August 12, 2023 • 66 mins
Part 1 of our high-seas adventure begins with the origin of history's forgotten bada**es, Anne Bonny & Mary Read. Two pirates with strangely similar yet entirely different pasts. ARGHHHHHHH!!!! 🏴☠️
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(00:00):
Swish Swash. Swish.
Schwash. Feel the salt water on your face
and the wind on your back As your ship sails through the
ocean blue. You sing Yo ho, blow the man
down. Blow the man down to Liverpool
Town. It's the pirate's life for me.
You put up the canteen to your lips and suck down the last of
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the rum. Then you ask yourself, why's the
rum gone? It's time to enjoy the freedom
and the unsullied openness of the high seas as we take our
sloops to the pirate bays of theCaribbean.
I didn't see you there. Something big is going on here.
From hunting ghosts to Bigfoot, paranormal Ufo's, true crime and
(00:43):
more, we won't just be. Spouting articles I was
researching for your entertainment.
Beginning of a new World. The best squad you'll ever
fucking eat. True story.
It's basically like one day you walk outside and you see that
the ants are playing with matches this.
Is the blackout report see you on the other side?
(01:10):
Welcome to the Black Guy Report.Today we're going to delve into
Anne, Bonnie and Mary Reed, Queens of the Open high seas.
I'm Betsave, and with me today is Skill.
Hello and Joey. Our main source for today is
Pirate Queens. The Lives of Anne, Bonnie and
(01:30):
Mary Reid by Rebecca Alexandra Simon, as well as other sources
listed in the show notes. Before we get into Anne, Bonnie
and Mary Reid, we want to give some credits to the many, many
female Pirates that aren't talked about much due to well,
you know why? They're buckles.
I was gonna say, well, why? I actually don't know why super
(01:52):
fancy buckles because they're females in a male dominated
society and profession. Conspiracy, Joey.
Conspiracy, right? Yeah, I guess if you think about
it, the last Pirates of the Caribbean is when they finally
added a female pirate. That's true.
(02:14):
Yep. That is a great documentary that
explains a lot of what we're gonna cover today.
Yeah, they actually it's note for note historical fact.
Excuse me, almost Freudian slipped there.
I mean, they're great movies, though.
They are. They're entertaining.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie,it's one of my favorites.
(02:37):
Of course we have Johnny Depp orLinda Bloom here at Nightly.
I mean, it's a great cast for sure, and real life is the same
way. Yeah, I'm sure I should know
because. My family.
So yeah, a fun fact for everyonefrom my dad's side.
(03:03):
They were pirates. So yeah, just so you all know.
That explains a lot. I know, right?
Yeah, I'm not gonna follow up onthat.
It just, if you know Betsy Bay, it explains a lot.
And you will, Yeah. Basically, yes.
Yeah. So.
(03:23):
Anyways, the first recorded female pirate was Queen
Artemisia the First, who ran from 484 to 460 BC in Hella
Carnassus. Shortly after her son's birth,
her husband died and she startedwaging wars against neighboring
city states. Unlike their future
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counterparts, pirates also attacked on land as well.
She was pushed into the pirate'slife.
Due to her city state being attacked by an enemy and she
sailed out to attack with her troops because that's basically
what you do when that happens. Yeah.
So she actually sided with with Zerzis, the leader of Persia in
(04:05):
the Graco Persian War and foughtagainst Greece, which is very
interesting because she was bornin Greece and in one of the
naval battles she controlled 5 ships.
So she was one of the first likebasically women leaders to
control the Navy almost. And while she sunk a few Graco
ships, but in the battle it was planned so poorly by Jerseys and
(04:29):
his generals that they pretty much got wiped the floor of.
Just like most of the time when they fought the Greeks because
they were so well trained, they knew how to defend their own
land. Well, the only reason Artemisia
survived is because she rammed one of her own allies ships, the
Persian ships, to give the impression that she was on the
Greek side and then. She basically just left.
(04:51):
Yeah, I don't have insurance. Gotta go guys.
Yeah, it was such cool history about like a badass queen
pirate, and it was very cool. She just got she rammed, one of
her own allies shipped, and the guy, basically Zergzis, was just
like, I should have had her lead.
Wow, that sounds amazing. That leads us to our next early
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female pirate Tita of Illyria. She was very, very powerful and
after her husband's death, as always, she became the Queen
region. In 231 BC she sailed in like
Artemisia, joined her troops in raiding the coastlines and city
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states. She became so powerful she took
pretty much all of the coastlines of Greece, and even
the Romans took notice. They had originally said she was
just a nuisance. But she gained their full
attention after coastline's conquest.
Rome decided to wage war againsther, and because of not being
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supported by her governor, she was captured by the Romans and
then never written about again. Damn.
Wow. That's yeah, they they pretty
much either sent her into slavery or just killed her.
So not really sure nobody reallyknows what happened to her.
Yeah, It's like no matter how hard you work.
(06:17):
You go notice. Yeah, the Romans will come in
and fuck it up. They literally did.
Every goddamn time. Every time this leads us into
our stars of today's podcast andBunny and Mary Reed.
There's something different about them than the others.
Though Ann and Mary were not Queens or leaders of their
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people, which would make it easier for them to have a fleet
to war with. They were just normal people who
rose above their circumstances. They fought against the ceiling
of the male dominated world. Wow.
Female power. Anne Bunny and Mary Reid were
born in the Golden age of Piracy.
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Anne and Mary Reid were active during the time of Black Bear.
And our old buddy Steve Bunnett,our favorite that everybody
loved cuz he was so great. The only pirate that could lose
a battle to a ship that's stuck on land, yeah.
(07:22):
Yeah, hey, but you have heard ofhim?
Yes, I miss Steve. Me too.
He'll be brought up a lot duringthis episode.
Good. Because yes, he has a little
place in our heart. Because he has a heart on his
flag, which was always so cute. See, according to historians,
(07:49):
there were around 1700 to 2200 pirates on the high seas in
between 1718 to 1722. This does not count the many
female pirates that were not noted or written about.
So the number probably was a good bit higher.
It's with this information that we will get into the early life
(08:11):
of Ann and Mary. We will split them up and tell
each story until they reach NASAand finally meet.
Yay, yeah, they'll meet in a bit.
Hell yeah. It's like that love story.
Is it kind of like Xena, WarriorPrincess?
I don't actually know the story behind them, but these two?
There's a documentary on television.
(08:33):
I mean, it hasn't been on TV in a long time.
Neither did I watch the documentary on television nor
the TV show. Oh my God, which is?
Probably the same thing that's. What your 90s feminist icon TV
shows Xena, Warrior Princess, Who's the lead in that one?
She's. Also, Xena, I mean her real
name. Xena.
(08:54):
OK, it doesn't matter. I don't know.
I grew up as a little boy watching it.
So like, I'm assuming her real name Xena.
I also used to have an issue growing up of like, well, not
really like an issue, but let's just say imagination.
Where I thought until I was maybe like 18 years old, that
when you were watching television, actors were acting
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it out live every single time. I used to think that too when I
was not like 18 but when I was like 8.
Well, when I was eight I thoughtit, and when I was 8, aunt, when
I was about 18, I was on drugs. So like a kind of imsilent
style, yeah, that makes. Sense We'll start with Anne
Bunny, who was born in Kinsel County Court in Ireland, which
(09:39):
is in the southeast of Ireland, about 30 minutes from the city
of Cork. She was born to her father, who
was a lawyer, and her mom a maid.
Wow, yeah. Power couples, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Power.
It just. I was not expecting to hear that
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her dad was just a lawyer and her momma made like so normal
and. Her dad was like, lazy as fuck.
Yeah, well you'll see. Ohh.
Now there are a few mysteries surrounding her birth.
Some say she was born in Irelandand then moved to the Carolinas
after birth. And some say that she was born
(10:23):
in the Carolinas, but both versions had Aunt's mom as a
maid to her dad. Her mom's name was Peg, or in
some stories, her mom was married.
Her dad was named William Cormick, a very good lawyer in
the county court and was marriedin his early 20s with such
success. They had enough money to have a
(10:44):
housemate and they hired Peg. I see where they're gone with
it. Throughout her time in the
house, eventually, William slowly started showing Peg more
attention. And as things go in those days
and well, the way it went in, this was fuck.
(11:07):
I seem to have spooked my tea onthe ground again, Peg.
You went there. Wow.
How? Do you think she got the name
Peg? Just gonna say it.
I'm just gonna say it. We've all been thinking it.
I was not thinking. It you were, this was your idea.
In my mind, this was your idea. And as things go on those days
(11:31):
and well, the way when in the Schwarzenegger house, besides
the rape part, as pretty sure for Arnold, it was consensual,
but William pretty much raped her.
Things weren't going well in thehousehold before this, as
William and Mrs. Cormac was divorced and all but name.
(11:53):
Yeah, wow. Yeah, they were pretty much.
They were still living together,but they just weren't talking.
They weren't sleeping, they weren't touching.
So he put his attention more towards Peg and not really told
in the story. Whether it was consensual didn't
feel like it because obviously he was her boss and she, you
(12:16):
know, had to work there because she had no other prospects at
the time. So in that, in my mind, I feel
like that was kind of pretty much raper, you know, raped her
in that. And so I will say the author
described a kind of sweet story,though not between them two, but
that she met a Tanner outside ofthe house and they kind of had
(12:38):
this small little love story that was sweet.
And with, you know, everything going on in the maid house, she
would like leave at the time because she was actually allowed
to leave, which which was a normal thing in these times
because obviously they had to get married with other people.
And it was like kind of acceptedthat they would do that.
So she met this Tanner in town while she was there and they
would like steal away. And she'd go out and meet them
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on like random nights and they'dlike, steal kisses and they'd
like, hug and they'd like talk about everything going on.
And so it's just like the sweet little love story inside of, as
we'll see, this really, really messed up story that's about to
happen for PEG. No.
Wow. Yeah.
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Well, so scandalous. How big was this house that they
were able to do all this? 434 bedrooms, it's pretty decent
sized. He was a well to do lawyer, so
he had some good money coming in.
Yeah, so they had space. Cool.
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But anyways, eventually Mrs. Cormack found out about William
and Peg, and Mrs. Cormack set upPeg for stolen silverware and
silver because she wanted Peg out of the house, even though it
was not her fault. She was blamed.
But such was the time. Of course, they had no saying
like because they had no what dothey call it?
(14:06):
Like autonomy. Yeah.
Peg was labeled a whore and a thief.
Oh my God, so terrible. Like, it sucks because like,
you're just doing your job. You're just living your life,
minding your own business. And then that happens.
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You know, she was the one that got taken advantage of.
I know. Poor Peg.
Oh, my God. And then Peg was sent to prison.
Come on. Wow.
And of course, William was not too happy.
He had actually started to grow feelings for a PEG and
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eventually kicked out Mrs. Cormack from the house.
It's messy. If there's any story that I've
heard, this is like a a, this islike a what is that a Spanish
telenovela? Yeah, telenovela.
Like this is like a telenovela. Honestly.
(15:09):
Like damn, it's soap opera. Yeah, this is great.
Like, we should send this to Televisa.
So, yeah, so Mrs. Cormack got kicked out of the house and Peck
stayed in jail for six months and in that time discovered that
she was pregnant. Because Mrs. Cormack blamed Peg
for what happened with William, she could not bring up charges
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against William for rape. She literally was stuck in a
rock and a hard place. Because she could either be
hanged or released to serve as labor in the colony.
But as she was pregnant and didn't have enough evidence
against her, she was acquitted well on May 8th, 1697 and was
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born as Pegg came back to William's house because she had
no other place to go, she said, being given gifts by William and
being Revere as the mistress of the house.
Although eventually Ann will be treated and dressed as a boy due
to illegitimate boys being treated better than illegitimate
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girls at this time. God damn.
Wow. Yeah, it's really sad because
you know, as we're talking about, like William knew that
she wasn't going to inherit anything, so.
Wow. Talk about trauma.
(16:38):
The way it goes at that time, Miss Aliens?
Yeah, me too. Yeah, sorry, sorry if this is
triggering. Anyone listening to this, Yeah,
sorry. And could receive anything that
was passed down as a boy, so shewas treated as such.
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Well, throughout this time William and Mrs. Cormack were
fighting back and forth and Mrs.Cormack was basically setting
out to ruin his life, which I mean is warranted in this case.
He lost all his customers and his business, so William decided
it was time to go. They moved out to London and and
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continue learning as an apprentice clerk.
They weren't there for very longwhen William again decided it
was time to move again, this time to the New World.
They moved to Charlestown, whichbecame Charleston, SC Once they
got to the New World, it's so funny to think that that area
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was the New World. That's what they called it.
Like, wow, the New World. Charles White Man's version of
it, right? Yeah.
Can't wait to do that to Mars. Out the new world blah blah blah
blah blah blah. Get the fuck out of here.
Dot dot dot dot dot dot. They only speak in Morris code,
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yeah. Probably.
Once they get to the new world, William and Peg marry.
Whether because, whether, because Peg had no control over
her life due to not having any money or an identity, basically.
Yeah, she wasn't able to get away from William, but who
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knows? Maybe they were in love.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
We weren't there. We don't know their story.
I want to think that they were in love.
OK, Yeah. But it's like it's different.
It's like anyone from the outside never knows what's
really on the inside, you know? Yeah, that's true.
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So and I will I will also say that women at this time like.
It was almost impossible for women to get away from their
husbands at this time. In general, yeah, there is only
a few things that could be grounds for divorce and it was
infidelity, but that was mostly on the woman's side.
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If they were found to have infidelity and that was men kind
of were swept under the rug for having infidelity.
Case in point of what we're justseeing right now.
And then also if they were abused for the IT was, the
wording was weird. It wasn't like, just if they
were abused, but it was their abuse for a good part of their
marriage, which meaning there probably has to be a long set of
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abuse in their record, maybe like years of abuse instead of
being like, oh, he beat me once,like we need to divorce.
It's more like, no, I've been beaten for like years and there
has to be like super good evidence of that happening.
So it's like there's very, there's not much recourse for
women at this time. They were considered property
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and that'll come up later on in the in the podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really fucked up back
then. But I'm a romantic, so I wanna
think that they were in love. Yeah, just because that would be
nice. That at least Peg had a good
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love story. Yeah, well, not too long after
they got to the New World. About a couple weeks I got sick
and died. Come on, I.
Guess. Yeah, yeah.
That's kind of so sad. So sad.
Yeah. Like I was just trying to be
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like, optimistic about Peg and her love story.
And then she gets sick and die. The timing was perfect.
I just, it was perfect. She had this like beautiful life
and they like grew old together.And a couple weeks later, she
got. Damn it.
Yeah ohh Peg. Peg, She's pegging now in
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heaven. Yeah, well, that's a happy
ending for Peg. I guess she went to heaven.
So sad at this time. Anna was about 10 years old and
it was about 1707. Growing up in Charlestown, she
was exposed to a lot of maritimetraditions and would even see
pirates hanging in the downtown area.
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So cool. So fun.
It's like, over there with, likelike, Bob Dylan fucking Ray Bans
On, like, smoking a cigarette. Like signing autographs for
little kids. Like, what is this about?
Yeah, yeah. Get outta here, kid.
Yeah. Yeah.
Don't be like me. So cool.
Yeah, so cute. I know.
I still think that's so cute. Did you see his buckles?
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Wow. Yeah, his hat.
Look at his boots. Yeah.
I mean, this was the costume, aswe learn in the Seed in the Seed
Bonnet series, she was all, I love it.
Like always, trying to find likeyou gotta bring back a little
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bit here and then yeah, to bringback you.
Gotta bring back our buddy. That's so great.
We love him so much. Big fan.
I'm gonna write fan fiction about Steed Bonnet versus the
and then it's just gonna like, go back through our episodes
like just like Steed Bonnet versus the Van Mita Visitor.
Yes, yeah. No Steed bonnet versus Who was
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the guy who traversed the Flat Earth and the ice wall?
You're captain. Butler, Yes.
Steven Bonnet versus Captain Butler got a great.
That's a good match. That's a Liberty Death match for
the history. Oh, my gosh, Steve.
Bonnet versus Quaska. Quaska.
(22:45):
Yeah, they were both. They were both gentle, gentle
thing aliens. Yeah.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Do it. Clausgow kind of Is the steed
bonnet of space. Yes.
Yes, you're so small match made and that happens them both so
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much. So much.
Somebody make us fan shirts, please.
Yeah, Okay. Yes, okay.
Thank you guys. So and she was also educated
with some of the best teachers due to William not being a
plantation owner and again as successful businessman.
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In order to teach her more they made and become a housemaid of
course which is a weird thing todo as her father had money.
But in order to learn to do things as a lady and being over
the age of our governess, she was made to be a housemaid.
This is so it's a weird thing. Yeah, it's weird.
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It's like, what? Yeah, like, is this really
necessary? I would, I would just, like, be
like, no, this doesn't make any sense.
It was while doing this that shegained her strong will to rebel.
She hated the dresses, she hatedthe decorum, and she wanted
freedom. Yes, she did.
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So there was a story at this time, too.
That when she was a housemaid that she was almost raped by the
master of the household and as they were called, her dad.
No, that when Anne was the housemaid, she was almost raped
by the person that she was the maid of the house for, which was
a different house, not her dad'shouse.
(24:33):
Okay. I thought it was weird.
Yeah, that's an important. Thing to realize in this.
Is that she was literally almostraped by this guy and she just
beat the shit out of him. Hell yeah.
Did you almost? Put this guy in the hospital and
then right after that she was quickly fired.
That was just like a. Saw and chlorophyll or like
(24:56):
chloroform back Chlorophyll. There's leaf cells that was just
like a saw and like chloroform back in the day.
A hospital? Like so like.
Yeah, that would have been such good justice.
No, it was so good that she's like, that was such a great
story because she it showed at this time like like we said that
she is literally like, I'm not taking shit anymore.
I don't want to be this station that my mom was in.
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I don't want to be the. Station of just some governess,
some lady of what I have to whatI feel like I should be doing,
yeah. Y'all's lies don't make any
goddamn sense. I'm gonna make up my own.
Yeah, that's right. Good for you, Ann.
Well, while she grew older, at around 16, she will go to the
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docks during the night and meet up with Navy men and pirates
alike. Wow.
Cool. Well, it was there She met a man
named. I was hoping it would be Mr.
Bonnet he met. She met a man named James
(26:03):
Bonnie. He was honestly not a very good
mariner. He was just OK, I hope.
Yeah, he was just OK. He was just man, just OK Yeah,
he's just OK. Well, William was furious about
this and banished her from his home as he desired.
And to be married to another more well to do person I
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understand after they kick out their.
Wife and get get together as heras a maid.
Like, what the fuck dude? As as you can see, it's a very
toxic cycle. Yeah, from William.
Yeah, he basically wanted some money.
There is also a story during this time that Ann lit fire to
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her dad's place so it didn't do much.
Did pretty much put her prospects gone and being
banished from her home. James and her sell for NASA to
meet Destiny. Yep, she was on her way.
Well, she lit the she. Lit the fire to his house and it
just it was quickly put out. She was like pissed you know cuz
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he was like get out of the houseyou're done, you need to leave.
And so she was like, fuck you, Dad.
And she went and just like, lit fire.
But she didn't think about it enough.
It was kind of just like one of those, like, almost like
childish kind of things you do when you're like, I hate my
parents, you know? And you just like, yeah, she
kind of threw it. She didn't want it to burn the
whole house down or like, kill anybody.
She just, like, kind of wanted to make a point.
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And so it just, like, didn't really do much to the house.
I feel like we all did that backin the day.
Sweetie, this is a stone driveway.
What are you doing? Fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I'm going with my pirate
boyfriend out there. Say fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
He's not even that good. Sweetie, please.
I think that's the funny part. Is funny.
Yeah, he's like, literally just OK.
Like he's he's no Blackbeard. I don't care.
I think he's like on the scale because like if I I make pirate
scale right, My first pirate scale is Blackbeard, right?
He's. Funny.
Ours, yeah. He's like top.
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And then you have on the bottom,you have Steve Bonnett, you have
Steve Bonnett. And so he's like in the middle
of those two. He might be like just below the
middle. I feel like he's not.
He's like Steve Bonnett with common sense, yeah.
Yeah, like he doesn't have, like, the quirky, almost like,
you know, like serendipitous, like witty, kind of like happy
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accidents happening to him. But he's just one step above it.
Like he knows that like. He knows you should lift the
seat up on the toilet when you're plunging it.
Like that's how much smarter he is than Steve.
Yeah, yeah. And he comes back in the story
later too, which is kind of funny.
Yeah, this is. Great.
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You know that. You know, like her dad, like
William would have been like. Honey, I'm serious if you would
just marry that that nice boy over there.
What is it, black fuzz? Blackbeard.
Yes, he he seems going to be doing fine.
I just want you to do well, honey.
It's like, yes, this is really bad if you are known
historically as being, yeah. B minus just OK.
(29:23):
C Minus. He's a good 4 1/2, yeah.
It was so embarrassing. Yeah, damn.
Well, I have a feeling there's something, there's a lot more
exciting things in store, yeah, but definitely.
That don't involve, well, mediocre Mariners.
Just. OK, yeah, I just love that he
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was just OK. Now that Anne is set in her
place in NASA, let's go into Mary's beginnings.
Mary's mother was a Mary workingclass woman.
Her husband was killed at sea after they found that she was
pregnant, so she had barely any money coming in and a newborn
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baby. Due to this, Mary could not make
bills, so she started getting support from her husband's
family. Basically, they gave her just
enough to get by. What is sad about this is that
she was actually madly in love with her husband.
Aw, yeah, yeah, that's rare. Yeah, right.
(30:30):
Yeah, obviously. Unlike the other story of aunt's
parents. So sad.
While she was still grieving, she met another sailor.
And what is most likely, and what is most likely her trying
to still feel closer to her deceased husband.
They started having a little fun.
Well, a little fun back then meant that she became pregnant.
(30:55):
Attracts. Yeah.
And so they gave birth to a healthy baby girl.
Baby girl, baby girl. Due to this being looked down
upon, she would actually give her daughter to neighbors when
family will come visit. No, she's so ashamed.
So now I tell her they didn't have a baby.
Yeah. So what's sad about it is that
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she actually. Had a son before this with the
husband. And so the husband didn't
actually get to meet the boy either, and the family got to
meet the boy. It was named Mark.
So the boy's name is Mark. Yeah.
And we'll go into like, the the dynamics between what happened.
But it's it's it's really sad. Like her whole family massage at
(31:40):
this point was just so sad. So sad, I'm.
So excited. This is just a very sad story.
Yoho Yeah, this is like the sad version of Pirates of the
Character. It's Pirates of the Carolinas,
(32:02):
yeah. Pirates of the Carolinas, yeah.
Yo, episode name. Come on.
That's it. That's it.
There you go. Perfect.
By God, that's the most average pirate I've ever seen.
C Linus Maybe deep. Plus, maybe not too long after
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giving birth to Mary, her son got sick and died.
Of course. God damn it, of course, Yeah,
they. Dress her up like a boy and try
to pass her off as her son when the family came.
Now, I mean always give me that look smart.
Joey's giving me the look. And you'll just see in a few
seconds. I'm just really confused about
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why people are getting mad aboutdrag these days when I'm just
saying the history shows this isnot an American tradition.
Much it happens so much in Britain.
It happens so much in these days.
Technically not the way it is used now.
It was bore more out of necessity because they, I know
very traumatic it. Is a necessity.
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Thank you. Very much.
Well, it's. I just mean that they're they
were forced to. They didn't do it because they.
Wanted to You know what? I mean, have you met a drag
queen? Have you seen drag Queens?
18 hours of makeup is not done out of love or passion.
You were being forced to. It is in your chemistry.
Yeah. No, I yeah.
Well, Mary's mother just said itwas time to pick up and head out
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to the country while they were out in the country.
While they were out in the country, they survived on her
friend's cherry, but eventually it ran out and she had to head
back to the city. Her inlaws did not know that
Mark was dead. And because they didn't know
Mark was dead, and they also didn't know that Mary even
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existed. No, she pretended that Mary was
smart. Yeah, No, there you go again.
Just like an aunt's story. Mary was treated as Mark and she
was dressed as a boy and treat it like a boy.
This work. And Mary again started receiving
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money from the inlaws again. Oh, you got a boy and then he.
Gets money. Literally.
Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah.
Well, eventually, Mary's mom feared that Mary will eventually
realize that she was not a boy, obviously.
So she told Mary. Those two gross on his chest
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that he has a thyroid condition.Damn it.
I told you, yeah. Yeah, she told Mary, And freedom
was turned to chains and shirts were turned to dresses.
She was, well, you guessed it. Send into a house to be a maid.
The parallels and these stories are just so ridiculous, I know.
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And like the the way that it wastold in the story is that Mary
was like, she loved wearing likepants.
She loved wearing shirts. I mean, even though, like she
still knew that she was in a waydifferent than what she was
told, she, she still loved wearing that stuff because it
was, it was different. And she loved the freedom that
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came with being a man and even aboy in these times compared to
being a woman and that she was allowed to do other things.
She was allowed to go out of thehouse.
But when she was decided that she was, you know, like, okay,
No, you're a woman and a female in this time.
You have to live these within these certain set of rules and
so. I will also throw out there to
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kind of like I guess piggyback on that a little bit.
How can that not condition you to feel like a major sense of
relief, you know? And not saying like pants aren't
great, they are, you know, but I'm saying like, how can it not
condition you though where it's just like the stuffy uptightness
literally being owned? Like literally straight up.
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Like the highest placement you can get in society is by some
fucking rich asshole who beat the fucking shit out of you and
just constantly sleep around like on you.
That's the highest you could go,you know?
And like, it's that. Or like then when you put on
pants, it's like you could just walk down the street and be like
hi neighbor and just like fucking climb a tree and run
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around and do kid shit, you know, like which one?
So it's like, of course, like, Idon't know, I would just, I
would put on a pair of pants. And that'd be like that first
drag of a cigarette in the morning to me that, yeah, like
this is perfect. And I don't know, pretty much,
yeah. But like, yeah, it makes sense.
But like I said, pants are fucking great.
It's not weird that they thoughtpants were great, but like, the
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conditioning involved in this because it's so, so stark.
The differences, you know, between like a little boy and a
little girl or like, you know, teenage boy, teenage girl or
whatever. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when she had made enough
money to leave from being a housemate, she basically said
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this life came for me. So she tore of her dress and
bought a shirt and pants, cut her hair short and went to
London. As you would.
Yeah, luckily for her, there wasa war going on for the War of
the Grand Alliance. It's funny that this war.
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Luckily for her, there was a wall.
Yeah. It's a way to get away though,
like in those times, like as as Alex, you know, as Alexander
Hamilton said. Yeah.
And you know, it's basically forhim.
It was a way to rise above your station is to go to.
This war was basically France versus the rest of Europe.
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This was due to the expansion ofFrance under Louis the 14,
whereas he was more happily known as the Sun King.
Well, in the TV show he's it's Louis the 14th and he's
expanding France and pretty mucheveryone gets really pissed at
him because he's literally taking territory from the third
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Germanic. People, that is so long.
Yeah, yeah. It's absurd.
Yeah, he was taking, he was taking land from the British
people that they had won like the last 12 to 16 years.
And so everyone was like, Oh no,they're actually taking back
what is now modern day France. And they're weird little shoes
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and hats and. And why is everything horizontal
stripes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody knows.
And they're crossbows. At these vimes.
Yeah, they were just pretty pissed about them.
So it was very, I mean, like he was just basically he had a
vision and I really admire this because he had a vision and he
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was doing everything possible toturn this vision into like
reality. And I thought that was really
cool, even though the way he didit was very, in a like a selfish
way. But like, I get what he was
going for, you know? Yeah, like if we if we can make
the the comment that all kings did almost everything in a very
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selfish way. So yeah, I would, you know, like
he had like a beautiful vision. It wasn't like everybody, just
very everything he did was like beautiful.
That's why I always said that hewas a beautiful boy is
everything. He there was beautiful.
I mean if you go to or just see pictures of like what it looks
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like now, like it's it's just it's heaven.
Hmm. It's a weird way to defend
saying the phrase beautiful boy bets a Bay, but um.
I'll think. Well, I guess if you connect the
Catholic Church in heaven and the beautiful boy, then you you
it all connects there. A lot of things are making sense
right now. Alright, so there was a
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beautiful boy vision. That drew them into war.
That drew them into terrible warwhere poor people died.
As it always happens. We.
Well, Mary now was a cabin boy. Damn it.
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Like, what the fuck? It just gets better, she.
Didn't graduate very far. I guess that's like kind of a
step up. At least they think she's a boy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, she's she's moving forward with this.
She was a cabin boy on a overcrowded, sick and nasty
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ship. Which was?
That was gross. Which was, to be fair, most
ships on the high seas around this time.
I couldn't imagine any other way.
But yeah, she kept the position for a few years until the war
for Spanish Succession started. Okay.
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Can we talk about the fact that she would rather?
Be on an overcrowded slash 6 slash nasty ship.
Then to be wearing dresses and being and just basically being a
girl. Like she'd rather do that
instead of just being a girl. That's that tells you everything
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I'm gonna say, like, legitimately.
I'm getting like, strong queer vibes from her and like, fuck
yeah, like she might have just straight up like been queer or
like been trans. And it's been like I would
literally rather live my life covered in shit than like live
as a woman. Yeah, because, like, I'm not,
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you know, But yeah. Well, I mean she.
I mean, she was raised as a boy,so that's her identity.
Like, what do you expect? Like, what Did you just It might
have also been right. I mean, like you were raised as
a girl and that's your identity,you know what I'm saying?
Like it may have just hit the nail on the head at the time
like. And but I we'll find out too
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that like she like both of these, both of these people, you
know, Mary and Ann both just wanted freedom and they.
Wanted to. Live a different life.
And as a woman in this time period, they literally could not
live this life that they wanted.And so they're.
Search for Freedom is what I love about the story too is that
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they did whatever it took to getto this freedom, no matter if it
was like living on a shit covered boat which was sick and
they were literally doing the worst jobs on the boat as a
cabin boy and and she was doing like literally you know,
marrying people she didn't want to marry just to get to the
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place that they wanted to go. And so it shows you just the
legitimacy of their feelings in this and that's.
Why it also? Makes me love them more.
So she was like, what was she about 16 at the time of this?
Is that right? I think she's about 16.
Yeah, they're in that time. They're both about 16.
She's like, what? What would that be like three or
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four years into like having her first period?
My God, that's true. Like, so fucking awkward with
that. Have been to be like because
like, Mom's dad, like, everything's fucked up, you
know, like you're not allowed toidentify out like publicly,
right. And like, you're having a
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period. And that had to be awkward.
That's all I'm saying. I had to be like, oh, damn it,
I'm like, I need to go see a doctor right now.
I'm bleeding. We'll get into a few paragraphs
of how. She got away with it and how she
was like, I got shot again. They're like he's been shot 47
times since I've known him like.And for some reason, once a
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month, Once a month, I tell you what, that full moon is bad news
for Mary. I mean, Margaret.
I mean Mark. I mean, what's your name this
week, you know? Margaret.
Margaret. Margaret.
That full moon gets you like, sorry.
I just realized that I'm like, that'd be fun.
It's like shit covered down and out and now you're bleeding.
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It's just like, damn, you're like my.
Stomach. I mean, I drank too much last
night with the boys, Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't do that.
This is giving me Mulan vibes too, when she pretends to be a
boy. Eddie Murphy's not even there to
help you as a tiny dragon. I know.
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This started in 1702 and Mary found this as a great chance to
get off the terrible conditions of a ship.
Thank God. Mary arrived and Flanders
friends and started off as a cadet and she still had no
experience and was young. She was still going under the
assumption that she was a boy and due to the dress of the
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British Army at the time, white jackets and layers, she would
get by and not be found out. Thank God for layers and she was
found out. She would have been arrested and
court martialed. She was about to move up the
ranks, but sadly in those days you had to pay to be an officer.
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So she moved into cavalry. She became actually quite good
at using the horse, but she wouldn't be long at hiding
herself. It was here that she fell in
love with one of her. Of course.
She fell in love with one of herCalvary mates.
Because, I mean, the way they were dressing.
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Come on. The hair, the eyes.
Of course. What is that here?
Is that she couldn't reveal herself as a woman to the men
she fell in love with. Oh, my God, this is so tragic.
Yeah, I love you, bro. Yeah.
Like what? Slowly she started performing
badly and then she was held backfrom a battle.
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While watching the battle, she decided she hold on, hold on,
hold on. Like, like failing your test
back in the day meant that you weren't allowed to go to battle
on the weekend. Like what the.
No, no, no, no. Do you?
Yeah, you got Paul Marks, so youneed to go back to school and
it's like, what? Sir, I want to go to battle on
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the weekend. No, not until you pass your
exams. Yeah, a lot of it was like
marksmanship and things like that and following orders and
things like that. She just.
At the time, she just wasn't doing good.
She was slowly fading in and out.
And because of that, it was an honor to go into battle at this
time. You know, like that was their
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pay. That was their life.
And you know, that's how you getpromoted.
That's how she got into the Calvary.
She was very, very good at what she did.
But slowly, just because her mind was drifting, she just
wasn't. She wasn't able to be.
She was in love. And she was in love and she
like, but she couldn't tell thisperson, so she was grieving too.
So she literally couldn't focus on things going on.
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And it was this would be the same for for the guy, even
though, but he didn't know that he would love her or that she
was a woman. And he didn't know that he was
like, they had a, a, a. It was funny because, like the
other soldiers described it, as you could tell, there was like a
tiny bit of attraction. But none of them really knew
why. They thought they were just kind
of, like really good friends. And you know what if this and it
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was at this time and they thought the same thing, that
like both of them were just she was like I I was in love with
this guy. And the guy was like, oh, no,
you're just like in it. Like you're you're such a good
friend. I can tell you everything.
It's kind of that one thing you talk about now.
You know and. And eventually we'll find out
what they were super gay for each other.
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While watching the battle, she decided she wouldn't let him die
or be wounded without her, so she charged in.
I'm sorry, but this this really does just feel like you managed
to flunk that math test and you weren't allowed to play in the
big game on Friday night in highschool or something.
Yeah, she's just like, I'm like sitting on this side is like
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people like fighting in the background, getting.
Killed and stuff and there's a cannons exploding and she's
like, God, I need to study like,what the fuck do to the war,
yeah? Due to this, she was thrown into
solitary for this after she got out and back to the tent with
the men she loves. She reveal herself to him that
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night and they made love. Literally, yeah.
She like, she basically put her put his hand on her chest and
then he like, oh, oh boobies. Yeah, yeah.
It was very like a big thing, you know?
Dial. Oh hot look at his breasts.
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Oh my my. Bifocals Mary and her Mary and
her lover decided to get married.
Cute. They went to get married and
surprisingly enough, their company made surprised them
having actually figure out she was a woman beforehand.
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They were just like we we kind of knew it was really fun.
They didn't tell the like officers and stuff because
obviously the officers would have kicked her out and like.
This is this is Mulan basically.Yeah, the the company mates were
just like, we like, they're just, like, looking at each
other, like elbowing each other,like, come on, you know, we knew
this was going to happen. Yeah, you're just like, you ever
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notice how she always goes behind a Bush and squats right
here? Literally, literally every time
we pee? Am I the only one here that's
had a sister? Come on.
Yeah, I know. I know, it's hilarious.
This is so cute though. Super cute.
Yeah, so yay, a kind of happy little thing.
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They decided it was time to leave the army and settle in a
near and settle in a nearby towncalled Prada in Netherlands.
They open a Tavern and many of their old army buddies will
frequent the Tavern. Oh this is so cute.
Well, this was. Not to last because he's a fan
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of either a couple months or a year.
Her come on. Her husband fell ill and passed
away. Really.
Yeah, Joey. Why?
Really. Because it's so sad and I feel
so bad, but it's so it's not ironic.
It's just like it leads them to become the people who they are,
which just sucks because like, they they.
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They love these people and thesepeople in their lives that they
really love, like her mom, you know, they get to the new world
and they're like, finally we getto start a new life and then.
And then? Anne's mom dies and then there
and then Mary's like, finally I get to start a new life.
I can finally, like do these awesome things and then wow,
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like my husband dies And so liketheir lives get up ended in
these like wild. Ways that just make it so that
they have to okay now I gotta change completely, you know?
Yeah, yeah. So we're sensing A trend here.
This seemed to happen a lot in those days.
Yeah, because she couldn't own anything as a woman in this
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time. And, well, for a long time
afterwards, the Tavern was takenaway from her.
Yeah, well, she decided to head back into the Army.
But this time she wouldn't be asgood as before.
She came back into the army again as Mark Reed.
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Well, due to this she was released from the army and so it
was time for her to go back to the Navy.
She found a merchant ship in Amsterdam under Mark Reed.
She got a contract to work. She went on a ship headed for
the Caribbean filled with cocoa and sugar.
Well, you asked, how did she getby in such close quarters
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without being found out? She was a woman and thrown off
the ship. Well, first she figured out how
to scream up the yard arms and up the masks to fix things
without falling or injuring herself, which was honestly
easier said than done. She hurt her.
If she hurt herself, she risked others finding out she was a
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woman. Second, many ships had young
boys in them, and they will climb easier and fit into
smaller places to fix things. So she used this and passed off
as an adolescent boy. Third, due to the rather filthy
way ships were, her face was mostly covering dirt 4th.
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Well, she was in pirate clothing.
She wore trousers and loose shirts and coats.
She wore a handkerchief around her neck.
Long hair also is normal among all pirates. 5th and the
funniest one to hide herself wasshe peed.
She will use this sort of makeshift funnel so that it will
be like a spout, so it will looklike she was being like a male
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pirate. Yeah, they still make those.
Yeah, they still make those, Yeah.
Isn't it called like the shewee?I think so.
Yeah, also to your question earlier about how she hide how
she hit her period. A lot of what was told by the
author. A lot of pirates ended up having
gonorrhea and like Std's and sexually transmitted.
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Diseases and they would have a lot of blood stains on their
pants and so it made it seem like.
She was just normal because the pirates were diseased.
They're always kind of laid. Do you see how much they bleed?
And I'm always laid and so. They just she.
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I can't even work today. My abdomen hurts so bad from
being laid. Yeah, And so that was another
way how she hid that part of herself.
Wow. Yeah, I could not do that.
Well, anyways, after that brief detour, let's get back to Mary
on the sea. While sailing W, they eventually
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were caught by pirates. It turned out that pirates were
English, and her being the only English person on board, she
joined the pirates on their ship.
Obviously, while still under theidentity of Mark, she kept
working on the pirate ship. Well, eventually, as was told in
the Sea Bonnet story. The governor gave reprieve for
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all pirates and her crew took it.
They kept sailing around and eventually they decided it was
time to head to NASA. It's around the year 1718 and
James and Anne have arrived in NASA.
NASA was a place that was right in the shipping lanes of the
slave trade and sugar cane trade.
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This was a great place for all pirates to set up and recruit.
So all numbers of famous pirateswould travel and set up shop
here. NASA saw such amazing pirates as
Edward Teach or better known as our baddest friend Black Beard,
a rich and sometimes doofy friends.
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Steve Bonnett. Benjamin Hornigal.
Sometimes doofy. I'm pretty sure it was our doofy
and sometimes rich friends team.Basically, it was like, what do
they call a Comic Con but for pirates?
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This was, yes, literally Pirate Con.
Yeah, it. Was Pirate Con.
I love it. We need to create that if it's
not a. Thing Yeah, pirates are the
Carolinas. Yes.
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
So basically it was Pirate Con. Everyone was there, All the cool
pirates, of course, our stars ofthe show, and Bonnie and Mary
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Reid. Ann had sailed with James for
six years and she loved it. She saw the freedom in it, and
that freedom couldn't be stampedout.
She was a quick learner and she will play with guns and train
with swords. James, however, was not happy
with this. Slowly, Ann and James drifted
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apart because he was, as as we know, average.
He was unhappy that he had not gotten the money from her dad
that he felt he was owed. When they decided to get to
NASA, James decided that he was done with her.
Wow. He broke up with her.
Kind of wow. Anne wanted to stay on the sea
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and get on a new boat, but Jameswas resentful.
They toll around NASA for a while, and eventually something
will happen that will literally put her at odds with her
husband. James took up a job under the
governor of NASA to hunt down pirates.
She was well, let's just say shewasn't too happy to find out
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this knowledge. So Anne decided she would spend
her time in Taverns. Taverns were a place for her to
gain knowledge and fulfill a bitof her loss for the sea.
While she was hanging out in Taverns, her life would change
by the chance of meeting of 1 pirate.
That pirate was the name of JackRack.
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He was captain of the crew of the Dread Pirate Charles Fang.
His nickname was Calico Jack. He was named this because of his
penchant for wearing really niceand fine clothing no matter the
situation. All right, well, to me this guy
is like a way better version of like Steve Bonnet.
He literally shows up with like a badass, like Zz's top style,
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like suit on. And then he just like stabs you
and like he's just like walking past you and says hey, looks
like you need a little bit of a handkerchief there, What do I
need? Then he just like stabs him in
the chest and just like keeps walking.
Then he's like cleaning himself off, like I have some lent on my
wool, like just a very fabulous steed bonnet.
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That again, he's this guy out ofanybody is like probably
striking, like he's probably scoring like a C + C + B minus
somewhere. I would say he's like a C plus.
He's a he's a lot better than James.
He's also a lot he's, but he's way, he's better than Steve
Bonnett, but he's not as good ashe's like historically known in
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the Olympics as like finishing in 3rd place, you know.
Yeah, still on the record. Literally.
Still really good. But like quite gold, you know.
So yeah, yeah, Pulling up on andthe last name for his nickname,
Calico. Well, Calico Jack was actually a
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good tactician. During one raid of a Spanish
ship, he and his men waited until nightfall and snob onto
the ship. There were only a few people
guarding, and they were tied up and gagged.
Then they proceeded to rob the entire ship.
When the Spanish woke up the next morning, they were a little
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embarrassed to find their Why dowe sleep so hard at night?
I told you not to get melatonin from Walmart yesterday.
God damn it. Like, how hard did you have to
sleep to not notice your entire ship getting wrong?
This was the style of Calico Jack, like a Kitty.
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Yeah, Kitty cat. I love that he had style.
I think I would have had a crushon on him because of that.
Yeah. It's like, oh, you dress cool,
nice. It was at the Tavern that Jack
and Anne with me and fall in love like some kind of Titanic
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love story. They bonded.
Jack had just taken the pardon for pirates, so he had time on
his hand. He fell in love with Anne
because of her fiery temper and personality.
She drank like a soldier and sore like a sailor, great
qualities, so he was immediatelyattracted to her.
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So in the spring of 1720, they decided they wanted to marry.
But as most people are staying right now, wait, she's already
married? Literally.
So the Pirates were like, whoa, bro, not cool.
You know, she's like, technically married, Not.
Cool. They haven't signed papers, so
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they approached James and asked to annul the marriage.
Well, to their surprise, James said he will only if they will
pay him a huge sum. Of course he's not stupid to do
this. They will have to basically put
her up for sale. So as we Yes, of course.
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So as we look at this, in this time, women were property, as we
can see here. Well, rack and pay James.
But James went back on his promise.
So what were they to do? They snuck away and out of the
high seas as pirates. They stole a ship called the
William, and just like all pirates, apparently they
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christened it. Well, can anyone guess that's
right? The revenge?
Literally the same name as SteveBondage.
Ship this one with a more legitimate back story behind it.
Yes, literally. Yeah, this one with an actual
revenge story and that's some like half hearted, stupid ass
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revenge plot that he created. And it's it's just like can
every ship even like Blackbeard ship is called the Queen Anne's
Revenge. Like it's literally every ship
is like, I will have my revenge on whatever for no reason.
Oh no, Sir. It's the revenge.
Which one? Yeah, which one we're chasing
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after Revenge Part 2 part. Do it.
Damn it. Like pirates.
Why would they care about that? Like, I feel like, OK, so she
was married, but they're piratesis like, who cares?
Like, Like go. I mean they.
Still have to go to, They still have to go to ports.
They still have to do this and they still, it's like a
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paperwork thing. Still, it's still a it's it's a
pride thing, too, because. Like he's still like they if
they retire. Like if Calico Jack retires, he
still needs and they can actually be chased down like by
governs, governors. And people can put out bounties
on them for this, for like stealing a wife, stealing a
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husband and things like that. So they can actually get, like,
chased down, They can get thrownin jail, they can get beat like
they they wanted to do things bythe book and like as much as it
hurt. Rackham's pride.
Captain Rackham's pride. He still said this is the only
way that I can, like, actually be married to legally and not
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have to worry about a lot of like red tape and people chasing
me get the girl of my my my dreams, the girl that I love so.
I want to point out here like this is something that's so
different between like honestly basically up until like Biggie
and Tupac died. But like, revenge used to be
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such a legitimate, like emotion and motivation in the world.
Like, isn't that weird? Like, am I the only one thinks
about that? It's like we kind of just like.
Legally, legally and. Motivation and nobody has time
for revenge anymore, right? I don't know.
This is just weird to me. It's just like this used to be
such a major part of history andthen they had to exact revenge
(01:04:42):
on so and so. Like it used to be such a major
thing, and now it's just kind oflike, I ain't got time for that.
I don't know. Yeah, I feel like revenge now.
Is like I'm living a better lifethan I was before then and.
Yeah, it's so fucking healthy. I hate it like it's I want.
It's not as like physical. I want to get revenge on.
I don't know. I'm going to think about that.
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Find out in Part 2 when we finish up this episode.
But there's some murkiness around the timeline here.
Before they got out to see Calico, Jack needed to get a
good crew, so he sent Ann down to Cuba for a bit to hideaway.
In some stories, Ann was confirmed pregnant and sent down
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to Cuba to have the baby, which was then either sent to her
father to raise or adopted by locals.
Other stories say that she hid out there to let the rod of her
husband James Bond pass. Bracken picked her back up and
went back to NASA to get his screw due to Ann's knowledge of
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a lot of the pirates in the areafrom her time in the Taverns and
on the open sea. Robin had her help recruit the
crew. And it's here that Ann hire one
Mark Reed. So interestingly enough, she
would be allowed to go under hername, Mary Reed.
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And it's here. We will stop and continue the
tale next week as we ride the high seas with some of the most
fear pirates in the high seas and Bunny and Mary Reed.
Thanks for listening to the Black Cat Report in Episode 58
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Welcome to the Black Guy Report.Today we're going to delve into
Anne, Bonnie and Mary Reed, Queens of the Open high seas.
I'm Betsave, and with me today is Skill.
Hello and Joey. Our main source for today is
Pirate Queens. The Lives of Anne, Bonnie and
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Mary Reid by Rebecca Alexandra Simon, as well as other sources
listed in the show notes. Before we get into Anne, Bonnie
and Mary Reid, we want to give some credits to the many, many
female Pirates that aren't talked about much due to well,
you know why? They're buckles.
I was gonna say, well, why? I actually don't know why super
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fancy buckles because they're females in a male dominated
society and profession. Conspiracy, Joey.
Conspiracy, right? Yeah, I guess if you think about
it, the last Pirates of the Caribbean is when they finally
added a female pirate. That's true.
(02:14):
Yep. That is a great documentary that
explains a lot of what we're gonna cover today.
Yeah, they actually it's note for note historical fact.
Excuse me, almost Freudian slipped there.
I mean, they're great movies, though.
They are. They're entertaining.
Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie,it's one of my favorites.
(02:37):
Of course we have Johnny Depp orLinda Bloom here at Nightly.
I mean, it's a great cast for sure, and real life is the same
way. Yeah, I'm sure I should know
because. My family.
So yeah, a fun fact for everyonefrom my dad's side.
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They were pirates. So yeah, just so you all know.
That explains a lot. I know, right?
Yeah, I'm not gonna follow up onthat.
It just, if you know Betsy Bay, it explains a lot.
And you will, Yeah. Basically, yes.
Yeah. So.
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Anyways, the first recorded female pirate was Queen
Artemisia the First, who ran from 484 to 460 BC in Hella
Carnassus. Shortly after her son's birth,
her husband died and she startedwaging wars against neighboring
city states. Unlike their future
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counterparts, pirates also attacked on land as well.
She was pushed into the pirate'slife.
Due to her city state being attacked by an enemy and she
sailed out to attack with her troops because that's basically
what you do when that happens. Yeah.
So she actually sided with with Zerzis, the leader of Persia in
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the Graco Persian War and foughtagainst Greece, which is very
interesting because she was bornin Greece and in one of the
naval battles she controlled 5 ships.
So she was one of the first likebasically women leaders to
control the Navy almost. And while she sunk a few Graco
ships, but in the battle it was planned so poorly by Jerseys and
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his generals that they pretty much got wiped the floor of.
Just like most of the time when they fought the Greeks because
they were so well trained, they knew how to defend their own
land. Well, the only reason Artemisia
survived is because she rammed one of her own allies ships, the
Persian ships, to give the impression that she was on the
Greek side and then. She basically just left.
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Yeah, I don't have insurance. Gotta go guys.
Yeah, it was such cool history about like a badass queen
pirate, and it was very cool. She just got she rammed, one of
her own allies shipped, and the guy, basically Zergzis, was just
like, I should have had her lead.
Wow, that sounds amazing. That leads us to our next early
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female pirate Tita of Illyria. She was very, very powerful and
after her husband's death, as always, she became the Queen
region. In 231 BC she sailed in like
Artemisia, joined her troops in raiding the coastlines and city
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states. She became so powerful she took
pretty much all of the coastlines of Greece, and even
the Romans took notice. They had originally said she was
just a nuisance. But she gained their full
attention after coastline's conquest.
Rome decided to wage war againsther, and because of not being
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supported by her governor, she was captured by the Romans and
then never written about again. Damn.
Wow. That's yeah, they they pretty
much either sent her into slavery or just killed her.
So not really sure nobody reallyknows what happened to her.
Yeah, It's like no matter how hard you work.
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You go notice. Yeah, the Romans will come in
and fuck it up. They literally did.
Every goddamn time. Every time this leads us into
our stars of today's podcast andBunny and Mary Reed.
There's something different about them than the others.
Though Ann and Mary were not Queens or leaders of their
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people, which would make it easier for them to have a fleet
to war with. They were just normal people who
rose above their circumstances. They fought against the ceiling
of the male dominated world. Wow.
Female power. Anne Bunny and Mary Reid were
born in the Golden age of Piracy.
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Anne and Mary Reid were active during the time of Black Bear.
And our old buddy Steve Bunnett,our favorite that everybody
loved cuz he was so great. The only pirate that could lose
a battle to a ship that's stuck on land, yeah.
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Yeah, hey, but you have heard ofhim?
Yes, I miss Steve. Me too.
He'll be brought up a lot duringthis episode.
Good. Because yes, he has a little
place in our heart. Because he has a heart on his
flag, which was always so cute. See, according to historians,
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there were around 1700 to 2200 pirates on the high seas in
between 1718 to 1722. This does not count the many
female pirates that were not noted or written about.
So the number probably was a good bit higher.
It's with this information that we will get into the early life
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of Ann and Mary. We will split them up and tell
each story until they reach NASAand finally meet.
Yay, yeah, they'll meet in a bit.
Hell yeah. It's like that love story.
Is it kind of like Xena, WarriorPrincess?
I don't actually know the story behind them, but these two?
There's a documentary on television.
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I mean, it hasn't been on TV in a long time.
Neither did I watch the documentary on television nor
the TV show. Oh my God, which is?
Probably the same thing that's. What your 90s feminist icon TV
shows Xena, Warrior Princess, Who's the lead in that one?
She's. Also, Xena, I mean her real
name. Xena.
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OK, it doesn't matter. I don't know.
I grew up as a little boy watching it.
So like, I'm assuming her real name Xena.
I also used to have an issue growing up of like, well, not
really like an issue, but let's just say imagination.
Where I thought until I was maybe like 18 years old, that
when you were watching television, actors were acting
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it out live every single time. I used to think that too when I
was not like 18 but when I was like 8.
Well, when I was eight I thoughtit, and when I was 8, aunt, when
I was about 18, I was on drugs. So like a kind of imsilent
style, yeah, that makes. Sense We'll start with Anne
Bunny, who was born in Kinsel County Court in Ireland, which
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is in the southeast of Ireland, about 30 minutes from the city
of Cork. She was born to her father, who
was a lawyer, and her mom a maid.
Wow, yeah. Power couples, Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Power.
It just. I was not expecting to hear that
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her dad was just a lawyer and her momma made like so normal
and. Her dad was like, lazy as fuck.
Yeah, well you'll see. Ohh.
Now there are a few mysteries surrounding her birth.
Some say she was born in Irelandand then moved to the Carolinas
after birth. And some say that she was born
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in the Carolinas, but both versions had Aunt's mom as a
maid to her dad. Her mom's name was Peg, or in
some stories, her mom was married.
Her dad was named William Cormick, a very good lawyer in
the county court and was marriedin his early 20s with such
success. They had enough money to have a
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housemate and they hired Peg. I see where they're gone with
it. Throughout her time in the
house, eventually, William slowly started showing Peg more
attention. And as things go in those days
and well, the way it went in, this was fuck.
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I seem to have spooked my tea onthe ground again, Peg.
You went there. Wow.
How? Do you think she got the name
Peg? Just gonna say it.
I'm just gonna say it. We've all been thinking it.
I was not thinking. It you were, this was your idea.
In my mind, this was your idea. And as things go on those days
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and well, the way when in the Schwarzenegger house, besides
the rape part, as pretty sure for Arnold, it was consensual,
but William pretty much raped her.
Things weren't going well in thehousehold before this, as
William and Mrs. Cormac was divorced and all but name.
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Yeah, wow. Yeah, they were pretty much.
They were still living together,but they just weren't talking.
They weren't sleeping, they weren't touching.
So he put his attention more towards Peg and not really told
in the story. Whether it was consensual didn't
feel like it because obviously he was her boss and she, you
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know, had to work there because she had no other prospects at
the time. So in that, in my mind, I feel
like that was kind of pretty much raper, you know, raped her
in that. And so I will say the author
described a kind of sweet story,though not between them two, but
that she met a Tanner outside ofthe house and they kind of had
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this small little love story that was sweet.
And with, you know, everything going on in the maid house, she
would like leave at the time because she was actually allowed
to leave, which which was a normal thing in these times
because obviously they had to get married with other people.
And it was like kind of acceptedthat they would do that.
So she met this Tanner in town while she was there and they
would like steal away. And she'd go out and meet them
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on like random nights and they'dlike, steal kisses and they'd
like, hug and they'd like talk about everything going on.
And so it's just like the sweet little love story inside of, as
we'll see, this really, really messed up story that's about to
happen for PEG. No.
Wow. Yeah.
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Well, so scandalous. How big was this house that they
were able to do all this? 434 bedrooms, it's pretty decent
sized. He was a well to do lawyer, so
he had some good money coming in.
Yeah, so they had space. Cool.
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But anyways, eventually Mrs. Cormack found out about William
and Peg, and Mrs. Cormack set upPeg for stolen silverware and
silver because she wanted Peg out of the house, even though it
was not her fault. She was blamed.
But such was the time. Of course, they had no saying
like because they had no what dothey call it?
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Like autonomy. Yeah.
Peg was labeled a whore and a thief.
Oh my God, so terrible. Like, it sucks because like,
you're just doing your job. You're just living your life,
minding your own business. And then that happens.
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You know, she was the one that got taken advantage of.
I know. Poor Peg.
Oh, my God. And then Peg was sent to prison.
Come on. Wow.
And of course, William was not too happy.
He had actually started to grow feelings for a PEG and
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eventually kicked out Mrs. Cormack from the house.
It's messy. If there's any story that I've
heard, this is like a a, this islike a what is that a Spanish
telenovela? Yeah, telenovela.
Like this is like a telenovela. Honestly.
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Like damn, it's soap opera. Yeah, this is great.
Like, we should send this to Televisa.
So, yeah, so Mrs. Cormack got kicked out of the house and Peck
stayed in jail for six months and in that time discovered that
she was pregnant. Because Mrs. Cormack blamed Peg
for what happened with William, she could not bring up charges
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against William for rape. She literally was stuck in a
rock and a hard place. Because she could either be
hanged or released to serve as labor in the colony.
But as she was pregnant and didn't have enough evidence
against her, she was acquitted well on May 8th, 1697 and was
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born as Pegg came back to William's house because she had
no other place to go, she said, being given gifts by William and
being Revere as the mistress of the house.
Although eventually Ann will be treated and dressed as a boy due
to illegitimate boys being treated better than illegitimate
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girls at this time. God damn.
Wow. Yeah, it's really sad because
you know, as we're talking about, like William knew that
she wasn't going to inherit anything, so.
Wow. Talk about trauma.
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The way it goes at that time, Miss Aliens?
Yeah, me too. Yeah, sorry, sorry if this is
triggering. Anyone listening to this, Yeah,
sorry. And could receive anything that
was passed down as a boy, so shewas treated as such.
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Well, throughout this time William and Mrs. Cormack were
fighting back and forth and Mrs.Cormack was basically setting
out to ruin his life, which I mean is warranted in this case.
He lost all his customers and his business, so William decided
it was time to go. They moved out to London and and
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continue learning as an apprentice clerk.
They weren't there for very longwhen William again decided it
was time to move again, this time to the New World.
They moved to Charlestown, whichbecame Charleston, SC Once they
got to the New World, it's so funny to think that that area
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was the New World. That's what they called it.
Like, wow, the New World. Charles White Man's version of
it, right? Yeah.
Can't wait to do that to Mars. Out the new world blah blah blah
blah blah blah. Get the fuck out of here.
Dot dot dot dot dot dot. They only speak in Morris code,
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yeah. Probably.
Once they get to the new world, William and Peg marry.
Whether because, whether, because Peg had no control over
her life due to not having any money or an identity, basically.
Yeah, she wasn't able to get away from William, but who
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knows? Maybe they were in love.
Maybe, maybe not. Who knows?
We weren't there. We don't know their story.
I want to think that they were in love.
OK, Yeah. But it's like it's different.
It's like anyone from the outside never knows what's
really on the inside, you know? Yeah, that's true.
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So and I will I will also say that women at this time like.
It was almost impossible for women to get away from their
husbands at this time. In general, yeah, there is only
a few things that could be grounds for divorce and it was
infidelity, but that was mostly on the woman's side.
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If they were found to have infidelity and that was men kind
of were swept under the rug for having infidelity.
Case in point of what we're justseeing right now.
And then also if they were abused for the IT was, the
wording was weird. It wasn't like, just if they
were abused, but it was their abuse for a good part of their
marriage, which meaning there probably has to be a long set of
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abuse in their record, maybe like years of abuse instead of
being like, oh, he beat me once,like we need to divorce.
It's more like, no, I've been beaten for like years and there
has to be like super good evidence of that happening.
So it's like there's very, there's not much recourse for
women at this time. They were considered property
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and that'll come up later on in the in the podcast.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really fucked up back
then. But I'm a romantic, so I wanna
think that they were in love. Yeah, just because that would be
nice. That at least Peg had a good
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love story. Yeah, well, not too long after
they got to the New World. About a couple weeks I got sick
and died. Come on, I.
Guess. Yeah, yeah.
That's kind of so sad. So sad.
Yeah. Like I was just trying to be
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like, optimistic about Peg and her love story.
And then she gets sick and die. The timing was perfect.
I just, it was perfect. She had this like beautiful life
and they like grew old together.And a couple weeks later, she
got. Damn it.
Yeah ohh Peg. Peg, She's pegging now in
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heaven. Yeah, well, that's a happy
ending for Peg. I guess she went to heaven.
So sad at this time. Anna was about 10 years old and
it was about 1707. Growing up in Charlestown, she
was exposed to a lot of maritimetraditions and would even see
pirates hanging in the downtown area.
(21:17):
So cool. So fun.
It's like, over there with, likelike, Bob Dylan fucking Ray Bans
On, like, smoking a cigarette. Like signing autographs for
little kids. Like, what is this about?
Yeah, yeah. Get outta here, kid.
Yeah. Yeah.
Don't be like me. So cool.
Yeah, so cute. I know.
I still think that's so cute. Did you see his buckles?
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Wow. Yeah, his hat.
Look at his boots. Yeah.
I mean, this was the costume, aswe learn in the Seed in the Seed
Bonnet series, she was all, I love it.
Like always, trying to find likeyou gotta bring back a little
(22:02):
bit here and then yeah, to bringback you.
Gotta bring back our buddy. That's so great.
We love him so much. Big fan.
I'm gonna write fan fiction about Steed Bonnet versus the
and then it's just gonna like, go back through our episodes
like just like Steed Bonnet versus the Van Mita Visitor.
Yes, yeah. No Steed bonnet versus Who was
(22:24):
the guy who traversed the Flat Earth and the ice wall?
You're captain. Butler, Yes.
Steven Bonnet versus Captain Butler got a great.
That's a good match. That's a Liberty Death match for
the history. Oh, my gosh, Steve.
Bonnet versus Quaska. Quaska.
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Yeah, they were both. They were both gentle, gentle
thing aliens. Yeah.
Oh my God. Oh my God.
Do it. Clausgow kind of Is the steed
bonnet of space. Yes.
Yes, you're so small match made and that happens them both so
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much. So much.
Somebody make us fan shirts, please.
Yeah, Okay. Yes, okay.
Thank you guys. So and she was also educated
with some of the best teachers due to William not being a
plantation owner and again as successful businessman.
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In order to teach her more they made and become a housemaid of
course which is a weird thing todo as her father had money.
But in order to learn to do things as a lady and being over
the age of our governess, she was made to be a housemaid.
This is so it's a weird thing. Yeah, it's weird.
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It's like, what? Yeah, like, is this really
necessary? I would, I would just, like, be
like, no, this doesn't make any sense.
It was while doing this that shegained her strong will to rebel.
She hated the dresses, she hatedthe decorum, and she wanted
freedom. Yes, she did.
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So there was a story at this time, too.
That when she was a housemaid that she was almost raped by the
master of the household and as they were called, her dad.
No, that when Anne was the housemaid, she was almost raped
by the person that she was the maid of the house for, which was
a different house, not her dad'shouse.
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Okay. I thought it was weird.
Yeah, that's an important. Thing to realize in this.
Is that she was literally almostraped by this guy and she just
beat the shit out of him. Hell yeah.
Did you almost? Put this guy in the hospital and
then right after that she was quickly fired.
That was just like a. Saw and chlorophyll or like
(24:56):
chloroform back Chlorophyll. There's leaf cells that was just
like a saw and like chloroform back in the day.
A hospital? Like so like.
Yeah, that would have been such good justice.
No, it was so good that she's like, that was such a great
story because she it showed at this time like like we said that
she is literally like, I'm not taking shit anymore.
I don't want to be this station that my mom was in.
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I don't want to be the. Station of just some governess,
some lady of what I have to whatI feel like I should be doing,
yeah. Y'all's lies don't make any
goddamn sense. I'm gonna make up my own.
Yeah, that's right. Good for you, Ann.
Well, while she grew older, at around 16, she will go to the
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docks during the night and meet up with Navy men and pirates
alike. Wow.
Cool. Well, it was there She met a man
named. I was hoping it would be Mr.
Bonnet he met. She met a man named James
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Bonnie. He was honestly not a very good
mariner. He was just OK, I hope.
Yeah, he was just OK. He was just man, just OK Yeah,
he's just OK. Well, William was furious about
this and banished her from his home as he desired.
And to be married to another more well to do person I
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understand after they kick out their.
Wife and get get together as heras a maid.
Like, what the fuck dude? As as you can see, it's a very
toxic cycle. Yeah, from William.
Yeah, he basically wanted some money.
There is also a story during this time that Ann lit fire to
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her dad's place so it didn't do much.
Did pretty much put her prospects gone and being
banished from her home. James and her sell for NASA to
meet Destiny. Yep, she was on her way.
Well, she lit the she. Lit the fire to his house and it
just it was quickly put out. She was like pissed you know cuz
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he was like get out of the houseyou're done, you need to leave.
And so she was like, fuck you, Dad.
And she went and just like, lit fire.
But she didn't think about it enough.
It was kind of just like one of those, like, almost like
childish kind of things you do when you're like, I hate my
parents, you know? And you just like, yeah, she
kind of threw it. She didn't want it to burn the
whole house down or like, kill anybody.
She just, like, kind of wanted to make a point.
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And so it just, like, didn't really do much to the house.
I feel like we all did that backin the day.
Sweetie, this is a stone driveway.
What are you doing? Fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I'm going with my pirate
boyfriend out there. Say fuck, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it.
He's not even that good. Sweetie, please.
I think that's the funny part. Is funny.
Yeah, he's like, literally just OK.
Like he's he's no Blackbeard. I don't care.
I think he's like on the scale because like if I I make pirate
scale right, My first pirate scale is Blackbeard, right?
He's. Funny.
Ours, yeah. He's like top.
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And then you have on the bottom,you have Steve Bonnett, you have
Steve Bonnett. And so he's like in the middle
of those two. He might be like just below the
middle. I feel like he's not.
He's like Steve Bonnett with common sense, yeah.
Yeah, like he doesn't have, like, the quirky, almost like,
you know, like serendipitous, like witty, kind of like happy
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accidents happening to him. But he's just one step above it.
Like he knows that like. He knows you should lift the
seat up on the toilet when you're plunging it.
Like that's how much smarter he is than Steve.
Yeah, yeah. And he comes back in the story
later too, which is kind of funny.
Yeah, this is. Great.
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You know that. You know, like her dad, like
William would have been like. Honey, I'm serious if you would
just marry that that nice boy over there.
What is it, black fuzz? Blackbeard.
Yes, he he seems going to be doing fine.
I just want you to do well, honey.
It's like, yes, this is really bad if you are known
historically as being, yeah. B minus just OK.
(29:23):
C Minus. He's a good 4 1/2, yeah.
It was so embarrassing. Yeah, damn.
Well, I have a feeling there's something, there's a lot more
exciting things in store, yeah, but definitely.
That don't involve, well, mediocre Mariners.
Just. OK, yeah, I just love that he
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was just OK. Now that Anne is set in her
place in NASA, let's go into Mary's beginnings.
Mary's mother was a Mary workingclass woman.
Her husband was killed at sea after they found that she was
pregnant, so she had barely any money coming in and a newborn
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baby. Due to this, Mary could not make
bills, so she started getting support from her husband's
family. Basically, they gave her just
enough to get by. What is sad about this is that
she was actually madly in love with her husband.
Aw, yeah, yeah, that's rare. Yeah, right.
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Yeah, obviously. Unlike the other story of aunt's
parents. So sad.
While she was still grieving, she met another sailor.
And what is most likely, and what is most likely her trying
to still feel closer to her deceased husband.
They started having a little fun.
Well, a little fun back then meant that she became pregnant.
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Attracts. Yeah.
And so they gave birth to a healthy baby girl.
Baby girl, baby girl. Due to this being looked down
upon, she would actually give her daughter to neighbors when
family will come visit. No, she's so ashamed.
So now I tell her they didn't have a baby.
Yeah. So what's sad about it is that
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she actually. Had a son before this with the
husband. And so the husband didn't
actually get to meet the boy either, and the family got to
meet the boy. It was named Mark.
So the boy's name is Mark. Yeah.
And we'll go into like, the the dynamics between what happened.
But it's it's it's really sad. Like her whole family massage at
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this point was just so sad. So sad, I'm.
So excited. This is just a very sad story.
Yoho Yeah, this is like the sad version of Pirates of the
Character. It's Pirates of the Carolinas,
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yeah. Pirates of the Carolinas, yeah.
Yo, episode name. Come on.
That's it. That's it.
There you go. Perfect.
By God, that's the most average pirate I've ever seen.
C Linus Maybe deep. Plus, maybe not too long after
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giving birth to Mary, her son got sick and died.
Of course. God damn it, of course, Yeah,
they. Dress her up like a boy and try
to pass her off as her son when the family came.
Now, I mean always give me that look smart.
Joey's giving me the look. And you'll just see in a few
seconds. I'm just really confused about
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why people are getting mad aboutdrag these days when I'm just
saying the history shows this isnot an American tradition.
Much it happens so much in Britain.
It happens so much in these days.
Technically not the way it is used now.
It was bore more out of necessity because they, I know
very traumatic it. Is a necessity.
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Thank you. Very much.
Well, it's. I just mean that they're they
were forced to. They didn't do it because they.
Wanted to You know what? I mean, have you met a drag
queen? Have you seen drag Queens?
18 hours of makeup is not done out of love or passion.
You were being forced to. It is in your chemistry.
Yeah. No, I yeah.
Well, Mary's mother just said itwas time to pick up and head out
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to the country while they were out in the country.
While they were out in the country, they survived on her
friend's cherry, but eventually it ran out and she had to head
back to the city. Her inlaws did not know that
Mark was dead. And because they didn't know
Mark was dead, and they also didn't know that Mary even
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existed. No, she pretended that Mary was
smart. Yeah, No, there you go again.
Just like an aunt's story. Mary was treated as Mark and she
was dressed as a boy and treat it like a boy.
This work. And Mary again started receiving
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money from the inlaws again. Oh, you got a boy and then he.
Gets money. Literally.
Yeah, yeah, basically. Yeah.
Well, eventually, Mary's mom feared that Mary will eventually
realize that she was not a boy, obviously.
So she told Mary. Those two gross on his chest
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that he has a thyroid condition.Damn it.
I told you, yeah. Yeah, she told Mary, And freedom
was turned to chains and shirts were turned to dresses.
She was, well, you guessed it. Send into a house to be a maid.
The parallels and these stories are just so ridiculous, I know.
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And like the the way that it wastold in the story is that Mary
was like, she loved wearing likepants.
She loved wearing shirts. I mean, even though, like she
still knew that she was in a waydifferent than what she was
told, she, she still loved wearing that stuff because it
was, it was different. And she loved the freedom that
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came with being a man and even aboy in these times compared to
being a woman and that she was allowed to do other things.
She was allowed to go out of thehouse.
But when she was decided that she was, you know, like, okay,
No, you're a woman and a female in this time.
You have to live these within these certain set of rules and
so. I will also throw out there to
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kind of like I guess piggyback on that a little bit.
How can that not condition you to feel like a major sense of
relief, you know? And not saying like pants aren't
great, they are, you know, but I'm saying like, how can it not
condition you though where it's just like the stuffy uptightness
literally being owned? Like literally straight up.
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Like the highest placement you can get in society is by some
fucking rich asshole who beat the fucking shit out of you and
just constantly sleep around like on you.
That's the highest you could go,you know?
And like, it's that. Or like then when you put on
pants, it's like you could just walk down the street and be like
hi neighbor and just like fucking climb a tree and run
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around and do kid shit, you know, like which one?
So it's like, of course, like, Idon't know, I would just, I
would put on a pair of pants. And that'd be like that first
drag of a cigarette in the morning to me that, yeah, like
this is perfect. And I don't know, pretty much,
yeah. But like, yeah, it makes sense.
But like I said, pants are fucking great.
It's not weird that they thoughtpants were great, but like, the
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conditioning involved in this because it's so, so stark.
The differences, you know, between like a little boy and a
little girl or like, you know, teenage boy, teenage girl or
whatever. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, when she had made enough
money to leave from being a housemate, she basically said
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this life came for me. So she tore of her dress and
bought a shirt and pants, cut her hair short and went to
London. As you would.
Yeah, luckily for her, there wasa war going on for the War of
the Grand Alliance. It's funny that this war.
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Luckily for her, there was a wall.
Yeah. It's a way to get away though,
like in those times, like as as Alex, you know, as Alexander
Hamilton said. Yeah.
And you know, it's basically forhim.
It was a way to rise above your station is to go to.
This war was basically France versus the rest of Europe.
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This was due to the expansion ofFrance under Louis the 14,
whereas he was more happily known as the Sun King.
Well, in the TV show he's it's Louis the 14th and he's
expanding France and pretty mucheveryone gets really pissed at
him because he's literally taking territory from the third
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Germanic. People, that is so long.
Yeah, yeah. It's absurd.
Yeah, he was taking, he was taking land from the British
people that they had won like the last 12 to 16 years.
And so everyone was like, Oh no,they're actually taking back
what is now modern day France. And they're weird little shoes
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and hats and. And why is everything horizontal
stripes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody knows.
And they're crossbows. At these vimes.
Yeah, they were just pretty pissed about them.
So it was very, I mean, like he was just basically he had a
vision and I really admire this because he had a vision and he
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was doing everything possible toturn this vision into like
reality. And I thought that was really
cool, even though the way he didit was very, in a like a selfish
way. But like, I get what he was
going for, you know? Yeah, like if we if we can make
the the comment that all kings did almost everything in a very
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selfish way. So yeah, I would, you know, like
he had like a beautiful vision. It wasn't like everybody, just
very everything he did was like beautiful.
That's why I always said that hewas a beautiful boy is
everything. He there was beautiful.
I mean if you go to or just see pictures of like what it looks
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like now, like it's it's just it's heaven.
Hmm. It's a weird way to defend
saying the phrase beautiful boy bets a Bay, but um.
I'll think. Well, I guess if you connect the
Catholic Church in heaven and the beautiful boy, then you you
it all connects there. A lot of things are making sense
right now. Alright, so there was a
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beautiful boy vision. That drew them into war.
That drew them into terrible warwhere poor people died.
As it always happens. We.
Well, Mary now was a cabin boy. Damn it.
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Like, what the fuck? It just gets better, she.
Didn't graduate very far. I guess that's like kind of a
step up. At least they think she's a boy.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, she's she's moving forward with this.
She was a cabin boy on a overcrowded, sick and nasty
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ship. Which was?
That was gross. Which was, to be fair, most
ships on the high seas around this time.
I couldn't imagine any other way.
But yeah, she kept the position for a few years until the war
for Spanish Succession started. Okay.
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Can we talk about the fact that she would rather?
Be on an overcrowded slash 6 slash nasty ship.
Then to be wearing dresses and being and just basically being a
girl. Like she'd rather do that
instead of just being a girl. That's that tells you everything
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I'm gonna say, like, legitimately.
I'm getting like, strong queer vibes from her and like, fuck
yeah, like she might have just straight up like been queer or
like been trans. And it's been like I would
literally rather live my life covered in shit than like live
as a woman. Yeah, because, like, I'm not,
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you know, But yeah. Well, I mean she.
I mean, she was raised as a boy,so that's her identity.
Like, what do you expect? Like, what Did you just It might
have also been right. I mean, like you were raised as
a girl and that's your identity,you know what I'm saying?
Like it may have just hit the nail on the head at the time
like. And but I we'll find out too
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that like she like both of these, both of these people, you
know, Mary and Ann both just wanted freedom and they.
Wanted to. Live a different life.
And as a woman in this time period, they literally could not
live this life that they wanted.And so they're.
Search for Freedom is what I love about the story too is that
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they did whatever it took to getto this freedom, no matter if it
was like living on a shit covered boat which was sick and
they were literally doing the worst jobs on the boat as a
cabin boy and and she was doing like literally you know,
marrying people she didn't want to marry just to get to the
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place that they wanted to go. And so it shows you just the
legitimacy of their feelings in this and that's.
Why it also? Makes me love them more.
So she was like, what was she about 16 at the time of this?
Is that right? I think she's about 16.
Yeah, they're in that time. They're both about 16.
She's like, what? What would that be like three or
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four years into like having her first period?
My God, that's true. Like, so fucking awkward with
that. Have been to be like because
like, Mom's dad, like, everything's fucked up, you
know, like you're not allowed toidentify out like publicly,
right. And like, you're having a
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period. And that had to be awkward.
That's all I'm saying. I had to be like, oh, damn it,
I'm like, I need to go see a doctor right now.
I'm bleeding. We'll get into a few paragraphs
of how. She got away with it and how she
was like, I got shot again. They're like he's been shot 47
times since I've known him like.And for some reason, once a
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month, Once a month, I tell you what, that full moon is bad news
for Mary. I mean, Margaret.
I mean Mark. I mean, what's your name this
week, you know? Margaret.
Margaret. Margaret.
That full moon gets you like, sorry.
I just realized that I'm like, that'd be fun.
It's like shit covered down and out and now you're bleeding.
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It's just like, damn, you're like my.
Stomach. I mean, I drank too much last
night with the boys, Yeah. Yeah, I couldn't do that.
This is giving me Mulan vibes too, when she pretends to be a
boy. Eddie Murphy's not even there to
help you as a tiny dragon. I know.
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This started in 1702 and Mary found this as a great chance to
get off the terrible conditions of a ship.
Thank God. Mary arrived and Flanders
friends and started off as a cadet and she still had no
experience and was young. She was still going under the
assumption that she was a boy and due to the dress of the
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British Army at the time, white jackets and layers, she would
get by and not be found out. Thank God for layers and she was
found out. She would have been arrested and
court martialed. She was about to move up the
ranks, but sadly in those days you had to pay to be an officer.
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So she moved into cavalry. She became actually quite good
at using the horse, but she wouldn't be long at hiding
herself. It was here that she fell in
love with one of her. Of course.
She fell in love with one of herCalvary mates.
Because, I mean, the way they were dressing.
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Come on. The hair, the eyes.
Of course. What is that here?
Is that she couldn't reveal herself as a woman to the men
she fell in love with. Oh, my God, this is so tragic.
Yeah, I love you, bro. Yeah.
Like what? Slowly she started performing
badly and then she was held backfrom a battle.
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While watching the battle, she decided she hold on, hold on,
hold on. Like, like failing your test
back in the day meant that you weren't allowed to go to battle
on the weekend. Like what the.
No, no, no, no. Do you?
Yeah, you got Paul Marks, so youneed to go back to school and
it's like, what? Sir, I want to go to battle on
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the weekend. No, not until you pass your
exams. Yeah, a lot of it was like
marksmanship and things like that and following orders and
things like that. She just.
At the time, she just wasn't doing good.
She was slowly fading in and out.
And because of that, it was an honor to go into battle at this
time. You know, like that was their
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pay. That was their life.
And you know, that's how you getpromoted.
That's how she got into the Calvary.
She was very, very good at what she did.
But slowly, just because her mind was drifting, she just
wasn't. She wasn't able to be.
She was in love. And she was in love and she
like, but she couldn't tell thisperson, so she was grieving too.
So she literally couldn't focus on things going on.
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And it was this would be the same for for the guy, even
though, but he didn't know that he would love her or that she
was a woman. And he didn't know that he was
like, they had a, a, a. It was funny because, like the
other soldiers described it, as you could tell, there was like a
tiny bit of attraction. But none of them really knew
why. They thought they were just kind
of, like really good friends. And you know what if this and it
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was at this time and they thought the same thing, that
like both of them were just she was like I I was in love with
this guy. And the guy was like, oh, no,
you're just like in it. Like you're you're such a good
friend. I can tell you everything.
It's kind of that one thing you talk about now.
You know and. And eventually we'll find out
what they were super gay for each other.
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While watching the battle, she decided she wouldn't let him die
or be wounded without her, so she charged in.
I'm sorry, but this this really does just feel like you managed
to flunk that math test and you weren't allowed to play in the
big game on Friday night in highschool or something.
Yeah, she's just like, I'm like sitting on this side is like
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people like fighting in the background, getting.
Killed and stuff and there's a cannons exploding and she's
like, God, I need to study like,what the fuck do to the war,
yeah? Due to this, she was thrown into
solitary for this after she got out and back to the tent with
the men she loves. She reveal herself to him that
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night and they made love. Literally, yeah.
She like, she basically put her put his hand on her chest and
then he like, oh, oh boobies. Yeah, yeah.
It was very like a big thing, you know?
Dial. Oh hot look at his breasts.
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Oh my my. Bifocals Mary and her Mary and
her lover decided to get married.
Cute. They went to get married and
surprisingly enough, their company made surprised them
having actually figure out she was a woman beforehand.
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They were just like we we kind of knew it was really fun.
They didn't tell the like officers and stuff because
obviously the officers would have kicked her out and like.
This is this is Mulan basically.Yeah, the the company mates were
just like, we like, they're just, like, looking at each
other, like elbowing each other,like, come on, you know, we knew
this was going to happen. Yeah, you're just like, you ever
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notice how she always goes behind a Bush and squats right
here? Literally, literally every time
we pee? Am I the only one here that's
had a sister? Come on.
Yeah, I know. I know, it's hilarious.
This is so cute though. Super cute.
Yeah, so yay, a kind of happy little thing.
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They decided it was time to leave the army and settle in a
near and settle in a nearby towncalled Prada in Netherlands.
They open a Tavern and many of their old army buddies will
frequent the Tavern. Oh this is so cute.
Well, this was. Not to last because he's a fan
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of either a couple months or a year.
Her come on. Her husband fell ill and passed
away. Really.
Yeah, Joey. Why?
Really. Because it's so sad and I feel
so bad, but it's so it's not ironic.
It's just like it leads them to become the people who they are,
which just sucks because like, they they.
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They love these people and thesepeople in their lives that they
really love, like her mom, you know, they get to the new world
and they're like, finally we getto start a new life and then.
And then? Anne's mom dies and then there
and then Mary's like, finally I get to start a new life.
I can finally, like do these awesome things and then wow,
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like my husband dies And so liketheir lives get up ended in
these like wild. Ways that just make it so that
they have to okay now I gotta change completely, you know?
Yeah, yeah. So we're sensing A trend here.
This seemed to happen a lot in those days.
Yeah, because she couldn't own anything as a woman in this
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time. And, well, for a long time
afterwards, the Tavern was takenaway from her.
Yeah, well, she decided to head back into the Army.
But this time she wouldn't be asgood as before.
She came back into the army again as Mark Reed.
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Well, due to this she was released from the army and so it
was time for her to go back to the Navy.
She found a merchant ship in Amsterdam under Mark Reed.
She got a contract to work. She went on a ship headed for
the Caribbean filled with cocoa and sugar.
Well, you asked, how did she getby in such close quarters
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without being found out? She was a woman and thrown off
the ship. Well, first she figured out how
to scream up the yard arms and up the masks to fix things
without falling or injuring herself, which was honestly
easier said than done. She hurt her.
If she hurt herself, she risked others finding out she was a
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woman. Second, many ships had young
boys in them, and they will climb easier and fit into
smaller places to fix things. So she used this and passed off
as an adolescent boy. Third, due to the rather filthy
way ships were, her face was mostly covering dirt 4th.
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Well, she was in pirate clothing.
She wore trousers and loose shirts and coats.
She wore a handkerchief around her neck.
Long hair also is normal among all pirates. 5th and the
funniest one to hide herself wasshe peed.
She will use this sort of makeshift funnel so that it will
be like a spout, so it will looklike she was being like a male
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pirate. Yeah, they still make those.
Yeah, they still make those, Yeah.
Isn't it called like the shewee?I think so.
Yeah, also to your question earlier about how she hide how
she hit her period. A lot of what was told by the
author. A lot of pirates ended up having
gonorrhea and like Std's and sexually transmitted.
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Diseases and they would have a lot of blood stains on their
pants and so it made it seem like.
She was just normal because the pirates were diseased.
They're always kind of laid. Do you see how much they bleed?
And I'm always laid and so. They just she.
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I can't even work today. My abdomen hurts so bad from
being laid. Yeah, And so that was another
way how she hid that part of herself.
Wow. Yeah, I could not do that.
Well, anyways, after that brief detour, let's get back to Mary
on the sea. While sailing W, they eventually
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were caught by pirates. It turned out that pirates were
English, and her being the only English person on board, she
joined the pirates on their ship.
Obviously, while still under theidentity of Mark, she kept
working on the pirate ship. Well, eventually, as was told in
the Sea Bonnet story. The governor gave reprieve for
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all pirates and her crew took it.
They kept sailing around and eventually they decided it was
time to head to NASA. It's around the year 1718 and
James and Anne have arrived in NASA.
NASA was a place that was right in the shipping lanes of the
slave trade and sugar cane trade.
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This was a great place for all pirates to set up and recruit.
So all numbers of famous pirateswould travel and set up shop
here. NASA saw such amazing pirates as
Edward Teach or better known as our baddest friend Black Beard,
a rich and sometimes doofy friends.
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Steve Bonnett. Benjamin Hornigal.
Sometimes doofy. I'm pretty sure it was our doofy
and sometimes rich friends team.Basically, it was like, what do
they call a Comic Con but for pirates?
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This was, yes, literally Pirate Con.
Yeah, it. Was Pirate Con.
I love it. We need to create that if it's
not a. Thing Yeah, pirates are the
Carolinas. Yes.
Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
So basically it was Pirate Con. Everyone was there, All the cool
pirates, of course, our stars ofthe show, and Bonnie and Mary
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Reid. Ann had sailed with James for
six years and she loved it. She saw the freedom in it, and
that freedom couldn't be stampedout.
She was a quick learner and she will play with guns and train
with swords. James, however, was not happy
with this. Slowly, Ann and James drifted
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apart because he was, as as we know, average.
He was unhappy that he had not gotten the money from her dad
that he felt he was owed. When they decided to get to
NASA, James decided that he was done with her.
Wow. He broke up with her.
Kind of wow. Anne wanted to stay on the sea
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and get on a new boat, but Jameswas resentful.
They toll around NASA for a while, and eventually something
will happen that will literally put her at odds with her
husband. James took up a job under the
governor of NASA to hunt down pirates.
She was well, let's just say shewasn't too happy to find out
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this knowledge. So Anne decided she would spend
her time in Taverns. Taverns were a place for her to
gain knowledge and fulfill a bitof her loss for the sea.
While she was hanging out in Taverns, her life would change
by the chance of meeting of 1 pirate.
That pirate was the name of JackRack.
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He was captain of the crew of the Dread Pirate Charles Fang.
His nickname was Calico Jack. He was named this because of his
penchant for wearing really niceand fine clothing no matter the
situation. All right, well, to me this guy
is like a way better version of like Steve Bonnet.
He literally shows up with like a badass, like Zz's top style,
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like suit on. And then he just like stabs you
and like he's just like walking past you and says hey, looks
like you need a little bit of a handkerchief there, What do I
need? Then he just like stabs him in
the chest and just like keeps walking.
Then he's like cleaning himself off, like I have some lent on my
wool, like just a very fabulous steed bonnet.
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That again, he's this guy out ofanybody is like probably
striking, like he's probably scoring like a C + C + B minus
somewhere. I would say he's like a C plus.
He's a he's a lot better than James.
He's also a lot he's, but he's way, he's better than Steve
Bonnett, but he's not as good ashe's like historically known in
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the Olympics as like finishing in 3rd place, you know.
Yeah, still on the record. Literally.
Still really good. But like quite gold, you know.
So yeah, yeah, Pulling up on andthe last name for his nickname,
Calico. Well, Calico Jack was actually a
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good tactician. During one raid of a Spanish
ship, he and his men waited until nightfall and snob onto
the ship. There were only a few people
guarding, and they were tied up and gagged.
Then they proceeded to rob the entire ship.
When the Spanish woke up the next morning, they were a little
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embarrassed to find their Why dowe sleep so hard at night?
I told you not to get melatonin from Walmart yesterday.
God damn it. Like, how hard did you have to
sleep to not notice your entire ship getting wrong?
This was the style of Calico Jack, like a Kitty.
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Yeah, Kitty cat. I love that he had style.
I think I would have had a crushon on him because of that.
Yeah. It's like, oh, you dress cool,
nice. It was at the Tavern that Jack
and Anne with me and fall in love like some kind of Titanic
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love story. They bonded.
Jack had just taken the pardon for pirates, so he had time on
his hand. He fell in love with Anne
because of her fiery temper and personality.
She drank like a soldier and sore like a sailor, great
qualities, so he was immediatelyattracted to her.
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So in the spring of 1720, they decided they wanted to marry.
But as most people are staying right now, wait, she's already
married? Literally.
So the Pirates were like, whoa, bro, not cool.
You know, she's like, technically married, Not.
Cool. They haven't signed papers, so
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they approached James and asked to annul the marriage.
Well, to their surprise, James said he will only if they will
pay him a huge sum. Of course he's not stupid to do
this. They will have to basically put
her up for sale. So as we Yes, of course.
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So as we look at this, in this time, women were property, as we
can see here. Well, rack and pay James.
But James went back on his promise.
So what were they to do? They snuck away and out of the
high seas as pirates. They stole a ship called the
William, and just like all pirates, apparently they
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christened it. Well, can anyone guess that's
right? The revenge?
Literally the same name as SteveBondage.
Ship this one with a more legitimate back story behind it.
Yes, literally. Yeah, this one with an actual
revenge story and that's some like half hearted, stupid ass
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revenge plot that he created. And it's it's just like can
every ship even like Blackbeard ship is called the Queen Anne's
Revenge. Like it's literally every ship
is like, I will have my revenge on whatever for no reason.
Oh no, Sir. It's the revenge.
Which one? Yeah, which one we're chasing
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after Revenge Part 2 part. Do it.
Damn it. Like pirates.
Why would they care about that? Like, I feel like, OK, so she
was married, but they're piratesis like, who cares?
Like, Like go. I mean they.
Still have to go to, They still have to go to ports.
They still have to do this and they still, it's like a
(01:03:15):
paperwork thing. Still, it's still a it's it's a
pride thing, too, because. Like he's still like they if
they retire. Like if Calico Jack retires, he
still needs and they can actually be chased down like by
governs, governors. And people can put out bounties
on them for this, for like stealing a wife, stealing a
(01:03:35):
husband and things like that. So they can actually get, like,
chased down, They can get thrownin jail, they can get beat like
they they wanted to do things bythe book and like as much as it
hurt. Rackham's pride.
Captain Rackham's pride. He still said this is the only
way that I can, like, actually be married to legally and not
(01:03:58):
have to worry about a lot of like red tape and people chasing
me get the girl of my my my dreams, the girl that I love so.
I want to point out here like this is something that's so
different between like honestly basically up until like Biggie
and Tupac died. But like, revenge used to be
(01:04:20):
such a legitimate, like emotion and motivation in the world.
Like, isn't that weird? Like, am I the only one thinks
about that? It's like we kind of just like.
Legally, legally and. Motivation and nobody has time
for revenge anymore, right? I don't know.
This is just weird to me. It's just like this used to be
such a major part of history andthen they had to exact revenge
(01:04:42):
on so and so. Like it used to be such a major
thing, and now it's just kind oflike, I ain't got time for that.
I don't know. Yeah, I feel like revenge now.
Is like I'm living a better lifethan I was before then and.
Yeah, it's so fucking healthy. I hate it like it's I want.
It's not as like physical. I want to get revenge on.
I don't know. I'm going to think about that.
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Find out in Part 2 when we finish up this episode.
But there's some murkiness around the timeline here.
Before they got out to see Calico, Jack needed to get a
good crew, so he sent Ann down to Cuba for a bit to hideaway.
In some stories, Ann was confirmed pregnant and sent down
(01:05:24):
to Cuba to have the baby, which was then either sent to her
father to raise or adopted by locals.
Other stories say that she hid out there to let the rod of her
husband James Bond pass. Bracken picked her back up and
went back to NASA to get his screw due to Ann's knowledge of
(01:05:46):
a lot of the pirates in the areafrom her time in the Taverns and
on the open sea. Robin had her help recruit the
crew. And it's here that Ann hire one
Mark Reed. So interestingly enough, she
would be allowed to go under hername, Mary Reed.
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And it's here. We will stop and continue the
tale next week as we ride the high seas with some of the most
fear pirates in the high seas and Bunny and Mary Reed.
Thanks for listening to the Black Cat Report in Episode 58
(01:06:27):
on Anne, Bonnie and Mary Reed part one.
We'll continue the tale in Episode 2 next week.
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