52 | Paul John Knowles: The Casanova Killer - Black Cat Report | UFOs, Cryptids, True Crime & Paranormal

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side. You stare into the rearview
mirror and fix it to look onto your face, you can feel your
hair, blowing in the wind, as you leave behind you, a trail of
bodies. Almost a country long.
You put on free bird. As you feel like you're the
freest man on Earth. No jail can hold you and no

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woman can pin you down or man for that matter.
You keep driving the byways of the u.s. to find your next
victim. You move the mirror back into
place. Drop down your aviator
sunglasses and put the pedal down.
Down. It's time to delve into the sexy
serial killer or better known asthe Casanova killer.
Paul. George.

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I kind of looks like a mix of a young Robert Redford.
I don't know who that is. Wait, he's just a mix of
himself. He's just a mix of rock jabber.
Run relford. Once again, isn't he just young
Robert, Redford of that point. He's young, Robert Redford, they
said in the book they said he looked like a mix between
somebody else but I can't remember the name for now.

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So yeah, what was he in? Robert Redford.
Yeah, I don't know the name right off my hand.
All right, everybody. Google Picture buffer rhetoric
is he's so dreamy. Mmm Butch Cassidy and the
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The Horse Whisperer The Way We Were The Last Castle.
The natural, All the President'sMen, the, the original Great
Gatsby and 1974. Okay?
Yeah. When he was young, he was
good-looking. Yeah, I looked it up.
It was like this old guy like yaknow he used to define dime.

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That's a big me. And then I saw this old guy.
Eh well not to be me but he didn't really teach well no you
definitely didn't. He looks nothing like what you
used to yeah. Probably because he's white.
It's true. Well welcome to the black cat

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But it's all right. Well, let's get into it.
It's not a Melting Pot. It's more of a barrel full of
lime. Yeah.

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Yes, we're professional got jokes today.
We are professionals. So let's get into guys.
Yeah, that's Paul John Knowles. Paul John Knowles was born on
April 17th, 1946 and Alando Florida.
Okay, Florida April baby. Yep, he's a aires.

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Yep. And he grew up in Jacksonville.
Oh, see that explains a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because if you look at the history of through Killers, it,
I don't know. I've never heard about areas
serial killer, because we're thebest and we're usually like
Barry. Level-headed and we can control
our feelings. The thing I think about that is

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the Astrology is very general and it like, it could be anybody
at any point, every single one of them.
They're just very general traits.
Paul. John Knowles was born on April
17th, 1946 and Orlando, Florida,and grew up in Jacksonville,

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Florida. His parents were Thomas
Jefferson Knowles, and Bonnie Knowles.
That's like the other day. I was telling Gil.
I have a friend from high schooland her boyfriends.
Name is Jesus and they were on atrip.
And she like screenshot his postof him, holding his plane ticket
with his full name on it. And his name is Jesus Christ.

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And how many times? Yeah, it's like, just like Jesus
Christ. Yes, you shall not take my name
in vain. Jesus H Christ.
Oh, my middle. Name is Harry.
So, Paul grew up with six siblings, and a very small house

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with very few rooms and an outhouse.
This is 1946. They have running water at this
time, but they had an outhouse according to Paul's brother,
their father, abused. All of the kids, of course, he
would beat them until they're black and blue much like other
serial killers. Killers Like Richard Ramirez.

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He was committing crimes at a very very young age at the age
of seven. He was stealing bikes.
I mean, you know that in a way if it's other kids bikes it's
kind of like a it's not horriblething because kids do this kind
of stuff all the time, but he was doing other small crimes at
the time as well. My neighborhood, Who Stole My
Bike. I took it but you didn't turn

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into a serial killer stories a girl and stone.
So he was, he was also really well liked by the other boys
around the school because he wasBrash and he would stand up to
other adults. So, throughout his teen years,
he was committing a lot of breaking and entering and grand

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larceny. So he was he started off.
A small but he just kept going. Well he's like me in high
school. Yeah, you Maniacs.
You guys, you guys weren't too far away from each?

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Well I guess it was a little older.
Yep. Well, instead of trying to help
their son, his parents sent him back and forth to reform,
schools, of course. And at the age of 17, Paul was

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sent away to Dozier school for boys in Florida, which was
Notorious for abusing and rapes of children.
So later on, they found over 50 bodies buried on the school
grounds. So this is a little bit
different, a lot of them, they 50 bodies, 50, actually, some of

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them do that. Now, that's in the Native
American like reform schools, where they were teaching people.
You have found a lot of those Mass Graves outside of the
schools as well, doesn't the government don't care white
schools though. Yeah that's yeah, that's it.
Never trust it. Yeah.
So which which maybe we'll do some episodes on this which

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would be kind of interesting. I think would be doing some
episodes on reform schools, because there is some bad stuff
that happens and still happen. So the only good one is
Hogwarts. I'm pretty sure.
And that one honestly, a lot of child endangerment like just
going to say a trans person or atrans hater.

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So yeah, I wouldn't go there butalso like seriously why do you
have dragons that close to kids like not cool.
Okay. You know, there's somebody's in
the walls at Quartz. I mean they're literally is
bodies. Yeah they're literally is bodies
in the walls and Hogwarts they have no example of a good reform
school. It does not exist.

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No, no, he doesn't. It's Tricky.
It's just a place to send kids to, so they don't have to deal
with them anymore. Well, in between being sent back
and forth to reform schools, he would meet up with his old
friends in Jacksonville and commit more burglaries.
Just like normal from his teenage years.
Paul was described as a ladies, man.

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You know, obviously Casanova killer, he's ladies man, but he
had a very, very, very bad. Bad temper.
Oh, if he, of course, if he liked a girl, but was rejected
by her, he wouldn't even think twice about just clocking her in
the face. Oh yeah.

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So he had a rage problem after this.
Yeah. After this would happen, you
know, obviously the brothers andthe boyfriends because he's
asking how girls that have boyfriends as well knowing this
and with and they were just theywould just get together and just
beat the crap out of him. Good.
Because they're like, what are you doing, dude?
This is not cool but that never deterred his rage.

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So that's actually pretty commonin households where people are
abused. It's the circle of life, it's
normalized. So pjk who I'm going to call him
and you know, switch back and forth between Paul and pjk.
So he would tell other people and he would, he would say, one
day I'm going to be a big famousBad guy.

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So from a young age, he already knew, he wanted to be like a bad
guy. So he wanted to be in the same
league as like HH, Holmes, AdolfHitler and Nero.
He didn't say he wanted to be inthose leagues, but that's the
league. He wanted to do this guy.
I'm talking Stalin. I'm talking.
Now, I'm talking, Pikachu. I'm talking, whoa, whoa.

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Pikachu is the greatest. Good guy in the world.
He saved Ash many times. Yeah, hika.
I digress. No, she cried on him.
What is a job is to kidnapper ofanimals?
That is true. If this was real life, Pokemon
would be horrible. Yeah, literally animal.
Yes. So back to PB&J.
Let's go. He'd be like Tiger King pretty

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much. Yeah, actually that's how I ge
Qing is like the older Ash. That's what happened asked when
he got older. Oh my God because he doesn't
feed his, his Pokemon either. Haskins Team Rocket.
Mmm. Yes, sir.
Anyways, PB&J back to PB and J. Let's go pjk his first major

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arrests occurred on March 10th, 1965 when he was just 19.
He was pulled over while driving.
A stolen car Noel's, grab the officer's gun and forced him
into the stolen vehicle. Damn, two hours later.
He released the officer unharmedlike he just was like, I'm I

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took this car and then he grabbed the officer's gun as he
like walked. To his his car.
That's an option and a bra. I mean, it's and then he brought
the cup with him. Getting released with your tail
between your legs. You will never hear the end of
it. I hope he did.
Yeah, put a donut shop. That would have been funny.

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He basically just left him unharmed and then obviously, he
was picked up, not that long. After that like he just he let
him go, like obviously we think about it, you know, he had A
witness. He had one amazing witness the
officer that he just left after he stole his and just drop them
off. He's missing and he stole the
car, you mind. If I you mind, if I take notes,

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I mean, I'm just over it. Yeah, that's fine.
So do you need a pen? Yeah, just yeah.
Brown here six-foot-two. I'm actually six with oh six
foot three just like yeah, yeah,he's just like here.
Can I come to get your information?
What's your names? What was the yeah?
Like what was the conversation? Like so you You end up rock or

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like, what do you, what do you listen to?
I'm a, I'm big into George Benson, Jazz nowadays.
I've kind of, I've changed a little bit, you know, I tossed
aside the aviators. Um, I'm sorry, I got to have the
radio on Cut quiet car. Rides are just too awkward.
It's, yeah, I never know what tosay with the cop, in the back of

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my car. Just anyways, like he got picked
up, not too long after And got convicted of kidnapping and was
sentenced to one to five years in state prison, you know?
Whoo, it's not that bad. So I feel like this is the six,
I feel like this is the 60s so like he's white, does it be as

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white as a history of History lesson White Privilege?
So why good-looking guys So true.
Yeah, yeah. So he's going to get out of a
lock. Yes he is.
So so Paul was starting out first hand experience.
This is what I can't get away with shit.

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All right, let's go. Yeah, so Paul was starting out
in his 20s and was already serving his second year in
prison. He served two years and eight
months for kidnapping that police officer and was paroled.
Only serve two years to almost three years.
So in April 1968, he was caught attempting to break and Enter in

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the house of do all County, theysent him right back to Raiford,
prison to complete his sentence and he literally didn't get any
more time. He just completed his sentence
that he was in for the original time.
He like literally like didn't turn in his like essay and the
teacher gave them extra time to To do it and he still didn't

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fucking do it but they gave him extra credit.
Like I don't know if that metaphor.
Yes. Any sense?
The point is, it's just like, wow.
He literally got like a do-over,you know?
Like they just like, well, you're going back to prison.
We're not going to add this to your your record.
Whatever, it's fine. Just go back for the original
time. You're supposed to be in here,
so he was released two years later after he had served the

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rest of his original sentence. Wait, does that mean that he was
let go after eight months and put on parole?
Or I mean, like you said, two and a half months, so he was in
there for 22 years and eight months for the, for the original
sentence, but they gave him parole.
So he then he went and attemptedto break an inner got caught.
They send them back for the original five years.

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That they had put him in there. Yeah, so so he's supposed to be
in there five years, but he got sentenced to 125 years is in
between. You can get paroled, he got a
little break, like two and a half years in, Yeah, he got a
break because they're like okay you know this is your first, we
know well, your first ad know it's this is your first adult
sentence. Not your first criminal action,

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but they're like, well, you know, you're young.
You maybe you have a whole life ahead of you will you're white?
You're good-looking, you got a lot to do, maybe become an
actor, I don't know. So he was released Robert
Redford and he just changed his name.
He was released with 25 dollars in his pocket, a new suit and no
responsibilities. That's what one of the guards

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said pretty. He much as he left.
So, at this time he had a girlfriend named Jackie night.
They met after his death in the cool night, they met after 1960,
after his 1967 parole. So believe it or not, Jackie's
husband at the time before they met introduce them to each
other. Well, that's awkward.

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Oh my God. Yeah.
Please officer. I don't I don't know if he
wasn't at, so exactly had copies.
You steal my gun, he's stupid. God damn it.
You're so handsome. She had three children at the
time to the original husband andwho to whom Paul was actually
very fond of and the kids reallyliked Paul.

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So they would all play together with when yeah.
And he went, you know horrible, he would take them to fairs and
win prizes for them like a great.
Dad would always gets always, you bike.
Yeah, it's always funny to see The Duality and serial killers.
How they can sometimes. Times just shut off the part of
them that wants to murder and rape and be normal, even good

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people, good lovers, you know, be on a ferris wheel.
Yeah. Yeah.
If he yeah. That's that's one thing.
I've always been curious about when it comes to like serial
killers and just like bad peoplein general.
Like I don't understand how people can do so many bad things

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like hurt people and just be Evil and still be able to sleep
at night and, and do their livesas like normal.
Like, if they haven't done anything wrong, like, and yeah,
that's the reason why I'm so curious about, like, the
psychology behind that, you know, he's like, how can you

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just like sleep at night? That's why that's why.
Whenever someone hurts me, I wastold him.
I hope you have nightmares, you know?
Because I know they're just gonna go home and sleep and be
okay. Okay, you know it's like no yeah
it's actually like a really goodthing that you don't understand
because that means that you are a person with empathy, a lot of

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these people have no empathy, whether it be like nature or
nurture, a lot of them could be classified as like, sociopaths
or people with like anti, you know, like antisocial
personality, the soldiers, yes. And A social where they don't

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see people as like other people.All they care about is
themselves and everyone else is an extension of the world that
they live in. So they're very like disposable
Expendable and things like that.Yeah, I mean it sucks because

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it's like like they just hurt this people in my day just like
feel anything? Yeah.
Then it's like, well, even if I'm mad, it's not, I mean, it's
their fault, but it's not their fault, because it's like a thing
in their brain. That's just not working for them
to be able to do that, you know?I don't know.

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It's just, I mean, yeah, it doesn't excuse the behavior.
Yeah, yeah, it doesn't excuse it.
But it's like they're just goingto continue doing it and they
just, there's nothing you can dounless they get help or die, you
know? Yeah, definitely I mean as we
considered most serial killers, prison is like the complete

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opposite of what these most people need.
Yeah. Unless they're getting locked
away for like, literally ever. And that's like no way to live
honestly. Like, that's the getting getting
help a lot of times, it's like the a lot of the only ways but a
lot of these people have to be locked away because they just
can't function. They won't be able to function
anymore, and they'll just continue doing it.

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A lot of serial killers, when they get into their, they do
their tapes, they talked to people, the interviews, they
just say, if I'm let out, I'm still going to do it.
So keep me locked away, which isjust such a terrible thing, but
you know that at least at this point, their self realizing it,
you know, So, speaking of being in prison and not helping, while

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Paul was in prison, he said he would marry Jackie so that his
girlfriend at this time, he saidhe would marry her as soon as he
got out and that they did when he was released Paul, and Jackie
were married. Well, like most serial killers,
early relationships course, it was short-lived.
Paul couldn't find any work because a but he's gonna hire a

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convict, you know, nobody wants to hire an ex-convict,
especially somebody who is Took a policeman.
Hostages had a record when he was younger about stealing and
grand larceny. Yep, yep.
So he got a, he went back to what he always did.
He went back to Jacksonville andstarted hanging out with his old
buddies. So Jackie smartly took her

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children and move to Macon. Georgia.
Oh God successfully annulled themarriage so that tells you how
quick it was because it's withinwhat six months, you can annul.
The marriage may be less than that.
Why was she able to yeah. Why is she here?
Yeah. Oh no, she had divorced, she

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had, she had divorced a, a whileago.
So sorry didn't include that. She had divorced her.
It was supposed to say her ex-husband, they divorced, but
her husband, at the time, introduce them and while he on
parole. So, when he went into jail, the
Jackie and her husband divorced.And so, Jackie started writing
letters Hours to fall. So they because he was a great

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person in her eyes at that time.She didn't see the, she didn't
see the monster. That was about the grow, you
know, she just those two dates on guy that was in jail.
Yeah, some people are into that.He didn't get the name Casanova.
Killer like you know what I'm saying?
Like not being a Casanova. Yep.

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It was sexy back in the day to be in jail.
Yeah. So So, Paul was again, back to
committing, burglaries and then again, was convicted of breaking
and entering and September of 1971.
So, my thoughts on this Paul is either a really, really, really

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bad criminal. Or he just committed so many of
them that he eventually got caught mmm.
You know and like I can wait either way, it's hard to hard to
say because like you know when we look at Richard Ramirez who I
kind of compare this guy to and he was little bit before Richard
Ramirez, he he just kind of likedid so much breaking and

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entering and he was liked by hisfriends.
So like so was Richard Ramirez, he had a really bad abusive
home. And you know, Richard Ramirez
was without his teeth. Was a generally good looking guy
before he got with all the, you know all the heroin and
everything that he was doing. So like, you know, I kind of

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compare the two of similar trajectories.
Yeah. So people thought Richard
Ramirez was hot. Yep, when he didn't smile, he
wasn't a horrible looking guys. His hair carried him a lot, you
know, how can ye lat it does? I mean, Sometimes hair does
carry so nope. So he was out of jail.

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Only one year before he was backin so he was only out for a year
before. He went back in this time, he
was giving only three years And even with the prior record to
the same exact thing he was convicted of this time.
So the maximum penalty of this after having a prior record,
offense is 15 years and they only even three.

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Only gave him three and Paul received furlough privileges.
After just one year, and of course, one day he just left.
And didn't come back. Okay, what the he just was like,
yeah, he just was like, I'm gonebecause like they, you know,
he's a good talker too. So they just trusted him and so

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he just left, he got, he got some right, he's just fart, he
went on furlough to go out and do something.
And I guess, I don't know exactly what furlough gives you
the privilege to do just go out into the day and come back, and
he can't didn't come back. So, the police again, caught
back up to him and December of 1972 and he fought like hell to

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get away. But It was two or three police
officers that overpowered him and then return them right back
to jail in this. Stint in jail would be his most
formative and most memorable finally honest Brian.
Warm, finally, he's going to getto the real Paul, we all know.
So in jail, Paul was a loner andhe mostly kept to himself

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because like most people they don't like being in cages, he
was too handsome to next to it lunch, right?
And he didn't Ain't he kept, buthe kept finding himself right
back in jail. He had spent nine years in jail
by the age of 28. Damn, this is just like actual
State Jail to. This is not like when he was

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younger and he was getting sent to reform school which is a semi
kind of jail. He spent nine years in but like
he had so many breaks. You know, you're heading in like
yeah, he had a year. He had like four months less
than years going out. So yeah.
He's I do want to say you just keeps You just keeps like

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breaking into people's houses badly and being like.
How does this keep happening? No, that's the thing.
If you're going to Glee licking,all the surfaces and like
putting like, in can't prints everywhere and being like, I
don't know what's going on, justlike this.
And in the peanut butter jar just licking his fingers and

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smearing on everything but like just leaving pictures of Robert
Redford everywhere, you know butlike That's the thing.
So like you can't be incredibly incredibly really, really,
really good-looking and activelydriving around and breaking into
houses, because everybody's justlooking at you all the time.
You have to blend in. You have to be a normie picnic,

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right? Yep.
Because they're just like, everybody's like, oh my God,
who's that? Don't let him see me.
Looking like, that's what everybody does, you know?
So, like he's just walking around here like a fucking
Unicorn through neighborhood andIsaac, spoke them don't.
But wait, why is he going in their house?
What the fuck? Yep.
That unicorn just don't my TV like you.

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Yep. So the dirt dirt, I agree.
You can't be a handsome burglar.I'm sorry.
That's all I'm trying to say, yeah.
Hmm. Shout out to all the handsome
burglars are out there. Please don't rub our houses, we
see. So he started spending time in
jail. Reading his horoscope and
studying astrology. There you go.

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There you go. He is behavior and he be like
this, so, he loved tarot cards. Oh my God, this guy's me and
late 1972. Paul began sending letters to a
woman named Angela, kovich. So she was 26 years old, and
worked as a cocktail waitress inSan Francisco.

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The reason he found her was because he found her name and
the American astrology magazine.So, as a sidebar, American
astrology, magazine was a magazine Started in 1933 and
went all the way until 2003 thisepisode is brought to you by the
American college magazine. So it featured a day-to-day

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guide to signs and horoscopes ofpublic figures at the time.
So be like what would it be likeFranklin Delano Roosevelt you
should you know your horoscope today is don't bomb you know
Japan even though he didn't bombJapan, it was Herbert Hoover or
was Harry Truman. Sorry.
Stuff like that, you know, basically telling the astrology

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of public figures at the time. So So, here's an excerpt from
the Aries daily guide. All right, so you're rolling in
high cash in on enhanced. Magnetism do everything with
dramatic flourish, travel, promote cell, consider a new hot

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interest and consider a new heart interest.
He did. Oh my God.
Paul and Angela would continue writing each other letters while
he was in jail. You would start letters with
high Mad, Dog Knowles and he'd call her my Yiddish Angel was

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that? So you do sir Angel?
See she said. Hi Mad Dog Knowles and he call
her my Yiddish her angel. It seems like she's Jewish.
Yeah, get Ash, I don't honestly know.
She was Jewish mad, dog knows like Mad Dog. 20/20.
Juicy drink Mad Dog 20/20. Well, it was just names they had

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for each other. So she, she's like so mad dog?
And he's like, yeah, no. Well, he isn't.
What do you think? He's in prison?
And she knows that, right? It's like, this is how prison
people bugs. So it seems tough.
Yeah. And now you would think that
because well, he had a huge criminal history and he had

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spent more time in prison, and his adult life than he had spent
on the outside of prison. She would not be interested, but
it did not face. Because their ex-husband was
currently in jail as well. Oh my God.
He was the cop who had his gun. His wife stay.
Just threw him in jail. Yeah.
And they just threw him in jail.He also lied to her.

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So, obviously is going to be a big thing.
He lied to her saying that he was in jail for only drug
dealing. So I do want to say why it does
sounds fair? Well no I mean look at it this
way though like think about marijuana now, right?
So people were going to jail. Like that in these days for
having any kind of paraphernalia, any kind of
marijuana and like, it's kind ofhow we look on somebody if they

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had marijuana now and they go tojail.
It's like it's stupid that they're going to jail for this
so I can see in some ways but think about it as like anybody
they didn't break into houses this guy obviously did but like
it's like a, I don't know, I wouldn't look on somebody.

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It's a lesser of two evils. You're looking at It's like,
man, it's just marijuana. Why are they in jail?
It's so stupid. It's also I can really 1970s.
So like, seriously, totally different drug culture, they're
all in there, like, 20s at this point.
So they just like went through, like, I think, but wait, was it
sanity one? That was, like, the Summer of
Love or whatever, but like, we're coming, like, fresh out of

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like the height of the hippie movement and enjoy the
anti-establishment, you know, like hippie movement and it's
just like, man, I got in here because I got pulled over in
Florida with joy. Join.
Now I'm in for this many years it's like oh my God, Mad Dog.
I'm so sorry. You know.
Like yeah. Yeah to me this is when they had
the best music but this is just to me from like the late, 60's

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to the mid 70s rock and roll my heart mint and the punk movement
to yep. They had the best music of this
time. Everything, sir, original, but I
digress. So in September of 1973, Angela
traveled from San Francisco. To Raiford prison, which is in
between Jacksonville and Gainesville Florida.

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So kind in the central part of Florida during her visit they,
of course, headed off. And Paul proposed to her course,
in just a beautiful fashion thatI know bet sabay can appreciate
just sitting there at the video camera, while they're on two
sides of the glass. She said, yes, that is cute.

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And I can just imagine In his prison orange jumpsuit and his
handcuffs behind a glass wall. He got a few candles that were
snuck in someone's prison walletand he got down on one knee and
said for Angela. Kovich, all the signs are
pointing to you Mary and me. Oh my God.
Okay, that's cute. And see said my horoscope says

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that I should say yes to any newadventures today.
That's what I meant. I'm so glad I brought.
If that magazine to put that in there, oh my God.
So areas are so romantic so I get it right.
So she hired a lawyer Sheldon, Javits to help secure his

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parole. She hired a lawyer for him to
secure his role, so he could join her in San Francisco.
Yep. She was like, I'm going to share
about some money. She's a cocktail waitress in San
Francisco. At this time.
She's probably making some bank right now, so I'm 70s.
In San Francisco in the 70s. Waitress.
There were, there's some high rollers.

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There's some high rollers thoughin San Francisco at this time.
So they agree to hear his paroleHearing in, granted him early
release again so Paul lied through his teeth so that they
would believe him basically let him go.
So he said maybe he could be better.
He told them he was angry and aimless before and now he had a

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reason to Abandon his old ways. I once was a Mad Dog.
Now, I'm just an old puppy. Let him a good do judge.
Yeah. So he was released on May, 1974
and flew to meet his wife and San Francisco.
Whoo. Yeah, baby arrived.

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Yeah, he's good. Yep.
But he arrived in San Francisco to him.
Scientists are find. His arrival was less warm than
he thought. Instead of having a happy future
wife, waiting for him, he found a woman who pretty much changed
her mind. Oh, a psychic.

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Yeah, a psychic warned Angela. That a dangerous man was ending
her life. Oh my God, I'd say the psychic
hit the nail on the head. Yeah that's crazy.
Wow. Wow, so she didn't tell him
right away and what after a weekwith the obvious here who's

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gonna, Yeah, that poor officer. But after about a week she told
him that she wouldn't marry him.So she had him there for a week
and that she would be getting back with her ex-husband.
Who was just in jail too cold snake.
Yep. So, Paul was freaking pissed.

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She's no, he's she's still alive.
I mean, honestly, if he wasn't acareer, criminal criminal, and
eventually a serial killer, I can honestly say, who would
blame them. But in the end, she was right to
push him from her life. So after this rejection, he did
what he always did. He returned to Jacksonville.

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With his old friends. So is heartbroken, is there like
heartbreaking statue of him in Jacksonville somewhere?
I feel like there should be, it's right next to the Freebird
live cafe. Oh, yeah, thank you, Lynyrd
Skynyrd for the great music. So upon his return, a pissed-off

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and feeling rejected. All John Knowles got drunk at a
local bar. Wow, he got it.
I mean, he probably needed. To get, you know, get plastic
because he was like, ah, just got out of jail flew to San
Francisco, the wife who wanted to marry me who is engaged said,
no came back. He got into a bar fight and he
pounded the bartender into a bleeding pulp as well as

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stabbing him. I mean, I get it because like,
berries we feel we just go emotionally like You get you get
him drinking or do you see that you get him stabbing bartender,

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beating him into a bloody mole? I get it because of how his all
of it because he's a serial killer, you know?
And he's heartbroken so of course his mind went there, you
know. No, not excusing him, but I see
his behavior like his pattern. So he was picked up and put into

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local jail, obviously. But Paul had no intentions of
going back to Raiford jail, which he was Justin.
So on July 26, 1974, he picked the lock and escaped, so it was
bad. So is he dumb?
It was that easy. The fuck he literally picked the

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lock because cause, you know, hedidn't want to go back to the,
it's easier in County lockup to do this.
I feel like especially in the 70s, then if he got into Rayford
jail to escape because raiford's, the state senate
Century. Yeah, yes.
Honestly, honestly, they probably left the door closed to
open for him because they're like, he ain't going nowhere.

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So that was the night. So handsome, I would like it to
be so bright. I can't see where the lock.
Is that? Look at him, he's a nice.
My shoelace. So as he did this, this was the
night he was going to start his four month kill spree, which
would lead to at least 18 victims and up to 30 ish,

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victims him. So he's, he had.
So this I want to say, well, I'll bring it up later well,
because he's heartbroken. Well, I mean I'm sure there's a
million other things going on his mind and we'll get into
this. So on July 26.
It does on July 26. 1974, Paul was on the run.

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So this is the same day he escaped and he needed money and
a car to get away fast. He got into the home of Alice,
Curtis a 65 year old, retired schoolteacher.
Now I say got into and not broken into because it was never
made clear whether or not he wasinvited in because of his
Charming ways or if he actually broke into the home.

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So it was never mentioned. So he needs to be I was thinking
the same thing. Well, he could be.
So he overpowered Alice and tiedher up as he was in the home.
Now, we need money and you needed it fast.
So he basically upended her home.
He did his Richard Ramirez thing, he went through and stole
all try to steal all over stuff.He put a gag in her mouth to

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make sure she couldn't curtains couldn't scream.
And while he was burglarizing, the home, her Dentures came out,
because of her gag and then choked her to death.
Damn, so when he went back to check on her and make sure she
was all tied up, she was alreadydead. so, as with Most serial

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killers, most of the time their first kill in quotations.
I'm going to put it is usually an accident.
So now once they feel that they've gotten this, they are
giving themselves the allowance to kill Elena Salinas.
Probably nodding right now beinglike.
Yep. That's what's happening now?
He's like yep. Yep yeah.

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And so is also they like find some kind of like sexual like
excitement from like looking andbeing like I killed someone, you
know. Yep.
Like you're very weird. Their brain donors.
Yeah. And and at the moment that won't
come into it but he now thought to himself.
Well if I do go back to jail, I'll now actually be on the

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higher end of the prison hierarchy, you know, he'd be a
murderer instead of just like a low robber or, you know,
breaking in her person. So he's like, he's like on the
top rung. He's acting like he's like a
part of a timeshare. Hey call me back and forth to
jail. Yeah.

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He's like when I get back there I really do want to be on top
and it's just like, are you alright do you have like stake
in it or something like to go back there you want to improve
your life in there. Like you're gonna be there for a
while like, you know, there's other options.
Yeah, for sure. It's so what me he, you know, he

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has a lot of problems going withthis being younger, so he was in
that a jail. Al here right now.
He has no place to call home because honestly, that's in
general. At this point it's his own
fault. So he stole her Dodge Dart or is
actually my parents call it the Dodge fart.
And they actually release, they actually release the Dodge Dart

(43:10):
to now and it's the same. My parents always hated that
car, but they went to hide out at one of his friends house.
Who doesn't know that he's a murderer yet.
So less than one week later on August 1st, Paul would strike
again, this time, it was two young girls at 6 p.m.

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Elizabeth Anderson, took her 13 year old daughter and left her
home to visit a sick relative, the two younger daughters, 11,
11, year-old Lillian and six-year-old, my let were left
at home at 7 p.m. just an hour later, Elizabeth Anderson's
husband Jack who was due to comehome pretty quickly from They're
called just to make sure like they were okay, you know,

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Elizabeth also called the house to make sure the girls were
okay. And they were assured at 7 p.m.
they're fine. So it just happened.
That the two girls were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Paul said that he was in the middle of abandoning Alice's
stolen, Dodge fart in a peacefulresidential neighborhood.
The two girls Lillian, and my let saw Paul.

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He thought they would tell on him because they knew him.
Paul's mom was a friend of Elizabeth Anderson, so he coax
them into his car. Elizabeth Anderson was their
mother. So he coax them into his car,
drove to a remote location and strangled them both.
He then proceeded to dump their bodies into a swamp.

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They would not find the bodies of the two girls until after he
was captured and heard it in hisdiary tapes Jesus.
He kept on that. Yeah, I'll talk about them
later. On the same evening he decided
to head to Macon. Georgia to hide out what?

(44:59):
Yeah. Oh he also do we know Town?
Yeah I was going to say who alsodo we know down that's down
there, right now, Jackie night. So he made another stop and
broke into the home of Marjorie Howie which is a very
interesting name. But so he strangled her with

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nylon stocking and stole all thecash and Valuable.
See, could find. Yeah, a nylon stocking would be
one of his calling cards actually eventually, so he had
murdered four people already in the span of like seven days.
He was right. He was truly going into bizarre

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kermode on his way to Macon. He would murder his fifth
victim. IMA Jean Sanders.
She was a 13 year old who was living with her father for a
while because of her parents divorce.
Yep. His third kid.
She had taken a bus to visit hermother and stepfather and Warner
Robins Georgia. Imogene arrived at the bus stop

(46:04):
and was picked up by her sister and take him to stay at her
family's mobile home. I'm only going into this
background of what she was doingin the day because it gets her
to where she is for the when shewas killed.
Irma was picked up on August first by one of her friends to
go out and have fun, she would never return home in the tapes,

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recorded by Paul John Knowles. He said he picked up a
hitchhiker named Alma which is almost like her name, not far
from Warner Robins and took her to a wooded area.
He raped and strangled her and then dumped her body between
some trees. He said that he came back to see

(46:46):
her body. Two weeks later and saw that an
animal's had bitten and chewed at her body and so he took her
Jawbone. What was left of it and buried
it. Wait what?
He took her Jawbone and buried the Jawbone.
No, I know. But like, was this some like
pseudo white dude, trying to do First Nations like ceremony

(47:10):
thing? Like, why specifically her
Jawbone? He just felt called for it tree.
Yeah. He felt called to it.
Yeah, Joshua Tree. This one is also jaw.
He wanted it on the East Coast. So Sammy.
This breaks is normal Mo of onlykilling people so that he can

(47:31):
get money, get a car escape or like, make sure he's not being
seen because the two other kids that he kill, he thought that
they were, they saw him and could recognize him.
So he ventured into rape that wecannot say, for sure.
Of course, that he did not do this before, he had not
mentioned it before, so, yep. So he said this guy, this guy.

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Why is everything? Yes, he does not.
He does not discriminate and that's what we'll find out as
well, a few weeks later after laying low.
He again, was running low on money and his friend Jackie
night who had mentioned earlier was hinting, that he was not
welcome anymore. So, on August 23rd.

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Yeah. Painting like, hey, please,
please leave. I still have my kids.
You need to leave. So on August. 23rd he went to
musala and knocked on the door of Kathy Sue Woods Pierce shoot,
he was home alone with her three-year-old son, Joel again,

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whether he got into the house byusing his charm or, you know, as
we mentioned above, which I think is what happened.
At this time, he entered her home as soon as he entered and
closed the door to Kathy's home,he demanded money.
With his gun, she tried to scream and just pissed off Paul.

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He broke the telephone off, the wall wrap, the cord around her
neck and strangled her rate in front of the three-year-old son.
He dragged her body into the bathroom and took all the money
he could find and left the house.
He thankfully left Joel unharmedbut this poor kid that watched

(49:22):
his mother being strangled to death and not be able to do
anything about it. So, Paul three is, when you're
able to form memories, hmm. Yeah.
I feel bad because he was actually trying to call collect
and the phone was left off the hook too.
If I can, if I can happen reallyquick with a completely

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unrelated story. But similar topic, right?
I met and, you know, family hereand multiple neighbors.
I'm up visiting family until he'd Ohio.
I may have stopped a child abduction.
The other day, literally, it waslike late evening my my sister
and my nephew and I were out on the back porch just like

(50:05):
shooting the shit. And just straight up a large,
red SUV pulls up. There's like eight kids playing
in the yard, like, over in a neighbor's yard across the
street. A red SUV.
Pulls up guy literally says to the kids.
Hey, kids. How y'all doing?
And they're like, hi guys. Like you guys like candy like

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rate up? He's like, you guys like candy?
And they were like, I don't like, would you like some candy
and they all said, Like and theyall said, like, no at first and
he's like, well what about suckers do?
You guys like suckers, the kids started walking towards the
fucking SUV, right? And my sister it was like, I

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heard multiple generations of moms come out of her mouth.
At this point I'm walking through the gate to go confront
the dude. Right?
I'm like what the fuck, what thefuck.
And I'm like I'm walking out towards the driveway and walking
towards the dude and like my sister just from the depth of my
A hell and heaven, she's just like know, just like Echoes

(51:12):
through the neighborhood. And this dude, literally just
like, okay, he starts to like, drive away and I go out in the
street to, like, get his licenseplate and shit, but that was
like fucking sus as hell. Like I was like I am literally
watching a PSA right now. That's right out of the Playbook
who was watching, then? Okay, dude, it was, it was just,

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it was fucking weird. But like by the time I got it
Street, there was like other moms that were also standing out
in the street and she was like amom radar system, just like when
off and like, they were all. And like, it might be a dude
that lives down the road or whatever, but it's still like,
I'm sorry. You're like a 50-something, 60
something-year-old dude, you know, not to just go up to a

(51:58):
group of kids and offer candy. It's us, especially from a car,
it's best and from a car to liketo be.
Yeah, that's pretty pretty sis. That was the scariest thing is
like when they're in big cars like that, they usually look
like they're alone but they havepeople in the back seat.
So once the kids approached the car, they just throw, open the
door, grab the kid, close the door and drive off, so that was

(52:21):
afforded situation. None of the kids got taken,
although there was like eight ofthem so it might be a week
before we realize one of them ismissing but now like I'm just
saying like a humorous side is obviously very tense situation.
But really happy to say neighborhood came together and
we chase this fucking weirdo outso nice.

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Hey goody perfect. Oh, and also Joey, please keep
this in, we need to do a little.Shout out to the chicken cult.
Oh yes. Listener, 11:00 11:30.
Kevin. He's a neighbor here, near my

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sister and brother-in-law's house.
We got to meet hang out. Hockey, literally called, as
like his grandpa. And his grandpa was telling me
all sorts of paranormal stories and just like, wild like things
for my kids childhood. So, like Gavin comes by it.
Honestly, you know, like being into this kind of stuff and
Gavin is a camp counselor. Right now, he's like and like

(53:27):
Boy Scouts and everything like that, and like teaching kids
like how to fish and the other day and he showed me the video
on the phone, if it wasn't a bunch of kids.
I would totally share it to social media but that's not
right. So, you know, just Gavin's got
the video of seen it. The proof is out there but they
captured a wild chicken or rooster in the woods and all
black rooster. And there's a video of Gavin

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holding the chicken above his head.
With a bunch of little six and seven-year-olds all chanting,
KFC, KFC, there's the duck and I've never been more proud of
our listeners. So, shout out to Gavin.
Shout out. To the chicken.
Cults, and shout out to all the moms that are stopping people

(54:11):
offering candy to kids. Yeah, thank you Mom and just
humans in general that, do that.Yeah, except in, so so great.
I love it. I love the chicken cult and so
Paul, just like that guy in the rest, the red SUV.

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So just like the guy in the red SUV, Paul knowing he needed to
get some distance between himself and the crimes decided
to head to the birthplace of ourvery own Gil.
He decided to head to Ohio whereyou are right now.
So on September 3rd, he drove into Lima.

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Yep, he drove into lima lima lima sorry sorry.
Thank you. Last November 3rd.
Heater is on September 3rd. He drove into Lima which is not
too. A far from the border of
Indiana. Paul entered a bar at Scott's in
and struck up a conversation with William Bates, a 32-year,

(55:13):
old account executive for the Ohio power company.
Yeah, right. Paul and William, according to a
bartender struck up a great conversation and they left
together, William would never beseen alive again.
Mmm, William Bates wife, reported her husband missing.

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So police came to the bar the last place he was found alive
and found the abandoned white Dodge Dart which was stolen in.
Paul's first murder, William Bates was found on Thanksgiving
Day that year by a hunter bound and gagged with electrical tape
naked. In the forest, he was strangled
to death and Paul had stolen hiscredit cards cash and his

(55:57):
Chevrolet Impala. Was he raised it, never
mentioned it. But from things that happen in
the later, murders I think he was because we will go, we will
go into it now and find out likehe in some of the stories he

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tried to rip. So as we want to say, like, even
even if you can't get a rapist still rape, I just want to say
that To begin with, but he couldnever get it up for women.
Even though he tried. Because it's still, he's still

(56:44):
putting it in trying to like squishy.
Yeah, you know, like you can penetrate them with other things
and like pesos in. Isn't the end-all be-all of rape
either the author and the book mentioned, Yeah, the author and

(57:07):
the book mentioned that, I don'tknow, with this kind of had to
do with it because when he was in jail, he was having sex with
men in jail that he did it so much because he was in jail for
so long that he stopped seeing women like that.
But he wanted to and so that's kind of what they mentioned is
that he, I don't know how to kind of gauge it that.

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Like he, I think in the book they said that he became gay,
but I think he might I have beengay and just wanted not to be
because he, you know, just like some serial killers.
They don't want to be, but they are, and they take it out on
people. They take it out on men.
They take it out on women. You can't become a PA.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like, you can't become
straight. It's an old book.
So I'm just like quoting. Historically, when like two
women or two men live together and they're like yes and he
lived with his best friend. 85 years.
And once they were dead, they got buried in the same coffin
holding hands. They were very good friends.

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Best friend? Yeah.
It's it's an old book. So that's kind of how like it
comes off. I didn't want to mention it like
that, but you just trying to, you know, give that you're
giving what the author said. I'm relaying what the author
says. Yeah.
And that is that is also. So yeah, I think I'm personally
just, I think that he was gay. He just didn't want it just like

(58:35):
some Serial killers will kill people just because they don't
want to, they don't want to be in their quota in their things
is like outcasts or they do depending on how they are but he
just didn't want to feel like it's so he killed it like he
didn't mention that he raped them the men but since they were
naked tied and yeah, pretty muchout there that he didn't want to

(58:57):
mention it. So he was Paul was very quick at
getting away because he had no attachments after this.
So after Stole you stole WilliamBates.
Discards his cash is Chevrolet Impala.
He made a quick getaway. So he would come in and kill
somebody in a town and then leave before the bodies were

(59:19):
found. So it was very much easy for him
to get away and very hard to attribute him to these crimes.
Some of the only ways we know that he committed these crimes
because he he admitted to them. And some of them were attributed
to him by where They thought that he was at a certain time,
and his MO is his slight little mo of nylon stocking.

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So he hitted West, according to the traces, on the credit card,
transactions of William Bates. Hmm, he passed through Montana
and then Utah. So he's a world trout.
He's a u.s. traveler right now and he ended up in Nevada and
you say, Nevada. It's not Nevada because they
will kill you. If you say Nevada, it's Nevada.

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Nevada on September 12. He was in Ellie, Nevada.
He was broke. He was broke because the money
and credit cards had run out. Much easier to do back in those
days because there's not as muchtraces as the were and they
can't just cut off your credit cards without especially if

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someone's already dead. So Paul John Knowles had, picked
up a gun during his travels. Most likely purchase from a pawn
shop. He used the gun to overpower
Emmett and Lois Johnson who are in their 60s.
He, he tied them up and shot both of them right behind their
left ear. Then took their cash and credit

(01:00:47):
cards and then moved on He didn't rest long.
Because, as he was on his way back to the east coast, he
murdered another woman named Charlaine.
Hicks at a rest stop. He followed his normal Mo and
she was found. Nude strangled to death, her
body was torn where he dragged her through the brush and Barbed

(01:01:10):
wired, fence that separated the woods from the road, and I'm
just like, running through thesebecause he killed so many people
in so many so quickly. Quick like four months.
This is not even. Yeah, he's this is a four-month
tarek. Tirade, two days later.
He was in Birmingham, Alabama. As he's going back to the east
coast world. Looks like he's heading back to

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write as they said in back to. Where else would he be going,
Jacksonville? He met a woman named Ann Dawson.
Who was a beautician. He apparently traveled with her
for six days before he murdered her and dumped her body.
But She was never found. Yeah, what was that?

(01:01:57):
I don't know. You want to go checkered.
Sounds like it was probably outside.
Right? A tree branch fell or something?
Yeah, maybe they're trimming thetrees.
Could be so he apparently traveled with her for six days

(01:02:17):
before he murdered her and dumped her body.
She was never found. They never found her body.
So he took a break for about twoweeks which for him was a long
time. So he was murdering people all
over the place literally all over the US.
So in the seventies to find someone like this it's just like

(01:02:42):
look how long it took them to find Ted Bundy you know as he
was going through the Sorry, I was just going to say, like,
it's taken very long like, even just recently, for like police,

(01:03:02):
to want to, like, share information, especially if it's
like, you know, a big story in their City.
They want to be the ones to catch it.
They don't want to talk to anybody else.
Yeah. And that's something like the
ego. And also, just the way that
things were at the time, everything was paper, it was
very hard to like communicate. Eunuch eight, things like that
without having just like a hunchthat maybe they would be in a

(01:03:25):
different state and you also like half of their guns were
stolen from them along the way and they were kidnapped so they
didn't want to talk about that they didn't want to admit their
defeat. So I could make this.
This thing too is like none of them released.
A lot of times it was very hard for them.
They never released sketches at the beginning because most of

(01:03:48):
them at this time, they didn't have sketches of the purchased
headshots of Robert Redford, just headshots, Robert Redford
and because he was leaving them up at the murders like why do I
get arrested every week? Around that time to at the same

(01:04:09):
age. He was making movies just as he
was an owl - that point, okay? Like we even think I got a
Robert Redford was famous at this point.
He hit four years ago, he had already been all five years ago.
He was already in The Great Gatsby.
So he was like this guy looks just like him too.
They're like, you know, he's just doing his thing and movies

(01:04:29):
and stuff and that's the guy that's him.
I mean somebody else is or like I saw that guy break into the
person's house, you know. Yeah these goddamn actors out
here. Yeah just not.
Well I mean they do teach a class to an acting school is how

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to eat out of the garbage so maybe they're just like taking
that a little further and maybe Robert Redford was practicing
for one of his a he was researching for a role you know.
I could be my why is to dumpsterdive all the fucking time in
like my late teens and like early 20s when I was hopping
trains and like hitchhiking and stuff, like one of the best

(01:05:16):
hacks, have you ever need to know make this real quick?
Like, 10 minutes, 15 minutes, right?
Like be respectful to people their order, a pizza, extra
large pizza or two or three of them.
Don't make it too many or they won't make them order it with
every fucking thing on it. The point is, is that you never
come in and pick it up and so what happens is, Is you have a
bunch of folks have been eating pizza all day.
Working at the pizza restaurant and they're just like, oh, I

(01:05:38):
don't want to take his home. I want to take this home and
then you scope out the dumpster and wait for them to come out to
the dumpster and drop in these pizzas.
And then you run up and grab some hot pizza.
So yeah. But they make you give them the
credit card before. No no not not all the time
especially when you're like and he's like super small towns and
stuff like that. You're like yeah, I'm gonna be

(01:05:58):
there in like 15 minutes if you call on the phone to give you
call on the phone. Speaking.
As a person who works in a pizzarestaurant, they don't take your
credit card until you get there to pay for it.
If you do it online, you obviously will do that.
That you have to pay for it but you just call in.
So makes a little easier. I fed myself so many times with
this hack. I'm just saying fun fact.

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And they're like okay bring you up here, you pay so yep.
Ignore ignore. So sit in the bushes and wait
for them to go outside with their Pizza.
Joey, when you go to work tonight, just look off into the
bushes, rustling in the corner and it's going to be guilty,
Spirit from Ohio be polite, Joey, and always, if you work at
a pizza place, be polite and don't throw the nasty trash bags

(01:06:45):
on top of the bags, full of food.
All right, somebody's going to come in there and eat out of it.
Also, if you work at one of these places, Where they have
everybody pour bleach on their trash and night on top of
perfectly. Good food.
That is a thing. You can totally just go to one
corner, especially, like, whatever.
The nasty is Corner this dumpster, and, like, poor that
bleach over there, so that nobody questions it's because

(01:07:05):
they can still smell it. But people can still eat because
people live out of dumpsters homey like that's reality.
It sucks. But fun fact.
Get Joe free pizza tonight on the DVR Okay.
My name is bets by, he has kind of nasty trash but they do have

(01:07:30):
a lot of fresh fruits and stuff that they throw away and we do
not we they don't pour bleach onit and yes Starbucks, throws
away a ton of like frozen food that.
Honestly, you can keep frozen atyour house and cook for a really
long time. So if you work at a an actual

(01:07:50):
store, you You can take that stuff home at the end of the
day. Sorry everybody.
We just got way up here next week.
I'll be giving tips on how to use bolt cutters to stop
hydraulic presses on dumpster. Moving on, love it.
So if you guys need to get your free food, or if you're in a bad

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way and you're listening to thispodcast somehow maybe, you know,
Gil from a past life or You justlike listening to Paranormal
podcasts while you're sitting inthe woods with creepy things
happening with your tent. That's how you get your food if
you didn't know. So, like Paul John Knowles on

(01:08:33):
October 16th, he walked up to a home and marble Connecticut and
knocked on the door. Please don't do this.
Also, if you're in a bad way, donot be Paul.
John Knowles be ago, don't confuse tips with us breaking
down steps of a serial killer. Yeah.
This, we're just trying to help you out.
We don't want you murdering Anybody we want, you fed living
a good life. So when Dawn win, it was a

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sixteen-year-old. Open the door in Marlboro.
Connecticut after Paul, John Knowles knocked on her door,
Paul forced his way in, tied herup.
And did what he always does raped her.
He waited for Dawn's mother to come home, he did the same thing
to her. Then he strangled them both with

(01:09:17):
silk stockings and left. He took everything he could
find, he grabbed a money, he grabbed tape recorder, which
will be used soon, and some records records, which he then
gifted to Jackie nights childrenwhen he visited them, again, his
ex-wife who left him and an old Their marriage a long time ago,

(01:09:39):
not that long ago, I guess in these in this timeline.
So, three days after leaving Connecticut, he arrived in
Woodford, Virginia. So, I'm just going through these
because this is literally like, he's going go and go and like,
the Energizer Bunny, then their drives our serial killer.
And so he forced 53 year old, Doris Hovey to let him into her

(01:10:02):
home. He told her, I only want a gun.
So she said, okay, like you onlywant the gun like just take the
gun and leave. So she took him to the study to
grab her husband's rifle. Once he had the gun, he loaded
it, shot her through the head, he dusted off her.

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He dusted off his fingerprints and then left the rifle right
next to her, And tried to make it look like a suicide.
He there was no reason in his tapes.
He said he just didn't care. He just that's he just killed
her. There is no mo to a lot of the
stuff anymore like he's just doing so much crazy stuff.

(01:10:46):
The stockings are almost kind ofhis Mo but he still doing other
things that don't match it. So he's been a little weird.
He's not doing this for Satan. He's not doing this for Jesus.
He's not doing this for like anybody.
It's just for himself, except for himself.
Yeah, I'm out here and I'm doingit for myself.

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Yeah. And as we know, like some
serial, killers, like Richard Ramirez, there are big into.
This is my Satan worship. This is how I do it and I think
there was another serial killer,who God told him.
He needed to murder the whole world just to start it over
again and he had a crazy friending Charlie, get it crazy.

(01:11:30):
A friend named Charlie. I can't remember the guys name
but yeah, he was he was a cobbler and he dug this giant
hole inside of his house and he had all those kids working on
the whole. What was his name?
Yep, the Shoemaker, yes? Yes, damn it.
Well, it was Joseph, CAO, injure.
It was Joseph Challenger. Yeah, Ted Bundy said, he had a
demon. Remember, he said he had the

(01:11:54):
yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Anyone for Jesus good-looking guys, always doing it for
themselves. Seriously?

(01:12:15):
Yeah, make sure because you're pregnant.
If we get to the end of this andyou say, I mean, I can
understand why I hate. I mean, don't you ever just want
to dry? No.

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But I will say, I think that that slivko might be the most
honest serial killer, which is like the most insane part of all
of it because he was so that's what broke everything like down
for. You know, breaks him away from
the typical is that so many of these folks just like don't have
empathy or they have this like this, they're just something's

(01:12:56):
just fucking gone and they're just like not seeing folks as
human and like slip. Go to the very end knew what he
was doing was wrong and there was something that was like
torture. During him inside.
Well, he was actively trying to be honestly a fucking like if he
had, it sounds weird if he hadn't have done what he did as
a weird-ass camp counselor and stuff like that.

(01:13:17):
He would be like a hero like I've like humanitarians like
straight up like he yelled and he did the hard work, but he had
this side and he was like ridingin the letters to his wife like
look out for these signs and thekids started out at all, like he
was aware like fully cognizant of like something is wrong.
Ang you know but like then you get to like folks like this

(01:13:39):
where it's just like I don't know if they're just too fucking
high on hairspray or what, but like they just can't stop.
He, you know, there's a very, very, very fine line between
hero and serial killer. Some because of presidents.
Yeah, it's so it's very true. A lot of them have the same

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antisocial personality disordersthat that some of the serial
killers have same for the businessman, same for same for
rich people, you know, in that. Kind of way if they sometimes
have the same thing, some of them just choose to murder
people in their wallets and somepeople choose to murder people
and their physical murder people, you know, and it depends

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and granted. You know, you could make an
argument not I mean not all I'm not making the argument that all
rich people are antisocial personality disorders.
This some really amazing people that are rich, that donate a lot
that helped a lot of people. But there's also some people
better terrible people, We can'ttalk about our sponsors, get

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needed to Sugar Mommy. So he went to Florida.

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He picked up a pair of hedge, hikers hitchhikers, but before
he could murder them, he was pulled over by a police officer.
No. I mean technically Jackie night.
He's living out of her house forthe most part, just every once
in awhile and so he's kind of living off of her Goodwill.
His ex-wife, who hit the kid, and the kids still, like, I just

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want to make it clear. Like, he hasn't been pointed to
any of these murders. Nobody knows of him yet.
Nobody thinks that he's done it.Nobody has a description of him
anything like that, because everyone that's seen him is dead
and he's been gone for so long plus.
He's been moving back and forth from different places so
murdering people in different places.
Robbing different houses, he's not like some other serial

(01:15:49):
killers that stay in their neighborhood.
He's going to all these places. So on his way to Florida, he
picked up a pair of hitchhikers,but before he could murder them,
he was pulled over by a police officer.
Not the same, police officer that he took the gun from a
different one. He changed his heat, he changed
his name, he then Paul changed his mind because he felt like he

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could easily be attributed to their death.
Hmm. Because the police officer saw
them saw The Hitchhiker's there so he just drove them to Miami
where they were supposed to go. And just let them let them go.
Yep. And it's here after this that he
would make a pit stop that we will talk about at the end of

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the episode while he was going through Florida.
He may have picked up two more hitchhikers and murdered them,
but Paul never took credit for them.
So there's no guarantee that he did it.
But both bodies were found in Macon Georgia, which is pretty
much near the base of his operations.
He was there at the time period and They had a similar Mo of to

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what he normally did. So we'll go fast forward a
little bit on November 6th, Paulwas in Milledgeville Georgia.
He had been in a bar called Pegasus which was a known gay
bar in town. Carswell car, which is a
terrible name. No offense to this guy, his
name's Carswell car. Sorry buddy, I feel bad for your

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name but he was 45, he met Paul at the bar, he might work some
bikes. He met Paul at the bar and by
some means or another ended up with Paul at his home.
Paul stripped, Carswell naked and tied him up to his bed.
He then started stabbing him with a pair of scissors, and

(01:17:37):
torturing him. Cars will didn't die of blood
loss. He died of a heart attack.
Oh, fuck. Because it was so horrifying.
His second victim was Amanda. His second victim was Amanda.
Car cars, Wells, 15 year old daughter He strangled her with

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horrible violence and then attempted again.
As we talked about before, he did rape her, but he had because
he couldn't get it up, he over, and over again.
He tried to rape her She like all the other victims, had a
nylon stocking around her neck and another shove down her
throat. Paul then took cars Wells, brown

(01:18:22):
leather briefcase shaving kit, credit cards, and house keys.
He also took a watch and a digital clock from Amanda's
room, he took a lot of random stuff.
The town was in shock, obviouslyafter they found this out.
However, a few days later once the murders were posted in the

(01:18:43):
paper, a sales clerk at a department store, remembered a
man who came in and purchased A tape recorder and blank tapes
with mr. Carswell cars, credit cards, she
called the police and gave them a description.
She said he was a tall good-looking young man, with red

(01:19:04):
hair, and has a panda mustache. Thank you.
I don't know how to say that. So on, instead of continuing on
the normal path, he did, he stayed in Georgia Unlike the
other times when he just went toa different place he drove to
Atlanta and booked a hotel room at the Holiday Inn again using

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the credit cards. It's here.
Yeah it's here. He would meet the lady who would
write a book about him. I do want to say this is not the
same book that I read, this is adifferent book.
At the Holiday Inn, he would meet a British journalist named

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Sandy. Fox fa W, ke s.
That's a dope name for him. This was his dream.
He met a journalist who could one day, make him the celebrity
bad guy. He always wanted.
On the first night. My name is dogs.
Hi, my name's Mad, Dog. Knocks.

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Yeah. And they were best friends.
They were on the first night at they met at the bar.
She noticed him immediately. I mean, who wouldn't?
It's this like redheaded guy. Yep.
It weighed. Yeah, exactly.
As he was described as extremelyhandsome.
He came over and bought her a drink Knowles said he was a

(01:20:31):
businessman from New Mexico. Visiting Atlanta for a case
involving a restaurant chain. His father owned just so very
specific but I guess being more specific makes its or more
believable. So / Fox and her book she
initially resisted his advances and joke that you could easily

(01:20:52):
be another Boston Strangler for all.
I know this is the best responsehe did to this.
But the Boston Strangler is dead.
That's what he said. Casanova right.
Yeah. For me, I would be like well

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time to go but she was intriguedand disarmed by his charm.
Obviously, that was a smooth line but generally like to wear
your skin and she's like, oh my God.
You like my skin clothes. You were wearing stockings
stockings would look good aroundyour neck.

(01:21:34):
What do you mean like a scarf? I like being choked.
Oh no. we just so they ended up the destruction of the podcast.

(01:21:54):
So dry humor to die humor. Like one, not the dice kind.
They ended up in Sandy's hotel room back.
They ended up in Sandy's hotel room and they're about to do the
do. But Paul again, like we had just
talked about before and all of his other things he couldn't get

(01:22:15):
it up so they just cuddled the rest of the night.
No. They just had a nice little
cuddle session. I bet she was little spoon.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like crying.
He's like, this doesn't happen all the time.
I promise. And then she's like, it's okay.
Honey. And he's like, can I be the
little spoon? Yeah.

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So yeah, it's pretty much just what he did.
So the next day he shaved off his mustache with dump this with
a stolen razor from them. Recent murder victim.
Yep. Carswell car.
He used the razor. So, you know, he's just using
all this stuff. So now, he's just being weird.

(01:22:57):
Yeah, and like car cars car. He did this.
He stole the car as well as car.Yep.
So they're weak. Yeah.
Cars Wells, cars car. Okay.
I mean I feel I feel terrible. Remember this scene from Cars.
It was a deleted scene so they're weaker so they're week

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or so, together was defined by As Fox described it in her book,
trying to ditch Paul and him being like a like Cowardly, Dog
and kept coming back, basically,she would say, I have to go to
this meeting. I have to go, I have to go
interview somebody for my mag for the magazine.
And I just got to go and he's like, well, I'll drive you, I'll

(01:23:40):
take you there. And he kept doing this over and
over and like showing up and being like, here's some
groceries, here's some things like basically she and her book
described it. Yeah, a child.
Bone in her book, described his she just kept like, kicking him
to the curb but he's like kept coming back.
And so you can actually read herbook which is called Natural
Born Killer which also honestly has some very terrible reviews

(01:24:04):
on Amazon but if you'd like to read the point of view on John
Paul or Paul John Knowles, please go ahead and read it.
So we're going to go ahead and Skip after Sandy Fox left them.
So she survived she basically eventually got rid of them and
it was pretty much. She just said, I'm gone, you
know? And nothing happened to her, she

(01:24:24):
lived One of the people that lived.
So on November 10th, Paul met James, and Susan.
Mackenzie a British couple who knew Sandy and felt sorry for
Paul after she basically kicked him to the curb, They saw that
he was now all alone and had no one to go to.

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As we know, this is pretty much what he deserves but they took
pity on him and form a nice friendly trusting relationship
with them. In one day, they formed a nice
friendly, trusting relationship with them.
The next day, Paul offered to drive, Susan to her hair
appointment and she said it's fine.

(01:25:10):
Like that's fine. And and James said like okay,
it's fine, like you're nice enough, go ahead and drive her
like she'd have a car. So they started driving Paul
pulled over a short distance from the house and then ask
Susan have sex with him. Like any person would do she
said no, it's so he pulled out his pistol and pointed it at

(01:25:36):
her. And I do want to say this is
awesome. So instead of cowering away from
it, she fought back, knock the weapon aside, Elia she tried to
get out of the door but before she could get out, he grabbed a
fistful of her hair, she broke loose and ran into the road,
damn, she waved down a passing motorist and Went straight to

(01:25:57):
the police with the description.Fuck.
Yeah girl. So she got away.
Hell yeah, Robert. The police just tried to kidnap.
Yeah, so the police put out of it.
He's interested in me, I'll sendhim a nice letter.

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The police put out a bulletin looking for the man named Daryl.
Golden which was, he gave them that named Erol golden, which I
just want to Say that's a prettyfucking cool name.
Yeah. Darrell golden and that severe
like. Yeah.
But like this is like this is like a guy's name.

(01:26:37):
No, it's like at the time it's going to be like um, yeah, so I
have a reservation for two undermr.
Golden sea. Yeah.
It's all about saying the last names and is that know I'll be
like, okay mr. Golden potato skin.
I do have a like a running like rule in life, which is Ever
trusted, Arrow, ever. Never trust them to say.

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We won't unpack that yet. Um, if you listen to next season
2 will unpack that. So, not too long after that, not
too long. After that a West Palm Beach
policeman recognized, the White Chevrolet Impala and pulled Paul
over. Paul pulled out a sawn-off

(01:27:21):
shotgun and pointed it at the officer.
It's not the same freaking officer that got his gun stolen.
But the officer drop to the ground underneath the door and
then just waited until Paul pulled away out again.
It's like reminds me of the movie Jingle All The Way with

(01:27:44):
Arnold Schwarzenegger when he keeps messing with this thing.
Yes, yes, there's sired by the autobiography of Robert Redford
round radius. So after he pulled away on the
same day that same day, he pulled up to the home of

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Beverly, Maybe. Who was a wheel challenge.
We're chair wheelchair-bound. Older woman, excuse me, Paul
introduced himself as Bob Williams from the IRS and asked
if he could come in first off, Ijust want to stop and say to
everyone. If there's someone at your door
saying they're from the IRS, do not let them in.

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Even if their do not have them in.
Yes, they will send it, they will send you mail.
But because she was older wheelchair-bound, she wanted to
not seem like she was not trusting of the government she
said okay please come on in but as soon as he crossed the

(01:28:49):
doorframe he changed his demeanor and told her he needed
a getaway car. She did not have a car, he's
just she told him her sister, she did not have a car.
So she told him her sister Barbara Tucker had a car and
would be home soon. So Paul just sat down and waited

(01:29:09):
patiently. I just wonder what that
conversation was like. She's like, he just sat there.
Are you from the IRS that up andbe like?
Hey, so we're actually here to make a fair losses as.
Yeah, we're repossessing your car.

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I don't have a car, your brother's car.
I don't have a brother at your sister's car.
She's going to be over in 20 minutes.
Okay? What I do want to say that I
think Paul. He's one of those guys that has
like an a great opening line, you know, he is like a really
great opening line, but after that opening line, he just falls
apart. You know, like I feel like,

(01:29:52):
because like he gets in and he'slike so excited.
He's like a got in and then he'slike, oh shit.
Now what do I do? Yeah, so then he pulls out his
gun and starts blasting. No, I mean he's he just, he just
kind of doesn't have the follow-up, so I feel like if he
was actually Robert Redford, he would probably be like When you
see a great trailer and then yousee the movie and you're like oh

(01:30:15):
man all the good parts of this were in the trailer.
Why do I need to see the movie? Mmm.
Yeah that makes. So after he waited patiently
Barbara, Tucker arrived. He tied Beverly up and force
Barbara to go with him to Fort Pierce and her Volkswagen at the
hotel. He again tried to rape her rape

(01:30:39):
her as were distinguishing this,but he couldn't get it up and
then he left her tied and gaggedin the hotel room and took the
car. So in the documentary, I watched
it was very short, very small documentary on YouTube.
She talks about that Never thought that he was going to
murder her. She just got that feeling that

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he wasn't going to murder her and she didn't know that this
guy was on the run for a lot of things and and she said it in a
weird way. She also didn't think, I think
it's just because he's a good-looking guy that she never
felt like it was it was trying to rape her which was kind of a
weird way for her to say this, you know.

(01:31:22):
And it was just I never understood why she was Talking
like this. But I think it's just because he
was a good-looking guy and so heleft her in the hotel room, she
got out of her binds and called the police again.
She gave the police a detailed ID and they finally got the name
of who they were looking for Paula Paul.

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John Knowles. Now, the police all over the
state were looking for him and apolice officer named Charles
Eugene, Campbell saw the Volkswagen.
He pulled him over and stopped the driver for questioning.
But like every other time Paul drew his gun before the officer

(01:32:04):
could even reach for his, I feellike Paul's, like a Billy the
Kid with police officers. So he all ordered the officer to
Cuff himself and get in the backof the patrol car.
Why is guilt dying? Because he wants to say it's the
same police officer. Like he has.
He does really just wanted the whole it is not the same police

(01:32:27):
officer. I'm picturing the same cup of
being relocated all across the country.
God damn. He just keeps.
He just says the Unlucky thing. So he then got in the front seat
and stole the police car and he left the Volkswagen on the side
of the road. So during the kidnapping a

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passing motorists noticed and called the police.
The police actually were not a were able to arrive in time.
Of course, couldn't get to thereand so Paul.
Smartly knowing he needed to getrid of the police car.
He's it to his Advantage, he pulled over a car, another car

(01:33:10):
with the police car driven by James May Meyer near wooded
area. He put Meyer and the officer
into the back of the Ford Gran Torino that he has stolen from
James Meyer, he then got back onhis way in the new car.
Paul pulled into a gas station in Lakeland, Georgia to buy some

(01:33:30):
cigarettes. The shop owner, rightly noticed
that a police officer was in theback of the car but then just
Shrugged and thought nothing of it.
He just sees a police officer kind in the back locked in the
back of the car. With this guy's going in there,
he's like, that's fine. Must be a stripper.
Yeah, must be the stripper. So, there's two people in the

(01:33:54):
back of this car. Now, after he just Shrugged it
off until later, he saw the reports of the crime and then
called the description of the new vehicle to the police.
So now, the police had a description of the vehicle.
The new vehicle that he's stolenthe next day on November 17th to
Georgia, sheriffs, all the blue Ford traveling on the highway

(01:34:18):
They set up roadblocks everywhere and didn't get a hit
until 110 that afternoon. Instead of surrendering, he went
out in the devil. Rejects way, lasting free bird
and busted through the barrier. After he busted through the
barrier, he crashed into a tree.He was hurt but not dead.

(01:34:43):
He jumped out and started running so the police searched
the car but could not find the trooper or James Mayer.
The police searched the woods but could not find anything on
Paul John Knowles. Eventually Knowles ended up out
of the clearing, on the homestead of David, Clark, Clark

(01:35:07):
grabbed his hunting shotgun and approached him.
He saw that this man was bleeding and exhausted all
simply told him, Please help me.So Clark took him to a
neighbor's house, where he, theycalled the police.
It was there. They finally took him into

(01:35:28):
custody. So the police inquired as to
where of course, James Mayer. And Eugene Campbell the trooper
were, but he would only say in quotations.
One word would reveal where the men were.
And quotations. Sadly to say both men were found

(01:35:52):
by hunters around Thanksgiving like the other one was both
handcuffed to a tree and shot inthe head execution-style.
Yeah. once they told Paul, they had found the men Paul smiled
and said, The word was Pabst. Looking at the area, there was a

(01:36:17):
Pabst Blue Ribbon brewery near where the men were killed.
Dude, this is a bag District. He is sadistic, so now he was
behind bars and waiting to be arraigned.
He called for his lawyer, as we mentioned before one Sheldon
yet. It's also got him out.

(01:36:41):
You have it, I call him. You have its.
But if it's the same guy who gothim out on parole before, so now
we can go back to the tapes thathe had stolen in the murder and
robbery early on. He recorded himself talking
about the people, he had murdered and what he had done.
He handed them over to Sheldon Javits.

(01:37:02):
Us and said that the lawyer could release them only after
his death. Because he wants to be famous,
he just wants everything to be like yeah.
Finally I get my get my moment of Fame.
The judge in the in the whole trial found out about the tapes.

(01:37:25):
And he ordered them to be released and to be used as
evidence. But you have, it said he could
not do to attorney-client privilege.
Imagine being a lawyer and having to defend somebody like
that. And you're like this girl's, you
know, put a very bad man behind bars, but the money or the same

(01:37:47):
or the, you know, some of them are public defenders to that are
kind of forced into it and that I will say that type of thing
where they kind of like a therapist.
You know they can judge ya there.
Yeah. Yeah, it's there.
And that's, that's kind of a, you know, I think a lot of them

(01:38:11):
just think that like everybody deserves a defense and a fair
chance and to be fair Summit. I mean, not this guy, this guy's
guilty as hell, but some people,we all know and we have seen are
put on death row, being innocent.
So everybody deserves a chance to be defend have a defense.

(01:38:33):
Yes, yes, yes, so to this, you know, you have it said that he
could not release the tapes thatwere given to him. the judge
said, well, you're going to go in contempt of court.
So you're going to jail. He the judge through.

(01:38:58):
Paul's, lawyer in jail for holding back evidence Tam.
The judge also through the lawyer's wife and to jail.
Why? Because they both wouldn't give
evidence, so they were put into jail for withholding evidence

(01:39:18):
from Court. Damn.
So the judge said, and I think this was a strategic move by the
judge, which is, it's kind of bad because the, the lawyer's
wife didn't do anything, but shealso wanted to like, you know,
say that like, I'm helping my husband.
I'm not going to release this aswell.
I'm fulfilling his wishes. But the lawyer said, okay, I

(01:39:42):
don't want my wife in jail, obviously like she did nothing,
so he said he would release the tapes.
But the lawyer could not post the 15 thousand dollar bail.
So the lawyer stayed in jail So now Paul John Knowles and his
lawyer are both in jail so much time.

(01:40:06):
So he landed defense so he had to have a public defender.
No smiled as he walked into the courtroom because people were
lining up on the courthouse, trying to get a view of what was
now deemed as the Casanova killer.
So a lot of people were just like in Richard Ramirez.

(01:40:26):
This case, they're riding him, they were watching him there
seeing this. It was a pretty well-to-do case
in Georgia in the area. So he was in the courtroom and
was pretty much set on heading to the electric chair which I do
want to write. They said The lawyer and him
were talking and he said, the last thing that he wanted to do

(01:40:46):
was ever be killed by electric chair.
He would rather be shot, would rather be strangled who would
rather be anything. He did not want to go to the
electric chair, too bad. Yeah.
Do you think those people wanteda exactly?
It's like, you don't get to choose.
Yeah, so Paul at this time, he had been a guest of the city

(01:41:07):
lockup for a while, which is kind of like a surprise, he's
not in State Penitentiary yet. So he was eventually transferred
to Douglas County Jail on December 4th.
Because they were said that theycould hold a person who had
actually escaped jail before. So a few weeks after his
transfer, on December 18th, Paultold, Sheriff lie and a bureau,

(01:41:32):
Bureau of Investigation, agent Ron, Angel Ron angel that he
would lead them to the service revolver of the officer that he
murdered which was a crucial piece of evidence in the case
and no it's not the same servicerevolver that he stole from the
other guy Gil. So they put him in the backseat

(01:41:52):
and Sheriff Lee drove. Paul had handcuffs securing his
wrists and ankles. They had travelled a bit down
the road and like a want to be James, Dean or Robert, Redford
Bad Boy, movie scene, Paul lit up a cigarette.
This guys are ridiculous. Yep.

(01:42:16):
So extra. Yeah.
The sheriff told him to hand thecigarette over Paul put out the
cigarette and then lunged forward.
He had picked the lock with a broken piece of paper clip.
He had stolen from the jail, Paul grabbed at the sheriff's
gun, which went off in the holster.

(01:42:38):
So he grabbed the gun took the in shot in the holster.
It did not hit the sheriff or the our investigation.
Sheriff Lee kept battling and hewas also driving trying to push
this guy back, so he's just sitting there with one hand on
his right hand pushing him back.Trying to Make sure that that
this guy doesn't get his revolver because it's going to

(01:42:59):
be like the other ones. He's just going to kill him and
get away again. So, Ron Angel being the angel in
the situation, pulled his gun and shot him three times.
Yeah. Right.
One bullet went into Knowles chest, hit a bone and exited his
right side. The second win in under his

(01:43:21):
right arm and the third bullet went in right into his brain.
The car skidded off the highway and into a small embankment.
P JK was dead. Yeah, Paul.
John Knowles was dead, and I think that if he had gotten the
gun of the sheriff, both the sheriff, and the agent would be

(01:43:43):
dead and he would be again on the Run.
He was dead and we were left with his tapes.
Justice was not served. They searched his jail cell and
found a few things scribbled on the walls in quotations.
This is what he wrote when this is over.

(01:44:03):
I will be more famous for even more.
So And then wrote pain Paul. John Knowles December 4th 1974
until question mark. Yeah, question mark, right?

(01:44:26):
And he was gone, a man who had afour-month reign of terror in
1974 pretty much from Florida. All the way to Nevada, he was
proven to have committed 18 murders, but could have killed
up to 31 people and he joined a huge list of serial killers in
the 1970s. But couldn't even make waves

(01:44:46):
until more recently because to me, he was a mustachioed just
little a Asshole and we'll see you next week.
Thanks for listening to the black cat report.
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