The Bizarre Reality Halloween Special 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
What is the bizarre rights and Enquirers and welcome back
to the most bizarre Halloween special that there is on
the Internet. I am the one that, like a handful
of people refer to as Shane Squatch watch hys Squatch. Well,
I guess you got me there Sasquatch definitely does rhyme
with asquatch, and alongside me, as usual, I have the

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big bad Boo Daddy himself, sir or in Felix.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was wondering how long that was going to go on.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I found it on accident and it ran for about
thirteen seconds, so I thought it was about perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm not believing that was an accident. You googled freakishly
long sound effect.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And I didn't get anything too too crazy to be
able to announce our special guest for today, But I
completely forgot so I wasn't even able to put it onto.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
The two special guests.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Oh, we have two special guests today, Well, I guess
at least one special guest. Would would you like to
announce the special guest?

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Orn, I'll let you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
Well, it is somebody who hasn't been on the show
for a very long time. But for all of the
listeners who have been around since the beginning of Orn
popping on the show. We have the one, the Only Genny,
or paranormal Jenny as we used to call her. Yeah,
and Adam Sandler's very happy to see you.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm happy to see you guys too too.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Oh yeah, there we go, we got we got two
surprise co hosts today. There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Goblin is making an appearance.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
And I don't think well, I think he already did
announce it, but Riley unfortunately was not able to be
able to pop into the special. He's got some stuff
going on in his personal life. Nothing bad. I think
he posted it on the page. But he's expanding his family,
so nothing bad. But unfortunately, I believe he is stepping
away from podcasting temporarily. But maybe at some point we
can get him to pop on for a special down

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the road. At some point. Bike we eventually got Jenny
to come back. I only took what a year and
a half or so.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Well, we're not planning on having any children, so I
mean that shouldn't be a detriment over here.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So well, well, well, at least as far as Halloween
goes for you guys, because of course, you know, we're
gonna get into the Halloween Special, and we're trying to
mix it up a little bit to not do it
you know, generic like everybody else. So you know, most
people talk about origins of Halloween all of that type
of stuff, so we decided to mix it up a
little bit. But before we get into talking about all
of the Halloween festivities, of course, I have to ask you, guys,

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what is your favorite part of Halloween? And also what
is your favorite Halloween memory?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
You want to go first?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
No, you go first, I'm not the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Ooh okay, So my favorite part of Halloween, I would
say just like the general vibes, like watching movies, and
like Halloween like corresponds with college football season, so that's
like a time of year I really like anyway, and.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Hockey season, yeah, hockey season.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
And like when I was a kid, I just really
liked dressing up period, whether it was Halloween or not.
So yeah, just like all of the above, all the
spooky stuff and just the general fall vibes and everything
else that's going on that time of year and Halloween
movies and yeah, just all of the above.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
And what about you, Jenny?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Agree with that?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So I love every Halloween. I love decorating. I decorate
like the day after Labor Day, so we've been in
full spooky season since September.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's how it goes for a lot of people in
the community. It seems like I mean, technically my studio
half the year is decorated with our Halloween decorations, so
I guess it is part of a comes with the territory.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Yeah, I love it. I love it. I think my favorite,
my favorite Halloween maybe and it wasn't actually Halloween is
when we went to HHN at Universal Studios last year.
That was like that was a lot of fun, it
was kind of wild. So yeah, there's that.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well do you guys?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
You for me?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
I guess my favorite part about Halloween would be, like
you kind of mentioned, like the ambiance of it, Like
you know, it's kind of cool when no matter where
you go, everything's decorated with like ghosts and spooky stuff,
and it's one of those times a year where you know,
when you openly talk about the weird stuff you talk
about on the show, people don't actually give you funny
looks for it. So it's always a plus that I
can push people into a paranormal conversation, So I'm always

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absolutely happy with that.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
And I guess one month out of the year, you
can be as weird as.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
You want to be exactly. And I guess, personally one
of my favorite Halloween memories that doesn't seem like it
happens too often anymore nowadays. But you know, you guys
not having kids and stuff, you guys probably aren't seeing this.
But do you guys remember going to like the rich
neighborhoods and getting the king size candy bars? Yeah, that's
probably one of my favorite memories. And it seems like
when you go to the rich people neighborhoods now everything

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is downsized a little bit, so now they give out
normal size candy bars, which is still cool, don't get
me wrong, but it's that same feeling that we used
to get when we were kids, and we get that
full king size, like those people are really going the extra.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Stage capitalism in a nutshell though.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Or shrink flation. I guess it also kind of works there,
But I guess roundhouse that I was trying to get
to here. Do you guys have any favorite traditions or
traditions that you know have been something that people have
been doing since the beating a time when it comes
to Halloween.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
I don't know, Like we just always decorate the house.
It's got more and more elaborate as time goes on.
Like we live in an apartment, so it's not like
we have a yard or anything, but like in front
of our door, we've got all sorts of like I
don't know what are those, like leaning size and like
we got a lean and stacking pumpkins and we had

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a graveyard out there last year.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
This year we've decorated the inside of the house too,
And I'm like, hey, maybe this will just stay all
year long? Why not?

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Hey, why not? I mean it fits. It works for
a background for the studio and everything, So I mean
it works. But at least I'm assuming that, you know,
considering you guys have are definitely getting into Halloween, I'm
assuming you guys get into at least carving punkins hopefully
every year. Right, So fun.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
Story, Yes, we love to, but we've had this can
I cuss, Yeah, absolutely fucking fruit fly infestation going on.
So I did not do a pumpkin this year. I
was like, we're not gonna give them something else to eat.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
But well, I guess little bonus fun fact. I don't
know how true it is, but I'm also weary of
the smell unless you're putting it outside. But people claim
if you put white vinegar all over a pumpkin, it'll
preserve it, it'll keep bugs away, and it will also
keeps squirrels away from eating it. But I don't know
if you guys have too much of a scroll problem
with the way your apartments set up. I don't know
if your door's inside or not. But like I said,

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might make them smell bad, but supposedly why vinegars supposed
to help with fruit flies.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
Too, So okay, good enough, But I feel like a.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Lot of people they get into, you know, carving jackal lanterns,
but they don't don't necessarily know the origins of it. So,
speaking of the origins of jack o' lanterns, have you
guys ever heard of the legend of Stingy Jack? I have, absolutely,
so I guess this is our perfect spot to start
off with today. I know I covered this probably I
think got our very first Halloween special, but this has

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been probably one of my favorite Halloween stories going on
ever since, and it's one of those ones that I
end up telling the kids every year, so I made
sure that I got a dramatic retelling of the stories
that I can share it with you guys here today
for anybody that hasn't heard the story of Stingy Jack
and what the origins of Jackal interns are exactly. So,
without further ado, let's get into this first story today.
So in the green rolling hills of Old Ireland, well,

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let me first zoom in the screen a little bit,
because I have bad eyes and I wore glasses, as
everybody can see. So now that we're fixed here in
the green rolling hills of Old Ireland lived a man
named Jack. He was a notorious drunkard and a cutting trickster,
so much so that he earned the nickname Stingy Jack
because he was known for being selfish, manipulative, and never
willing to pay for any anything himself. He was, in short,

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a miserable old soul, but he possessed a sharp, wicked wit.
One dark evening, Jack found himself sitting in a local pub.
Having run out of money. He was desperately seeking a
way to avoid paying his tab. It was then that
the devil himself appeared, having heard many tales of Jack's wickedness,
and he had come to claim Jack's soul. Jack agreed
to go with the devil, but he made a final request.

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He asked the devil to buy him one last drink
before they departed for the underworld. The devil, amused by
Jack's audacity, agreed. However, when it came time to pay
the bill, Jack convinced the devil to transform himself into
a silver coin, promising that once the drink was paid for,
the devil could change back and claim Jack's soul. The devil,
thinking that he was simp it was a simple trick,

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transformed into a shiny shilling, but as soon as the
coin clicked in Jack's hand, the trickster quickly pocketed it
next to the silver cross he carried. The power of
the cross prevented the devil from changing back or escaping
the tight confinements of Jack's purse. Desperate to be released,
the devil begged Jack to let him go. Jack agreed,
but only after making the devil promise that he would
not bother him for one full year and that when

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Jack finally died, the devil would not claim his soul
for hell. The devil reluctantly swore the oath and Jack
released him. A year passed, and true to his promise,
the devil returned to the same spot to achieve Jack's soul.
This time, Jack knew he had run out of time
for his tricks, yet he made one final plea. He
pointed to a tall apple tree nearby and said, before
we go, I've just realized I haven't eaten an apple

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in years? Would you fetch me? Fetch me just one
so that I may have just one last taste of
the world above. The devil, confident that this was a
harmless request and eager to get a transaction over with,
quickly climbed the tree. But as soon as the devil
reached the highest branch, Jack swiftly carved the sign of
a cross into the tree trunk, trapping the devil high
above the ground. Furious and unable to climb down, the

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devil demanded that Jack remove the cross. Jack refused until
the devil agreed to a new, stricter promise that he
would never again seek under any circumstance and would leave
him alone forever. The devil, humiliated and trapped, had no
choice but to agree. Finally, his reprieve exhausted, Jack grew old,
and being the rogue that he was, finally died. First

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Jack went to the pearly gates of heaven, but because
of his wicked, miserable, and stingy life life, a life
full of trickery, drunkenness, and cruelty, he was promptly turned away.
With nowhere else to go, Jack descended to the gates
of Hell. When the devil saw Jack, he was reminded
of the humiliating bargain that they had struck twice. True
to his word, the devil refused to let Jack enter Hell,

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citing the promise that jack soul would never be claimed.
Go back where you came from, Jack, The devil growled,
You are cursed to wander the earth forever. But it
is dark. Jack pleaded, I cannot see the path. The devil,
in an act of spite, tossed Jack a single glowing
ember from the pits of Hell. It was a piece
of eternal coal that would never burn out. Jack carved

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out a large turnip, placed the coal inside, and use
it as a lantern to light a way. And so,
stingy Jack was cast out forever, doom to wander the
earth in the dark night between the realms of heaven
and Hell, carrying his humble, glowing turnip lantern. To this day,
he is known as Jack of the Lantern or Jack
o Lantern. When people carved terrifying faces into turnips, beets,

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or later pumpkins, they were wording off the site of
Stingy Jack, a lost soul walking the earth. So for
anybody also that didn't know, an additional fun fact in there.
It wasn't actually pumpkins until the Irish came to America
and then that's when they started using those. Originally it
was turnups, and they weren't actually using pumpkins until they

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came to America and the natives ended up showing them pumpkins.
So a little fun fact, it wasn't even originally a pumpkin.
It was a turn up. So Jack o' lanterns were
a turn up. Two fun facts all in one there,
So there you go for anybody that may not know
that story. Now you guys know, now that's a pretty
funny one.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think it's kind of interesting that the main character
is this trickster type entity, or you know, it was
a human. But how many of these stories that we
talk about on the show go back to some sort
of trickster being or entity, you know, being the source
of some sort of creation. So I think that's kind
of interesting in and of itself. And also the idea

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that you know, he was kind of caught in this
liminal space and you know, was kind of destined to
wander the earth. That also gets back to what we've
been talking about a lot lately with like, you know,
the disembodied spirits of the nephel and wandering the earth
and things like that. So yeah, I think there's a
lot to unpack in that little that little tale there.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
And when you make deals with the devil, or you
make these bargains, you may think that you want it first,
but there'll be some way that it'll come back and
bite you in the ass later. This is something we're
talking about. I think with the fae too, that you
have to be very specific about your requests otherwise it'll
be turned and flipped. So of course, you know, you
think the best bargain ever is the devil can ever
claim your soul. But what happens when now you can't
be claimed? Because again, you gotta mind of technicality. That's

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what I think is one of the most interesting parts
about that story is that, you know, we think it's
one of those stories where find somebody finally tricks the
devil and then he gets them on a technicality. But
in all fairness, though, I think that technicality is probably
better than the end result, because I'd personally rather be wandering,
you know, the earthly realm with a lantern, then be
thrown into the pits of hell personally and have infinite
torture forever. I mean that sounds like he may have

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actually came out on top of that deal.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I guess that's the best you can hope for when
you're a trickster, drunkard, whatever.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yah stingy Jack.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, do you have anything to add on this one?
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (13:28):
I've heard that before when we were carving our pumpkin,
I guess two or three years ago. I think I
kind of told you the story. But yeah, that's a
fun one.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I was saying, I'm glad somebody's actually familiar with it,
because I'm really surprised at how many times I've retold
this story and people have no idea, even the whole
turn up thing over being a pumpkin, Like people are
just unaware, which is really unfortunate sometimes that we do
all of these different traditions and things, but people aren't
really too aware of where the true origins of a lot
of this stuff is. Like it's been so misconscrewed through

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the years that you kind of have an idea for
a lot of but I mean, you don't know for sure,
even Christmas. I mean, everybody has a million different variations
on the origin, and it's like they're all a little
bit true. So I don't think you'll ever really know
the true full answer to it.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
But well, and all that sort of stuff is just
so sanitized at this point, and a lot of these
holiday traditions and rituals, if you will, you know, obviously
day back to like pagan times and pagan practices, and
you know, just through the years and Christianity and you know,
organized religion, they've just been sanitized and like added in

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with so much churchly things that it's kind of unrecognizable
from what a lot of these things started out as.

Speaker 1 (14:39):
Pull in tight, guys, we'll be right back after this
brief commercial break. Now back to the show. Well, I'm
glad that you said that, because this is a perfect
means to be able to switch into the next thing
that I want to talk to you guys about. So
this is something that I grew up with for years,

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and I'll give some more context, But of course I
want to see if you guys are aware of it,
because I didn't know that this was mainly a Michigan
slash Michigan area thing. I thought it was all over
the country. So are you guys familiar with Devil's Night?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
No, I don't think so either.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Wow sees I knew I would catch you guys on something.
Then are you guys familiar with like basically this whole
idea about like basically destroying everything and pranking and doing
all this crazy stuff on Hallow's Eve? Have you guys
ever heard of that? I think that there's other different
areas that might have different names for it. I think
it's called it like Hallows Eve and stuff like that too.
Sometimes sounds like the Purge, yeah kind of is. So

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have you guys. Are you guys familiar with the movie
The Crow, like the nineties one, the good.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
One, like the Brandon Lee or whatever.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Yes, yes, that one.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
So for anybody that may not be aware that movie
takes place in Detroit, and you know the whole premise
of how it leads up to, you know where they
end up getting killed, that it's in Detroit. There's all
these city fires, there's all these riots, everybody's going crazy.
That's supposed to be Devil's Night in Detroit back in
the nineties, because that's how crazy that used to get.
Back in the nineties. It was this thing where like
everybody would basically just riot and set everything on fire,

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like I grew up at least with on Devil's Night,
the night before Halloween, Like my dad would check every
single door, my mom would check every single door, everybody
would lock everything up, everybody'd be already be inside. Yeah,
it almost was for a while, especially if you're near
the Detroit area. But I wanted to bring up an
article on this because it seems like it's one of
those things that unless you're from the Detroit area, like
nobody's heard of it. So I figured this would be

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a fun I don't want to say Halloween tradition, but
I guess partially a tradition in Detroit, at least in
the nineties. And the good news is it's kind of
started to fade away, but we'll get into it through
the years, but without further ado, let's kind of get
into someone of the explanation of what Devil's Night is exactly.
And this article comes from his Detroit historical so it's
coming straight from one of the city press things. So

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I thought that was kind of cool. But the night
before Halloween, October thirtieth was once considered Devil's Night in Detroit.
Devil's Night for Detroit ors was marked with flames and fear,
was recognized as an example of power and community. What
is Devil's Night? Devil's Knight stem from the European tradition
of Mishift knighte Mishift Knight can be traced back to Britain,
where it was reference to the day before May May Day,

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a celebration for the return of spring. Much like Devil's
Knight in Detroit, Mischief Night in Europe was marked with
pranks committed by youth. Mischief made its way to the
US during the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties, when cities
across the country started experiencing a higher number of pranks
and vandalism on October thirtieth, the night before Halloween. Some
historians even cite the rise of Devil's Knight mischief to

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Black Tuesday on October twenty ninth, nineteen twenty nine, when
the US stock market crashed causing the Great Depression, tensions
of war and extreme poverty would have would have caused
the excalation in the number of incidents from the nineteen
forties through the nineteen seventies to Devil's Knight in Detroit,
as in other communities around the state, remained largely harmless
and mostly a nuisance to the police and fire departments.

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The pranks consisted of egging home or toilet papering houses,
nothing too extreme or dangerous, But in the early nineteen
eighties the pranks began taking on a dangerous tone, which
leads up to about the time I was mentioning when
I was a kid, where everybody was like, yeah, no,
lock your shit up and let's get inside for Devil's Night.
Rising unemployment in the city contributed to the number of
empty properties, the perfect target for arsenists. Pranksters began setting

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fires and abandoned properties and homes. In nineteen eighty four,
the Detroit Fire Department extinguished more than eight hundred fires
across the city. This would be the highest number of
fires recorded, and this was about the time that the
crow was supposed to take place, to kind of give
people a visual of like what this used to be
like back in the day. The arsonists often targeted empty
homes and properties, but intentionally or unintentionally, the fires spread quickly.

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Over the years, the fires resulted in injuries, destruction of property,
and even deaths. Which began as simple pranks committed by
youth quickly escalated to citywide arson with slim down police
and fire departments unable to fully control the chaos Detroit's
in Devil's Night, the city enlisted the help of the
community angels in the streets. The community steps in and

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I don't think, yep, this isn't too too long for
an article to court the arson and other severe crimes,
the city of Detroit enacted at curfew in nineteen eighty six,
restricting those under the age of eighteen from being out
past ten pm on October thirtieth unless accompanied by an
adult and the day surrounding it. So this is what
I was kind of mentioning earlier, that everybody would be
in at his particular time, especially kids, because I remember

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as a teenager, if you're out on Devil's Night when
it started getting dark, You're probably gonna get brought home
by the cops. Like, they did not mess around with
this shit when I was a kid, dude. In nineteen
ninety five, the city began enlisting volunteers in the neighborhoods
to help prevent the flames from catching and spreading to
other properties. The group of volunteers operated much like neighborhood watch,
patrolling their communities and reporting suspicious activity to the authorities.

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Angels Night was a city sanctioned volunteer operation, functioning much
as a neighborhood watch organization would. The gorilla style surveillance
in the neighborhood enforced curfew and alerted the authorities to
any suspicious activities. The mobilization of Angels Knight volunteers worked,
and in twenty seventeen, the city officially ended the program.
Angels Knight was replaced with a community celebration October thirtieth,

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Halloween and the d And if I'm not mistaken, I
believe that back when I was in middle school, maybe
elementary school, it was a big thing on the news
that they were purposely trying to switch the name to
Angels Knight everywhere, hoping that people might behave better if
they switched the name from Angels Knight to Devil's Night.
But obviously, you know, that didn't end up taking off.
Everybody's like, yeah, Devil's Night, it's Detroit, let's go destroy

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stuff and burn stuff. So they consciously try to make
an effort to switch the name, but it did not work.
And they even tried to do.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Like a Facebook changing its name to Meta and thinking
everybody's gonna just forget about them stealing all your information.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Yup. They I mean, they even tried to do another thing,
I think it was like a year or two later,
where they called it all Saints Knight, trying to take
it a little bit step past for past angel Knight.
But again that one, of course didn't end up working.
But it seems like it slowly dwindled off, like there's
still some things in Detroit where you end up getting,
you know, the fires and stuff like that on Halloween Eve,

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but it's not nearly what it used to be. And
I feel like that's mainly because of the fact that
there's so much video surveillance everywhere that you know, people
kind of just don't want to take that risk anymore,
but you know it still happens, of course, and are
the flames extinguished. Detroit is not alone in the Devil's
Night nightmare from the past. Cities like Philadelphia, Baltimore, and
New Orleans all have their own version of Devil's Night,

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each under a different moniker, but the intention the same
causing mischief. Not all the vandalism and fires have been stopped,
but each year the number of incidents dwindles. Angels Night
through the support of community helps contribute to the declining numbers,
and many in the community still patrolling on October thirtieth.
The history of Devil's Knight lives on for Detroiters, marked
by fear, fire, chaos and community. And then it says,

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if you want to check out more information of courts,
go and check out their website. But yeah, a little
bit of information for you guys as far as Devil's
Night goes, and even makes reference to the fact that
it has definitely dwindled down. But I remember this being
like a high state of fear when I was a kid,
Like as soon as it was hallows eve man, everybody
as soon as they got off work, they're trying to
prep all the supplies for the night so they could
get inside, lock the doors, and not take a step outside.

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Like I don't know, maybe my parents are just over paranoid,
but they did not mess around with Devil's Night, like
any bump noise outside the door. They got all the
lights on. They're peeking out the window, like, they did
not mess with that shit.

Speaker 2 (22:27):
What I think's kind of interesting about this story is
I read at some point and I can't remember what
book it was in, so I can't give credit due
where credit's due. But this idea that throughout history, like
the ruling class has always like given the peasants, if
you will, like this one time of year where they

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could act up and you know, there'd be feasts and
you were allowed to drink, and like this even went
into American slavery times, but you know this was a
way to like kind of control old the workers and
the population was you know, if they had this one
time a year where the tables were turned and the

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you know, the people in power were then you know
kind of below the workers, it would keep everybody kind
of in line. So that's kind of what it sounds
like to me, is just something very much of that
same vein, and we joked about the purge, but you know,
same type deal. It's all could be seen as a
mechanism for just controlling the public. Hey, we're gonna give
you this one night to freak out and do whatever

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you want to so you don't freak out all the
other time.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
You know what was really funny though, is like when
it first started, I feel like there was not a
lot of like control over it, Like they would kind
of just like stop the fires once they started. But
like I said, you guys not being Detroiters, it's kind
of hard to give you guys the full view of this.
But like I'm not kidding, Like half the city would
be on fire, Like we have so many abandoned buildings
down here and they're all like old buildings that they're
all would like everything would just catch onto the next house,

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onto the next house. Like I remember when I was
a kid, there would be like an orangish dark ambion
like coming from towards the city because there'd be so
many fires on Devil's Night. Like I almost wonder at
a certain point that you kind of started talking about
the whole thing about the elites and the rich think
about this, man, if you just like in the purge,
you know, they take the opportunity to get rid of
things that they don't necessarily want. You know, So if

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you are, for example, somebody that comes in and buys
a shit ton of property, you guys don't necessarily want
to deal with demolition. How hard is it to throw
some money to a few local people to set a
couple of blocks on fire, and now you can get
the plan cheapest shit, And now already the buildings are
half destructed, so that much easier to take a part now.
So I'm pretty convinced for a while, when they're really
trying to flip over the cities after the riots and

(24:38):
everything back in the seventies, that they were kind of
trying to maybe use this as an opportunity, but it
just ended up getting out of hand because the way
Detroit is, once somebody sets a fire, everybody's like, yeah, man,
I want to set a fucking fire too, Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
The funny thing about that is that would be right
in the playbook we've talked about with a lot of
recent events, like whether that be the Maui fires or
even you know, the hurricane here in North Carolina last year,
where it's basically these elites or corporations, you know, kind
of using nefarious means and possible weather manipulation to be

(25:13):
able to seize property and not have to pay off
you know, people market value for their property in their homes.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
I mean, like I said, it would definitely make sense
that they would enact this, And it kind of makes
sense in a weird way too, that the whole Devil's
Night thing seems like it instantly like stopped one year
for the most part. Like I said, there's a few
scattered things, but it was not what it used to be,
and it just like stopped like overnight. It seemed like
one year. And around that time was the same time
that all this heavy investor money was coming into the city.

(25:42):
So it kind of makes sense again kind of getting
into that conspiracy that as soon as some real heavy
money starts coming into the city, all the fires stopped.
M kind of weird, right, And the only places that
the fires still end up happening are the old, burned
out neighborhoods and stuff like that. I Mean, you could
definitely say it's maybe a means of opportunity, but back
in the day, people were setting like local business is
on fire. So I feel like if it wasn't like

(26:03):
there's a reason behind that, you know, I mean, Detroit
is crazy, so maybe that's that is the rule of it,
but you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Do you have anything to add on this one.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, it also seems like that would be a really
good way to commit arson and make an insurance claim
as well.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Yep, yeah, especially considering that this was around the time
that the city was start need to get really really bad.
If you didn't want your business in that area anymore,
burn that shit down on Devil's Night, and now you
can claim an insurance claim and you don't have to
have your business in the city anymore.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
You gotta start looking into these businesses. How many of
them started moving their businesses north? All the money?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
All right, guys, we got to take another break. We'll
be right back, and now we're getting back to the bazaar.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Well, I guess on a little bit of a lighter note,
considering that you know, Jenny of course is a prize
co hosts on this one, she ended up bringing something
that we're going to dive into today. So without further ado, Jenny,
wherever you happen to want to start and I do
have these pictures whenever you want me to bring them
up for you.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
Okay, So this is gonna be super lighthearted, nothing maybe
a little paranormal to it. But we're going to talk
about the haunted mansion in Orlando, Florida disney World. So
some fun things about well I'm gonna get to that.

(27:29):
Don't show that yet, shamee.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Okay, I'll close it up.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Let's let me let me let me pompt kate a
little bit first. Okay, So disney World's in Orlando. Disney
Land isn't California. So Disneyland had this haunted mansion. This
was Walt Disney's like just baby, he just he this
was his thing. So when he built it in Disneyland,
even though there wasn't even the Disney World, he built

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two of everything. So they brought this to disney World
and because of the popularity of it, it was literally
one of the first buildings that was built there in
nineteen seventy one, and then everything else in Liberty Square
where it is was built around it. All Right, Now,
we're just going to talk a little bit about the ride.

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So the queue outside the mansions exit near the queue,
there's a metal ring embedded in the pavement and it
actually was a salt off post, probably used for the
que at one time, but the fans after they were
not using it anymore and it got sawed down. It
left like a circuit circle in the in the concrete,

(28:41):
and the fans and the lord turned to that this
was the wedding ring of the black widow in the
Haunted Mansion named Constance. So we're going on through the queue,
and the cemetery is just full of fun headstones with
fun puns, and each of the two stones honors an

(29:02):
engineer who worked on the creation of the Haunted Mansion. Okay,
now you can show that picture.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Okay, bring it up now, all right, perfect.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
This is called the facade, and this is what you see.
This is the building, all right. The mansion visible from
outside is just the show building's entrance. The only thing
that is in this part of this is the two
stretching rooms and the entrance to it, all right. And

(29:34):
there's a second one two Okay, can y'all see the
facade This teeny tiny building in the front, so the
back warehouse that is actually the ride and so how
you get to the ride, and I hope somebody else

(29:54):
has been to Disney World a time or two. Once
you go into the stretching room in Disneyland, it's an elevator,
and up until yesterday I thought that the one in
Disney World was an elevator. You munt know, well you
do you know this now? Actually it is stationary and
they just raise the ceiling. You enter one door, you

(30:16):
exit in another door. So I think that's that's really fun.
But they hide this entire warehouse situation with the burn
from the railroad and the trees, so you have anything.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
To add in yet, No, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I just want to throw this in that I find
this always super duper interesting that not only for this ride,
but almost any ride that Disney does, they do this
thing where they want to keep the kingdoms like secluded
as the kingdoms, and you don't see things that you're
not supposed to see. So they do the like.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Get to some that yeah, get really good.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Cool purposeful things where they'll like lay things up where
you can't see the world that's next to the place
that you're in because they'll purposely like set up these
walls and everything like it's cool. You have this like
set up that you think of is Disney, but you
look at an aerial view and you realize that there
is like a huge more there's way more sections. You
don't even realize that are there because they purposely will
like steer you away where it's almost like an optical

(31:11):
illusion that it doesn't exist in the first place.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Now, and that was a big thing, like, well, it
was all about the magic and preserving the magic. So
once you get inside the ride, there are just lots
of fun illusions and we'll touch on real quickly. There
is a huge ballroom where it really looks like there
are gohess and anyone can google this and find videos
on YouTube of it. But this was a thing called

(31:35):
Pepper's Ghosts, and basically it was where they had like
real animatronics, but they had a huge piece of glass,
so they shone light through the glass and where you're
sitting on the ride, all you see is the reflection.
So very cool cutting edge stuff. Back in nineteen seventy one,

(31:57):
there's an endless hall that really looks smilest and it
is purely made with mirrors. Also fun thing, there's a
custom scent blend used in the ride sload area, a
faint mix of must dust and mildew pumped in to
make it feel like an old punted house. And they

(32:18):
not only do that in the Haunted Mansion, they do
it on Main Street. They'll pump in like the smell
of sugar cookies and the smell of popcorn. And this
is all to not at the Haunted Mansion. I don't
know what they would be selling there, but like in
the other areas, to make hungry. Since the ombiance, it
might make somebody hungry at the Haunted Mansion.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
I don't know, since the ambiance, that's that's what they're
going for, because I feel like they probably use it
in other places too, not just for like selling and stuff.
But I'm trying to think of, like where else you
might have like smells or something like uh oh, I
think that that's what it was in the It's a
Small World ride. I'm pretty sure they don't. They use
like smells or something when you go through like particular countries,
so it smells like bread or it smells like this

(32:59):
or whatever, so it it's like the ambiance of the
countries and stuff too.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
They do and on the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.
They pump in a smell to that to make it
smell just like I don't like it smells like water.
I don't even know what water would smell like.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
Isn't there a part I read that there's a part
where there's like a burping pirate and they like push
out like a like a like a rum smell, So
it smells like a like a rum burp.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
So any Jack Sparrow on there doing that, Actually, that's
just the real Johnny Depp. That's not Jack Sparrow, which
he has done before.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
That would make me super thirsty.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
That'd be fabulous, which he has done before. I'm pretty
sure Johnny Depp. I think I remember reading an article
that he went on the ride for a day and
would just see if anybody recognized that it was actually him,
and he pretended to be Jack Sparrow on the ride
for a day.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
That's fact. I love everything that you just said.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
That is so good.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
I just imagined him coming in from one spot where
you can't see, to another spot where you can't see,
just doing the run, like was that an animatronic or
was that a real man?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
That be wonderful.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
You're just running across like that. See, we're gonna make
this scary.

Speaker 3 (34:05):
We're gonna make this scary, all right. And so at
the Rides finale you have the hitch hiking ghost.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
And I have to go. But that's pretty funny, Shane.
Since we just talked a couple of weeks ago about
hitch hiking ghost legends on the show.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Everything comes full circle. We've learned that.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
I wonder if this is where the term came from.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
Is so it's funny. Yeah, I don't know if I
told you. While I was working on the episode, we
were covering like a North Carolina ghost story. Oh is
this Lydia the hitchhiking Ghost.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
I actually watched that episode on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, yeah, And so you know, part of the research
I did said that like basically every state, every major
city has one of these like hitch hiking ghost type legends.
There's like four other ones in North Carolina alone. So
it's just a prominent feature of you know, like folklore,
urban legends, whatever, this hitch hiking ghost mythology. So I'm

(35:03):
sure you know this plays right into that.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
There's even like ancient Gin stories about like Gin getting
on the back of like somebody's camel and like looking
like a normal person, and then they started seeing like
the claws wrap around them, and then when they started
freaking out and turned back, the Gin would like disappear.
So I mean even that whole motif of story even
goes beyond ghosts and goes into like Gin and like
other creatures doing things like that too in different contexts.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Well, and that's kind of what they do too, Like
they messed like they they changed the the interaction in
twenty eleven that upgraded it, made it better, and.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
They will swap your head and stretch.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Face and make you disappear and stuff like that. So
that was I mean, that's that's kind of part of that.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
I guess.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I hope they had Ai to it, because somebody will
get it to a point where it starts swearing, Like
wasn't that already a thing at that one of the
Disney parks is they added like AI Darth Vader, and
somebody got it to start swearing or something was funny.
I had a hitchhiking ghost and started getting them to swear. Peeple,
that'd be great, you.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Know, that will be well, this scared the ship out
of me when I was little, So I mean, that's
really funny.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
Just imagine himwear now you in the process of that
having like a full conversation with you learning your name.
That's horrifying.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
Yeah, that would be pretty bad. That'd be pretty bad,
all right. So I'm gonna go into a few urban
legends that happened in the Haunted Mansion. So the doom buggies,
as they are called. So you ride in this this

(36:38):
this car and it's on a track that never stops.
So there's an urban legend of a little boy who
fell out of the ride and fell to his doom
and they didn't find him like till the next day.
And now cast members claim they see him every now
and then, just riding, riding the like just sitting there.

(37:09):
And so there is another story. So I think these
stories are mostly the same, just they changed the character.
There is the story of the man with the cane,
and I think this one has a pretty good, like
pretty good following to a cast members like talk to him.
I think his name's George too, which is funny because
there's a George ghost in Pirates to the Caribbean and
as well. But he fell to and now they see

(37:32):
him on the right as well. And then there's one
third one that I'm gonna tell that's gonna kind of
kind of tie into something else. So there are the
grad nights stories. I guess back in the day, Disney
had like these grad nights for high school seniors and

(37:52):
they could, they'd open the park and leave it open late,
and a group of teenagers got lost in these tunnels
underneath the Haunted Mansion and never we're seen again. So
this this story.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Well, they're probably doing drugs and fucking.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
That would be my guest. That would be my guest.

Speaker 1 (38:10):
How young of kids were they, because they may have
been snatched up by people that worked at the Disney Park,
especially in those endless tunnels, because I've heard of employees
getting lost in those endless tunnels.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
Oh, we're getting there, We're getting there. All right. Here's
my spooky maybe not so spooky, maybe super spooky story. Okay,
when I was sixteen, sixteen, almost seventeen, but still sixteen,
I met a cast member. I was on family vacation
and I met I met a cast member and this

(38:43):
this fucker had to be like seven feet tall, blonde.
I've told Orrin this story, and he's like yeah, you
met a Nordic down there, you met a Yeah you
met Alee. Yeah, exactly. So I met him and we
were there for like a week. So every day I
go back and ride the right over and over, because
you know, we were kind of like, I was kind
of crushing on him and stuff. And so the last

(39:07):
night of the trup, I'm riding at the end of
the night and he asked me to stay and he
tells my parents, He's like, look, I'll get her back
to Fort Wilderness where you're staying. So Fort Wilderness is
probably if you walked a twenty minute walk from the

(39:27):
Magic Kingdom, if you rode the water taxi or whatever,
probably fifteen minutes. But you also have to consider getting
out of the park and then getting to your transportation,
and also at closing time. So my parents, god love him,
said yeah, that's fine, that's absolutely fine. It's a different time,

(39:49):
different Yeah, not to date myself too much, but it
was a different time. So anyway, so I guess at
this point he took me through the.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Utilidors, which are the tunnels.

Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yes, let me describe it. Yeah, I need to, so
for anyone who doesn't know, this is that last picture Shane.
The Utila doors are something that Walt Disney absolutely planned
from the beginning because in Disneyland, he saw a cowboy
who was supposed to be from Frontier front Tierland in

(40:25):
like a land that he's not supposed to if anyone
doesn't know, there's like Fantasy Land, Frontierland, Liberty Square, there's
different places. So he didn't like this, so he tacked
on an extra five million dollars to the plans for
Disney World, which into money, would be like forty seven

(40:45):
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
So he chicken ship money for Disney.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
That's all right, that's right, Especially now that they got
it set up or you can't share accounts, they want
to make sure they got every single dollar. And also
on top of that, you can't sue them if you
have accounts, so they got themselves covered there now too,
because that was something that fell in like a year
or two ago that if you have a Disney Plus account,
you signed something that basically says that you can't sue them.
So just another fuse.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Well, I mean, they will take your money, but this
is basically the first floor of Disney. So they built
these utilidors and they cover over nine acres and that's
pretty pretty big, and it's basically a place where the
cast members can go from one land to another without

(41:32):
being seen by the public, not ruining the magic. And
down below they have like cast member locker rooms, their
costume department that's very intricate.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Try to removal there even like or was at one
point like a subway down there for the restaurant cast
members to eat.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm pretty sure there's a frozen Walt Disney down there
somewhere too.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
I think that too. So there's all this, all this
stuff down there, and apparently this fella and I don't
don't recalls name, it was a long time ago, took
me through the Utilidors and back to Fort Wilderness and

(42:22):
just left me there. And my parents show up like
a half an hour later, and my mom's like, are
you okay? Where you been? Like, and I tell her
this whole fucking elaborate story and explain everything about the
Utilidors to her. I don't remember this. I have zero
recollection of any of this, none of it. I couldn't

(42:44):
tell you anything about it. But apparently it happened. I mean,
it's it's a true story.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
According to your mama, I mean, why would she make
up something like that, you know.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And one more fun fact about it this, so now
you can take a tour down there. It's like the
Keys to the Kingdom tour. And there's absolutely no photography
or video. And I was taken down the way before
this was a thing. So I hate that I cannot
remember this either wonderful or potentially terrible.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Thing that happened to me.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
But that's my fun woo. Maybe a little spooky woo,
maybe a little missing time woo.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Story, maybe a little human trafficking.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Maybe a little human traffic. I mean I was sixteen,
almost seventeen, but still.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Sixteen's the that's the lower If you showed up at Epstein.

Speaker 1 (43:40):
That's the lower tunnel system. The lower tunnel system leads
to Hugh Hefner's house and Epstein's mansion.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Well, you know, this will be the last thing I'll
say about so we can move on. But you know,
they only show you. There's a reason they're doing a tour.
They're going to show you what they want you to
see and take away a little bit of the mystique.

Speaker 2 (43:59):
It's the whole nothing to say, here's a bad.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Thing to see here, And I guarantee there was plenty
of shit to see there that they don't they don't
show on that tour.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Hey, they start giving tours very fifty one, you already
know you're gonna see like twenty percent, So I'm assuming
it's probably no different with this. I mean, even like
the Catacombs when you go to to like France, like
the tour area that they give is like two percent
of like the whole thing, and like what is it,
like sixty percent of it is like you can't even
go there, like people haven't accessed it in like years.
So I wouldn't be surprised if there's not abandoned areas

(44:31):
or quote abandoned areas that may have been repurposed for
other things that maybe even Disney may not be fully
aware of or you know, not aware of on paper,
so to speak.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
Well, and I know I'm always just quick to blame
everything on human trafficking, but like that's.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
The world we live in, Spooky Halloween.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
We need this elaborate fucking tunnel system so cowboys don't
show up in the spaceship Land. But like you can
also snatch children and you know, take them. God knows
why with this tunnel system.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
So I absolutely subscribe to that theory. I think there's
some nefarious stuff going on down there.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
There might be a Freemason temple. I feel like that
wouldn't be out of the realm of possibilities for Walt Disney.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Oh quickly, there is the club thirty three in Disney World,
and there's.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Like a and what is there like rationale for why
it's called thirty three? I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Okay, Walt Disney.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
It's super expensive to get into and there's like a
decade long wait list.

Speaker 1 (45:31):
Thirty three thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
Yeah, probably, Yeah, you do have to pay admission, like
it's like a club, right, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, if you will, like a secret society. Perhaps, Yeah,
but I just know that that had to be so
frowned upon for a cast member or ordic to just
taking a person down.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
Oh no, you were just too damn old if you
were sixteen.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I was sixteen. I was sixteen, almost seventeen.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah, they won't like fourteen or fifties.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Yeah, they go a little younger. Maybe they're gonna make
you the next big Disney star. They're like, nope, toss
this one back. Just just throw it over in a
different land. She'll figure it out.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
That true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
We apologize, guys for the interference, but we will be
right back. And now back to the show. Well, I
guess on a little bit more of a spooky Halloween note,
not as lighthearted. What are some of your guys's favorite
horror slash scary Halloween movies to watch?

Speaker 2 (46:36):
My favorite Halloween movie is Halloween, the original one. But
we've been you know, every year we pick a franchise
to watch. You know, three or four years ago we
did Halloween, then we did the Friday the Thirteenth movies,
and yeah, and this year we did the Terrifier movies.
As you can see from our our sunshine glasses we've

(46:57):
got on here. But so we've had a lot of
fun watching those this year. But yeah, I'm always gonna
go back to Halloween. That's always my favorite. I'm Michael Myers. Boy,
what about you, Shane?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
So I guess for me this year, I of course
had to go back through and watch Hell Raisers. It's
been a long time since I went through them with
some of those movies, so of course they're fantastic. I mean,
I made my girlfriend watch the newest one, which is
like a revamp, but it also you can watch it
not necessarily in order, So it just like inspired me
to go back to the originals. But one of the
cool ones that I got my kids into this year,

(47:30):
which I actually have a shirt for today that I
purposely wore for the Halloween special, Killer Clowns from Outer Space.
Got my kids into that one now, so that's gonna become,
you know, a Halloween classic of course. But speaking of
horror movies, I think that will lead us into what
Orn has for today, because of course, you know, everybody
watches all of these different movies and they hear this
motif of based on a true story, but a lot

(47:52):
of people don't know where that true story is or
how close it might actually be to that true story,
such as text chance on massacre. Maybe we'll get into
that one with the article. I guess we'll have to see,
but very far off from the story. But I figured
it would be a good thing too. Maybe we can
set the record strap for some people on where the
origin of some of these horror movies are.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
All right, So what I have brought for us today
is an article that comes via people dot Com like
people like the magazine, and it is titled thirteen chilling
horror movies based on real life stories? All right, so
the article goes as Thus, films such as The Amityville Horror,

(48:34):
Mayre on Elm Street and the Texas Chainsaw Massacre there
you go, became instant classics and part of the Hollywood
rewatch cannon. But one very significant reason why these films
were such a big hit right out of the gate
was because they were art that loosely imitated life. After all,
what's scarier than a movie's plot that's plausible enough to

(48:55):
happen to you or someone you know. From haunted houses
and possessed dolls to true life x check out these
horror movies based on real life events, and y'all jump
in whenever you want, whenever you've got something to contribute.
So Number one the Amityville Horror. Though there are still
major debate on whether or not the alleged pre normal

(49:17):
events that took place at one twelve Ocean Avenue in Amityville,
New York are true, the murders that led to The
Amityville Horror being written in the first place certainly are
On November thirteenth, nineteen seventy four, twenty three year old
Ronald Joseph d Fayo Junior got up in the middle
of the night and fatally shot his entire family, parents

(49:38):
Luis and Robert Senior, as well as siblings Don, Allison, Mark,
and John. After admitting to having committed the murders, he
used an insanity defense at trial, saying he heard voices
telling him to do it. According to NBC News, after
Dafayo Junior was sent to prison, the family home was
put on the market a year later, which is when

(49:59):
George and cath Lean Lutz moved in with their three children.
The Lutzes reported a series of paranormal activities happening in
the house, which is where the story of the Amityville
Horror originated. Apparently, the hauntings were so severe they had
to escape the house in the middle of the night
only a month after they had moved in. The Lutz's

(50:19):
story has been the subject of much debate, especially given
the fact that the next family to take over the house,
James and Barbara Cramarthy, lived in the house for a
decade without any paranormal occurrences, but that hasn't stopped sightseers
from visiting the house decades later, to the annoyance of
the neighbors. So do y'all have anything to add about

(50:39):
this one?

Speaker 1 (50:40):
Before I move on, I just want to throw in
the fact that apparently it didn't reference once that that
was a Warren case, because if it was a Warren case,
everybody just knows to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
We're gonna get it in a little bit later. It already
I know references them because a lot of these, like
you know, based on a true story, are all the Warrens,
but even in their books, man, it's like ten percent
of the real thing, and then the right is all

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just fiction. So I feel like they purposely left the
Warren's name out because most people are just like, nope, bullshit.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
Well, I'm mostly pissed that the movie left out Jody
the Pig because Jennie the Pig was a damn fine babysitter.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
All right, So we're gonna move on to number two,
A Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
This is one of my personal favorites. I don't know
about you guys, but as far as the franchises go,
somebody asked me, like, what is your favorite horror franchise
I think, hands down, anytime, I'm probably gonna pick a
Nightmare on Elm Street.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
Yeah, I think the original Nightmare is great. I think
some of the goofier ones kind of dragged down the
franchise a little bit. But yeah, the first one I'd
put up against any slasher movie.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
I mean, I was a big fan of Dream Warriors,
not the one where it started getting too ridiculous, but
the third one, the one where the girls in the
Issaan Asylum and everybody figures out that they can basically
use their lucid dreaming abilities to like astro travel and
fight back. Like maybe some people consider that one goofy,
but I don't know that was. If I pick a favorite,
I think that one's my personal favorite because it's got
one of those really really good scenes, the one where

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they make the kid look like the man or like
the entriloquist on me and they make them tendons or
whatever yep, and they make him walk out of the
door and throw himself off the building. Liked that one
has some of the best stats, and it has the
TV one where the girl gets grabbed and like smashed
into the TV like ah man, Dream Warriors. That's that's
probably my personal favorite, all right, So in this.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Article we're gonna talk about the original one. Though. So
the article says, no, there is never an actual child
killer who is haunting teenagers in their dreams. However, the
concept of Freddy Krueger came to a nightmail nightmare excuse
me on Elm Street director Wes Craven after he read
an article about a boy who died in his sleep

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after suffering petrifying night terrors. Quote. I've read an article
in the La Times about a family who had escaped
the killing fields in Cambodia and managed to get to
the US. He told Vulture magazine in twenty fourteen. Thanks
were fine, and then suddenly the young son was having
very disturbing nightmares. He told his parents he was afraid

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that if he slept, the thing chasing him would get him,
so he tried to stay awake for days at a time.
When he finally fell asleep, his parents thought the crisis
was over. Then they heard screams in the middle of
the night. By the time they got to him, he
was dead. He said, he died in the middle of
a nightmare. Here was a youngster having a vision of
a whore that everyone older was denying. That became the

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central line of a nightmare on Elm Street. Bueller, y'all
got anything on now?

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I like that.

Speaker 3 (53:40):
I didn't know that it actually stemmed from a true story.
I've never heard that, and I find that incredibly interesting
as someone who has terrific nightmares or they've mostly subsided.
But no, that's super cool.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
I always thought it was based on a child killer.
I didn't know it was based on a different story
completely honestly. And oh, I want to throw this in
there because this has been a conversation for debate. Have
you have you guys seen the newest night right now
the Street, the like remake one.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
Uh, the one from like ten or fifteen years ago?

Speaker 1 (54:12):
Yeah, probably about that Yeah, probably like mid two thousands.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
So I don't know if you guys caught this, but
it's something that I caught and maybe it's something I
just didn't notice as much in the originals, but in
the newer one, they play off the whole idea that
not only is he a child killer, but he's also
a pedophile. Like it gets more into like the creepy,
not interesting aspect. But in the old ones, they kind
of lamb more as a child killer, but they don't

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get into the whole like child molestation as aspect.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
It was kind of implied in the old one, like
the little girl. Yeah you're you're not just yeah, you're
not just gonna like kill all these little girls probably,
So yeah, I totally see what you're saying. Yeah, I
think it was kind of implied and the old one,
but uh yeah, they went penis deep in it noun
intended in the new one.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
Like for the new one, for me, like Freddy Krueger,
of course he's like a bad guy, but Joe was
kind of We're like, oh, he's like an interesting bad guy.
But for me, at least, when they added in the
newer one, the heavy component of him molesting the children,
it took away from like the coolness of Freddy to me,
Like yeah, like it kind of just was like, like
like I said, it may have been in the old ones,
it may have been implied, but as far as I remember, like,

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I don't remember that being like a key factor like
they played it in the new movie. And I think
that was the main reason that I was not a
fan of the new one, because it made Freddy like
less cool to me, you know, because they played up
on that too much.

Speaker 2 (55:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think, like you said, they made
it basically the driving force of the movie, and like
why the parents reacted the way they did and all that,
whereas all that was a lot more understated in the original.
Maybe that's, you know, a sign of the times, or
they just wanted to do something different, try to shock

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you in the new one. Who knows, but I hear
they're like working on a new Nightmare on ELM Street reboots,
so maybe they'll fix that in the new one.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
That scares me. I hate seeing remakes of stuff, like
they keep just shitting the bed with everything, and yet
they keep doing it, Like clearly enough of these remakes
A feeled that maybe you should try something new, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
All right, So we're gonna move on to number three,
and here you go, Shane the Conjuring.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I wish I had the bullshit button on this one,
so I'll just do it bullshit.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
So this goes. Though filmmakers took some creative liberties while
making the Conjuring Oh you don't say, The crux of
the story is based on the real life Roger and
Carolyn Perrin, who moved into sixteen seventy seven Round Top
Road in Rhode Island in nineteen seventy one and experience
some purported paranormal activities in the house. And While paranormal

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investigators Ed Warren, a self described demonologist Okay, his wife
Lorraine Warren, a clairvoyant and medium, play a large part
in the movie, they are not integral to the story
of the conjuring in real life. In fact, according to
the Providence Journal, Roger Parrin kicked them out of the
house when they came by. The film is based on

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books written by Andrea parent, the couple's oldest daughter, who
is old enough to remember the spooky happenings.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
I again, it's just all on bullshit. Yeah, bullshit. Anything
with the Warrens bullshit.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Well we've got some more Warrens, bullshit. Not sure. Annabelle
add and Lorraine Warren were also involved in the story
behind the movie. Annabelle. They believe that an antique Raggedy Andall,
was so haunted that they had to lock her up
in their occult museum in Monroe, Connecticut. The paranormal investigators
claim to have been summoned by a priest named father

(57:48):
Cook when two young women, Donna and Angie, wanted to
perform an exorcism to get rid of the spirit of
a dead seven year old girl named annabel Higgins, who
had inhabited their doll up until then. Donna and Angie
had been informed by a medium that Annabelle's spirit quote
was benevolent and simply wanted to be loved and cared

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for per all That's interesting dot com. Upon their arrival, however,
the Warrens explained to the young woman that they had
been ill informed and that Annabelle was quote in search
of a human host. The couple would go on to
order and exorcism and later move the doll to their
occult museum where she resides. Now, don't got anything on

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that one.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
Well, didn't I?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Matt Rych Yes, I was just about to say that.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
Her in the house, and I guess he's still up there.
I mean, I don't mind him, but I think a
lot of people do mind him.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
So we're talking about that on the show. We think
it's going to turn into a YouTube funhouse, because it's
really unfortunate that there's a lot of these old haunted
places that people buy out thinking that they're going to
turn it into this like giant money making game. But
what they end up doing is they buy the place,
they rig it up to be a haunted house, and
then you can never trust anything else again. Like one

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of the best haunted locations in Detroit was this place
called Elouise Asylum, and about five six years ago, a
haunted house bought Elouise Asylum. They do like a full
haunted house around October. Then the rest of the time
they do like tours and stuff like that, but it's
rigged as a haunted house, and now it's like you
can't trust it anything you might see the rest of
the year. It's like, all right, is it something rigged
up for the haunted house? Same thing I think is

(59:28):
what's gonna happen with the Warren's House. Not that I
think there was any validity to ninety percent of the
shit that the Warrens did, But now, especially with Matt
Rife and just being like a YouTube creator and stuff, like,
you're never gonna be able to trust anything that you see, Like,
you know, it's only a matter of time before he
has videos of like, oh, here's a live camera on
animal all the time, and if you watch it long enough,
you can see her move a little bit, you know,

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but little you know, they'll be a little string behind
her or.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
He'll be dead.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
I mean, we're gonna go one in two ways on
this one.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Well, I'm gonna hope for the best because I don't
wish death on anybody. But I mean, the last person
he tried to shovel with, Annabel, which we also covered
on the show, didn't end up making it out, so
I just wanted to throw that one out there. But
I mean, it is a Reggedy Andy doll or Reggedy
an doll, So I mean, I don't know, man, it's
scary all all on its own.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
What you can use his chisel jawline to fight off
the demons? There? Going?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
So go move on to number five, The Exorcism of
Emily Rose. And I've never actually seen this movie, so
if you guys have, maybe you can add some more
to this than I can.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
This was one of those ones that came out in
like the twenty tens era of scary movies, that there
was a lot of really good, solid stuff, but because
there was so much shit coming out, a lot of
good stuff kind of just got pushed away into like
the lump some of all the different horror movies that
are coming around around that time, and I think this
is one of them that's like a cult classic. They
came around around that time. But I know of the movie,

(01:00:50):
but I haven't personally seen it myself either.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Well, and I'm not like a huge fan of exorso exorcism,
excuse me movies in general. Like me and Jenny of
about this. I watched The Exorcist when I was like
eleven years old, and it scared the absolute shit out
of me, and like I refuse to watch it now,
and so I think, like by proxy, I just don't
like any of these type of movies.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I thought you were just gonna say that you just
didn't like the concept and thought it was kind of
lamb and stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
But no, it's a way less badass than that. I'm
just terrified.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
But I will say though, that they've been overkilling it
so much lately on extorcism movies that it's like, just
stop for a little bit and then come back around
to it. Like the zombie thing. You know, they got
to a point where they just beat people over the
head so hard with the zombie concept that nobody wanted
to see it anymore, like you got to back off
for a little bit. And I think that's what's happening
with extorcism movies, because how many movies have come out

(01:01:41):
recently with even like like the priest perspective of doing
extorcisms and stuff like. I can name like three of
them offhand, and I think two of them had Russell
Crow's the main character in both. Yes, that's what I'm
talking about in the past year, playing a priest in
both of them. So you mix up which movies which, yeah,
and they're.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
Vastly different movie all right, So we're going to jump
into this one. The chilling events in the Exorcism of
Emily Rose are nearly as frightening as the real life events.
The film is Lesslie based on. Emily Rose is based
on a nineteen year old named Annalise Michelle, who died
after almost seventy exorcism sessions in Bavaria, West Germany.

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
That sounds like abuse, and also they got the name
her a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
Michelle, who grew up in a hyper religious family, had
been diagnosed with schizophrenia and epilepsy as a teenager. However,
thanks took a dark turn where our convulsions turned into
hallucinations and she came to believe she was possessed. Michelle
then insisted on being exercised, and her parents sought help
or excuse me, Salt the help of father Arnold Wrenz

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and father Ernst Alt, who performed a host of exorcisms
beginning in September of nineteen seventy five. According to Collider quote,
Annalise was often in need of restraining, either by holding
her down or chaining her to a chair during the
hour long rituals. I think that's an odd use of
the word ritual there. The young team died on July first,

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nineteen seventy six, and her parents Anna and Joseph Michelle,
along with the clergymen, were charged with a neglect homicide
as she had stopped taking her medication and is found
to be malnourished and dehydrated. The exorcism of Emily Rose
follows the complicated court case of the Flour Adults, in
which judges had to debate the validity of their faith

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versus the facts of the case. All parties were found
guilty quote, but were given lenience, sentenced only to time
served and three months probation, so you can kill your
kid via exorcism and just get off because you had
faith in it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
So it depends on what country story there, because I
don't think you'll get away with it in the US
because there's been a lot of like demon defense in
the US and hasn't made it very far. But if
you're in South America, yeah, one hundred percent, Yeah, it'll definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:03:57):
This was Germany, it said, so they're doing some crazy
things over there too, though.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Well, I mean, look at all the weird stuff Germans
around too.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Well, oh, you should have chimed in earlier though, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
I was gonna let you tell the story. I have
seen the movie. My basic takeaway was the Exorcist scared
the shit out of me. So this did not phase me.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Well, the scariest part about the Exorcist is they use
real demons. So I mean, by watching it, are you
possibly invoking something? I mean, some people believe that it
is one of the one of the movies that's on
the top of the cursed list movies.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
So well, funny enough, that's the next one we're gonna
talk about. And there was a that shit crazy detail
in this that I just could not believe.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
Sit tight, guys. We got to pay some bills and
now back to the show, The number.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
Six, The Exorcist. Though the case didn't end as tragically
as Annealice Michelle's, the events behind the Exorcist are still fascinating.
Thirteen year old Ronald Doe was grief stricken over the
passing of his aunt Harriet, a spiritualist quote who taught
him many things, including how to use a Ouiji board.

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Following Harriet's death, the boy began experiencing strange happenings, hearing
scratching on the walls, seeing water mysteriously dripping from the pipes,
and most scary of awe, feeling his bed moving. His
parents sought the help of the Catholic Church, and Father
E Albert Hughes performed the first exorcism on Doe in

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February of nineteen forty nine. A few days after the ritual,
scratches spelling out Luis appeared on Doe's door or Doe's
body excuse me, and his mother took that to mean
that they needed to leave Maryland to get more help.
The family traveled to Saint Louis, where they were connected
to Father Walter H. Hallerin and Reverend William Bowerden from

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Saint Louis University who agreed to exercise young Roland. They
worked on the boy until April of that year, when
they finally revealed the devil possessing him had gone. Decades later,
it was revealed the young boy grew up to have
a completely normal adulthood. According to Vanity Fair, Ronald Doe

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was actually Ronald Edwin Hunkler, a NASA engineer who aided
in the sixty nine moon landing. His identity was only
revealed after he died in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
So we have a connection here that you know, somebody
from NASA is probably messing with something that they probably
shouldn't if you dive into all the Jack Parsons stuff
and somebody got possessed. Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Do we talk about the connections between the occult and science,
and you know, you'd think these two things are so removed,
But if you get so scientifically advanced, you're always going
to circle back around the occult and magic and things
of that nature.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
That reminds me of the whole thing that everybody says
that conspiracy eventually leads to faith and again science you
start diving in all these people that just want to
try to scrutinize anything that's spiritual whatsoever, and then they
start going full back around into this loop or they
start getting into you know, theoretical science, and then next
thing you know, you know, they're doing sigils and they're
doing all this other weird stuff. Because again, it's like

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anytime you get there's there's like levels of it. But
all of the scientists that are at like the highest
levels that are creating all of this stuff that doesn't
even seem logical how they could ever even come up
with it, are all dabbling in the occult. So then
the question comes back to the full circle idea of
is it even their idea in the first place, or are
they clearly invoking something that's giving them these ideas, so
then it would fit the idea of where they even

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thinking of this stuff in the first place. And then
a lot of these inventors will even say stuff like, oh,
it didn't feel like my idea just kind of popped
into my head, Like eh, put two and two together, man,
stuff starts getting real weird.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
Well, I've recently watched a documentary about this movie and
Linda Blair, the woman who played the little girl, she's
like in her I guess sixties. Now. She will talk
about some things and some real fucked up shit happened
on that set, and there are somethings she will not

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even talk about at all.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
So she said that movie starter for life, Like, if
I'm not mistaken, that bad scene where she's flipping around,
that was like one of the last scenes they filmed,
and she broke her spine while they're doing that.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Yeah, that's absolutely what she said happened.

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
And you know, we talk about like this is the
movie that what Pazuzu is the demon and so yeah,
we talk about like you know, giving names power and
like what sort of you know, secret not so secret
rituals conjurings were they trying to do by making this movie.
And just the fact that the little boy who this

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is based off of, who was allegedly possessed, ended up
working on the moonlanding is just fucking asinine to me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:58):
Crazy, Yeah, especially you dive into like Pazuzu again, he's
actually a real demon, and then you look into like
the images of him that they actually use in the
movie for the statues and stuff, and he's like this
wing demon. So it gets into this whole idea about
like flight, and then again this guy continues to go
on to work for nessa like I don't know, man,
maybe there's some connections, maybe there's maybe there's not, but
you know, I at least like to points the fout

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in the process of it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:20):
Yeah, well, I think this is the funnest one to
talk about on this list. But we're gonna move on
to number seven, which is Poultergeist. I know, one of
your favorites.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
I'm gonna look this up. Just for the sake of it.
I wonder what Pazuzu is supposed to be the demon of.
Just just just for shits and.

Speaker 3 (01:09:34):
Goods, I'll tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
All right, Well, I'm gonna read.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
He said he was a fearsome king of the Wind
demon bringing droughts and famine, but also a protective spirit
against other more malevolent demons, particularly the demons Lumashtu, who
threatened pregnant women and children. In modern pop culture, Bazuzu
is widely recognized as the possessing demon in the film
The Exorcist. But yes, so you already have the thing
of the the King of the winds demon. So I mean,

(01:10:01):
does that go into flight? I mean definitely possible. And
uhy for anybody that you know, may not know what
he looks like. Just because I already have it up,
might as well bring up a quick image. So there
you go. There's there's a little image of Pezuzi for
you guys. Now, anyways, back to getting into some horror
movie goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
All right, So we're gonna talk about Poulter guys. Now,
Steven Spielberg can conjure a gripping plot out of thin air. However,
for nineteen eighty two's The Poultergeist, the screenwriter had plenty
of material to work with. The film is based on
the real life happenings of the Herman House, which took
place in the fifties in Seaford, Long Island. One morning

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in February of nineteen fifty eight, James Herman received a
phone call from his freaked out wife Lucille, telling him
that strange things were happening in their home. Their teenagers,
who had reportedly heard inexplicable popping noises around the house,
later found caps of quote shampoo, bleach, and a veil
of holy water, all removed from their corresponding bottles. The

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family dismissed the spooky incident, and James even believed that
there might have been a weird chemical reaction that calls
the popping. The following weeks, however, the bizarre experiences escalated,
and so did their outreach, including to the police, who
were stumped too. The devout Catholics then turned to a priest,
but after he prayed over the house, things got quote

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more violent, with figures smashing, a bookcase with figure smashing
excuse me, and a bookcase falling over random The case
of the Seaford Poultergeist went national, and Life magazine published
an article about it after documenting seventy different incidents between
February third and March tenth of nineteen fifty eight. The

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Hermans vacated the suburban home. Anybody got anything on this one?

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
I got a fun fact.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
So in the last end scene of Poultergeist where they
have the water with all the bodies and every thing
in it, I don't know if I'm jumping ahead and
this was your fun fact, but those are real bodies.
They actually did use real bodies for that, and they
didn't tell the actors, so they didn't know until they
were already in a pool full of dead bodies. So
a little fun fact, true fear. They think that was
the what they were saying that they were trying to
go for. They didn't want to tell the actors because

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they wanted their true scared expressions. But a little bit
too much for me. I'd be pretty pissed if I
got thrown into a pool full of dead bodies, because
that's just acting for some type of asking for some
type of illness.

Speaker 3 (01:12:27):
Well, I love this movie just because I love it,
but I was a class I've heard about the Curse
of Paul track guy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah, this is like one of the most cursed movie
productions too, right, Yes, because.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
The oldest daughter, I can't her name's like Dominique. Her
real name's Dominique something. I don't remember what her name was.
In the show, the show, the movie, she was violent,
violently murdered by her boyfriend, strangled to death. They say
in the scene where it looks like she has hickeys
on her neck that those were actual like bruises from

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prior domestic violence. The little girl, Heather Rourke, I think
what's her name? She died also of some mysterious something.
Another there was a native No it wasn't. Then it
was a priest. The priest in the movie died, and
then some a Native American died in it, Like there

(01:13:27):
were all kinds of people who died as a movie.
I love it as people all dying. Hey, that's just terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Well, I mean the random illnesses maybe that could have
been caused from being around a bunch of, you know,
carcasses that they weren't aware were actually real carcasses. And
I mean maybe that's part of the curse, you know,
if they were actually taking these bodies and they were
doing whatever with them. I mean, you talk about the
whole like curse land idea. I mean ta talking taking
bodies and literally trying to film a movie with them.
I feel like you're asking for something to curse you,

(01:13:55):
you know. I feel like all of their issues all
come to them doing that scene in that partarticular way.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
All right, So we're going to move on to number eight,
which is the right And this is another movie that
I've never seen. Either of you seen this.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
I have seen this one, but it's again one of
those ones like, uh, there's just too many of them,
Like I can't. I can't think of which one exactly
this is because there's just so many priest exorcism movies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:20):
This is a short, little snippet, so we'll just breathe
through this one. The story of the Right is loosely
based on a book titled The Right, The Making of
a Modern Exorcist by Matt Bellaggio, though of course certain
aspects of the film were exaggerated for dramatic effect. The
true story goes like this, Father Gary Thomas had been
selected to train as an exorcist when he met journalist

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Matt Blaggio in an exorcism class. From there, Bellaggio followed
the priest as he traveled to Rome performing his new duty. Currently,
the real life Reverend Thomas serves as director of the
some Flick Ward I can't pronounce a year program at
Saint Patrick's Seminary and University in Menlo Park, California. So

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not much too unpacked there. But the next one on
the list is a heavy hitter. If y'all just want
to move on to that one, I'm good with that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Actually a little fun of fact, it's not really too
much really go with this one, But now that I'm
remembering the story. This priest, the actual guy that this
movie is based on, he makes his runs on podcasts,
So maybe that's one that might be kind of interesting
to have on the show one day, because yeah, now
that I've connected to And two, this guy does pop
up on podcasts. I think he's been on The Confessionals before,
if I'm being honest with you.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Really, m that's pretty crazy. But all right, so we're
gonna move on to number nine, The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.

Speaker 1 (01:15:40):
This one's my most favorite based on a true story.
Fuck up, Well, we're going.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
To talk about that a little bit, all right. So
much of what happens in The Texas Chainsaw Massacre is disturbing,
in particular the character of Leatherface, the menacing basement dwelling
killer who eats people and wears their faces after killing them.
And while let's face himself didn't exist, his traits were
based on serial killer Ed Gean, who was quote known

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for exhooming corpses from graveyards and making mementos with their
bones and Skinmy.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Good news is Hoppy's too small. He wouldn't be able
to make nothing out of him besides maybe a coin purse.

Speaker 6 (01:16:22):
Cannibal so the publin has now entered the chat, but
at some point the fourth co host has to make
some type of appearance, so I guess to already throw
this one in there.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
The name is completely wrong with the based on a
true story. Didn't happen in Texas. Was it Iowa that
actually happened in for the ed Gean story, Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
We just watched, but we haven't. Yeah, it was some
midwestern in place like that, like Iowa, Indiana, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
So the state's already wrong. There was no chainsaw involved whatsoever.
The whole story on why a chainsaw became involved was
because the direct at one point went to a hardware
store and there was a chain saw they didn't have
a chain on it, and he sparked it up, and
he said that everybody started looking around like they were horrified,
and he realized that that sound scares the shit out
of people. So that's why I used it for the movie.
So also ed Gean did not use the chainsaw. And

(01:17:15):
then Massacre ed Gean was somebody who would go around
and basically steal dead bodies out of out of you know,
out of graveyards and stuff like. I think he only
actually murdered like one or two people and that was
the yeah, or that was around the time that he
actually got caught, so massacre also not true. So this
is one of those ones that's really funny that I

(01:17:36):
remember as a kid growing up, you'd always see the
text chance on Masker based on a true story, and
you're like, damn, that's horrifying. But then a second you
realize that the only component that's based on a true
story is him making stuff out of people's skin. It
becomes a lot less horrifying. And once you add in
the fact that he didn't even kill the people to
make stuff out of their skin, it loses all potency

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of being scary whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
But that's just actually watched Texas Chainsaw this year, and
I think it holds up. I thought it was surprisingly
worn't for like a you know, fifty six old low
budget movie, like it's pretty decent.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
I thought, oh, yeah, it's fantastic as a movie. But
my only thing that I would have recommended for them
filming it, or not even filming it, but in general
putting the movie out was to take away that little
component that says based on a true story, because just
because you took one little detail doesn't mean you have
to say the whole movie is, because at that point,
why don't we have based on a true story for
an Amaron Elmstreet or other movies like that. It's just
it's not neat to know she just left it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
In the seventies or whatever, people weren't fact checking things
like they are.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
You know how long this probably went that people thought
ed Gean was literally like this guy until probably the
Internet people are really research I kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:46):
Did too until here recently. And yet we watched a
couple episodes of The ed Gean Show and then I
read like the entire Wikipedia page just thinking he was
like this notorious serial killer because he always gets lumped
in with Damer and shit. And I was like, you said,
this guy killed only quote unquote two people, So I mean, yeah,
if you don't like dive into the case, you would

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think he killed, like you said, went on a massacre,
and he really didn't. He was just really weird and
fucked up.

Speaker 1 (01:19:14):
I mean he was Obviously they weren't really like categorizing
things as good back in the seventies, but obviously this
guy was on the slower side. And what ended up
kicking it off was he was one of those guys
that had an obsession with his mother, and once his
mother passed away, he was just basically in this house
by himself, and that's when he started doing this weird stuff.
He was just a slow guy with a mother obsession,

(01:19:36):
and when his mom passed away, he just kind of
went off the deep end because he didn't have anybody
correcting him. So even off of that, it's like the
story isn't scary. It's more like sad than anything that
they just kind of left this guy that clearly needed
his mom to live just alone in this house. Like
of course, you know, something bad is inevitably gonna happen.
It's either gonna happen to him or somebody else, and
unfortunately it happened to two people that really you know this,

(01:19:59):
if the city would have kept and eye on this guy,
they would have known that he probably was not best
who have been left by himself.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
And that's another just kind of sign of the times thing.
I mean, it's a different world back then as far
as like mental health than you know, mental disabilities and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
So I mean, even doing a police check out, man,
I feel like they would have smelled it from outside.
There's no way this guy could have gotten away with
this stuff for months and not had some type of
smell coming out of that house.

Speaker 2 (01:20:23):
You would certainly think. So. All right, So go move
on to number ten, which is The Strangers. Uh okay.
So this Brian Bertino thriller is an amalgamation of three
separate real life events. First, and perhaps most obvious, the
fictional thriller draws inspiration from the Manson Families home invasion

(01:20:43):
and murder of Sharon Tate and her friends Jay Sebring,
Abigail Folder and Wadjcheck Fraikowski, as well as a Stephen
parent who was visiting the homes caretaker.

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
And I think one of them is pregnant too, so
you can also add a baby in there too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
I don't know if Sara who was pregnant. The Strangers
also incorporates parts of the Kady I believe it is
how it pronounced k E D d i E Cabin murders,
reports screen Rant, And we've talked about different screen Rant
articles on the show before, in which four people were
killed in the small resort town in California. That case

(01:21:21):
went cold as the murderers were never Caught Lastly, Bertino
also drew inspiration from his own childhood for the movie.
The famed director once got spooked by a group of
strangers who knocked on his door when he was home
alone one day and asked for someone who didn't reside there.
Though he later learned the perpetrators were robbing houses whose
occupants weren't present, the incident left an unforgettable mark on

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the future director, and he used the incident as part
of his film.

Speaker 1 (01:21:48):
I was really hoping that would turn into a Black
Eyed Kids story. I was really crossing my fingers and
open for the best. There No Strangers was inspired by
the Black Eyed Kids, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
So the next one is number eleven Winchester. And this
is a movie I had never even heard of before
I saw this art.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
It's worth watching once. I wouldn't say it's like anything
like great, but if you like paranormal movies, it's worth
watching at least once. I'd say, have you heard of
this one?

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
We never heard of this now, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
So it kind of takes its own liberties on a lot,
but just the story for the most part's pretty good.
Like I said, it's worth watching at least once.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
All right. In twenty eighteen, Helen Mirren portrayed the troubled
Sarah Winchester, a real life heir to a gun making
empire who helmed one of the most bizarre home renovations
in history. As the story goes, Sarah is married to
rifle manufacturer William Wirt Winchester. The couple welcomed a daughter,

(01:22:45):
who died due to a childhood illness. William followed some
years later due to tuberculosis. Following the loss of her husband,
Sarah moved from New Haven, Connecticut to San Jose, California,
where she bought an eight bedroom and farmhouse and began
her infamous renovations. From eighteen forty four till her death
in nineteen twenty two, Sarah would continue making additions to

(01:23:08):
the property, which now stands at twenty four thousand square
feet with one hundred and sixty rooms, ten thousand windows,
two thousand doors, forty seven stairways, and a fireplace and more.
Now known as the Winchester Mystery House. Rumors of paranormal
activity have swirled around the property, so much so that

(01:23:31):
the Winchester management team had quote a parapsychological and paranormal
investigator named Christopher Checombe conduct a full scale scientific assessment
back in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
So you'll learn just to throw in some fun facts,
I guess about the Winchester house. So the main component
to the story is basically they state that the reason
that she did this, and honestly, this was kind of
a superstition with the whole family Winchester is Winch rifles.
So the family had a whole thing about anybody that's
died by their rifles. They felt like they haunted their family.

(01:24:07):
So it became part of this whole motif that the
reason why they built the weird aspects of this mansion
was to be able to house these spirits. But this
is where like the kind of yeah, this is kind
of where the miscommunication kind of came in. So it
wasn't until I think relatively recently that somebody really started
like diving into some of the articles and stuff that
she wrote while she was actually starting to do all

(01:24:28):
this renovations and everything to the house. But you know,
of course they're kind of pushing it off to the
side because they're still making money off of this house.
But basically, the reason that she said that she did
all this stuff to the house was that she was
really really interested in interior design, and she had such
expendable income because again, the Winchester rifles is ridiculous fortune,
that she would basically continuously try out these new architecture ideas,

(01:24:49):
these new things, and she would kind of just play
it off because she was a woman and at the time,
people weren't really looking at women to be able to
do these types of things. So she was essentially using
the mansion as trial and error to try out new
architectural ideas. But the mixture of that her not really
talking to many people kind of keep into herself being
somewhat of a recluse. And then the family already having
the stories going around that they were afraid of everybody

(01:25:12):
that's been killed by a Winchester rifle haunting them, this
house came took on this whole motif of being this
haunted house and all this stuff, which of course I
still put some you know, I put thought into the paranormal,
Like I definitely think that it's possible that if people
are killed by Winchester rifles, maybe they'll haunt the mansion.
But you know, I think the root of the story
is basically that she just wanted to do something interesting,

(01:25:32):
and people just kind of blended all this folklore together
and now you have this idea of what the Winchester
House is, and if you kind of break it apart
and kind of shift through the mess a little bit,
you realize that Unfortunately, it's one of those things that,
as cool as it is, I don't really think there's
too much to it unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
Yeah, that was kind of my takeaway from just reading
this snippet. I don't think there's a whole lot to
this one paranormal just on the surface, but this next
one I think is super interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:25:56):
But the movie, I will say, like I said, worth
watching once if you're into paranormal stuff. It does do
jump scares that kind of gets you into like the
motif of it. But the cool part is they play
into the fact that she was building all these rooms
for the different spirits, So every room in the movie
is like a little bit different for each spirit, and
she also tries to make them where the spirits will
get confused and not know how to find her. But

(01:26:16):
it's pretty cool they play it into that idea that
almost every room has like a different spirit in it. So,
like I said, worth watching. One spirit in a pair
of normal stuff that isn't jump scares, but kind of
gets you into the ambiance of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
You want to have to check that one out there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Yeah, all right, guys, this is our last break, so
hold on tight.

Speaker 2 (01:26:43):
And now back to the show. All right. So number
twelve is The Birds.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
Ooh classic yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
Part of what made Alfred Hitchcock's The Birds so fascinating
was how unbelievable the story was. Even more intriguing is
the fact that the film is partially based on true events.
While it's widely known the movie was based on Daphne
du Maurier's short story of the same name, a freak

(01:27:10):
incident taking place in California two years prior to the
film's premiere also serves as inspiration. Back in nineteen sixty one,
residents of Capitola woke up to find that hordes of
black seabirds were slamming into cars, windows, and people's homes
and dying. The freak incident naturally made the news. Decades later,

(01:27:32):
scientists would confirm that the seabirds have been affected by
a demi demoic I guess it would be pronounced domoic acid.
Which is quote a naturally occurring poison made by a
marine philoplankton called pseudo Nitzchia. Per the History Channel, the

(01:27:53):
poison can cause disorientation, seizures, and death. Done done done,
dun dundune.

Speaker 1 (01:28:00):
I had to at least get one in per show, Right,
I had.

Speaker 3 (01:28:02):
No idea that was based on something true. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, I thought that was a really interesting one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
Yeah, I had no idea either, to be honest with you,
I thought it was just one of those you know,
like that the classic movies, you didn't need to have
like a super complex idea, but you could make a
good movie out of it because everything was original back then.
I thought it was just one of those you know,
somebody had like an experience with like a bird swooping
on him and they turned it into a movie. I
didn't think that there was really much to it besides
just at the time, you know, not having to put

(01:28:27):
as much complexity into a horror story to write something original,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:30):
Yeah, that's something we've been talking about a lot this
Halloween season as we've been watching a bunch of horror movies.
We've watched more current and newer movies this year than
we have in years past. And this idea that like
now a horror movie can't just be a horror movie,
Like it's got to be something else and a horror movie,
like you've got to have this you know, social comments,

(01:28:54):
this social commentary, or you've got to like have a
manifestation on grief and the effects of grief on people.
And no, grief is the real monster, Like we've lost
just being able to have like a simple horror movie.
And I think that's why the terrifier movies are so popular.
They're just fucking horror movies, Like you're not trying to

(01:29:14):
beat people over the head with some larger idea or agenda.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
No, I can definitely agree with that. One thing that
I've noticed a lot with like older film versus newer film,
And I guess this can kind of play into what
you guys are saying a bit is that with the
older stuff, they didn't rely as much on you know,
computer effects and all that type of stuff, so they
had to take more time to write, like a good story,
not something that you know, has all these like double
messages or like all this stuff, just like a good

(01:29:40):
solid like here's a story. Like with some good twists,
some good turns, Like the story writing was a lot different.
Like I wish that the newer movies had the ability
to kind of do that, because now instead of coming
up with good original stories, they just remake old stuff
and then just change a couple components, thinking that you know,
you're not gonna guess what happens next. Like I missed
the days when it wasn't just like, all right, we're

(01:30:01):
gonna make a horror movie. Our set focus is as
much more as possible. I miss the days when it
was like, all right, here's a good story, and then
let's fill in the rest afterwards, Like because I feel
like that's what all these good original you know, horror
movie franchise started on, was a good solid story and
then they built up from there. And even the effects
of practical effects versus CGI. I don't know about you guys,

(01:30:21):
but maybe it's just because we're part of that generation.
But the practical effects may look a little goofier, but
in your brain, to me, like I connect them as
being more realistic. So like the older stuff looks goofier,
but it feels more.

Speaker 2 (01:30:34):
Real, yeah, because your brain can always discern something that's
not fucking real. Like I talk about that all the
time when we watch movies like now that you're not
allowed to have like animals in movies, like oh my god,
that's the fakest looking line I've ever seen and just
like takes you out of the entire movie. So, Yeah,
it doesn't matter how good visual effects get, it's never

(01:30:57):
gonna be as convincing as a practical effect that is
a real thing that exists in the fucking real world.

Speaker 1 (01:31:02):
Which I'm glad that it seems like there's starting to
be a revival of people going back to that first
one being like of like a newer, notable film that
actually took the opportunity to do this alien romulus. I
guess you can still kind of consider that horror. It's
like a horror sci fi but horr. Yeah, Like Disney
wanted to do all CGI all this stuff, and the
director of that was basically like, no, I'm doing practical effects.

(01:31:22):
I'm doing it how the originals kind of wanted to
do it, And he basically put that hard line in
the sand and basically said like if you are going
to make me use or use the CGI and stuff like,
I'm not gonna do it. So he tried to do
everything he could to just use practical effects. And what
happened with that movie, Dude, it had an awesome turnout.
Everybody said, it's one of the best looking alien movies,
all of that shit. So with the modern day technology

(01:31:42):
that we have, instead of focusing on trying to do
stuff the easier way we green screen it, we have
better effects to make practical effects look better now. So
I'm glad that again there's this revival that we're pushing
back towards that because people are realizing that it doesn't
matter how good the CGI gets, nothing compares to having
some type of practical effect in front of you, even
if it's just like, you know, you're pulling a body

(01:32:04):
apart in a horror movie and the blood's splattering at you, like,
it's never going to look as good if you're doing
it with a computer. Then if you did, if you
have something that blows up in the person's face and
you really get that real effect of like splash and everything,
like oh man, practical effects man like eighties, that was
like the epitome of horror in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
Yeah, I mean the Jurassic Park movie that came out
three months ago still doesn't look as good as the
one that came out.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
That's what I'm saying three years ago, you know. And
if you remember, dude, when they were transporting those dinosaurs,
do you remember people like freaking out because they were
seeing those things on the freeway and they thought they
were like real dinosaurs and stuff. I mean, talk about
a product of the time. Only back in the nineties
could you take practical effect dinosaurs on the freeway and
people would actually think that they may potentially be a
real dinosaur. But nowadays, man, you just have a UFO

(01:32:49):
for a movie and you drive that down the highway
and everybody's gonna freak out. It's gonna be all over
the internet. So just transfer the means, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
So we've gone a little long, so I'm gonna kind
of braze through this last.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
And I did have some fun facts, but I put
it down to one so to wrap everything up, at
least I got one good fun fact. I want to
close everything on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Sorry, So this is a number thirteen, which is scream
after a catching wind of the horrific Gainesville murders, which
took place back in August of nineteen ninety. Screenwriter Kevin Williamson,
who I believe is from North Carolina if I'm not mistaken,
couldn't shake the idea that there was a knife wielding
serial killer after him, so he transformed his anks into

(01:33:30):
a blockbuster screenplay, much like the events in the movie.
Danny Rowling dubbed the Gainesville Ripper, targeted college students and
a killing spree that became a nationwide sensation.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
Kind of weird timing. I just listened to a podcast
about that the other day, and they're draking down that
whole story. It's pretty interesting. I mean, I feel like
that's one of the ones that's like actually relatively close
to what they based it on, because basically, this kid
just had this tumultuous childhood and he got to a
point where he was living out in the woods, splitting
a tent, and he was living my college campus. Started
watching him and then he just started going in and
killing people and just pretty much like the motif of Scream.

(01:34:06):
I feel like that one was relatively close.

Speaker 2 (01:34:08):
So well, guys, I apologize for going late long on
this one. I thought that there was some fun stuff
to unpack there and some fun conversations to have, but yeah,
that's all I've got for this horror movie real life
evince thing. If y'all don't have anything else to add
to this section of the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
Well I think that was good. I have one fun
fact before we completely start closing stuff up. So again,
I originally had a list, but this is a really
really good one that I feel like kind of fits
into the conversation and I feel you guys might be
interested in and it's perfect for Halloween. So forty one
percent of Americans believe that ghosts exists. A you gov
poll conducted in twenty twenty one found that forty one

(01:34:48):
percent of Americans believe that ghosts exists, and twenty percent
of Americans say that they've encountered have have had an
encounter with one. About as many as forty three percent
believe that demons really exis, and thirty one percent believe
that other supernatural beings exist. Additionally, nine percent believe that
were wolves exist and eight percent believe that vampires exist.

(01:35:09):
But I wanted to point out the fact that forty
one percent believe that ghosts exists and forty three percent
believe the demons exist, So there are more people that
believe the demons exist than ghosts exists, and I thought
that would be flip left. If I'm being honest with you, Well,
I think.

Speaker 2 (01:35:22):
You have to factor in Christians into that that's true.
You know, for all of the you know, we're you know,
a more secular society than we've ever been, there's still
a lot of religious people out there, even if they're
not super duper practicing. So I think that kind of
makes sense in a nutshell, Like if you ask someone

(01:35:43):
who's even nominally a Christian, like, hey, do you believe
in ghosts? They might be, oh, no, that that's that's weird,
a cult shit, But do you believe in oh yeah,
hell yeah no pun intended. So I don't know. I
think that kind of makes sense to me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
The funny part is, I think we fall into the
awkward nine percent in the percent that believe that where
wolves and vampires exist, but.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
We just don't.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Yeah, I think it's a matter of context. Yeah, Like
we were saying, like were wolf, you know, anybody has
an experience with a dog man with no contacts is
gonna go, yeah, I saw a fucking were wolf, So
you know, I put some validity into that. And as
we talked about in our recent episode with vampires. The
more you dive into the ancient lore and you break
away from you know, the bram Stoker Dracula law, the
more validity there, weirdly is to it, and especially once
you start diving into just the aspect of like how

(01:36:26):
apex predators work, that eventually there's gonna be something that
tops like. I don't think they gave much context with this,
but you know, we're part of that nine and eight percent,
So I don't know if that's a good thing or
a bad thing, but hey, we're there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:38):
Like I said on our episode a couple of weeks ago,
vampires is Nephelum's.

Speaker 1 (01:36:42):
Yeah, Ainy're wrong there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
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for the show on any podcatcher or video content website
whatever it happened to be that you happen to use.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
And you can share the show with your friends or
family or even your enemies if you're interested in doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
And every single thing that we mentioned is all available
on the link tree, which is available down in that
show description, and as usual, I have been the one
that they refer to as Shane Squatch.

Speaker 3 (01:39:16):
Oh and I'm Jess Jenny.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Simply Jenny. I think we just to call you Paranormal
Jenny if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
Paranormal Jenny, Jenny from the Block, Jenny Jenney Hoppy, the Goblin,
the Goblin all of our Instagram followers will know.

Speaker 2 (01:39:30):
And I'm the big bad dude. I'm Boo Daddy Orne Felix.

Speaker 1 (01:39:33):
And from all of us around here, we of course
have to wish you guys a happy Halloween, scaredy pan
Happy Halloween scaredy pants. So for all you guys that
are going on with the kids tonight, don't steal too
much of their candy. And of course, always always, like
we always say on every single show, don't forget to
always always stay bizarre. Bizarre.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Bizarre Vampires is nephilins Hi.

Speaker 1 (01:40:00):
I'm the wicked leader.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
Fuck you carry your death

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