July 9, 2024 • 30 mins
This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ. A new series of conversations with different mob around the country to yarn about, meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the capacity of Indigenous businesses and organisations, and helping individuals in the broader community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience.
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Happy NAIDOC week you mob! To celebrate, we proudly bring you the next instalment of the ANZ partnership series. Today’s yarn is with Tom Mosby, CEO of the Koorie Heritage Trust! 🎙️✨
From the Torres Strait to Melbourne, Tom’s journey in art restoration and leadership is a testament to the power of community connections and cultural heritage. 🌏❤️
Learn all about Toms work and the Koorie Heritage Trust. The KHT preserves Victorian Aboriginal culture through exhibitions, family history services, and cultural programs. Explore the vital role of corporate partnerships in reconciliation, with ANZ leading the way in supporting First Nation employees, customers, and communities. 🤝🏦
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Mundanara Bayles (00:03):
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mundanara Bayles.
Mundanara Bayles (00:35):
Welcome to another deadly episode of the Black Magic Woman
partnership with ANZ. We are showcasing some customers and clients
and even employees, some of the deadly Blackfellas that work
at ANZ talking about their experiences, their products, their services
and much, much more. Today, I am here with my
(00:59):
bala, Tom Mosby who is actually the CEO of The
Koorie Heritage Trust or KHT. We're going to have a
deadly yarn about his journey working at KHT, but before
we get into it, I do want my listeners, but
we got viewers now on YouTube. So hello to you,
(01:20):
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in the world. So look, here we are on beautiful
Wurundjeri country.
Tom Mosby (01:49):
Wurundjeri, yes.
Mundanara Bayles (01:49):
In Naarm aka Melbourne. So the usual kind of way that I
kick off a podcast is I hand over the microphone
to you and you can then introduce yourself in a way that
you want our listeners and viewers to know who you
are, where you come from and maybe a little bit about where you grew up.
Tom Mosby (02:06):
Okay. God, where do I start? So, grew up in
the Torres Strait. Actually I was born in the Torres
Strait on Thursday Island. Went to primary school on Thursday
Island, on TI. Then my parents moved to Cairns when
I started high school. So I went to Cairns State
High School, did my high schooling there, finished year 12,
(02:31):
then went to Canberra to the University of Canberra to
do my first degree which was in art conservation, art
restoration. Then when I finished that, my first job was
in WA at the Art Gallery of Western Australia. I
was, God, 19 when I actually started my first job. Moved
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from the other side of the country.
Mundanara Bayles (02:55):
I'm about to say that's a long way from TI.
Tom Mosby (02:57):
Yeah, it's a long way.
Mundanara Bayles (02:57):
Then from Canberra.
Tom Mosby (03:00):
Then from Canberra, then to-
Mundanara Bayles (03:01):
And then over to the West Coast.
Tom Mosby (03:02):
And if I think back now, " Would I do it again?"
I don't know if I would, but you know when
you're a kid-
Mundanara Bayles (03:11):
19.
Tom Mosby (03:11):
... it's something that you just do.
Mundanara Bayles (03:12):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (03:12):
So I did that. Had a contract there for about
six months, then moved to Melbourne for the first time.
So this is, God, 1989.
Mundanara Bayles (03:22):
So in the first 21 years of your life.
Tom Mosby (03:24):
First 21 years, I'm traveling around.
Mundanara Bayles (03:27):
Yeah. You've literally saw and lived and experienced four different
states and territories.
Tom Mosby (03:34):
Yeah, yeah. So I came to Melbourne, had a contract here at
the National Gallery of Victoria. So that was '89- '90 working
in conservation. Then went to Canada for six months where
I did an internship at The Canadian Conservation Institute. Again,
I mean that was pretty mind- blowing, eye- opening for ...
(03:55):
I mean by then I was 19, 20. I actually turned 21 in Ottawa.
Mundanara Bayles (03:58):
Wow. We're talking about pre- Mabo decision?
Tom Mosby (04:03):
Pre- Mabo. Actually I was in Canberra at the time
when all of the court cases was happening and I
look back at it now and I think, " Gosh, I
should have really been involved more when all of that
was ..." But it didn't really sort of register at the time.
Mundanara Bayles (04:17):
You don't know what you don't know too as a younger person-
Tom Mosby (04:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (04:20):
... what's going on with them older fellas, what they're yarning about.
Tom Mosby (04:24):
I remember one of the plaintiff, Father Passi.
Mundanara Bayles (04:28):
Yes.
Tom Mosby (04:29):
He coming down to Canberra because there's a large Torres
Strait community in Canberra, people like Benny Mills-
Mundanara Bayles (04:37):
Uncle Benny. Big shout-out to Uncle Benny and Yvonne. They-
Tom Mosby (04:41):
All them. Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (04:41):
... down the road on the-
Tom Mosby (04:41):
So there was-
Mundanara Bayles (04:41):
... coast.
Tom Mosby (04:41):
... all of that sort of family there, but it never really registered
that this was happening. But anyway, so went to Canada.
Six months in Canada, came back, didn't have a job
so I thought I'd go up to the Torres Strait
onto Yam where my family comes from. So my family,
we're from the Central Eastern Islands, but in terms of
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my connection, it's really to the Central Islands. So went
back to Yam Island and didn't do anything. Well, I
worked and sort of did things here and there for about three months.
Mundanara Bayles (05:13):
You went back home?
Tom Mosby (05:14):
Went back home and it was just fantastic because having gone from Cairns, Canberra,
Perth, Melbourne, Canada, just going back home was just fantastic.
So I was there for three months sitting on a
coconut tree, having the best time. Then I was offered
a job back here in Melbourne.
Mundanara Bayles (05:34):
Oh, so you had to go again. You got at your feet.
Tom Mosby (05:34):
Yeah. I thought, "Okay, I need to actually have a profession, develop my
career." So I came back to Melbourne in 1991 and
more or less have been here ever since. So I
mean look, it takes a long time to be accepted
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into a community. I would like to think I'm accepted
into Melbourne, but also the local Aboriginal community as well.
So it's great having sort of, in a sense grown
up with connecting to families, connecting to Wurundjeri, Bunurong, all
of the aunties, uncles down here as well. So it's
(06:15):
been a journey.
Mundanara Bayles (06:16):
I was going to say you got any other of your mob here, TI mob or even immediate family? Which way?
Tom Mosby (06:23):
No immediate. I mean there is a Torres Strait community,
but it's not a big one and we do things.
I mean there is the, you know the Maza sisters, Lisa
and Rachael?
Mundanara Bayles (06:33):
Yes.
Tom Mosby (06:33):
They do a lot in terms of getting the Torres
Strait Islander communities together. So that's been fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (06:39):
And what about the deadliest sister who's a chef?
Tom Mosby (06:43):
Ah, Nornie. Yes, yes, yes.
Mundanara Bayles (06:45):
Mabu Mabu.
Tom Mosby (06:45):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (06:46):
So people that are watching or listening to this yarn,
if you want to taste food-
Tom Mosby (06:51):
Islander food.
Mundanara Bayles (06:51):
... ingredients and homemade, home- cooked Torres Strait meals and
some in terms of just ... I've been there twice and
I literally was just blown away that ... I mean CBD,
Melbourne and there's an Indigenous restaurant that was packed.
Tom Mosby (07:16):
Yeah, which is great.
Mundanara Bayles (07:17):
You could not get a table. I had to book.
I sat there feeling so proud as a Black woman going, "
Look at this in 2023," because it was last year, "
This deadly sister has actually, she's made it."
Tom Mosby (07:35):
Yep. It's actually great seeing those businesses really happening, food
businesses. There's a couple of First People, Aboriginal caterers that
we use as well because I mean obviously, I work
at The Koorie Heritage Trust. One of the big things for
us is about supporting all of our Aboriginal businesses, Aboriginal,
(07:56):
Torres Strait Islander businesses. So there are caterers that we
use as well. Seeing all of the rise of those
small businesses, I think it's fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, for them to still be able to be operating after the pandemic. It was-
Tom Mosby (08:08):
It was tough.
Mundanara Bayles (08:12):
... testing, it was tough, it was challenging. I heard
50% of Indigenous businesses in Victoria went under, completely under. That's a lot of our mob-
Tom Mosby (08:20):
It is a lot. It is a lot.
Mundanara Bayles (08:21):
... that then had to figure out alternatives with other
businesses globally as well, but we're talking about the most
vulnerable and marginalized peoples in Australia. 50% of Indigenous businesses
during and even after the pandemic, they'd done some research
(08:42):
and I was just reading the Victorian Black business kind
of data and I felt for the mob here. I
was going to say really quickly for our listeners and
viewers that don't know anything about the deadly work that
you fellows do at The Koorie Heritage Trust, tell us a
little bit of the history. How did it start?
Tom Mosby (09:01):
Yep. So look, it was formed in 1985. Uncle Jim Berg is
the founder of The Koorie Heritage Trust. He worked with, we
call them the two Ronnies. There was Ron Castan who
was one of the barristers actually as part of the
Mabo case and the other one was Ron Merkel, who's
actually still alive. Unfortunately, Ron Castan has passed. The other
(09:25):
Ron is still alive. He used to sit on the,
I think it was the Federal Magistrates, so Federal Court.
He's now a KC, King's Counsel. They founded The Koorie
Heritage Trust in 1985 and it was really about protecting
Victorian Aboriginal material culture because at the time there was also
(09:45):
all of this thing about human remains and human remains
going overseas. It was all about really setting up something
that would protect Victorian Aboriginal material culture. It's developed ever
since. So I'm proud to say 30 plus years later
we're still operating. We've expanded into an arts and cultural
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center. So it's very much about presenting temporary exhibitions, showcasing
contemporary artists, but we also have a family history service,
which is really important because it came out of the
stolen generation, an apology. So it's really about connecting the
stolen generations back to family, back to community. We also
(10:30):
have a shop and we just stock Victorian Aboriginal products.
So for us it's all about showcasing that down here
in Victoria there is still a living, thriving First Nations,
First Peoples culture because people come to Victoria. They think
Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander, they're all up north, up in
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Queensland, Northern Territory, Western Australia, but you actually have a
very strong community in Victoria. For us it is really
about profiling and showcasing that.
Mundanara Bayles (11:07):
On that note, where are you located so people can come buy
from the shop-
Tom Mosby (11:14):
Buy from the shop.
Mundanara Bayles (11:14):
... experience in terms of the actual exhibitions, come and
learn, experience our culture, meet other Blackfellas as well because
I'm sure you got staff there.
Tom Mosby (11:24):
Yes. Yep. So we're located at Federation Square. So Fed Square,
the heart of the cultural precinct here in Melbourne. Melbourne,
I would like to say or I would like to
think is the cultural capital of Australia. So we're in the
Birrarung Building at Federation Square. It used to be known
as the Yarra Building until a name change at the
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start of the year to actually recognize we are located
next to the Yarra River, but the traditional name is
Birrarung. When Fed Square was built they named it with
all of these European names and they named our building
the Yarra Building. In recognition of country, of place, of
traditional ownership it's now being changed to the Birrarung Building.
(12:09):
I think for us, I mean it's a really important part
of that acknowledgement of our community. So we're in the
Birrarung Building at Federation Square.
Mundanara Bayles (12:18):
And you offer, there's walking tours?
Tom Mosby (12:20):
We have walking tours, we also have cultural awareness training
programs. So they're programs that we offer to all organizations.
We have a large corporate base or the corporate community
that come to us as part of their Reconciliation Action
Plan about working with their employees. All of that around
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cultural awareness.
Mundanara Bayles (12:42):
And connecting them with Victorian Blackfellas and Black businesses, traditional owners.
Tom Mosby (12:48):
All that, all that, but it's also about recognizing when you're
working with Aboriginal people, whether as a colleague or as
a client that it doesn't sound right to say it's
special, we're special, but it's acknowledging that there's a way
of working with traditional Aboriginal communities because-
Mundanara Bayles (13:10):
Yeah, there are differences.
Tom Mosby (13:10):
Differences.
Mundanara Bayles (13:12):
There are cultural differences when you compare western culture and
Indigenous culture, whether it's Aboriginal, Torres Strait, African, Maori, right?
There are cultural differences and there are also cultural nuances
as well.
Tom Mosby (13:27):
Which comes out of that history of colonialization, settlement, all
of the bad histories that we've gone through, we're all
as a contemporary community trying to actually move forward, but
there are still those nuances that I think businesses, corporates,
whatever need to be aware of if you're working with
people, our people.
Mundanara Bayles (13:48):
And especially if you've got a Reconciliation Action Plan also
known as a RAP where you've got key deliverables. So
you support organizations with those deliverables, the education, the awareness,
utilizing your conference rooms. So back in the day we
recommended to our clients that were based here in Naarm, we recommended
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utilizing Black businesses, catering, but also conference or training spaces.
So we wanted to take them out of their comfort
zones, take them out of these big buildings, bring them
into an Aboriginal space and then do an introduction in
the lunch breaks. They would then wander through and look
(14:28):
at the exhibitions.
Tom Mosby (14:28):
Yeah. Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (14:30):
I noticed so many people from the public and school
kids were coming there as well. So then here I
am as a visitor to this place and I was
starting to then go, " Oh, my goodness." First I booked
a conference or a training space. The catering that came, them
fellows knew you too as well, right? There's this this relationship.
(14:52):
Then I even met the late Uncle Jack Charles. As
I was coming there to deliver training, I was with
Greg Phillips and the last photo I've got with Uncle
Jack is outside KHT-
Tom Mosby (15:03):
Oh, fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (15:03):
... with my deadly brother, Professor Gregory Phillips. So the
community people also utilized the space.
Tom Mosby (15:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (15:14):
That's what I always say is important to a lot
of our corporates is that supporting Black businesses, Indigenous First
Nations businesses so that we don't have to rely on
government funding, for corporates to use the same money that
they would've spent on other event spaces that are all around
here. How about looking for First Nations owned and operated
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because we know that for every $ 1 that they spend
with an Indigenous business, it's $ 4. 41 in terms of
the social impact that's created? So for anyone looking for
spaces, come to these fellows here, KHT, Koorie Heritage Trust. Book
your next conference, your team meetings, your offsite, your strategy
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days. You will not be disappointed. I haven't done the
walking tour, but I did do the training. I wanted
to learn about Victorian Aboriginal culture and history because I
was coming here so much. Flying in, coming to the
hotel, deliver the training, back on the next plane, and
no time to just go and look at country, go
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and learn about the country, understanding the river right next
to me. What is that name for that river? The
totem system. Who are the elders? Where are the borders,
the boundaries? So I started to look for my own
kind of cultural or professional development.
Tom Mosby (16:42):
Which I think is great because I think it's ... I mean, we offer it to corporates, we offer
it to non- Indigenous organizations, but hearing you talking about
that it's also about when you come from a different
state, I mean when Aboriginal people, Indigenous people come from
somewhere else to actually learn about community and place and
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country down here is also important, but also a really
nice thing and a sign of respect for us because
I mean, coming from the Torres Strait I'll still acknowledge
whenever I stand up to acknowledge country, I acknowledge that
I am on country, but I'm a visitor to this
country. I think for all of us coming into Melbourne,
for us to actually acknowledge that and respect that is fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (17:25):
It's like an extension of a welcome to country. So
how can we package up as really deadly successful Black
businesses and enterprises that are based in different states and
territories, how can you package up your local history as
a training package that's an extension of a smoking ceremony
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or a welcoming, but it's offered to First Nations' visitors?
People that have been here and living here, you know
they might be here for 40 years, but still didn't know that hey,
they're Bunurong or they're Taungurung or they're Djadjawurrung. Now these mob
are from there and this is the relationship that maybe
(18:10):
good relationship, maybe not good relationship. So just understanding some
of that history will let you know then if you're
trying to engage with local mob, do you have the
same mob in the same room at once? There's a
lot of learning for us as Blackfellas as well, living and working
with these different organizations.
Tom Mosby (18:30):
And also, I mean the one thing that we find
at the KHT as well, I mean we have a
collection. We have a amazing collection of both historical and
contemporary artworks. It's a resource there for our Indigenous artists
that can come in and actually go through the collection
and learn about, especially with the historical work that we
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have, learn about traditional techniques, traditional design because we acknowledge
that places like Victoria, New South Wales, Tasmania, there's a
much long history of settlement than other parts of Australia,
and there's a much greater loss of that cultural knowledge.
So for us being the sort of custodian of the
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material heritage, that can actually help people rediscover, I think
is really important.
Mundanara Bayles (19:20):
Rediscover and reconnect.
Tom Mosby (19:22):
And reconnect.
Mundanara Bayles (19:23):
You know, that's so important for mob, isn't that they find the
opportunities and the right organizations where they feel that they can come in
and sit there, have a cup of tea. That's what
I noticed when I was there, this sense of belonging
and community. We're having a cup of tea and I thought, " Jesus
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is dead. This would not have happened in one of
those corporate buildings. I would not have bumped into another Blackfella."
Tom Mosby (19:51):
Yeah, and it's always really exciting when we see that, that people
actually connecting in the space. Brilliant. I think the physical space
as well. I mean we're trying to create ... We're obviously
in a building that was designed by a non- Indigenous
architect and built about 20 years ago, but what we've
tried to do internally when we've actually refitted the building
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is to actually represent Victorian Aboriginal design values, but also contemporary
design values as well. It's really about showcasing that. So
when people come into the space they actually see a
space that reflects where we as First Nations People living
in Victoria, where we are today. People come in, and
I mean we still struggle with that. People still come
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in thinking, " We're going to walk into an Aboriginal space,
we're going to see dot paintings everywhere. We're going to
see all of the iconography from up north." Whereas, this
is really about saying, " No, sorry. This is Victoria and
it's an education for you. Coming into this space, seeing
this physical building, It's about educating you around what we
have in Victoria."
Mundanara Bayles (20:56):
Well, how did you end up doing business with ANZ?
That's what I'm curious about. I know ANZ do some really
deadly things in our community. They support a lot of
Indigenous businesses. They've got their Indigenous business bankers now because
I've got one, which is pretty deadly. So how did ANZ and KHT
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first start kind of take off or hit it off?
Tom Mosby (21:19):
ANZ was a partner with the KHT years ago, so even before I
started. So when I started, ANZ was ... And we had
really great support from ANZ, and then that relationship sort
of dropped off and we reconnected after COVID. It's like
a relationship. We reconnected after COVID and they were really
(21:39):
keen to look at how they can support the KHT
in terms of achieving our vision, but at the same
time by supporting us, it was also reaching into their
Reconciliation Action Plan as well. So we, like I said,
reconnected after COVID and have developed a fantastic relationship where
they support our exhibitions program, our temporary exhibitions program. That,
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for us is a really big thing because we really ... Even
though 50% of our revenue is self- generated and we
get funding from elsewhere, that type of corporate funding for
us is really important, especially in that exhibitions and public
programming space because they're all project by project. At the
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same time we're able to give back to ANZ, you know
things like cultural awareness training, tours, the use of our
meeting rooms and spaces. So there's a reciprocal relationship there.
Mundanara Bayles (22:35):
I was going to say the same thing, right? In our culture, reciprocity. It's
so important that you give, you take, you give back
and make sure that it's mutually beneficial.
Tom Mosby (22:50):
Exactly.
Mundanara Bayles (22:50):
So ANZ are a leader in reconciliation. They're a bank, they're
very big, got a lot of influence with their customers
and with their employee base and with the whole community
that they're part of as well. So they're creating societal
change. They're part of this kind of, when you think
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about the reconciliation movement, even bigger than that because they're
basically putting their money where their mouth is.
Tom Mosby (23:21):
Exactly. I agree. Exactly. You know, it's not just us
taking that corporate dollar. It's, how do we actually work with ANZ
to support them in terms of recruitment of First Nation
employees, First Nation customers as ANZ customers? They're a really important
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thing because it's also acknowledging within the corporate structure as
First Nation People, and this goes back to that cultural
awareness, the nuances of dealing with employees and a customer
base that isn't used to saving, isn't used to all of
that sort of Western banking tradition, but we need to
as people, we need to be part of that. I
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think it's very important.
Mundanara Bayles (24:05):
We do, especially if we want to be part of and
contribute to the economy.
Tom Mosby (24:09):
Yeah, but also be successful in the economy.
Mundanara Bayles (24:14):
Be successful, yeah. I think a lot of financial institutions, a lot of them,
superannuation, banks, insurance companies, all these, they're really big kind
of institutions. They're big businesses. Our mob that might work
in there might feel quite isolated. They might feel alone
because we are a minority in this country.
Tom Mosby (24:34):
We are. We are.
Mundanara Bayles (24:35):
You know? We could be definitely a minority within a
much bigger team. Having an opportunity to know that, " Hey,
our organization supports First Nations enterprises, community initiatives, those on-
country cultural immersions for Victorian people to actually connect to
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this country and create that sense of belonging." That's got
to be a good thing, especially for our mental health.
Tom Mosby (25:06):
I completely agree. Also, it's understanding us and our values.
I mean, the two of us, I mean we cross both worlds. We are coming to
live in big cities, all of that, but I think
of my family up north still living on remote islands,
villages of 100, 120 people, but they still have banking needs.
They still have needs that actually ... But as big corporate
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organizations, how do you actually work with those communities?
Mundanara Bayles (25:33):
How do they extend their reach? How do they get to
those communities? That's why this partnership to me is so
important that people like ANZ invest in this podcast, which
platforms and gives opportunities for you mob, KHT, you as
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a Torres Strait Islander man, it gives you an opportunity
to showcase what you do and then talk to our
audience, our listeners about how they can then get involved.
How can they support you? What would be the best
way for people to get in contact with you? Is
it easy just to go kht. com. au?
Tom Mosby (26:17):
Get online.
Mundanara Bayles (26:18):
How do they-
Tom Mosby (26:18):
Get online, website, it's kht.com.au.
Mundanara Bayles (26:18):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (26:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (26:22):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (26:23):
Everything's online. So check out our website, all of our
email addresses, telephone numbers there or just drop in. Go to Fed
Square. We're actually just off the main plaza. So when
you're walking up the main plaza we're on the right,
directly opposite ACMI. It's so central, easy to get to.
Mundanara Bayles (26:43):
Yeah. Well, if I could say working with ANZ, just
to give other people a bit of an insight into
how that relationship. Is there one thing there that you're
just really proud of with this relationship or is there
someone in particular that has just gone above and beyond
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for you fellas to support you today that you want to give a mention to or-
Tom Mosby (27:06):
I think, I mean, it's all of our corporate partners that are very important, like I
said, to our success. So the support we get from
ANZ, I mean that enabled us to present ... At the
moment we actually have an exhibition by a young kid
called Josh Muir, who was a rising star in the
art world, but suffered as most of our young kids
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do, but also our young boys, especially mental health, went
up and down and unfortunately passed away about two years
ago. He was only in his 30s, but he was
exhibiting at the National Gallery of Victoria as part of
White Night in 2016 projecting onto the facade of the
National Gallery of Victoria. We're doing a retrospective of his
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artwork, working with his partner and mother which has been
the best experience. We've presented and we have ... It's on
at the moment, this amazing exhibition that just looks at
this creative talent who left us too early, but we
can only do that with the support from corporate partners.
Mundanara Bayles (28:12):
And without ANZ this exhibition might not have happened for
a bit longer, but was able to happen.
Tom Mosby (28:22):
Was able to happen.
Mundanara Bayles (28:22):
And it's happening right now.
Tom Mosby (28:22):
Yeah, and it's happening right now.
Mundanara Bayles (28:25):
Too deadly. Well, I am really excited for the fact
that our mob can hear this yarn, but I'm even
more excited that more mainstream Australians that listen to Black
Magic Woman may be on the iHeart app, might be
a customer of ANZ that now know, " You know what?
This is a deadly bank. I'm going to keep banking
with them." So look bala, I just want to say
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it's been an absolute pleasure to see you again, to
catch up, to have you on the couch and to
hear about the deadly work you fellas are doing with ANZ at The
Koorie Heritage Trust.
Tom Mosby (28:58):
And right back at you. This is great. Fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (29:00):
I can't wait to come check out the new space.
So on that note, you fellas, I really do hope
that you share this podcast because not many people know
about the deadly things that we do in our communities. So
Black Magic Woman is where it's at. So on that
note, I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time,
bye for now. If you'd like any more info on
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Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mundanara Bayles.
Mundanara Bayles (00:35):
Welcome to another deadly episode of the Black Magic Woman
partnership with ANZ. We are showcasing some customers and clients
and even employees, some of the deadly Blackfellas that work
at ANZ talking about their experiences, their products, their services
and much, much more. Today, I am here with my
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bala, Tom Mosby who is actually the CEO of The
Koorie Heritage Trust or KHT. We're going to have a
deadly yarn about his journey working at KHT, but before
we get into it, I do want my listeners, but
we got viewers now on YouTube. So hello to you,
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mob and thank you for subscribing and supporting the Black
Magic Woman Podcast, which is now on the iHeart Network
and it's produced by BlakCast, the first Indigenous podcast network
in Australia backed by iHeart, the number one podcasting publisher
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in the world. So look, here we are on beautiful
Wurundjeri country.
Tom Mosby (01:49):
Wurundjeri, yes.
Mundanara Bayles (01:49):
In Naarm aka Melbourne. So the usual kind of way that I
kick off a podcast is I hand over the microphone
to you and you can then introduce yourself in a way that
you want our listeners and viewers to know who you
are, where you come from and maybe a little bit about where you grew up.
Tom Mosby (02:06):
Okay. God, where do I start? So, grew up in
the Torres Strait. Actually I was born in the Torres
Strait on Thursday Island. Went to primary school on Thursday
Island, on TI. Then my parents moved to Cairns when
I started high school. So I went to Cairns State
High School, did my high schooling there, finished year 12,
(02:31):
then went to Canberra to the University of Canberra to
do my first degree which was in art conservation, art
restoration. Then when I finished that, my first job was
in WA at the Art Gallery of Western Australia. I
was, God, 19 when I actually started my first job. Moved
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from the other side of the country.
Mundanara Bayles (02:55):
I'm about to say that's a long way from TI.
Tom Mosby (02:57):
Yeah, it's a long way.
Mundanara Bayles (02:57):
Then from Canberra.
Tom Mosby (03:00):
Then from Canberra, then to-
Mundanara Bayles (03:01):
And then over to the West Coast.
Tom Mosby (03:02):
And if I think back now, " Would I do it again?"
I don't know if I would, but you know when
you're a kid-
Mundanara Bayles (03:11):
19.
Tom Mosby (03:11):
... it's something that you just do.
Mundanara Bayles (03:12):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (03:12):
So I did that. Had a contract there for about
six months, then moved to Melbourne for the first time.
So this is, God, 1989.
Mundanara Bayles (03:22):
So in the first 21 years of your life.
Tom Mosby (03:24):
First 21 years, I'm traveling around.
Mundanara Bayles (03:27):
Yeah. You've literally saw and lived and experienced four different
states and territories.
Tom Mosby (03:34):
Yeah, yeah. So I came to Melbourne, had a contract here at
the National Gallery of Victoria. So that was '89- '90 working
in conservation. Then went to Canada for six months where
I did an internship at The Canadian Conservation Institute. Again,
I mean that was pretty mind- blowing, eye- opening for ...
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I mean by then I was 19, 20. I actually turned 21 in Ottawa.
Mundanara Bayles (03:58):
Wow. We're talking about pre- Mabo decision?
Tom Mosby (04:03):
Pre- Mabo. Actually I was in Canberra at the time
when all of the court cases was happening and I
look back at it now and I think, " Gosh, I
should have really been involved more when all of that
was ..." But it didn't really sort of register at the time.
Mundanara Bayles (04:17):
You don't know what you don't know too as a younger person-
Tom Mosby (04:20):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (04:20):
... what's going on with them older fellas, what they're yarning about.
Tom Mosby (04:24):
I remember one of the plaintiff, Father Passi.
Mundanara Bayles (04:28):
Yes.
Tom Mosby (04:29):
He coming down to Canberra because there's a large Torres
Strait community in Canberra, people like Benny Mills-
Mundanara Bayles (04:37):
Uncle Benny. Big shout-out to Uncle Benny and Yvonne. They-
Tom Mosby (04:41):
All them. Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (04:41):
... down the road on the-
Tom Mosby (04:41):
So there was-
Mundanara Bayles (04:41):
... coast.
Tom Mosby (04:41):
... all of that sort of family there, but it never really registered
that this was happening. But anyway, so went to Canada.
Six months in Canada, came back, didn't have a job
so I thought I'd go up to the Torres Strait
onto Yam where my family comes from. So my family,
we're from the Central Eastern Islands, but in terms of
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my connection, it's really to the Central Islands. So went
back to Yam Island and didn't do anything. Well, I
worked and sort of did things here and there for about three months.
Mundanara Bayles (05:13):
You went back home?
Tom Mosby (05:14):
Went back home and it was just fantastic because having gone from Cairns, Canberra,
Perth, Melbourne, Canada, just going back home was just fantastic.
So I was there for three months sitting on a
coconut tree, having the best time. Then I was offered
a job back here in Melbourne.
Mundanara Bayles (05:34):
Oh, so you had to go again. You got at your feet.
Tom Mosby (05:34):
Yeah. I thought, "Okay, I need to actually have a profession, develop my
career." So I came back to Melbourne in 1991 and
more or less have been here ever since. So I
mean look, it takes a long time to be accepted
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into a community. I would like to think I'm accepted
into Melbourne, but also the local Aboriginal community as well.
So it's great having sort of, in a sense grown
up with connecting to families, connecting to Wurundjeri, Bunurong, all
of the aunties, uncles down here as well. So it's
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been a journey.
Mundanara Bayles (06:16):
I was going to say you got any other of your mob here, TI mob or even immediate family? Which way?
Tom Mosby (06:23):
No immediate. I mean there is a Torres Strait community,
but it's not a big one and we do things.
I mean there is the, you know the Maza sisters, Lisa
and Rachael?
Mundanara Bayles (06:33):
Yes.
Tom Mosby (06:33):
They do a lot in terms of getting the Torres
Strait Islander communities together. So that's been fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (06:39):
And what about the deadliest sister who's a chef?
Tom Mosby (06:43):
Ah, Nornie. Yes, yes, yes.
Mundanara Bayles (06:45):
Mabu Mabu.
Tom Mosby (06:45):
Yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (06:46):
So people that are watching or listening to this yarn,
if you want to taste food-
Tom Mosby (06:51):
Islander food.
Mundanara Bayles (06:51):
... ingredients and homemade, home- cooked Torres Strait meals and
some in terms of just ... I've been there twice and
I literally was just blown away that ... I mean CBD,
Melbourne and there's an Indigenous restaurant that was packed.
Tom Mosby (07:16):
Yeah, which is great.
Mundanara Bayles (07:17):
You could not get a table. I had to book.
I sat there feeling so proud as a Black woman going, "
Look at this in 2023," because it was last year, "
This deadly sister has actually, she's made it."
Tom Mosby (07:35):
Yep. It's actually great seeing those businesses really happening, food
businesses. There's a couple of First People, Aboriginal caterers that
we use as well because I mean obviously, I work
at The Koorie Heritage Trust. One of the big things for
us is about supporting all of our Aboriginal businesses, Aboriginal,
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Torres Strait Islander businesses. So there are caterers that we
use as well. Seeing all of the rise of those
small businesses, I think it's fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (08:07):
Yeah, yeah, for them to still be able to be operating after the pandemic. It was-
Tom Mosby (08:08):
It was tough.
Mundanara Bayles (08:12):
... testing, it was tough, it was challenging. I heard
50% of Indigenous businesses in Victoria went under, completely under. That's a lot of our mob-
Tom Mosby (08:20):
It is a lot. It is a lot.
Mundanara Bayles (08:21):
... that then had to figure out alternatives with other
businesses globally as well, but we're talking about the most
vulnerable and marginalized peoples in Australia. 50% of Indigenous businesses
during and even after the pandemic, they'd done some research
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and I was just reading the Victorian Black business kind
of data and I felt for the mob here. I
was going to say really quickly for our listeners and
viewers that don't know anything about the deadly work that
you fellows do at The Koorie Heritage Trust, tell us a
little bit of the history. How did it start?
Tom Mosby (09:01):
Yep. So look, it was formed in 1985. Uncle Jim Berg is
the founder of The Koorie Heritage Trust. He worked with, we
call them the two Ronnies. There was Ron Castan who
was one of the barristers actually as part of the
Mabo case and the other one was Ron Merkel, who's
actually still alive. Unfortunately, Ron Castan has passed. The other
(09:25):
Ron is still alive. He used to sit on the,
I think it was the Federal Magistrates, so Federal Court.
He's now a KC, King's Counsel. They founded The Koorie
Heritage Trust in 1985 and it was really about protecting
Victorian Aboriginal material culture because at the time there was also
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all of this thing about human remains and human remains
going overseas. It was all about really setting up something
that would protect Victorian Aboriginal material culture. It's developed ever
since. So I'm proud to say 30 plus years later
we're still operating. We've expanded into an arts and cultural
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center. So it's very much about presenting temporary exhibitions, showcasing
contemporary artists, but we also have a family history service,
which is really important because it came out of the
stolen generation, an apology. So it's really about connecting the
stolen generations back to family, back to community. We also
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have a shop and we just stock Victorian Aboriginal products.
So for us it's all about showcasing that down here
in Victoria there is still a living, thriving First Nations,
First Peoples culture because people come to Victoria. They think
Aboriginal, Torres Strait Islander, they're all up north, up in
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Queensland, Northern Territory, Western Australia, but you actually have a
very strong community in Victoria. For us it is really
about profiling and showcasing that.
Mundanara Bayles (11:07):
On that note, where are you located so people can come buy
from the shop-
Tom Mosby (11:14):
Buy from the shop.
Mundanara Bayles (11:14):
... experience in terms of the actual exhibitions, come and
learn, experience our culture, meet other Blackfellas as well because
I'm sure you got staff there.
Tom Mosby (11:24):
Yes. Yep. So we're located at Federation Square. So Fed Square,
the heart of the cultural precinct here in Melbourne. Melbourne,
I would like to say or I would like to
think is the cultural capital of Australia. So we're in the
Birrarung Building at Federation Square. It used to be known
as the Yarra Building until a name change at the
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start of the year to actually recognize we are located
next to the Yarra River, but the traditional name is
Birrarung. When Fed Square was built they named it with
all of these European names and they named our building
the Yarra Building. In recognition of country, of place, of
traditional ownership it's now being changed to the Birrarung Building.
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I think for us, I mean it's a really important part
of that acknowledgement of our community. So we're in the
Birrarung Building at Federation Square.
Mundanara Bayles (12:18):
And you offer, there's walking tours?
Tom Mosby (12:20):
We have walking tours, we also have cultural awareness training
programs. So they're programs that we offer to all organizations.
We have a large corporate base or the corporate community
that come to us as part of their Reconciliation Action
Plan about working with their employees. All of that around
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cultural awareness.
Mundanara Bayles (12:42):
And connecting them with Victorian Blackfellas and Black businesses, traditional owners.
Tom Mosby (12:48):
All that, all that, but it's also about recognizing when you're
working with Aboriginal people, whether as a colleague or as
a client that it doesn't sound right to say it's
special, we're special, but it's acknowledging that there's a way
of working with traditional Aboriginal communities because-
Mundanara Bayles (13:10):
Yeah, there are differences.
Tom Mosby (13:10):
Differences.
Mundanara Bayles (13:12):
There are cultural differences when you compare western culture and
Indigenous culture, whether it's Aboriginal, Torres Strait, African, Maori, right?
There are cultural differences and there are also cultural nuances
as well.
Tom Mosby (13:27):
Which comes out of that history of colonialization, settlement, all
of the bad histories that we've gone through, we're all
as a contemporary community trying to actually move forward, but
there are still those nuances that I think businesses, corporates,
whatever need to be aware of if you're working with
people, our people.
Mundanara Bayles (13:48):
And especially if you've got a Reconciliation Action Plan also
known as a RAP where you've got key deliverables. So
you support organizations with those deliverables, the education, the awareness,
utilizing your conference rooms. So back in the day we
recommended to our clients that were based here in Naarm, we recommended
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utilizing Black businesses, catering, but also conference or training spaces.
So we wanted to take them out of their comfort
zones, take them out of these big buildings, bring them
into an Aboriginal space and then do an introduction in
the lunch breaks. They would then wander through and look
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at the exhibitions.
Tom Mosby (14:28):
Yeah. Yes.
Mundanara Bayles (14:30):
I noticed so many people from the public and school
kids were coming there as well. So then here I
am as a visitor to this place and I was
starting to then go, " Oh, my goodness." First I booked
a conference or a training space. The catering that came, them
fellows knew you too as well, right? There's this this relationship.
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Then I even met the late Uncle Jack Charles. As
I was coming there to deliver training, I was with
Greg Phillips and the last photo I've got with Uncle
Jack is outside KHT-
Tom Mosby (15:03):
Oh, fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (15:03):
... with my deadly brother, Professor Gregory Phillips. So the
community people also utilized the space.
Tom Mosby (15:13):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (15:14):
That's what I always say is important to a lot
of our corporates is that supporting Black businesses, Indigenous First
Nations businesses so that we don't have to rely on
government funding, for corporates to use the same money that
they would've spent on other event spaces that are all around
here. How about looking for First Nations owned and operated
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because we know that for every $ 1 that they spend
with an Indigenous business, it's $ 4. 41 in terms of
the social impact that's created? So for anyone looking for
spaces, come to these fellows here, KHT, Koorie Heritage Trust. Book
your next conference, your team meetings, your offsite, your strategy
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days. You will not be disappointed. I haven't done the
walking tour, but I did do the training. I wanted
to learn about Victorian Aboriginal culture and history because I
was coming here so much. Flying in, coming to the
hotel, deliver the training, back on the next plane, and
no time to just go and look at country, go
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and learn about the country, understanding the river right next
to me. What is that name for that river? The
totem system. Who are the elders? Where are the borders,
the boundaries? So I started to look for my own
kind of cultural or professional development.
Tom Mosby (16:42):
Which I think is great because I think it's ... I mean, we offer it to corporates, we offer
it to non- Indigenous organizations, but hearing you talking about
that it's also about when you come from a different
state, I mean when Aboriginal people, Indigenous people come from
somewhere else to actually learn about community and place and
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country down here is also important, but also a really
nice thing and a sign of respect for us because
I mean, coming from the Torres Strait I'll still acknowledge
whenever I stand up to acknowledge country, I acknowledge that
I am on country, but I'm a visitor to this
country. I think for all of us coming into Melbourne,
for us to actually acknowledge that and respect that is fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (17:25):
It's like an extension of a welcome to country. So
how can we package up as really deadly successful Black
businesses and enterprises that are based in different states and
territories, how can you package up your local history as
a training package that's an extension of a smoking ceremony
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or a welcoming, but it's offered to First Nations' visitors?
People that have been here and living here, you know
they might be here for 40 years, but still didn't know that hey,
they're Bunurong or they're Taungurung or they're Djadjawurrung. Now these mob
are from there and this is the relationship that maybe
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good relationship, maybe not good relationship. So just understanding some
of that history will let you know then if you're
trying to engage with local mob, do you have the
same mob in the same room at once? There's a
lot of learning for us as Blackfellas as well, living and working
with these different organizations.
Tom Mosby (18:30):
And also, I mean the one thing that we find
at the KHT as well, I mean we have a
collection. We have a amazing collection of both historical and
contemporary artworks. It's a resource there for our Indigenous artists
that can come in and actually go through the collection
and learn about, especially with the historical work that we
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have, learn about traditional techniques, traditional design because we acknowledge
that places like Victoria, New South Wales, Tasmania, there's a
much long history of settlement than other parts of Australia,
and there's a much greater loss of that cultural knowledge.
So for us being the sort of custodian of the
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material heritage, that can actually help people rediscover, I think
is really important.
Mundanara Bayles (19:20):
Rediscover and reconnect.
Tom Mosby (19:22):
And reconnect.
Mundanara Bayles (19:23):
You know, that's so important for mob, isn't that they find the
opportunities and the right organizations where they feel that they can come in
and sit there, have a cup of tea. That's what
I noticed when I was there, this sense of belonging
and community. We're having a cup of tea and I thought, " Jesus
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is dead. This would not have happened in one of
those corporate buildings. I would not have bumped into another Blackfella."
Tom Mosby (19:51):
Yeah, and it's always really exciting when we see that, that people
actually connecting in the space. Brilliant. I think the physical space
as well. I mean we're trying to create ... We're obviously
in a building that was designed by a non- Indigenous
architect and built about 20 years ago, but what we've
tried to do internally when we've actually refitted the building
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is to actually represent Victorian Aboriginal design values, but also contemporary
design values as well. It's really about showcasing that. So
when people come into the space they actually see a
space that reflects where we as First Nations People living
in Victoria, where we are today. People come in, and
I mean we still struggle with that. People still come
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in thinking, " We're going to walk into an Aboriginal space,
we're going to see dot paintings everywhere. We're going to
see all of the iconography from up north." Whereas, this
is really about saying, " No, sorry. This is Victoria and
it's an education for you. Coming into this space, seeing
this physical building, It's about educating you around what we
have in Victoria."
Mundanara Bayles (20:56):
Well, how did you end up doing business with ANZ?
That's what I'm curious about. I know ANZ do some really
deadly things in our community. They support a lot of
Indigenous businesses. They've got their Indigenous business bankers now because
I've got one, which is pretty deadly. So how did ANZ and KHT
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first start kind of take off or hit it off?
Tom Mosby (21:19):
ANZ was a partner with the KHT years ago, so even before I
started. So when I started, ANZ was ... And we had
really great support from ANZ, and then that relationship sort
of dropped off and we reconnected after COVID. It's like
a relationship. We reconnected after COVID and they were really
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keen to look at how they can support the KHT
in terms of achieving our vision, but at the same
time by supporting us, it was also reaching into their
Reconciliation Action Plan as well. So we, like I said,
reconnected after COVID and have developed a fantastic relationship where
they support our exhibitions program, our temporary exhibitions program. That,
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for us is a really big thing because we really ... Even
though 50% of our revenue is self- generated and we
get funding from elsewhere, that type of corporate funding for
us is really important, especially in that exhibitions and public
programming space because they're all project by project. At the
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same time we're able to give back to ANZ, you know
things like cultural awareness training, tours, the use of our
meeting rooms and spaces. So there's a reciprocal relationship there.
Mundanara Bayles (22:35):
I was going to say the same thing, right? In our culture, reciprocity. It's
so important that you give, you take, you give back
and make sure that it's mutually beneficial.
Tom Mosby (22:50):
Exactly.
Mundanara Bayles (22:50):
So ANZ are a leader in reconciliation. They're a bank, they're
very big, got a lot of influence with their customers
and with their employee base and with the whole community
that they're part of as well. So they're creating societal
change. They're part of this kind of, when you think
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about the reconciliation movement, even bigger than that because they're
basically putting their money where their mouth is.
Tom Mosby (23:21):
Exactly. I agree. Exactly. You know, it's not just us
taking that corporate dollar. It's, how do we actually work with ANZ
to support them in terms of recruitment of First Nation
employees, First Nation customers as ANZ customers? They're a really important
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thing because it's also acknowledging within the corporate structure as
First Nation People, and this goes back to that cultural
awareness, the nuances of dealing with employees and a customer
base that isn't used to saving, isn't used to all of
that sort of Western banking tradition, but we need to
as people, we need to be part of that. I
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think it's very important.
Mundanara Bayles (24:05):
We do, especially if we want to be part of and
contribute to the economy.
Tom Mosby (24:09):
Yeah, but also be successful in the economy.
Mundanara Bayles (24:14):
Be successful, yeah. I think a lot of financial institutions, a lot of them,
superannuation, banks, insurance companies, all these, they're really big kind
of institutions. They're big businesses. Our mob that might work
in there might feel quite isolated. They might feel alone
because we are a minority in this country.
Tom Mosby (24:34):
We are. We are.
Mundanara Bayles (24:35):
You know? We could be definitely a minority within a
much bigger team. Having an opportunity to know that, " Hey,
our organization supports First Nations enterprises, community initiatives, those on-
country cultural immersions for Victorian people to actually connect to
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this country and create that sense of belonging." That's got
to be a good thing, especially for our mental health.
Tom Mosby (25:06):
I completely agree. Also, it's understanding us and our values.
I mean, the two of us, I mean we cross both worlds. We are coming to
live in big cities, all of that, but I think
of my family up north still living on remote islands,
villages of 100, 120 people, but they still have banking needs.
They still have needs that actually ... But as big corporate
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organizations, how do you actually work with those communities?
Mundanara Bayles (25:33):
How do they extend their reach? How do they get to
those communities? That's why this partnership to me is so
important that people like ANZ invest in this podcast, which
platforms and gives opportunities for you mob, KHT, you as
(25:57):
a Torres Strait Islander man, it gives you an opportunity
to showcase what you do and then talk to our
audience, our listeners about how they can then get involved.
How can they support you? What would be the best
way for people to get in contact with you? Is
it easy just to go kht. com. au?
Tom Mosby (26:17):
Get online.
Mundanara Bayles (26:18):
How do they-
Tom Mosby (26:18):
Get online, website, it's kht.com.au.
Mundanara Bayles (26:18):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (26:18):
Yeah, yeah.
Mundanara Bayles (26:22):
Yeah.
Tom Mosby (26:23):
Everything's online. So check out our website, all of our
email addresses, telephone numbers there or just drop in. Go to Fed
Square. We're actually just off the main plaza. So when
you're walking up the main plaza we're on the right,
directly opposite ACMI. It's so central, easy to get to.
Mundanara Bayles (26:43):
Yeah. Well, if I could say working with ANZ, just
to give other people a bit of an insight into
how that relationship. Is there one thing there that you're
just really proud of with this relationship or is there
someone in particular that has just gone above and beyond
(27:03):
for you fellas to support you today that you want to give a mention to or-
Tom Mosby (27:06):
I think, I mean, it's all of our corporate partners that are very important, like I
said, to our success. So the support we get from
ANZ, I mean that enabled us to present ... At the
moment we actually have an exhibition by a young kid
called Josh Muir, who was a rising star in the
art world, but suffered as most of our young kids
(27:30):
do, but also our young boys, especially mental health, went
up and down and unfortunately passed away about two years
ago. He was only in his 30s, but he was
exhibiting at the National Gallery of Victoria as part of
White Night in 2016 projecting onto the facade of the
National Gallery of Victoria. We're doing a retrospective of his
(27:53):
artwork, working with his partner and mother which has been
the best experience. We've presented and we have ... It's on
at the moment, this amazing exhibition that just looks at
this creative talent who left us too early, but we
can only do that with the support from corporate partners.
Mundanara Bayles (28:12):
And without ANZ this exhibition might not have happened for
a bit longer, but was able to happen.
Tom Mosby (28:22):
Was able to happen.
Mundanara Bayles (28:22):
And it's happening right now.
Tom Mosby (28:22):
Yeah, and it's happening right now.
Mundanara Bayles (28:25):
Too deadly. Well, I am really excited for the fact
that our mob can hear this yarn, but I'm even
more excited that more mainstream Australians that listen to Black
Magic Woman may be on the iHeart app, might be
a customer of ANZ that now know, " You know what?
This is a deadly bank. I'm going to keep banking
with them." So look bala, I just want to say
(28:47):
it's been an absolute pleasure to see you again, to
catch up, to have you on the couch and to
hear about the deadly work you fellas are doing with ANZ at The
Koorie Heritage Trust.
Tom Mosby (28:58):
And right back at you. This is great. Fantastic.
Mundanara Bayles (29:00):
I can't wait to come check out the new space.
So on that note, you fellas, I really do hope
that you share this podcast because not many people know
about the deadly things that we do in our communities. So
Black Magic Woman is where it's at. So on that
note, I hope you've enjoyed this episode. Until next time,
bye for now. If you'd like any more info on
(29:22):
today's guest, please visit our show notes in the episode
description. A big shout- out to all you deadly mob
and allies who continue to listen, watch and support our
podcast. Your feedback means the world. You can rate and
review the podcast on Apple and Spotify or even head
to our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a
(29:44):
line. We'd love to hear from you. The Black Magic
Woman Podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
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