62 | Don’t Sleep! Vol 1: Active Serial Killers and their Dumping Grounds

While we love our deepdives here on BCR, every now and then we need to take a little break. Need to step back and just scratch the surface of our curiosity.

Need to release an episode for our loyal rabid listeners even though we had a rough week at work and our hot water heater blew up causing us to spend the last 72 hours dumping buckets of water into our toilet while waiting for a nice greek man to replace it…..

That all said, this week Joey & Gil take a shallow dive into currently active serial killers and their dumping grounds. 🔪😱

Episode Transcript

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Well, we love our deep dives here at BCR.
Every now and then we need to take a little break.
Need to step back and just scratch the surface of our
curiosity. Need to, I don't know, to
release an episode for our loyalrabid listeners, even though we
had a rough week at work and ourhot water heater literally blew

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up, causing us to spend the last72 hours dumping buckets of
water into our toilet while waiting for a very nice Greek
man to replace it. Hypothetically anyways.
This week we're raw dog and content and giving you a
nicotine patch for the macabre. So lock your doors, load your
guns, pull the curtains and set your Roomba to kill while we

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dive into the shallow end of thepool and deliver articles as
audio books and present to you. Don't sleep.
Volume one. Active serial killers and
they're dumping grounds. I didn't see you there.
Something big is going on here, from hunting ghosts to Bigfoot
paranormal Ufo's, true crime, and more.
We won't just be spouting articles.

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I was researching for your entertainment.
Beginning of a new world. The best squad you'll ever
fucking eat. True story.
It's basically like one day you walk outside and you see that
the ants are playing with matches.
This is the blackout report. See you on the other side.
Hello everyone and welcome to What is this Episode 62?

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It is. God damn the Black Cat Report.
My name is Gil and joining me this week is Joey.
Hello. Hello.
Yeah, yeah. Unfortunately, Betsy Bay is
playing the role of a missing person this week, but she will
be back soon, hopefully. Unless she gets stranded in
Turkey next week. It's a long story.

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Point is, we're going to be diving in and just checking out
some articles this week. So seriously, sit back and just
enjoy some fresh, crazy, creepy content that I hope keeps you as
awake as it has kept me awake. Not just researching, but
actually like, some of the shit's a little bit scary, yeah.
If you want to know something really cool today, me and Gill

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are actually face to face. It's we're looking at each
other. I'm a little horrified.
Yeah, it's been God, it has to have been like 4050 episodes
since we've done it this way. Literally every episode we've
ever recorded in person. Joey's always sitting on my
left, I'm always sitting on his right.
We're never actually making eye contact.

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It's. A bit cool.
Bit scary though. I mean cuz as we're about to go
into this interesting deep dive or not even a deep dive, just
talk about some unresolved things.
I really hope better help reach out like reaches out to us after
this because I am going to need therapy anyways.

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First on our list is dedicated to the state we love the most
because frankly they love us themost.
The nation of Texas, Yes, the. Huge nation of Texas, yes, as as
Lone Star Beer would say, and this one to me is absolutely

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fucking fascinating, just for the sheer fact that it exists
and it's happening like right now.
It is the Texas Killing Fields, AKA the Calider Rd. killings.
This article is coming fresh from Wikipedia, even though I
did check the sources. Frankly, y'all just real quick

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backtrack on that. Wikipedia used to be suss.
It's like heavily sighted now and actually well executed.
It's it's an excellent source for Internet articles.
Look at it. Always check your sources, but
it's good. Let's dive in.
The Texas Killing Fields is a 25acre patch of land in League
City, TX situated a mile from Interstate Hwy. 45 and

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approximately 26 miles southeastof Houston.
Since the early 1970s, dozens ofbodies of murder victims have
been found along the Interstate Hwy. 45 area.
Several in this patch. They were mainly the bodies of
girls or young women. Furthermore, many additional
young girls have disappeared from this area.

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These girls bodies are still missing.
It is believed that many of the murders are the work of multiple
serial killers. Most of the victims were aged
between 12 and 25. Some shared similar physical
features, such as similar hairstyles.
Wasn't able to find more information on that, but I'm
assuming all their hair was purple or something, I don't

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know. Yeah.
However, despite efforts from the League City, TX police along
with the assistance of the FBI, very few of these murders have
been solved. And those that have been solved
were predicated on confessions given by prisoners or
confessions given under the duress from police, which is a
fancy way of saying the police were torturing them.

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The fields have been described as, quote, a perfect place for
killing somebody and getting away with it and quote after
visiting some of the sites of recovered bodies in League City,
Ami Kananman, director of the film Texas Killing Fields,
commented. You could actually see the
refineries that are in the area South end of the League City.

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You could see the I-45, but if you yelled, no one would
necessarily hear you. If you ran, there wouldn't
necessarily be anywhere to go. End Quote.
The task force, composed of local law enforcement officials
and FBI agents, called OperationHalt Homicide Slash Abduction
Liaison Team has been formed to investigate the incidences.

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Now, Joey, I'm going to do something here.
I'm going to share my screen with you and I want you to see
what the. Let me get it.
Pull it up, Pyong. I want you to see the list of
victims that have been found in this field.

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And keep in mind some of these listed here are multiple people
just going to keep scrolling. Wow.
It's going to keep still scrolling, still scrolling.
This is insane. That is a crap ton of people.

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Like I don't know how to y'all need to hit up this Wikipedia
page, Texas killing fields and like look at this, it's just
case after case after case of bodies just being discovered
sometimes. Again, like I said, it's like
multiple people being discoveredat the same time.
This is only a 25 acre patch of land.

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This is not like, you know, 35 miles long, 45 miles long.
This is 1 patch of land. Small land, comparatively, but
huge amount of people on it. Yeah, and like, this shit
stretches back into the 70s. That's more than one person per
acre that I'm seeing right now. Yeah, there's more than 25
people in here. When I did more, when I did the

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count, I want to say it was around like 36, which I'm just
going to say is probably not theentirety of the amount of bodies
that exist. I imagine there's some also some
John and Jane Doe's on that too that are not showing up.
Yeah, it's just I You can literally just pick a case from
the list. Let's see.

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Jessica Lee Cain, 17, was last seen at the Bennigan's
restaurant near Baybrook Mall inClear Lake, Texas, dining with
friends around 1:30 AM. She was reported missing on
August 17th, 1997, where the father found her truck abandoned
along Interstate 45. On March 18th, 2016, Jessica's

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remains were finally found in a field off of East Orem Rd. next
to a hobby airport. Suspected serial killer William
Lewis Reese directed investigators to search the area
where her remains were found. Reese was convicted of the
murder of Smither Cox and Kane in June of 2022.

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This is like over and over again.
There's multiple situations herewhere like it all gets tangled
up between folks that are like self confessed and then
convicted serial killers all just dumping bodies in this one
fucking spot. And it's honestly, it's kind of
hard to tell if it's like, you know, professional.

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What was that shit? What was that term from the the
Yokum Kroll episode, that guy who was like a serial confessor.
Is that what it was? I think so.
Yeah. It was just out here just
confessing to everything. It's hard to tell if some of
these folks are actually just like serial confessors and
they're just like, yeah, the body is, it's over there.
But just reliably, there is a patch of land I-45 in Texas

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where there's been roughly 36 plus bodies discovered in one
goddamn area. You know what this makes me
think of too? Just looking at it like there's
a TV show that was on, I think it was called Big Sky and had to
do with them. Truckers taking, working in the
sex slave industry, I guess the sex trafficking industry, and

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just stealing girls. And then I guess maybe if they
don't make it, they get killed and thrown in this place and
maybe this could be a. A similar thing, especially if
they're all girls, like, you know, girls are or women,
depending on what age they are like being killed and thrown in
this one spot. So maybe, and especially if it's
along the line of a highway thatgoes out and goes through the,

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you know, part, most of Texas could be that this is maybe a
spot that they don't people and it's a wellknown spot,
especially if there's 36 people that's, you know, insane dude, I
wonder. If they're all buried, similar.
Or I mean we don't know this facts yet but just wondering
about like if they're all buriedwith similar things with similar

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how they were killed were similar.
But you know obviously it seems like there's probably more than
a few people that killed these people.
Yeah, it's either one very, very, very prolific serial
killer. And there has been folks that
have been found are suspected that live in the area where they

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live like one mile away and they've been convicted of
murder. And friends and family around
them have said like, yeah, they totally brag about, do another
shit, you know, And they've beenlike called in but not enough
evidence was there and this and that and the other, you know,
there's been cases like that. And then there's folks that are
like, yeah, the body's totally over here, but they're wrong and
it's actually way the fuck down the road.

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But they find another body and since it all kind of matches a
similar, I guess like an MO, right.
It's like, is the victim between13 and 27 years old or whatever?
And it's like, yes. And it's like, Yep, her body's
totally over there. And they're just like, God damn
it, there's a body over here. And it's like, what, there's six

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more, you know, like so many. And like to be honest too, like,
you know, some of these victims,it's like this is going back to
like 1970, right. And so we're looking at 53 years
later, right? Yeah.
Bodies are still being found like that is those are bones,
those are brittle bones being discovered out in, frankly, the

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desert. You know, like, it's just as
wild. I feel, I feel like this.
I wanted to start this off here not just because shout out
Texas, but like, but also because like, I feel like it's
so often ignored that like a lotof times serial killers
literally do have killing fields.
Yeah. Like they have a particular
place or particular location, whether it's like buried and put

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it underneath their house, right?
Or or it's a barn or it's a spotout in the woods or it's a park.
But they have locations where they just keep dumping bodies
over and over again. Yeah, where they're comfortable.
And there's just this strange little middle ground where it's
just body after body after body is being dumped and you can

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drive by it today. Next one now maybe you'll be the
one. Don't.
Don't drive by at night. Next one on our list also sorted
our source from Wikipedia. Although like honestly,
Wikipedia just had the best breakdown and checked out a

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bunch of articles. This was just the the best
worded is the West Mesa Bone Collector AKAW Mesa murders.
I also like to call it the Bone Collector.
All right, so the West Mesa murders are the killings of 11

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women whose remains were found buried in 2009 in the desert on
the West Mesa of Albuquerque, NM, United States.
Several suspects have been named, but none were arrested or
charged. Well, the killings were
initially believed to be the work of a serial killer.
The involvement of sex trafficking ring or of a sex

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trafficking ring has been suspected.
It's not surprising an anonymoustip to authorities at a PD&FBI
linked the murders to a suspect from Central America.
This is relevant later in the story.
Police have also suspected the involvement of a sex trafficking
ring operating through neighboring taxes that targets

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prostitutes during events throughout the Southwest,
Southern and western United States, especially regularly
scheduled events such as the NewMexico State Fair, in this case
to take advantage of reliably heavier traffic.
The small fragment of a human trafficking ring involves
numerous population centers, including Las Vegas, El Paso and

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Keeling, Texas, along with Denver.
Between 2001 and 2511, women were buried by an unknown
assailant in Annareo Bank on Albuquerque's W Mesa, an
underdeveloped area within city limits.
Satellite imagery taken between 2003 and 2005 shows tire Marks
and patches of disturbed soil inthe area where the remains were

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recovered, which is just fuckinginsane that they like had.
That's crazy. Yeah, they had an archive of of
satellite imagery and they're like tire tricks.
Yeah, I can't believe I think about that now.
And I'm like, damn that. They could literally find
anything. If you just dug up your garden,
they could probably see like, oh, they dug up their garden
like in between two years. Tomatoes did better last year.

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Yeah, well yeah, but by 2006, development had encroached on
the area. So, like, literally, houses were
getting developed right up to that point, right?
And soon after the site was disturbed, buried, and platted
for residential development. Well, due to the 2008 housing
bubble collapse, development on the West side halted before

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housing could be built at the burial site.
So, and just to interrupt here from reading this, this also
lends the question of how many houses may have been buried on
top, built on top of bodies thatwere hidden out there.
Yeah, because like, it was encroaching, encroaching,

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encroaching, and stopped. But we assume that it's somehow
magically stopped at the line. And it's like, I don't think
it'd happen, but after neighborscomplained of flooding at the
platted site due to the burial of the natural orreo don't know
what the hell that means. The development built a
retaining wall to channel stormwater to a retention pond

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built in the approximate area ofthe burial site, inadvertently
exposing bones to the surface. So basically, they kind of.
Works, I guess. Yeah, there's like, yeah, we're
just going to wrap this over here.
And that's a body. That's a body.
That's another one. Shit, that's a body.
This is not. Again, like, they could have
just been like pushing dirt, pushing sand and stuff like

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that. Not noticing bones out there.
Yeah, They could not. Yeah, like this is just straight
up because they were they neededto like literally build a
retention wall out there. Damn.
Yeah, they definitely missed a bunch.
Probably and all this kind of kicks off or the discovery Phase
I guess of this right happened on February 2nd 2009.

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A woman was walking a dog found a human bone on the West Mesa
and reported it's a police classclassic story.
It's happened 40 million times right?
It's always the dog walkers thatfind bodies which the.
Only ones looking. Yeah.
Suspicious. Yeah.
Ask me Can you imagine though that you see just like the dog
just like grab something. This person's just sitting on
their phone just, you know got their headphones in just walking

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down the street with the dog. Dog grabs the bone.
You know, they probably they're not looking like, oh cool, he's
gotta stick something just on their phone if they're walking,
walking with a femur down. There I wonder how long it took
them to to realize. I think that's not a stick.
I think that's a bone. This just honestly, this just
solidifies my belief that like II suspect the only murders that

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exist are dog people. I think that it's the perfect
cover, frankly, because it's just like, I was just walking my
dog in my neighborhood and then I found this body over here and
then they're like, Oh my God, ofcourse here, this area has been
contaminated with like your DNA and evidence you were walking
Fido Fidos like like trying to rat him out because dogs are

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fucking snitches. We all know that.
We all know dog dogs literally work for the police people.
They're fucking snitches. Yeah, OK, so the dogs trying to
rat him out, Cops too damn dumb to figure it out.
And the person gets away with murder for years.
Why do I keep finding bodies like Oh no.
Oh, yes. Oh this.
I keep walking every time I go out.
I find a body every week. I've walked out a a million

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times, never found a body. That's true.
And I was looking. Yeah, yeah, maybe that was the
thing you were looking. That's true.
Yeah. You gotta not look.
You gotta like, trip over it, you know, And then just be like,
oh, that was a rock. Excuse me, Sir.
Excuse me? Sir, keep walking and then you
turn around. Wait a second.
Yeah, but that also works out because like, cats aren't
snitches, so if they knew there was a body there, they wouldn't
tell you. They do know there's a body

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there, yeah, They just they justwouldn't.
They're just like, they just keep a side eye.
It. Yeah.
They're like, Nah, yeah. Does he got tweets?
No, he ain't got tweets that keep going.
Yeah, we'll keep going. We won't even talk about this.
So yeah, yeah. As a result of this woman find
the body. Right.
Subsequent police investigation,yada yada.
Authorities discovered the remains of 11 women and girls

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and a fetus buried in the area. Yeah, real, real sweet story
here. They're between 15 and or.
They were between 15 and 32 years of age.
Most were Hispanic and most wereinvolved with drugs and sex
work. This is tale as old as time,
right? The less dead is they say yes,
which is very sad. Next one hits close to home,

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hits close to my heart. Now our next culprit might have
been caught less than a month ago after roaming free for over
10 years, but he's worth including slowly, based on how
the feds may have tracked him down, which I find fascinating,
and the fact that I've never seen my own name reference so

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many times. Don't run, Joey.
The doors are already locked. It's fine.
I resigned when I came in here. I signed my fate, yeah.
When I started doing this podcast with you, I figured I
was going to be murdered just riding your will.
Yeah, my name's Joey. But the Long Island Serial

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Killer, aka the Craigslist Ripper, aka the Gilgo Beach
Serial Killings. Quoting now from Wikipedia, the
Gilgo Beach Serial Killings werea series of killings between
1996 and 2011 in which the remains of 11 people were found
in Gilgo Beach, located on the South Shore of Long Island, New

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York, the United States. Most of the known victims were
sex workers who advertised on Craigslist.
The perpetrator in the case is known as the Long Island Serial
Killer Brackets LISC. Not quite as catchy as like BTK
or something like that. You know it's like LISK and it's
like you're trying too hard. Anyways, the victims remains

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were found over a period of months in 2010 and 2011 after
the disappearance of Shannon Gilbert resulted in police
search of the area along the Ocean Parkway near the remote
beach towns of Gilgo and Oak Beach in Suffolk County.
The remains of four victims designated the Gilgo Four were

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found within 1/4 mile of each other near Gilgo Beach on
December 2010. Six more sets of remains were
found in March and April 2011 inSuffolk and Nassau Counties.
Police believe the latter sets of remains predate the four
bodies found in December 2010. Gilbert's I'm sorry, It's really

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weird reading my name so many damn times.
And. So.
So you're not the killer, you'rethe one that's murdered.
Remains were found a year after the remains of the kill go
forward discovered. Her cause of death remains
contested, with police claiming accidental drowning while an
independent autopsy determined possible strangulation.

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They'll never find out. In July 2023.
This literally just happened. Like there there is, there's
about to be, which I will quote you in a little bit.
There's about to be an ABC expose releasing, like Any Day
Now 2020 episode entirely dedicated to this shit right
here. We beat you 2020.

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Suck it. Fuck you.
But yeah. So in July of 2023, Rex Hauerman
Huerman no clue how to say that a resident of Massapeka Park in
Long Island said that wrong, too, was arrested in midtown
Manhattan and charged in the murders of three of the Gilgo 4

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victims, Megan Waterman, MelissaBarthalome and Amber Costello.
He was also named as the prime suspect in the murder of the
fourth of the Gilgo 4, Marine Bernard Barnes.
Now, as I said, he may have justbeen caught.
And here's how it happened, via the ABC article titled The Long

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Island Serial Killer, How Cell Phones and a Pizza Box Led to a
Suspect in Three cases by Samantha Wanderer and Christina
Corbin. I'm not able to read tonight.
I'm just you were staring me straight into my straight in the
eyes, into my fucking soul, and it's just you were just read me
like a book. I wish, I wish I could read this

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as well as you're reading me. All right.
So Sarah Carnice was sitting in her Times Square hotel room when
she says she received a cell phone call from a blocked phone
number. She said.
The voice on the other line, an unknown male caller who was calm
and very matter of fact, revealed personal details about
her friend Maureen Bernard Barnes, who vanished days

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earlier in July 2007 while working as an escort in New York
City. Quote, I just saw her, Carnes
recalls the man saying. Quote, she's at a whore house in
Queens. End Quote.
Exactly 16 years after the chilling phone call, Carnes said
she believes the mystery voice was that of Rex Howerman in the

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married father of two and New York architect who is charged in
the murders of three other women.
He is the prime suspect in the death of 25 year old Bernard
Barnes, according to investigators.
Howerman has pleaded not guilty to all charges.
Quote that was him, Carne said of the caller in an exclusive

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2020 interview following Howerman's arrest on July 13th.
Again, this is less than a monthago.
The time of us recording this has been unsolved for so damn
long, right? Well, Howerman, 59, is charged
in the killings of Melissa Barthalome, 24, Megan Waterman,
22, Amberlyn Costello, 27, who were working as escorts on

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Craigslist at the time they disappeared.
The badly decomposed remains of those women, as well as those of
Bernard Barnes, were found in 2010 near Gilgo Beach on New
York's Long Island. And what police described as the
work of serial killer Carnes, who reported the phone call to
police at the time, said she made the connection after

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hearing Howerman's voice in a now viral interview on YouTube
about his work as an architect. All right, so we have the Rex
Hererman Manhattan architect comes across as utterly boring
in 2022 interview. Is this a clue?
Right. So I'm going to assume at this

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point that folks have copied andpasted and copied and pasted
this potential serial killers totally unrelated to serial
killing interview a million times on YouTube.
Let's go boop. Get us You know who you are.
You know where you're from and how long you've been in New

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York. Okay, Rex Sherman.
I'm an architect. I'm an architectural consultant.
I'm a troubleshooter. Born and raised on Long Island.
Been working in Manhattan since 1987.
Patience. That's funny.
I I I was hoping you would say that.
Yeah. Patience.

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And I don't like to use the wordtolerance, but sometimes you
have to, yeah. And it's not just with the city,
it's also with the client. I don't know.
That dude's voice is just very specific to me.
I would be able to know it too, if I heard it.
Yeah, it could be like 12 years later and it would be a phone

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call. And I'm like, Yep, that's him.
He's like, well, you see what we're doing when we go into the
shitty, it's like he has a very specific kind of like lower
lisp, right? Like with his voice and frankly,
he looks like a douchebag. I'm just going to be honest,
even if he's not a serial killer, looks like a douchebag.
But throwing that out there, hate me for saying it.

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That's fine. I I have a very, I have a fond
talent. I have an incredible talent for
helping us lose fans. But it's really, it's it's a
weekly. It's a weekly pleasure.
Just kidding. We love you.
Please don't call. But so that is the suspect that
was just brought up in the pieceright there, right.
Yeah. Now moving on.

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So Carnis, back to the story. She was saying that she
remembered or that she called the police, reported this very
creepy phone call of somebody who obviously knew what the fuck
was going on with her missing friend, and then eventually came
across to his voice in a YouTubevideo and was like, that's the

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motherfucker, like that is the dude right there, right?
She goes on to say, quote. I remember rewinding it and
playing it over and over again, Carne said.
The investigation into the Long Island Serial Killer focused on
cell phone use from the beginning.
According to investigators, the victims, known as the Google

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Four, posted advertisements on Craigslist and then use their
own cell phones to connect with clients.
The police claim the killer, meanwhile, used separate burner
phones to contact each victim and in doing so gave them their
first clue. Quote, We had cell site hits in
two areas in the Massapeka park also, and also in midtown

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Manhattan, Suffolk County PoliceCommissioner Rodney Harrison
told ABC News. The authorities claimed the
killer also used the cell phone of one of his victims, Melissa
Barthalome, to make a series of taunting phone calls to her
family in Buffalo, NY, in the summer of 2009.
Those calls allegedly pinged from towers near New York's Penn

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stationed and other areas of Manhattan.
So this is the exact same area that this dude lives in, right?
Yeah, quote, I'm watching your sister rot, End Quote, the
killer said to Barthalamma's younger sister, according to
multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.
It wasn't until 20/21 that investigators, including the

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FBI, said they were able to use advanced phone analytics to hone
in on an area of Masapeka Park, some 17 miles from Gogo Beach,
where they believe the killer likely lived.
Quote There was a little bit of what we called a box where our
potential suspects was making these phone calls to our sex

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workers, Harrison said. The next breakthrough in the
case came in the form of an old clue the police revisited.
In March of 2022, a witness reported seeing a dark green
Chevy Avalanche parked outside the home of Amber Lynn Costello
in Babylon, NY, the day before she disappeared in September

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2010. The witness also told police
that Costello met with a client that same day, someone the
witness described as a white male, approximately 6/4 to 6/6
in height in his mid 40s with dark bushy hair and a big Oval
style 1970s type eyeglasses, according to court documents in

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the case. Last year, investigators were
able to determine that Howerman,who lived in Massapequa Park and
fit that physical description, owned a Chevy Avalanche in 2010.
Quote we were able to capture. We were able to seize that Chevy
Avalanche pursuant to a search warrant, and we're certainly

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going to analyze that and quote,Suffolk County District Attorney
Ray Terney said at a press conference that afternoon after
Howerman's arrest. It literally took me like 5
takes to go through attorney RayTourney.
Yes, it would suck though if youown that Chevy Avalanche later,

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because, like, he didn't own it,right?
Because he previously owned thatvehicle, and he did.
They didn't. He didn't own the vehicle.
Got to records of him owning thevehicle at this time through the
DMV. So they found out that he owned
it at this time. So imagine if you own that car
at this point. Or maybe it was that error.

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And you're also a tall man. You're also a tall man.
Ben Kissel driving around New York minding your own damp.
Yeah. And then they're just like, hey,
did you kill somebody? You're just like maybe.
Where was I? What?
What year was this? Wait, what year?
Hold on. I'm not admitting to anything I
did. Yes.
But imagine like and they they just pretty much took your.

(32:00):
Took your car? Yes.
I mean, granted, it's for a Chevy Avalanche.
It's for a good thing. But I mean, there's not.
I mean, we don't want Chevy avalanches on the road.
Nobody does. No, no.
And you also don't want, you know, killers.
This is helping the cars. Yeah.
I mean, I like, I released a series of the silicon silicone,
like wrist bracelets. That's like end Chevy Avalanche.
You know, like Avalanche. The Avalanche was our phrase.

(32:22):
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm just glad another one's off the road.
Honestly. It's working.
Yeah, it's working. Maybe you set him up.
Maybe you set this guy up. Nah, he murdered those people.
He's probably going to go to jail.
Once authorities had establishedthe arm as a suspect, they
conducted surveillance on his daily life, issuing 300

(32:45):
subpoenas and search warrants tocollect potential evidence.
In January 2023, an undercover team watched from security
cameras as Howerman allegedly tossed a pizza box into a trash
can outside of his Midtown Manhattan office.
The team retrieved the box whichcontained A partial piece of

(33:07):
pizza crust that was later tested for DNA.
Well, right now, for all you people that don't eat pizza
crust, This is why you eat your pizza crust.
Yeah, or you get a a a boyfriend, girlfriend, or just
partner that will eat your pizzadogs.
This is how you complete dogs can eat pizza crust too.
Animal. Hmm, interesting.

(33:30):
So you're into dogs now? I like dogs and cats and all
animals. Do you like to go for walks,
Joey? I go for runs without my animals
because I don't have any animalsat the moment.
What are you running from? Life.
Not killing people, for sure, not yet.
Stay tuned. This is a developing story

(33:51):
anyway, so it proved to be a 99.96% match to hair found on
one of the victims at Gilgo Beach, according to authorities.
Pretty damn good match, especially from Hair, which is
notorious for not delivering thebest matches in the world.

(34:13):
I wonder if that's the .14 percentage, the extra percentage
that wasn't matched potentially well.
Michael Brown, Howerman's attorney, scoffed at reporters
who asked about the alleged physical evidence following
Howerman's court appearance on July 14th in Riverhead.
NY Quote, I didn't see any evidence, did you?

(34:36):
Brown said claiming the government's case against his
client is quote very circumstantial.
UN quote. The hunt for the killer began
with the disappearance of Shannon Gilbert, a 23 year old
escort from Jersey City, NJ who disappeared May 1st, 2010 from
Oak Beach, a gated community on the South Shore of Long Island.

(35:00):
The police search to find Gilbert led to the discovery of
four sets of human remains dumped in thick Bramble along
Ocean Parkway at Gilgo Beach 2010, now ending here.
Article goes on. I repeated that part with the
Wikipedia section. Ryan, who's given a little bit
of back story. This dude heavy serial killer
vibes just my opinion. I'm not a judge.

(35:23):
But yeah, I'm I'm, I don't know.I got to fall back here.
I got to fall back here on the guy's voice.
I could totally see, you know, years later, hearing that guy's
voice, especially from such a traumatic moment where somebody
calls, they're acting incrediblydisrespectful.

(35:43):
You know, they're they're sayingsome fucked up shit on the phone
and like, you're worried about your friend and they're saying
some heavy shit like that to youon the phone.
You would remember that guy's voice and he had like he had a
very, or he has a very specific lisp, you know, where it's just
like, it just comes in at the end.
It's like New York and it's justlike a very specific, kind of

(36:05):
like vibe to his tone. But it's not.
It's not too. Like New New Long Islandy, you
know, Which is no. That sounds weird to say.
No, no. No, not, not what you generally
hear in Long Island. He's got like a semi, kind of.
You can hear it come out a little bit but it's enough to
where you're like huh he you would notice that kind of voice

(36:26):
you know little bit different. I I'm, I'm going with, I'm going
with the, the, the victim's friend here who's like I watched
that 96 times and I'm like. Fucking positive.
What was his quote? What was his quote he said about
clients? Yeah, shit, what was it?
He said. I'm not very fuck, what was it?

(36:49):
I'm not very compassionate or some shit.
Had something to say about like you have to tell your clients or
something I'm not very patient with.
Him Yeah. It's like you have to you can't
show patience with these people or these clients.
And it was just very, I don't like to use the word compassion.
Yeah, it was just like. There's a little like that.
If you, when you go back and listen to it, everybody

(37:09):
listening, it's it's one of those things you're just like,
you listen back after your suss.That's very weird to say.
Suss, you know, very like. Unemotional about it, yeah, very
suss about it and I, I don't know if the like like the his
lawyer Mike Brown said. Basically like there's where's
the evidence? And you know right now the
evidence is probably being built99.96% DNA matches the hair

(37:34):
follicles. That's.
The evidence and right now they probably figured it out with
they're they're they're finding the evidence right now that's
the point is like now they have this.
This kind of match of this person where they're like hey we
we know who this is now we can build the case that it sent.
Yeah, now we can go back, we canfind the phone.
So we can use the voice recognition or like use the the

(37:57):
witnesses to to give evidence that he was there at these
points and obviously the the Chevy Avalanche being at that
point, they can find this. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that that makes sense. I mean, it's like, I don't know.
I know these cases are always just like, you know, so damn

(38:17):
close around this kind of shit. Because at the end of the day
we're talking about the intonation of somebody's voice,
a matching hair follicle and a now what, 10/12/13 year olds
like discovery of a body on a beach or multiple bodies on the
beach, which happened years earlier or dumped their years

(38:38):
earlier. But again, you know, hey, this
is, this is these, these are active serial killers.
This motherfucker still active, right?
Like, he's probably, I don't know.
Yeah. So he probably is still out
there. So yeah, something to think
about. Next one, next one here.

(39:00):
Honestly, kind of one of my favorites.
I don't know why. Just because I think it's just
too fucking weird. It's also kind of like genius.
Are you saying this is your favorite serial killer?
I think it might be favorite. I'd literally just watch Joey's
Adam Adam's apple go up and downas he like you just called.

(39:21):
Yes, I think this might be one of my favorite serial killers,
although I discovered one in North Carolina.
No, it wasn't in a mirror, Joey.I'm not looking in a mirror
right now. I'll tell you the name.
I'll tell you the name off air because I'm very excited to
share them with folks in the future and I don't want to ruin
that. But like, North Carolina is a

(39:44):
pretty cool serial killer. I'm just kidding.
Like and the not like, he's a cool person, but their name is
cool. Serial killers can have cool
names. I'm just saying like, the media
is trying to do that. Yeah.
You know, like the Night Stalkeris a really cool name.
You know, like Jack the Ripper is a cool man.
The Boston Strangler. You know it's like, yeah they
can they the. Blown this.

(40:06):
Is a cool name. They have some cool names.
They're just not cool people. Oh no, they're fucking shit
back. But like, yeah, No, seriously.
Like, we do not. We do not condone or we do
condone. But I condone cool naming
convention. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I'm a big fan of that. Literally.
I'm a professional marketer and,like, got, you know, real

(40:26):
recognized. Real.
Like, you see a cool name here. Yeah, cool name.
We don't like serial killers here at.
Black no, no. We just we're just clearing that
up so so all of you know we do not like.
So this next one here Hitler wasno?
Fucking with you, you know, Can you classify people as, can you
classify Hitler as a serial killer?

(40:48):
I would say more. That's the thing here.
So, like, that's the fine line between genocide and serial
killer is like, honestly, if youwant to talk about active serial
killers, every living president serial killer, right?
Or mass murderer. Yeah, they say different.
They operated an infrastructure probably every leader ever to

(41:09):
exist. Well, all the ones that were
actively engaged in perpetuatingwarfare, we're actively killing.
I mean shit like leader to exist.
I mean, yeah, well, Obama's hit list.
Does anybody remember that, likethe drone strike hit list where
they were like, hey, this is kind of fucked up And he's like,
yeah, whatever. You know, like, yeah, and like,
but shouldn't even be in. Like you went after my daddy and

(41:30):
Dick Cheney being in the back pulling the fucking puppet
strings and like it goes on and on and on.
Or you want to get into NAFTA. Let's get into NAFTA real quick.
All right, let's do that after. Viva la sabatistas.
That's all I'm saying. All right.
Now back to my favorite. My favorite in terms of names.

(41:51):
The Vending Machine Killer. That was a huge buildup and I
hope other folks appreciate thisas much as I do.
The Vending machine killer is just a fucking, I don't know,
EMK. Yeah, VMK.
Quoting now from serialkillershop.com.
Japanese infatuation with vending machines is widely

(42:14):
acknowledged. There are 5 million vending
machines across the country, making an average of 1 vending
machine per every 23 people. Between April and November 1985
in Hiroshima, 12 people were killed as a result of paraquat
poisoning. And a further 35 were seriously

(42:34):
injured. When authorities looked into the
circumstances surrounding these poisonings, they found that most
of the victims had one thing in common.
They'd recently consumed the drink.
Oramen C Yeah, I. Around the same time, the
company behind Orman C had launched a marketing campaign

(42:58):
offering free bottles of the drink from vending machines
whenever someone made a purchase.
So if you caught that there, basically you to the best of my
ability. I understand you buy a drink
from the machine, Any fucking drink from the machine and you
would also get a bottle of OrmanC would also like fall out at

(43:19):
the same time, right? So that that was their marketing
campaign. Not a bad idea, where it's just
like, hey, we're totally fuckingnew.
You never heard of us before? Just going to drop a free one
there. Yeah, So well, in Japanese
culture, which I feel like this phrasing here is a little bit
weird, I feel like this would happen anyways.
Anyways, in Japanese culture, sometimes people would place the

(43:40):
Ormond sea drink on top of the vending machine for someone else
to take if they didn't want it themselves.
Feel like people were just basically like, I don't want
this free drink, but, you know, whatever.
We're, you know, we're at a subway, we're at a train
station, we're bus stop, whatever the fuck is just like
they gave me this free drink here, fucking take it.
You know, like that's normal, right?
If you're getting a bunch of free shit, everybody's getting

(44:01):
free shit. So they're placing.
So anytime you're buying something out of a vending
machine, there's this brand new drink that's coming out with it
all over the fucking city again.Like one.
You know there's a vending machine per every 23 people.
Right, so there's shit ton of vending machines everywhere.
Free drinks sitting on top of all these vending machines.

(44:21):
This could go wrong. I mean, I'm just thinking that
it's just the the middle of the city is just piled up with these
drinks where people are just tossing them into into the
middle of the city, like in this, the frigging subways.
They're just overflowing with the Orem and Sea and they're
like I had campaign, it might not have worked.
Not sure if this is helping or it's just like now everybody

(44:44):
knows us or. Dolphins in the ocean, getting
them stuck in their throat. Police soon pieced things
together and found that someone had been lacing these Orem and
sea drinks with parquat and placing them back on top of the
vending machine. So this is picked up as a quick
culture. Right.
Or it's like a quick cultural reaction to a prevalence of a

(45:05):
bunch of drinks that not everybody fucking wanted.
People were leaving out in public for free.
It became noticeable. Like, you know, again, this is
only over a few months. So, like marketing campaign,
everybody's just like, I don't really want that on a Thursday.
I don't like it, whatever. And it's like I started here for
somebody else, but then a few months, fucking serial killer
swooped in. Was like, I got to play in,

(45:28):
right? So.
Because of this, because of these free drinks sitting all
across the city, going back to the article here, it was almost
impossible for the police to track down the person
responsible, since it was difficult to narrow down where a
person had originally picked up the drink.

(45:48):
Right? Most of the vending machines
responsible that at the end of the day, they found out, were in
quiet backstreets with no CCTV around the person who carried
out these poisonings. Was never found.
Not yet. Yeah, he really screwed up the
ad campaign. Oh my God.
Yeah, it's a mercuter. Who was It was the other rival

(46:09):
company. It was freaking coke.
Coke. Did it.
Coke. See.
Pepsi. You know, like, Oh my God, that
literally the most genius. Oh, they're going to give away
free drinks. Screw that.
I'm just going to poison him. And now Orman Orman C can't even
pronounce it. Orman C is now going to be

(46:31):
synonymous with being poisoned. Killing.
Yeah, with being poisoned. So who's going to drink that
after that, you know? That it?
Yeah, that's to me like poor company they just.
Kind of messed up that would, you know, that's going to drop.
Those stock prices are dropping faster than Corona Lights during
COVID. Yeah, I just had to get us
tagged with that for this episode.
Thank you. You're always getting us tagged

(46:53):
with that. I fucking love it.
Yeah, it makes it look special. It does.
It's like, ooh, controversial. No.
But. But I do think that this might
be one of the most unique like this was.
This was a very unique mark as amarketer.
This is a very unique marketing stunt.
Oh, for sure. Not as a serial killer.

(47:14):
Very unique serial killer stunt.It's like, well, do these people
die too? Yeah, 12 people died.
Oh, 12 people died. And another 35 people got
seriously like. Injured.
Fucked up from it. That's a good, that's a this
hefty headcount, this all took place between a couple months,
April and November. Yeah, this is just a handful of
months. Yeah, that's that's honestly as

(47:37):
if you're a serial killer. Like any hasn't been found yet.
I mean probably, but. I don't know.
This is 1985. Oh, it's 85.
That this happened. Yeah.
Oh, they definitely went out of business.
Yeah, now they're fucked. Yeah, I've never heard of
Ordermancy, but it's a it's a very unique way to do that.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
Yeah, like, that's super unique.First off, great name is a zero.

(47:58):
Killer. The vending machine killer.
Yeah, dope name. And like that's a.
That's a marketing response to a.
Marketing solution. And I got to appreciate the
ingenuity here. I'm not knocking the people who
die, that's really fucked up. But I'm just saying how many
serial killers, you know, just picked up on a marketing wave,
which is like, wait a second, this TikTok dance is going

(48:20):
viral. You know how to add my own bones
to my collection? And they're just like, I'm going
to get everybody to go out to the field where I love to put my
bones and I'm going to have themdo the bone dance and then just
accidentally causes quote, UN quote, accidentally causes a
bunch of people. Die in one spot.
He's like more like the Tiktok killer.

(48:40):
Yeah, the Tiktok killer. But like, they're making them do
it themselves. Yeah, no, that's genius.
I wonder though, if, if you knowthose caps now on the plastic
bottles, I wonder if they're using glass.
They were probably using glass bottles with caps that they
could reput back on there. Because I know nowadays nobody
is going to open those if they see them.
The the little plastic things. True genius invention by whoever

(49:04):
plastic sucks. Plastic really screws over the
environment. But the genius invention behind
the someone that put the refresh.
Basically you lose all your yourcarbonation I.
Have yeah, the plastic and the seal on it to make sure that you
know, nobody has opened this since it's been in the factory,
so. It hasn't been poisoned.
And the same thing happened withTylenol, with the Tylenol

(49:25):
poisonings in Chicago is that they created the cap that made
sure it made it, so it doesn't. It's not as easily to be able to
get into. I'm going to go you 100% right
here. Although I've definitely had
more than one instance in my life where I've like, it doesn't
happen a lot. Maybe 5-6 times where I've gone
to open up a Mountain Dew bottleto put some park wad in it and

(49:46):
like you know, no, but but I've gone to open up like a park Wat
park Wat goddamn it. I'm going to open up a bottle
and and I've gone to open up a bottle with those little plastic
rings that if you take off and flip inside out, the cats
fucking love to play with those little.
Plastic things, right? Right.
I've gone to open those up and the whole thing comes off and

(50:09):
doesn't the seal doesn't break. I've had that happen a few times
and you could take with like a knife or something like that and
like pop it off. Just saying they're not perfect.
Although there is those Japanesedrinks and I'm not sure if it
was the same, but you're going to hear the carbonation.
You always hear it but. But heavy catch on this.
Heavy catch on this. This is a brand new drink.

(50:31):
It's popping up all around the city.
If the drink was flat, who the fuck would even notice?
If it was their first time drinking it, they don't know.
If it's supposed to be flat, Youknow it's brand new.
Still imagine it's a glass bottle though, since it's.
In the 80s, but but those glass bottles back in the day and they
still they still have them like if you go to like Asian markets
around the US or I'm assuming like most markets or whatever in

(50:53):
Japan. They have, they they look like,
you know, the small, I guess like the classic like beer
bottle kind of like shape, but they're small.
They have a marble that you actually press down into it and
the marble gets caught in this certain area and you drink
basically through the marble or like over the marble in it.
That's how it's like sealed closed.

(51:13):
They're kind of cool, but I don't know.
I'm just saying the liquid went in at some point and then got
sealed up. I'm assuming somebody's savvy
enough to do all this in such short period of time.
Probably, you know, I don't know.
They did my research though, because they weren't in front of
CCTV. I honestly think this was the

(51:35):
marketing team that did this. Which one?
The marketing team for this company like this.
Seems too perfectly timed and too quick to be like, look at
this cultural reaction. I'm going to take advantage of
it with this poison that's readily available just for this
brief period of time to put in there.
And it's hard to trace. Like it's just like, I don't

(51:56):
know, this is a marketer's mind.Just saying real recognized.
And it was five years before I was born, wasn't me.
Some people learn from the best,I guess, if this podcast
doesn't. Release I never made it out of.
This, I plead the 5th future. Joey's lawyer.

(52:19):
I plead the 5th. He's going to get Michael Brown
as his lawyer. There is no actual evidence
besides all the the. 96.7% sure that it's him on camera holding
up his Social Security card, hisbirth certificate, his driver's
license, his third grade report card that his mother never
signed because he hid it from her.

(52:41):
I saw no evidence, C minus moving on from this
incrimination, going to somebodywho we are most definitely going
to be doing a deep dive into at some point.
But he he he fits the bill here for this week's episode, and

(53:04):
that is Pedro Lopez. Monster of the Andes Quoting now
from an article on crack.com. Don't judge me.
It's a good summary based off the other other articles that I
read. And I didn't have time to write
this week because hypothetically, my hot water
heater was blowing up just belowour recording studio.
Yeah, it was fun. Did you just kill a bunch of

(53:27):
Andes? I do love Andes mints.
All right, moving on, quote. We know damn well who the
socalled monster of the Andes was who was killing little girls
all over Colombia, Peru and Ecuador.
We know because Pedro Lopez freely admitted to it in 1980
after he was caught in an attempted kidnapping.

(53:50):
And for a penny and for a pound,right?
He actually confessed to so manymurders, 110, that police
initially didn't believe him, sohe led them to the bodies of 53
victims, he says. Fucking Christ.
He later confessed to 240 more, but he had apparently misplaced

(54:18):
those ones because he was only convicted.
Of the 110 they could prove, imagine how long his trial was.
Jesus, fucking cry. We will, we will find out, as
this might be a situation where like we want to dig into a
trial. Honestly, I would like to dig
into his. This is insane.

(54:39):
His body count and dig into him.Yeah, not literally get dug a
hole by him and be murdered. But yeah, not be dug into by
him, but dig into gotcha Well. Lopez was tried in Ecuador.
Given the maximum sentence allowed by the country, a
whopping 16 years, he was even given time off for good behavior

(55:02):
and released after serving just fourteen in a psychiatric
hospital in the pinky promise that he'd pay $50 bail and
follow the rules. Currently, nobody knows where he
is. He could be behind you right
now. In fact, if anyone has seen him

(55:25):
since 1998, they ain't telling. Oh, and in 2002, Colombian
police identified a new murder that they're pretty sure was
Lopez's work. So literally got released from
jail for not murdering people because he couldn't murder.
People Yeah, basically. Apparently this is.

(55:49):
As far as I was able to like digup again, we will be doing a
deep dive into him because this has to be a fucking world
record, right? For like a single individual.
That's ridiculous. 303 hundred people.
He killed 100. They he had confessed to 110 and
then goes on to say, and 240 more.

(56:09):
Oh my God, it's 360 people. 50. 40 and 10 is 50.
Oh, sorry. It's been a long day.
It's been under threat of it. Act of my serial killer anyways.
But no, this is this fucking insane.
Yeah, that's huge numbers. And to find that many places to
to find the time to go to, to pick out people to kill.

(56:33):
I guess he was killing people inthe Andes mountains.
All right. So, yeah, not the mints or the
people named. Andy Mint Mountains.
He was finding these people in the mountains, maybe people who
were native or native to the land or I guess we don't know
the the people there. But if he was killing a lot of
natives, then yeah, he could probably have huge death counts

(56:54):
because they're not a lot of them.
Just like we saw with the Peru incident, a lot of them aren't
really watched over or even, youknow, looked after.
So he could have just been running amok in these areas and
then just going home and been like, I have no idea what
happened. Yeah.
Look, I've seen every Rambo, allright?
I've seen every Rambo movie. The Expandables too.

(57:14):
Yeah, of course. Yeah.
The Expandables and The Expendables.
Sorry, no. But I I've seen every Rambo
movie, right? I've kept count 65.
He's only killed 65 people. Rambo Rambo only killed 65
people. Don't quote me on that.
But, well, they drew first. Three, like people that go to

(57:39):
war and are on the front lines don't kill 350 people.
Yeah, that is insane. Yeah.
Very rarely do people kill that many people like you.
People kill like 30. Yeah.
If it's like really intense warfare, you know, like it is.
That is absolutely fucking insane.
Yeah. So even Chris Kyle, who is like

(58:01):
that one of the best snipers in in U.S. history only killed 160
people. Confirmed.
Which is still fucking insane paid to do this.
Yeah, like he was literally going to go find a serial
killer. He was a paid.
He was paid. He was killing everybody the
same way he was. Yeah, to type everybody the same
way. Yeah, I guess technically, if

(58:21):
you look at it, I'm not going tosay.
That because I'm not going to. You just don't want to piss off
a sniper. Nobody should piss off.
And he was also killed, too, by one of the people who's trying
to help. So that was really sad.
And he had a movie about him, which, you know, Bradley Cooper,
you know, But think about it. This guy had to find people he

(58:42):
had to do the research on. These people had to stay away
from being killed. Chris Kyle was literally like,
here's your people, go kill them.
He was helped to do that. And he only killed 160.
Yeah. Flown in to do this.
And he was only 160 confirmed kills.
And this guy is like 250. Yeah, 300, three, 150.

(59:05):
Numbers are hard. I'm just going to keep doing
like you on that listener count.But like, it's crazy to think
about that this guy had this much time.
Yeah. To do, to do this, it must have
just been. He made it his job, you know,
home. He started in the 70s.
True. You know, he could not be alive

(59:26):
anymore, though. Who knows?
Because it's if he started in the 70s, he could be in his 70s,
seventies 70s right now and could be dead.
But who knows? Yeah, maybe he's still out
there. I have no idea.
But like, literally, like, you know, that's just fucking
insane. I'm sorry like that.
The math is insane. The numbers are insane.

(59:50):
The Honestly, even if we just stop at the other 240 more.
Right, which is just a lot, I would say, even if we stopped at
the 100. 10 That's what I'm that's what I'm saying.
He was convicted on 110, which is fucking insane.
That's that's insane. You know, we ain't got to add
another like 240 to any. Serial killer that you have

(01:00:11):
heard about watched a movie about watch documentary likely
has five to to 20. Oh shit. 20 is like up there.
Yeah, and 20 is heavy. Like what was it Bundy was like?
Bundy was something. Yeah, 20.
Yeah, like few. A few of them were like three.
Yeah, three to five. And it was just done the same
way. Like Richard Ramirez was was 17.

(01:00:33):
I I feel like Yogo Beach 4. Four.
Yeah. And these guys are caught.
Yeah. Yeah.
Well he, you know, 50 years later.
But they get caught, you know, fucking nuts, man.
This guy did get caught and thenthey just gave him a slap on the
wrist. 16 years, which is he's like goodbye 50 bucks.
That'd be good. Yeah.
I don't know. Yeah.

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Anyways, hope you all have enjoyed this week's.
I guess like Laid it back episode if you didn't well.
Congrats on making it to the endand not enjoying it.
You've made it through another work day.
I don't really know what to tellyou.
I hope you. I hope you next week for another
script for a different kind of episode.

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Yeah, yeah. We'll actually be scripting out
next week in a proper manner. We won't be looking at each
other in the face though which is going to be kind of sad
because it's kind of nice. We've had like a good little
chat and and Gil's getting a little creeped out now he just
yes. He just.
I'm also was earlier too becauseyou know we.
Joey's currently running to Mexico.

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We don't have a bunch, but we know that we have a bunch of
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And hey, it it would bring a smile to our face.
That's all I can say. We can't pay you for it or
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produce content and everything like.
You you get. I will take off a piece of
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it but I will just take off a piece of clothing so we got that
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