Maximizing Pickleball Performance: with Dr. Eric Korem

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
So, you don't understand.
He is like a geek out on this.
I mean, for the last couple ofdays, all he could talk about is
you and your app.
And do you know what does this?
Do you know what does this?
One thing it tracks is sex.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you serious?

Speaker 3 (00:17):
I said so I'm looking for it, I'm trying to figure it
out.
Shut up?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Okay, this is news to me.
Are you talking about in the O?

Speaker 1 (00:24):
I was like how's he going to know the difference
between?
The eight best minutes on apickleball court.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Episode 17.
Here we go, folks BlazingSaddles.
We ride again.
Today we are speaking with EricCorum.
He is a sports scientist and ifyou're geeking out about your
pickleball game and you're stilllooking for ways to improve,
this is a guy.
He's developed technology and awearable and biometrics
specifically for our sportwarm-ups.
In-game strategies uh,post-game strategies.

(00:54):
I think you're gonna like thisone and make sure you check out
show notes.
We'll have a discount code foranybody wanting to get his app,
aim seven.
So let's get a chance to knoweric quorum.
Saddle up and have a listen.
You'd be glad you did, are you?
Yeah, I don't know if younoticed that my wife's wearing

(01:15):
an Aggie hat right now.
I'm an Aggie grad as well, soyeah, class of 03.
Oh well, you're a little bityounger than me.
Oh well, you, you're a littlebit younger than me.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I'm yeah, 89.
Oh, nice, nice.
Um, I actually played footballthere, did you really?
Yeah, uh, 99 to 03, oh my, gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Well, I feel like I know you because I've been
looking at your face up the lastI wasn't a prominent player,
trust me, you wouldn't haveknown me from that no, no, no, I
know you from the app.
I downloaded the app.
Okay, just to check it out andthank you.
We're talking about aim seven.
We'll get into all this, but itwas pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
You do all the examples of the various
exercises, so I saw that andwe've got a huge library catalog
in there the warmups andcooldowns, and I think there's
like four or 500 differentexercises in the app.
But we can talk about thatlater.
The new version comes out inSeptember, I can send you guys a

(02:17):
kind of a it's.
The whole thing is gettingrebranded and it'll kind of look
and feel more like pickleball.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Oh cool, yeah, so pickleball.
And now I know your background.
Obviously you started infootball and I read a lot of
your your bio, nfl, olympicathletes, all kinds of Wait?

Speaker 1 (02:31):
I don't know any of this.
Tell us, tell us.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Well, you should.
Now, after study.
I guess you studied kinesiologyat A&M and then you went on to
get your doctorate.
How did you get into this, thisindustry of being like this
performance guru?

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Oh well, I don't know if I'll go with guru, but I'm
always learning.
I think what I mentioned Iplayed football at A&M and I was
a walk-on there, and so youknow how hard it is for walk-ons
.
You're just always trying tofigure out a way to get on the
field, and so I was obsessedwith doing whatever it took and
I ended up getting to play Um,and in that process I had a

(03:13):
wonderful strength coach, MikeClark.
He's actually still in the NFL.
He's with the Detroit lions,with Dan and all those Aggies,
right.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Aaron.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Glenn and know those guys really well.
And, um, I had a chance to goto the university of Arkansas uh
, as, to work as a graduateassistant there and strength
conditioning was very blessed towork with some of the top
sprinters in the world.
Uh, one day this coach walks inand he's like, hey, you want to
train these athletes?
And it happened to be aVeronica Campbell Brown who

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ended up winning eight Olympicmedals, three goals, and I got
to travel the world with theseOlympic sprinters over about a
14 year period while I wasworking in college and pro
football.
And um, so I went on this pathof being a traditional strength
conditioning coach, worked at alot of schools in the sec,
different places, and then mycareer really had this major

(04:00):
inflection point in 2011.
I was at Florida state withJimbo Fisher, of all people.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And, um, uh, I had the opportunity.
I was, I was in an interestingrole.
He hired me as the speed coachand, um, I really had this
vision for bringing sportsscience Like I was seeing
emerging in other countries, tothe United States.
So I went to Australia andliterally was embedded with an

(04:27):
Aussie rules football team forlike a month and I came back
with a suitcase full of thesetracking devices.
So we're the first people toever track football players and
games and practices.
So these devices were like thesize of a deck of cards and we
would put them I would duct tapethem to the pads of the players
and we're collecting, like GPS,satellite data and

(04:48):
accelerometry crazy stuff, right, and we quantified the game of
football for the first time.
So this is before the AppleWatch existed.
Fitbit was kind of barely athing and our team coach, to his
credit, gave me a lot of leewayto train our players
differently.
He helped me, let me managepractice with him and we had an

(05:09):
88% reduction in injury in oneyear.
And then the NFL flew in andwas like what's going on here?
And it led to this explosion inthe market for wearables that
literally opened a multi-billiondollar market.
So that's when I went on toUniversity of Kentucky and then
helped start sports science forthe Houston Texans and got the

(05:29):
doctoral degree.
So my career has kind of beenlike I've always been innovating
and trying new things andreally kind of cut my teeth and
trying to take data and makehuman performance solutions.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Okay, wait.
So what was your position on orwhat?
What position did you play infootball?

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Uh, I was a defensive end my senior year.
That's where I ended up playing.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Okay, and then these little trackable things, um,
these little cards or whateverit reminds me of, like you know,
the things that they throw in atornado, and it measures.
Twister, yeah, like they throwthem into a tornado.
And it gives you yeah, oh, likeTwister, yeah, like Twister,
you know they throw them into atornado and it gives you all the
data points that they're goingthrough.
That's super cool.
So that invention led to whatI'm wearing my Apple Watch and

(06:16):
these.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well, those consumer wearables, the Fitbit was around
right.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
The athlete wearables .
You can't buy these on the.
You know the average consumeris not going to buy one of these
.
These are thousands of dollars,right.
But it really started inEnglish Premier League soccer.
These players if you want toGoogle it, you can Google like
catapult tracking and they wouldwear these compression devices
and in the middle, the uppermiddle of their back, they'd
have these like card-like orthey're about like a deck of

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cards, and it connected with GPSsatellites so you could get
speed.
Then it had something called anaccelerometer in there so you
could get acceleration anddeceleration.
And then there was likesomething called a magnetometer
and gyroscope so you couldfigure out where the player's
facing on the field.
So if you watch an NCAAfootball game now, you'll notice
that like in the upper part ofthe back, middle of the pads,

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there's kind of a hump.
That's where all those devicesgo.
Now in the NFL we put them inthe chip.
There's these little two chipsthat sit in the top of each pad.
They embed them right here andhere and in the NFL stadiums we
had these little beacons and weused what's called RFI
frequencies, and so anyways,long story short, it was just If

(07:33):
you ever watch a game in theNFL and you see it's like
so-and-so ran 21 miles an hourand it says AWS, next-gen stats.
That's the technology Ipioneered.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
What did we just learn?
Did you know this?

Speaker 3 (07:45):
I knew the data was there.
I had no idea they were wearingthose trackables on the
wearables because they're notreally visible unless I guess,
you know where to look.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Exactly, exactly.
So it was a wild ride and had alot of fun doing that and I
wanted to.
So we were building all theseamazing solutions for elite
athletes to improve theirtraining, to help them stay
healthy.
And then that led to looking at, well, the whole part of
training an athlete, like themental side and the physical and

(08:14):
the nutrition, and so I kind ofassumed a role where I would
oversee all of that and I kindof got this idea.
I was like, hey, I wonder if wecould bring this capability to
the average person on the streetwith, like an Apple watch right
, like to help them live ahealthier, more fulfilling life
and give them reallypersonalized, detailed

(08:35):
recommendations for their healthand wellness.
And so I started the companyaim seven and that's what we do,
and, um, and then I foundpickleball, like a lot of people
, that just changed everything,right, right, and so, yeah, uh,
we can talk about that a littlebit later, but that was kind of
my journey in in in humanperformance.

Speaker 3 (08:55):
Well, so I mean you were, you were a D one athlete.
You get out of school and yousaid you went to Arkansas and
you're going to be helping trainsprinters.
How were you able to justassimilate and train world-class
sprinters?

Speaker 2 (09:10):
That's a great question.
I probably wasn't really superqualified, you learn.
This is the problem.
There really wasn't a greatcurriculum for this here in the
States, and so a lot of it wasSED do, which is not a good
model.
I would take exercise scienceclasses, but exercise physiology

(09:31):
doesn't really relate totraining elite athletes or
athletes in general.
It's more like cardiacrehabilitation.
So I ended up just takinggeneral physiology courses in
the vet med building.
I just love physiology and um,and so a lot of it was reading
training manuals, visitingbiomechanists, uh, talking to

(09:52):
elite performance coaches.
A lot of it was I was overseasin Australia and the UK they
actually have.
You can get degrees and thingslike sports science and high
performance coaching, so I wasgetting a lot of my information
from overseas.
And then in track and field,athletics is a very old sport
and so some of the foundationalprinciples of developing an

(10:15):
athlete can be traced back tosprinting.
So that really gave me aneducation and I learned a lot
along the way and you know,built up kind of a you know, you
learn how to do this and youlearn the right way and the
wrong way, and then as scienceemerged, you're reading as much
scientific literature as you canand you having to go back and
apply it.
I was very blessed later on,when I was at the university of

(10:37):
Kentucky, when I got my doctoraldegree, I helped them start the
first master's program for highperformance sport here in the U
?
S.
So that was, uh, quite a quitea cool opportunity to to turn
around and help create somethingto educate the future of, you
know, the coaching profession.

Speaker 3 (10:52):
That was the first one for high performance.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
High performance is this um, is the um, it's the
basic.
No.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I'm in that category, john.
Of course he's working on it.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Elite performers.
So it's like the physical, thepsychological, the technical,
the tactical.
So the training of the athletes, the actual sports skill, the
strength and conditioning, thenutrition, the sports psychology
, and then sports science.
So bringing it all together inone cohesive program.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Nice.
Well, it's funny because it'skind of kismet how we ended up
getting connected with you.
Excuse me, andrea reached out,yeah, and I was reading about
the program.
I was like holy cow, I mean,this guy couldn't have been a
better match, because we're youknow, we've discovered
pickleball and have injuredourselves.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
Wait a minute, god knows how many times.
I don't know when you foundpickleball, but we found
pickleball during the pandemic,so we had a lot of time on our
hands.
Yeah, and you go out there andyou play pickleball the wrong
way for six and seven hours.
What do you think is going tohappen?

Speaker 3 (11:55):
You're going to get injured.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, yeah, and we weren't doing any training to
keep our, you know, while hewere, I wasn't.
So two bum hamstrings, uh, uh,tore my tricep.
John has torn both of hisbiceps, which fixed his shoulder
problem, by the way.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
Like.
Did you like like?
The bicep rolled up.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Disconnected from the shoulder.
So, I've got that little Popeyedeformity now.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
So yeah, he likes it Playing pickleball.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, playing pickleball.
Yeah, deformity now.
So yeah, he likes it, he'splaying pickleball.
Playing pickleball, yeah, youknow when, um, you just make a
real quick.
When you're up in the net, theball, your your instinct, you're
moving faster than you know.
And I can't tell you how manypeople I've met in pickleball
who've worn their bicep.
I mean, everybody thinks theknees and the knees are bad.
I've got a 20s Achilles.

(12:44):
Here's the other thing.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
We both had bad knees .
I didn't even realize it untilbecause I'd been
overcompensating with my rightleg.
Then you play something likepickleball and all of a sudden
you realize that there'ssomething more wrong.
We've rehabbed both of oursbecause he tore his ACL a long

(13:06):
time ago and then they he had atorn meniscus and they wanted to
do surgery.
And I was like no, no, no, letme do some research.
And anyway, have you heard ofno knees over the toes guy?
Yeah, yeah.
So, and you, you mentionedscience, so I'm very curious on
this cause.
I did, I was obsessed with thisguy and we actually even bought
a um, a torque tank, and we dothis on our um on our sidewalk

(13:29):
on our front sidewalk.
But it has transformed our.
I mean we're in much betterphysical shape from training
from the bottom up and um and soin.
But but he on the podcast hewas on Joe Rogan and what I
listened to he said the scienceand the scholar.
It takes so long for them tocatch up to the newest, latest

(13:55):
and greatest right.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
So he said for him, for doing any training like he's
doing, it's going to take 30years For it to be in the
curriculum, for it to be in thecurriculum.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, I would say like, I'd say like five years
for it to show up in theliterature.
So, like you know that's, Iwouldn't say 30, but I'd say
probably like five is aboutaccurate.
So, like the best you know,there's evidence-based practice
which is like what does theliterature say, and then what is
practice-based evidence, whichis like what does the literature
say, and then what ispractice-based evidence which is

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like what does experience tellme?
Right, like you just told me.
You articulated perfectly likethe reason why most people get
injured.
There's really like three mainreasons why people get injured.
One is load management.
You didn't call it loadmanagement but you knew what it
was doing too much, too fast,and there's simple, easy ways to

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people can track and monitorthat themselves, not having a
training program off the court.
And then I would, I wouldinclude into that warming up.
If you do a general, goodneuromuscular warm up, you're
going to reduce your risk ofinjuries.
Doing resistance training andmobility training is going to
and this isn't crazy stuff, thisis like at least a couple of

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times a week.
And then the last thing istechnique.
Like when I started playingpickleball, just like everybody
else just I'm a performancecoach I had poor technique.
So what did I need to do?
I needed to go get a coach andI needed to learn how to.
You know it, you know I wasusing obviously I was using too
much of my shoulder and I wasn'trotating at the hips and doing

(15:34):
all the things that you shouldbe doing.
And so, guess what, my biceptendon started hurting.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Right.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
And then the pickleball coach was like this
is what you're doing.
I'm like yeah, dummy, of course.
So then I started talking tomyself.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
The performance coach .

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, but you need a coach.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Everybody needs a coach right.
Everybody does.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
We played pickleball the wrong way for the first year
.
So we were playing like tennisand it's COVID.
So you play for six and sevenhours just banging away at the
back of the court with a hardpaddle and a hard ball, and
that's why our everything toreand you're, you know, just not
physically ready for it.
So, um, when, when, when didyou find pickleball?

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, I had heard about it from a friend during
the pandemic and, um I Ihonestly didn't even look it up.
I just remember her saying I'mplaying pickleball and I love it
.
She was in Austin, texas.
I'm like, what is pickleballLike?
I'm just thinking like thisname like what, what is this?
And um, I wish I would havehopped in at that time.

(16:31):
It wasn't really until lastfall.
Um, we had put out a version,we had just spent two and a half
years building the tech behindour app and we put out the first
version of aim seven in themarket.
No big launch.
It was like, let's see, it wasfor general health and wellness,
exercise, recovery, mentalfitness, right, very
personalized tools.

(16:51):
And, and a friend of mine whoworked for steve coon, I used to
work and help do the majorleague pickleball thing.
And duper called me up and waslike eric, listen, there's a lot
of people that are hurting inpickleball.
I'm like pickleball.
He's like Eric, just do theresearch.
Okay, they need help.
And there's not one health andfitness tech product available

(17:15):
on the market.
Like, go to the app store,there's nothing out there.
I was like okay, and um, andthen he introduced me to Tito
Machado with Duper, the CEO ofDuper, and Tito looked at our
app and was like, look, justfocus on pickleball and we will.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
If you guys have listened to the show, you know
that Karen and I talk oftenabout injuries that we've we've
suffered since we took uppickleball.
It's a different movement, it'sa different sport.
Uh, that's why we were so keenon getting Eric Corum on this
show.
No-transcript.

(17:52):
There's lessons on how tomonitor your sleep, your rest,
and it'll customize workouts foryou, specific to pickleball.
It's an amazing thing.
We hope you'll download it andremember in the show notes we're
going to have a discount codefor you 25 off.
That app again is aim seven.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Let's get back to eric um, oh, wait, there we go,
we lost we lost you, so you'reback pick up where he said you,
if you'll just focus onpickleball, oh yeah he said if
you just focus on pickleball um,he said we, the sport, needs

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the expertise that your grouphas around nutrition and
psychology and resistancetraining, all these different
things then we'll partner withyou right out the gate.
So we spent about four monthslooking at the sports, spending
time with people and looking atthe problems you you know that
are occurring and where they'recoming from, and so we built the
first version of the app thatcame out March 15th the one that

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you have on your phone rightnow and you know it's warmups,
cool downs, resistance training,basic load management, mental
fitness skills, and so that'sthat's how I got into pickleball
.
It was really a businessventure and, just for anybody
that's out there listening, I'vetrained 25 or 26 different

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types of sports, everything fromlacrosse to water polo, to
football, to world-classsprinters.
Everybody thinks that theirsport is special.
It's not.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Well, pickleball is extremely special.
I think it's very special.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Well, special from the sense.
Let me restate that.
Special from the sense of likeyou got to like have pickleball,
specific training or this orthat.
It's like anything else.
If you're an engineer, you knowhow to reverse, engineer a
problem, got it?
Does that make sense?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
So we just like.
We're like, let's put ourbrains on this and deconstruct
all the issues and then, likeyou need a pickleball coach to
learn technique, you need thesegeneral tools, and then we can
make them more and more highlyspecialized.
But like, uh, next week I'mgoing to.
Every once in a while I stilldip my toe back into elite sport
and I got a call from auniversity with a volleyball

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team that needs help and I'mlike I'll give you one day.
But if you know how to solveproblems, you know how to solve
problems.
So we're just taking all of ourproblem-solving capabilities
and throwing them a pickleballand as I've played the game now,
I can't stop playing right Ofcourse, of course the game.
Now I can't stop playing, right,of course, of course, and it's

(20:27):
special and addictive.
It's fun, it's addictive.
Um, and then I've done.
I spent a lot of time attournaments.
Um, I just love these people.
Like, how could you not lovethe people that play this game?
They're just.
I've never been around a morewelcoming community of athletes,
I think, outside of juitsu,which I've done for a long time,
that is.
This is the closest this islike, but it's for everybody.

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You don't.
Anybody and everybody, of anyage, can do it.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
We found that even with the people who are in the
industry I mean people who aregetting into the industry most
of them have done so becausethey love pickleball.
But we've had so many, uh, madeso many good relationships with
other other people who likepickle roll and crown pickleball
and a lot of the people and Iknow that, um, you've got a pro
that you're working with too now, right, zane?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, we work with Zane Navratil.
We work with Megan Fudge andRyler to heart and Tatiana rule.
Um, that's been a blast.
As a matter of fact, my baptisminto pickleball at the highest
level.
You know the story with Meganand Ryler.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
No, oh, you've got to have them on your show.
So I coached at Florida State.
We talked about that.
Ryler Megan Fudge's husband wasa tennis coach at Florida State
, a tennis coach at Alabama.
He was on the US national teamtennis coach.
He actually was a professionalplayer himself played in the US

(21:52):
Open.
Megan is a college tennisplayer.
She's elite.
She's one of the top females inthe sport.
They live in an RV and theyhave their two kids and they
travel around the country.
They don't have a house andthey just go travel.
So they were like Eric, comewith us to the U S open.
I ended up staying at someperson's home.
I never knew.

(22:13):
Right, they were parked in theback on the slab and these
wonderful couple had a.
It's funny because everybodyknows what I'm talking about.
Right, they had a indoor tennispickleball court in their
backyard in Naples, florida,called Pickle on Third.
They were the most kind andgenerous people.
We ended up just really and Iwas up at six o'clock in the

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morning I would take Ryler tothe Naples Pavilion helping him
get ready, go back pick up thekids and Megan take them there
whatever they needed from awarmup or cool down or recovery,
and I was with them every daythrough that entire week.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
Except for the championship day.
I had to fly back for the lastSunday and I really understood
like you're watching thesepeople and what they're putting
their bodies through day afterday after I'm like, oh my gosh,
this is a grinder, right, rightand if.
And there's a lot of peopleplaying competitive pickleball,
going to tournaments and they'llplay six matches, two, three

(23:15):
days in a row, right, and thenyou wonder why people get hurt.
And so it was, you know, and Imade so many friends at that
event.
Um, it's where the I've wear mybe weird warm-up t-shirt for
the first time.
If I had 500 of those things, Iwould, you know, and I made so
many friends at that event.
Um, it's where the I've worn mybe weird warmup t-shirt for the
first time.
If I had 500 of those things, Iwould have sold every one of
them, the be weird ones.
Have you seen this?
Are they from Austin?
Oh, I'm gonna have to give thisto you.
So I got a quick story for you.

(23:37):
This is pickleball for youTexas at Pace Pickleball,
showing people our app.
This is months ago, doingcustomer discovery, and I meet
this guy.
Everybody's like you got totalk to Julio.
Julio's, like you know,everybody knows Julio, right?
So Julio's sitting there anddrinking a beer, playing
pickleball.
He's really skilled.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
Drinking a beer playing pickleball that's the
same pickleball.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
This is it Right.
And why won't you warm up?
Because that's the first thingwe're trying to get people to
just warm up and he goes.
He just points to everybody else.
He goes do you see anybody elsedoing it?
Ironically, his friend walkedup and started warming up next
to him, but I was like so areyou embarrassed?
I was like just be weird, warmup, man.
And he started dying laughingand then he downloaded the app.

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I didn't hear from him forthree or four weeks and I had
this thing in my mind it's like,be weird, warm up.
That's what we need to do.
So I wore this t-shirt to theUS Open and people were stopping
me everywhere.
Well, julio was at the US Open.
I didn't know.
This Text messages me a videoof him warming up, then winning

(24:41):
I think he won a silver medal,and now he's posting on social
media showing everybody himwarming up.
So he went from like I'membarrassed to do this to I feel
so good, I want to show theentire world.
And so that kind of became ourlittle slogan be weird and warm
up.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
That's awesome.
I love that.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, that's a pickleball story, right, that is
a great pickleball story.

Speaker 3 (25:03):
I'm guilty too.
I'm a wonk, I've always.
I love the tech part.
I just love seeing how you haveit.
Um, going through the app,because I've done this through
our uh, our regular benefitprovider.
They have a program calledhinge that, yeah, you're doing
rehab.
I did that for my shoulder, Idid that for my knee and it's it
did great for me, but it's justpretty vanilla.

(25:24):
I loved that.
But getting out to the courtlike if we show up to play, we
don't- look for yourself.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
I do, I do, I do.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
You have to I have to stretch my, you guys say you
don't warm up I was really badabout that not warming up at all
.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
She does a lot more than I do I do I really have,
because I hurt both of myhamstrings.
I have to do um, I stretch themand um, and then I do my knees.
So I'll squat like down on myknees and let the blood go out
of the knees, and so I I oil myknees up pretty good before I go

(26:02):
out there too.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Can I give you a little tip on that?
Yes, please so as we age, ourjoints hurt, right, and it feels
like it takes a while for themto quote warm up right.
It's like a tin man, like youneed to put some like oil in
there.
Did you know that your jointsdon't get direct blood flow?
No, so there's something calledsynovial fluid and synovial

(26:25):
fluid uh, which like a sack yeah, when you move the joint, it
moves synovial fluid around thejoint and lubricates it reduces
friction the only way to reallypump fluid into the joint is to
move it.
So part of your warm-up shouldbe there's really like four
parts to a warmup, but one ofthose parts should be mobilizing

(26:48):
joints.
So, for instance, like shoulderrolls, arm circles moving
internal and external rotationin different positions, neck
rotations rotating, you know,hip rotations, rotating the hips
forward and back, knee circles,like if you want to improve the
flex, you know, hip rotationsrotating the hips forward and
back, knee circles, like if youwant to improve the flexion,
your knee flexes and extends.

(27:09):
Right If you rotate the knee,guess what?
It improves flexion andextension, ankle roll.
So you should go joints.
I did those yesterday.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
Those are awesome.
I've never done them before.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, and people look at you.
They're like it looks a littlefunny, but, dude, you feel so
much better and so, starting atyour neck, going down to your
ankles, and just taking a jointby joint approach, you will feel
it's like a little dose ofmedicine every single day, a lot
of wellness things around yourpickleball session that will

(27:44):
yield significant changes inother parts of your life and
help improve your you know ifyou're suffering from
osteoarthritis or evenpreventing osteoarthritis, and
so, anyways, I wanted to say,like with your knees.
You know, doing squattingexercises is great.
Knee rotations, spending youknow some time really getting
that knee to flex and extend androtate, is really going to make

(28:06):
it feel better.
But it's not.
It's.
You're actually like you'repushing fluid into that knee and
that's what's making it feel somuch better.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
Ah, I didn't know, yeah, I was doing those.
I'd never done those beforeeither, where you push down on
the knee with your legs extendedand you're kind of just pushing
down, almost getting a hyperextension.

Speaker 2 (28:23):
So yeah, be careful with that, but just kind of
rotate just a little bit.
Yeah, you don't want to popyour PCL or anything like that,
so you?

Speaker 1 (28:31):
I mean, you don't understand.
He is like a a a geek out onthis.
I mean, the last couple of days, all he could talk about is you
and your app and do you knowwhat does this?
Do you know what does this?
One thing it tracks is sex.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Are you serious?
I said so, I'm looking for it,I'm trying to figure it out.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Shut up.
Okay, this is news to me.
Are you talking about in the?

Speaker 1 (28:54):
I was like, how's it going to know the difference?
Between the eight best minuteson a pickleball court.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
You're talking about an apple when you give it
permissions.
Yes, that's, you're talkingabout an Apple when you give it
permissions yes.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yes, that's what I'm talking about.
That's an.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Apple thing.
Oh my goodness, that's not.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
So it's his thing talking to you?

Speaker 3 (29:13):
No, it asks if you want to allow all your data, and
so you go there to allow allyou can do it one at a time.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Now you're tracking our sex.

Speaker 3 (29:19):
One of them's sex.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Hey man, you can go into apple health.
You get literally input.
Yeah, if you wanted to tracksex, um what?
Yeah, they don't have an out.
Well, they may, but they don'thave.
Uh, you know, like, if you'rewearing your apple watch, you go
out and start walking.
It says you're walking, yeah ifyou do your elliptical.

(29:41):
Thank goodness there's nothingfor.
But you can go into AppleHealth and track that and yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Mine's turned off, it says I just opened my health
app and it says share my datawith Apple.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, you would have to literally manually input that
one.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Oh good John.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I did.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
That's how it, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
Well, I can tell you something right now.
We are not making any decisionsabout your warmups or
resistance training plans basedoff of that, but I think there
are some longevity benefits, Iagree.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
Mental health benefits.
There you go.
Absolutely oh you know what,and you wrote the.
I wrote this down becausemental health.
What did you call it?
Psychology, sports psychology?
I wrote this down becausemental health, what?
What did you call it Psychology, sports psychology?
I thought.

Speaker 3 (30:29):
I was going to need a sports psychologist.
She got the yips.
She got the yips, I got theyips.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Yes, Serving yips on my serve.
It was so bad Um Eric like, ifyou can, maybe I'll show it to
him.
Maybe.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I'll post it.
She.
You ever seen the Seinfeldepisode where Elaine's dancing
and she?
That's what Karen looked like,Preserve, she was just so wound
up and tight and worried abouthitting it out that she could
hardly make herself serve.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
It was just crazy and it was a um, it was
debilitating.
It was absolutely Okay.
Look, watch this.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
If you can see it.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
Can you see?

Speaker 2 (31:06):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
It was a glare.
We'll send it to you Pleasesend it to me.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I'll give you my number.
You can text it to me later.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yes, because I showed a girl this morning.
I was like, if you're ever in abad day, text me and I'll send
you this video.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (31:22):
something you want to share publicly.
Oh, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Are you on social media?

Speaker 1 (31:25):
Of course you know what we should do.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
We should collaborate on a post, and I'll have Dr
Alex Arbach.
So one of our team members isthe former head of wellness and
development for the TorontoRaptors.
He's an elite sportspsychologist and some of our
best performing posts have allbeen around the psychology of
the game.
Some of them are got like 50 or60,000 views already on

(31:47):
Instagram and we only have like35, 3,700 followers.
What'd be really interesting isif we would post that and then
have him go through the yips.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Oh my God, that would be amazing.
Yeah, let's do it.
We could collab on it.
So I I am not serving outanymore, but I have this one.
Talk about technique.
Nobody's seen this technique.
Trust me, it's not a good serve, it's nothing good about it.

Speaker 3 (32:12):
It brings joy to so many people around her but it
gets in, that's all that mattersRight.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Right, well, but I have this other serve.
That is the proper technique,where you're coming across your
body and like and I want to looklike the pros, I don't want to
look like an idiot, okay, butI'm stuck mentally because the
minute I get pressure, so in agame I can go out and hit it in
all day long.

(32:39):
If it's just John and I, right,and then I go, game time falls
out.
It's a head thing.
It's a head thing.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, I would love to get Alex's take on this, but
one of the things I've heardthat may help with the yips is
creating variability, creatingthe bandwidth for change.
Actually, my dad's the one thathe had helped.
That's a whole other story, buthe helped some elite softball
players with this problem.
When you have very littlebandwidth for um change, uh,

(33:14):
when it comes to a specificskillset and how that skillset's
executed, whenever you deviatefrom that or you add pressure to
it and it constrains yourenvironment, then that's when
people end up having issues.
Um, so, putting yourself inpositions off the court or when
you're training, that makethings you know, very
unpredictable.
Um, that can really really help.

(33:36):
So, like we would do this withtrack athletes, um, for, like um
man, we used to do stuff withsprinters.
We're like you know you're in a, there is nothing.
I think that has more pressurethan like a hundred or 200 meter
sprint, because the whole thingis over in less than
20-something seconds.
If you're in the Olympics, youtrain four years and all it

(33:57):
takes is one misstep and there'sso much in the.
It was called the bird's nestin Beijing.
Veronica, this athlete I workedwith Veronica Campbellica
campbell brown.
You can look her up.
She's one of two women to everwin the gold medal back to back
in the 200 meters.
It was so bright on the court,on the track, because of all of

(34:19):
the lights and the cameras thatthere wasn't a shadow okay,
that's why wow because it wascoming at every angle.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
So it was more like a vertical type of thing, right
so, but she does an amazing job.
One of the things, one of thetools she uses, is visualization
.
That is one of the absolutebest sports psychology tools
that you can use at yourdisposal.
And she would literally laydown, and then she did this like

(34:48):
almost daily, and she would gofrom.
She would literally thinkthrough every single thing
that's going to happen, from thewarmup all the way until she
got onto the track.
She would visualize everysingle part of that environment.

(35:08):
If you can get on the court inadvance and then, like, if you
go back to your hotel, like laydown and actually visualize what
it's going to be like to be outthere the next day, visualize
yourself going through like aserve and you know, coming up to
the uh, coming up to the novolley zone and what's going to.
You see what I'm saying Goingthrough scenarios.
Yeah, it is an incrediblypowerful.
This is not a woohoo tool, thisis something that the best in

(35:29):
the world do.
It creates a mental model forsomething that hasn't already
occurred.
And then I would just say foryou I'm going to talk to my
friend Alex and come back to youon this.
I think this would be a greatpost to get him like show this
Elaine type of moment.
I'm actually visualizing whatthis reel is going to look like.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
It's hilarious man.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
And then have Alex like comment on the yips and
what somebody could do.
I think that'd be really cool.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
I think I'm not the only one.
This has happened.
There are at least 10 otherpeople that I know who have had
issues like this, and a lot ofit is around serving.
In fact, one girl had before Idid, monica, yeah.
And I was like, come on, thisis so easy, right.
And then when it happened and Ibeg to differ with you there's

(36:14):
more pressure in an MLP styletournament when you're you just
have to get one point to win andwe're in a dream breaker and I
lose because of the serve.
That's pressure.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, that's pressure .

Speaker 1 (36:32):
You want to talk about the lights.
It felt like everyone out therewas staring at me.
I my hand was shaking, my mouthwent dry Like it was awful, and
that that's why I think it tookme so long to get over it,
because it happened.
And then I'm forced into thistournament situation where I'm

(36:53):
dealing with it and now it's ahigh pressure, and now I mean
I'm not kidding you.
You think a rec game ispressure.
It's no pressure at all.
Why can't I hit up my servant?
So I would love any help youcan provide me.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
We got a lot of tools yes, for sure, All these sports
psychology tools.
You're going to start seeingmore and more pro athletes
wanting to use these inpickleball.
A lot of the athletes that areexcelling right now were former
collegiate or semi-propickleball players, but you're
starting to see this new wave ofpickleball players that are

(37:30):
coming out of high school andcollege.
They're not getting access tothese tools because they don't
have professionals that areworking with them in college.
This is really where the eliteare separated.
Skill up to a certain point iskind of a dime a dozen Elite
athletes.
No matter what the sport is,the differentiating factor is

(37:51):
always between the ears.
Can you actually perform.
Actually, here's a really coolstatistics.
Who do you think I don't knowif 100-meter dash men's
100-meter dash, Just think men's100-meter dash.
Who do you think has run moresub-10 100-meter dashes in the
history of track and field?

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(38:31):
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That sounds bad, but you'llhave the crown pickle balls.
All right, let's get back tothe show Usain Bolt.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
No.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Carl Lewis.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
No, you're not going to guess it, jesse Owens.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Osafa Powell.
Oh, osafa, that was my nextguess.
Who's that?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Yeah, that's the point, google Osafa.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Powell.
He is technically one of thegreatest sprinters of all time?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
How do you spell his?
last name P-O-W-E-L-L oh Powell,and he was racing at the same
time as Usain Bolt.
And whenever Bolt wasn't thereat a race he was running at, he
would crush everybody and hewould run ridiculously fast
times, but when pressure comeshe would always fold.

(39:35):
Was he elite?
Yes, but he was never goodenough to win on the highest
stage.
Why he wasn't mentally strongenough?
Um, and it's, and you know,everybody's like mental
toughness, right.
Like you got to be morementally tough.
Well, mental toughness is taskspecific.
Nobody can be mentally tough toeverything, Right.

(39:55):
And so people are like whoa, Iwant to go train.
Like Tiger Woods famously wentand trained with the Navy SEALs,
which was stupid.
He ended up ruining himself.
But like if you took a NavySEAL who could jump out of an
airplane and do all sorts ofcrazy stuff and then you put him
in the Masters.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Oh God, I was just about to bring up golf.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah, they would fold .
He would fold immediately Likethey would.
Just he would have a hugestress response.
All the stuff you would thinkabout heart rate, elevated,
palms are sweaty, but TigerWoods, being inoculated to that
stress, could calm himself down,could regulate and perform.
So these elite pickleballplayers, the best of the best of
the best, can regulatethemselves.
They have self-regulatory tools.

(40:38):
That's why mindfulness is oneof the most important mental
fitness tools that you candevelop, because it helps you.
As my Peter Haberl says,attention is the currency of
performance.
Every elite athlete wantscontrol of one thing when it
matters most your attention.

(40:59):
Because, like Karen you'retalking about, you know you're
in this situation and all youcan think about is the pressure
and then this and then that.
Just because you'reuncomfortable doesn't mean that
it has to impact yourperformance.
If you're aware of where yourattention is, you can redirect
it and focus it to action thatyou can take.

(41:19):
So there's a great story thegreatest Olympic cyclist of all
time.
His name is Sir Chris Hoy.
I think he won six or eightolympic gold medals.
Now this guy is like thegreatest of all time goat and
he's the goat.
And when they asked him, sir,he was knighted.
When they asked him what itfelt like to race in an olympic

(41:42):
finals, he said it felt like hewas going to the gallows.
Wow, like he was going to getexecuted.
I'm telling you, more than adream breaker, I've been there.
There is no morepressure-filled situation than
an Olympic finals, because itonly happens every four years.
Right, and you either makemoney or you don't.

(42:02):
People that don't finish in thetop three, nobody knows who
they are and they're going tolive in their car, quite
literally.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
Right.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
These other folks are going to make a lot of money,
they're going to keep movingforward and so.
But what's chris noted was islike when he would feel that
pressure, then he was able todirect his attention to his feet
in the clips, his hands on thesteering wheel, his butt in the
seat and then when he wasattentive to the gun and he
could take action.
But that all goes back to yourability to be mindful and to

(42:34):
control your attention, and soone of the key things that we
teach elite athletes is how tobe is mindfulness, and it's
really hard.
It is, it's unbelievablydifficult, and so we have all
that Go ahead.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I haven't even thought of that, so now I'm
going to be.
Your nose is sweating right now.
I need to be more mindful.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Uh, she's very, very, very, very competitive and very
hard on herself.
I think that's part of it too.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Well, here's what I'd recommend Go into the Learn
section of the app.
Dr Peter Haberle, the formersenior sports psychologist for
the US Olympics, is in our appand go to the series on
psychological flexibility and hewill teach you all about this.
And then we have mindfulnesstools and meditation.
All that stuff's in there, yeah, there's such a.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
You've got quite a lot of content packed into this
thing.
I haven't even been through allof it, but body, mind recovery
you've got.
Oh, I know what I used todaythough.
Oh, look at that guidedmindfulness.
Guided mindfulness, gratitudejournal, the gratitude journal.
It was funny.
This Sunday our pastor wastalking about his gratitude
journal.
I was like you know what?
I've never, because what am Igoing to do?

(43:53):
I have another day timer that Icarry around.
Now I've got an app, I've got agratitude journal, and I
actually filled it out today youknow what the, the power of
that is, um, really interesting.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I you know I was kind of I'm a skeptic first and I
think as a scientist you shouldbe right.
But the research on gratitudeis really amazing.
But the way you do gratitude isreally what matters.
And if you notice in thatjournal it's called the Big

(44:24):
Three Gratitude journal.
That actually came from UCBerkeley and what you're doing
is is the most important part isis when you write whatever
you're grateful for that momentthat you had, you should try to
experience the emotions andfeelings you had at that time,
because that is really whatconnects you to like that
grounded feeling of being trulythankful and grateful.

(44:46):
And so, like, if I go back,typically, if I do the journal,
it's my, my, my moments of ofgratefulness, I guess, or
gratitude, or around my kids andmy wife, right, and so I try to
like sit there and like reallythink about like that moment I
was hugging one of my kids orthat special moment.

(45:07):
But that is what really makesthe physiological changes occur
in your body, which lowers heartrate, respiration rate, blood
pressure, HRV.
But that's a powerful tool andyou can do it in bed before you
go to sleep at night.
Just take five minutes andthree questions.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
I'm really going to give it a shot.
Yeah, it was different than Ithought it would be, because it
actually I thought it was goingto be list the things you're
grateful for.
It wasn't.
It was three questions aboutyou know what.
What was a positive thing thathappened today?
I forget what it was, orsomething, or what was something
you did today and I, I, I did.
I started smiling while I wastyping it in because it was

(45:49):
actually pretty.
Yeah, isn't?

Speaker 1 (45:50):
that crazy.

Speaker 3 (45:51):
It really is?

Speaker 1 (45:52):
You said that we didn't have a good moment today.
I said Now that I hear himtalking like I gave you a hug
this morning.
I said no.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
Like I gave you a hug .
The last one was have you had areal special experience with a
loved one yet?
I said, no, there's going to begoing back to that apple health
thing, right, and then you canrecord it if you wish.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Oh man, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to mark
this asterisk aim seven doesnot care about that information.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
This is the best podcast I've done in a long time
oh man, thank you for that,because you're this, this is
kismet, that we're talking toyou, so so I get home from the
grocery store today and I walkin and he's doing up down,
whatever.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
What is that?
I'm like I'm like are you doingthe app?
yes, I'm doing the uh wood chopsoh yeah, yeah, wood chops, as
I'm telling you, you hit theright person here.
He loves this stuff.
He, when he was injured before,like our, because he went to
the knee doctor, our insurancewas alerted right Knew that he
went to an orthopedic doctor andso they proactively reached out

(46:54):
and said, hey, we have thisrehab program that you know that
80% of surgeries are notnecessary, right, so try this.
So they sent like to yourtracking point thing they sent
him this um, yeah, it's hinge.
I told her about hinge.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
And um and so he did that.
You know, really, he's reallygeeked out on that too.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:16):
What are?

Speaker 2 (47:16):
you doing?
I'm going to check that out.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, but but it was it does.
It has a little mechanism likegear point, where you had the
little card readers.
This thing, um, when you put iton your leg it must have
sensors on certain parts of itand it goes into the app, um,
while you're doing yourexercises, and gives it the
readings or whatever.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Yeah, sensors on it.
I don't even use the sensorsanymore and just because I, I I
kind of do it out of habit nowbut my shoulders being I mean
you're, you're a guy, you playedsports your whole life All of
our shoulders are trash and it'suh with my knees.
It's just good to do somethinglike that, but I think it's
better with the stuff that youhave on your app is, so it's a

(48:01):
lot more variety and it's a lotmore specific.
There were three or four of theexercises I did yesterday, but
I've never done before, and sothose were great.

Speaker 2 (48:09):
Have you seen the prehab programs in there yet?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
The prehab Yep.
That's what I did yesterday.
Yeah, that's where I did theankle rolls and stuff, I think.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, so, dr Kyle Richman.
So if you go into off-courttraining we have so on the home
screen it says pre-match,post-match, post-match and
off-court training.
Yes, you click off-court andyou click prehab and Dr Kyle
Richman will take you through a12-week program for any of these

(48:38):
areas Knees, calf, achilles,low back, shoulder, hip, elbow.
When I started having anotherissue I had at the very
beginning was elbow tendonitis,but that came from something
else.
I have like a genetic.
Very beginning was elbowtendonitis, but that came from
something else.
I have like a geneticpredisposition to tendonitis and
it got flared up.
So I'm like, all right, I'mgoing to do this myself.
Really helped a lot.
But, um, uh, the new um I'lltell you this on here, the new

(49:01):
version comes out September,early September and the uh.
Well, we're going to bereleasing daily mobility
training.
So, you can do eight to 10minutes of general total body
mobility on your own at home,and then the what's called the
user interface or the UI for the.
You know the warmups.
You'll be able to click startand it'll give you a countdown

(49:23):
timer.
It'll show you the, the loopingvideo of the whatever the
exercise is, with like 20seconds.
When it's over, it goes three,two, one next.
Actually, you don't have to doanything, you just click start
and it'll take you through andyou'll be able to choose.
I'm a beginner and I have sevenminutes and I've only got a
five by five space, and then itcustomizes the whole thing to
you.
Wow so we're, we're about tolevel this whole thing up

(49:45):
through all these conversationswe've been having with.
We're about to level this wholething up through all these
conversations we've been havingwith players of all different
skill levels.
You know, and I'll tell youwhat's an interesting thing is
doing clinics, what's?

Speaker 3 (49:56):
y'all's rating.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Oh God, it's so hard, okay.
So here's the thing.
Let's say a 3.7.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
3.75.
Yeah, I'm easily Stop.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
I think we're barely scratching.
No, we're probably three, fives.
Well, so that's the heart.
That's the thing aboutpickleball right now is that
it's.
The rating is all over theplace and everyone will tell you
that.
Every coach will tell you thatevery every clinic we've gone to
and duper we haven't.
We implemented duper as a clubduring rec play and it just

(50:27):
screwed everything up.
It caused fights, the ratingsweren't good, they it was just
all.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
So we, we stopped using it they don't have a new
reliability metric in there thatkind of is supposed to
stabilize the algorithm and makeit really reliable okay because
, look, I'm, um, I canunderstand.
Whenever you have data andscoring it's a real and there's
nobody there, that that's like athird party right.
There's error in the system, andI think Duper would tell you

(50:53):
the same thing that, like you,the idea is to make it more and
more precise over time.
So I know they just releasedsome type of reliability metric
that makes it more reliable, butI had a coach like assess my
technique Right?

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Like.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I was like where am I ?
And she was like you're rightat a three.
Oh, like you know, I'd onlybeen playing for a little bit.
I didn't care if I was a two,five.
I just kind of want to knowwhere am I on this spectrum?
Um, I have no ego about thatstuff.
Right now I hope, like in ayear or so, I'm, I'm a little
bit, you know.
I get to play like twice a week.
I don't get to play like fouror five times a week.

(51:28):
I got three kids and trying tobuild this business.
I spend more time on the courttalking to people than I
actually do playing, but it iswhat it?
Is.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
So it does have you, though, kind of hooked as a
player as well, cause you saidthis did start as a business
interest.
Oh yeah, so now.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I'm, I'm, I'm documenting my journey.
So every time I have a lesson,we document that, um, like what
the skill was.
I was learning and I eventuallywant to start playing in
tournaments, but I'm.
I'm taking a slow approach tothis.
I want to play my firsttournament sometime in the fall.
Um, I may end up playing inlike a lifetime fitness league.

(52:06):
There's a.
Friday league here and, um, Ihave a bunch of people in our
neighborhood that, um, it'sreally funny.
If you go, follow us onInstagram.
We've been doing a lot of justlike hilarious content.
We found that pickleball peoplelove fun and then they like to
be educated, so we've createdsome crazy characters, a lot.
All of these crazy charactersand people are people from our

(52:27):
neighborhood, Right, Okay, Likewe were filming on the courts
one day and this group of fourladies were like hey, I wear
this lab coat and it's like thepickleball scientist.
They're like what, are you thepickleball doctor?
I was like, no, I'm thepickleball scientist.
Can we be in the next video?
I'm like are you serious?
And so they come out with alltheir friends.
And then they come out with alltheir friends and then they

(52:48):
start telling people the bestone of all is we in here in
Houston.
You guys know who HakeemOlajuwon is.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
Oh sure, the dream, the dream right.

Speaker 2 (52:56):
One of the people that's in our community.
Her name is Svenja.
She sent text messages me apicture of her and Hakeem and
she's wearing her Be Weird warmup t-shirt and she's showing him
our app.
That's awesome, and I was likethat's pickleball for you right
there, though.
It's the best, it's the best.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
It's the best.
So you mentioned tennis elbow,or what they call tennis elbow.
A lot of people are havingthose issues especially.
I had a diadem warrior, whichwas heavy, and I wanted it
because it gave me more powerbut, it destroyed my, so last
year my latest injury has beenmy hand.

(53:38):
Planner's wart Stop, I don'thave a planner's wart.
He keeps saying I don't, Iswear it is not true.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
We need proof.
We need proof.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't have pretty feet there, I have bunions.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Those are that and that's a pickleball thing I just
want to know you offered thatinformation I tell everyone
because I will tell, becausepeople your feet hurt in this
game yes I have replaced everyone of my insoles with orthotic
and orthotic that gives me ahigh arch and it has fixed my
bunion problem.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
And.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
I tell everyone because I, I mean, I too, want
to avoid surgery, but anyway, my, my hand, um carpal tunnel,
apparently has appeared out ofthis thing and they wanted to do
surgery.
I had the nerve test, whichhurt like crazy, um, and then
they did it in a cortisone shotinjection which was did nothing,

(54:33):
um, so I'm kind of trying torehab it myself without anything
that I, without knowing whatI'm doing, really.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
So I can give you a couple of things.
There is a program we have inour app.
That's all for this part of itis like, um, something called
cars or controlled articularrotation, so learning to move
the joint through a full rangeof motion.
Oh, that's in the app, um.
Another thing is isometrics.
So there's an isometricexercise is where you don't

(55:01):
change joint position.
So, for instance, like a bicepcurl, like right, you flex your
bicep.
An isometric would be like yourwhole.
I'm on video here.
I don't know if this is gonnabe on video we're gonna show
some video clipokay, so if I'm holding a weight
like at 90 degrees, the jointangle's not moving, so there's
isometric long duration,isometric holds really help

(55:21):
tendonitis, and so there's acouple things I would highly
recommend.
Okay, um, I'm not a physician.
Go talk to your doctor.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, so I'm trying to check all these.
You don't understand.
I had three different doctorstelling me three different
things.
I can't get sued.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
So my wife's a physical therapist.
She could write a very detailedprogram but in general a couple
of things you can do.
One is long duration isometricholds.
So for like Achilles tendonitisor patellar tendonitis, we
would have people get intocertain positions and the idea
is to hold for up to you try toget up to two minute isometric
hold.
So it could be like you know,you could have a barely flexed

(56:04):
elbow with a weight in your handand it's adding tension and
you're going to try to get totwo minutes as long as you can
without and you're going to tryto get to two minutes as long as
you can without uh, with as fewsets as possible.
Okay, um and uh, you know,repeated a couple times a week.
Start two to three times a week.
Um has tremendous impact ontendon remodeling an hour before

(56:29):
you do any type of that type ofexercise.
One like I'm not a big likethere's a lot of supplements out
there that do absolutelynothing.
Right, there are somesupplements that the the
literature is very strong have atremendous impact on overall
health and wellness.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Which one?

Speaker 2 (56:49):
I can give you, you know, like creatine.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I thought you were going to give it to me?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
Oh well, I was going to give you.
You know, like creatine, Ithought you were going to give
it to me.
Oh well, I was going to giveyou one.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was on pins and needles.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Well, creatine monohydrate Everybody should use
that Really.
Oh, it is the mostpeer-reviewed supplement
Thousands of research articles.
It's being now used forAlzheimer's research Everybody
should use that.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Oh yeah, Two to five grams a day of creatine
monohydrate monohydrate Okay.

Speaker 2 (57:17):
One of the things we do for our annual members, by
the way, is there's a companycalled thorn.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
Okay.
Annual member of Ames.
I am an annual member.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
You get 25% discount on thorn supplements.
And so it actually we've hadpeople sign up for our annual
membership just to get thatdiscount, Cause you can't get it
anywhere on the internet.
Really.
And they're one of the mostrespectable companies in the
industry, so Creatinine is oneof them.
But for joint health, collagenis fantastic and I can send you

(57:56):
Thorne has one.
My favorite brand out there isBubz B-U-B-S.
Natural and actually I can getyou guys a discount on that.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Now, is this the powder form, or is it?

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yes, but collagen, there's so much good research.
Right, there was actually a newrandomized control trial.
Randomized control trial is,like the highest, the best type
of study that you can do.
There was a new RTC out 12weeks of collagen
supplementation on healthyindividuals and knee and hip
pain and people who use collagen, have less knee and hip pain.

(58:31):
It's just a phenomenalsupplement.
It's one of the few things thatI recommend for everybody,
especially pickleball.
I think pickleball playersshould be using collagen and
here's something cool collagensupplements in the form of
gelatin an hour before theywould do their tendon, these

(58:57):
tendon protocols, and they woulduse several hundred milligrams
of vitamin C with it because theresearch was showing it would
help with tendon remodeling veryfast.
So the tendon protocol plus thecollagen was really helping
with the pain and the remodelingand the process could.
So we were giving it to guysthrough gelatin.
But if a more concentrated formof collagen is even better, and

(59:20):
so I recommend that for every.
I use collagen every morning inmy coffee and I really started
getting faithful about it aboutthree months ago, and I can tell
a tremendous difference in myknees and elbows.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
Okay, A hundred percent need this, but what is
tendon remodeling?

Speaker 2 (59:36):
So for us well, like, oh sorry, I didn't mean to use
jargon Um, it's like, okay,every cell in your body turns
over, right, the lining of yourintestines to the skin, um, to
muscle cells, right, like,eventually you have to turn over
.
Well, that's a process that'scalled remodeling.
Or, you know, we think about,like skin is rejuvenated, right,

(01:00:00):
that's kind of probably aneasier term.
Well, when you do resistancetraining or any type of training
that places a stress or atensile stress on the tendon,
you can actually make thattendon stronger.
It's like remodeling it, right,okay, and so, um, that's
basically what the process we'retalking about here is like
strengthening and getting rid ofthe inflammation in that tendon

(01:00:23):
that's causing you so manyproblems.
I see a lot of pickleball elbowissues because of two things One
, people.
One people start the sport andthey go from zero to 100.
So we only have so muchcapacity for stress and tissues

(01:00:43):
have what's called astress-strain curve, meaning, at
some point, like if I was toput a bar over you and say, all
right, I want you to bench pressthe bar, and you're like, oh,
that's easy, and I'm like fivemore pounds.
Eventually, we're going to hita point where either you're
going to fail or you're going torupture, Right, yeah, if you
know Milo of Croton, the oldstory about the little boy that

(01:01:03):
picked up the calf.
And then he picked up the calfthe next day, and he did it over
and over and over.
By the time he a grown man, thecalf is now a huge, oh my gosh,
oh there he is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Hey, there you are.
Uh, houston, texas massivestorm.
I thought I heard some thunderis that what that was?

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
yep?

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
knock rolling blackout, sorry oh geez, I
forgot about that too.
I'll tell her about that.
Uh, all right, we I don't wantfroze up and left when you were
like this, and it was a, a hugesteer.
Oh, yeah, so Milo of Croton.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
The story goes is that Milo was a little kid.
Every day he picked up thislittle calf, right, and he kept
doing it day after day and as hegrew he became a man.
Well, the calf also became ahuge steer.
Well, guess what?
Milo could keep lifting thecalf and he got stronger and
stronger and stronger over time,right?
So strength is really easy tobuild.

(01:01:54):
You just have to slowly do it,incrementally over time.
Our exposure to pickleball needsto be the same way.
If you microwave it, you shouldexpect a microwave product.
You're going to get injured andhurt.
If you slowly increase yourtime on the court, you have a
better chance of reducing yourrisk of injury.
So the rule of thumb should belike let's say you're playing

(01:02:16):
twice a week for an hour.
Don't increase your playingtime more than 15% per week.
The safe dosage is like 10 to15%.
So like if you're doing 120minutes a week, what?
Don't?
Add more than 20 minutes thenext week?
But if you go from playing twotimes a week to five times a
week, you know, add more than 20minutes the next week.
Yeah, but if you go fromplaying two times a week to five
times a week.
You know all bets are off.

(01:02:37):
That applies to every singlesport.
If you go into the app, we havesomething in there called
exercise load and we actuallytrack it for you and we start
telling you when you're kind ofin danger.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Oh really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, and there's this section in the app too,
like where it's body, mind andrecovery.
You can ask it for a bodyrecommendation.
You can go in there and pickpickleball and it'll tell you
your optimal duration and heartrate zone for that day.
You should be on the court.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Oh, all right, I got it.
I got to get that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Got to get it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
There's a lot in here .
The new version is going to.
As we're talking to Eric here,you're going to hear us
reference the app Aim7.
Well, what does it do?
Well, it attaches to yourcurrent wearable.
So, whatever current devicethat you use for all your
metrics, it will connect withthat.
It's pretty seamless, I waseven able to do it.
It will connect with that.
It's pretty seamless, I waseven able to do it.
And then it allows you tocalibrate your various functions
of mind, body and restfulness,and measures your sleep,

(01:03:39):
measures your exercise, measuresyour steps.
It connects with your wearableso that you have biometrics at
your disposal.
It also offers workouts postand pre.
That will help you stayinjury-free, hopefully.
And then there's the dreadedmental toughness that we all
suffer from occasionally.
There's a lot of lessons onthat too.

(01:04:00):
So download the app, use theshow notes to find a code 25%
off.
Let's get back to Eric Corum.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Oh my gosh, this is unreal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
You're back.
This has never happened before,hey no worries, because while
you were gone, I just signed upfor the app.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I made a fish a piece of time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
This is all being recorded.
Are you guys going to edit this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Do you guys own a facility?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
No, we wish.
I'm a chief people officer fora medical company and we started
an apparel company.
This is one of ours, dink, Ilove it.
An apparel company, pickleballAnyone, pickleball Anyone.
We're going to send you andAndrea a little swag, by the way
, because we'd love to give yousomething to represent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
But yeah, we got so crazy about pickleball in a
hurry and then we're lookingaround and all this stuff was
yeah, like our friends wouldgive us stuff that was
pickleball and at the time therewas no merger, okay, and it all
went to charity.
Because I was like it was, itdidn't feel good, the material
wasn't good, it didn't, it wascorny, it didn't look any you

(01:05:15):
know how many pickleball y'allor you know I mean.
So we came up and because weknew the growth of the sport,
like our idea was.
I'm walking through the grocerystore.
I know there's otherpickleballers in here but I
can't recognize you becausethere's nothing that made people
recognizable to each other.
So when our clothes are very,very, you know it's not anything
flashy.
It doesn't say have cornysayings or anything.
It's just something small thatwill say I'm a pickleball player

(01:05:36):
, except for milk.
And then, yeah, we have onethat says milk M-I-L-P.
And this is man.
I love pickleball underneath, Ilove it.
These have started I mean, thisis how we got to know Chris
Gronkowski with Ice Shaker,because one of our guys that is
founder of our club was wearingour milk shirt and one of his
right-hand guys saw him, startedconversation.
And then, you know, here we aredoing ice shaker competitions

(01:05:58):
and you know, pick a ball, andhe, he, he came out and played
in our Oktoberfest.
It's like it's a conversationstarter.
So anyway, we did that and thenhe had started a, an HR podcast
during COVID.
He during COVID, he was doingit for a while and he kind of
got bored with it and he waslike the only time I have fun is
when you're on.
So then I came on and I startedbeing his co-host.
Then Pickleball became a majorpart of our life.

(01:06:20):
I'm on the board of our club,I'm, I do when are you guys?

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
I'm in Fort Lake, south Lake.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
It's right at DFW Airport.
I go over in Richardson.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Yeah.
Oh, that's where I go to myoffice.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
My office is in Richardson, right off Campbell.
No way, I grew up on Campbelland gosh.
Where is it?
You know where they have likethe.
It's the old telecom corridor,but now it's man.
It's been a while Right wherethe Owen sausage farm is like a
new state farm off of GeorgeBush, kind of in that quadrant
right over.
There is where I grew up.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
It's a I go.
I go in twice a day or twice aweek.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Twice a day?
Jeez, that sucks, that'sawesome.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
So then the podcast, every conversation turned to
Pickleball anyway, and we werelike why don't we just go all in
Pickleball?
So then we started doingPickleball and our idea was just
well, we have 2000 people inour club, We'll just bring
people on and get to know ourclub members a little more.
And club.

Speaker 2 (01:07:14):
We'll just bring people on and get, get to know
our club members a little more.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
And then is this club on Facebook.

Speaker 3 (01:07:19):
It's the Southlake paddle club.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
Okay, and we're a nonprofit and we have over 2000
members and I'm on the board.
That's awesome.
Yeah, we.
It's a crazy story that one too, but it's such a but that's the
thing is.
Pickleball creates community.
One too, but it's such butthat's the thing is.
Pickleball creates communityhow we want.
We love pickleball.
The people we've met in this, Imean, you know, now we're doing
our podcast remote, we've beenasked to do a couple things here

(01:07:41):
and there and I mean it's just,it's anything that we can do to
further the community ofpickleball and bring people
together and make them healthieror give them, you know, mental
health.

Speaker 3 (01:07:54):
I mean seriously.
We've talked.
We've had people on here thathave literally explained how the
sport saved their life, orchanged their life at least.
And one guy, sutton Howard, forinstance, was basically living
in the Tenderloin district as ahomeless person in San Francisco
, drug addict, and is now aprofessional pickleball player
and clean and sober and doingwonderful.

(01:08:16):
It really is.
It's the power of the people inthe sport.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
We've seen it with our kids I mean with kids that
were affected by COVID thatisolation and this age of the
look down at your phone orgaming, this is transforming
their lives.
I see more kids now outdoors,and I'm not talking.
There were the kids that wereinvolved in pool sports.
That's one thing.
This is a whole nother thing,because it's socialization and

(01:08:43):
exercise and competition at thesame time.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
It's amazing.
My son well, my oldest son'sreally starting to get into it,
and that's what he likes themost is he gets to play with
other kids.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Our son the last two nights has been out playing.
But you were talking aboutsomething.
What was he talking aboutbefore he got cut?

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Oh, I was talking about load accumulation.
I can't remember where I got.
Where we got cut off, where wegot thunderstruck, Jesus, I'm so
sorry about that, but no, no'regood.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
It's not your fault.
Early on we played in atournament, it was super hot
here and he ended up justgetting like a heat stroke.
I don't know what, but he wasaffected by the heat and someone
had said well, once it happens,you're more prone to it.
There are times when we're outthere and I mean he's worked out
every day of his life and heand there are times where he

(01:09:30):
struggles more than than I doand he thinks it's that.
But I told him breathe throughyour nose.
I don't know.
He said that seemed to help.
That's another thing.
Is that this heat?

Speaker 3 (01:09:41):
is killing.
The heat is dangerous out here.
It really is.
Well, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
We've got a hydration guide I can send you guys if
you want to share with people.
That's a really important thingis to know and to dial in your
hydration, and it's not justwater, but electrolytes are
really important.
You should be drinking acertain amount of fluid, at
least 16 to 20 ounces, beforeyou play.
16 to 20 ounces for every poundof body weight that you lose

(01:10:09):
and in this weather, like I wasplaying yesterday at um 10, 30
or 10, 45, I mean I was drenchedwhen it was over with, and now
we're dealing with extreme heatand humidity, and in dallas it's
I think I looked yesterday itwas almost 100 degrees, yeah,
but, um, you know, cramping issomething I hear a lot about.
That's a multi-factorial problem.
It's hydration, it's um, andhydration, like I said, is

(01:10:33):
electrolytes plus water.
It's also nutrition, like haveyou eaten enough carbohydrate
before you play?
Because carbohydrate suckswater into the muscle and most
people don't know that.
And so, like, if you're on aketogenic diet, your muscles
aren't as hydrated, so you'remore prone to cramping.
If that's your lifestyle choice, it's fine.

(01:10:53):
You just need to know that.
And then also it's a tissueissue have you built up enough
fitness?
And so there's not really oneplace we can put our finger on
for cramping.
And then there's apsychological component.
If you're really anxious, ifyou're really aroused, you're
going to be sweating a lot more.
We would see this with eliteathlete.

(01:11:16):
I had one player when I was atthe university of Kentucky.
This guy ended up being a firstround draft pick in the NFL and
we would have to send him intothe locker room a few minutes
early at halftime so he couldliterally change all of his
clothes.
His shoes would be completelysoaked because he was so like
his eyeballs were this big.
There's some pro players.

(01:11:36):
I know that they're like whenthey're playing they're just
sucking in all and they're in ahighly aroused state.
You're gonna sweat more.
And if you watch people at thekitchen, you know the kitchen
line.
They're like, you know, becauseyou're waiting for that ball to
come right at your face.
Usually the people's mouth areopen.
You notice that, yeah, and so Ishould probably make another

(01:12:00):
video on that one, but that allthese things together can lead
to cramping and and so you'vereally got to have a good plan
for it.
And then around tournament play, it can be even worse because
you're playing back to back toback to back, and unless it's
indoors and even indoorsituation people get really
fatigued.
And I think that's a.
If you play, if you're atournament player, your

(01:12:21):
nutrition is a really importantpart of your ability to win out.
You know your skill and yourstamina, but then are you, are
you feeding yourself at thecorrect interval so that you can
have enough energy, especiallywhen you get to a finals, that
you can be at your best?

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
And there's some tactics around that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
So I'm happy to.
I'll write a note for myself tosend you a link.
You can put the show notes forpeople for that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
So someone gave him pickles and pickle juice.
Yeah, I mean, there's so manyof these hydration things.
I can't get it, I can't figurethem out.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Pickleball cocktail.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
Right, everyone's got one.
And now, all of a sudden,there's these little chew things
that have salt in them, andthere's that drink that has God,
it's called salty or something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:02):
I forget what it is, but it is horrid.

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
No, it was good, but it's all over the place.
Element I I'm back to justdoing, because I loved liquid IV
but the citrus caused me to getcuts.
It was too sour for my mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
I use Ultima.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
Ultima Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
It's zero calorie.
It's not overly salty, but ifyou're a heavy sweater, you're
going to need more sodium, yepand so if you know that about
yourself.
Yeah, there's Bubz.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Element, element, element.
Have you heard of that one?

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Yeah, really good brand.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Right 1,000 megs of sodium, 200 megs of potassium
and 60 megs of magnesium.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I mean most of these will be fine.
Element Pickleball Cocktail byJigsaw Health.
Ultima Bubs has got one thatwould be more for tournament
players.
It's a little bit more salty Ifyou're playing like four or
five, or you out there forplaying two or three hours in a
row.
You're going to need you'regoing to need to fuel with food
too.
You need to get somethingthat's easily digestible on your

(01:14:07):
system.
If you're going to go out andplay for a couple hours, after
about that 60 to 90 minutetimeframe, you need to put
something in your body.
It could be as easy as likewhite bread with honey on it, or
citrus fruit like a orange, um,or something else.
It's very easily digestible.
But make sure you get some foodon you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Now let me ask you this Do you think that you I
heard someone said that, withthese electrolytes, like you
need sugar to digest anelectrolyte or to have an
electrolyte.
Have you heard that?

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
I thought it was the first time I heard it you don't
need sugar but the carbohydratelike research does show that,
like carbohydrate rich beverages, like Gatorade, if you're
playing, if you're doing longduration activity I'm not
talking about a 60 minuteworkout, I'm talking like 90
minutes to two hours those aremore beneficial.
Why?

(01:14:56):
Because you, you need a quickhit of carbohydrate.
Um and so you know those arevery you.
Typically it's a maltodextrinthat's in those types of drinks.
Uh, that's really quick hit onyour system and so you're going
to get some instant sugar andit's going to help a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
That's what I resorted to.
That's where I'm at.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
And well, and I also wanted to, I wanted to make sure
we mentioned you have your ownpodcast, and tell me, tell me a
little bit more about thatwhat's the message that you're
spreading there?

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
Yeah, so, um, I started this about four years
ago and it's cutting edgescience, leadership and life
skills and what we call simpletactics.
So it's 15 to 20 minuteepisodes, um, and it's for
people that are busy but want tobe high performers.
Think about, like have you everheard of Andrew Huberman?
Yes, the Huberman lab.

(01:15:46):
It's like I think it's thenumber one podcast in the world
right now Next to Rogan, butthose are like three hours, so
we distill the same stuff intolike 15 minute segments on
everything from uh, exercise tomental health to leadership.
Um, I wanted to put together apodcast for people that want to
be high performers, like um.
Next week I have Steven Coveycoming on the show.

(01:16:07):
Um, we've had decision-makingexperts.
We've had former specialoperations folks.
I'll do episodes.
I'm doing episodes now onPickleball.

Speaker 1 (01:16:18):
Really.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
So we do three episodes a week Monday,
wednesday, friday.
They're very short.
The one that came out today wason three different things that
are basically forces acting onyour life that are forming you,
and so really, as we grow older,we want to become the best
version of ourself, and reallywhat that is is about counter
formation, and so I talked aboutstories, relationships and

(01:16:43):
different three different forcesthat are kind of acting on our
lives, but I try to do them inlike.
Some of them are seven minutes,some of them are 15 or 20.
So when I have on a guest likea scientist or a researcher on a
specific subject, we'll sitdown for an hour, but then I
break it into little bittychunks so somebody could listen
to it on the way to the grocerystore.
Yeah, so that's called theblueprint and we're, you know

(01:17:05):
wherever you consume yourpodcasts.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
You sound like you said that before.
Thank you.
I appreciate you bringing thatup you sound like you said that
before.
Well, thank you, I appreciateyou you bringing that up.
Yeah, absolutely, I mean wepart of uh, that's the other
part we found again in thisindustry.
Everybody seems to be willingand wanting to help one another.
Absolutely, the sport's stillgrowing, still in its early
years, despite how big it'sgotten, which is just crazy
we're at the bottom of the jcurve oh, I 100 agree, and I was

(01:17:31):
saying that for years, john,it's so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
You were on the flat line.
Now we're just starting to goup.
Yeah Right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Like John said, helping other businesses that
are coming up in this sport.
That's a focus too.
Did you go to the?
Have you gone to any of themajor PPA events?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
or MOPI events.
Yeah, yeah, yeah With the USOpen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Yeah.
So I guess when the Nationalswas here last year, the PPA did
a business forum I don't know ifyou know that, but they did and
so anyway, this other ladydecided hey, that's a great idea
, we should continue doing thison a local level to help support
local businesses.
And so now we're part of alittle think tank and it's so
funny because the world is sobig but it's so small and

(01:18:14):
pickable, Like the connectionsthat we've made.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
So what does the think tank do?
You guys just get together andtalk about how to build the
sport.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Yeah, they'll have like a.
If you want to be the featuredcompany, that day you will
present an issue.
You usually go in there with,excuse me, a problem or a
question, and you have theothers that are there that will
each get a chance to tell youwhat they think, and then the
next week it'll be the you knowsomebody else you'll rotate

(01:18:42):
through it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
So all entrepreneurs, all people who love, have a
love and and have a passion forthis sport, and all people who
have different levels ofresponsibility in the sport are
are invited in this.
In fact, even Ed Chow is.
I don't know if he's going onThursday, but our next one is
Thursday, ed.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Chow is the GM of the Dallas Flash.
Oh yeah, I bet, ed.
I think I bet.

Speaker 1 (01:18:59):
Ed, we covered the Dallas Flash MLP exhibition a
couple weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Against the Squeeze.
Yeah, that was cool.
Have you been to an MLP event?

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
Yes, I was at MLP Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Actually our new operations director.

Speaker 2 (01:19:16):
I met him through that event.
He just came on board.
It was awesome, Really awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
It really is.
It's great.
We couldn't believe that.
It kind of gave us anindication of where the sport is
.
I mean, these wereprofessionals, Some of them,
like Tyson McGuffin was therefor crying out loud and there
was maybe 150 people.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Like Hyson McGovern was there for crying out loud
and there was maybe 150 people.
That's how early this thing is.
And these guys, you know, thesepoor guys are just.
You know, most of them are liketo your point on Megan and
Ryler.
They're living in a Well.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
that's out of choice, because I mean, they do pretty
good.
They just signed a nice dealwith Franklin and she's crushed.
She almost triple crowned inCalifornia.
The APP event had 1,800 peoplecompeting, wow, and she won two
golds and a silver.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Well, she's in the signed group, yeah.
The majority of these guys thatare coming up are literally
living in their car down by theriver.
Oh yeah, I'm not kidding you,living in their car down by the
river.
I'm not kidding you.
Cole Whitaker, who is an up andcomer, lives lived in his van
by the Oasis pickleball centerin Crockwell to learn how to

(01:20:22):
become a good pickleballer andhe lived out of his van.
I don't know if he still does ornot, but then you know, and you
got um Slutsky, who we just wetalked to the other week and
he's um, you know he's, he's aprogrammer or something.
I mean, a lot of them are not.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
This is not a full-time thing yet well, I
think even zane wasn't that longago, wouldn't zane like a cpa
or an account?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
yeah, yeah, dude, and he, he's a unbelievable like.
He and I really hit it offbecause of our.
We're both like, very like.
If we say we're gonna dosomething, we're gonna do it,
we're gonna do it to the best ofour.
We were both like, very like.
If we say we're going to dosomething, we're going to do it,
we're going to do it to thebest of our ability, and we
immediately kind of connected onthat and like he'll text me and
uh, wait, wait, wait we lostyou, he'll text you.
He'll text me at five 30 in themorning.
So if I send him an email ortext I'm going to get a text the

(01:21:06):
next morning at around five 30in the morning.
And we did a series ofinterviews on the blueprint with
him and we kind of went throughhis daily routine.
He's super regimented and partof that actually is what's
helped him regulate a lot of thestressors in his life.
So because he's so regimented,he front modes all of his work

(01:21:29):
and I think it's around by fouro'clock in the day he's done.
If I need to get to get a holdof him, like I'm not getting a
hold of him, he's like cuteverybody off.
He's calming down, he'srelaxing, spending time with his
new wife, you know, and he'svery regimented like that.
And he's one of these guys thatwill do whatever it takes to be
elite and I love that.
Like I'm, I'm meeting the sametype of athletes at the highest

(01:21:51):
level that I worked with in theNFL.
They're all the same.
The best of the best are allthe same.
They're obsessed with theircraft, they're looking for ways
to improve and there's ahumility there that they're
always ready and willing tolearn.
And when I approached thissport, I came into it not having
all the answers, but reallytrying to learn, learn, learn,

(01:22:11):
learn, learn and then try toapply our expertise to some
known problems.
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
Yeah, yeah, I always call it like you got to layer
the skills on in this, becausethere was a point where I was
watching everything I could andI was taking lessons from this
coach and this coach andwhatever and it all these things
that I was working on and Icouldn't do anything right.
And so Tim, our friend and thefounder of our club, says he was

(01:22:36):
working with me and he workedwith me on mechanics, and that's
another thing.
I don't think that we peoplework on shots rather than, okay,
the mechanics and I think youmentioned this earlier too right
, technique, but I think it'sactually mechanics, like the
understanding, the mechanics notjust doing, because our bodies,
we are all going to dosomething a little bit different
.
And you look at the pros andyou're like, how do they do that

(01:22:57):
?
Well, it's because they havesomebody, their third alert
who's, who's perfected theirtechnique, their, their
mechanics, and it makes a hugedifference.
Um, being able to hit a ballwith topspin now instead of my
shoulder, like your point, likegear point.
I overused my shoulder a lot inin the beginning.
I'm learning how not to do thatbecause it's really

(01:23:19):
embarrassing when you see it ona video.

Speaker 3 (01:23:20):
I'll tell you that well, he's gonna see it on video
.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
I'm gonna get that video well, let's close it out
with one question okay what'syour favorite pickleball shot?

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
my favorite pickleball.
I love to dink and I want to bea world-class dinker.
I think just watching, like Ihave to be, like watching Megan
and then watching her how shebends and moves, and then
watching Annalie waters at MLPLike I was like right there next

(01:23:51):
to the court and watching howshe used angles to her advantage
, it was just like it was athing.
And the court and watching howshe used angles to her advantage
, it was just like it was athing.
There's a reason why she's sostinking good.
She is also mentally one of thestrongest athletes, I think, on
the entire tour.
But I would love to be just anamazing dinger, cause that's a
skill that, as I age like powergoes out the window.
It's really about having thatsoft hands and placing the ball

(01:24:13):
where you want it.
I I'm fascinated by that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Amen, I'm right there with you.
I am too.
Now we're going to fill up uhshow notes.
Anyway, people can get ahold ofyou and I've already started to
follow you on Insta, so I'llget all your socials and all
that kind of stuff.
But if people want to find outmore about uhIM7 and what's next
, what's the best way for themto do a little research on you?

Speaker 2 (01:24:36):
Yeah, I would say follow us at AIM7 on Instagram
and then go to AIM7.com.
You can download the app.
Like I said, the next versionis coming out in September.
I'll say this we have a 90%retention rate right now, after
30 days.
So people are staying with us.
They love this app.
Retention rate right now, after30 days.
So people are staying with us,they love this app.
We're building something thatdoesn't exist and really trying

(01:24:59):
to build the future of healthand performance for pickleball.
So we're trying to nurture ourcommunity, get to know them.
So, like, if you send us anemail, we will respond very
quickly.
Um, we are really I amfanatical about getting to know
people, understanding theirproblems and helping build
solutions.
And, um, we put out a reallycool weekly newsletter that
includes like a lot of likeperformance tips and stuff like

(01:25:21):
that.
So if you go to our site, youcan sign up for that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:24):
It's cool.
Well, if and if Andrea is anyindication of the responsiveness
of your team, I'm telling youshe was bang, bang bang
responsiveness.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
So she's awesome, very blessed to have her.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Well, Eric, you were so great talking to you.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Likewise, thank you for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:25:40):
Thank you for coming on and hopefully the weather's
past you there, but uh, and goodluck with the electricity
situation.
That's a mess down there, man.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
It's a total mess.

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