Bizarre Inquiries #24 "UFO Day, Pentagon Disinformation, Fear & Loathing Adrenochrome, The Halo, & The Ghostly Intruder"

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Sorry inquiries with shame and orn.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
What is up, guys, and welcome to yet another exciting
installment of bizarre inquiries. I am the one that some
people refer to as Shane Squatch, and over here next
to me, I have the one the only, the big
bad who daddy himself, Sir Orrin Helis.

Speaker 3 (00:58):
I'm not sure how I feel about that one.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
I finally timed it right, See, I told her I
messed it up last week. I need to started a
little bit sooner so that it would fall in or
when I finished up, you just had the un daddy.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Yeah, that one was extra awkward.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
That was the point.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
See.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
So next week now I'll have to flip it up
now that I made that one land properly, and then
we'll just keep going along with the chain.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
A right, So that's either your best one or your
worst one yet, and I'm not quite sure which one
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
I'm gonna vote best one yet definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Well, Hey, we can let the listeners and the viewers
weigh in. Was that the best one or the worst one?
Do they like the super awkward ones or the super
naughty ones?

Speaker 2 (01:33):
Yeah, and you guys can tell me which way, you guys,
want to run with it, and I'll keep making more.
I'll just make sure we have a fresh one almost
every week. So old getting into some more topical stuff
and actually hopping right into the show today. Are you
familiar with what?

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Well?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, people listening this week later, but the people listening live,
are you familiar with what yesterday was?

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I am. I saw a lot about it on social media,
but uh, why don't you go ahead and share with
our listeners slash viewers.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
So for anybody that may not be familiar, yesterday was
World UFO Day, and for anybody that is not familiar
with that dat is it is a day meant for
bringing awareness to watching the skies for unidentified flying objects,
and apparently the date of observation is because of let's
see here. The day is celebrated by some on June
twenty fourth and others on July second, which is what

(02:19):
we were celebrating. June twenty fourth is the date that
reporter Kenneth Arnold wrote about what is generally considered to
be the first widely reported UFO in the United States,
while July second is the date of the supposed UFO
crash in nineteen forty seven, aka the Roswell incident. July
second was declared the official World UFO Day by the
World Ufo Day Organization. You know, totally fitting name, I guess,

(02:42):
and it is believed that it is believed that the
first World UFO Day was celebrated in two thousand and
one by UFO researcher hok tan ac dog Nah. That
got a weird name. It's hak t a n ak
dog an dog n okay And just to bring a
little bit more with this one. As far as the

(03:02):
purpose goes, the purpose is stated that on July second,
the celebration is to raise awareness of the undoubted bowl
existence of UFOs and to encouraging governments to declassify their
files on UFO sightings. World Ufo DA is celebrated by
stirring conversations about how and why humans are not the
only ones only beings in the universe. The WOOFTO World

(03:23):
Ufo Day Organization promotes various events and edudocational work workshops
with the ideas of getting people getting to know people. Yeah,
with the idea of getting people to know about UFOs.
Sorry everybody is a Wikipedia article. There of course are
some typos because it is typed by you know, average
people like us. But as far as your UFODA, man,

(03:43):
did you do anything exciting? Did you sit outside? Did
you watch the skies? Did you have any special sightings
or anything like that? Uh?

Speaker 3 (03:49):
No, I did not.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
You didn't even watch a UFO movie, nothing like that.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
No, So a little bit of background, you know, I've
talked a little bit on the show about the merger,
corporate takeover, whatever that's been going on at work. Well
on Tuesday, which I think would have no UFO Day
would have been Wednesday. But anyway, we did like an
email migration thing to try to get everybody on like

(04:15):
the same email platform and get everybody like on the
same software system. And my computer basically just shit the bed.
So I haven't had a computer in three days at work,
and they sent me a new one and like nobody
can get it up and running. So it's been not
a fun work week for me. So UFO Day kind
of just came and went in orn Felix's world this year.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Man, you should have used that time to watch Independence Day,
because I was listening to our big dumb out this
week and they mentioned the fact that Independence Day the
events they start on July second, and it inevitably ends
with the big battle on July fourth. So I mean,
are we possibly foreshadowing for something that could possibly happen
in the future, I mean, definitely possible.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, it's been an absolute disaster this week, so I
mean that would just be par for the course. But
back to the UFO Day thing. I mean, obviously, the
World UFO Day organization gets to do whatever they want
to since it's their day that they made up. But
I kind of like the idea of it being like
the day of the Kenneth Arnold siding. I think that
makes a lot more sense to me. But that's just
my two cents on it.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Hey, and I'm the flip side. I mean, the other
reason why supposedly it's celebrated on July second is because
of the events at Roswell, which leads in perfectly to
what our first topic is today. Hold on tight, guys,
bizarre increase. We'll be right back after this brief commercial
break in hour're back, and I'm sure it's one of

(05:44):
those things that well, second topic now, but I'm sure
it's one of those things that everybody has kind of
seen it a little bit as far as people talking
about in the community, but I do have a clip
on it to try to explain it, and I do
have the article itself, but it gives very minimal information.
But without further ado, let's first get into this clip
so that we can discuss the weirdness that's going on
with Roswell and the Pentagon.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
A Wall Street Journal report last week revealed the Pentagon
officials deliberately propagated UFFU miss, including those center around area
fifty one, to conceal classified programs such as the F
one one seven Nighthawk stealth aircraft during the Cold War.
This information efforts included fabrication. A Wall Street Journal report
last week revealed officials deliberately propagated uf FULL miss, including

(06:27):
those center around area fifty one, to conceal classified programs
such as the F one one seven Nighthawk stealth aircraft.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
During the Cold War.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
This information efforts included fabricating and distributing doctor UFO photos,
conducting internal hazing rituals a low level a military personnel.
These campaigns misled both the public and many within the military,
leading to some officers believing the myths for a decade.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
A Wall Street Journal fucking goddamn fucking So I brought
the article up, and of course, like most of these articles,
it's one of those ones that you have to pay
to be able to see the full rest of the article,
and they give you about a paragraph and a half.
But as far as at least watching the video throwing
in some ideas on this, what's your idea on this one?

Speaker 6 (07:06):
Orn?

Speaker 3 (07:07):
Oh, you know I've said on the show, you know,
repeatedly at this point. I think obviously that we have
been visited by true defoil extraterrestrials. I think they have
interfered in you know, human history repeatedly, but I think
those events are kind of few and far between. And

(07:28):
I think most of the current day kind of UFO
sightings and whatnot, a lot of them can be chalked
up to misidentification, whether that be you know, natural phenomenon
or just normal aircraft. And I think a lot of
it probably is this experimental government stuff that's going on. So,

(07:50):
I mean, this falls right in line with kind of
where I currently stand on like the whole UFO phenomenon.
And I mean, like we've talked about on the show
a lot, what better way to kind of be able
to test this shit under the radar than if you're
kind of, you know, doctoring up all these UFO stories
and now with you know, the whole disclosure stuff going on,

(08:11):
it just kind of makes you wonder, like, what are
they really doing here and what is this a smoke
screen for? So yeah, not to ramble on too much,
but I think this is absolutely par for the course,
and I'm kind of with at one honestly.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
See, I could go multiple ways on this. Of course,
everybody that's been listening to Bizarre en Counters for a
while knows that I somewhat recently did that episode talking
about these connections with the possible human intervention when it
comes to the whole UFO abduction phenomenon. So I definitely
bring that into it being a huge portion of the
phenomenon that whether there's something that happens and they fly
under the radar and they kind of use it as

(08:47):
an opportunity to test things or even to be able
to experiment on people. So I don't put that out
of the line of question. But on the other flip side,
the roswell events, they just I could see why that
would be the one that they would blow up to
try to make a facade for multiple things. But like
I said, there's a couple different ways I can go
with this one. Either one. The weirdknit part to me
is if you are admitting that you have some type

(09:08):
of advanced aircraft, this almost kind of seems like you're
almost like giving away your cards before you're intending to
do it. Like that part of it doesn't make sense
to me. It's either one, if you're showing that this
happened in the past, then obviously other governments now know
that you have stuff that's significantly more advanced than that.
So I mean, the possibility is either one, you know,
you're trying to be like, oh, look how tough we
are without actually having to do anything, or on the

(09:29):
flip side, you're trying to pretend like this was actually you,
so that people have a fear of you. But on
the flip side of that, you do that everybody thinks
you're way more advanced than you actually are, and then
you start the race for everybody else. So it's like,
you know, if you don't actually have this technology, then
everybody else is now going to be racing to try
to catch up to where you are. Supposedly with this advancement, technology,

(09:51):
and on the other flip side talking about the whole
thing with like whistleblowers and disclosure. I mean, I was
kind of wondering if this is partially a smokescreen for that,
because obviously there's been this back and forth between these
secret organizations and you know, Congress trying to get information
out on this stuff. So you know, most of the
people they come up and they start talking about this
stuff are like whistleblowers that they have kind of like
scattered information on things. So if you create something like

(10:13):
this where you say that, oh, we literally spent years
hazing people making him think this stuff was real, putting
fake stuff out here, are you trying to make it
so that you can essentially discourage any whistleblower in the
future unless they have something solid to show in front
of you. And even if they do, I mean, you
could definitely flip that and say, oh, that's a piece
of our technology. So, like, are they using this as
an opportunity to try to shut down the ability for

(10:36):
whistleblowers to get out information that they don't want out yet,
because now it's just another way that it seems like
they might be able to control the narrative on this stuff,
but I know everybody keeps talking about the possibility of them,
like you know, saying, oh, yeah, this is our advanced technology.
But like I said, I think that's going to start
a whole race. So that doesn't seem like a logical
psyop to try to do to me at least.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
Well, I mean, I guess it could be one of
those situations where all the you know, kind of more
advanced nations, everybody knows they've got this stuff, you know.
I mean, it could be that we're not in as
much of a competition with this advanced technology as they
would want us to believe. Number one, but number two,

(11:17):
what my kind of rebuttal to everything you said would
be not rebuttal, that's not the right word. Just another
point is, you know, more than one thing can be
true at one time, and I think this is a
perfect situation to kind of highlight what we talked about
on the show as well, where with these kind of
weird UFO flaps or creature sightings or basically anything bizarre

(11:42):
even we talked about on our recent spring Hill Jack episode.
But you know, when these weird things happen, the first
you know, few initial whatever reports or sightings of something
could be a legitimate paranormal, weird alien whatever thing, and
then you know, governments, individuals, whatever, kind of piggyback off

(12:03):
of that to do their own testing of advanced technology
or to you know, terrorize Victorian England or whatever they
want to do for their own purposes, kind of piggybacking
off of these legitimate, strange things that happen. And I
think this is one of those situations where that could
be true. I mean, what better opportunity than once there

(12:27):
is like a legitimate UFO siding to go and test
these advanced aircrafts and it kind of just flies under
the radar. And I'm sure a lot of this stuff
that's coming up now is you know, I'm sure there's
enough smoke that there is legitimate fire to it, and
I'm sure a lot of it is just you know,
them hazing people and kind of making fun of, you know,

(12:47):
the weirdos who believe this stuff. So yeah, I mean
I kind of rambled on there a little bit, but
I think this is one of those situations where more
than one thing can be true at one time, and
I think, you know, it would be kind of narrow
minded for us to think that there's only one answer
to a mystery this big, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
I mean, it could definitely bring some validity to the
whole aspect of Jack Parsons, for example, supposedly having some interference.
As far as Roswell goes, like, maybe it's possible that
this was partially his technology, and I mean getting into
the whole like controlled narrative thing. You know, everybody obviously
the main focal points when it comes to this stuff,
for anybody it's just getting into it is like Roswell
and Area fifty one. So obviously for everybody it's been

(13:29):
deep you kind of get the idea that maybe there
was something happening at Area fifty one, but now it's
mainly just like a facade that everybody's looking over here
while stuff's going on over there. I mean, Roswell could
essentially be the same thing. I mean, either one, you know,
it was some type of alien technology and they're just
trying to control the narrative on it and just say
that it was us the whole time and be able
to keep everybody's focal point over here, or I mean

(13:51):
even the other possibility. And this could definitely go both
ways when it comes to like releasing information and starting
to disclose information. You know, it seems like it's usually
like that seventy year rule or so, and of course
there's usually small extensions on that, but for the most part,
before documents have to start coming out, it's usually around
seventy years and Roswell is about seventy seven years ago now.

(14:13):
So either one, are they trying to control the narrative
on it so that if documents start to come out,
people just don't even care to look at it. Or
on the flip side, are they releasing this information on
their own so that if these documents come out and
people start looking into them, they don't start saying, like, oh,
why have you been hiding hiding this from us forever?

(14:34):
Like they can at least say that, oh, we admitted
to it before the documents came out.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah. I mean, again, plausible deniability, but I kind of
feel like Roswell to me has a high probability of
being like a legitimate extraterrestrial event just for the fact
that you know, how many people that were involved in
Roswell and the aftermath went on to like just miraculously

(14:59):
create the this technology or be involved in these you know,
burgeoning technological fields, like what are some of Like the
guy who created fiber Arctic cable is like somehow connected
to Roswell, And like the person who created like uh
teflon that like bulletproof vests are made out, I think

(15:21):
like that guy has some connection to Roswell. So all
that being said, I feel like Roswell probably is one
of the more legitimate sightings that we have out there.
But I mean, at the same time, any piece of
information that we're seeing, especially nowadays, I mean back in
you know, the forties, it's one thing, but like any

(15:42):
news story we're seeing now is a controlled narrative that
we're supposed to quote unquote to be seeing, you know,
just to throw out a ridiculous theory, because you know,
he gotta have fun with that at least a little bit,
you know, talking about the whole like portals time rift
thing is gonna sound really really weird. But what if
back in the day, you know, they're looking at this
as like a UFO event, like holy shit, something just

(16:02):
came out of the sky and it fucking crashed. But
now having a different perspective on shit, like what if
this is something we're messing with with like recent technology
that you know, we get into this whole idea about
opening up rifts and like wormholes and stargates, Like what
if this was a recent thing that it was our
technology from like the year twenty twenty two that we
accidentally fucking went through like a stargate. It got destroyed
in the past, so that was forever something that existed

(16:25):
in the past, and then around twenty twenty two they're
just like, yeah, this this was us. I mean that
kind of falls right in line with like the whole
ultra terrestrial time traveler, you know, theory on what extraterrestrials
and UFOs are. So I mean that's it's kind of
wild when you say it on surface level, but it's like.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
A Philadelphia experiment except it got destroyed.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, exactly. It's not like those are theories that aren't
you know, beating around in the UFO community. So I mean,
I think it's just as likely as anything else, honestly.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
And I guess before we move on to the next one,
because I don't want to beat this one too much, because,
like I said, I know people have been talking about
it for the past month or so, but I wanted
to be able to throw in our ideas on it
more than just kind of in the background of the show.
But do you have any other ideas or thoughts on
this one before we move on to the next topic.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Man, No, I think I'm good on this one. Man.
All right, y'all, time for another commercial break.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
And now back to letting your mind wonder. All right,
So the next topic is from Orace. So however you
want to present it, man, I'll pass it over to you,
all right.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
So, like I said prior to filming, I do have
a video that I included, but that's kind of an
additional supplemental thing. We'll address that at the end if
you want to and if we have time. But anyway,
I know that you, like myself, Shane, are a big
fan of Hunter S. Thompson and I.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Got actually one of the books right here.

Speaker 3 (17:54):
We're going to address it. But so I recently reread
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. This was like the
third time i'd read it.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
Fantastic book. By the way, For anybody that's seen the
movie and hasn't read the book, you're missing out on
a lot of fucking awesome details like they do just
in the movie. But they leave out a lot of portions.
So if you loved Fear and Loathing, got to go
read that book. That's why we're gonna even better than
the movie.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Read from the book. But anyway, I hadn't read it
in many years. It's probably been like eight or ten
years since I read it. And there's a passage in
here that didn't mean anything to me the last time
I read it, and it kind of fucking floored me
this time.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
So I'm excited for this because I just reread this
book about two months ago, and I think you probably
know what you're talking about because I read that and
I was just like what.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Yeah, So for anybody out there that doesn't know, Fear
and Loathing in Las Vegas is a book that was
written in nineteen seventy one. It was written by Hunter S. Thompson,
who was like this writer slash journalist. He was a
prominent figure in like the sixties counterculture movement. He wrote
a whole lot for like Rolling Stone and magazines of

(19:03):
the day, but he's obviously best known for this book,
and most people are probably familiar with him, or at
least like the image of him because of the nineteen
ninety eight movie with Johnny Depp. So I'm going to
read just the synopsis of the book from the back cover,
and I've got the fiftieth anniversary edition. Here.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
A little fun fact I want to throw in real
quick too, for anybody that's watched the movie, if you
want some additional interesting stuff to dive into, look up
Oscar Zeta Acosta because doctor Gonzo. That's you know throughout
the movie that they never actually mentioned his name. There's
a whole long backstory to it that maybe we can
get into on a future episode and why the name's
not featured. But it's actually Oscar Zeta a Costa and
he has a crazy story just as crazy as Hunter S. Thompson's.

(19:43):
That connects in with one of the other great Hunter S.
Thompson movies, where the Buffalo's From.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
Yes, actually I like that movie better than the Johnny
Depp Fear and Loathing.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
But fucking Bill Murray is Like I mean, Johnny Depp
plays a pretty damn good Hunter as Thompson, but like
Bill Murray has the personality like they hung out anyways,
it was perfect. Yeah, Like I wish there was more
with Bill Murray playing Hunter S. Thompson man well.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Like not as many people know about that movie, but
I think, you know, I've read a lot of Hunter S. Thompson,
and I think it's like a more accurate depiction personally.
But anyway, I'm gonna read.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
The fun fact two. I actually have that movie. Oh no,
it was very hard to find, but I have it.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
Yeah. Oh, you're going to visit okay, all right? Yeah,
So Jenny, I hadn't told her what we were talking
about with this, so she is sitting on the couch
right now. But anyway, old co host filling it like
the old disc absolutely, all right, So I'm gonna read
the kind of synopsis on the back of the book
before we jump in, just for people who might not
be familiar, all right. First published and Rolling Stone Magazine

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in nineteen seventy one, this cult classic of gonzo journalism
is the best chronicle of drug soaked, adult brained, rollicking
good times ever committed to the printed page. It is
also the tale of a long weekend road tree that
has gone down in the annals of American comp culture
as one of the strangest journeys ever undertaken. The writer's

(21:08):
account of an assignment he undertook with his attorney which
you're just talking about, to visit Las Vegas and quote
check it out. The book stands as the final word
on the highs and lows of the nineteen sixties, one
of the defining works of our time, and a stylistic
and journalistic toward a force. All Right, So jumping in.
The passage I'm going to read is from part two

(21:30):
of the book. It's chapter five and page one thirty
in my edition again just the current fiftieth anniversary edition
that they're selling. Just a little background at this point
in the book, rul Duke, which is the kind of
Hunter S. Thompson's stand in character. He gets back to
their hotel room and his attorney, doctor Gonzo, who you're

(21:52):
just talking about, is already there with an underage girl.
And basically the story is that he met this girl
at the airport and drugged her and pretty much kidnapped her.
And it's heavily insinuated that he raped her and she's
now in the hotel room and they're trying to figure
out what to do with her. Drag her to a

(22:15):
Vegas hotel room and then savagely penetrated every orifice her
little body with his throbbing, uncircumcised number. There you go,
so jumping in again. This is page one thirty. As
your attorney, he said, I advise you not worry. He
nodded toward the bathroom. Take a hit out of that

(22:37):
little brown bottle in my shaving kit.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
What is it?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Adrenochrome? He said, you won't need much, just a little
tiny taste. I got the bottle and dipped the head
excuse me, dipped the head of a paper match into it.
That's about right. He said. That stuff makes pure mescal
and seem like ginger beer. You'll go completely crazy if
you take too much. I licked the end of the match.
Where'd you get this? I asked, You can't buy it?

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Never mind? He said, it's absolutely pure. I shook my
head sadly. Jesus, what kind of monster client have you
picked up this time? There's only one source for this stuff,
he nodded, the adrenal glands from a living human body.
I said, it's no good if you get it from
a corpse. I know, he replied, but the guy didn't
have any cash. He's one of these Satanism freaks. He

(23:23):
offered me human blood. Said it would make me higher.
Than I'd ever been in my life, he laughed. I
thought he was kidding, So I told him I'd just
as soon have an ounce of an ounce, or so
excuse me, of pure adrenochrome, or maybe just a fresh
adrenal gland to chew on. I could already feel the
stuff working on me. The first wave felt like a

(23:43):
combination of mescaline and methadine. Maybe I should take a swim,
I thought, Yeah. My attorney was saying, they nailed this
guy for child molesting, but he swears he didn't do it.
Why would I fuck with children? He says, they're too small?
He shrugged. Christ, what could I say? Even a goddamn
a wolf is entitled to a legal counsel. I didn't
dare turn the creep down. He might have picked up

(24:05):
a letter opener and gone for my penial gland. And
I could go on, but that's basically the gist of it. So,
since I've kind of been rambling on, and you recently
said you read the book as well, what are your
thoughts on this passage?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Dude? It's one of those things that Hunter s Thompson.
I mean, everybody kind of has their ideas on him,
but you know, there's like a lot of conspiracies that
kind of wrap around with him, and he was always
about this like true freedom movement and trying to bring
awareness to what was going on behind the scenes. So
I always took this as Hunter S. Thompson trying to
bring awareness and doing dreaochrome without giving up too much,

(24:41):
because he seems like he was with all the people
he was hanging out with, like he was too involved
in it to be able to just come out and
be like, these motherfuckers are doing this shit and taking adrenochrome. Yeah,
he had to kind of play it in with his
already perceived persona to be able to try to play
it off like he's been known as like the psychedelic
drug guy, so he tries to like interpret it through
that by still giving out the information because he was,

(25:03):
you know, for as much of like a drughead as
everybody thought he was, Like, he was a fantastic writer
and very strategic with his words and the way that
he presented and said things. So I think that the
way he said it was exactly how he intended to
say it, But it seems like it's he's trying not
to give out too much information, but also just trying
to make people aware of it, because if I'm not mistaken,
I think this is one of the first references to

(25:24):
adrenochrome in the Hollywood scene of things. Through the movie
and through the book, I believe it's like one of
the first main references of adrenochrome.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
Yeah, and I'm basically with you one hundred percent. I mean,
the book was written in nineteen seventy one. That's a
long time ago at this point. So all these people
that are talking about you know nowadays, Oh it's just
a conspiracy theory and only you know, a new World
order fearing nut jobs think this thing is real. Well, no,
they're writing about it in a book from nineteen seventy one.

(25:52):
So I mean, I think you're absolutely correct. I think
this is kind of his way of disclosing this real
thing that was going on even back then. And like
you said, with him, you know, being a journalist for
Rolling Stone and prominently involved in like the you know,
drug hippie counterculture movement, it makes sense that he would

(26:13):
cross paths with a lot of people who probably you know,
were into this sort of thing. So yeah, I mean,
I think you're absolutely correct. This is his way of
bringing awareness to something that in nineteen seventy one he
thought was a problem. So I mean, how much worse
theoretically could this be now, you know?

Speaker 2 (26:33):
And I mean just to bring in some other connections
as I mentioned with oscar Isaida Coosa, and we could
probably do a whole episode going into his whole backstory
or even talking about the conspiracy based around his death,
but just diving into some of the connections with him.
I mean, he was also a prevalent activist in California.
His whole thing was that he spoke up for the
Latinos and all of like the Spanish and Mexican people
and everything like that. He was obviously like very active active.

(26:58):
Being an activist was a lot different than then, Like
they were like violent, they tried to get their points across.
So he got involved in a lot of like weird
stuff all on his own. And part of the weird
conspiracy around his death was that he supposedly got involved
with these with some people in South America. They were
you know, drug muling drugs back and forth and everything.
And part of the whole mystery around his death was
that there's a lot of people that believe that the

(27:19):
CIA took out Oscar Zeta Coasta, so connecting with that
that Oscar Zeta Coasta definitely has some type of connections
with people that the CIA are interested in him, and
also diving into the type of people that are into Adrenochrome,
connecting in with government officials, the CIA, all of this
type of shit, I mean part of the conspiracy around it.
I mean, part of the reason why the CIA may

(27:39):
have taken out Oscar Zeta Coasta may have been because
maybe he had some connections to Adrenochrome and maybe he
was talking too much giving it out to people because
he was from the interpretations that I've got, he was
definitely like a loud mouthed type of individuals. So I
mean it's there like they're connected, they're being watched, so
it's like he one had to be strategic about the
way he moved. And on the flip side, you know,

(28:01):
maybe Oscar Zeeda Cosa wasn't that strategic. Maybe he was
trying to get some of this information out and CIA
inevitably just took him out and made it look like
he was this criminal mastermind, which that may not have
even been the case because as we see the narratives
get flipped on a lot of things. And Hunter S.
Thompson throughout his life, they had a whole fallout after
this book came out. That's the reason why his name

(28:21):
isn't mentioned in it. So he disappeared for a while,
and then he came back, and then that's when where
the Buffalo Rooms kind of takes place. So it's like
he's been bouncing back and forth. The connections are there, man, Like,
I don't know, man, I feel like the Adriner Crumb
could have played a part in like I said, the
whole possible Cia taken out Oscar Zeta Coasta in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
Yeah, and again, it's been probably eight or ten years
since I had last read this book, and I didn't realize.
I guess maybe it's just looking at it with older
eyes or you know, modern day eyes. But as much
of a wild man as like the Hunter S. Thompson
character is portrayed as in this book, like Oscar is crazy,

(29:02):
like it's there's some things that are just like insane
to read back now. And yes, I'm sure this is
not one hundred percent what they did, what happened. I'm
sure it's everything you know, embellished and turned up to eleven.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
But Oscar z Ada Cosa's wife did just leave him
and he lost his family before the events happened. So
I mean, this guy was already like he was already
planning on basically offering himself and he ended up going
on this adventure with Hunter S. Thompson. So I mean,
he was already like full board, going fucking ham regardless,
because he didn't care about his life at this point.

(29:35):
That's why, you know, there's probably the whole thing with
Lucy's because this guy really didn't give a shit what
happened to him tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
Yeah, But what I was gonna say is, you know,
like he's presented in such a bad light in this
book that like that leads me to believe that there's
some credence to it, Like why would you present somebody
in that negative like basically drugging and raping this underage girl, Like,
I don't know, it doesn't add anything to the story really,

(30:03):
you know, it's not like this funny thing that happened.
It's not even presented as like this funny thing. So
it's just the whole part of the book, Like part
one of the book is what everybody thinks about when
they think about fear and loathing. You know, it's we
can't stop here. This is backcountry and you know, the
lizards and all that.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Part two, the Gulf Shoes.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Yeah, Part two takes a really hard dark turn. And
this is pretty early on in part two. So I mean,
this whole encounter, I feel like it's too oddly specific
for it not to be largely based in fact.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
And I will have to point out the fact that,
as you mentioned, the book got kind of dark after
this point. And this was obviously Oscar Zada Costa disappeared
for a while, and then he came back, and he
obviously had this Adrina girl, and he had this younger girl.
You know, reading between the lines, maybe there's a connection
with that. Maybe the reason he had the little girl
in the first place was because he was getting involved
in this group and they were trying to see if

(31:04):
he was capable of extracting adrenochrome fromber possibly because the
continuation past that is that, you know, Hunter s Thompson
basically points out, like, what's your plan here? What are
you planning on doing? He's like, are we just going
to open up this door? And it was during a
police convention where you're talking about drugs and everything. So
he makes a reference saying, what are we just going
to open up the door and let all these taboo
motherfuckers just go to town on her and then we
can eventually just walk out and it's not our responsibility anymore.

(31:27):
And Oscar's like, no, we can't do that to her.
We can't do that to her. We can't do that
to her. So quickly he obviously feels remorse for this,
so they end up dropping her off at a bus station.
They try to end up getting her back home, and
then soon after that that's when Oscar disappears again. So
again reading between the lines like could that little girl
have been also a connection with this adrenochrome idea? He
wasn't able to do it, so then he knew these

(31:47):
people are going to come after him, so he disappeared again.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
Well, if I'm not mistaken, like the book presents, you know,
the first part is where they're like covering the mint
four hundred or whatever the motorcycle, right, and the second
part is when they're at the drug convention. It presents
it as like one long trip in the book. But
if I'm not mistaken it was two separate trips in
real life. I'm not sure the time period between the

(32:12):
two trips, but yeah, uh, in light of that, it
makes a lot of sense that, you know, the first
half is much more lighthearted and you know, we're just
having this drug romp in Las Vegas, and then the
second part gets real fucking dark and real fucking weird
because Oscar probably got into some weird shit between you know,
the real time when part one happened and when part

(32:33):
two happened.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. I feel like there's
probably a lot more stuff in Hunter S. Thompson books
if you really start like looking into it, Like I know,
he has some more like obscure books, so I'm kind
of curious, like if you might be able to find
more details, Like I'm almost kind of tempted to go
back over, like I don't think it's actually called Where
the Buffalo's Run for the book itself, but that whole story,

(32:56):
because I think that that was just like multiple short
stories he wrote and eventually got put together. But yeah,
I kind of want to dive back through that and
see if we end up finding any other connections of
this stuff, because I feel like the whole adrenochrome aspect
is probably connected to Oscar more than it is or Gonzo.
So even diving into some of his books, because I
know that he wrote a book directly after Fear and

(33:17):
Loathing came out, So there might even be some details
in Oscar's book that didn't end up becoming very popular
talking about this whole like adrenochrome thing, because right after
the book again is when he disappeared went down to
South America. So I mean, maybe he knew that there were
some details in the book that people are going to
come after him for.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I mean, yeah, and as involved as Hunter was with
like the whole political spectrum and everything, No, it just
makes perfect sense. And like you said, obviously this passage
meant nothing to me the last time I read it,
and this time it like just fucking floored me. So yeah,
it would definitely be interesting to go back and read
some other stuff of his and see what else might

(33:53):
be hidden in there.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
So I'm kind of curious if there's also maybe some
more stuff in Fear and Loathing on the campaign, because
that's the one that comes after and acts like he
gets a meeting with Nixon and he's told he can
only ask him football questions. Yeah, so he's like sitting
in the car just asking Nixon football questions. But the
whole book is basically him following, like, you know, politicians

(34:16):
as they're going around in the campaign trails. So I mean,
there might even be some little finite details within that
book too, especially since it came right after pair.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
Well, and there's one I used to have it. I
you know, got rid of a lot of books not
so long ago, and I got rid of this one.
But there's one book. You know, He's got like several collections,
like the Gonzo Papers, volume one, two, three, whatever, and
one of them, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, one
of the later ones, he like was following Bill Clinton

(34:46):
on the campaign trail at some point. So that would
probably be like fucking wild to go back and read
that one at this point. But yeah, this might have
to be something we readdress in future episodes, like a
hunter s Thompson talks about or whistleblows conspiracy theories. How
about that, dude.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
I want to see if he makes any references to
like pizza or anything like that. And the one where
he's going after Clinton or following Clinton around, Like, now
that we know the terminology, dude, I want to just
read over that and see if there's any of this
like frazle drip pizza, like any of those terminologies in
that book, dude, because that's some shit that reading it
back in the day, you would have just passed right over.
Now with more information, like, I feel like contrast, Thompson

(35:24):
was a smart enough writer that he may have left
stuff that wasn't intended to be found until after his death.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Yeah, and like he was very meticulous with his words,
Like everything was basically just stream of consciousness, very little editing.
So whatever he said is like what probably actually fucking happened,
you know.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
So you just try to play it off like he
was making up stories, but it's just because he didn't
want to get arrested for all the crazy shit.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
Yes, plausible deniability. That's the theme of today's show. This
is a semi auto biographical and for all you listeners
and not viewers, I'm doing so many finger quotation marks
right now. But yeah, so it not me.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It's not about Hunter, it's about Duke.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, exactly. But no, I've rambled on long enough about this.
I think I don't feel like we need to watch
the video. It's just a YouTube video of the scene
in the book or in the scene in the movie
that we read about in the book. The book gives
a lot more information, so I mean, maybe we can
link that, but it's like a four or five minute clip,
and I think we kind of hit all the high notes.

(36:28):
So I mean, we can watch it if you want to,
but I don't feel it's one hundred percent necessary.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, I'll just throw it in in the show description.
If anybody wants to go and check it out, it
is available down there. You guys can go and check
it out. If you haven't seen the whole movie. I
recommend watching the whole movie. So definitely do that, because
every time anybody asks me my favorite movie, that's usually
what I end up telling them. So I definitely recommend
the whole movie. But if you guys just want to
see that clip, go and check it out. Check it
out in the so description and moving on to the

(36:53):
next time, my friend hold on tight, guys, bizarre increase.
We'll be right back after this brief commercial break.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
In hour' back.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
All right, So for this one, I couldn't find a
good solid video that fully explained the concept that I
was trying to explain here. So I got a small
news article on it. I have another short news article
on it. Altogether, they're about a minute and a half,
and then I have the actual website on this. But
I guess I will present this and then get your
thoughts on it, and then we will kind of go
from there.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Huh sounds good.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
A new tech startup wants to control your dreams. So
pair of twenty somethings co founded Prophetic in March, and
the prototype is billed as the world's first wearable device
for stabilizing lucid dreams. The headband like device issues ultrasound
signals to the brand to stimulate the user's prefrontal cortexes
while dreaming. The founders planned to showcase a prototype either

(37:49):
later this month or early November.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
All right, and then the second clip on this one
that explains a little bit more of the dynamics of
this thing.

Speaker 6 (38:02):
Recent developments in artificial intelligence have stirred a whirlwind of
excitement and caution. AI startup Prophetic leads the pack, claiming
a revolutionary halo headband device. Lucid dreaming has fascinated humans
for centuries, since it refers to those unique dreams where
the dreamer is not only aware they're dreaming, but can also,
to varying extents, control the dream narrative. This mysterious phenomenon

(38:27):
happens during rim sleep and is associated with the prefrontal
cortex of our brain. Hence, Prophetics Halo aims to target
is very region. While the potential of harnessing lucid dreams
to answer life's big questions sounds appealing, there is no
k qua lucid dreams. As prophetic admits are primarily spontaneous,

(38:47):
the unpredictability of triggering these dreams externally may introduce unforeseen consequences,
possibly overshadowing the significant advancements the company hopes to achieve.
In addition, Goddamn socvoting that while Prophetics Venture has garnered
substantial funding and partnerships, including with Card seventy nine, a
collaborator of Ilin Musk's Neuralink, the real world application remains theoretical.

(39:12):
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Speaker 1 (39:16):
What the heck I shall have you tried for witchcraft.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
And Bird of the State.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
You fucking goddamn fucker.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
So getting your initial thoughts on this, I mean, what's
your idea on this one? And I do have the
website up so we can actually look at the actual
website as we're talking about this. Oh, so I'll bring
that up as you throw your idea.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
First off, I mean, if they're in bed with Elon
and Neurolink, what could possibly go wrong? But kind of
the note that I jotted down while we were watching
the videos is to me, this is, you know, again,
something we talk about on the show all the time,
this idea of magic versus technology. And isn't this basically

(39:53):
just technology trying to harness things that in you know,
year century decades past would have been considered you know,
magic or witchcraft or something like that. So you know,
this is just a theme we talk about on the
show all the time. A lot of the shit we're
quote unquote discovering now we're not discovering, we're rediscovering, and

(40:15):
we're just looking at things through a technological lens rather
than the lens of gods or magic or witchcraft or
whatever else you want to put on it. But that
was my initial gut reaction to this is we're just
fucking you know, playing god with technology here.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
I mean, my biggest thing with this one is Okay,
so you can stimulate these astral experiences, but on the
other flip side, what other experiences might you be able
to stimulate? Such as would you be able to put
dreams into people's heads? You be able to put people?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
Can they beam shit into your head with? I mean,
the neuro link connection doesn't make me feel any better
about that. So have you uh?

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Are you? Were you a fan of future amoh who
was running back in the day?

Speaker 3 (41:00):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
No. Okay, So there's an episode of Futurama where USh
Fry goes to sleep and in his dreams he keeps
dreaming about this underwear and he's just like, what the hell,
what the hell? So he wakes up and he's just like,
I keep having dreams about this underwear. This is so weird.
And everybody in the future is like, yeah, they do
advertisements in our dreams, Like you didn't know that. He's
just like, what do you mean they do advertisements in
our dreams like that? Ideally, would be my biggest fear

(41:23):
on this thing would be just subconscious advertising shit, because.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
Even beyond the malicious shit in this, if they're just
trying to get you to buy underwear, I mean, that
seems like the way less nefarious route that they're going
to go with this. And if we know anything about
you know, these people in power, they're going to go
the nefarious route.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
I mean, even that is a nefarious all on its own,
because you talk about this whole idea about you know,
the whole idea of modern slavery, and it's a matter
of being like a dead slave. So if you're literally
telling people, oh, yeah, we can stimulate your actual dreams,
you can get more spiritual blah blah blah, blah blah,
and then in the background of this, you're running like,
oh yeah, worry about your house, worry about this, worry
about that, worry about this, worry about that. Then you

(42:03):
could start like instilling fear in people without them even
realizing what you're doing. Like I mean, they're already doing
this kind of stuff with TV. So once we've breaken
away from the aspect of like mainstream news, and people
aren't you know, living in that fear state because of
mainstream news anymore, They're gonna have to gravitate to something else.
So I mean, if again, if you're able to like
simulate dreams, Like how hard is it to bring in
some type of like weird dream interpretation that somehow, you know,

(42:27):
connects with something that's going on with current events. So
now you're scared of this current event that's happening because
you've had this subconscious dream about it and you don't
know why you're so scared about it. But that's my
whole thing, is like the subconscious aspect of this stuff,
because you know, you already know that they're messing with
you when you're fully awake and you're aware, But when
you're asleep and you have somebody whispering into your subconscious
like who knows what? What? What could that that could

(42:49):
potentially be capable of doing? You know, like I'm sure
that there's already experiments running on this, but when this
becomes something mass produced that you could do to generally anybody,
like even getting into like weird saaah man yea where
they have these uh I think we're talking about it.
Someone on a recent episode talking about like having profiles
on people. You know, they have a profile on the
type of things you look up on the internet, the

(43:10):
type of things that you're into. They notice that, you know,
you look up this weird thing. So they're trying to
have this event that happens. So they start using this
thing to try to like lay down some base information
so that they have more of these like sleeper agents
without them being aware that they're sleeper agents. Because you know,
I always talk about this idea that the whole concept
of sleeper agents that people has is that you know,
they take this military guide, they start playing these flashing

(43:31):
screens in front of them, like they start messing with
his mind when they have them in their hands. But
what happens when you have the ability to wake up
a sleeper agent that was never an agent and you've
trained them subconsciously through dreams and now you have no
real connection to them because it's really easy to delete
an electronic trail, especially if you're the government. So I mean,
like I said, all the malicious possibilities, like for as

(43:52):
cool as the technology is getting, for as entertaining as
it would be to try some of this stuff out,
you know, I feel like all it takes is one
time and then they got So it's like, you know,
just you have to be aware of this shit and
the other possibilities that this could go into and just
technology in general. Man, Like, it's only a matter of
time before people figure out how to hack things. That's
why most advancements happen with technology. So like anything you're

(44:14):
using on your subconscious or even the neurallink, Like, how
long is it before somebody is able to hack it
and then they put some type of like ransom on
it or something that you know, you can't move your
arm for example if you're using the neural link unless
you pay this amount of money or something like that. Like,
not even the companies themselves, but just people in general.
Figuring out how to hack things is another huge fear
when it comes to this stuff.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Yeah, I mean it's a tale as old as time.
At this point, you know, people are going to just
gung ho jump on board with all this stuff because
I think it's cool or you know, mix their lives
better or more convenient or easier, without really analyzing the
true cost and possible repercussions of all this sort of thing.

(44:59):
I mean, just something as simple as oh, my Apple
watch will tell me how I slept last night? Like, motherfucker,
were you sleepy when you woke up? Do you not
know how you slept last night. Oh well, it tells
me the weather outside. Look out the damn window. Like
all of this is presented as you know, these things
that make your life easier and better. But you know,

(45:21):
at the end of the day, like you said, best
case scenario, this is all data mining and worst case scenario.
It's way fucking more nefarious than that. I mean, something
as simple as uh, I can't say it because I'm
sitting out in the living room, but like the robot
lady that we have that lives in our house that
we can give commands to, like you know, damn while

(45:41):
that motherfucker's listening to you, and but it's so great
we can just ask it to play any song. Yeah,
but now Jeff Bezos knows everything about us, and now
Amazon's selling groceries for super cheap, So now Jeff Bezos
is controlling our food supply. So what can possibly go wrong?

Speaker 2 (45:58):
I mean, even with this whole thing too, just like
the matter of I talk about this all the time
on the show, and I the whole idea that with
a lot of this technology advancement, like I think that
there's two ways to get to something like you can
either find the natural way of doing these things, or
you can find the tech way, and it seems like
humans generally take the tech way, and in turn we
start losing that connection with the natural way to be

(46:19):
able to do this. So, you know, people, obviously there's
a lot of work that goes into being able to
have astral dreams, to be able to have lucid dreams,
like people know how to do this from a natural perspective.
So we're essentially creating a tech shortcut that makes it
so that that isn't relevant anymore. Like people need to
realize that a lot of this stuff that we're doing
with technology, again, there's natural ways of doing it, Like

(46:41):
you were mentioning with the weather outside, you know, like
animals can sense the weather. I've guarantee we had that ability.
But because we've gotten to the fact that, all right,
this is the guy we ask about the weather, and
now we ask our watch about the weather one hundred
and two hundred years later, now we have no connection
to it where we're not like, oh, you know, my
knees are starting her it's going to rain outside. So
it's just like you would rather take the shortcut then

(47:01):
just figure out how to do it without the shortcut,
and in turn, with that shortcut, like with most things,
you know, there is usually something malicious that comes with
the shortcut, and with a shortcut, you're not gonna get
the full experience to begin with.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Well, and something that popped into my head while you
were just talking about that is, you know, this idea
of like Appalachian folk magic and you know, stuff that's
still practiced in these like really remote rural areas of
fucking America. We're not talking about you know, third world country.
Well we're not a third world country yet to be determined,
but yeah, this idea, like you said that, you know,

(47:36):
we get more comfortable and we get more removed from
you know, nature in the real world and real experiences
and all this is augmented by technology and innovation and whatever.
But you know, there are people still in this country
that are much more in tune to that sort of thing.
And like you said about you know, astral projecting or

(47:57):
anything like that. Yes, there is a long documented history
of human beings being able to do things like this
and being more in tune with things like this. But again,
like you said, this just opens the door for hijacking.
And we're just talking about like humans and you know,

(48:18):
government entities and corporations hijacking this stuff. That's not even
getting into like more out there theories as far as
you know, like Pastobs, who we talk about a lot
on the show. You know, his idea is about like
nephilim demons being able to like inhabit bodies, and you

(48:38):
know that's like what the mark of the beast is
and like all this like new technology type stuff. So
I mean, depending on how deep down the rabbit hole
you want to get, this stuff can get really dark
really quick.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
Dude, and talk about some other weird like like it's
almost like they're trying to hide it in broad daylight.
Like first of all, they call this thing the halo,
which obviously gears towards the more positive side of religion
prophetic same thing, prophetic dreams. You know, they're trying to
gear it like it's something that's good, but it clearly
feels like something bad, Like there's something weird to it.
Like this image that I'm seeing right here reminds me

(49:13):
of like the Crown of Thorns more than it reminds
me of like a halo or something like that. So
I mean, getting into like the whole weird aspect of stuff.
You know, if you had the ability to stimulate whatever
it is that causes lucid dreaming, would it be far
out there theory to think that you might be able
to stimulate somebody's mind enough that they live in a

(49:34):
coma state. Yeah, for as long as you choose to
extend it to So getting into like the weird aspect
of this, if there is the controlling elite all of
that type of stuff, I mean, once you get somebody
hooked on this piece of technology, how hard is it
one day just to go boop and everybody thinks that
they're in a dream or they're awake, but they're actually
they think that they're awake, but they're actually still in
that dream and they're in this like forever Koma state.

(49:55):
And I mean even with like the Cooma state, I mean,
how many stories of people do you hear that will
go go to a coma not realize they're in a coma.
They'll live out like a full lifetime, they'll have kids,
you know, they'll start getting old with their person that's
on the other that's in their coma dream, and then
they wake up and all of a sudden, it's like
you know that lifetime never existed. I mean that was
like my whole thing that I was afraid of with

(50:16):
like VR headsets and like the technology advancing on that is,
how how long is it to will inevitably get to
this point where you know, we're able to stimulate our
minds enough that we are living in this other reality,
and it gets to a point where we're not even
aware of the fact that we're living in another reality anymore. Like,
like I was saying, like they just kicked this thing
up one day, and you think that you just took

(50:36):
the you know, the halo off in the morning, but
you never actually woke up that day, and you never
do ever again.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
All right, off, time for another commercial break.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
And now back to letting your mind wander.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah, I actually it's kind of funny you're talking about
all this. It's probably been a couple of days ago.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
I saw the article pop up on social media. I
didn't read the whole thing, but it was basically about
how like people are now becoming like addicted to AI
and like talking to these AI generated entities and basically like.

Speaker 2 (51:16):
Them.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Yeah, and people that might have like underlying mental illnesses
or things like that. Are especially susceptible to this, and
like they can't tell like what's real and what's not anymore.
And in like several cases these people have had to
be hospitalized or you know, even worse. But yeah, like,

(51:37):
like you said, this is all just opening excuse me,
opening up a no pun intended Pandora's box. And I think, uh,
the bottom line on all this and I'm gonna be humorous,
but I'm not really joking in honor of the new
Jurassic Park movie, which we are going to go see tomorrow.
In the words of the prophet ian Malcolm, these people

(51:58):
are so worried about whether they can do this shit
they forget to stop and ask if they should. And
I think this is like a perfect example for that. Yeah,
it's kind of cool on the surface, and there might
be some you know, fun you could have with this,
but man, the possible drawbacks seem like it far outweighs
the possible benefits. But that's just kind of where I

(52:19):
fall on it.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
I mean, even people doing it to themselves theoretically, that's
even something that we haven't even thrown that idea at.
You know, these people that are essentially like falling in
love with artificial intelligence to the point where they're like
emotionally connected and dependent on these things. You know, how
long is it before they figure out how to create
whatever that AI version of a person that they think
is well And.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
How many movements about that exact thing have we had
here in the past couple of years. I can think
of like three or four right off the top of
my head, you.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
Know, like there's that was trying to normalize the concept.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Yeah, they're trying to basically normalize the concept of having
your robot girlfriend, you know.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
And it's one of those things that it's never going
to be what you think it is. Like they did
a perfect episode of Black Mare about it, talking about
this whole this girlfriend or this girl has her boyfriend
die and so she takes you know, the AI version
of him, like the algorithm, all of that stuff from
all of his posts and everything and creates this like
artificial version of him that she can interact with. But
she realizes that, you know, it's not him, it doesn't

(53:19):
have that essence, it doesn't have that thing. So it's like,
you know, you could say, you know, you're depressed because
your significant other passed away, so you try to create
this virtual version of your significant other, and you feel
like that's more rational than just creating this AI girl
that you fall in love with, because it's somebody that
you actually know. But you get so in depth with
this that you obviously have this emotional dependent connection to him.

(53:42):
And again you create this own, your own virtual reality,
like a like a house that you could live in
with this AI version. Like, there's gonna be people that
will never take that mask off again because they never
want to leave their fake reality. Like that's again some
of the people don't think about it, is people literally
doing this to themselves. Because we're getting to that point
as a society and you know, going into the whole
thing we talked about recently with like the Universe twenty

(54:03):
five experiment. You know, we're getting to a point where
it's like there's too much going on. There's not enough
people filling the roles. You know, people don't feel connections
with other people. You know, girls aren't necessarily interested in
the guys like they used to be. Guys aren't necessarily
interested in the girls like they used to be. So
rather than going into that fear of rejection all of
this type of stuff, you know, there's a huge portion
of society that would rather create this artificial person that

(54:26):
they can interact with and know what the inevitable outcome
will be that this person won't ever leave them, that
they can control the interactions all this stuff, and they're
always going to pick that world that they can control
over the real world that they have no control over.

Speaker 3 (54:39):
Yeah, and at the end of the day, you know,
life fucking sucks. The world is tough, it's not a
fun place, and so, like, I mean, I can totally
see why a lot of uh, to quote the prophet
David Chappelle, people with Brital ass spirits would like just
jump whole hog on this thing, you know. So, yeah,

(54:59):
it's doctor Ian Malcolm playing with fire. It's you know,
finding your dad's gun, whatever metaphor you want to put
on it. The probability that this is gonna go off
the rails is pretty high and seems to outweigh the
possible benefits to me. But you know, technology progress is inevitable.

(55:19):
We're gonna end up here at some point. We've been
making movies about how robots are gonna take over the
world for one hundred years now, and now we're just
like fucking chatting with them on Instagram and shit, and
nobody sees, well, only weirdos like us see problems with it.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
But anyway, say most people think that you know the
way around it is you have to converge with the AI,
you know, create like a cyborg race. But you know
that's still gonna create a superiority complex where the people
that chose not to become a cyborg are still gonna
get looked down upon by the people that became cyborg. So,
no matter what, you're not only gonna end up with

(55:55):
a hierarchy. There's either gonna be cyborgs and humans are
there's gonna be again robots slash AI in humans, and
there's always gonna be a hierarchy. That's just one of
those technologies.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
You know, it always has, always will and we're just
changing the particulars at this point.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Yep, And I guess leading into the last story, Hold
on site, guys, Bizarre Increase will be right back after
this brief commercial.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
Break, and now we're back.

Speaker 2 (56:28):
We left that one on a little bit of a down.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Definitely been a pretty dark episode. I mean, we've talked
about all that, you know, end of humanity, robot ship
and like child raping and adrenochrome. Let's let's talk about
something a little more lighthearted.

Speaker 2 (56:44):
I got I got a really funny news story for
you guys. So just bringing up the headline right here,
man barges into fort Meyer's home while family eats dinner,
claims he's a ghost. Okay, so of course.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
This happened in fucking Florida.

Speaker 2 (57:00):
Of course that's we should just do a Florida Florida
aspect of the show because obviously the Florida Man competition,
we got this Florida one. Most of our comedy stuff
comes from Florida at this point. So diving into this article,
the mcallison's mckelson's were sitting down for supper when all
of a sudden, a random guy came barging in the
front door. You know, he only had a bathing suit,

(57:22):
no shoes or anything else, said Brian Mcallison. He was
at the table with his two teenage daughters when they
heard what they thought was knocking at the door. As
I walked out of the area we were eating dinner
at there was an individual in the living room or
front room area proceeding to advance into my house. He said.
He was in. He was he was in the house. Sorry,

(57:45):
that was kind of worded. Weird, surprised that what he
was seeing. Mcallison said that the encounter became even stranger
once the man opened his mouth. He stated, he started
to tell me that he was a ghost and that
I shouldn't be able to see him. He was shocked
that I could see him. He thought he was walking
around and that nobody could see him. Brian, barely able
to believe what he was seeing, tried to get the

(58:06):
man back out of the front door. He came in.
I could tell his behavior was not normal. Mccallison said,
who knows? Who knows what this person may do if
they had the chance to think. After causing the scene inside,
this guy, who claims his name is Kevin, came running
outside to where a cu was cutting down a tree.
He hopped up on one of the trucks and locked

(58:27):
himself inside. He said he doesn't have a home, and
he's going to make this truck his home, said mcallison.
At this point, the man barged inside a house think
thinking he's a ghost, and now barricade himself outside a
truck belonging to belonging to tree trimmers. I think that's
all wild. Mcallison said, Uh, it took some coasting, but
the trimmers were able to get the man out of

(58:48):
the truck, where he ran away still wearing nothing but
his bathing suit. He was definitely on something. Mcallison called
Lee County Sheriff office and filed a report.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
He now wants to wants to find the man, but
not too press charges. Hopefully we can find this individual
and get him some help that he needs. And uh,
you know, I have a possible solution to this. I
think I know who this guy was. I don't think
he was actually Kevin. I think he may have been
and his name is Johnson. Are you sure about that?

(59:20):
Are you sure sure about that? You can't see him,
You can't see him. I'm assuming that the the TWM
trunks had to have been camo, because you just had
another layer of protection there, he said.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
The time is now.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
I love the fact that he ran out of his
house after saying that he was a ghost and ended
up going into another truck and saying that this was
his home. Just to throw in some weird possible theories
on this man. What if this guy was one of
the missing four one one cases, and he thought that
he was a ghost because he was living in this
other realm or this astral realm. Then all of a sudden,
reality snapped back and he's like, oh shit, I'm in

(59:51):
this guy's front room. I was supposed to be a
fucking ghost.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Well, I guess I technically can't disprove that theory. My theory, though,
is just meth is one hell of a drug.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
This guy had a near death experience near a pool,
thought that he died, and just said, you know what,
I'm gonna go invisible man on this ship. I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna go see if I can see somebody naked.
I'm gonna I'm gonna go see if I can figure
on somebody changing. Might as well take advantage of the
fact that I am now currently invisible.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Or meth is just one hell of a drug.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
Yeah, I'm gonna go.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
That's a possibility.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
Considering it's Florida. The broadest assumption is that meth is
one hell of a drug.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
There you go, and his name is Johnson.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Time is up, the time, the time is up. I
can't see me, can't fucking see me. And with that,
I guess kind of starting to wrap up the end
of the show. We of course had to leave you
guys on a high note with some comedy at the
very end. I'm gonna try to incorporate that, as I've
said on previous episodes, into every single episode. And that

(01:01:00):
was the last minute one man, because I had all
of these other stories, you know, I had the UFO
Day one, I had the Halo head band one, and
I was just like, fuck, I don't have a comedy story.
So I'm listening to h David Chuck the Freak on
the way to work this morning, and i heard this
guy thought he was a ghost, and I'm like, fuck, yeah,
what not a perfect story?

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
You're ever like here at the eleventh hour and can't
find a funny story. It sounds like you just google
like Florida man stories and you'll be able to find something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
So I'm just gonna look up local news in Florida,
and I guarantee you I'll find something right at the
top of the page. I probably wouldn't have to scroll
fll He'll probably be like the main headline up at
the top of any local Sure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
So this was the you know, front page news and
Fort Myers or wherever this was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
So oh yeah, definitely, dude. It makes it greats especially
the fact that they still haven't caught the guy. I
looked it up because it just happened a couple of
days ago. They still not They had not found this
fucking guy.

Speaker 3 (01:01:47):
Local meth addicts still at large.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
Fucking Kevin Man, Goddamn Kevin, fucking Kevin.

Speaker 6 (01:01:52):
What the heck?

Speaker 3 (01:01:53):
All right? So, on that note, you guys are next
episode of Bizarre Inquiries is going to be Thursday, August
the seventh. It's gonna be roughly seven to fifteen Eastern
Time on the Open Minds Media YouTube channel, And so
you guys be sure to submit questions or articles or
videos or anything that you guys want us to inquire about,
and also join in to the chat if you guys

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Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
And if you guys want to contact us or submit
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you guys can contact us through email through either show.
So you guys can contact us at Bizarre Encounters at
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Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
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Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, so you guys, we're.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Across social media, except so.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Do all the internet things. John on how the Internet works.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
And if you guys want to possibly support us, you
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And talking about a topic that we had today on

(01:03:25):
the merch Store, I actually have a shirt that is
supposed to be a parody of Hunter S. Thompson and
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas that says this is
Squatch Country, and it has Hunter S. Thompson as Sasquatch,
and it has oscars Ada Costa as Mothman. So if
you guys enjoyed us talking about fear and loathing, and
you guys also enjoyed cryptids, you guys could also go
and check out our merch store and check out that
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(01:03:47):
people have not thought was so clever.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Well, now it's even more clever that we've discovered these
connections to conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Yay, we just have to do an episode on Bizarre
Encounters and then it's totally real.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
There you go, and all you guys out there. As
of time of recording, this is July the third, so
tomorrow is July fourth. You guys have a great holiday
weekend and we'll see y'all next week.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
I suppose stay safe and don't blow your hands off, guys,
and in such staying bizarre this week, Just stay safe.

Speaker 3 (01:04:18):
If you're gonna do math, don't go into families living
rooms in your swim trunks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
And if you do, make sure you're actually invisible. Yeah,
what the heck? You fucking goddamn fucker, are you sure
about that? What the heck, you fucking goddamn fucker.

Speaker 3 (01:04:58):
We can't stop. Here is meth Country.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Oh my god.

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