December 18, 2025 • 55 mins
Today’s case is about a man that was instrumental in creating one of the most famous street gangs, NOT just in California, but in the entire US. So JOIN US as we discuss Stanley Williams, co-founder of the Crips.
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Speaker 1 (03:47):
Today's case is about a man that was instrumental in
creating one of the most famous street gags, not just
in California but in the entire US.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So join us as we discuss.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Stanley Williams, founder of the Crips.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Oh Mandino with the Crips. Who the Crips are? Yeah
Blue So.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Stanley Williams aka Sukik he was known as Suki, was
born on December twenty ninth, nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Way much older than me. Yes, but the Crips, like
the actual Okay is around joy age a little older.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But he was born in Nworlece.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Crazy coincidence. Christ is actually a nuance right now. She
is like Christmas as we record this. We love her.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I miss having her on the show. I miss having
her and you on the show because she is a mess.
We got to coordinate anyway. Stanley was actually born to
Stanley Williams Junior, so he was a third Okay and
it sucks that he was named after his father, who
ended up abandoning him anyway, and his mother not too
(04:56):
long after he was born. His mother was only seventeen
when she had him, so Stanley Junior running out on
her was extra crappy. Well, he was by only seventeen two, mom,
he was probably thirty's it's nineteen?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
When is this nineteen fifty three? It was?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'm almost sure it was a huge gross age gap,
probably was either way. In nineteen fifty nine, Stanley the
third and his mother moved all the way from New
Orleans to Los Angeles. Oh, south Central too, beek that
shout out to South Central Baddies Season six sounds streaming, okay,
and now that's TV.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You don't watch it watching.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And of course Stanley's mother had to be out of
the house working a lot. She was doing it basically
on her own, which left little Stanley at home by himself,
trying to find something to do.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh boy, and.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That stuff included big bad and fighting a lot. Oh Stanley, hmm,
TOOKI turned out to be the big one, not the
little one.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was not a little one.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, And he was making a name for himself around
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A really businessman. Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He was talking with the pants. He was coming straight
from the shoulder. Okay, he wasn't, you know, shooting people?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, then he was. He was throwing them, all right.
So they used to do correct how they used to
do the old school kind.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yep, that's where we're at over time. So he was
like really out there, really in the streets, so much
so that he stopped going to school altogether and instead
chose to commit his life fully to committing crimes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh I just say, way, he's getting money or something
because a fighting one paying the bills. It's gonna get
to that, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It always develops into that, okay, all right, And as
he keeps going out in the streets fighting, he's adding
more credibility to who he is, his reputation, all of
that is developing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Why you gotta fight, you fight? Well, you a little
bitty guy that you had to prove yourself. What I
don't know about a little bitty Maybe he was short
in stature, but I'm about to show you picture of
him right now, and you're gonna be like, let me
see the old too. Maybe that's why people weren't messing
with him. Oh oh, oh, don't do don't left the bridge.
(07:28):
They say he was.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't know what they said.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
He wasn't lifting weights, he was lifting bridges.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now they do claim that he said he got all
this muscle from like drinking chocolate milk. I swear it
was in the article chocolate milk and something else. It
must have been protein, a lot of it, perfect afro.
I'm not mad, huh, I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean he popauzell Man without the spanich. Yes, I
mean he's the honk that got stuck in the hog body.
Look at his wrist, He's just he's solid. What the
his muscles got muscles yet ain't tight tail jeans and
the belt I all wanted tight jas in the belt too.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, my shirt tug to.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think he looked good.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He looks good.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
God, I wouldn't want to be his woman. He'll hurt you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
When he ain't trying to through the flow animattress.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, that ain't were I was going. I was just
talking about my hug. Jez straight and broken back, go
ahead and eventually TOOKI met.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
His missing piece, Raymond Lee Washington.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh, Raymond was the trouble man. You can tell my
that the eyebrows and that lip.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
M he was he was seasoned for sure in the
criminal game, so they were close in age, but he
was already out there. I read that before these two
even met, they both had a crew or like gang
of you know guys that they hung out with on
their own and when they were introduced to each other
through mutual contact and realized they had like similar goals
(09:12):
about expansion and power. Yes, they were going to merge
their companies.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, we can't get along the gather, I guess so
act they were like, I don't know what they were
thinking behind it, We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I even read that the original gang Raymond created before
meeting Tuki was called the Baby Avenues Gang, and then
they became the Avenue Cribs, and then they became the
Crips when they joined who I know, right, I think
it's so cool, like the difference in names and stuff, Like, obviously,
(09:50):
we don't glorify this type of I'll say camaraderie or
criminal enterprise, because at the end of the day, that's
what it ends up being. But it's cool to see
people come together.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, and purpose, but purpose and plans under the same
business plan, business plan, you know it wasn't legit, but
I mean, it wasn't legal. Little legit, but it wasn't legal.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's just cool that both of them weren't in school,
but they were smart in different ways, and you know,
it's nice to see and a handsome man. You know,
this is the seventies, why not.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So they got together and initially it was kind of
like a neighborhood watch type of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
They created it to.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Protect their families and homes and just overall community. Okay,
but you can't forget the reputations of both Tuki and
Raymond that have already been created. Like people in the
area know how they get down and smaller gang leaders
knew too. So instead of going to war against Tuki
and Raymond, they chose to become subsets of the Crips. Okay,
(11:00):
so they started swallowing, you know, and absorbing other organizations.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Two Little Chocolate Negroes, two little Little fifteen that little book.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well they were fifteen when they started this. Yeah, by
nineteen sixty nine, so that means they're seventeen.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
What.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, they were an infamous like gang. Now it was
the Crips what started by some teenagers led by some
teenagers and the gang just kept getting bigger and bigger.
By nineteen seventy eight, it had a mass over twenty
thousand members spread across forty five separate crip gangs in
Los Angeles County alone. What I mean, it's crazy, twenty thousands.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What what y'all done?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
They have cell phones, so it was just what a
mouth and all in community?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The yellow Tea was real. Yeah, I mean, did y'all
watch the Black Panthers? What was y'all doing?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's so crazy that you mentioned that because a lot
of the guys at the time they were I don't
want to say aimless, but they were spending a lot
of time in the clubs. You know, they were seeing
the Black Panthers. They were inspired by the Black Panthers,
and they didn't really have the energy or the place
to put it. Because some people were like, dope, Black Panthers,
this is for you, and like I support it, but
I don't think it's something that I could be a
part of. And then they see the crips and they're like, oh,
(12:29):
that's more my speed. Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Wonder what was the difference. There was a different criminals.
They weren't no, they still correct.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
They had more of I don't want to say a
moral compass, but they had stricter rules than the cryps.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For sure, and they had straight purpose.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Straight purpose about advancing black people, whereas crips they weren't
really concerned with that necessarily, no more about advancing themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I would say, okay, but what do I know?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Don't know by a get mad at me out there?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I mean when I.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Used to cript walk my mom did me and Snoop Dog.
Oh well, we're gonna mention him in this episode again.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
At first it presented as more of a like United
Front by the people for the people type of thing.
That wasn't the case for long, because the group's focus
shifted from protecting their neighborhoods from other gangs to fighting
over territory and access points in the area. Is because
they were focused now on profit. What profits were they doing?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Drugs? Selling drugs?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Great question? Yes, they were specifically weed, meth and PCP.
Girl myth was back then too, girl people, you people
was cooking meth in the cave wearing no shoes told
you that? No, I'm just I'm sure, I'm sure. The
(13:54):
second thing they figured out how to make after fire
was some drugs.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Coca Cola for the big, for the small, the short
and the tall, peacemakers, risk takers for the optimists, pessimists,
for long distance love for introverts and extroverts, the thinkers
and the doers for old friends, and new Coca cola
(14:23):
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near you.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The drugs was flowing, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And yes, it led to a lot more money coming in,
of course, but it also led to more beef between
crib subsets. So like people wanted to make more money
if you weren't in a specific crib subset. But when
it came to money, it's still a competition, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So what happened They divide it, they divide it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They didn't really divide. I mean, there was always strife.
There's always going to be strife amongst family, you know
what I'm saying. And I just think there was different
things that they had to do to try it's snuffing out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
We're gonna get to okay, girl.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Because despite of all the in fighting or whatever, it
didn't stop the crypts expansion into areas outside of La
So by nineteen ninety nine, the crips had expanded into
the Midwest all the way to the East coast, and
that was adding about thirty thousand members to their ranks.
So right now nineteen nine nine, they are a fifty
thousand nationwide.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
They have grown because we thought that the world was
in it nineteen ninety nine, you really did? Yeah, yeah, Princeville,
what what what nineteen ninety nine. Don't you want to go? No? Yeah,
they were he gonna go. Wait, everybody thought to thought
we wouldn't make it to do them. Okay, yeah, were
(15:48):
you scared? Yeah? Okay, I don't believe nothing. Negroes about
saying it live about everything. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But just because Stanley AKA two if y'all forgot that's it, hey,
toub Big Tupe, the big one, not the little one
for show and Raymond formed the crips, doesn't mean that
they were in control of what each set leader decided
to do with like each individual crip gang. Okay, because
spoiler alert, both Tuki and Raymond had their own stuff
(16:18):
that they were dealing with, their own legal battles. They
was against each other, No, they were, they were in
the thick of it. I'll just say that because we're
gonna get to it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Okay, So, like I just mentioned, I don't like how
Raymond looking at me. Crey ca oh, I've changed it,
change it back to two. I'll show you chocolate.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Because these are some of like some of the Crip
members who told.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Them to start doing their hands like that. They all
black people. I'm gonna tell y'all this. I tell y'all
something else. We are the most creave of and theved of.
I mean, just come on with even the slang y'all
use every different year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Just come up.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I heard a slang today that I didn't know what
she was talking about. I had to use contact clues.
Context clues, yeah, context clue.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
She said, when she be cracking, okay, oh, she don't
be thinking about no bonnet on her head, And yeah,
she gonna crack with the bonnet on her head because
all the cracking she's doing, she needs a body on
her head because she don't want her.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Hair messed up. Oh my lord.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I come to the conclusion that when she's cracking,
she's doing the do she's smacking. Yeah, she's cracking, smack
and smashing with from smashing to.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh yes, just so many different words, y'all. So I'm
just saying, talk to her black, he'll shut up. I
do like her. She's funniest. I don't know what, but
but us black people are so creative. That's why the
eight People hated so much. They just ain't got that
and be jealousy. Why can we come up with it first?
(18:03):
Why they always have to be the original? Because we are? Mom, please, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
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that's my rent. Yeah, okay, and they'll be cracking.
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
So, like I just mentioned before, went on rent. There
are sets that would beef with each other, sets that
only beef with other gangs like the Bloods.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But regardless of what the organization.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Has been through in the last fifty plus years, it
all started with two little niggas from La Nigros, one
from South Central, one from the East Side, and it's
all still alive and well today, Wow crime, And I
would say, I know niggas in jail. Well, Le'm gonna
tell y'all this.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm gonna celebrate the the the mine behind it, the genius, innovation,
the innovation behind it. But that's all I'm celebrating. We'll
leave it right there, right there, And that's my opinion,
and I'm sticking with it. Per Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Now let's get to the meat and potatoes of this episode.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I'm already full.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm not gonna bring you back on somebody's don't steal that.
This episode is about two ki and yeah, he started
his criminal career at a very young age, like what
was he doing?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What was going on?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Even as the Cryp's organization continued to grow, Tuki remained
one of the strongest CRYPT leaders in South central Ah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, as long as he kept that for zeek.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So this is Raymond. Raymond was strong too, you know,
he was important, he was essential. But Raymond ended up
going to prison in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's when I was born. Raymond, what what you're doing fast?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Uff? And while Raymond was locked up, Tuki had to
focus on expanding the organization outside of the prison walls.
While I'm sure Raymond was focused on like expanding inside.
You could make a lot of money businessmen, business men
through and through recruit people while they're in there, when
they come out, they're and you know, loyalty. But when
(20:47):
twenty five year old Raymond was freed in nineteen seventy
nine and soon after murdered TOOKI felt an enormous responsibility
to increase the gang reputation and expand even more.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, Raymond didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
He didn't last long at all, mom. I mean, if
we're counting like when they started it, so let's just say.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Seventeen to twenty five. Still ain't it's not long.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But they were living a fast life, very fast. Apparently
Raymond had started two gangs before he even met Tuki.
But Tuke would soon find himself in the same place
as Raymond was.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What jail did both. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A little about Raymond before we move on. Yeah, Raymond
was known to be against using any type of weapon
to harm your opposition and was a huge proponent of
coming from the shoulders hands. Oh yeah, but unfortunately the
people that killed them didn't feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What they found the.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Weapon I don't know if I said this already. I
can't remember if I said it. But they couldn't control
everything that every faction was doing. So yeah, they were
selling drugs, but they started selling weapons and it is
gone and they started using weapons exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But let me ask you, this was another sector of
the crypt one of those that took him out, or
a rivalry gang. We'll get to it, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
On August ninth, nineteen seventy nine, just days before his
twenty sixth birthday, mind their fifth birthday, Raymond was hanging
out at the corner of E. Sixty fourth Street in
South San Pedro Street in LA when a car drove up.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
To him in a drive.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Whoever was in the car called Raymond over, and when
he approached it, someone inside started shooting at him.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He was hit multiple times and rushed to the hospital,
where he later died during emergency surgery. Oh yeah, I
don't wish death on them, like you know, they did
create something that ends up taking a lot of people's lives.
But I don't rejoice in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
This, No, no, no, you never rejoiced in somebody that
I do. Sometimes, Yeah, you shouldn't. But but they were cowards, yes,
they couldn't deal with the hands. They were lethal, so
they had to take the quick way out to get
rid of the competition. And that's what they do today.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's what is running rampant today.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Nobody fight fair anymore. They just go straight to the
lethal stuff. It's really soop.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
In spite of him not being alone outside when he
was approached that night, his murder has remained unsolved.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What nobody saw nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They saw something, all right, They just ain't saying nothing. So,
you know, rest in peace to Raymond, right like, depending
on how you feel, I feel okay to say it. Well, yeah,
I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We all know his soul and his relationship with God
because he was all tripping on the streets.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Christen told me I have to stop sending people to help.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, okay, you don't have no half the help nobody
had him stopping.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, So but the the what moving on.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
God judge the heart and not the actions all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So that's the worker. His heart was where the money was.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah okay, Well but okay, he could repent every night regardless.
He has family and that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I feel for them. Now before we get to the murder,
Tuki was convicted of committing I do want to make
it clear that Tuki wasn't just the co founder of
a widely known violent criminal organization. No, he was also
an avid bodybuilder, as you should see.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh wait, that's Raymond, Poor Raymond. Raymond looked familiar. That's doo.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's two girl took the man. Y'all not gonna patreon
talk the man into the come of redemption. I'm not
playing with you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm not I did.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm mad as shit.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Just some single baby boy from New Orleans, dang to
to that vision. Something was going he was gonna be
somebody was He was gonna go somewhere. Uh huh. So
you wake up and paid attention. Woke up and paid
she woke up sooner.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, yeah, so I have a bodybuilder, big body too.
I radther that Tuki had actually been shot before and
temporarily lost usage of his legs, so he started putting
himself through like a workout regimen to help him regain
use of his legs. I'm not sure if that's like
what helped him do it, like what made him do it,
(25:43):
but I'm sure it helped, you know, And he was
working out before then, so it wasn't just like him
being shot. But either way, that's a huge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Man bounced off his leg. But you know most body
building is big up top and let the bust leg.
But I bet you they shot one of them guns.
That thing was gonna ricochet shot.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
When they said he couldn't use his legs, I'm assuming
his back or something.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know, well, he was paralyzed if he couldn't use
his legs and drove me here cracking up. The man
was girl like us. You need to just say that.
And someone couldn't use his leg I know what paralyzed
me because I had a visual come on, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Lord, y'all lord, okay. He was also a youth counselor
what do nick Incompton? But not just any youth counselor mom,
oh no, he was an anti gang youth counselor.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Wait a minute, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it is a hypocrisy or just just wisdom too,
because I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You, is it creative aversion of the authorities? You had
enough members already?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What maybe he was recruiting secretly.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't know, I genuinely don't know, but my mind
was blown when I saw that, and then I'm gonna
blow your mind again right now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, because I'm speechless, and that you just don't happen.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He even became a Nobel Peace Prize nominee. What yet
the town because of children's books that he wrote, You
my man, You the man, Touki, you the man. And
(27:36):
so we're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To all that. But of course, first the murder. Oh,
murderers to a murder. Wait a minute, his his resume
is long. Yes, he's a businessman. He creates fifty thousand
member gangs. He writes children books. You canceled. He's a murderer.
(27:58):
He's a a maulten murderer.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yes, I don't want to say serial killer, but he
is a murderer. He's killed multiple.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
People, and he got guns.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He's a fixture in the community. I don't think he's
like a gun Well, no, I'm on his arms. Oh God,
about say he does use some gun.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Then we're about to get to it. Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So, something I hadn't mentioned about Tukia is that after
Raymond was murdered, it low key tore him up. He
went through a really bad downward spiral and he started
to abuse drugs. Now I'm not sure if he started
at that time or just started to use them more.
But one night in nineteen seventy nine, fifty one year
(28:43):
old Tuki was on some drugs when he and some
fellow crips orchestrated a robbery at a seven to eleven
in la and for a reason only the devil in
Tuki now, he decided to kill the store clerk named
Albert Owens. Albert was only twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Who is that? That's too that's too good, grandmama? What
what that shadow? I ain't doing something something you think
it's I think he has some booty and some boobs
on this picture.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He's just he's top heavy, mom, Yeah, he's top heavy.
Oh he killed the man for no reason, nothing for that.
It was a soldier, Yeah, he had previously served in
the army, and from when I read, he was going
through a really rough breakup at the time, and I
was just trying to like get his life.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Back like a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Hell was he twenty six?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He was a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He was around the same age I think as wait,
what years this nineteen seventy Yeah, the same age as too.
He was shot twice in the back at close range.
What a twelve gauge shotgun.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He wanted to blow his inside out.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Holes huge holes in this person for no hold.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Why but seven eleven money?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Seven eleven sixty three dollars? Mom?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is what Tuki? No way? I'm no way.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, rest in peace to Albert.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But you didn't deserve that, sir, So thank you for
your service. Yeah, you did what.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You lot working at seven eleven, and you never make
it home like it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Life is all the time. People do so cruel.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Later that same year, Tuki broke into a motel and
killed the owner, his wife, and their daughter. Okay too,
I'm not your free of them, mom. You don't be
killing families. And for a reason we don't even know.
I think he was like aiming to rob them, but
I didn't see anything about him getting away with money.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Make it makes sense to you already had the drug money,
you already had the business, You already had people slang
it for you.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Why I think he was crash now? He was just
doing stuff really ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The victim's names were sixty five year old Yin e
Yang sixty two year old Si shak chin Yang. Sorry
if I didn't say that right, you guys, and forty
two year old Yu Chin Yang Lynn.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
So they were Asians.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yes, yu Chin was shot in the face and the
parents were shot in their torsos with the twelve gage shot.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What was wrong? What you took?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
He's lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Nor hands that big that you gotta get that.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Kind of guns, the biggest gun that you could that
causes so much damage, it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Somehow, miraculously the mother and daughter were still alive. Wouldn't
help arrived, so the woman that had been shot in
the face, she was still alive, but unfortunately they later
died at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They were all Taiwanese and their daughter actually recently joined
them in California when she was killed. So so such,
it's horrible, so sad that was un necessary to make
it to your sixties and be murdered. It's just like
Ron Rob Rob, that guy that did the Princess Bride
and his wife were found murdered in their home like
(32:10):
a couple of days ago. They said their sun didd
or whatever it's like to make it to your sixties,
late sixties, seventies and to be taken out by your
child or anyone is like, come on, man, just let him.
Let them go peacefully, soundly, the rest in peace of
that thing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Somebody ever tried to rob me. I'm gonna say, one,
ain't got nothing, and then two, I know how to
keep a secret. You ain't. I ain't gonna turn in, mom.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
They're not gonna listen to you talk them out of
doing what they've already decided they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well. I'm a bit like that baby that got kidnapped
and be singing every praise until God come in the
room and convict him.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Where did you get that from?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That was a little black boy. The kidnappers kidnapped him
and he saying every praise to our God, every you know,
and he would not stop. And that that kidnapper got
so convicted. Let that baby go. Mom, I'm gonna I'm
gonna have to cover that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'm gonna have to talk about that, even if it's
like a mini case or something, because that's incredible, amazing.
We can talk about positive outcomes of people committing crimes.
I really do so, rest in peace of that family.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yes, Wowuki, this is not a good look on you.
You do I won't say good no, no, he wasn't
doing good, but he was doing good. Yeah, I mean,
we don't know. It's a play on words. Yeah, because
he wrote children book. He didn't do that when he
did all this.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
All right, so this is the too we get.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
We may get another took later. Oh, okay, we're dealing
with this too. Oh, this too is a book.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I read that Tuki was fairly quickly arrested and
eventually convicted of multiple counts of murder. He was guilty
and sentenced to death by lethal injection in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh wow, Oh he had so much muscles. I wonder
gout that needed We even get.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
In there, mom, Yes, he's still penetrable.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, I wondered, did they wear the soap, I mean
the sponge.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's a lethal injection.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
No, no, sponge, don't. I'm on the green mole, y'all.
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I wish he got the chair. He's big, bar well, no,
I don't know. Okay, Now, of course, anybody that knows
and loves Tuk, he was going to do everything they
could to try to save his life. Yeah, he's huge.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I wonder if he was tall. He was like Andre
the giant big Look at who is that that's too
Oh he's dribbled down, got a lot of different faces
to you, A man of all kind of faces and
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Speaker 1 (35:58):
Of course, anybody that knows and loves Tuky was going
to do everything they could to try to save his life.
And two of those people, almost every single one of
you have heard of before. One of them. Mom already
mentioned Snoop Doggs. Snoop Doggy Dog is one of them.
He actually has a picture of him and took together
Snoop and that's Snoop.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And I ain't mad at them though, trying to save
his life, he did some wicked stuff. People could be redeemed.
He yeah, right, right right, I can understand. Yeah, so
Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And then also Jamie Fox, Jamie Yeah, I read that
Jamie Fox played him in something and did spoop up
on behalf?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Did they swell them up? Yeah? I'm real serious as
a heart attack. I don't say it. I don't say
Jamie plays him. I don't say it. Cab, look, I
see the wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Mister t.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Back of a dad.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then I don't say Jamie here that they put in
Mama apartsthetic, so.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The big Mama suit muscle Lord Jesus, why now I
need to look up Jamie Fox playing this man?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Now?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I need to know because they didn't carest that, right,
I'm gonna tell you that right now. The couldn't sing. Hey,
I'm just trying to do the comparison. Are you calling
Jamie Cox? Yeah that I want to conversation with you.
But look at it, because why I played Wanda so good?
(37:44):
Don't you think Wanda was cock eye? Because he was cocky?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Okay, okay, okay, even okay.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Sorry, even the na A CP spoke up and felt
that Tuki's life did not deserve to be taken by
the government. And I'm sure it didn't hurt like that. Tuki,
who had been in prison at least seventeen years at
this point, had come out and publicly denounced gang violence
and gang culture. So he did that like early early
(38:15):
in nineteen nineties while he was in prison, and when
he was asked about his biggest regret in life, he said, quote,
creating the crips.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So well, we all can lie. Yeah, you can make
a month play anything, absolutely anything. Yeah, Because he was
handing his fingers crossed behind him. I lie, y'all, I'm lying.
I'm just trying to say my life.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Okay, I understand what they want to hear, yeah, but
he took it further because he also wrote multiple children's books,
like we talked about warning against gang culture. And in
two thousand and one he received his first Nobel Peace
Prize nomination. Wow, And according to what I read in
ABC News, he was nominated five times.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's the Dona Good Books.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Mom, five times total, and once for the Nobel Piece
for Literature. So I'm like, one of these.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Books, I love it too. I love that for you.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And this was such a pivotal time, I think, in
that type of culture, and because being in the gang
was extremely popular in the early two thousands, especially with
the type of music and you know, all that type
of stuff. So I can see why, which is crazy
because he was nominated by a Swiss person. So I'm like,
somebody that was Swiss knew this man was in a
(39:34):
prison somewhere writing children's books. And he deserved the Nobel
Peace Prize not once, but five different times.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, let me tell you this, I mean, for the
name's sake, it was very noble of him to promote peace.
A think he then did so much warn damage.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But you know, I feel like it's not the same obviously,
but it's like giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize if
he decided to change his mind and become a better person,
which we know will never have.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I can't give me Trump nothing but his finger. It's
middle Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump Trump. If you have
to stop a trunk, you ain't getting nothing with these hands.
And they're weak right now. But I'm yeah, they could
(40:26):
do some damage to him, but nobody else. Don't come
fight me.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
You can blow him away.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So I can see how people really think that this
man has changed, you know, and turned over a new leaf.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I mean, because for one, he's smart at heck, yes,
he's a chameleon. He is literally the jack of all trades.
So yeah, he can give that. He's a he's a
good actor, very good actor. But I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I don't know. Some people feel like it's just a
hoax because soon after getting to prison, Tuki was initiating
fights and the saults.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And don't believe you took because he kept putting his
hands on people.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
He was put in solitary confinement for six years. He
does it, put him lost him.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
He was too big for that little cage. They put
them in for one and then six.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Sears turn folks in there, and Tuke was a solitary confinement.
And this is when he said he lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
He loads his money, but this is when.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
He said he came to Jesus, he found God, he
asked for forgiveness, and he changed his whole life. Well,
I'm a he probably didn't find Jesu because that's the
only one that could fit in that cage with them
for six years. That's only one probatalking to well can
you please?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
But also yes, what Yeah, he wanted to turn over
a new leaf. Even before that happened, he created a
video like there was a video recorded of him speaking
and was played for over four hundred gang members in
San Quentin Prison, so the worst prison, yeah, in California,
(42:22):
And he was encouraging them to.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Leave the lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
And he did this like, yeah, it went deemingly on
his own volition.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
He wasn't speaking to a messages in it.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I wouldn't know, I didn't see, we didn't It wasn't
accessible to us. Okay, but people can't change the lord
does say absolutely, and his lawyers believed that he did
so much so that they were using all of this
good pr to try to get him off of death row.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
The lawd used to do anything though, so true.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And he had some appeals to to file, which is understandable,
especially after a death penalty death sentence.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Who the president was and one then, oh, save his
life during that.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Time, because it's up to the governor, not the president.
Who is the governor at that time, Swatsiga was the government. Yes, Oh,
he was mad about two mouse was what he was jealous.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
Time.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Well, he wasn't determinated again, he thought he was seem
like a guy's guy mom, get out of town, out
of town.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
It probably worked out in Newport Beach when he was
still out Yeah, before he got locked.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But either way, when it came to his clemency, one
of his attorneys said during a news conference, quote, this
is a life whose message was resonated with children, particularly
with the people of California. This is a man who
has not only redeemed himself, but he has sent his
message of redemption and nonviolence to the people of California
and all over the country.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
But they didn't see enough of fruit from that repentance
of gang member stopping. I guess well.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
They you can't force nobody to change.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
You just give him the message.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
The president and chief executive at the time of the
NAACP Bruce Gordon, said quote, we would make a huge
mistake to take such a valuable asset, such a brilliant
source of expertise, and throw that life away. It'll cause
the lives of others to be lost. And that makes
absolutely no sense to me. He is our secret weapon
(44:32):
to help young African Americans avoid gangs. We want to
save his life so he can save the lives of others.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I don't know, bru, that sounds good. It does doesn't
sound it sounds really great. I mean, your PR team
was on it, but.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
And that's no shit. I don't know if I'm picking
that up right, right, right right.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
But on the other hand, an anti gang advocate and
former police officer named Jared Lewis.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
He sounds conqueror of the caucus, said quote, there are
some people out there, Derek Lewis, was anype man, jareded oh, Jared, Okay,
that sounds better, okay. Quote.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
There are some people out there who speak of mister
Williams like he was a deity, like Jesus Christ. They
prop him up as if he was some sort of hero,
and he's really not. He's a murderer. He was Jared
Lewis was really not feeling Tooky like at all and
felt that if he was really wanting to change and
wanting to help, he should turn himself over to be
(45:32):
some kind of like informant instead of doing all this
performative stuff. He should have helped behind the scenes. And
because Tuki refused to, he feels like that shows he
still has loyalty to the.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Even Snooky.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Above touched.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, how a lot of people gonna touch him, But yeah,
what do you mean, he's gonna take more than one people?
The person taking him down the gang gonna have the
gang up on that boss, right, that's a big dude.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
But according to Tuki, he didn't want to do it,
not because he was like super loyal to the gang
life still, but he would be labeled a snitch and
it would ruin any credibility that he had with the
kids he was trying to influence because he knows what
it's like to be fifteen or fourteen, or thirteen or
twelve and feel like nobody can tell you anything. So
I feel like, you know, a lot of kids look
up to him, and if he did that, yeah, nobody
(46:26):
will listen to him at that level.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, I mean, it been more beneficial if he and
he probably did just come out renounce the gang life
to us, share his testimony, the good, the bad, the ugly,
what led him there, because he.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Did write a book about his experience and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So that's more beneficial than snitching on somebody.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I agree, because regardless if you think, if the government
thinks they're getting people off the street, there's always somebody else.
So if you can reach the masses and say hey,
just stop doing it in general, that's way more helpful
locking people up because you can still be a gag
in the gang locked up right right anyway. And I
(47:07):
really want to believe our guy. But he's so good
at twisting optics and playing he's incredibly smart. You cannot be.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
He's an author. He can write in this story he wanted,
because that's author. He's an author. He's a best selling author.
He can write in any story you want.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Nobel Peace Prize nominated us.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Jude.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
He's signing them out of the bench.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
You're dying.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You're dying, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But we also have to remember that this man was
an anti gang youth counselor the entire time that he
was murdering, murdering, robbing people. You know, unbelievable, believe you girl, drugs,
doing drugs, everything, But don't do this.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do as I say, but don't do as I do.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
As I did. You know, and doesn't the Bible say
that devil knows the word better than anyone. So it's
kind of like, you know's really good. He knows he's
hiding among the sheep.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
So I'm smart, though, but I can't understand why people
didn't want to believe he truly changed, and the courts
definitely didn't believe it. And when it came down to
Arnold Schwarzenegger, he did not believe it either, and mom
stopped and he was Tuki's last hope to avoid execution.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
So, oh, swasa, nigger, you put them the down you
put there saying I don't know. I don't like his name,
never liked it, never liked to say it, didn't like
I was spelled. Didn't touch me right. So here's two
handsome man and a cast. They did a great job. Yep,
(48:53):
he was he real, Yeah, they made sure he was dead, dad,
but he looked good. You do good.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, So he died by lethal injection in two thousand
and five. Who let them have a funeral, That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't know how he got in applying box. I
don't know who released his body prison No, I don't know,
and Geeddy Images took the picture. I just don't know.
I'm confused. I am confused.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize multiple times,
so maybe they were like, at least give the man
a funeral. They did, like, give the man at funeral.
I'm sure Jamie Fox and Snoop pulled some strings with.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Swatz the Nigga because they're co actors. Of course, Swatzer
Nigga said, Okay, I'm gonna kill this one, but y'all
can have the body.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
His name, just say Arnold.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Arnold said that two kis playing of rehabilitation contradicted his
claims that he was innocent of the crime because Tuki
was claiming that he was not guilty of the murder chargers.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
So the girl you should have started with that. That's
why I ain't believe him took straight up.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Live like, come on, now, take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Oh tuk So yeah, Tuki passed child, I mean he
ain't passed.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
He was murdered by the state. And Tuki got married
the year he was arrested, to a woman named Bonnie
So in nineteen eighty one, and somehow mom the couple
went on to have three children. I'm not how it
was written as they went on to have I don't
know if they had two before or three before, whatever,
but I did read that one of them was Stanley
Williams the fourth aka Little Tuki, and he unfortunately ended
(50:43):
up following in his father's footsteps and was an active
Crip member at a young age. And then he eventually
was sentenced to sixteen years in prison for second degree.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Murder break the generation though curse, But that was a legacy,
see that he probably it was drilling him to take over.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
It's possible. You see what your father's done, you know,
you know, he was probably raised in it, in it
a little bit depending on how old these kids were.
Maybe he just married the woman in nineteen eighty one,
but they were together before, you know, so who knows,
But he did have children before he had to get
locked up. And he got locked up super young, like
(51:24):
nineteen eighty one. He wasn't even thirty yet.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Maybe it was having conjucal visits since she was pregnant.
I mean, six years of confinement, in clinement, you're right,
you're right. Who knows? I don't, wow, But yeah, so
that's our case. I was gonna ask one women that
y'all were the woman that there wasn't a woman involved.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I mean, there were two women that actually were murdered
in this case, which is terrible, you know what I'm saying.
So rest in peace to the Yang family and rest
in peace to Albert as well. Yeah, but I was
It's a little bit refreshing. I'm not gonna lie that
we talked so much about men men men, Yeah, without
them physically hurting women.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
This is something I know.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I feel like there's like some loose ends. I would
love to know more about his life, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
If he committed more murders.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I didn't see anything about Raymond committing murders, which is interesting.
I didn't look too much enter Rayment anyway. But he
was about the hands, you know, Raymond was Yeah, he
had a cold.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
So I'm more interested in who put him in this
pretty white cast fit and dressed him up so beautifully,
and I bet hundreds of people came to the funeral role,
but he just looks so peaceful.
Speaker 9 (52:51):
You have to deal with the consequences of the things
that you did, and unfortunately the death penalty was the
consequence that he was given.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
So well, it's sad, but she was back in the
Bible day before Jesus came for grace came, the Bible
said a life of life, so he got what he got.
You read with your soul. But anyway, oh you hey,
do you your story? Lils man that that's that's pretty
(53:19):
cool and not cool at the same time.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Right, Like Duke is definitely a legend to a lot
of people. People still talk about him. You know, he
played a big part in where a lot of people
are today and what they find important, which is like
their community, their their.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Culture, their crips. He should have just been a preacher,
He's yeah, he would have had multi campus sites and
everything because he knows how to grow a crowd. I
tell you that much that he definitely was a social butterfly.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
And he comes off as smart. I would have listened to.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Some smart I need to see those books.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, I'll post a couple of pictures of those books
as well.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Very nice story, Kayla. Thanks mom. Yeah, it was a case.
It was a case. It was a case.
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Speaker 1 (03:47):
Today's case is about a man that was instrumental in
creating one of the most famous street gags, not just
in California but in the entire US.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
So join us as we discuss.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Stanley Williams, founder of the Crips.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Oh Mandino with the Crips. Who the Crips are? Yeah
Blue So.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Stanley Williams aka Sukik he was known as Suki, was
born on December twenty ninth, nineteen fifty three.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Way much older than me. Yes, but the Crips, like
the actual Okay is around joy age a little older.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
But he was born in Nworlece.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Crazy coincidence. Christ is actually a nuance right now. She
is like Christmas as we record this. We love her.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I miss having her on the show. I miss having
her and you on the show because she is a mess.
We got to coordinate anyway. Stanley was actually born to
Stanley Williams Junior, so he was a third Okay and
it sucks that he was named after his father, who
ended up abandoning him anyway, and his mother not too
(04:56):
long after he was born. His mother was only seventeen
when she had him, so Stanley Junior running out on
her was extra crappy. Well, he was by only seventeen two, mom,
he was probably thirty's it's nineteen?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
When is this nineteen fifty three? It was?
Speaker 1 (05:14):
I'm almost sure it was a huge gross age gap,
probably was either way. In nineteen fifty nine, Stanley the
third and his mother moved all the way from New
Orleans to Los Angeles. Oh, south Central too, beek that
shout out to South Central Baddies Season six sounds streaming, okay,
and now that's TV.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You don't watch it watching.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
And of course Stanley's mother had to be out of
the house working a lot. She was doing it basically
on her own, which left little Stanley at home by himself,
trying to find something to do.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Oh boy, and.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
That stuff included big bad and fighting a lot. Oh Stanley, hmm,
TOOKI turned out to be the big one, not the
little one.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Was not a little one.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, And he was making a name for himself around
the neighborhood.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
A really businessman. Okay.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
He was talking with the pants. He was coming straight
from the shoulder. Okay, he wasn't, you know, shooting people?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Okay, then he was. He was throwing them, all right.
So they used to do correct how they used to
do the old school kind.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
Yep, that's where we're at over time. So he was
like really out there, really in the streets, so much
so that he stopped going to school altogether and instead
chose to commit his life fully to committing crimes.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Oh I just say, way, he's getting money or something
because a fighting one paying the bills. It's gonna get
to that, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
It always develops into that, okay, all right, And as
he keeps going out in the streets fighting, he's adding
more credibility to who he is, his reputation, all of
that is developing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Why you gotta fight, you fight? Well, you a little
bitty guy that you had to prove yourself. What I
don't know about a little bitty Maybe he was short
in stature, but I'm about to show you picture of
him right now, and you're gonna be like, let me
see the old too. Maybe that's why people weren't messing
with him. Oh oh, oh, don't do don't left the bridge.
(07:28):
They say he was.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't know what they said.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
He wasn't lifting weights, he was lifting bridges.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Now they do claim that he said he got all
this muscle from like drinking chocolate milk. I swear it
was in the article chocolate milk and something else. It
must have been protein, a lot of it, perfect afro.
I'm not mad, huh, I'm not mad at it.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I mean he popauzell Man without the spanich. Yes, I
mean he's the honk that got stuck in the hog body.
Look at his wrist, He's just he's solid. What the
his muscles got muscles yet ain't tight tail jeans and
the belt I all wanted tight jas in the belt too.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, my shirt tug to.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
I think he looked good.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He looks good.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
God, I wouldn't want to be his woman. He'll hurt you.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
When he ain't trying to through the flow animattress.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Well, that ain't were I was going. I was just
talking about my hug. Jez straight and broken back, go
ahead and eventually TOOKI met.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
His missing piece, Raymond Lee Washington.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Oh, Raymond was the trouble man. You can tell my
that the eyebrows and that lip.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
M he was he was seasoned for sure in the
criminal game, so they were close in age, but he
was already out there. I read that before these two
even met, they both had a crew or like gang
of you know guys that they hung out with on
their own and when they were introduced to each other
through mutual contact and realized they had like similar goals
(09:12):
about expansion and power. Yes, they were going to merge
their companies.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Okay, we can't get along the gather, I guess so
act they were like, I don't know what they were
thinking behind it, We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I even read that the original gang Raymond created before
meeting Tuki was called the Baby Avenues Gang, and then
they became the Avenue Cribs, and then they became the
Crips when they joined who I know, right, I think
it's so cool, like the difference in names and stuff, Like, obviously,
(09:50):
we don't glorify this type of I'll say camaraderie or
criminal enterprise, because at the end of the day, that's
what it ends up being. But it's cool to see
people come together.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, and purpose, but purpose and plans under the same
business plan, business plan, you know it wasn't legit, but
I mean, it wasn't legal. Little legit, but it wasn't legal.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
It's just cool that both of them weren't in school,
but they were smart in different ways, and you know,
it's nice to see and a handsome man. You know,
this is the seventies, why not.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So they got together and initially it was kind of
like a neighborhood watch type of thing.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
They created it to.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Protect their families and homes and just overall community. Okay,
but you can't forget the reputations of both Tuki and
Raymond that have already been created. Like people in the
area know how they get down and smaller gang leaders
knew too. So instead of going to war against Tuki
and Raymond, they chose to become subsets of the Crips. Okay,
(11:00):
so they started swallowing, you know, and absorbing other organizations.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Two Little Chocolate Negroes, two little Little fifteen that little book.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Well they were fifteen when they started this. Yeah, by
nineteen sixty nine, so that means they're seventeen.
Speaker 8 (11:21):
What.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Yeah, they were an infamous like gang. Now it was
the Crips what started by some teenagers led by some
teenagers and the gang just kept getting bigger and bigger.
By nineteen seventy eight, it had a mass over twenty
thousand members spread across forty five separate crip gangs in
Los Angeles County alone. What I mean, it's crazy, twenty thousands.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
What what y'all done?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
They have cell phones, so it was just what a
mouth and all in community?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The yellow Tea was real. Yeah, I mean, did y'all
watch the Black Panthers? What was y'all doing?
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's so crazy that you mentioned that because a lot
of the guys at the time they were I don't
want to say aimless, but they were spending a lot
of time in the clubs. You know, they were seeing
the Black Panthers. They were inspired by the Black Panthers,
and they didn't really have the energy or the place
to put it. Because some people were like, dope, Black Panthers,
this is for you, and like I support it, but
I don't think it's something that I could be a
part of. And then they see the crips and they're like, oh,
(12:29):
that's more my speed. Wow.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Wonder what was the difference. There was a different criminals.
They weren't no, they still correct.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
They had more of I don't want to say a
moral compass, but they had stricter rules than the cryps.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
For sure, and they had straight purpose.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Straight purpose about advancing black people, whereas crips they weren't
really concerned with that necessarily, no more about advancing themselves.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I would say, okay, but what do I know?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Don't know by a get mad at me out there?
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I mean when I.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
Used to cript walk my mom did me and Snoop Dog.
Oh well, we're gonna mention him in this episode again.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
At first it presented as more of a like United
Front by the people for the people type of thing.
That wasn't the case for long, because the group's focus
shifted from protecting their neighborhoods from other gangs to fighting
over territory and access points in the area. Is because
they were focused now on profit. What profits were they doing?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Drugs? Selling drugs?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Great question? Yes, they were specifically weed, meth and PCP.
Girl myth was back then too, girl people, you people
was cooking meth in the cave wearing no shoes told
you that? No, I'm just I'm sure, I'm sure. The
(13:54):
second thing they figured out how to make after fire
was some drugs.
Speaker 6 (13:58):
Coca Cola for the big, for the small, the short
and the tall, peacemakers, risk takers for the optimists, pessimists,
for long distance love for introverts and extroverts, the thinkers
and the doers for old friends, and new Coca cola
(14:23):
for everyone. Pick up some Coca cola at a store
near you.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
The drugs was flowing, oh wow.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
And yes, it led to a lot more money coming in,
of course, but it also led to more beef between
crib subsets. So like people wanted to make more money
if you weren't in a specific crib subset. But when
it came to money, it's still a competition, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
So what happened They divide it, they divide it.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
They didn't really divide. I mean, there was always strife.
There's always going to be strife amongst family, you know
what I'm saying. And I just think there was different
things that they had to do to try it's snuffing out.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
We're gonna get to okay, girl.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Because despite of all the in fighting or whatever, it
didn't stop the crypts expansion into areas outside of La
So by nineteen ninety nine, the crips had expanded into
the Midwest all the way to the East coast, and
that was adding about thirty thousand members to their ranks.
So right now nineteen nine nine, they are a fifty
thousand nationwide.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
They have grown because we thought that the world was
in it nineteen ninety nine, you really did? Yeah, yeah, Princeville,
what what what nineteen ninety nine. Don't you want to go? No? Yeah,
they were he gonna go. Wait, everybody thought to thought
we wouldn't make it to do them. Okay, yeah, were
(15:48):
you scared? Yeah? Okay, I don't believe nothing. Negroes about
saying it live about everything. Okay.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
But just because Stanley AKA two if y'all forgot that's it, hey,
toub Big Tupe, the big one, not the little one
for show and Raymond formed the crips, doesn't mean that
they were in control of what each set leader decided
to do with like each individual crip gang. Okay, because
spoiler alert, both Tuki and Raymond had their own stuff
(16:18):
that they were dealing with, their own legal battles. They
was against each other, No, they were, they were in
the thick of it. I'll just say that because we're
gonna get to it.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Okay, So, like I just mentioned, I don't like how
Raymond looking at me. Crey ca oh, I've changed it,
change it back to two. I'll show you chocolate.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Because these are some of like some of the Crip
members who told.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Them to start doing their hands like that. They all
black people. I'm gonna tell y'all this. I tell y'all
something else. We are the most creave of and theved of.
I mean, just come on with even the slang y'all
use every different year.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Just come up.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I heard a slang today that I didn't know what
she was talking about. I had to use contact clues.
Context clues, yeah, context clue.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
She said, when she be cracking, okay, oh, she don't
be thinking about no bonnet on her head, And yeah,
she gonna crack with the bonnet on her head because
all the cracking she's doing, she needs a body on
her head because she don't want her.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Hair messed up. Oh my lord.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So I come to the conclusion that when she's cracking,
she's doing the do she's smacking. Yeah, she's cracking, smack
and smashing with from smashing to.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Oh yes, just so many different words, y'all. So I'm
just saying, talk to her black, he'll shut up. I
do like her. She's funniest. I don't know what, but
but us black people are so creative. That's why the
eight People hated so much. They just ain't got that
and be jealousy. Why can we come up with it first?
(18:03):
Why they always have to be the original? Because we are? Mom, please, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Just saying it. I stand by everything you say. I'm running, okay, Okay,
that's my rent. Yeah, okay, and they'll be cracking.
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Speaker 1 (18:47):
So, like I just mentioned before, went on rent. There
are sets that would beef with each other, sets that
only beef with other gangs like the Bloods.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
But regardless of what the organization.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Has been through in the last fifty plus years, it
all started with two little niggas from La Nigros, one
from South Central, one from the East Side, and it's
all still alive and well today, Wow crime, And I
would say, I know niggas in jail. Well, Le'm gonna
tell y'all this.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
I'm gonna celebrate the the the mine behind it, the genius, innovation,
the innovation behind it. But that's all I'm celebrating. We'll
leave it right there, right there, And that's my opinion,
and I'm sticking with it. Per Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Now let's get to the meat and potatoes of this episode.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
I'm already full.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm not gonna bring you back on somebody's don't steal that.
This episode is about two ki and yeah, he started
his criminal career at a very young age, like what
was he doing?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
What was going on?
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Even as the Cryp's organization continued to grow, Tuki remained
one of the strongest CRYPT leaders in South central Ah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yeah, as long as he kept that for zeek.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
So this is Raymond. Raymond was strong too, you know,
he was important, he was essential. But Raymond ended up
going to prison in nineteen seventy four.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
That's when I was born. Raymond, what what you're doing fast?
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Uff? And while Raymond was locked up, Tuki had to
focus on expanding the organization outside of the prison walls.
While I'm sure Raymond was focused on like expanding inside.
You could make a lot of money businessmen, business men
through and through recruit people while they're in there, when
they come out, they're and you know, loyalty. But when
(20:47):
twenty five year old Raymond was freed in nineteen seventy
nine and soon after murdered TOOKI felt an enormous responsibility
to increase the gang reputation and expand even more.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Okay, Raymond didn't last long.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
He didn't last long at all, mom. I mean, if
we're counting like when they started it, so let's just say.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Seventeen to twenty five. Still ain't it's not long.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
But they were living a fast life, very fast. Apparently
Raymond had started two gangs before he even met Tuki.
But Tuke would soon find himself in the same place
as Raymond was.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
What jail did both. Okay, there you go.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
A little about Raymond before we move on. Yeah, Raymond
was known to be against using any type of weapon
to harm your opposition and was a huge proponent of
coming from the shoulders hands. Oh yeah, but unfortunately the
people that killed them didn't feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
What they found the.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Weapon I don't know if I said this already. I
can't remember if I said it. But they couldn't control
everything that every faction was doing. So yeah, they were
selling drugs, but they started selling weapons and it is
gone and they started using weapons exactly.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
But let me ask you, this was another sector of
the crypt one of those that took him out, or
a rivalry gang. We'll get to it, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
On August ninth, nineteen seventy nine, just days before his
twenty sixth birthday, mind their fifth birthday, Raymond was hanging
out at the corner of E. Sixty fourth Street in
South San Pedro Street in LA when a car drove up.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
To him in a drive.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Whoever was in the car called Raymond over, and when
he approached it, someone inside started shooting at him.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
He was hit multiple times and rushed to the hospital,
where he later died during emergency surgery. Oh yeah, I
don't wish death on them, like you know, they did
create something that ends up taking a lot of people's lives.
But I don't rejoice in.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
This, No, no, no, you never rejoiced in somebody that
I do. Sometimes, Yeah, you shouldn't. But but they were cowards, yes,
they couldn't deal with the hands. They were lethal, so
they had to take the quick way out to get
rid of the competition. And that's what they do today.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
That's what is running rampant today.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Nobody fight fair anymore. They just go straight to the
lethal stuff. It's really soop.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
In spite of him not being alone outside when he
was approached that night, his murder has remained unsolved.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
What nobody saw nothing.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
They saw something, all right, They just ain't saying nothing. So,
you know, rest in peace to Raymond, right like, depending
on how you feel, I feel okay to say it. Well, yeah,
I'm not entirely sure.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
We all know his soul and his relationship with God
because he was all tripping on the streets.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Christen told me I have to stop sending people to help.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, okay, you don't have no half the help nobody
had him stopping.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Okay, So but the the what moving on.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
God judge the heart and not the actions all the time.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
So that's the worker. His heart was where the money was.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah okay, Well but okay, he could repent every night regardless.
He has family and that's right.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I feel for them. Now before we get to the murder,
Tuki was convicted of committing I do want to make
it clear that Tuki wasn't just the co founder of
a widely known violent criminal organization. No, he was also
an avid bodybuilder, as you should see.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh wait, that's Raymond, Poor Raymond. Raymond looked familiar. That's doo.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
That's two girl took the man. Y'all not gonna patreon
talk the man into the come of redemption. I'm not
playing with you.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
I'm not I did.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
I'm mad as shit.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Just some single baby boy from New Orleans, dang to
to that vision. Something was going he was gonna be
somebody was He was gonna go somewhere. Uh huh. So
you wake up and paid attention. Woke up and paid
she woke up sooner.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Okay, yeah, so I have a bodybuilder, big body too.
I radther that Tuki had actually been shot before and
temporarily lost usage of his legs, so he started putting
himself through like a workout regimen to help him regain
use of his legs. I'm not sure if that's like
what helped him do it, like what made him do it,
(25:43):
but I'm sure it helped, you know, And he was
working out before then, so it wasn't just like him
being shot. But either way, that's a huge.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Man bounced off his leg. But you know most body
building is big up top and let the bust leg.
But I bet you they shot one of them guns.
That thing was gonna ricochet shot.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
When they said he couldn't use his legs, I'm assuming
his back or something.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
You know, well, he was paralyzed if he couldn't use
his legs and drove me here cracking up. The man
was girl like us. You need to just say that.
And someone couldn't use his leg I know what paralyzed
me because I had a visual come on, oh.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
Lord, y'all lord, okay. He was also a youth counselor
what do nick Incompton? But not just any youth counselor mom,
oh no, he was an anti gang youth counselor.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Wait a minute, yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it is a hypocrisy or just just wisdom too,
because I'm feeling.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
You, is it creative aversion of the authorities? You had
enough members already?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
What maybe he was recruiting secretly.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't know, I genuinely don't know, but my mind
was blown when I saw that, and then I'm gonna
blow your mind again right now.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Yeah, because I'm speechless, and that you just don't happen.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
He even became a Nobel Peace Prize nominee. What yet
the town because of children's books that he wrote, You
my man, You the man, Touki, you the man. And
(27:36):
so we're gonna get.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
To all that. But of course, first the murder. Oh,
murderers to a murder. Wait a minute, his his resume
is long. Yes, he's a businessman. He creates fifty thousand
member gangs. He writes children books. You canceled. He's a murderer.
(27:58):
He's a a maulten murderer.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yes, I don't want to say serial killer, but he
is a murderer. He's killed multiple.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
People, and he got guns.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
He's a fixture in the community. I don't think he's
like a gun Well, no, I'm on his arms. Oh God,
about say he does use some gun.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Then we're about to get to it. Oh.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
So, something I hadn't mentioned about Tukia is that after
Raymond was murdered, it low key tore him up. He
went through a really bad downward spiral and he started
to abuse drugs. Now I'm not sure if he started
at that time or just started to use them more.
But one night in nineteen seventy nine, fifty one year
(28:43):
old Tuki was on some drugs when he and some
fellow crips orchestrated a robbery at a seven to eleven
in la and for a reason only the devil in
Tuki now, he decided to kill the store clerk named
Albert Owens. Albert was only twenty six years old.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Who is that? That's too that's too good, grandmama? What
what that shadow? I ain't doing something something you think
it's I think he has some booty and some boobs
on this picture.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
He's just he's top heavy, mom, Yeah, he's top heavy.
Oh he killed the man for no reason, nothing for that.
It was a soldier, Yeah, he had previously served in
the army, and from when I read, he was going
through a really rough breakup at the time, and I
was just trying to like get his life.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Back like a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Hell was he twenty six?
Speaker 2 (29:38):
He was a baby.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
He was around the same age I think as wait,
what years this nineteen seventy Yeah, the same age as too.
He was shot twice in the back at close range.
What a twelve gauge shotgun.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
He wanted to blow his inside out.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Holes huge holes in this person for no hold.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Why but seven eleven money?
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Seven eleven sixty three dollars? Mom?
Speaker 2 (30:04):
Is what Tuki? No way? I'm no way.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, rest in peace to Albert.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
But you didn't deserve that, sir, So thank you for
your service. Yeah, you did what.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
You lot working at seven eleven, and you never make
it home like it's unacceptable.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
Life is all the time. People do so cruel.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Later that same year, Tuki broke into a motel and
killed the owner, his wife, and their daughter. Okay too,
I'm not your free of them, mom. You don't be
killing families. And for a reason we don't even know.
I think he was like aiming to rob them, but
I didn't see anything about him getting away with money.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Make it makes sense to you already had the drug money,
you already had the business, You already had people slang
it for you.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Why I think he was crash now? He was just
doing stuff really ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
The victim's names were sixty five year old Yin e
Yang sixty two year old Si shak chin Yang. Sorry
if I didn't say that right, you guys, and forty
two year old Yu Chin Yang Lynn.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
So they were Asians.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yes, yu Chin was shot in the face and the
parents were shot in their torsos with the twelve gage shot.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
What was wrong? What you took?
Speaker 1 (31:25):
He's lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Nor hands that big that you gotta get that.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
Kind of guns, the biggest gun that you could that
causes so much damage, it doesn't even make any sense.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Somehow, miraculously the mother and daughter were still alive. Wouldn't
help arrived, so the woman that had been shot in
the face, she was still alive, but unfortunately they later
died at the hospital.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So sorry.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
They were all Taiwanese and their daughter actually recently joined
them in California when she was killed. So so such,
it's horrible, so sad that was un necessary to make
it to your sixties and be murdered. It's just like
Ron Rob Rob, that guy that did the Princess Bride
and his wife were found murdered in their home like
(32:10):
a couple of days ago. They said their sun didd
or whatever it's like to make it to your sixties,
late sixties, seventies and to be taken out by your
child or anyone is like, come on, man, just let him.
Let them go peacefully, soundly, the rest in peace of
that thing.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Somebody ever tried to rob me. I'm gonna say, one,
ain't got nothing, and then two, I know how to
keep a secret. You ain't. I ain't gonna turn in, mom.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
They're not gonna listen to you talk them out of
doing what they've already decided they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Well. I'm a bit like that baby that got kidnapped
and be singing every praise until God come in the
room and convict him.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Where did you get that from?
Speaker 2 (32:51):
That was a little black boy. The kidnappers kidnapped him
and he saying every praise to our God, every you know,
and he would not stop. And that that kidnapper got
so convicted. Let that baby go. Mom, I'm gonna I'm
gonna have to cover that.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
I'm gonna have to talk about that, even if it's
like a mini case or something, because that's incredible, amazing.
We can talk about positive outcomes of people committing crimes.
I really do so, rest in peace of that family.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yes, Wowuki, this is not a good look on you.
You do I won't say good no, no, he wasn't
doing good, but he was doing good. Yeah, I mean,
we don't know. It's a play on words. Yeah, because
he wrote children book. He didn't do that when he
did all this.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
All right, so this is the too we get.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
We may get another took later. Oh, okay, we're dealing
with this too. Oh, this too is a book.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
So I read that Tuki was fairly quickly arrested and
eventually convicted of multiple counts of murder. He was guilty
and sentenced to death by lethal injection in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Oh wow, Oh he had so much muscles. I wonder
gout that needed We even get.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
In there, mom, Yes, he's still penetrable.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Well, I wondered, did they wear the soap, I mean
the sponge.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
It's a lethal injection.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
No, no, sponge, don't. I'm on the green mole, y'all.
I know.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
I wish he got the chair. He's big, bar well, no,
I don't know. Okay, Now, of course, anybody that knows
and loves Tuk, he was going to do everything they
could to try to save his life. Yeah, he's huge.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I wonder if he was tall. He was like Andre
the giant big Look at who is that that's too
Oh he's dribbled down, got a lot of different faces
to you, A man of all kind of faces and
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Speaker 1 (35:58):
Of course, anybody that knows and loves Tuky was going
to do everything they could to try to save his life.
And two of those people, almost every single one of
you have heard of before. One of them. Mom already
mentioned Snoop Doggs. Snoop Doggy Dog is one of them.
He actually has a picture of him and took together
Snoop and that's Snoop.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And I ain't mad at them though, trying to save
his life, he did some wicked stuff. People could be redeemed.
He yeah, right, right right, I can understand. Yeah, so
Snoop Dogg.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And then also Jamie Fox, Jamie Yeah, I read that
Jamie Fox played him in something and did spoop up
on behalf?
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Did they swell them up? Yeah? I'm real serious as
a heart attack. I don't say it. I don't say
Jamie plays him. I don't say it. Cab, look, I
see the wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Mister t.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
Back of a dad.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Then I don't say Jamie here that they put in
Mama apartsthetic, so.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
The big Mama suit muscle Lord Jesus, why now I
need to look up Jamie Fox playing this man?
Speaker 8 (37:19):
Now?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I need to know because they didn't carest that, right,
I'm gonna tell you that right now. The couldn't sing. Hey,
I'm just trying to do the comparison. Are you calling
Jamie Cox? Yeah that I want to conversation with you.
But look at it, because why I played Wanda so good?
(37:44):
Don't you think Wanda was cock eye? Because he was cocky?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
No?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
Okay, okay, okay, even okay.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Sorry, even the na A CP spoke up and felt
that Tuki's life did not deserve to be taken by
the government. And I'm sure it didn't hurt like that. Tuki,
who had been in prison at least seventeen years at
this point, had come out and publicly denounced gang violence
and gang culture. So he did that like early early
(38:15):
in nineteen nineties while he was in prison, and when
he was asked about his biggest regret in life, he said, quote,
creating the crips.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
So well, we all can lie. Yeah, you can make
a month play anything, absolutely anything. Yeah, Because he was
handing his fingers crossed behind him. I lie, y'all, I'm lying.
I'm just trying to say my life.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Okay, I understand what they want to hear, yeah, but
he took it further because he also wrote multiple children's books,
like we talked about warning against gang culture. And in
two thousand and one he received his first Nobel Peace
Prize nomination. Wow, And according to what I read in
ABC News, he was nominated five times.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
That's the Dona Good Books.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Mom, five times total, and once for the Nobel Piece
for Literature. So I'm like, one of these.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Books, I love it too. I love that for you.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
And this was such a pivotal time, I think, in
that type of culture, and because being in the gang
was extremely popular in the early two thousands, especially with
the type of music and you know, all that type
of stuff. So I can see why, which is crazy
because he was nominated by a Swiss person. So I'm like,
somebody that was Swiss knew this man was in a
(39:34):
prison somewhere writing children's books. And he deserved the Nobel
Peace Prize not once, but five different times.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Well, let me tell you this, I mean, for the
name's sake, it was very noble of him to promote peace.
A think he then did so much warn damage.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
But you know, I feel like it's not the same obviously,
but it's like giving Trump the Nobel Peace Prize if
he decided to change his mind and become a better person,
which we know will never have.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
I can't give me Trump nothing but his finger. It's
middle Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump Trump. If you have
to stop a trunk, you ain't getting nothing with these hands.
And they're weak right now. But I'm yeah, they could
(40:26):
do some damage to him, but nobody else. Don't come
fight me.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
You can blow him away.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
So I can see how people really think that this
man has changed, you know, and turned over a new leaf.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
I mean, because for one, he's smart at heck, yes,
he's a chameleon. He is literally the jack of all trades.
So yeah, he can give that. He's a he's a
good actor, very good actor. But I don't believe you.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I don't know. Some people feel like it's just a
hoax because soon after getting to prison, Tuki was initiating
fights and the saults.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
And don't believe you took because he kept putting his
hands on people.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
He was put in solitary confinement for six years. He
does it, put him lost him.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
He was too big for that little cage. They put
them in for one and then six.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Sears turn folks in there, and Tuke was a solitary confinement.
And this is when he said he lost his mind.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
He loads his money, but this is when.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
He said he came to Jesus, he found God, he
asked for forgiveness, and he changed his whole life. Well,
I'm a he probably didn't find Jesu because that's the
only one that could fit in that cage with them
for six years. That's only one probatalking to well can
you please?
Speaker 1 (42:02):
But also yes, what Yeah, he wanted to turn over
a new leaf. Even before that happened, he created a
video like there was a video recorded of him speaking
and was played for over four hundred gang members in
San Quentin Prison, so the worst prison, yeah, in California,
(42:22):
And he was encouraging them to.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
Leave the lifestyle.
Speaker 1 (42:25):
And he did this like, yeah, it went deemingly on
his own volition.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
He wasn't speaking to a messages in it.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I wouldn't know, I didn't see, we didn't It wasn't
accessible to us. Okay, but people can't change the lord
does say absolutely, and his lawyers believed that he did
so much so that they were using all of this
good pr to try to get him off of death row.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
The lawd used to do anything though, so true.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
And he had some appeals to to file, which is understandable,
especially after a death penalty death sentence.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Who the president was and one then, oh, save his
life during that.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Time, because it's up to the governor, not the president.
Who is the governor at that time, Swatsiga was the government. Yes, Oh,
he was mad about two mouse was what he was jealous.
Speaker 8 (43:19):
Time.
Speaker 2 (43:20):
Well, he wasn't determinated again, he thought he was seem
like a guy's guy mom, get out of town, out
of town.
Speaker 1 (43:31):
It probably worked out in Newport Beach when he was
still out Yeah, before he got locked.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
Who knows.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
But either way, when it came to his clemency, one
of his attorneys said during a news conference, quote, this
is a life whose message was resonated with children, particularly
with the people of California. This is a man who
has not only redeemed himself, but he has sent his
message of redemption and nonviolence to the people of California
and all over the country.
Speaker 2 (43:58):
But they didn't see enough of fruit from that repentance
of gang member stopping. I guess well.
Speaker 1 (44:05):
They you can't force nobody to change.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
You just give him the message.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
The president and chief executive at the time of the
NAACP Bruce Gordon, said quote, we would make a huge
mistake to take such a valuable asset, such a brilliant
source of expertise, and throw that life away. It'll cause
the lives of others to be lost. And that makes
absolutely no sense to me. He is our secret weapon
(44:32):
to help young African Americans avoid gangs. We want to
save his life so he can save the lives of others.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
I don't know, bru, that sounds good. It does doesn't
sound it sounds really great. I mean, your PR team
was on it, but.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
And that's no shit. I don't know if I'm picking
that up right, right, right right.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
But on the other hand, an anti gang advocate and
former police officer named Jared Lewis.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
He sounds conqueror of the caucus, said quote, there are
some people out there, Derek Lewis, was anype man, jareded oh, Jared, Okay,
that sounds better, okay. Quote.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
There are some people out there who speak of mister
Williams like he was a deity, like Jesus Christ. They
prop him up as if he was some sort of hero,
and he's really not. He's a murderer. He was Jared
Lewis was really not feeling Tooky like at all and
felt that if he was really wanting to change and
wanting to help, he should turn himself over to be
(45:32):
some kind of like informant instead of doing all this
performative stuff. He should have helped behind the scenes. And
because Tuki refused to, he feels like that shows he
still has loyalty to the.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
Even Snooky.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Above touched.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, how a lot of people gonna touch him, But yeah,
what do you mean, he's gonna take more than one people?
The person taking him down the gang gonna have the
gang up on that boss, right, that's a big dude.
Speaker 1 (46:04):
But according to Tuki, he didn't want to do it,
not because he was like super loyal to the gang
life still, but he would be labeled a snitch and
it would ruin any credibility that he had with the
kids he was trying to influence because he knows what
it's like to be fifteen or fourteen, or thirteen or
twelve and feel like nobody can tell you anything. So
I feel like, you know, a lot of kids look
up to him, and if he did that, yeah, nobody
(46:26):
will listen to him at that level.
Speaker 2 (46:29):
Yeah, I mean, it been more beneficial if he and
he probably did just come out renounce the gang life
to us, share his testimony, the good, the bad, the ugly,
what led him there, because he.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
Did write a book about his experience and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
So that's more beneficial than snitching on somebody.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
I agree, because regardless if you think, if the government
thinks they're getting people off the street, there's always somebody else.
So if you can reach the masses and say hey,
just stop doing it in general, that's way more helpful
locking people up because you can still be a gag
in the gang locked up right right anyway. And I
(47:07):
really want to believe our guy. But he's so good
at twisting optics and playing he's incredibly smart. You cannot be.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
He's an author. He can write in this story he wanted,
because that's author. He's an author. He's a best selling author.
He can write in any story you want.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Nobel Peace Prize nominated us.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Jude.
Speaker 1 (47:30):
He's signing them out of the bench.
Speaker 8 (47:33):
You're dying.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
You're dying, dude.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
But we also have to remember that this man was
an anti gang youth counselor the entire time that he
was murdering, murdering, robbing people. You know, unbelievable, believe you girl, drugs,
doing drugs, everything, But don't do this.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Do as I say, but don't do as I do.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
As I did. You know, and doesn't the Bible say
that devil knows the word better than anyone. So it's
kind of like, you know's really good. He knows he's
hiding among the sheep.
Speaker 2 (48:08):
You know.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
So I'm smart, though, but I can't understand why people
didn't want to believe he truly changed, and the courts
definitely didn't believe it. And when it came down to
Arnold Schwarzenegger, he did not believe it either, and mom
stopped and he was Tuki's last hope to avoid execution.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
So, oh, swasa, nigger, you put them the down you
put there saying I don't know. I don't like his name,
never liked it, never liked to say it, didn't like
I was spelled. Didn't touch me right. So here's two
handsome man and a cast. They did a great job. Yep,
(48:53):
he was he real, Yeah, they made sure he was dead, dad,
but he looked good. You do good.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
Yeah, So he died by lethal injection in two thousand
and five. Who let them have a funeral, That's what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
I don't know how he got in applying box. I
don't know who released his body prison No, I don't know,
and Geeddy Images took the picture. I just don't know.
I'm confused. I am confused.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Well, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize multiple times,
so maybe they were like, at least give the man
a funeral. They did, like, give the man at funeral.
I'm sure Jamie Fox and Snoop pulled some strings with.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Swatz the Nigga because they're co actors. Of course, Swatzer
Nigga said, Okay, I'm gonna kill this one, but y'all
can have the body.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
His name, just say Arnold.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Arnold said that two kis playing of rehabilitation contradicted his
claims that he was innocent of the crime because Tuki
was claiming that he was not guilty of the murder chargers.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
So the girl you should have started with that. That's
why I ain't believe him took straight up.
Speaker 1 (50:12):
Live like, come on, now, take responsibility.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Oh tuk So yeah, Tuki passed child, I mean he
ain't passed.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
He was murdered by the state. And Tuki got married
the year he was arrested, to a woman named Bonnie
So in nineteen eighty one, and somehow mom the couple
went on to have three children. I'm not how it
was written as they went on to have I don't
know if they had two before or three before, whatever,
but I did read that one of them was Stanley
Williams the fourth aka Little Tuki, and he unfortunately ended
(50:43):
up following in his father's footsteps and was an active
Crip member at a young age. And then he eventually
was sentenced to sixteen years in prison for second degree.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
Murder break the generation though curse, But that was a legacy,
see that he probably it was drilling him to take over.
Speaker 1 (51:04):
It's possible. You see what your father's done, you know,
you know, he was probably raised in it, in it
a little bit depending on how old these kids were.
Maybe he just married the woman in nineteen eighty one,
but they were together before, you know, so who knows,
But he did have children before he had to get
locked up. And he got locked up super young, like
(51:24):
nineteen eighty one. He wasn't even thirty yet.
Speaker 2 (51:27):
Maybe it was having conjucal visits since she was pregnant.
I mean, six years of confinement, in clinement, you're right,
you're right. Who knows? I don't, wow, But yeah, so
that's our case. I was gonna ask one women that
y'all were the woman that there wasn't a woman involved.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
I mean, there were two women that actually were murdered
in this case, which is terrible, you know what I'm saying.
So rest in peace to the Yang family and rest
in peace to Albert as well. Yeah, but I was
It's a little bit refreshing. I'm not gonna lie that
we talked so much about men men men, Yeah, without
them physically hurting women.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
This is something I know.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I feel like there's like some loose ends. I would
love to know more about his life, you know, and.
Speaker 2 (52:21):
If he committed more murders.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
I didn't see anything about Raymond committing murders, which is interesting.
I didn't look too much enter Rayment anyway. But he
was about the hands, you know, Raymond was Yeah, he
had a cold.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
So I'm more interested in who put him in this
pretty white cast fit and dressed him up so beautifully,
and I bet hundreds of people came to the funeral role,
but he just looks so peaceful.
Speaker 9 (52:51):
You have to deal with the consequences of the things
that you did, and unfortunately the death penalty was the
consequence that he was given.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
So well, it's sad, but she was back in the
Bible day before Jesus came for grace came, the Bible
said a life of life, so he got what he got.
You read with your soul. But anyway, oh you hey,
do you your story? Lils man that that's that's pretty
(53:19):
cool and not cool at the same time.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
Right, Like Duke is definitely a legend to a lot
of people. People still talk about him. You know, he
played a big part in where a lot of people
are today and what they find important, which is like
their community, their their.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
Culture, their crips. He should have just been a preacher,
He's yeah, he would have had multi campus sites and
everything because he knows how to grow a crowd. I
tell you that much that he definitely was a social butterfly.
Speaker 1 (53:54):
And he comes off as smart. I would have listened to.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
Some smart I need to see those books.
Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, I'll post a couple of pictures of those books
as well.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
Very nice story, Kayla. Thanks mom. Yeah, it was a case.
It was a case. It was a case.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
So thank you guys so much for listening to this
case in this episode. And if you enjoy the show
at all, please give us the five star rating on Spotify,
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Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, it really really helps the show grow. Yeah, and yeah,
as always before we go, be safe, protect your piece huh,
and protect your space. Yeah, so we don't have to
cover your case friend, period. Bye bye free See you
next week.
Speaker 9 (54:41):
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See you next time.
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