March 25, 2025 • 17 mins
In this episode of the Black Magic Woman Podcast, I yarn with two deadly young changemakers, Brianne Yarran and Jeremy Last, who are part of the Culture Is Life Fullaship Program. Brianne, a proud Noongar woman from Ballardong, Whadjuk, and Wagyl Kaip Country, and Jeremy, a proud Wangkangurru, Yankunytjatjara, and APY Lands man currently living on Kaurna Country, share their journeys through the Fullaship experience.
We talk about how the Fullaship supports young mob through leadership development, cultural connection, and personal growth—all without financial barriers. Bri and Jeremy reflect on the opportunities they've had to visit different First Nations communities, learn from respected Elders like Aunty Steph and Uncle Kenny Bedford, and gain tools to strengthen their mental health with support from Abstar Consulting.
This conversation is filled with wisdom and practical insight—not just for young mob, but also for organisations and allies wanting to back First Nations excellence in meaningful ways.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think with this program, you know, we've been pretty lucky.
It doesn't financially discriminate, so you can apply from anywhere
and you don't have to pay a single cent. Wow,
airfare's no food accommodation like it's pretty special.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bail.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic ow Podcast.
This is an episode where we are yarning about all
things culture is life, in particular the followship program. I'm
not going to give you much way. Actually, I'm going
to get the guests on this show to actually talk
about the followship program. I'm here on Beautiful Yagura, Turrible Land,
(01:15):
blessed to be here at the iHeart Studio. So a
big shout out to iHeart, but also a big shout
out to Thara Brown, a tita who reached out to
me on Instagram and was like, hey, Sis, can we
have a yarn about an opportunity which has now brought
us to this very moment in time. So the Followship Program.
(01:35):
I know my niece Lala is now one of the alumnis,
so I want to give a big shout out to
Lala as well, who had nothing but positives and like
literally raving reviews about this program. And it's probably a
program that you won't hear much about in terms of
opportunities for young mob to come together to develop themselves.
(01:58):
But based on culture. Everything is centered around culture and
that's the culture is life. Do we'll talk more about
that in a moment. I'm going to hand over to
our guest today. You've got the Deadly Sister, Bri. Sister,
do you want to share with our listeners and viewers
you know, your name, your mob, and a little bit
(02:18):
about where you grew up, and then we'll go over
to you brother Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, So my name is Brie Aaron. I'm a Nonga
woman from Perth. So my dad's side of the family
is from Northern New York. So that's a ballad on country.
And then my mom's side of the family are Wajak
from Perth and also woggle Kite from coaching up. But
I was born and raised in Perth.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
My whole life to Deadly over to you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, my name is Jeremy. I'm a proud so yeah
way away, I've got mob there and on the apy Lands,
I've mob there. I've been lucky enough to do some
family trips there and right now I'm living in Adelaide
on Ghana Country to.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Deadly, So, Jeremy, I guess you know living on Ghana Country.
You're here now in mungangin Aka Brisbane, the land of
the Yagura and Turible peoples. How did you get involved
in terms of with Culture's Life, Like when did you
first see it? Do you still remember the email you
got or you saw it on social media?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, So it was a bit of a funny one
how I sort of found out about the followship program.
I was in a LinkedIn group, the Association of First
Nations in International Development, and so yeah, someone there put
up the Culture's Life followship applications and it was sort
of the deadline was coming up, and I thought I
was umming and urring about it. Oh, I don't know
if I'll do it, because I'm more of an introvert.
(03:35):
I'm like, I don't know if I can do programs
like leadership programs like this, But I thought, oh, why not?
So I applied fairly last minute and yeah, in terms
of the application process, it was pretty smooth. There was
a few questions in terms of values, why you want
to do it, what's your project? So did that and yeah,
I got an email a few weeks later, do you
want to do an interviews? Did an interview and that
(03:56):
went all right, Yeah, deadly mob there, Culture's life. They
were pretty supportive during the interview and you know, which
was nice. So yeah, and then got the phone call
saying you can do it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So you get accepted into the program.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Pretty blessed.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So and there are hundreds of applications and you know,
ten to fifteen, you know people are going to get
that call. In terms of developing yourself, you know, in
terms of leadership qualities. Is that part of the program?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Absolutely, That's one of the pillars of the program. So yeah,
leadership is a huge, huge part of it. So I
guess we learn about leadership in the professional development sessions
that we have throughout the year. We have had like
uncle Kenny Bedford who was on the RAA Reconciliation Australia board,
so he's talked to us about leadership and that's aspects.
So yeah, every couple of months we have sort of
(04:41):
professional development where a leader in the community comes and
talks of us, talks to us about leadership.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Loved Hey Bulla Kenny. I just got to say big
shout out to Butlla. I actually met him at Monash
Business School doing my Masters of Indigenous Business Leadership with
Buller Canny's a big shout out to Butller and also
come and stayed at my Airbnb the coast with his son,
So there's a connection there already. You got to meet
(05:07):
him through this program and like you said, he's done
a lot of things in community and he's not an
old fellow, he's quite young. What about for you, Sis
in terms of what you know? What, what drew you
to wanting to be part of this program? What led you?
What inspired you?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I knew that twenty twenty four was going to
be a transitional year for me. I had just graduated
law school the previous year, so twenty twenty three, and
you know, during that time, I knew I was really
going to probably struggle with going into full time work.
It's very different to studying full time and the work
that I was going into, I knew it was going
(05:48):
to be pretty hard on my mental health. So I
wanted to make sure I was equipped to be the
best lawyer and best person that I can, not only
for the clients, but also for the organization that I
work for, the Aboriginal Legal Service of Western Australia too Deadly.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So you're a lawyer, I am okay. I love this
because for a lot of our mom that are listening,
you might be studying, you might be working, or you
might be still trying to find you know, your path.
So you kind of saw this as an opportunity to
help kind of grow into being a lawyer, but also
(06:22):
thinking about your own mental health. At Culture's Life through
the Followship program, I heard yous have connected and got
this Deadly partnership with doctor Greg Phillips and his company
ab Star. I've heard about the amazing work that they
do because I know Greg and Greg has been on
this podcast as well as a big shout out. But
tell me about the wrap around support. How does you
(06:45):
know how to like the ab Star and that kind
of wrap around support work.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, so we get free ab Star counseling sessions, and
I've really utilized that, particularly throughout when I've started my
full time work at the ALS. It's really hard, especially
when you come into work and get a phone call
that there's been a death and custody for instance, or
there's a case that's gone really really poorly, or you
know you have an inquest coming up, something really bad
(07:12):
has happened, and you just need someone to talk to
outside of your family and your friends. And it's really
nice to have someone from Abstar that you can talk with,
even little things such as talking to them about how
I was speaking of the client in prison, and the
things that they tell me is quite you know, traumatizing,
and it takes an impact on you.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
If you don't get it out.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So and I really didn't want to, you know, take
the whole brunt and load of hearing all this traumatic
experience and then you know, slowly beating down on myself.
I really wanted to have that protective layer to make
sure that I could be the best lawyer I could.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And a lot of these psychologists at Abstar are actually
First Nations as well. Yeah, which is pretty deadly. I
know that Abstar is like the because I've worked in
government before and you've got the EAP program right layer
assistance program, but this is like a black employee assistance
(08:09):
program that's now, you know, supporting culture's life. And I'm
pretty sure that there's not a lot of money out
there in terms of being able to put together a
program like this where you're bringing ten to fifteen people
together and then going to different countries. So I heard
that you've have been to Gimoi and you've also come
(08:30):
here to Mungangen, which is pretty far from where you're from. Sisraight,
you're from Wau're on the West Coast, and you've had
an opportunity. This is your first time traveling over the
East Coast.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I've been to the East Coast a few times, but
probably first proper time in Brisbane.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and you've been able to really immerse yourself here
in the local community. Definitely, yes too, definitely, So brother,
I'm going to asks you a little bit of a
question in terms of with this program, was there anything
like that we had to pay?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think with this program. You know, we've been pretty lucky.
It doesn't financially discriminate, so you can apply from anywhere
and you don't have to pay a single cent. Wow,
airfare is no food accommodation, Like, it's pretty special. So yeah,
I'd encourage anyone. You know, even if you think you've
got no money, will come here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Money. Money is a barrier because for a lot of
our mob these opportunities cost money. Right, that's just the reality,
right of signing up or enrolling into like a leadership
program or doing some professional development. I want people that
are listening to this yarn. We've got all different listeners.
You might be listening on a virgin plane, like that's
(09:43):
how deadly this podcast is. But I want people that
are listening that might even have a reconciliation action plan.
There are like three thousand organizations in the country that
are committed to reconciliation. They've got deliverables around education, community engagement,
or even procurement, you know, investing in indigital businesses and communities.
(10:05):
So this program is run out of culture is Life,
which is an abage on led not for profit in
some of your follers could have the finances to back
this program in particular when it comes to supporting black excellence,
supporting aberge ntush on people to connect with culture and
(10:27):
to do leadership. But based on kind of indigenous terms.
How have you found the cultural aspect of the program?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, really informative, you know, going out to see different
mobs in other countries to see how they go about it,
respecting country and interact with each other. It's been very informative.
And yeah, the cultural immersion in the intensives is really good.
You know, we go to Abiginal communities and you know,
we're welcomed in and yeah, just being able to see
how that community operates and they welcome us so well.
(10:58):
So they're really grateful to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And they'd be all different, Yeah, all different, because people
seem to think that for us as First Nations or
Indigenous peoples, that we're all the same. That's right, and
all the communities are all the same, but they're not
all the same at all. So you've been able to
go into different communities and see different how things are
run differently some of the successes or highlights in those
(11:22):
communities by connecting with local mob. What has been one
of your highlights from this program, if you could think
of one, there might be two.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, well there's a couple. I mean, obviously the main
highlight for me is being surrounded by young like minded
mob who want to do well for their communities. You know,
too much we see the media sort of drag on us,
say we can't do too much in the statistics, but
you know there's other many young fellows who actually want
to take on that legacy that the elders have created
(11:51):
in terms of helping our mob. So yeah, being around
young like minded mob and who want to make a
difference for their community.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
How empowering inspiring for not just our mob to see
you fellas, you know, take hold of these opportunities, but
like you said, for non Indigenous Australians, for people that
are part of the mainstream community to actually see what
we've got to offer. We've got so much, you know,
(12:19):
in terms of intelligence, deadliness, creatives, lawyers, or I've got
all these different people in our communities that are doing
so many amazing things. But when do you actually hear
about positive stories, especially when it comes to mainstream media.
And so you kind of hit it on the head
in terms of the work that you do in the
(12:40):
justice and legal space and some of the heaviness when
it comes to some of those cases. What do you
do outside of work when you think about looking after
your own mental health? What some of the things that
you do.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The main thing I do is run, so and I've
been really fortunate that there's a big group of us
who actually enjoy running in the fellowship. So most mornings
are out going for a little thirty minute run, which
is really sets you up for the day. And I
found that there's been some of my favorite moments just
the little conversations you have on the run and you're
on country and it's just really special.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I would love to stay and down with both years.
And I'm sure there's a podcast whole episode here that
we can dive into some of the work that you
do in community and even you know, what's next for you?
What are you going to do after this program?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, well, I'm in my final year of studying International
relations and Aboriginal Studies are UNIA Vdelaide, So yeah, I'll
be applying for graduate programs and hopefully Abiginal affairs.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hey, you follows that are listening to this podcast, this
fellow is ready if it's not a black card, there's
you're going to graduate another year soon and you're juggling
this on the side on the side.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, So yeah, it's been really a journey to try
and juggle, but it's fitting pretty well. Culture's Life are
a very supportive group of people.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So if you are studying or working full time, you
can actually fit this program into your schedule. All right,
don't let that to tell you. And what about for you, Sis,
You're back in the courtroom? Yeah, back in the community.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, it would just pretty much be just settling back
into work once I get back, and also with my
running group as well, just making sure I stay grounded
with them, and yeah, hoping for the best of the
year too, deadly.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Is there anyone in particular you want to give a
shout out to before we wrap up?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Probably Annie Steph. She's probably been the anchor for our
whole group. She's almost been our elder and residence for
all three intensives, and her presence alone is just really special.
She doesn't have to say much to make an impact
and everyone really respects her and she's just so invaluable.
And I know a lot of us have really strong
(14:51):
connections with our NaNs and so being away from country,
but we know that we're in protection of Anny Steph
and she's that beautiful figure that we can go to whatever,
that safe place.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, I love her. We all love it, honey Steph.
What about for you brother.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I'd have to agree, Funny Steph as well. I
mean she's been amazing, you know, teaching us sort of
you know, informative lessons of life, just general lessons and
how she's sort of been about it, working in that
sort of cultural education space as well. So yeah, she's
just a legend, cool, come and collected and she can
be direct when she needs.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
To do so, and that's what you need, right. I
love her. She's a legend to deadly. I just want
to say massive thank you, you know, big love to
both of you for jumping on the podcast and just
sharing a bit about your stories. And I hope that
for a lot of our young mob that are listening
that this actually Yahn inspires them to want to chase
their dreams and push themselves out of their comfort zone.
(15:49):
But even more for a lot of the corporates and
people that are looking to back Aboriginal and tush an't
to people black excellence. Programs like this cannot you cannot
run a prog without kind of backing resources, finances, and
we need more of these programs. We need more opportunities
(16:11):
for our Mob to be part of these amazing programs.
So hit these follows up. You've got Dara Brown, blindadouirte
at Culture's Life, and the whole team behind the scenes
that put these programs together. You know, your work and
dedication in this space is not unnoticed. So big love
and appreciation to all of you follows that are listening.
(16:32):
And I'm talking about the follows, especially the alumni that
are now you know use a out there doing some
of the work in the community, and you've got these
opportunities to also give back to the next generation to
come through these programs. So on that note, thank you
for coming on the podcast and to the listeners and viewers,
I know you would have enjoyed this yarn until next time.
(16:54):
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(17:16):
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Black Cast Unite our voices. Black Magic Women Podcast acknowledges
the traditional owners of the land we have recorded this
episode on. We also acknowledge traditional owners of the land
where you, the listener of youer are tuning in from.
We would like to pay our respects to our elders
past and present and acknowledged that this always was Aboriginal
(00:25):
land and always will be Aboriginal land.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I think with this program, you know, we've been pretty lucky.
It doesn't financially discriminate, so you can apply from anywhere
and you don't have to pay a single cent. Wow,
airfare's no food accommodation like it's pretty special.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Welcome to the Black Magic Woman Podcast with Mondonara Bail.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Welcome to another episode of the Black Magic ow Podcast.
This is an episode where we are yarning about all
things culture is life, in particular the followship program. I'm
not going to give you much way. Actually, I'm going
to get the guests on this show to actually talk
about the followship program. I'm here on Beautiful Yagura, Turrible Land,
(01:15):
blessed to be here at the iHeart Studio. So a
big shout out to iHeart, but also a big shout
out to Thara Brown, a tita who reached out to
me on Instagram and was like, hey, Sis, can we
have a yarn about an opportunity which has now brought
us to this very moment in time. So the Followship Program.
(01:35):
I know my niece Lala is now one of the alumnis,
so I want to give a big shout out to
Lala as well, who had nothing but positives and like
literally raving reviews about this program. And it's probably a
program that you won't hear much about in terms of
opportunities for young mob to come together to develop themselves.
(01:58):
But based on culture. Everything is centered around culture and
that's the culture is life. Do we'll talk more about
that in a moment. I'm going to hand over to
our guest today. You've got the Deadly Sister, Bri. Sister,
do you want to share with our listeners and viewers
you know, your name, your mob, and a little bit
(02:18):
about where you grew up, and then we'll go over
to you brother Jeremy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Yeah, So my name is Brie Aaron. I'm a Nonga
woman from Perth. So my dad's side of the family
is from Northern New York. So that's a ballad on country.
And then my mom's side of the family are Wajak
from Perth and also woggle Kite from coaching up. But
I was born and raised in Perth.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
My whole life to Deadly over to you.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, my name is Jeremy. I'm a proud so yeah
way away, I've got mob there and on the apy Lands,
I've mob there. I've been lucky enough to do some
family trips there and right now I'm living in Adelaide
on Ghana Country to.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Deadly, So, Jeremy, I guess you know living on Ghana Country.
You're here now in mungangin Aka Brisbane, the land of
the Yagura and Turible peoples. How did you get involved
in terms of with Culture's Life, Like when did you
first see it? Do you still remember the email you
got or you saw it on social media?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, So it was a bit of a funny one
how I sort of found out about the followship program.
I was in a LinkedIn group, the Association of First
Nations in International Development, and so yeah, someone there put
up the Culture's Life followship applications and it was sort
of the deadline was coming up, and I thought I
was umming and urring about it. Oh, I don't know
if I'll do it, because I'm more of an introvert.
(03:35):
I'm like, I don't know if I can do programs
like leadership programs like this, But I thought, oh, why not?
So I applied fairly last minute and yeah, in terms
of the application process, it was pretty smooth. There was
a few questions in terms of values, why you want
to do it, what's your project? So did that and yeah,
I got an email a few weeks later, do you
want to do an interviews? Did an interview and that
(03:56):
went all right, Yeah, deadly mob there, Culture's life. They
were pretty supportive during the interview and you know, which
was nice. So yeah, and then got the phone call
saying you can do it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
So you get accepted into the program.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Pretty blessed.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
So and there are hundreds of applications and you know,
ten to fifteen, you know people are going to get
that call. In terms of developing yourself, you know, in
terms of leadership qualities. Is that part of the program?
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Absolutely, That's one of the pillars of the program. So yeah,
leadership is a huge, huge part of it. So I
guess we learn about leadership in the professional development sessions
that we have throughout the year. We have had like
uncle Kenny Bedford who was on the RAA Reconciliation Australia board,
so he's talked to us about leadership and that's aspects.
So yeah, every couple of months we have sort of
(04:41):
professional development where a leader in the community comes and
talks of us, talks to us about leadership.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Loved Hey Bulla Kenny. I just got to say big
shout out to Butlla. I actually met him at Monash
Business School doing my Masters of Indigenous Business Leadership with
Buller Canny's a big shout out to Butller and also
come and stayed at my Airbnb the coast with his son,
So there's a connection there already. You got to meet
(05:07):
him through this program and like you said, he's done
a lot of things in community and he's not an
old fellow, he's quite young. What about for you, Sis
in terms of what you know? What, what drew you
to wanting to be part of this program? What led you?
What inspired you?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
So I knew that twenty twenty four was going to
be a transitional year for me. I had just graduated
law school the previous year, so twenty twenty three, and
you know, during that time, I knew I was really
going to probably struggle with going into full time work.
It's very different to studying full time and the work
that I was going into, I knew it was going
(05:48):
to be pretty hard on my mental health. So I
wanted to make sure I was equipped to be the
best lawyer and best person that I can, not only
for the clients, but also for the organization that I
work for, the Aboriginal Legal Service of Western Australia too Deadly.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
So you're a lawyer, I am okay. I love this
because for a lot of our mom that are listening,
you might be studying, you might be working, or you
might be still trying to find you know, your path.
So you kind of saw this as an opportunity to
help kind of grow into being a lawyer, but also
(06:22):
thinking about your own mental health. At Culture's Life through
the Followship program, I heard yous have connected and got
this Deadly partnership with doctor Greg Phillips and his company
ab Star. I've heard about the amazing work that they
do because I know Greg and Greg has been on
this podcast as well as a big shout out. But
tell me about the wrap around support. How does you
(06:45):
know how to like the ab Star and that kind
of wrap around support work.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Yeah, so we get free ab Star counseling sessions, and
I've really utilized that, particularly throughout when I've started my
full time work at the ALS. It's really hard, especially
when you come into work and get a phone call
that there's been a death and custody for instance, or
there's a case that's gone really really poorly, or you
know you have an inquest coming up, something really bad
(07:12):
has happened, and you just need someone to talk to
outside of your family and your friends. And it's really
nice to have someone from Abstar that you can talk with,
even little things such as talking to them about how
I was speaking of the client in prison, and the
things that they tell me is quite you know, traumatizing,
and it takes an impact on you.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
If you don't get it out.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So and I really didn't want to, you know, take
the whole brunt and load of hearing all this traumatic
experience and then you know, slowly beating down on myself.
I really wanted to have that protective layer to make
sure that I could be the best lawyer I could.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
And a lot of these psychologists at Abstar are actually
First Nations as well. Yeah, which is pretty deadly. I
know that Abstar is like the because I've worked in
government before and you've got the EAP program right layer
assistance program, but this is like a black employee assistance
(08:09):
program that's now, you know, supporting culture's life. And I'm
pretty sure that there's not a lot of money out
there in terms of being able to put together a
program like this where you're bringing ten to fifteen people
together and then going to different countries. So I heard
that you've have been to Gimoi and you've also come
(08:30):
here to Mungangen, which is pretty far from where you're from. Sisraight,
you're from Wau're on the West Coast, and you've had
an opportunity. This is your first time traveling over the
East Coast.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I've been to the East Coast a few times, but
probably first proper time in Brisbane.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and you've been able to really immerse yourself here
in the local community. Definitely, yes too, definitely, So brother,
I'm going to asks you a little bit of a
question in terms of with this program, was there anything
like that we had to pay?
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I think with this program. You know, we've been pretty lucky.
It doesn't financially discriminate, so you can apply from anywhere
and you don't have to pay a single cent. Wow,
airfare is no food accommodation, Like, it's pretty special. So yeah,
I'd encourage anyone. You know, even if you think you've
got no money, will come here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Money. Money is a barrier because for a lot of
our mob these opportunities cost money. Right, that's just the reality,
right of signing up or enrolling into like a leadership
program or doing some professional development. I want people that
are listening to this yarn. We've got all different listeners.
You might be listening on a virgin plane, like that's
(09:43):
how deadly this podcast is. But I want people that
are listening that might even have a reconciliation action plan.
There are like three thousand organizations in the country that
are committed to reconciliation. They've got deliverables around education, community engagement,
or even procurement, you know, investing in indigital businesses and communities.
(10:05):
So this program is run out of culture is Life,
which is an abage on led not for profit in
some of your follers could have the finances to back
this program in particular when it comes to supporting black excellence,
supporting aberge ntush on people to connect with culture and
(10:27):
to do leadership. But based on kind of indigenous terms.
How have you found the cultural aspect of the program?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, really informative, you know, going out to see different
mobs in other countries to see how they go about it,
respecting country and interact with each other. It's been very informative.
And yeah, the cultural immersion in the intensives is really good.
You know, we go to Abiginal communities and you know,
we're welcomed in and yeah, just being able to see
how that community operates and they welcome us so well.
(10:58):
So they're really grateful to be able to do that.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And they'd be all different, Yeah, all different, because people
seem to think that for us as First Nations or
Indigenous peoples, that we're all the same. That's right, and
all the communities are all the same, but they're not
all the same at all. So you've been able to
go into different communities and see different how things are
run differently some of the successes or highlights in those
(11:22):
communities by connecting with local mob. What has been one
of your highlights from this program, if you could think
of one, there might be two.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, well there's a couple. I mean, obviously the main
highlight for me is being surrounded by young like minded
mob who want to do well for their communities. You know,
too much we see the media sort of drag on us,
say we can't do too much in the statistics, but
you know there's other many young fellows who actually want
to take on that legacy that the elders have created
(11:51):
in terms of helping our mob. So yeah, being around
young like minded mob and who want to make a
difference for their community.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
How empowering inspiring for not just our mob to see
you fellas, you know, take hold of these opportunities, but
like you said, for non Indigenous Australians, for people that
are part of the mainstream community to actually see what
we've got to offer. We've got so much, you know,
(12:19):
in terms of intelligence, deadliness, creatives, lawyers, or I've got
all these different people in our communities that are doing
so many amazing things. But when do you actually hear
about positive stories, especially when it comes to mainstream media.
And so you kind of hit it on the head
in terms of the work that you do in the
(12:40):
justice and legal space and some of the heaviness when
it comes to some of those cases. What do you
do outside of work when you think about looking after
your own mental health? What some of the things that
you do.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
The main thing I do is run, so and I've
been really fortunate that there's a big group of us
who actually enjoy running in the fellowship. So most mornings
are out going for a little thirty minute run, which
is really sets you up for the day. And I
found that there's been some of my favorite moments just
the little conversations you have on the run and you're
on country and it's just really special.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I would love to stay and down with both years.
And I'm sure there's a podcast whole episode here that
we can dive into some of the work that you
do in community and even you know, what's next for you?
What are you going to do after this program?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, well, I'm in my final year of studying International
relations and Aboriginal Studies are UNIA Vdelaide, So yeah, I'll
be applying for graduate programs and hopefully Abiginal affairs.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Hey, you follows that are listening to this podcast, this
fellow is ready if it's not a black card, there's
you're going to graduate another year soon and you're juggling
this on the side on the side.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, So yeah, it's been really a journey to try
and juggle, but it's fitting pretty well. Culture's Life are
a very supportive group of people.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So if you are studying or working full time, you
can actually fit this program into your schedule. All right,
don't let that to tell you. And what about for you, Sis,
You're back in the courtroom? Yeah, back in the community.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
Yeah, it would just pretty much be just settling back
into work once I get back, and also with my
running group as well, just making sure I stay grounded
with them, and yeah, hoping for the best of the
year too, deadly.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Is there anyone in particular you want to give a
shout out to before we wrap up?
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Probably Annie Steph. She's probably been the anchor for our
whole group. She's almost been our elder and residence for
all three intensives, and her presence alone is just really special.
She doesn't have to say much to make an impact
and everyone really respects her and she's just so invaluable.
And I know a lot of us have really strong
(14:51):
connections with our NaNs and so being away from country,
but we know that we're in protection of Anny Steph
and she's that beautiful figure that we can go to whatever,
that safe place.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, yeah, I love her. We all love it, honey Steph.
What about for you brother.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I'd have to agree, Funny Steph as well. I
mean she's been amazing, you know, teaching us sort of
you know, informative lessons of life, just general lessons and
how she's sort of been about it, working in that
sort of cultural education space as well. So yeah, she's
just a legend, cool, come and collected and she can
be direct when she needs.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
To do so, and that's what you need, right. I
love her. She's a legend to deadly. I just want
to say massive thank you, you know, big love to
both of you for jumping on the podcast and just
sharing a bit about your stories. And I hope that
for a lot of our young mob that are listening
that this actually Yahn inspires them to want to chase
their dreams and push themselves out of their comfort zone.
(15:49):
But even more for a lot of the corporates and
people that are looking to back Aboriginal and tush an't
to people black excellence. Programs like this cannot you cannot
run a prog without kind of backing resources, finances, and
we need more of these programs. We need more opportunities
(16:11):
for our Mob to be part of these amazing programs.
So hit these follows up. You've got Dara Brown, blindadouirte
at Culture's Life, and the whole team behind the scenes
that put these programs together. You know, your work and
dedication in this space is not unnoticed. So big love
and appreciation to all of you follows that are listening.
(16:32):
And I'm talking about the follows, especially the alumni that
are now you know use a out there doing some
of the work in the community, and you've got these
opportunities to also give back to the next generation to
come through these programs. So on that note, thank you
for coming on the podcast and to the listeners and viewers,
I know you would have enjoyed this yarn until next time.
(16:54):
Bye for now. If you'd like any more on today's guest,
please visit our show notes in the episode description. A
big shout out to all you Deadly Mob and allies
who continue to listen, watch and support our podcast. Your
feedback means the world. You can rate and review the
podcast on Apple and Spotify, or even head to our
(17:16):
socials and YouTube channel and drop us a line. We'd
love to hear from you. The Black Magic Woman podcast
is produced by Clint Curtis
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