July 10, 2025 • 50 mins
It’s been a LONG while since we’ve talked about a female killer so JOIN US today as we talk about Margaret Ann Allen, 1 of the 2 women on death row in Florida.
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Speaker 1 (05:14):
It's been a long while since we've talked about a
female killer. Oh, so join us today as we talk
about Margaret and Alan one of the two women on
death row in Florida. Wow, two women? She what does
she do? You know? Florida like the for all people
(05:36):
on death row. Margaret and Allen was born on January
twenty third, nineteen sixty six, and grew up around Robins Avenue,
which was considered one of Tidysville's most dangerous and crime
infested neighborhoods in the whole.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
City, Titusville.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's Florida. That's Florida. Okay, we didn't mento Florida. Job
says she was locked up and this she grew up
in period. Her parents were Alvinia Strozier and she worked
on the Douglas Space Systems plant in Bravard, and her
dad was William Allen, who worked for a janitorial service.
(06:12):
According to Marge's maternal aunt quote, her dad, William was
in trouble a lot. She always wanted a dad. He
had spent some time in and out of prison, and
she was almost immediately affected by his absence in her life.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. And her dad issues grew even more intense as
she got older and it started to show itself and
the type of men she chose today Yeah, we're gonna
get torub president. You're preaching. Marge attended Titusville schools for
some time, but none of her family members knew if
she ever graduated. H what I don't I don't know.
(06:49):
Were they not present in her life? Well, we're going
to talk about her life. What that looked like. The
public school systems had no record of her graduating either.
So she did. And I'm not saying all dropouts or
criminals like, of course not, but being that Marge grew
up in such a rough and tough area and she
(07:09):
didn't spend her time in school, mate, she was probably
out here in these streets doing street thanks. She a
little street, a little rough. And Marge found herself on
the radar of police for the first time in nineteen
eighty eight. What happened and almost every year after that,
Marge was catching cases left and right. And she wasn't
(07:31):
doing like credit card fraud or something cute like stealing
from stores, you know, well not cute, but like you know,
clopping my own teeth. She was beating people up. Oh,
she was getting caught for possession and use of firearms.
She was aun she.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Was a thunk.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
She brutally attacked a pregnant woman. March, she's throwing explosive
in some people's hog dang, March, Are you a gangster?
She was even charged with selling cocaine and tampering with evidence.
Like Grissel the Blanco she out here girl adults was like,
(08:11):
she's probably like a three compared to Griselda. I'm just
saying foreshadow, I'm just saying Briselda was Yeah, Grizilla's was
the same. You know, we can we can talk about
her all day. But Marge was only ever convicted of
a couple of drug charges. Well, okay, besides the attempted
murder charge she caught in nineteen ninety one. I think
(08:33):
it was because of what she did to that pregnant woman.
But in that case, she was only found guilty of
aggravated battery because you know, if you survive someone trying
to kill you, they're gonna dwindle that charge down so much,
even though they shouldn't that it's gonna be disrespectful. Absolutely,
way too late, especially with her clear pattern of violent behavior.
According to Marge's aunt quote, some people get out, some
(08:55):
people do not, And basically she's saying Marge was a
product of her environment. Yeah, and she wasn't the only one.
I read that Marge has three brothers, and at least
two of them, James and Dave Strawsier, so they're her
mother's children, have served time in prison. Once served twenty
months in jail for cocaine possession and fleeing and eluding police,
(09:17):
and the other one is still in jail, Okay, not
jail prison, serving a thirty five year sentence for grand theft, burglary,
and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. So basically he
almost killed the person that he burglorized.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Wonder if they were out here thugging together, they probably
were their family.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, she learned some tricks or tall them.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Right because she had an older brother. I don't know
if Carlos. I think Carlos was actually older. He was
sixteen months when she was born. They were very close
in age. I think he's the one that's actually scheduled
for release in twenty thirty six. Oh God, not good, dang,
And that's her brothers. Wow, But the buck doesn't stop there.
(09:57):
In nineteen eighty nine, when she was twenty two years old,
March had a baby girl that she named Alvinia. After
her mother her month. So that's the picture that we
see of her. She's looking about the baby like, oh,
she's a spur pictures. I don't know. You know, she
caught a moment they call a not so cute moment.
(10:17):
She doesn't have a very cute face of rot.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
She said, I'm gonna train you well.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
The lipstick on, it doesn't look like she's a nice woman.
I'm not gonna lie. And Alvidio was twenty two years old,
I think in two thousand and one whatever your y'all
know the math. And she was in prison on gun
in drug charges.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The baby, Yes, that's when I told you, that's the look.
She's train you well.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And then her son Carlos. Did I say her brother's
name was Carlos, Yes, that's not her. Wait it might
be her brother's name. Hold on, I said her brothers
were James and what Carlos? Are you sure? No? Dave James?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Day?
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah, okay, James and Day My bad, yoall a little confusion,
little conversion. So Alvidia is in zoo zoo okay, gun
and drug charges. And then her son, not Alvidias, but
Marge's son, Carlos, who was twenty three at the time
was also in prison day drug and gun charges.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
These people are nurture versus nature. The boogero sugar is
fully flowing with these people. It's like cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine. Wow,
are they doing it or just pushing it? There was
little doings. There's we're gonna hear about some things.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know if this generational curses or legacy.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I think they're doing what they saw. Yeah. So Alvinia
was scheduled for release in twenty fourteen and Carlos in
twenty twenty one. Carlos he just got out basically twenty
one and he was in there for a minute for
at least ten years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah. And then Mama locked up today. Then Mama behind
bores March stealing jail. March, We're gonna get to it.
I don't want to get made well, she said, Mom,
We don't see. Marge had another daughter as well, but
I don't think she was living like that lifestyle. Okay,
at least one got out, good for her. So both
March and two of her children and two of her
(12:27):
brothers could have all been serving time at the same time.
Because we know Marge was in there when she got
convicted for the battery. We just don't know how long. Right,
that's crazy. It's the family thing. She was failed as
a child, and then she grows up to fail her children. Yeah,
so it's terrible. According to one of her cousins, who
wanted better for her and her kids because like her
(12:48):
cousin grew up in the same environment, was like, this
is not for me. It won't be for me. She said.
Quote they shoot guns, they smoke drugs. It's pretty depressing.
It is considered the ghetto. I kept looking at my
kids and I said, no, I want to give them
a chance to live. I love that because she knew
that you can get stuck so easily there. And although
(13:10):
Marge was one hundred percent like an abusive person, an
attacker herself, she went through her own abuse as well, sure,
and it was mostly at the hands of the men
she dated. One of her ex boyfriends from the mid
nineties beat her until she passed out, and then he
put her in the trunk of a car. Hm, oh
my god, Like he figured she was dead, you know,
(13:32):
so he just put her in a trunk. Oh my gosh. Horrifying.
So I can't imagine even going through that once. But
later we'll find out it might have been more times
than that that she was beat that bad. And according
to family members, Marche wasn't all bad. She could apparently
show incredible levels of kindness even the people she didn't know.
(13:53):
For example, she helped a young man named Quentin Alan.
Let's see where quinnin. So before we get to Quentin,
we have a few pictures we need to get caught up.
Who Marche Mars just had a rough life. It's been hard.
It's given from March. It's been hard. March. March looks
(14:15):
like Marjorie. She's scaring the.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like that lady from that movie Mama.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, Octavia Spencer, let's keep it cute.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, doesn't mean she.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Doesn't want to believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Ripley's lady that pop her eyes out.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
To whoa, whoa. Okay, I don't want to fresh per
so okay. So this is Quentin Allen and he wasn't
(14:57):
related to her at all, but she helped get him
off the streets like she herself took him off the
streets for this baby. But I think it's I don't
know if it was a tactic to manipulate him. I
don't know what it was, but I'm sure something that
she would eventually grow to regret.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We can't perfectly arched eyebrow.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, he's security PATUITI he has soft eyes.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He could have been you know, yeah, yeah, and he
could have been a good guy. And according to prosecutors,
what marche an Quentin would later do to poor Window
right warranted March quote nothing less than death.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I know she did something to him.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
She didn't do anything to him. She trained them a follower,
She put him in a bad situation, a bad situation,
and he looks super young, you know. Okay, So now
we've made it to two thousand and five when the
murder happened, and on the day of the murder, Wnda's
life partner Johnny Dublin said that he last saw the
(16:02):
thirty nine year old leaving his house with March, and
then she never returned. Window worked as a housekeeper and
apparently either like I don't know if she worked with
Marge in some capacity or clean Marge's house for her.
Highly doubt that she also could have been buying drugs
from Marge. You know, we don't really know that detail.
(16:26):
But somehow these women knew each other, and apparently Marge
felt like Wenda had stolen her purse. And in that purse,
according to Marge, was two thousand dollars missing. And we
know big Marge, right, Yeah, she don't play it by
her money or her coach. She's not gonna let people
or her reputation, not gonna let people play with her
(16:47):
and steal her money like that. So she couldn't tolerate it.
And that day when she picked up window from her house,
she was actually lurning her to her death. Hey, over
two thousand house. Wenda was pregnant.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
No, oh, this is another life.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yes, it's attempted battery. Aggravated battery on the preg Okay,
when does not pregnant? Okay in thirty nine? Okay, right,
which you can't be. But that's win though.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Hey one, did I wish she like so much?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
She so?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
No shade, I mean she she couldn't stole that money.
Oh lord, it is possible. But you know, we don't
like to say anything other than positive things about people
that haven't passed, right, But there are things about people
that pass that are always positive. So you know, we
gotta find like the middle ground, but it is worth mentioning.
(17:40):
Maybe she had sticky fingers. We don't know. Maybe maybe
she really did take it. We don't know. Two big mamas.
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Speaker 7 (17:49):
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
Once Wenda and Marge got back to Marge's home, she
was met with Quentin Allen, who, along with Marge, would
not let her leave like she begged and begged, and
they wouldn't let her go. Marge asked her where's my money?
Window said, I don't know. I didn't steal your money,
and Marge started the violent attack by hitting Linda in
the head, which knocked her to the ground.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
This is so sad head it You am the proof.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She had it right, right, that's real when you're drunk
off of power and uh drugs. Because I'm sure homegirl
was like, you know, putting her nose in some white
stuff every now and then at least she can't stand
her her bug guy. So, according to court documents, quote
(19:08):
Quentin hell Right down on the floor while Alan, while
Alan poured chemicals onto Right's face. She was like trying
to get it down her throat. Then Alan beat Right
with belts while Quentin tied Right's feet. When Alan pulled
a belt around Right's neck, Right begged her to stop.
(19:29):
Right started shaking and then fell still after about three minutes. Wow,
she didn't even steal the money. I mean, we don't
we don't know, but I don't think she stolen it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not about to do right, she didn't
even steal.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It exactly exactly. I'll be like, I didn't sew your money,
but I got two thousand to give you right now,
you know what I'm saying. You get your money, But
Wenda probably didn't even have it. You know, she probably
didn't even do it. And I'm sure sure she would
have confessed that she knew she was looking at it. Yeah,
like three minutes is ridiculous to behold her. Oh yeah,
(20:10):
she was beaten and then strangle. That's completely uncalled for.
After Wenda died, rest in peace to Wndow's terrible. After
Wenda died, Marge Quentin and a man named James Martin,
who was at Marge's house when the murder happened. So
this is James, who James, this is who was out
(20:33):
her house.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
He probably stole the money the post, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
James, Jes on the top of it. Dang James proud, Wow,
meth mouth. That's what he got. That's what that's given.
So he was there, he was, He claims he didn't
see it. He's probably on the on the girl in
the other room. Once you know, he came to or
(21:03):
whatever he was doing, he found Okay, Wenda's dead and
all three of them moved Wenda's body to a truck
they borrowed and drove her to an area off the highway.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Many How could they just inhuman.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Over some money, take somebody's life, risk your freedom, your
ability to see your children, nothing's worth it. But she
gonna see him because they all locked up your daughter,
not sons. So they got out the car buried Wenda,
covered the hole up and then through the carpet they
used to wrap her up in in a dumpster outside
(21:39):
of a truck stop and that was the end of it.
You know, they killed one of for no reason because
Mars never saw a pity of what she claims Window stole,
because she didn't. She didn't just want to kill Yep,
she's probably done it before too, that's the thing. She
was so comfortable and yeah, got her a little helper.
(22:01):
She knew what she was doing. Sure, Dan. And speaking
of Winda, let's talk about who she was. When does
this thing?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh sorry, sorry, I'll talk about March.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Oh lord, sid So, I didn't find a lot of
information about Window, which is just such an injustice. She
didn't even have a little blurb on obituary dot com,
which she deserved at the very least. Yeah, but I
did see that she had two sons with her common
law husband, and he actually was present for like the
whole trial, March's trial and everything like that, because yes,
(22:34):
March goes to trial, of course, and poor thing he
never recovered after her murder, never recover. He was in
a wheelchair, like at the sentencings and stuff like that.
The man just deteriorated.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Oh blessed, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, that's why you can't just be killing people. You're
ruining so many lives by doing it. So recipes to
Wenda and if you guys, if you guys any more
information about her, we would love to know so I
can share it with you know, all of our audience,
because she deserves to be known.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
There's literally one picture of her, like how she serves more. Yeah,
according to the autopsy report, her main cause of death
but strangulation by the belt. Yeah, but the violent beatings
she endured played a part in her death as well.
Something else also played a part in her death. We're
gonna get to it. Mm hmmm, uh huh. So, of course,
(23:31):
March goes on living her best life like nothing happened,
because who is she?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
She's a cycle it's.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Given cicho, a gutter tribe. She looks like one of
those fish that only can see in the dark because
they live so deep in the abys on top of
her hand, Dang, March, Marge has been through it. Yeah,
but like, don't put other kidney through it because yeah,
it's a pregnant woman like March be real. Yeah could
(24:01):
have been a customer, but still doesn't make it right
to beat on her. So basically nothing changed in her life.
It's back to business as usual. But not everyone could
just let go of a memory like that. Good what
Quentin did, Thank you mam, because it was Quinn that
was like, I can't do it, it hurts there we go,
I gotta tell somebody. Yeah, needed to unburden himself. And
(24:23):
within just a few days after the murder, Quentin turned
himself into the police and told him everything.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Good job, good queen.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He was meant for the streets. He told them what
let up to Wnda's death. He told them that he
watched Margaret strangle window for over thirty sorry, for over
three minutes. As a matter of fact, he's the one
that told them how long window was strangling her.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
And he said and he described sorry barge, yeah, and
he described cold, she was shook a little, how she
shook a little bit and then didn't move after that, He's.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Just washed the person literally breath left.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Their body, left, let go of my bladder, watching what
was what window was going through. You know, they're probably
so scared mar March.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Apparently because Quinn he at one point.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Because she got dude, he was weak.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
M h.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
He also told them where they could find Wenda's body
and said that him, Marge and James all buried her together.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Okay, yeah, he hold everything wheeled like.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The runt of the litter. Fully, I'm not absolutely positive
that Winda had been reported missing at that point, but
I'm almost sure like her fiance by the next morning,
even that night was still probably freaking out, like where
is she should be home? Yeah, so I know he
was worried. And the kids, Oh my gosh, she had
two sons. When March was brought in to talk to police,
(25:49):
she of course denied killing Wenda, and denied it until
the very end, never admitted anything. However, on Tuesday March eighth,
two thousand and five, she was still indicted on first
three murder and kidnapping charges period because they straight up
one hundred March plan what she was about to do.
(26:10):
Marge would take her case to trial, but Quentin decided
to accept a plea deal of second degree murder in
exchange for his testimony against March. I was sentenced to
like fifteen years. You know, I mean you didn't see
consequences to being in the wrong place at the wrong time,
if you really didn't do anything. I think the moment
he mentioned that he put his hands on Winda's bodies,
(26:32):
oh to restrain her and helped her bury one hundred
percent and went multiple days without going and says the
Lord is not more. Yeah, he was scheduled to be
released in twenty nineteen. So if he does, if he
didn't do anything else stupid, he should still be he
should be out. James was sentenced to five years in
(26:55):
prison after he pleaded guilty to being an accessory James's
cold girl. James didn't have no teeth. He was just
he was happy to have some word to be it right, right,
He was about to sit on Mars was who put
a roof over his head and gave him drugs. If
Marge was found guilty, she would be facing the death penalty.
Like we said, remember this is flawed, right. The prosecution
(27:18):
really only had one star witness and that was Quentin.
And mind you, we only know what happened because of
Quentin's testimony and the evidence found at the scene and
during her autopsy. He even described how the hole they
dug wasn't big enough at first to fit Window's body,
so James jumped on a piece of plywood to force
(27:40):
her body down into the hole. Yeah, and he only
got five years, only five years and did that to
a human being. That's that's that's her. Some people are
just like she was just like a like biogradable, like
she was not waste. Horrible jumping on her horrible. And
(28:03):
this is how the prosecution described Wenda's death to the jury.
So trigger warning. It's just heartbreaking and graphic. Yeah, you
know the prosecution gonna sell it. They have to tell
you exactly what she went through to say this person
did this to this person, find them guilty. Quote. She
poured bleach and other cosmetics on Wright's face as she
(28:23):
tried to find out how two thousand dollars had gone missing.
She tried to strangle her with the belt until she
lost bladder control and urinated, and she buried Right's body
in North Bravar with the help of two acquaintances with
ten or so blows to the face, arm, chest, knees,
and a belt tightened around Window Right's neck so tight
that the blood flow to her brain stops. That is terror.
(28:46):
That is the terror that wind to Wright experienced during
the last few minutes of her life. No one should
die like that. It's horrible. Oh, I would be holding
my breath if I was in that courtroom hearing something
like that. I held my breath reading it. It was
I wouldn't I couldn't wait to get into the jury
deliberation room a girl and stuff and then say guilty. Yeah.
(29:09):
M According to the defense, Marge wasn't in her right mind.
Though she may have done it, but she wasn't in
her right mind. Yeah, town, she don't look like she
looks cuckoo could chew. She looks like Uncle Rockets.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Since after the fact she was in her right mind
because she wanted her money.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah she had Yeah, she had a motive. She definitely
had motive. We definitely think she did it. We heard
this table thinks she did. Yeah. They had two different
experts speak and tell the courts how she suffered from
numerous head injuries in her life, so stemming from domestic
violence attacks. They pointed out how she was at the
(29:47):
lower end of intellectual capacity and had organic brain damage
that quote would destroy her impost control and make it
difficult for her to conform her conduct to the requirements
of the law, and I affect her ability to appreciate
the criminality of her conduct. So they're basically saying like
she may not be able to be held responsible for
what she did because she doesn't fully understand what she did. Lies, Okay,
(30:12):
whatever lies? Right? I just feel like this lady has
a criminal background, right, she has not just a criminal background,
but battery assault things where she has literally said I
will hurt you, and I have no problem doing that,
and I will be back on the streets to continue
to do the things that I've been doing.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, and then proceeded to say I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I didn't do it when she did it. When she
did it, I did. Don't tell you to cover.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Your tracks, I mean low I q'sn't tell you to
cover your track the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Thoughts girl, now that I said, she thought, I can't
undersee it?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Can't Who Uncle Rucus is from Power Payper?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, Uncle Rucki is from Boondocks. The Uncle Tom Sam
Harry that one I can see the one eye look
bigger than that. Yep, you know, Uncle Roca Christy pull
up a picture please while and continue oh my goshcokous.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Disgusting, and he hates black people, like yeah, yeah, he's
a coon, he's Stephen from Django.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You watch a lot of movie love.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay. Anyway, so they thought she wouldn't be able to
make a complex plan. That's basically what the first expert said.
She couldn't make a complex plan, which we know is
not entirely true, because hello, she did it. She did it.
Quentin and James didn't know Wenda. They had no reason
to target that woman and kill her at Marge's home.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Two accomplices, like they weren't the masterminds she was.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
One of them didn't even know what was going on.
He was so down dog on high. Another expert expert
disagreed with the first one. So clearly psychology and psychiatry
united Zach Sciences, which I love them, but it's also
very embarrassing how interpretation it is. But you know, the
(32:04):
mental space is a large place. Whatever. Marge's maternal aunt
testified to Marge's upbringing and how rough it was. She
even shared that she believes March may have been sexually
abused as.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
A child, and probably was, But like I did with
her murdering folks.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You mean something breaks into your psyche, you know, like
some people have, like they literally the chemicals in their
brain literally change because of the trauma. Yeah, and they
literally stop mentally growing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
But you still should be murdering nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You should have It's true. So even if she has
the mind of a seven year old, still still and
she had a lot of family members at trial like
supporting her.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, she looks better, her hair is grown.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, she looks better. Yeah, she's been in prison for
a long time. There more pictures, so this is from
her in court. Looks like she's smiling. Sick, but yeah,
that's what she was looking like when she was going
through the process. Real life sucked out of her. Yeah,
real cold and numb. Yep, given numb. She has three
(33:16):
children too, that's scary. What type of mother was she?
I wonder? Yeah, you see, looks like she was. She
told them the gang. It's true, because that's another thing.
How you gonna be insane when you teach her you
literally touch your kids the game. She taught this that.
They definitely watched what she was doing and decided to
do it too. Like I said, she had a lot
of family members supporting her, at the trial, which I
(33:38):
was shocked by a little bit because they know what
type of woman she is, but also she knows what
type of family she has, so I'm not entirely surprised
she came from them.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
They brought up how Wynda's autopsy also listed so this
is what I said, we would get to cocaine intoxication
as one of her causes of death. So they overdosed
well Rang though she did have cocaine in her system,
So they were basically trying to say that she may
have survived the horrific attack if she didn't have drugs
(34:10):
in her system.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
So when they get the drugs, she was a customer.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
She may have been a customer. Marge may have lured
her and said, hey, I have let's go, let's do
some drugs together, or something like that, you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Know, and that's why she probably thought that she she
stole the money together.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Knew her habit, It's possible. I mean, did you know
the habit of James the you know what I'm saying,
the crackheads literally in your house. I'm confused. That has
no teeth in the front, none, Like, did you ever
question him before killing Winda? Probably not well.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
For one, he was still in the house and he
had two thousand dollars. He was a little ghosted.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Shoot. Yeah, knowing how crackheads can be, she he probably
would have tried to buy some more drugs from her money.
He then pointed out the discrepancy, so he, meaning the
defense attorney, from what Quentin told police to what he
was telling the courts. His story was not consistent. And
they usually say that the truth is easier to remember
(35:13):
than a lie, So like, if you keep changing up
your story, probably which one is the truth? Exactly? The
jurors deliberated and came back with a guilty verdict period
because what going to do? Yeah, and now it was
just time to send in to her. When does husband
was asked if he wanted to recommend the death penalty,
and he said, quote, I'm not recommending anything because it's
(35:35):
not my decision to make that strong. Yeah, that's brave.
I would have said every colapre word I could have,
and they would have to bleep everything I would send
her that every hell I could have thought from every religion. Wow,
a lot of people are better than me. When Margaret
herself was asked, she was hysterically crying. Oh, hysterically doing
(35:59):
the most Okay, because a picture the emotion. What you cry?
You did it? Mother? You crying for to see her cry?
Looking like a toad, looking like the frogs from Thumblina.
She looked like one of them things from Hercules that
was with Haiti showed the green one specifically. Yeah, that's
(36:22):
exactly what she looked like. Pinky in the brain.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
She wishes what she crying for, she said. She said, quote,
I just feel like I shouldn't have to get the
death penalty for something I didn't do. Kayla standing on tintoes.
I told you all, they didn't care. They didn't care.
She was crying. She got three kids, though nobody was
trying to hear that, and the forty nine year old
(36:47):
was still sentenced to death.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Wow, she st so the end.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Wow when people straight up saw her killed this man.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And are testifying against her on the stand.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Wow, I just don't see women, woman, did I say? Man?
Speaker 10 (37:05):
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Speaker 1 (37:19):
I've seen girls looks like Basil look way better than hers.
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Speaker 1 (38:19):
When it came to her appeal, her team brought up
the fact that during her original trial, testimony was withheld
from a jail house snitch that said that with when
he and Quentin were housed next to each other, Quentin
had admitted that he was actually the person that strangled
Wnda to death.
Speaker 12 (38:37):
He was lying, he was trying to some cred and
yeah the queen, he looked sweet you know, he looked,
come on, yeah, he looks hap, he looks sweet, poor thing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
They said that yes, Marge owned a gun, but Quentin
said he never saw it and she never used it.
But later he claimed that she actually did get the
gun and pointed at them, forcing them to help her.
So she was like, you know, I'll shoot you and
kill you if you don't help me.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
He's trying to come from the fact that he did it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He was more of a part. Yeah, held there against
his will.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
When he learned that James only got five you changed
the story a little bit. May I'm amaze to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Maybe maybe he said at one point he was holding
the victim's arms and legs. Then he said at trial
he never held Wenda down. See he was lying about y'all.
There was so there was like five or six different
things that they listed that he was lying about from
the story he told to the cops and then what
he said a trial, like, stop trying to save yourself
(39:45):
at trial, you're going away for fifteen years, sir. There's
nothing you can do about.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
What happened was they gave him a lawyer, and the
lawyer told him to tweak that story. So he won't
get less to tell.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
If the lawyer told him that his lawyer told him
to commit perjury, because he he say in the statement
that I'm just saying if he gets caught committing perjury,
you know, and they they didn't say for longer.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, you literally took the plea deal for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just say what they're telling you. Yeah, just say what
you told them for initially. That's it. It's not going
to be any worse than fifteen years for you. But
I definitely tell you it's not gonna get any better.
Maybe that's what he thought was gonna happen. He even
lied about Bars being his aunt. He was just a
hot mess. But then I learned that James Martin, so
the other guy.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Toothless, also test shout out to how to trade your jagon,
So I learned James Martin also testified that he heard
Quentin say that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
He had a special chokehold he knew how to do
and actually used it on some people in jail before.
And he said he heard Quentin say that he was
the one that choked her. This is what James is saying. What, yeah,
do you think James. James's sentence isn't going to change.
James got five whether he says it was Homegirl or
(41:14):
Quinn or Quentin, and he says he heard Quentin is said.
Remember he didn't see who killed her, but he heard
Quentin say he was the one that choked her. Oh,
quitter qun not good. But it still wasn't enough to
convince the courts, and despite her appeals, her sentence became
final in October of twenty fourteen. She applied for post
(41:37):
conviction relief in twenty nineteen but was denied, and she
was scheduled to be the third of only two women
in Florida's history to be executed in the past one
hundred years. Who to death, She's going to death death Row?
It was. But before we go any further, I want
to talk about how maybe Quentin has like some mommy issues,
(41:58):
like maybe she prayed on his desire to be loved
and wanted to buy an older woman. You know what
I'm saying, Because hey, I could totally see that type
of situation and him strangling Winda to appease her. He's her,
you know what I'm saying. And the once he did it,
he couldn't take the guilt on his conscience and then snitched.
But he had been in jail before. Yeah, he's been.
(42:21):
He's had some time in jail, But going to jail
for like grand theft or possession is totally different from
going to jail for murder, you know, and he like
we see, he was at least twenty years younger than
what's her name, what is her name? March? So but
if he did it, why would he squeal? Did he
liked and say okay, let me blame it on Mars
(42:42):
before they really find out the truth. I don't think
he thought that far, because he's you're playing a dangerous
game there, you're playing with them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
But the thing is, Marsh never named Quinton for the
man just said she didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, she never snitched. She herself on James. I
don't think she I don't think she shared anything. I
don't think I don't think she talked. You know what
I'm saying. I think she denied, lied and denied and lied.
So yeah, she's on death row. I think it started
what twenty fourteen, spinalized twenty fourteen. In twenty nineteen, she
(43:24):
didn't get the post conviction whatever, whatever, she's on death row. Well,
she didn't give the state a chance to offer because
she offed herself. She didn't like kill herself. But she
died in prison. I think I think she actually died
in twenty twenty four. Really, why I don't recall it.
(43:46):
The articles are saying they don't know what the cause
of death was, but you know she was getting up
there in age. Prison conditions aren't really meant for you
to last super long. So you know, she just died,
wasn't killed, just died.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Even her own cousin said that death was a mercy
for her and like a life sentence would teach her
more of a lesson than death would.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Woo wow.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, it's true. Pretty rough.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, well really because you're on the hell, well, we
don't know. She could have cried out, the Lord said
everybody he does. He's so merciful, so aggive a lot
of questions.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm just saying, that's right, girl, that's real question. The
Lord never said I can't ask no questions. No, he
wanted to. Yeah, well, we just want to say recipes
to Linda. And he's out to her loved ones who
are still with us, her sons, her fiance, her common law.
They were like Yeah, her man period. They had kids together,
(44:52):
they loved each other, and he was told up when
she died, so I really feel bad for him.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Yeah, and the kid, it's you out here thinking you cute,
potentially strangling her.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
He should have got more time. I mean, fifteen, I
think because they couldn't necessarily prove if he personally strangled
her not, they could prove that he was there. I think.
I'm not entirely mad at fifteen. I think that Ryan
should be fifteen to twenty five, I agree, but fifteen
is not bad. Yeah, I don't want them out early.
You know. I think he did his full because it
(45:26):
was twenty nineteen. I think he did his full bid.
She was in jail for what twenty five twenty years
before she died. So yeah, her children are still alive.
From what I read, one of her daughters is like
and Titus still but I'm not sure if she still
is like right this minute. We know that her other
kids did get released, but one of her brothers still
(45:49):
in jail at least still in jay until twenty thirty six,
which is crazy. Wow, thirty five years that's crazy. Large
March family. Titus h s mm hmmm. Child out what
was the role called Rollings Reynolds. I don't remember Rollins
(46:10):
Rollins I think either way, rest in peace to Glinda
when right, I've never seen that name until this case,
so my tongue.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah, that's a different thing, very different like Linda.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
So we we really hope she's, you know, resting in
peace as peacefully as she can and her family is
healing all these years later. So yeah, that was our case, y'all.
Wow was our case? May sing Quinton? Did it? Do
we think? Mars? Yeah? Let us know who made the
(46:50):
final blow. I mean, whoever put that belt around her
was squeezing for three minutes. You know what I'm saying,
you deserve a special place they can get a finger
prints OFFA great question. Didn't see that brought up, not
even once.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
I'm still stumbed by the back fact that she didn't squeal.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
She said she didn't do to the to the end.
But what was she going to squeal and say that
Quentin did it or she she facilitated it. He would
have never did it if she didn't facilitate it, But
it wouldn't have gave her anything. She still would have
faced the death penalty because she orchestrated. She orchestrated. She's
the one that kidnapped one. She didn't send Quentin, she
(47:31):
didn't send James. She's the one that took her. So
you know, if you do all that, that's how women
like they plan for their husbands to get killed by
other people. They still go to jail for life, period,
because she would still be here if you didn't facilitate
her death, right full stop. Really really sad, but let
us know what you guys thought about this case. You
(47:53):
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It's been a long while since we've talked about a
female killer. Oh, so join us today as we talk
about Margaret and Alan one of the two women on
death row in Florida. Wow, two women? She what does
she do? You know? Florida like the for all people
(05:36):
on death row. Margaret and Allen was born on January
twenty third, nineteen sixty six, and grew up around Robins Avenue,
which was considered one of Tidysville's most dangerous and crime
infested neighborhoods in the whole.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
City, Titusville.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
That's Florida. That's Florida. Okay, we didn't mento Florida. Job
says she was locked up and this she grew up
in period. Her parents were Alvinia Strozier and she worked
on the Douglas Space Systems plant in Bravard, and her
dad was William Allen, who worked for a janitorial service.
(06:12):
According to Marge's maternal aunt quote, her dad, William was
in trouble a lot. She always wanted a dad. He
had spent some time in and out of prison, and
she was almost immediately affected by his absence in her life.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah. And her dad issues grew even more intense as
she got older and it started to show itself and
the type of men she chose today Yeah, we're gonna
get torub president. You're preaching. Marge attended Titusville schools for
some time, but none of her family members knew if
she ever graduated. H what I don't I don't know.
(06:49):
Were they not present in her life? Well, we're going
to talk about her life. What that looked like. The
public school systems had no record of her graduating either.
So she did. And I'm not saying all dropouts or
criminals like, of course not, but being that Marge grew
up in such a rough and tough area and she
(07:09):
didn't spend her time in school, mate, she was probably
out here in these streets doing street thanks. She a
little street, a little rough. And Marge found herself on
the radar of police for the first time in nineteen
eighty eight. What happened and almost every year after that,
Marge was catching cases left and right. And she wasn't
(07:31):
doing like credit card fraud or something cute like stealing
from stores, you know, well not cute, but like you know,
clopping my own teeth. She was beating people up. Oh,
she was getting caught for possession and use of firearms.
She was aun she.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
Was a thunk.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
She brutally attacked a pregnant woman. March, she's throwing explosive
in some people's hog dang, March, Are you a gangster?
She was even charged with selling cocaine and tampering with evidence.
Like Grissel the Blanco she out here girl adults was like,
(08:11):
she's probably like a three compared to Griselda. I'm just
saying foreshadow, I'm just saying Briselda was Yeah, Grizilla's was
the same. You know, we can we can talk about
her all day. But Marge was only ever convicted of
a couple of drug charges. Well, okay, besides the attempted
murder charge she caught in nineteen ninety one. I think
(08:33):
it was because of what she did to that pregnant woman.
But in that case, she was only found guilty of
aggravated battery because you know, if you survive someone trying
to kill you, they're gonna dwindle that charge down so much,
even though they shouldn't that it's gonna be disrespectful. Absolutely,
way too late, especially with her clear pattern of violent behavior.
According to Marge's aunt quote, some people get out, some
(08:55):
people do not, And basically she's saying Marge was a
product of her environment. Yeah, and she wasn't the only one.
I read that Marge has three brothers, and at least
two of them, James and Dave Strawsier, so they're her
mother's children, have served time in prison. Once served twenty
months in jail for cocaine possession and fleeing and eluding police,
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and the other one is still in jail, Okay, not
jail prison, serving a thirty five year sentence for grand theft, burglary,
and aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. So basically he
almost killed the person that he burglorized.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Wonder if they were out here thugging together, they probably
were their family.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Yeah, she learned some tricks or tall them.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Right because she had an older brother. I don't know
if Carlos. I think Carlos was actually older. He was
sixteen months when she was born. They were very close
in age. I think he's the one that's actually scheduled
for release in twenty thirty six. Oh God, not good, dang,
And that's her brothers. Wow, But the buck doesn't stop there.
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In nineteen eighty nine, when she was twenty two years old,
March had a baby girl that she named Alvinia. After
her mother her month. So that's the picture that we
see of her. She's looking about the baby like, oh,
she's a spur pictures. I don't know. You know, she
caught a moment they call a not so cute moment.
(10:17):
She doesn't have a very cute face of rot.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
She said, I'm gonna train you well.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
The lipstick on, it doesn't look like she's a nice woman.
I'm not gonna lie. And Alvidio was twenty two years old,
I think in two thousand and one whatever your y'all
know the math. And she was in prison on gun
in drug charges.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
The baby, Yes, that's when I told you, that's the look.
She's train you well.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
And then her son Carlos. Did I say her brother's
name was Carlos, Yes, that's not her. Wait it might
be her brother's name. Hold on, I said her brothers
were James and what Carlos? Are you sure? No? Dave James?
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Day?
Speaker 6 (11:04):
Yeah, okay, James and Day My bad, yoall a little confusion,
little conversion. So Alvidia is in zoo zoo okay, gun
and drug charges. And then her son, not Alvidias, but
Marge's son, Carlos, who was twenty three at the time
was also in prison day drug and gun charges.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
These people are nurture versus nature. The boogero sugar is
fully flowing with these people. It's like cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine, cocaine. Wow,
are they doing it or just pushing it? There was
little doings. There's we're gonna hear about some things.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
I don't know if this generational curses or legacy.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I think they're doing what they saw. Yeah. So Alvinia
was scheduled for release in twenty fourteen and Carlos in
twenty twenty one. Carlos he just got out basically twenty
one and he was in there for a minute for
at least ten years.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Yeah. And then Mama locked up today. Then Mama behind
bores March stealing jail. March, We're gonna get to it.
I don't want to get made well, she said, Mom,
We don't see. Marge had another daughter as well, but
I don't think she was living like that lifestyle. Okay,
at least one got out, good for her. So both
March and two of her children and two of her
(12:27):
brothers could have all been serving time at the same time.
Because we know Marge was in there when she got
convicted for the battery. We just don't know how long. Right,
that's crazy. It's the family thing. She was failed as
a child, and then she grows up to fail her children. Yeah,
so it's terrible. According to one of her cousins, who
wanted better for her and her kids because like her
(12:48):
cousin grew up in the same environment, was like, this
is not for me. It won't be for me. She said.
Quote they shoot guns, they smoke drugs. It's pretty depressing.
It is considered the ghetto. I kept looking at my
kids and I said, no, I want to give them
a chance to live. I love that because she knew
that you can get stuck so easily there. And although
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Marge was one hundred percent like an abusive person, an
attacker herself, she went through her own abuse as well, sure,
and it was mostly at the hands of the men
she dated. One of her ex boyfriends from the mid
nineties beat her until she passed out, and then he
put her in the trunk of a car. Hm, oh
my god, Like he figured she was dead, you know,
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so he just put her in a trunk. Oh my gosh. Horrifying.
So I can't imagine even going through that once. But
later we'll find out it might have been more times
than that that she was beat that bad. And according
to family members, Marche wasn't all bad. She could apparently
show incredible levels of kindness even the people she didn't know.
(13:53):
For example, she helped a young man named Quentin Alan.
Let's see where quinnin. So before we get to Quentin,
we have a few pictures we need to get caught up.
Who Marche Mars just had a rough life. It's been hard.
It's given from March. It's been hard. March. March looks
(14:15):
like Marjorie. She's scaring the.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
Like that lady from that movie Mama.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Yeah, Octavia Spencer, let's keep it cute.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Yeah, doesn't mean she.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Doesn't want to believe it or not.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Ripley's lady that pop her eyes out.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
To whoa, whoa. Okay, I don't want to fresh per
so okay. So this is Quentin Allen and he wasn't
(14:57):
related to her at all, but she helped get him
off the streets like she herself took him off the
streets for this baby. But I think it's I don't
know if it was a tactic to manipulate him. I
don't know what it was, but I'm sure something that
she would eventually grow to regret.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
We can't perfectly arched eyebrow.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Yeah, he's security PATUITI he has soft eyes.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
He could have been you know, yeah, yeah, and he
could have been a good guy. And according to prosecutors,
what marche an Quentin would later do to poor Window
right warranted March quote nothing less than death.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I know she did something to him.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
She didn't do anything to him. She trained them a follower,
She put him in a bad situation, a bad situation,
and he looks super young, you know. Okay, So now
we've made it to two thousand and five when the
murder happened, and on the day of the murder, Wnda's
life partner Johnny Dublin said that he last saw the
(16:02):
thirty nine year old leaving his house with March, and
then she never returned. Window worked as a housekeeper and
apparently either like I don't know if she worked with
Marge in some capacity or clean Marge's house for her.
Highly doubt that she also could have been buying drugs
from Marge. You know, we don't really know that detail.
(16:26):
But somehow these women knew each other, and apparently Marge
felt like Wenda had stolen her purse. And in that purse,
according to Marge, was two thousand dollars missing. And we
know big Marge, right, Yeah, she don't play it by
her money or her coach. She's not gonna let people
or her reputation, not gonna let people play with her
(16:47):
and steal her money like that. So she couldn't tolerate it.
And that day when she picked up window from her house,
she was actually lurning her to her death. Hey, over
two thousand house. Wenda was pregnant.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
No, oh, this is another life.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yes, it's attempted battery. Aggravated battery on the preg Okay,
when does not pregnant? Okay in thirty nine? Okay, right,
which you can't be. But that's win though.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Hey one, did I wish she like so much?
Speaker 2 (17:18):
She so?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
No shade, I mean she she couldn't stole that money.
Oh lord, it is possible. But you know, we don't
like to say anything other than positive things about people
that haven't passed, right, But there are things about people
that pass that are always positive. So you know, we
gotta find like the middle ground, but it is worth mentioning.
(17:40):
Maybe she had sticky fingers. We don't know. Maybe maybe
she really did take it. We don't know. Two big mamas.
You gotta love it, gotta love it. I love black women.
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Once Wenda and Marge got back to Marge's home, she
was met with Quentin Allen, who, along with Marge, would
not let her leave like she begged and begged, and
they wouldn't let her go. Marge asked her where's my money?
Window said, I don't know. I didn't steal your money,
and Marge started the violent attack by hitting Linda in
the head, which knocked her to the ground.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
This is so sad head it You am the proof.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
She had it right, right, that's real when you're drunk
off of power and uh drugs. Because I'm sure homegirl
was like, you know, putting her nose in some white
stuff every now and then at least she can't stand
her her bug guy. So, according to court documents, quote
(19:08):
Quentin hell Right down on the floor while Alan, while
Alan poured chemicals onto Right's face. She was like trying
to get it down her throat. Then Alan beat Right
with belts while Quentin tied Right's feet. When Alan pulled
a belt around Right's neck, Right begged her to stop.
(19:29):
Right started shaking and then fell still after about three minutes. Wow,
she didn't even steal the money. I mean, we don't
we don't know, but I don't think she stolen it.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Yeah, yeah, I'm not about to do right, she didn't
even steal.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It exactly exactly. I'll be like, I didn't sew your money,
but I got two thousand to give you right now,
you know what I'm saying. You get your money, But
Wenda probably didn't even have it. You know, she probably
didn't even do it. And I'm sure sure she would
have confessed that she knew she was looking at it. Yeah,
like three minutes is ridiculous to behold her. Oh yeah,
(20:10):
she was beaten and then strangle. That's completely uncalled for.
After Wenda died, rest in peace to Wndow's terrible. After
Wenda died, Marge Quentin and a man named James Martin,
who was at Marge's house when the murder happened. So
this is James, who James, this is who was out
(20:33):
her house.
Speaker 6 (20:34):
He probably stole the money the post, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
James, Jes on the top of it. Dang James proud, Wow,
meth mouth. That's what he got. That's what that's given.
So he was there, he was, He claims he didn't
see it. He's probably on the on the girl in
the other room. Once you know, he came to or
(21:03):
whatever he was doing, he found Okay, Wenda's dead and
all three of them moved Wenda's body to a truck
they borrowed and drove her to an area off the highway.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Many How could they just inhuman.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Over some money, take somebody's life, risk your freedom, your
ability to see your children, nothing's worth it. But she
gonna see him because they all locked up your daughter,
not sons. So they got out the car buried Wenda,
covered the hole up and then through the carpet they
used to wrap her up in in a dumpster outside
(21:39):
of a truck stop and that was the end of it.
You know, they killed one of for no reason because
Mars never saw a pity of what she claims Window stole,
because she didn't. She didn't just want to kill Yep,
she's probably done it before too, that's the thing. She
was so comfortable and yeah, got her a little helper.
(22:01):
She knew what she was doing. Sure, Dan. And speaking
of Winda, let's talk about who she was. When does
this thing?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Oh sorry, sorry, I'll talk about March.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Oh lord, sid So, I didn't find a lot of
information about Window, which is just such an injustice. She
didn't even have a little blurb on obituary dot com,
which she deserved at the very least. Yeah, but I
did see that she had two sons with her common
law husband, and he actually was present for like the
whole trial, March's trial and everything like that, because yes,
(22:34):
March goes to trial, of course, and poor thing he
never recovered after her murder, never recover. He was in
a wheelchair, like at the sentencings and stuff like that.
The man just deteriorated.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Oh blessed, it's hot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Yeah, that's why you can't just be killing people. You're
ruining so many lives by doing it. So recipes to
Wenda and if you guys, if you guys any more
information about her, we would love to know so I
can share it with you know, all of our audience,
because she deserves to be known.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Damn.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
There's literally one picture of her, like how she serves more. Yeah,
according to the autopsy report, her main cause of death
but strangulation by the belt. Yeah, but the violent beatings
she endured played a part in her death as well.
Something else also played a part in her death. We're
gonna get to it. Mm hmmm, uh huh. So, of course,
(23:31):
March goes on living her best life like nothing happened,
because who is she?
Speaker 3 (23:37):
She's a cycle it's.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Given cicho, a gutter tribe. She looks like one of
those fish that only can see in the dark because
they live so deep in the abys on top of
her hand, Dang, March, Marge has been through it. Yeah,
but like, don't put other kidney through it because yeah,
it's a pregnant woman like March be real. Yeah could
(24:01):
have been a customer, but still doesn't make it right
to beat on her. So basically nothing changed in her life.
It's back to business as usual. But not everyone could
just let go of a memory like that. Good what
Quentin did, Thank you mam, because it was Quinn that
was like, I can't do it, it hurts there we go,
I gotta tell somebody. Yeah, needed to unburden himself. And
(24:23):
within just a few days after the murder, Quentin turned
himself into the police and told him everything.
Speaker 4 (24:29):
Good job, good queen.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
He was meant for the streets. He told them what
let up to Wnda's death. He told them that he
watched Margaret strangle window for over thirty sorry, for over
three minutes. As a matter of fact, he's the one
that told them how long window was strangling her.
Speaker 8 (24:45):
And he said and he described sorry barge, yeah, and
he described cold, she was shook a little, how she
shook a little bit and then didn't move after that, He's.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Just washed the person literally breath left.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Their body, left, let go of my bladder, watching what
was what window was going through. You know, they're probably
so scared mar March.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Apparently because Quinn he at one point.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Because she got dude, he was weak.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
M h.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
He also told them where they could find Wenda's body
and said that him, Marge and James all buried her together.
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Okay, yeah, he hold everything wheeled like.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The runt of the litter. Fully, I'm not absolutely positive
that Winda had been reported missing at that point, but
I'm almost sure like her fiance by the next morning,
even that night was still probably freaking out, like where
is she should be home? Yeah, so I know he
was worried. And the kids, Oh my gosh, she had
two sons. When March was brought in to talk to police,
(25:49):
she of course denied killing Wenda, and denied it until
the very end, never admitted anything. However, on Tuesday March eighth,
two thousand and five, she was still indicted on first
three murder and kidnapping charges period because they straight up
one hundred March plan what she was about to do.
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Marge would take her case to trial, but Quentin decided
to accept a plea deal of second degree murder in
exchange for his testimony against March. I was sentenced to
like fifteen years. You know, I mean you didn't see
consequences to being in the wrong place at the wrong time,
if you really didn't do anything. I think the moment
he mentioned that he put his hands on Winda's bodies,
(26:32):
oh to restrain her and helped her bury one hundred
percent and went multiple days without going and says the
Lord is not more. Yeah, he was scheduled to be
released in twenty nineteen. So if he does, if he
didn't do anything else stupid, he should still be he
should be out. James was sentenced to five years in
(26:55):
prison after he pleaded guilty to being an accessory James's
cold girl. James didn't have no teeth. He was just
he was happy to have some word to be it right, right,
He was about to sit on Mars was who put
a roof over his head and gave him drugs. If
Marge was found guilty, she would be facing the death penalty.
Like we said, remember this is flawed, right. The prosecution
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really only had one star witness and that was Quentin.
And mind you, we only know what happened because of
Quentin's testimony and the evidence found at the scene and
during her autopsy. He even described how the hole they
dug wasn't big enough at first to fit Window's body,
so James jumped on a piece of plywood to force
(27:40):
her body down into the hole. Yeah, and he only
got five years, only five years and did that to
a human being. That's that's that's her. Some people are
just like she was just like a like biogradable, like
she was not waste. Horrible jumping on her horrible. And
(28:03):
this is how the prosecution described Wenda's death to the jury.
So trigger warning. It's just heartbreaking and graphic. Yeah, you
know the prosecution gonna sell it. They have to tell
you exactly what she went through to say this person
did this to this person, find them guilty. Quote. She
poured bleach and other cosmetics on Wright's face as she
(28:23):
tried to find out how two thousand dollars had gone missing.
She tried to strangle her with the belt until she
lost bladder control and urinated, and she buried Right's body
in North Bravar with the help of two acquaintances with
ten or so blows to the face, arm, chest, knees,
and a belt tightened around Window Right's neck so tight
that the blood flow to her brain stops. That is terror.
(28:46):
That is the terror that wind to Wright experienced during
the last few minutes of her life. No one should
die like that. It's horrible. Oh, I would be holding
my breath if I was in that courtroom hearing something
like that. I held my breath reading it. It was
I wouldn't I couldn't wait to get into the jury
deliberation room a girl and stuff and then say guilty. Yeah.
(29:09):
M According to the defense, Marge wasn't in her right mind.
Though she may have done it, but she wasn't in
her right mind. Yeah, town, she don't look like she
looks cuckoo could chew. She looks like Uncle Rockets.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Since after the fact she was in her right mind
because she wanted her money.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah she had Yeah, she had a motive. She definitely
had motive. We definitely think she did it. We heard
this table thinks she did. Yeah. They had two different
experts speak and tell the courts how she suffered from
numerous head injuries in her life, so stemming from domestic
violence attacks. They pointed out how she was at the
(29:47):
lower end of intellectual capacity and had organic brain damage
that quote would destroy her impost control and make it
difficult for her to conform her conduct to the requirements
of the law, and I affect her ability to appreciate
the criminality of her conduct. So they're basically saying like
she may not be able to be held responsible for
what she did because she doesn't fully understand what she did. Lies, Okay,
(30:12):
whatever lies? Right? I just feel like this lady has
a criminal background, right, she has not just a criminal background,
but battery assault things where she has literally said I
will hurt you, and I have no problem doing that,
and I will be back on the streets to continue
to do the things that I've been doing.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Yeah, and then proceeded to say I didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I didn't do it when she did it. When she
did it, I did. Don't tell you to cover.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
Your tracks, I mean low I q'sn't tell you to
cover your track the.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Thoughts girl, now that I said, she thought, I can't
undersee it?
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Can't Who Uncle Rucus is from Power Payper?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
No, Uncle Rucki is from Boondocks. The Uncle Tom Sam
Harry that one I can see the one eye look
bigger than that. Yep, you know, Uncle Roca Christy pull
up a picture please while and continue oh my goshcokous.
Speaker 9 (31:01):
Disgusting, and he hates black people, like yeah, yeah, he's
a coon, he's Stephen from Django.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
You watch a lot of movie love.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
Okay. Anyway, so they thought she wouldn't be able to
make a complex plan. That's basically what the first expert said.
She couldn't make a complex plan, which we know is
not entirely true, because hello, she did it. She did it.
Quentin and James didn't know Wenda. They had no reason
to target that woman and kill her at Marge's home.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
Two accomplices, like they weren't the masterminds she was.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
One of them didn't even know what was going on.
He was so down dog on high. Another expert expert
disagreed with the first one. So clearly psychology and psychiatry
united Zach Sciences, which I love them, but it's also
very embarrassing how interpretation it is. But you know, the
(32:04):
mental space is a large place. Whatever. Marge's maternal aunt
testified to Marge's upbringing and how rough it was. She
even shared that she believes March may have been sexually
abused as.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
A child, and probably was, But like I did with
her murdering folks.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
You mean something breaks into your psyche, you know, like
some people have, like they literally the chemicals in their
brain literally change because of the trauma. Yeah, and they
literally stop mentally growing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
But you still should be murdering nobody.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
You should have It's true. So even if she has
the mind of a seven year old, still still and
she had a lot of family members at trial like
supporting her.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
Well, she looks better, her hair is grown.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, she looks better. Yeah, she's been in prison for
a long time. There more pictures, so this is from
her in court. Looks like she's smiling. Sick, but yeah,
that's what she was looking like when she was going
through the process. Real life sucked out of her. Yeah,
real cold and numb. Yep, given numb. She has three
(33:16):
children too, that's scary. What type of mother was she?
I wonder? Yeah, you see, looks like she was. She
told them the gang. It's true, because that's another thing.
How you gonna be insane when you teach her you
literally touch your kids the game. She taught this that.
They definitely watched what she was doing and decided to
do it too. Like I said, she had a lot
of family members supporting her, at the trial, which I
(33:38):
was shocked by a little bit because they know what
type of woman she is, but also she knows what
type of family she has, so I'm not entirely surprised
she came from them.
Speaker 6 (33:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
They brought up how Wynda's autopsy also listed so this
is what I said, we would get to cocaine intoxication
as one of her causes of death. So they overdosed
well Rang though she did have cocaine in her system,
So they were basically trying to say that she may
have survived the horrific attack if she didn't have drugs
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in her system.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
So when they get the drugs, she was a customer.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
She may have been a customer. Marge may have lured
her and said, hey, I have let's go, let's do
some drugs together, or something like that, you.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Know, and that's why she probably thought that she she
stole the money together.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Knew her habit, It's possible. I mean, did you know
the habit of James the you know what I'm saying,
the crackheads literally in your house. I'm confused. That has
no teeth in the front, none, Like, did you ever
question him before killing Winda? Probably not well.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
For one, he was still in the house and he
had two thousand dollars. He was a little ghosted.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Shoot. Yeah, knowing how crackheads can be, she he probably
would have tried to buy some more drugs from her money.
He then pointed out the discrepancy, so he, meaning the
defense attorney, from what Quentin told police to what he
was telling the courts. His story was not consistent. And
they usually say that the truth is easier to remember
(35:13):
than a lie, So like, if you keep changing up
your story, probably which one is the truth? Exactly? The
jurors deliberated and came back with a guilty verdict period
because what going to do? Yeah, and now it was
just time to send in to her. When does husband
was asked if he wanted to recommend the death penalty,
and he said, quote, I'm not recommending anything because it's
(35:35):
not my decision to make that strong. Yeah, that's brave.
I would have said every colapre word I could have,
and they would have to bleep everything I would send
her that every hell I could have thought from every religion. Wow,
a lot of people are better than me. When Margaret
herself was asked, she was hysterically crying. Oh, hysterically doing
(35:59):
the most Okay, because a picture the emotion. What you cry?
You did it? Mother? You crying for to see her cry?
Looking like a toad, looking like the frogs from Thumblina.
She looked like one of them things from Hercules that
was with Haiti showed the green one specifically. Yeah, that's
(36:22):
exactly what she looked like. Pinky in the brain.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
She wishes what she crying for, she said. She said, quote,
I just feel like I shouldn't have to get the
death penalty for something I didn't do. Kayla standing on tintoes.
I told you all, they didn't care. They didn't care.
She was crying. She got three kids, though nobody was
trying to hear that, and the forty nine year old
(36:47):
was still sentenced to death.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
Wow, she st so the end.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Wow when people straight up saw her killed this man.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
And are testifying against her on the stand.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Wow, I just don't see women, woman, did I say? Man?
Speaker 10 (37:05):
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Speaker 1 (37:19):
I've seen girls looks like Basil look way better than hers.
The girls.
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Speaker 1 (38:19):
When it came to her appeal, her team brought up
the fact that during her original trial, testimony was withheld
from a jail house snitch that said that with when
he and Quentin were housed next to each other, Quentin
had admitted that he was actually the person that strangled
Wnda to death.
Speaker 12 (38:37):
He was lying, he was trying to some cred and
yeah the queen, he looked sweet you know, he looked,
come on, yeah, he looks hap, he looks sweet, poor thing.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
They said that yes, Marge owned a gun, but Quentin
said he never saw it and she never used it.
But later he claimed that she actually did get the
gun and pointed at them, forcing them to help her.
So she was like, you know, I'll shoot you and
kill you if you don't help me.
Speaker 4 (39:10):
He's trying to come from the fact that he did it.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
He was more of a part. Yeah, held there against
his will.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
When he learned that James only got five you changed
the story a little bit. May I'm amaze to do it.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Maybe maybe he said at one point he was holding
the victim's arms and legs. Then he said at trial
he never held Wenda down. See he was lying about y'all.
There was so there was like five or six different
things that they listed that he was lying about from
the story he told to the cops and then what
he said a trial, like, stop trying to save yourself
(39:45):
at trial, you're going away for fifteen years, sir. There's
nothing you can do about.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
What happened was they gave him a lawyer, and the
lawyer told him to tweak that story. So he won't
get less to tell.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
If the lawyer told him that his lawyer told him
to commit perjury, because he he say in the statement
that I'm just saying if he gets caught committing perjury,
you know, and they they didn't say for longer.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, you literally took the plea deal for fifteen years.
Speaker 1 (40:12):
Just say what they're telling you. Yeah, just say what
you told them for initially. That's it. It's not going
to be any worse than fifteen years for you. But
I definitely tell you it's not gonna get any better.
Maybe that's what he thought was gonna happen. He even
lied about Bars being his aunt. He was just a
hot mess. But then I learned that James Martin, so
the other guy.
Speaker 7 (40:32):
Toothless, also test shout out to how to trade your jagon,
So I learned James Martin also testified that he heard
Quentin say that.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
He had a special chokehold he knew how to do
and actually used it on some people in jail before.
And he said he heard Quentin say that he was
the one that choked her. This is what James is saying. What, yeah,
do you think James. James's sentence isn't going to change.
James got five whether he says it was Homegirl or
(41:14):
Quinn or Quentin, and he says he heard Quentin is said.
Remember he didn't see who killed her, but he heard
Quentin say he was the one that choked her. Oh,
quitter qun not good. But it still wasn't enough to
convince the courts, and despite her appeals, her sentence became
final in October of twenty fourteen. She applied for post
(41:37):
conviction relief in twenty nineteen but was denied, and she
was scheduled to be the third of only two women
in Florida's history to be executed in the past one
hundred years. Who to death, She's going to death death Row?
It was. But before we go any further, I want
to talk about how maybe Quentin has like some mommy issues,
(41:58):
like maybe she prayed on his desire to be loved
and wanted to buy an older woman. You know what
I'm saying, Because hey, I could totally see that type
of situation and him strangling Winda to appease her. He's her,
you know what I'm saying. And the once he did it,
he couldn't take the guilt on his conscience and then snitched.
But he had been in jail before. Yeah, he's been.
(42:21):
He's had some time in jail, But going to jail
for like grand theft or possession is totally different from
going to jail for murder, you know, and he like
we see, he was at least twenty years younger than
what's her name, what is her name? March? So but
if he did it, why would he squeal? Did he
liked and say okay, let me blame it on Mars
(42:42):
before they really find out the truth. I don't think
he thought that far, because he's you're playing a dangerous
game there, you're playing with them. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
But the thing is, Marsh never named Quinton for the
man just said she didn't do it.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, yeah, she never snitched. She herself on James. I
don't think she I don't think she shared anything. I
don't think I don't think she talked. You know what
I'm saying. I think she denied, lied and denied and lied.
So yeah, she's on death row. I think it started
what twenty fourteen, spinalized twenty fourteen. In twenty nineteen, she
(43:24):
didn't get the post conviction whatever, whatever, she's on death row. Well,
she didn't give the state a chance to offer because
she offed herself. She didn't like kill herself. But she
died in prison. I think I think she actually died
in twenty twenty four. Really, why I don't recall it.
(43:46):
The articles are saying they don't know what the cause
of death was, but you know she was getting up
there in age. Prison conditions aren't really meant for you
to last super long. So you know, she just died,
wasn't killed, just died.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (44:02):
Even her own cousin said that death was a mercy
for her and like a life sentence would teach her
more of a lesson than death would.
Speaker 3 (44:11):
Woo wow.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Yeah, it's true. Pretty rough.
Speaker 3 (44:15):
Yeah, well really because you're on the hell, well, we
don't know. She could have cried out, the Lord said
everybody he does. He's so merciful, so aggive a lot
of questions.
Speaker 1 (44:28):
I'm just saying, that's right, girl, that's real question. The
Lord never said I can't ask no questions. No, he
wanted to. Yeah, well, we just want to say recipes
to Linda. And he's out to her loved ones who
are still with us, her sons, her fiance, her common law.
They were like Yeah, her man period. They had kids together,
(44:52):
they loved each other, and he was told up when
she died, so I really feel bad for him.
Speaker 4 (44:58):
Yeah, and the kid, it's you out here thinking you cute,
potentially strangling her.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
He should have got more time. I mean, fifteen, I
think because they couldn't necessarily prove if he personally strangled
her not, they could prove that he was there. I think.
I'm not entirely mad at fifteen. I think that Ryan
should be fifteen to twenty five, I agree, but fifteen
is not bad. Yeah, I don't want them out early.
You know. I think he did his full because it
(45:26):
was twenty nineteen. I think he did his full bid.
She was in jail for what twenty five twenty years
before she died. So yeah, her children are still alive.
From what I read, one of her daughters is like
and Titus still but I'm not sure if she still
is like right this minute. We know that her other
kids did get released, but one of her brothers still
(45:49):
in jail at least still in jay until twenty thirty six,
which is crazy. Wow, thirty five years that's crazy. Large
March family. Titus h s mm hmmm. Child out what
was the role called Rollings Reynolds. I don't remember Rollins
(46:10):
Rollins I think either way, rest in peace to Glinda
when right, I've never seen that name until this case,
so my tongue.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
Yeah, that's a different thing, very different like Linda.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
So we we really hope she's, you know, resting in
peace as peacefully as she can and her family is
healing all these years later. So yeah, that was our case, y'all.
Wow was our case? May sing Quinton? Did it? Do
we think? Mars? Yeah? Let us know who made the
(46:50):
final blow. I mean, whoever put that belt around her
was squeezing for three minutes. You know what I'm saying,
you deserve a special place they can get a finger
prints OFFA great question. Didn't see that brought up, not
even once.
Speaker 3 (47:05):
I'm still stumbed by the back fact that she didn't squeal.
Speaker 1 (47:08):
She said she didn't do to the to the end.
But what was she going to squeal and say that
Quentin did it or she she facilitated it. He would
have never did it if she didn't facilitate it, But
it wouldn't have gave her anything. She still would have
faced the death penalty because she orchestrated. She orchestrated. She's
the one that kidnapped one. She didn't send Quentin, she
(47:31):
didn't send James. She's the one that took her. So
you know, if you do all that, that's how women
like they plan for their husbands to get killed by
other people. They still go to jail for life, period,
because she would still be here if you didn't facilitate
her death, right full stop. Really really sad, but let
us know what you guys thought about this case. You
(47:53):
guys really think that she was like too mentally impaired
to be sentenced to death like you for I don't,
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