June 22, 2025 • 46 mins
As most of us know, on June 19th, 1865, a man rode into Texas, home to more than 200,000 enslaved people, to tell them that they were now FREE. We mark THIS DAY as the day of our liberation. And it has been a celebration ever since!
BUT… with celebration comes hateration, from the people that DON’T want us to be great.. And in 1981, three young men died in less than eight feet of water while celebrating their freedom and their greatness. So JOIN US today as we discuss what happened to the Comanche Three.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:38):
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love you guys. Are you ready to get started? Also?
Oh well, yeah, I was gonna say Happy Juneteenth, but
that's clearly what the show is about. Okay, Happy jute
teenth anyway, Happy Juneteenth, y'all. All right, let's get started.
As most of us know, on June nineteenth, nineteen sixty five,
a man rode into Texas, home to more than two
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hundred thousand enslaved people, to tell them that they were
now free. And all of the Emancipation Proclamation was signed
two years earlier, and the Civil War had been over
for what I think it was like seventy one days
at that time. We mark this day as a day
of our liberation, per and it has been a celebration
ever since. But with celebration comes hateration, uh oh, from
(04:21):
the people that don't want us to be great. And
in nineteen eighty one, three young men died in less
than eight feet of water. Oh my gosh, while celebrating
their freedom and their greatness. No, and today I'm going
to try to tell the story of the worst part
of their life. Literally, geezus release yep, so join us
(04:42):
today as we discussed what happened to the Comanche three,
the Commandite three, girl, I just saw a restaurant named
KAMANCHI really Comancho, sorry fucking annoy, Okay, I was wrong.
Comanchos Okay. I have good food, Okay, Mexican, I love Mexican.
(05:04):
I know this week's case takes us to nineteen eighty
one Waco, Texas. Ooh, Waco, we know Waco, well, technically
not Waco. Oh Okay a city called Mahea Mahea. It's
spelled like Mexia, but it's Mahea, Okay, which is about
a forty five minute drive from Waco, And from what
I read in multiple different places, it was the home
(05:28):
to the first Juneteenth celebrations in Texas. Woo. Some places
say even the entire nation. Oh wow. They literally told
me at work that they were driving through Texas one
day and they saw this fat ass celebration on this
small ass town and everybody was celebrating juneteen. So they
like pulled over and just watched the parade. Go this
(05:49):
literally may be the city I think we're gonna get.
It could be. That's actually really cool. And these celebrations
date back to eighteen sixty six, which was just one
year after the official announcement was made in Texas. So
they were like, we're free, and then started every single
year celebrating it. I thought that was pretty cool. Wait
(06:09):
to start a tradition immediately exactly, we will never forget.
We could learn something from that. And in eighteen ninety eight,
a park was dedicated to specifically celebrate juneteen celebrations every
year period. The area was sometimes known as the Comanche Crossing,
but was officially named the Booker T. Washington Park. Okay,
(06:33):
so if you're on what's that called What's up? It's
called Patreon. There we go. If you're on Patreon, you
guys see a bunch of pictures that I included of
just different juneteen celebrations throughout the year. They used to
decorate their carriages. It's given Davenports. It does get money.
(06:53):
They have money, period. These two women were actually the
daughters of a pastor. It literally the daven Park. Shout
out to the book called The Davenports You guys, the
author is amazing. Forget her name, Christy something Marquis, Crystal Marquee.
Shout out to the Davenports book. You should totally listen
to it. I mean watch it. I listened to it
on audiobooks, but you can read, read it and watch it.
(07:15):
It was wrong on all accounts. But yeah, as you
can see in this picture, they have like a picture
of Abraham Lincoln hung up and stuff. My brother house.
Pretty cool. They just gathering. They put that shit on
period of the instruments and they're celebrating with each other.
Look at the kids looking good. I love it. I
(07:35):
love it. And for all those two hundred years, black
people from all over north central Texas would come to
Booker T. Washington Park and celebrate together. Okay, and the
parties would usually go into the later part of the night,
which brings us to the juneteen celebration at Booker T.
Washington Park in nineteen eighty one, which is where our
case begins. No, no, no, I do want to tell
(07:58):
you guys that this case was like really hard for
me to research and write because a lot of the
information about the victims and like what happened had been
shared online via people's personal experiences, right like the people
that were there, from journalists to family members, you know,
to other people celebrating that night that were there and
witness would happen. Yeah, so it was a lot of
(08:19):
stuff to sift through. Okay, my best girl, we trust you.
We try to give you, guys the meat and potatoes
of what happened to who later would be named the
Command GI three. Meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes, Meat
and potatoes. So before we get into everything, everything we
need a little bit more context about the area before
we get started. So the park is located on the
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north side of a lake called Lake Mahea, Okay. And
as part of the celebrations and festivities, people would party
on their little boats, their little you know, they had
like their little que fishermen boats and like bigger boats
and stuff like that. And then there was like a
bridge that spanned across the lake, Okay, from one side
of it to the other. Well, on this particular juneteen celebration,
(09:04):
there were three sheriff deputies who were at a temporary
command post in a red cabin across the lake from
the party. So we know, like as soon as they
see a big black gathering, they have to surveil us,
you know, and like, I don't know, stake us out.
So that's what they were doing. They were just there
watching what was happening whatever. And at some point that
(09:26):
night they decided to leave their posts, Okay, unwarranted. They
weren't acts too, they just didn't. And according to articles,
they tried to cross the bridge on wheels but couldn't
get across because of the crowd, so they decided to
cross the lake via boat. Okay, Okay, simple enough.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
At least they weren't like, get the off the bridge,
like just seeing annoying fire, super annoyed. They were being
super annoying, but it could have been worse, right, mm hmm.
Once they crossed, they ended up arresting eighteen year old
Anthony Freeman, nineteen year old Carl Baker, and nineteen year
old Even Booker. Why, girl, we're gonna get to it.
(10:04):
So Steven was from Dallas and Carl and Anthony were
from Heya. Oh now these are their pictures from their
high school yearbooks. Yeah, and I'm like, dang, it was
black and white you back then, nineteen eighty one. Yeah,
well girl, I think they didn't start doing like actual
year but pictures in color to like two thousands. Actually,
(10:24):
I think it was the look for a little bit.
Oh it sucks, Okay, yeah, maybe this was like their
senior pictures or something. Yeah, something cute because they all
did graduate, Like they were all graduated by the time
the celebration happened. Okay. They were arrested that day for
possession of marijuana and possession of pills. Damn. So y'all
in their business like they were probably just kicking it
(10:47):
out here like celebrating June teen. Yep, I think it
was after eleven pm. So it's kind of just like
y'all left y'all post for no reason. Then you've happened
upon a group of black men that are just hanging out.
They're doing illegal things and even if you found the business,
just give them a warning. Let's just take there and go. Yeah,
that's what I was like.
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Speaker 2 (12:07):
Now, mind you, the three cops had you cross the
lake in the boat to even get over there to
where Carl Steven and Anthony wart. Okay, so now they're
about to bring three more people onto this fourteen foot
metal boat. Not even metal, girl, it was aluminum. It
was a fisherman boat, like the little ship boats people
bitch where it's like, okay, two people cool, three people eight,
(12:30):
you know, like cue, so it's gonna be six total.
My eyes could have told you it was not. I
mean I would have looked at it and be like,
maybe all of us shouldn't be in. And as the
boat got about thirty to forty feet away from the shore,
it filled with water and capsized. Oh my gosh, Kristen,
are these boys handcuffed at the time. We're gonna get
to it. Two out of the three deputies were able
(12:52):
to swim to safety, and for the one that couldn't swim,
he was black. Oh shuck, and his name I was
a little funny. I'm not gonna lie. And he held
onto the capsized boat cut like a spider. Oh, he's
just like literally hands feet leg byes until he was
(13:12):
able to be rescued. What about the boys? The boys drowned, Kayla,
they all drowned. Were they handcuffed? Well, according to multiple witnesses,
all three of them were handcuffed. Wow, so even if
they knew how to swim, they were severely handicapped from
(13:32):
being able to do. So this is some dumb ass stuff.
They were handcuffed in a in a tough boat, not
even a tough boat. Bit you didn't even have to
handcuff them for all, or at least put them in
front of them, like I know, they had them straight criminals,
they were, their handcuffs were in the front. But still
it's like, you can't swim like that like that unless
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you're on your back, unless you to like kit kit
kick come up, try to get on your back and
kick your feet. But it's late as hell. You know,
I'm saying, they're probably disoriented. You're already panicking in your
mind because you're handcuffed. Yeah, you know so that probably
led to girl. Yeah that's some traumatic ass stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And you know what makes it even worse, It makes
me even more mad. Is I know that there was
enough time, even if that boat was stupid and small,
there was enough time for them to be like, Okay,
let me try to get some handcuffs off, you stoopid,
or like let me go back save them, like what
like something. Yeah, you're just watching them drown off to
the side. The ones who made it over there right now.
Well we'll hear some claims of what they said that
(14:38):
they did or what happened, you know, but how it looks,
it just doesn't look good. And eight feet of water,
all three of them died, like you know, it's just
like and the only reason they're in that stupid tail
boat is because exactly, wow, fucking horrible. There were later
claims made that the young man sorry that the young
(14:59):
men were not handcuffed, which I call complete bullshit on
because I'm sure at the very least they would have
held onto the boat too, like just exactly. Kenneth Archie,
the black officer, even later claimed that two of the
kids were handcuffed to each other like together. It was
actually Carl and Steven who were the two that could swim.
(15:21):
Is that kind of a little bit ironic that the
two that could swim were handcuffed to each other like
y'all think, I don't like it, and no one knows
what the they were asked before they were put on
that boat. They never asked, Hey, we're about to go,
can you swim you? We don't know what the conversation was.
This is like negligence at its finest, at its highest. Wow.
(15:44):
But when Officer Kenneth was later asked under oath, he
decided to plete the fifth Yeah, he didn't want to
have to say again what. Yeah, it really wentail up
because something went down, very corrupt, very covering mine and
my people's ass. You know, the white people left you
to hang on today day and day you would have
(16:05):
brought you would have drowned too, you stupid. And then
if you to the boat, yeah, which is how we
know they were handcuffed because you got a wigh and
you weren't. They didn't. Ye, they were handcuffed and two
of them know how to swim and they still drowned.
Don't make much sense to money, Oh my god, it
hurts my heart. Really makes their business yep. And these
(16:27):
policemen crost in their lives yep. And it was so
so preventable, so stupid so Stephen and Carl were actually
described as being excellent swimmers, according to NAACP regional director
Richard Dorkery. Dockery he later said, quote, it's very strange
that excellent swimmers would drown in a little lake like that. Girl. Yeah,
(16:53):
I kill the myth. These two black boys just swim. Yeah,
and they still drowned, and they still drove, which we
do know happens. We do know people that can swim
can still drown.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's why I mentioned like their circumstance. If they swim
and they're in the same predicament as the two other
officers that could swim, it will be on the shore
with them off, literally on the shore with the officers.
If not holding onto the boat at th thank you.
You can hold onto the boat and wait, pull yourself up,
make sure you're above water so you don't drown. But
(17:26):
they weren't able to do that, all three of them. Happens, Stanceley,
something's going on. Yeah, some fucking lies. And the public
wasn't buying it either. Good girl, they were thirty eight hot.
Good it's Julle Teefe and you killing our folks yep,
and our kids. Blue, they're high. Anybody happening like this
is oh wait, you know what I'm saying, Like this
(17:46):
is traumatic. We're ready to fight, and imagine their families
ready to fight unbelievable pain. And that's the thing, Like
it's so frustrating because like, Okay, you could say, well,
they wouldn't have been in that situation if they didn't
have weed or pills on them. But it's like, but
does that warrant somebody losing their effing light? No, No,
I don't think we eat and pills is gonna make you.
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So the poem was pissed and they demanded that an
investigation be opened into their debts. M let's talk a
little about who the victims were. Anthony Freeman, who was
the youngest out of the three men. Oh, I can
tell who it is which one the one in the middle,
sister is the one on the left. Soon you see it,
(20:03):
you're not even you're not even questioning it. Even if
you're on Instagram and you see the pictures, you already know, like,
we're not making fun of anybody. It's all love, bitch,
Like I would have jumped in the water and try
to rescue all three of them, So let's start there.
But he does look like he's fifty, and that's okay,
Like it's okay, it was a different time. Head looks
like he's serving thirty six. Uncle. He looks like he's
(20:27):
the father of the other two. Literally but he people
love them, love that. And he was also known as
Rerun because his friends saw he looked like Fred Barry,
who played the character Rerun What's Happening? He loves the
TV show s Sooop's Cute. Carl Baker played piano for
(20:47):
his church every Sunday, and after graduation, he planned to
go to Paul Quinn College in Waco. So he was like,
you know, just getting up on his good foot, ready
to like go experience life up. Stephen Booker played basketball.
He loved playing it and once scored a game winning
half court shot while playing for Mahea High School. Is
(21:08):
that the one on the right, Yes, period, he looks
like a baller. Like these were regular guys, just hanging out,
celebrating their futures, celebrating being black and free, and now
they're just gone. They'll kill you over some pills and
we y'all the pills and we they'll kill you over
untied shoe strings like you know, in a hoodie. So
(21:32):
here we are, almost forty five years later, talking about
what happened to them and honestly, what continues to happen
to so many of us. So rest in peace to Anthony,
Carl and Steven, and our hearts go out to their
families because you know, forty five years they could have
they could have still been here with us. They had children, grandchildren.
(21:53):
Kristen like, Hey, you've seen me talking. It's like you're
watching my mouth screaming. Peace to these beautiful black boys.
But did not deserve to lose their life in an
eight foot lake over some bullshit, over some straight bs. Wow. Wow,
(22:18):
these idiot cops. Yeah, talk about that. We're gonna talk
about their We're gonna get their names and all that
in a little bit because you brought that little fish
boat over here to arrest people. What the fuck did
you even leave for? What was the point? And if
when you have felt the boat get pretty deep with
three people in it, they probably leg ma chiesmo, you know,
(22:41):
giving dumb, He's giving straight up dumb. Some people never
think anything could happen to them, So especially your cop,
you really think you you know, come on, yeah, you
really got to be like egotistical. I feel like, yeah,
they're like, I'm a cop, I can swim, So it's fine.
You know, they weren't concerned with their sat at all. Yeah,
it doesn't seem like they were concerned with their own
(23:02):
or the boys. But definitely not the boys. Definitely not
the boys. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, you guys.
So let's get to the investigation. More details about what
happened that night started to come out. So they learned
that there were no life jackets on the boat, which
is a violation of Texas law period. Too many people
were on the boat in the first place, another violation.
(23:23):
We knew it was a freaking aluminum fishing boat. Like
I said, bitch, the flimmildiest like little shit you could
ever think of, not meant to hold six people. No,
that boat didn't have no lights on it either. You
ain't had no lights. You ain't got no lights on
your vessel? What bitch at eleven o'clock. So you just
(23:44):
popping up in the middle of the night catching niggas
and then saying take the bag and putting handgufs on
it and throwing them on a boat. I'm kidnapped. Kidnap me.
You might as well put a hood over my head.
I'm being kidnapped. Piece. Yes, that's what happened. Oh my god,
horrible no lights it is the later just so damn dumb.
Who even gave them this damn boat anyway? Okay, I'm
(24:06):
just annoyed by it. Look where did they get it from?
Park security? This don't sound like the ops with this
boat showed on shoud on. Also, remember, like I said,
it was dark as hell at the time of the drownings.
But despite the clear negligence that was shown in the
deaths of Carl, Stephen and Anthony and all white jury
(24:27):
in Dallas found the officers, who were twenty three year
olds Kenneth Archie, Kenny Elliott, and then thirty two year
old David Drummond. So they were all found not guilty
of negligent Hama side. It was negligent Hama side. Yeah,
how could you not be guilty? So who was guilty
for killing three? Who takes it the boat? You're gonna
(24:49):
put on the boat shoulders? It was a tragic accident,
Kristin my crack, could never be prevented. Nothing could have
been done to save these men. We talked about three
solid by relations, and that doesn't hold you accountable for anything.
The victims shouldn't have been on the boat in the
first place, and you still walk away scott free, exactly
(25:11):
like I'm sewing the crap out of this free shoes.
Yeah yeah, hey, nobody will know you, mahey, after I'm
done with you. The jury felt like there was no
evidence that the deaths were intentional, and there was no
evidence that the three victims were handcoming. Negligence does not
say intentional. Negligence says, oh, despite of my mistakes of
(25:33):
my lack of something, it doesn't have to be intentional.
But you intentionally put three people on that boat. No
one dog the mall, they don't carry no three people.
Preach like that's intensional. If I've ever heard anything. You
damn you. Y'all have six people on that damn boat
and it was a it's room on that boat for
two people at a bucket bitch, bro a fish you
catch Kayla. They have two officers at their disposal that
(25:55):
can say one can sit here with ye the freaking
people while they wait for two to be transported something.
But they didn't choose to do any of that, Okay.
So from what I read about what was said at
the grand jury hearing, so there was an inquiry, right,
I don't think they ever went to trial actually for
their drownings. There was like an inquiry where you know,
(26:17):
questions were asked, evidence was brought up, whatever, and then
there was a grand jury hearing. So I think the
grand jury hearing is who decided, hey, we're not going
to officially press charges on these people for the negligent
homicide charges. It's sad, it's infuryating, it's not even sad,
it's just piss poor and like the lowest version of
humanity that we could ever come across. It's just hateful
(26:40):
and devilish and at the least it's just a lack
of giveth. Yeah, like you just genuinely did not care
when it came to come to losing three boys lives,
you can give it a sickening, so sickening. Kenna told
investigators that the three men were randomly singled out for
a check and just happened to end up getting arrested because, quote,
every where you looked there was marijuana. Right, So what
(27:03):
are we doing here? I mean, everybody's smoking. Why are
you arresting me? Well, I guess what I'm saying is
like with the three guys where they were, I guess
it was just Marijuanever, they could have had a stem
left over, they could have had a fucking croach. I'm
just saying, like, y'all know what it is like, stop
being out here, even if marijuana is illegal, Okay, take
(27:25):
it from me, leave me alone. It is junete. Give
me a ticket base here in court. You know what
I'm saying? Fine, my ass, like y'all take me and
lock me up for some MJ. And they didn't even
have They have like a makeshift police like station area
precinct in that area specifically for the juneteen celebration, right,
(27:46):
So that's what they were taking. And when they took
them back over to the water they were going to
take into like this makeshift prinsing until they could get
to like an actual jail or whatever. But I'm just like,
just shut up. I don't even have the recey. I
didn't even have the resources to house these men.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
These these boys, these young men, they're smoking a little weird.
Piss offs off. So David Drummond, the oldest out of
the three officers I was there, was the only one
to testify at the inquiry, and he said that none
of the victims were handcuffed when they were on the phone.
You're lying, yes, you're lying. Then how do they drown?
(28:20):
How did they drown? He said, yes, Cal and Stephen
wore handcuffed together when they were initially arrested, like Kenneth
had initially said, but were uncuffed before getting on the boat.
I just don't why, I just don't you handcuffed them
when they're on solid ground. And then when you transporting
(28:40):
the when you're on the small ass boat, you're not
gonna handcuff. You want you want me to believe, you
want me to believe handcuff. And then in the first plays,
stop playing with me. They are talking to the right crowd.
Bitch the dummies. They're talking to the people that they
know they can sell anything too, because these are three
black boys that have weed and pills and that's all
(29:03):
that matters. Yeah, that's all that fucking mattered. So this
is what David said. However, multiple witnesses said that David
was lying period. One witness said that they saw officers
remove handcuffs from at least one body when it was
pulled from the lake. Saw it with their own eyes.
(29:23):
Kayla Christen. Now we're not even talking about negligence, you idiots.
Now we're talking about covering my ass, a cover up,
a whole cover up. Yeah, which is not surprising to anybody.
Of course, they were going to cover their asses and
then sit here and lie and they an't even getting convicted. Yeah,
I couldn't live in this day and age. Then that's
nineteen eighty one, that's forty years ago. There were tens,
(29:44):
if not hundreds of people around when this happened. So
it's like even if well because the person that said this,
they were like, yeah, I was drinking drinking heavily that night.
Everybody was drinking it. Everybody know everybody. But it's like,
I know what I saw. I didn't dream that. Yeah,
like people that'd be like, oh, I don't know what
happened last night. I sometimes had that I had it.
(30:06):
There were also three witnesses from the funeral home that
said his hands were in full rigor mortis. Kristen, I
don't know which victim it was, but they were in
full wig of mortis when he was brought in, and
they were in front of his body, like close together,
which very likely means that that's the position that his
hands were in when he died. My god. And despite
(30:28):
these testimonies, a pathologist named Kenneth Witchstruck testify that there
were no signs of handcuffing on any of the victimses
or effing liars. You cover each other's dusty, dirty bags, yep. Wow.
I would have expected them to pin all of this
on the black That would be more believable. They just
(30:49):
sitting here saying, oh, no, we didn't handcuff them all.
At least tell me, oh, we told the black guy
on Kophim and he didn't, and that's why they all died.
Like I feel like, ultimately it comes down to protect
our officials, protect the blue whatever, protect the blue, even
if they're black. After the inquiry, the chief arresting officer
that day, Sheriff Elliott, was devastated by what happened and
(31:12):
had gone into seclusion. It's because you lie. It's because
it's on the trail, like when you're weak already, that
type of public scrutiny is going to get to you
for sure. And there's a possibility that he just feels
bad because he has like a conscience in there and
it's like eating him up as possible. But it's hard
(31:32):
for us to accept that. And you know, it doesn't
really can't matter because you went along with a lie,
So that means you were weak enough to say, Okay,
I'm just gonna be group mindset right now. Just go
along with it because I want to save my ass too.
So we don't feel damn about your say your guilt
is your problem, and we hope it eats you alive. Yeah,
until you come out and say, what the fuck really happened? Yes,
(31:53):
thank you. His superior said he could have as much
time as he needed to get hit quote his emotions
back together, like, poor guy, we're gonna give you paid
time off where you just killed three people. This is wild.
This is like direct slap in the face. This is
(32:14):
like an error that I'm just so happy we didn't
have to grow up in. Yeah, because for the people
who did, like it's stand near as close as some
slavery type stuff. Throw me over the boat. I'm not
gonna make it to land, bitch. I would have been
gro before they even left the poor hole. I would
have been drowned. Just throw me over drown because I
can't deal with this. No, this is really sad. It's
(32:36):
just so, it's just so sad. It's toxic of hell
and infuriates you. We haven't done an infuriating white black
one white. We actually had white on black crime. That's
what you meant. I think white hyphen black hyphen one crime. Yeah,
(32:57):
we know that we do a few, but like this,
I guess, especially because of all the happiness that was
surrounding this day and this holiday, you come and you
shit on it because you're just in my business. It's
just some dumb stuff, Like it's not intentional, you're intentionally
covering it up because you were stupid stupid in the
first place, exactly. And what's worse is, out of everything
that I read, there was nothing where the officers showed
(33:20):
any remorse or empathy for the deaths of the victims.
Christ like nothing, And if you really didn't do it,
why can't you just be human and say I'm sorry
to the victims families and to the victims, and this
tragedy happened. I feel so terrible that we couldn't do
more to save their lives. So they were so focused
on their fake feelings, which is, oh, we didn't do it,
(33:44):
and they're covering up, coming up. They had no time
to actually be a real human being. Yeah, they didn't
want it, says it was all business. Yeah, they said
no to that as soon as they decided to cover
it up. Years and years after the drownings, a journalist
named Jonathan Coleman spent some time with Karl's mother, who
said that between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty two
she lost two children and her husband. Damn. Yeah, and
(34:09):
then she has another child who's disabled. So this woman
is just like lost loss loss everywhere she's doing pain,
lost pain loss. She said she has unwavering faith in
God and forgives, but says that none of the officers
ever reached out to her to apologize or anything. Never
reached out there and see if she was okay, if
(34:30):
she needed nothing, Not even the black one, just abysmal.
Who raised these cowards? Cowards, straight up cowards, chicken his
Jonathan also interviewed David Drummond in nineteen ninety eight. So
remember David was the oldest officer of the day of
the drownings, and he was now working as an adult
(34:50):
probation officer versus a child. Oh, father, it's a probation. Wow,
you were a shared deputy and you went to it.
Probably good wow, good dog on it. You get a
hard fall. David told John then that the deaths were
(35:12):
an accident, no one acted maliciously, and said that he
actually tried to save one of the boys, but that
the boy kept pulling him down. I mean that all
could be very much true. But you brought that boy
on land dead and you took off the handcuffs. That
changed it all. Like it was negligent. Don't get me wrong,
(35:33):
it was idiotic. Yeah, even if it was an accident,
but the minute you took off his handcuffs, it's no
longer an accident. Buddy, in an accident, you now you
deserve to go to jailsh down period. David said, quote,
arresting in that situation was probably questionable given the potentially
hostile environment we were in. This is what he's saying, Like,
(35:55):
so void of emotion, so void of connection, you want
us to think that you this was unintentional. I'm not
even saying it was intentional, but you want us to
think that this was fully an accident, Like, no accidents
are out of your control, right, this is completely avoidable?
And what the hell was hostile? A bunch of black
people hanging out. No, they're saying, like the waters, you know,
(36:16):
like it could have been choppy, but even if it was,
it's eleven pm at night, bitch you you the only
light you have is the moon. Yeah, Like you're not
prepared trying to arrest. You don't even have you don't
even have lighting on your boat. You don't know where
the fuck you're going for real, It's whatever. Oh God.
He goes on to say though, that when his own
(36:37):
daughter died, oh, in an accident five years earlier, So
he talked to Jonathan nineteen ninety eight. His daughter died
in nineteen ninety three. This happened in nineteen eighty one. Oh, wow,
He said he now could empathize with the pain of
losing a child. That's probably some karma, no shade, no shame,
he felt he made someone Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, David,
(37:03):
sorry for you're lost, But am I like your daughter
probably to deserve it. You know, these loss didn't deserve it,
but they the kids didn't deserve it, and their families
didn't deserve you walking around. It's like you ain't do shit.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Jonathan said he could tell that David was grieving but
also had like guilt running through him as well. So
it probably grieving his daughter, feeling guilty about how he
dealt with the situation with the boys yea, and David
admitted that he heavily regretted how things went that night.
M hm. So I'm sure because you're probably looking at
like karma, like I see you, why you are here?
(37:37):
He probably thought like did I do this? Did I
do this to my own daughter?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
That's hit him. Word hurt. Yeah, it really doesn't hurt
when you take someone else's child. Nope, geez, wow, oh bitch,
I would be distraught. They had to put me in
a home, like I would be in the mental hospital
if I took a kid's life, let alone three, or
it was responsible for doing something so stupid that cause
of that, I would not be okay, saying, like one
of the few professions where you can actually get caught
(38:01):
up killing somebody by doing your job. Like you guys
have to have a different level of responsibility on your shoulders. Yeah, weight, yes,
tangible weight on your shoulders. Understanding of life and death
and appreciation for life, and guess you make better decisions
versus a emotionless attachment to life. Are you a are
you a doctor? Or you're a morgue person? Like you
(38:22):
know what I'm saying. There's certain people that should be
a little bit psychopathic, but not cop not the cop
at all, like, not even one, not even one. Narcissism neither.
And a lot of copts good luckucking diagnosed. They walk
around here with guns, badges, undiagnosed. I'll tell you honestly,
Oftentimes the people that sign up to be police are
(38:45):
the people who were rejects in life. Yeah, the people
that have the least sense, you know, correct, We preach it,
not all y'all, but some of y'all.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Jonathan reached out to Kenny Elliott so that's the guy
who was the chilliant arresting officer that night, Okay. And
he had recently become a Justice of the peace in
Brazos County after being an investigator in their Sheriff's department
for many years. So so you chose peace at the
end of the day, girl, he was It's given. He
may have been forced into just doing some m bitch.
(39:20):
After the drownings, he was basically told, basically forced to
leave Limestone County, Okay. And he was offered a job
over in Brazos. And this is very hard for him
because he had family that was like active chief and
like could be like no, like I want to protect
him and stuff like that. No, they were like, bitch,
get out of here. You got I don't know if
(39:40):
you're staking on me. Yeah, Like you just shot on
my foot. Yeah, so now you got to go.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He was offered a job in Brazos, but it hurt
his ego so bad that he was just like he
felt like he was debauled. Well as he was, because
at least you have a job offer and moved to
Brazos and did b out and see these news on
the weekend when you come over matter of fact, don't
just don't come back. Kenneth Archie, who is the black guy? Okay,
Jonathan got a hold of him briefly, but he never
(40:08):
wanted to talk about the drownings again. He anytime Jonathan
would ask him, He's like, I have nothing to add.
Apparently he was a man of very many or very
few words anyway, so like he was not about to
talk about He just internalized all of that probably or
probably just try to leave it in his past. I
would be surprised if he turned out to be like
heavily alcohol Oh, but for sure, I feel like he
(40:31):
internalized all of that, Like some people need to suffer.
If you're not going to suffer the right way, which
is through the course, because you'll should have been locked up,
then I hope you suffer internally emotions. I think he
would have still suffered though, just because you know, he
had to sit there on that boat, cleaning on watching
them drown. Like it's not just like, oh, where are
they after thirty seconds? Like no, you're watching them struggle
(40:51):
and drown. So it's yeah, for sure, Yeah he's gonna
suffer regardless. There are people close to the officers that
think Kenny Elliott is the one to blame in all
of this. Like I just said, after all, he was young,
and you felt like he had something to prove and
make as many arrests as possible that night. And plus
he wasn't really liked by his fellow Officeriously already he
(41:12):
was like, Okay, let me pull my dick out and
like try to impress. Wow, didn't work. Disgusting. You just
hurt your career in these three boys. In regard to
the man being not handcuffed but still drowning, the county
attorney Patrick Simmons said, quote, there was a bright moon
out that night. I do know that. And if you
knew where you were, where you were going, it seems
(41:34):
like you could swim to shore. Yeah, but if you
were scared or disoriented, well, there's no telling what can
happen when panic sets in. That's fair, not a lie,
not a lie. But I'm sorry. People aren't just gonna
sit here and say, oh, they were handcuffed before, do
you not making that up? No, you're not. What they're
doing is covering it up. Sick. And these boys, if
(41:55):
they really didn't have their hands cuffed, why panic? They
know they've been going down because the boat was constantly
being filled exactly that they couldn't prepare exactly they could
have prepared, Yeah, they would have had seconds, right, thirty
seconds maybe max. But they would have had time to
be like, all right, you know what I'm y'all and
uncleft me. When y'all saw the boat going down, are
(42:17):
you good? Are you good? They were panicking on that boat.
If they still don't have their if they're still this
is just pissing me off. I ain't never seen nobody
just jump in the water and just lay there and
just hold the water, just take You need to tell
me like, no, no, we're not playing. Nope, nope, nope,
we don't believe it, not us, Nope not. I said
the rabbit. And that's pretty much our case for the Comanche. Three.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Woo wee.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Christen, I'm pissed. Some of you may be thinking they
were intentionally drowned, so maybe thinking like they were just
in the right place but in the wrong circumstance. M
we want to know what you guys think. It's just
fucking ridiculous. I think it was negligent murder and I
think they should have went down for it. To you
(43:03):
to jail, bitch to you lose j Yeah, at the
very very very least, lose your job, lose everything and
never be able to go back, like have to find
a whole new bro, post your face on TV, like
all the things like humiliate Chris. Yeah, lose your job,
you have to move to another place because and that's
(43:24):
the least if not go to jail. And speaking of bit,
I looked everyone on this damn internet for pictures of
these you didn't even see him. And it's so crazy
because as recently as to what twenty twenty one, I
think Jonathan like ran into one of them or or
reached out to one of them. Again, I think it
was David. The niggas was still alive, Like, these men
are still alive. So where are your pictures?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah? Like why didn't we know who did it?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Why did I protect face? The name?
Speaker 4 (43:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Why are you being protected? Exactly? So, if you guys
have any way of like finding some pictures of these people,
I would love for you to share it with us
so we can share it with everyone. The names are
what David Drummond, Kenny Elliott and Kenids what's his last name?
(44:12):
Chow it was something silly. No, please just go back
on for your second a few minutes. Shit, but yes,
thank you guys so much for listening to this case
Happy June teeth. I know it's a couple of days after,
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(44:35):
and rest in peace to Anthony, Carl and Steven rest
in peace. We're so sorry you guys, Like I actually
feel something when I look at their pictures. I feel
like there's something in their eyes and it just hurts. Yeah,
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to fight. These people actually keep trying to put us
in a dirt over dumb shit, over dumb stuff and
(44:56):
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Oh well, yeah, I was gonna say Happy Juneteenth, but
that's clearly what the show is about. Okay, Happy jute
teenth anyway, Happy Juneteenth, y'all. All right, let's get started.
As most of us know, on June nineteenth, nineteen sixty five,
a man rode into Texas, home to more than two
(03:56):
hundred thousand enslaved people, to tell them that they were
now free. And all of the Emancipation Proclamation was signed
two years earlier, and the Civil War had been over
for what I think it was like seventy one days
at that time. We mark this day as a day
of our liberation, per and it has been a celebration
ever since. But with celebration comes hateration, uh oh, from
(04:21):
the people that don't want us to be great. And
in nineteen eighty one, three young men died in less
than eight feet of water. Oh my gosh, while celebrating
their freedom and their greatness. No, and today I'm going
to try to tell the story of the worst part
of their life. Literally, geezus release yep, so join us
(04:42):
today as we discussed what happened to the Comanche three,
the Commandite three, girl, I just saw a restaurant named
KAMANCHI really Comancho, sorry fucking annoy, Okay, I was wrong.
Comanchos Okay. I have good food, Okay, Mexican, I love Mexican.
(05:04):
I know this week's case takes us to nineteen eighty
one Waco, Texas. Ooh, Waco, we know Waco, well, technically
not Waco. Oh Okay a city called Mahea Mahea. It's
spelled like Mexia, but it's Mahea, Okay, which is about
a forty five minute drive from Waco, And from what
I read in multiple different places, it was the home
(05:28):
to the first Juneteenth celebrations in Texas. Woo. Some places
say even the entire nation. Oh wow. They literally told
me at work that they were driving through Texas one
day and they saw this fat ass celebration on this
small ass town and everybody was celebrating juneteen. So they
like pulled over and just watched the parade. Go this
(05:49):
literally may be the city I think we're gonna get.
It could be. That's actually really cool. And these celebrations
date back to eighteen sixty six, which was just one
year after the official announcement was made in Texas. So
they were like, we're free, and then started every single
year celebrating it. I thought that was pretty cool. Wait
(06:09):
to start a tradition immediately exactly, we will never forget.
We could learn something from that. And in eighteen ninety eight,
a park was dedicated to specifically celebrate juneteen celebrations every
year period. The area was sometimes known as the Comanche Crossing,
but was officially named the Booker T. Washington Park. Okay,
(06:33):
so if you're on what's that called What's up? It's
called Patreon. There we go. If you're on Patreon, you
guys see a bunch of pictures that I included of
just different juneteen celebrations throughout the year. They used to
decorate their carriages. It's given Davenports. It does get money.
(06:53):
They have money, period. These two women were actually the
daughters of a pastor. It literally the daven Park. Shout
out to the book called The Davenports You guys, the
author is amazing. Forget her name, Christy something Marquis, Crystal Marquee.
Shout out to the Davenports book. You should totally listen
to it. I mean watch it. I listened to it
on audiobooks, but you can read, read it and watch it.
(07:15):
It was wrong on all accounts. But yeah, as you
can see in this picture, they have like a picture
of Abraham Lincoln hung up and stuff. My brother house.
Pretty cool. They just gathering. They put that shit on
period of the instruments and they're celebrating with each other.
Look at the kids looking good. I love it. I
(07:35):
love it. And for all those two hundred years, black
people from all over north central Texas would come to
Booker T. Washington Park and celebrate together. Okay, and the
parties would usually go into the later part of the night,
which brings us to the juneteen celebration at Booker T.
Washington Park in nineteen eighty one, which is where our
case begins. No, no, no, I do want to tell
(07:58):
you guys that this case was like really hard for
me to research and write because a lot of the
information about the victims and like what happened had been
shared online via people's personal experiences, right like the people
that were there, from journalists to family members, you know,
to other people celebrating that night that were there and
witness would happen. Yeah, so it was a lot of
(08:19):
stuff to sift through. Okay, my best girl, we trust you.
We try to give you, guys the meat and potatoes
of what happened to who later would be named the
Command GI three. Meat and potatoes. Meat and potatoes, Meat
and potatoes. So before we get into everything, everything we
need a little bit more context about the area before
we get started. So the park is located on the
(08:42):
north side of a lake called Lake Mahea, Okay. And
as part of the celebrations and festivities, people would party
on their little boats, their little you know, they had
like their little que fishermen boats and like bigger boats
and stuff like that. And then there was like a
bridge that spanned across the lake, Okay, from one side
of it to the other. Well, on this particular juneteen celebration,
(09:04):
there were three sheriff deputies who were at a temporary
command post in a red cabin across the lake from
the party. So we know, like as soon as they
see a big black gathering, they have to surveil us,
you know, and like, I don't know, stake us out.
So that's what they were doing. They were just there
watching what was happening whatever. And at some point that
(09:26):
night they decided to leave their posts, Okay, unwarranted. They
weren't acts too, they just didn't. And according to articles,
they tried to cross the bridge on wheels but couldn't
get across because of the crowd, so they decided to
cross the lake via boat. Okay, Okay, simple enough.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
At least they weren't like, get the off the bridge,
like just seeing annoying fire, super annoyed. They were being
super annoying, but it could have been worse, right, mm hmm.
Once they crossed, they ended up arresting eighteen year old
Anthony Freeman, nineteen year old Carl Baker, and nineteen year
old Even Booker. Why, girl, we're gonna get to it.
(10:04):
So Steven was from Dallas and Carl and Anthony were
from Heya. Oh now these are their pictures from their
high school yearbooks. Yeah, and I'm like, dang, it was
black and white you back then, nineteen eighty one. Yeah,
well girl, I think they didn't start doing like actual
year but pictures in color to like two thousands. Actually,
(10:24):
I think it was the look for a little bit.
Oh it sucks, Okay, yeah, maybe this was like their
senior pictures or something. Yeah, something cute because they all
did graduate, Like they were all graduated by the time
the celebration happened. Okay. They were arrested that day for
possession of marijuana and possession of pills. Damn. So y'all
in their business like they were probably just kicking it
(10:47):
out here like celebrating June teen. Yep, I think it
was after eleven pm. So it's kind of just like
y'all left y'all post for no reason. Then you've happened
upon a group of black men that are just hanging out.
They're doing illegal things and even if you found the business,
just give them a warning. Let's just take there and go. Yeah,
that's what I was like.
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Speaker 2 (12:07):
Now, mind you, the three cops had you cross the
lake in the boat to even get over there to
where Carl Steven and Anthony wart. Okay, so now they're
about to bring three more people onto this fourteen foot
metal boat. Not even metal, girl, it was aluminum. It
was a fisherman boat, like the little ship boats people
bitch where it's like, okay, two people cool, three people eight,
(12:30):
you know, like cue, so it's gonna be six total.
My eyes could have told you it was not. I
mean I would have looked at it and be like,
maybe all of us shouldn't be in. And as the
boat got about thirty to forty feet away from the shore,
it filled with water and capsized. Oh my gosh, Kristen,
are these boys handcuffed at the time. We're gonna get
to it. Two out of the three deputies were able
(12:52):
to swim to safety, and for the one that couldn't swim,
he was black. Oh shuck, and his name I was
a little funny. I'm not gonna lie. And he held
onto the capsized boat cut like a spider. Oh, he's
just like literally hands feet leg byes until he was
(13:12):
able to be rescued. What about the boys? The boys drowned, Kayla,
they all drowned. Were they handcuffed? Well, according to multiple witnesses,
all three of them were handcuffed. Wow, so even if
they knew how to swim, they were severely handicapped from
(13:32):
being able to do. So this is some dumb ass stuff.
They were handcuffed in a in a tough boat, not
even a tough boat. Bit you didn't even have to
handcuff them for all, or at least put them in
front of them, like I know, they had them straight criminals,
they were, their handcuffs were in the front. But still
it's like, you can't swim like that like that unless
(13:56):
you're on your back, unless you to like kit kit
kick come up, try to get on your back and
kick your feet. But it's late as hell. You know,
I'm saying, they're probably disoriented. You're already panicking in your
mind because you're handcuffed. Yeah, you know so that probably
led to girl. Yeah that's some traumatic ass stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And you know what makes it even worse, It makes
me even more mad. Is I know that there was
enough time, even if that boat was stupid and small,
there was enough time for them to be like, Okay,
let me try to get some handcuffs off, you stoopid,
or like let me go back save them, like what
like something. Yeah, you're just watching them drown off to
the side. The ones who made it over there right now.
Well we'll hear some claims of what they said that
(14:38):
they did or what happened, you know, but how it looks,
it just doesn't look good. And eight feet of water,
all three of them died, like you know, it's just
like and the only reason they're in that stupid tail
boat is because exactly, wow, fucking horrible. There were later
claims made that the young man sorry that the young
(14:59):
men were not handcuffed, which I call complete bullshit on
because I'm sure at the very least they would have
held onto the boat too, like just exactly. Kenneth Archie,
the black officer, even later claimed that two of the
kids were handcuffed to each other like together. It was
actually Carl and Steven who were the two that could swim.
(15:21):
Is that kind of a little bit ironic that the
two that could swim were handcuffed to each other like
y'all think, I don't like it, and no one knows
what the they were asked before they were put on
that boat. They never asked, Hey, we're about to go,
can you swim you? We don't know what the conversation was.
This is like negligence at its finest, at its highest. Wow.
(15:44):
But when Officer Kenneth was later asked under oath, he
decided to plete the fifth Yeah, he didn't want to
have to say again what. Yeah, it really wentail up
because something went down, very corrupt, very covering mine and
my people's ass. You know, the white people left you
to hang on today day and day you would have
(16:05):
brought you would have drowned too, you stupid. And then
if you to the boat, yeah, which is how we
know they were handcuffed because you got a wigh and
you weren't. They didn't. Ye, they were handcuffed and two
of them know how to swim and they still drowned.
Don't make much sense to money, Oh my god, it
hurts my heart. Really makes their business yep. And these
(16:27):
policemen crost in their lives yep. And it was so
so preventable, so stupid so Stephen and Carl were actually
described as being excellent swimmers, according to NAACP regional director
Richard Dorkery. Dockery he later said, quote, it's very strange
that excellent swimmers would drown in a little lake like that. Girl. Yeah,
(16:53):
I kill the myth. These two black boys just swim. Yeah,
and they still drowned, and they still drove, which we
do know happens. We do know people that can swim
can still drown.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
You know.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's why I mentioned like their circumstance. If they swim
and they're in the same predicament as the two other
officers that could swim, it will be on the shore
with them off, literally on the shore with the officers.
If not holding onto the boat at th thank you.
You can hold onto the boat and wait, pull yourself up,
make sure you're above water so you don't drown. But
(17:26):
they weren't able to do that, all three of them. Happens, Stanceley,
something's going on. Yeah, some fucking lies. And the public
wasn't buying it either. Good girl, they were thirty eight hot.
Good it's Julle Teefe and you killing our folks yep,
and our kids. Blue, they're high. Anybody happening like this
is oh wait, you know what I'm saying, Like this
(17:46):
is traumatic. We're ready to fight, and imagine their families
ready to fight unbelievable pain. And that's the thing, Like
it's so frustrating because like, Okay, you could say, well,
they wouldn't have been in that situation if they didn't
have weed or pills on them. But it's like, but
does that warrant somebody losing their effing light? No, No,
I don't think we eat and pills is gonna make you.
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So the poem was pissed and they demanded that an
investigation be opened into their debts. M let's talk a
little about who the victims were. Anthony Freeman, who was
the youngest out of the three men. Oh, I can
tell who it is which one the one in the middle,
sister is the one on the left. Soon you see it,
(20:03):
you're not even you're not even questioning it. Even if
you're on Instagram and you see the pictures, you already know, like,
we're not making fun of anybody. It's all love, bitch,
Like I would have jumped in the water and try
to rescue all three of them, So let's start there.
But he does look like he's fifty, and that's okay,
Like it's okay, it was a different time. Head looks
like he's serving thirty six. Uncle. He looks like he's
(20:27):
the father of the other two. Literally but he people
love them, love that. And he was also known as
Rerun because his friends saw he looked like Fred Barry,
who played the character Rerun What's Happening? He loves the
TV show s Sooop's Cute. Carl Baker played piano for
(20:47):
his church every Sunday, and after graduation, he planned to
go to Paul Quinn College in Waco. So he was like,
you know, just getting up on his good foot, ready
to like go experience life up. Stephen Booker played basketball.
He loved playing it and once scored a game winning
half court shot while playing for Mahea High School. Is
(21:08):
that the one on the right, Yes, period, he looks
like a baller. Like these were regular guys, just hanging out,
celebrating their futures, celebrating being black and free, and now
they're just gone. They'll kill you over some pills and
we y'all the pills and we they'll kill you over
untied shoe strings like you know, in a hoodie. So
(21:32):
here we are, almost forty five years later, talking about
what happened to them and honestly, what continues to happen
to so many of us. So rest in peace to Anthony,
Carl and Steven, and our hearts go out to their
families because you know, forty five years they could have
they could have still been here with us. They had children, grandchildren.
(21:53):
Kristen like, Hey, you've seen me talking. It's like you're
watching my mouth screaming. Peace to these beautiful black boys.
But did not deserve to lose their life in an
eight foot lake over some bullshit, over some straight bs. Wow. Wow,
(22:18):
these idiot cops. Yeah, talk about that. We're gonna talk
about their We're gonna get their names and all that
in a little bit because you brought that little fish
boat over here to arrest people. What the fuck did
you even leave for? What was the point? And if
when you have felt the boat get pretty deep with
three people in it, they probably leg ma chiesmo, you know,
(22:41):
giving dumb, He's giving straight up dumb. Some people never
think anything could happen to them, So especially your cop,
you really think you you know, come on, yeah, you
really got to be like egotistical. I feel like, yeah,
they're like, I'm a cop, I can swim, So it's fine.
You know, they weren't concerned with their sat at all. Yeah,
it doesn't seem like they were concerned with their own
(23:02):
or the boys. But definitely not the boys. Definitely not
the boys. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, you guys.
So let's get to the investigation. More details about what
happened that night started to come out. So they learned
that there were no life jackets on the boat, which
is a violation of Texas law period. Too many people
were on the boat in the first place, another violation.
(23:23):
We knew it was a freaking aluminum fishing boat. Like
I said, bitch, the flimmildiest like little shit you could
ever think of, not meant to hold six people. No,
that boat didn't have no lights on it either. You
ain't had no lights. You ain't got no lights on
your vessel? What bitch at eleven o'clock. So you just
(23:44):
popping up in the middle of the night catching niggas
and then saying take the bag and putting handgufs on
it and throwing them on a boat. I'm kidnapped. Kidnap me.
You might as well put a hood over my head.
I'm being kidnapped. Piece. Yes, that's what happened. Oh my god,
horrible no lights it is the later just so damn dumb.
Who even gave them this damn boat anyway? Okay, I'm
(24:06):
just annoyed by it. Look where did they get it from?
Park security? This don't sound like the ops with this
boat showed on shoud on. Also, remember, like I said,
it was dark as hell at the time of the drownings.
But despite the clear negligence that was shown in the
deaths of Carl, Stephen and Anthony and all white jury
(24:27):
in Dallas found the officers, who were twenty three year
olds Kenneth Archie, Kenny Elliott, and then thirty two year
old David Drummond. So they were all found not guilty
of negligent Hama side. It was negligent Hama side. Yeah,
how could you not be guilty? So who was guilty
for killing three? Who takes it the boat? You're gonna
(24:49):
put on the boat shoulders? It was a tragic accident,
Kristin my crack, could never be prevented. Nothing could have
been done to save these men. We talked about three
solid by relations, and that doesn't hold you accountable for anything.
The victims shouldn't have been on the boat in the
first place, and you still walk away scott free, exactly
(25:11):
like I'm sewing the crap out of this free shoes.
Yeah yeah, hey, nobody will know you, mahey, after I'm
done with you. The jury felt like there was no
evidence that the deaths were intentional, and there was no
evidence that the three victims were handcoming. Negligence does not
say intentional. Negligence says, oh, despite of my mistakes of
(25:33):
my lack of something, it doesn't have to be intentional.
But you intentionally put three people on that boat. No
one dog the mall, they don't carry no three people.
Preach like that's intensional. If I've ever heard anything. You
damn you. Y'all have six people on that damn boat
and it was a it's room on that boat for
two people at a bucket bitch, bro a fish you
catch Kayla. They have two officers at their disposal that
(25:55):
can say one can sit here with ye the freaking
people while they wait for two to be transported something.
But they didn't choose to do any of that, Okay.
So from what I read about what was said at
the grand jury hearing, so there was an inquiry, right,
I don't think they ever went to trial actually for
their drownings. There was like an inquiry where you know,
(26:17):
questions were asked, evidence was brought up, whatever, and then
there was a grand jury hearing. So I think the
grand jury hearing is who decided, hey, we're not going
to officially press charges on these people for the negligent
homicide charges. It's sad, it's infuryating, it's not even sad,
it's just piss poor and like the lowest version of
humanity that we could ever come across. It's just hateful
(26:40):
and devilish and at the least it's just a lack
of giveth. Yeah, like you just genuinely did not care
when it came to come to losing three boys lives,
you can give it a sickening, so sickening. Kenna told
investigators that the three men were randomly singled out for
a check and just happened to end up getting arrested because, quote,
every where you looked there was marijuana. Right, So what
(27:03):
are we doing here? I mean, everybody's smoking. Why are
you arresting me? Well, I guess what I'm saying is
like with the three guys where they were, I guess
it was just Marijuanever, they could have had a stem
left over, they could have had a fucking croach. I'm
just saying, like, y'all know what it is like, stop
being out here, even if marijuana is illegal, Okay, take
(27:25):
it from me, leave me alone. It is junete. Give
me a ticket base here in court. You know what
I'm saying? Fine, my ass, like y'all take me and
lock me up for some MJ. And they didn't even
have They have like a makeshift police like station area
precinct in that area specifically for the juneteen celebration, right,
(27:46):
So that's what they were taking. And when they took
them back over to the water they were going to
take into like this makeshift prinsing until they could get
to like an actual jail or whatever. But I'm just like,
just shut up. I don't even have the recey. I
didn't even have the resources to house these men.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
These these boys, these young men, they're smoking a little weird.
Piss offs off. So David Drummond, the oldest out of
the three officers I was there, was the only one
to testify at the inquiry, and he said that none
of the victims were handcuffed when they were on the phone.
You're lying, yes, you're lying. Then how do they drown?
(28:20):
How did they drown? He said, yes, Cal and Stephen
wore handcuffed together when they were initially arrested, like Kenneth
had initially said, but were uncuffed before getting on the boat.
I just don't why, I just don't you handcuffed them
when they're on solid ground. And then when you transporting
(28:40):
the when you're on the small ass boat, you're not
gonna handcuff. You want you want me to believe, you
want me to believe handcuff. And then in the first plays,
stop playing with me. They are talking to the right crowd.
Bitch the dummies. They're talking to the people that they
know they can sell anything too, because these are three
black boys that have weed and pills and that's all
(29:03):
that matters. Yeah, that's all that fucking mattered. So this
is what David said. However, multiple witnesses said that David
was lying period. One witness said that they saw officers
remove handcuffs from at least one body when it was
pulled from the lake. Saw it with their own eyes.
(29:23):
Kayla Christen. Now we're not even talking about negligence, you idiots.
Now we're talking about covering my ass, a cover up,
a whole cover up. Yeah, which is not surprising to anybody.
Of course, they were going to cover their asses and
then sit here and lie and they an't even getting convicted. Yeah,
I couldn't live in this day and age. Then that's
nineteen eighty one, that's forty years ago. There were tens,
(29:44):
if not hundreds of people around when this happened. So
it's like even if well because the person that said this,
they were like, yeah, I was drinking drinking heavily that night.
Everybody was drinking it. Everybody know everybody. But it's like,
I know what I saw. I didn't dream that. Yeah,
like people that'd be like, oh, I don't know what
happened last night. I sometimes had that I had it.
(30:06):
There were also three witnesses from the funeral home that
said his hands were in full rigor mortis. Kristen, I
don't know which victim it was, but they were in
full wig of mortis when he was brought in, and
they were in front of his body, like close together,
which very likely means that that's the position that his
hands were in when he died. My god. And despite
(30:28):
these testimonies, a pathologist named Kenneth Witchstruck testify that there
were no signs of handcuffing on any of the victimses
or effing liars. You cover each other's dusty, dirty bags, yep. Wow.
I would have expected them to pin all of this
on the black That would be more believable. They just
(30:49):
sitting here saying, oh, no, we didn't handcuff them all.
At least tell me, oh, we told the black guy
on Kophim and he didn't, and that's why they all died.
Like I feel like, ultimately it comes down to protect
our officials, protect the blue whatever, protect the blue, even
if they're black. After the inquiry, the chief arresting officer
that day, Sheriff Elliott, was devastated by what happened and
(31:12):
had gone into seclusion. It's because you lie. It's because
it's on the trail, like when you're weak already, that
type of public scrutiny is going to get to you
for sure. And there's a possibility that he just feels
bad because he has like a conscience in there and
it's like eating him up as possible. But it's hard
(31:32):
for us to accept that. And you know, it doesn't
really can't matter because you went along with a lie,
So that means you were weak enough to say, Okay,
I'm just gonna be group mindset right now. Just go
along with it because I want to save my ass too.
So we don't feel damn about your say your guilt
is your problem, and we hope it eats you alive. Yeah,
until you come out and say, what the fuck really happened? Yes,
(31:53):
thank you. His superior said he could have as much
time as he needed to get hit quote his emotions
back together, like, poor guy, we're gonna give you paid
time off where you just killed three people. This is wild.
This is like direct slap in the face. This is
(32:14):
like an error that I'm just so happy we didn't
have to grow up in. Yeah, because for the people
who did, like it's stand near as close as some
slavery type stuff. Throw me over the boat. I'm not
gonna make it to land, bitch. I would have been
gro before they even left the poor hole. I would
have been drowned. Just throw me over drown because I
can't deal with this. No, this is really sad. It's
(32:36):
just so, it's just so sad. It's toxic of hell
and infuriates you. We haven't done an infuriating white black
one white. We actually had white on black crime. That's
what you meant. I think white hyphen black hyphen one crime. Yeah,
(32:57):
we know that we do a few, but like this,
I guess, especially because of all the happiness that was
surrounding this day and this holiday, you come and you
shit on it because you're just in my business. It's
just some dumb stuff, Like it's not intentional, you're intentionally
covering it up because you were stupid stupid in the
first place, exactly. And what's worse is, out of everything
that I read, there was nothing where the officers showed
(33:20):
any remorse or empathy for the deaths of the victims.
Christ like nothing, And if you really didn't do it,
why can't you just be human and say I'm sorry
to the victims families and to the victims, and this
tragedy happened. I feel so terrible that we couldn't do
more to save their lives. So they were so focused
on their fake feelings, which is, oh, we didn't do it,
(33:44):
and they're covering up, coming up. They had no time
to actually be a real human being. Yeah, they didn't
want it, says it was all business. Yeah, they said
no to that as soon as they decided to cover
it up. Years and years after the drownings, a journalist
named Jonathan Coleman spent some time with Karl's mother, who
said that between nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty two
she lost two children and her husband. Damn. Yeah, and
(34:09):
then she has another child who's disabled. So this woman
is just like lost loss loss everywhere she's doing pain,
lost pain loss. She said she has unwavering faith in
God and forgives, but says that none of the officers
ever reached out to her to apologize or anything. Never
reached out there and see if she was okay, if
(34:30):
she needed nothing, Not even the black one, just abysmal.
Who raised these cowards? Cowards, straight up cowards, chicken his
Jonathan also interviewed David Drummond in nineteen ninety eight. So
remember David was the oldest officer of the day of
the drownings, and he was now working as an adult
(34:50):
probation officer versus a child. Oh, father, it's a probation. Wow,
you were a shared deputy and you went to it.
Probably good wow, good dog on it. You get a
hard fall. David told John then that the deaths were
(35:12):
an accident, no one acted maliciously, and said that he
actually tried to save one of the boys, but that
the boy kept pulling him down. I mean that all
could be very much true. But you brought that boy
on land dead and you took off the handcuffs. That
changed it all. Like it was negligent. Don't get me wrong,
(35:33):
it was idiotic. Yeah, even if it was an accident,
but the minute you took off his handcuffs, it's no
longer an accident. Buddy, in an accident, you now you
deserve to go to jailsh down period. David said, quote,
arresting in that situation was probably questionable given the potentially
hostile environment we were in. This is what he's saying, Like,
(35:55):
so void of emotion, so void of connection, you want
us to think that you this was unintentional. I'm not
even saying it was intentional, but you want us to
think that this was fully an accident, Like, no accidents
are out of your control, right, this is completely avoidable?
And what the hell was hostile? A bunch of black
people hanging out. No, they're saying, like the waters, you know,
(36:16):
like it could have been choppy, but even if it was,
it's eleven pm at night, bitch you you the only
light you have is the moon. Yeah, Like you're not
prepared trying to arrest. You don't even have you don't
even have lighting on your boat. You don't know where
the fuck you're going for real, It's whatever. Oh God.
He goes on to say though, that when his own
(36:37):
daughter died, oh, in an accident five years earlier, So
he talked to Jonathan nineteen ninety eight. His daughter died
in nineteen ninety three. This happened in nineteen eighty one. Oh, wow,
He said he now could empathize with the pain of
losing a child. That's probably some karma, no shade, no shame,
he felt he made someone Yeah yeah, so uh yeah, David,
(37:03):
sorry for you're lost, But am I like your daughter
probably to deserve it. You know, these loss didn't deserve it,
but they the kids didn't deserve it, and their families
didn't deserve you walking around. It's like you ain't do shit.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Jonathan said he could tell that David was grieving but
also had like guilt running through him as well. So
it probably grieving his daughter, feeling guilty about how he
dealt with the situation with the boys yea, and David
admitted that he heavily regretted how things went that night.
M hm. So I'm sure because you're probably looking at
like karma, like I see you, why you are here?
(37:37):
He probably thought like did I do this? Did I
do this to my own daughter?
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Yep?
Speaker 2 (37:41):
That's hit him. Word hurt. Yeah, it really doesn't hurt
when you take someone else's child. Nope, geez, wow, oh bitch,
I would be distraught. They had to put me in
a home, like I would be in the mental hospital
if I took a kid's life, let alone three, or
it was responsible for doing something so stupid that cause
of that, I would not be okay, saying, like one
of the few professions where you can actually get caught
(38:01):
up killing somebody by doing your job. Like you guys
have to have a different level of responsibility on your shoulders. Yeah, weight, yes,
tangible weight on your shoulders. Understanding of life and death
and appreciation for life, and guess you make better decisions
versus a emotionless attachment to life. Are you a are
you a doctor? Or you're a morgue person? Like you
(38:22):
know what I'm saying. There's certain people that should be
a little bit psychopathic, but not cop not the cop
at all, like, not even one, not even one. Narcissism neither.
And a lot of copts good luckucking diagnosed. They walk
around here with guns, badges, undiagnosed. I'll tell you honestly,
Oftentimes the people that sign up to be police are
(38:45):
the people who were rejects in life. Yeah, the people
that have the least sense, you know, correct, We preach it,
not all y'all, but some of y'all.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Jonathan reached out to Kenny Elliott so that's the guy
who was the chilliant arresting officer that night, Okay. And
he had recently become a Justice of the peace in
Brazos County after being an investigator in their Sheriff's department
for many years. So so you chose peace at the
end of the day, girl, he was It's given. He
may have been forced into just doing some m bitch.
(39:20):
After the drownings, he was basically told, basically forced to
leave Limestone County, Okay. And he was offered a job
over in Brazos. And this is very hard for him
because he had family that was like active chief and
like could be like no, like I want to protect
him and stuff like that. No, they were like, bitch,
get out of here. You got I don't know if
(39:40):
you're staking on me. Yeah, Like you just shot on
my foot. Yeah, so now you got to go.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
He was offered a job in Brazos, but it hurt
his ego so bad that he was just like he
felt like he was debauled. Well as he was, because
at least you have a job offer and moved to
Brazos and did b out and see these news on
the weekend when you come over matter of fact, don't
just don't come back. Kenneth Archie, who is the black guy? Okay,
Jonathan got a hold of him briefly, but he never
(40:08):
wanted to talk about the drownings again. He anytime Jonathan
would ask him, He's like, I have nothing to add.
Apparently he was a man of very many or very
few words anyway, so like he was not about to
talk about He just internalized all of that probably or
probably just try to leave it in his past. I
would be surprised if he turned out to be like
heavily alcohol Oh, but for sure, I feel like he
(40:31):
internalized all of that, Like some people need to suffer.
If you're not going to suffer the right way, which
is through the course, because you'll should have been locked up,
then I hope you suffer internally emotions. I think he
would have still suffered though, just because you know, he
had to sit there on that boat, cleaning on watching
them drown. Like it's not just like, oh, where are
they after thirty seconds? Like no, you're watching them struggle
(40:51):
and drown. So it's yeah, for sure, Yeah he's gonna
suffer regardless. There are people close to the officers that
think Kenny Elliott is the one to blame in all
of this. Like I just said, after all, he was young,
and you felt like he had something to prove and
make as many arrests as possible that night. And plus
he wasn't really liked by his fellow Officeriously already he
(41:12):
was like, Okay, let me pull my dick out and
like try to impress. Wow, didn't work. Disgusting. You just
hurt your career in these three boys. In regard to
the man being not handcuffed but still drowning, the county
attorney Patrick Simmons said, quote, there was a bright moon
out that night. I do know that. And if you
knew where you were, where you were going, it seems
(41:34):
like you could swim to shore. Yeah, but if you
were scared or disoriented, well, there's no telling what can
happen when panic sets in. That's fair, not a lie,
not a lie. But I'm sorry. People aren't just gonna
sit here and say, oh, they were handcuffed before, do
you not making that up? No, you're not. What they're
doing is covering it up. Sick. And these boys, if
(41:55):
they really didn't have their hands cuffed, why panic? They
know they've been going down because the boat was constantly
being filled exactly that they couldn't prepare exactly they could
have prepared, Yeah, they would have had seconds, right, thirty
seconds maybe max. But they would have had time to
be like, all right, you know what I'm y'all and
uncleft me. When y'all saw the boat going down, are
(42:17):
you good? Are you good? They were panicking on that boat.
If they still don't have their if they're still this
is just pissing me off. I ain't never seen nobody
just jump in the water and just lay there and
just hold the water, just take You need to tell
me like, no, no, we're not playing. Nope, nope, nope,
we don't believe it, not us, Nope not. I said
the rabbit. And that's pretty much our case for the Comanche. Three.
Speaker 3 (42:41):
Woo wee.
Speaker 2 (42:42):
Christen, I'm pissed. Some of you may be thinking they
were intentionally drowned, so maybe thinking like they were just
in the right place but in the wrong circumstance. M
we want to know what you guys think. It's just
fucking ridiculous. I think it was negligent murder and I
think they should have went down for it. To you
(43:03):
to jail, bitch to you lose j Yeah, at the
very very very least, lose your job, lose everything and
never be able to go back, like have to find
a whole new bro, post your face on TV, like
all the things like humiliate Chris. Yeah, lose your job,
you have to move to another place because and that's
(43:24):
the least if not go to jail. And speaking of bit,
I looked everyone on this damn internet for pictures of
these you didn't even see him. And it's so crazy
because as recently as to what twenty twenty one, I
think Jonathan like ran into one of them or or
reached out to one of them. Again, I think it
was David. The niggas was still alive, Like, these men
are still alive. So where are your pictures?
Speaker 4 (43:46):
It?
Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yeah? Like why didn't we know who did it?
Speaker 4 (43:49):
Like?
Speaker 2 (43:49):
Why did I protect face? The name?
Speaker 4 (43:52):
You know?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Why are you being protected? Exactly? So, if you guys
have any way of like finding some pictures of these people,
I would love for you to share it with us
so we can share it with everyone. The names are
what David Drummond, Kenny Elliott and Kenids what's his last name?
(44:12):
Chow it was something silly. No, please just go back
on for your second a few minutes. Shit, but yes,
thank you guys so much for listening to this case
Happy June teeth. I know it's a couple of days after,
but we're still on that period. We're liberated all year
(44:35):
and rest in peace to Anthony, Carl and Steven rest
in peace. We're so sorry you guys, Like I actually
feel something when I look at their pictures. I feel
like there's something in their eyes and it just hurts. Yeah,
it does. It just hurts. And we have to continue
to fight. These people actually keep trying to put us
in a dirt over dumb shit, over dumb stuff and
(44:56):
lies like no, and they stand up for each other,
you know. Yeah, So we love you guys so much.
Thank you so much. Don't forget your life. First tickets
for Chicago and Vegas go on sale. Oh my fucking god,
Christen Vegas is gonna be a don't even get me started.
Vegas is like my favorite place on the whole world,
(45:16):
in the whole world. So we're gonna go crazy. Chicago
we've never been, so we're already just like foaming at
the mouth, salivating at them out to get out there,
so we're excited July first. Buy your tickets, y'all. I
probably have like a little coupon going for a little bit.
We'll see. Keep keep yourselves posted. We love a cupon.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
We do, we do.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
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