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Two longtime friends, Lenora Norman & Tiffany Knotts share how they built an unexpected sisterhood through motorcycle riding and the creation of Smok’n Jewl’z Motorcycle Club. Their journey reveals how finding your passion can lead to deep connections, freedom, and joy at any age.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey Ange, hey Les, how you doing.
Oh my God, the party hasstarted already.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Do you believe this?
It has begun.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Okay, you guys are going to find out where all this
chicanery and laughing iscoming from in just a few
minutes.
We have two lovely ladies asguests today and, omg, I'm
already in love and we haven'teven started the interview.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
You haven't even introduced the podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
So I'm going to say first welcome to another episode
of Black Boomer Besties fromBrooklyn.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm Angella and that's Leslie, my best friend of
almost 50 freaking years.
We are two free-thinking60-something-year-old women who
have decided to be more bold andjoyful in our lives, and we
invite you to come along with us.
Come along with us Before weget started.

(01:03):
Well, listen, let me just thesetwo right here.
When you find out how we met,how this all began, you're going
to fall in love too.
Before we get started, lesliehas an ask for you.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
If you're here watching us now, I think you'll
like us.
I think you like us already, soI would love for you to click
like and subscribe and also turnon notifications so that you
can hear about when we drop allcontent.
We come in about every week orso, but it's really good stuff.
Tell your friends and hitnotifications now.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Thank you.
Thank you, all right, I'm goingto jump in because I'm going to
set up.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
I'm going to set it up, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
You're going to set it off, I'm going to set it off.
So a few.
First of all, I love blackwomen.
I just Okay.
This is one of the reasons.
If you ask me why, why blackwomen?
Why what's the big deal special?
We're special.
So I'm having lunch, um, myfriend, our friend kim coles,

(02:12):
came to my city, um, on her wayto another city, and they were
like ang, let's get together waskim and her partner, and we're
sitting at a restaurant that waslocal to me.
We're eating, we're talking,kim is telling me some stuff.
It's getting emotional.

(02:33):
I go sit next to her.
We're hugging, we're doing allthe things, we're laughing, all
the things.
We finish eating and the waitercomes over to us and says, oh,
your bill was paid for by thattable over there.
So we're like what?
That table over there had thesetwo women sitting there, and so

(02:55):
we kind of gestured over reallyand they were like yeah, yeah,
yeah, we did that.
And I'm like who does that?
They're usually Kim is acelebrity.
That they're usually kim is acelebrity.
They're usually just asking forthings.
It's never a giving stuff, it'sa, it's a take.
You know, requesting, can youdo you mind?
But these two paid for thethree of our bill, right.

(03:21):
So we went over to them tothank them and, of course, um,
taking all the photos and all ofthat.
And then other people at othertables came over to kim, but
these two women I felt theirenergy and I was like let's go
outside.
And we went outside and juststarted loving on each other,

(03:44):
like hugging, and just giggling,and oh my God, this is so
amazing, this is this is sowonderful.
What do you guys do?
What are you into what?
Why are you here?
And they said that they weremembers of a bike bike women's
bikers not, not these kind ofbikers.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Because you don't know how to ride a bike.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
I know how to ride a bike, these kind of I know how
to ride a bike.
I just don't like riding bikes.
You don't know how to ride abicycle.
I don't like it.
Neither do you know how to swim.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
I'm putting yourself out.
These are two skills you justdon't have.
Okay, but back to the bike,motorcycles.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Look at Tiffany.
I mean they ride bikes.
And I was like, oh my gosh,this is amazing.
And there were so many thingsthat we had in common and I was
like, look, would you be guestson our podcast?
And they were like, oh my God,yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
We're going to insert somepictures so you can see, you can

(04:40):
feel the energy when you see usgrinning, grinning, just having
met like five minutes before.
But this is what I mean there issuch a knowing that we have, as
Black women especially, thatjust oozed out.
The day was crisp and beautiful, the, you know, there was so

(05:04):
much kind of joy everywhere andwe just, I mean, you know, I'm a
hugger and they were like itwas, it was just beautiful.
So I reached out, I'm like, yes, please gave them the
information.
And here we are and we're soexcited because we want to hear
all about how, and we're soexcited because we want to hear

(05:25):
all about how what configurationin your lives got you two to be
this good friends and got youguys into this biker babe thing.
We want all, all the stuff, allthe juice.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Right, and it's just.
I mean smoking.
Jewels, motorcycle club yesindeed.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I'm looking at pictures of all of these
beautiful black women in theirgarb and vests, and bikes and
boots and I'm like and then hereyou are.
So welcome.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Thank you for saying yes, thank you for bringing your
energy.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
And I want to introduce you to Elle Rocker
Lenora and.
Tiffany Natalie Welcome.
Yes, yes, did I get that right?

Speaker 2 (06:28):
it's perfect, yeah this is how accommodating they
are, right.
So when I did the follow-up andI'm like lenora okay, um, I did
, I get.
I put natalie.
I said Lenora, could you guys?
I and I called her Natalie.

(06:49):
And now, just because she's asweetheart, she's like if you
want me to be Natalie, I'll beNatalie.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Tiffany, natalie.
Oh my gosh, you guys.
So we're keeping it.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
Oh my gosh, I love this.
I love this.
I love this.
Listen, I am still in Panama.
This is my last week here.
I've been here for over twoweeks and I just listen.
The first availability you had,I wanted to lock you in.
First availability you had, Iwanted to lock you in.

(07:25):
So please just start with howyou two met and how your
friendship developed.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh, it's one of our favorite stories actually Ever
in life.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Fight, fight.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Literally, I made's move to South Carolina and there
was this guy, maurice Muzik, ifyou're watching.
Maurice Muzik and I said he wasgoing to be my boyfriend.
Well, he was already herboyfriend you're not about to do
that so then we on the phoneand of course, back in the day

(08:07):
this was like the 80s.
So it's the actual telephonewith the cord and everything,
but it's the movie.
No fight ever happened.
No fight transpired from it.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
But what did transpire?

Speaker 4 (08:23):
because I had a lot of mouth when I was new to the
area was everybody else.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
I don't believe that it's shocking.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
It's shocking, but yeah, for whatever reason they
asked me and she took pity uponme.
She was like you know what, I'mnot going to let you just beat
her up like that.
And we were friends ever sincehow long ago was that?

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Oh wow, and we were friends ever since.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Oh my God, sixth grade.
She was in the seventh grade,yes.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's a big old heart right there.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
It is.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I didn't want to get beat up by the entire
neighborhood because literallynobody looked.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh no, and what happened to the guy?
Did you find out, mr Mazik?
Yeah, what's funny, nobodylooked.
Oh no, and what happened to theguy?

Speaker 1 (09:05):
did you find out what happened, mr?

Speaker 4 (09:05):
Mazzic, mr Mazzic you know, what's funny is, during
bike week last week, we foundout that he had a 50th birthday
party and he's the one who wasinvited.

Speaker 3 (09:15):
We were I'm wasting my seventh grade year to not get
invited to his 50th?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
birthday oh my god, you should have ridden up.
You should have ridden up.
No, that's the horse right.
That's the horse.

Speaker 4 (09:31):
You got to put the arms out.
That's what you should havedone.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
You need to tune up.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
And how did the riding begin?
Tell us that part part, becausethat is joyful, living right
there is getting on your, whatkind of bikes you have.
Let me pretend like I knowanything other than a harley and
what else I have a suzukinaibusa 1300 wow, and I have a
Cruiser, so it's the SuzukiBoulevard M50.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
So we have different bike styles, yes, but through
form.
She's been doing this for years, okay, and I just got my
license, like a couple monthsago, oh, wow.
So I am so not wearing likethis shirt.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:25):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
So tell me, tell us again the name of the club and
what made you start it.
So, lenora, you started thebike club.
Yes, motorcycle club.
I'm going to say that iscorrect.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Smoke and Jewels Motorcycle Club.
We were started back in 2015.
I was in the club prior to forabout five years and that club
folded, started smoking jewels.
We have our 10th anniversarycoming up in August.
Yes, so it all started with meas far as riding.

(10:58):
When I was five years old, myuncle was a motorcyclist down in
South Carolina and I burned myknee trying to climb on his bike
.
Oh no, at five years old, oh mygosh.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
So ever since then I've been sold.
I love living on the edge,apparently, yes, clearly.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Because a burnt knee could mean I will never get near
another bike.

Speaker 3 (11:25):
No, not this person.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wow, I just have so many questions about that.
Yes, so where are you based, orwhere's the club based, or is
it everywhere?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
It's where we have two chapters, one in Virginia
and one in Atlanta Georgia.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Okay, okay.
So for me there's a leap.
There's a big leap betweengetting bit by that bug of bikes
, you know of a motorcycle, theburn bug.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
I was going to say burn by the exhaust, the burn by
the exhaust, the burn by theexhaust that happened to me once
and that just made me want toget back on but it didn't make
me like run towards it.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So what?
Like?
I mean, you went from that andI guess you started riding as
you got older when I was about14, my uncle kind of taught me a
lot with motorcycles he wasactually in a motorcycle club
called King Cobra's in SouthCarolina, so I watched him ride,
ride, ride and I wanted to be apart.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
And actually his daughter was one of the first
females to ride in Myrtle Beach.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Oh, they call it Merge's.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Community.
Yeah, so I was inspired by alot of that.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Right, right, wow, okay, and then it's funny, I'm
going to interrupt you for asecond, because my dad was a
rider as well, okay, and he waspart of a motorcycle club in New
York City.
In fact, I still have hisjackets and his vest.
Oh nice and I remember he tookme and my friends out for a ride

(13:08):
like around the neighborhood orwhatever.
But as exhilarating I guess asit was, I never thought that
that was something that I coulddo.
I could never see myself ridingthe you know, powering the bike
myself, riding the you know,powering the bike I could be a
passenger perhaps, but not themain person.
So I think it takes a differentmindset to be in there first.

(13:30):
You know, owning a bike andriding a bike and getting a
license and all of that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
So it almost sounds like it speaks to.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
That's what I was going to say.
It speaks to the person thatyou are, both of you.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yes, but I'm a little bit more like you.
I'm a little bit more like you.
I kind of don't believe that.
Oh, she has been trying foryears to get me on it.
Like I'm talking about years.
She and her husband took me to aparking lot this was a couple
of years ago and they were likeoh, we can teach you it's fine.

(14:02):
I?
This was a couple of years agoand they were like, oh, we can
teach you, it's fine.
I did a loop around the parkinglot and I was like, yep, and
I'm good.
I think I'm good on this.
I don't need to teach anymore.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (14:10):
And then she invited me last year to Bike Week and I
got to see a different side ofwhat happens there, and it was
then that all of that was born.
I was like you know what I cando this?
Wow, it's again still new.
I just got my license becauseI'm going back and forth,

(14:32):
because pain and falling seemslike it's going to be painful.
No, that doesn't sound goodenough.
And the burning on the exhaust?
I tattoos, but not that kind.
So I wrestled with it for along time like I was really
asking myself those questions.
But the more I'm around itbecause I'm called a hang around

(14:55):
right now, so the more I'maround the world and I'm seeing
it and I'm seeing all of thesewonderful ladies on these bikes,
it does.
It kind of just pulls you in.
It like the experience pullsyou in.
It's like a real bondingexperience Us in the house
together, all that.
It is a really beautifulexperience.

(15:16):
So that's pushing me moretowards it.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Yeah, it's a real sisterhood.
I mean, we have another memberin Georgia and she was like I
will never touch bike, I willnever ride a bike, and you can't
get her off of it now, becauseshe's seen the sisterhood and
seen us riding.
You know, you got 10, 15females riding.
It looks really nice and youwant to be a part of that.
Yeah, your pictures lookamazing.

(15:41):
Thank you, so I want to liketell us more about the emotion

(16:05):
of that, when you say thatthere's a sisterhood and when
Tiffany says that that beingaround this convinced her that
this was something for her.
Like if I just walked up and sawyou guys together, what would I
be looking at?
What would be happening?
You'd be looking at realsisters, even though we're not
blood related.
We laugh, we cry, we argue, wefuss, we get on each other's
nerves, but I think it's morethe love, even on the guy's side
.
They're like brothers to us.
There is nothing that theywould not do for us.
We have people that we couldcall outside of family, like I

(16:28):
don't have blood family here,like Tiffany's here, but I don't
have any blood blood family.
But this motorcycle communityis my family.
You can call them for anything.
If I'm broke down somewhere Ican put it out in a community
chat for bikers.
Somebody will be thereimmediately.
Wow.

Speaker 4 (16:49):
It's a different.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
I can't even explain it.
It's so much love.
People think it's like they'regang members.

Speaker 4 (16:56):
It is nothing like that they will protect us,
though they 100% will protect us.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
It is.

Speaker 4 (17:04):
I remember this during the wintertime I had an
electric car and my car shut off.
There's lots of guys in thegroup that are mechanics.
They were like listen, googleit, we'll figure it out.
And they came and fixed the carLike it was nothing, and that's
just genuinely who they are.
They don't want anything inreturn.
It's just that.

(17:25):
It's people that you know youcan depend on at any moment for
anything.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's amazing.
I would run towards that.
That's making me Les.
You think I could do it.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
No.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
You see how quick she shut it down.
Listen, I could do it beforeyou could do it.
I need some new besties wecould ride together on the same
bike.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That we could do.
We would probably be laughingso much that we would crash, it
wouldn't it might not work.
Listen, El Rocka, I'm ridingwith you.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Come on, she probably did last week, I sure did.
Really.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
We got a video of it and everything we need that.
We need that.
Okay, we need that video.
So I don't know a whole lotabout bikes, but you said you
have a cruiser, so does thatmean you have those?
It's kind of like a touringbike or no?
It's not one of those big.
My model is what they call likea sportster.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
So it's still it's you sit up on it.
So sports bikes are more likeleaning forward my bike you're
still sitting up.
Okay it?
It doesn't have like thesaddlebags and some of the other
things like the touring hats.
But it's just more the way it'sdesigned.
It's designed to be morecomfortable.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
Okay, I see, got it, got it, got it, wow, wow.
And what colors are they?
Mine is white.

Speaker 4 (18:55):
right now I call it Big James.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yes, and mine is gray and orange, and I call him
Joseph Jesus Daddy.

Speaker 1 (19:09):
Jesus, daddy, joseph, oh my gosh, yeah, we're going
to need to get a lot of picturesof these things.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Wait, okay, explain, rick James, first Tell us about
that.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
Okay, because you know know, Rick was a little
partial to the white.
He was partial, he was a littlepartial to the white, to the
white women, to the white power,to all of it.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
So, rick James.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Rick James.
He liked the white, he likedthe white.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
That's hilarious.

Speaker 3 (19:39):
And Joseph Jesus' daddy, yes, he had raised Jesus,
he was blessed.
And Joseph Jesus daddy, yes, hehad raised Jesus, he was
blessed, he did All right.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
All right, oh my gosh , I love it.
How does one I have so manyquestions how does one go into
picking a bike Like how do youknow what kind of bikes that you
would like?

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Do you try different types?
Do you test drive?

Speaker 1 (20:05):
different types.

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Once you sit on it, most of the time you'll know it
feels good Wow.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
Rick.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
James was my first bike Really.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
You know what You're killing me here, tiffany?
Rick James wasn't my first, soit wasn't your first bike.
So you're a rather new rider,but yet it was not your first
bike.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
No, because I chose wrong.
What did you have before?
I had a Victory Crossroad.
See, I didn't even have a namefor him or anything.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Right, you weren't committed, I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
I wasn't committed to him, it just didn't feel right.
I took it out on a couple oftest drives, but it just felt
bulky and it just didn't feellike me.
So the bike sat for severalmonths like several months, it
just sat there.
And then finally, I was likeI'm going to sell it and I'm
going to find the bike that isfor me and that's how I got her.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I see, I see Gotcha, gotcha, wow, that's kind of
crazy.

Speaker 3 (21:12):
And El Rocka.
How did you choose your bike?
I always love cruisers.
My first bike I mean not acruise, I'm sorry Cross Rockets.
First bike was a Cross Rocket.
It was too small, it was a 650.
I was tearing that bike up.
I mean I would ride it itcouldn't keep up with me.

(21:32):
So I said I need to get abigger bike.
So I went and got my 13, myhabusa.
I always wanted a busa, so Ihave two of them oh.
Oh wow, and I love my highboozer Wow.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Tiffany, you mentioned El Rocker's husband
and, if or not you're partnered,what do your partners think
about your this passion of yours.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
Oh, I think it's, I think it's bad-ass too.
They like, they like women onbikes.
It's sexy, right, yeah, I thinkit's bad-ass too.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
They like, they like women on bikes.
It's.
It's sexy, Right?
Yeah, I can imagine it is itreally, is it really so?

Speaker 2 (22:10):
okay, all right.
So you love to ride, that'sclear.
But then, larocca, you decidedwell, I want to create a club,
that's a whole nother.
You know, that's not writing,that is creating a community,
that's management, all the stuffmaking paperwork.

(22:33):
Yeah, what took you all the wayto that?

Speaker 3 (22:37):
This being around the Black community, I started
hanging around first, kind oflike Tiffany, just to see what
it was about and seeing thesisterhood, and I'm like okay,
there are other females out herethat like to ride, like me.
So I went ahead and was likeyou know what, let me go ahead
on to start this little club andsee what's going on.

(22:58):
And we had up to about 15 girlsat one time Wow.
And now we're up to about sevengirls at one time Wow.
And now we're up to about sevenand a half waiting on Tiffany.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Right, what do you mean?
Why are you waiting?
She's a hang around.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
So there's rules to this, believe it or not, there's
rules to this thing Politicsand you have to have.
First of all you have to becomfortable and ready to ride,
but then you have to have acertain number of bike miles
with a member of the club beforeyou can like graduate into
other stuff got you, got you.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
Wow.
Is that standard?
Like that's kind of biker bikerclub rules where you have to
yeah, yeah, I guess you got toshow a commitment.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Absolutely, it's definitely a commitment.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
So is fear and danger .
Should those be the firstthings that we think about when
we think about motorcycle riding?
How would you change that?
Why should we not think thatfear and danger should be should
?

Speaker 4 (24:06):
be the first.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
I live on the edge, so I like bungee jumping, I like
things like that.
So to me, when you'll take itup, tiffany, I'm riding with you
.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I'm riding with you.
I'm riding with you.
I'm riding with you.
Fiona, ride with Tiffany.
Never mind.

Speaker 4 (24:33):
Well, my wife.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Wait a minute.
Okay, so go ahead, Elvaca.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
But you're a mother of two.
Yeah, you have two children.
I do, yes, and Lenore two.
Yeah, you have two children Ido yes, and Lenore, I know you
have children also plenty me andmy husband have like a
basketball team oh and what dothey think about this?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
not that you know my 11 year old has a mini bike.
My one year old has a mini bike.
I can't wait to he start ridingmy daughter knows how to ride
my son knows how to ride, soyeah well motorcycle family.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yes, um, I have a son and a daughter and they're both
like um, it's cute, but I thinkit's a little dangerous and
maybe you shouldn't be holdingher Right, right, so I've had to
tell them.
You know again, safety first.
So they made so many jokesabout what they call the

(25:36):
Terminator, all by himselfbecause he had one full metal
jacket.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the chest pad, the helmet and everything,
knee pads, all of it.
I'm not trying to describe thedanger of the metal stuff,

(25:58):
because it happens, it does.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
It happened to me.

Speaker 4 (26:02):
Yes, she put it in a serious accident and still to me
.
Wow, yes, she went in a seriousaccident and still on there,
right.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Really.
Yes, ma'am.
Wow, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I had four accidents.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Really yeah you live on the edge.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah, but you know it's like I get it.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
I understand that different things turn different
people on, and you know, I guessthat wind, that speed or
whatever.
You know, my nephew is a bikerand he's had an accident.
My dad has had a couple ofserious accidents as well.
They didn't stop riding, though, you know.
Yeah, so I understand if it'sin you, this is what you feel

(26:40):
you need to do, or?
You want to do, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Right, right, I can see the exhilaration of it,
though.
I've been a passenger onseveral bikes One we actually
drove from Pennsylvania to NewYork and I was, and I trusted, I
fully trusted the person whowas driving, so I was able to
kind of relax in that, but itwas really like just full, like

(27:08):
the heart just racing, reallyinvigorating, like I could feel
it right now just thinking aboutit.
I could feel that kind ofexcitement of it.
Ooh, god bless you it is veryexciting.
It's freeing Right it is.
Wow, especially in this day andage, anything that we can choose
to do, that feels free, thatfeels like, yes, I'm making this

(27:32):
choice for myself, we're doingthis, this is how I'm showing up
, you know, yeah, I love it.
I love it for you guys, I loveit for you guys.
What would make me, would yousay, I'm a thrill seeker?
I'm not a thrill seeker, really, Les, but I do some things.
Ways that I would never seekyeah, so let's be clear about

(28:01):
that.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
You're an entrepreneur.
I could never even think tohave my own business, to quit a
great job and, just you know, godown that.
I couldn't do it.
I need more security.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
I'm moving abroad.
I'm moving abroad, that's.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Yes, yes, I love that Packing up selling stuff.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Packing up selling stuff.
Packing up selling.
So my house just never been.
Don't speak the language, sookay.
So do you want to re-answer the?

Speaker 1 (28:29):
question.
So your thrills are different.
I'm saying and you know mythrills are different.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But you had that look on your face like oh God, no.

Speaker 4 (28:39):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
I was concerned.
So here's a funny thing that Iwas thinking Like at the time at
my old age I still get hotflashes.
So I was thinking like, what ifI got a hot flash while I was
riding?
I would raise up the visor andjust go faster.
At least it's windy I just likesnatch off the jacket.

(29:04):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Wow.
So has there been ever a timewhen you've second guessed like
maybe this is too much, maybe Ishould stop, and if so, what
made you keep going?

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Older I get, I'm like okay.
Being a part of a club, I cankind of be a member because I've
been a president since the clubwas founded.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
So just to be a member, I wouldn't give up
riding, I don't think I wouldgive that up.

Speaker 3 (29:34):
But I probably give up some of the responsibility of
being the president Okay, okay,got you.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Do you have a succession plan that you're
working on?
No, okay, she's not probablyyou might want to start that it
can?
It can strike.

Speaker 1 (29:52):
I love the girls but the the beauty of what you're
doing.
It's ageless, it seems it'slike you can ride as long as you
have the ability you know, ouroldest member is 70 wow, wow,
wow and she's spicy.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
She's so spicy yeah see, it's never too late now.
It's never too late to live adream it certainly is, do you?

Speaker 1 (30:19):
ride locally, or do you do distances?
We do distances.
Do you ever come to New YorkCity?
We have yes.
Now you have to let me knowwhen you come to New York City
area.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Absolutely, you have to let me know.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
This would be amazing , absolutely.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
So they're going to come up.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
This is between us Anne, We'll talk off camera.
Don't include her.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
What will you do, Les ?
What will you do?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
When they come on up and say, Les, we're in town.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Les, we're in town.
We're in town.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
We would meet, I would take them out, we'd have
dinner or something.
And then Tiffany and I wouldget on the cruiser, the real
seeker over there.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Not so much yes.

Speaker 4 (31:13):
That's what I'm thinking.
I got GPS.
I'll meet y'all.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
I'll be there.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
I would go with with Lenora because of her experience
.
Thank you, I would be like sheain't gonna let nothing happen
to me and she'll know what tohappen when I act the fool and
mean right when I'm supposed toleave, like ejection, there's an
ejector seat.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Leave you on the road .

Speaker 2 (31:42):
I'm gonna go with the experience and the
thrill-seeking experienced onethat is my choice.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
I hear you.
Do you find that car driversrespect you all?

Speaker 3 (31:55):
No, I hear that that's been a problem, it is, so
you must really ride with a lotof anticipatory driving.
Yes, I'm always thinking ahead.
If the car does this, this iswhat I'm going to do.
You have to think ahead anddrive for everybody else.

Speaker 4 (32:13):
They teach you that in the classes too.
You just have to drive foreverybody.
You have to constantly bethinking, thinking, thinking.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
And assume that people are not going to respect
you.
Correct and see you.
Perhaps They'll see you yeah,mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, most of the accidents I've been in.

Speaker 3 (32:31):
it was somebody else's fault because they wasn't
paying attention.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
Oh, Wow, wow, that's a lesson I'm sorry it's gotten
so dark in here respectful, butwe see you well, ang.
Okay, good, tell me a little bitabout what the lessons and
classes are like go ahead,tiffany, you're fresh so it's a
two-day course, um, and you'llgo and it's literally all day

(32:58):
long and you have to come therein your gear.
But they already havemotorcycles there for you to
ride on, so and they're they'rethe little smallest motorcycles,
but I think they do that reallyso that everybody feels
comfortable, because bikes canget really heavy yeah, so
they're all like these 250s, sothey're not going to go super

(33:20):
fast and they're not super heavy, but it gives you all the
things that you need, likelearning how to switch gears, um
, start stops, uh, get switchinggears, all those things like it
.
Just it gives you a good overall.
So for someone who's never beenon a bike, you'll leave knowing
how to ride a bike.
Really in two In two days, twodays.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
I think I would do that, les, I think I would do
that.
Everybody does it fast.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Realistically.
So let me just say that I wentto the class and there were
people there that did not passthey had to do a redo and all of
that, I may have a little extratime.
Yes, because if you take theclass and you pass, you can take
this car with you to the DMV,and then you don't have to do
the actual driving test.
Oh, you have to do the racingtest.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh, wow.
And do you buy a bike before.
When do you buy a bike?

Speaker 4 (34:14):
That was my problem.
I bought a bike before I evenwent to the class.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
That's what I would do.
I was like, oh yep, I'm goingto do it.
Then I I even went to the club.
That's what I would do.
I was like I'm going to do it,then I'd run out and buy a bike.
Yes, Well, Tiffany's veryimpulsive Ding, ding, ding, ding
, ding ding.
Oh, you and me girl.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
That's right so impulsive.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I'm like, yeah, like, I'm like, so like this, this
house is more, I think it was alittle a little.
A little a little True story.
Yeah, wow, Bikes, anything Like.
Yeah, okay, this house is goodand I'm going to get it.
And she's more like well, it'sfine to watch you move around.

(34:53):
I'm like that's cute.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I think that.
Yeah, that's for me already.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
Which is why you held on to the bike and then had to
sell it when it didn't work foryou yes, right which it didn't
take long to sell it like.
Literally it took me maybe aday to get and I had multiple
people trying to come and getthis bike, because it was it was
a really nice bike.
They kept telling me oh my god,you're gonna regret this,
you're, you're gonna want abigger bike and I'm like, first
of all, we don't talk like that.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
First of all, what?
What'd you say?

Speaker 3 (35:25):
I was like we don't talk like that, we're going to
regret it.
We don't talk like that, justsmile.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
It literally was like you're going to regret getting
a smaller bike.
You're going to regret gettinga smaller bike.
You're going to want more powerlater.
What a power.
I see I understand, I'm in itfor the fun, not the facts,
mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Is it an expensive hobby?

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, yes, that was emphatic.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
Because, even that was emphatic yes, because even
going to these events likeliterally just the Myrtle event
alone, because you got to haveyour outfits, you got to pay for
the room, you got to like food,all of this stuff I know
individually we probably spentupwards of about $1,000, $1,500

(36:27):
a piece.
Wow, just to do that, Just togo to events.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
And then you have to have your bike, you have to have
your clothing and yourprotective gear.
And that was just the one event, and there's several events
that you know you go tothroughout the year.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
And all of those events.
Call because you got to get ahotel room Like there's all
these shows.
Tickets, Not to mention themaintenance on the bike.
You know if something happens.
You got to replace tires, paintjobs, Because she just got a
beautifully paint jobCustomizations are expensive.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Yep, I see, I love this, though, I love this listen
it's different strokes fordifferent folks.
The point of it is like there'sso much joy to be had in life.
Choose, choose your thing.
Yes, choose something, step out, Choose something and do it.

(37:21):
Listen, Lenora, this has beenher thing for so many years.
Tiffany is just starting andshe's found this piece of a
sisterhood that is beautiful forher.
There's never like a.
You can't.

(37:42):
There's never like a I don'tknow how to find my joy Like.
Are you trying?
How much are you trying?
People I'm talking to, asLeslie said, I'm talking to our
public right now.

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Find your thing, find your thing, find your people
and do the thing.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
And I'm sure that you hear so many people thinking
you shouldn't be doing this anddon't get on this and don't do
this, don't do this.
I know that that's a buzz inyour ear, it gotta be, you know.
But but yeah, yeah, no, youknow what?

Speaker 4 (38:16):
And I can't speak for for Elle, but I.
What I think makes it worth itis when you see these little
girls, cute little girls, five,six years old and they are in
awe of seeing these women onbikes it happened at a gas
station.
We're all over there, thislittle girl.
She was like just her face litup to see that it's like it

(38:41):
makes them know that there arethings out there that are
possible and they can do thosethings.
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
You know, I don't know if I told you.
I might have told you, Lenora,when I was texting you.
But my brother he's two yearsolder than me, he lives in Texas
and maybe a couple days after Imet you guys, he sent me a text
with a picture.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yes, and he says look , look, look, look.
I just saw at the gas stationthis group of black women bikers
.
It was so inspirational, andthis is my 64 year old brother,
who's inspired by you.

Speaker 4 (39:19):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
You know, what I mean .
So it's the young and the oldyeah, he old.
It's the young and the old thatare inspired, because just to
see again is to see peopleliving free.
Living free is nothing butamazing and inspirational.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Absolutely, and that's why, when Ange met you
guys we she knew and I knew thatyou all were the perfect guests
to come here today to talkabout this joyful part and

(39:56):
corner of your life, that youfound and I see the joy in the
way you speak and how you talkabout this endeavor and the
friendship and it's like, yeah,yeah, we step out and then we
leave the naysayers back thereand wow.

Speaker 2 (40:11):
God bless you, ladies .

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Not one.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
All right.
So how do people learn aboutyour club and when you guys go
out riding and all of that Canyou share it with us?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
Yes, they can go on Instagram to Smoking Jewels.
M-c-s-m-o-k.
Apostrophe N-J-E-W-L.
Apostrophe Z.
Smoking Jewels.

Speaker 4 (40:38):
Yes, and that's on.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Instagram and Facebook.
Our events are up there.
You can follow me on Instagramunder El Raka El Raka, yes, and
that's on Facebook as well.
Okay, we have everything upthere, all types of events where
we'll be car washes, whetherwe're having any charity walks,

(41:01):
fundraisers, anything will be upthere Beautiful, and we'll be
sure to put that information inthe description.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
So check it out.
There.
We'll have links.
And yeah, what do you think,les?

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Thank you so much, ladies, thank you.

Speaker 4 (41:17):
Thank you for having us.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yeah, this is just wonderful and I'll say this has
been another episode of BlackBoomer Besties from Brooklyn,
brooklyn.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Brooklyn.
You're not from Brooklyn.
Honorary, honorary Thank you,I'm with her.
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