January 14, 2025 • 37 mins
In this special "Best Of" episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast, we revisit one of our most heartfelt and inspiring yarns with a guest whose journey embodies resilience, pride, and representation. Hailing from the lands of the Whadjuk Noongar people, this trailblazer is known for breaking barriers in Australian media as a celebrated news presenter and advocate for social justice.
Our mystery guest grew up as the youngest of five daughters in a loving, culturally rich household and now uses their platform to amplify Indigenous voices across the country. They traveled over 36,000 kilometers in 2023 alone, engaging with grassroots communities, elders, and leaders, all while bringing authenticity and lived experience to the stories they tell.
Here’s a clue: You’ve likely seen this Black Magic Woman in the spotlight—whether anchoring the news, dancing in trackies on Instagram, or hosting thought-provoking conversations about cultural heritage and equality.
Can you guess who it is before the big reveal? Tune in to celebrate this iconic episode with a guest who truly embodies the spirit of the Black Magic Woman Podcast! 🌟
✨ We’re on holidays and will return with new episodes on the 22nd of January 2025! In the meantime, enjoy this unforgettable yarn and relive one of our best moments on the podcast. 🎧✨
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Quite cast unite our voices.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:07):
Slash beerz Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners
of the land we have recorded this episode on. We
also acknowledge traditional owners of the land where you the
listener or viewer are tuning in from. We would like
to pay our respects to our elders past and present
and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal land and always
(01:29):
will be Aboriginal Land.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Baal.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast.
I am here on the beautiful lands of the Gadiger
peoples in Sydney, which is quite special to me, and
I've shared this often on the podcast whenever I'm recording
here in Sydney, that there's this kind of long history
(02:03):
where my family have been here in Redfern, which has
got a good country since the eighteen forties. So whenever
I'm here, I feel like I'm home. Even though I
live with my family on Kaby Kabby Country up in Queensland,
I still don't identify as a Queenslander. People should know that.
(02:24):
So today I am joined here on the couch here
at Darling Harbor with a beautiful sister, Norelda Jacobs. So
can I just say or even arks if you don't
mind introducing yourself, just to share with our listeners and
also our viewers on YouTube, tell us a bit about yourself.
I actually just was online with Bank West mob Delivery
(02:45):
training and I said, you not going to believe who
I've got coming up on my podcast? I said, shelf Hants,
who has heard of NARALDA Jacobs and all of these hands.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Went well, as a West Australian company, there you go,
it's Bank West, Bank West.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So for those for people that don't know, you don't
know your story, do you want to share with us?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But well, first of all, thank you Mondon Nara. I've
been waiting for my call.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Up for this podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Diary, that's right, So I'm so happy that this has happened.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm from Borlo, Perth, born.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And bred, West Australian. My dad is Wagajnga. He sadly
passed away five years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
My mum is British.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
She's Northern Irish and she came out with her parents
from Northern Ireland when she was about eight or nine.
Around the same time my dad was stolen from his
family and placed in a mission Mcgumber Mission.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
They met as young adults, fell in love.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My mum was starting a young art church, had started
a young art church actually, so she was kind of
carrying her parents and missionaries. They came out here too
because they were missionaries.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
She was exposed to AMM yes at a younger age. Yes,
which is interesting. Yes, it is interesting how they view
us and their interactions with us.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yes, she's a fiercely determined person. She has very she
has very strong convictions about justice. And I was gonna
say equality, but not all the way equality which we
might get to a bit later.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Black man racial equality early days and what they would
have ensured. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, So then they fell in love. My mum was
a pastor of a church. My dad became a Christian,
went to the church. They you know, I fell in
love with the pastor. They get married, have five children.
I'm the youngest of five girls, daughters, no brothers.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I did not know that about that.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, So being the baby, I don't know where do
you sit.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm in the middle where Jerika always says she's in
the middle, because that's five older than me and three younger,
so she's technically the middle. But I still, you know,
I feel like I was the middle charm because I
was the one that kind of knowe knew where I was.
The oldest is always doing everything, The youngest is always
getting away with everything in the middle chance nowhere to
be seen. Oh, it's easy to get up to mischief. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, so it's true what they say about the middle
the baby and what was a baby in your family
showered with love?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Definitely?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, so that's my story.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I've been surrounding the baby, right, Yeah. And I so
I had a very loving upbringing. Everyone was always looking
after me. Lots of hugs and you know, lots of
you know, physical affection and kisses on my cheeks, and
there was always there was always someone being loving towards me.
(05:46):
It was it was a really beautiful way to grow up. Actually,
So you know, I have a lot of love to give.
Maybe as a result, I don't know. And so yeah,
I have, I've quite a positive outlook on life.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Actually. So you grew up been like basically a black household, right,
And when I took about black house salts, because not
everybody that's Aboriginal has had that experience to grow up
in a black house sung yeah, and that we talk
about black love and black joy, but that love I
remember as a kid as well. But also thinking about
(06:21):
babies that you never let a baby cry. You're always
going who's got that baby. Don't let the baby cry.
I picked the baby up. So that kind of yeah,
looking after loving even when you're little, you've got a
baby on your hip, yes, so yeah, yes, absolutely mean
on the hip with four big sisters, always, always and.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We My dad was involved in aberageal politics and.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So he he would go away to Camber quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And they were very good with money, my parents.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So they bought a house in suburb in suburban Perth,
which I thought was a really nice part of town,
you know, but it was. It was just kind of
on the outer suburbs. Like when I go past it now,
I'm like, oh, I thought this was amazing, you know. Yeah,
And but it was very it was quite a multicultural area,
(07:15):
uh the but it was very white. It was a
very white suburb. And we had a shield with a
spear for our letter box. So when you say black household,
like that's that was what people were greeted insta come
to our home.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It was right.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We were so proud.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But you know, even thinking back now, like you know today,
me living on the sunny coast, I won't even put
an Aboriginal flag sticker on my cart. Having back in
the Dane Perth having that letter box, living in a
white neighborhood, did you experience much kind of you know
racism being in a blended not not not a blended family.
(07:57):
What you said, Yeah, you've got a white mum and
a black dad.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well we mixed race, a mixed I think I was
protected from it because I don't have a memory of
I don't have a lot of memories of things like
that happening, yeah, which is like, yeah, I mean I
was called names at private school because it was a
white you know primary school. We were the only black
fellows in the in the school. There was one other
aboriginal girl in the school actually in my year, and
(08:23):
that was that we were the only black fellows in
the whole school.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And so there, you know, there were there were incidents,
but we were fiercely proud of our aboriginality.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
My dad, I would you know how you tell news
at school? At primary school, that was like my favorite
thing to do is tell news. And once a year
I would bring my dad in to as the news
as like this is my dad, he is young, yeah,
and he could play the didgeridoo and this is a
banksherflower and this is a this is a boomerang. And
(08:53):
so he would and he would just come and every year.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But he was your show on town.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
He was my show and tell.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But the thing, the thing that makes me last laugh
now is that you know, during primary school you do
each year with the same kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So they got it again and again and again and
again and again throughout from.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Year one to GISs of it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And he always turned up, always turned up.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And even now with my own daughter going through primary school,
he would also turn up for her, which is just
such a beautiful thing that Jade has those memories of
Pop being at her school assembly doing the welcomes, painting
the children's faces. Like it's a really beautiful thing, like
to have seen that through the eyes of a mother,
(09:36):
that there's a you know that my dad was able
to do it for his grandchild and his grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It was that's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was going to say in terms of like with schooling,
did you finish year twelve? Because I'm an eight sisters,
and my older sister Elaine finished high school and then
there's four that didn't. Then there's me and then the
three under Ben and he did it, but and our
kid did So I remember my dad saying to me
(10:04):
out of because my mom and dad had five daughters together,
and he said, you know, if you finish your twelve,
I'll take you anywhere in the world. The only reason
why I graduated really, where did you go? I went
to Fiji? Wasn't that far away? Have I married to
Fijis and I got to Fiji? That's awesome, Spain, I
(10:31):
could I relieved. I could have went to anywhere. I
could have went to New York, which I still haven't
been to. But no, I was like Fiji. All the
photos of the islands in paradise, and I'm like, that's
why I want to go. It was the first and
only holiday with my dad. You know, eight sisters all
growing up in a three bedroom house. So yeah, we're
(10:54):
quite lucky. So I ended up finished time school because
Dad said I'll take you anywhere around the world. So
I was wondering, did you end up finishing high school?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I did finish high school. Yes, that was that was
instilled in us to finish school and then to go
to university.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It was that there were the steps, you know, you
did the steps.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You went to school, you went to university or some
kind of tertiary education.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Red.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, some kind of high red.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And then you you know, you my parents were I
did say that they were good with money. So they
were property buyers, you know, so they saw the value
in buying land and buy buying their house and not
renting it and all those sorts of things. So it
was like, yeah, finish school, go to tertiary, get a job,
and buy a house. Yeah yeah, and then the rest
is well, you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, so did you know because most people will know
your face from Channel ten being on TV. Yeah, and
for black fellows, we would say that Naralda was one
of the first blackfaces that we get to see on
mainstream hues. Like I can turn the TV on the
morning and there's a black woman looking at me and
(12:00):
usually dressed in average normal.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I try to yes, allow mcgali.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes, So there's the fact that you represent, you know,
on TV as a black woman, but also with all
of the I've got to do better, right Mimi and
Ginder Oh yeah, right, when I saw that on you
on TV.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Mara Mara is like a newsreader's staple, blackfellow newsreaders staple
or TV presenter. Interesting you say that Mondonara because I
got my first doob at Channel teen in the year
two thousand in Perth, and so I moved to Sydney
in twenty twenty and I'd already had this huge career
as being a news anchor, a journo on the road,
(12:46):
a reporter and then reading the Perth News for twelve
years before I even moved to Sydney. And so I
moved to Sydney and I felt like I had to.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Start from scratch.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So it's only been in the last three years that.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
People have that I've been able to go hey everyone
here I am.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know, I've got quite a bit of a year
in years, yes, yeah, in the media industry yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, but only the last three on a national level. Yeah,
on a national scale. And also even though I have
been with Channel ten for twenty three.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Years, which I didn't know that a lot of people
from NI TV.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
From the White Point Yeah, yes, brother boy, John Paul JP,
everyone knows Jun Janki yeah on the point. So most
people recognize you from the Point.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
On the Point.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's It's fantastic, And especially this year, a lot of
people are tuning into the referendum road trip yes, how
is that it's been really good? As JP has done
some calculations, we've done over thirty six thousand kilometers.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, recording traveling, Yeah, recording episodes in every state and
territory we have. This year, we've spoken to to blackfellows
from you know, grassroots community members who are rolling out programs,
to journos, to senators, to company bosses, to tour operators,
(14:15):
you know, execs at the AFL tenure Hosh.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Sally Scales, artists like, there's there's so many.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
People, people involved in cultural heritage, people involved in injustice,
in youth, all all manner of things. We've spoken to
them this year while we've while we've been trying to
cover the referendum and and allowing people to tell their
stories and share their issues.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I was going to say, how important is it? How
important is it for us to have our own media
to tell our stories and to go to our communities
where people recognize your face so then they're more likely
to actually engage, want to be on camera. How's it like?
Tell me, can you share with this some of the
people that you've met in terms of some of the
(15:00):
stories that you've heard. Is there anyone. I'm sure that
they all.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, I've learned so much. When we're in Rockhampton,
Uncle Mick Gooda was there and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
As a Gungaloo man from the Dawson River, which is
the river that my dad used to take us back to,
so big Shannon to Uncle McK here was my first
ever guest.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh wow, magic, awesome, Uncle Mick.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know, that was a really great conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We we talked about native title in that place and
a recent court decision. We talked about intergenerational trauma being
a medical condition, like playing out medically and he he
got really.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Choked up in the in the episode.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And you know when you see our elders become emotionally
when they talk about mob and outcomes for mob, it's
a really you know that we're really striking a nerve
here and if this is something that everyone needs to hear.
And the same thing when we went to Tandania Adelaide,
(16:07):
Uncle Charlie Jackson also became very emotional, you know, talking
about children, talking about our future and so we're having
these really deeply personal conversations. But the best thing about
inn ITTV is that they do the community engagement exceptionally
well before we've even recorded. They've been there for days,
(16:29):
meeting with the elders and making sure that all the
protocols have been observed. And we have the permission to
be there before we even start rolling.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And that's the most important thing, right is you know,
you don't just turn up. I think this is really good,
especially for non Indigenous Australians. It could work in an
organization that has a reconciliation action plan and you've got
community engagement as part of one of your deliverables. And
a lot of people always say to me, so I
deliver training, how do we know who the community are?
(16:59):
How do we know who the elders are? How do
we know who are the rightful peace form treasure liners?
Who are authority? You know who's the boss for this country? Yep?
Where do we go?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That is so important. That's a starting point to start.
That's where you start.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, And all this ground work is done, yes for
you and JP just turn up, Yeah with a camera
crew and start filming.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yes, And the right people need to be contributors and
if there's not a space, if there's not space on
the panel, they need to contribute in some way and
you need to be able to have the time. You
know what that's like.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You need to have the time to sit down.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Don't just think you're turning up for your two hours
to get your twenty minute episode.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Controlling behavior isn't a normal part of a healthy relationship.
Coercive control is a pattern of abusive behaviors like gas lighting, jealousy, isolation,
and financial control used by a person to dominate or
control their partner. It can hurt, humiliate, isolate, frighten or
threaten someone, and it can be hard to identify as
(18:07):
it can be subtle and escalate over time. Coercive control
in a relationship is never okay. The laws are changing
in Queensland. Search coercive control to find out more. You'll
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Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I'm going to say this to everyone. I fear
like you and I have known each other for years
because I've been following you and you yeah, and then
what We just message each other every now and again
and just check in and say hello. But your beautiful videos.
The track is uh so, I literally love a Nike track.
(19:10):
If he doesn't like a tracksuit pants, right, I even
have tns and my kids right, don't like been seen
in public with me, but I've got my tans on. Anyhow,
you and Karina with your track, he's doing your little
dance on Instagram. I just I wish my husband well
come on and have some fun with me, but he won't.
(19:31):
He does not want to be seen.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You need a willing participant. It's hard to make the
magic when it's just you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
How you, as Karina, a willing participant loves us, yes,
doesn't mind the tracks of me.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
This is kind of that was just last time.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Figure out. Everyone knows Karina because she's always on Instagram
with Nala.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Look, it was the cold weather was back, and so
this is our last chance to make the most of
our track suits. So we're like, come on, let's just
be DAGs. Listeners to be idiots last Street.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But it's one way where people can start to see
you and can I with you, but just see you
as a normal person.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, it's because I I I'm got my makeup on,
my TV makeup on now because you know this, But
also I do have something else tonight which I'll be
on stage and presenting, so I wanted to keep my
makeup on.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I have makeup every day for work for TV. But
as soon as I don't need it, I take it
off straight away because that's that's not who I am,
And so I want people to see.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Who I really am.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, there's a there's a work persona, but also
then there's there's the silly me at home. And you know,
I would like to think that I am. I am
the same person in that range. I'm the same person,
but just one has makeup and one doesn't, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So I can still be serious.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And yeah, my corporate professional Yeah, and if I can
dance at the news desk can be silly at the
news desk, I would, but we're dealing with serious issues,
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But when I when, but when it's happy and when
it's not so serious.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, I know, get quite loose.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I love it. I love it, and I just want
to before I leave you. I know we're going to
wrap up some but you know, there's a lot of
our mob and they're you know, now their journalists, their doctors,
their lawyers. We've got so many graduates across all different
disciplines and university. But for you, as a you know,
(21:29):
Aboriginal woman in media, in mainstream media, can you share
with you know, some of our mob that may be
starting a career in media or in journalism, just some
of them. Is there some advice, any tips that you
would give them, especially knowing that they're going to be
in a space where they may be the only person
(21:50):
or person of color even right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You have to be really passionate for telling stories, for
allowing other people to tell their stories. When you're starting
out in journalism. There is no ego in journalism because
you're telling other people's stories. You are, you are the vehicle. Yeah,
And so when I was starting out, I was told
(22:15):
it's not about you, it's not about you. And even
when I was reading the news, you know, I was told,
you're one of many, like and I think it was
to not create a monster, you know, like like someone
with a big ego who thought that the successive things was.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
All down to them.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You're one of a team, So there's an element of
that that that brings true. But also I love to
see people's personalities come through in their stories, and I
love to see their lens applied to the stories because
for so long stories have been told by a type
of person and they're not us, you know, they're so
(22:55):
far from who we are, and we still see it
reflected in the news that's covered now. You know, when
when you incidents of crime happen, it's seen through a
certain lens, or when we're talking about children in custody,
it's seen through a certain lens. When we see people
who are tasered. You know, why would we care about
(23:16):
someone who's tasted and then not somebody else who's tasted,
you know, So the lenses are applied, whether we like
it or not. So we should be black fellows as journo's.
We need to start telling the stories. To be in
there and tell the stories and apply our lens to
the story.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's so important for our mom to take up these spaces. Yes,
as journalists as well to be able to communicate from
a black lens or from our perspective, especially when it's
part of our lived experience.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Totally, because lived experience trumps everything else, everything else lived experience.
I mean, Canberra Parliament House would be a different place
if everybody was there based on their lived experience and
who have that lived experience to be able to help
the rest of the country in creating the policy that
(24:07):
could that can help the rest of the country.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It would lived experience. It trumps everything else. I can't.
I can't say it any any other way.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So when you apply your lived experience to everything, then
it's always.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Going to be from a very authentic place of course.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, that's going to say you're going to get the
best of the best ye and apply that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, because that's what people are looking for. That's what
the Voice to Parliament is all about. Is it's about
what is your lived experience like and how can we
improve outcomes for every for everyone, for all of us
all more.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't know if you're getting a lot when you're
just in terms of the Voice to Parliament, Are you
finding any online even with your own kind of socials?
Are you finding a lot of negativity? And if you are.
I would love for you to share, how are you
looking at yourself?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I I you know, I get my fair share of trolling.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But I'm in a very unique position because I am
a presenter on TV and I have to be impartial
and I have to ask the questions. So for that reason,
I can't put forward my position. I can't take a
stance on the boys to Parliament. I'm not telling people
to vote yes or to vote no. Therefore no one
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is actually coming after me.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's this really interesting. It's a really position. You know
that people they're.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Still coming after me because as much as I try
to be impartial, you.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Still cop it. Yeah, you still cop it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So yeah, I'm a I'm in quite a quite a
unique position where I have a platform to be able
to share information and ask the questions that need.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To be asked and people to then make an informed decision.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And fact check on the run, you know, which which
is really important to be able to fact check people
when they've got it wrong, of course.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But I want to end with this, especially you know
what's going on in this country right now, which we
do know that the referendum is coming up. Some kind
of advice you'd give, especially our mob in terms of
looking after themselves. I know that I seen Nakida Ridgeway
on LinkedIn recently, just you know, promoting one three yarn. Yes,
(26:18):
high rates of online trolls and what would you say,
a lot of our moms that are listening or watching.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This y you you will be very pleased to know
that your voice and Stan's voice came at a very
important time for me. So I was on a plane
and this was it was actually months after you had
your yarn with Stan dropped on this podcast, and I
was on a plane and I I really needed to
(26:45):
hear everything that you need that you had to say.
So and the thing that cut through the most and
gave me most comfort was the question that you asked
to stand and he said, it is hard. It is
hard at the moment, and hearing that validation a firm
how I was feeling and that it was okay to
(27:06):
feel like what I was going through was a struggle
because you know, and he was speaking directly to first
stations journals. I don't know who were you thinking of
when you asked him at that question, what's your advice
to other first stations journos in newsrooms?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And they might be the only one. And he said,
just know that it is hard, and I was like, oh,
how does he know? How do you know? I was
looking at that flying going, oh my goodness talking to me,
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And so you have to find those moments. Listen to podcasts.
There's so many podcasts out there that could be a comfort.
There's information out there. Last night Karina told me don't
look at Twitter before you go to sleep, because I
was looking at Twitter or X.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I was looking and she was like, put it down,
put the phone down, so that I cleaned my head.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I don't have Facebook, my personal Instagram, or Twitter on
my phone, so obviously I don't. I don't have it
on my phone.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So my advice to look after my own mental health
and to be present with my kids and not let
all of this outside noise consume me. I get asked
about the voice every minute of the day. I deliver
training culture, capital of Training. Well, every question is what's
my stance? And I always said, same as you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
What Monday we can do in an hour will change
an organization's trajectory. Let me just say that I've seen
you in action. Mandad it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Surrenders on the first Nations Advisory for Football Australia in Australia,
and we got to watch a game the Materialities, which
was amazing. And then I saw you at the book
festival down here Taylor read and Stand Yes Spoke, which
was unbelievable, and then got to hang out at the
pub down here and just have a feed.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yep. So I think of those moments that look and
something that Sand says a lot is that when he
needs it the most, the ancestors will put someone in
front of him, like you or like Tila walking down.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Their beach, you know, because they both.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Had dinner with Tila last night.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Wow oh I saw.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So he reached out to me and said can we
have a yarn? I'm like, oh my god, and I
would love to have a yan with you.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And then the other day, like Karina and I are
at Spice Alli, like a food area, and it was
a weird time to day. It was like five o'clock
in the afternoon, four o'clock in the afternoon and Amy
Tunic was there with Amy's husband Luke, and I hadn't
seen them for ages, you know, So we set sit
together and eat and have a great yarn, and we
catch up that they are random people that you bump
(29:51):
into that the ancestors know that you need to see
them in that moment, you know, so, so you have
to be open to seeing those things. Like when that happens,
you can easily walk past the person. Yeah, but it's
happened for a reason, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Just let it, let it breathe.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I know. I literally I remember when I run into
at the pub because I thought I was going to
see you at the book thing, and I end up
giving your T shirt to someone, your Black Magical my
T shirt. And I said to them, by the way,
this was from Norelda Jacobs and like, oh my god,
you're giving it to me. And I was like, yes,
it's all good. I'll see Narrelda again and I'll hook
(30:29):
her up. And they could not believe your T shirt.
So remind me. I'm going to send you a tea
so you can represent. But I just want to say,
finally we're able to jump on here and have this yarn.
If there's anything that you want to share with anyone,
doesn't have to be about the referendum, going to be
about the work that you're doing. Is there anything in
(30:50):
the pipeline? Is anything that you want to share with us?
So you haven't? Ah? Can they hear it here? Not?
Well that magic woman?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean there's always things. You'll be the first to act,
will be the first to no. There's so much going on.
But I think it's just really important.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know, we're.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Moving from Perth to Sydney. Was was quite a big move,
you know, going into the unknown. Leaving an amazing job
as the newsreader for for a capital city of Perth
and then moving into the unknown was huge. But it
was a willingness to kind of step outside your comfort zone.
And then from that then it was just saying yes
to things and yes to things and meeting people and
(31:35):
making friends and making friends with you and locking Teala
down and making friends with Tila.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
You know that's hard to crack, mind you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
She reached out to me and I told her last sight,
I said, thank you for being tenderal with your time.
I'm like, Taylor, I can believe you text me. I'm
thank you for being generous with you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, but it's just saying yes to things and being
open to things. If you're open to things, then new
experiences will happen, and that experience lead to the next
opportunity and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing,
and then before you know it, you have this incredible
network of people of movers and shakers, people who are
changing the world, you know, and then you are in
(32:16):
the right place to be able to use your influence,
to be able to influence everybody around you, you know.
So that is powerful, It's really powerful. But it starts
with a single step. I mean, I know how cliche
that that is, but it does start with a single step.
And we all have the confidence on the inside to
change the world. We just need to take that step
(32:37):
and to say yes and be open to things and
make connections with people like you who you can mentor
of course you know, and I think especially for us
as black women, that you know, there's not a lot
of young people, you.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Know, in our communities that have those role models that
they can look up to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Some are living in remote communities, some are still you know,
some are here in Redfern. Yeah, and I know a
lot of my nephews and nieces like to see them
mom and go to work or studying like it's a
big deal. But for a lot of non actual fanilis,
it's normal, and so just to be that kind of
person that they look up.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
To and find someone who has faith in you, because
we don't always have faith in ourselves and we don't
often step up to opportunities.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
We have to be pushed in.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I was one of those people who had to
be pushed into opportunities because of people along the way
who've had faith in me.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So look where you want to thank you killing it,
and I'll tell you now, especially for my daughter Tiger
Lily and my big girl there's Kasaiah as well. But
for Tiger Lily to see you on the news living
in a very white neighborhood, you know, you can't be
what you can't see. And she wants to be on TV, right.
(33:51):
She's someone that is really proud of her culture, and
she's like you, she wants me to go and tell
the class and tell the kids about being a Murray
tell the as well. And I've done it with all
of my kids. But yeah, you brought back some memories
that I know, and I probably didn't think at the
(34:13):
time meant a lot to my kids until you started
talking about it. I started thinking about my kids, and
I spent four days with them, so I'm not getting emotional.
I spent four days with them here in Sydney. But
I just want to say, you know everything that you
do and for how you you know you are, what
you get is what you see, and you are real.
(34:33):
And for some of us, some of us might think
that we need to be one person in the western
world of white color world, and then we need to
be our true selves in our communities. We don't have
to know we're walking in these two worlds, but we
can still be who we are in both of those
spaces totally. I think that's what I want my kids
to grow up. I want them to realize that they
(34:55):
don't need to change who they are because they're the
only black kids in their school and they don't need
to be anything but themselves. But that's hard, right.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And we can't afford to because our entire community rely
on that, depend on that. Otherwise we would just be
the status quo if we fit in and if we
compromised ourselves too much and we compromise our culture. We
can't compromise. We can be in the rooms to change it.
That for some people is a compromise, but that's where
it ends.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Look, I just want to keep you here or Dad,
but I know you've got somewhere else to go. I
just want to say thank you for all of the videos,
the laughs, keep sharing them, but yeah, I can't wait
to catch up again and just have a yeah, have
a feed with you here in Sydney. So thanks for
stopping in here.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Am I now a black magic woman.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You are a black magic Woman's certified, But thank you
for being you and I know that there's a lot
of us that look up to you, So thank you
for this an absolute inspiration.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Wandanaa thank you and the same to you. This podcast
brings a lot of comfort to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Thank you. I literally could not believe they've finally got
Narelda on this podcast and not virtually or in the
same place at the same time, I was able to
make it happen. I really do hope that you've enjoyed
this episode. Until next time, by for now. If you'd
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Slash beerz Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners
of the land we have recorded this episode on. We
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listener or viewer are tuning in from. We would like
to pay our respects to our elders past and present
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will be Aboriginal Land.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Baal.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast.
I am here on the beautiful lands of the Gadiger
peoples in Sydney, which is quite special to me, and
I've shared this often on the podcast whenever I'm recording
here in Sydney, that there's this kind of long history
(02:03):
where my family have been here in Redfern, which has
got a good country since the eighteen forties. So whenever
I'm here, I feel like I'm home. Even though I
live with my family on Kaby Kabby Country up in Queensland,
I still don't identify as a Queenslander. People should know that.
(02:24):
So today I am joined here on the couch here
at Darling Harbor with a beautiful sister, Norelda Jacobs. So
can I just say or even arks if you don't
mind introducing yourself, just to share with our listeners and
also our viewers on YouTube, tell us a bit about yourself.
I actually just was online with Bank West mob Delivery
(02:45):
training and I said, you not going to believe who
I've got coming up on my podcast? I said, shelf Hants,
who has heard of NARALDA Jacobs and all of these hands.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Went well, as a West Australian company, there you go,
it's Bank West, Bank West.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So for those for people that don't know, you don't
know your story, do you want to share with us?
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But well, first of all, thank you Mondon Nara. I've
been waiting for my call.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Up for this podcast.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Diary, that's right, So I'm so happy that this has happened.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
I'm from Borlo, Perth, born.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
And bred, West Australian. My dad is Wagajnga. He sadly
passed away five years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
My mum is British.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
She's Northern Irish and she came out with her parents
from Northern Ireland when she was about eight or nine.
Around the same time my dad was stolen from his
family and placed in a mission Mcgumber Mission.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
They met as young adults, fell in love.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My mum was starting a young art church, had started
a young art church actually, so she was kind of
carrying her parents and missionaries. They came out here too
because they were missionaries.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
She was exposed to AMM yes at a younger age. Yes,
which is interesting. Yes, it is interesting how they view
us and their interactions with us.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yes, she's a fiercely determined person. She has very she
has very strong convictions about justice. And I was gonna
say equality, but not all the way equality which we
might get to a bit later.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Black man racial equality early days and what they would
have ensured. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Yeah, So then they fell in love. My mum was
a pastor of a church. My dad became a Christian,
went to the church. They you know, I fell in
love with the pastor. They get married, have five children.
I'm the youngest of five girls, daughters, no brothers.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I did not know that about that.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yeah, So being the baby, I don't know where do
you sit.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I'm in the middle where Jerika always says she's in
the middle, because that's five older than me and three younger,
so she's technically the middle. But I still, you know,
I feel like I was the middle charm because I
was the one that kind of knowe knew where I was.
The oldest is always doing everything, The youngest is always
getting away with everything in the middle chance nowhere to
be seen. Oh, it's easy to get up to mischief. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Right, so it's true what they say about the middle
the baby and what was a baby in your family
showered with love?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Definitely?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Yeah, so that's my story.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
I've been surrounding the baby, right, Yeah. And I so
I had a very loving upbringing. Everyone was always looking
after me. Lots of hugs and you know, lots of
you know, physical affection and kisses on my cheeks, and
there was always there was always someone being loving towards me.
(05:46):
It was it was a really beautiful way to grow up. Actually,
So you know, I have a lot of love to give.
Maybe as a result, I don't know. And so yeah,
I have, I've quite a positive outlook on life.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Actually. So you grew up been like basically a black household, right,
And when I took about black house salts, because not
everybody that's Aboriginal has had that experience to grow up
in a black house sung yeah, and that we talk
about black love and black joy, but that love I
remember as a kid as well. But also thinking about
(06:21):
babies that you never let a baby cry. You're always
going who's got that baby. Don't let the baby cry.
I picked the baby up. So that kind of yeah,
looking after loving even when you're little, you've got a
baby on your hip, yes, so yeah, yes, absolutely mean
on the hip with four big sisters, always, always and.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
We My dad was involved in aberageal politics and.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So he he would go away to Camber quite a lot.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
And they were very good with money, my parents.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
So they bought a house in suburb in suburban Perth,
which I thought was a really nice part of town,
you know, but it was. It was just kind of
on the outer suburbs. Like when I go past it now,
I'm like, oh, I thought this was amazing, you know. Yeah,
And but it was very it was quite a multicultural area,
(07:15):
uh the but it was very white. It was a
very white suburb. And we had a shield with a
spear for our letter box. So when you say black household,
like that's that was what people were greeted insta come
to our home.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
It was right.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
We were so proud.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
But you know, even thinking back now, like you know today,
me living on the sunny coast, I won't even put
an Aboriginal flag sticker on my cart. Having back in
the Dane Perth having that letter box, living in a
white neighborhood, did you experience much kind of you know
racism being in a blended not not not a blended family.
(07:57):
What you said, Yeah, you've got a white mum and
a black dad.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well we mixed race, a mixed I think I was
protected from it because I don't have a memory of
I don't have a lot of memories of things like
that happening, yeah, which is like, yeah, I mean I
was called names at private school because it was a
white you know primary school. We were the only black
fellows in the in the school. There was one other
aboriginal girl in the school actually in my year, and
(08:23):
that was that we were the only black fellows in
the whole school.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
And so there, you know, there were there were incidents,
but we were fiercely proud of our aboriginality.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
You know.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
My dad, I would you know how you tell news
at school? At primary school, that was like my favorite
thing to do is tell news. And once a year
I would bring my dad in to as the news
as like this is my dad, he is young, yeah,
and he could play the didgeridoo and this is a
banksherflower and this is a this is a boomerang. And
(08:53):
so he would and he would just come and every year.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
But he was your show on town.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
He was my show and tell.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
But the thing, the thing that makes me last laugh
now is that you know, during primary school you do
each year with the same kids.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
So they got it again and again and again and
again and again throughout from.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Year one to GISs of it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And he always turned up, always turned up.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah, he was great.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And even now with my own daughter going through primary school,
he would also turn up for her, which is just
such a beautiful thing that Jade has those memories of
Pop being at her school assembly doing the welcomes, painting
the children's faces. Like it's a really beautiful thing, like
to have seen that through the eyes of a mother,
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that there's a you know that my dad was able
to do it for his grandchild and his grandchildren.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
It was that's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
I was going to say in terms of like with schooling,
did you finish year twelve? Because I'm an eight sisters,
and my older sister Elaine finished high school and then
there's four that didn't. Then there's me and then the
three under Ben and he did it, but and our
kid did So I remember my dad saying to me
(10:04):
out of because my mom and dad had five daughters together,
and he said, you know, if you finish your twelve,
I'll take you anywhere in the world. The only reason
why I graduated really, where did you go? I went
to Fiji? Wasn't that far away? Have I married to
Fijis and I got to Fiji? That's awesome, Spain, I
(10:31):
could I relieved. I could have went to anywhere. I
could have went to New York, which I still haven't
been to. But no, I was like Fiji. All the
photos of the islands in paradise, and I'm like, that's
why I want to go. It was the first and
only holiday with my dad. You know, eight sisters all
growing up in a three bedroom house. So yeah, we're
(10:54):
quite lucky. So I ended up finished time school because
Dad said I'll take you anywhere around the world. So
I was wondering, did you end up finishing high school?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I did finish high school. Yes, that was that was
instilled in us to finish school and then to go
to university.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
It was that there were the steps, you know, you
did the steps.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
You went to school, you went to university or some
kind of tertiary education.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Red.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Yeah, some kind of high red.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
And then you you know, you my parents were I
did say that they were good with money. So they
were property buyers, you know, so they saw the value
in buying land and buy buying their house and not
renting it and all those sorts of things. So it
was like, yeah, finish school, go to tertiary, get a job,
and buy a house. Yeah yeah, and then the rest
is well, you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah, so did you know because most people will know
your face from Channel ten being on TV. Yeah, and
for black fellows, we would say that Naralda was one
of the first blackfaces that we get to see on
mainstream hues. Like I can turn the TV on the
morning and there's a black woman looking at me and
(12:00):
usually dressed in average normal.
Speaker 4 (12:04):
Yeah, I try to yes, allow mcgali.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yes, So there's the fact that you represent, you know,
on TV as a black woman, but also with all
of the I've got to do better, right Mimi and
Ginder Oh yeah, right, when I saw that on you
on TV.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Mara Mara is like a newsreader's staple, blackfellow newsreaders staple
or TV presenter. Interesting you say that Mondonara because I
got my first doob at Channel teen in the year
two thousand in Perth, and so I moved to Sydney
in twenty twenty and I'd already had this huge career
as being a news anchor, a journo on the road,
(12:46):
a reporter and then reading the Perth News for twelve
years before I even moved to Sydney. And so I
moved to Sydney and I felt like I had to.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Start from scratch.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
So it's only been in the last three years that.
Speaker 4 (12:59):
People have that I've been able to go hey everyone
here I am.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You know, I've got quite a bit of a year
in years, yes, yeah, in the media industry yeah wow.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Yeah, but only the last three on a national level. Yeah,
on a national scale. And also even though I have
been with Channel ten for twenty three.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Years, which I didn't know that a lot of people
from NI TV.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
From the White Point Yeah, yes, brother boy, John Paul JP,
everyone knows Jun Janki yeah on the point. So most
people recognize you from the Point.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
On the Point.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
It's It's fantastic, And especially this year, a lot of
people are tuning into the referendum road trip yes, how
is that it's been really good? As JP has done
some calculations, we've done over thirty six thousand kilometers.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Yeah, recording traveling, Yeah, recording episodes in every state and
territory we have. This year, we've spoken to to blackfellows
from you know, grassroots community members who are rolling out programs,
to journos, to senators, to company bosses, to tour operators,
(14:15):
you know, execs at the AFL tenure Hosh.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Sally Scales, artists like, there's there's so many.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
People, people involved in cultural heritage, people involved in injustice,
in youth, all all manner of things. We've spoken to
them this year while we've while we've been trying to
cover the referendum and and allowing people to tell their
stories and share their issues.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I was going to say, how important is it? How
important is it for us to have our own media
to tell our stories and to go to our communities
where people recognize your face so then they're more likely
to actually engage, want to be on camera. How's it like?
Tell me, can you share with this some of the
people that you've met in terms of some of the
(15:00):
stories that you've heard. Is there anyone. I'm sure that
they all.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know, I've learned so much. When we're in Rockhampton,
Uncle Mick Gooda was there and.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
As a Gungaloo man from the Dawson River, which is
the river that my dad used to take us back to,
so big Shannon to Uncle McK here was my first
ever guest.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Oh wow, magic, awesome, Uncle Mick.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
You know, that was a really great conversation.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
We we talked about native title in that place and
a recent court decision. We talked about intergenerational trauma being
a medical condition, like playing out medically and he he
got really.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Choked up in the in the episode.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And you know when you see our elders become emotionally
when they talk about mob and outcomes for mob, it's
a really you know that we're really striking a nerve
here and if this is something that everyone needs to hear.
And the same thing when we went to Tandania Adelaide,
(16:07):
Uncle Charlie Jackson also became very emotional, you know, talking
about children, talking about our future and so we're having
these really deeply personal conversations. But the best thing about
inn ITTV is that they do the community engagement exceptionally
well before we've even recorded. They've been there for days,
(16:29):
meeting with the elders and making sure that all the
protocols have been observed. And we have the permission to
be there before we even start rolling.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
And that's the most important thing, right is you know,
you don't just turn up. I think this is really good,
especially for non Indigenous Australians. It could work in an
organization that has a reconciliation action plan and you've got
community engagement as part of one of your deliverables. And
a lot of people always say to me, so I
deliver training, how do we know who the community are?
(16:59):
How do we know who the elders are? How do
we know who are the rightful peace form treasure liners?
Who are authority? You know who's the boss for this country? Yep?
Where do we go?
Speaker 4 (17:10):
That is so important. That's a starting point to start.
That's where you start.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yes, And all this ground work is done, yes for
you and JP just turn up, Yeah with a camera
crew and start filming.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Yes, And the right people need to be contributors and
if there's not a space, if there's not space on
the panel, they need to contribute in some way and
you need to be able to have the time. You
know what that's like.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
You need to have the time to sit down.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Don't just think you're turning up for your two hours
to get your twenty minute episode.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
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Speaker 1 (18:48):
So I'm going to say this to everyone. I fear
like you and I have known each other for years
because I've been following you and you yeah, and then
what We just message each other every now and again
and just check in and say hello. But your beautiful videos.
The track is uh so, I literally love a Nike track.
(19:10):
If he doesn't like a tracksuit pants, right, I even
have tns and my kids right, don't like been seen
in public with me, but I've got my tans on. Anyhow,
you and Karina with your track, he's doing your little
dance on Instagram. I just I wish my husband well
come on and have some fun with me, but he won't.
(19:31):
He does not want to be seen.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
You need a willing participant. It's hard to make the
magic when it's just you.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
How you, as Karina, a willing participant loves us, yes,
doesn't mind the tracks of me.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
This is kind of that was just last time.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Figure out. Everyone knows Karina because she's always on Instagram
with Nala.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
Look, it was the cold weather was back, and so
this is our last chance to make the most of
our track suits. So we're like, come on, let's just
be DAGs. Listeners to be idiots last Street.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
But it's one way where people can start to see
you and can I with you, but just see you
as a normal person.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Well, it's because I I I'm got my makeup on,
my TV makeup on now because you know this, But
also I do have something else tonight which I'll be
on stage and presenting, so I wanted to keep my
makeup on.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
But I do.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
I have makeup every day for work for TV. But
as soon as I don't need it, I take it
off straight away because that's that's not who I am,
And so I want people to see.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Who I really am.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
You know, there's a there's a work persona, but also
then there's there's the silly me at home. And you know,
I would like to think that I am. I am
the same person in that range. I'm the same person,
but just one has makeup and one doesn't, you know.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
So I can still be serious.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
And yeah, my corporate professional Yeah, and if I can
dance at the news desk can be silly at the
news desk, I would, but we're dealing with serious issues,
so I can't.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
But when I when, but when it's happy and when
it's not so serious.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Oh, I know, get quite loose.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
I love it. I love it, and I just want
to before I leave you. I know we're going to
wrap up some but you know, there's a lot of
our mob and they're you know, now their journalists, their doctors,
their lawyers. We've got so many graduates across all different
disciplines and university. But for you, as a you know,
(21:29):
Aboriginal woman in media, in mainstream media, can you share
with you know, some of our mob that may be
starting a career in media or in journalism, just some
of them. Is there some advice, any tips that you
would give them, especially knowing that they're going to be
in a space where they may be the only person
(21:50):
or person of color even right.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
You have to be really passionate for telling stories, for
allowing other people to tell their stories. When you're starting
out in journalism. There is no ego in journalism because
you're telling other people's stories. You are, you are the vehicle. Yeah,
And so when I was starting out, I was told
(22:15):
it's not about you, it's not about you. And even
when I was reading the news, you know, I was told,
you're one of many, like and I think it was
to not create a monster, you know, like like someone
with a big ego who thought that the successive things was.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
All down to them.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
You're one of a team, So there's an element of
that that that brings true. But also I love to
see people's personalities come through in their stories, and I
love to see their lens applied to the stories because
for so long stories have been told by a type
of person and they're not us, you know, they're so
(22:55):
far from who we are, and we still see it
reflected in the news that's covered now. You know, when
when you incidents of crime happen, it's seen through a
certain lens, or when we're talking about children in custody,
it's seen through a certain lens. When we see people
who are tasered. You know, why would we care about
(23:16):
someone who's tasted and then not somebody else who's tasted,
you know, So the lenses are applied, whether we like
it or not. So we should be black fellows as journo's.
We need to start telling the stories. To be in
there and tell the stories and apply our lens to
the story.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That's so important for our mom to take up these spaces. Yes,
as journalists as well to be able to communicate from
a black lens or from our perspective, especially when it's
part of our lived experience.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Totally, because lived experience trumps everything else, everything else lived experience.
I mean, Canberra Parliament House would be a different place
if everybody was there based on their lived experience and
who have that lived experience to be able to help
the rest of the country in creating the policy that
(24:07):
could that can help the rest of the country.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
It would lived experience. It trumps everything else. I can't.
I can't say it any any other way.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
So when you apply your lived experience to everything, then
it's always.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
Going to be from a very authentic place of course.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, that's going to say you're going to get the
best of the best ye and apply that.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, because that's what people are looking for. That's what
the Voice to Parliament is all about. Is it's about
what is your lived experience like and how can we
improve outcomes for every for everyone, for all of us
all more.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
I don't know if you're getting a lot when you're
just in terms of the Voice to Parliament, Are you
finding any online even with your own kind of socials?
Are you finding a lot of negativity? And if you are.
I would love for you to share, how are you
looking at yourself?
Speaker 4 (24:52):
I I you know, I get my fair share of trolling.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
But I'm in a very unique position because I am
a presenter on TV and I have to be impartial
and I have to ask the questions. So for that reason,
I can't put forward my position. I can't take a
stance on the boys to Parliament. I'm not telling people
to vote yes or to vote no. Therefore no one
(25:16):
is actually coming after me.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
It's this really interesting. It's a really position. You know
that people they're.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Still coming after me because as much as I try
to be impartial, you.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Still cop it. Yeah, you still cop it.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
So yeah, I'm a I'm in quite a quite a
unique position where I have a platform to be able
to share information and ask the questions that need.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
To be asked and people to then make an informed decision.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
And fact check on the run, you know, which which
is really important to be able to fact check people
when they've got it wrong, of course.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
But I want to end with this, especially you know
what's going on in this country right now, which we
do know that the referendum is coming up. Some kind
of advice you'd give, especially our mob in terms of
looking after themselves. I know that I seen Nakida Ridgeway
on LinkedIn recently, just you know, promoting one three yarn. Yes,
(26:18):
high rates of online trolls and what would you say,
a lot of our moms that are listening or watching.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
This y you you will be very pleased to know
that your voice and Stan's voice came at a very
important time for me. So I was on a plane
and this was it was actually months after you had
your yarn with Stan dropped on this podcast, and I
was on a plane and I I really needed to
(26:45):
hear everything that you need that you had to say.
So and the thing that cut through the most and
gave me most comfort was the question that you asked
to stand and he said, it is hard. It is
hard at the moment, and hearing that validation a firm
how I was feeling and that it was okay to
(27:06):
feel like what I was going through was a struggle
because you know, and he was speaking directly to first
stations journals. I don't know who were you thinking of
when you asked him at that question, what's your advice
to other first stations journos in newsrooms?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And they might be the only one. And he said,
just know that it is hard, and I was like, oh,
how does he know? How do you know? I was
looking at that flying going, oh my goodness talking to me,
That's what it felt like.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
And so you have to find those moments. Listen to podcasts.
There's so many podcasts out there that could be a comfort.
There's information out there. Last night Karina told me don't
look at Twitter before you go to sleep, because I
was looking at Twitter or X.
Speaker 4 (27:52):
I was looking and she was like, put it down,
put the phone down, so that I cleaned my head.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
I don't have Facebook, my personal Instagram, or Twitter on
my phone, so obviously I don't. I don't have it
on my phone.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
So my advice to look after my own mental health
and to be present with my kids and not let
all of this outside noise consume me. I get asked
about the voice every minute of the day. I deliver
training culture, capital of Training. Well, every question is what's
my stance? And I always said, same as you.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
What Monday we can do in an hour will change
an organization's trajectory. Let me just say that I've seen
you in action. Mandad it's incredible.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Surrenders on the first Nations Advisory for Football Australia in Australia,
and we got to watch a game the Materialities, which
was amazing. And then I saw you at the book
festival down here Taylor read and Stand Yes Spoke, which
was unbelievable, and then got to hang out at the
pub down here and just have a feed.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
Yep. So I think of those moments that look and
something that Sand says a lot is that when he
needs it the most, the ancestors will put someone in
front of him, like you or like Tila walking down.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Their beach, you know, because they both.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
Had dinner with Tila last night.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Wow oh I saw.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
So he reached out to me and said can we
have a yarn? I'm like, oh my god, and I
would love to have a yan with you.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
And then the other day, like Karina and I are
at Spice Alli, like a food area, and it was
a weird time to day. It was like five o'clock
in the afternoon, four o'clock in the afternoon and Amy
Tunic was there with Amy's husband Luke, and I hadn't
seen them for ages, you know, So we set sit
together and eat and have a great yarn, and we
catch up that they are random people that you bump
(29:51):
into that the ancestors know that you need to see
them in that moment, you know, so, so you have
to be open to seeing those things. Like when that happens,
you can easily walk past the person. Yeah, but it's
happened for a reason, you know.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Just let it, let it breathe.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
I know. I literally I remember when I run into
at the pub because I thought I was going to
see you at the book thing, and I end up
giving your T shirt to someone, your Black Magical my
T shirt. And I said to them, by the way,
this was from Norelda Jacobs and like, oh my god,
you're giving it to me. And I was like, yes,
it's all good. I'll see Narrelda again and I'll hook
(30:29):
her up. And they could not believe your T shirt.
So remind me. I'm going to send you a tea
so you can represent. But I just want to say,
finally we're able to jump on here and have this yarn.
If there's anything that you want to share with anyone,
doesn't have to be about the referendum, going to be
about the work that you're doing. Is there anything in
(30:50):
the pipeline? Is anything that you want to share with us?
So you haven't? Ah? Can they hear it here? Not?
Well that magic woman?
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Oh gosh.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I mean there's always things. You'll be the first to act,
will be the first to no. There's so much going on.
But I think it's just really important.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know, we're.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Moving from Perth to Sydney. Was was quite a big move,
you know, going into the unknown. Leaving an amazing job
as the newsreader for for a capital city of Perth
and then moving into the unknown was huge. But it
was a willingness to kind of step outside your comfort zone.
And then from that then it was just saying yes
to things and yes to things and meeting people and
(31:35):
making friends and making friends with you and locking Teala
down and making friends with Tila.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
You know that's hard to crack, mind you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
She reached out to me and I told her last sight,
I said, thank you for being tenderal with your time.
I'm like, Taylor, I can believe you text me. I'm
thank you for being generous with you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Yeah, but it's just saying yes to things and being
open to things. If you're open to things, then new
experiences will happen, and that experience lead to the next
opportunity and then a bigger thing and a bigger thing,
and then before you know it, you have this incredible
network of people of movers and shakers, people who are
changing the world, you know, and then you are in
(32:16):
the right place to be able to use your influence,
to be able to influence everybody around you, you know.
So that is powerful, It's really powerful. But it starts
with a single step. I mean, I know how cliche
that that is, but it does start with a single step.
And we all have the confidence on the inside to
change the world. We just need to take that step
(32:37):
and to say yes and be open to things and
make connections with people like you who you can mentor
of course you know, and I think especially for us
as black women, that you know, there's not a lot
of young people, you.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Know, in our communities that have those role models that
they can look up to.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
You.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Some are living in remote communities, some are still you know,
some are here in Redfern. Yeah, and I know a
lot of my nephews and nieces like to see them
mom and go to work or studying like it's a
big deal. But for a lot of non actual fanilis,
it's normal, and so just to be that kind of
person that they look up.
Speaker 3 (33:13):
To and find someone who has faith in you, because
we don't always have faith in ourselves and we don't
often step up to opportunities.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
We have to be pushed in.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
And I was one of those people who had to
be pushed into opportunities because of people along the way
who've had faith in me.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
So look where you want to thank you killing it,
and I'll tell you now, especially for my daughter Tiger
Lily and my big girl there's Kasaiah as well. But
for Tiger Lily to see you on the news living
in a very white neighborhood, you know, you can't be
what you can't see. And she wants to be on TV, right.
(33:51):
She's someone that is really proud of her culture, and
she's like you, she wants me to go and tell
the class and tell the kids about being a Murray
tell the as well. And I've done it with all
of my kids. But yeah, you brought back some memories
that I know, and I probably didn't think at the
(34:13):
time meant a lot to my kids until you started
talking about it. I started thinking about my kids, and
I spent four days with them, so I'm not getting emotional.
I spent four days with them here in Sydney. But
I just want to say, you know everything that you
do and for how you you know you are, what
you get is what you see, and you are real.
(34:33):
And for some of us, some of us might think
that we need to be one person in the western
world of white color world, and then we need to
be our true selves in our communities. We don't have
to know we're walking in these two worlds, but we
can still be who we are in both of those
spaces totally. I think that's what I want my kids
to grow up. I want them to realize that they
(34:55):
don't need to change who they are because they're the
only black kids in their school and they don't need
to be anything but themselves. But that's hard, right.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
And we can't afford to because our entire community rely
on that, depend on that. Otherwise we would just be
the status quo if we fit in and if we
compromised ourselves too much and we compromise our culture. We
can't compromise. We can be in the rooms to change it.
That for some people is a compromise, but that's where
it ends.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Look, I just want to keep you here or Dad,
but I know you've got somewhere else to go. I
just want to say thank you for all of the videos,
the laughs, keep sharing them, but yeah, I can't wait
to catch up again and just have a yeah, have
a feed with you here in Sydney. So thanks for
stopping in here.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Am I now a black magic woman.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
You are a black magic Woman's certified, But thank you
for being you and I know that there's a lot
of us that look up to you, So thank you
for this an absolute inspiration.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Wandanaa thank you and the same to you. This podcast
brings a lot of comfort to a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Thank you. I literally could not believe they've finally got
Narelda on this podcast and not virtually or in the
same place at the same time, I was able to
make it happen. I really do hope that you've enjoyed
this episode. Until next time, by for now. If you'd
like any more info on today's guest, please visit our
(36:25):
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You can rate and review the podcast on Apple and Spotify,
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Speaker 2 (36:59):
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