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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, everyone, that might have been too much. I'm Kayla
and I'm Kristen, and this is black true crime. You
know where you're at, It's where you're supposed to be,
and we are so happy to be here. We don't
have mom again, you know what. Let's just say, you know,
without saying too much, is going through a huge law
(01:00):
us and let's just send some prayers to her. We
love her so much and she should be back next week. Okay, y'all,
I'm moving out of state. I think I announced that
last episode. But yeah, the reason why we're not on
video right now for our patrons on Patreon is because
it's crazy in here. Okay, we're packing everything. I look crazy,
(01:20):
Christen looks great.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We've also taken a couple of shots.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think this case is a little looser, you know,
in the sense of like I was comfortable taking a
couple of shots before, but still lost, still sad. So
let's have some decor regardless, let's just get right into it.
And by get right into it, I mean I didn't
write an intro. So let's just get oh, get right
into who these people are? You see by the title.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know what we're doing. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ronald Keith Aldridge was born on September twenty seventh, nineteen
sixty in West Germany. Mister Aldridge, you weren't expecting that
were no Germany, and it's all raged.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
There's no d.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh all Ridge, all Ridge, all Ridge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He and his family were out there because his dad
was in the military and temporarily stationed there.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I believe Ronald was the oldest brother. And then two
years later, in nineteen sixty two, came James Vernon Allrich.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's her. That's her. That's a nice handsome chocolate boy.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Leasted me mon Currie Ptuti, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
By that time the family was already back in the
States and living in Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So he was born in Texas, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Cool. In nineteen sixty nine, the family put down roots
in Fort Worth, Texas, living at two four two five
and Glenn.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Tri day on our business.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Hey for a word, shout out to Texas, shout out
to the DFW. And it's a house that still stands,
but like you know, let's minor business.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
They obviously don't live there anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Ronald and James's parents would have another little boy together,
and they named him Stanley. I think, I think ultimately,
I don't know how many they had ultimately, but huh,
that's just where I left it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So the family on the surface was growing and the father.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Was gainfully employed.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Hello in the military, right, we love it. And they
were living in a single family home together where Ronald
and James shared a bedroom in that.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Okay, it's a little tight, a little tight with your brother.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Little bro hopefully wasn't hot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Back then.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think they like insulated and made rooms up there
and made it very cute.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Ronald, the oldest, was described as being a quiet and
shy person, while James was more outgoing and popular at school.
So like personality wise, they were clearly very different, very
different well being that they were brothers and spent so
much time together in that little that attict, let's not
say it's little.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Let's give them the benefield it doubt.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I saw a picture of the house.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It looked a little spacious. It was one floor, but
the attic you know, who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I mean I see it in their head.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It feels comfortable and wooded and you know, deck a
little kids, you know, a little It was a boys den, right,
and they spent so much time together. They ended up
having a few things in common.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They're best friends.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And by high school that was committing crimes. No, what's
your timitting crimes for?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And the house was like nice.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It seemed like I'm not saying they were they had
their dad.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I'm not saying that they were living like
a bel airstone, right it is, yeah, yeah, but they
had their.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Mom and their dad and the house. They were living
in a home. Maybe they struggled a bit, but he
had a job, his dad.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And then as far as like abuse or those types
of traumas inside the home, I didn't find any anything
about that, So I guess we'll never know. But on
the outside, like I said, looking in, they're doing okay. Yeah,
but they decides to document in some crimes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, kleptos clepto and also other things. That's why they're
on this show. Uh oh. In March of nineteen seventy six,
when Ronald was only fifteen years old, he robbed a
local department store and made off with like quite a
bit of things. He made off with some watches, some guns,
and some Amma at fifteen, that's the oldest. This is
(05:28):
around the time that Ronald started to carry a gun
to school with him every day.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Day around So you turn into a whole hood lom
and you know, at this time fifteen, he's raging, right, testosterone, hormone, puberty,
whatever the fuck it is gross, trying to become a
man boy, turning into a man.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Boy, turning into a man and walking around with a
weapon like that. I mean, he's feeling powerful.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And he looks like he's trying to like be that
hard or have that hard demeanor too, like making going
for himself.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, he was trying to.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Be top king or maybe he felt like he had
to defend himself.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I was thinking, is he sure?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is he a little goofy looking.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Here's a lot of an eggs, so I'm not sure
if he's sure, not entirely sure either, way at fifteen,
he was carrying a gun and was showing it off
to kids at school and even Bragg that he was
ready to shoot someone. O Lord Jesus a thug, and
not even a full month.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Later he did.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
No, Rodney Ronald, I knew as soon as just did that.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, it was too long.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
He was trying to figure out his Damn me, I
was close. I still feel closed right, No, for real,
because this is horrible, damnit Ronald. After an argument on
April twelfth, nineteen seventy six, Ronald ended up shooting and
killing Christian got serious quick fifteen year old Lorenzo Kneeland
(07:17):
while surrounded by other kids at the school, like, in
front of other people.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No, why did he shooting him? We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Lorenzo was shot in the chest and abdomen, and fortunately
he didn't survive all school groundside in the school, in
front of a boy's bathroom with other people surrounding him.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What was the beef?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Ronald also shot another kid named James Christian, but thankfully
James didn't die.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He survived.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Ronald escaped from the scene, but was later arrested by
a police when.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Questioned about the shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Ronald wasn't clear about the boaten, so investigators determined that
the argument started about either a girl or another disagreement about.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
A burglary or something. Okay, so he.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Has everybody sex and money, Christen?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
What talking about high schoolers?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's just like the top three I know, like top
three things a man's gonna fight over. It's true, a
woman shoot somebody over money, maybe some drugs, definitely drugs, sex, money, drugs.
I know their children actually like all of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But you have to be smart about it. Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Rest in peace, right, rest in peace. Little Rinzo fifty
years old. Chocol so looked charismatic.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
This is so.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
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Speaker 2 (09:48):
Fifteen year old Ronald received a psych evaluation while he
was in custody and was officially diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Oh, Ronald was on some mental illness type shit.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He was struggling.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh no, So it's good that he was officially evaluated
by professionals and now maybe he can get in TELP
in prison, because make no mistake.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
He's going to jail. You're going to jail. He killed
our home boilers. Are they charging him as an adult?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay, he was in charge as an adult. He pleaded
guilty to the murder and was sentenced to ten years
in prison. Okay, but he only served six So he
was released in nineteen eighty three. So now he's twenty three.
Uh huh out for the first time as an adult. Wow,
he got a job, Wow, a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Okay, dope, do we do? We are we liking this
from him? Do you think he can change so far.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, he's going in the right direction trying, but he
couldn't keep the job because he couldn't show up on time,
so he was fired. Simple shit, Ronald, sim shit. The basics.
In prison, your lights are on by what six am?
Like you can be team.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Keep the routeam.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It takes the You know, in prison you're forced to
do things. When you're not forced to do something, you're
probably not going to do it. But especially if you
don't have the.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Discipline, right, maybe that means that like in prison, like
boys just don't grow up until they have.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
To unless you right, So they have to go to jail.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Maybe they get locked up so they can finally learn
to grow up, to be put on.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The schedule, to have actually seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
For people are model citizens in prison, but then they
get out and just at their own free will, they
don't know how to.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They have no self discipline all.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And like I was about to literally say, once you
have no job, you're aimless you I mean moneyless. What
do these Hawaiians do? They start stealing it from people. Yeah,
and that's what Ronald and his bestie brother James started
doing all around for word, So Ronald got out and
(12:02):
now him and James are in these streets stealing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Correct, James, where were you when Ronald got locked up?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
This is James.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's not looking good.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's James. That's James his brother. Yeah, show this.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's not great.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And James is the one that was like charismatic and like,
yeah he was school.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Looks like he's been on somethings.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like he ain't sleep, slept in three days, four days,
he does.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Some of the robberies that they committed together were in
tandem with another set of brothers, nineteen year old Clarence
Jarman An eighteen year old Milton Ray Johnman Okay. On
January fourteenth, nineteen eighty five, Ronald took a twenty two
caliber pistol to a Crusty's Pizza in Fort Worth to
Robin and he actually used to work there. Oh, and
(12:55):
of course he couldn't just go in and take the money. No,
he had to kill somebody.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Why did he have to kill someone? Yeah, he's just
got out of jail.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, it's just scratched, sister. It's been a long time
since it took a life, right, he just jumpy.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
He frogged you with it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I feel like he ain't got no real coots about him. Hey,
he is a mental illness. So he's a little nutty too.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's already not working with the full full bag.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
James look a little nutty too, Christen, he looked.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Boy, he's looking at me right now. No shade, christ
No soul, yeah, yeah, no soul.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like mega mega mega. Something has gone wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, a little unnerving.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
A little unnerving.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I've had a couple of drinks, but you know, still.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Just giving a real jumpy up in here. So he's terrible.
Who are we talking about, James? And then we return
with Ronald.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh yeah, and they're up in Crusty's Pizza and nineteen
year old Buddy Joe Webster Junior was there that night,
working Buddy Joe Webster. He had three names, but Buddy Joe,
Buddy Joe, well, Buddy Joe was up in there.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
He was working Buddy Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Christen, keep serious.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That is so sad.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
This is really sad. Buddy Joe's up in there and
he got shot and killed by Ronald.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That like, Ronald, so you just own one. So you
just a Waiian out here. You just got ten years
in the pan sirt six came out and was like, yeah, Nikka,
I'm still on That's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm still on that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then now I'm gonna drag my brother into it,
right because.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
James was out there the whole time, or was he.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Going in and out too of jail or great question.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
He didn't have any criminal record, he hadn't been in
prison ever since, or any trouble like that ever since
homeboy was locked up.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Way to be a big brother.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Big brother, Ronald, you failed, you.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Fail, You have failed us, You have failed me out
of him, you have failed me.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And what makes it even worse is that Ronald used
to work under Buddy Joe, Like Buddy.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Joe used to be his manager, his boss.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, that's not even why he didn't have any like
necessarily issue with him. And according to Ronald's own claims,
after he killed Buddy Joe, he didn't think twice about it.
He actually just went home and fell asleep.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And you know that's how you know there's something wrong
with him.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's what I was about.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
You don't even recognize or feel a way that you
know this person, that you had a similar relationship with
this person. You just shot him like he was nobody
on the side of the street and went home and
went to sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That's pretty hardcore. That's pretty something something that.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Crap I was about to say according to research, right,
because just because he has schizophrenia, you know, you can
sit here and assume he's automatically unempathetic or unaware of
what he can do to people in sense of like
killing someone you know and being unremorseful about that. But
I looked it up and it's technically inaccurate to assume
(16:06):
the condition causes people to have a lack of remorse
when killing. Wow, Like, it doesn't automatically mean that. So
there has to be something else coupled with the paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like psychopath psychopathy.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yes, like being a psychopath or or or honestly narcissists,
because narcissists lack empathy as well. That is deep you
can't like, don't just mental illness is often a concoction,
like a cocktail, a.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So immediately I'm thinking, Okay, he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia,
but I think he should have been evaluated a little
bit more, been a little been in a little bit
more care to determine what else he was dealing with,
because it was very clear.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He was dealing with something else to it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, So rest in peace to Buddy Joe.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Rest in peace, Buddy Joe Webster.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
On February third, nineteen eighty five, both Ronald and James
drove to a convenience store in Fort Worth where.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
James used to work.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So now they're just going to places they're con don't
care about.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
What kind of places that they know your face, they
know who you are. That means you had no intention
on trying to get away.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean, you just didn't care.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I think they had the intention of giving it getting away.
I just think they had the intention of also killing
people so they couldn't really be able to identify them. Wow.
Since James knew where the safe was kept and the
combination to it, the plan was just to let James
go inside while Ronald drove around the corner and waited
for him. According to court documents, the store was closed,
(17:45):
but twenty one year old Brian clintonon no clon his
last name is Clinton, was still inside closing up for
the night, and when James walked up to the door,
Bryant recognized him.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, he used to work there.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
For God's sakes, And James was just like, hey.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I need some change. Can you let me in really quick? Okay?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Brian's like cool, No, Brian, don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
After that, James goes inside, he comes out, he walks
back to the car.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay, okay, I think he got.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Cold feet after seeing Brian and being like I kind
of know this guy, like I don't want to necessarily
rob him.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But Ronald wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jack in that's a mess.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
He was a new sense.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Ronald was like, yo, I see you pulling your punches.
I see that you're chickening out. Go back in there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Wow, So what a great big brother.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
James approaches the door again, and poor Brian opened the
doors for James a second time, and this time he
was met with a twenty five caliber gun in his face,
and James forced Brian to the back room and tied
his hands behind his back.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
With an electrical cord. So you already know where this
is going.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's going down here, Brian. No, he was just being
a good guy.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, you shouldn't have trusted him.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Then he went to empty the cash re shirt. He
heard commotion coming from the storeroom and returned to see
that Brian had moved from the spot.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He was in.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Damn, Brian, are you Kristen? I guess he was trying
to escape or something, and James responded by forcing Brian
to his knees and shooting him twice in the back
of his head. Oh my god, unbelievable. What did you
expect for him to just sit there? I mean, I
(19:36):
think so. I think he's like, if he still probably
would have shot him. He wasn't wear a mask, right,
he knows.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
To rob the store, thank you, and he's trying to
prove something to his brother too.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No Brian.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
James left the store, but for some reason wanted to
go back in to check if Brian was really dead,
Like I guess he's like, Oh, I shot him twice
on the head. I don't think I really did it,
and maybe there were signs, but whatever, you shot him twice.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'm alone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But there was a woman in the parking lot at
that time, so he decided not to go in. And
the woman that was in the parking lot was actually
his mother, who's.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Mother Brian's to James.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Brian's mother, and she was there to pick him up
after his shift. So she, you know, walked into the
store and she saw a change on the floor and
like left immediately to a restaurant to call the police.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
She didn't see her sign. No, thank god, she didn't
see him.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
When help arrived, they found Brian in the back storeroom.
He was still alive, still alive, but unfortunately he died
the next day at the hospital. Oh that hurts.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That hurts. His mom is walking in.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Because I think the Lord she didn't go an inch further.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Horror, she wouldn't have been able to take him.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Horrifying.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh my god, that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Though he's sitting there like his mom's right there as
he's dying in the back. He didn't even think twice.
He didn't think for one second he was in danger.
He felt like he knew James. I let him in
once I've worked with him. Why wouldn't I let him
in again? Exactly, That's what I'm saying, Like, when people
break your trust, it really feels like some betrayal.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Ass shit, like just just the worst of the worst.
That betrayal feels like it's the worst of the worst
type of pain.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And then someone dies. Get the fuck out of here.
All because they trusted you.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rest in peace, Brian, Rest in Peace, Brian, and Oh
my God, and Buddy Joe, Jesus and Lorenzo. Lorenzo, This
is no Boy.
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And the Brothers weren't done hardly. On March twenty fifth,
nineteen eighty five, Ronald James and the Jarmin Brothers robbed
a Waburger in Fort Worth at gunpoint.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Today is shit? Why you what burgers anyway?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't know. That's just some country shit, just some.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Just low vibration shit. Ronald brought a shotgun with him
and two of the other three had pistols on them. Milton,
which is one of the what's their last name then,
what did I say?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
One of their damn brothers.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
He had a gun and apparently he like jumped over
the counter and when he did it, like a goofball,
his gun fell out and like just discharged on its own. Okay,
but it didn't shute anybody, thankfully. But once they were inside,
the other employees they handed over the money to Milton,
and he got the money and he.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Just ran out of the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What so he's out of there, Kayla.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Milton left them all with the money.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, he didn't leave, he didn't go far. They
still had to flee the scene completely together, but he
he definitely left the restaurant. We just know that he
didn't fire any more shots after that inside the restaurant.
So with employees and customers in the restaurant at this time,
nineteen year old Carla McMillan otto was eating at a
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table with her friends when Ronald approached her. M he
threw a bag at her and said, fill it up.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Damn cool. I didn't say that, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He threw it at her and she didn't catch it
because obviously she's freaking out. Huh, shotgun in her face,
so it falls to the ground and she like throws
her hands up to like surrender, you know, and Ronald,
being the fucking like live wire that he is, just
shot her once in the chest with the shotgun, killing
her and she died instantly.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He didn't give her a chance, not an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
She's she's all killy, he's off one, he's he's here
to kill.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He's not well at all. He then forced her friend
Carrie Jacobs to pick up the bag. He put his
wallet inside and handed the bag to Ronald and then
he like backed up to the wall with his hands up, like,
oh my god, I just watched my friend get her
blown out. This is nuts, you know, doing the best
that they can here, and then the robbers just left.
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So they killed Carla literally for absolutely no reason and
just left.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And those are all young people, they're so young. Just
kills just having a job, you know, trying to be.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Really she's eating a bird with her friends, for God's sake. Wow,
what good they're they're trying. I would have been in
Kings and they're trying.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's so toxic.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
My God, Rest in peace to Carl.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
When are they gonna get him?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like, does the police know about anything?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So far?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
So we're gonna ge to it. Oh, actually right now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
All four of these brothers were quickly arrested after this
because one of the employees at the Waterburger recognized Ronald's
voice from when they used to work together. Oh yeah,
at the pizza restaurant where he killed Billy Joe. What sorry,
what Buddy Joe. So way, so they all worked together
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with Buddy Joe at the pizza place.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
He heard his freak Buddy Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, he killed him at that pizza joint, and he
recognized his free recognized he recognized Ronald's voice.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Wow nuts, wow wow. So did they get his ass?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They got his ass.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
He was in jail.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They were all in custody, all four of the brothers period.
So the Alrich brothers and the Jarmon brothers were all
indicted on capitol murder charges period of a few folks.
Of course, Ronald was taking his case to try and
his defense team initially tried to blame the Drammon brothers,
saying that they were the masterminds behind the Waterberg robbery
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and that he didn't mean to kill Carla, and really
it was no one's fault for accidentally firing his gun,
because when he heard that gun shot go off, he
got scared and that triggered his his finger.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
The gun, you wouldn't have fired.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It, for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So a lot of the arguments came down to how
much pressure it took to pull the trigger of a gun,
and if Ronald was truly just startled and accidentally pulled it.
It's a shotgun, Klo serious, Although there's every bit of
intention behind that shot. You don't shoot a shotgun unprepared
for the kickback.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
The ricochet alone of a shotgun a something you prepare for.
And they also put that weight in the trigger so
you know was about to be coming to you.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's not like.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Shooting that into a woman that you're standing right next
to in front of her friends. It's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I'm gonna give you startling or not, Like, what are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
You shouldn't have a business being there with that shotgun?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
What the fuck are you this is?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
This isn't even his first murder. No, so I'm you're
not startled by the sound of gunshots.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Boopy, We're not playing that game. Promise you that can't
believe they wasted the jury's time, of course trying to
expel that lie.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Of course they did.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Both the defense and prosecution presented their own ballistics experts.
But at the end of the day, if Ronald never
walked into that water burger with that shotgun, he would
have never been in the position to kill Carl that part.
So he was found guilty period of the capital murder charge.
And because of the previous murder conviction he had, plus
the evidence the prosecution presented showing that he was involved
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in multiple robberies, Ronald was sentenced to death. Girl wait,
girl gave him the chair.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
They gave him the chair, pulled the needle in this case.
I mean to be honest, though, Ronald is showing you
who he is and what he's willing to do every
time you give him a chance.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And even if there was room for habilitate rehabilitation for
him because he needed that. He didn't get it, not
in the formative years that he should have gotten it,
which was when he was in juvie or prison whatever,
and Kimmy was serving it for the first murder.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I wanna say, can we talk about that, like he
never received mental health?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like no health. No, we all knew that there was
some medication. Exactly how are you diagnosed and not treated?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And they have their custody. I'm confused by that. It's crazy.
I'm confused by that. Now it's James's turn.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But unlike Ronald, he didn't have a criminal record, and
although he was involved with and present at Carlo's murder,
he doesn't deserve the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay, but what about buddy Joe and what about Ben?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean, initially, right, you're charged with one thing. They're
charging them with what they did to Carla. But they're
kind of putting two and two together as time is
going on that, Hey, you're not new to this, you're.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
True to this, buddy boy. Yeah, even though he didn't
pull the trigger here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, James's defense team is saying, look, he's a good kid.
At least he was growing up and only faltered when
he started being negatively influenced by his older brother.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean they I mean, that's a good type of.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Case to Bill believable because he didn't have a record
before Ronald got out, correct or during Ronald getting out,
I mean, while Ronald was in prison, he didn't have
a record. Correct. A psychologist said that James was very
intelligent and competent and showed signs of being neither sociopathic
nor psychotic, and if kept away from Ronald's influence, would
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it be a threat to the rest of society?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Can we take that risk?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Ronald was the ringleader in my opinion that he was
the one who had the mental health break. He was
the one who wielded the gun and you're shooting all
the time, and he was the one who kind of
nudged James.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
To do the same.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's true, but we have to also think about it.
James is still a very young man at this point.
If he finds any other bad influence in the time
span that he'd have if he didn't get a serious
sentence thrown at him, Like, if we're being.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Honest, he could be influenced.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Probably, probably, But I know that was his brother.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But I about to say the number one person influence,
who's your sibling.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I would kill for mine, So I'm sure he would
kill for his, even though he knows the sibling is
fucked up.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But he's gonna go through a huge loss with Ronald
going to jail forever. Right, that's a huge separation. That's
not just the six years they spent apart period. So
who knows how desperate he would be to find a
replacement in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And if he finds a bad.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Replacement, period make it very easily, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Be repeat the same behavior. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, everybody's looking for a savior or maybe James's baby.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He's just trying to save someone, a brother to dad.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, you know, someone to just truly love you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Who knows and that can take you to dark places
with dark people exactly, Ronald, smh, you needed help and
you never got it.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
We didn't get the help you needed, that's for sure.
Close your eyes, exhale, feel your body, relax, and let
go of whatever you're carrying today.
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Speaker 2 (32:48):
And the determinations that were made about James were made
after one two hour session by that psychologist. So it's
like you can't really know that much about someone's psychology
and that small amount of time. But either way, the
prosecution presented evidence that James had been involved with seven
different armed robberies, including the one where he killed Brian Clinton.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So you know, we're.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Looking at you like like yards of what you're trying
to tell us, of who you were and your influence.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know, you had every opportunity.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Not to kill Brian, and you still chose me. But
you were out here in these streets. Yeah, regards of
what your brother was telling you to do, you still
pull the trigger on your own. You have to be
held accountable for that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh, I've faltered to pure pressure, so you know, give.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Me a break.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Be accountable, No thanks, no thanks. The prosecution made it
clear that Brian posed no threat to James other than
knowing him, and that he was probably killed so that
James wouldn't be identified.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
A thousand percent, And I feel like he was really
trying to prove something to Ronald.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Ronald told him, get your ass out this car, gole
back in there, and don't come back in here until
you kill something.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Don't make me tell you the game.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Ultimately, James was convicted of capital murder and sentenced to.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Death as well. Damn dead, They didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That was a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I feel like I get it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
James didn't have a rap before.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean, I feel like he earned that death sentence,
even if it wasn't for necessarily what happened to Carla
is definitely for what.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Happened to Brian. Yeah, but I just feel like that
was a lot. James also, was how old was he
a minor?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Was he older than that happened in nineteen eighty seven,
because ron was twenty three when he got out a minor. No,
he was two years younger than Homeboy.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Twenty one, so he's still damn you traded your life
for Brian's life straight like that, or traded Brian's life
for yours.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Both, I mean both y'all gone.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I mean yeah, you know the kind of ones you
can't trade shit. You took a life and now your
life's about to be.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Taken under no chance like full stop karma, chance for more.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Here you go.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Wow, you know that just shows you it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So I sentenced.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
When asked if he had anything to say, James turned
to Brian's family and said, quote, the only thing on
my mind at the time wasn't what the jury had decided,
what they were going to do to me, or what
my future might hold, none of that. It was that
I wanted to say I was sorry to Brian's mom.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh well, yeah, like little remorse there, a little remorse
there because he knew what he did was day wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Who is that James? That's James. He knew what he
did was day wrong. He got led astray.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I really don't think he should have received the death sentence.
I feel like he should have received.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like thirty forty years. But like I feel like maybe
James had some redemption in him. They gave it to
fucking Ronald when he killed a freaking person.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So like, what did you give it to seventeen when
ten years? Yeah, but like you don't ever know. I'm
just saying I feel like that was a little harsh
for that. But he got what he got because he
did what he did. Yeah. Well, I like when we
disagree because I definitely can understand, especially when we get
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to a little bit further in the case. Oh, we're
going to get to that because when deciding who goes
on death row, a couple of questions have to be asked,
and in certain situations more questions are asked, but in
this situation only two were, so if you kind of
look at that, you could understand, okay, what the jury
was looking at. The dram and brothers were both indicted
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for capital murder, but the charges were surprisingly lowered to
aggravated robbery, and both brothers were found guilty, with Clarence
receiving a twenty year sentence and Milton receiving a thirty
year sentence. Okay, they served their time and both were
released from prison. I think someone was on probation, but
I didn't really not too important to the rest of opication. Yeah,
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rested episode, Yeah, so good on them. They saved their time.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Don't do it again twenty thirty years, Like that's a statement.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Don't do that shit again.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Learn something, learn from this. Of course, Ronald's death sentence
was appealed, and they reiterated that the gunshot that went
off before his genuinely startled him and that's why he
shot Carla. But listened to this and his initial confession,
Ronald confessed to shooting Carla. He said that the first shot,
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meaning the shot that went through the glass door of
the restaurant, was what startled him into shooting Carla. Okay,
now that's not tracking right because they're not even into
the restaurant yet. So how did you get startled from
that shot to shoot Carla before.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You were even in front of her? Also, who did
that shot?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Because it said that Milton was the only person who
had a shot off on accident.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They were inside the restaurant at that point. I did
see that someone else took a shot through the glass.
I just forgot who it was, but.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
It wasn't Milton.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
So when Milton's gun went off accidentally when he tried
to jump over the cabinet, looking fucking cool as shit,
knocking shit all the way of the fuck over. That
wasn't the same gun. And he's saying, so these are
things that happened at two different times.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh yeah, and you're not even.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Say you're not being consistent because at trial you say,
oh wait, no, when after what's his name jumped over
the cabinet is when I shot Carlo. So they're not
they're already not believing it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And you really wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
To spend your appeal time, your appeal case. You're a
repellent coorse the few appeers you can process on freaking
you accidentally shooting the freaking gun. Look, that's that didn't
work the first time, So don't come to your repellet
with the same story.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
You choose a different angle, did it?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And his appeals were rejected in both nineteen eighty nine
and nineteen ninety two. No damn, And on June eighth,
nineteen ninety five, thirty four year old Ronald Outridge was
too the death room. Wow or whatever you want to
call it, do we have a recent picture of Ronald?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
No, Ronald died ten years less than ten years after
he was put on death row. He was convicted and
what nineteen eighty seven so nineteen ninety five's when he died.
They didn't waste much time exactly when they tried to
put the needle in his arm, for some reason, they
had a really hard time finding one, like in the
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left arm, so instead of using multiple needles to get
the medicine through, they had to use only one. I
don't know how that works. It was something that was
included in like all of the publications. And yeah, he
was killed that day and pronounced dead at twelve thirty
eight am. Ronald declined to have a last meal, and
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when he was asked if he had any last words,
he said, quote, no, I'm not going to say anything, damn,
just dumb. Something in that man was just gone. Was
either never there, yeah, or.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I mean you had to have been snug taken away.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Oh that's tough, Fronal.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
You just your life. You basically saying my life don't
mean ship didn't mean no light to him.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I would at least try to go out with a meal,
this big ball wall of thing, at least what you
want to No, that's what stuck out to me first.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm not gonna want that's crazy. No last moment of
pleasure before you go. So that was his decision.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
However, he did leave some written statements to his brother Jane.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh what did he say?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh, it's not for us, and it's so crazy because
his brother James was held in the very same death
row unit, just waiting his turn.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So what happened with Jane?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So James have been on death row and while he
was there, he had pleaded guilty to four counts of
aggravated robbery stemming from the nineteen eighty five crime spree
they went on, and he was sentenced to life in
prison for those.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
In nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The questions were coming up about his death sentence and
if the jurors were asked the required questions the right way.
For example, they were asked, one, if the crime was deliberate,
will you answer yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And two do.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They believe beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a
probability that James would commit additional acts of violence in
the future?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
What do you answer? No?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
I mean, yes, there's probability, but I think it's low.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
If jurors answered no to either question, James would get life,
But if they answered yes to both questions, he'd be
given the death penalty.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
So with this line of questioning, you could very easily
see how James was sentenced to death. And seventeen years
after his death sentence, James had amassed a number of
supporters in his fight for commutation, including four of the
original jurors from his case, his family attorneys, two former
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death row prison guards, a retired prison administrator, a fort
Worth City councilman, won his old bosses, and more.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Then there's hope for James.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
People thought that there was. That's what they're saying. They
all were supporting James because they felt like even though
he made some really bad mistakes, he had rehabilitated his
life while on death row. Right because remember, Ron don't
have the mental illness. We don't know if James did.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Maybe he just looked up to his.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Brother they will and was super dead law.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
And now that his stealings missing, you know, does he
look a little crazier.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
No, he looks a little less crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
But he just Christen stealings missing so bad. I just
was my worst enemy his what is miss He's ceiling, bitch,
what's the ceiling? He's got the George fucking George Jefferson
Bach Taylor. I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
His ceiling, but look at his eyes.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
He looks there's something, there's something, but there's a little
hope something, there's a little something back there.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
So since being in prison, he became a writer, a painter,
and a poet. He's been a model inmate. According to
former guards, his calming presence has made the unit a
safer place with death thrown. People really aren't even supposed.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
To be interacting that much. I'm not really sure what's
going on, but he had great energy.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Seems like he was able to do a lot because
he was able to teach other inmates to read and write.
He has created artwork that has been shown in art
shows across the country and even Europe.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
So he's living with.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Showing you like I just needed a change, Like I
don't want to be that person. I'm showing you I
don't want to be that person because I'm showing you
I can do better.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
And his supporters feel like he should continue to do
so while living out his natural days in a regular
prison cell and not in the death unit.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I agree. Wow, I vouched for Sir James.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Wow, Sir as in Knights, It's.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
Just well, I'm just saying for talking like that, well,
Sir James James, I are Sir James straight up.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I feel like he made him, like, think about it,
take Sir James back to the killing. You know what
I'm saying. So, yeah, he made a mistake.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
That doesn't mean he couldn't be it is true. Yeah,
back then they wouldn't send a rehabilitated He would have said,
redemption is yours, Sir James.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, maybe I'm coming from Brian's Mugg's point of view, Doris.
Here is that my son, Brian was also an artist
and a writer who got a been preached in church. Yeah,
but he never got to fulfill.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
History didn't And that's dead ass wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
So it's hard to talk about the redemption of someone
else when but he still serves redemption.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Miss Miss, miss miss can't talk about it because she's
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
She has no redemption for him. She doesn't want it,
she doesn't give a fun But.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Like from our perspective seeing both sides, from my perspective
of seeing both sides of things, I want him to
redeem himself. I really want that for him, And I'm
sad that he took the life in the first place.
Because Brian looks really awesome. Yeah, he looked like he
didn't judge an he didn't. He didn't, he didn't he
let that man in.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
They he need to change, and I didn't think twice
but to give it to him.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, So it's really sad. It's very sad.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
So I'm like, you know, redemption is amazing, but sometimes
we're defined by our decisions, unfortunately, and in this, in
this situation, we are. Yeah, obviously you see the Eyne
understand where Brian's mom is coming from, obviously, and I
did too, and so did the governor when he decided
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to uphold James's death sentence. And on August twenty sixth,
two thousand and four, at the age of forty one
years old, James was executed. And I mean James, this
is James, you know. Shortly before he died, they did
all the videos, the interviews that you know, damn, the writing,
the letters for clemency, and it just didn't work out.
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His last mule order was a double meat bacon cheeseburger
with lettuce, tomato and solid dressing, Frene fries with ketchup
banana pudding and watermelon or seedless grapes.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Did the right way, James, I'm mad at that order.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
When asked if he had any last words, he said, quote, yeah,
I want to thank my family and friends, my family
for all loving me and giving me so much love.
I am sorry, I really am you. Brian's sister, thanks
for your love. It means a lot, Shane. I hope
he finds peace. I'm sorry I destroyed you all his life.
Thank you for forgiving me to the moon and back.
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I love you all. I leave you all as I
came and love. And then nine minutes later he was
pronounced dead at six two pm. And then when asked
later like what the fuck was he talking about in reference,
you know, to his family forgiving him, and Brian's family said,
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we have no idea what he's talked about. We never
said we forgave him. Whoa Brian's him calling out Brian's
sister thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
For the love is fucking diabolic.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
So she said, what messaging him secretly or psychotics? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
So why which one did she say? That? In his
last words? On human earth? You would bring up for
loving you. They're looking like, we don't know what he's
talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
They when they were asked about it later they said,
we don't. We never said we forgive him. We don't
know what the fuck he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Oh shit, you didn't get that before you left.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
So I'm like, who was really the sick one here?
Because why would you even say that in your last moments,
even if it's something that's true, calling her by name
and saying thank you for the love. And then Shane,
I'm assuming Shane is another one of the family members
just saying things that, But.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Why would he say that if he didn't know?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's very strange. It's very strange. And as the family
of a victim, I couldn't imagine them sitting there saying, Oh,
I'm gonna secretly tell them I forgiven but publicly now
I don't. It doesn't make any sense. So what are
you doing, Brian? What type of game are you playing?
Jane with these Oh James, sorry, oh my god? So
(48:46):
what are you doing, James, playing this type of game
with these damn people that are grieving?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
And also, if these damn people are playing games, what
the fuck?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
You lose your son, why would you play why would
you get him any solace, but not I don't understand.
I don't know without standing on it, why would you
give him any solace without standing on it. That was
a bit of a nodball, I will say that.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Have a lot of about that. Yeah, like what is
it like? Don't be lying now?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And maybe he's not as innocent as as he comes off,
because realistically, just because Brian moved in that damn storeroom
doesn't mean that he had to shoot him twice in
the head.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Let's be realistic.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, you could have knocked him out, you know, pistol
whip him and knocked him out and then left or whatever.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
We know, we know, So what's what? What is James
really about?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, there's something I think more sinister to him than
he wanted to let on. And I think some of
his supporters may have been bamboos by it, maybemn maybe
a lot. A lot can be said by what someone
chooses to say in their last living moments.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's true. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Our case, y'all.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
So let us know what you guys thought about that episode.
Holy we love you so much. This is our last
time recording in the same room for a while.
Speaker 10 (50:13):
Me and you must never pa monkey no shit.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
You know.
Speaker 10 (50:21):
See we've had We've had an amazing run. We have
ups and downs and challenges, but like face to face
is always going to be one hundred two years living
close to each other.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
With each other, living in your home, to living near
each other, to doing life together the whole way.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I love it to you being there when I gave
birth to Bubby, like the whole time.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Couldn't have done it without you at all.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So happy. We wouldn't have had any other way to
living with you guys and having him his first night
come on, those things you just can't dream of. No,
you have to be there.
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I'm honored.
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Black Chee Crime is a podcast that researches and discusses
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
Hello, everyone, that might have been too much. I'm Kayla
and I'm Kristen, and this is black true crime. You
know where you're at, It's where you're supposed to be,
and we are so happy to be here. We don't
have mom again, you know what. Let's just say, you know,
without saying too much, is going through a huge law
(01:00):
us and let's just send some prayers to her. We
love her so much and she should be back next week. Okay, y'all,
I'm moving out of state. I think I announced that
last episode. But yeah, the reason why we're not on
video right now for our patrons on Patreon is because
it's crazy in here. Okay, we're packing everything. I look crazy,
(01:20):
Christen looks great.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
We've also taken a couple of shots.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I think this case is a little looser, you know,
in the sense of like I was comfortable taking a
couple of shots before, but still lost, still sad. So
let's have some decor regardless, let's just get right into it.
And by get right into it, I mean I didn't
write an intro. So let's just get oh, get right
into who these people are? You see by the title.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
You know what we're doing. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Ronald Keith Aldridge was born on September twenty seventh, nineteen
sixty in West Germany. Mister Aldridge, you weren't expecting that
were no Germany, and it's all raged.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
There's no d.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Oh all Ridge, all Ridge, all Ridge, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
He and his family were out there because his dad
was in the military and temporarily stationed there.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I believe Ronald was the oldest brother. And then two
years later, in nineteen sixty two, came James Vernon Allrich.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
That's her. That's her. That's a nice handsome chocolate boy.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Leasted me mon Currie Ptuti, and.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
By that time the family was already back in the
States and living in Texas.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So he was born in Texas, Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Cool. In nineteen sixty nine, the family put down roots
in Fort Worth, Texas, living at two four two five
and Glenn.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Tri day on our business.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Hey for a word, shout out to Texas, shout out
to the DFW. And it's a house that still stands,
but like you know, let's minor business.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
They obviously don't live there anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Ronald and James's parents would have another little boy together,
and they named him Stanley. I think, I think ultimately,
I don't know how many they had ultimately, but huh,
that's just where I left it.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So the family on the surface was growing and the father.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Was gainfully employed.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Hello in the military, right, we love it. And they
were living in a single family home together where Ronald
and James shared a bedroom in that.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
Okay, it's a little tight, a little tight with your brother.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Little bro hopefully wasn't hot.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Back then.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
I think they like insulated and made rooms up there
and made it very cute.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
It makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Ronald, the oldest, was described as being a quiet and
shy person, while James was more outgoing and popular at school.
So like personality wise, they were clearly very different, very
different well being that they were brothers and spent so
much time together in that little that attict, let's not
say it's little.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Let's give them the benefield it doubt.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Like.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
I saw a picture of the house.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
It looked a little spacious. It was one floor, but
the attic you know, who knows.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
I mean I see it in their head.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
It feels comfortable and wooded and you know, deck a
little kids, you know, a little It was a boys den, right,
and they spent so much time together. They ended up
having a few things in common.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
They're best friends.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And by high school that was committing crimes. No, what's
your timitting crimes for?
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You know?
Speaker 2 (04:28):
And the house was like nice.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
It seemed like I'm not saying they were they had
their dad.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, I'm not saying that they were living like
a bel airstone, right it is, yeah, yeah, but they
had their.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Mom and their dad and the house. They were living
in a home. Maybe they struggled a bit, but he
had a job, his dad.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
And then as far as like abuse or those types
of traumas inside the home, I didn't find any anything
about that, So I guess we'll never know. But on
the outside, like I said, looking in, they're doing okay. Yeah,
but they decides to document in some crimes.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Mmmm.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Well, kleptos clepto and also other things. That's why they're
on this show. Uh oh. In March of nineteen seventy six,
when Ronald was only fifteen years old, he robbed a
local department store and made off with like quite a
bit of things. He made off with some watches, some guns,
and some Amma at fifteen, that's the oldest. This is
(05:28):
around the time that Ronald started to carry a gun
to school with him every day.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Day around So you turn into a whole hood lom
and you know, at this time fifteen, he's raging, right, testosterone, hormone, puberty,
whatever the fuck it is gross, trying to become a
man boy, turning into a man.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Boy, turning into a man and walking around with a
weapon like that. I mean, he's feeling powerful.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
And he looks like he's trying to like be that
hard or have that hard demeanor too, like making going
for himself.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, he was trying to.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Be top king or maybe he felt like he had
to defend himself.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, I was thinking, is he sure?
Speaker 2 (06:10):
You know?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Is he a little goofy looking.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Here's a lot of an eggs, so I'm not sure
if he's sure, not entirely sure either, way at fifteen,
he was carrying a gun and was showing it off
to kids at school and even Bragg that he was
ready to shoot someone. O Lord Jesus a thug, and
not even a full month.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Later he did.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
No, Rodney Ronald, I knew as soon as just did that.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
No, it was too long.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
He was trying to figure out his Damn me, I
was close. I still feel closed right, No, for real,
because this is horrible, damnit Ronald. After an argument on
April twelfth, nineteen seventy six, Ronald ended up shooting and
killing Christian got serious quick fifteen year old Lorenzo Kneeland
(07:17):
while surrounded by other kids at the school, like, in
front of other people.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
No, why did he shooting him? We're gonna get to that.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Lorenzo was shot in the chest and abdomen, and fortunately
he didn't survive all school groundside in the school, in
front of a boy's bathroom with other people surrounding him.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
What was the beef?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Ronald also shot another kid named James Christian, but thankfully
James didn't die.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
He survived.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Ronald escaped from the scene, but was later arrested by
a police when.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Questioned about the shooting.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Ronald wasn't clear about the boaten, so investigators determined that
the argument started about either a girl or another disagreement about.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
A burglary or something. Okay, so he.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Has everybody sex and money, Christen?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
What talking about high schoolers?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's just like the top three I know, like top
three things a man's gonna fight over. It's true, a
woman shoot somebody over money, maybe some drugs, definitely drugs, sex, money, drugs.
I know their children actually like all of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But you have to be smart about it. Let's keep going.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Rest in peace, right, rest in peace. Little Rinzo fifty
years old. Chocol so looked charismatic.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
This is so.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
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Speaker 3 (08:58):
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Speaker 2 (09:48):
Fifteen year old Ronald received a psych evaluation while he
was in custody and was officially diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Oh, Ronald was on some mental illness type shit.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
He was struggling.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh no, So it's good that he was officially evaluated
by professionals and now maybe he can get in TELP
in prison, because make no mistake.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
He's going to jail. You're going to jail. He killed
our home boilers. Are they charging him as an adult?
Speaker 5 (10:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Okay, he was in charge as an adult. He pleaded
guilty to the murder and was sentenced to ten years
in prison. Okay, but he only served six So he
was released in nineteen eighty three. So now he's twenty three.
Uh huh out for the first time as an adult. Wow,
he got a job, Wow, a restaurant.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Okay, dope, do we do? We are we liking this
from him? Do you think he can change so far.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Right, he's going in the right direction trying, but he
couldn't keep the job because he couldn't show up on time,
so he was fired. Simple shit, Ronald, sim shit. The basics.
In prison, your lights are on by what six am?
Like you can be team.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Keep the routeam.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It takes the You know, in prison you're forced to
do things. When you're not forced to do something, you're
probably not going to do it. But especially if you
don't have the.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Discipline, right, maybe that means that like in prison, like
boys just don't grow up until they have.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
To unless you right, So they have to go to jail.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Maybe they get locked up so they can finally learn
to grow up, to be put on.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
The schedule, to have actually seen it happen.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
For people are model citizens in prison, but then they
get out and just at their own free will, they
don't know how to.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
They have no self discipline all.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
And like I was about to literally say, once you
have no job, you're aimless you I mean moneyless. What
do these Hawaiians do? They start stealing it from people. Yeah,
and that's what Ronald and his bestie brother James started
doing all around for word, So Ronald got out and
(12:02):
now him and James are in these streets stealing.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Correct, James, where were you when Ronald got locked up?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
This is James.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's not looking good.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
That's James. That's James his brother. Yeah, show this.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's not great.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
And James is the one that was like charismatic and like,
yeah he was school.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Looks like he's been on somethings.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Like he ain't sleep, slept in three days, four days,
he does.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Some of the robberies that they committed together were in
tandem with another set of brothers, nineteen year old Clarence
Jarman An eighteen year old Milton Ray Johnman Okay. On
January fourteenth, nineteen eighty five, Ronald took a twenty two
caliber pistol to a Crusty's Pizza in Fort Worth to
Robin and he actually used to work there. Oh, and
(12:55):
of course he couldn't just go in and take the money. No,
he had to kill somebody.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Why did he have to kill someone? Yeah, he's just
got out of jail.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah, it's just scratched, sister. It's been a long time
since it took a life, right, he just jumpy.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
He frogged you with it.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
I feel like he ain't got no real coots about him. Hey,
he is a mental illness. So he's a little nutty too.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
He's already not working with the full full bag.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
James look a little nutty too, Christen, he looked.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Boy, he's looking at me right now. No shade, christ
No soul, yeah, yeah, no soul.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Like mega mega mega. Something has gone wrong.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, a little unnerving.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
A little unnerving.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I've had a couple of drinks, but you know, still.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Just giving a real jumpy up in here. So he's terrible.
Who are we talking about, James? And then we return
with Ronald.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Oh yeah, and they're up in Crusty's Pizza and nineteen
year old Buddy Joe Webster Junior was there that night,
working Buddy Joe Webster. He had three names, but Buddy Joe,
Buddy Joe, well, Buddy Joe was up in there.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
He was working Buddy Joe.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Christen, keep serious.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
That is so sad.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
This is really sad. Buddy Joe's up in there and
he got shot and killed by Ronald.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
That like, Ronald, so you just own one. So you
just a Waiian out here. You just got ten years
in the pan sirt six came out and was like, yeah, Nikka,
I'm still on That's that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
I'm still on that.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
And then now I'm gonna drag my brother into it,
right because.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
James was out there the whole time, or was he.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Going in and out too of jail or great question.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
He didn't have any criminal record, he hadn't been in
prison ever since, or any trouble like that ever since
homeboy was locked up.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Way to be a big brother.
Speaker 4 (14:57):
Big brother, Ronald, you failed, you.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Fail, You have failed us, You have failed me out
of him, you have failed me.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
And what makes it even worse is that Ronald used
to work under Buddy Joe, Like Buddy.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Joe used to be his manager, his boss.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, that's not even why he didn't have any like
necessarily issue with him. And according to Ronald's own claims,
after he killed Buddy Joe, he didn't think twice about it.
He actually just went home and fell asleep.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
And you know that's how you know there's something wrong
with him.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
That's what I was about.
Speaker 4 (15:30):
You don't even recognize or feel a way that you
know this person, that you had a similar relationship with
this person. You just shot him like he was nobody
on the side of the street and went home and
went to sleep.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
That's pretty hardcore. That's pretty something something that.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Crap I was about to say according to research, right,
because just because he has schizophrenia, you know, you can
sit here and assume he's automatically unempathetic or unaware of
what he can do to people in sense of like
killing someone you know and being unremorseful about that. But
I looked it up and it's technically inaccurate to assume
(16:06):
the condition causes people to have a lack of remorse
when killing. Wow, Like, it doesn't automatically mean that. So
there has to be something else coupled with the paranoid schizophrenia.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Like psychopath psychopathy.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yes, like being a psychopath or or or honestly narcissists,
because narcissists lack empathy as well. That is deep you
can't like, don't just mental illness is often a concoction,
like a cocktail, a.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Whole bunch of different things.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
So immediately I'm thinking, Okay, he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia,
but I think he should have been evaluated a little
bit more, been a little been in a little bit
more care to determine what else he was dealing with,
because it was very clear.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
He was dealing with something else to it.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, So rest in peace to Buddy Joe.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Rest in peace, Buddy Joe Webster.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
On February third, nineteen eighty five, both Ronald and James
drove to a convenience store in Fort Worth where.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
James used to work.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
So now they're just going to places they're con don't
care about.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
What kind of places that they know your face, they
know who you are. That means you had no intention
on trying to get away.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I mean, you just didn't care.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
I think they had the intention of giving it getting away.
I just think they had the intention of also killing
people so they couldn't really be able to identify them. Wow.
Since James knew where the safe was kept and the
combination to it, the plan was just to let James
go inside while Ronald drove around the corner and waited
for him. According to court documents, the store was closed,
(17:45):
but twenty one year old Brian clintonon no clon his
last name is Clinton, was still inside closing up for
the night, and when James walked up to the door,
Bryant recognized him.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Yeah, he used to work there.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
For God's sakes, And James was just like, hey.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I need some change. Can you let me in really quick? Okay?
Speaker 4 (18:07):
Brian's like cool, No, Brian, don't trust him.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
After that, James goes inside, he comes out, he walks
back to the car.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Okay, okay, I think he got.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Cold feet after seeing Brian and being like I kind
of know this guy, like I don't want to necessarily
rob him.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
But Ronald wasn't.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Jack in that's a mess.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
He was a new sense.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
Ronald was like, yo, I see you pulling your punches.
I see that you're chickening out. Go back in there.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Wow, So what a great big brother.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
James approaches the door again, and poor Brian opened the
doors for James a second time, and this time he
was met with a twenty five caliber gun in his face,
and James forced Brian to the back room and tied
his hands behind his back.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
With an electrical cord. So you already know where this
is going.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's going down here, Brian. No, he was just being
a good guy.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Yeah, you shouldn't have trusted him.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Then he went to empty the cash re shirt. He
heard commotion coming from the storeroom and returned to see
that Brian had moved from the spot.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
He was in.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Damn, Brian, are you Kristen? I guess he was trying
to escape or something, and James responded by forcing Brian
to his knees and shooting him twice in the back
of his head. Oh my god, unbelievable. What did you
expect for him to just sit there? I mean, I
(19:36):
think so. I think he's like, if he still probably
would have shot him. He wasn't wear a mask, right,
he knows.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
To rob the store, thank you, and he's trying to
prove something to his brother too.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
No Brian.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
James left the store, but for some reason wanted to
go back in to check if Brian was really dead,
Like I guess he's like, Oh, I shot him twice
on the head. I don't think I really did it,
and maybe there were signs, but whatever, you shot him twice.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I'm alone.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
But there was a woman in the parking lot at
that time, so he decided not to go in. And
the woman that was in the parking lot was actually
his mother, who's.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Mother Brian's to James.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Brian's mother, and she was there to pick him up
after his shift. So she, you know, walked into the
store and she saw a change on the floor and
like left immediately to a restaurant to call the police.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
She didn't see her sign. No, thank god, she didn't
see him.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
When help arrived, they found Brian in the back storeroom.
He was still alive, still alive, but unfortunately he died
the next day at the hospital. Oh that hurts.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
That hurts. His mom is walking in.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Because I think the Lord she didn't go an inch further.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Horror, she wouldn't have been able to take him.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
Horrifying.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh my god, that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Though he's sitting there like his mom's right there as
he's dying in the back. He didn't even think twice.
He didn't think for one second he was in danger.
He felt like he knew James. I let him in
once I've worked with him. Why wouldn't I let him
in again? Exactly, That's what I'm saying, Like, when people
break your trust, it really feels like some betrayal.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Ass shit, like just just the worst of the worst.
That betrayal feels like it's the worst of the worst
type of pain.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
And then someone dies. Get the fuck out of here.
All because they trusted you.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Rest in peace, Brian, Rest in Peace, Brian, and Oh
my God, and Buddy Joe, Jesus and Lorenzo. Lorenzo, This
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And the Brothers weren't done hardly. On March twenty fifth,
nineteen eighty five, Ronald James and the Jarmin Brothers robbed
a Waburger in Fort Worth at gunpoint.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Today is shit? Why you what burgers anyway?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
I don't know. That's just some country shit, just some.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Just low vibration shit. Ronald brought a shotgun with him
and two of the other three had pistols on them. Milton,
which is one of the what's their last name then,
what did I say?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
One of their damn brothers.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
He had a gun and apparently he like jumped over
the counter and when he did it, like a goofball,
his gun fell out and like just discharged on its own. Okay,
but it didn't shute anybody, thankfully. But once they were inside,
the other employees they handed over the money to Milton,
and he got the money and he.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Just ran out of the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
What so he's out of there, Kayla.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Milton left them all with the money.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
I mean, he didn't leave, he didn't go far. They
still had to flee the scene completely together, but he
he definitely left the restaurant. We just know that he
didn't fire any more shots after that inside the restaurant.
So with employees and customers in the restaurant at this time,
nineteen year old Carla McMillan otto was eating at a
(24:16):
table with her friends when Ronald approached her. M he
threw a bag at her and said, fill it up.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Damn cool. I didn't say that, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
He threw it at her and she didn't catch it
because obviously she's freaking out. Huh, shotgun in her face,
so it falls to the ground and she like throws
her hands up to like surrender, you know, and Ronald,
being the fucking like live wire that he is, just
shot her once in the chest with the shotgun, killing
her and she died instantly.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
He didn't give her a chance, not an opportunity.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
She's she's all killy, he's off one, he's he's here
to kill.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
He's not well at all. He then forced her friend
Carrie Jacobs to pick up the bag. He put his
wallet inside and handed the bag to Ronald and then
he like backed up to the wall with his hands up, like,
oh my god, I just watched my friend get her
blown out. This is nuts, you know, doing the best
that they can here, and then the robbers just left.
(25:23):
So they killed Carla literally for absolutely no reason and
just left.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
And those are all young people, they're so young. Just
kills just having a job, you know, trying to be.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Really she's eating a bird with her friends, for God's sake. Wow,
what good they're they're trying. I would have been in
Kings and they're trying.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
It's so toxic.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
My God, Rest in peace to Carl.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
When are they gonna get him?
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Like, does the police know about anything?
Speaker 5 (25:58):
So far?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
So we're gonna ge to it. Oh, actually right now.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
All four of these brothers were quickly arrested after this
because one of the employees at the Waterburger recognized Ronald's
voice from when they used to work together. Oh yeah,
at the pizza restaurant where he killed Billy Joe. What sorry,
what Buddy Joe. So way, so they all worked together
(26:26):
with Buddy Joe at the pizza place.
Speaker 4 (26:29):
He heard his freak Buddy Joe.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Yeah, he killed him at that pizza joint, and he
recognized his free recognized he recognized Ronald's voice.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Wow nuts, wow wow. So did they get his ass?
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (26:44):
They got his ass.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
He was in jail.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
They were all in custody, all four of the brothers period.
So the Alrich brothers and the Jarmon brothers were all
indicted on capitol murder charges period of a few folks.
Of course, Ronald was taking his case to try and
his defense team initially tried to blame the Drammon brothers,
saying that they were the masterminds behind the Waterberg robbery
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and that he didn't mean to kill Carla, and really
it was no one's fault for accidentally firing his gun,
because when he heard that gun shot go off, he
got scared and that triggered his his finger.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
The gun, you wouldn't have fired.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
It, for sure.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So a lot of the arguments came down to how
much pressure it took to pull the trigger of a gun,
and if Ronald was truly just startled and accidentally pulled it.
It's a shotgun, Klo serious, Although there's every bit of
intention behind that shot. You don't shoot a shotgun unprepared
for the kickback.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
The ricochet alone of a shotgun a something you prepare for.
And they also put that weight in the trigger so
you know was about to be coming to you.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
It's not like.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Shooting that into a woman that you're standing right next
to in front of her friends. It's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
I'm gonna give you startling or not, Like, what are
you doing?
Speaker 4 (28:11):
You shouldn't have a business being there with that shotgun?
Speaker 3 (28:14):
What the fuck are you this is?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
This isn't even his first murder. No, so I'm you're
not startled by the sound of gunshots.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Boopy, We're not playing that game. Promise you that can't
believe they wasted the jury's time, of course trying to
expel that lie.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Of course they did.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Both the defense and prosecution presented their own ballistics experts.
But at the end of the day, if Ronald never
walked into that water burger with that shotgun, he would
have never been in the position to kill Carl that part.
So he was found guilty period of the capital murder charge.
And because of the previous murder conviction he had, plus
the evidence the prosecution presented showing that he was involved
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in multiple robberies, Ronald was sentenced to death. Girl wait,
girl gave him the chair.
Speaker 4 (29:00):
They gave him the chair, pulled the needle in this case.
I mean to be honest, though, Ronald is showing you
who he is and what he's willing to do every
time you give him a chance.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And even if there was room for habilitate rehabilitation for
him because he needed that. He didn't get it, not
in the formative years that he should have gotten it,
which was when he was in juvie or prison whatever,
and Kimmy was serving it for the first murder.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
I wanna say, can we talk about that, like he
never received mental health?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Like no health. No, we all knew that there was
some medication. Exactly how are you diagnosed and not treated?
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And they have their custody. I'm confused by that. It's crazy.
I'm confused by that. Now it's James's turn.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
But unlike Ronald, he didn't have a criminal record, and
although he was involved with and present at Carlo's murder,
he doesn't deserve the death penalty.
Speaker 4 (29:57):
Okay, but what about buddy Joe and what about Ben?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
I mean, initially, right, you're charged with one thing. They're
charging them with what they did to Carla. But they're
kind of putting two and two together as time is
going on that, Hey, you're not new to this, you're.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
True to this, buddy boy. Yeah, even though he didn't
pull the trigger here.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Yeah, James's defense team is saying, look, he's a good kid.
At least he was growing up and only faltered when
he started being negatively influenced by his older brother.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I mean they I mean, that's a good type of.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Case to Bill believable because he didn't have a record
before Ronald got out, correct or during Ronald getting out,
I mean, while Ronald was in prison, he didn't have
a record. Correct. A psychologist said that James was very
intelligent and competent and showed signs of being neither sociopathic
nor psychotic, and if kept away from Ronald's influence, would
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it be a threat to the rest of society?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Can we take that risk?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
Ronald was the ringleader in my opinion that he was
the one who had the mental health break. He was
the one who wielded the gun and you're shooting all
the time, and he was the one who kind of
nudged James.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
To do the same.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
It's true, but we have to also think about it.
James is still a very young man at this point.
If he finds any other bad influence in the time
span that he'd have if he didn't get a serious
sentence thrown at him, Like, if we're being.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Honest, he could be influenced.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Probably, probably, But I know that was his brother.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
But I about to say the number one person influence,
who's your sibling.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
I would kill for mine, So I'm sure he would
kill for his, even though he knows the sibling is
fucked up.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
But he's gonna go through a huge loss with Ronald
going to jail forever. Right, that's a huge separation. That's
not just the six years they spent apart period. So
who knows how desperate he would be to find a
replacement in that situation.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
And if he finds a bad.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Replacement, period make it very easily, in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Be repeat the same behavior. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
Yeah, everybody's looking for a savior or maybe James's baby.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
He's just trying to save someone, a brother to dad.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, you know, someone to just truly love you.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Who knows and that can take you to dark places
with dark people exactly, Ronald, smh, you needed help and
you never got it.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
We didn't get the help you needed, that's for sure.
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Speaker 2 (32:48):
And the determinations that were made about James were made
after one two hour session by that psychologist. So it's
like you can't really know that much about someone's psychology
and that small amount of time. But either way, the
prosecution presented evidence that James had been involved with seven
different armed robberies, including the one where he killed Brian Clinton.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
So you know, we're.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Looking at you like like yards of what you're trying
to tell us, of who you were and your influence.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
You know, you had every opportunity.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Not to kill Brian, and you still chose me. But
you were out here in these streets. Yeah, regards of
what your brother was telling you to do, you still
pull the trigger on your own. You have to be
held accountable for that.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
You have to.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Oh, I've faltered to pure pressure, so you know, give.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
Me a break.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Be accountable, No thanks, no thanks. The prosecution made it
clear that Brian posed no threat to James other than
knowing him, and that he was probably killed so that
James wouldn't be identified.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
A thousand percent, And I feel like he was really
trying to prove something to Ronald.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Ronald told him, get your ass out this car, gole
back in there, and don't come back in here until
you kill something.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Don't make me tell you the game.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Ultimately, James was convicted of capital murder and sentenced to.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Death as well. Damn dead, They didn't give a fuck.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
That was a lot.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I feel like I get it.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
James didn't have a rap before.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
I mean, I feel like he earned that death sentence,
even if it wasn't for necessarily what happened to Carla
is definitely for what.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Happened to Brian. Yeah, but I just feel like that
was a lot. James also, was how old was he
a minor?
Speaker 2 (34:27):
Was he older than that happened in nineteen eighty seven,
because ron was twenty three when he got out a minor. No,
he was two years younger than Homeboy.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Twenty one, so he's still damn you traded your life
for Brian's life straight like that, or traded Brian's life
for yours.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Both, I mean both y'all gone.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
I mean yeah, you know the kind of ones you
can't trade shit. You took a life and now your
life's about to be.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Taken under no chance like full stop karma, chance for more.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Here you go.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Wow, you know that just shows you it's not worth it.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
So I sentenced.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
When asked if he had anything to say, James turned
to Brian's family and said, quote, the only thing on
my mind at the time wasn't what the jury had decided,
what they were going to do to me, or what
my future might hold, none of that. It was that
I wanted to say I was sorry to Brian's mom.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
That's what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Oh well, yeah, like little remorse there, a little remorse
there because he knew what he did was day wrong.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Who is that James? That's James. He knew what he
did was day wrong. He got led astray.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I really don't think he should have received the death sentence.
I feel like he should have received.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
Like thirty forty years. But like I feel like maybe
James had some redemption in him. They gave it to
fucking Ronald when he killed a freaking person.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
So like, what did you give it to seventeen when
ten years? Yeah, but like you don't ever know. I'm
just saying I feel like that was a little harsh
for that. But he got what he got because he
did what he did. Yeah. Well, I like when we
disagree because I definitely can understand, especially when we get
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to a little bit further in the case. Oh, we're
going to get to that because when deciding who goes
on death row, a couple of questions have to be asked,
and in certain situations more questions are asked, but in
this situation only two were, so if you kind of
look at that, you could understand, okay, what the jury
was looking at. The dram and brothers were both indicted
(36:37):
for capital murder, but the charges were surprisingly lowered to
aggravated robbery, and both brothers were found guilty, with Clarence
receiving a twenty year sentence and Milton receiving a thirty
year sentence. Okay, they served their time and both were
released from prison. I think someone was on probation, but
I didn't really not too important to the rest of opication. Yeah,
(36:58):
rested episode, Yeah, so good on them. They saved their time.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Don't do it again twenty thirty years, Like that's a statement.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Don't do that shit again.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Learn something, learn from this. Of course, Ronald's death sentence
was appealed, and they reiterated that the gunshot that went
off before his genuinely startled him and that's why he
shot Carla. But listened to this and his initial confession,
Ronald confessed to shooting Carla. He said that the first shot,
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meaning the shot that went through the glass door of
the restaurant, was what startled him into shooting Carla. Okay,
now that's not tracking right because they're not even into
the restaurant yet. So how did you get startled from
that shot to shoot Carla before.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
You were even in front of her? Also, who did
that shot?
Speaker 4 (37:43):
Because it said that Milton was the only person who
had a shot off on accident.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They were inside the restaurant at that point. I did
see that someone else took a shot through the glass.
I just forgot who it was, but.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
It wasn't Milton.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
So when Milton's gun went off accidentally when he tried
to jump over the cabinet, looking fucking cool as shit,
knocking shit all the way of the fuck over. That
wasn't the same gun. And he's saying, so these are
things that happened at two different times.
Speaker 3 (38:13):
Oh yeah, and you're not even.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Say you're not being consistent because at trial you say,
oh wait, no, when after what's his name jumped over
the cabinet is when I shot Carlo. So they're not
they're already not believing it.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
And you really wanted.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
To spend your appeal time, your appeal case. You're a
repellent coorse the few appeers you can process on freaking
you accidentally shooting the freaking gun. Look, that's that didn't
work the first time, So don't come to your repellet
with the same story.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
You choose a different angle, did it?
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And his appeals were rejected in both nineteen eighty nine
and nineteen ninety two. No damn, And on June eighth,
nineteen ninety five, thirty four year old Ronald Outridge was
too the death room. Wow or whatever you want to
call it, do we have a recent picture of Ronald?
Speaker 3 (39:05):
No?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
No, Ronald died ten years less than ten years after
he was put on death row. He was convicted and
what nineteen eighty seven so nineteen ninety five's when he died.
They didn't waste much time exactly when they tried to
put the needle in his arm, for some reason, they
had a really hard time finding one, like in the
(39:28):
left arm, so instead of using multiple needles to get
the medicine through, they had to use only one. I
don't know how that works. It was something that was
included in like all of the publications. And yeah, he
was killed that day and pronounced dead at twelve thirty
eight am. Ronald declined to have a last meal, and
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when he was asked if he had any last words,
he said, quote, no, I'm not going to say anything, damn,
just dumb. Something in that man was just gone. Was
either never there, yeah, or.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
I mean you had to have been snug taken away.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Oh that's tough, Fronal.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
You just your life. You basically saying my life don't
mean ship didn't mean no light to him.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
I would at least try to go out with a meal,
this big ball wall of thing, at least what you
want to No, that's what stuck out to me first.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I'm not gonna want that's crazy. No last moment of
pleasure before you go. So that was his decision.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
However, he did leave some written statements to his brother Jane.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
Oh what did he say?
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Oh, it's not for us, and it's so crazy because
his brother James was held in the very same death
row unit, just waiting his turn.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
So what happened with Jane?
Speaker 2 (40:58):
So James have been on death row and while he
was there, he had pleaded guilty to four counts of
aggravated robbery stemming from the nineteen eighty five crime spree
they went on, and he was sentenced to life in
prison for those.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
In nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The questions were coming up about his death sentence and
if the jurors were asked the required questions the right way.
For example, they were asked, one, if the crime was deliberate,
will you answer yeah?
Speaker 3 (41:27):
And two do.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
They believe beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a
probability that James would commit additional acts of violence in
the future?
Speaker 3 (41:36):
What do you answer? No?
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (41:38):
I mean, yes, there's probability, but I think it's low.
Speaker 3 (41:41):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
If jurors answered no to either question, James would get life,
But if they answered yes to both questions, he'd be
given the death penalty.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
So with this line of questioning, you could very easily
see how James was sentenced to death. And seventeen years
after his death sentence, James had amassed a number of
supporters in his fight for commutation, including four of the
original jurors from his case, his family attorneys, two former
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death row prison guards, a retired prison administrator, a fort
Worth City councilman, won his old bosses, and more.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
Then there's hope for James.
Speaker 2 (42:24):
People thought that there was. That's what they're saying. They
all were supporting James because they felt like even though
he made some really bad mistakes, he had rehabilitated his
life while on death row. Right because remember, Ron don't
have the mental illness. We don't know if James did.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
Maybe he just looked up to his.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Brother they will and was super dead law.
Speaker 2 (42:44):
And now that his stealings missing, you know, does he
look a little crazier.
Speaker 3 (42:49):
No, he looks a little less crazy.
Speaker 2 (42:52):
But he just Christen stealings missing so bad. I just
was my worst enemy his what is miss He's ceiling, bitch,
what's the ceiling? He's got the George fucking George Jefferson
Bach Taylor. I'm just saying, like.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
His ceiling, but look at his eyes.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
He looks there's something, there's something, but there's a little
hope something, there's a little something back there.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
So since being in prison, he became a writer, a painter,
and a poet. He's been a model inmate. According to
former guards, his calming presence has made the unit a
safer place with death thrown. People really aren't even supposed.
Speaker 3 (43:33):
To be interacting that much. I'm not really sure what's
going on, but he had great energy.
Speaker 2 (43:38):
Seems like he was able to do a lot because
he was able to teach other inmates to read and write.
He has created artwork that has been shown in art
shows across the country and even Europe.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
So he's living with.
Speaker 4 (43:53):
Showing you like I just needed a change, Like I
don't want to be that person. I'm showing you I
don't want to be that person because I'm showing you
I can do better.
Speaker 2 (44:03):
And his supporters feel like he should continue to do
so while living out his natural days in a regular
prison cell and not in the death unit.
Speaker 3 (44:10):
I agree. Wow, I vouched for Sir James.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Wow, Sir as in Knights, It's.
Speaker 9 (44:18):
Just well, I'm just saying for talking like that, well,
Sir James James, I are Sir James straight up.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I feel like he made him, like, think about it,
take Sir James back to the killing. You know what
I'm saying. So, yeah, he made a mistake.
Speaker 4 (44:39):
That doesn't mean he couldn't be it is true. Yeah,
back then they wouldn't send a rehabilitated He would have said,
redemption is yours, Sir James.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Well, maybe I'm coming from Brian's Mugg's point of view, Doris.
Here is that my son, Brian was also an artist
and a writer who got a been preached in church. Yeah,
but he never got to fulfill.
Speaker 3 (45:03):
History didn't And that's dead ass wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
So it's hard to talk about the redemption of someone
else when but he still serves redemption.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
Miss Miss, miss miss can't talk about it because she's
not there yet.
Speaker 2 (45:17):
She has no redemption for him. She doesn't want it,
she doesn't give a fun But.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
Like from our perspective seeing both sides, from my perspective
of seeing both sides of things, I want him to
redeem himself. I really want that for him, And I'm
sad that he took the life in the first place.
Because Brian looks really awesome. Yeah, he looked like he
didn't judge an he didn't. He didn't, he didn't he
let that man in.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
They he need to change, and I didn't think twice
but to give it to him.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Yeah, So it's really sad. It's very sad.
Speaker 2 (45:46):
So I'm like, you know, redemption is amazing, but sometimes
we're defined by our decisions, unfortunately, and in this, in
this situation, we are. Yeah, obviously you see the Eyne
understand where Brian's mom is coming from, obviously, and I
did too, and so did the governor when he decided
(46:07):
to uphold James's death sentence. And on August twenty sixth,
two thousand and four, at the age of forty one
years old, James was executed. And I mean James, this
is James, you know. Shortly before he died, they did
all the videos, the interviews that you know, damn, the writing,
the letters for clemency, and it just didn't work out.
(46:30):
His last mule order was a double meat bacon cheeseburger
with lettuce, tomato and solid dressing, Frene fries with ketchup
banana pudding and watermelon or seedless grapes.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Did the right way, James, I'm mad at that order.
Speaker 2 (46:47):
When asked if he had any last words, he said, quote, yeah,
I want to thank my family and friends, my family
for all loving me and giving me so much love.
I am sorry, I really am you. Brian's sister, thanks
for your love. It means a lot, Shane. I hope
he finds peace. I'm sorry I destroyed you all his life.
Thank you for forgiving me to the moon and back.
(47:08):
I love you all. I leave you all as I
came and love. And then nine minutes later he was
pronounced dead at six two pm. And then when asked
later like what the fuck was he talking about in reference,
you know, to his family forgiving him, and Brian's family said,
(47:28):
we have no idea what he's talked about. We never
said we forgave him. Whoa Brian's him calling out Brian's
sister thank you.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
For the love is fucking diabolic.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
So she said, what messaging him secretly or psychotics? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
So why which one did she say? That? In his
last words? On human earth? You would bring up for
loving you. They're looking like, we don't know what he's
talking about.
Speaker 2 (47:52):
They when they were asked about it later they said,
we don't. We never said we forgive him. We don't
know what the fuck he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Oh shit, you didn't get that before you left.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
So I'm like, who was really the sick one here?
Because why would you even say that in your last moments,
even if it's something that's true, calling her by name
and saying thank you for the love. And then Shane,
I'm assuming Shane is another one of the family members
just saying things that, But.
Speaker 4 (48:19):
Why would he say that if he didn't know?
Speaker 3 (48:23):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
It's very strange. It's very strange. And as the family
of a victim, I couldn't imagine them sitting there saying, Oh,
I'm gonna secretly tell them I forgiven but publicly now
I don't. It doesn't make any sense. So what are
you doing, Brian? What type of game are you playing?
Jane with these Oh James, sorry, oh my god? So
(48:46):
what are you doing, James, playing this type of game
with these damn people that are grieving?
Speaker 4 (48:51):
And also, if these damn people are playing games, what
the fuck?
Speaker 2 (48:54):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
I doubt it.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
You lose your son, why would you play why would
you get him any solace, but not I don't understand.
I don't know without standing on it, why would you
give him any solace without standing on it. That was
a bit of a nodball, I will say that.
Speaker 3 (49:12):
Have a lot of about that. Yeah, like what is
it like? Don't be lying now?
Speaker 2 (49:16):
And maybe he's not as innocent as as he comes off,
because realistically, just because Brian moved in that damn storeroom
doesn't mean that he had to shoot him twice in
the head.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
Let's be realistic.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah, you could have knocked him out, you know, pistol
whip him and knocked him out and then left or whatever.
Speaker 4 (49:32):
We know, we know, So what's what? What is James
really about?
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, there's something I think more sinister to him than
he wanted to let on. And I think some of
his supporters may have been bamboos by it, maybemn maybe
a lot. A lot can be said by what someone
chooses to say in their last living moments.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's true. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Our case, y'all.
Speaker 3 (50:00):
Oh, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
So let us know what you guys thought about that episode.
Holy we love you so much. This is our last
time recording in the same room for a while.
Speaker 10 (50:13):
Me and you must never pa monkey no shit.
Speaker 3 (50:21):
You know.
Speaker 10 (50:21):
See we've had We've had an amazing run. We have
ups and downs and challenges, but like face to face
is always going to be one hundred two years living
close to each other.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
I loved it, loved it, loved it, loved it.
Speaker 4 (50:40):
With each other, living in your home, to living near
each other, to doing life together the whole way.
Speaker 2 (50:46):
I love it to you being there when I gave
birth to Bubby, like the whole time.
Speaker 3 (50:51):
Couldn't have done it without you at all.
Speaker 2 (50:53):
So happy. We wouldn't have had any other way to
living with you guys and having him his first night
come on, those things you just can't dream of. No,
you have to be there.
Speaker 3 (51:05):
So I'm happy that I had that experience with you guys.
I'm honored.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Hey do tears no, thank you guys so much for
listening to the episode. Please come see all three of us,
even though it's to today, all three of us in
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Speaker 4 (51:53):
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Speaker 3 (51:57):
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