All Aboard The PickleTrain with Chrissie Hintz

Unpack the secrets of staying injury-free in the fast-paced world of pickleball with the exceptional insights of Chrissy Hintz from Southlake Paddle Club. In a sport where the thrill of victory is only surpassed by the agony of defeat—and potential injury—we're bringing you a game-changer with Chrissy's innovative PickleTrain program. She's not just a player and instructor; she's transforming how we approach the game, from the perfect paddle search to volley techniques that borrow from tennis without causing confusion on the court.

Gear up for an honest exchange about the harsh reality of sports injuries, where I reveal my own battle with knee pain and how the tank M4 sled has flipped my rehab routine on its head. We dissect the myths of flexibility, dive into the dreaded pickleball elbow, and layout why proper technique can't be an afterthought. Our chat isn't just about overcoming pain; it's about rethinking fitness with a personalized touch and how we plan to extend that philosophy to our listeners through an upcoming virtual platform designed to bolster your game and protect your body.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's.
Another thing we want to focuson is injury prevention.
I mean, we're starting to seelots of articles, things about
pickleball health.
Pickleball injuries are upthrough almost 300%.
I think I saw on NBC5 came outwith that in one of their little
segments.
I was like, oh yeah, we'redoing this at a good time

(00:23):
because people need help andsome people just have no idea
where to get started.
And that's almost the beauty ofpickleball is that anybody can
do this.
But, can we be safe about this?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hey everybody, welcome back.
Season one, episode nineblazing paddles saddle up.
We glad you did, because todaywe're going back local.
We're talking to our friend,chrissy Hintz, another member of
the Southlake Paddle Club.
Chrissy is an exceptionalplayer.
She's also an instructor and atrainer and she's actually
embarking on a new endeavor.
Where they will be, she and herpartner will be trying to

(01:02):
prepare people better in fitnessand injury prevention with a
program called Pickle Train, saqspeed, agility, quickness.
It's pretty cool and it'ssomething that you've been out
playing pickleball for a whileyou know.
None of us wants to be injured.
So take a listen, get your earson.
Let's talk to Chrissy Hintz.
Chrissy Hintz, how long haveyou been playing pickleball now?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
So I've been playing pickleball for about four years,
actually started in 2019.
We had gone to a tennistournament they hosted Austin
for the top eight players andone night they have like a
banquet with food and but youcan get after you're done

(01:50):
playing, right.
So the guys were keeping downthe lines of the court and I
just went over them like whatare you doing with the court
here?
And they were like, oh, this isfor pickleball.
And I remember thinking, oh,that's that really weird thing
that I would see people playingon the tennis courts in my
college.
I'm like what?

(02:11):
Like what do they do on mytennis courts at college?
And here they are right.
Paving off the tennis courtsthat play pickleball.
And so I was just like, okay,well, tell me about it, I'm
intrigued.
So he explained a little bitabout, like, how to hit and how
to play that sort of thing, andso my sister and I went out
there and we dinked around alittle bit and that was my first

(02:32):
experience with pickleball.
And then, right before COVIDand I bought some paddles and I
had gone out and played with acouple of people on that on a
Facebook group and everythingshut down.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
And then remember that.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
And then my sister and I started playing again late
2020.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
So so did you buy just like a basic set of
pickleball stuff?

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I was actually working at a tennis center in
Arlington and they had stuff onsale there.
So I was like, hey, you knowwhat, I'll just buy this stuff
on sale.
And you know, I don't know, itseems okay.
I have no idea what I'm lookingfor in a paddle, you know, like
every first time person buyingtheir first paddle.
So, yeah, I bought them there.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
So, yeah, I think that's funny because we started
with, you know, the Amazon,whatever, and now, like
thousands of dollars later, youknow, still still working, still
trying to find the perfect one.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, because it's obviously the paddle, it's not
the, it's not me.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's the paddle, like I need touch, I need spin, I
need control, I need whatever.
And so you, but you were atennis player.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
A D1 in college right , okay, we were D2 at the time,
but yeah, d2 at the time.

Speaker 2 (03:47):
Okay, and you played tennis.
What was?
Was that conversion?
Do you still play?

Speaker 1 (03:53):
tennis, I still play.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
You do.
Yes, how do you keep both thoseskill sets going at a certain
level?
Cause that's going to be tough.
There's there's some starkdifferences.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
There is Cause.
Every time I step onto thetennis core I think my gosh, why
is this so big?
And you know what?
And I feel like I get out thereand I look at the core and I'm
like this is insane, this iswild that I'm covering this

(04:23):
whole thing, but in tennis Ijust I feel like you know,
there's even there's actuallymore time to move and get ready
to the ball, because it's justso far away.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You know, we're basically most of the time
baseline to baseline.
Things aren't happening.
You know, 14 feet apart, Right.
So I it's, it's.
It certainly takes me a littlewhile to kind of which my brain
from okay, I gotta go to tennis.
Okay, here I can step forwardon my volley and back to
pickleball and I'm like tryingto cut under my backhand volley

(04:57):
and I'm like, oh, this is not atennis racket, it's not going to
, it's not going to come offthat way.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Wait, what's that thing that you said?
Cut under my what.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
So all my in tennis usually kind of just like you.
Kind of you hit the ball butthen you kind of cut under with
a Right.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
You give it that backspin.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Right To get to get a little extra backspin off of
the racket face, and so inpickleball, when you do that,
what happens is that the ballkind of just sometimes the
movement's just too much.
I just dumped that ball on thenet.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
So that one, that one .
For me that's the hardest thing.
It's probably that volley rightthere.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Maybe that's what's wrong with yours, John.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
We're keeping it list .

Speaker 3 (05:42):
He's got a problem with the backhand at the net.
We haven't figured that out, orworking on a lot of things.
Yeah, but it's a, it's a,definitely a journey.
And so when did you, when didcause you're a, you're in a
certified instructor forpickleball like when did you
feel like, okay, I I mean yougot to tell us more like cause,

(06:03):
I know you're doing a lot ofthings that I have no idea.
I don't follow social media.
John does that for me, and sotell us what, like you're
competing at a high level.
You're extremely good player.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
He's shown up on a lot of posts on Instagram.
I'll tell you that cause she'sshe's earning some hardware.
I know that.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
So, um.
So I like to say that my firstjob was being a tennis coach,
and one of my old bosses canattest to this.
So I would run around and kindof coach my high school team

(06:45):
when I was in high school.
So, like my peers, like okay weneed to do this.
We need to do this, justanything to try to win, because,
in the fall, tennis is a teamsport.
So you're competing against oneother school.
You're trying to, you know, getthe most points if you get to
10.
And so I'm running around, youknow, trying to coach them up,

(07:07):
and another coach from anotherschool is running around chasing
me saying you can't tell themanything, you're not the coach.
So and coincidentally, he laterbecame my boss because I was
his assistant tennis coach- oh,wow.
So he knew he was hiringsomebody.
Good, I was coaching at youknow a younger age, like that.

(07:30):
But I would just say that Ijust I'm a natural born teacher,
feel like I mean all of my jobsthat basically consisted of
teaching.
I taught tennis, I tutored math, I was a classroom teacher at
public school.
I teach group exercise, I stillget tennis lessons.

(07:50):
I now also get pickleballlessons.
So everything I've kind of doneis just teaching.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Well, and it's obvious that activity is a huge
part of your life.
Yeah, you know, we we laughedabout it too because we're we're
pretty much nuts about fitnessand all that.
But you know, motion ismedicine.
Just keep moving and all that.
And you and I were swapping afew emails and I think this is
really interesting about howimportant.

(08:20):
I don't know if people realizehow important it is To be fit
and you know different types ofmuscles that you use in
pickleball, different moves.
I mean, we've heard ourselvesseveral times, but you're doing
something it's called thepickleball, the pickle train,
saq great name, by the way.
I can just I can think of ahundred cool logos for pickle
train.

(08:40):
But when did this come aboutand what is?
What's the whole concept behindit?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So it's myself and one of my really good friends,
jackie Bliss.
So she is a personal trainer.
I'm a group exercise instructor.
I have an extensive backgroundin tennis training and coaching,
so I know a lot of the littleins and outs of the work and how

(09:09):
to move and things like thatand she's going to kind of take
care of the personal trainingside of things.
But what we're trying to dowith.
It is number one.
So SAQ is speed, agility,quickness.
So those are all things thatyou need on a pickleball board,

(09:31):
right, so you want to?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
wait, speed, agility, and what Quickness, quickness,
quickness, yes, okay, so I'mtaking notes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
So what we're we're trying to do and is we want
quicker reaction times to balls,right.
So learning to anticipate thatball, kind of reading it before
they even hit it, so you'regiving yourself an idea of you
know where to go sooner.
And then so we want strengthand speed that's sustainable

(09:59):
over multiple matches, right?
So when you go and playpickleball, you know playing for
fun for two or three hours hereand there is great.
But if you want to startcompeting I mean you were at
that tournament All day long,you know and tournaments now are
starting to guarantee three,four, five matches, and so I

(10:26):
mean you're playing at yourhighest level for three, four,
five matches which can go on for30 minutes to an hour, Right,
with this traditional scoring,so there's no set amount of time
, and so, with the ball being awiffle ball and it doesn't
bounce as high, there's just alot of bending over having to

(10:47):
bend your knees.
You need a lot of quad strength.
You know you don't want to bendat your back and ensure your
back, so that's.
Another thing we want to focuson is injury prevention.
I mean we're starting to seelots of articles, things about
pickleball, how pickleballinjuries are up through almost
300%.
I think I saw on NBC five cameout with that in one of their

(11:12):
little segments and I was like,oh yeah, we're doing this at a
good time because we people needhelp and some people just have
no idea where to get started.
And that's almost the beauty ofpickleball is that anybody can
do this.
But can we be safe about this?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Well, I can tell you we weren't because you've
probably I don't know if youlisten, but I mean we've, I tore
my.
We have a whole boo boo list,right?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
And why don't John's got both biceps right?
Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
I, I tore both my hamstrings and my tricep, and my
knees were killing me.
Well, in the beginning we werea mess.
Now we do a lot of preventativethings.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Speaking of preventative things, prevent
yourself from having FOMO.
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You're going to be left out.
You're going to feel reallyawkward out there when this
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Look for all of our apparel.
But the trucker hats areblowing and going.
We hope you'll get one.
Wear it proudly around.

(12:20):
If we see you wearing one,we're going to give you
something special.
I don't know what that is yet.
We'll have to figure that out.
Get you a hat now.
Now let's get back to ChrissyHuntz.

Speaker 3 (12:35):
Yeah, that really helped with us.
We do the tank, so we do thetank M4, which is a
bi-directional resistance sled.
Have you heard of Knees Over theToes guy, ben Patrick, his
whole concept about buildingfrom the base up.
And that made total sense to me.

(12:56):
When John was going to thedoctor and they were
recommending surgery because ofhis knees, I was like I don't
think so because I did someresearch on it.
I was like at all costs we wantto avoid unnecessary surgery.
So we started doing thistanking and that helped with
everything, especially myhamstrings sore.

(13:18):
John bought a ball machine herelately.
This is number two.
Not only did I change all ofthat right.
Then he buys a ball machine.
Now I'm going out there andhitting hundreds of balls the
right way.
I woke up the other day I feltlike I was rig-a-mortis and said
everything hurt.
I am like what in the worldfrom shoulders?

(13:40):
all the way down and then doinga lot of reps, and now I can
feel the fatigue a little bit inmy legs and I'm in pretty good
shape, right, yeah, you are.
I mean people that don't dothose ancillary things.
Exercises are in a world oftrouble and I see them all the

(14:03):
time and I'm like man, you gotto do stuff other than just
pickleball.
But I do want to say one thingtoo.
So one of the ladies that Iplay with, she said oh, you're
so flexible.
She goes I'm not.
I'm like when I'm in yoga I canhardly do anything.
Blah, blah, blah.
And she said but they say thatpeople that are flexible get

(14:24):
hurt more.
And I'm like what?
And now I thought about that.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Well, I, guess, you know, I do feel like maybe they
feel like they can push theirlimits a little bit more because
they do have a little more ofthat elasticity, and so
sometimes they just don't know,like how far is too far.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Oh well, I don't know that.
Yeah, I don't really.
How far is too far?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Yeah, I have a problem with that.
Now is stretching andflexibility really important
Absolutely?
But that's interesting.
I haven't quite heard that one,but I mean, I guess I could
kind of see how.
They just may not know how faris too far.
You know, like when they'rewhen they're trying to extend
for a shot or something and theythink, oh yeah, I've got this

(15:14):
and then that's out of whack now.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Oh, Chrissy, I go for everything, I mean even.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Are you the at least Jones of the South Lake
Patacombs?

Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yes, that is absolutely her, that is her
spirit animal.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
I am like Laura Kemp was given a lesson the other day
and she actually used my nameas an example of somebody who
will not let a ball go.
If it's, if it's within reach,I'm going for it.
But so what do you recommend?
Injury prevention, like what?
Oh, and here's the other thing.
I also just recently had issueswith my hand.

(15:48):
Well, I've had a lot of issueswith my hand, but this one was
bad, where it sent me to thedoctor and then they wanted to
do carpal tunnel surgery andagain, I'm no.
You know what do you do forthat?
Have you ever had any what yeahhand like just the?
It was numb and you know theforearm because it takes a
beating in in pickleball, I feellike.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
Your hand.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right.
It does, and so what I think?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
I mean, it probably stems just from some form of
pickleball elbow that's justgoing all the way down Right,
and so what I see a lot of ispeople that don't have a tennis
background tend to to be theones that get pickleball elbow.
So what that what's happeningis is they're swinging and
they're stopping Suddenly Right.

(16:40):
So if I swing and I followthrough, I'm not forcing my
elbow to stop.
I'm then using my whole armhere up into my shoulder helps
stop my paddle.
So tennis players just I.
I never had a problem with theground, with tennis elbow, any

(17:01):
of that, but as a tennis playerlike I, follow through all the
way on that shot right over myshoulder.
So if you see me hit, what I do, I follow through all the way
over my shoulder.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
That's just carry over, you know what I can see
that in my mind right now?
No, and Chris that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
So, tim, that's one of the things he worked with me
on was my follow through andwill taught me how to hold, how
to swipe across the paddle toget topspin and power, and then
you know where you followthrough like this, and I'll tell
you my hand hasn't been hurtingas much so, even though the
rest of my body got all whackedout to trade off now.

(17:38):
Now my hands getting better, sothat makes complete sense to me
.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
So it and like so do you guys, you, and so Jackie is
your collaborator.
You guys design, like customprograms.
Do you have existing programsor how does?
How does it work?

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, we're.
No, we're going.
Yeah, so we're going to use anonline platform to push out Okay
, lookouts everybody, and theycan, of course, you know, check
in with us.
You know something.
They feel like something isn'tquite working.
We want to speak a little,something like I don't really
like this exercise is justsomething else.

(18:17):
I can do that sort of thing.
So we're hoping to host somegood camps in April and in May
to kind of help push the wordout, and you can find all that.
We can find us on Instagram.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
The pickle, okay where are you going to do it?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Our handle there we're, our plan is to hopefully
get boring and kind of all over,so we kind of hit all different
parts of DFW If you, if you'reup, I mean because the reason I
asked is because we went to whenwe were in the to.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
when we took that check for the, the club donated
$5,000 to the boys Ranch isgirls club.
No, no, no, no no, the one inFort Worth.
What it the boys ranch right.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Yeah, I forget the name of it though.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Hope Farm, hope Farm, hope Farm.
I remember.
Oh yeah, there's anothergentleman there who is a ex pro
football player who has thefranchise that is here in South
Lake.
That we're velocity or whateveryou were velocity used to be.
What's it called?
Down to training or somethinglike that.
Have you seen that building?
And yes, yes.

(19:27):
So in our conversation aboutpickleball he was like, oh, you
should come out and we should dosome classes here.
So, just, I don't, and I neverfollowed up with it.
You may want to follow up withthat, but they have the facility
.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
They're designing exercises and stuff that are
specific to pickleball and ortennis, or is this just general
fitness?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
It's a combination of both, right.
So a lot of general fitness isgoing to carry over, but there's
definitely going to be a lot ofwork, things that are going to
really help.
I really want to.
This one's hard to do becauseyou need to people, but I love
and this is one of my favoritedrills.

(20:12):
You just take two tennis balls.
Pickles are kind of light, soyou just take two tennis balls,
you just hold them out and youjust start.
You know, you throw one here,you, they throw it back.
You throw one here.
Oh, you throw this one again.
Just to work on their reactiontime.
You can start throwing them alittle bit quicker and a little
bit quicker and trying to whatdo you mean?
Add each other, and that'ssomething to Well the person

(20:36):
that's so like don't give herany ideas.
If you and John are yeah, justgonna start talking about you.
So so, John, you're the onethat's gonna be reacting, Okay,
so John's just going to standthere and he's going to have
both balls one on the left, oneon the right and then just throw
one of them and I out to theside You're supposed to get it
before it hits the ground, wow.

(20:57):
Right, so it's going to teachyou one.
Yeah, the wrong way.
And to to get a quick push off,I like it.
Right.
So to me, what makes a hugedifference in people's court
movement is having a quick,powerful first step that's going

(21:19):
to really carry me very quicklyand a long distance to the ball
and as I approach the ballthat's when I'm going to slow
down.
What I find, what I see, isthat a lot of people just start
to kind of meander to the ball,realize that they're not quite
going to get there in time, andthen speed up, and then they're

(21:39):
in a hurry to get there and hitthe ball and doing that
backwards.
You need to be in a hurry at thebeginning.
Slow down, have you seen me?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
People say that I look like I'm like I burst, you
look like I jump, it's like myI'm the quick like, but my whole
body yes.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
And.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
I'm like I'm there, they, they like it's like your
my springboard, like I just mywhole body springboards to the,
to the, wherever I'm going.
It's but yeah, but that's greatshow.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
That's what you should be doing.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
It's pretty good.
Video watching like that youmentioned something, and I know
this for a fact is like one ofmy big challenges.
I still try to consciously workon his footwork, especially in
pickleball, because you do havelimited space, but a lot of it's
lateral and a lot of it is.
You have to make quickdecisions and all that.
And, like when we took a couplelessons with you, it was so

(22:41):
easy for you to move us aroundwherever you wanted us, just
dinking, but you always seem tobe where you needed to be.
Even if, like you know, we'regoing to try to cut it, make a
significant angle or something,it didn't take you very long.
So there's got to be somethingthat you're seeing.
Either you're watching thepaddle face or you're watching
how people are.
I don't know.
You're you were able to get toplaces where it didn't look like

(23:04):
you were rushing, whereas we're, you know, going back and forth
and trying to try and find aplace where we can get you
running instead of having us run.
So footwork is everything Right.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
So yes, definitely.
I mean and it's one of thosethings too is sometimes people
aren't realizing that they'returning their body away in the
playing area and then so thatmakes it even harder to move and
pick a way to move, because nowmy body is not facing where the
ball is.
And if my body is not facingwhere the ball is, how am I even

(23:39):
really looking at the ball intomy opponent's paddle?

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Very good point, Because I'm like the girls that
stand there at the thing, justlike this, sit there ready.
They're just standing therelooking forward.
I'm like you're not evenlooking at what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, well, no, I mean well, and that's the thing
is like.
I mean I am watching.
I'm not necessarily watching my, I'm not hitting the ball, I'm
watching my opponent.
So all know.
As soon as, like as soon as mypartner hits the ball I don't
know where they're hitting andthen I already start to kind of

(24:18):
fill in.
So like if they hit that ballacross court and it's and it's
going to the person in front ofme, I already go ahead and slide
over A little bit.
So I'm in a better position tostart with, and then I can kind
of see from there where they'regoing to go.
I'm watching their paddle paceand my body is facing towards
that ball.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
So you don't follow the ball, even to your partner.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Not all the way.
No, not all the way.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Well, you must have a good partner.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
I know I need to know what my partner is going to do
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I just hit me.
I'm sure she's talking aboutone of her female partners, not
me.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
Well, I play with no.
No, there is something to besaid to that.
When I play with John regularly, I don't have to anticipate
what he's going to do as much orwatch what he's going to do as
much, because I can kind ofanticipate.
But when I'm playing withdifferent people, you don't know
their styles.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, and I wonder too if that has something to do
with tennis, because I neverwatch my partner hit the ball in
tennis.
If I'm at the net and they'reat the baseline, I'm not
watching them.
I'm watching my opponents tosee where they're starting to
move.
That's true.
That way, I know what mypartner's done.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
You turn around and tennis you turn around.
You might catch that ball rightin your mug.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, exactly, exactly so.
I just never.
I think that it's never reallyoccurred to me that I should be
watching my partner inpickleball, because I'm watching
my opponent.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Lower learning.
So tonight we're playingagainst two really good players.
How do you know?

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Ask her the question you were going to ask.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
I'm going to ask it.
So you know, merlee Chitiboyanaand Mary Harris, yeah, okay, so
we're dumb.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
You're dumb.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
What do you do when you're going into a match and
you know you're going to getyour butt kicked?
Or do you never think that way?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I don't like to think that way.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
I mean in pickleball, I always feel like there's a
chance.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Oh, that's true, that's us.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
So you'll see, because if you look at
professional pickleball and youlook at those scores, some of
those scores are wild.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Right.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Absolutely wild, like I mean 9-0-11.
Right.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
What happens?
What does that come from?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah, exactly so.
I mean, there's always a chancefor me and you could be hitting
all your shots and they couldbe off in that one game and that
gives you a little bit of aconfidence boost right there and
that might be enough to carryyou through the next game to win
that one.

Speaker 3 (27:16):
That's true, and John and I are notorious for the
longest games, no matter what,in leagues, we're always the
last team finished, intournaments, always the last.
Like we fight, we never.
We don't give up.
Yeah, and it's indicative ofhow long our matches go.
And so, even if there's like,even if we're down, I don't care

(27:40):
if it's 11-1, I'm still goingto try just as hard, probably
10-1.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Because 11-1 means a game for us.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, Just yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
I'm the same way, I don't give up until it's over.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
No, you're.
I remember I was about to bringup that you played in
Oktoberfest with us when we hadthe court set up and you and
Jarrett played, and didn't youplay against the two guys from
PPA?
Did y'all play?
Yeah, what could you tell thedifference, being out there with
those guys?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Oh yeah, they were not playing.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You think they were kind of taking it a little easy.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
They were taking it easy.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Yes, Really yeah absolutely.
Because you and Jarrett andthat's another thing we should
definitely talk about there'snot many married couples that
can play together.
I mean, we fought through it,we call it, you know, fight
through pickle, divorce and allthat kind of stuff.
It's tough, it's hard and youguys pulled it off too, but it's
never easy.
But it's so satisfying to beable to do that, especially when

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you have some success.
But you guys are I mean, y'allare awesome and you went out
there against those guys and youput up a hell of a game.
I remember that.
But you think, just being outthere with somebody at that next
level, it was just evident withhow they were playing.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Oh yeah, I mean, and the thing is is obviously the
better you are the thing.
Everything just slows way downfor you.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
So it's incredible to have gotten to play against
them.
I mean I, because everything isso slow for them.
I mean, you know, I know whereI'm going to hit the ball, but
they also knew.
They also knew, even rightbefore I hit the ball, where I
was going to hit the ball Right.
Like that's how just slow it isfor them, where for us it's,

(29:25):
it's not as slow, and, and Ithink that that's why there's
such a big difference betweenyou know, even high level pros
and low level pros, and thenhigh level amateur.
Yeah, it's just that, there's,it's.
It's just the slowing of things, slowing the things down.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right, it's the strangest thing right now
because we're kind of it'sfrustrating at times, but we're
probably three, five, okay.
So we're still playing in gameswhere it might be the majority
of the time, people are stuck,stuck at the baseline, they're
just banging.
It's a lot of banging and thenas we play, we played some
people that were clearly more,maybe a little bit more advanced

(30:05):
than us and all of a suddenwe're having all these extended
dink battles and we're havingsome real strategic play and
that was a blast, I mean, eventhough you know we were probably
, you know we were outclassed alittle bit by talent, but we
hung in those games really good,because that's kind of how, how
we want to be.
I think it's so odd that thebetter you get, the game gets
closer to the net.
It's really weird and peopleit's.

(30:27):
It's up to us to get past thestage where bangers can beat us.
How do you do that?
How do you beat bangers?

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Oh, yeah, you definitely have to play that
soft game.
You can't give them anythingtough.
If you can pull them into thenet and get out of the way,
you're more than likely going towin the point.
So but that's a tough one.

Speaker 2 (30:53):
It is.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Especially, you know, because sometimes they're just
hitting the ball so far you justcan't get out of the way.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Right.
But if you can't get out of theway, yeah, but some of them
come from tennis and they gotthat top spin and you think it's
going to go out and it thatball drops, you know.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
But oh yeah, yes, I know Right, because it also you
have to read how fast is thatball coming up the paddle?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Two.
So if it doesn't look like it'scoming off there that fast,
then it might drop in, if it'snot that high.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
So actually I saw a Facebook post from Dain
Greenrich and he let and I thinkhe's the one that he let
anything that was sped up in himhe let go.
Wow.
So he kept.
He kept record for several ofthe games he was playing and I
believe he said that 80% ofthose balls ended up being out.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
He wasn't even so.
You're not.
I mean you might give up onehere and there, and sometimes
it's a tough pill to swallow.
Yeah, I mean, if you're lookingat you know 80% of those are
going to go ahead and go out.
I really didn't go out.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
That's an interesting point.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Yeah, because we you know, that's another thing at
our level Two things you do youmake unforced errors a lot, and
you hit a lot of balls that areout.
You hit a lot of out ballsthat's just hard to kind of
break.
That's a good thing toconcentrate on, though, because
you think, well, I just want tomake sure I keep it in play, but
then you're allowing people tojust hit it however the hell
they want to hit it.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, yeah, there's no consequence for them.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
How do you do you recommend like video games or
what are they doing to get suchquick hand speed?
Because, like, I mean, I'mgetting quicker at the nut but I
mean it's still.
I just don't know how to buildany more muscle or any more
quickness to get from here tothere.
To you know what I mean, toyour backhand block, to your

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forehand.
I mean, what do you recommend?

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Well, I think it has a lot to do with your paddle
position.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Well, so no-transcript.
What I see is for one.
A lot of people just hang outwith their paddle close to the
belly button.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
It is much harder to take your paddle in an upward
direction.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right.
So I'm not saying to you knowCallie Jones it or you know
Callie Smith it and hold it.
You know, right here.

Speaker 3 (33:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
And right in front of your face.
You know, I mean I'm just goingto hold it kind of somewhere
near my chest, especially as thepaddle gets, you know, a little
heated right, because that'susually where everything is
going to be kind of right, theresomewhere between your belly
button and your chest.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
But I always point the end of my paddle wherever
the ball is.

Speaker 3 (33:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
So that way, if the ball is coming from this
direction, my paddle is pointedover here, my eye will see that
it's coming on this backhandside of my body.
Boom, I'm here when.
If my paddle is pointingforward and it's coming from
over here, well, at first itthinks it's here on my forehand
side.
So then I start to lean to myforehand.

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But no, it's coming across mybody.
So I got to move it around mybackhand.
So that to me kind of trainingmy brain to say like Okay.
My dividing point here where isthat ball coming on?
Which side of it is it on?
And then I'm able to get therea little bit quicker, I like.
But wall work too, it's alittle harder, it's a little

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harder to do, but you can do itand be effective with it.
It doesn't necessarily simulatethe same, because sometimes you
have to hit the ball kind ofstrange off the wall, but it can
work.
But then firefighting with eachother, I mean you know you have
a built in partner here.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Oh, trust me, that caused a little tiff the other
day.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
I know about that.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
She was coming in hot .
Now are you.
You're still competing intournaments quite a bit, aren't
you?

Speaker 1 (35:09):
I but taking it easier this year.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
But just the cost of tournament is crazy.
One and two I just don't feellike I get to train kind of how
I would want to, in order toplan a lot of tournaments.
Kids are kind of going to.
You know they're getting to bein more activities, so, and then

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I'm working in the evenings.
The new indoor pickleball nowis opening this weekend, so I'm
going to be working over there.
Okay, I'm during the eveningsduring the week, so Now, what is
that?

Speaker 2 (35:52):
What is pickleball now?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
It's called indoor pickleball now.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Indoor pickleball now Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Yes, and it is an indoor pickleball facility.
We have five courts and it isin Haslitt.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
It's.
It's five minutes from thelifetime align.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Okay, that's cool, so it is brand new.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Super close.
Yes, it's, the grand opening isthis Saturday.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Oh, that's cool, so, and we'll make sure to.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
If it rains Saturday.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Okay, that's a good option.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
If it rains.
I know they got it wrong todaythey got it wrong today, but it
looks like it's coming.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
I think that's the future, is indoor pickleball?
I mean just dealing with theseelements especially.
It could just be I just so muchprefer outdoor.
You do yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I do too.
I'm with you, john.
I love playing outdoors, eventenants.
And you had to go play inside.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
I was like I just like being out outside.
I like fresh air, I like thesunshine, I like.
I mean, we played the othernight and Karen mentioned the
elements we're in, we're in aleague game and we were out in.
What does it mean?
It's not McKinney.
Where was it Frisco?
Frisco, and it was last Fridaynight.
I don't know if you remember,but the wind was just horrific,
it was horrible.

(37:00):
Especially up there because it'slike flattest part of Texas
it's like being in Midland, butwe were playing with these
people and the wind was justwith them and we we ended up
winning every match.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
We did so good.
Chrissy, you would have been soproud of us Like.
I was like I was amazed.
Was this the league?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Yeah, this is for our league, tcd, and we were just
grinding out points andeverybody was getting so pissed
with the wind oh my God, I can'tbelieve that went out.
Oh my God, I can't believe howhard I had to get.
It's like we're all doing thesame thing.
I mean, you're playing a gamefrom each side.
So I think that you know, beingkind of grinders by nature, we
just sort of we fought throughit and she was like how did we

(37:37):
do that good?
And I was like maybe we're likethose players that play good
mad weather, we're mutters,we're like a horse that goes
good on the wet track.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah, that's what you call it, it's mutters.
So, chrissy, how far do youwant to take?
Pick a ball, like what do youwant to do?
Cause you're not, I get it onthe tournament thing, but I mean
, do you, what do you want to dowith it?
Like, what's your longterm?

Speaker 2 (37:58):
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Speaker 1 (38:40):
I mean what I love to try to play pro.
I would do I feel like I'mthere.
No, yeah, um, maybe if I could,and I mean I feel like I can at
least hang with you know a lotof the other high level people

(39:01):
in the area, I mean mytournament results, you know,
reflect that, but it's just oneof those things like I'm playing
maybe once a week, oh, and youknow, all these other people are
playing four or five, six,seven times a week and I'm not
getting that.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
So I just if I could get that, then you know I would,
I would like to give it a goand if I could get, you know, a
sponsor or two um, a sell.
Kirk has been great.
Um, you know, and I've gotten,you know, lots of stuff from
them and paddles and things likethat, and I love that.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Do you?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
you can't convince me otherwise that that new one
that came out have you alwaysgetting used to it, but I love
it yes.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Have you always been a sell Kirk Kirk?

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Well, you know, and that's funny, um, because the
first paddles that I ever boughtwere sell Kirk paddles
interesting.
So yes, um, but I'm lookingthere for a little bit that I
bought from somebody for forpretty cheap when my cell card
the first one finally broke.
I mean I played with that thingfor it.
That sell that first cell cardfor a year.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Wow and.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
I think, well, yes, and I think back to like if I
had had a better paddle and Ican even play with that thing
now and it's, it's like playingwith I don't even know what I
would equate playing A woodenpaddle.
I mean, you know, I like theweight of a wooden paddle
honestly.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
Really.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
The weight of yes, and they feel kind of nice.
But the, I don't know, this isjust maybe kind of playing like
with some super hard cardboard.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
You know, the thing is like your, the equipment is
moving at such a fast pace.
I mean that's why we'veinvested so much, cause, like
the technology just gives, it'smoving super fast.
Um, same thing with balls, youknow.
And then you know with thetalking about where you want to
go with the sport, I meanhonestly, I just want to play
the rest of my life and get usto the next level where we can I

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can not be, so, you know havemore consistency and and just
not be so frustrated.
That's where we want to get to,and then this will be a
lifelong sport for the two of us.
And, and you know, and you haveyoung kids, our kids are out of
the house.
We're empty nesters, like we'reliving for pickleball right now
, other than his, you know work,except for my job.

(41:29):
That thing gets in the way allthe time.
But but that I mean it.
We're pickleballers for life.
And but I do you know you'vewon probably how many.
How many medals do you know?

Speaker 1 (41:40):
Well, when I did my bio for indoor pickleball.
Now it's at least 27.
Wow, it could be that 27 ofthem are gold.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Wow, okay, yes.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't remember which
one I said.
It's on my bio.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
That is 27 more gold medals than we have.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
And, and I want more than the, do we have two or
three?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
We've got two and I think the third.
I have third.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yeah, I have three of two.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, but I've got the big lifetime pickleball
champion jug that I shaker yeah.
I shaker.

Speaker 3 (42:23):
That's right.
I asked this of all of ourguests, chrissy, and what's your
favorite shot?

Speaker 1 (42:29):
If I'm playing singles, when I'm returning on
the right side or on the leftside.
I love my forehand straight upthe line there.

Speaker 3 (42:40):
Oh, that's a good one .

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I don't have that, my favorite.
I'm playing doubles.
I mean, I like hittingoverheads.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
Yeah, and putting it away.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
Trying to put it away .

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Well, you brought up.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I feel like hitting overhead.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
You said Selkirk, I don't want to just go past that
too quick because you're you'restill part of their program,
right?
What is it called developingpro or something like that?

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Emerging.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
Emerging pro.
So obviously you know talentwas identified and that was a
program.
But I mean again, you, it'skind of neat.
We'll see you guys show up andtake your kids everywhere too,
which I think is awesome.
It's just hard that time oflife to be selfish, because
you'd really have to be selfishright now to do that.
So you know you're a good mom,so sue you.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So what is the emerging program?
I don't think most people knowwhat that is.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
So it's based on your a little bit based on your
duperating and kind of otherlike social media presence,
no-transcript you've done intournaments, you know at certain
levels and things like that.
So and I guess they just sayyou know, if you apply for the

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program and you have a highenough rating and they you knew
good enough, yeah, you can getinto the emerging program which
they they do pay out.
You know if you get main drawwins, in tournaments and things
like that.
So, and you know they also knewpaddles and clothes and stuff

(44:19):
like that.
So I mean it's a really goodprogram.
You know, if you're into that,paddle right into their paddles
right.
So I like their paddles, that'swhat Sharon and I play with,
that's what the kids play with.
So and you know it's, I've beenvery fortunate to be part of
that program and, you know, havea lot of demo paddles for my

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students to try.
And, you know, spread that soquick.
Love that way.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Right, right Now.
So we didn't get to the end.
What's the end Like?
Do you think you'll ever giveup tennis?
By the way, come on over to thelights.
No, you have to.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
No and it's.
I don't think I will, I it's tome.
While they're similar, they arealso very, very different.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
And, and the other thing too is, is that my sister
and I, you know, we play doubles, pickleball and tennis.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
So it's.
It's one of those things thatwe can continue to do together
as well.
Um, there are tons of tennisleagues.
They're all in Dallas.
I don't mind driving out there,as long as it's not rock ball.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
Yeah, oh gosh, I know , I don't.
Oh the bridge.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
It's a love hate relationship with that place
Right it's just, you know, thebridge is like another 20
minutes.
Well, um, it gets me every time.
I'm like why, um, but no, Iwon't ever give up tennis.
I mean it's, it's not something.
I mean I'm in good enough shapethat you know my body doesn't

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hurt from it.
Like the challenge of beingable to cover the tennis, the
whole tennis core, that sort ofthing.
Um, I think the strategy is alot different, so I'm one of
those.
I also like strategy boardgames, yeah.

Speaker 3 (46:17):
Oh, like which one?
What's what's your, one of yourfavorites?

Speaker 1 (46:23):
What are my favorite?

Speaker 3 (46:23):
Which one?

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Tan.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Wait, what is it?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
The tan the tan.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
What's that?
Oh, katan the tan, the tan.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Yes, right, yeah it's .
It's a game that me and theboys used to play, where you'd
have to get yeah, cool game,Very cool game.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
Your roads, and there's an expansion with the
sea.
You got to get your way to theore, right you?

Speaker 3 (46:42):
got to get your ore to the ore Gosh now you two
geeking out on me with yourboard games.
It's a great game.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Like I said, like I like strategy games.
So to me, you know, tennis isjust another um, and the good
thing is is that I cannot playtennis for a while and I can
just go out there and mostlyremember how to play Right.
But the strategy is differentevery time because it also
depends on, like, who you'replaying, what you're going to do

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, that sort of thing.
And it's the same thing withpickleball.
I mean, you walk on to thepickleball court and you know
you're playing well and so, butyou've got to have a strategy
going in yeah.
Okay, so that that part of it Ilove.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Ooh, ooh.
I have a question for you.
Um, okay, so we were playingagainst these guys that well,
all they, they, everything was,uh, what do you call it?
Slice?
Huh, slice, slice, slice, slice, slice, super spin, slice,
Super spin, slice.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
They obviously had some a ping pong background,
because everything was just yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
Like what's your, what do you, how do you, how do
you handle that?

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Somebody doing spin, a lot of spin.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
So so I it doesn't bother me that much when, when
people start adding differentspins to the balls, um, but I do
try to neutralize that byhitting more at them.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
So so they're able to get that slice on it, because
they're kind of reaching out alittle bit.
So if you cut under that ball,where if the ball's more in
front of them, you've got todrop that paddle a little bit,
one way or the other I can't geta skid of a slice from you.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
That's true, that's a good idea.
But how do you get the?
Because a lot of times and thisis just in general, right,
you're the ball spinning got asevere, um, you know, slice when
the ball's spinning at you.
Um, one thing I had to learnwas to scoop it up a little bit
more, otherwise you hit it inthe net.
But but then you know, nothitting it up and out, right,

(48:50):
yeah, or you know, and knowing,though, that if I'm going to do
that, I'm probably not going tobe dropping it, not at our level
.
You may be able to do that, butnot at our level, right?
So then, like we talked aboutit, you know, I'm going to, I'm
going to, it's going to pop up alittle bit more.
So then you know, we may put uson the defensive, but it still

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keeps the ball in play, you know?
Um, I just didn't know if therewas any magic sauce to it other
than that.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
No, I mean you can try to neutralize it a little
bit just by hitting at them,just kind of trying to make them
force them to change thatpedaling a little bit.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, I had two things.
One I wanted to.
I want to repeat what do youthink is the most important shot
to master?

Speaker 1 (49:34):
I would say a topspin drop.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
How would you do a topspin drop?
That's what I'm learning.
Just talking about this theother day.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Tim was helping me with.
That's what I'm doing now.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I would definitely say a topspin drop Um it's in.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Oh wait, a topspin drop.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Drop.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
Okay, no, that's not what Tim was saying.
Here's a drive, all right, howdo you do that?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
And so it's one of those things and bear with me
because this sounds a littlecrazy you have to hold the ball
on your paddle for as long aspossible.

Speaker 3 (50:07):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
So what I'm saying is like when you're hitting that
ball, you're just trying to pushit here and hold on that paddle
before it comes up and off.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
I'm getting that kind of upward motion to give that
topspin on the ball, but I'mtrying to hold it on my paddle
for as long as I possibly can.
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
We're going to get a lot of video of us trying to
learn that, because that ballmachine.
We're going to wear that suckerout.
The other question I was goingto ask you is because you, you
know you, I know you played inthe nationals too right, you
were out there for the weekendand stuff.
Wow, what a weekend that was.
Do you have any prosspecifically that you really

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love to watch them, or do youadmire their game?
You have any?

Speaker 3 (50:49):
favorites?
That's a good question.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I am a big fan of Megan Funch.

Speaker 3 (50:54):
Oh yeah, wait, which one is she?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yes, well, she predominantly plays on the APP
tour.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
She has.
She has two kids, I believethey're eight, nine and eight.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Eight and seven.
They also play.
Oh I know, pick a ball, yeah,oh yeah, and they are good,
they're good, they play tonationals.
They're her young, herdaughters won some three, five
singles.
She's won some three, ohsingles, yeah, and in a couple
of different APP tournaments.
But I've talked to her severaltimes and he is just the best

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sportsman and she is.
She's so nice, like I mean,she's probably my favorite.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
That's cool.
Yeah, because we've maybe we'vebumped into a few people and we
didn't know anything about theprogram probably year and a half
ago, because we're like I thinkmajority of pickleball players
aren't, they're just they loveto play.
But then you start seeing someof these guys and some of the
young guys and ladies coming up.
I can't just say guys, but haveyou seen this guy, jack Sock?

(52:05):
Have you seen him play?

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
He's a scary dude.
He can hit the ball so hard.
But you know you mentioned thather kids play too.
I saw a video the other day.
Elise Jones, her daughter,plays and oh my god, these kids
are just destroying peopleReally.
She's probably 50 pounds andyou know, nine years old or
something.
Yeah, I think they're.
I think she's 13 or 40.
Yeah they're just killing folks.

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She has a little partner and Imean they have all the.
You can tell they've beenwatching because they have all
the same moves that the pros doafter they celebrate the points
and stuff and they're probablyAnna Lee fans or whatever.
But yeah, we've got intowatching it for a while and then
got out of it because we'rejust rather play than watch.
But the game has advanced to apoint where I mean the level

(52:52):
that some of these people play,and then you have this young
generation coming up thatthey've been playing it since
they had.
You know.
I mean, if you've been playingthis game since you're five or
six or whatever, you're going tobe pretty scary.
I'm going to say, if I had todo over with our kids.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
We were playing it With our kids.
We would have started them withpickleball and so, but we
didn't know it was there.
That's one do over.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Oh, mine, mine play tennis and they play pickleball.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
So I think that's awesome.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Well, now your do you golf too.
Aren't you a golfer?

Speaker 3 (53:23):
I do golf.

Speaker 2 (53:23):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's like I remember talking
about this one.
How do you fit?
It all in.
She was like a Tarleton.
Did you go to Tarleton?
Yeah, and I think she could.
She was either going to playgolf or tennis, and your sister
played one.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah.
So I actually wanted to playgolf.
I also needed a full ride.
He didn't have one available.
He ended up splitting itbetween two girls and he's like,
well, I get split in three ways.
And I was like, yeah, but thetennis coach offered me a full

(53:59):
ride.
So I went tennis and honestly,I don't.
I think that I had a muchbetter.
I mean, if I had played golf Iprobably would have said that I
don't think I go to God wrongeither way, but I mean I did
love playing tennis at thecollege level.
I really did.
I mean just the athleticism ofand I mean you know, I say you

(54:22):
know it's, it's just a D2college.
Well, I still give out fullrides for scholarships and
things like that.
I just think it's betterbalanced as far as I'm concerned
.
I mean, I loved my collegeexperience there and my sister
also went there and she playedgolf.
That's so cool, and so you guysare both very athletic,
obviously, and you're stillplaying together.

(54:44):
That's great.
It's a big ball family, atennis family.
I mean, I'm not sure if I'mgoing to be able to play golf,
but I think I'm going to be ableto play golf.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
I mean, I think I'm going to be able to play golf,
and so we're going to be playingtogether.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
That's great.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
It's a pickleball family, a tennis family and well
, and we want to make sure we'regoing to have stuff in our show
notes about indoor pickleball,now pickle train, saq.
We want to do that.
Is there anything else comingup that you really want us to
make sure that we let peopleknow about?

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Well that you are.
Are you still training peopletoo right?

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yes, yes, if you want to.
Yes, I'm still training people,so if they want to reach out to
me, and we're also going to putout the early warning.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
October 11th through 13th is October fast.
We'd love to have youparticipate again, and maybe you
can hold a boot camp onemorning too, and maybe you can
drive some attention that way.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
That would be fantastic.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Get us warmed up.
Get everybody warmed up.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Yes, and your blazing paddles, that's going to be
coming your way, it's coming myway.
Yes, well, it's been so greatgetting to know you.
I mean, I knew this much.
No, I know this much.
No, I love it.
I love it.
That's the pickleball is suchan amazing community of people

(56:06):
and it's so great to go deeperoff the court and, you know, get
to know who we're playing with,Because you know you're out
there, we're focused on playingand not who the person is, and
it's just great to get to knowyou and your background and your
passions and what you do andlet everyone else know who

(56:26):
Chrissy hints is.
Yeah, it's so cool getting tohear people's stories and their
journeys to pickleball and howit all brought us together
Because, like, how would we haveknown?
You know, with kids, our kidsaren't the same age, you know,
without this sport, we wouldn'thave known each other, you know.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Yeah, exactly no, it's one of those things that I
mean yeah, you know, andsometimes it's hard to make
friends, you know, when you getolder, you know you're busy with
a new job a new life and work.
And then you know, here you are,like you know, in your 30s, and
I'm like who are we hanging outwith here, each other all the

(57:04):
time, which is great, Don't getme wrong.
But you know like it's nice tojust.
You know you get to go meetother people and then those
people become your friends andyou get to see them all the time
, that sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
So yeah, that's supposed to be limited to
whoever's the parent on theLittle League team, because
those are the only people youwould see.
Yes, exactly, yeah, so we havehundreds of new friends and it's
just been a great experienceand thank you for being part of
that too.
You gave us a couple of lessonsand we've watched you and been
able to see some of your play.
You guys are amazing you andJared both and look forward to

(57:37):
having you participate againwith us and I'm honest, I think
doing something like your bootcamp or something would be
really fun.
I would do it.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Oh yeah, no, that would be fantastic.
We would love that.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
All right.

Speaker 3 (57:50):
I would do it because I need to know what you do
versus what.
I'm doing what all.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
What all that is?
It's the footwork, I'm tellingyou.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Well, and that's the thing you grew up playing tennis
, your footwork was a lot,probably, of that, and I don't
have any of that.
I mean, I'm doing what I thinkis right, but I don't know.
You know, I'm just doing it.
Now.
I've been working on thesemechanics Like that's another
mechanic that we need to focuson that you know outside of shot

(58:22):
selection and court positionand and you know your swing.
Now, what should you be doingwith your feet?
I think that's a reallyimportant one.
All right, well, you have agood evening.
We're going to go get our buttskicked.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Yeah, we're going to go, no, we're not.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
No, you're not.
You're going to do good.
We're going to show them howgood we are.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
It's another learning opportunity.