EP. 7- The LaLaurie Mansion

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We good, la lorry, la lorry, let's start recording
this shit, let's run it.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
La lorry, la lorry, jake, I'm tired.
La lorry, la lorry, episode 7.
Episode 7.
Hey, happy fester.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
We good.
All right, baby, we're live.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, we're rolling, we're live.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Episode seven.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
I've been actually recording this whole time.
A little behind the scenes onhow everyone could finally see
how Jake treats me.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Oh funny.
You can also hear how much hemakes me run like a crazy person
to get everything set up, whilehe's checking his show notes in
a very calm, relaxed manner,going over the show notes.
Baby, going over the show notes, baby, going over the show
notes.
Oh, I'm excited.
We're at episode seven already.
Yeah, we've been doing this forwhat a half a week we just uh,

(00:53):
yeah, there's a lot of new, youknow.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
You know, the cool thing I like about what's
happening right now is I feellike so much has changed on
social media, so much haschanged in just content in
general is my chair low are you?
Did you go up?
Yeah, my chair was okay.
Yeah, am I still in frame?
We gotta start checking formaybe go down, jake you got.
You can't just be moving chairslike that.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh sorry am I too high?
Now, I don't know.
It just makes the table look alot bigger.
What's?

Speaker 1 (01:18):
going on here.
This isn't like tight.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
I didn't touch it, someone touched it oh, I mean, I
set it up for you while youcame in late.
Why is this not tight?
Coming in late with a coffee inhis hand, a black craft coffee,
why is this not?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
tight is jake still in frame lower you got to move
your mic down now see what amess, what a mess this is.
We are not professionals.
Jake talk into the mic likeyou've recorded podcasts before
I'm talking.
he told me to lower the mic, soI lowered the mic but point the
mic up, like you know what Imean.
There we go.
It's almost like you know whatI mean.

(01:53):
It's just crazy.
You think I would learn afterseven episodes.
Anyway, but you know to yourpoint.
This is episode seven.
Bunch of content's been out.
Thank you to everyone that'sbeen to the premieres.
Thank you to everyone'sdownloaded it.
Uh, on apple spotify, thepremieres have been like a hoot.
The premieres have been fun.
Dude, the.
The premieres have been fun.
I'm not gonna lie.
Last premiere that we wewatched, I was at universal

(02:15):
studios live in the chat,because my family that's right,
my family was in town, so but,uh, but the cool thing, what I
was, what I was just about tosay, was what was what I really
like about where things areright now is I feel like you
know you needed a schedulebefore of like podcast drops
every Wednesday.
Now I feel like it's just we'renot very scheduled.
I feel like it's just getcontent out.

(02:37):
Yeah, put two episodes out aday.
Yeah, put three out a day, putone out a day, it doesn't really
matter, as long as thecontent's going out and it's
being marketed.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
We're just trying to make a make a library right now
honestly, this is the mostschedule I think this is the
most schedule based we've everbeen, because black craft is
like such an anomaly when itcomes to marketing and you just
it has more of like a flow thana set schedule.
This podcast pad podcast islike probably the most scheduled
based thing we've ever hosted,like where we're trying.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
You know what I mean.
I would say so it's kind ofnice, yeah, it's nice, but I
just want to get content out asmuch as we can and we are, we
are, and I'm working on my offdays too, setting up a.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
No, you're not.
Yes, I am, I'm working on theseoff days, I worked on these.
I would just say that's justbad time management on your end.
Bad time management.
That's interesting.
Can we talk about real quickwhat I've been doing for you
these past couple months?
Yeah, let's hear it.
Yeah, we've been managing awarehouse, helping you out with
your whatnot show.

(03:35):
Our whatnot show, our whatnotshow.
Getting set up for events withGlobal, also creating a whole
bunch of episodes for thispodcast, handling the YouTube,
handling the Patreon.
Also handling a whole bunch ofgiveaways for our lovely
supporters, too as well, andalso driving all the way up here
from Orange County to spendtime with you.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It sounds like you and J-Van have been talking shit
behind my back.
No, it sounds like.
It sounds like J-Van and Jakehaveay van and jake in the house
but talking shit behind my back.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Well, first off, that's not true and second off,
that's a shame that youtranslated that way what do you
guys uh?

Speaker 1 (04:12):
how do you guys feel?

Speaker 2 (04:13):
uh, chat, we'll chat like we're on whatnot right now
I, I'm actually proud of thelist of things that I just
labeled.
I didn't say it to say that I'mbitter.
I'm actually saying it becauseI'm actually proud of what I'm
delegating as a whole, and Ifeel like you would be proud of
me too.
Think about it.
I've been with you for 10 yearsnow a little bit over.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's almost 11.
We're actually going on 11years.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
And if you really think about who I was 11 years
ago to who I am right now, Iwould like to think that you've
seen a lot of progress in me andvice versa, I've seen you grow
as a human as well, I like thatjake.
Thank you, I'm just letting youknow that right now and I'm not
trying to butter you up becausenothing like shitting on me and
then bringing me, building meback up.
I'm not trying to butter you upbecause you now officially
suspect that we're shit talkingto you, we would never shit.

(04:55):
Talk to you interesting like toeach other at least yeah,
that's fair.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
no, I I'm very grateful for all the love and
support.
It's been a lot oftransitioning here, moving over
to global, and it really kind ofhas just been like a three to
four man show here on this wholething.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
It really has and, to be perfectly honest, it kind of
sheds light on the idea ofefficiency when it comes to work
ethic and when you have a smallteam.
But they're all very like, Idon't know, they're all very
efficient in their own respects,in their own ways.
You have a really good,efficient like machine here yeah

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you know, with a small team,and I think we're handling it
very well, considering theconstant obstacles that we are
confronted with, I think on aweekly basis I would say so, I
mean it's been it.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
I mean to catch up on all this actually low key.
I mean to break the fourth.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
It's not the fifth wall.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Yeah, you keep on getting it wrong, but it's kind
of funny, but no to break thefourth wall right now.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
You know, with this merger with Global, it's been
one of the hardest transitions Ithink I've ever had in my life.
Not from Global's standpoint,because from Global's standpoint
, having that infrastructure oftheir amazing team and all their
outlets, that's been great,right, yep.
But I guess, from taking thebrand from a hundred dollar bill
13 years later, here's wherewe're at.

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It's a lot of changes and it's,it's scary, it's stressful.
There's a lot of stuff behindthe scenes that you know you as
the uh supporter don't get tosee or get to know.
But nope, I mean like, like youreally think about, it's really
been a four-man show.
It's been myself, jim, you andj van, really uh and tut and
little tut and a little bit oftut here, but tut's really

(06:33):
focusing on blackcraft coffeeright now.
But yeah, it's kind of justbeen us to figure this all out,
you know, and and uh, we'redoing our last, you know it's.
It's kind of weird because Ifeel like we're all in survival
mode right now.
No, it's not survival mode, it'sjust there's a lot of change
going on, I think, and havingthe brand for 13 years to even

(06:56):
have a successful brand is veryhard to do.
To have a brand for 13 years iseven harder to do.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Yeah, maintaining.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
To maintain it and the consistency of what we've
created.
So it's like there's just a lotof change right now, and I
think black craft has alwayskind of had to have change, to
grow and to evolve.
But yeah, right now it's justthere's a lot of moving pieces.
You know, we just launchedblack craft coffee, which man
people are loving it.
That's probably the best thingwe've ever been able to do.
And I forgot that.
We launched black craft coffee,which man people are loving it.

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That's probably the best thingwe've ever been able to do.
And I forgot that.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
We launched black craft coffee on top of all this
chaos too, you know, likeworking on a coffee shop and
yeah, it's just, it's thegnarliest thing ever it is
actually while we're here.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
before we get into this episode, here we are.
We are kicking it in neworleans today.
Oh, again, we're staying in newOrleans, episode seven Yep.
So how do we pronounce this?
Is it the La-Loree Mansion?
It's the La-Loree Mansion, okay, la-loree, la-loree Mansion.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
La-Loree Mansion, but please excuse us if we just for
some reason by chance say itwrong throughout the episode.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
It's all good, but Jay, before we get into this
episode, I'm excited for thisone today.
This is the one I've beenwanting to do for a long time.
So, speaking of Black CraftCoffee, I got some K-Cups here.
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You are so look nice little K-Cups Wow.

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Look at this shit Beautiful.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Right here Love that.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
So I got a 12-pack right here.
I got two boxes.
Let's do a giveaway.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
No, let's do a giveaway on YouTube right here.

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listening to this you'reprobably hearing this before and
you're like fuck, I'm there,bobby, but the video is not
there.
Well, well, we'll let you knowwhen the premieres, but when the
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That's where you head.
Uh, there are other episodes upright now.

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Make sure you go to youtubecomslash at black craft media.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
You can see a bunch of uh bunch of our video content
there and some ghost huntingstuff yeah, and even if you've
listened to the episode alreadyon spotify or itunes, going to
the premiere is actually a lotof fun it's fun, the crowd that
shows up, uh, for thosepremieres.
They're freaking hilarious.
They have me laughing all thetime.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
They're a in jake simon's word.
They are a hoot.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
They are an absolute hoot and I really like it when
they show up to one of ourpremiere episodes and stuff.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
What if I were to do the I don't know, but you got
the vibe today.
You got the black craft flannel.
I got the flannel.
I got the bass pro shop.
We're down in New.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Orleans.
I'm going to go ship and get mea 18 inch walleye fish while
fishing, episode seven Episodeseven La Lurie.
La Lurie mansion we're here,we're gonna.
We're gonna go into a littlebit of info first, before we
start going into the darkhistory of this mansion, because
, um, holy hell, bobby, when yousent me this place and when I

(10:12):
read about it, I was like, oh,this is this, is this gives
penhurst a run for its money,would you say.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I would say this probably gives any episode we
ever really cover a run for itsmoney.
Yeah, I've got a lot ofrequests to cover this one.
J-van's actually the one whosent me this and I was like, oh
fuck, I know what this is andI'll tell you how else I knew.
How I really knew about thisone is because I like watching,
like ghost adventures anddifferent shows, and I really
like Jack Osborne's stuff thathe's doing.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Oh, what is he doing?

Speaker 1 (10:39):
He even know that it was pretty cool and uh, he's, I
believe.
I don't know if this is a truefact, but he was the only person
allowed to go inside thismansion is what I heard for a
ghost show.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
So he's, so we're definitely gonna get denied.
I got, I got to watch it it wasa quick episode too.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
It was very, very interesting whenever the odds of
us getting access to it.
Yeah, probably not greatprobably not good, jake.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
All right well, the lalurie Mansion was built in
1832, new Orleans, louisiana,and it was originally designed
as a luxurious townhouse for DrLouise LaLaurie and his wife,
madame Delphine LaLaurie, a highsociety socialite known for her
wealth, status and, eventually,her horrific secrets.
This is actually it gets crazy.

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So there's three stories tothis building, plus an attic and
a basement, including grandsalons, private bedrooms,
servant quarters and hiddenrooms later discovered to be
sites of abuse andexperimentation.
It was privately owned and,over the years, it's passed
through many hands, includingactors, nicolas Cage, who bought
it in 2007 and sold it twoyears later after a string of

(11:46):
bad luck and financial disaster.
It has not been open to thepublic since, but remains one of
the most visited stops on ghosttours.
Um, it is currently closed andthe capacity, I guess, for the
building it doesn't really tellus, but I guess there is, at the
most, around a dozen people whohave lived in this building at
a time.
Uh, what are your thoughts onnicholas cage being attached to

(12:09):
this building and what wouldmake him be so enticed to want
to to own like a building withsuch a dark history?
I feel like I'm finding outsomething new about nicholas
cage, like I wonder if he haslike a huge fascination with
this kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
He must I feel like again we've said it on many
episodes on here you don'tchoose the house, the house
chooses you, and I'm really afucking strong believer in that.
I don't know the reasoning forthose things, but I'm a believer
in that.
I don't know.
I guess maybe nicholas cage wasthinking he could go there, get
inspired, maybe, I guess whatkind of inspiration'm curious.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
Maybe he was doing a role at the time, that's what
I'm thinking, I know he's done acouple of really effective
horror films.
I mean recently he did LongLegs, which was a gnarly piece
of.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Long Legs was incredible yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I really enjoyed that movie.
And he was like most of hisfilms that he does.
He's the most memorable part ofa movie, but memorable part of
a movie.
But I always thought that wasinteresting that his name was
attached to the building andprobably it was probably a good
idea for him to get rid of itand sell it to somebody else,
but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
I I guess he won't talk about anything that's
happened to him.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
I would like to talk to him about it so let's talk a
little bit about, uh, the darkhistory of the la lorille
mansion.
So, in 1834, a fire broke outin the kitchen and when rescuers
arrived, they uncovered thishidden like attic torture
chamber where enslaved peoplewere found chained, starved,
mutilated and experimented on.

(13:34):
This is a dark episode.
This is, this is cruel.
What we're about to go over isabsolutely just atrocious, and
it blows my mind that somethinglike this can be hidden for such
a long period of time, and allit takes is a fire that breaks
out to expose it right?
So some of the things thatpeople noticed in this attic was

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individuals were had theirmouths shown shown, uh sewn shut
, bones broken and reset atgrotesque angles, victims that
were bisected or had their skinpeeled off, and others were
locked in cages or tied tooperating tables.
Some were barely alive, othershad already died from their
wounds, and the exposure causeda mob of angry citizens to storm
the mansion.

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Delphine LaLaurie fled the city,reportedly escaping to France.
She was never held accountablefor her crimes.
Wow, jeez, what the.
Apparently all you have to do isflee the country and you're not
accountable.
That's freaking gnarly to me, Ithink this is 1834.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Different times, but, man, this is a place that I
genuinely don't know if I wouldtour.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I don't like the history that's attached to it,
and I mean, if I were to come tothe conclusion which may be
soon or not soon, if I dobelieve that the word goes for
real this would probably be thelast place I would probably want
to encounter, because I feellike we're dealing with a part
of history that representsAmerica that people just don't

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want to talk about, and, for me,discovering this simply because
an accident broke out where afire was it makes you wonder how
many times like, how manypeople were actually doing this
in their own homes and their ownmansions, these rich people
just doing all these horribleexperiments, experiments but
they were never found out,because this was probably like

(15:24):
the one incident that peoplewere like oh shit, we can't keep
doing what we're doing anymoreeither.
It makes me wonder how much ofthis was going on.
That wasn't the LaLauriemansion.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
I'm sure a ton.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
And that's horrifying to me, and a lot of it.
It says right here the housewas staffed by numerous enslaved
individuals who were the onesthat were that.
Here, the house was staffed bynumerous enslaved individuals
who were the ones that were thatsuccumbed to these horrible
fates.
Madame Lurie presented herselfas benevolent but treated her
servants with unspeakablecruelty behind closed doors
Sounds similar, like familiar,because it seemed like back in

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the day, people like to presentthemselves as this benevolent
figure, only to find out thatthey have this terrible, cruel
side to them, that they hidefrom the public and then, just
like most cowards, they flee thescene as soon as they're
discovered.
I mean, it's just terrible andit really upsets me and this is

(16:18):
going to be a tough one becausewe're about to go into the
incidents and I just wanted togive like a little bit of like a
sum up of what this placerepresents and, uh, this is not
going to be the most fun episodeto to go through bobby no, but
there's.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
There is a shit ton of haunted activity.
Yes, there's a shit ton ofhaunted activity here, and I
wonder why they won't let anyother ghost adventures in this
house other than jack osborne.
What the fuck like?
Why, like?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
maybe there's interesting there are things in
this house that might representa part of society that existed
back then, that people who ownit, or at least maybe the town
or the city of new orleans doesnot want no, I understand, but
why jack osborne?
Why jack osborne?

Speaker 1 (17:01):
he probably signed an mda yeah, but that don't make
any sense, bro.
Anybody would sign an mda totour I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Maybe maybe fame, fame, I mean, there's a little
bit of fame attached to his name.
Maybe the people who own theproperty are probably a huge
fans of the osbornes there therecould be possible influential
factors.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
It makes you think.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
It makes you think it makes you think, but I, I think
you know I'm curious.
I actually want to watch this,this thing, now that he's done,
because I'm curious what he heexperienced while I was there,
but I'm sure a lot of it has todo with the fact that they're
trying to just keep the pastfrom the past, from like being
in the present right now, and Ithink, like just from reading
what I'm reading right now, likewhat we're about to go into is

(17:40):
totally going to go into detailof what exactly they did to
these people in this house, andI'm sure they don't they don't
want to unravel that, like truelife is hard enough.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
I guess I guess you're right, like talk, talking
about this episode to yourpoint this is such a dark,
fucked up episode yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
You know what I?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
mean, and and I guess , even after watching kind of
Jack Osborne's thing, when Ikind of think about it and then
reading about the mansion andjust seeing the history of it,
yeah, but but still, why JackOsborne, like think about that,
right.
Like think about that LikeNicholas Cage, like think about
this for a second, thoughNicholas Cage lived there.

Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
He openly admitted he experienced some fucked up shit
but refuses to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Right, yeah, and he bought it and he let jack
osborne go in.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's interesting to me.
I like how you're fixated, howabout this?

Speaker 2 (18:29):
I don't know.
I'm fixated on it.
Once we after go go through, Iwill.
We'll follow back up with thisand then we'll try to dissect
why we we need to get a hold ofjack osborne is, what we need to
try to do is seriously, uh,what did you do?

Speaker 1 (18:39):
no, I want to talk to jack osborne about it, because
this is such a interestingepisode to me, because it is so
dark and so fucked up andtwisted yep that I never really
I don't know.
I just I just I don't know.
I need to know we're gonna getit.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
I need to know, we're about to know exactly, well,
exactly what was happening here.
So the lalore incidents are ahorrible and I'm about to read
off some detailed stuff thathappened.
So just you know, a forewarningif you, if you're a little bit
sensitive to very dark material,just you know, this is your

(19:12):
disclaimer right now.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
So yeah, this is not your episode.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yeah, this is not your episode.
Uh, so the lalurie mansionisn't just known for ghost
stories, it's also remembered asa site.
As a site as one of the mostgrotesque acts of cruelty in
early American history In 1834,when a fire broke out.
I already wrote this.
So they found at least sevenenslaved individuals chained to
the walls in various states ofmutilation.
One woman had her bones brokenrepeatedly and resetted at

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unnatural angles, as we saidbefore.
One had their mouth shown shut.
The other one had holes drilledinto his skull like a makeshift
uh trepanation and it's like ohmy god, this is cool like a
protruding wound, so like, theseholes caused protruding uh
wounds in his head.
Uh, there were some people wasstripped of the flesh, and then
there was other people who werekept alive through repeated

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procedures, left to suffer inisolation for weeks, though no
formal scientific experimentswere documented.
So the odds are they weren'texperimenting to gain knowledge
of anything.
They were experimenting simplyto torture people.
That's just a horrible reasonto do anything like this, and

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the procedures mimic primitivesurgeries.
So like, think about beingknown as a doctor, but you're
resorting to like surgeries thatwould have been maybe more
probable, like 2000 years ago,like they had no concept of,
like modern day medicinesurgeries, how things would be
taken care of.
So they were literally doingthese things to these people to

(20:45):
see what their pain thresholdwas.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
That's that that was a reason for doing this to them
is just to see what their painthreshold was and they even said
that she kept journals of it,yeah, and she like wrote down
notes and all that stuff, butthey never found the journals,
though I don't know what I'massuming that when the fire took
place it must

Speaker 2 (21:03):
have been lost in a fire or someone found it and
kept it close to them becausethey know very well that this
ever saw the light of day.
So imagine that, too, as well.
We can never fully understandwhy people would hide certain
things, but I feel like that'sactually what happened, because
if there was a fire that brokeout, I feel like those books

(21:25):
would have been in the atticwith the people that were being
experimented on.
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Maybe, maybe, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
But yeah, so these personal journals were
documenting pretty much the painthreshold of these victims.
There's really no official bodycount for everything that took
place here, but uh, this is tome like this is the equivalent
of penn hearst, except it wassomeone who took their own

(21:54):
experimentation in their ownhands and were, like, not funded
by the state, like pennsylvaniawas for penn hearst like we're
dealing with the family whosimply had, like I would
probably consider a sick fetishto like destroy people.
Like what's the point of tryingto analyze what the pain
threshold of someone is?
You yourself know what painfeels like, but these are rich
people.
They probably were neverexposed to these kind of things.

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They don't know what it feltlike to feel pain or to be put
in a position to where theywould experience physical abuse.
So, instead of figuring out forthemselves what their own pain
thresholds would be, theyenacted on other people who are
hopeless and helpless, and Ithink that's just a terrible
reason.
I could go into this like howterrible these people are, but
yeah horrible.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
So well, there was a lot of talk that this was tied
to like rituals and the O call,like you you know, like there
was all that kind of talk too, Ithink, a lot of speculation on
that there's speculation and, tobe perfectly honest, it seems
like it's right up the alley ofthe occult.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Uh, because it seems like this isn't just a matter of
testing pain thresholds.
It seems like there's somethingmore at bay here.
Um, some people claim thatthere's, like this secret french
occult society that performrituals involving blood and
suffering, which then, if theywere stating that they wanted to
do it for the sake of painthresholds, that would be a good
front to disguise what they'reactually doing.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Well, like what?

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Like drinking the blood to get like powers or some
shit, yeah but if they were todiscover these journals it's
like, oh, we're just simplytrying to figure out what their
pain threshold is.
But meanwhile it's actuallyoccult activity, because no one
in the occult wants to be knownin the mainstream, I would
assume.
So there were reports ofpentagram-shaped symbols and
animal bones arranged inceremonial patterns which were

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mentioned in 20th centuryaccounts.
So when they found this place,they found actual
pentagram-shaped symbols.
So that would obviously lead tobelieve that there was some
occult shit happening way backin the day.
And there was also localwhispers that Delphine had made
pacts with the dark spirits andbelieving that her crimes were

(23:58):
not just cruel but sacrificial.
So instead of it just being asa matter of pain threshold,
she's also doing this to enactsome sort of sacrificial um
amends towards whatever yeaheither demonic or a cult like
but these aren't proven.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
This is this is not proven, but these are not proven
.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
But gotta say that but this is speculation and,
just like most stories that arepassed down from generation to
generation, we are left with theprobability that this could
have been a cult For me, if youhad to ask me what I thought was
actually going on here.
I believe that these peoplewere sick and they simply wanted
to have this power that theycan inflict on other people

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without repercussion.
I don't think it had anythingto do with the occult at all.
I think these were sickindividuals who had money, had
power and decided to live outtheir sick fantasies on these
helpless people who didn'tdeserve their fate.
I don't think it has anythingto do with the occult.
I think people are justnaturally sick people.

(25:03):
There's just people out therewith money who just are sick and
will do the most terriblethings to people for the sake of
power why?

Speaker 1 (25:10):
well, what?
What is the?
Do we do we know, like, whatthe law larry family story is
like?
Do we know the backgroundhistory to that?
Because, I'd like to.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
If we have that, I think we should dive into, so I
did I did write some notes hereabout LaLaurie and there they
are right here.
So, madame Delphine LaLaurie, Ihave some information on her.
She was born in 1787 into awealthy New Orleans.
Okay, these people are wealthy.
Right off the bat this womanhas understood nothing else but

(25:41):
wealth.
So she was married three times.
Her third husband was Dr LouiseLaLaurie, so doesn't have a
great track record with hermessage or with her marriages.
Huh.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Why.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Huh, that's not a great track record Married three
times.
There's obviously somethinggoing on that these men are
noticing about her.
I mean, that would be futurediscovered, right?
I mean, I don't know, known forher socialite status and
elegant parties, publiclycharming but privately monstrous
, fled New Orleans after hercrimes were exposed.
So she was born in 1787.

(26:13):
So how old would she have beenwhen this was?

Speaker 1 (26:18):
discovered what 1834 was the fire?
I think right 1834.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
So she would have been around approaching her 50s
or in her 50s when this tookplace.
Shit, this is crazy.
And her grave is in paris,which was discovered decades
later.
But she marked it under adifferent name, so she changed
her name coward uh, believed tohave died in france in the late
1840s oh damn, that's crazythat's crazy to me.

(26:46):
I'm looking up other stuff tooas well, because I have a whole
bunch of stuff.
So most of the original courtand property records tied to the
lollery case mysteriouslyvanished in the years following
her escape.
So there wasn't actually likethey didn't discover burned
journals during its uh discovery.
It looks like it justdisappeared, mysteriously

(27:07):
vanished.
So I have a feeling someone'sholding on to this information
somewhere.
I mean I think.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I think everything's destroyed at this point.
You think everything'sdestroyed at this point?
Yeah, bro, because this shitwould have came to light at this
point.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
I'm surprised you would want to keep a place like
this open that's what I was'tthat fascinating.
It's like the same thing withPennhurst Like why do we keep
these places that have suchhorrible?
Things attached to it.
Why do we keep it open?
I don't know.
I would tear that building out.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It's weird man Doing this episode like no shit.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's making me uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I don't feel great.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, and this happened.
Yeah, I wasn't feeling good.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
This is going to happen more often, though,
because not every ghost locationwe're going to be going over is
going to have a little bit of acleaner history.
We do have a couple episodescoming up after this that may be
a little bit more lighthearted,but this one is definitely
going to be one of the moredarker ones I do want to talk

(28:02):
about.
I want to go into the ghoststories that are attached to
this place.
Uh, obviously, when you'redealing with this horrible past
attached, uh, there's definitelygoing to be some documented uh
things that took place wherepeople are either around the
building or in the building.
Um, we're going to talk about asolid like five or six
different like ghost storieshere, and we're going to start

(28:23):
with the screaming slaves in theattic.
Uh, so one of the mostconsistent reports comes from
the upper floor, specificallythe attic, where delphine
lollery allegedly kept enslavedpeople chained and tortured.
So visitors have heard bloodcurdling screams, uh, gasp, and
desperate cries for help echoingfrom empty rooms, and also
paranormal teams have picked upevp recordings that's what.

(28:44):
That's what, uh, david, andthat's what they used to as well
recordings of weepingwhispering in french and african
dialects and pleading voicessaying things like please stop
or it hurts.
That's devastating.
I I, if I was listening to anevp recording and I heard that I
I would be absolutelydevastated and drained and

(29:05):
probably would not want to stayafter that.
That's just horrible.
Also, some have claimed to feelhands grabbing at their ankles
or wrists while standing in theattic, even when completely
alone, and the sensation isalways the same pure panic.
Some investigators refuse to togo back again.
That's how dark this place is.

(29:36):
And think about David andAllura going to the Penthouse.
They've been there two or threetimes.
I don't feel like this would bea place where they would want
to revisit if they'd been there.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
No, I asked David about it.
I asked both of them if they'veever been to this place.
They've never been and he saidthat's for a good reason.
He knows too much about NewOrleans to even want to live
there full-time, like to live inthe whole fucking city.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 2 (30:01):
hey, I don't blame them I feel like there's certain
things why, jake, you don'tbelieve in ghosts?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
what bothers you, I?

Speaker 2 (30:07):
think.
Well, you know, how josh ballsaid on the uh, the ritz theater
episode, where there's somethings that you just don't want
to entertain and you want torespect the dead instead.
I feel like this is one ofthose, like one of those
situations where we need torespect the dead and not pry
into it.
Does that make sense?

(30:27):
Yeah, because the energyattached to it is so dark,
exactly, and I don't even reallythink if this is a matter about
me believing in ghosts or not.
I think this is more so, justbeing very self-conscious and
self-aware of what took placehere and just letting it rest,
and just letting it rest, youknow, and for me this would be
one of those places where Iprobably wouldn't visit myself,

(30:48):
because to me I would be I wouldview it as a form of respecting
I think it just.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
You're just scared.
Well, yeah, because this is oneof the episodes where I would
send you to well this would oh,I don't know why you?

Speaker 2 (30:59):
don't believe, it's not that, I don't believe it's
just.
This one particularly hits adifferent chord, and on top of
that too, we don't know if wehave to spend like a crap load
of money just to be allowed toattend.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
You know every episode.
This is episode seven so farthat we've been down.
Every single episode so far.
You know.
You say you don't believe, butthen you contradict yourself the
whole episode.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
You know that, right, I'm not really necessarily
contradicting myself.
What I'm doing is I'm speakingin a narrative, to where I'm
open to it, but it doesn'tnecessarily mean that, I believe
.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Let me give you another little incidence at the
mansion.
Okay, tell me what you thinkhere.
The woman in chains, jake, ohyes, so she's seen wandering the
second floor or near thestaircases, uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Okay, she's tall.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Oh, she's tall.
Mm-hmm, it's a female.
Appears bound in chains.
I'm painting a story here foryou, jake.
Yeah, you are painting a storyfor me Her face partially burned
and limbs twisted.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
That sounds terrifying.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Okay, witnesses say she often appears suddenly, lets
out a low moan or shriek andvanishes into a wall or mirror.
Okay, psychic mediums have beenthere, jake, and they described
her as a spirit in eternalagony, reliving, reliving,
reliving her suffering.
Tour guides report cold air andpressure changes whenever she
is spotted.

(32:19):
Okay, like the air is beingsucked out of the room.
Okay, now they think, hold on.
They think that she is one ofuh delphine's long-term victims,
possibly the spider womanthat's described in the 1834
reports okay okay, all right.
What?
How we feeling about the womanin chains are we?
Are we there?
We not there?

Speaker 2 (32:40):
this is where I have to question the validity of
residual energy and ghost,because, for me, I have a hard
time believing that a human whoalready endured such horrible
tragedy towards themselves wouldthen have to be confined and

(33:03):
strapped to this very locationand continue to suffer okay, to
that point I know where thatseems very unfair.
I know where you're taking tothe human I know you're taking
this point and when

Speaker 1 (33:17):
I was when I really got involved in the ghost, like
learning more about this.
I still, I still don't have theanswer.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Like again, we always say we're not experts, and I
think the whole point of thisshow is to ask I think I think
that's a hard question to asklike it is.
Why would that make any sense?
I have the answer for that Idon't.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
I don't have the answer for that but I was told
already an answer to what you'reabout to say, because the
question you're asking is a goodquestion, yeah, yeah.
But I was told, I was toldthere goes my damn phone again.
I was told, okay, that when youdie a very horrific, painful
death, very like whether it'slike fast or slow, I don't know-

(33:56):
I don't know the right thing todo, but you can get trapped in
that, like what happened to you,and you can't escape it.
I don't know the reason, butI've heard that.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
I don't know the reason, but I've heard that I
don't know.
That's true, I've just I'veheard that.
I appreciate that answer myquestion.
My question is are theyconscious, then?
Because we did have thisconversation with dave and alora
, where there's residual energy,where it's just like almost
like a uh a video playing onrepeat, but there's no
consciousness behind what you'rewitnessing.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
And then there's actual spirits that are
cognitive.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
Maybe this is purgatory, but they don't
deserve the purgatory, if that'sthe case, because if they,
already, but you don't knowtheir past, you don't know these
people.
Maybe they were fucked uppeople.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
I don't think anybody who's gone through that would
be deserving to then for alifetime, because we're talking
about years later.
Now.
We're talking about like over ahundred years of like continual
ghostly suffering.
That just seems very unfair.
That being said, I think theonly way to justify what is
going on with this topic is thatI feel like if david and alora

(34:58):
for some reason had to go tothis place and check it out, I
think they would have anunderstanding that if they did
witness the woman in chains,this would be a residual ghost.
Let me see if they're free.
Correct, it would be a residualghost, because I have a hard
time believing that Any spiritwould have to suffer that

(35:20):
consequence even after death.
It just seems very unfair.
Yeah, no, that's fair.
You going to give them a call.
I'm going to see if they'refree.
Yeah, I'm very curious becauseI feel like there's an
interesting topic to discusshere, and this is not me even
trying to debunk the probabilityof spirits.
It's more so trying tounderstand the roles of the

(35:43):
spiritual world, because it'smoments like it's, stories like
this, that make me want to go.
Well, does that make sense?
Does that seem fair?
Is there a role here?
You know that we need tounderstand.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
And that's a big question.
I have too.
Yeah, that's a good question.
I'm with you, I'm with you, I'mwith you.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
Actually, while you're waiting to get a hold on
them, I actually want to go intoone of the next things that are
reported to take place in here.
So there's also a ghost storythat's called the Phantom Child
on the Stairs, and it involves asmall child around eight or
nine years old who has been seensitting or crawling on the main
staircase.
Many believe this is leah theyoung enslaved girl delphine,

(36:24):
allegedly chased with a whip,causing the child to leap to her
death from the third floorbalcony so there's there's
children involved here too aswell.
This sounds like like literallyhell house.
This is the house of hell.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
Well, I think this house actually ended up getting
named hell house, one of like,oh, really, like, it's not the
hell house, but there is a housethat's called hell house, right
, yeah this sounds like justhorrible.

Speaker 2 (36:44):
So tourists say they've seen a girl peeking
around the corners or heardrunning footsteps and a child's
giggle followed by a suddensilence.
In some sightings she appearscrying, with torn clothing and
blood down her forehead, thendisappears when approach, and
children and sensitive adultsoften feel immediate
nauseousness near the stairwell.

(37:05):
So what?
There was a time then, becauseyou said the building is off
limits.
Right, I believe so.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So there was a time where this was probably a
tourist attraction then, correct, if people are making these
reports about must be that thathad to been because maybe it's,
I don't know if it's off limitsto the public, like meaning like
you could go in, maybe on likea tour, maybe special, but I
don't think they're allowing.
They weren't.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
Yeah, maybe, I don't know, I'm not sure I mean kudos
to any family who brings theirkids to this location, because
that's ballsy as hell.
But um, that particular storyis obviously very devastating to
us as well, and it makes mewonder who the small child
belonged to.
Obviously, it was the child ofa slave, and it breaks my heart

(37:54):
knowing that this child wouldhave had the same treatment.
It's terrible, bro.
Yeah, it is terrible.
This is like a very, very, verysad location.
You get a hold of David orLaura, yet no, not yet.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
No worries, hey, we're still going through some
ghost stories right here.
There's still some more.
The one that I've been curiousabout is the mirror trick.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
I'm right there with you.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
I'm curious about this one.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
I think there's a discussion to be had about
mirrors themselves and howthey're intertwined with the
paranormal.
Have you ever heard of the movie?
I think it's called Oculus.
No, it's a very fascinatingmovie.
It's from the same director whodid Haunting of Hill House and
he did all these really greathorror films and I still think

(38:39):
he's making some awesome horrorfilms.
But it's called Oculus and it'sabout the idea that spirits are
trapped within this mirrorrealm and they use this mirror
to distort reality.
So when they look at the mirror, they see something else and
stuff like that.
So mirrors, to me I think, arefascinating because they're like
the perfect thing to make youfeel like you've seen something.
Do you ever look in a mirrorand you feel like you saw
something in the perfect thingto make you feel like you've

(39:00):
seen something?
You ever look in a mirror andyou feel like you saw something
in the background only to findout it's not there.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Yeah, I feel like I see like 30 pounds on me.
Yeah, that too as well, that 30pounds.
That doesn't exist, that mightbe there.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
But the mirror thing is very fascinating.
I feel like there's an episodethat we can really deep dive
down that.
But we'll go into this ghoststory real quick.
The mirror trick, so one of themansion's original mirrors, now
kept behind glass, is said totrap and reflect the spirits.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
That's exactly what I just said it is what you just
said, but the one thing beforeyou go down the story, you've
got to say that Delphine they'resaying, use this mirror for her
rituals.
So that's a big point you'vegot to say right now Interesting
.
That's the rumor.
I don't know.
So that's a big point you gotto say right now Interesting.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Okay, that's the rumor I don't know if that's
true, but that's the report.
Well, if that's the case, itwould make sense why there would
be any energy attached to thismirror.
I mean, ew gross.
Imagine having a mirror aroundto watch yourself do your dirty
deeds.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
But how would they know that she used this mirror?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
That seems such like a stretch.
The interesting thing about anysort of lore involved in the
paranormal is that we'reliterally going based upon what
people tell us.
And if you think about it too,bobby.
It literally states, like on somany accounts, that all these
documentations were destroyedduring the fire.
These documentations weredestroyed during the fire, so

(40:22):
outside of this room that theydiscovered where they were
torturing people.
How can anyone elaborate whattook place?

Speaker 1 (40:28):
in the rest of the house.
That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
How do you know about this kid on the stairwell?
If that kid would have beenlong gone before this fire took
place, how would we know that?
I don't know, but it's probable.
I I mean, that's the whole pointof ghosts is they're exposing
the, the tragedies that tookplace in the past.
But um, uh, let's talk aboutthis mirror a little bit, so, uh

(40:51):
, so one former caretakerclaimed that the mirror would
fog and handprints would appearon the inside of the glass, even
when no one touched it.
This sounds like a movie trope.
What do you think?
What do you think about thevalidity attached to that?

Speaker 1 (41:07):
I've never got that.
I feel like I've experienced alot.
I've never experienced it.
Oh my God, that's actually alie.
Okay, let's hear it.
That's a dude when?
Oh wow, let's hear it.
No, it's a whole story initself.
But when Jim and I livedtogether, when we lived at the
high rise before you moved inwith us, we were on the floor.
We were on like two floors down.

(41:28):
We were on 1309 was the room.
All right, and that was when Iwas experiencing a lot of crazy
shit.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Wait, you told me this story.
I did.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
That's when I was experiencing a lot of crazy shit
and Jim was too, at night whenwe'd be sleeping and stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Brand new unit we just moved into.
Jim and I moved in.
Brand new, very, very niceplace.
Everything was very taken careof, high end Like.
It was very, very nice place.
You know the building we livedin.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
No, it was a nice building.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
And it was Astoria in the.
I mean, you know how nice theinterior was right.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
It's very modern, very modern.
All windows like looking out.
Jim and I kept experiencingcrazy shit while we were
sleeping at night uh-huh andthen we went and saw, um, like a
I guess like a psychic, and shewas saying that stuff was
coming through our mirrors atnight.
She just kept picking up andstuff was coming through our
mirrors at night, and I'm likehmm, I don't know is this place
is so new and so modern and thisplace is not haunted where we

(42:26):
live what was the origin of themirrors?

Speaker 2 (42:28):
did you buy it from somewhere?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
no, okay, I don't, I don't know, but at the time we
were, we did have like a lot oflike antique shit in our house,
like we had like antiquechandeliers, like I.
That's why I don't really fuckwith antique shit, you know,
like as far as I'll go, even,even this shit right here behind
us.
It's other people's energyattached to it.
I'm such a believer in that.
But however okay, this, thisstory wow, I was.
I just was about to say well,jake, we've I've never

(42:51):
experienced anything in themirror.
That's a lie.
The psychic said that thisstuff that was fucking with us
was coming through the mirrors.
So I remember we went back,looked at mirrors.
We go into jim's room okay andthe mirrors.
Scratch marks like like someonefucking took like claws, like
fucking claws, and scrap dudelike this like straight up down
the mirror and you had no petsat the time.

(43:13):
I got fucking goosebumps.
Uh, we, we did.
We had a.
We had a small little dog witha little but little teacup.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
Yorkie, fuck no.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
This was tall.
And here's the thing thosemarks weren't always there
because Jim I even asked Jim,I'm like dude, maybe they were
there when we moved in.
He's like dude, I get ready inthis mirror every day I would
have noticed those Like this waslike a mark in the mirror.
That like it's not like ascratch on this table, the uh,
it's a real thing.
What?

Speaker 2 (43:37):
do they call it the, the, the, what's it called
superstitions?
You know the whole superstitionthat if you break a mirror,
yeah, seven years.
It makes me wonder, fuckingweird if there is, like this
dimension that exists, that isonly enacted through the east of
mirrors, and maybe the idea ofbreaking a mirror is almost like

(43:59):
, like, maybe seven years badlack of like the coaster pist or
something like that soundsridiculous honestly, maybe I
feel like there's somethingthere there's a war.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
This episode has been making me sick like I'm for
real, I got like a crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
It's making you having to revisit, like things
that took place in the past,that kind of like remind you of
maybe?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
where you were at at the time.
You know, I don't know, thisepisode is just dirty I think
you'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
But um, there's also been uh proof that tourists who
photograph the mirror sometimesfind blurred extra faces in the
background have you everexperienced anything like that
before?

Speaker 1 (44:29):
never experienced anything like that.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
No dude, this is wild no, that one's creepy because
it is creepy.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
So what do you guys think?
Everyone everyone's watching usright now.
Listen.
What do you, what do you thinklike?
If you're watching us onyoutube, comment like let us
know what do you think Like ifyou're watching us on YouTube,
comment Like let us know, Likehave you had any crazy mirror
stories?
Because I'm sure they're outthere?
Can I tell you something I'msure they're out there.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Can I tell you something about my relationship
with mirrors?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
I don't know where this is going.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
This is very strange, and so in the past three or
four years I have found myselfavoiding mirrors, and every time
I look at a mirror it makes meuncomfortable.
Not necessarily because of likeif I see myself in the mirror,
but there's something about theidea of looking back at oneself

(45:15):
that like was stressing me out.
And there was like a three orfour year period until this day
it's still ongoing where Iactively avoid mirrors.
There is something aboutmirrors that freaked me out, but
I didn't realize why I wasdoing it.
At first I thought I was like Ijust don't like looking at
myself, but then I startedrealizing that I was actively
avoiding it in every possiblefacet of reflection Like.

(45:38):
I was doing it with windowsthat have a reflection.
I would not look at thereflection of windows.
I would not look at the rearview mirror while driving, even
though legally I should beutilizing when I'm like making a
turn or something like that.
But there's something aboutmirrors that for some reason, I
have subconsciously found areason to ignore and avoid at

(46:00):
all costs, and I wish I kind ofunderstood that more, and why my
maybe you're scared, I'm notscared, I just.
But there's something going on,there's something happening
there.
My relationship with mirrorsmakes me think about this story,
that we, just you're startingto become a believer.
It's not about being a believer.
I think it's more so about,like, maybe, the study of the

(46:20):
psychology of mankind.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
You know, I don't know, or you just ate too many
fucking weed gummies orsomething bro.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
That was around the time we started doing it.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Yeah, I think the paranoia I don't really mess
with weed that much anymore, butthat's always a problem.
Well, how about this, bro?
Well, how about this, okay?
Well, speaking of right, okay,because there are a couple other
ghost stories, but I thinkthere's two that I really want
to talk about.
Let's talk about it.
This one hits home to me.

(46:50):
I'm listening the shadow behindthe curtain.
So in the ballroom area oftenused for events in the early
1900s, guests and caretakersreport seeing a tall shadow
figure standing behind thevelvet curtains.
Tall shadow figure.
He doesn't move, but you canfeel his presence.
Some say it feels like you'rebeing watched with hatred.
Now I've had this experiencebefore.
Some of the guests will evensay that the curtain will sway

(47:12):
and the figure seems to vanishinto it, as if the walls like
swallow him.
Oh, what the fuck.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
That's creepy.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
This is creepy, bro.
So the theory is, Jake, he'snot a victim, but maybe it's
Delphine's husband.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
Okay On a moral standpoint it would make
absolute more sense for thehusband and Delphine to suffer
after death and be trapped inthis house and relive their
horror.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
That makes more sense to me, yeah, but they didn't
die there, though.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
They didn't die there , but they are deserving.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Yeah, of course, but I don't.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
Well, if that's the case, it kind of makes sense for
him to be behind the curtain.
I think I've said this alreadythey're cowards, they read, they
ran, they fled from the horrorsthat they caused.
So it would make sense that ifDelphine's husband I think it
was Dr Luis, I think that washis name or Louis, if he were to

(48:16):
be a representation of ghosts,that would be him, because he's
a coward, he would be hidingbehind the curtains, fleeing,
making sure that he's not foundout.
It would make sense that hewould be.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
That makes sense, it would make sense that he's in
this perpetual state of flight,Like, oh shit, they saw me.
I got to hide because I did aterrible thing and he's a shadow
figure and shadow figures aretied in evil deeds or stuff like
that, so that actually kind oflines up that it might be him.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, jake, you bring , jake, you bring, you bring a
lot of good points.
I got, I got a question for youor anyone that's listening yeah
, have you ever seen a shadowfigure like that?

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I think when I told you that story, when I went to
that abandoned asylum and I toldyou, at the end of the hallway,
in the tunnel, I feel like Isaw a shadow figure.
But I was in such a state ofpanic, of like flight, of trying
to run away when I heard thatloud noise that I can't tell if
I saw it or it feels my brainplaying tricks on me because I
was scared at that very moment.

(49:13):
But that was probably the onlyencounter that I had with a
shadow figure, I believe, evenif it can be proven that was a
shadow figure.
But I do kind of want to godown this little detour, bobby,
because there's one situationthat we both experienced back in
Avella called what we call theBlack Dog story, and it was

(49:36):
weird.
So what happened is one night,me and Bobby we weren't hanging
out but we were at each other'sparents' houses and we both,
within that night, saw a bigblack dog like running outside
of our house, right, and I thinkthere was another situation.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
There was.
We were in the car together.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
We were in the car together too as well, and this
is big black dog.
And what was strange about it?
Because we could say, could say, oh, it's probably just a
straight dog, but it was almostabnormally large.
It was like almost as if it waslike the size of like a donkey
or a horse and and.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Uh, this is the times in our life when we were
younger and sober, so just hadto, just had to put that out
there.
We were just driving around mypontiac sunfire drinking soda
and eating freaking whatevercheetos.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
What do you call it?
The spicy Cheetos Yep, but hotCheetos, but yeah.
So I don't know if the shadowfigures can.
This is another question Iwould like to ask David and
Laura.
Can it take different forms?
Can it take the form of ananimal?

Speaker 1 (50:36):
I would think so.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
But if that's the case, I would like to understand
the roles behind it and themeaning behind it taking a
different form than a humanfigure.
But that was very interestingto me.
So I would say the closestactual thing that I maybe like,
validity wise, that Iexperienced as a shadow figure
would be the big black dog,because to this very day we

(50:57):
can't tell if it was real whatwe saw.

Speaker 1 (50:59):
Well, we saw it, I saw it individually, you saw it
individually, then we saw ittogether on someone's porch.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
And then we asked them we're like oh you have a
big black dog.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
They're like what are you talking about?
And when we look back, it wasgone.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, man, I actually have
shadow figure I've and I don'tknow if now's the time to share
it.
It'll derail this a little bit.
I don't know if we save it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Hey, I love a little detour.
You want a little detour?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Let's do a little detour real quick.
So just because you know,there's a couple things in this
and I'm being serious when I saythis Like this episode is
making me feel like nauseous andsick, and I'm sure some other
people listening to this know itjust makes you feel some
certain way.
It was funny because when wewere doing the last episodes I
was researching stuff onpenhurst and stuff like that.
I actually started going downthe path of this mansion too

(51:46):
uh-huh and I just rememberfeeling very sick and very
drained and I feel that wayright now.
I feel very sick, like I feelvery nauseous right now.
Okay, I'm being serious andlike a migraine.
I know you don't believe me,but I really believe what you're
saying like okay, and you'reslouching, so it's when you get
the slouch it's when he gets theslouch it's when he gets the
slouch and I know he's not.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
I'm gonna have to get like a back brace or something,
because everybody's gonna seemy slouching is.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Just excuse me anyway , shadow figure, uh detour.
I knew this would go off therails a little bit, but uh, no,
staying on that subject, I'vehad a crazy I.
I probably have had the.
I think this might be one ofthe craziest experiences I've
ever had in my life.
Okay, like ever and it involvesa complete shadow figure.
I had an outer body experience.

(52:29):
I was sober during this.
I was actually it's not like Iwas sober than not sober, Like I
was actually like sober foryears when this happened.
So it wasn't like I was usingany drugs or drinking or
anything to alter no medication.
Nothing like I was using anydrugs or drinking or anything to
alter no medication.
Nothing.
I was just sober, sober, sober.
It's funny Every time we talkabout shit, this light kind of
keeps going off too.
It's kind of weird, it's kindof interesting.

(52:49):
It feels like there's some shitin here with us right now.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
It might be low battery.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
It's definitely not because it's all plugged in.
I don't think that one'splugged in.
No, no, it's plugged in.
Can you check if it's plugged?
It's plugged in, it's justghosts.
Man, jake will do anything tonot believe, but uh, so so, jake
, on this, on this not pluggedin so jake shadow figure.

(53:15):
Yes, I was laying in bed.
Um, I was in bed with, uh,three other people.
It was like a massive bed.
We were watching a big movie atthe time and, uh, I was with my
, I was with my girlfriend.
This is.
This happened 12.
This happened about 14 yearsago, I would say at this point,
which is insane because it feelslike it just happened just
yesterday too.

(53:35):
By the way, which is evenfucking crazier, I didn't have
black craft when I started this.
Let's hear it when thishappened to me.
So, and in the crazy part to asI dive down this little detour
for a second, the crazy part tothis is all these really crazy,
weird, like instances starthappening to me, either right
before I launched black craft,uh-huh, or like a little bit

(53:57):
before it.
You know, it's either likeright when I launched it or like
a little bit before thiswavelength kind of all started
happening.
So this story I'm about to tellI was, I did not have blackcraft
yet, so I'm laying in bed withmy girlfriend um, my buddy and
his girlfriend.
We were just watching a movie.
It was like a really big bed andthere was a projector in the
room okay, and the wall waswhite for the projector right

(54:19):
and and the house is like it's avery dark house and we're
watching Adam's Family and Ifall asleep and everyone falls
asleep.
Now I shoot out of bed, right,and I have this like outer body
experience, like I have afull-blown outer body experience
.
Now I'm looking down, I couldsee myself sleeping and I could
see everybody sleeping.
Okay, everyone like kind offell asleep watching the movie.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
They call it astral projection.
I believe.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Yeah, I don't know.
So I'm outside my body.
I'm standing right, I'mstanding next to myself on the
side of the bed and I hear hello.
I hear like the front door openand the bedroom was upstairs
and there was like these woodensteps that come up the stairs.
It was like wooden staircasecoming up, right.
I hear hello steps to come upup the stairs.
It was like it was like woodenstaircase coming up, right I

(55:05):
hear hello.
I hear this like female voice.
I'm like oh no.
I'm like fuck.
I'm like yo.
I'm like wake up.
I'm like wake up.
I'm trying to wake mygirlfriend up at the time, like
wake up, wake up, please, wakeup.
I'm trying to wake everyone upin bed.
No one will wake up.
Fuck.
It's like I didn't know whothis person was coming up the
steps, but I I knew it was goingto be bad and it was going to
harm me.
Like I could feel that right.
So I'm in the house, I see mybody, I hear hello.

(55:28):
I hear the front door shut.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I'm like fuck, like a loud shut, like an aggressive
shut.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Yeah, like, just I could hear the door shut.
Okay, it was a heavy door, Iremember it.
Remember it was a big.
It was a big door.
This house is older too, okay,so now all of a sudden I hear
bobby hello.
And I could hear like, sothey're addressing you by your
name, they're addressing me fromdownstairs, okay.
And I hear like, and I couldhear them walking up the stairs

(55:54):
and she's like bobby, honeybobby.
And I'm like, oh.
I'm like, hey, please wake up.
I'm like, hey, can you guysplease fucking wake up, please.
Like this is gonna be so badfor me, yeah you guys gotta wake
up, please wake up, please wakeup.
And all of a sudden, boom, sheappears in the doorway.
Okay, now where the now wherethe screen was.
It was like right in front ofme, but the door was off to the
right now.
I'm outside my body and I'm like, and I'm looking right at the

(56:16):
door, okay, I got chills, I gotfucking chills.
Right now she's like bobby andshe in just this black figure
just appears, okay, and blackfigure, okay, and how I know it
was a black figure.
I couldn't see it at the doorright, because it was pitch
black, I couldn't see it.
But how I know it was blackfigure was adam's family credits
were like, or the movie waslike playing on the white wall.

(56:38):
Well, all of a sudden she'slike bobby, sweetheart, and she
walks across the white wall.
Gone dude, choking me out, okay, like full-blown choking me out
, like I'm like, ah, I'm bro, Iknow it's insane, I'm like
getting choked is it like one ofthose dreams where you scream
but you can't hear yourselfscream?
no, bro, I could hear myselfscream, I could fucking feel it,
I could hear it, I I wake upand everyone, like everyone's

(57:01):
flipping the fuck out, freakingout, right.
But I have like tears comingdown my face and like my, my
throat and chest feel so heavy,like it was like I was choked,
like I feel sore, like I waslike choked.
I woke up, freaking out, bro, Icouldn't, I couldn't fall back
asleep and then a couple hourslater, everyone's like fucking
rattled, I end up falling backasleep and I was like, oh, no,

(57:21):
no, no, please don't fall asleep, bobby, don't fall asleep.
Shoot outside my body.
She's downstairs in the house,in the kitchen.
She's like, haha, I could hearher like laughing, slamming the
kitchen cupboards.
She's like I'm gonna come back.
So like I don't know why youjust don't approach it head on.
And then I fucking shot intoouter space and this story gets
so crazy.
But that was the shadow figurethat's absolutely terrifying

(57:43):
that, that that's a true.
Have you?
Have you taken?

Speaker 2 (57:46):
time to like sit with it and dissect what it means.
Do you feel like this is aspirit that maybe has followed
you since who knows how long, ordo you think it was
specifically attached to theplace that you're at that moment
or that night?

Speaker 1 (57:59):
I don't know, because there's a lot of stuff in my
life during that time where Iwas at a lot of crossroads and
there was a lot of differentpaths I was going in life, uh,
of career, of just who I was asa person, friends around me,
just just everything you know,and and fuck.
In that same month or two I endup meeting a psychic lady that

(58:19):
found me at pf chang's infucking bumfuck florida
somewhere.
Pf chang's yeah, the storythat's.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
That's a whole other fucking story I'm not, I'm not
gonna derail it, but but it, butall these weird things started
happening, like I saw death.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
I saw death in my dream.
I woke up and my uncle anddad's best friend died, like it
was.
It was weird.
I saw I've seen earthquakes.
Uh, happened in my dreams.
I wake up and crazy earthquakeshappen.
But anyway, I didn't want toderail this, but that was my
shadow.
That was a good derail because,it's very uh, it's very real I
feel like, I feel like that'swhy I feel so sick right now.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Honestly, I feel like you told me the story a long
long it happened 14 years ago,bro but I I forgot about it.
This story sounds familiarbecause I remember you telling
me a story where you pretty muchhad sleep paralysis and you
were outside your body.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
This was different than sleep paralysis, for sure,
because we've talked on otherepisodes of sleep paralysis I've
had it.
This is something so different,that's right, so different.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I just recollected that's the only other time I
experienced a shadow figure,when I had that one time of
sleep paralysis Remember when Iwas living in Tustin.
Yeah, and the shadow figure wasin the corner and it just
didn't move, but it felt like itwas taunting me the whole
entire time.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I don't know man, this episode's got me fucked up.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
I'm not even trying to be funny, like I feel
genuinely sick talking aboutthis shit and and I think, uh,
we should talk about one more, Ithink, to round this, to round
this out, this one's actually alittle.
This one's disturbing in adifferent way because it doesn't
actually even involve what tookplace back then.
It actually involves somethingthat happened more recently this
one.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
This one went a little too dark for me.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
This was like a little bit more of like the true
crime kind of side of shit orsomething so this ghost story is
called the suicidal spirit andyou know a little bit of
disclaimer that has definitelysome dark content to it.
So you are advised, uh, soafter delphine fled yeah, this
is one of the buildings.
Later residents a wealthy manwho knew nothing of the
mansion's history imagine buyinga house and they just do not

(01:00:20):
because isn't it legal, likelegally you, like anybody who
sells a house?

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I don't know.
I don't know if it is, I don'tknow.
Now, I think you do yeah, Iobviously.
Then I don't think incalifornia they have to tell you
if someone died in it or not.
I don't, I don't think certainstates maybe.
I don't know, I'm not a realestate expert okay I, I was very
interested in that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So apparently, after six months of moving to his
house, he reportedly took hisown life.
So he had a diary that was leftbehind, and it was like, played
with nightmares of blood andchains and a woman whispering in
French behind my eyes.
Bro, he had not a clue whattook place here.
Current staff and guides saythat at night you can sometimes

(01:00:59):
hear a gunshot echo through thethird floor, even though the
room is empty, and then somepsychics believe this man's
spirit is still in the house,but not haunting it, trapped in
a psychic loop, endlesslyreliving his descent into
madness.
So this sounds more like awizard, a residual ghost, yeah,
but that would be horrible toget chapped, trapped in that
location after death I that'sterrible, though, because that's

(01:01:22):
probably what Nicolas Cage wasgoing through when he bought the
house.
He probably felt something thatwas daunting and dark lying
over him for those two yearsthat he owned it, and he's like
I got to get rid of this orsomething bad's going to happen.
Fuck, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I feel like shit bro.
This episode fucked me up.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
I'm not even playing.
I'm not even playing, I'm noteven kidding, I got a crazy
migraine, well, well, we, wecould definitely uh take a.
We could probably leave it offat that story.
We normally we have like uh,david and alora to chime in on
different locations, but thisactually, this episode
specifically, they actually stayaway from this location right,
I mean, they knew we were doingthis episode today and I said

(01:01:59):
hey, you free for a call Fuckingcrickets from David and Elora.
It sounds like they don't wantto talk about it, and I don't
blame them, because this isreally dark.
This is definitely to me.
I feel like it's the same level, if not it's a little bit more
personalized and disturbing incomparison to Pennhurst.
So disturbing in different ways, but this one is horrible

(01:02:23):
because this is about a familythat just had horrible
intentions and yeah, oh man, I'mright there with you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I don't feel good yeah, it's, it's a, it's a weird
thing, man, and this shit'sreal.
I don't know.
This shit's uh, I don't knowwe're starting to, I don't know,
sorry, maybe rethink this wholefucking podcast.
Yeah, where are you gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
like 100 episodes from now, we're gonna be
completely changed people, butbe sick, yeah, I mean, I think
we should leave it off there.
Um, uh, our next episode.
I think we're, I think we'restaying in new orleans.
Actually, I might, I might beready to get out.
No, we're gonna be ready to getout episode new orleans, and
there's like infinite amount ofcontent that takes place in this
city and the next episode isgoing to be the le petit theater

(01:03:01):
and uh that one's got somecrazy shit.
That's got some crazy shitattached to it, but it's nothing
like this, nothing like this.
It's going to definitely be alittle bit more.
I don't.
I don't think lighthearted isthe correct word, but it's
definitely going to be more uh,uh, palpable, if that's the
correct word for it so, um, yeah, I mean yeah, episode seven, la

(01:03:23):
lorraine mansion.
Terrible, delphine, you're aterrible, terrible lady crazy
husband, you're a terrible,terrible man, and if you are
happen to still be trapped inthat that haunted mansion as the
man behind the curtain, you,you deserve it.
Fuck man, you should be trappedthere for the rest of your life
.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I'm I'm curious, uh, make sure you're liking this and
commenting down below onyoutube especially.
Let us know, like as we're, aswe're going through these
episodes, do any episodes makeyou feel some type of way like?

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
how we're feeling right now like are you fucking
drained like you feel sick, likeon top of that too, like we
love, because on our patreon welike to ask people like their
ghost stories and theirexperiences, or what stories
they grew up with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Oh, we got a ghost story coming up in the future,
don't we from the Patreon?
Yes, oh yeah, we're going toMontana.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Yeah, we're doing a ghost town Montana.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
That feels better.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
That one's going to be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
It's going to have some interesting backstory, a
lot of history, so we'reprobably going to speak to it in
this town as well the wholetime.
But no, I won't do that.
But yeah.
So the next couple episodes aregoing to be fun and, uh, not
fun, but they're going todefinitely be a lot more
manageable on a, on a spirituallevel, I guess.
But um, yeah, man, this was,this was a rough one.

(01:04:35):
I think it seems like everythree or four episodes we come
across a really rough location.
Oh, did they get back?

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
to you.
They did.
Do you want to Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
let's do it.
Let's extend the episode.
Not every episode has to bearound an hour.
Screw that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
I mean, this episode is a pretty good one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
What was my question?

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Well, the question was going to be.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Why is it fair that a person that suffered during
their lifetime, why are they?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
trapped.
Yeah, why did that ghost howthey died?

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
yeah.
Why are they trapped?
I want to ask them that that'sa good question.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
What else you?

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
got for them.
Uh, uh, uh.
That's good for now.
That's good.
That's the only one I reallydon't want to talk about.
I'm like so drained justtalking about the horribleness
of it.
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:05:18):
I told you yeah, let's, uh, let's do a little
test.
Let's see if we get this right.
Sweet, let's see if we get thisright.
Let's see Dave and Allura.
Bluetooth is on Bluetooth is on.
Rodecaster Pro 2.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
As soon as we hear the ring, check.
If you hear the ring but itdoesn't sound like it, it's.
If you hear the ring, but itdoesn't sound like it's working.
What?

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
were you listening to ?
That's my classic dad rock.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We're going to have to listen to some of that after
this episode, then, oh yeah,here we go, let's see what
happens.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Not working are you serious?
Hey, laura, not working whatdid you do?

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
you had to do audio.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I'm on FaceTime audio .
I'm going to try to call youguys back you're not on FaceTime
audio.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
I'm on FaceTime audio bro what's that say FaceTime,
if you can call it a regularcall, bro.
What's that say FaceTime?
If I didn't see you, click it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Maybe I gotta exit out.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Maybe you have to exit out for a second first Dude
, I really can't wait to ask himthis question because I'm like
very You're calling me right now, oh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Shit, yeah, it's not working.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
Damn it.
Why is it not working?
Does it need to be plugged intoyour laptop?

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
No, or does it need to?

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
be plugged into Mm-mm what?

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
is going on, let me try one last thing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Okay, we'll never have this down to you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
I kind of like that we leave it in too, and we just
fuck up and just let it do itsthing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Hey, just FYI.
We're not professionals inanything that we do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
No, that's you Fuck.
I keep calling you.
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:05):
What's working now?

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
Hello.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Laura David.
Laura David, how are you guys?
Hello Guys we just got done,doing the la laurie, the engine.
We just, we just I'm sick, Ifeel really sick we feel
uncomfortable talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:07:29):
No, I'm actually sick .

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
No, I'm sick.
I'm like genuinely feel drained, got a migraine.
I showed up today to film I Ifelt great.
We started going.
I feel sick.
Yeah Well, you chose this one.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I feel sick.
Yeah, we had some conversationsinvolving.
So, just to make sure, this isa location that you guys
actually kind of refrained fromdoing because of how terrible,
you've never done it right.
Yeah, you've never done itright, no, we've never done it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
I've actually had one chance and it was iffy if we
were going to be able to get inthere and actually film, but uh,
we weren't able to.
They ended up shutting it down.
But uh, yeah, this gotcha, butlaurie is insane man.
The horrible history, yeah yeah, it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Uh, we were going through some of the incidents
that took place there and it wasjust, it was so tragic and it
felt very uncomfortable todiscuss it.
But, uh, the reason why wewanted to get you on a call for
this episode is because I feltlike I had a very like you did.
You had a good question veryrational question uh involving,
and let me it was the woman inchains.
It was the woman in chains.

(01:08:35):
This is one of the the biggerghost stories that are attached
to this and read them.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
The story, let them yeah, I'm going to read down the
story.

Speaker 2 (01:08:42):
I'm going to read down my notes.
So, uh, the woman in chains isseen wandering the second floor
or any other staircases.
She's tall.
A massated female apparitionappears bound in chains, her
face partially burned and limbstwisted.
Witnesses say she often appearssuddenly, lets out a low uh,
low moan or shriek and vanishesinto a wall or mirror.
Uh, psychic mediums describeher as a spirit in eternal agony

(01:09:05):
reliving her suffering, andtour guides report cold air and
pressure changes.
Wherever she is spotted, likethe air is being sucked out of
the room uh, and then she wassupposedly one of delphine's
long-term victims and yeah thereason why we wanted to have a
call is because I did read theline.

(01:09:26):
The psychic means describe heras a spirit in eternal agony and
reliving her suffering.
My question for you is becauseI'm fully trying to understand
the roles of what determines aghost and why a ghost
experiences what they experience.
So for me, I have a hard timebelieving that a woman, an

(01:09:48):
actual woman that took place,that was subjected to these
horrible torturous experimentsby this Delphine lady.
I have a hard time believingthat, after she passed away,
that her spirit would still betrapped in eternal agony in this
location where she sufferedfrom.
I have a hard time believingthat she would even be deserving

(01:10:11):
of that kind of fate post-death.
And my thoughts, you know.
My question for you is is whatdetermines exactly why a ghost
would relive that knowing thatthey were?
You know that was not, you knowthey weren't deserving of that,
if that's the proper way ofasking the question well, the

(01:10:32):
theory is that if um like say aperson you know dies, like with
a tragic event, A trauma.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
A trauma yeah right, a trauma that they don't even
realize that they're dead.

Speaker 4 (01:10:44):
It's almost like they're frozen in time with that
trauma.
That energy that that traumahas created has ultimately
created that haunting, thatspirit to stay where they are.

Speaker 3 (01:10:54):
Right and not able to leave.

Speaker 4 (01:10:56):
And that's why a lot of us, when we go out to all
these locations, we consider italmost like a spirit counseling.
We're counseling the spirits,we're able to talk to them, let
them tell us their story andsometimes that helps them move
on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
Gotcha so yeah, that's go ahead.
No, no.
I guess that's a hard pill toswallow for me, because to me I
feel like man, where is my brainright now?
Because this is such a darkcontent for me that I just have

(01:11:31):
a hard time believing that.
You know, I understand that thetrauma is like, so impactful
that there would be a relivingof eternal agony in suffering
post death.
But would you ever possiblybelieve that maybe the trauma is
so prominent that we're notdealing with a conscious

(01:11:52):
reliving of the spirit, but moreof a residual reliving?

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
Right, yeah, that's what I was about to say.
It could be negative energythat's left over, you know.
That's why you know, yeah, itcould be negative energy.
I mean there is leftover energy.
It could be left over onobjects, or, you know, there's
no reason why it couldn't beleft over in a space, because I
mean, you think about it for 30years.

(01:12:17):
You come home, you do the sameroutine you turn the TV on, prop
your feet up, you lay back andyou watch TV.
You do that same routine for 30years, whenever you pass away.
Why couldn't your energy stillbe attached to that chair type
thing?
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:12:34):
And also you know, with all of this energy, that
it's leaving behind.
Every emotion creates it Love,hate, jealousy, any of it can
create it.

Speaker 3 (01:12:44):
Right, and that's why , and also whenever people use
sage to cleanse an area, whatthe sage basically is for
negative energy.
You know you open up all thewindows, open up all the doors,
you sage the place, say whateveryou know, prayers, whatever you

(01:13:04):
know, whatever religion thatyou're a part of, and you know
that's a theory behind it.
But yeah, it could be negativeenergy left over 100%.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
I feel like sage gets rid of good energy too.

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
Well, I'm sure it does.
We don't know for sure, youknow sage gets rid of good
energy too.
Well, I'm sure it does.
We don't know for sure, youknow, but you know.
But yeah, I agree with you, itcould be negative.
It could be just leftovernegative energy, because it was
a real big impact and that wholeplace was filled with negative
energy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
And yeah, it could definitely be that that that's
what could be haunting the wallsI feel a lot more comfortable
with the idea of it beingresidual over, like a conscious
reliving of their pain andsuffering.
Um, because if you were to lookat it on maybe like a you know,
a principle or moral standpoint, I would like to believe that

(01:13:54):
it was simply ritual.
This, this person who sufferedduring her lifetime, is not in a
conscious spiritual state andthis is simply just a form of
residual negative energy that'sreplaying itself over and over
again.
Because I would like to thinkthat if there is something
destined for after we pass away,I would hate to think that that
would be where they end up.

(01:14:16):
They're just not deserving of it, and that's why I wanted to
have this question.
I wanted to ask you thisquestion because I feel I'm
slowly, slowly, I know we'reonly seven episodes in, but I'm
slowly learning.
Becoming a believer?
No, no, I'm slowly learning yes.
Yes, no, I'm slowly learning therules, the rules, and I'm also

(01:14:42):
starting to uh, also starting tounderstand that the rules can
also vary upon within each roleof how ghosts and and this is
like a far more intricate andand complex you know science,
that we're dealing with science,pseudoscience, I don't know
what people call it.
You know when it comes to theafterlife or ghosts, but there's
something far more complex herethan then, then maybe what I

(01:15:06):
have come into this you know,with the idea of what you know
what I mean yeah, it's.

Speaker 3 (01:15:12):
It's a ton of stuff out there.
I mean you got thought forms,of course, the leftover energy.
You got residual forms, ofcourse the leftover energy.
You got residual.
You got the you know theintelligence.
You got, you know, just themanifestation, any kind of
manifestation.
Yeah, it gets real deep.
I mean that even goes to.
Y'all were talking about sleep,paralysis and astral projection
.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
There's so much stuff you could dip your toes into
you know, we should do anepisode with you guys and just
dive deep on all these kind ofdifferent things.
I think that would be a coolepisode.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Terminology and all that stuff, because me and Bobby
just had a brief conversationabout the impact of mirrors and
the paranormal.

Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
I feel sick, dude I will say this we're seven
episodes and this is probablythe first episode where I feel
no shut up.
And this is probably the firstlike episode where you believe I
feel now Shut up.
I feel where I, where I, I Igenuinely feel like a, a
discomfort surging through mybody.
Um, like Pennhurst was kind oflike the door opening and I'm

(01:16:15):
seeing it from one perspective,but that this is the first
location where I I feel like I'malmost feeling the pain and
suffering from what we reviewedand it just opened up this new
outlet of questions I want toask.
I feel like they're going toget.
I feel like my questions aregoing to get tougher and more

(01:16:37):
nuanced and detailed oriented asthe episodes go on and I feel
like you're deaf.
You two are definitely theperfect people to ask because
you've been nothing butwonderfully open arms with me
despite my skepticism, and Ireally appreciate that.
And, yeah, just get preparedfor probably even a harder
questions than this and I wouldlove to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I don't think that was a hard question.
I don't, I don't think that wasa hard question.
I don't, I don't think that wasa hard question.

Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
I mean maybe not a hard question, but I felt like
it was a thoughtful questionbecause I feel like there's
going to be skeptics listeningto this podcast too as well, and
it's important that I'm able togive them a bit of a
perspective to help them be alittle bit more understanding of
this, this world, thisinvisible world that that

(01:17:24):
surrounds us.
So welcome to the dark side alot of it too.

Speaker 4 (01:17:27):
We're still kind of like everybody's just learning,
because like it's everythingthat we have as their theories
yeah they're.

Speaker 3 (01:17:37):
You know what in experiences we've, we've noticed
, we've, you know, patterns out,yeah, yeah so it's we've had
firsthand experience yeah, youknow, and you just question
everything oh, you have to, youhave to break it down, you, you
have to prove it.
Not paranormal, yeah, not.
You can't explain it.
I like that, you know, I likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:57):
Yeah, that's.
That's what's nice about havingyou guys, because me I think
everything is.
There was a light flickering inhere and I'm like, dude, it's
the ghost.
I don't feel well.
It could just be because I'mfucking dehydrated, I don't know
.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I have an idea.
We're going to be approachingour 10th episode soon.
Maybe on our 10th episode weshould probably do a podcast
dedicated just on a call withDavid and Allura and we just
discuss all like all this reallycool terminology and and
situations and predicaments thatyou can be in as paranormal.

(01:18:29):
You know activists and peoplewho involve themselves in these
situations.
I think it's important to maybeclear like present a clear
picture of people who areinterested in this world, and
you two seem to be the perfectpeople to help elaborate on that
and help people like me, whoare more on the skeptic side,
have a better understanding of aworld that I personally still

(01:18:52):
have not really experiencedmyself yet.
Oh, shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
That would be great.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
I'm being eloquent here.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
That would be great I'm being eloquent here.
That would be great.
Let's do that for episode 10.

Speaker 4 (01:19:03):
David and.

Speaker 3 (01:19:03):
Laura is that good for episode 10?

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
We'll have ghost school with David and Laura,
episode 10.
How's that?
I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
We really appreciate you jumping on the call with us.
I was really intrigued by that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
No problem Anytime.
We really appreciate youjumping on call with us.
I was really intrigued by that.
So, yeah, no problem, alright.
Well, we're gonna.
Alright.
Well, we're gonna get out ofhere before I go throw up, so
we'll see you.
Definitely.
Episode 10.
Stay tuned and we'll talk withyou guys soon, alright, sounds
good, alright, sounds good talkto y'all later.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
I like those people they know how to explain things
to me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
I like those people.
They know how to explain thingsto me.
I like those people.
I do too.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
I like those people too.
They've been nothing but openarms with me.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
Maybe they should be my co-hosts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:49):
People that actually believe I feel like they should
be your therapist.
You're my therapist, oh brother, that's a bad idea.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
That's a bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
That's a bad idea, man.
What a great episode, greatepisode.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
It's a long episode.

Speaker 2 (01:20:04):
It's our longest episode yet and it happened to
be the most draining.

Speaker 1 (01:20:07):
I know, dude, I genuinely I'm not trying to be
funny or do this for clicks orwhatever, but I genuinely don't
feel well from this episode.
I walked in here Felt great.
I'm hydrated, I had my coffee,I ate properly, everything was
good.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
And now I'm just like .
We're going to be okay.
Maybe we should sage.
Maybe we should sage, we shouldprobably sage the studio.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
You ain't fucking kidding.
We need to sage thismotherfucker.
I have sage at my house, I canbring it in.
I don't want your sage Fuckthat.
I don't have bad energyattached to that sage.
I need good energy sage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
You got bad energy sage.
I used it on my bedroomyesterday.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
That explains a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
And it was great.
Why do you use it if?
You don't believe Because itsmells good and it makes my.
But if you don't believe, whywould you go buy sage?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I don't use sage.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
I use sage, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh, uh- uh, laurie
mansion, thank you for tuning in, we appreciate it.
Episode eight coming up.
As we were saying a little bitearlier, we are staying down in
new orleans, which I don't knowwhy.
Les petits, oh, there's just somuch content there to be had.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
And then we're going to montana, y'all I know that.
That that one's fun.

Speaker 2 (01:21:10):
I feel good for that one I was like we gotta go
somewhere that people are justnot familiar with.
I think some people, peopleeven forget Montana is even a
state.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
I like it.
Oh, and, by the way, let's seeif anyone actually listened to
this episode I'm going to do oh,let's do something to prove I'm
going to do something to proveit.
I'm going to put 10 discountcodes on blackcraftcultcom and
blackcraftcoffeecom.
Can you write this down,because I'm going to forget

(01:21:40):
First 10?
people to use the code.
They'll be the same code onBlackcraftcoffeecom 10 people to
use the code,blackcraftcoffeecom and
Blackcraftcultcom.
I'm going to give you 30% off.
It's the first 10 people to useit.
The code is going to be 30, 30off.

(01:22:01):
Okay, the code is gonna be areyou guys ready?
Yeah, the code is sick s-i-c-k.
Because I feel sick, sick 30off go blackcraftcoffeecom.
Blackcraftcall Bunch of newshit is on both sites.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Shit's back in stock.
If you're not paying attention,you're not listening, then you
won't know that you have thiscode.

Speaker 1 (01:22:23):
Yeah, Also fuck you.

Speaker 4 (01:22:25):
What the hell.
That was like a demon coming atme.

Speaker 1 (01:22:29):
That was mean.
It's like something took overmy body.
Because that story you toldthey were listening.

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