May 15, 2025 • 27 mins
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In this powerful yarn, I sit down with proud Badtjala, Gunditjmara and Woppaburra man, Jesse Green—founder of Yilay —a 100% Indigenous-owned apparel, promotions, and signage business based in Brisbane. Jesse shares his journey from AFL community programs to building multiple businesses with deep roots in family, culture, and community.
He speaks openly about the challenges of balancing entrepreneurship with fatherhood, the importance of cultural protocol, and the need to address issues like black cladding in the Indigenous business sector. Jesse also highlights the role of authenticity, the strength of community collaboration, and his commitment to creating intergenerational wealth—one business at a time.
This episode is packed with valuable insights for anyone passionate about genuine First Nations enterprise and social impact.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black cast, Unite our voices. Black Magic Woman Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener or viewer, are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledge that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land. Welcome to the
Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandinara Baals. Welcome back to
another episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast here on
the beautiful lands of the Yagerer Terrible Peoples here in
(00:48):
Brisbane aka Mangangen. I can't wait to share with you
that's exciting three part series with NRMA about amplifying First
Nations businesses and sharing our starfories, about our community resilience
and just who we are as Aboriginal and toush under
(01:09):
people's So you're in for an absolute treat. I've got
a deadly brother on the podcast today who I've actually
had the opportunity to do business with, So this is
going to be a pretty deadly yarn. So my brother Jesse,
it's all over to you. Do you want to share
with our listeners and our viewers on YouTube. Just a
little bit about who you are, where you come from,
(01:32):
your mob, and then we're going to get straight into
what you do. But you know, as Black Fellows, we
always start with who we are, when we come from
or yours.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, before I start, of course, i'd love to acknowledge
the truss where we gave it today, the Yaga and
Durable people, and pay my respect to elders Worth past
president Emerging. My name's Jesse Green. I'm a prayer. Butchla
Wa Bara Andamarra man so Butchola gari Or upnear Harvey Bay,
Fraser Roland formerly known Wappa Bar up near the Caple
(02:03):
Couple Islands and Gunjaamara down in southwest Victoria my grandfather's country. Yeah.
So I own a company called You're Late. We're a
one hundred percent Indigenous owned and one hundred percent Indigenous
operated which we're very proud of, apparel promotions and signage
company based right here in Brisy and have been operating
now for just over five years. So yeah, we're taking along.
(02:26):
It's it's gone pretty good. But yeah, like you said,
we've been doing stuff with Black Card and the crew
there as well for a while now and yeah, really
appreciate the sport dad Lee.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And you've had an amazing family. You cannot forget about
your beautiful wife, my sister girl Carole, and your kids.
So you're a family man. You've got a lot of
responsibilities with running a business and raising a family.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes, we're a busy wife. Yes. Can you share with
us a.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Little bit about that part of the life in business,
the craziness but the fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, so pretty much. My partner is as you said,
caroly Phillips, proud, yeah, and bungelung woman. You know, raised
born in Coughs, raised in Grafton and and come up
to here. And obviously you's got family ties as well,
so that's that's deadly. Yeah, she's she's she's very busy,
you know, by trade. She's qualified oral health, high genius,
(03:21):
you know, working kids dental. So she's been qualified there,
you know, worked with the Institute for Ages and Deadly
Choices and stuff like that, and went to the private
sector for a bit and you know now she helps
out with Aida Australian Dental Association and the A d C.
Strain Dental. She's over at the university at the moment UQ.
She's there today. Yeah, she she helps out with some
(03:43):
lettering stuff there and obviously you know she she's still
playing her soccer and stuff as well at an NPL level,
so she's busy there training and you know she she
formerly was the captain of the Indigenous Australian side the
last few years, so you know she's she's been around
the circuit. She's we're both busy and like you said,
we have three gundus. You know, one boys, he's just
(04:06):
turned eleven.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Corby big shout out, dear Corbyn.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, and I ya, your sister's got the twins, the
identical twins, Kor and Sage. So they both just turned
seven at the back end of last year. So call
them the little bosses they are?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Are they little women? Big women? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love to have a yarn and
they'll let you know too. So yeah, no, it's very busy. Obviously,
you lays one of my businesses which will touch on today. Yeah,
but obviously I have always I've got three kids and
I have three businesses as well, so one for each child.
We also have gunder range and support services with my
(04:44):
sister in law Natasha.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, big shout out to you my sister.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah Natasha and obviously Gambar workforce recruitment with my older
sister Yasmin.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So Yeah, this is this is crazy in terms of
operating like I've got black card and we do know
a bit of try a consulting, tourism, podcasting, that kind of.
Most of the time it comes under one umbrella. You've
got a business partner here, a business partner there, then
you've got your own business.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Then you across these other three.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
How how did you get into business? Like what was
it for you that led you down this pathway of
being a business owner and an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, so would have started back in my AFL days.
I used to run all the indigenous programs for AFL
Queensland across Queensland and northern New South Wales. They taught
me a lot. There was fantastic picking up the skills,
you know, just from everything from email writing to phone
calls and having the confidence to speak to absolutely random
people about stuff, which is fantastic. Picked up the skills there.
(05:50):
Prior to this, I've also worked for the Cape York
Leaders program in Cape Your Partnership so ig'ned an old
Pearson looking after kids from the Cape coming down to
boarding schools. So that was in Brisbane and Rocky So
I had about eighty kids at the time that I
look after. Pretty pretty intense for them young follows, you know,
moving from community and coming down here for the first time.
A lot of them never have left community before, so
(06:12):
they come down to a boarding school one of the
biggest in Queensland for instance, you know, a lot of
them are the big ones. Yeah, that was a good
learning curve, dealing with families, trying to be that you know,
the medium between the school which is very old school, yes,
very colonial.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's like the broker like interpreter and trying to navigate
these two very different worlds exactly for these young kids
that have probably never left their communities and remote communities
in their life, never been on a plane, yeah, exactly,
and then they've got to navigate these you know, education
higher education kind of their private school system is very
(06:51):
different to just go on to Kelvin Grove College.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You're going to your own high.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And for a lot of people that probably don't understand
the reason these kids come down to these boarding schools
is because they actually don't have any high schools in
their community. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
This is the only oppny, this is it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah. So you know, so a.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Lot of them there's no other option. If they want
to continue education, they have to leave their community exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah. Yeah, And of course a lot of them might
have family and cans and that they take that opportunity
in Kennes or Townsville still close to home, and the
program still had kids on boarding schools in those areas
as well. But you know, so that that was a
great learning curve for me. From there, I then launched
my own personal training. So we used to train yourselves
and you know, the family used to come along, and
(07:37):
a lot of the crew from Murray Country, yeah you
know over there. Triple A now used to come along,
and Clint used to come as well. Yeah yeah, so
I remember all he is coming along and we used
to run boot camps and all that for the mob.
That was my first kind of taste at running my
own business, yeah, you know, and training out of a
gym and getting used to invoicing and marketing and all
(07:58):
that kind of stuff, which was fantastic. I then transitioned.
I was a business developer at another one of my
competitors now in the indigenous baerrel space. You know, it
was great there. I had to go to them to
kind of learn the knowledge. I always had that background,
you know, I did a bit of modeling and I
was always in the fashion side of things and all
that kind of stuff. So it was great to pick
up how things are made, what kind of stitch account
(08:21):
and fabric so in depth what I do with my products.
And I feel like that that's why a lot of
our clients like our products is because it's not just
off the shelf kind of one and get the best
price and all that. We like to offer quality, you
know what I mean. So we go through our garments,
you'll come through. We've got swatched, we got the whole
lot ready to go, you know, we'll make samples and stuff.
So I think being in that space and that's where
(08:43):
I learned up a lot of the tools from those
crew to then go out and went hey, the reason
and to come back to your question, the reason I
kind of went into the space was and like a
lot of our your family, my family, my MSUs family,
a lot of our families don't have any generational wealth whatsoever.
You know, both my parents are battler's you know, come
from some community town Harvey Bay, moved down to Brisbane
(09:06):
to give their kids a better opportunity, you know, gave
us that platform, me and my sisters, my brothers. You know,
we've then taken that platform together to the next level
and then my ideas, you know, to set up these
businesses now where then my children have full rain when
they want to come in, they don't have to do
the exact same work. Powerl might not interest them at all,
but at least they've got a platform to kind of
jump off and launch whatever they need to.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But they've also been immersed.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Definitely, And I guess they also see all the hard work,
that's exactly it. They see the tears, they see the and.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The long nights and when you're not home away mum's away.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, you know because me more Curly is obviously very
committed to her stuff as well. And she just finished
managing I should have mentioned, you know, the Brisbane Raw
women's side, so you know she's managing it months or so. Yeah,
well what's it called football operation?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But she's right in there.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's like battling with the team, making sure the flights
and uniforms already massive. So she did that for the
last six or seven months. So that was a bit crazy.
He juggling at all, and obviously you know that's time
for her away from the kids. But they see that effort,
you know what I mean. And that's where I think
that's what's helped me over the years. Is I always
say I'm a bit more of an old school hustler,
(10:16):
just get what needs to be done.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The worst I've always said, and I say to my team,
you know who might be a bit shame, you know,
trying to teach him those things is you know, no
matter you're cold calling, whatever it is, worse the client
can say is no or they just don't.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Get back to you exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Just keep moving, you know what I mean. Don't dwell
on it, don't relax like learn from it. Okay, sweet,
they give you some advice back or whatever, take it
on board, but you know you've got to keep it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm gonna say, it's either running a business.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Risk, right, how do you manage risk?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Especially growing the business and now having multiple businesses?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, that's a hard one.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. And then a lot of these big organizations and
we procure us and we procure or we go in
for tenders, they ask you all these risk questions and
about your cybersecurity, where's the information stalled?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you get all of that stuff when you come
for big business.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Definitely yes, because we were supplying a product. So sometimes
I find we're even depending on who it is we
fall under, you know, we get asked all these other questions.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With stuff slavery, the Modern Slavery Act, and.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, we tick all those because obviously we've done the
big ordering process and obviously we supply some Tier one
so naturally, you know, we have to make sure that
we get ordered it every three months, sure that you know,
everything's on board.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And even now the ethical ethical practicing or buying.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, so we have both. We offer a strain
made right here in Southeast Queensland as well, so obviously
they get ordered and then our offshore to also supply
the appropriate paperwork, you know, unfortunate enough to off sure
do a lot of big international brands, so they get
to buy them as well, you know what I mean,
because they've got a reputation to of course. So yeah,
(12:08):
and that's just part and parcel of the business. Yeah,
obviously it's stressful. It's very stressful I think for you know,
young follows and that coming through trying to manage those
things and having the right people to waterboard ideas off.
Especially in the early days first year or two, you're
going to come alf, especially if you're just setting up
(12:29):
a business the first twelve months. Like they always say,
it's all cliche, is you know, if you get through
the first twelve months, you know you're pretty good. But yeah,
I think the ones that survive aren't scared to ask
the questions or go to people for help, you know.
I feel like the ones that fall over try and
do it all themselves or think they can figure out
(12:50):
the solutions when sometimes you're spending too much time on
trying to figure it out when you can literally ask
someone who's probably already outsource.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it's not outsourcing, But there are people around us
as first Nations peoples and business owners that want us
to succeed.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
There are people out there that want to do some
volunteering or want to do offer pro bono services to
help with marketing or comms or branding or even how
to use like LinkedIn for instance, to our advantage. What
would you in terms of advice to the younger generation,
the next generation of change makers. What advice would you
(13:32):
give to them about being in business, setting up a business,
work life ballots.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, exactly. I guess just taking the leap, you know,
and again all the old cliches at the moment, but
you know, I would have been kicking myself. And I
said it at the time when I went out on
my own, I said, I think in a year, I thought,
you know, a year or two ahead, do I want
to continue where I am? And will I be happy
here in a couple of years. My girls weren't born
(13:59):
yet at the time, you know that they that were
just coming along. So I said, hey, I want to
try and set something up here. And the only way
I'm going to do it, you know, I'm putting in
the work. I'm putting in the hour is already to
develop the business when it was first set up with
a business partner. But I was like, no, I want
to go out on my own.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
What kind of hours we talking about? So these young
fellas understand what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of people
have that, you know, that dream of grandeur where they think,
oh yeah, no, I'll pick my own.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I'm going to launch their clothing brand.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm just going to do you know, I might just
have a morning tea and then I'll start at midday.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And from yeah, yeah, no bosses, no one looking at
over your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That first twelve months, I guess when I went out
on my own. It was January twenty twenty as well,
so you know COVID. So COVID hit two months later. Wow,
So that was a bit crazy. I thought, yeah, let's go.
I think I'm good, you know, let's let's set it up.
And luckily Ki's mid more level headed. I got excited.
I get excited or used to get excited and go, yeah,
let's get an office and get all this. And if
I had done that, I would have fell over. Yeah,
(14:58):
of course I'd signed our twelve months lease to an
office somewhere and stuff like that. You know, settles me
down a little bit when I get excited.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You need that, don't you, someone else to just be
there to kind of keep your grounded.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Just stop and wait. Yeah, you're like me, We just
go straight in, don't it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Let's go what do we need at first? Furniture? You
know what I mean. So that's good. You know, can
we operate from home for six months or so? Yeah,
oh yeah, we can, there's no issues. Yeah, I mean,
and for the first couple of years, that's where we operated,
you know, for the last first two three years. Actually yeah,
you know, we haven't one hundred boxes come, yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Constantly taking up the living room, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Room, the loud boxes, watching TV. Yeah like this, you
know what I mean. Yeah, watching it's been there so
they see all that, you know what I mean, which
is fantastic. But to come back to my point, you know,
she she settled me down, which is fantastic, and that
kind of relaxed me and learning those early days, you know,
in the twenty twenty that was really hard because a
(16:00):
lot of people weren't buying apparel. Major thing was Vircial
apparel promotion signage.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So when we talk about apparel, the Murray School uniforms,
Medical Center uniforms, Murray Carnival, Curry, Knockout.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Wod Stuff, Hive Vis.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Everything, the whole lot, the whole lot.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And the beauty of our team is we know we've
got three sales routes, but we have two in house.
Indigenous Graphics artists. Okay that can design you full you know,
you can do a full custom artwork for you if
you want all the way through to you know, we
do aal the mock ups. We manufacture it. If you're
in Southeast Queensland, we'll deliver it to your door.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
How good is that?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So for people that are listening to this yarn right
across the country or even around the world, how would
they normally engage with you? Is it just get on
an enter and get on the website? How do you
kind of what's your first point of contact normally through
the website.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Inquiry's We've got the inquiry page obviously on the website.
Yea ideally our main go to. But obviously we're very
active on the socials. A lot of people see a
lot of our stuff there on my LinkedIn, on you
Lay two point zero, on Instagram and on Facebook as well.
Obviously we post up all the stuff we're doing and
the different community groups or schools or sporting groups that
(17:12):
we're working with. And you know, as a lot of
your viewers and listeners will be aware when you support
indigenous business, we're very proactive and then supporting the rest
of our.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Community and the artists. The artist that you're wearing a
design today. Yes, who's the artist behind that design?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Wonder Goury. So Amanda's from are in a country so
central Australias, he's out there right now. And Alice, so
that's her homeland. Amanda's Women of Us since the start,
so it's been fantastic work with wunder and now we're
actually the last two years we've had both her daughters
do a NDoc design. So last year was her oldest daughter.
This year is they've won below her the generations.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
This is generation of wealth.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We want to keep that support going for them. Yes,
we're also we're hoping they get their gallery over the line.
Her and sisters are trying to launch gallery there at home,
so we're trying to get out behind them and support
them as much as possible as well. Yeah, we promote
our artists and try and get them in front of
a lot of corporates and stuff as well for commissions
or whatever kind of work they need. Artists that are
(18:17):
partner with us, we try and share as much of
those as possible and get their names out there as well.
Because obviously, when you support indigenous business, we support the
rest of our community a big thing with me and
lay was trying to bring the community along with me.
So that's even like our photographers, our models are all Indigenous.
Lewis now who's always been with us with our photography
as well. You know, he's the last twelve months now
(18:39):
he's been full time for his photography, you know what
I mean. I like to feel like we've been helped
him to get to that level. And a lot of
other Indigenous businesses have jumped on and used him as well,
which is fantastic. But shout out to him. You know,
he's a tradesman, you know, by trade he uses working
for some big corporates in that space, but now he's
gone out on his own with his passion of photography
(19:00):
and you know he's just I know, I just saw
him put it on LinkedIn. He's got his first twelve
months out by himself, which is fantastic and will continue
to support the brother boy. You know he's from up
there from Zenacas, Yeah, from Thursday Island, and I know
he goes up there a lot and he does a
lot with his obviously his local mob now as well.
You know he's flying up there doing stuff well, you know,
to a straight regional council and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it just deadly to see other mob succeed and
you know you've played even a small part in their
successor in their journey. In wrapping up this deadly out,
I want to keep you outing with you all day.
I just want to ask to my brother, how do
you stay connected to culture whilst running your business? How
do you stay connected?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, that's obviously when you're running a business. And like
we like MOB like to say, you know, we walk
in two worlds. It is a hard juggle obviously with
our kids at home and our lingo, especially our bunchel
of language nearly died off, so we're trying to bring
that back obviously, and at home we try use as
(20:04):
much lingo as we can when we're speaking at home.
But it's trying to be connected, you know. Obviously we
have family down here in Brisbane that we try and
catch up with as much as possible. I think it
also it starts a lot with family, those stories, you know,
white kids going oh which uncle is this? Which aunt
is this? Oh yeah that's your grandmother's sister thing, And
it's just knowing this timeline, who's what who We used
(20:26):
to hang out with all that kind of stuff. I
think that's you know, beneficial because then my kids go, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Cuz, yes, straight away they know who their mob is
and they can sit here confidently one day and yearn't
about their connections to their community.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think just in the current climate that we're in
at the moment, and you know, I'm pretty vocal on it.
You probably see on my socials in regards to like,
you know, the black clatting and even what I like
to call them is the cultural fraudsters at the moment.
You know that I found it and respectful people on
their journey if you're on your journey, but I feel
like a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You know, they do it, are taking advantage.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
DNA test or something. They find out there's something heritage there.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And how do they capitalize on it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
In fact, they automatically have now got on Indigenous own business,
but haven't even actually started their journey.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They haven't they don't have the lived experience.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So that's a challenge for us as First Nations business owners,
and it's also a challenge for the government who have
got the IPP mandated these legislations supply nation We've got
all these different players, and I know it's on the
top of their priority list to try and crack down
on black platting. It's a really good yard and I'm
(21:38):
going to make sure that there are some links in
these show notes for people to either listen to other podcasts,
read some books, or to find out more so they
can understand and make the right decision on who they're
doing business with and if it's an Indigenous or First
Nation's business that's genuine or authentic and how do you
(22:01):
know the difference. It's what we started with today. My brother,
who are you? Where's your mob? And where do you
belong as a whether you're Indigenous or non indigenous, and
you are looking to grow your indigenous supply chain or
diversify your spend with more Indigenous businesses, Please reach out
(22:23):
to Jesse, especially just having a yarn, build a relationship,
make these connections. We might not have something for you
right now, but I'm sure there's someone within our community
that would be able to help. So we are about
supporting each other. We are you know, blackfellows are a
collective and the competitivenessness, the competitiveness, I'm trying to say
(22:44):
these big words. Now you find that a lot of
us are not as competitive. We work together, So how
do we support a lot of the non indigenous businesses
now to understand some of the challenges, And this podcast
is an opportunity for people to start thinking has that happened?
And what would I do if I'm in that position?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And the future and like you said, how we start
this whole conversation is very key. I feel like people
who are still reconnecting with their MOB and NAT are
using it as a weapon and going, oh, you're asking
me these questions.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And it's it's not that at all.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's been converted into oh, that's you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Know, lateral violence, whereas.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's actually cultural protocol.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's culture protocol, so we know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Who's related, or we might know family, or you actually
might be cousin. I mean, if it's in a relation.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
This is the way we've been operating exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Our mom w A can say their last name and
do you know uncle, yes, met is, yes, you know
what I mean. That's how that's cultural produce. That's culture
protocol from violence whatsoever. And I find any corporates that
ask those questions to actual genuine mob who have connection
in their community, because the whole idea of us running
businesses is giving back to our community.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Of course, you know, not taking from community.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know what I mean, You're not taking and then
going oh, yeah, no, I'll support this big program over
here that doesn't really need your endorsement, you know what
I mean. Like we try to give to men's groups,
women's shelters and stuff like that where we know it's.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Actually tanger going to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And you'll see that when you go to the events
that we are at and the mob that we're connected with,
and especially in the Brizzy community, if you're unsure as well,
when you're rocking up at a Supply Nation event or that,
you'll see the mob that know more that it would
be the loudest in the room, and it is nice
and loud, but that's just how we are when we're
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around each other, and you know those and hey, like
I said, respectful people's journey, but I feel like a
lot of people in the space at the moment aren't
actually doing the journey, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And they're just doing it for the wrong reasons exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And I think this was an issue over in North America,
especially in Canada, and stuff where they've said, hey, okay,
if you're found out later in life that you have
indigenous ancestry, you need to spend at least you know,
dead in your community, giving back and learning your roots
and all this before you even set up a business
or try and do anything in India, so.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We could learn from other mobs from around the world.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
There are other examples that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We can look at and then think about how are
we going to do things better in this country when
we think about future generations as well.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Exactly. I feel like now the next five years is
very important coming in Australia and Brizzy in particular is
going to be in the spotlight twenty and thirty two,
you know, if the Olympics coming. So it's making sure
that you know, because hey, the next gen is going
to be the ones that suffer even more and then
we're going to have those disconnects and we're seeing stories
on socials and that now people doing the wrong cultural
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protocol things even around our customs with yitti keys and
stuff like this, and female playing it and stuff and
teaching it in schools.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, come on, man, Yeah, we need to just we
have to call it out and I love the way
that you said that in a respectful way. Yeah, deadly
So look, I mean so, I'm like thinking of a
million other things we can yearn about, but I'm sure
we're gonna have another opportunity to talk about, especially the
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NDIS business that you've launched from Natasha tash Haart. Wait
to see you behind this desk on the microphone yarning
about the other businesses. But brother, it's been absolute pleasure
to have you part of the NRMA series.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
So thank you, thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Susy. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, we'll keep going and we'll definitely be yon for
sure daily. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
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people's So you're in for an absolute treat. I've got
a deadly brother on the podcast today who I've actually
had the opportunity to do business with, So this is
going to be a pretty deadly yarn. So my brother Jesse,
it's all over to you. Do you want to share
with our listeners and our viewers on YouTube. Just a
little bit about who you are, where you come from,
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your mob, and then we're going to get straight into
what you do. But you know, as Black Fellows, we
always start with who we are, when we come from
or yours.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, before I start, of course, i'd love to acknowledge
the truss where we gave it today, the Yaga and
Durable people, and pay my respect to elders Worth past
president Emerging. My name's Jesse Green. I'm a prayer. Butchla
Wa Bara Andamarra man so Butchola gari Or upnear Harvey Bay,
Fraser Roland formerly known Wappa Bar up near the Caple
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Couple Islands and Gunjaamara down in southwest Victoria my grandfather's country. Yeah.
So I own a company called You're Late. We're a
one hundred percent Indigenous owned and one hundred percent Indigenous
operated which we're very proud of, apparel promotions and signage
company based right here in Brisy and have been operating
now for just over five years. So yeah, we're taking along.
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It's it's gone pretty good. But yeah, like you said,
we've been doing stuff with Black Card and the crew
there as well for a while now and yeah, really
appreciate the sport dad Lee.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
And you've had an amazing family. You cannot forget about
your beautiful wife, my sister girl Carole, and your kids.
So you're a family man. You've got a lot of
responsibilities with running a business and raising a family.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Yes, we're a busy wife. Yes. Can you share with
us a.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Little bit about that part of the life in business,
the craziness but the fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, so pretty much. My partner is as you said,
caroly Phillips, proud, yeah, and bungelung woman. You know, raised
born in Coughs, raised in Grafton and and come up
to here. And obviously you's got family ties as well,
so that's that's deadly. Yeah, she's she's she's very busy,
you know, by trade. She's qualified oral health, high genius,
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you know, working kids dental. So she's been qualified there,
you know, worked with the Institute for Ages and Deadly
Choices and stuff like that, and went to the private
sector for a bit and you know now she helps
out with Aida Australian Dental Association and the A d C.
Strain Dental. She's over at the university at the moment UQ.
She's there today. Yeah, she she helps out with some
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lettering stuff there and obviously you know she she's still
playing her soccer and stuff as well at an NPL level,
so she's busy there training and you know she she
formerly was the captain of the Indigenous Australian side the
last few years, so you know she's she's been around
the circuit. She's we're both busy and like you said,
we have three gundus. You know, one boys, he's just
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turned eleven.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Corby big shout out, dear Corbyn.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah, and I ya, your sister's got the twins, the
identical twins, Kor and Sage. So they both just turned
seven at the back end of last year. So call
them the little bosses they are?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Are they little women? Big women? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love to have a yarn and
they'll let you know too. So yeah, no, it's very busy. Obviously,
you lays one of my businesses which will touch on today. Yeah,
but obviously I have always I've got three kids and
I have three businesses as well, so one for each child.
We also have gunder range and support services with my
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sister in law Natasha.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Yes, big shout out to you my sister.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Yeah Natasha and obviously Gambar workforce recruitment with my older
sister Yasmin.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
So Yeah, this is this is crazy in terms of
operating like I've got black card and we do know
a bit of try a consulting, tourism, podcasting, that kind of.
Most of the time it comes under one umbrella. You've
got a business partner here, a business partner there, then
you've got your own business.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Then you across these other three.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
How how did you get into business? Like what was
it for you that led you down this pathway of
being a business owner and an entrepreneur?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, so would have started back in my AFL days.
I used to run all the indigenous programs for AFL
Queensland across Queensland and northern New South Wales. They taught
me a lot. There was fantastic picking up the skills,
you know, just from everything from email writing to phone
calls and having the confidence to speak to absolutely random
people about stuff, which is fantastic. Picked up the skills there.
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Prior to this, I've also worked for the Cape York
Leaders program in Cape Your Partnership so ig'ned an old
Pearson looking after kids from the Cape coming down to
boarding schools. So that was in Brisbane and Rocky So
I had about eighty kids at the time that I
look after. Pretty pretty intense for them young follows, you know,
moving from community and coming down here for the first time.
A lot of them never have left community before, so
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they come down to a boarding school one of the
biggest in Queensland for instance, you know, a lot of
them are the big ones. Yeah, that was a good
learning curve, dealing with families, trying to be that you know,
the medium between the school which is very old school, yes,
very colonial.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's like the broker like interpreter and trying to navigate
these two very different worlds exactly for these young kids
that have probably never left their communities and remote communities
in their life, never been on a plane, yeah, exactly,
and then they've got to navigate these you know, education
higher education kind of their private school system is very
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different to just go on to Kelvin Grove College.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You're going to your own high.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
And for a lot of people that probably don't understand
the reason these kids come down to these boarding schools
is because they actually don't have any high schools in
their community. You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (07:05):
This is the only oppny, this is it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah. So you know, so a.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Lot of them there's no other option. If they want
to continue education, they have to leave their community exactly.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Yeah. Yeah, And of course a lot of them might
have family and cans and that they take that opportunity
in Kennes or Townsville still close to home, and the
program still had kids on boarding schools in those areas
as well. But you know, so that that was a
great learning curve for me. From there, I then launched
my own personal training. So we used to train yourselves
and you know, the family used to come along, and
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a lot of the crew from Murray Country, yeah you
know over there. Triple A now used to come along,
and Clint used to come as well. Yeah yeah, so
I remember all he is coming along and we used
to run boot camps and all that for the mob.
That was my first kind of taste at running my
own business, yeah, you know, and training out of a
gym and getting used to invoicing and marketing and all
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that kind of stuff, which was fantastic. I then transitioned.
I was a business developer at another one of my
competitors now in the indigenous baerrel space. You know, it
was great there. I had to go to them to
kind of learn the knowledge. I always had that background,
you know, I did a bit of modeling and I
was always in the fashion side of things and all
that kind of stuff. So it was great to pick
up how things are made, what kind of stitch account
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and fabric so in depth what I do with my products.
And I feel like that that's why a lot of
our clients like our products is because it's not just
off the shelf kind of one and get the best
price and all that. We like to offer quality, you
know what I mean. So we go through our garments,
you'll come through. We've got swatched, we got the whole
lot ready to go, you know, we'll make samples and stuff.
So I think being in that space and that's where
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I learned up a lot of the tools from those
crew to then go out and went hey, the reason
and to come back to your question, the reason I
kind of went into the space was and like a
lot of our your family, my family, my MSUs family,
a lot of our families don't have any generational wealth whatsoever.
You know, both my parents are battler's you know, come
from some community town Harvey Bay, moved down to Brisbane
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to give their kids a better opportunity, you know, gave
us that platform, me and my sisters, my brothers. You know,
we've then taken that platform together to the next level
and then my ideas, you know, to set up these
businesses now where then my children have full rain when
they want to come in, they don't have to do
the exact same work. Powerl might not interest them at all,
but at least they've got a platform to kind of
jump off and launch whatever they need to.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
But they've also been immersed.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Definitely, And I guess they also see all the hard work,
that's exactly it. They see the tears, they see the and.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
The long nights and when you're not home away mum's away.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, you know because me more Curly is obviously very
committed to her stuff as well. And she just finished
managing I should have mentioned, you know, the Brisbane Raw
women's side, so you know she's managing it months or so. Yeah,
well what's it called football operation?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Yeah yeah, yeah, But she's right in there.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
It's like battling with the team, making sure the flights
and uniforms already massive. So she did that for the
last six or seven months. So that was a bit crazy.
He juggling at all, and obviously you know that's time
for her away from the kids. But they see that effort,
you know what I mean. And that's where I think
that's what's helped me over the years. Is I always
say I'm a bit more of an old school hustler,
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just get what needs to be done.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
The worst I've always said, and I say to my team,
you know who might be a bit shame, you know,
trying to teach him those things is you know, no
matter you're cold calling, whatever it is, worse the client
can say is no or they just don't.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Get back to you exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Just keep moving, you know what I mean. Don't dwell
on it, don't relax like learn from it. Okay, sweet,
they give you some advice back or whatever, take it
on board, but you know you've got to keep it.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I'm gonna say, it's either running a business.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
Risk, right, how do you manage risk?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Especially growing the business and now having multiple businesses?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, that's a hard one.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. And then a lot of these big organizations and
we procure us and we procure or we go in
for tenders, they ask you all these risk questions and
about your cybersecurity, where's the information stalled?
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Do you get all of that stuff when you come
for big business.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Definitely yes, because we were supplying a product. So sometimes
I find we're even depending on who it is we
fall under, you know, we get asked all these other questions.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
With stuff slavery, the Modern Slavery Act, and.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, we tick all those because obviously we've done the
big ordering process and obviously we supply some Tier one
so naturally, you know, we have to make sure that
we get ordered it every three months, sure that you know,
everything's on board.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
And even now the ethical ethical practicing or buying.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Yeah, yeah, so we have both. We offer a strain
made right here in Southeast Queensland as well, so obviously
they get ordered and then our offshore to also supply
the appropriate paperwork, you know, unfortunate enough to off sure
do a lot of big international brands, so they get
to buy them as well, you know what I mean,
because they've got a reputation to of course. So yeah,
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and that's just part and parcel of the business. Yeah,
obviously it's stressful. It's very stressful I think for you know,
young follows and that coming through trying to manage those
things and having the right people to waterboard ideas off.
Especially in the early days first year or two, you're
going to come alf, especially if you're just setting up
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a business the first twelve months. Like they always say,
it's all cliche, is you know, if you get through
the first twelve months, you know you're pretty good. But yeah,
I think the ones that survive aren't scared to ask
the questions or go to people for help, you know.
I feel like the ones that fall over try and
do it all themselves or think they can figure out
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the solutions when sometimes you're spending too much time on
trying to figure it out when you can literally ask
someone who's probably already outsource.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, it's not outsourcing, But there are people around us
as first Nations peoples and business owners that want us
to succeed.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
There are people out there that want to do some
volunteering or want to do offer pro bono services to
help with marketing or comms or branding or even how
to use like LinkedIn for instance, to our advantage. What
would you in terms of advice to the younger generation,
the next generation of change makers. What advice would you
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give to them about being in business, setting up a business,
work life ballots.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, exactly. I guess just taking the leap, you know,
and again all the old cliches at the moment, but
you know, I would have been kicking myself. And I
said it at the time when I went out on
my own, I said, I think in a year, I thought,
you know, a year or two ahead, do I want
to continue where I am? And will I be happy
here in a couple of years. My girls weren't born
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yet at the time, you know that they that were
just coming along. So I said, hey, I want to
try and set something up here. And the only way
I'm going to do it, you know, I'm putting in
the work. I'm putting in the hour is already to
develop the business when it was first set up with
a business partner. But I was like, no, I want
to go out on my own.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
What kind of hours we talking about? So these young
fellas understand what we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think a lot of people
have that, you know, that dream of grandeur where they think,
oh yeah, no, I'll pick my own.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I'm going to launch their clothing brand.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I'm just going to do you know, I might just
have a morning tea and then I'll start at midday.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And from yeah, yeah, no bosses, no one looking at
over your shoulder.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
That first twelve months, I guess when I went out
on my own. It was January twenty twenty as well,
so you know COVID. So COVID hit two months later. Wow,
So that was a bit crazy. I thought, yeah, let's go.
I think I'm good, you know, let's let's set it up.
And luckily Ki's mid more level headed. I got excited.
I get excited or used to get excited and go, yeah,
let's get an office and get all this. And if
I had done that, I would have fell over. Yeah,
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of course I'd signed our twelve months lease to an
office somewhere and stuff like that. You know, settles me
down a little bit when I get excited.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
You need that, don't you, someone else to just be
there to kind of keep your grounded.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Just stop and wait. Yeah, you're like me, We just
go straight in, don't it.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Let's go what do we need at first? Furniture? You
know what I mean. So that's good. You know, can
we operate from home for six months or so? Yeah,
oh yeah, we can, there's no issues. Yeah, I mean,
and for the first couple of years, that's where we operated,
you know, for the last first two three years. Actually yeah,
you know, we haven't one hundred boxes come, yeah, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Constantly taking up the living room, it's.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Room, the loud boxes, watching TV. Yeah like this, you
know what I mean. Yeah, watching it's been there so
they see all that, you know what I mean, which
is fantastic. But to come back to my point, you know,
she she settled me down, which is fantastic, and that
kind of relaxed me and learning those early days, you know,
in the twenty twenty that was really hard because a
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lot of people weren't buying apparel. Major thing was Vircial
apparel promotion signage.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
So when we talk about apparel, the Murray School uniforms,
Medical Center uniforms, Murray Carnival, Curry, Knockout.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Wod Stuff, Hive Vis.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Everything, the whole lot, the whole lot.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
And the beauty of our team is we know we've
got three sales routes, but we have two in house.
Indigenous Graphics artists. Okay that can design you full you know,
you can do a full custom artwork for you if
you want all the way through to you know, we
do aal the mock ups. We manufacture it. If you're
in Southeast Queensland, we'll deliver it to your door.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
How good is that?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
So for people that are listening to this yarn right
across the country or even around the world, how would
they normally engage with you? Is it just get on
an enter and get on the website? How do you
kind of what's your first point of contact normally through
the website.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Inquiry's We've got the inquiry page obviously on the website.
Yea ideally our main go to. But obviously we're very
active on the socials. A lot of people see a
lot of our stuff there on my LinkedIn, on you
Lay two point zero, on Instagram and on Facebook as well.
Obviously we post up all the stuff we're doing and
the different community groups or schools or sporting groups that
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we're working with. And you know, as a lot of
your viewers and listeners will be aware when you support
indigenous business, we're very proactive and then supporting the rest
of our.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Community and the artists. The artist that you're wearing a
design today. Yes, who's the artist behind that design?
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Wonder Goury. So Amanda's from are in a country so
central Australias, he's out there right now. And Alice, so
that's her homeland. Amanda's Women of Us since the start,
so it's been fantastic work with wunder and now we're
actually the last two years we've had both her daughters
do a NDoc design. So last year was her oldest daughter.
This year is they've won below her the generations.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
This is generation of wealth.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
We want to keep that support going for them. Yes,
we're also we're hoping they get their gallery over the line.
Her and sisters are trying to launch gallery there at home,
so we're trying to get out behind them and support
them as much as possible as well. Yeah, we promote
our artists and try and get them in front of
a lot of corporates and stuff as well for commissions
or whatever kind of work they need. Artists that are
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partner with us, we try and share as much of
those as possible and get their names out there as well.
Because obviously, when you support indigenous business, we support the
rest of our community a big thing with me and
lay was trying to bring the community along with me.
So that's even like our photographers, our models are all Indigenous.
Lewis now who's always been with us with our photography
as well. You know, he's the last twelve months now
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he's been full time for his photography, you know what
I mean. I like to feel like we've been helped
him to get to that level. And a lot of
other Indigenous businesses have jumped on and used him as well,
which is fantastic. But shout out to him. You know,
he's a tradesman, you know, by trade he uses working
for some big corporates in that space, but now he's
gone out on his own with his passion of photography
(19:00):
and you know he's just I know, I just saw
him put it on LinkedIn. He's got his first twelve
months out by himself, which is fantastic and will continue
to support the brother boy. You know he's from up
there from Zenacas, Yeah, from Thursday Island, and I know
he goes up there a lot and he does a
lot with his obviously his local mob now as well.
You know he's flying up there doing stuff well, you know,
to a straight regional council and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Is it just deadly to see other mob succeed and
you know you've played even a small part in their
successor in their journey. In wrapping up this deadly out,
I want to keep you outing with you all day.
I just want to ask to my brother, how do
you stay connected to culture whilst running your business? How
do you stay connected?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, that's obviously when you're running a business. And like
we like MOB like to say, you know, we walk
in two worlds. It is a hard juggle obviously with
our kids at home and our lingo, especially our bunchel
of language nearly died off, so we're trying to bring
that back obviously, and at home we try use as
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much lingo as we can when we're speaking at home.
But it's trying to be connected, you know. Obviously we
have family down here in Brisbane that we try and
catch up with as much as possible. I think it
also it starts a lot with family, those stories, you know,
white kids going oh which uncle is this? Which aunt
is this? Oh yeah that's your grandmother's sister thing, And
it's just knowing this timeline, who's what who We used
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to hang out with all that kind of stuff. I
think that's you know, beneficial because then my kids go, oh, that's.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Cuz, yes, straight away they know who their mob is
and they can sit here confidently one day and yearn't
about their connections to their community.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
I think just in the current climate that we're in
at the moment, and you know, I'm pretty vocal on it.
You probably see on my socials in regards to like,
you know, the black clatting and even what I like
to call them is the cultural fraudsters at the moment.
You know that I found it and respectful people on
their journey if you're on your journey, but I feel
like a lot of people.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You know, they do it, are taking advantage.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
DNA test or something. They find out there's something heritage there.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
And how do they capitalize on it.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
In fact, they automatically have now got on Indigenous own business,
but haven't even actually started their journey.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
They haven't they don't have the lived experience.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
So that's a challenge for us as First Nations business owners,
and it's also a challenge for the government who have
got the IPP mandated these legislations supply nation We've got
all these different players, and I know it's on the
top of their priority list to try and crack down
on black platting. It's a really good yard and I'm
(21:38):
going to make sure that there are some links in
these show notes for people to either listen to other podcasts,
read some books, or to find out more so they
can understand and make the right decision on who they're
doing business with and if it's an Indigenous or First
Nation's business that's genuine or authentic and how do you
(22:01):
know the difference. It's what we started with today. My brother,
who are you? Where's your mob? And where do you
belong as a whether you're Indigenous or non indigenous, and
you are looking to grow your indigenous supply chain or
diversify your spend with more Indigenous businesses, Please reach out
(22:23):
to Jesse, especially just having a yarn, build a relationship,
make these connections. We might not have something for you
right now, but I'm sure there's someone within our community
that would be able to help. So we are about
supporting each other. We are you know, blackfellows are a
collective and the competitivenessness, the competitiveness, I'm trying to say
(22:44):
these big words. Now you find that a lot of
us are not as competitive. We work together, So how
do we support a lot of the non indigenous businesses
now to understand some of the challenges, And this podcast
is an opportunity for people to start thinking has that happened?
And what would I do if I'm in that position?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
And the future and like you said, how we start
this whole conversation is very key. I feel like people
who are still reconnecting with their MOB and NAT are
using it as a weapon and going, oh, you're asking
me these questions.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
And it's it's not that at all.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
It's been converted into oh, that's you.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Know, lateral violence, whereas.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
It's actually cultural protocol.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
It's culture protocol, so we know.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Who's related, or we might know family, or you actually
might be cousin. I mean, if it's in a relation.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
This is the way we've been operating exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Our mom w A can say their last name and
do you know uncle, yes, met is, yes, you know
what I mean. That's how that's cultural produce. That's culture
protocol from violence whatsoever. And I find any corporates that
ask those questions to actual genuine mob who have connection
in their community, because the whole idea of us running
businesses is giving back to our community.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Of course, you know, not taking from community.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
You know what I mean, You're not taking and then
going oh, yeah, no, I'll support this big program over
here that doesn't really need your endorsement, you know what
I mean. Like we try to give to men's groups,
women's shelters and stuff like that where we know it's.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Actually tanger going to make a difference.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And you'll see that when you go to the events
that we are at and the mob that we're connected with,
and especially in the Brizzy community, if you're unsure as well,
when you're rocking up at a Supply Nation event or that,
you'll see the mob that know more that it would
be the loudest in the room, and it is nice
and loud, but that's just how we are when we're
(24:38):
around each other, and you know those and hey, like
I said, respectful people's journey, but I feel like a
lot of people in the space at the moment aren't
actually doing the journey, yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
And they're just doing it for the wrong reasons exactly.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
And I think this was an issue over in North America,
especially in Canada, and stuff where they've said, hey, okay,
if you're found out later in life that you have
indigenous ancestry, you need to spend at least you know,
dead in your community, giving back and learning your roots
and all this before you even set up a business
or try and do anything in India, so.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
We could learn from other mobs from around the world.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
There are other examples that.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
We can look at and then think about how are
we going to do things better in this country when
we think about future generations as well.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Exactly. I feel like now the next five years is
very important coming in Australia and Brizzy in particular is
going to be in the spotlight twenty and thirty two,
you know, if the Olympics coming. So it's making sure
that you know, because hey, the next gen is going
to be the ones that suffer even more and then
we're going to have those disconnects and we're seeing stories
on socials and that now people doing the wrong cultural
(25:44):
protocol things even around our customs with yitti keys and
stuff like this, and female playing it and stuff and
teaching it in schools.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, come on, man, Yeah, we need to just we
have to call it out and I love the way
that you said that in a respectful way. Yeah, deadly
So look, I mean so, I'm like thinking of a
million other things we can yearn about, but I'm sure
we're gonna have another opportunity to talk about, especially the
(26:13):
NDIS business that you've launched from Natasha tash Haart. Wait
to see you behind this desk on the microphone yarning
about the other businesses. But brother, it's been absolute pleasure
to have you part of the NRMA series.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
So thank you, thank you, thanks for having me.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Susy. Keep up the good work.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, we'll keep going and we'll definitely be yon for
sure daily. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
If you'd like any more on today's guest, please visit
our show notes in the episode description. A big shout
out to all you Deadly Mob and allies who continue
to listen, watch, and support our podcast.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Your feedback means the world.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
You can rate and review the podcast on Apple and Spotify,
or even head to our socials and YouTube channel and
drop us a line.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
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