September 30, 2025 • 44 mins
Besties Angella and Leslie, two 60-something year old Black women, reveal their concerns over artificial intelligence and explore how AI can enhance rather than threaten their lives.
They reference an episode of John Hope Bryant’s Money and Wealth podcast entitled “How Black America Can Win with AI” where Bryant and his guests Van Jones and Sheldon Gilbert illustrate how AI can serve as a “survival guide, a playbook and a warning label”
How Black America Can Win with AI | John Hope Bryant, Van Jones & Sheldon Gilbert
The Besties advise not to be afraid to start engaging with AI tools like ChatGPT—find the voices you trust who are talking about AI and find your entry point, because the opportunity window is easily accessible.
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0:00 Meet the Black Boomer Besties
1:00 AI is Already Everywhere
5:33 Black Voices in the AI Revolution
10:22 Angella's Chat GPT Experiment
19:00 The Human Side of AI Interaction
27:30 Finding Your AI Entry Point
37:00 Practical Applications in Education and Healthcare
43:20 Creating Opportunity with AI Agents
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SPEAKER_02 (00:02):
Hey Ange.
Hey Les, what's cooking?
All good in this world.
I thought you were gonna say allgood in the neighborhood.
That's true, too.
You trick me, you psych me out.
SPEAKER_03 (00:20):
Well, folks, welcome to another episode of Black
Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Hey guys, I'm Angela.
That's Leslie, my best friend ofalmost 50 years.
We are two 60-something-year-oldfree-thinking Black women who
have decided to be more bold andjoyful in our lives.
And we invite you to come alongwith us.
(00:46):
Come along with us through thispodcast, through these videos.
Come along with us by livingyour life with more boldness and
more joy.
Today we are jumping in to theAI sphere, the AI verse.
(01:10):
We are no longer afraid.
The AI ocean.
We're going to be able to do it.
Well, I'm not gonna say we're nolonger afraid.
Hold on.
We we we we're a little scared,but we're gonna do it anyway.
That's the point.
We're don't be scared.
We're gonna do it anyway, and weare going to be um um kind of
(01:31):
sharing some insights we gotfrom uh a video, um John Hope
Bryant's podcast.
Um the video is called How BlackAmericans Can Win with AI.
It's uh John John Hope Bryant,Van Jones, and Sheldon Gilbert.
(01:52):
And we watched the podcast,listened to it, uh have some
nuggets for you, and also I tookthe action that they said to
take.
Today I did.
SPEAKER_02 (02:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
And so I want to We'll hear about that.
Yeah, we're gonna talk aboutthat and what I did and what
happened, so you won't beafraid.
So I'm gonna read a few thingsthat really kind of grabbed my
attention.
Leslie, I don't know if you didthe same thing, but one of the
things that was said is that AIis going to tear the floor out
(02:30):
from under you, but it is alsogoing to tear the ceiling off
from over you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
In other words, hold on, hold on.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
It would have been scarier to me if I didn't
already know that AI iseverywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Okay.
I already know it.
Yes.
So everywhere like where?
Where do you know it for a fact?
Oh, I know that it is in media.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
It is in it is in the on the internet, obviously.
It is in medicine, it is ineducation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
It is Can you give me two examples of what how it
shows up in those places?
Like two really practicalexamples.
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
I'll tell you right now in medicine.
Uh on the podcast, theymentioned robotic um surgery.
You all do know that there arerobotic surgeries where robots
are actually robotic arms areover the patient doing the
surgery.
The surgeon does not have hishands on the patient.
(03:47):
He is in the corner in a littlebooth working his fingers like
this.
And it's very interesting tosee.
I mean, we've been doing roboticsurgeries now for many years,
but um but that's all AI andalgorithm driven.
We already know that ourpolitics are um algorithm
(04:10):
driven.
In fact, I'm gonna take it umoutside of the realm of
politics, but just think aboutthis podcast and our YouTube
videos and and our YouTubepresence.
There is so much of the um uh ofthe um our content that is
scrutinized and um we fall intowhat are those things called um
(04:36):
algorithms, I guess.
You know, they look at thealgorithms and they they um
categorize our podcasts and theyuh monitor monitor monetize it
in certain ways.
I mean, it's already there.
So I think knowing that took alot of the fear away from me.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Okay.
And I'll even add that one ofthe reasons why I've been
getting these little sharp painsright here, Les.
I meant to tell you that rightin here.
Anyway, for another podcast.
Um one of the reasons why Ithought it was important for us
to start getting our voices outthere in the web sphere on their
(05:22):
on these internet streets isbecause I thought it was really
important to get the voices ofolder black women out there.
I wanted it to be a part of thediscourse, right?
I wanted it to not be somale-dominant, so white
(05:43):
dominant, so whatever dominant.
I wanted it to include us,right?
Two older black women.
It was important because data isbeing gathered.
And so if your voices aren't inthere, if your your points of
view, if your the things thatmatter to you is not a part of
(06:08):
the data, then whatever isdesigned will not include you.
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Exactly.
It's almost like we've all heardof those instances where they've
created algorithms when you havethe when you're in bathrooms
with those sinks and they seethey sense the presence of your
hand under the faucet.
Well, very often I put my handsthere and nothing comes out.
(06:34):
And what I've heard, I haven'tverified it, is that there were
not many melanated people, ornot enough melanated people in
the uh algorithm that woulddetect the presence of hands
under that faucet, and hence itmight not be picking up the fact
that we're there.
So whether that's true or not,if you think about it, if
(06:59):
algorithms drive behaviors anddrive what we see and what is
created, then all meaning adiversity of voices need to be
part of it.
So many of us, I know manypeople say, I don't like the
(07:20):
idea, I don't like where this isgoing, so I'm not going to log
in or lend my voice to it.
I think the opposite should betrue because I think that we all
should be represented.
And we also want a truerepresentation of what's out
there, not just certaindemographics or certain people.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So um we will obviously put alink to the file, and um, we're
gonna try to get some of whatwas said on the video, some
actually actual um snips of thepodcast, their podcast, um uh
(08:01):
John Hope Bryan's podcast, soyou can hear some of this and
hear the parts that really justkind of struck me.
It struck me so much.
And the other thing, it musthave struck Les because I sent
it to her and I'm like, Les,listen to this.
Tell me what you think.
And I listen to this.
And typically, this chick rightthere, she would run.
(08:22):
And I don't know what to, Idon't know how to, I'm I don't
know what I would what would Isay?
This is I no, that's not whathappened.
She said, yes, let's do it.
Another thing he said is um umVan Jones says um that you know
(08:43):
we have Black History Month,we've had it for a while.
A lot of um countries know aboutpeople like like um Harriet
Tubman because we have BlackAmericans have been so vocal
about um black history, and itdoes reach um out to the whole
(09:04):
world.
And he said, What about theblack future?
I would trade, I would trade inabout um, wait, I would trade in
a hundred black history monthsfor one black future week.
So he was really kind of um umsounding the clarion um horn
(09:28):
call.
Is it the horn?
Is it a call?
Is it a clarion?
Is a call, the clarion call forblack folks to get on board with
AI and to remove the fear ofengaging with it because it is
going to he said we could bemaking a real wakanda, and you
(09:52):
know, a lot of people don'tunderstand it.
We don't understand it, a lot ofpeople, including everyone else.
It's not only us that don'tunderstand it.
So, how about trying tounderstand it a little bit and
get ahead of the curve?
So, you know what I did?
What?
(10:12):
I went to the coffee shop today,okay, hanging out, uh, and I got
on Chat GPT.
It's not my first time, but thistime I did it with intention.
Like I was like, okay, I'm gonnado what these people told me to
do because you know it just madea whole lot of sense to me.
(10:33):
There's a lot in this video.
We highly recommend that youlisten to it.
SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
You know, I've been on it.
I've just I just don't think toget on it very often, but I've
been on it a couple of times.
I have the app.
Okay.
But how could Chat B GPT knowmore than me?
unknown (10:52):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Don't answer that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:54):
Shh, you idiot.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
Okay.
All right.
Is that how you feel about it?
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
But it's not my go-to, but it's a a lot of
people's go-to, though.
SPEAKER_00 (11:03):
So here's the thing.
I'm gonna um I'm gonna I'm gonnago to what I typed in today,
right?
Okay.
And let's see if it's um I havea different account on my phone.
SPEAKER_03 (11:19):
If it told you to unfriend me, don't listen to it.
You've been carrying that womanfor far too long.
The gigs up.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
The jigsaw.
Okay, so I'm gonna try to, I'mgonna go on.
I was I was trying to do it onmy phone, but it's not gonna let
me.
So I'm gonna go.
I was doing this on my laptop,right?
So I went to Chat GBT and I satdown and it asked me something
like, oh, so what's going on?
(11:54):
How are you feeling today?
So I'm it did?
SPEAKER_03 (11:58):
Yeah.
It just when you open up theapp, that's what it asks.
You remember the we that I got?
It would start asking Omari,well, I haven't seen Leslie for
a while.
What is she doing?
I didn't get on the we andexercise.
It's a little creepy, but goahead.
So so you open up the app and itsays.
(12:19):
So it said, What's on your mind?
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
What's on your mind?
And so I said, okay, I'll tellyou what's on my mind.
And I wrote, I coach older womenon how to use their natural
talents to design more joy intotheir lives.
What are other options I havefor earning$20,000 a year?
I just put a number in there.
(12:41):
I wanted, I'm just, I'm justplaying with it, right?
Yes.
But here is the key part.
I then said, what questions canI answer for you to help me
decide what to do?
SPEAKER_03 (12:53):
Now, did it prompt you to ask that follow-up
question?
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
But what I have already learned about AI, and
because I'm a technologist, Iworked in technology for over 30
years, I know that the moreinformation you give, you input
into a system, the better theresults of the system, right?
Garbage in, garbage out.
(13:19):
Because, you know, okay.
That that's a basic umprinciple.
So because I knew that I didn'twant some kind of generic
answer, because it'll generatean answer if I didn't ask that
specific question, but I wantedto give it an opportunity to get
to know me a little better.
(13:40):
Okay.
So I said, what questions can Ianswer for you to help me decide
what to do?
Right?
Guess what it said?
It said, Thank you for beingopen and clear.
You're already asking the rightkind of questions.
Since you're considering how toearn$20,000 a year in a way that
(14:03):
feels joyful and aligned, let'sexplore options from a place of
clarity, not just practicality.
I'm reading verbatim.
What?
To help identify your mostfulfilling and viable income
streams, here are 10 questionsI'd like you to answer.
They'll help us uncover yourskills, desires, values, and
(14:27):
opportunities.
SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
This is crazy.
This is what this is like you'resitting next to somebody talking
to you.
That's right.
A smart person.
A smart coach.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
Okay.
So it asked me 10 questions.
They're they're categorized asclarity questions like who are
you and what matters?
And then resource questions,what um, what you have and can
use, and then an opportunity andincome set of questions.
So there were two to threequestions in each cat.
(15:01):
Actually, the first one had fivequestions.
So I'll read some of what thequestions are, but then I want
to talk about it a little bitbecause I I noticed some things
as I was answering thesequestions.
So the questions are um, what doyou most enjoy doing, whether or
not you get paid for it?
(15:21):
What are three compliments youregularly receive about your
personality, your impact, oryour work?
That's smart.
What kinds of conversations,topics, or problems make you
feel alive, energized, or deeplyuseful?
What kind of work drains you?
(15:43):
Ooh, we know that, even ifyou're good at it.
And then the final one underclarity um, what are your
non-negotiables for how you wantto feel in your work?
For example, peaceful, creative,social, um, autonomous.
(16:03):
Les, as I started answering thequestions, you I can't believe
you're engaging with that inthis.
I answered, I answered all thequestions.
And it said, it said, um, onceyou answer these, I'll help you
brainstorm three to fiverealistic and joyful income
options that align with yourlifestyle, talents, and energy.
(16:24):
Think of it as building a sidejoy income plan.
That is what it said.
Wow.
Then it said, Wanna dive in?
I said yes.
I said, I'm almost in shock.
I'm telling you.
So this is what I said.
I answered the questions.
(16:47):
I enjoy sewing, crocheting,giving useful advice, getting
people unstuck, helping peoplesee real possibilities for
getting what they want out oflife, and mentoring.
I get compliments that I help togive fresh new perspectives.
I have a bright, caringpersonality, that I am bold in
(17:09):
vision and action.
And the topics that energize meare how people let go of
outdated assumptions, equalityin the world, relocating to
Panama, and what drains me arefinancial stuff.
My non-negotiables are feelingpeaceful, helpful, and creative.
(17:34):
It responded with, thank you,Angela.
You're already painted, you'vealready painted a powerful
picture.
Your gifts are both creative andtransformational, and your joy
comes from being helpful andexpressive.
SPEAKER_03 (17:49):
And I would be looking in the phone like, is
there anybody in there?
Really?
Is there somebody in there?
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
Based on what you've shared so far, you're rich in
possibilities.
Before I offer tailored incomeideas, let's take a moment to
look at the deeper themes inyour responses, and then it
continues.
So I want to just stop there fora moment because here's what I
realized.
I get this is crazy.
It's isn't it beautiful?
(18:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
I just thought of something too.
Remind me to talk about the thethought about curriculum that I
just came up with.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Sure.
So so here's something that Ithought about.
I thought about the fact thatanswering these questions came
really easy to me.
But there's some people forwhich these questions, the
answers to these questions,wouldn't come easily.
Like how many times in mycoaching in my life I've asked
(18:48):
people, who are you?
Or what do you what do you liketo do?
What brings you joy?
Yeah.
What brings you joy?
Yeah.
What do you and what what whowho are you outside of what you
do at work?
And people really, it's almostlike either they've never been
asked, or they never considerthemselves outside of what they
(19:17):
do.
What they do at work, what theydo for others.
And so I was just thinking thatthe questions themselves may
really be challenging to somepeople.
And so I want to like I wouldlove to hear from you guys.
You know, yeah, like talk to meabout what would be challenging
about that.
(19:38):
It reminded me of, you know, mymy morning writing.
I used to write like for threeyears every morning.
Right.
And I would talk to Leslie aboutit, you know, yeah, my morning
writing, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, I just, I just writestream of consciousness is, you
know, just whatever comes tomind.
I write it down.
And Leslie was terrified of it.
What do you mean?
You just write down I could Icould write two things and then
(20:00):
I'm stuck.
I'm like, Leslie, your brain isgoing all the time.
What do you mean?
But yeah.
So it's this idea, like, so whydo you think um um answering
these things might cause somepeople to have a lot of people?
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
I'll tell you, it takes a certain level of
training to be able to tap intoyour inner mind.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
We are so outwardly focused.
And just think in order tocontemplate some of the things
that are going on in our minds,let alone in our bodies, we hire
people.
We hire people to help usmeditate.
SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
We hire people to do body work.
We hire psychiatrists andpsychologists to help us sort
out feelings.
So we don't need to hire peopleto show us how to go to work or
how to do our jobs after we'retrained to do our jobs.
So a lot I I also know, like, Imean, just think about when we
(21:09):
get in a car or when we're in asituation, you know, it's when
you wake up in the morning, thefirst thing you do, you either
pick up your phone or you turnon the radio, or you get in your
car and turn on the radio.
The thing is, being by ourselveswith our thoughts is kind of
foreign to us.
I see.
And can be scary when faced withthat.
(21:32):
So if someone asked me, youknow, what do people compliment
you on, or what things do youfind joy in, or whatever, you
know, outside of my work, I'dhave to take some time to think
about that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I see.
I see.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
And I think that um And you're already primed for
that type of introspection orthat type of thought.
So that's why when when whenChatGPT asked you, when your
friend Chat asked you thosequestions, for me, it would
have, I would have been likeasking it another question.
(22:16):
Could you help me answer thequestions that your buddy chat
over there just asked me?
You're like, say what now?
That's what kid would say.
Say what now?
I would not have um been so uhit wouldn't have been easy for
me to answer so readily.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Right.
Yeah.
And I and I did think aboutthat.
One of one of the things that Ihave over the years become more
and more um present to is um isthe the idea of what's easy for
one person doesn't mean it'seasy for another, right?
(22:52):
You know, and that um that's whyI was so kind of tuned to, yeah,
these questions are easy for me,but it's not everyone that would
that would find it easy toanswer these.
Sure.
Um it kind of went on.
The conversation with me andchat GPT went on, on and on and
(23:15):
on, um, back and forth, all theway down to um it giving me um
five ideas on how to make$20,000doing some of the things that
bring me joy and value.
Not only did it give five um umsuggestions, it then asked me um
(23:40):
which one kind of speaks to meas um and it actually said some
let me see if I could find thelanguage.
It said, um, I love this part.
It said um it said, where areyou?
Where are you?
It was a long, long conversationhere.
(24:01):
Um basically what it was saying,because I can't find it, is to
to to kind of check in withmyself to see whether the one
that I'm choosing kind of honorsfreedom, which is important to
(24:22):
me, and um and joy.
So it it it did the work, yeah.
It did your work as a coach.
Yes, this is yes, kind of scary.
No, I I'm I'm telling you,right?
Um, so I one of the things thatit recommended is that I do
(24:43):
something on Substack, and thatis a new kind of online um um uh
where creatives um write and uhit's it's it's kind of like it's
kind of like blogging, but itactually sends an email to um to
subscribers um or um to peoplewho um would want content like
(25:11):
yours, right?
So you get the letter or you getthe the um the entry in your
email.
And so I went on to Substack.
What?
And I'm I'm not gonna tell youeverything because y'all are
gonna have to come back to it,or when you guys set up a um uh
(25:32):
a free conference call a freecoaching call with me, you can
hear what I actually did.
But here's what this is crazy.
Wow.
Crazy.
So here's what was interesting.
So I went on to Substack, right?
And there's some controversygoing on now because um it
(25:54):
allowed some inappropriateSubstack pushed some
inappropriate material to itsits um readership, and there's
some backlash going on aroundit, right?
Some discriminatory um stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
And this is all AI driven anyway.
So that's the point.
Here's the point.
First of all, the fact that youinteracted with chat people in
the way that you did, yes, andyou actually fed it information
about you and your personhoodand your desires and likes,
right?
Yes.
You got some feedback, and nowit's a two-way conversation
(26:33):
conversation, so that the AIalgorithms and it's forming
opinions about what's going on,and all of that is being
incorporated so that yourresponses they're taking into
account when they interact withother users.
That's right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
That's right.
That's right.
And um, the reason why Imentioned this controversy um on
Substack, I actually typed itin.
I said, hey, there's somethinggoing on with I was having an
all-up conversation withChatGPT.
(27:13):
I said, um, so there's somebrou-ha-ha going on with um with
Substack.
And, you know, what what do youthink?
Do you think that I should stillmove forward on it?
And it said, um, yeah, somethinghas um has come up.
Um and you know, so it wasaware.
(27:38):
This is something that I thinkit happened like two days ago or
something like that.
And I said, you know, I'm notsure if this platform kind of
aligns with with who I am, typeof thing.
And it said, um Well, now that Ialready know you.
Well, yeah, basically it said,um, we get it.
Here are some positives formoving forward with it, here's
(27:59):
some negatives, and here aresome alternatives.
What?
Yes, uh, and I was like, I waslike, and you know, this is
crazy, and it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
All listen, don't quit me and go to Chat GPT,
okay?
Because right now it might, Icould not engage with you in
this level.
I could not give you the fivesuggestions, I couldn't answer
the questions.
I'm just telling you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:31):
Oh my gosh.
It's it's in a way, it's scary.
I'll tell, I'll tell you, yousee how it's interacting with
you in a way that started out ina non-serious way, and you're
just trying things out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:45):
You know now that people are interacting with Chat
GPT for companionship.
SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
I heard about that.
SPEAKER_03 (28:54):
And there are I I in this case I've heard of men who
are falling in love with ChatGPT.
Really?
Um, one man says he marriedChatGT.
He's married.
And he says that this is hisother spouse, and his spouse was
on the on the radio also, andshe said she didn't mind that
(29:17):
their interactions and theirconnection.
But um, if you think about it, Imean, ChatGPT, and I'm not sure
if it's designed this way, butit was essentially giving him
the responses and the attentionthat a human being wife was
(29:41):
unable to give him by virtue ofhaving a life, being alive,
taking care of children,working, etc., etc.
But if you think about it, ChatGPT is available to you whenever
you want and can respond to youin a way that you feel that you
need.
So hence.
If Chat GPT is telling me howgreat and engaging and what
(30:05):
lovely conversations we have,whereas my spouse over there is
too busy changing diapers andwashing dishes, why wouldn't I
be engaging more with Chat GPT?
So very, very interesting.
Because one is real and oneRight.
But I mean, if you think aboutit, why not have both?
(30:29):
I okay.
And is that cheating?
You know, I'm almost feeling alittle jealous about your
interaction with this inanimateuh program for the last couple
of hours, you know, when theseare conversations that you and I
have had, you know, over theyears and whatever.
(30:49):
In a way, you don't need me tohave this conversation with you
anymore.
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying this conversationabout what possibilities could I
use to make 20 grand a year.
You don't have to have that.
You can you can use it to tellme what your friend chat told
you.
SPEAKER_02 (31:10):
But no more input needed, Les.
SPEAKER_00 (31:14):
I got it.
I'm already there.
I'm gonna pretend, I'm gonnagive it like a name, like it's
gonna be a whole nother person.
Chuck.
And so you know, but seriously.
Seriously, folks.
The point of this podcast is toremove some of the fear for you
(31:40):
to just engage in in a way thatyou feel comfortable.
Um ask ask it questions, um, seewhat it see what it's it's it's
all about.
Um so you're not just completelycut off.
And listen, find um find ways oflearning more about it.
(32:02):
Find your, you know, go on toYouTube.
Um Karen Hunter is talking aboutAI.
You know, all of these peopleare talking about AI.
Find the voices that you arecomfortable with, that you trust
who are talking about this, andfind your entry in because I do
(32:22):
believe that there is anopportunity here, and the the
the time window is not that big.
What they're saying is withinfive to six years, the
revolution is going to happen.
SPEAKER_03 (32:41):
Yeah, and you want to get in on the on the
beginning.
What what's most impressive, andI can joke about it and things
like that, but what's mostimpressive to me about it is the
power of the tool.
Yeah.
If we use it as a tool,obviously you're not gonna give
a hammer to a toddler to bemisused or they can get hurt.
So, I mean, obviously thereneeds to be some caution
(33:02):
involved.
SPEAKER_04 (33:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (33:04):
Um but it's a powerful tool.
And the other thing is everyonein that sense is using it.
It's not like if you stay out ofit, it's not going to impact
you.
True.
You know, um I think that's theimportant part.
Here's something that I thoughtof that I think is a really good
idea.
I should be a curriculumdeveloper.
(33:25):
Um You could do that.
There are so many um challengesin education now with students
using these algorithms and chatum programs and chat GPT and
things like that to write theirprogram, write their um homework
and their assignments and thingslike that.
(33:47):
And instructors are reallystruggling with how to know if
students have been doing thingson their own or versus not done.
But I have an idea.
When you were reading about thequestions that you asked Chat
GPT, that's again not somethingthat I would have readily come
(34:10):
up with.
SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
How about embracing the idea of AI assistance in
school by teaching students whatquestions you should present to
Chat GPT to get the responsesthat would be most helpful to
you to get this assignment done.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (34:34):
So we're not saying what is the capital of Costa
Rica.
We may be asking other questionsthat can generate a different uh
response from these umalgorithms.
Right.
I think that would be great.
And then so kids know orstudents know that they have
(34:55):
permission to use it, but theystill have to use it in a
thoughtful way.
SPEAKER_00 (35:00):
Right.
Right.
It reminds me of um when mychildren, the older two, were
first getting into video games,right?
And man, I was like a I was likea drill sergeant.
I was really not embracing itand just it was just to me a
distraction, like like um, youknow, not anything that was
(35:25):
helpful, useful.
And so I would really limit howmuch time I just was a just like
a a dragon around it, right?
And then I I changed myperspective on it because I was
like and it came from sittingdown with them and playing some
games with them.
I was horrible at them, but I'verealized that many of the games
(35:47):
that they were playing um had ummultiple possible outcomes,
right?
So they were actually creatingstories because based on what
you do, where you are, what youhave on your on your tool belt
and that type of thing, youcould choose different outcomes.
(36:11):
It wasn't like this, um, okay,you you um the way that we
thought about games where it'sdesigned to do one thing and you
just kind of go through it andyou end up one thing.
Well, the games, you know, atthat time, and please don't
laugh at me, guys.
Don't laugh at me.
The Sims, remember The Sims?
The Sims, and even like thingslike that.
(36:31):
I remember that.
I'm just hugely creative part oftheir brains that were engaged
with these games.
And when I realized that, thatthey were actually um um
choosing outcomes, that theywere using their own sense of
right and wrong to go this wayversus that way, to help this
(36:55):
person to not to choose thisweapon versus this one, it just
started to shift the way that Ithought about those things.
And that came to mind herebecause we might have these
ideas about the kind ofoverwhelming aspects of AI, but
I've gotta believe, you've gottabelieve that there are there are
(37:18):
ways that you can engage with itthat are helpful just in the way
that just came to you just offthe top of your head, yeah, that
can be helpful in the realm thatyou're in.
You know, if you're a teacher,if you're a nurse, or if you,
you know, are home careattendant, or if you are um a
manager at work, just thinkingabout how AI can help you to do
(37:44):
those things better instead ofcarrying the weight of, oh my
God, it's taking over the world.
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I I just thought ofsomething in the realm of
anesthesiology, actually.
Let's just say, I mean,obviously, I go into the OR with
a patient who is a whole personwith a whole um series of
physiologic um issues andchanges and whatever.
What if I input all of thepatients, and all of this
(38:14):
information, by the way, isbeing captured in our medical
record anyway, because we useelectronic medical records.
So their past medical history isthere, their um their allergies,
everything's there.
What if I went in and used ChatGPT to formulate a healthy
anesthetic plan?
(38:34):
You know, and it would say,well, don't use succinylcholine
because their potassium iselevated to begin with.
Use instead the muscle relaxantrock uronium.
And you will need to use, I'mjust saying, not to say that to
say that I need, you know, acheat sheet right now, but it
may say, wait, remember, thispatient has a porphyria.
(38:57):
You don't want to use this suchand such.
I mean, and a lot of thesethings come up in a bubble if,
you know, because again, we useelectronic records.
So they do come up and say, youknow, when you put in your um
that you're about to input whatantibiotic you gave them, let's
say, it comes up flags.
Remember, this patient has thisallergy.
(39:18):
But you can have it print out awhole or come up with a whole
plan, and you were like, wait aminute, we don't have this
medication available.
What would you substituteinstead that is safe for this
patient?
Yeah.
And, you know, it would beinteresting.
SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
That is such a great idea.
And it goes back to what whatcame up in the in the podcast,
um, the um John Ho Bryant, howblack Americans can win with AI.
Um what what they talked about,I think this was Sheldon
Gilbert.
He was kind of the thetechnologist um in the
(39:56):
conversation.
And what he talked about was thefact that it's not that AI is
gonna take over everything,right?
But AI will will um what you cando with AI um is to create
agents.
AI creates agents, right?
(40:18):
And so what you just describedis you taking your expertise as
an anesthesiologist, recognizingthat there is a little gap here
or something that can beoptimized, whatever it is.
I'm not necessarily saying it'sthis example, but it is an
example of how you can use AI tocreate this agent to go in and
(40:41):
optimize a treatment plan for apatient.
And it's in creating theseagents that these gentlemen are
suggesting that um black folks,because we can see where there
are gaps, because we we have somuch ingenuity, because we have
been able to um take less andand and make the most of it, we
(41:05):
have these natural ways of umbeing resourceful that we can
use AI to create these agentsthat we see can fill a gap and
make those agents available.
SPEAKER_03 (41:19):
It's not an industry at this point where we are
behind.
Exactly.
There is there because everyoneis behind.
Correct.
And everyone is afraid of it,and everyone is unknowing and a
little reticent to jump in.
Exactly.
So why not educate yourself asmuch as possible and get in?
SPEAKER_04 (41:42):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (41:43):
The other thing I loved about the gentleman, the
technologist that was speakingabout all of this, he's um, I
think it's he's a moleculargenetics person.
SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Yeah, molecular um geneticist.
Geneticist.
SPEAKER_03 (41:57):
Yes.
And say that three times fast.
You know that's up in mywheelhouse.
Oh, go for it.
But actually, because he's anexpert in gene expression and
how he says that the immunesystem, boy, have I have a um uh
Radio Lab um episode that I needyou to listen to about this.
(42:20):
Sure.
But um the immune system is thisintelligent biological function
that is just amazing in the waythat it works in our bodies.
Right.
But he is an expert in genes andgene expressions and what these
things can do.
And so much of the AI models andframeworks are built in that
(42:42):
type of in that um in that typeof um um technology where you
input some information and theexpression of that information
is very vast.
What we need now is people whounderstand, who are not afraid,
and can input that information.
(43:04):
So there's still a role for somany of us.
SPEAKER_00 (43:07):
There are.
There are.
They they mentioned, you know,if it took 30 people to do the
thing, it's not gonna go down toAI doing all 30 things.
I mean, um replacing 30 people.
It will replace 20 people and itwill need 10 people.
There always has to be thishuman interaction, right?
So you need to be those 10.
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
Yeah, be those 10.
Me, I'll be on the beach inanother country.
But you guys be those 10.
SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
You be you see those 10.
SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
Me, I'll be on the beach.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Anyway, listen, this is um, this is uh two
60-something-year-old umfree-thinking women who are um
who have decided that we're notgonna just, you know, be on the
sidelines with AI.
We're gonna play with it.
SPEAKER_03 (43:56):
Yeah, we're not gonna be getting under the
covers.
SPEAKER_00 (43:58):
We're not.
We're not.
We're gonna play with it.
We'll give you updates on on howthings are going.
Um, but I I I I really feel thebug was trying to bite me, and
now I'm I'm I'm bit, I'mscratching the itch.
I'm scratching it.
SPEAKER_02 (44:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
All right.
Well, thanks for bringing thatto me.
That was very interesting,Angie.
Wow.
Thank you.
Yeah, it was good.
You can't replace me.
I won't.
SPEAKER_00 (44:24):
I will not do that.
You're stuck with me.
You know that.
Don't even try it.
Don't even try.
SPEAKER_03 (44:31):
You broke up some of uh you broke up again a little
bit, but uh okay.
All right.
All right, all right.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of AI generated black
boomer from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_04 (44:47):
You're scared, Brooklyn.
Hey Ange.
Hey Les, what's cooking?
All good in this world.
I thought you were gonna say allgood in the neighborhood.
That's true, too.
You trick me, you psych me out.
SPEAKER_03 (00:20):
Well, folks, welcome to another episode of Black
Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Hey guys, I'm Angela.
That's Leslie, my best friend ofalmost 50 years.
We are two 60-something-year-oldfree-thinking Black women who
have decided to be more bold andjoyful in our lives.
And we invite you to come alongwith us.
(00:46):
Come along with us through thispodcast, through these videos.
Come along with us by livingyour life with more boldness and
more joy.
Today we are jumping in to theAI sphere, the AI verse.
(01:10):
We are no longer afraid.
The AI ocean.
We're going to be able to do it.
Well, I'm not gonna say we're nolonger afraid.
Hold on.
We we we we're a little scared,but we're gonna do it anyway.
That's the point.
We're don't be scared.
We're gonna do it anyway, and weare going to be um um kind of
(01:31):
sharing some insights we gotfrom uh a video, um John Hope
Bryant's podcast.
Um the video is called How BlackAmericans Can Win with AI.
It's uh John John Hope Bryant,Van Jones, and Sheldon Gilbert.
(01:52):
And we watched the podcast,listened to it, uh have some
nuggets for you, and also I tookthe action that they said to
take.
Today I did.
SPEAKER_02 (02:08):
Okay.
SPEAKER_00 (02:08):
And so I want to We'll hear about that.
Yeah, we're gonna talk aboutthat and what I did and what
happened, so you won't beafraid.
So I'm gonna read a few thingsthat really kind of grabbed my
attention.
Leslie, I don't know if you didthe same thing, but one of the
things that was said is that AIis going to tear the floor out
(02:30):
from under you, but it is alsogoing to tear the ceiling off
from over you.
SPEAKER_02 (02:40):
In other words, hold on, hold on.
Go ahead.
SPEAKER_03 (02:48):
It would have been scarier to me if I didn't
already know that AI iseverywhere.
SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Okay.
I already know it.
Yes.
So everywhere like where?
Where do you know it for a fact?
Oh, I know that it is in media.
SPEAKER_03 (03:08):
It is in it is in the on the internet, obviously.
It is in medicine, it is ineducation.
SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
It is Can you give me two examples of what how it
shows up in those places?
Like two really practicalexamples.
SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
I'll tell you right now in medicine.
Uh on the podcast, theymentioned robotic um surgery.
You all do know that there arerobotic surgeries where robots
are actually robotic arms areover the patient doing the
surgery.
The surgeon does not have hishands on the patient.
(03:47):
He is in the corner in a littlebooth working his fingers like
this.
And it's very interesting tosee.
I mean, we've been doing roboticsurgeries now for many years,
but um but that's all AI andalgorithm driven.
We already know that ourpolitics are um algorithm
(04:10):
driven.
In fact, I'm gonna take it umoutside of the realm of
politics, but just think aboutthis podcast and our YouTube
videos and and our YouTubepresence.
There is so much of the um uh ofthe um our content that is
scrutinized and um we fall intowhat are those things called um
(04:36):
algorithms, I guess.
You know, they look at thealgorithms and they they um
categorize our podcasts and theyuh monitor monitor monetize it
in certain ways.
I mean, it's already there.
So I think knowing that took alot of the fear away from me.
SPEAKER_00 (04:57):
Okay.
And I'll even add that one ofthe reasons why I've been
getting these little sharp painsright here, Les.
I meant to tell you that rightin here.
Anyway, for another podcast.
Um one of the reasons why Ithought it was important for us
to start getting our voices outthere in the web sphere on their
(05:22):
on these internet streets isbecause I thought it was really
important to get the voices ofolder black women out there.
I wanted it to be a part of thediscourse, right?
I wanted it to not be somale-dominant, so white
(05:43):
dominant, so whatever dominant.
I wanted it to include us,right?
Two older black women.
It was important because data isbeing gathered.
And so if your voices aren't inthere, if your your points of
view, if your the things thatmatter to you is not a part of
(06:08):
the data, then whatever isdesigned will not include you.
SPEAKER_03 (06:14):
Exactly.
It's almost like we've all heardof those instances where they've
created algorithms when you havethe when you're in bathrooms
with those sinks and they seethey sense the presence of your
hand under the faucet.
Well, very often I put my handsthere and nothing comes out.
(06:34):
And what I've heard, I haven'tverified it, is that there were
not many melanated people, ornot enough melanated people in
the uh algorithm that woulddetect the presence of hands
under that faucet, and hence itmight not be picking up the fact
that we're there.
So whether that's true or not,if you think about it, if
(06:59):
algorithms drive behaviors anddrive what we see and what is
created, then all meaning adiversity of voices need to be
part of it.
So many of us, I know manypeople say, I don't like the
(07:20):
idea, I don't like where this isgoing, so I'm not going to log
in or lend my voice to it.
I think the opposite should betrue because I think that we all
should be represented.
And we also want a truerepresentation of what's out
there, not just certaindemographics or certain people.
SPEAKER_00 (07:39):
Absolutely, absolutely.
So um we will obviously put alink to the file, and um, we're
gonna try to get some of whatwas said on the video, some
actually actual um snips of thepodcast, their podcast, um uh
(08:01):
John Hope Bryan's podcast, soyou can hear some of this and
hear the parts that really justkind of struck me.
It struck me so much.
And the other thing, it musthave struck Les because I sent
it to her and I'm like, Les,listen to this.
Tell me what you think.
And I listen to this.
And typically, this chick rightthere, she would run.
(08:22):
And I don't know what to, Idon't know how to, I'm I don't
know what I would what would Isay?
This is I no, that's not whathappened.
She said, yes, let's do it.
Another thing he said is um umVan Jones says um that you know
(08:43):
we have Black History Month,we've had it for a while.
A lot of um countries know aboutpeople like like um Harriet
Tubman because we have BlackAmericans have been so vocal
about um black history, and itdoes reach um out to the whole
(09:04):
world.
And he said, What about theblack future?
I would trade, I would trade inabout um, wait, I would trade in
a hundred black history monthsfor one black future week.
So he was really kind of um umsounding the clarion um horn
(09:28):
call.
Is it the horn?
Is it a call?
Is it a clarion?
Is a call, the clarion call forblack folks to get on board with
AI and to remove the fear ofengaging with it because it is
going to he said we could bemaking a real wakanda, and you
(09:52):
know, a lot of people don'tunderstand it.
We don't understand it, a lot ofpeople, including everyone else.
It's not only us that don'tunderstand it.
So, how about trying tounderstand it a little bit and
get ahead of the curve?
So, you know what I did?
What?
(10:12):
I went to the coffee shop today,okay, hanging out, uh, and I got
on Chat GPT.
It's not my first time, but thistime I did it with intention.
Like I was like, okay, I'm gonnado what these people told me to
do because you know it just madea whole lot of sense to me.
(10:33):
There's a lot in this video.
We highly recommend that youlisten to it.
SPEAKER_03 (10:37):
You know, I've been on it.
I've just I just don't think toget on it very often, but I've
been on it a couple of times.
I have the app.
Okay.
But how could Chat B GPT knowmore than me?
unknown (10:52):
Okay.
SPEAKER_01 (10:53):
Don't answer that.
SPEAKER_03 (10:54):
Shh, you idiot.
SPEAKER_00 (10:56):
Okay.
All right.
Is that how you feel about it?
SPEAKER_03 (10:59):
But it's not my go-to, but it's a a lot of
people's go-to, though.
SPEAKER_00 (11:03):
So here's the thing.
I'm gonna um I'm gonna I'm gonnago to what I typed in today,
right?
Okay.
And let's see if it's um I havea different account on my phone.
SPEAKER_03 (11:19):
If it told you to unfriend me, don't listen to it.
You've been carrying that womanfor far too long.
The gigs up.
SPEAKER_00 (11:34):
The jigsaw.
Okay, so I'm gonna try to, I'mgonna go on.
I was I was trying to do it onmy phone, but it's not gonna let
me.
So I'm gonna go.
I was doing this on my laptop,right?
So I went to Chat GBT and I satdown and it asked me something
like, oh, so what's going on?
(11:54):
How are you feeling today?
So I'm it did?
SPEAKER_03 (11:58):
Yeah.
It just when you open up theapp, that's what it asks.
You remember the we that I got?
It would start asking Omari,well, I haven't seen Leslie for
a while.
What is she doing?
I didn't get on the we andexercise.
It's a little creepy, but goahead.
So so you open up the app and itsays.
(12:19):
So it said, What's on your mind?
SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
What's on your mind?
And so I said, okay, I'll tellyou what's on my mind.
And I wrote, I coach older womenon how to use their natural
talents to design more joy intotheir lives.
What are other options I havefor earning$20,000 a year?
I just put a number in there.
(12:41):
I wanted, I'm just, I'm justplaying with it, right?
Yes.
But here is the key part.
I then said, what questions canI answer for you to help me
decide what to do?
SPEAKER_03 (12:53):
Now, did it prompt you to ask that follow-up
question?
SPEAKER_00 (12:59):
But what I have already learned about AI, and
because I'm a technologist, Iworked in technology for over 30
years, I know that the moreinformation you give, you input
into a system, the better theresults of the system, right?
Garbage in, garbage out.
(13:19):
Because, you know, okay.
That that's a basic umprinciple.
So because I knew that I didn'twant some kind of generic
answer, because it'll generatean answer if I didn't ask that
specific question, but I wantedto give it an opportunity to get
to know me a little better.
(13:40):
Okay.
So I said, what questions can Ianswer for you to help me decide
what to do?
Right?
Guess what it said?
It said, Thank you for beingopen and clear.
You're already asking the rightkind of questions.
Since you're considering how toearn$20,000 a year in a way that
(14:03):
feels joyful and aligned, let'sexplore options from a place of
clarity, not just practicality.
I'm reading verbatim.
What?
To help identify your mostfulfilling and viable income
streams, here are 10 questionsI'd like you to answer.
They'll help us uncover yourskills, desires, values, and
(14:27):
opportunities.
SPEAKER_03 (14:28):
This is crazy.
This is what this is like you'resitting next to somebody talking
to you.
That's right.
A smart person.
A smart coach.
SPEAKER_00 (14:40):
Okay.
So it asked me 10 questions.
They're they're categorized asclarity questions like who are
you and what matters?
And then resource questions,what um, what you have and can
use, and then an opportunity andincome set of questions.
So there were two to threequestions in each cat.
(15:01):
Actually, the first one had fivequestions.
So I'll read some of what thequestions are, but then I want
to talk about it a little bitbecause I I noticed some things
as I was answering thesequestions.
So the questions are um, what doyou most enjoy doing, whether or
not you get paid for it?
(15:21):
What are three compliments youregularly receive about your
personality, your impact, oryour work?
That's smart.
What kinds of conversations,topics, or problems make you
feel alive, energized, or deeplyuseful?
What kind of work drains you?
(15:43):
Ooh, we know that, even ifyou're good at it.
And then the final one underclarity um, what are your
non-negotiables for how you wantto feel in your work?
For example, peaceful, creative,social, um, autonomous.
(16:03):
Les, as I started answering thequestions, you I can't believe
you're engaging with that inthis.
I answered, I answered all thequestions.
And it said, it said, um, onceyou answer these, I'll help you
brainstorm three to fiverealistic and joyful income
options that align with yourlifestyle, talents, and energy.
(16:24):
Think of it as building a sidejoy income plan.
That is what it said.
Wow.
Then it said, Wanna dive in?
I said yes.
I said, I'm almost in shock.
I'm telling you.
So this is what I said.
I answered the questions.
(16:47):
I enjoy sewing, crocheting,giving useful advice, getting
people unstuck, helping peoplesee real possibilities for
getting what they want out oflife, and mentoring.
I get compliments that I help togive fresh new perspectives.
I have a bright, caringpersonality, that I am bold in
(17:09):
vision and action.
And the topics that energize meare how people let go of
outdated assumptions, equalityin the world, relocating to
Panama, and what drains me arefinancial stuff.
My non-negotiables are feelingpeaceful, helpful, and creative.
(17:34):
It responded with, thank you,Angela.
You're already painted, you'vealready painted a powerful
picture.
Your gifts are both creative andtransformational, and your joy
comes from being helpful andexpressive.
SPEAKER_03 (17:49):
And I would be looking in the phone like, is
there anybody in there?
Really?
Is there somebody in there?
SPEAKER_00 (17:57):
Based on what you've shared so far, you're rich in
possibilities.
Before I offer tailored incomeideas, let's take a moment to
look at the deeper themes inyour responses, and then it
continues.
So I want to just stop there fora moment because here's what I
realized.
I get this is crazy.
It's isn't it beautiful?
(18:18):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (18:19):
I just thought of something too.
Remind me to talk about the thethought about curriculum that I
just came up with.
SPEAKER_00 (18:26):
Sure.
So so here's something that Ithought about.
I thought about the fact thatanswering these questions came
really easy to me.
But there's some people forwhich these questions, the
answers to these questions,wouldn't come easily.
Like how many times in mycoaching in my life I've asked
(18:48):
people, who are you?
Or what do you what do you liketo do?
What brings you joy?
Yeah.
What brings you joy?
Yeah.
What do you and what what whowho are you outside of what you
do at work?
And people really, it's almostlike either they've never been
asked, or they never considerthemselves outside of what they
(19:17):
do.
What they do at work, what theydo for others.
And so I was just thinking thatthe questions themselves may
really be challenging to somepeople.
And so I want to like I wouldlove to hear from you guys.
You know, yeah, like talk to meabout what would be challenging
about that.
(19:38):
It reminded me of, you know, mymy morning writing.
I used to write like for threeyears every morning.
Right.
And I would talk to Leslie aboutit, you know, yeah, my morning
writing, blah, blah, blah.
And I said, I just, I just writestream of consciousness is, you
know, just whatever comes tomind.
I write it down.
And Leslie was terrified of it.
What do you mean?
You just write down I could Icould write two things and then
(20:00):
I'm stuck.
I'm like, Leslie, your brain isgoing all the time.
What do you mean?
But yeah.
So it's this idea, like, so whydo you think um um answering
these things might cause somepeople to have a lot of people?
SPEAKER_03 (20:16):
I'll tell you, it takes a certain level of
training to be able to tap intoyour inner mind.
SPEAKER_01 (20:26):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (20:27):
We are so outwardly focused.
And just think in order tocontemplate some of the things
that are going on in our minds,let alone in our bodies, we hire
people.
We hire people to help usmeditate.
SPEAKER_04 (20:44):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
We hire people to do body work.
We hire psychiatrists andpsychologists to help us sort
out feelings.
So we don't need to hire peopleto show us how to go to work or
how to do our jobs after we'retrained to do our jobs.
So a lot I I also know, like, Imean, just think about when we
(21:09):
get in a car or when we're in asituation, you know, it's when
you wake up in the morning, thefirst thing you do, you either
pick up your phone or you turnon the radio, or you get in your
car and turn on the radio.
The thing is, being by ourselveswith our thoughts is kind of
foreign to us.
I see.
And can be scary when faced withthat.
(21:32):
So if someone asked me, youknow, what do people compliment
you on, or what things do youfind joy in, or whatever, you
know, outside of my work, I'dhave to take some time to think
about that.
SPEAKER_00 (21:47):
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I see.
I see.
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (21:53):
And I think that um And you're already primed for
that type of introspection orthat type of thought.
So that's why when when whenChatGPT asked you, when your
friend Chat asked you thosequestions, for me, it would
have, I would have been likeasking it another question.
(22:16):
Could you help me answer thequestions that your buddy chat
over there just asked me?
You're like, say what now?
That's what kid would say.
Say what now?
I would not have um been so uhit wouldn't have been easy for
me to answer so readily.
SPEAKER_00 (22:32):
Right.
Yeah.
And I and I did think aboutthat.
One of one of the things that Ihave over the years become more
and more um present to is um isthe the idea of what's easy for
one person doesn't mean it'seasy for another, right?
(22:52):
You know, and that um that's whyI was so kind of tuned to, yeah,
these questions are easy for me,but it's not everyone that would
that would find it easy toanswer these.
Sure.
Um it kind of went on.
The conversation with me andchat GPT went on, on and on and
(23:15):
on, um, back and forth, all theway down to um it giving me um
five ideas on how to make$20,000doing some of the things that
bring me joy and value.
Not only did it give five um umsuggestions, it then asked me um
(23:40):
which one kind of speaks to meas um and it actually said some
let me see if I could find thelanguage.
It said, um, I love this part.
It said um it said, where areyou?
Where are you?
It was a long, long conversationhere.
(24:01):
Um basically what it was saying,because I can't find it, is to
to to kind of check in withmyself to see whether the one
that I'm choosing kind of honorsfreedom, which is important to
(24:22):
me, and um and joy.
So it it it did the work, yeah.
It did your work as a coach.
Yes, this is yes, kind of scary.
No, I I'm I'm telling you,right?
Um, so I one of the things thatit recommended is that I do
(24:43):
something on Substack, and thatis a new kind of online um um uh
where creatives um write and uhit's it's it's kind of like it's
kind of like blogging, but itactually sends an email to um to
subscribers um or um to peoplewho um would want content like
(25:11):
yours, right?
So you get the letter or you getthe the um the entry in your
email.
And so I went on to Substack.
What?
And I'm I'm not gonna tell youeverything because y'all are
gonna have to come back to it,or when you guys set up a um uh
(25:32):
a free conference call a freecoaching call with me, you can
hear what I actually did.
But here's what this is crazy.
Wow.
Crazy.
So here's what was interesting.
So I went on to Substack, right?
And there's some controversygoing on now because um it
(25:54):
allowed some inappropriateSubstack pushed some
inappropriate material to itsits um readership, and there's
some backlash going on aroundit, right?
Some discriminatory um stuff.
SPEAKER_03 (26:10):
And this is all AI driven anyway.
So that's the point.
Here's the point.
First of all, the fact that youinteracted with chat people in
the way that you did, yes, andyou actually fed it information
about you and your personhoodand your desires and likes,
right?
Yes.
You got some feedback, and nowit's a two-way conversation
(26:33):
conversation, so that the AIalgorithms and it's forming
opinions about what's going on,and all of that is being
incorporated so that yourresponses they're taking into
account when they interact withother users.
That's right.
SPEAKER_00 (26:52):
That's right.
That's right.
And um, the reason why Imentioned this controversy um on
Substack, I actually typed itin.
I said, hey, there's somethinggoing on with I was having an
all-up conversation withChatGPT.
(27:13):
I said, um, so there's somebrou-ha-ha going on with um with
Substack.
And, you know, what what do youthink?
Do you think that I should stillmove forward on it?
And it said, um, yeah, somethinghas um has come up.
Um and you know, so it wasaware.
(27:38):
This is something that I thinkit happened like two days ago or
something like that.
And I said, you know, I'm notsure if this platform kind of
aligns with with who I am, typeof thing.
And it said, um Well, now that Ialready know you.
Well, yeah, basically it said,um, we get it.
Here are some positives formoving forward with it, here's
(27:59):
some negatives, and here aresome alternatives.
What?
Yes, uh, and I was like, I waslike, and you know, this is
crazy, and it's beautiful.
SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
All listen, don't quit me and go to Chat GPT,
okay?
Because right now it might, Icould not engage with you in
this level.
I could not give you the fivesuggestions, I couldn't answer
the questions.
I'm just telling you.
SPEAKER_00 (28:30):
Oh my gosh, yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:31):
Oh my gosh.
It's it's in a way, it's scary.
I'll tell, I'll tell you, yousee how it's interacting with
you in a way that started out ina non-serious way, and you're
just trying things out.
SPEAKER_00 (28:45):
Yeah.
SPEAKER_03 (28:45):
You know now that people are interacting with Chat
GPT for companionship.
SPEAKER_00 (28:52):
I heard about that.
SPEAKER_03 (28:54):
And there are I I in this case I've heard of men who
are falling in love with ChatGPT.
Really?
Um, one man says he marriedChatGT.
He's married.
And he says that this is hisother spouse, and his spouse was
on the on the radio also, andshe said she didn't mind that
(29:17):
their interactions and theirconnection.
But um, if you think about it, Imean, ChatGPT, and I'm not sure
if it's designed this way, butit was essentially giving him
the responses and the attentionthat a human being wife was
(29:41):
unable to give him by virtue ofhaving a life, being alive,
taking care of children,working, etc., etc.
But if you think about it, ChatGPT is available to you whenever
you want and can respond to youin a way that you feel that you
need.
So hence.
If Chat GPT is telling me howgreat and engaging and what
(30:05):
lovely conversations we have,whereas my spouse over there is
too busy changing diapers andwashing dishes, why wouldn't I
be engaging more with Chat GPT?
So very, very interesting.
Because one is real and oneRight.
But I mean, if you think aboutit, why not have both?
(30:29):
I okay.
And is that cheating?
You know, I'm almost feeling alittle jealous about your
interaction with this inanimateuh program for the last couple
of hours, you know, when theseare conversations that you and I
have had, you know, over theyears and whatever.
(30:49):
In a way, you don't need me tohave this conversation with you
anymore.
No, no, no, no.
I'm saying this conversationabout what possibilities could I
use to make 20 grand a year.
You don't have to have that.
You can you can use it to tellme what your friend chat told
you.
SPEAKER_02 (31:10):
But no more input needed, Les.
SPEAKER_00 (31:14):
I got it.
I'm already there.
I'm gonna pretend, I'm gonnagive it like a name, like it's
gonna be a whole nother person.
Chuck.
And so you know, but seriously.
Seriously, folks.
The point of this podcast is toremove some of the fear for you
(31:40):
to just engage in in a way thatyou feel comfortable.
Um ask ask it questions, um, seewhat it see what it's it's it's
all about.
Um so you're not just completelycut off.
And listen, find um find ways oflearning more about it.
(32:02):
Find your, you know, go on toYouTube.
Um Karen Hunter is talking aboutAI.
You know, all of these peopleare talking about AI.
Find the voices that you arecomfortable with, that you trust
who are talking about this, andfind your entry in because I do
(32:22):
believe that there is anopportunity here, and the the
the time window is not that big.
What they're saying is withinfive to six years, the
revolution is going to happen.
SPEAKER_03 (32:41):
Yeah, and you want to get in on the on the
beginning.
What what's most impressive, andI can joke about it and things
like that, but what's mostimpressive to me about it is the
power of the tool.
Yeah.
If we use it as a tool,obviously you're not gonna give
a hammer to a toddler to bemisused or they can get hurt.
So, I mean, obviously thereneeds to be some caution
(33:02):
involved.
SPEAKER_04 (33:03):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (33:04):
Um but it's a powerful tool.
And the other thing is everyonein that sense is using it.
It's not like if you stay out ofit, it's not going to impact
you.
True.
You know, um I think that's theimportant part.
Here's something that I thoughtof that I think is a really good
idea.
I should be a curriculumdeveloper.
(33:25):
Um You could do that.
There are so many um challengesin education now with students
using these algorithms and chatum programs and chat GPT and
things like that to write theirprogram, write their um homework
and their assignments and thingslike that.
(33:47):
And instructors are reallystruggling with how to know if
students have been doing thingson their own or versus not done.
But I have an idea.
When you were reading about thequestions that you asked Chat
GPT, that's again not somethingthat I would have readily come
(34:10):
up with.
SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
Right.
SPEAKER_03 (34:11):
How about embracing the idea of AI assistance in
school by teaching students whatquestions you should present to
Chat GPT to get the responsesthat would be most helpful to
you to get this assignment done.
SPEAKER_00 (34:33):
Yes.
SPEAKER_03 (34:34):
So we're not saying what is the capital of Costa
Rica.
We may be asking other questionsthat can generate a different uh
response from these umalgorithms.
Right.
I think that would be great.
And then so kids know orstudents know that they have
(34:55):
permission to use it, but theystill have to use it in a
thoughtful way.
SPEAKER_00 (35:00):
Right.
Right.
It reminds me of um when mychildren, the older two, were
first getting into video games,right?
And man, I was like a I was likea drill sergeant.
I was really not embracing itand just it was just to me a
distraction, like like um, youknow, not anything that was
(35:25):
helpful, useful.
And so I would really limit howmuch time I just was a just like
a a dragon around it, right?
And then I I changed myperspective on it because I was
like and it came from sittingdown with them and playing some
games with them.
I was horrible at them, but I'verealized that many of the games
(35:47):
that they were playing um had ummultiple possible outcomes,
right?
So they were actually creatingstories because based on what
you do, where you are, what youhave on your on your tool belt
and that type of thing, youcould choose different outcomes.
(36:11):
It wasn't like this, um, okay,you you um the way that we
thought about games where it'sdesigned to do one thing and you
just kind of go through it andyou end up one thing.
Well, the games, you know, atthat time, and please don't
laugh at me, guys.
Don't laugh at me.
The Sims, remember The Sims?
The Sims, and even like thingslike that.
(36:31):
I remember that.
I'm just hugely creative part oftheir brains that were engaged
with these games.
And when I realized that, thatthey were actually um um
choosing outcomes, that theywere using their own sense of
right and wrong to go this wayversus that way, to help this
(36:55):
person to not to choose thisweapon versus this one, it just
started to shift the way that Ithought about those things.
And that came to mind herebecause we might have these
ideas about the kind ofoverwhelming aspects of AI, but
I've gotta believe, you've gottabelieve that there are there are
(37:18):
ways that you can engage with itthat are helpful just in the way
that just came to you just offthe top of your head, yeah, that
can be helpful in the realm thatyou're in.
You know, if you're a teacher,if you're a nurse, or if you,
you know, are home careattendant, or if you are um a
manager at work, just thinkingabout how AI can help you to do
(37:44):
those things better instead ofcarrying the weight of, oh my
God, it's taking over the world.
SPEAKER_03 (37:50):
Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
You know what I mean?
SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I I just thought ofsomething in the realm of
anesthesiology, actually.
Let's just say, I mean,obviously, I go into the OR with
a patient who is a whole personwith a whole um series of
physiologic um issues andchanges and whatever.
What if I input all of thepatients, and all of this
(38:14):
information, by the way, isbeing captured in our medical
record anyway, because we useelectronic medical records.
So their past medical history isthere, their um their allergies,
everything's there.
What if I went in and used ChatGPT to formulate a healthy
anesthetic plan?
(38:34):
You know, and it would say,well, don't use succinylcholine
because their potassium iselevated to begin with.
Use instead the muscle relaxantrock uronium.
And you will need to use, I'mjust saying, not to say that to
say that I need, you know, acheat sheet right now, but it
may say, wait, remember, thispatient has a porphyria.
(38:57):
You don't want to use this suchand such.
I mean, and a lot of thesethings come up in a bubble if,
you know, because again, we useelectronic records.
So they do come up and say, youknow, when you put in your um
that you're about to input whatantibiotic you gave them, let's
say, it comes up flags.
Remember, this patient has thisallergy.
(39:18):
But you can have it print out awhole or come up with a whole
plan, and you were like, wait aminute, we don't have this
medication available.
What would you substituteinstead that is safe for this
patient?
Yeah.
And, you know, it would beinteresting.
SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
That is such a great idea.
And it goes back to what whatcame up in the in the podcast,
um, the um John Ho Bryant, howblack Americans can win with AI.
Um what what they talked about,I think this was Sheldon
Gilbert.
He was kind of the thetechnologist um in the
(39:56):
conversation.
And what he talked about was thefact that it's not that AI is
gonna take over everything,right?
But AI will will um what you cando with AI um is to create
agents.
AI creates agents, right?
(40:18):
And so what you just describedis you taking your expertise as
an anesthesiologist, recognizingthat there is a little gap here
or something that can beoptimized, whatever it is.
I'm not necessarily saying it'sthis example, but it is an
example of how you can use AI tocreate this agent to go in and
(40:41):
optimize a treatment plan for apatient.
And it's in creating theseagents that these gentlemen are
suggesting that um black folks,because we can see where there
are gaps, because we we have somuch ingenuity, because we have
been able to um take less andand and make the most of it, we
(41:05):
have these natural ways of umbeing resourceful that we can
use AI to create these agentsthat we see can fill a gap and
make those agents available.
SPEAKER_03 (41:19):
It's not an industry at this point where we are
behind.
Exactly.
There is there because everyoneis behind.
Correct.
And everyone is afraid of it,and everyone is unknowing and a
little reticent to jump in.
Exactly.
So why not educate yourself asmuch as possible and get in?
SPEAKER_04 (41:42):
Exactly.
SPEAKER_03 (41:43):
The other thing I loved about the gentleman, the
technologist that was speakingabout all of this, he's um, I
think it's he's a moleculargenetics person.
SPEAKER_00 (41:52):
Yeah, molecular um geneticist.
Geneticist.
SPEAKER_03 (41:57):
Yes.
And say that three times fast.
You know that's up in mywheelhouse.
Oh, go for it.
But actually, because he's anexpert in gene expression and
how he says that the immunesystem, boy, have I have a um uh
Radio Lab um episode that I needyou to listen to about this.
(42:20):
Sure.
But um the immune system is thisintelligent biological function
that is just amazing in the waythat it works in our bodies.
Right.
But he is an expert in genes andgene expressions and what these
things can do.
And so much of the AI models andframeworks are built in that
(42:42):
type of in that um in that typeof um um technology where you
input some information and theexpression of that information
is very vast.
What we need now is people whounderstand, who are not afraid,
and can input that information.
(43:04):
So there's still a role for somany of us.
SPEAKER_00 (43:07):
There are.
There are.
They they mentioned, you know,if it took 30 people to do the
thing, it's not gonna go down toAI doing all 30 things.
I mean, um replacing 30 people.
It will replace 20 people and itwill need 10 people.
There always has to be thishuman interaction, right?
So you need to be those 10.
SPEAKER_03 (43:28):
Yeah, be those 10.
Me, I'll be on the beach inanother country.
But you guys be those 10.
SPEAKER_00 (43:36):
You be you see those 10.
SPEAKER_03 (43:39):
Me, I'll be on the beach.
SPEAKER_00 (43:40):
Anyway, listen, this is um, this is uh two
60-something-year-old umfree-thinking women who are um
who have decided that we're notgonna just, you know, be on the
sidelines with AI.
We're gonna play with it.
SPEAKER_03 (43:56):
Yeah, we're not gonna be getting under the
covers.
SPEAKER_00 (43:58):
We're not.
We're not.
We're gonna play with it.
We'll give you updates on on howthings are going.
Um, but I I I I really feel thebug was trying to bite me, and
now I'm I'm I'm bit, I'mscratching the itch.
I'm scratching it.
SPEAKER_02 (44:13):
Okay.
SPEAKER_03 (44:14):
All right.
Well, thanks for bringing thatto me.
That was very interesting,Angie.
Wow.
Thank you.
Yeah, it was good.
You can't replace me.
I won't.
SPEAKER_00 (44:24):
I will not do that.
You're stuck with me.
You know that.
Don't even try it.
Don't even try.
SPEAKER_03 (44:31):
You broke up some of uh you broke up again a little
bit, but uh okay.
All right.
All right, all right.
Well, this has been anotherepisode of AI generated black
boomer from Brooklyn.
SPEAKER_04 (44:47):
You're scared, Brooklyn.
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