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The Big Debate: Do MMA Skills Belong in Traditional Martial Arts?
In this episode of Black Belt Banter, we tackle one of the most controversial questions in today’s martial arts world: Should MMA techniques be part of traditional martial arts training?
We break down the benefits, risks, and misconceptions behind integrating modern combat skills into classical systems. And we discuss a major reason many traditional school owners hesitate: they fear MMA training might dilute the life-skill development that traditional martial arts are built on—skills like respect, discipline, focus, attention span, and character-building that parents value deeply. Many owners worry that adding MMA could shift the culture, increase roughness, or distract from the structured environment they’ve spent years cultivating.
If you’re a school owner, instructor, or passionate practitioner, this episode will push you to rethink how tradition and modern training can coexist.
Tune in for a bold, insightful debate that may reshape how you view martial arts education.
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SPEAKER_01 (02:22):
In this week's episode, we'll discuss the
topic (02:24):
Should MMA techniques be part of traditional martial arts
training?
Welcome to Black Belt Banter,the best podcast to help your
martial arts school increaseprofits and generate substantial
revenue.
I'm Jimmy Hong, and my co-hostis Master Chan Lee.
Today, we're joined by one ofthe most respected striking
(02:47):
coaches in mixed martial arts,Coach Eddie Cha from Fight Ready
Gym in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Coach Eddie has worked with someof the UFC's biggest names,
including Henry Sehudo, theKorean Zombie, Chan Song Jung,
Zhang Wei Li, and DavisonFigueredo, and countless more,
helping them refine theirstand-up game, elevate their
(03:10):
fight IQ, and perform atchampionship level.
Known for his chess-likeapproach to striking, Coach
Eddie teaches fighter how todisguise their intention through
feints, timing, and precision,what he calls the art of smoke
and mirrors.
Let's jump right into it.
Coach Eddie, welcome to theshow.
(03:31):
Your martial arts background isrooted in Taekwondo, a very
traditional discipline.
How did that foundation lead youinto the world of MMA and
eventually coaching at thehighest level in UFC?
SPEAKER_03 (03:45):
What's up, guys?
First of all, thank you forhaving me.
The legendary Master Chan Leeand Master Jimmy Hong.
I've one, I'm Korean, so I Ithink Taekwondo is a part of our
culture, which I love.
The the footwork, the feints, Ithink a lot of that we integrate
into uh into MMA.
And I think every style hassomething to offer.
(04:06):
That's why it's Mitch martialarts as MMA, right?
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
I I love Taekwondo Well, speaking of Taekwondo, I
mean we have okay, so astraditional martial arts school
owners, many of us seem hesitantto incorporate MMA techniques
into our systems.
Why do you think that hesitationexists?
(04:31):
And what's like the real fearbehind blending modern MMA
techniques with traditionalmartial arts curriculum?
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think people I think that's the key word is
tradition.
They don't want to breaktradition.
And but I mean realistically,some of the rules I feel like
they're not practical for s forself-defense.
And so you do have to integrateacross the technology, you guys
don't punch in the face,obviously.
That's a big difference inself-defense.
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You're gonna have to hit thechin, temple, or back of the
hand to take the knockdown todefend yourself.
And so they in order to evolveand actually use actual
practical self-defense moves,you you have to add a little bit
more traditional right.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Hey and obviously being a traditional martial
artist myself, you're learninglike horse riding stance, you
know, opcooby, decubi, all thedifferent stances, and it's not
like you're gonna do any ofthose stances in a real fight,
right?
It's good body mechanics tolearn.
And being a traditional teacher,I think it's a good way for kids
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to to start martial arts.
But later on, there's a there'sa in my opinion, there's an
application piece.
And I remember when UFC firstcame out, everybody was like, oh
my gosh, what is this?
And it was a big curiositybecause it was like, is Tekwondo
better than karate?
Is karate gonna be judo?
Is uh jujitsu?
At that time, no one knewanything about jiu-jitsu or even
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Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and theystarted changing and and you had
to be intermixed with it.
And you know, the way I view itis traditional taekwondo teaches
you the basics, but then whenyou have to apply it, right, you
have to look at MMA and some ofthe places that they're field
testing.
It's like a field testing ofthese real techniques like
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punches.
Do you feel that some Tekwondotechniques have some
practicality in MMA?
Or is there some things that youcan take from Tekwondo into MMA?
Kind of reverse engineering thequestion a little bit?
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Yeah, of course.
I think of Tekwondo, the rangeis beautiful.
To me, distance and timing ismore important than speed and
power.
And Tekwondo practitioner hasreally amazing distance.
Like your your cousin, MasterTay, you know, the the the
distance control that he didwhen we played around in
Wisconsin a little bit.
You saw John Jones use a backkick against Stepe and finish
him with one back kicking move.
(06:57):
Uh you know it's a great backkick, but you know if you see
technology heavyweights throwback kicks, it's phenomenal,
right?
Um those are definitelyfinishing moves.
Uh I think they they're they'rethey can go orthodox boards,
Southpaw, Tekwondo practitionersswitch dance quite a bit too.
Tekwondo has great feats.
Um so there's a lot of moves Ithink they can use.
SPEAKER_00 (07:19):
Technology So knowing that, then Tekwondo
school owners should think thatthey have some basics of what
can be used in a real-worldfight or a real world outfit a
thing.
I I think the the moves that youuse are field tested, right?
So being able to kind of takethose moves and apply it in in a
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classroom setting is is verypractical.
Um, what are some suggestionsthat you have?
Like if if you had a guy thatjust done traditional taekwondo
for 20 years and all of a suddenyou're like, okay, here's some
stuff that you can apply in yourdojong.
What what would your suggestionbe?
SPEAKER_03 (07:56):
I would say definitely working on your
hands.
Boxing is a nice complement ofyour kicks and things like that.
Um, it's fun.
Uh it builds coordination,agility, hand speed.
Um, it can close the gap.
With once you throw one kick,you're gonna be right here.
And so this is where the handsand kicks, the hands come into
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play.
And so I'm a little biased, butthen again, like you say, being
field tested, we've triedeverything.
We've had people, black belttechno guys come in.
Um, you know, Korean Zombie wasa black belt techno, Anthony
Pettis, he won a UFC belt, he'sa technobillo artist.
Uh, Benson Henderson's also uhblack belt technology as well.
(08:39):
And so, but uh just compilationof a little bit of everything.
But I think boxing reallycomplements kickboxing or
technobill.
SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
But can I can I just say it's very cool that we're
you're doing our podcast rightat your gym and there's like
activity going on in thebackground because child?
This is like I think one of ourpodcasts that we have actual
live gym studio in thebackground going on.
That's your gym in Scottsdale,Arizona.
Is that is am I correct?
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
I wish I'd done it a little earlier.
We had sparring for the fightteam, but they probably don't
want to be filmed.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Who is your next fighter that we could see on TV
with Shaw that's coming up?
SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
Tracy Cortez, she's fighting Aaron Blackfield.
It's a top 10 fight.
Uh Blackfield is ranked numberfour.
She fights the Saturday, andHenry Sehudo fights December
6th.
So his might be the last fight,so we're calling it the last
dance.
Or he's calling it the lastdance.
SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Wow.
I mean, both of them, TracyCortez and Henry.
I mean, they're I mean, Tracy isvery well known now.
She has a lot of followers, abig fan base, and Henry is
Henry.
Everybody knows Henry.
Those are two big fights comingup, coach.
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
The whole gym is excited aboutit, and hopefully they they both
get some W's.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
What's amazing is the transformation of Henry,
right?
I mean, he was known as awrestler, right?
Olympic medalist, and now he haslike knockout power and has some
abilities striking.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat transformation.
How, how, how, how did hetransfer from like becoming just
like this great wrestler to areally good striker?
SPEAKER_03 (10:19):
Henry's a student of the game.
I mean, the Olympic gold medalis such an accomplishment.
Anything he puts his mind to, hehe learned so, so fast.
The first fight I worked with inwas during COVID, Dominic Cruz
fight when he won a world title.
And our goal is to throw seven,land seven leg kicks in the
first round.
Not even punched, becauseDominic Cruz is very elusive.
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He uses kind of the rope-a-dotemovement.
And we had a Napoleon change.
We were supposed to fight JoseAldo.
Then a month in, we got injured.
We only had three, four weeks toprepare for Dominic Cruz.
Me, Dominic Cruz is one of thebest bantuweists of all time.
It was a hard puzzle to figureout.
But Henry, I mean, he alreadyknew how to kick.
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But if you go and watch thatfight, like literally put on a
clinic, tiny one to go.
I think that's the most kicksthat's ever done.
It was okay.
So the guy could just adapt tothe pick.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
So what what's your philos what's your philosophy on
striking?
Obviously, you're the headstriking coach and head MMA
coach over at Fight Ready, andyou have a stable of you know
UFC fighters.
What are some like, you know,from an amateur that is learning
basic striking and so forth, arethere some like hard and fast
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rules you're like throw X amountof combinations, know the
basics?
What are some things that youwould you would say to a
beginner of learning MMAstrikes?
SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
For me, I would depending on what age they are.
So there's some guys that arealready have a couple fights as
an amateur or they're amid-level pro, and then how old
are they?
So you have to kind of fasttrack things.
If they're 13 years old, thenthey should just train as much
as possible, enjoy the ride,kind of pick two, three styles
that you need to do real crappy,uh, whether it be wrestling,
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judo, background, or whatever itmay be, and then you pick your
striking concepts, whether it beboxing, kickboxing, boy thai,
you know, techno, karate,anything.
But for me, we we always kind ofgo because it it's a short-lived
career.
So say they're 25 years old,that you have to fast track it.
So what's my fastest way to getto point A to point B?
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You gotta kind of map out thecareer, so to speak, a little
bit.
And how fast can I get there?
What's the fastest way?
So for us, we always recommendwrestling has to be a base.
Because if you can't defend atakedown, then you're gonna lose
every round.
Um, you have to have minimum ofa blue, purple belt, jujitsu,
otherwise you get takes you getyou can get a takedown and get
submitted.
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And then well, what are yougonna pick for your feet?
You know, so a lot of guys kindof integrate boxing at boy thai,
goes to like the comment two.
SPEAKER_01 (13:50):
I'm sorry, I I I got a question then.
Going going back into going backinto the traditional curriculum,
traditional technique versusthose techniques that you're
talking about with other arts.
My I have a tick one, obviouslyI have a tick one-no background.
What are your thoughts aboutlike horse riding?
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Like we all grew we all grew updoing force riding stance on
every class, long stance, downblock with with punches from the
waist, these traditional,outdated that I've never used,
by the way, in in self-defenseor in a in a fight that I've
ever been to.
I've never used thosetechniques.
What are your thoughts on that,Coach Eddie?
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On on school owners teachingthat that that that rigid horse
running stands middle punchoutdated.
I don't know if if outdated is aword, but that traditional
curriculum that every class istaught for five minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
You want me to be the bad guy?
I want this to be the mostcontroversial episode of
podcasts ever.
That's my goal on this podcast.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
I think a horse riding stance is a good training
tool, right?
You're you're almost in asquatting stance.
Um, so you're developing yourlegs, good posture for pusses
and stuff like that.
But I think for practicality, ofcourse, you're not going to get
in a horse riding stance whenyou try to spar.
Even a techwal, you guys don'tgo in a horse riding stance when
you're ready to spar, right?
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Um it's so I think that says itall.
Realistically.
Why do we why do we teach itthen?
Well, you guys are the techwindthe masters.
SPEAKER_02 (15:30):
But let's ask Master Lee.
Well Master Lee, why do we teachit then?
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
I I think it's a great way to teach basic body
mechanics and learning kids howto stay still.
I mean, I still teach the basicsof it, but I don't spend a lot
of time on it.
I mean, maybe three minutes whenI have new students that have
never thrown a punch, we go tohorse riding stands and we get
them started that way so theycan just focus on how to throw
the punch.
And then full disclosure here, II've been training in coach
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Eddie Cha's methods for the lastdecade.
You know, I I first learned itfrom one of his students, and
then I also picked it up on someother things as well.
And we went immediately goinginto a self-defense stance and
then teaching your yournumbering system, the one, two,
threes, four, five, six, the jabcross hooks, and then the
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uppercuts.
And then we immediately putthose into a combination.
And so when we so we pretty muchmostly eliminated the horse
riding stance and got into likea guarding stance, and then
we've been teaching of the thebasics.
So a lot of my white yellowbelts know the one, twos, the
three, fours, and the fivesixes, and we we put them into a
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sequence there.
The other thing I I really enjoyabout you know a coach's system
is the 10 ways to move yourhead, right?
That that's something we don'treally teach in tech quality.
We we teach how to block, but Inever thought, okay, how do you
move your head from a strike?
So incorporate incorporatingthat with the with the striking
is just brilliant.
And then obviously all thedifferent blocks, the covers,
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right?
Or I think you call themcatches, right?
And then doing doing that isjust a full complement of
realistic blocking.
Um, but to me, I I think there'ssome value in in doing it.
I won't be the bad guy, I'll bethe uh the middle of the road
guy.
I think you still have to teachthe basic mechanics of it.
Um, you're you're working withFerraris, right?
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We're working with like basicamateur people that civilians
that'll probably never end upgetting into a fight in their in
their life, but they've neveractually thrown a real punch
ever.
And being able to make sure thattheir fist is correct and making
sure that they know they have topunch with the first two
knuckles, they have to turn thehand over when they throw the
punch, all those basics.
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I think there is some value init, but then to overdo it, if
you're still doing it in yourintermediate belts, like blue
and and greens and and uh andreds, I we pretty much have
eliminated that in our classesfor those those students, and
we've adopted your stuff intointo what we do.
And so, yeah, it's great in thebeginning, but I think it's also
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I think more people will findit's it's more engaging because
once you start hitting mitts andyou have people knowing how to
hold and and uh and hit, it'sjust such an enjoyable process.
For me, it's it's been the basisof what you know helped our
retention.
If you look at our black beltclasses, um, it's packed and
everybody has to wear gloves andmitts, and that's our warm-up.
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Your your curriculum is ourwarm-up in terms of doing it.
But even then, we're onlyincorporating 15, 20 minutes of
it per class because the most ofthe class we still we still have
to do the Pumsays, and I didn'teliminate Pumsa all the way
through, but I I I think there'ssome value in high-level Pumse.
But is it realistic?
I guarantee if I ever get into areal fight, I'm not getting into
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a who be punch with uh reverseinner forearm block.
That that's the last thing I'mgoing to do.
I'm gonna do a lot more of myhead movement type stuff and not
get hit.
unknown (19:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:02):
Go Shah, your thoughts on that?
I agree 100%.
Again, I keep going back to thatword tradition.
You see it a lot in mosttraditional style martial arts.
They don't want to breaktraditions because this is how
they were taught.
They feel like they're gonnalose some of that culture kind
of a day.
But if we're going down to realfighting or self-defense in the
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streets or whatever it may be,uh you have to know how to
defend yourself.
I think we're not doing youryour students justice if you're
not teaching the proper moves.
Like if they're a black belt andthey're doing one-step sparring
starting here, doing this kindof stuff, like we should be t we
should be showing how to putsomebody down.
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Uh, if there's two on one, wellwhat are the tactics here?
Can I'm just a realist, youknow.
I I like what works.
And so but I I do agree thatthere is some value to it.
Like I said, the the theforce-riding stance and
everything else is strong legs.
There is one thing that we can'tagree upon is how to make a
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proper fist and what to punchwith with the first two
knuckles, keeping our wristsstraight.
Peppa Doe does that beautifullytoo, right?
SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
And so there is a coach and and and and Master
Chon Lee.
From my perspective, from myperspective, right?
Every class I was doing a horserunning stance for five minutes,
double punch, middle block, andthen we had one set of scoring
in our curriculum for each beltwhere we have to do a long
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stance down block and attackwith a long stance punch while
the defense is like outsidemiddle block and double punch or
something like that.
That that just doesn't fly intoday's like curriculum.
It it doesn't.
And I know traditional schoolowners they incorporate that
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every day with every part oftheir of their belt, right?
And that's just what we do.
But Coach Cha, your yourfighters are using these
striking system techniques atthe highest level, at the
highest level in the octagonwhere they're using it to win or
lose these fights.
That means that it's working atthe highest level.
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Why why shouldn't we take whatwe know works at the highest
level in the UFC and mixedmartial arts and incorporate it
in our curriculum for ourstudents?
Why shouldn't we do that?
What is our hesitation ofreplacing that?
SPEAKER_03 (21:36):
That should be a question of has to leave because
I agree with I'm with you 100%.
I think curriculum, you know,like doing the classes even
here, curriculum is the hardestthing to find quality stuff to
do, right?
To keep people engaged forretention, for for it to make it
fun and then being practical andthen making it a realistic
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thing.
But uh I agree.
I can I could put it any better.
So that's not really a questionfor me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Coach Eddie, it's not like once the sparring is
more fun than the than the one,two, three, four mitts and
combo.
Mits and combo is faster, morefun for the kids per kilometri.
Everything is more fun usinggloves and mitts versus once the
sparring or horse grants or longstance or down blocks.
I mean, it's a faster pace, it'spractical, it's more fun.
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There, I I can't think of areason.
Master Chan, maybe you could uheducate me, Master Chun Lee?
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
So I got rid of all our once-up sparring.
I I so I I ended upincorporating Coach Chas' stuff,
which is what to do with ifsomeone punches you with a
one-two or just a right or aleft hook, and we've
incorporated the head movement,the blocks, the catches, the
parries, all the different typesof things, and and we do colors
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with that.
And uh what's so funny when Ifirst worked with Coach Chas, he
would teach me like 20 differentthings, and I'm like, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
We're only gonna use this for 10minutes of our class, and we
just had to like really stripaway some of the basics and and
and put it.
But I I will tell you, I know Ihave a great curriculum when I
teach it, and then I look in thepeanut gallery and I see the
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parents, and they're doing it,they're moving it.
It.
They're like covering andhitting back.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
The parents are getting into it.
And now we have a fair amount ofour parents that are now taking
classes with us because they'veseen it.
But what's what's funny to me isthat, and I think Coach Chao
will agree, Tekwundo masters aresecretly huge fans of the UFC.
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Right?
How many Tekwundo, how manyTekwondo masters have you met?
And they're like, hey, whatabout this guy?
What about this fight?
And you're and I bet you're likekind of shocked.
You're like, holy cow, thisperson's like a huge fan of what
we do, yet they don't teach anyof it in their in their
classrooms.
SPEAKER_03 (23:52):
Yeah, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Yeah, go ahead, Coach Eddie.
SPEAKER_03 (23:54):
No, I I I agree.
And I think to be perfectlyhonest, people are afraid if
they teach something thatthey're gonna leave and go to a
joint and have a made school ora boy thai school.
But I mean, if they're gonna dothat, they're gonna do it out of
what I think.
Um but why not just have whatthey want?
You know, try somethingdifferent, make it fun.
Like you guys say, everything iskind of proven.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
But I for me, it's just one at the end of the day,
you guys just have goodcurriculum that's actually fun,
that's how you're gonna re wellone of the one of the uh
criticisms from traditionalschool owners is that if you
incorporate a mixed martial arttechniques where they don't they
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don't bow, they don't showrespect at UFC octagon.
I mean, a lot of fighters doshow respect to each other, but
there is no bowing procedure,there is no traditional respect
as as we as we're accustomed to,and they associate the UFC
techniques with that.
Yes, they associate the UFCtechniques with that, so they
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don't want to lose the lifeskills that they're in in
teaching the kids, they don'twant to lose the discipline, the
the respect, uh, the attentionskills by incorporating, hey,
UFC is doing this, but they'rejust fighting each other.
I think that's the disconnect,and that's what they don't want
to bring into their schoolsystem.
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Your thoughts on that, MasterChun Lee?
SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
I I think there's a little bit of fear with that,
right?
That, hey, we're not a UFCschool.
I mean, I have people call myschool all the time, and you
know, and sometimes they'relike, well, can I use your stuff
and get into the UFC orwhatever?
I I send them to our local MMAgyms in town.
And I say, that's not stuff thatwe do.
But our market is moms and dadsthat want their four to
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12-year-olds to do traditionalmartial arts.
That's our market.
And they want to learn beyondthe kicking and punching, they
want their kids to learn how tobe focused.
They want their kids to be moreconfident.
I don't think many MMA gymsfocus on that.
They focus on getting into thering and and winning.
And the value of Coach Cha'scurriculum is from the
self-defense aspect, right?
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So if you look at anycurriculum, there's the basic
striking, right?
You teach all the basic kicks.
Then after that, you learn theforms, right?
And then you have a self-defensecomponent, right, in your
curriculum.
And then you break boards,right?
I I think on a self-defenselevel, you can use Coach Cha and
UFC MMA striking as as a way tohave them learn self-defense.
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And it's a great, it's arealistic type of curriculum
that that students enjoy.
And and my recommendation is youdon't switch all the way over to
doing MMA and UFC, butincorporating stuff that's
that's realistic to yourself-defense components of your
of your classroom.
I think that's a very importantkey point and that you're
learning from stuff that's beenbattle-tested.
SPEAKER_01 (26:51):
Coach, Coach Cha, you run the Fight Ready Gym over
there.
There are classes that you teachkids as well as adults as over
there.
What's the difference?
Do you instill the life skillsthat traditional school owners
teach in their Taekwondo andkarate and kung fu schools?
Or is is is your curriculum andand that character development
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different in that sense, CoachEddie?
SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
Well, for our kids' program, for kids kickboxing,
it's literally you run like atechno dill program, but it we
just teach kickboxing.
Everybody says yes, sir.
Um we we have pelts, we line up,bow, you know, credit to
Nasserine.
But he he helps me with all thestuff how to incorporate
everything.
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But be honest with you, we runit like a techno dill class.
But the philosophy of respect,uh love your parents, the
discipline, uh you know, we haveacts of discipline and and
everything else too.
It's so the adults is a littlebit different.
We we get into more ofpracticality stuff we talked
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about.
We have different we but we dotest the same way.
Uh we test every three months.
We have armbands for the adultsinstead of adults, but uh for
the kids we have belts.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
But how many MMA schools do you feel like are
doing what you're doing withkids?
unknown (28:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (28:16):
Well, uh it's hard to say.
I haven't seen a lot of MMAkids' programs yet, so it's hard
to say.
But I I I think we're definitelyunique.
We have a great coaching staff,we have coach Bobby Mafia.
He does a phenomenal job withthe kids.
We also have an MMA class, thenwe have uh jujitsu class.
So most of the kids we encouragethem to try all three.
The MMA classes, they'll teach alittle bit of traveling, which
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is the wrestling aspect.
The jiu-jitsu teaches theground, and kicklatsu teaches
the food.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
In Orange County, where I live, kids Brazilian
jujitsu schools are just it's onthe rise.
It's exploding, Kochetti.
I mean, it's catching fire likelike Taekwondo was 20, 30 years
ago.
And that a lot of thatattributes to to UFC and and the
popularism popularity of of UFCand mixed martial arts.
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I don't know if they're teachingI'm assuming they're teaching
the life skills with it.
I mean, as martial artists, I Ithink all school owners teach
life skills with that.
I mean, do you is that the samecase over there in Phoenix and
and Milwaukee as well?
Kochetti?
Is pints Brazilian jiu-jitsugaining popularity and and
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Phoenix as well?
SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
I think so.
I think martial arts in general,everybody's intrigued by it.
Um it definitely helps that Ithink the UFC invested 20 or
something million dollars intotheir UFC jujitsu program.
And so, you know, a lot ofpeople are inquiring about that
as well.
We have a seven-time worldchampion jujitsu professor that
in charge of our program,Professor Venusius, he's
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phenomenal.
It helps, gives us recognition,and he still competes, which is
kind of nice.
Yeah, I think I think allmartial arts is on the kind of
on the right.
SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
And here at least, in Arizona.
You Master Chong, over in uhWisconsin and Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
I I don't think a lot of MMA gyms have caught up.
I I think MMA gyms in generalare about 30 years where
Tekuundo was 30 years ago in the70s and 80s.
It was a lot of tournament-basedtype stuff.
It was kind of like the onlygame in town, right?
Tekwondo and Karate schools,there wasn't a lot of MMA yet.
The you the rules weren't asunified as they are now.
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And and I don't think Brazilian,I think the only schools that
people got into that wasgrappling was judo schools,
right, back in the day.
And I think over time, nowyou're seeing Brazilian Jiu
Jitsu on the rise here inMilwaukee as well.
Um, and some kickboxing schoolsthat have popped up as well.
But I don't, I I think the thethe bread and butter of a
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traditional martial arts schoollike Taekwondo should be
character development and basicbody mechanics for self-defense.
And then once again, why not adda little bit of additional MMA
type striking curriculum intoyour classes that's fully
enjoyable?
And I I I know I do this all thetime.
I I'll be like, hey, anybodywatching the fights this weekend
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at my black belt class?
And I would have to say 90% ofmy students were like, have no
idea.
And the 10% that are fans wouldbe like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
go see the fights this weekend.
So even MMA hasn't fully hit themasses yet in terms of their
stars and who they are.
But I don't think it's a fear.
I really think I think you'vegot to kind of start embracing
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it.
It's not going UFC and MMA isnot going away, right?
And if you want to stay on thecutting edge, I think it's one
of the things that a traditionalschool owner should look into.
I know we have, and we're veryproud of the fact that we lean
into it and make it a part ofour curriculum.
It's not a hundred percent ofwhat we do, you know.
I also do a streama and stickfighting.
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It's a small sliver of what wedo.
And I know some Filipino schoolswere like, that's not a real
escrema school.
I'm like, yeah, we're not.
We we we teach the basics, butif if my students happen to be
in a fight and there happened tobe a stick there, they would
kind of know how to use it asopposed to not doing it.
And uh, and uh, but anyway,going back to the MMA, I think
uh MMA strikes, I think it'sit's it's just a necessary
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evolution of what we should doas traditional school owners um
and incorporating the the nextwave of that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Coach Eddie, for traditional school owners who
have no what what is your firstrecommendation?
How should they transfer or howshould they start incorporating
that striking system uh intotheir into their curriculum,
traditional curriculum?
What is your first piece ofadvice for them?
SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
Well, the first step would be go to eddycha.com and
contact us and we will get youstarted.
Everything is laid out, thecurriculum, there's tons of
technical schools that arealready implementing it.
Chad Lee is one of them.
We have five studios that aredoing it.
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Everybody's doing I think theirbiggest fear is I don't know how
to get started, or I don't knowenough to teach it.
We have videos, but on top ofthat, the biggest thing is if I
if I go do a seminar out there,everybody's con everybody wants
to do it differently.
But Friday, we can do stafftraining.
Get them comfortable to how tojab or across or the basic
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asterisk, the head movement,right?
And then having we can even dolike okay, show me how you can
teach a class first 15 minutesgo.
What to say, key points, how tostructure a class.
But it's honestly it's not thathard.
You gotta start somewhere.
And it starts with just by doingthe videos, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
So that would be well to to educate our audience,
Coach Eddie, am I correct,assuming correct, that you're
available for a seminar for theweekend.
So any of the school owners whoare interested, they can fly you
out to their school and you'reavailable on a seminar for like
Friday, Saturday, seminarsession to teach them, the
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school owner and the staff andtheir students.
Is that is that correct?
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
Yes, sir.
When I'm in town, but you know,sometimes I get a little hooked
up.
But if I'm in town, I love goingto travel.
I go, I love going to look atother schools and see their
setups, uh, their curriculum.
It's fun.
I enjoy going to seminars.
SPEAKER_00 (34:27):
So so the way we did it when we had you out, coach,
is Friday, Friday during theday, we had all our staff learn
all the basics, how to throw ajab, jab cross, all the
different punching combinations,how to move the head, how to
hold mitts, and then how to putthese combinations in sequence
together.
And it it it it made our staff alot more confident in what they
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were learning.
And then that in turn made themvery confident.
And then our staff the followingday, we told our students that
we were going to do a newcurriculum and that we're going
to learn from the source.
Our black belts came and theyheld mitts for the lower ranks.
So we did two seminars.
We did a seminar for our lowerranks to introduce all the
curriculum and taught them howto do all the basic punches.
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And so we had a lot ofmid-holders out there, had all
the kids learn all the basicsand show off curriculum.
What was comical to me is that Iwas sort of like, hey, coach,
these are kids.
Um, you gotta talk to kids alittle different, and you can't
talk to them like they're grownadults.
You were brilliant.
He he really knows how to work ahe's a master teacher, he just
knows how to work with kids andand all that.
(35:33):
And then in the afternoon, wedid a advanced level coaching
for all our our red and blackbelts, and that knew a little
bit more before coach came out.
And uh, you know, I it it washighly enjoyable.
It was two hours each.
We made obviously all the moneyback and then some from gear
sales and also from seminarfees.
So it was a win-win for us.
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It was the school made a littlebit of money, coach made some
money, and it was it wasperfect.
And it was a good time for me tokind of get immersed in your
philosophies and and doing it.
What's crazy to me is you and Iare the same age, yet I don't
move like you.
Uh I've been trying to copy you.
SPEAKER_03 (36:10):
You feel better.
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
My kids are like, my own kids are like, Dad, why do
you look so old?
I'm I'm like, what do you mean?
I move just like Coach Eddie.
I move like a cat.
Look.
But uh anyway, that's not theresponse I got from my own
children.
And my kids, they they love umhere's another kind of thing,
right?
I think most taekwondo masters'kids, they're not like they're
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kind of burnt out from doingtaekwondo.
My kids, like, oh Coach Eddie'scoming.
Okay, dad, I'm gonna be at theschool.
I'm gonna go learn.
So I think I I knew we had a hitwhen even my own children were
like coming in to like learnyour stuff and and learn from
you.
unknown (36:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
So I guess I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01 (36:49):
Coach Eddie, how Coach Eddie, how long what
what's the average time it takesfor school owners and their
staff to get that strikingsystem, learn that striking
system and implement into theirclassroom?
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
I think everybody's different, but it it all depends
how much you put into it, likeanything else, right?
Like some people pick it upquickly, some people don't.
But the biggest thing that weall have in common is we're all
instructors.
We know how to teach.
And so I could teach, uh I'm abluebell jiu-jitsu, and I
haven't rolled 10, 15 years, butI could go teach a basic
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jiu-jitsu class, I could goteach a techno double class, I
could go teach anything if Ineeded to.
And I think techno instructorsare the same way.
Uh I think they lack confidencebecause it's something new, but
teaching to me is the samething.
All you need is a format and astructure.
Warm-ups, what you're gonnateach, for how long.
Just little things.
It's a to be honest, you for me,I don't think it takes that
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long.
Especially when you're doingtwo-hour seminars, two seminars,
if you go back to back, you'regonna be proficient at holding
and you're gonna know the basicfundamentals.
Um, and then from there, it'sjust a matter of how you teach,
you know, what your goal is, howyou get to choose the
curriculum, but it's honestlynot that hard.
And it's not the first timetechno guys are throwing
punches, right?
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So instead of throwing it fromyour your hips, they would just
be here.
That's the biggest thing I seethat when I go to techno
summers, that'd say one, two, wewould throw like this, they will
go this every time they throwthe two, the hand goes down.
Uh, but it's just little things,just changing habits.
But I don't think it's thathard.
SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
Last quote, last question, Master Chan, and and
let's wrap up.
But I'm sorry, go ahead, MasterChan.
SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
No, no, I was gonna say when we first learned, it
took us, I want to say there waslike uh three to six month lag
time because I wanted to makesure my instructors knew how to
do it.
And and, you know, our warmupsare in instead of horse riding
stance, is all the combos one,two, three, right, two, three,
two, five, two, threes, andlearning it in different
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sequences and then moving andteaching head movement.
Your footwork drills are great,so it's all practical stuff on
how to move and how to likeevade an attack and do counters
and and then the technologyfootwork, we still we still use
that.
So there are some things thatyou're just kind of enhancing.
And then the second piece wouldbe applying that from a
self-defense realm.
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So if someone throws a uh a jab,how do you deal with that?
If someone throws a one-two, howdo you deal with that?
Someone throws a two, uh, uh,uh, a right hand overhand punch,
how do you deal with that?
If someone throws a hook, how doyou roll against that or or
evade that as well?
So just like common things thatuse that you may see.
Back in the day, I used to lookat the world star videos.
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You know, do you guys rememberWorld Star?
You see all those fights thatwould happen, and I'd be like,
what would I do?
Would I would I go into a Goobyand Dkooby and do a knife hand
block, or what would be thepractical way of dealing with
that from a thing?
Now I feel a lot more confidentin knowing your stuff, and and
and then you get to see it, youget to see your stuff in action
on a UFC weekend is verysatisfying to see and and
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saying, okay, that this is thisstuff is is out there.
People are doing it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
This is great stuff.
Coach Eddie, good luck to yournext couple of fights.
It's gonna be right around thecorner of this weekend with
Tracy and then next month withHenry Sujuto.
Huge big fights.
I encourage everybody, ouraudience, to check it out as
well.
Let's wrap up there.
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
You know, and Matt, real real quick, I don't know if
you know, but Coach Eddie is themaster of languages.
So this next couple fights, he'sgonna translate all in Spanish
for E.
Espendi Portez.
So I don't know if you heard thestory, but they were missing a
translator for his uh fighterAQ, who is Chinese, and uh they
they brought him in to do theChinese translation.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
Oh, I didn't know you spoke.
I didn't know you spoke Chinese,Coach Eddie.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Spanish, Hungarian, Russian.
The man is a man of manylanguages.
SPEAKER_02 (40:45):
So So did you just say anything?
Did you just make up words onthe interview?
SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
You know, like if we were to speak Korean, we add a
couple English words.
So all I did was listen, andthen I heard uh fight ready,
then I heard coach, then I heardSheshe, which is thank you.
Everybody knows that, right?
So then I just kind of I kind ofwent with it.
Me at DC had a good time.
We were we were cracking up alittle bit.
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
Oh my god, that's too funny.
All right, all right.
Bastard Chun Lee, Coach EddieChad, thank you for joining us
today and sharing your insightson how traditional martial arts
can evolve by understanding themindset and methods of modern
mixed martial arts for ourlisteners.
Whether you're a school owner,instructor, or lifelong martial
artist, today's conversation isa reminder that growth doesn't
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mean losing tradition, it meansadapting, innovating, and
continuing to learn.
If you want to learn more aboutCoach Eddie Cha's striking
system and the incredible workbeing done at Fight Ready Gym in
Scottsdale, Arizona, check outthe links in our show notes or
YouTube description.
Thanks again, Coach Eddie.
And to everybody turn it tuningin.
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of martial art professionalsstriving to elevate the industry
together.
Pastor Chon Lee, thank you aswell.
Until next time, see you guys onthe next episode.
In this week's episode, we'll discuss the
topic (02:24):
Should MMA techniques be part of traditional martial arts
training?
Welcome to Black Belt Banter,the best podcast to help your
martial arts school increaseprofits and generate substantial
revenue.
I'm Jimmy Hong, and my co-hostis Master Chan Lee.
Today, we're joined by one ofthe most respected striking
(02:47):
coaches in mixed martial arts,Coach Eddie Cha from Fight Ready
Gym in Scottsdale, Arizona.
Coach Eddie has worked with someof the UFC's biggest names,
including Henry Sehudo, theKorean Zombie, Chan Song Jung,
Zhang Wei Li, and DavisonFigueredo, and countless more,
helping them refine theirstand-up game, elevate their
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fight IQ, and perform atchampionship level.
Known for his chess-likeapproach to striking, Coach
Eddie teaches fighter how todisguise their intention through
feints, timing, and precision,what he calls the art of smoke
and mirrors.
Let's jump right into it.
Coach Eddie, welcome to theshow.
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Your martial arts background isrooted in Taekwondo, a very
traditional discipline.
How did that foundation lead youinto the world of MMA and
eventually coaching at thehighest level in UFC?
SPEAKER_03 (03:45):
What's up, guys?
First of all, thank you forhaving me.
The legendary Master Chan Leeand Master Jimmy Hong.
I've one, I'm Korean, so I Ithink Taekwondo is a part of our
culture, which I love.
The the footwork, the feints, Ithink a lot of that we integrate
into uh into MMA.
And I think every style hassomething to offer.
(04:06):
That's why it's Mitch martialarts as MMA, right?
So yeah.
SPEAKER_01 (04:10):
I I love Taekwondo Well, speaking of Taekwondo, I
mean we have okay, so astraditional martial arts school
owners, many of us seem hesitantto incorporate MMA techniques
into our systems.
Why do you think that hesitationexists?
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And what's like the real fearbehind blending modern MMA
techniques with traditionalmartial arts curriculum?
SPEAKER_03 (04:39):
I think people I think that's the key word is
tradition.
They don't want to breaktradition.
And but I mean realistically,some of the rules I feel like
they're not practical for s forself-defense.
And so you do have to integrateacross the technology, you guys
don't punch in the face,obviously.
That's a big difference inself-defense.
(05:00):
You're gonna have to hit thechin, temple, or back of the
hand to take the knockdown todefend yourself.
And so they in order to evolveand actually use actual
practical self-defense moves,you you have to add a little bit
more traditional right.
SPEAKER_00 (05:18):
Hey and obviously being a traditional martial
artist myself, you're learninglike horse riding stance, you
know, opcooby, decubi, all thedifferent stances, and it's not
like you're gonna do any ofthose stances in a real fight,
right?
It's good body mechanics tolearn.
And being a traditional teacher,I think it's a good way for kids
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to to start martial arts.
But later on, there's a there'sa in my opinion, there's an
application piece.
And I remember when UFC firstcame out, everybody was like, oh
my gosh, what is this?
And it was a big curiositybecause it was like, is Tekwondo
better than karate?
Is karate gonna be judo?
Is uh jujitsu?
At that time, no one knewanything about jiu-jitsu or even
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Brazilian jiu-jitsu, and theystarted changing and and you had
to be intermixed with it.
And you know, the way I view itis traditional taekwondo teaches
you the basics, but then whenyou have to apply it, right, you
have to look at MMA and some ofthe places that they're field
testing.
It's like a field testing ofthese real techniques like
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punches.
Do you feel that some Tekwondotechniques have some
practicality in MMA?
Or is there some things that youcan take from Tekwondo into MMA?
Kind of reverse engineering thequestion a little bit?
SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Yeah, of course.
I think of Tekwondo, the rangeis beautiful.
To me, distance and timing ismore important than speed and
power.
And Tekwondo practitioner hasreally amazing distance.
Like your your cousin, MasterTay, you know, the the the
distance control that he didwhen we played around in
Wisconsin a little bit.
You saw John Jones use a backkick against Stepe and finish
him with one back kicking move.
(06:57):
Uh you know it's a great backkick, but you know if you see
technology heavyweights throwback kicks, it's phenomenal,
right?
Um those are definitelyfinishing moves.
Uh I think they they're they'rethey can go orthodox boards,
Southpaw, Tekwondo practitionersswitch dance quite a bit too.
Tekwondo has great feats.
Um so there's a lot of moves Ithink they can use.
SPEAKER_00 (07:19):
Technology So knowing that, then Tekwondo
school owners should think thatthey have some basics of what
can be used in a real-worldfight or a real world outfit a
thing.
I I think the the moves that youuse are field tested, right?
So being able to kind of takethose moves and apply it in in a
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classroom setting is is verypractical.
Um, what are some suggestionsthat you have?
Like if if you had a guy thatjust done traditional taekwondo
for 20 years and all of a suddenyou're like, okay, here's some
stuff that you can apply in yourdojong.
What what would your suggestionbe?
SPEAKER_03 (07:56):
I would say definitely working on your
hands.
Boxing is a nice complement ofyour kicks and things like that.
Um, it's fun.
Uh it builds coordination,agility, hand speed.
Um, it can close the gap.
With once you throw one kick,you're gonna be right here.
And so this is where the handsand kicks, the hands come into
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play.
And so I'm a little biased, butthen again, like you say, being
field tested, we've triedeverything.
We've had people, black belttechno guys come in.
Um, you know, Korean Zombie wasa black belt techno, Anthony
Pettis, he won a UFC belt, he'sa technobillo artist.
Uh, Benson Henderson's also uhblack belt technology as well.
(08:39):
And so, but uh just compilationof a little bit of everything.
But I think boxing reallycomplements kickboxing or
technobill.
SPEAKER_01 (08:47):
But can I can I just say it's very cool that we're
you're doing our podcast rightat your gym and there's like
activity going on in thebackground because child?
This is like I think one of ourpodcasts that we have actual
live gym studio in thebackground going on.
That's your gym in Scottsdale,Arizona.
Is that is am I correct?
Yes, sir.
SPEAKER_03 (09:08):
I wish I'd done it a little earlier.
We had sparring for the fightteam, but they probably don't
want to be filmed.
SPEAKER_01 (09:13):
Who is your next fighter that we could see on TV
with Shaw that's coming up?
SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
Tracy Cortez, she's fighting Aaron Blackfield.
It's a top 10 fight.
Uh Blackfield is ranked numberfour.
She fights the Saturday, andHenry Sehudo fights December
6th.
So his might be the last fight,so we're calling it the last
dance.
Or he's calling it the lastdance.
SPEAKER_01 (09:36):
Wow.
I mean, both of them, TracyCortez and Henry.
I mean, they're I mean, Tracy isvery well known now.
She has a lot of followers, abig fan base, and Henry is
Henry.
Everybody knows Henry.
Those are two big fights comingup, coach.
SPEAKER_03 (09:51):
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
The whole gym is excited aboutit, and hopefully they they both
get some W's.
SPEAKER_00 (09:58):
What's amazing is the transformation of Henry,
right?
I mean, he was known as awrestler, right?
Olympic medalist, and now he haslike knockout power and has some
abilities striking.
So tell us a little bit aboutthat transformation.
How, how, how, how did hetransfer from like becoming just
like this great wrestler to areally good striker?
SPEAKER_03 (10:19):
Henry's a student of the game.
I mean, the Olympic gold medalis such an accomplishment.
Anything he puts his mind to, hehe learned so, so fast.
The first fight I worked with inwas during COVID, Dominic Cruz
fight when he won a world title.
And our goal is to throw seven,land seven leg kicks in the
first round.
Not even punched, becauseDominic Cruz is very elusive.
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He uses kind of the rope-a-dotemovement.
And we had a Napoleon change.
We were supposed to fight JoseAldo.
Then a month in, we got injured.
We only had three, four weeks toprepare for Dominic Cruz.
Me, Dominic Cruz is one of thebest bantuweists of all time.
It was a hard puzzle to figureout.
But Henry, I mean, he alreadyknew how to kick.
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But if you go and watch thatfight, like literally put on a
clinic, tiny one to go.
I think that's the most kicksthat's ever done.
It was okay.
So the guy could just adapt tothe pick.
SPEAKER_00 (11:12):
So what what's your philos what's your philosophy on
striking?
Obviously, you're the headstriking coach and head MMA
coach over at Fight Ready, andyou have a stable of you know
UFC fighters.
What are some like, you know,from an amateur that is learning
basic striking and so forth, arethere some like hard and fast
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rules you're like throw X amountof combinations, know the
basics?
What are some things that youwould you would say to a
beginner of learning MMAstrikes?
SPEAKER_03 (12:35):
For me, I would depending on what age they are.
So there's some guys that arealready have a couple fights as
an amateur or they're amid-level pro, and then how old
are they?
So you have to kind of fasttrack things.
If they're 13 years old, thenthey should just train as much
as possible, enjoy the ride,kind of pick two, three styles
that you need to do real crappy,uh, whether it be wrestling,
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judo, background, or whatever itmay be, and then you pick your
striking concepts, whether it beboxing, kickboxing, boy thai,
you know, techno, karate,anything.
But for me, we we always kind ofgo because it it's a short-lived
career.
So say they're 25 years old,that you have to fast track it.
So what's my fastest way to getto point A to point B?
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You gotta kind of map out thecareer, so to speak, a little
bit.
And how fast can I get there?
What's the fastest way?
So for us, we always recommendwrestling has to be a base.
Because if you can't defend atakedown, then you're gonna lose
every round.
Um, you have to have minimum ofa blue, purple belt, jujitsu,
otherwise you get takes you getyou can get a takedown and get
submitted.
(13:42):
And then well, what are yougonna pick for your feet?
You know, so a lot of guys kindof integrate boxing at boy thai,
goes to like the comment two.
SPEAKER_01 (13:50):
I'm sorry, I I I got a question then.
Going going back into going backinto the traditional curriculum,
traditional technique versusthose techniques that you're
talking about with other arts.
My I have a tick one, obviouslyI have a tick one-no background.
What are your thoughts aboutlike horse riding?
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Like we all grew we all grew updoing force riding stance on
every class, long stance, downblock with with punches from the
waist, these traditional,outdated that I've never used,
by the way, in in self-defenseor in a in a fight that I've
ever been to.
I've never used thosetechniques.
What are your thoughts on that,Coach Eddie?
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On on school owners teachingthat that that that rigid horse
running stands middle punchoutdated.
I don't know if if outdated is aword, but that traditional
curriculum that every class istaught for five minutes.
SPEAKER_02 (14:49):
You want me to be the bad guy?
I want this to be the mostcontroversial episode of
podcasts ever.
That's my goal on this podcast.
SPEAKER_03 (14:59):
I think a horse riding stance is a good training
tool, right?
You're you're almost in asquatting stance.
Um, so you're developing yourlegs, good posture for pusses
and stuff like that.
But I think for practicality, ofcourse, you're not going to get
in a horse riding stance whenyou try to spar.
Even a techwal, you guys don'tgo in a horse riding stance when
you're ready to spar, right?
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Um it's so I think that says itall.
Realistically.
Why do we why do we teach itthen?
Well, you guys are the techwindthe masters.
SPEAKER_02 (15:30):
But let's ask Master Lee.
Well Master Lee, why do we teachit then?
SPEAKER_00 (15:35):
I I think it's a great way to teach basic body
mechanics and learning kids howto stay still.
I mean, I still teach the basicsof it, but I don't spend a lot
of time on it.
I mean, maybe three minutes whenI have new students that have
never thrown a punch, we go tohorse riding stands and we get
them started that way so theycan just focus on how to throw
the punch.
And then full disclosure here, II've been training in coach
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Eddie Cha's methods for the lastdecade.
You know, I I first learned itfrom one of his students, and
then I also picked it up on someother things as well.
And we went immediately goinginto a self-defense stance and
then teaching your yournumbering system, the one, two,
threes, four, five, six, the jabcross hooks, and then the
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uppercuts.
And then we immediately putthose into a combination.
And so when we so we pretty muchmostly eliminated the horse
riding stance and got into likea guarding stance, and then
we've been teaching of the thebasics.
So a lot of my white yellowbelts know the one, twos, the
three, fours, and the fivesixes, and we we put them into a
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sequence there.
The other thing I I really enjoyabout you know a coach's system
is the 10 ways to move yourhead, right?
That that's something we don'treally teach in tech quality.
We we teach how to block, but Inever thought, okay, how do you
move your head from a strike?
So incorporate incorporatingthat with the with the striking
is just brilliant.
And then obviously all thedifferent blocks, the covers,
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right?
Or I think you call themcatches, right?
And then doing doing that isjust a full complement of
realistic blocking.
Um, but to me, I I think there'ssome value in in doing it.
I won't be the bad guy, I'll bethe uh the middle of the road
guy.
I think you still have to teachthe basic mechanics of it.
Um, you're you're working withFerraris, right?
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We're working with like basicamateur people that civilians
that'll probably never end upgetting into a fight in their in
their life, but they've neveractually thrown a real punch
ever.
And being able to make sure thattheir fist is correct and making
sure that they know they have topunch with the first two
knuckles, they have to turn thehand over when they throw the
punch, all those basics.
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I think there is some value init, but then to overdo it, if
you're still doing it in yourintermediate belts, like blue
and and greens and and uh andreds, I we pretty much have
eliminated that in our classesfor those those students, and
we've adopted your stuff intointo what we do.
And so, yeah, it's great in thebeginning, but I think it's also
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I think more people will findit's it's more engaging because
once you start hitting mitts andyou have people knowing how to
hold and and uh and hit, it'sjust such an enjoyable process.
For me, it's it's been the basisof what you know helped our
retention.
If you look at our black beltclasses, um, it's packed and
everybody has to wear gloves andmitts, and that's our warm-up.
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Your your curriculum is ourwarm-up in terms of doing it.
But even then, we're onlyincorporating 15, 20 minutes of
it per class because the most ofthe class we still we still have
to do the Pumsays, and I didn'teliminate Pumsa all the way
through, but I I I think there'ssome value in high-level Pumse.
But is it realistic?
I guarantee if I ever get into areal fight, I'm not getting into
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a who be punch with uh reverseinner forearm block.
That that's the last thing I'mgoing to do.
I'm gonna do a lot more of myhead movement type stuff and not
get hit.
unknown (19:02):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (19:02):
Go Shah, your thoughts on that?
I agree 100%.
Again, I keep going back to thatword tradition.
You see it a lot in mosttraditional style martial arts.
They don't want to breaktraditions because this is how
they were taught.
They feel like they're gonnalose some of that culture kind
of a day.
But if we're going down to realfighting or self-defense in the
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streets or whatever it may be,uh you have to know how to
defend yourself.
I think we're not doing youryour students justice if you're
not teaching the proper moves.
Like if they're a black belt andthey're doing one-step sparring
starting here, doing this kindof stuff, like we should be t we
should be showing how to putsomebody down.
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Uh, if there's two on one, wellwhat are the tactics here?
Can I'm just a realist, youknow.
I I like what works.
And so but I I do agree thatthere is some value to it.
Like I said, the the theforce-riding stance and
everything else is strong legs.
There is one thing that we can'tagree upon is how to make a
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proper fist and what to punchwith with the first two
knuckles, keeping our wristsstraight.
Peppa Doe does that beautifullytoo, right?
SPEAKER_01 (20:11):
And so there is a coach and and and and Master
Chon Lee.
From my perspective, from myperspective, right?
Every class I was doing a horserunning stance for five minutes,
double punch, middle block, andthen we had one set of scoring
in our curriculum for each beltwhere we have to do a long
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stance down block and attackwith a long stance punch while
the defense is like outsidemiddle block and double punch or
something like that.
That that just doesn't fly intoday's like curriculum.
It it doesn't.
And I know traditional schoolowners they incorporate that
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every day with every part oftheir of their belt, right?
And that's just what we do.
But Coach Cha, your yourfighters are using these
striking system techniques atthe highest level, at the
highest level in the octagonwhere they're using it to win or
lose these fights.
That means that it's working atthe highest level.
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Why why shouldn't we take whatwe know works at the highest
level in the UFC and mixedmartial arts and incorporate it
in our curriculum for ourstudents?
Why shouldn't we do that?
What is our hesitation ofreplacing that?
SPEAKER_03 (21:36):
That should be a question of has to leave because
I agree with I'm with you 100%.
I think curriculum, you know,like doing the classes even
here, curriculum is the hardestthing to find quality stuff to
do, right?
To keep people engaged forretention, for for it to make it
fun and then being practical andthen making it a realistic
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thing.
But uh I agree.
I can I could put it any better.
So that's not really a questionfor me.
SPEAKER_01 (22:05):
Coach Eddie, it's not like once the sparring is
more fun than the than the one,two, three, four mitts and
combo.
Mits and combo is faster, morefun for the kids per kilometri.
Everything is more fun usinggloves and mitts versus once the
sparring or horse grants or longstance or down blocks.
I mean, it's a faster pace, it'spractical, it's more fun.
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There, I I can't think of areason.
Master Chan, maybe you could uheducate me, Master Chun Lee?
SPEAKER_00 (22:34):
So I got rid of all our once-up sparring.
I I so I I ended upincorporating Coach Chas' stuff,
which is what to do with ifsomeone punches you with a
one-two or just a right or aleft hook, and we've
incorporated the head movement,the blocks, the catches, the
parries, all the different typesof things, and and we do colors
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with that.
And uh what's so funny when Ifirst worked with Coach Chas, he
would teach me like 20 differentthings, and I'm like, wait,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
We're only gonna use this for 10minutes of our class, and we
just had to like really stripaway some of the basics and and
and put it.
But I I will tell you, I know Ihave a great curriculum when I
teach it, and then I look in thepeanut gallery and I see the
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parents, and they're doing it,they're moving it.
It.
They're like covering andhitting back.
And I'm like, oh, okay.
The parents are getting into it.
And now we have a fair amount ofour parents that are now taking
classes with us because they'veseen it.
But what's what's funny to me isthat, and I think Coach Chao
will agree, Tekwundo masters aresecretly huge fans of the UFC.
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Right?
How many Tekwundo, how manyTekwondo masters have you met?
And they're like, hey, whatabout this guy?
What about this fight?
And you're and I bet you're likekind of shocked.
You're like, holy cow, thisperson's like a huge fan of what
we do, yet they don't teach anyof it in their in their
classrooms.
SPEAKER_03 (23:52):
Yeah, I think.
SPEAKER_00 (23:52):
Yeah, go ahead, Coach Eddie.
SPEAKER_03 (23:54):
No, I I I agree.
And I think to be perfectlyhonest, people are afraid if
they teach something thatthey're gonna leave and go to a
joint and have a made school ora boy thai school.
But I mean, if they're gonna dothat, they're gonna do it out of
what I think.
Um but why not just have whatthey want?
You know, try somethingdifferent, make it fun.
Like you guys say, everything iskind of proven.
SPEAKER_01 (24:16):
But I for me, it's just one at the end of the day,
you guys just have goodcurriculum that's actually fun,
that's how you're gonna re wellone of the one of the uh
criticisms from traditionalschool owners is that if you
incorporate a mixed martial arttechniques where they don't they
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don't bow, they don't showrespect at UFC octagon.
I mean, a lot of fighters doshow respect to each other, but
there is no bowing procedure,there is no traditional respect
as as we as we're accustomed to,and they associate the UFC
techniques with that.
Yes, they associate the UFCtechniques with that, so they
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don't want to lose the lifeskills that they're in in
teaching the kids, they don'twant to lose the discipline, the
the respect, uh, the attentionskills by incorporating, hey,
UFC is doing this, but they'rejust fighting each other.
I think that's the disconnect,and that's what they don't want
to bring into their schoolsystem.
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Your thoughts on that, MasterChun Lee?
SPEAKER_00 (25:23):
I I think there's a little bit of fear with that,
right?
That, hey, we're not a UFCschool.
I mean, I have people call myschool all the time, and you
know, and sometimes they'relike, well, can I use your stuff
and get into the UFC orwhatever?
I I send them to our local MMAgyms in town.
And I say, that's not stuff thatwe do.
But our market is moms and dadsthat want their four to
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12-year-olds to do traditionalmartial arts.
That's our market.
And they want to learn beyondthe kicking and punching, they
want their kids to learn how tobe focused.
They want their kids to be moreconfident.
I don't think many MMA gymsfocus on that.
They focus on getting into thering and and winning.
And the value of Coach Cha'scurriculum is from the
self-defense aspect, right?
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So if you look at anycurriculum, there's the basic
striking, right?
You teach all the basic kicks.
Then after that, you learn theforms, right?
And then you have a self-defensecomponent, right, in your
curriculum.
And then you break boards,right?
I I think on a self-defenselevel, you can use Coach Cha and
UFC MMA striking as as a way tohave them learn self-defense.
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And it's a great, it's arealistic type of curriculum
that that students enjoy.
And and my recommendation is youdon't switch all the way over to
doing MMA and UFC, butincorporating stuff that's
that's realistic to yourself-defense components of your
of your classroom.
I think that's a very importantkey point and that you're
learning from stuff that's beenbattle-tested.
SPEAKER_01 (26:51):
Coach, Coach Cha, you run the Fight Ready Gym over
there.
There are classes that you teachkids as well as adults as over
there.
What's the difference?
Do you instill the life skillsthat traditional school owners
teach in their Taekwondo andkarate and kung fu schools?
Or is is is your curriculum andand that character development
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different in that sense, CoachEddie?
SPEAKER_03 (27:17):
Well, for our kids' program, for kids kickboxing,
it's literally you run like atechno dill program, but it we
just teach kickboxing.
Everybody says yes, sir.
Um we we have pelts, we line up,bow, you know, credit to
Nasserine.
But he he helps me with all thestuff how to incorporate
everything.
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But be honest with you, we runit like a techno dill class.
But the philosophy of respect,uh love your parents, the
discipline, uh you know, we haveacts of discipline and and
everything else too.
It's so the adults is a littlebit different.
We we get into more ofpracticality stuff we talked
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about.
We have different we but we dotest the same way.
Uh we test every three months.
We have armbands for the adultsinstead of adults, but uh for
the kids we have belts.
SPEAKER_00 (28:09):
But how many MMA schools do you feel like are
doing what you're doing withkids?
unknown (28:15):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (28:16):
Well, uh it's hard to say.
I haven't seen a lot of MMAkids' programs yet, so it's hard
to say.
But I I I think we're definitelyunique.
We have a great coaching staff,we have coach Bobby Mafia.
He does a phenomenal job withthe kids.
We also have an MMA class, thenwe have uh jujitsu class.
So most of the kids we encouragethem to try all three.
The MMA classes, they'll teach alittle bit of traveling, which
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is the wrestling aspect.
The jiu-jitsu teaches theground, and kicklatsu teaches
the food.
SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
In Orange County, where I live, kids Brazilian
jujitsu schools are just it's onthe rise.
It's exploding, Kochetti.
I mean, it's catching fire likelike Taekwondo was 20, 30 years
ago.
And that a lot of thatattributes to to UFC and and the
popularism popularity of of UFCand mixed martial arts.
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I don't know if they're teachingI'm assuming they're teaching
the life skills with it.
I mean, as martial artists, I Ithink all school owners teach
life skills with that.
I mean, do you is that the samecase over there in Phoenix and
and Milwaukee as well?
Kochetti?
Is pints Brazilian jiu-jitsugaining popularity and and
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Phoenix as well?
SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
I think so.
I think martial arts in general,everybody's intrigued by it.
Um it definitely helps that Ithink the UFC invested 20 or
something million dollars intotheir UFC jujitsu program.
And so, you know, a lot ofpeople are inquiring about that
as well.
We have a seven-time worldchampion jujitsu professor that
in charge of our program,Professor Venusius, he's
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phenomenal.
It helps, gives us recognition,and he still competes, which is
kind of nice.
Yeah, I think I think allmartial arts is on the kind of
on the right.
SPEAKER_01 (30:03):
And here at least, in Arizona.
You Master Chong, over in uhWisconsin and Milwaukee.
SPEAKER_00 (30:09):
I I don't think a lot of MMA gyms have caught up.
I I think MMA gyms in generalare about 30 years where
Tekuundo was 30 years ago in the70s and 80s.
It was a lot of tournament-basedtype stuff.
It was kind of like the onlygame in town, right?
Tekwondo and Karate schools,there wasn't a lot of MMA yet.
The you the rules weren't asunified as they are now.
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And and I don't think Brazilian,I think the only schools that
people got into that wasgrappling was judo schools,
right, back in the day.
And I think over time, nowyou're seeing Brazilian Jiu
Jitsu on the rise here inMilwaukee as well.
Um, and some kickboxing schoolsthat have popped up as well.
But I don't, I I think the thethe bread and butter of a
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traditional martial arts schoollike Taekwondo should be
character development and basicbody mechanics for self-defense.
And then once again, why not adda little bit of additional MMA
type striking curriculum intoyour classes that's fully
enjoyable?
And I I I know I do this all thetime.
I I'll be like, hey, anybodywatching the fights this weekend
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at my black belt class?
And I would have to say 90% ofmy students were like, have no
idea.
And the 10% that are fans wouldbe like, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna
go see the fights this weekend.
So even MMA hasn't fully hit themasses yet in terms of their
stars and who they are.
But I don't think it's a fear.
I really think I think you'vegot to kind of start embracing
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it.
It's not going UFC and MMA isnot going away, right?
And if you want to stay on thecutting edge, I think it's one
of the things that a traditionalschool owner should look into.
I know we have, and we're veryproud of the fact that we lean
into it and make it a part ofour curriculum.
It's not a hundred percent ofwhat we do, you know.
I also do a streama and stickfighting.
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It's a small sliver of what wedo.
And I know some Filipino schoolswere like, that's not a real
escrema school.
I'm like, yeah, we're not.
We we we teach the basics, butif if my students happen to be
in a fight and there happened tobe a stick there, they would
kind of know how to use it asopposed to not doing it.
And uh, and uh, but anyway,going back to the MMA, I think
uh MMA strikes, I think it'sit's it's just a necessary
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evolution of what we should doas traditional school owners um
and incorporating the the nextwave of that.
SPEAKER_01 (32:24):
Coach Eddie, for traditional school owners who
have no what what is your firstrecommendation?
How should they transfer or howshould they start incorporating
that striking system uh intotheir into their curriculum,
traditional curriculum?
What is your first piece ofadvice for them?
SPEAKER_03 (32:46):
Well, the first step would be go to eddycha.com and
contact us and we will get youstarted.
Everything is laid out, thecurriculum, there's tons of
technical schools that arealready implementing it.
Chad Lee is one of them.
We have five studios that aredoing it.
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Everybody's doing I think theirbiggest fear is I don't know how
to get started, or I don't knowenough to teach it.
We have videos, but on top ofthat, the biggest thing is if I
if I go do a seminar out there,everybody's con everybody wants
to do it differently.
But Friday, we can do stafftraining.
Get them comfortable to how tojab or across or the basic
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asterisk, the head movement,right?
And then having we can even dolike okay, show me how you can
teach a class first 15 minutesgo.
What to say, key points, how tostructure a class.
But it's honestly it's not thathard.
You gotta start somewhere.
And it starts with just by doingthe videos, you know?
SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
So that would be well to to educate our audience,
Coach Eddie, am I correct,assuming correct, that you're
available for a seminar for theweekend.
So any of the school owners whoare interested, they can fly you
out to their school and you'reavailable on a seminar for like
Friday, Saturday, seminarsession to teach them, the
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school owner and the staff andtheir students.
Is that is that correct?
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
Yes, sir.
When I'm in town, but you know,sometimes I get a little hooked
up.
But if I'm in town, I love goingto travel.
I go, I love going to look atother schools and see their
setups, uh, their curriculum.
It's fun.
I enjoy going to seminars.
SPEAKER_00 (34:27):
So so the way we did it when we had you out, coach,
is Friday, Friday during theday, we had all our staff learn
all the basics, how to throw ajab, jab cross, all the
different punching combinations,how to move the head, how to
hold mitts, and then how to putthese combinations in sequence
together.
And it it it it made our staff alot more confident in what they
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were learning.
And then that in turn made themvery confident.
And then our staff the followingday, we told our students that
we were going to do a newcurriculum and that we're going
to learn from the source.
Our black belts came and theyheld mitts for the lower ranks.
So we did two seminars.
We did a seminar for our lowerranks to introduce all the
curriculum and taught them howto do all the basic punches.
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And so we had a lot ofmid-holders out there, had all
the kids learn all the basicsand show off curriculum.
What was comical to me is that Iwas sort of like, hey, coach,
these are kids.
Um, you gotta talk to kids alittle different, and you can't
talk to them like they're grownadults.
You were brilliant.
He he really knows how to work ahe's a master teacher, he just
knows how to work with kids andand all that.
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And then in the afternoon, wedid a advanced level coaching
for all our our red and blackbelts, and that knew a little
bit more before coach came out.
And uh, you know, I it it washighly enjoyable.
It was two hours each.
We made obviously all the moneyback and then some from gear
sales and also from seminarfees.
So it was a win-win for us.
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It was the school made a littlebit of money, coach made some
money, and it was it wasperfect.
And it was a good time for me tokind of get immersed in your
philosophies and and doing it.
What's crazy to me is you and Iare the same age, yet I don't
move like you.
Uh I've been trying to copy you.
SPEAKER_03 (36:10):
You feel better.
SPEAKER_00 (36:12):
My kids are like, my own kids are like, Dad, why do
you look so old?
I'm I'm like, what do you mean?
I move just like Coach Eddie.
I move like a cat.
Look.
But uh anyway, that's not theresponse I got from my own
children.
And my kids, they they love umhere's another kind of thing,
right?
I think most taekwondo masters'kids, they're not like they're
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kind of burnt out from doingtaekwondo.
My kids, like, oh Coach Eddie'scoming.
Okay, dad, I'm gonna be at theschool.
I'm gonna go learn.
So I think I I knew we had a hitwhen even my own children were
like coming in to like learnyour stuff and and learn from
you.
unknown (36:47):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (36:48):
So I guess I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_01 (36:49):
Coach Eddie, how Coach Eddie, how long what
what's the average time it takesfor school owners and their
staff to get that strikingsystem, learn that striking
system and implement into theirclassroom?
SPEAKER_03 (37:04):
I think everybody's different, but it it all depends
how much you put into it, likeanything else, right?
Like some people pick it upquickly, some people don't.
But the biggest thing that weall have in common is we're all
instructors.
We know how to teach.
And so I could teach, uh I'm abluebell jiu-jitsu, and I
haven't rolled 10, 15 years, butI could go teach a basic
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jiu-jitsu class, I could goteach a techno double class, I
could go teach anything if Ineeded to.
And I think techno instructorsare the same way.
Uh I think they lack confidencebecause it's something new, but
teaching to me is the samething.
All you need is a format and astructure.
Warm-ups, what you're gonnateach, for how long.
Just little things.
It's a to be honest, you for me,I don't think it takes that
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long.
Especially when you're doingtwo-hour seminars, two seminars,
if you go back to back, you'regonna be proficient at holding
and you're gonna know the basicfundamentals.
Um, and then from there, it'sjust a matter of how you teach,
you know, what your goal is, howyou get to choose the
curriculum, but it's honestlynot that hard.
And it's not the first timetechno guys are throwing
punches, right?
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So instead of throwing it fromyour your hips, they would just
be here.
That's the biggest thing I seethat when I go to techno
summers, that'd say one, two, wewould throw like this, they will
go this every time they throwthe two, the hand goes down.
Uh, but it's just little things,just changing habits.
But I don't think it's thathard.
SPEAKER_01 (38:26):
Last quote, last question, Master Chan, and and
let's wrap up.
But I'm sorry, go ahead, MasterChan.
SPEAKER_00 (38:31):
No, no, I was gonna say when we first learned, it
took us, I want to say there waslike uh three to six month lag
time because I wanted to makesure my instructors knew how to
do it.
And and, you know, our warmupsare in instead of horse riding
stance, is all the combos one,two, three, right, two, three,
two, five, two, threes, andlearning it in different
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sequences and then moving andteaching head movement.
Your footwork drills are great,so it's all practical stuff on
how to move and how to likeevade an attack and do counters
and and then the technologyfootwork, we still we still use
that.
So there are some things thatyou're just kind of enhancing.
And then the second piece wouldbe applying that from a
self-defense realm.
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So if someone throws a uh a jab,how do you deal with that?
If someone throws a one-two, howdo you deal with that?
Someone throws a two, uh, uh,uh, a right hand overhand punch,
how do you deal with that?
If someone throws a hook, how doyou roll against that or or
evade that as well?
So just like common things thatuse that you may see.
Back in the day, I used to lookat the world star videos.
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You know, do you guys rememberWorld Star?
You see all those fights thatwould happen, and I'd be like,
what would I do?
Would I would I go into a Goobyand Dkooby and do a knife hand
block, or what would be thepractical way of dealing with
that from a thing?
Now I feel a lot more confidentin knowing your stuff, and and
and then you get to see it, youget to see your stuff in action
on a UFC weekend is verysatisfying to see and and
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saying, okay, that this is thisstuff is is out there.
People are doing it.
SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
This is great stuff.
Coach Eddie, good luck to yournext couple of fights.
It's gonna be right around thecorner of this weekend with
Tracy and then next month withHenry Sujuto.
Huge big fights.
I encourage everybody, ouraudience, to check it out as
well.
Let's wrap up there.
SPEAKER_00 (40:13):
You know, and Matt, real real quick, I don't know if
you know, but Coach Eddie is themaster of languages.
So this next couple fights, he'sgonna translate all in Spanish
for E.
Espendi Portez.
So I don't know if you heard thestory, but they were missing a
translator for his uh fighterAQ, who is Chinese, and uh they
they brought him in to do theChinese translation.
SPEAKER_01 (40:36):
Oh, I didn't know you spoke.
I didn't know you spoke Chinese,Coach Eddie.
SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Spanish, Hungarian, Russian.
The man is a man of manylanguages.
SPEAKER_02 (40:45):
So So did you just say anything?
Did you just make up words onthe interview?
SPEAKER_03 (40:50):
You know, like if we were to speak Korean, we add a
couple English words.
So all I did was listen, andthen I heard uh fight ready,
then I heard coach, then I heardSheshe, which is thank you.
Everybody knows that, right?
So then I just kind of I kind ofwent with it.
Me at DC had a good time.
We were we were cracking up alittle bit.
SPEAKER_01 (41:10):
Oh my god, that's too funny.
All right, all right.
Bastard Chun Lee, Coach EddieChad, thank you for joining us
today and sharing your insightson how traditional martial arts
can evolve by understanding themindset and methods of modern
mixed martial arts for ourlisteners.
Whether you're a school owner,instructor, or lifelong martial
artist, today's conversation isa reminder that growth doesn't
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mean losing tradition, it meansadapting, innovating, and
continuing to learn.
If you want to learn more aboutCoach Eddie Cha's striking
system and the incredible workbeing done at Fight Ready Gym in
Scottsdale, Arizona, check outthe links in our show notes or
YouTube description.
Thanks again, Coach Eddie.
And to everybody turn it tuningin.
(41:55):
Don't forget to subscribe, leavea review, and join our community
of martial art professionalsstriving to elevate the industry
together.
Pastor Chon Lee, thank you aswell.
Until next time, see you guys onthe next episode.
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