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May 20, 2025 43 mins

Did you know that the Besties have another Bestie?  It’s actor, comedian, author and coach Kim Coles. As the dear friend she is, she came onto Black Boomer Besties from Brooklyn podcast when we were wee podcasters. So in celebration of her new  podcast with her Living Single costar Erika Alexander, we thought we would replay our conversation with her when she closed out our first season.

Then enjoy Kim's new podacst:

Judging by the Pilot | S1 E1 | ReLiving Single Podcasthttps://youtu.be/QLJYkF3b7QY?si=S4utV8iYcmkvN9rc

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey Ange, hey Les, How's, it?

Speaker 2 (00:04):
going.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
Happy Mother's Day.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Thank you.
Thank you, Happy Mother's Dayto you.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Happy.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Mother's Day to you, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Let me tell you what's funny about Mother's Day.
I was talking to either my auntor my grandmother today, right,
and they were asking you know,what are you doing?
What did you do today?
And I'm like you know, whenyou're young, you want to make
every party.
You want to really be in thereand whatever, and I'm like I am
having a glorious day doingnothing.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I mean it's like what a privilege so good To have my
feet up.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I even watch TV and you know I'm not a TV watcher, I
know, but I was watching like acouple of Great day.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So good, kai calls me this morning.
Mom, are you out and about likegallivanting out there today?
I'm like hell, no Hell no, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
What do you want for Mother's Day?
Peace.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
I said listen to what I'm doing.
I'm eating my rum, raisin andgrape nut ice cream that I got
yesterday and just savoringevery moment of it.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
It's just simple things.
I had chocolate chip today.
It's just simple things.
And eight leftovers.
It was glorious, I got to tellyou, I gotta tell you, I gotta
tell you.
So, welcome to another episodeof Black Boomer.
Besties from Brooklyn.

Speaker 2 (01:35):
I'm Angela and that's Leslie, my best friend of
almost 50 years.
We are two free-thinking60-something-year-old Black
women who have decided to bemore bold and joyful about life,
and we invite you to come alongwith us.
Today we're going to be talkingabout extraordinary female

(01:56):
friendships.
And outside of this friendcouple here, we have other
really close friends, one ofwhich is the amazing comedian,
Kim Coles, and we wanted to talkabout Kim and Erica Alexander's
new podcast today and introduceyou to that and also to share

(02:22):
with you an episode that we didwith Kim many seasons ago.
So you get to see how weinteract.
What an extraordinary femalefriendship looks like.
This new podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
I listen to it.
It's called Reliving Single.
Reliving Single because, as you, know Living Single because as
you know, Erica Alexander andKim Coles were two of the leads
on the show from the 90s LivingSingle.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Living Single.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
I tell you, one of the things that was just so
wonderful listening to thepodcast is that we were clearly
like she was part of our livesthen, on screen and personally.
So just hearing the backstoryabout what she was going through
and then we have our ownhistory of her at the time, it

(03:16):
just brings back such greatmemories.
And I can't believe the showaired almost 30 years ago.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
It was actually 32 years ago, because on their 30th
anniversary, the strike wasgoing on.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
So they really couldn't talk about anything
having to do with the show.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
So it's been 32 years and what this podcast is about
is they're?
Actually talking about thebackstory, but they are going
through every episode andtalking about the backstory.
It's like you'll never watch itthe same again.
Yes, so the first episode wasum.
The first podcast episode wason march I'm sorry, may 7th, so
it's still um pretty new.
We encourage you guys to watchit.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Enjoy it's mesmerizing even though we know
kim.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
We've known her forever.
It is mesmerizing like, likewhat, what that was going on?
What, who?

Speaker 1 (04:25):
did what?
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Really, it's one of those.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Now here's some of the things that I was thinking,
because, again, we've known Kimalmost 50 years, like we've
known each other.
You know, we all went toBrooklyn Tech together and
that's when we met in 1977.
We met in 1977.
So I'm thinking, like the Kimthat I know for all these years,

(04:51):
and she's talking and she'slike a badass.
She's going up to Les Moonves,you know, the head of the.
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Miramax, but the head of the network.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Whatever the company was, yes, and negotiating with
him.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
and asking for what he wants, and I'm like what Kim
was, a boss Back like that.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
You know it's like.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Back like that, back like that, wow.
And let me make a slightcorrection, because I spoke to
Kim today actually, and so I metKim in 1976.
That's when we started highschool, before I met leslie, and
actually kim was my first highschool best friend.
But guess what happened?

Speaker 1 (05:35):
what I know.
After the first year I sidledup and said wait a minute
because I moved into, into.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
I moved really close to where Kim lives.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
And so we would yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
So my mom would drive us to school or we'd take a bus
together, whatever.
But, kim, you were cheating onme.
I was cheating, but it was.
Is it cheating if it's beforewe met?
I don't think it's cheating.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Theoretically.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
Yes, I don't think it's.
I don't think it's cheatingTheoretically yes, I don't think
it's cheating.
But Kim went into politics, shebecame the class president like
all four years, all four years.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
So she went into that .

Speaker 2 (06:23):
She became like a twirler, so she was hanging out
with the football team I wasbeing a geek.
Leslie was a geek.
So, sophomore year we just got.
I mean, we never stopped beingfriends, of course, but Leslie
and I just had more things incommon.
And guess what?
She knew how to sew and I couldsew.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Exactly, she could sew, so I knuckled in.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
So anyway, yeah, so we really want you to watch and
also listen to our episode.
It was when we were wee youngpodcasters, we were I don't know
.
I listened to it.
I'm like, oh my gosh, I can'tbelieve we kept going.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
It's so funny because when I listened back to our
season one and season two, itwas like we were so green?
First of all, why would we evenask Kim Coles to be in our
podcast?
We didn't know what the heck wewere doing back then she was so
gracious and we were happy,obviously, to have her.

(07:30):
We did our best.
But remember how many times wewould have to do a take and like
all right, let's start all overagain.
We've improved.
We've improved.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, we've gotten a little better.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
And the other thing that I'd like to say.
In fact I left a message onKim's answer machine yesterday,
but I meant to say to her we didthis podcast thing first.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yes, we sure did.
We went there first.
We sure did.
Now, you know how competitive Iam?
Yes, she's a biter.
You know how competitive I am?

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yes, she's a biter.
So I'm like Kim.
You may have hundreds ofthousands of listeners already
in a week, but we did it first.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
We did it first and, for those of you who are
interested, if you go to whereis it?
I wrote it down somewherebecause I'm really petty,
because I'm really petty,because I'm really petty,
because I'm really petty, sheactually mentions our high
school, brooklyn Technical HighSchool, on the first episode of
the podcast.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Yes, Of her podcast, season one, episode one, and it
was kind of maybe at 11, 1130.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
That's where she mentions it.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I thought she was going to mention me.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oh I, where she mentions it.
I thought she was going tomention me.
She actually said, when shetalks about her, her friendships
, her extraordinary friendships,we're.
We're in the mix, so we're inthere.
We're in there, we're in.
And she promised to be back onour podcast to support us,
because that's just, that's justwho she is.
It's always been this way, andyeah, so listen and let us know

(09:08):
what you think.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah.
So I just want to make a couplemore comments about some of the
thoughts that I had while I waslistening to the podcast,
because she speaks about theepisodes as they were being
taped and the mindset and whatwas going on on the set and with
the actors and all and me.
I was on the periphery.

(09:30):
You know I would visit Kim inLA while she was still shooting.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
And.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I remember she gave me a hat and I still have the
jacket and I used to drivearound in her convertible
Mercedes and I used to drivearound in her convertible.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Mercedes.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Now in 93, I didn't have two nickels to put together
whatever.
No, omari was five years old atthe time.
I was struggling financiallyand this and that, and I would
go to LA and live like I'm acelebrity around in Beverly

(10:06):
Hills with in a convertibleMercedes and it was like I just,
I just remember, you know,being part of her life like that
, and I'm thinking and beingjust so proud of her yeah,
always.
You know this person that I hadknown at this point what 20
years at that point, you knowalmost.

(10:26):
And it was just yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's how you live abundantly, whether there is
money involved or not.
That's what that is.
Yeah, well, yeah, through yourfriendships and all that's it.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
That's what met TC obviously.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
I've met Erica Alexander, yeah, so I've, you
know, known some of these folks.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
So I see them on TV and in reruns and all of that,
and I'm like wow.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
This is really cool.
It's really cool, all right.
So, guys, what you're going tobe hearing next is our episode
with our another bestie, kimColes.
Hey, les.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Hey Ange, how are you ?
Oh, I'm pretty good, but allright.
My energy sounds a little lowerthan it actually is because I'm
really trying to contain myself.
I am so excited why are you soexcited?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
I'm not going to let you suffer, not a moment longer.
So let's both introduce hey.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Kim introduce hey cam , hey, hey, I am delighted and
honored and overjoyed to be here.
I am so proud of the two of you.
It is a delight to have yourvoices in my head, other than

(12:03):
the other voices in my head, ona regular basis, and you all are
delicious together and I knowthat people are loving it.
I know the numbers are growingand I'm just so excited for what
you created.
It's really delicious andbeautiful and a beautiful
testament and testimony to yourfriendship and love.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Thank you so much.
I have two quick things to say.
One of them is when Leslie andI have talked about our high
school, brooklyn Technical HighSchool, right, and I think we
mentioned Brooklyn.
Oh, we didn't even introduce.
Hey guys, welcome to the finalepisode of our first season of

(12:47):
Black.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Boomer Besties from Brooklyn.
That's because we're so excited.
That's why.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
We're so excited Because we have our first guest.
Here's the thing that I want tosay about the high school that
we went to.
To this day, our inner circleof friends are friends from
Brooklyn Tech period.
So the fact that we've gotmultiple besties is just a part

(13:19):
of being from the tech, inparticular, that the class of
1980.
Right, because it, just becauseit just is, because it just is.
So that's one thing I wanted tosay.
The other thing I want to sayis that Kim Coles has been
entertaining us since we were 14years old without fail since

(13:41):
1976, without fail.
If she had not given us hushmoney, we would be able to tell
you so many things, so manyjuicy bits that you know we've
been paid handsomely not to tell.
So we're not going to take itany further, but you know, if

(14:03):
you pay more, we may, we maytalk.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
We may talk.
Actually, I'm going to renegeon that.
So send your money to LeslieOse Tutu at DM me.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
I say DM me, keep the hush money you received and go
ahead and tell the stories.
I want to remember what you didand didn't do.
Good times, oh my gosh.
Good times Always.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Always good times and you might not know, but Kim,
for all four years that we werethere.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
right, kim was student body president, I was
class president, class president, yeah, you know, as I always
say, it wasn't because I had anypolicies or programs or
politics.
I was just like, hey, vote forme and I'll make you laugh.
And because everyone there wasso smart, and so you know, like

(15:00):
you know, some had pocket, likelike this is the pocket
protecting bunch.
Yeah, super, super smart andsuper super.
You know, so many were, youknow, serious and intense, and
you know, and so I.
It was easy, all I had to dowas like I'm just gonna make you
laugh.
They're like okay, and then wevote, and uh, so I didn't do

(15:21):
anything other than make peoplelaugh.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, that's a whole lot.
That's a whole lot right,because that's like the light
and laughter that you continueto bring to the world.
It's been beautiful to watchyou and we still get choked up
when we see you perform.
It's still like, you know, likethey do.
Oh my gosh, that's our girlright there and you know I'm
like, oh, oh, she makes it lookso easy.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
We need you more now than ever you know, we really do
, we need laughter.

Speaker 3 (15:50):
We need your energy, we need your love and I just
I've I felt it for more than 45years, so you know thank you for
and and I want to say toeveryone who's listening, I'm,
I'm a stand and I'm I'm anevangelist for joy and for

(16:10):
tapping into joy, finding joy,finding the joy in every
situation that you can, findingthe lightness and finding the
God of your understanding isalways there and that's where
the joy and the bliss and thelove is.
And again, like you said, weneed it now more than ever.
There's so much that's going onout there.

(16:30):
It's our job, ourresponsibility, to handle
keeping as much joy as possibleavailable in our world and in
the worlds that we impact.
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Absolutely true.
So there is a special reason wewere going to have Kim on
anyway.
Because you know why not?
I mean, she's one of ourbesties but also because, as we
bring our season one to a close,this is the last episode of our
season one.
I think Leslie and I said itlast episode that we really

(17:07):
intentionally made season one beabout getting to know who
Leslie and I are right.
So we got pretty personal aboutwho we are and you've heard us
talk a lot about the right brain, left brain thing and you know,
just kind of poking fun at eachother.
And we wanted to bring Kim onas the last episode of the

(17:30):
season because she's got thisfascinating, good choice of word
, huh.
She's got this fascinatingprogram that evaluates one's.
I don't know if is it apersonality, what is it that is
evaluated?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
Well, I became what we call a fascination certified
advisor.
I'm certified in the system offascination.
It was discovered by a womannamed Sally Hogshead and it's
actually based on science, andso it's the first personality
tests that tests how the worldsees you rather than how the

(18:10):
world, and the whole premisebehind it is that when you
discover how you communicate atyour best, you can then go ahead
and be the most authenticversion of you, and for those of
us who are in business or workwith teams, it's really about

(18:31):
celebrating your uniqueness andcelebrating that different is
better than better, and wait,excuse me, pause on that.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Please say that again .
Say that again.

Speaker 3 (18:43):
So we live in a world that's that's commodity, what's
the commodity?
Commoditization is too many,too many syllables.
But in a world that'scompetitive and we're all trying
to be seen and heard and standout in the way that we want to
stand out, that different isbetter than better.

(19:03):
So isn't that great?
So, rather than trying to bebetter than someone, because who
decides what better is?
But different, being your unique, you know, I like to say
perfectly imperfect self, is allthat is needed for such a time.
And so what if we're taught now, what if we are empowered now,

(19:27):
I should say, to dial up whatmakes us us?
Then you, you remove thenecessary, you know, permission
to.
I'm not saying you can't stillimprove and work on things and
and and strive for somethingmore, but to just be more of
yourself.
It could be said that justbeing more of yourself might be

(19:53):
just enough, might be all youneed to do in order to stand out
, to make a difference, to showyour value and to celebrate your
mission and message for theworld.
That's, that's the fascination.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Yeah, I'll tell you why that's so deep.
Because what's coming up for meis in my years and years of
conversations with Ange and herwork with diversity and
inclusion and the beauty andvalue of having non-homogeneous

(20:26):
groupings of people inworkplaces and in settings and
things like that, les, do youactually?
listening.
I actually listen once in awhile, baby.
Once in a while it comesthrough.
But so listen how you've toldme that diversity of thought, of
character, and everybody bringstheir it to the table and it's

(20:52):
just incredible that more peoplein the C-suites and managers
don't really get that, yeah,yeah, that's so true, that's so
true.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
This system was created by Sally Hogshead, as I
mentioned, and it's also aboutpersonal branding as well and
the work was created so thatpeople and teams could work
together best and teams couldwork together best.

(21:24):
So imagine you have a huge, youknow company or huge team of
people working and you know.
Now, with this fascination work, you get a chance to find out
how each one of these peopleuniquely fascinates others, how
they uniquely communicate, andthen you can empower them to do
their best work.
So if you've got somebody inaccounting and they are a

(21:45):
comedian or they're passionateand they're the life of the
party and they have great ideas,but yet you're relegating them
to be with their abacus,counting the numbers and they're
good at it, yes, but alsoempower them and also unlock
their greatness in other ways sothat you can work better as a

(22:07):
team.
So, you know, part of this workis how do you already fascinate
the world, how are you alreadyyou know, how is your
personality already addingdistinct value?

Speaker 2 (22:21):
and then celebrating that and calling that to the
table, going great where we canbe even better together, kind of
delve into is how Leslie andI's reports what they look like
and how much of it is consistentor inconsistent with the way

(22:48):
that we've been presentingourselves as left brain, right
brain, and so I am so excited tojump in, jump in.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Who wants to go first ?
I'm a little afraid.
As usual, you're so skittish.
Self-discovery is a little hardfor me, but okay well.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Well, here's the good news about this work is that
every last one of the archetypesthere's 49 archetypes and they
are all yummy and they're allyou know when I first found this
work years ago and I was socommitted to becoming a coach're
all you know when I first foundthis work years ago and I was
so committed to becoming a coachin, in and, and you know,
becoming certified in this.
This is in addition toHollywood and all that other

(23:30):
stuff.
That's great.
This I love because people havean opportunity to be seen and
heard and you're going to,you're going to hear things.
You go, wait a minute.
That is how I do what I do andit's it's me.
It felt life-affirming.
So I don't have to pretend tobe anything else.
I show up as me and it's likethe, the.

(23:52):
You know the road will rise upto meet me and, yeah, yeah yeah,
so I'm going to start with you,leslie, since you seem to be a
little reticent.
Well, so wait till you hearyour name.
I'm going to tell you your newname.
Your advantage is your, I'msorry, your archetype is you are

(24:14):
the change agent.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Don't that sound good ?
Go Leslie.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Go, go, go Leslie, go , go, go, Leslie.
Your advantages are power andinnovation.
I'm going to give you just youknow I wasn't going to add this
to the mix, but let me just giveyou this.
I'm going to tell you twothings that I that I love, love,
love about this.
Number one you have a twin, soI can call you either the change
agent or I can call you You'regoing to love this the maverick

(24:46):
leader.
Oh, not the maverick leader.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want the maverick leader.
Okay.
Ml for short, ML for short, themaverick.
Doesn't that sound good?
No, and I'll allow you to callme maverick, okay.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
No, no, and I'll allow you to call me maverick.
Okay, no longer leslie.
There's no love.
The maverick leader.
Now here's what's really coolabout this?

Speaker 1 (25:07):
is that my excuse me?
Excuse me, okay, dr maverickleader maverick leader.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Here's what's hysterical about that.
I have another doctor maverickleader in my life and it's my
boyfriend.
Oh, my ej is the boss and wecall him the boyfriend of
sweetness is also the maverickleader.
So when I pulled your report, Iwas like, oh, your
sister-in-law is.

(25:38):
Let's just talk about how youcommunicate already, leslie.
So the power advantage meansthat if you all hear some pages
flipping in the background,that's because I'm um, it's the
most effective way of ofcommunication.
You are inventive,untraditional and self-propelled

(26:00):
.
Um, right, you are those thingsindependent, witty, sharp.
You have a strong drive to comeup with a different approach
and you can let me know if thisresonates with you.
Or you can look in your lifewhere this, um, this pops up.
I'm going to share a story withyou in just a moment.

(26:22):
I'm like oh, my goodness, I getit.
This is where it shows up.
You bring alternative opinionsto dull meetings and fresh ideas
to stale companies.
Is that you?

Speaker 2 (26:34):
it is I want to talk about that a little bit later on
, when you finish.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
You're not afraid to be different.
When you get on a roll, you canbring people in with a flurry
of untraditional approaches.
Your energy and direction givesyou the power to inspire other
people to be innovative as well.
So the term power, you know ithas a connotation of of you know
.
You know, you know clickingdown the hallway with her high

(27:00):
heel shoes, which you may do,you know ruling.
But the truth is that truepower, when it's when it's
wielded in a particular way, isto create space for others to
shine and do well.
Let me just go through a fewother things.
I want to get to your um, um,your resourceful and artistic um

(27:21):
.
You're unafraid to go againstthe grain.
You have creativity, ideasflowing.
You, uh, your communicationstyle is bold.
I've always been so impressedwith you.
You succinctly, have alwaysenunciate your words.
You always have and you're just.

(27:42):
I can hear you clearly in myhead anytime.
I even think about you.
Clever, charming, good humor.
I have a hundred moreadjectives.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, but I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Can I remind you of something, les?
Remember this is identifyinghow people see you, and I know
that what your Judge, judy, issaying to you now maybe that

(28:18):
those things that you are notthose, the ways that we see
ourselves, we are our harshestcritic and I really want you to
do your best to let the stuff godown to your toes, because I
know that you may be having.
I know that you may be havingbecause we talked about, like

(28:39):
you know, I don't like my voiceor you know, and I'm the same
way.
I'm not saying that you knowyou're the only one who's like
this, but Kim is talking abouthow people see you.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yeah Well, let's ask her how this?

Speaker 1 (28:57):
how is this landing with you?
Do you see that, you?
How is this landing with you?
It's well, one thing I find itpretty interesting because, Kim,
you've known me all my life andsome of these things are
exactly the way that you'vedescribed me years and years ago
.
I don't know how much you, youknow, have remembered or thought

(29:19):
about that yet, but, oh my gosh, it's really something else.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
But not trying.
You know, we all know people,and women in particular, who are
trying to be a boss chick,that's, you know.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
But no, you've never told me that you've never uh
said that you had thatimpression.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
It was actually some of the other adjectives that you
said from like high school youknow, felt very much in command
of your, of your femininity,your command of your self.
You, you, yeah, yeah, and eventhough listen, all of us have
our unshakable moments on theinside, but you, you were
confident and you wereattractive, not only because

(30:04):
you're so beautiful, but youwere attractive because there
was an energy of, of, ofconfidence and and oldness, but
also allowing others to be who,who they are.
You know, you seemed veryallowing, even though you didn't
like my glitter nail polish.
She will never forgive you forthat.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Then I saw you with glitter nail polish.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
I was like oh, I love that, I love that, I love that
I love that.
But you know.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
One thing that I find so wonderful about this
fascination assessment is thathere I am perceived have gone
for all these years.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
You know they've been consistent.
Yeah, wow, say this, you know,when I was reminded while
listening to and Andrew, we'regoing to get to you and then I'm
going to double back.
So again, you are power andinnovation.
Innovation is right.
Innovation is right.
I do ideas.
Power is, you know, power isthe language of leading with
command, but not demand command,which is very different.

(31:25):
And the story of you decidingI'm going to med school at 36
and you know, it's done more andmore and more as the years have
gone by.
But you were like you said, Iwas the oldest person in my
class and I, but I wasdetermined to do it, and and and
you did it.
And then I heard on the episodeI forgot about the award that

(31:47):
you won just by showing up andbeing the, the best, not
competitive, but beingcompassionate.
Yeah, I'm just.
I know that your patients arebetter for having you in their
lives because, um, becauseyou're in their life and um.
Volumes about you and and theway you crafted a way for you to

(32:11):
be able to do it and anopportunity for your son and his
father to spend time together,while you know all this was all
happening.
That took great innovation.
There are many who would havesaid I can't do this.
And you, you, you did theultimate for everyone's life
involved, and that's thank you,love.
Thank you all right, let's hearabout ang okay, I'm to double

(32:36):
back to the tertiary in a minute, because you're going to love
this.
So, ange, angela is thecatalyst.
Catalyst, I'm going to tell youyour twin.

(32:57):
Okay, your twin is the rockstar.
Wait a minute now.
So, my dear, you are um.
You lead with passion andinnovation.

(33:19):
Passion and innovation.
So that means that both of youhave innovation in common.
So, of course, a podcast isperfect, of course, showing
others how a decades longfriendship can thrive and grow
and change and grow again.
That's innovative.

(33:39):
You know, when we hear storiesof women not getting along, I
don't have any women like thatin my life.
Yeah, ditto, like what do youmean?
Women aren't getting along,what do you mean?
Only women who support eachother, but that's another story.
So, of course, the innovationis working.
So you are out of the box,social and energizing, and, as

(34:01):
the rock star, you are bold,artistic and unorthodox, and so
notice how there's, there's thatcross.
You know that you all havetogether.
Passion is the language ofrelationships.
No, I'm sorry, passion is thelanguage of emotion.
Passion is the language ofrelationships.
No, I'm sorry, passion is thelanguage of emotion.
And you absolutely do lead withyour whole throbbing heart all

(34:21):
the time you always have and youalways have, and so the world
sees you.
This is how the world sees you.
Okay, you make a vibrant firstimpression.
Oh, my goodness.
Yes, you are valued for yourenthusiastic approach and

(34:42):
ability ability to generateideas.
I'm certain that when you werein your corporate corporate
world, when you walked in theboardroom, they're like, okay,
now we can get started, here wego.
Now we can get started, here wego.
I'm certain.
And social.
You embrace new situations andrelationships with zeal.

(35:03):
I've watched you do that for aslong as I've known you as well.
You have you know.
I've watched your curiosity aspeople from different walks of
life or different cultures wouldcome in and you'd be willing to
learn about them andincorporate.
You know how do you, how do youtalk and it just really
important.
You speak with flair and youuse expressive gestures.

(35:26):
You know how to captivate anaudience.
You're named the catalystbecause you add value by
starting action.
Wow.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
Whoa.
As in this podcast, as in this,podcast.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
As in this podcast, our producer.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
You know you often your creative spirit.
You often dislike repetitive,linear tasks.
However, you know you won'ttalk about this right brain,
left brain thing.
You know, angie, I'veabsolutely seen you in your.
You know you won't talk aboutthis right brain, left brain
thing.
You know, angie, I'veabsolutely seen you in your.
You know this.
What is the thing that youcreate and you put it on the
wall?
You engineer things.
You're an engineer, left brainfor sure, creative Absolutely.

(36:13):
And Les, I've watched you overthe years express your creative
way of you know there's a waythat you can look at something
and find the humor in it thatyou know we may not even like.
You know, like we have thisthing that we do where we laugh
at something and then it goesdeeper and then a whole other

(36:34):
thing happens and like you'reable to track this thing and
then it's almost like you createa movie with, with the way that
you're able to track this oneabout cheese, and we get to
laugh deeper and deeper anddeeper, and I watch you do that
and that's very right brain, andso I watch you all.

(36:55):
Use both and all of your big,beautiful brains to impress and
to impact.
Um, again, angela, for you.
You should be free for workthat demands untraditional
thinking.
So, or out of the box, social,energizing, enthusiastic and
creative, um, and you feelpassionately about things.

(37:19):
One of my favorite things aboutyou is how you.
Or out of the box, social,energizing, enthusiastic and
creative, and you feelpassionately about things.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
One of my favorite things about you is how you will
close your eyes to find thewords you want to say.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
She does that I do, I do, I do, and you better wait
because it's coming.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
And she'll.
She'll hold your arm down andit's like wait, like don't say
anything, don't say.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Oh my, the holding down.
And we've learned to go Wait,wait, wait, because something's
coming to the well to dig it up.
And there it comes, oh my.
And she has even said on thepodcast.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
She said on the podcast like all right, I know
I'm going on a tangent, but wait, wait, wait for me, I'm coming
back, I'm coming back.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
But do you see how, if we know this about each other
, how we can support each other?
So for someone you know whodoesn't understand that about
you, angela, they may go.
Ok, hurry up, lady, I don'thave time, come on, come on,
come on.
They need to know, you know youneed to wait for it because
she's going to the well andshe's going to pull up some gold
.
And for you, les, you know we,you know we, we know that you're

(38:27):
a doctor and we know thatyou're a scientist and we know
that you, you know you've gotthis whole left brain thing
going.
But if you give her just alittle bit of space, it's going
to be with compassion and joy.
And you have.
You occur to me as someone whohas a constant state of positive
expectancy, because we've allbeen through a lot.

(38:49):
We've all been through a lotand you have space for all of us
in the ways that you do.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
You have space for all of us in the ways that you
do.
Kim.
Let me tell you something funnythat comes up.
So Leslie and I have talkedabout in the podcast our Bible
study that we would haveSaturday mornings early Saturday
mornings, right.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
It became this constant thing that.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Leslie was always the one wide awake, bright eyed and
bushy.
7 am already took the dog for awalk, had her third cup of
coffee and we'd be just gettingup.
Could you turn down thesunshine?
Enough with the sunshinealready, it's too much.
It's too much, it's blinding.
Turn it down, Leslie.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
So yes, I'm like didn't we know that it was Bible
study?
We've been doing this for 10years.
Why are you still under thecovers?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
I just listened to that episode and you know, if it
takes 12 years to get throughthe Bible, there's no rush.
There's no rush, it's going tobe there.
It's going to be there.
I love it.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I love it.
Your father, reverend Dr Coles,would appreciate that.
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
So, kim, one of the things that I really what struck
me about the description andthe we tend to want to put
people in boxes, and here goesmy out of the box thinking it's
just the way I'm wired.
You just, you have proof ofthat now.
Ok, kim, just told y'all isthat you cannot be so rigid

(40:29):
about people.
They're only this way, orthey're only that way, or this
is the way they're going toreact because they're that way
and they're not this way.
And having these really rigid,there are always intersections,
there are always times thatpeople are going to act
differently.
And you know, just, the idea ofknowing those things that you

(40:53):
know kind of come.
You know is a consistent waythat you operate.
It doesn't, you know, is aconsistent way that you operate.
It doesn't mean that that's theonly way that you operate.
So can you talk to us aboutthat a little bit?

Speaker 3 (41:05):
You know, as you were talking, what was coming up for
me was the more of us that arewilling to see each of us, as
you know, multilayered andcomplex and to grant people
grace.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
I was just thinking grace the whole time you guys
were talking, grace.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Grace, and because on top of this is culture and
religion and background, and youknow stories of things that
have happened or haven't havehappened, and we bring all of
ourselves and, and this, I justfeel that this work, um, allows
me to go.
Okay.
So I am, by the way, I'm also acatalyst, oh, yeah and uh, you

(41:54):
know that that you get to bewilling to love all parts of
yourself and be open to lovingothers, or at least be
nonjudgmental of others, right,right.
To accept them and allow them tobe as they are and to, in
whatever ways that we can,create worlds where they can see

(42:18):
that there's a.
You know the, the, the sort ofthe flowering of themselves is a
very good idea.
You know this podcast they'regoing to be.
You know other besties wholisten to this and go we're just
like that.
Oh, we should.
You know what we wanted to readthe Bible.
Let's do that together.
You know they're going to bepeople.

(42:38):
Um, exercising, like you alldid, I dropped out of your
exercise.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, kind of early on Kim got us into a group
exercise on the catalyst.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I recommended, I highly recommended him, and then
I had to go.
We stuck with it for two years,kim, I'm so proud of you all,
but you granted me grace and youlet me go, and so I think it's
just being willing to acceptpeople as just as we want to be
accepted as well, or just to beacknowledged, to be acknowledged

(43:15):
Right accepted as well, or justto be acknowledged.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
To be acknowledged.
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