51 | Smoky Mountain National Park Disappearances and Mysteries - Black Cat Report | UFOs, Cryptids, True Crime & Paranormal

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It's basically like one day, youwalk outside and you see that
the answer playing with matches.This is my see you on the other

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side. The Great Smoky Mountains.
National Park is full of beauty and amazing animals.
Many many people visit every year.
Excited to go on a long hike to see the views from Clingmans
Dome. See, the waterfalls in Abraham's
fall Trail or the many other famous hiking trails and Views.

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Not many expect to see planes falling from the sky, lose loved
ones, or even get lost themselves, the mountains, hide
many things. And sometimes you don't want to
know what happens in the Deep Woods hollers.
But today, we're going to look into the Mysteries and
disappearances of the Great Smoky Mountain National Park.
I'm your host, Ken Burns. I mean, Joey Lee and hosting

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with me today is bets of a HelloSelina.
Hi and Gil. Allah is Ken Burns.
Okay. He's a famous documentarian,
that's kind of funny. He's a famous documentarian.

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That's like notorious for havinglike really slow boring talking
about not know, subjects and monotonous and everything.
That's why I was doing the voicein the beginning because he
didn't like the famous, if I have.
Even heard of him. His documentaries are really

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really good though. Yeah, he's documentaries are
amazing. That he does.
He super crazy, good research. He's just very Monotone and
everything that happens. Sounds like this.
And then the Civil War and I also did a jazz one.
And I also did these random onesthat nobody expected me to do

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but they're really good. They're really, they're really
great actually the truth behind the Bee Gees.
Yeah. But were they staying alive?
This is looking into the lessons.
We have hmm, that's funny. Yeah.
All right, so let's get going. So the first case that we're

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going to go into is a disappearance.
So let's start off with one of the most famous and most
interesting cases that happen inthe Smokies.
This one starts off with just a normal summer hiking Day on June
14, close to now, 19. 69. Dennis Martin.
His brother, his father, and grandfather went on a hike and

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Katie's Cove to spend Father's Day together Outdoors, which
it's almost Father's Day. So it's all fathers out there.
Happy Father's Day. After a good bit of hiking, the
Martin family took arrests in another family, walked up, the
other family, which coincidentally was also with the

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last name of Martin. So they're just a bunch of
Martin's getting together thing.Yeah, they were just like well,
huh, it's a melding of realitiesif you will with this
coincidence, both Martin families thought.
Hey, let's just, let's just hiketogether.
The sounds good. We haven't we both have kids.
I'm Martin, let's fucking hit this mountain.
Let's be Martin's together. So they had a couple kids both

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sides. Both families had kids so
they're like, hey, this guy's can play together while we walk,
you know, and do this. So there are two different small
versions, small little differences in the story that
really matter. One of them says, basically that
the kids were playing hide and go seek and the other version
said that they were trying to play a prank on the adults.
So I mean they're not really - yeah, 6 and 1/2 half dozen

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together. So they wanted to walk all the
way around in a giant Circle andcome up behind the adults and
scare them. So Dennis, who is the youngest
and the kid in the story decidedto go in a different direction
and he would meet up with the older Boys near the clump of
bushes. So Bill, who is Dennis's, father

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saw his son, walk into the clumpof bushes.
And so, you know, he saw him, he's, like, not far, he's like,
it's okay. Whatever is going on his fine.
I saw him walk there, he's good.So, after they finished the
game, whether it was hide-and-go-seek or scaring, the
adults may be a mixture of both Bill Martin, notice that Dennis
was missing and he was no longerwith the other group of boys.

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Which is probably so scary honestly as a father to as a
parent to be like my kids gone and like just to see him like
maybe five minutes before. So Bill walked to the bushes
where he saw his son go in he walked through it, walked around
it. No sign.
He could not see any sign of Dennis.

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So Bill, obviously, the father was like.
Well, let me talk to you other kids.
The other adults. See, maybe if the kids are like
playing a prank on him or maybe they're playing another game,
maybe they saw him somewhere. Nobody had seen him since they
started the game. Said this moment, this is 1969.

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Okay yep. And at this moment Panic set in
for him because he realized his son was missing.
Not just like off somewhere, he realized he was gone.
So Bill told his grandfather, his dad because the grandfather
was on the hike to he said go down to the ranger station.
Notify them. Tell them Dennis is missing.
We have to like get a handle on this and then he took off and I

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run down the Appalachian Trail. That was crossing They're
camping area and so he's runningaround trying to find them and
within two hours, there was already a huge search and rescue
effort happening. There are hundreds of Park
Rangers sir forestry service, employees and civilian
volunteers. So they rounded all these people
up to look for him very fast. So they got the word out fast.

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The search party was combing, the hills and woods of Katies
Cove, and the trail surrounding them to find Dennis as night
fell, They still had no evidenceof him being anywhere.
What's really sad is the weatherturned bad for the next few
days. It started pouring down raining
and winds kicking up and last car, this is so terrible.

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Yeah. So like David paulides is, you
know, kind of, I guess, most famous for like missing for 11.
That is one of the major things that he points out as always
occurring in terms of like a setof patterns.
Yep. Don't ask me to quote the exact
set of Patterns, but there is a pattern that takes place across

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all these National Park like disappearances.
And one of them is that there's either a major rainstorm
immediately before or immediately afterwards, like
water is always involved in thissomehow.
Normally it takes place near a river.
Yeah, but like, but yeah, literally a massive fucking
rainstorm. Which like an N.
He's very how do you put this? I feel like he's very objective

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about his approach to it and it does kind of point out the fact
that That like well no, like when somebody goes missing, you
know, those first 48 Hours as you know, the show says are so
critical or so, crucial to finding somebody and like rain
inherently pushes people into, you know, just straight up,
pushes them into hiding spots. Yep.

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Like, you're not going to be spotted from an aircraft, if
it's been pouring rain, because you're hiding in a cave, you're
hiding under a log, you're hiding under her Branch, you
know? So that immediately cuts down
the likelihood of you being spotted like Yet Li and like it
just limit again the first 48 orso important because that goes

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from like they're in a one-mile radius to a 20-mile radius.
So we're 60 mile radius and likeevery little you know, craggy
like spot every little Cliff, every little Edge, every little
overhang it just increases the amount of it but still this is
fucking nuts though. Yeah this is one of the most
famous missing persons cases to because it was never You know,

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there's a lot of stuff to happenin this.
So one of the interesting pointsI want to add to this case is
the FBI was called in. That's yeah, that's we'll get
into that. So, also, yeah, the one, the FBI
will not get involved in something unless they think
there's evidence of Foul Play like murder child abduction, or

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something like that, or something is going on crime.
Has to be a federal crime, so the FBI will never look into
these things. They hit the FBI agent was from
the local Tennessee, Knoxville, Tennessee office, which is like
not far from the Smokies within.I think it was two years.
He committed suicide under, Markmysterious circumstances.

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Nobody knew what happened. Nobody knew why and so
suspicious everything that he had on the case was gone.
Well, that's the sus part. Yeah I know there's more stuff
parts coming up to which is thisis just the beginning.
So that's s. Joey make me a sus sandwich.

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This is so weird because so manypeople disappear all the time
like almost every day. Someone disappears.
So yeah for the FBI to be like we're gonna take time on this
random kid disappearing. Yeah.
That's very fucking weird. They don't live too.
Finger. If it's not like some federal
shit or like involved in some, like federal law, missing people

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involved in federal shit, you know, hey at least like in terms
of like there isn't even like a solid motivation that's been
built up yet or like, cases built up and it's just like the,
the point in the investigation where it would reach that level
of we're suspecting you of a federal crime.

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Hasn't been reached it. This is just straight up.
It's a Channel Park. If you do get injured, people go
missing. This is, you know, normal
because so sorry but there's notguardrails everywhere national
parks, you know, like you are out you out here, you know like
him you are on your own if you want to do some dumb shit.
Sorry homie, you know, but like so like yeah, the feds getting

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involved and less like the Martins Were Somehow connected
to look a Coke ring or somethinglike that.
Like, there's no reason why the FED should be involved.
Did Steve Martin behind them like already, you know, like
like they've been watching them already, you know?
Yeah. Yeah which if you haven't looked

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up a photo of Steve Martin in 1969, I'm just, I'm just saying,
check him out in 69. You know what?
That's, that's the end of his, the end of the statement.
But he's some swag. I'm gonna derail this for a
second and say, that my My favorite Steve.
Martin movie is Bowfinger and I know that's not a like a very

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popular movie but it's him and Eddie Murphy.
It's hilarious. Check it out.
If you haven't - my favorite Steve Martin movie is, what is
it called? The jerk.
Oh yeah. I think classic fuck.
Yeah. Yeah.
Steve Martin movie night, let usknow in the The comments for

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this episode if you want sir. Yeah.
Well, videotape, it. So, anyways, getting back on
track here, another weird mystery besides the FBI, which
this also, as well has to do with the FBI.
Is that there was another family, that was traveling in
near the cage behind area, Pink Panther.

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Another going back to the another weird mystery.
Besides the original FBI still has to do with the FBI a little
bit, there was another family that was visiting, the Katie's
Cove area as well. In the same time just little
different area of it. They heard a blood-curdling
scream and saw a in quotations. A hairy rugged, Man running

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uphill away. For them through the trees and
under the brush. Okay?
God, it's Henry zebrowski. So it's crazy.
It's they said it wasn't. It was on two legs.
They said it didn't look like a bear to them obviously because
it wasn't hairy enough, but it didn't look like a real person.

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They said it was like a mixture of the two.
Okay. So Bigfoot.
Pretty much Bigfoot in the so that is the good.
Yeah, alright. Okay.
So, okay, so yeah, But Bigfoot is never had a history of
kidnapping little children. Now, we know I would disagree my
friend depending on the culture that's like, had like Bigfoot,

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Yeti Sasquatch. I'm fucking running out of the
name this point. But, like, depending on the
parts of the world, Bigfoot's are known for having different
temperaments and different Legends Associated to them.
There's Shit. I'm forgetting but there's the
town of Ben Alaska's, just straight-up relocated because of

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violent Bigfoot like that's likeI you just think God damn it.
Victor hit me up on Instagram you know exactly what I'm
talking about. Yep well I mean I guess you have
good foot and bad foot so you got the two sides of neutral
foot to you know so Mmm. Yeah.
So they the B. I asked the family.

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It was like, this was the next day so they didn't know until
about the next day when the reports came out about the boy
going missing. So once they heard that, the,
the other family, they were like, well, this is something
that I think the FBI should knowif they're looking for this kid
and we might have some information on some random maybe
hairy guy running through there.So they called the FBI.

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The FBI said which is a little suspect me.
They didn't want to meet the family at the actual place.
Place where they saw the like, where they saw them so they
could get a view of like, okay, this is maybe where they were
where it was running. This is maybe where it was.
They met halfway in between the FBI and where they were, which

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was interesting. So weird where they stuck in
like a Kia and couldn't make it up the mountain.
So like I don't know what was there because like some of these
roads, y'all know like some of these roads out here like if you
have a tiny car like God or Satan who ever be with you?
Like you ain't making it up thatbitch, right?
So like maybe they were stuck, you know, I have like a low

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profile or something but I've like if they pulled up in like a
fucking Forerunner, some shit, it's like, all right.
There's something sus here. What very sis, so need
information on their suspension.That's what I'm trying to say.
I'm gonna add to this mystery too, because it wasn't just park
rangers. It wasn't just FBI, it wasn't

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just Volunteer people looking for these, the Green Berets were
sent in what the literal. Fuck.
Yes, it's an army. It's a, it's a special
operations unit of, I think it'sthe Army.
Yeah, it's like the Army's version of like the Navy Seals
but they are around them. Fairly certainly failure fairly

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certain before the Navy Seals. Anyways, they're an elite
Special Forces Unit. That's like if you're like, if
you're a Green Beret, like You'll kill the motherfucker
with the end of a spoon, like it's that kind of shit.
Like they're the fucking badasses of badasses.
In the military. Yep.
How we should Chuck? Norris was a green gray.
He wasn't really know. He started, they're not racist.

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Yeah, they're not famous Green. Berets.
They weren't as though this is so wild and yeah like people
disappear all the time. Someone disappearing right now
as we speak in like they don't just like do this, there's no
they don't and especially in 16 in the 60s.

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I don't feel like this would have made as much of a deal and
the the Martin he it didn't seemlike he has the family was like
Anything big to do about it. So the Green Berets they
searched for a while, but there was three particular days that
that stick out the 22nd through the 25th.

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So this is like he was kid. Yeah, yeah, pretty much.
He was kid. He got lost on the 14th.
So we're looking at about 78 days, after them after being
lost everything that the park rangers do and the volunteers
were doing is documented, right?Right.
So they're like, we search this area, we search this area.

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We had a set of volunteer searches are.
It's kind of how it works with the parks government.
They kind of have to document the stuff to make sure that
they're not either searching areas again or maybe something
else happened that they're finding out there.
Hey, just real quick here, they document everything.
But the total number of people that go missing it, pretty much
real fun fact for you. David paulides again, throwing

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it out here. Please come on the show and they
like It was some it was like hundreds of thousands of dollars
when he first started looking into the missing persons cases,
he was like reach out to them and he was like I want, you
know, the access to the files that show how many people go
missing every year national parks.
Again, national parks that's like on the federal level.

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Like every fucking thing is documented.
All right? Like, every goddamn bump in the
road and rock and stone gives documented.
Yep. And they were like, oh sorry, we
don't actually have any compiledlike Accounts of anything like
that and you're like, you literally document.
How many times you go to the like to?
Thank the Outhouse? Yep.
You're seriously. Telling me you don't have how

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many times you've led a rescue party for multiple days.
Yep. Into the woods and have had like
Life Flight fucking flying in. And looking for folks, you've
had like white aircraft and likeplanes and shit like that
searching. You had volunteers coming in and
signing paperwork and doing gridpatterns and you Document?

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How many times a year, that happens.
Hmm. And they're like, yep.
Nope. Sorry.
It's gonna cause some obscene amount of money for us to put
that together, like, it is, I'm sorry, but with the bureaucracy
and red tape that is fucking bullshit.
Like, that is the bulliest. Shit of bully has shit.
Okay, we got a stud bowl over here, and in shitting.

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It's insane. It's and they're just like, we
don't have it unless you pay us.Hundred thousand dollars or just
like, you know, like dr. Evil 1 million dollars like a
fats. Ya think it's so stupid.
So anyways, there's no record ofany of this but somehow the
fucking FBI in the Green Beret are involved.

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Yes. So when the Green Berets were
searching, they said they found two Footprints by the river, by
the river. So like there was a river close
to the area. Wasn't too far away.
They found two Footprints. There was Footprints leading up
to him, but in the river it was especially weird because they
found one footprint that was Shoeless.

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And then the other one had a shoe on this shoe, like,
footprint match, the the shoe style of the up Dennis.
So but when Dennis is Father, looked at the shoe prints to
match them up, he said that the footprint was too big to be his
sons footprint so like it matches the same was it tread on

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the bottom of a shoe. But The shoe print was too big
when they found this. The Green Berets moved to the
other side of the river and started searching.
But there's no logs of anything that they did in those three
days and they wouldn't allow people to search on that side of

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the river. They said, don't worry over here
we're just going to go search. There's nothing to look for
eight black. Doctors come in and they like
lift a box out and they're like,yeah, we don't know what's
happening over there. Like, what the fuck?
Dude, nothing. Yeah, so there is a cool sus sub

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right here. Yeah, it's true.
There is a cool interesting part.
A guy named Tony Stark. A real man named.
Tony Stark donated two helicopters Iron Man.
Donated two helicopters for the search-and-rescue.
Thought that was a cool little nugget or see did yep.
He's in our hearts. I don't know.
You might have to look him up. He was probably like a

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millionaire at the time. Thank you.
Tony starting. Thank you, Robert Downey jr.
But they never besides these twoFootprints.
They never found a single thing.They never found another piece
of clothing. They never found anything
leading to this kid. They never found a body.

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So at in 2014 to end the story on a sad note.
What? Yeah.
Bill died not knowing what happened to his son.
That is so fucked up. That's rough dude.
Oh my God. So this whole time being also

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says, they didn't find anything.There's no answers and 2014
comes and they he just dies. Not knowing.
Yep, that is and like as a fucking like Not, not as a
literal parent. I'm not a parent but like I can
just imagine like if you were a parent like as a parent you

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would feel at least I think I would like so like relieved that
like, there's this like increasing degree of government
like agencies and like, you know, like shit like that coming
in. Like you'd be like, oh, thank
God, the Green. Berets are here at the
notorious. Super Famous Green.

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Berets are Again we're going to find my son like so fucking fast
like holy shit. The fucking FBI's here.
Like, oh my God, my tax dollars are working, you know.
Like you would be able you'd be like, yes.
Like thank you. The fucking big guns are here
because they should be because it's my kid, you know, and then
it just like, oh, we can't talk about that.
Oh, we can't this OB kit and you're like, wait, why are you

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here again? At a point.
It's like if you can't reveal this information like why the
fuck are? You here, like, I'm literally
their parent, like literally their goddamn bear.
You hit the nail on the head because after some of those
times when they were saying, we can't release that information.
He started hating and distrusting all the local

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officials, the park rangers the FBI, because no one would ever,
give him any straight answers, whether they knew it or not,
whether they were hiding something, whether somebody knew
something that was, you know, for his son Because a kid just
won't up and leave and won't just disappear with almost
literally. No evidence of what they're

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happening. There would be if they were
eaten by animals. There would be a struggle.
You would see that it happened, you see blood you'd see Trail
marks. You'd see close, you'd see
something of those. If they were abducted by
somebody they would probably eventually have been found like
nowadays that this is such a famous case that they released
a. I think it was like Even years

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ago they released a or no, it was like 15 years ago, like a
caged picture of the kid just tosee if somebody new, I'm kind of
like they did with the case of that lady that was found in
Asheville. They did the same and nothing
has come of it. And so they just think that the
kid disappeared, nobody really Ever Knows what's happened.

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It's one of the most famous cases and missing for 11 did it.
I think episode on this or Did apart of piece of this.
Wow, I'm so awesome thinking because of everyone that got
involved and maybe a case of like child trafficking that they
knew was on the area. Yeah that's what.

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Yeah it's kind of thinking yeah be good and then you know like
the all those people cover it because everyone's like involve
within that you know I mean likeeven now well last year how they
even slowly Trying to expose like all the government people.

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The rich people that are involving in human and children
like trafficking, you know, so maybe especially back in that
time, you know, it was very like, oh, open within them and
just like all the shadiness thatwas going on.
I mean, that sounds true, but I do want to believe that, the

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last good government officials Sour Park Rangers.
I want to believe that a lot of the government officials.
Are Park Rangers that they're just good people that they're
just there to help that they're there to guide you.
Yeah. We met some, some of our couples
have been their willingness. Yeah, they're all chill and
nice. I'm still gonna stand behind the

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post office. Sorry y'all.
True. True.
The post office people cabs for days, calves, for days fucking
day. As we would have liked models
anymore if it wasn't for the Post Office.
That's true. Yeah.
Nobody else in society walking that far.
You kidding me? Hell no.

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No. That's why they make them wear
those little short shorts. Mmm.
They claim it's for aerodynamicsbut we all know why.
Yeah, their tax dollars at work.That's true.
So getting into the strange disappearances, there was a lot
of disappearances and we're onlygoing to go into that one
because really lot of them thereand that was one of the most

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high-profile ones. So yeah and you know, Happy
Father's Day and all that with for Bill Martin poor guy, Also,
real quick. And this is late in the show
today, the day that we're recording this June 17th is Art
Bells birthday. So happy birthday Art Bell.

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Happy birthday, Art, Bell. Thank you for being the
grandfather of all paranormal, audio radio coverage, everything
that we have descending today isin terms of like different
paranormal podcasts and radio shows.
Shows and stuff like that, we got to give credit to the
grandfather. If there was a Mount Rushmore

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for paranormal commentators Art Bell.
Be right there on the front. All right, so happy birthday Art
Bell from from Beyond the Grave.Hope that it reaches you
brother. Happy birthday to you.
So So apparently in this area there have been 84 planes that

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have gone missing over in the gray Smokey National Park.
Since its Inception of record keeping, which is an in the
1950s, sure. Sis fucking Christ 1940.
Sorry. Yes.
This is a lot of planes in one of many mall area 84, holy
fucking shit and when you when you say go missing, yes you're

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muted. Triangle.
I don't even think it's got those numbers.
Like what the Yeah. So either from now, isn't it?
Like 80. Yeah, that was 80 years ago.
So it's been like one plane a year when they started keeping
track. Yeah.
Wow. Yeah.
So a little over so that's almost the length of flight.

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Yep. But like that's about what 30
years 40 years since four lanes were fucking invented like I
think it what it might be like 1912 1919 some shit like that
Moon first of all like we got a plane made out of balsa, wood
Kitty Hawk. North Carolina, you know like
like that's not planes had only been around for 20 30 years, I

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believe at that point where theystarted keeping records.
And now it's like one a year motherfuckers mustard in my
Mountain. Yeah.
So this one, this record is the is the first one that I've saw
record. So they it was a military plane,
so we'll go into a few military planes that crashed.
Ooh, so in 1946, the only reasonthat there's a reason record of

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this is because it's a military plane before the 50s started.
A B-29 Superfortress piloted by the US Army crashed in the
Smokies. So a B-29 Superfortress is what
it sounds like. It's a freaking huge plane and
these things don't really go down that easy especially when
they're not getting fired at. So literally has Fortress in the

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goddamn name. Yeah, just so it was on its way
from MacDill base to Chicago. And it crashed in the morning.
Sometime around, 2:00 a.m. on June 12.
There is a lot of things that happen in June in here.
So which is around the same day to the year that Dennis went
missing. The weather was, you know,
scattered thunderstorms and rains but not too bad of storms.

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So he yoosh. Yeah.
The plane loss altitude and started skimming the Treetops
somewhere near Clingmans Dome. So Clingmans Dome.
Also a name is, is like sometimes called the UFO of a
The Smokies, which is kind of cool.
I've got a story lined up for Clingmans Dome and yet it is not

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too long ago, but yeah, so it hit the ground.
Both wings were ripped off by the trees and it skidded to a
stop, as its get it to a stop. It just burst into flames.
So, if the people didn't die on impact, they pretty much burned
to death. Oh my God.
Dramatic. Yeah.
So it depends scene out of a movie.

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Lines are gone and then he's like, I'm sliding.
Yeah. Just one more thing left to do.
Yeah. For so when the when the, when
the they got there they basically the fire when the
military had got there to kind of control it, figure it out,
the plane was still on fire, so they got there pretty quickly

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after it crashed. So this wasn't the only military
plane to go down on January, 4th, 1984 and Rf-4c Phantom 2
which is a really, really fast plane.
It's slammed nose, first into the mountain, she's it was said
that the crew was taking aerial photos but it was never said

(31:47):
what they were taking photos of okay.
It just picture. I just picture on the back of
the plane as one of those yellowSixers.
This is student driver wrong. I'm so sorry.
Yeah. Oh my God.

(32:10):
That reminds hard. This product if that's what
sends me to hell. I'm surprised.
Hmm, I was driving in my mom, like, taking out her phone and
taking pictures and stuff. I'm just imagining that the
aerial people were like, wow, this is so pretty here.
Take a picture of me next to themountains.
Yeah, hold on, I can get closer.Jake it is bigger than.

(32:40):
Yeah. We're on episode 51.
At this point. If you haven't learned that we
have a Gallows sense of humor. Hmm.
Well just go back to working outor driving in your car cooking
dinner, whatever you normally dojust tune that part out and just
no on Annie just mac and cheese.No, just go back to episode one
and re-listen to find out our history.
Our hen sense of humor. That's the easiest way.

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Yep. So the student driver crashed
into the monkey? Yes, the wreckage was Strewn
across 20 acres, near snake Den Ridge which is another Trail
area. Another famous Trail area the
plane, hit the ground going 450 miles per hour.
Wow, Okay. In all fairness though it was 2

(33:22):
a.m. so that basically looked like the sky to them because
like we've all been out in theseparks at night, like that.
Like, when you want to talk about Pitch, fucking black right
now. I don't care what the fuck
you're doing. Stop driving, pull over on the
side of the road. Go into the nearest House, break
the door in. If it's locked, go into their

(33:42):
closet kick, all their shoes andshit out of the way.
Close the door and then close your eyes.
That's what it looks. It's like and then now you're
going to need to apologize and you're going to need to make
those people dinner. Whoever the fuck was in the
house. They're probably shocked.
Okay, they probably were just like looking up information on
their 401K this evening. They realize that stock and
Anderson's went down. It's been a hard day and now you

(34:06):
your crazy ass has just broken into their closet and literally
done nothing besides mildly inconvenience them.
I think they would enjoy some Kraft, mac and cheese which this
episode is brought to you by Joey, let's go.
Just make sure you're not in a stand.
Your ground state. If you do that, actually because

(34:26):
you will be killed first. Yeah, three states for this is
an option. Yeah, please don't do that
anyways but you know, we don't want our listeners murdered so
that's not even the only thing weird.
So there's so many civilian plane crashes to as well.
So we're only going to go into afew of, we're not going to go
through all of them because 84 is a lot to go through, a lot of

(34:48):
them really do. Don't have any details because
they literally were just like this radio, I went to the what
is it called? The looked up, the flight
records and the flood, everything from the towers
coming down, and some of them were just like Cessna 474 called
in called in that they were at this position and then nothing

(35:12):
and then like and then found andthen found crashed.
So it was like it's that's kind of how flying is a lot of Back
in the 80s is like they didn't have continuous pings.
They didn't have anything like especially for like small
civilian planes. Yeah, well they did have that
but small civilian planes didn'thave a lot of still don't.
So on November, 24th 1983 a 414 Cessna flying from West Chicago,

(35:38):
to Jackson County Airport and the Smokies crashed about 6,000
feet around 6:30 p.m. so it was blamed on bad weather.
Okay for visibility. Okay, and a drunk pilot.
So I just want to say this, it makes me laugh because I do want

(36:01):
to ask for the most part. Is there a pilot that mostly
isn't drunk in the 80s? It's true.
That's true. Yeah.
Sadly both in the military planecrashed like the other ones both
occupants were killed. Hmm.
Yeah. So report they say like being a

(36:23):
drunk pilot. Sounds kind of fun.
I'm not gonna lie. I know that's not safe.
I know it's not cool but like swerving is like this, doesn't
matter. Thank you know yeah so if there
is we have here You're apparently I mean not super

(36:45):
close by but the the one that's super famous here in Asheville
so it's not Nashville. It's in the Smokies, I'll get to
it. Okay.
Yeah so Reports say that if they'd just been about 150 feet
higher than they were they wouldhave cleared the mountain and
Treetops and been just fine shitdude, this is the plane that if

(37:05):
you're hiking the water Rock knob Trail, you can see the
plane crash because they never removed it.
This is the one Yep. So there's famous photographer,
pictures that are out of this plane crash just in the middle
of the woods. It's this plane.
So, there was one weird thing about this, though.
So looking at the flight log on the aviation safety network

(37:27):
switch, I was looking at for some of these plane crashes, the
plane when it went up, it kept at a relatively high altitude,
for most of the flight. So basically they do stay
ascended and then they stayed there for a while.
As they got over the smoking National Park.
They started doing a sense and descents randomly, so they were
going up, maybe a thousand feet going down, a thousand feet

(37:49):
going up. It's just really Weird because
it's not a normal flight behavior for somebody driving or
even doing, you know, showing people something in the Smoky
Mountains. There's only two people in
there. So I don't think it was a drunk
guy. Just going.
Hey, what's this? Come on Crocker.

(38:10):
He said, I couldn't do it, not throw up, but it I thought we
were going to Denny's. Yeah, so um well, I was just
going to say aye I just looked this up, please look up the
photos of this. This is not at all.
What I expected. I expected.
Like, you know, just like the fuselage, like, that of the

(38:30):
plane. Like, smash into a mountain.
This is like laying in a spot. I'm literally like, it's in the
top ten photos, it's like just like on a hill.
What? People are literally in these
photos, like, walking up to it, it looks like every like
Castaway fucking situation that you've ever seen in your life.
In a movie, where it's just likethe body of the plane is,
Sitting there, it's overgrown with weeds and Vines and shit

(38:53):
like that, like, it's just like on the ground, like, people are
literally getting selfies in front of it because welcome to
the 2000s but like people are just straight up walking up to
it. Yeah.
I just Googled like water Rock. Knob Trail plane crash that's
yeah it's like it's just right there on the ground.

(39:16):
Yep, it's pretty a shit. It says Blue Ridge Parkway so
come to Asheville North Carolinaand then travel to.
Yeah, no water Rock. Yep now I'm true.
Playing grab it all go and checkit out.
Out. Yeah, we should.
Yeah. So totally down looking at it.
I feel like there had to be something else.

(39:37):
Maybe something took control their craft, you know?
Maybe they hit a blip or something like that.
Honestly, there's so many more crashes in this.
Such a small area on August 1956and are Anka trainer stalled out
and crash near Klinsmann. Clingmans Dome luckily though

(39:57):
they're both occupants survived.So this was A good 10 March
1964, a twin engine Beechcraft, crash near Parsons bulb.
Killing six people on board on February 16th, a 1984
single-engine Cherokee. Six plane crashed into Mount
Buckley again, the occupants were lucky and seven people walk

(40:18):
away from the crash and injured so crazy that they walk.
They must not have been super high or maybe the trees, Stop
The Descent. I don't know how that happened.
On December 1st, 1997. A Cessna 182 went down and
killed the only person in the aircraft.
Even just two years ago, a Cessna 441 crash in the smokies
and both people on board were killed this.

(40:39):
Can't however hold a candle to the United Airlines.
Crash in 1964 on July 9th. A four-engine Viscount, flight
number 823. Going from Philadelphia on its
way to Knoxville Tennessee. It exploded in the air.
R and then crashed into the Smokies.
All 39 people on board were killed.

(41:02):
Wow, that's sad. They could only find 32 of them.
They never found the other seven.
Thirty nine people on board wereall killed but they couldn't
find the seven other people. They only found 32 bodies.
Holy shit, dude, it's a for people just like probably flew

(41:24):
away. Yeah.
It's so the wreckage was only throat was thrown across a half
mile area, so it's not a huge area but they could have just
been like, obliterated by the explosion.
Hmm. Affected by aliens that seems
obliterated by the explosion like okay somebody is better

(41:48):
than better at math than me. How many bodies does that mean
were completely totally like obliterated.
Yep by an explosion like there'snot even a hand.
Yep. You know what I'm saying?
Like there's not a foot and likemost notorious I would say, like
of all is like Teeth. Yeah, right.

(42:09):
Step of like When there's terrible, like house, fires and
apartment fires and stuff, like infrastructure, like structure
fires, like, dental records are so important because it's so, so
hard to get up to the temperatures that like, need to
be sustained long enough to actually, like burn to Ash your

(42:30):
teeth, which are supposed to last you, your goddamn life, you
know, like they're hard as fuck,right?
Like the actually burn that longthat they can't be identified.
I do like that old record. That is insane.
I'm sorry, but like that many people where it's just like,
they're not even finding jawbone's.
Yeah, that is nuts. It's crazy.

(42:51):
So that's a weird thing that I thought happened.
That's the last one. We're going to last plane crash.
We're going to go through a to the 84 way too many to even to
look into. So I want to add just going back
to what Gil was saying that he was looking at the photos of the
airplane. And how people are just like,

(43:12):
you know, you can just walk on it and whatever.
And so I went and saw pictures do, and I think this is really
important to say to people that are listening that whenever you
go to visit places like this where there was like an accident
people die. Like sometimes they leave things

(43:34):
there or there's from meanings there, but that doesn't mean
that you should have a photo shoot on it.
Like people died there you know it's not something to go look
and be like oh my God. So cool.
Let's take selfies and let's do a whole photo shoot, you know,
like let's have some respect because people's lives were done
there and they were like parentstheir work daughters.

(43:55):
There were Sons, you know, theirfamilies.
So, just to add that if you go, visit places like that, you
know. Yeah, I straight up like
couldn't agree more like when, and that's the whole, like,
Gallows humor, which I love thatterm.
ERM and I came across heard a while back, but it's just like I
laugh or what kind of bike make jokes about it.
But it's like that. And I don't feel like folks are

(44:18):
rare in this way but like that is how at least four like us.
And especially for me, I can only speak for me on this but
like I like process some very heavy traumatic.
Shit is like making a making a joke about it in order to kind
of like help like cut it down a notch so I can like like

(44:38):
actually like breathe and like Take it in its not actually
disrespect. It's just like I mean I can't
Define disrespect for other folks, but for me, I don't mean
it in the sense of disrespect, it's just like shit's really
heavy shits, really tragic but the entirety of human history is
made of tragedy, right? And like I really do believe in

(45:03):
like respecting the Absurd. Like just like how fucking
ridiculous is it that we have like One of the most
cutting-edge like you know planes are like aircraft that
are flying through it fucking like hundreds and hundreds of
miles an hour and then just like, Boop, like hits a
mountain. Like no combat, nothing crazy
going on. Just like, and like, it's hard

(45:27):
for me to comprehend that but hey, I don't know, but, but yes.
I couldn't agree more like be like, you know, like going and
taking selfie like you wouldn't.Like well actually there's a
famous meme about that. You shouldn't go to somebody's.
And like throw up the Deuces andlike it.
Get a selfie in front of it, youknow, I don't know.

(45:47):
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Like go check out the places, learn some history learn from
it, it's don't do a photo shoot in blog about it and in like you
said, or interesting moment. So going on plane crashes and
missing people. They're not the only things that
happen in the Smokies. But there are many many
hauntings in this area as well. So, we're going to start With

(46:10):
the Rocky Top Village Inn murders and haunting.
The Rocky Top Village, Inn motelin Gatlinburg, Tennessee is
famous for being where Feliz andBoudreaux Bryant wrote the song
Rocky Top. So I know pretty much
everybody's heard this song. If you go to a wedding or if
you're from the south, you've heard Rocky Top.

(46:31):
If you haven't heard the Bluegrass song, it goes like
this. Rocky Top you'll always be home.
Sweet home to me. Good Old Rocky, te Rocky Top,
Tennessee, Rocky Top, Tennessee.So this isn't all it's known for
them sounds like they're kind ofmusic.

(46:54):
Well, it's anybody that went to Tennessee, so this isn't all
it's known for though, is also known for our horribly brutal,
double murder. Wow, of course, so the opposite
ends of the spectrum happen. Of course, on September 13th.

(47:14):
1886 to employees of the hotel were brutally stabbed and shot
to death dams. It's a great right security
guard, Troy Valentine and night clerk, Melissa Hill.
Their bodies were stashed in room one after they were
murdered which is very interesting.
By the way, you won't find the rooms because it's actually

(47:37):
closed down now but it is a goodplace to go for paranormal
hunting. For the most part, it seems like
it was a basic motive of robbery, but the for
perpetrators, there's four of them only stole $413.
So, A local Maniac in quotationsManiac named tattoo, Eddie three

(48:00):
other people were arrested for their crimes.
I'm sorry, but we go into this. I want to ask what kind of
tattoos this guy had to get the name tattoo.
Eddie, I can only picture Ed Eddand Eddy and their life of crime
after filming their little cartoon show, Tattoo Eddie.

(48:26):
Yeah, I honestly have no idea where he got this name.
So, maybe in 1986 tattoo Eddie, they the he had one tattoo in
Tennessee and they were just like this, dude's the tattoo
dude, I don't know. So he actually when he went to
jail they did an IQ test on tattoo Eddie and they found out

(48:48):
that he had an IQ of 70. Okay?
Wow that is that is way below. What is considered average,
which is Is around 100 then. Yeah.
So like he's tattoo Eddie is an evil tattooed Forrest Gump.
Basically I would say like that.I think that explains it in pop

(49:10):
culture since has the best. Maybe Joey.
Maybe you got some, some gems you drop in here.
He's he's he just, it was just very sad because he probably
didn't didn't know better. I'm not dropping any gems today
just sadness. All right.
Joey. So we got an evil Forrest Gump

(49:30):
on the loose now. So this prevented him from being
put to death because in Tennessee, obviously in a lot of
other states, if your IQ is under I think under a certain
amount they don't put you to death because I think that the
way that they describe it is that you don't know any better.

(49:51):
And you kind of have might have a brain impairment that stops
you from that part of your brainworking.
This a murder is not correct or the the crime.
You community said that, they would like fish and if they
needed extra gills added to the body. hey but what kind of smart
man but he knew what love is what how do they do this like

(50:14):
it, do they give them a quiz or test okay but what if they're
faking it and I think those quizzes are guilty I'm sure that
I mean, that could that could bea thing to that says, you know,
maybe they want to go to a different plate or maybe they
just don't be killed. I don't know.

(50:35):
But I feel like if you're a murderer, most murderers.
Don't want to be called dumb. Most murder is want to be have
that like psychological thing tobe like I want to be a G.
I'm a genius. I'm smarter than everybody else.
They have that is it called? You can be smart enough to know
that you should fake the test soyou don't go to jail for Or

(50:56):
that, you know, like if it was me I would totally fake it and
write the wrong space tips for the week.
If you're a murderer out there, fake the test, I don't want to
rule anymore, bribe on iTunes Spotify, and wherever you get
your podcast for more tips to help you with your upcoming

(51:17):
crime. Don't tell the pigs.
Yes. Don't tell anybody.
So think it's so dumb. Yeah, I know.
But I think it's a, I don't know, I think it's a good rule
in some ways but obviously, any any law that's put into place,
is going to have red tape. It's going to have people that
figure out ways and take advantage of it.

(51:37):
That's when I came to new derailing to the point that
we're falling off the canyon real quick.
I do and this is something I need to look into who is in
charge of running the IQ test. And and and people who like, how
do I put this? If your IQ was, you know,

(52:00):
Einstein level 120, 130, 140, whatever it is, right?
I know it's like up in the 2030s, 40 somewhere around
there, right? And you were in charge of making
the IQ test, that makes sense because it's like, your way the
fuck up on the Mount Everest of brain matter.
And you're like being like, well, did they walk up that
trail know they're an idiot, youknow, like, you're like way.

(52:21):
A up on top. But if your IQ is that like 101
and you're like, literally, one point above average are you
like? Well, that would be really smart
to think of. I'm going to put that down on
the paper real quick. Oh shit, huh?
A be witty as fuck. Im gonna put that down.
Like, who is making this? That's what I do wanna
understand. But sorry.

(52:44):
Yeah. Are you saying that people that
make really good puns or average?
No, I'm saying that they Define.Intellectual qualifications,
okay. That's how it is with
everything, like the people fromthe Olympics, like the judges,
see, you know, it's like, okay, like you're not an athlete but

(53:07):
you're judging the athletes thatpeople that go on, like, all
these things, you know, like judges are always like random
people like are not within that,you know, like they barely for
Miss Universe. You know, that people that were
judging Miss Universe like they're ugly as fuck.
Ugh, they're not even smart. Now they barely started to ask

(53:30):
lost three subscribers on Spotify.
I wash the numbers go down. Three of our subscribers were
Miss Universe, like judgers and I kind of wanted to hit them up
someday. Thank you.
That's the bay for doing this. So they like people that judge

(53:52):
things. Yeah, are not even the right
people to be judge. So I'm going to play conductor
on this and I'm going to get ourtrain right back on track.
So the place that these two people were murdered was
actually, the satellite office and not attached to the hotel.
So it's across the street from the hotel.

(54:13):
And this was a little thing that, like, at night, it would
make it easier for check inconvenience and checking out.
So, you didn't have to go in themain hotel.
Is just a little easier as you're on your way out.
So people who work there before it closed, and people who
visited said that at night, screams and pleas for Mercy can
be heard echoing through the otherwise, quiet part of the

(54:34):
complex. It was also said that Melissa,
he'll Escape The Killers if not for, but a brief moment and ran
outside to the Courtyard where the fountain was.
Wow, some people said that, theysee a woman's disembodied legs.
During from the Waist down, running around the waist down,

(54:59):
from the waist, down holds us toghosts.
It's an apparition. So from the West, a part that's
visible is the waist. So the hips down are the only
part that's visible. So, literally, it's just two
legs running to the Fountain. Is that right?
Pretty much. Yep.

(55:20):
Running around the mountain. Yep.
Yeah, that's even creepier than seeing a full-bodied Apparition
coming to you. That's just, yeah, yeah, I would
be like, I'm done by so, sadly, like I said earlier, the motel
was closed down but I do think that they are open for
paranormal visitors. So if people wanted Cemetery to

(55:43):
Lake oriented episode and while I don't fancy myself a like,
man, I'm here for it. Like, I respect that.
I'm just saying from MIT. Wait what?
Is she a male woman? But she's delivering mail inside
of the postal clothes of the United States.
How nice were these legs right back Return to Sender.

(56:07):
All right, let's go. Where are we?
Yep. Yep, yep.
So there is a lot of hauntings that happen.
Fontana Lake is another one of the areas in this place.
I did some research into it, there's so many Cherokee
Legends. There's so many regular.
Like a just people who live there.

(56:29):
The Europeans that came over here they Tennessee, Valley
Authority basically drowned out the homes.
In the areas, around Fontana Lake.
Oh, there's a whole bunch of ghost stories around there, and
I've just people leaving their homes, not wanting to leave
their homes, because basically, the Tennessee, Valley Authority
was like, Hey, we're going to dothis where the national

(56:50):
government, you can't stop us. We'll give you some money for
your house. But it's not going to be close
to it just like they do with highways.
We're going to give you some money for your house, but it's
not close to market value, you should leave or else.
We're just going to make your life a living hell, and we're
just going to drown your house. So a lot of people were pissed
about it. A lot of ghosts and haunted
houses from there. Again, there's a what yearly and

(57:12):
of them. What year is this?
Your decade. Tennessee Valley that we're
well, did this accident? Probably in.
I want to know if this is O Brother.
Where Art Thou like territory. I don't know that, I don't know
the actual on the gamut our leadresearcher Joey.
Come on Daria. I'm just kidding.
It was. Yeah, it was just a passel O

(57:34):
Brother, Where Art Thou type of situation, right?
So there's like a cow that's floating or very much so like
underwater, and there's a very much, so yeah.
It was around that time though, because Tennessee, Valley
Authority for some history. Tennessee, Valley Authority was
too, which is kind of used back.It's now, Tennessee.

(57:54):
Valley Authority was to make sure that all homes had
electricity. So, basically, Electrical
Company would not want to go into those, like, the hollers
the areas that have like maybe three to four homes, where
there's not many people around. And I know you're laughing but
I'm going to do you listen real quick.
But they would the government basically said that all houses
have to be connected to the electrical grid and that was the

(58:17):
only way to make sure that electrical companies would power
those houses. Now, when people want to use Use
their want to get off the electrical grid.
They can't because the TennesseeValley Authority law is used in
Reverse. Now, people have to have it so
they can't just only have solar panels.
Okay, so sorry I'm coming in. I'm coming in hot.

(58:41):
All right, so so the episode about the a theory in origin
theory around the Flat Earth where we had the the Watchers
the over Keepers Guardians. Who would like wait a second?
We know how to convince them that nothing's fucking going on
bro or not. Let them know about anything

(59:03):
going on, but I just never letting them know that many
things going on, that's our secret.
So the Tennessee Valley Authority, so make sense in a
moment. Just just ride with me on this,
put your seatbelt on. So the Tennessee Valley
Authority said, we only have enough potential electricity to
give that it to give to All of the homes of Tennessee.

(59:26):
What do we do? We destroy half of the homes in
Tennessee and now, it looks likeit's just policy.
Now, it looks like it's normal. We flood the hollers, we flood
the fucking valleys. We get rid of these
motherfuckers that are making itdifficult for us to get electric
to. And then we give everybody

(59:46):
Electric God Evil Genius Brilliance right there.
All right, TVA. You got - let's go.
Yep. Yep, before we get into some
Cherokee Legends on this, I wantto go into some more
otherworldly stories. Not only is the Smokies home for
crazy. Disappearances, plane, crashes,

(01:00:08):
and hauntings dr. Gill of DeVry University is here
to go over the UFOs of the Smokies are first one because
it's been It's been here for a minute in terms of us going
through this tonight. So we have Clingmans Dome and
this would have been Circa 2001.February 12 2001.

(01:00:34):
Very fast. Bright metallic silver,
rectangles spotted was pursued by military style Jets and this
is all coming from new Fork. The I forgot the acronym
organization. The craft was a bright.
Metallic silver rectangle with alternating dark panels along
the side. It was viewed first at a

(01:00:56):
distance of about 500 feet over some Tree Tops.
Then in the sky, as it was pursued by three military.
Style, Jets. The craft left.
No Trail and made no sound that we could hear from our vantage
point. It was quiet fast and noticeably
faster than the Jets. Now, this whole thing was one

(01:01:16):
minute long. So, basically, what these folks,
if you're not used to reading UFO databases.
So if you go to like move van ornew Fork, right?
You can read through databases of like events and locations and
shape and type in all these different things.
Lee what they just explained here was these folks that were

(01:01:37):
near Klinsmann and Clingmans Dome straight up saw three
fighter jets chasing a goddamn UFO across the mountains for
about one minute as fucking nuts, right?
Yeah, we basically saw an Independence Day of Will Smith
day. You take my wife's name out of
your mouth just like flying by you and caught a half since we

(01:02:00):
didn't know at the time we didn't know April.
A third 2008. Townsend.
Probably sped that wrong and Maryville probably said that
wrong. There's like a why that I don't
expect in it. Somewhere duration was 20
minutes long characteristics. The object left a trail.

(01:02:24):
Do you object landed? There were aircraft in the
vicinity or aircraft chasing theobject.
Title of the piece UFO shot downover, Smoky Mountains, the body
of the report. Hmm.
I didn't see the actual wreckage, but I was able to see.

(01:02:47):
And photograph, what appears to be a UFO that was shot down.
You can visibly see a Trail of Two fighter jets and then a
third Long Trail heading straight for For the ground with
a trail of black smoke that didn't dissipate for 20 to 30

(01:03:10):
minutes. There was a fire at ground
level, we witnessed this from a look-out point in the Smoky
Mountains where you can Overlookthe whole city, y'all if you
haven't seen this area, this is very common.
There's so many spots you can pull off on the side of the road
and just view a beautiful Lookout.
There were no news reports of crashed or shot down aircraft

(01:03:35):
and it had to be something smalland not a commercial flight.
I have video in Brackets or quality.
Again, this is, you know, 2008 and even better photo evidence
to show you. But again, not actual evidence
of the wreckage, This was somebody going to new Fork at

(01:03:59):
probably fucking like to in the goddamn morning actually.
Yeah, it was twenty one, twenty one hundred is when they
reported it. So that would have been 8:00
9:00 I believe at night 9. So like at 9:47, they were
reporting this. Not too long after it happened

(01:04:19):
and they were go on new for can read this.
They were submitting this and they were like, hey do any of
your researchers? Want to come out to my location
or give me a call or email me? This is what I've seen.
That's that's what all these reports are, that's fucking
nuts. All right, I'm sorry but that's
fucking insane dude. Yeah, a lot of this stuff

(01:04:41):
already. All the UFOs in the area, all
this, all the disappearances, all that is adding into what I
think, creates some of the legends of the Smokey and the
smokies and such the details that everything's going on.
So there are so many Cherokee legends from this area obviously
because a lot of the Cherokees settled this area and lived in

(01:05:03):
there so long. So, one Haunting of the many in
the Smokies is called the legendof ghost of Blowing Rock.
So, this is actually kind of a sweet story.
There was a Cherokee Brave and aChickasaw woman fell in love,
but they were forbade to marry due to the differing tribes.

(01:05:26):
So yeah. Yeah.
And while they're both looking off the rock face, the brave
decided to jump off because he was very saddened and couldn't
marry the woman. He loved.
So as The Story Goes, Goes. He was picked back up by the
wind and thrown back into his lovers off.
Oh God. It's so beautiful.

(01:05:49):
Yeah. So The Apparition that you can
see that's been said to have been seen, there is the Cherokee
Brave jumping off and sweeping back up.
Hmm. So that is one of the cute
little Apparition Legends. That's happened from there.
So, right. I know I find it very sweet.
So I just wanted to add that in there with our, you know,

(01:06:10):
mysteries of Darkness so If our so the next Cherokee legend is
one that's basically made out ofnight.
Hell yes I would say it's FreddyKrueger on steroids, the
creature or rather her creature named in.
We call it spear finger what. But her name and Cherokee spear

(01:06:35):
finger. So her name and Cherokee is I'm
sorry if I messed this up its Hoots loot Santa I think it is
how you say it and I don't know.It basically Loosely translates
to, she had it sharp, oh, which is kind of a crazy name.

(01:06:55):
So the name is because of her forefinger on her, right?
Hand is basically very sharp andit resembles a spear, spear
finger, She Was Made of Stone and her only weakness was her
heart was in her right hand. So she always kept it clutched
at all sanity. This is it a very that's very

(01:07:18):
interesting Legend here. The Cherokee as she walked it
would sound like Rolling Thunderbecause she was, you know, her
body was encased in stone. So it would just be rubbing
against her and against the ground.
That's intense. Yep, it's scary.
So see what hunt? Cherokee children?

(01:07:39):
She would hunt. Cherokee children and she was a
master at disguising, her, the tree.
So Dandy lion, kills Bush. Yeah, I'm sure you again.
She would only hide as the relatives of the family members
that my relative is a tree. I'm a bush.
I'm a sick, but also relative. All right, so if she killed your

(01:08:04):
brother, Are your friend? She could mimic their family,
and then lure more chases way. So, this is the skinwalker in a
Ghillie suit. Like this is literally a
skinwalker in a Ghillie suit. That's my vibe right now.
The only thing she couldn't hidewas her spear finger so she

(01:08:26):
would just basically be the sameperson but with the spear finger
and so she would hide the fingerin her cloak so you wouldn't see
it. You just be like Like oh, she's
just got her hand close to her chest.
Okay. So so this, this is very
fascinating and this comes across in a lot of different
cultures from all over the fucking planet.

(01:08:46):
And I'm talking about when I'm saying a lot of different
cultures I'm talking about, findsome deep deep deep shit where
it's like, go to another country, go to another
continent, another region of theworld, dig back about thousand
years or more. And read what they say, right?
Whoever they are that wrote, that text doesn't matter if it's

(01:09:06):
India, if it's North Africa, andright there, like a like,
essentially quote-unquote, like Arabian lands, right?
Or like go down into Africa and like, reading to, that going to
South America, doesn't matter where you go.
There is this phenomenon, which I find absolutely fucking
fascinating, where it's, they can mimic whatever the the

(01:09:28):
nefarious spirit is. The Apparition, they can mimic
everything to the fucking tea. You will be 100% convinced, but
if you look at one part of the body, there's a dead giveaway
every fucking time. So like my immediate thought,
when you said that was the Jin, right?

(01:09:48):
So like when you go into like and when you go into Islam Jin,
100% fucking real, Lincoln Islam, just as much as with
Christians, Angels, or fucking real.
Real right. Demons are fucking, the devil is
fucking real in Christianity. The Jinn who were created before
human beings, by a law, like, came down to the planet and they

(01:10:12):
have such a fucking fascinating.And like, frankly, we've been
cut off from the world of like the mythology, the folklore, the
beliefs and it really should be understood as beliefs.
I wouldn't want to bastardize itas calling it folklore, right?
Because it is 100% real. Hmm, to a large portion of the
population on this planet. So like the gin one way to

(01:10:37):
recognize the Gin, sorry it is slowly, get back to.
This is their feet will be backwards that is like across
the board and like gin mythologyis like, literally everything.
It could be a beautiful woman trying to seduce you and trying
to gotta gotta, gotta what I call these fucking things, but
you look down and straight up their Feet are backwards on

(01:11:01):
their legs. Like that's what that shit
reminds me of when you just saidit is like everything but the
spear finger on the fucking you know just like coming across fit
like yeah but like I fucking can't get over the fact that
it's so horrifying. If the time period that fucks
with me is that in the same timeperiod.
This was commonplace and understood all across the

(01:11:24):
planet. Regardless of communication,
everybody identified one fuckingthing.
NG in this quote unquote, like asupernatural type of experience
where it's like, look for this one thing, it'll protect you
like look for this one fucking thing that's going to be
reversed or backwards or will stand out.
It will protect you. That's all that's all I gotta

(01:11:46):
say. Sorry Joe I had to go on that.
Ran it fucking yeah. Blew my mind, it's okay.
So that is horrifying Celine. It is completely horrifying.
I just like, imagine like Because I watched so many horror
movies like that moment when yourealize that something is wrong

(01:12:08):
and you're looking down at theirfeet and you can just feel that
they're still looking at you andnow they know that, you know
hmm. And with like, like too late
boy. I would be like this information
is not helping me. If I never noticed this, like,
you know, I probably still woulddie, but I would be less
terrified. Speaking of that, she, she would

(01:12:34):
hide her spear finger in her Claire, right?
So as she walked closer and you began to trust her thinking that
she was member of your family, she get just close enough.
And by the time you realized shewould pull out her spear finger
and stab you through the heart or the neck, which is very
interesting. But she only took your liver.

(01:12:55):
Okay? Okay, so she's sold them.
There would be nope. Yes, there would be no pain or
any visible scar, you would you,but you would die in between one
to three days later. Obviously, due to not having a
liver, that'll do it most most times.
Yeah, so in the Cherokee legend,she was eventually shot in the

(01:13:20):
heart by chunky Warriors. And so to ended spear finger or
Punta Punta nailed it. I think is Is actually how you
say? Yep.
So yeah, that honestly, that haunts my dreams more than some
of the other episodes we've donejust to seeing that come in the
woods just as big rock, like thing with the as your family

(01:13:42):
coming through, just being like,oh, hi.
So there's some truly strange things about the Smokies.
So, there is even a rock that isolder than when the Cherokee
Indians settled. The area it's a large soapstone
Boulder and they call it Judah. A cool Iraq judaculla judaculla
Rock, I think. Yeah, it is actually not too far

(01:14:04):
from us and Sylva. North Carolina.
What's weird about this Boulder is it's covered with weird marks
and pictures that are believed to be thousands of years old.
The reason for the name is because the Cherokee have a
legend that the markings were done by a slant-eyed giant.
Who had 7 fingers on each hand, the Giants name was judaculla

(01:14:27):
and he would could leap from onemountain to the other and create
different weather phenomena as he pleased.
Some people also believe that this rock is used for cult-like
initiations or Gatherings or something like that.
But obviously people make this kind of thing of all the time.
I just think it's interesting that it on Honestly predates the
Cherokee living here in predates, predates.

(01:14:48):
Most people thinking of who was living here in the area, with
different markings and paintingsThis is pretty cool, but I still
do. Another Cherokee legend around
the area and this is kind of interesting because it just

(01:15:12):
reminds me of, uh, Gerald token.So another Cherokee legend is
called the unit. We soon D.
Sorry, if I'm murdering the Cherokee language but which
roughly translates to little people.
I would say maybe Hobbits. But as we'll see they do a bit
more than just eat tasty food, smoke, pipes, and hide and

(01:15:34):
Hobbit holes and generally try to Void any and all Adventures.
Say first row. First select few, these little
people are described as being from the Ethereal plane.
Which is a very interesting concept that the Cherokee also
have as well that there's an ethereal plane.
They're considered a small and they are human like race of
people about two to four feet high.

(01:15:57):
Some have some legends from the Cherokee there's much different
small legends about how they they came.
Had that they came down and small flying silver discs.
Hmm aliens. Anyone Tesla drivers anyone.
Yeah. We do know, Tesla's can go back

(01:16:18):
in time. A little guys from the Mojave
Desert. They could be that it could all
be connected. It is all connected.
Is yeah. They're particularly helpful at
finding lost clothes, or any kind of Articles or things that,

(01:16:38):
you know, maybe you've lost and you can basically bribe them
with food and dreaming that Sounds like Mike is, literally
me. Yeah, pretty much.
And I think it kind of loosely connects to the folk tales of
leprechauns as well, because that's the kind of similar idea
of the folktale. So I kind of you kind of see how

(01:16:59):
a lot of these folklores even around places that aren't
connected still have very similar, you know, maybe
different Origins, but very similar characters, very similar
backgrounds happening to them. So it is kind of interesting
just to see the different Legends like, Like you said,
with the pigeon with the and with the gin.

(01:17:21):
Yeah. You know, they all have similar.
Yeah, dude. I'm so glad that you stumbled
across this in your own like independent research, like
coming up with this episode looking into.
This is like now we can look at these commonalities across
cultures across languages right across like borders and we can
say that it's internet inspired.Right?

(01:17:43):
We can look at like a one to twomonth Gap and be like well you
know entrance it got translated from English to Spanish that it
out about, you know, or vice versa doesn't matter.
But what is fucking fascinating to me?
And I have a few theories on this.
We might dig into it at some point in the show and one of our
episodes. But what is fascinating to me.

(01:18:06):
And this this this carries on with like the theories around.
Why did people start developing peers?
It's at the same time. Right.
Not just because it's like a convenient form of structure.
But like, is there a trail of evolutionary intellectual growth

(01:18:28):
that you can track independentlyacross history across, you know,
isolated tribes, and Geo regionsand all his shit like that like,
into these different concepts and does it transfer into
folklore and mythology, Are theyexplaining a type of paranormal
phenomenon that is also evolvingnext to them?

(01:18:54):
Because like I don't we speak ofparanormal in the sense of like
everything being static. It was the same UFOs 3,000 years
ago, talking to the Egyptians, and the Mayans, and the folks
that were in like Central Valleyregion and like, Ohio and Dada
Dada Dada. Look on down the line.
It's always the same. It's always the same.
But is there a chance especiallyfor looking at different

(01:19:17):
dimensions different planes? Well, they would be subject
theoretically to the same distance in time, whatever.
That would be. They would also be subject to
Evolution. So was whatever demonic beings
or or a nefarious or jokester type of like entities that were
like existing out in the woods everywhere across the planet a

(01:19:41):
few thousand years ago. Did they all have one finger
that reveal them? And that did they all have
backwards feet? Did they all have backwards
hands that they all have to, like, was this a common trait at
the time because like what we were looking at when we look
back as I guess in a sense of like, modern-day like folklorist
or at least like dipping into itis we're looking at origin

(01:20:04):
stories and folklore, that 100% were not contaminated with each
other. Like, the Cherokee were not
being influenced. By like Islam at the time that
these stories were recorded, they were would not a doll being
influenced but there's this hardconnection between the two that

(01:20:24):
they were that as human beings they were trying to witness and
explain. And like the shit happens.
Regardless of continent. Regardless of, I don't know the
shit. Yeah, I'm about to take my pants
off for this dish. Passing is so fucking excited,
like it's so fucking fascinatingright?
When it says, his massive connection across Consciousness,

(01:20:46):
nothing that's like, quote unquote.
Like spurring it on that we understand today but we're still
questioning God, my fucking paranormal.
Boehner is so hard right now. God damn.
Had to say it. So before he does that, I want
to say all of these disappearances hauntings

(01:21:08):
Mysteries Legends and crashes, has me thinking just like talked
about that there. This just isn't an area where
people go to hike and enjoy nature.
I think it's a true flap of the mysterious.
Like we talked about it can't bea coincidence that all these
things happen in appear around the same time.
Same area. Maybe could be a place where,

(01:21:31):
like, they say with the Alaskan triangle or the Remuda triangle.
The veil between realities are worlds is as slight, it's very
light, so maybe things can crossover like Bigfoot, which we
haven't even got into the stories of Bigfoot in the
Smokies, or maybe UFOs may be people from other worlds and
realities. Maybe we aren't living here on
our own and the cave systems beneath the Smokies, which we

(01:21:54):
all know about and heard about the cave systems beneath.
A lot of the national parks beneath the mountains and
everywhere. Smoky things that aren't known
or even meant to be known by man.
This episode hasn't even scratched the surface and all
the known disappearances in the Smokies.
It hasn't scratched the surface on all the hauntings in the
area. Heck, the legends of Cherokee
are scribed out in many many books that, you know, we tried

(01:22:19):
to describe them in a short formway.
It's a very hard to do, but if you really, you need to really
look into these things because the the folklore, the Cherokee
Legends, and You know what they pass down is amazing.
It's really awesome to read about learn about, I want to say
that. If you want to find more, please
check out the national parks. Mysteries and disappearances

(01:22:40):
volume 1, the Great Smoky Mountain National Park, which
provided us with the basis. For all the research today that
I went and, you know, cross reference with online research.
Has it's a great introduction toall we talked about here and
more. So it's great way to start the
conversation on why everything'shappened in the small area.
Could it be that we are just paranoid and make up Legends and

(01:23:01):
dream up things that we think could happen or we may be close
to the real truth that our worldand the national parks in it or
portal to some higher or even lower whelmed.
Maybe we'll see when we walk through together.
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