June 3, 2025 • 38 mins
Angella and Leslie explore how negative influences from their past unexpectedly became catalysts for success and personal growth. They reflect on how criticism and doubt from authority figures and partners shaped their determination rather than diminishing their spirit.
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Speaker 2 (00:02):
hey ang hey lans hey, folks, we are still in vacation
mode, so we have anotherpre-recorded episode.
That when was this what thisone was from?
About a year, two years ago.
This was from, and it's calledF, mr Reiner, and as we listened
(00:29):
to it, we really realized thatwe were talking about how we
slayed our dragons.
Right, haters are gonna hate,but we slayed some dragons and
we talk about it in this episode, mr Reiner, who was Mr Reiner
Liz?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So Mr Reiner was my fifth grade teacher and my
interaction with him actuallycarried over the years.
In fact, recording this episodewill come up in therapy, yes
for sure, and it reallyinitiated a conversation with me
(01:06):
and my bestie here and someother friends who have heard me
for 50 years talk about mrreiner.
So we really hope you enjoyedthe episode.
The rebroadcast rebroadcast upthe episode.
What do they call that?
Like an oldie but goodie?
Oh, yeah.
Or are they talking about me?
Like me, oldie but goodie?
Or are they talking about me?
Like me, oldie but goodie?
(01:26):
You see, that's why I keep youaround.
But yeah, in this case wereally did triumph over
adversity.
You know that's what we do.
That's what we do.
So enjoy this episode and don'tforget to hit like and
subscribe.
Thank you, okay, hey, and howare you?
(01:52):
I'm doing well, you lookamazing.
Thank you, you're noticing mylittle tan.
I got a little toasty.
As do you.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You were laying out a little more than I was A little
Well, you have a beautiful poolout a little more than I was.
A little Well, you have abeautiful pool.
Thank God that it's ready forus.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And it's been great just hanging out with you at the
pool and enjoying our timetogether, our hiatus.
What are we calling it?
We're calling it Wellness Week.
Wellness Week, yeah, it's beengoing great.
It is so.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Thank you very much Welcome to another episode of
Black Boomer Besties fromBrooklyn.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So you know what I really found interesting about
our being a guest on StephanieClapper and Angela Pierce
podcast Someone's Thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That was so much fun.
It was so much fun and I knowyou all caught it right Listen
when you get asked to be a gueston an amazing podcast, we feel
like we have arrived.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, that was big.
I'm like, why would they wantto talk to me?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But they did want to and it was a wonderful interview
with the two of us.
I've been on their podcastbefore, but they've wanted the
besties.
And you know somebody over hereher schedule was such that we
weren't able to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was saving lives.
I was saving lives.
I was saving lives.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So we finally got on their podcast and it went so so,
so, so, so, so well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So if you all haven't caught it, we will put the link
in the episode notes so that noone can say that they haven't
caught that.
No one can say that theyhaven't caught so, but no, what
was interesting about one of thequestions that they asked to
(03:54):
all of their guests is who orwhat was most influential in
your life.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Do you remember what I?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
said I do because it was like a big, a big aha for
you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Turned out.
It really was a big aha momentbecause for some reason I
couldn't identify what was likea positive influence in my life,
but I brought up what I callthe Mr Reiner moment.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He was more than a moment.
Well, he was a whole.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, he was a whole year.
That's one thing, but Mr Reinerwas my fifth grade elementary
school teacher and while I canremember what he looked like,
(04:54):
one of the most memorable thingsabout Mr Reiner was that he
told my then best friend thenbest friend he actually called
up her mother and told her notto associate with me, something
(05:20):
of the effect that I was badnews, trouble, and her mother
should not allow her daughter,who is new to the school, to
associate with me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So why do you think that came up as an influence?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, one of the things is that the memory has
lived for all these 15 yearsafter the incident, after the
incident.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Leslie, you are hilarious.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm like wait a minute.
I saw you praying Fifth grade,10 years, 15 years.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Lord have mercy.
Oh my gosh, no, okay, how manyyears, leslie.
How many years that was 51years ago.
Oh my gosh, okay, how manyyears later.
How many years that was 51years ago 51 years ago, and you
know that between me, you andothers.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Mr Ryan, his name comes up really often, all the
time Because we laugh at thefact that he thought I was a
near-do-well and that shouldstay away from me.
And the reason why it came upin the podcast, seriously and
(06:38):
sadly for me, is that, inaddition to just being a running
joke in my life, I realizedthat Mr Reiner did have a really
big effect on me.
Yeah, and what it actually whathe actually did to me, I
believe, was plant a seed ofsuccess.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Because it was what like.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'll show him, kind of thing.
I really think that I felt likeI have something to prove to
the Mr Reines of the world Atage 10, I didn't realize how
much of a competitive person Iwas at that time, but I've grown
(07:24):
into I am, but I've grown toknow that I am very competitive
and it has informed my careerchoices for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
My educational experiences and so much of my
life.
And I, I, when Angela orStephanie asked that question,
he was the first thing that cameup, that was a.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're like what the?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
what I was shocked, because the question was asked.
You know, the expectation, Ithink was even for you, was that
it would be a positiveinfluence.
You was that it would be apositive, a positive influence.
But this has always been MrReiner in our friend circle has
(08:20):
always been an indication ofStereotyping, stereotyping, but,
but but I think, even more thanthat, it's been like look how
much something that was meantfor bad turned for good.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And how wrong he was.
Yeah, because we speak abouthim in the context of I wish Mr
Reiner could see me now, when Iget these awards.
Or when I graduated frommedical school, or when I got my
master's degree and I was ateacher myself, you know we
would always say, oh, where's MrReiner now?
But the reason you and I havetalked about it ever since
(09:05):
speaking about that was thatwhat if I wasn't the person that
I turned out to be?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Meaning, meaning what if I?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
did not have a competitive spirit?
Or what if I allowed Mr Rainabeing an influencer in my life
and my teacher and someone thatI should emulate and listen to?
What if I started believing thenegative things that he thought
about me?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What do you think made you not do that?
What do you think made you notdo that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, a few things.
One I think that God has hadhis hand on my life for as long
as I've been alive, so I thinkthat he has always meant good
for me and wanted me and allowedme to live my fullest potential
(10:11):
.
Okay, and by doing so he gaveme the family that I have to
push me to excellence.
He equipped me with the mentalcapacity to do that and a
discerning spirit to pickfriends who were good for me in
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my life and people that I shouldfollow.
He gave me a loving husband whohas faith in me and et cetera.
So wow, but for that to come upwhen Mr Reiner has been a
running joke in our lives, tocome up in a more serious moment
, was a little unexpected for me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So I wonder, I wonder Liz, whether, whether have you
ever had any?
Has that ever come up incounseling, or any therapy that
that you've had, that ever comeup in in counseling, or any
therapy that that you've had,because it came out of nowhere.
So I'm wondering have you everexplored?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
no, I've never.
I've never thought about that.
Um, like I said, the only timethat I consciously thought or
spoke about mr Reiner was in ajoke that's our friendship
circle joke, leslie's Mr Reiner.
(11:45):
But I really think about theother Mr Reiners in the world
and how many people the MrReiners and I'll put that in
quotes how they've influenced somany people over the years and
their lives, lives decisionschoices, and they may not have
had those things that youmentioned, I've been fortunate
(12:08):
to have to steer us in the otherdirection or to turn his words
into a joke rather than take itseriously.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, and have it be something.
That kind of was like relivingthe negative.
So when you, when you, god, Ijust lost my train of thought.
I hate that, you know why?
Because I was so like intenselylistening to you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It'll come back.
It always comes back.
But here's one thing that I wasthinking, and when I was a high
school teacher yeah, that's it,if I could, because I'll forget
again.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, okay, because I'll forget again, okay, okay.
So you have mentioned a fewtimes that the main reason why
you stopped being a teacher.
That's what I was going to saywas because it wasn't your
passion and you decided that thestudents under your leadership
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deserved someone who had apassion.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They needed someone who had more passion about it
than I did.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And do you think that subconsciously it was?
I'm not going to be a Mr Reiner, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'll never be that.
I'll never be that, I'll neverbe that.
He was certainly someone I didnot want to copy.
I'll tell you that.
Well, coming from a family ofeducators, I knew what a good
educator looked like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, right and the conversations that we have had
with my family over the dinnertable.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What a good educator looked like Right right and the
conversations that we have hadwith my family over the dinner
table about their educationalendeavors.
You know, I didn't feel that inmy heart.
But I also knew of the teachersthat I was blessed and
fortunate to have, that were theopposite of Mr Reiner, that
were encouraging me and gave methe love of learning.
(14:16):
And I mean I just think abouton our week-long trip.
How many times did I mentionthe Pythagorean Theorist?
Yes you did.
We are such nerds, such nerds.
(14:36):
We're talking to landscapersabout putting up a fence, and
part of my property is sloped.
So I clearly saw that as thehypotenuse, because we were
trying to determine the heightof the hill.
Right, right, and I said wehave to use, so we would
determine.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What was the base, what was the hypotenuse?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The landscaper this 25-year-old kid was looking at
us like these women have losttheir mind and we were all into
it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
We made sense to us.
This is how you do it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Witches to the eye like.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And here's the 90 degree Shout.
We made sense to us.
This is how you do.
It Witches to the eye.
And here's the 90 degree Shout.
Out to Brooklyn Tech.
Shout out to Brooklyn Tech.
Tech night, tech night.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Tech 80.
But I have memories of myteachers and instructors that I
can visualize them in front ofthe class.
You know, making educationmagic for me, Right, Okay, and
then too, I just remember howdark and miserable being in Mr
(15:38):
Reiner's class, and like my onlyfun was sitting behind me and
us like laughing at myfriendship with her.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
She didn't listen to him, or her mother didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So I knew that I wasn't giving my students what I
had, and plus I had this otherthing, medicine, pulling me
outside of education.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And that's why I left Right Awesome.
A couple of things that come tomind.
One is how many names ofteachers who had positive
influences on you Can youremember?
That's not to put, to put youon the spot.
That is to have us really thinkabout how we're wired for the
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things that hurt, the thingsthat causes pain or the.
You know, when you, when you,um, when you get your grades,
for example, it's like yourparents will look at and say, oh
, you got a 95, how come youdidn't, how come you didn't get
100?
(16:45):
Right, it's the part that it'skind of that um, the, the miss
or the negative that gets thefocus.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Whether that and you know it's not like you have to
answer it necessarily, but Ijust kind of wanted to.
That thought came to me, yeah,and maybe it's a recognition of
something that we might want tochange that we do put focus on
(17:19):
the things, that there's a wholearea of psychology which is
fairly new I don't think it'smore than a few decades old
called positive psychology.
It's more than a few decadesold called positive psychology
and where psychology had been,how do you fix what's broken?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
in a sense Pathology.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And then positive psychology is basically how do
you accentuate what's working?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
What's working, what's working well, versus it's
like the Google reviews orthings like that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
More people review negative experiences that
they've had.
No, we don't Not.
Us Listen.
We give positive reviews.
It's like, yes, we will takethe time to give the review for
service providers.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, positive for service providers.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, positive.
So I'll tell you some of thethings that I thought about
since that revelation that youhad.
I thought about some of thepeople in my life who took a lot
of effort to try to belittle meOoh yeah, a lot of effort to
(18:31):
try to belittle me.
Ooh, yeah, and fortunately Icouldn't think of a lot of
people, but I did think of a fewpeople.
You did.
Call them out, call them out,call them out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
If you are listening, we're podcast co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We're podcast co-hosts.
Well, unfortunately, one ofthem was my first husband.
I won't call him by name, butyou know, oh, I will.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Don't do it because you said that man.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm kidding, he's become that man and let me just
say, through him I have the mostamazing, amazing, amazing
children that anyone could askfor I heard you say amazing
(19:27):
three times.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, you said amazing, amazing, amazing For three.
Yes, oh, he said amazingamazing, amazing for my children
.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yes, they are really some of the biggest teachers in
my life, and so I just, you know, wanted to put that out there.
Yeah, but you were talkingabout him.
Yeah, but he the word that helabeled me with for a
(19:57):
significant part of our marriageis loser.
Loser.
Can you believe that?
Yeah, and you know you'd liketo think that.
Yeah, but I didn't let that getto me.
But of course it gets to youwhen that is how you are, by the
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person that you're inpartnership with or desire to be
in partnership with.
That that is what not only isthought of you, but that is
what's said of you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Where do you think that comes from?
Or came from Because heexperienced you as a
professional woman?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Master's degree Earning money, a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm just saying, ivy League educated.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But so where do you think something?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Mother of his three children.
Right, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Where would his perception of you, you think,
come from?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know how they say sometimes like it's a mirror
Sure sure, sure, I was thinkingof that and wondering about Mr
Reiner's life also, actually.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But what's funny about Mr Reiner?
I was always an A student.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So I wasn't the student that got the 95s.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I got the 100s, yeah, but the thing is that it has
nothing to do with who we are.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's about them and our, who we are, it's about them
.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's about them, and so, to answer your question, I
think where that came from wasprojecting accomplishments that
he didn't have, and so it was away of well, if I don't have
these things, I'm going tobelittle the person who does.
I think that is what was goingon in that situation, instead of
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eliciting your help.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, he couldn't ask you for help because, he had
too much pride for that.
Right right, right, right right, right something.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That time and during that marriage is when my
personal experience with JesusChrist became really strong, and
so there's nothing that I wouldchange, because the result of
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all of that was a closeness toChrist that I'd never had before
and that helped me a lot inkind of processing and
understanding who I was, who Iwas in Christ, but and also who
(22:52):
I was as a human being and so on.
And that experience, and beingstrengthened by that, is
something that I would neverhave changed.
Given up when you find yourselfgoing from being in a state of
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mind where somebody else iscontrolling your emotions to
feeling like you're living sucha principled life, life that
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your children aren't seeing youchange your countenance when
your husband comes home, rightand being in joy with them, and
then when dad comes home,everything kind of gets sad and
sullen and just based on howhe's feeling, or joyous and
happy based on how he's feeling,and so, um, it was really, um,
uh, uh, a transformational timein my life when I realized that
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trying to please was a verydifferent thing than trying to
bless someone.
Pleasing someone and kind ofgetting into that enabling thing
is what I changed, and itbecame more that blessing
someone sometimes means sayingno, you're not going to.
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It's not okay for you to treatme this way.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right, but how did you come to that?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I came to that because I started to realize the
magnitude of my value.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, I started to realize that what he saw,
what he saw in me, had zero todo with who I was and it's so
funny that you say that, becausewhile you're speaking, I'm
thinking the same thing, and Ithink this is why I never really
(25:13):
held any ill will toward MrReiner.
Instead, he just became a joke.
No, no really, and that's why Ididn't personalize it a joke?
Now, no really, and that's whyI didn't personalize it.
Remember the YouTube interviewwe were listening to with
Barbara Walters?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
and Dolly Parton today.
Dolly Parton, my favorite.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So remember how Barbara Walters was essentially
insulting her and calling her ajoke Over, and over and over
again.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, aren't you a joke?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
joke, and you're a hillbilly and what have you?
And Dolly Parton never brokeher countenance and she never
dropped down, she always stayedpoised.
Because she says that it seemedlike she felt like I never took
this woman seriously, right,right.
She said in the interview Iknow who I am.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know who I am?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
yes, so she never took that on Exactly, and I
think that's why I never, youknow, succumbed or felt that way
, you know, or really was beatendown by that man, even as a 10
year old.
Right so when you say thatabout the state of your marriage
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, I get it, yeah, yeah, and Ithink for it's certainly in this
case.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I was much older than 10.
But when you are in an intimatepartnership and when your
expectations of marriage look acertain way, yeah, yeah, and
when you're not sure if it's you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You mean that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, right.
And then I know.
For me, I was alwaysconsidering what are my children
taking away from this?
That's true.
It took me a while and, by thegrace of God, reached the point
(27:24):
where I was like what the what?
This is not the way that it'ssupposed to be, this is not the
way that I'm supposed to feel.
This is not.
You know, this is all his stuffand not mine.
But it did take a lot for me toget there.
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But the change was fundamental.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It wasn't like a him and then her, and once I knew I
saw a change in you also becausewhen you told me that you were
divorcing, the two of you wereseparating and you were leaving
the state and going elsewhere.
It wasn't with that umbrella ofmelancholy you know, yeah, it
(28:16):
was resolved.
It was resolute Absolutely, andyou and the children were
looking forward to you know,this new type of thing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
There's so much that was unknown.
You don't want to look backExactly.
There was so much that wasunknown, but I knew everything.
I knew that I was going to betaken care of.
I knew that there was betterand solid and that I never
(28:49):
questioned, despite all of thestuff that was going on, the
labels or the mislabeling thatyour ex-husband heaped on you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
do you think that that was any motivation for your
future success in corporate, inyour business, in
entrepreneurship, parenting?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Probably.
I mean I really, I changedno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That was at the core of all of it.
At the core of all of it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But, Ange, you know what else that brings up, and I
think this is the most importantpoint about why we're speaking
about this is that it makes us.
It makes me more mindful of thethings that I say to people,
Absolutely, Absolutely.
It makes me more mindful of howI speak to my patients.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
If I want to encourage a patient or if I want
to educate a patient, I have tobe careful and think about what
are some of the messages thatwould be most effective.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Right, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And have the most longevity with them Because,
remember, the population ofpeople that I'm speaking to are
often ill.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They're often troubled.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They are often certainly distracted, and
perhaps the last thing they wantto hear is my advising them to
stop smoking or chastising them,or yeah, right, right so I have
to be mindful of mypresentation, right, because we
hear certain things in certainways you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, um, I was also thinking about um how powerful
words are.
Remember that we used to saysticks and stones can break our
bones, but words can never hurtus.
You know I was thinking aboutthat and the idea that words can
actually kill.
And can I go off on a littletangent, May I?
(31:40):
It wouldn't be you if youdidn't so seriously, seriously,
right, when you think aboutsomeone like Emmett Till right.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Words, that woman's words, about her lie about what
he did and who he was.
And you know her lie about whathe did and who he was, and you
know, led to his um murder is isis not even the his um lynching
(32:14):
his lynching his torturing um,the, the, the lack of humanity
of any level that he was givenwas the result of this person's
words about what he did to her.
So words can kill.
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And she came to mind, really,because I won't even call her
name, but she recently died andyou all probably know that she
recanted.
She recanted her lie, sherecanted what she said, that he
spoke to her inappropriately,which led to to these men
(33:02):
murdering him.
And she died recently.
And so she's kind of been inthe back of my mind, not her,
but the idea that words are sopowerful and people just use
them with so little regard.
(33:22):
That's where my mind went as wewere talking about Dr Reiner
after the podcast episode.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Don't call him Dr Reiner.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I keep saying Dr Reiner, I don't Mr Reiner, fuck
Mr Reiner.
We will mark this as adultcontent but he really deserves
that.
He really deserves that.
(33:54):
So have you consideredforgiveness?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Do you have unforgiveness in your heart for
mr reiner?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
wait um, let me just for a second, you sounded like
the end of a church sermon, likewhen my pastor would be at the
pulpit and it's the end, youknow, and he's about to do the
altar call.
The altar call, but before,after his sermon, he says so, do
(34:29):
you have forgiveness?
Okay, so that's what yousounded like, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm sorry.
Do you have forgiveness?
No, but seriously, right,because we all know that
forgiveness is not for theperson who caused the wrong.
Forgiveness is for the personwho is.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I'll tell you why I don't.
I don't even think that'sapplicable in this case.
Okay, and let me tell you why.
Why I don't even think that'sapplicable in this case.
And let me tell you why BecauseI did not spend 50 years being
angry or upset with Mr Reinerand I think maybe it's
(35:15):
indicative of my lifelong natureof being jovial and
lighthearted and glass half fullkind of lady.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And sunshiny, and sunshiny, whatever so.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I never thought that I felt the weight of that on me,
right, you know?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
So I was never upset with him enough that I had
anything to forgive.
Are you now?
I'm now no.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Now that you've thought about him, you know what
Fuck, mr Reiner, mr Reiner.
You're forgiven and everything.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, you're forgiven , but still, you know, I
remember one time we were joking.
We've been joking about thisman for a long time.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I never met the guy you know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But I just remember saying like I'm glad he's dead,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean the man was probably 50 or 60 years old, 50
or 60 years ago.
At the right time.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
You know what?
As a 10-year-old, he probablywas 30.
Right, he could still be alive.
Oh my God, I tell you.
Here's what.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'm going to do, bring it in.
Well, go ahead.
You want to?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
say something.
I'm going to look him up.
Okay, I'm going to look him up.
I'm going to look him up.
Okay, I'm going to look him up.
I'm going to, I'm going to findout more about Mr Reiner.
Okay, wouldn't that beinteresting.
That would be amazing.
Could you imagine you should?
Maybe?
What if I found like hisrelatives, like his children and
what?
(36:59):
This is like a Louis Gatesmoment.
Let's do it Like, let's go backand let's do it.
I can't believe.
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I love it.
I mean he's you know, part ofthe New York City public school
system he was and he's let's doit, let's get to the bottom of
it.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It may explain why he had this way of seeing you.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I can't even believe what if they found out he was
fired for impropriety or whathave you?
I wasn't thinking that.
No, no, no, I don't meanimpropriety, but I'm like he
just messed up with too manypeople's minds.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And it's like you're out of here.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Get out of here, and it's like you're out of here.
Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Okay, I think we should.
I think that's a great idea.
I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
This would be unbelievable.
Stay tuned, season four.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Listen season four.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Not season four.
Return of Mr Reiner.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Okay guys.
No, Mr Reiner explained.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Mr Reiner explained.
We'll make it scholarly, okay,all right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So you know what.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
This has been another episode of Black Boomer Besties
from Brooklyn, brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
See you next time.
hey ang hey lans hey, folks, we are still in vacation
mode, so we have anotherpre-recorded episode.
That when was this what thisone was from?
About a year, two years ago.
This was from, and it's calledF, mr Reiner, and as we listened
(00:29):
to it, we really realized thatwe were talking about how we
slayed our dragons.
Right, haters are gonna hate,but we slayed some dragons and
we talk about it in this episode, mr Reiner, who was Mr Reiner
Liz?
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So Mr Reiner was my fifth grade teacher and my
interaction with him actuallycarried over the years.
In fact, recording this episodewill come up in therapy, yes
for sure, and it reallyinitiated a conversation with me
(01:06):
and my bestie here and someother friends who have heard me
for 50 years talk about mrreiner.
So we really hope you enjoyedthe episode.
The rebroadcast rebroadcast upthe episode.
What do they call that?
Like an oldie but goodie?
Oh, yeah.
Or are they talking about me?
Like me, oldie but goodie?
Or are they talking about me?
Like me, oldie but goodie?
(01:26):
You see, that's why I keep youaround.
But yeah, in this case wereally did triumph over
adversity.
You know that's what we do.
That's what we do.
So enjoy this episode and don'tforget to hit like and
subscribe.
Thank you, okay, hey, and howare you?
(01:52):
I'm doing well, you lookamazing.
Thank you, you're noticing mylittle tan.
I got a little toasty.
As do you.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
You were laying out a little more than I was A little
Well, you have a beautiful poolout a little more than I was.
A little Well, you have abeautiful pool.
Thank God that it's ready forus.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And it's been great just hanging out with you at the
pool and enjoying our timetogether, our hiatus.
What are we calling it?
We're calling it Wellness Week.
Wellness Week, yeah, it's beengoing great.
It is so.
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Thank you very much Welcome to another episode of
Black Boomer Besties fromBrooklyn.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Brooklyn.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So you know what I really found interesting about
our being a guest on StephanieClapper and Angela Pierce
podcast Someone's Thunder.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
That was so much fun.
It was so much fun and I knowyou all caught it right Listen
when you get asked to be a gueston an amazing podcast, we feel
like we have arrived.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, that was big.
I'm like, why would they wantto talk to me?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
But they did want to and it was a wonderful interview
with the two of us.
I've been on their podcastbefore, but they've wanted the
besties.
And you know somebody over hereher schedule was such that we
weren't able to.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I was saving lives.
I was saving lives.
I was saving lives.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
So we finally got on their podcast and it went so so,
so, so, so, so well.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
So if you all haven't caught it, we will put the link
in the episode notes so that noone can say that they haven't
caught that.
No one can say that theyhaven't caught so, but no, what
was interesting about one of thequestions that they asked to
(03:54):
all of their guests is who orwhat was most influential in
your life.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Do you remember what I?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
said I do because it was like a big, a big aha for
you.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Turned out.
It really was a big aha momentbecause for some reason I
couldn't identify what was likea positive influence in my life,
but I brought up what I callthe Mr Reiner moment.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
He was more than a moment.
Well, he was a whole.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
Yeah, he was a whole year.
That's one thing, but Mr Reinerwas my fifth grade elementary
school teacher and while I canremember what he looked like,
(04:54):
one of the most memorable thingsabout Mr Reiner was that he
told my then best friend thenbest friend he actually called
up her mother and told her notto associate with me, something
(05:20):
of the effect that I was badnews, trouble, and her mother
should not allow her daughter,who is new to the school, to
associate with me.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
So why do you think that came up as an influence?
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Well, one of the things is that the memory has
lived for all these 15 yearsafter the incident, after the
incident.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Leslie, you are hilarious.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I'm like wait a minute.
I saw you praying Fifth grade,10 years, 15 years.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
Lord have mercy.
Oh my gosh, no, okay, how manyyears, leslie.
How many years that was 51years ago.
Oh my gosh, okay, how manyyears later.
How many years that was 51years ago 51 years ago, and you
know that between me, you andothers.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Mr Ryan, his name comes up really often, all the
time Because we laugh at thefact that he thought I was a
near-do-well and that shouldstay away from me.
And the reason why it came upin the podcast, seriously and
(06:38):
sadly for me, is that, inaddition to just being a running
joke in my life, I realizedthat Mr Reiner did have a really
big effect on me.
Yeah, and what it actually whathe actually did to me, I
believe, was plant a seed ofsuccess.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Because it was what like.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
I'll show him, kind of thing.
I really think that I felt likeI have something to prove to
the Mr Reines of the world Atage 10, I didn't realize how
much of a competitive person Iwas at that time, but I've grown
(07:24):
into I am, but I've grown toknow that I am very competitive
and it has informed my careerchoices for sure.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
My educational experiences and so much of my
life.
And I, I, when Angela orStephanie asked that question,
he was the first thing that cameup, that was a.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
I was shocked.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
You're like what the?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
what I was shocked, because the question was asked.
You know, the expectation, Ithink was even for you, was that
it would be a positiveinfluence.
You was that it would be apositive, a positive influence.
But this has always been MrReiner in our friend circle has
(08:20):
always been an indication ofStereotyping, stereotyping, but,
but but I think, even more thanthat, it's been like look how
much something that was meantfor bad turned for good.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
And how wrong he was.
Yeah, because we speak abouthim in the context of I wish Mr
Reiner could see me now, when Iget these awards.
Or when I graduated frommedical school, or when I got my
master's degree and I was ateacher myself, you know we
would always say, oh, where's MrReiner now?
But the reason you and I havetalked about it ever since
(09:05):
speaking about that was thatwhat if I wasn't the person that
I turned out to be?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Meaning, meaning what if I?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
did not have a competitive spirit?
Or what if I allowed Mr Rainabeing an influencer in my life
and my teacher and someone thatI should emulate and listen to?
What if I started believing thenegative things that he thought
about me?
Speaker 2 (09:38):
What do you think made you not do that?
What do you think made you notdo that?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, a few things.
One I think that God has hadhis hand on my life for as long
as I've been alive, so I thinkthat he has always meant good
for me and wanted me and allowedme to live my fullest potential
(10:11):
.
Okay, and by doing so he gaveme the family that I have to
push me to excellence.
He equipped me with the mentalcapacity to do that and a
discerning spirit to pickfriends who were good for me in
(10:37):
my life and people that I shouldfollow.
He gave me a loving husband whohas faith in me and et cetera.
So wow, but for that to come upwhen Mr Reiner has been a
running joke in our lives, tocome up in a more serious moment
, was a little unexpected for me.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
So I wonder, I wonder Liz, whether, whether have you
ever had any?
Has that ever come up incounseling, or any therapy that
that you've had, that ever comeup in in counseling, or any
therapy that that you've had,because it came out of nowhere.
So I'm wondering have you everexplored?
Speaker 1 (11:19):
no, I've never.
I've never thought about that.
Um, like I said, the only timethat I consciously thought or
spoke about mr Reiner was in ajoke that's our friendship
circle joke, leslie's Mr Reiner.
(11:45):
But I really think about theother Mr Reiners in the world
and how many people the MrReiners and I'll put that in
quotes how they've influenced somany people over the years and
their lives, lives decisionschoices, and they may not have
had those things that youmentioned, I've been fortunate
(12:08):
to have to steer us in the otherdirection or to turn his words
into a joke rather than take itseriously.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, and have it be something.
That kind of was like relivingthe negative.
So when you, when you, god, Ijust lost my train of thought.
I hate that, you know why?
Because I was so like intenselylistening to you.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
It'll come back.
It always comes back.
But here's one thing that I wasthinking, and when I was a high
school teacher yeah, that's it,if I could, because I'll forget
again.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Okay, okay, because I'll forget again, okay, okay.
So you have mentioned a fewtimes that the main reason why
you stopped being a teacher.
That's what I was going to saywas because it wasn't your
passion and you decided that thestudents under your leadership
(13:15):
deserved someone who had apassion.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
They needed someone who had more passion about it
than I did.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
And do you think that subconsciously it was?
I'm not going to be a Mr Reiner, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
I'll never be that.
I'll never be that, I'll neverbe that.
He was certainly someone I didnot want to copy.
I'll tell you that.
Well, coming from a family ofeducators, I knew what a good
educator looked like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Right, right and the conversations that we have had
with my family over the dinnertable.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What a good educator looked like Right right and the
conversations that we have hadwith my family over the dinner
table about their educationalendeavors.
You know, I didn't feel that inmy heart.
But I also knew of the teachersthat I was blessed and
fortunate to have, that were theopposite of Mr Reiner, that
were encouraging me and gave methe love of learning.
(14:16):
And I mean I just think abouton our week-long trip.
How many times did I mentionthe Pythagorean Theorist?
Yes you did.
We are such nerds, such nerds.
(14:36):
We're talking to landscapersabout putting up a fence, and
part of my property is sloped.
So I clearly saw that as thehypotenuse, because we were
trying to determine the heightof the hill.
Right, right, and I said wehave to use, so we would
determine.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What was the base, what was the hypotenuse?
Speaker 1 (14:58):
The landscaper this 25-year-old kid was looking at
us like these women have losttheir mind and we were all into
it.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
We made sense to us.
This is how you do it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Witches to the eye like.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
And here's the 90 degree Shout.
We made sense to us.
This is how you do.
It Witches to the eye.
And here's the 90 degree Shout.
Out to Brooklyn Tech.
Shout out to Brooklyn Tech.
Tech night, tech night.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Tech 80.
But I have memories of myteachers and instructors that I
can visualize them in front ofthe class.
You know, making educationmagic for me, Right, Okay, and
then too, I just remember howdark and miserable being in Mr
(15:38):
Reiner's class, and like my onlyfun was sitting behind me and
us like laughing at myfriendship with her.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
She didn't listen to him, or her mother didn't listen
to him.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
So I knew that I wasn't giving my students what I
had, and plus I had this otherthing, medicine, pulling me
outside of education.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
And that's why I left Right Awesome.
A couple of things that come tomind.
One is how many names ofteachers who had positive
influences on you Can youremember?
That's not to put, to put youon the spot.
That is to have us really thinkabout how we're wired for the
(16:25):
things that hurt, the thingsthat causes pain or the.
You know, when you, when you,um, when you get your grades,
for example, it's like yourparents will look at and say, oh
, you got a 95, how come youdidn't, how come you didn't get
100?
(16:45):
Right, it's the part that it'skind of that um, the, the miss
or the negative that gets thefocus.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Whether that and you know it's not like you have to
answer it necessarily, but Ijust kind of wanted to.
That thought came to me, yeah,and maybe it's a recognition of
something that we might want tochange that we do put focus on
(17:19):
the things, that there's a wholearea of psychology which is
fairly new I don't think it'smore than a few decades old
called positive psychology.
It's more than a few decadesold called positive psychology
and where psychology had been,how do you fix what's broken?
Speaker 1 (17:38):
in a sense Pathology.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And then positive psychology is basically how do
you accentuate what's working?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
What's working, what's working well, versus it's
like the Google reviews orthings like that.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
More people review negative experiences that
they've had.
No, we don't Not.
Us Listen.
We give positive reviews.
It's like, yes, we will takethe time to give the review for
service providers.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah, positive for service providers.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, positive.
So I'll tell you some of thethings that I thought about
since that revelation that youhad.
I thought about some of thepeople in my life who took a lot
of effort to try to belittle meOoh yeah, a lot of effort to
(18:31):
try to belittle me.
Ooh, yeah, and fortunately Icouldn't think of a lot of
people, but I did think of a fewpeople.
You did.
Call them out, call them out,call them out.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
If you are listening, we're podcast co-hosts.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
We're podcast co-hosts.
Well, unfortunately, one ofthem was my first husband.
I won't call him by name, butyou know, oh, I will.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Don't do it because you said that man.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I'm kidding, he's become that man and let me just
say, through him I have the mostamazing, amazing, amazing
children that anyone could askfor I heard you say amazing
(19:27):
three times.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh, you said amazing, amazing, amazing For three.
Yes, oh, he said amazingamazing, amazing for my children
.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yes, they are really some of the biggest teachers in
my life, and so I just, you know, wanted to put that out there.
Yeah, but you were talkingabout him.
Yeah, but he the word that helabeled me with for a
(19:57):
significant part of our marriageis loser.
Loser.
Can you believe that?
Yeah, and you know you'd liketo think that.
Yeah, but I didn't let that getto me.
But of course it gets to youwhen that is how you are, by the
(20:20):
person that you're inpartnership with or desire to be
in partnership with.
That that is what not only isthought of you, but that is
what's said of you.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Where do you think that comes from?
Or came from Because heexperienced you as a
professional woman?
Speaker 2 (20:43):
Master's degree Earning money, a lot of money.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'm just saying, ivy League educated.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
But so where do you think something?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Mother of his three children.
Right, right, yes.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Where would his perception of you, you think,
come from?
Speaker 2 (21:08):
You know how they say sometimes like it's a mirror
Sure sure, sure, I was thinkingof that and wondering about Mr
Reiner's life also, actually.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
But what's funny about Mr Reiner?
I was always an A student.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
So I wasn't the student that got the 95s.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I got the 100s, yeah, but the thing is that it has
nothing to do with who we are.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's about them and our, who we are, it's about them
.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's about them, and so, to answer your question, I
think where that came from wasprojecting accomplishments that
he didn't have, and so it was away of well, if I don't have
these things, I'm going tobelittle the person who does.
I think that is what was goingon in that situation, instead of
(21:59):
eliciting your help.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Well, he couldn't ask you for help because, he had
too much pride for that.
Right right, right, right right, right something.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
That time and during that marriage is when my
personal experience with JesusChrist became really strong, and
so there's nothing that I wouldchange, because the result of
(22:32):
all of that was a closeness toChrist that I'd never had before
and that helped me a lot inkind of processing and
understanding who I was, who Iwas in Christ, but and also who
(22:52):
I was as a human being and so on.
And that experience, and beingstrengthened by that, is
something that I would neverhave changed.
Given up when you find yourselfgoing from being in a state of
(23:15):
mind where somebody else iscontrolling your emotions to
feeling like you're living sucha principled life, life that
(23:39):
your children aren't seeing youchange your countenance when
your husband comes home, rightand being in joy with them, and
then when dad comes home,everything kind of gets sad and
sullen and just based on howhe's feeling, or joyous and
happy based on how he's feeling,and so, um, it was really, um,
uh, uh, a transformational timein my life when I realized that
(24:06):
trying to please was a verydifferent thing than trying to
bless someone.
Pleasing someone and kind ofgetting into that enabling thing
is what I changed, and itbecame more that blessing
someone sometimes means sayingno, you're not going to.
(24:31):
It's not okay for you to treatme this way.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Right, but how did you come to that?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Well, I came to that because I started to realize the
magnitude of my value.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
You know, I started to realize that what he saw,
what he saw in me, had zero todo with who I was and it's so
funny that you say that, becausewhile you're speaking, I'm
thinking the same thing, and Ithink this is why I never really
(25:13):
held any ill will toward MrReiner.
Instead, he just became a joke.
No, no really, and that's why Ididn't personalize it a joke?
Now, no really, and that's whyI didn't personalize it.
Remember the YouTube interviewwe were listening to with
Barbara Walters?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
and Dolly Parton today.
Dolly Parton, my favorite.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
So remember how Barbara Walters was essentially
insulting her and calling her ajoke Over, and over and over
again.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yes, aren't you a joke?
Speaker 1 (25:46):
joke, and you're a hillbilly and what have you?
And Dolly Parton never brokeher countenance and she never
dropped down, she always stayedpoised.
Because she says that it seemedlike she felt like I never took
this woman seriously, right,right.
She said in the interview Iknow who I am.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I know who I am?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
yes, so she never took that on Exactly, and I
think that's why I never, youknow, succumbed or felt that way
, you know, or really was beatendown by that man, even as a 10
year old.
Right so when you say thatabout the state of your marriage
(26:30):
, I get it, yeah, yeah, and Ithink for it's certainly in this
case.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I was much older than 10.
But when you are in an intimatepartnership and when your
expectations of marriage look acertain way, yeah, yeah, and
when you're not sure if it's you, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
You mean that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, right.
And then I know.
For me, I was alwaysconsidering what are my children
taking away from this?
That's true.
It took me a while and, by thegrace of God, reached the point
(27:24):
where I was like what the what?
This is not the way that it'ssupposed to be, this is not the
way that I'm supposed to feel.
This is not.
You know, this is all his stuffand not mine.
But it did take a lot for me toget there.
(27:50):
But the change was fundamental.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
It wasn't like a him and then her, and once I knew I
saw a change in you also becausewhen you told me that you were
divorcing, the two of you wereseparating and you were leaving
the state and going elsewhere.
It wasn't with that umbrella ofmelancholy you know, yeah, it
(28:16):
was resolved.
It was resolute Absolutely, andyou and the children were
looking forward to you know,this new type of thing.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
There's so much that was unknown.
You don't want to look backExactly.
There was so much that wasunknown, but I knew everything.
I knew that I was going to betaken care of.
I knew that there was betterand solid and that I never
(28:49):
questioned, despite all of thestuff that was going on, the
labels or the mislabeling thatyour ex-husband heaped on you.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
do you think that that was any motivation for your
future success in corporate, inyour business, in
entrepreneurship, parenting?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Probably.
I mean I really, I changedno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Of course, of course.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That was at the core of all of it.
At the core of all of it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
But, Ange, you know what else that brings up, and I
think this is the most importantpoint about why we're speaking
about this is that it makes us.
It makes me more mindful of thethings that I say to people,
Absolutely, Absolutely.
It makes me more mindful of howI speak to my patients.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
If I want to encourage a patient or if I want
to educate a patient, I have tobe careful and think about what
are some of the messages thatwould be most effective.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
Right, okay.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
And have the most longevity with them Because,
remember, the population ofpeople that I'm speaking to are
often ill.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
They're often troubled.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
They are often certainly distracted, and
perhaps the last thing they wantto hear is my advising them to
stop smoking or chastising them,or yeah, right, right so I have
to be mindful of mypresentation, right, because we
hear certain things in certainways you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Yeah, um, I was also thinking about um how powerful
words are.
Remember that we used to saysticks and stones can break our
bones, but words can never hurtus.
You know I was thinking aboutthat and the idea that words can
actually kill.
And can I go off on a littletangent, May I?
(31:40):
It wouldn't be you if youdidn't so seriously, seriously,
right, when you think aboutsomeone like Emmett Till right.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Words, that woman's words, about her lie about what
he did and who he was.
And you know her lie about whathe did and who he was, and you
know, led to his um murder is isis not even the his um lynching
(32:14):
his lynching his torturing um,the, the, the lack of humanity
of any level that he was givenwas the result of this person's
words about what he did to her.
So words can kill.
(32:34):
And she came to mind, really,because I won't even call her
name, but she recently died andyou all probably know that she
recanted.
She recanted her lie, sherecanted what she said, that he
spoke to her inappropriately,which led to to these men
(33:02):
murdering him.
And she died recently.
And so she's kind of been inthe back of my mind, not her,
but the idea that words are sopowerful and people just use
them with so little regard.
(33:22):
That's where my mind went as wewere talking about Dr Reiner
after the podcast episode.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Don't call him Dr Reiner.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
I keep saying Dr Reiner, I don't Mr Reiner, fuck
Mr Reiner.
We will mark this as adultcontent but he really deserves
that.
He really deserves that.
(33:54):
So have you consideredforgiveness?
Speaker 1 (33:59):
What do you mean?
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Do you have unforgiveness in your heart for
mr reiner?
Speaker 1 (34:04):
wait um, let me just for a second, you sounded like
the end of a church sermon, likewhen my pastor would be at the
pulpit and it's the end, youknow, and he's about to do the
altar call.
The altar call, but before,after his sermon, he says so, do
(34:29):
you have forgiveness?
Okay, so that's what yousounded like, all right.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I'm sorry.
Do you have forgiveness?
No, but seriously, right,because we all know that
forgiveness is not for theperson who caused the wrong.
Forgiveness is for the personwho is.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
I'll tell you why I don't.
I don't even think that'sapplicable in this case.
Okay, and let me tell you why.
Why I don't even think that'sapplicable in this case.
And let me tell you why BecauseI did not spend 50 years being
angry or upset with Mr Reinerand I think maybe it's
(35:15):
indicative of my lifelong natureof being jovial and
lighthearted and glass half fullkind of lady.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
And sunshiny, and sunshiny, whatever so.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
I never thought that I felt the weight of that on me,
right, you know?
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Right right.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
So I was never upset with him enough that I had
anything to forgive.
Are you now?
I'm now no.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Now that you've thought about him, you know what
Fuck, mr Reiner, mr Reiner.
You're forgiven and everything.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, you're forgiven , but still, you know, I
remember one time we were joking.
We've been joking about thisman for a long time.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
And I never met the guy you know.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
But I just remember saying like I'm glad he's dead,
you know.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I mean the man was probably 50 or 60 years old, 50
or 60 years ago.
At the right time.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
You know what?
As a 10-year-old, he probablywas 30.
Right, he could still be alive.
Oh my God, I tell you.
Here's what.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
I'm going to do, bring it in.
Well, go ahead.
You want to?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
say something.
I'm going to look him up.
Okay, I'm going to look him up.
I'm going to look him up.
Okay, I'm going to look him up.
I'm going to, I'm going to findout more about Mr Reiner.
Okay, wouldn't that beinteresting.
That would be amazing.
Could you imagine you should?
Maybe?
What if I found like hisrelatives, like his children and
what?
(36:59):
This is like a Louis Gatesmoment.
Let's do it Like, let's go backand let's do it.
I can't believe.
I just said that.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
I love it.
I mean he's you know, part ofthe New York City public school
system he was and he's let's doit, let's get to the bottom of
it.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
It may explain why he had this way of seeing you.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
I can't even believe what if they found out he was
fired for impropriety or whathave you?
I wasn't thinking that.
No, no, no, I don't meanimpropriety, but I'm like he
just messed up with too manypeople's minds.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And it's like you're out of here.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Get out of here, and it's like you're out of here.
Get out of here.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Okay, I think we should.
I think that's a great idea.
I think that's a great idea.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
This would be unbelievable.
Stay tuned, season four.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Listen season four.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Not season four.
Return of Mr Reiner.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Okay guys.
No, Mr Reiner explained.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
Mr Reiner explained.
We'll make it scholarly, okay,all right.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
So you know what.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
This has been another episode of Black Boomer Besties
from Brooklyn, brooklyn.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
See you next time.
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