January 21, 2025 • 31 mins
This episode is proudly brought to you by ANZ. A new series of conversations with different mob around the country to yarn about, meaningful career opportunities within ANZ, building the capacity of Indigenous businesses and organisations, and helping individuals in the broader community to achieve financial wellbeing and resilience.
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In this latest episode, we continue our ANZ Partnership Series with an inspiring yarn featuring Donald Betts. A proud descendant of the Choctaw Nation and a trailblazer in his own right, Donald shares his incredible journey from becoming the youngest senator in the history of Kansas, to now a dynamic leader in Australia’s First Nations business space.
Donald talks about his role (at the time of recording) as Acting CEO of Kinaway Chamber of Commerce and their groundbreaking initiatives to empower Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander businesses. From global trade alliances to hosting the World Indigenous Business Forum in 2025, Kinaway is making waves in Indigenous enterprise.
This episode dives deep into the importance of partnerships like the one between ANZ & Kinaway, which is fostering opportunities for Indigenous businesses through financial literacy, tailored services, and global support. It’s an empowering yarn about resilience, community, and the limitless potential of First Nations entrepreneurship.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black Cast unite our voices.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Black Magical and Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the
land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge
traditional owners of the land where you, the listener OFVIER
are tuning in from. We would like to pay our
respects to our elders past and present and acknowledge that
this always was Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is a dynamic time to be an Aboriginal business owner.
I mean dynamic in the construction space, renewable indy space.
I just get excited talking about it, really, and I
think the banks particularly and Z understands.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
That this episode is proudly brought to you by A
and Z, a new series of conversations with different mob
around the country to yan about meaningful career opportunities within
A and Z, building the capacity of Indigenous businesses and
organizations and helping individuals in the broader community to achieve
financial wellbeing.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And rezil is.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Baale.
Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic of
My podcast. I am here on the beautiful lands of
the Camaragle people of the Orination just over the bridge
(01:30):
is my mother's country, and I grew up on Gadigle Country,
which is Redfern the CBD. So I want to get
into this episode, but I'm feeling really excited because one
I'm back on my mother's country and I live in Queensland,
and I believe that you're joining me from Victoria.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is that true? Yes, she could be anywhere in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm in nom in Victoria. I'm on Land, but through
a rundery well, wrong country in order to get here.
So yeah, I'm honored to be able to be in
this space and serve the great Aboriginal torture. Any businesses
of Victoria, is there I can ceo too deadly?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So Donald, we actually asked guests on this podcast to
introduce themselves in Aboriginal terms of reference. So if you
don't mind, can you share with my listeners and also
our viewers on YouTube your name, tell us a little
bit about where you're from and even where you grew up.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, my name is Donald Betts. I'm a
descendant of slaves. I'm a freeman, a chalk Taw freeman
from Chalctaw Nation. I'm a I'm a proud son and
father and husband, and I grew up and I was
(02:59):
born in Wichita, Kansas, the midwest of the United States.
My moved to Las Vegas when I was ten. Raised
up in Las Vegas. So I know my street game
is real, is real? Uh legit. I grew up in
the uh, in the projects of Las Vegas by a
single parent. Uh. My mother was a single parent. Uh.
(03:20):
So we had to we had to endure the the
life of gangs and and drugs and prostitution and you know,
and and all of those things that surround communities that
are destitute and you know, lacking an example, and and
and all those things. But it was a It was
(03:42):
a village. There was a village that that raised me
up and some some some powerful Black men and women,
White men and women, Indian men and women. A community
that gave me a bit of hope. And I decided
at that time, at that age, that I refused to
be another statistic. So after graduating from high school, I
(04:02):
moved back to Kansas, attended a secular university, the Christian
university called Fringe University. Became the first African American student
body president there. Uh and then I applied for law
school was not accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And then I decided I'll take my political science degree
and run for political office to become uh the youngest
senator eventually the youngest senator in the history of the
United States at the time when elected, and definitely the
youngest senator went elected from the great state of Kansas.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So uh, that's my US journey. And then you know,
to get to Australia, I was nominated with the American
Council Young Political Leaders to learn about the federal and
state parliament system. While on that trip, I met one
of the most gorgeous women of my life. Uh. And
then down the line, after she'd not given me the
time of day, I eventually you know, won her heart
(04:58):
in friendship and then that led to a relationship and
we have two beautiful children. We live in Victoria, and
I'm a lawyer and she's a businesswoman. And in a nutshell,
that's that's a little bit about me.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, like, massive congratulations on all of your achievements. You
still look quite young, so interesting with a career in
political science or in you know politics. You know, I
would think that would like age people. Well, they say,
(05:38):
black don't crack, right, you know, so he's still he's
still doing your thing. You went into law because you
said you didn't get into law at first. What made
you go back to law.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, it's always been a dream since I was ten
years old. You look at my Wikipedia. I laid out
there many many years back. But that has always been
my goal. You know, Politics was the second. It was
the fall back. Everyone said you always need a backup plan.
Well big to get involved in politics was my backup plan.
(06:10):
So I looked after my father in law and took
took care of him until he passed. And then I
knew that was the right time for me to jump
into law here in Australia. I am the first African
American to earn a Jewish doctorate in this country. And
and I do a lot of work for my first
nations people. Most of the work that I do is
(06:32):
pro bono work, even if they can afford me. And
and and we just we just go go along with it.
I cut my teeth at Norton rose Fulbright Global number
four firm before working with their joint venture jerem A Legal,
Australia's first national majority Indigenous own law firm UH. And
then UH two years ago, I started my own practice,
(06:53):
Bett's Law Company based out of Melbourne on Collin Street
four seventy Collins Street level of two Sweet five.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, now now we know where you are and all
of them mob listening. You know what that means. That
was an open invitation that brother, Although I end up
calling your uncle out where, brother, I know when people
call me aunt after remind them like, hey, siss is five.
You know, in my community, my family, I do a
(07:24):
lot to try and support as many people as possible.
So when you talked about pro bono and just giving
back and supporting people, it resonated with me a lot,
and it just made me think about like the work
that you're doing now at kin Away. I was able
had the privilege to come to Kinnaway and a in
(07:44):
Z's Indigenous market Place to celebrate NATEOC Week. So I
came and set up the podcast there for the listeners.
If you haven't had to listen to the a and
Z Kinawai Indigenous Marketplace episode. I was able to yearn
with some really deadly black business owners and entrepreneurs and
(08:07):
they're all members of Kinawe. So I'm really keen for
you to share with my listeners who have never heard
about Kinawe, what does the organization do and how did
you end up, you know, going to Kinawa because a
lot of the time we would never have people like
you in our organizations.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And this is amazing for a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Of people to see that you can work in Aboriginal
businesses and spaces. We need people with skills, experiences, and
qualifications and passion and dedication to come into our organizations.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So it was really good.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
When I saw you come up with the screen, I
was like, okay, and then I heard you talk and
I was like, okay, So I'm really keen for you
to share the amazing work. I've only had a little
bit to do with kin Awe because my business is
registered in Queensland, So yeah, tell us about So.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The African American community is not too different than from
the Aboriginal tour Straet Islander community. We deal with a
lot of the same issues, a lot of the same
health disparities, the prison population. When I was a senator,
I had the displeasure of meeting three generations of black
men in prison, grandfather, father, and son. And it was
(09:31):
dante and it was shocking, and it would it shook
me to the core. I also lost a brother to
the system. My brother was in and out of the
system his whole life and eventually died on his knees
with bullet bullets rhythm through his body. And you know, so,
when I started studying Indigenous affairs and Indigenous people in
(09:51):
the Law, I took a real uh connection to First
Nations people and I felt at home when engaging with
First Nations people in Australia. I didn't feel isolated. I
didn't feel like I was the only one. I felt
like I was a part of that family. And I
still do to the core of my soul. And that's
why I am. Part of my learnings and my development
(10:15):
under the guidance of Bevin Meltman, Deborah Beltman's brother, and
the Law taught me Indigenous Black fellow ways. He taught
me how to engage and understand how black people in
Australia do business. And it opened me up to even
more affection an affiliation to First Nations people. And along
(10:37):
the way I met quite a few And this role
at Kennaway just so happened to be that because of
relationships that I had built with the r MIT, Global
Trade routes program. A gentleman by the name of David
parkin Aboriginal Brother reached out to me and said, hey,
you know, previously I was at the Runde Corporation leading
(10:59):
their organization, the row Wrong Cultural Aria to the Aboriginal Corporation.
After I finished my secondment there, they reached out and said, hey,
we need a deputy CEO. Would you consider coming on board?
And so I met the board of directors and they,
you know, we we initially did a six month stint
that stick six months of comment through my law practice,
(11:21):
and I came on and then the CEO resigned and
they asked me to stay on another six months and
then a further six months. But since we've been there
ken away, I've learned that knaway means in Gunna i
kernei language exchange. So I thought, you know, what about
you know, and when I sat with the board and
we started talking about our strategy, I said, let's open
(11:42):
this up. You know, these businesses should be going global.
They are just as formidable as any other business in
this nation or or any other nation around the world.
Why are we not looking at a global alliance? So
I said, you know, it's time to build that army.
I reached out to quite to all of the chambers
of commerce, the the ethnic chambers of commerce, Street Line,
(12:03):
an Italian, the Finished, the French, the Americans, everyone to say, hey,
we are open for business. Come check us out. Let's
see what's going on. We're going global. So last year
I thought, you know, I want to be really ambitious.
I'm gonna I want to take the I want to
take businesses overseas. So we decided we'll take the largest
(12:24):
First Nations trade delegation in the history of Australia to
my state of Kansas. And to show that, you know,
doing business in the state of Kansas is a lot
easier than doing business in La or New York. You
go to places where people are interested in you and
about you and not about your race and who you
you know, the people you came from. So as a result,
(12:46):
we had a a resolution drawn up in the in
the Senate a unanimous vote to recognize Kenewey Chamber of
Commerce as the Trading UH one of the trading bodies
for Australia and Kansas. That resolution is now in our
office today UH. And now you know we're getting attention
from dfat n i a a ib A, Victorian government,
(13:10):
the federal government. And as a result, I just recently
signed the you know initially, you know, normally with some
of these signatures you have to get bored representation. But
the window was so it was it was a short
opportunity for me to be able to solidify this for
the chamber. But I've signed documents to to sign Kennaway
(13:33):
up as the official host for the World Indigenous Business
Forum next year October twenty twenty five. So you need
to You're gonna have to be there to be interviewing,
interviewing these world Indigenous businesses. So Kennaway it is the
peak body organization in Victoria to certify Aboriginal and tourist
(13:54):
rate all inder businesses. We have almost four hundred daily
business black businesses that are doing some amazing things, kicking
some gold. We were able to secure over six hundred
million dollars last year in procurement dollars. We have about
two hundred and fifty Tier one corporate partners saying about
(14:14):
ten Global Alliance Friends of kin Away. We're bringing on
our registered Aboriginal parties, We're bringing on our non for
profit organizations. It truly is kin Away as big as
you think?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
My brother, I want to move to Victoria and I
have never said that before.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I so, how do people live in this place? Is
too compliment.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But the excitement that's happening, that's coming out of you know,
the last eighteen months of your involvement with Kinaway is
like mind blowing for me as a black businesswoman. Yes,
knowing that this is happening. It's happening. We are going
global and that's one of my biggest dreams is for
(15:04):
our people to do business outside of this country because
we're so limited and so narrow minded in Australia. And
then for blackfellows, it's hard to kind of just we're
kicking down doors every day and I'm sick of kicking
down doors.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We want an.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Invitation, you know, open the door, invite us in. So
what you're doing is something that I've always dreamt of doing,
is going overseas and doing business and being invited. You know,
being invited is having that invitation then trying to you know,
(15:43):
knock on the door and get people to give you
some of their time. So you know, Kinaway obviously has
a partnership with A and Z. You mentioned you've got
ten corporate partners. Tell me about this partnership.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
With A and Z.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah. So Azen is one of our two hundred and
fifty Tier Work corporate partners. And just as a disclaimer,
I am stepping down from the Kennewey Chamber of Commerce
at the end of December. We've just hired our new CEO.
He's just says dynamic, and I'll be supporting him through
his at least his first year. But Shelley over it
(16:18):
at Anz is absolutely remarkable. I love Shelley. She is
the type of person you know a lot of folks
you meet it's about looking at the watch. They're always
looking at the watch. They're trying to figure out how they,
you know, get to the next meeting. But Shelley, she
engages with you like you're the only person in the room.
No one can interrupt or discon make that disconnection. Shelley
(16:43):
at ann Z is the CEO's top pick. She should
receive the Employee of the Year this year. Ann said
has committed to do more with First Nations businesses, and
I believe them. They've just recently rolled out this dynamic
app for their for their for their customers, but also
they're really sitting at the table to say what can
(17:05):
we do? What can we do besides yellow gooods? How
can we help you with your cash flow? How can
we help you understand financial literacy a little bit better?
So everything is on the table, And this partnership came
as a result of other folks not really wanting to
(17:26):
truly engage, and an Zed said, you know what, We'll
come see you. They sent their upper cross to come
see us and sit in our boardroom and it's been
smooth sailing since. So in a nutshell, a Zed, I
tipped my hat off to you. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I've got to back you there. Not only because this
is an A and Z partnership series. I've been doing
business with A and Z for about seven years and
we've been rolling out cultural capability training right across their
business and then just supporting in different areas. So Shelley
and I've been working together on their First Nations engagement strategy.
(18:08):
So I've been doing some consulting and I can see
what's happening, and I know the impact that having a
First Nations woman or a First Sessions person in this
role for the very first time to lead up, you know,
like indigenous affairs. So there's some exciting things happening at
A and Z, but so exciting for our business as
(18:29):
our mob your members, do they get access to A
and Z or is there opportunities for your members that
are four hundred black businesses across the state of Victoria
to engage with A Z, Like how to A and
Z support the members not just the organization.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I think in terms of and Z, they're getting their
strategy together and they want it tight. We've just entered
into our partnership with them. They're in constant discussions about
how do we do it? So anytime we need some help,
I'm like, you know, A towsand can you have this business?
Can you we need you know, we need to set
up an account, you know first, can we get some
financial literacy? Can you you know, throw us a little
(19:10):
package together? And they're relentless. They make it move, they
make it happen. So if you don't have a bank,
somebody that's going to walk step by step with you
to help you understand those financial questions that sometimes you're
too embarrassed to ask about. Hey, don't feel embarrassed. We're
not all accountants. You know, that's what they get paid
for to advise us, so utilize and that bank.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So that's the indigenous small business banking services that there's
a program there, so google it or jump into our
show notes so that you can read more. You know,
brother Donald, there are many banks in this country. You
know that there's some big banks and small banks, but
not all of them have indigenous business bankers. So when
I saw Townsend on a call and they said, hey,
(19:55):
this is your new banker, I was like, okay, said brother,
you're like the real deal. You're not just supporting the
business bankers. I had never seen a black feller in
that role before. It's so empowering, right, but really importantly
just for our mob to be able to talk to
somebody like us, and I don't think people really understand
(20:17):
how important it is. We feel much more comfortable, you know,
there's no shame there. I was going through a bit
of a tough time Donald, earlier this year with cash
flow December January for me as a business, you know,
doing training where everything kind of you know, shuts down
and everyone's going on Christmas holidays. There's always this kind
(20:40):
of struggle. January February. Then we're back on our feets
and then we're you know, kicking goals. I just need
to put things in place, Like I've got two mortgages.
I just need to make sure that I've got eleven staff.
There's eleven salaries.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
This business.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This business is really important in terms of the impact
that we have in this country by developing, you know,
cultural capability and helping more Australians understand who we are
as First Nations peoples and also understand the history of
this country. So we were able to get through without
(21:17):
getting an overdraft.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I love it or alone, I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We got through. There's some other deadly black fellows at
A and Z. Have you been able to go and
connect with any of the other mob at A and
Z yet?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Donald, Yeah, I had. I wouldn't had dinner with the
CEO and all the directors and to represent Kennaway. Yeah,
I was the only black man in the room. But
you know, I'm a big presence. I'm six foot four
and I don't mind talking about the issues that our
businesses are going through. Cash flow was one of them,
(21:52):
and the fact that we need to do more and
don't I don't hold back maybe it's because of my
political background or my in terms of you know, serving
as a corporate lawyer. By the way, reach out check
out my website www dot bettslogco dot com. Uh. But yes,
I sat with these gentlemen and these ladies had Google
(22:14):
on one on one side, I had Deloyd on the other.
And it's just about, you know, having that presence, not
being afraid to talk about Aboriginal business, not being afraid
to let them know that Aboriginal businesses are just as
formidable as any other business. It's just that you gotta
give them a chance. You've got to give them a
seat at the table, let them sit down, and then
(22:37):
you will be astonished at what goes on. We can
do anything from Kyrol Jenics to chocoer Chips. You know,
it's like you know what I mean, show us, show us,
show us the table. We'll sit at it and then
you'll be You'll be You'll be happy. You did you know?
We have the first paint company, Jigga Jigga Paints. We
have a dynamic flooring company, dream Time Flooring, and a
(22:58):
Predummer Range, dream Time Range, Beautiful Pajummer Range, beautiful silks.
I mean you can do so much with logging on
the Kinawey dot com dot au or I mean Kinawey
dot yeah, Knaway dot com dot au. Check out the website,
reach out to our other deadly black businesses in the
(23:19):
North Northern Territory, in Western Australia and Queensland. You will
be astonished at what we can do. So when it
comes to anzed, they recognize that now they see the
bigger global picture and the fact that Aboriginal torchtrae doll
in their business owners are not singing tight in the
(23:39):
country and they're going over to China and Italy and
the United States and Canada to do business. I believe
these banks are looking at saying, ooh, we better get
some of this. This is this is a dynamic time
to be an Aboriginal business owner. I mean dynamic in
the construction space, renewal, energy space. I just get excited
(24:00):
talking about it, really, I think, and I think the
banks particularly understands that and.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
This is what we need.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
We need to be able to get people to see
the value that Aboriginal businesses bring to the table. Yes,
you know they say that for every one dollar you
spend with an Aboriginal business, the social impact equals four
dollars forty one and that you know, that helps me
support many people in my community that say, you know,
(24:32):
how did you get into business? Can you have a
look at my logo? Or can your producer produce my podcast?
Because I don't have any money. We do so much
for our communities. We are we are constantly giving back
to our community and we need to make sure that
we can. You know that it's sustainable as well. So
when people become members of Kinawei, do they.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Pay a fee? Like just so for Victorian businesses.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
If you're listening to this podcast or you're watching it
on YouTube, how does an Aboriginal business or a touch
on the business join up?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, so we have four different categories. The top category
is the Daily Black membership. These are for businesses that
are already procuring five million, twenty million, one hundred million
dollar contracts. They come on board five thousand dollars for
Daily Black and with that five thousand dollars says each one,
reach one, teach one, We take that back and we
give it to members that can't afford it. Right, so
(25:28):
we'll if if there's a member that comes to us,
no one is turned away. I just want to put
that out there and be clear that no one has
turned away because we have these daily black members and
saying don't turn anybody away. You know, we're gonna support
that membership for that young Aboriginal businesses, for that new startup.
The entry fee is one hundred and fifty dollars. That's
the that's the the gold the gold Dust Member, the
(25:52):
gold Dust Member, and that's the entry level where you
get certification, you get a little help here and there,
you might get a podcast. And I don't know all
of the levels. You gotta talk kylgar under woman Georgina Parissi.
If you want to know the details about the memberships,
then there's this special category the Sapphire Till Member, the
Sapphire Teal member, and all of these names were created
(26:16):
by the Bevin Melman, the director of Jigga Jiga Pant.
So these these are actually paint colors you can get.
So Sapphire Till is from the Sapphires movie, you know,
with Devor Melman. So we call that Sapphire Till is
an artistic creative space for artists. That's three hundred dollars.
(26:37):
But we've waived the fee for members in that category
if they donate a piece of art that we can
then sell off to help support the chamber. And then
there's the desert Red Dusk and that's the seven fifty Again,
that's another category of member. And that's what's so dynamic
about Kennaway. We give everything that we raised, we get back.
(27:01):
We've also laid out an app for all of our
members that joins the Kinawet app and it's a way
for folks like an Zi to you know, an Zi
to track social procurement. So it's track their social procurement dollars.
If they engage with our members, they can do that
all through the Kinawet app. And if you come into
the Kinaway Business Awards, you'll be able to download that
(27:23):
app for free for one year in order to engage
with our businesses and and do all of those things.
So have you heard of a gentleman by the name
of Patty Meals? Do you know a guy named Patty Mells.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I actually lived down the road from his mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, you know, Patty Mills just entered, you know, the
US and Australia has been on this kick about indigenous
to Indigenous business between Australia and the United States and
it's kicked off. Patty Mills just signed a joint venture
partnership with the first Native American company to be registered
in Australia called of Conda, Titoba. The company's name is
(28:01):
econdom Meals econom Meals just open their bank account with
an air Bank. So it's all coming together in a
beautiful way. So I'm excited that these opportunities, these joint
ventures and these business opportunities are happening for our First
Nations people with the help of the dynamic team at
an air Bank.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Donald, my brother. I just want to get onto you
and I will be hitting you up after this podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We need to stay connected.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We need to get some of these deadly black businesses
on this podcast. Can't wait to come to the World
Indigenous Business Forum, which is going to be held in
the Cooler Nations next year twenty twenty five. But look,
I just want to say thank you on behalf of
just our people, for someone like you to come and
(28:52):
show us what is possible, that realizes our potential and
knows what value we can bring to the world. Yeah,
there's not many people that I've met in my lifetime
like you. So it's been an absolute privilege to even
have half an hour with you on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Absolutely, it's an honor to be with you, sister, and
call on me anytime. Let's let's make these Let's make
real generational wealth, seven generations deep, seven generations deep. It's
important we do that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Let's do it well.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Look, I need to let you go, but I just
want to say if any of our listeners that are
ablutional and touch on to people that actually reside in
the state of Victoria, reach out to kin Away and
see how you can become a member. I think it's
extremely important as a businesswoman myself to join your your
chambers of commerce, to make sure that you are surrounded
(29:45):
by people in a community that can support you, that
can guide you, that can mentor you. And sometimes we
just need, you know, someone else that's got some experience
to give us some advice. So it's so good to
see that kin Away is literally I just I didn't
think Kinawey was doing big things. I knew Kinaway was
(30:07):
pretty deadly because I see a lot of things that's
happening online. I've been to a few events, but taking
average normal touch onto businesses globally.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Has blown my mind.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I'm sure all of our listeners and viewers that
are that are watching and listening are probably thinking the
same thing, that they're pretty tough that this partnership with
Black Magic Women and am Z exists. Otherwise I probably
wouldn't have the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
To have this yarn with you.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So thank you, thank you very much, and I'm looking
forward to coming and see you. I'm actually in arm
next week.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You watch, let's COMMCT, let's COMMITCT.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
We've got to come there, Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So look, I'll let you go. Thank you very much.
It's been an absolute pleasure hearing the great work that
you're doing in this space. And I can just see
the impact already. The world don't even know what's about.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
To happen, no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh good, my brother. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.
Thank you again for making time.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
If you'd like to know more about how A and
Z can help improve your financial wellbeing or help you start,
run or grow your business, visit aanz dot com or
call one three one three one four.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and
allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to
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Speaker 1 (31:43):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
Black Cast unite our voices.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Black Magical and Podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of the
land we have recorded this episode on. We also acknowledge
traditional owners of the land where you, the listener OFVIER
are tuning in from. We would like to pay our
respects to our elders past and present and acknowledge that
this always was Aboriginal land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
This is a dynamic time to be an Aboriginal business owner.
I mean dynamic in the construction space, renewable indy space.
I just get excited talking about it, really, and I
think the banks particularly and Z understands.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
That this episode is proudly brought to you by A
and Z, a new series of conversations with different mob
around the country to yan about meaningful career opportunities within
A and Z, building the capacity of Indigenous businesses and
organizations and helping individuals in the broader community to achieve
financial wellbeing.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
And rezil is.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mandanara Baale.
Welcome back to another episode of the Black Magic of
My podcast. I am here on the beautiful lands of
the Camaragle people of the Orination just over the bridge
(01:30):
is my mother's country, and I grew up on Gadigle Country,
which is Redfern the CBD. So I want to get
into this episode, but I'm feeling really excited because one
I'm back on my mother's country and I live in Queensland,
and I believe that you're joining me from Victoria.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Is that true? Yes, she could be anywhere in the world.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I'm in nom in Victoria. I'm on Land, but through
a rundery well, wrong country in order to get here.
So yeah, I'm honored to be able to be in
this space and serve the great Aboriginal torture. Any businesses
of Victoria, is there I can ceo too deadly?
Speaker 2 (02:19):
So Donald, we actually asked guests on this podcast to
introduce themselves in Aboriginal terms of reference. So if you
don't mind, can you share with my listeners and also
our viewers on YouTube your name, tell us a little
bit about where you're from and even where you grew up.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, okay, Yeah, my name is Donald Betts. I'm a
descendant of slaves. I'm a freeman, a chalk Taw freeman
from Chalctaw Nation. I'm a I'm a proud son and
father and husband, and I grew up and I was
(02:59):
born in Wichita, Kansas, the midwest of the United States.
My moved to Las Vegas when I was ten. Raised
up in Las Vegas. So I know my street game
is real, is real? Uh legit. I grew up in
the uh, in the projects of Las Vegas by a
single parent. Uh. My mother was a single parent. Uh.
(03:20):
So we had to we had to endure the the
life of gangs and and drugs and prostitution and you know,
and and all of those things that surround communities that
are destitute and you know, lacking an example, and and
and all those things. But it was a It was
(03:42):
a village. There was a village that that raised me
up and some some some powerful Black men and women,
White men and women, Indian men and women. A community
that gave me a bit of hope. And I decided
at that time, at that age, that I refused to
be another statistic. So after graduating from high school, I
(04:02):
moved back to Kansas, attended a secular university, the Christian
university called Fringe University. Became the first African American student
body president there. Uh and then I applied for law
school was not accepted.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
And then I decided I'll take my political science degree
and run for political office to become uh the youngest
senator eventually the youngest senator in the history of the
United States at the time when elected, and definitely the
youngest senator went elected from the great state of Kansas.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
So uh, that's my US journey. And then you know,
to get to Australia, I was nominated with the American
Council Young Political Leaders to learn about the federal and
state parliament system. While on that trip, I met one
of the most gorgeous women of my life. Uh. And
then down the line, after she'd not given me the
time of day, I eventually you know, won her heart
(04:58):
in friendship and then that led to a relationship and
we have two beautiful children. We live in Victoria, and
I'm a lawyer and she's a businesswoman. And in a nutshell,
that's that's a little bit about me.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Well, like, massive congratulations on all of your achievements. You
still look quite young, so interesting with a career in
political science or in you know politics. You know, I
would think that would like age people. Well, they say,
(05:38):
black don't crack, right, you know, so he's still he's
still doing your thing. You went into law because you
said you didn't get into law at first. What made
you go back to law.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, it's always been a dream since I was ten
years old. You look at my Wikipedia. I laid out
there many many years back. But that has always been
my goal. You know, Politics was the second. It was
the fall back. Everyone said you always need a backup plan.
Well big to get involved in politics was my backup plan.
(06:10):
So I looked after my father in law and took
took care of him until he passed. And then I
knew that was the right time for me to jump
into law here in Australia. I am the first African
American to earn a Jewish doctorate in this country. And
and I do a lot of work for my first
nations people. Most of the work that I do is
(06:32):
pro bono work, even if they can afford me. And
and and we just we just go go along with it.
I cut my teeth at Norton rose Fulbright Global number
four firm before working with their joint venture jerem A Legal,
Australia's first national majority Indigenous own law firm UH. And
then UH two years ago, I started my own practice,
(06:53):
Bett's Law Company based out of Melbourne on Collin Street
four seventy Collins Street level of two Sweet five.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Well, now now we know where you are and all
of them mob listening. You know what that means. That
was an open invitation that brother, Although I end up
calling your uncle out where, brother, I know when people
call me aunt after remind them like, hey, siss is five.
You know, in my community, my family, I do a
(07:24):
lot to try and support as many people as possible.
So when you talked about pro bono and just giving
back and supporting people, it resonated with me a lot,
and it just made me think about like the work
that you're doing now at kin Away. I was able
had the privilege to come to Kinnaway and a in
(07:44):
Z's Indigenous market Place to celebrate NATEOC Week. So I
came and set up the podcast there for the listeners.
If you haven't had to listen to the a and
Z Kinawai Indigenous Marketplace episode. I was able to yearn
with some really deadly black business owners and entrepreneurs and
(08:07):
they're all members of Kinawe. So I'm really keen for
you to share with my listeners who have never heard
about Kinawe, what does the organization do and how did
you end up, you know, going to Kinawa because a
lot of the time we would never have people like
you in our organizations.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
And this is amazing for a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Of people to see that you can work in Aboriginal
businesses and spaces. We need people with skills, experiences, and
qualifications and passion and dedication to come into our organizations.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
So it was really good.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
When I saw you come up with the screen, I
was like, okay, and then I heard you talk and
I was like, okay, So I'm really keen for you
to share the amazing work. I've only had a little
bit to do with kin Awe because my business is
registered in Queensland, So yeah, tell us about So.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
The African American community is not too different than from
the Aboriginal tour Straet Islander community. We deal with a
lot of the same issues, a lot of the same
health disparities, the prison population. When I was a senator,
I had the displeasure of meeting three generations of black
men in prison, grandfather, father, and son. And it was
(09:31):
dante and it was shocking, and it would it shook
me to the core. I also lost a brother to
the system. My brother was in and out of the
system his whole life and eventually died on his knees
with bullet bullets rhythm through his body. And you know, so,
when I started studying Indigenous affairs and Indigenous people in
(09:51):
the Law, I took a real uh connection to First
Nations people and I felt at home when engaging with
First Nations people in Australia. I didn't feel isolated. I
didn't feel like I was the only one. I felt
like I was a part of that family. And I
still do to the core of my soul. And that's
why I am. Part of my learnings and my development
(10:15):
under the guidance of Bevin Meltman, Deborah Beltman's brother, and
the Law taught me Indigenous Black fellow ways. He taught
me how to engage and understand how black people in
Australia do business. And it opened me up to even
more affection an affiliation to First Nations people. And along
(10:37):
the way I met quite a few And this role
at Kennaway just so happened to be that because of
relationships that I had built with the r MIT, Global
Trade routes program. A gentleman by the name of David
parkin Aboriginal Brother reached out to me and said, hey,
you know, previously I was at the Runde Corporation leading
(10:59):
their organization, the row Wrong Cultural Aria to the Aboriginal Corporation.
After I finished my secondment there, they reached out and said, hey,
we need a deputy CEO. Would you consider coming on board?
And so I met the board of directors and they,
you know, we we initially did a six month stint
that stick six months of comment through my law practice,
(11:21):
and I came on and then the CEO resigned and
they asked me to stay on another six months and
then a further six months. But since we've been there
ken away, I've learned that knaway means in Gunna i
kernei language exchange. So I thought, you know, what about
you know, and when I sat with the board and
we started talking about our strategy, I said, let's open
(11:42):
this up. You know, these businesses should be going global.
They are just as formidable as any other business in
this nation or or any other nation around the world.
Why are we not looking at a global alliance? So
I said, you know, it's time to build that army.
I reached out to quite to all of the chambers
of commerce, the the ethnic chambers of commerce, Street Line,
(12:03):
an Italian, the Finished, the French, the Americans, everyone to say, hey,
we are open for business. Come check us out. Let's
see what's going on. We're going global. So last year
I thought, you know, I want to be really ambitious.
I'm gonna I want to take the I want to
take businesses overseas. So we decided we'll take the largest
(12:24):
First Nations trade delegation in the history of Australia to
my state of Kansas. And to show that, you know,
doing business in the state of Kansas is a lot
easier than doing business in La or New York. You
go to places where people are interested in you and
about you and not about your race and who you
you know, the people you came from. So as a result,
(12:46):
we had a a resolution drawn up in the in
the Senate a unanimous vote to recognize Kenewey Chamber of
Commerce as the Trading UH one of the trading bodies
for Australia and Kansas. That resolution is now in our
office today UH. And now you know we're getting attention
from dfat n i a a ib A, Victorian government,
(13:10):
the federal government. And as a result, I just recently
signed the you know initially, you know, normally with some
of these signatures you have to get bored representation. But
the window was so it was it was a short
opportunity for me to be able to solidify this for
the chamber. But I've signed documents to to sign Kennaway
(13:33):
up as the official host for the World Indigenous Business
Forum next year October twenty twenty five. So you need
to You're gonna have to be there to be interviewing,
interviewing these world Indigenous businesses. So Kennaway it is the
peak body organization in Victoria to certify Aboriginal and tourist
(13:54):
rate all inder businesses. We have almost four hundred daily
business black businesses that are doing some amazing things, kicking
some gold. We were able to secure over six hundred
million dollars last year in procurement dollars. We have about
two hundred and fifty Tier one corporate partners saying about
(14:14):
ten Global Alliance Friends of kin Away. We're bringing on
our registered Aboriginal parties, We're bringing on our non for
profit organizations. It truly is kin Away as big as
you think?
Speaker 2 (14:26):
My brother, I want to move to Victoria and I
have never said that before.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I so, how do people live in this place? Is
too compliment.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
But the excitement that's happening, that's coming out of you know,
the last eighteen months of your involvement with Kinaway is
like mind blowing for me as a black businesswoman. Yes,
knowing that this is happening. It's happening. We are going
global and that's one of my biggest dreams is for
(15:04):
our people to do business outside of this country because
we're so limited and so narrow minded in Australia. And
then for blackfellows, it's hard to kind of just we're
kicking down doors every day and I'm sick of kicking
down doors.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
We want an.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Invitation, you know, open the door, invite us in. So
what you're doing is something that I've always dreamt of doing,
is going overseas and doing business and being invited. You know,
being invited is having that invitation then trying to you know,
(15:43):
knock on the door and get people to give you
some of their time. So you know, Kinaway obviously has
a partnership with A and Z. You mentioned you've got
ten corporate partners. Tell me about this partnership.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
With A and Z.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah. So Azen is one of our two hundred and
fifty Tier Work corporate partners. And just as a disclaimer,
I am stepping down from the Kennewey Chamber of Commerce
at the end of December. We've just hired our new CEO.
He's just says dynamic, and I'll be supporting him through
his at least his first year. But Shelley over it
(16:18):
at Anz is absolutely remarkable. I love Shelley. She is
the type of person you know a lot of folks
you meet it's about looking at the watch. They're always
looking at the watch. They're trying to figure out how they,
you know, get to the next meeting. But Shelley, she
engages with you like you're the only person in the room.
No one can interrupt or discon make that disconnection. Shelley
(16:43):
at ann Z is the CEO's top pick. She should
receive the Employee of the Year this year. Ann said
has committed to do more with First Nations businesses, and
I believe them. They've just recently rolled out this dynamic
app for their for their for their customers, but also
they're really sitting at the table to say what can
(17:05):
we do? What can we do besides yellow gooods? How
can we help you with your cash flow? How can
we help you understand financial literacy a little bit better?
So everything is on the table, And this partnership came
as a result of other folks not really wanting to
(17:26):
truly engage, and an Zed said, you know what, We'll
come see you. They sent their upper cross to come
see us and sit in our boardroom and it's been
smooth sailing since. So in a nutshell, a Zed, I
tipped my hat off to you. You're doing a great job.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I've got to back you there. Not only because this
is an A and Z partnership series. I've been doing
business with A and Z for about seven years and
we've been rolling out cultural capability training right across their
business and then just supporting in different areas. So Shelley
and I've been working together on their First Nations engagement strategy.
(18:08):
So I've been doing some consulting and I can see
what's happening, and I know the impact that having a
First Nations woman or a First Sessions person in this
role for the very first time to lead up, you know,
like indigenous affairs. So there's some exciting things happening at
A and Z, but so exciting for our business as
(18:29):
our mob your members, do they get access to A
and Z or is there opportunities for your members that
are four hundred black businesses across the state of Victoria
to engage with A Z, Like how to A and
Z support the members not just the organization.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
I think in terms of and Z, they're getting their
strategy together and they want it tight. We've just entered
into our partnership with them. They're in constant discussions about
how do we do it? So anytime we need some help,
I'm like, you know, A towsand can you have this business?
Can you we need you know, we need to set
up an account, you know first, can we get some
financial literacy? Can you you know, throw us a little
(19:10):
package together? And they're relentless. They make it move, they
make it happen. So if you don't have a bank,
somebody that's going to walk step by step with you
to help you understand those financial questions that sometimes you're
too embarrassed to ask about. Hey, don't feel embarrassed. We're
not all accountants. You know, that's what they get paid
for to advise us, so utilize and that bank.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
So that's the indigenous small business banking services that there's
a program there, so google it or jump into our
show notes so that you can read more. You know,
brother Donald, there are many banks in this country. You
know that there's some big banks and small banks, but
not all of them have indigenous business bankers. So when
I saw Townsend on a call and they said, hey,
(19:55):
this is your new banker, I was like, okay, said brother,
you're like the real deal. You're not just supporting the
business bankers. I had never seen a black feller in
that role before. It's so empowering, right, but really importantly
just for our mob to be able to talk to
somebody like us, and I don't think people really understand
(20:17):
how important it is. We feel much more comfortable, you know,
there's no shame there. I was going through a bit
of a tough time Donald, earlier this year with cash
flow December January for me as a business, you know,
doing training where everything kind of you know, shuts down
and everyone's going on Christmas holidays. There's always this kind
(20:40):
of struggle. January February. Then we're back on our feets
and then we're you know, kicking goals. I just need
to put things in place, Like I've got two mortgages.
I just need to make sure that I've got eleven staff.
There's eleven salaries.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
This business.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
This business is really important in terms of the impact
that we have in this country by developing, you know,
cultural capability and helping more Australians understand who we are
as First Nations peoples and also understand the history of
this country. So we were able to get through without
(21:17):
getting an overdraft.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
I love it or alone, I love it.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
We got through. There's some other deadly black fellows at
A and Z. Have you been able to go and
connect with any of the other mob at A and
Z yet?
Speaker 3 (21:32):
Donald, Yeah, I had. I wouldn't had dinner with the
CEO and all the directors and to represent Kennaway. Yeah,
I was the only black man in the room. But
you know, I'm a big presence. I'm six foot four
and I don't mind talking about the issues that our
businesses are going through. Cash flow was one of them,
(21:52):
and the fact that we need to do more and
don't I don't hold back maybe it's because of my
political background or my in terms of you know, serving
as a corporate lawyer. By the way, reach out check
out my website www dot bettslogco dot com. Uh. But yes,
I sat with these gentlemen and these ladies had Google
(22:14):
on one on one side, I had Deloyd on the other.
And it's just about, you know, having that presence, not
being afraid to talk about Aboriginal business, not being afraid
to let them know that Aboriginal businesses are just as
formidable as any other business. It's just that you gotta
give them a chance. You've got to give them a
seat at the table, let them sit down, and then
(22:37):
you will be astonished at what goes on. We can
do anything from Kyrol Jenics to chocoer Chips. You know,
it's like you know what I mean, show us, show us,
show us the table. We'll sit at it and then
you'll be You'll be You'll be happy. You did you know?
We have the first paint company, Jigga Jigga Paints. We
have a dynamic flooring company, dream Time Flooring, and a
(22:58):
Predummer Range, dream Time Range, Beautiful Pajummer Range, beautiful silks.
I mean you can do so much with logging on
the Kinawey dot com dot au or I mean Kinawey
dot yeah, Knaway dot com dot au. Check out the website,
reach out to our other deadly black businesses in the
(23:19):
North Northern Territory, in Western Australia and Queensland. You will
be astonished at what we can do. So when it
comes to anzed, they recognize that now they see the
bigger global picture and the fact that Aboriginal torchtrae doll
in their business owners are not singing tight in the
(23:39):
country and they're going over to China and Italy and
the United States and Canada to do business. I believe
these banks are looking at saying, ooh, we better get
some of this. This is this is a dynamic time
to be an Aboriginal business owner. I mean dynamic in
the construction space, renewal, energy space. I just get excited
(24:00):
talking about it, really, I think, and I think the
banks particularly understands that and.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
This is what we need.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
We need to be able to get people to see
the value that Aboriginal businesses bring to the table. Yes,
you know they say that for every one dollar you
spend with an Aboriginal business, the social impact equals four
dollars forty one and that you know, that helps me
support many people in my community that say, you know,
(24:32):
how did you get into business? Can you have a
look at my logo? Or can your producer produce my podcast?
Because I don't have any money. We do so much
for our communities. We are we are constantly giving back
to our community and we need to make sure that
we can. You know that it's sustainable as well. So
when people become members of Kinawei, do they.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Pay a fee? Like just so for Victorian businesses.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
If you're listening to this podcast or you're watching it
on YouTube, how does an Aboriginal business or a touch
on the business join up?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Okay, so we have four different categories. The top category
is the Daily Black membership. These are for businesses that
are already procuring five million, twenty million, one hundred million
dollar contracts. They come on board five thousand dollars for
Daily Black and with that five thousand dollars says each one,
reach one, teach one, We take that back and we
give it to members that can't afford it. Right, so
(25:28):
we'll if if there's a member that comes to us,
no one is turned away. I just want to put
that out there and be clear that no one has
turned away because we have these daily black members and
saying don't turn anybody away. You know, we're gonna support
that membership for that young Aboriginal businesses, for that new startup.
The entry fee is one hundred and fifty dollars. That's
the that's the the gold the gold Dust Member, the
(25:52):
gold Dust Member, and that's the entry level where you
get certification, you get a little help here and there,
you might get a podcast. And I don't know all
of the levels. You gotta talk kylgar under woman Georgina Parissi.
If you want to know the details about the memberships,
then there's this special category the Sapphire Till Member, the
Sapphire Teal member, and all of these names were created
(26:16):
by the Bevin Melman, the director of Jigga Jiga Pant.
So these these are actually paint colors you can get.
So Sapphire Till is from the Sapphires movie, you know,
with Devor Melman. So we call that Sapphire Till is
an artistic creative space for artists. That's three hundred dollars.
(26:37):
But we've waived the fee for members in that category
if they donate a piece of art that we can
then sell off to help support the chamber. And then
there's the desert Red Dusk and that's the seven fifty Again,
that's another category of member. And that's what's so dynamic
about Kennaway. We give everything that we raised, we get back.
(27:01):
We've also laid out an app for all of our
members that joins the Kinawet app and it's a way
for folks like an Zi to you know, an Zi
to track social procurement. So it's track their social procurement dollars.
If they engage with our members, they can do that
all through the Kinawet app. And if you come into
the Kinaway Business Awards, you'll be able to download that
(27:23):
app for free for one year in order to engage
with our businesses and and do all of those things.
So have you heard of a gentleman by the name
of Patty Meals? Do you know a guy named Patty Mells.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I actually lived down the road from his mom and dad.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
Well, you know, Patty Mills just entered, you know, the
US and Australia has been on this kick about indigenous
to Indigenous business between Australia and the United States and
it's kicked off. Patty Mills just signed a joint venture
partnership with the first Native American company to be registered
in Australia called of Conda, Titoba. The company's name is
(28:01):
econdom Meals econom Meals just open their bank account with
an air Bank. So it's all coming together in a
beautiful way. So I'm excited that these opportunities, these joint
ventures and these business opportunities are happening for our First
Nations people with the help of the dynamic team at
an air Bank.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Donald, my brother. I just want to get onto you
and I will be hitting you up after this podcast.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
We need to stay connected.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
We need to get some of these deadly black businesses
on this podcast. Can't wait to come to the World
Indigenous Business Forum, which is going to be held in
the Cooler Nations next year twenty twenty five. But look,
I just want to say thank you on behalf of
just our people, for someone like you to come and
(28:52):
show us what is possible, that realizes our potential and
knows what value we can bring to the world. Yeah,
there's not many people that I've met in my lifetime
like you. So it's been an absolute privilege to even
have half an hour with you on this podcast.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Absolutely, it's an honor to be with you, sister, and
call on me anytime. Let's let's make these Let's make
real generational wealth, seven generations deep, seven generations deep. It's
important we do that.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Let's do it well.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Look, I need to let you go, but I just
want to say if any of our listeners that are
ablutional and touch on to people that actually reside in
the state of Victoria, reach out to kin Away and
see how you can become a member. I think it's
extremely important as a businesswoman myself to join your your
chambers of commerce, to make sure that you are surrounded
(29:45):
by people in a community that can support you, that
can guide you, that can mentor you. And sometimes we
just need, you know, someone else that's got some experience
to give us some advice. So it's so good to
see that kin Away is literally I just I didn't
think Kinawey was doing big things. I knew Kinaway was
(30:07):
pretty deadly because I see a lot of things that's
happening online. I've been to a few events, but taking
average normal touch onto businesses globally.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Has blown my mind.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
And I'm sure all of our listeners and viewers that
are that are watching and listening are probably thinking the
same thing, that they're pretty tough that this partnership with
Black Magic Women and am Z exists. Otherwise I probably
wouldn't have the opportunity.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
To have this yarn with you.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
So thank you, thank you very much, and I'm looking
forward to coming and see you. I'm actually in arm
next week.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
You watch, let's COMMCT, let's COMMITCT.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
We've got to come there, Let's do it. Let's do it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
So look, I'll let you go. Thank you very much.
It's been an absolute pleasure hearing the great work that
you're doing in this space. And I can just see
the impact already. The world don't even know what's about.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
To happen, no idea.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh good, my brother. Enjoy the rest of your afternoon.
Thank you again for making time.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
If you'd like to know more about how A and
Z can help improve your financial wellbeing or help you start,
run or grow your business, visit aanz dot com or
call one three one three one four.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
A big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and
allies who continue to listen, watch, and support our podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Your feedback means the world. You can rate and review.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to
our socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
We'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
The Black Magic Woman podcast is produced by Clint Curtis.
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