November 13, 2023 • 41 mins
Welcome back pickleheads. Today we speak with Noah Suemnick, founder of the National Collegiate Pickleball Association (NCPA). Get ready to be inspired as he shares his ambitious journey of bringing the sport to college campuses around the country. Fresh from the NCPA's maiden tournament in San Diego, and the challenges faced in establishing a pickleball association during a time when everyone is looking for a piece of the pickleball pie.
Listen in as we navigate through Noah's bold vision of uniting college and community through the ever-expanding sport of pickleball. If you're a fan of controversy, you won't want to miss his experiences dealing with the NCAA over the organization's name - a tale of adversity turned advantage.
At only 22 years old, Noah has a vision that is just now launching into reality. Only five years ago the average age of pickleball players was 50+, but that dynamic is quickly flipping with more and more players learning and playing the game at a young age. It won't be long before pickleball scholarships are a reality, high school letter jackets will feature a whiffle ball, and people like Noah will be the ones to make it happen.
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John (00:00):
It also caught the the the attention of our friends at the
NCAA because they are trying toclaim some sort of name
infringement or that actuallythe quote cause you're real
popular in papers.
In September there was likefour in a row all with the same,
pretty much same article in CIAthreatening to sue local
pickleball promoter over theorganization.
(00:22):
And the best code of all of itfrom the NCAA, from them, or
maybe it was their attorney, butthe closeness of the names is
likely to cause confusion andharm the public.
I mean you.
You might actually harm thepublic.
Noah (00:36):
Well, they also said it was unfair competition and I was
like I haven't even held anevent at this point, Like Hello
pickleheads, welcome back.
John (00:46):
Episode four, season one, blazing paddles.
Today, our guest is NoahSumnick.
He is the founder of the NCPA,the National Collegiate
Pickleball Association.
This guy's got a great story.
He's a kid, still really 22,just graduated from college and
he has big plans for pickleballin the college space.
(01:06):
You're going to hear some ofthe challenges he's already
overcome and we've got sometournaments upcoming here, one
of which is going to be in myalma mater, texas A&M, december
2nd and 3rd.
He's going to have a hugetournament down there.
So put your ears on and listen.
Saddle up, you'll be glad youdid.
It's unique.
(01:31):
Um, I was trying to recall howlong ago it was that we
connected it.
It was.
It was it a year.
Noah (01:39):
It's been a while it's been over six months for sure
but yeah, lots, lots happenedsince then.
John (01:44):
Man, uh, I think you reached out on Instagram.
Uh, you're at.
At the time it was Point Loma,your pickleball club.
Um, we're like, yeah, sure,that'd be awesome, let's connect
, cause you know we do makeshirts and jerseys and things
like that.
And it turned out you had ummuch bigger aspirations than
just a little club.
Noah (02:01):
um, over your school.
John (02:02):
Um, now for people who don't know, the name of the
organization that you created isnational collegiate pickleball
association, the NCPA, andthat's been a real popular
choice, hadn't it?
Noah (02:14):
Yeah, it has.
There's a it's turned someheads for sure Couple, couple of
big guys in the industry.
But, um, yeah, I mean whendeciding the name it was just
simply.
You know it's like go big or gohome If you want to.
You know we want to be, youknow, the overarching college
pickleball um league, right, soum at that point you can't have
(02:38):
a name like you know, uh,college pickleball league.
you know of, um, like you got ayeah, so we, we landed on
national collegiate pickleballassociation and um, yeah, it was
uh, yeah, we're definitelyhappy with the choice but Trying
to, not really trying to dateyou or anything, but are you 23,
24?
John (02:57):
How old are you now?
Noah (02:58):
I'm 22.
22.
Okay, not trying to date you.
John (03:03):
Trying to date myself.
Uh, yeah, be my child for sure.
But 22 years old you startedthe club, um, and I guess the
club started off really quickly,quicker than maybe you expected
, and then you had these, theseaspirations to do some stuff.
I know that.
Tell me about like the firsttournament you put together,
because I know your first onewas mainly just colleges in the
area right there in San Diego,right.
Noah (03:25):
Correct.
Yeah, um, so when I started theclub at point Loma a while back
it was probably two years ago,um, it was very much.
It was just SDSU, usd,obviously, point Loma, ucsd, um,
and we got, you know, a lot ofinterest with those ones.
So we kind of word got aroundto like a couple of schools in
(03:46):
Arizona like hey, what's goingon with this?
Saw, you know, SCSU post this,um, and it kind of expanded from
there.
So, um, yeah, honestly did notexpect to, I guess, be on this
trajectory and like have thesegoals that we have um now, but,
um, yeah, I mean couldn't,wouldn't have it any other way
(04:07):
for sure.
Karen (04:08):
So Well, let's go back a little bit, cause I mean, you're
22, you're playing pickleball,and and what?
A couple of years ago, theaverage age of a pickleballer
was 65, maybe Great.
Noah (04:20):
Yeah.
Karen (04:22):
And so our son uh, we have a 22 year old and they, you
know they play, but I mean itsounds like it hit you guys.
It seems like it's just hitting.
The wave is just hitting thispart of the country now.
So how did you get involved inpickleball?
Did you play tennis?
Noah (04:38):
So no, I'm a soccer guy.
So, um, I played, my mom playedtennis.
I played a little bit here andthere, but nothing crazy.
Um, yeah, I first started afterCOVID hit that's I think that's
the story with a lot of people,but now much to do, we're stuck
inside.
My friend was like, hey, let'sgo play some pickleball.
I was like what the heck isthat?
(04:59):
And then, um, that that was theuh, the origin story of of
pickleball for me.
Karen (05:05):
So so you just started playing, and then I mean what it
grew?
I mean that was one friend.
And then I mean did it?
Was it a college thing?
What so?
Noah (05:13):
um, this was just my buddy from high school.
So, um, we were back, we'restuck in our houses.
So he was like, let's go play.
And then, um, after we wereallowed back into um, just to
move back into our dorm rooms,uh, I was like, dang, I, I got
addicted to pickleball.
I really love it.
I really love it, why not bringpickleball to Point Loma?
(05:36):
So, uh, made the club and it,honestly, the start, the first
year was horrible because no oneshowed up.
We were definitely before the,you know the, the surge of
pickleball and the younger, um,the younger age groups.
But second year, which was lastyear, it blew up.
We had, um, it went from like10 people to a hundred people,
(05:58):
um, every Sunday and it was just, yeah, definitely a huge
difference from the year prior,but, um, I just love because it,
you know, pickleball bringspeople together and and we
became the biggest club at PointLoma in the matter of one year.
So, um, yeah, it was, it wascool to see, see that growth.
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Assume it.
Reminding people of the name iscause I know the name you said.
(06:39):
It caught the attention of afew people in the industry.
It also caught the the, theattention of our friends at the
NCAA, because they are uh tryingto claim some sort of name
infringement or that actuallythe quote cause.
You were real popular in uhpapers in September.
There was like four in a rowall with the same, pretty much
same article in CAA threateningto sue local pickleball promoter
(07:00):
over the organization.
And the best code of all of it,from the NCAA, from, uh, them,
or maybe it was their attorney,but the closeness of the names
is likely to cause confusion andharm the public.
I mean you.
You might actually harm thepublic.
Noah (07:17):
Well, they also said it was unfair competition and I was
like I haven't even held anevent at this point, like it's
just, it was, it's crazy.
Like, um, I mean, biggest thingis you know when, cause, we got
the um, we got the letter.
My attorney was like hey, we've, uh, I've, got something for
you.
It's not the best news.
And I was like, oh my God, likecause, I played division two
(07:40):
soccer and um, I played like inthese NCAA tournaments and I was
like, whoa, how, how are theseguys, like you know, sending the
cease and desist and everything?
Um, so, yeah, once it, once theword got out, it turned to a
positive note.
Um, obviously, because, likeword spread, we it honestly gave
(08:00):
us credibility as well, justbecause you know we are trying
to be Be something bigger thanjust like a small little, you
know, tournament organized.
We went from just me to 10people on our team.
Yeah, it's just.
It turned around to be good.
Obviously, the saying All pressis good press.
So that that I definitelylearned first saying which is
(08:22):
great.
But yeah, yeah, you got it'sfunny, man.
John (08:26):
I saw this one article.
It went from San Diego Uniontrip to the Point Loma, I Guess,
the obi monthly, the Sporticoto tech dirt, all talking about
the same thing and and, quitehonestly, most of the article
seemed to have the same kind oftone.
Is that, you know, really, inCAA, this is really, you know,
something that does causing youangst.
It, and I think we all knowit's about.
(08:48):
They probably say, hey, this,this is gonna be where they, if
they don't recognize how huge itis I'm certainly do now but
it's money there's, it's a mightbe a money grab or a property
grab, because they know everycollege in America is gonna have
this for on campus.
Noah (09:04):
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, that's why I meanpickleball just in general.
Outside of college there are somany little like tournament
organizers or Brands popping up.
Everyone's trying to get youknow a piece of of pickleball.
And it's, you know, eventually,over time it's going to you
know not dilute, but it's gonnaconcentrate into the like a soul
(09:29):
, soul forces for brands orStuff like that.
So, yeah, we're definitely inthe Wild West for pickleball.
It's, it's been crazy, but yeah, I mean, that just goes to show
you the I guess wherepickleball can be.
So that's, that's the cool part.
John (09:47):
Yeah, we saw that here and I we found out in a couple ways
people aren't as interested inthe professional pickleball as
they will be, I'm sure, becauseonce you watch it at that level
it's just whoa, it's amazing.
But when the MLP you know,major league pickleball and the
professional pickleballAssociation, ppa, when they were
At odds and all of a suddenlooked like they were not gonna
(10:09):
merge, pitting war, going out,going back and forth, that's
when you really saw oh man, thisthing is.
Now it's like you said, it isthe Wild West and people are
trying to stake some claims andtrying to consolidate.
And it's really hard right nowbecause, I mean, we're another
example, we're a little brand,we're trying to make our mark
out there.
I mean, we're not trying to ownthe world or anything, but
(10:30):
there might have been two whenwe started.
Now there's 200.
Noah (10:33):
So it's it's a good question.
Um, I mean, biggest thing withpickleball which is why it's so
big is just the fact that I meananyone can pick up a paddle and
play.
Like you can be a 15 year oldkid playing with a 75 year old
and still have a great time likethat.
(10:54):
That's the beauty of the sport.
So, yeah, biggest thing, likewith kind of how we've
structured the business, like werun college and community
events, our biggest thing wewant to bring people together.
We are college specific but, um, yeah, we, I mean it's
pickleball.
(11:14):
It's the beautiful game,pickleball, everyone can play it
.
So, yeah, we try to pretty muchbring as many people together
as possible, whether that'ssponsors, businesses, players of
all ages.
Like, yeah, it's a cool spot tobe it for sure.
Karen (11:29):
So you've got 10 people on your team like who are, who
are they?
Are they?
Noah (11:34):
We have.
I got four of my buddies fromcollege that are working with me
took a lot of convincing.
They're like I do it, I don'tknow.
And then they saw kind of youknow, just pickleball as a whole
.
But then what we were trying tobuild and our space
specifically, they were likelet's do this, there's something
here.
And then we've got graphicdesigners, social media manager,
(11:56):
we've got somebody workingsponsorships that's vague in the
football world.
So, um, yeah, got a a verystrong team of people that just
kind of believe in what we'redoing, in the vision and the
story and everything.
And a big thing for us like aLot of what's happening in
pickleball.
(12:16):
People are just trying to likeget in on it.
There's because there's moneyin it, right, a big thing about
us, for us, specifically, thecollege space.
It's.
It's a.
It's pretty untouched given the.
Obviously, college is verydelayed comparative to, you know
, all other age demographics.
So when we look at college, alot of these kids meet just
(12:40):
having graduated college.
We don't have any money.
Like it's a, it's a tough gigto, you know, fly out across the
nation To a tournament or flyor drive 10 hours To a regional.
It's a lot.
So a lot of what we do.
We raise money for these kidsto help fly them out, to just
(13:01):
fund their travel, to make surethat they can, you know, because
for a college kid there's fouryears, right, there's only four
years that they have in college.
And, you know, for the juniorsand seniors it's, you know, it's
either now or never for them,and me just having missed it by
a year, I wish someone had, kindof, you know, been able to pave
the way for the top players atPoint Loma to come out to an
(13:24):
event and have over 50 collegescome together like that.
That, to me, is just soexciting and because I couldn't,
you know, I couldn't get that,I wanted to give that to, you
know, these other colleges.
Karen (13:35):
So I we're very well aware of how broke our kids are
in college.
Noah (13:41):
Yeah, it's, it's a tough gig.
Karen (13:44):
I mean it's great that you're offering some help in
that way, and you're right.
I mean, and pickleball there,it's not organized by these, by
colleges, yet right, we don't,they're mostly rec, and I mean,
eventually it'll get there, butin the meantime, let's not miss
out on the opportunity,especially since I can only
imagine as I mean John and I'vebeen playing for years our kids
(14:05):
won't pick up a paddle and getout there after you know, they
haven't picked up a paddle insix, eight months and still give
us a run for our money.
Noah (14:13):
I'm like.
Karen (14:14):
So I'm excited to see the you know this age group getting
into pickleball and see what itdoes to the sport.
Noah (14:23):
Yeah, I mean once, once there's an organized kind of,
especially with, like, juniorsand college kids, like they're
going to be there, the future ofpickleball.
So once that youngerdemographic buys in, it's going
to you know, it's going toexplode even more.
So, yeah, that's definitelywhat we're trying to do for the
growth of the sport specifically.
John (14:43):
Well, and I know that for your vision you kind of had your
first real proof of concepthere recently with the
tournament that you just hosteda pretty big one.
Yeah go, and who was involvedin that?
Where was that one?
So?
Noah (14:57):
yeah, this is our first organized NCP event.
This was in California, sanDiego, specifically at the hub.
So, yeah, we had about 180players playing in these, you
know, 12 different, 12 differentbrackets over Saturday and,
yeah, I mean, we, given it wasour first event, we were very
(15:23):
trying to set our expectationslow, because this is our first
time actually, like running anorganized tournament and
everything new, using oursoftware pickleball then that
we're using and it turned outvery like.
It went a lot better than weexpected.
A lot of positive feedback.
Yeah, biggest thing for us,like we now have proof of
(15:44):
concept, we have content whereit's not just words that we're
kind of saying like we'veactually said, hey, we've run
this event and we also ran it atthe hub, which is where our
March Nationals is going to be.
So, yeah, it gives us a littlebit more of that credibility to
people that are like whoa, whoa,whoa, like who's the NCP, like
who are these guys?
So, yeah, all in all, it was asuccess for sure.
John (16:08):
Well, and the reason that we're kind of excited to be in
here in Texas and be being a anA&M grad Texas A&M grad you have
another tournament coming up onDecember 2nd and 3rd.
Noah (16:18):
That's correct, yeah, so yeah, we're going to Texas A&M,
we're going to be playing there.
They've got 28 courts, yeah,that one.
So yeah, with these events,college and community.
So we've got obviously A&M, tcu, baylor, ut and just trying to
get out, you know, at leastthree or four of those colleges
(16:39):
all to come together.
Yeah, we again it's like wewant to have it be, and this,
this is a fundraiser for fundingthese players.
So, pretty much like, run theevent the same way we would any
other events professionally runit's, you know, solid people get
a minimum of four games, butyou know, a player going in
(17:00):
that's outside of college, like,okay, I'm playing in this event
getting a minimum of four gamesin a single bracket and my
money's going somewhere.
So it's a properly run eventand my money's actually going
back to, you know, my hometown,my school.
So yeah, it's like an allencapsulating kind of, I guess,
(17:21):
business model that we kind ofhave with these tournaments.
So, yeah, very excited for itthough.
John (17:29):
So you're going to have and just so clarify, because
we're going to be helping youpromote this thing.
Obviously this is for students,this is for alumni, this is for
people just in the communitywho might be in that community
and who support the school.
I mean, there's a lot of peoplein college station, for
instance, who love A&M but theydidn't attend A&M so they would
love to do it.
So is sign up?
(17:49):
Is everybody eligible?
Just want to clarify who'seligible.
Noah (17:53):
Yes, so everyone's eligible.
So, because we're raising moneyfor the college kids, so it's a
$45 per bracket.
The biggest thing is for thecollege kids.
They like, if I were playing,I'm a college kid at A&M, I can
play in men's doubles, mixeddoubles, men's singles, so for
all of those it's just $45.
(18:14):
And then for the communitycoming in, that's when it's $45
a piece.
You don't have to be an alumniof these schools.
It's pretty much open to thepublic and, yeah, biggest thing,
we're just bringing peopletogether, open to everyone.
John (18:29):
And how many people are you hoping to get there?
I know that you've got.
You do dream big, so what's thenumber?
Noah (18:36):
So the number we want to be conservative.
So we're hoping to fill over200 bracket spots with a minimum
of 100 different players.
John (18:47):
Are you going to play?
Are you going to try to play aswell?
Noah (18:50):
That's a good question.
I mean, california was verytempting the event last week.
Yeah, I haven't decided becauseobviously we want the
tournaments to be run smoothly.
So I've got one of my buddiescoming down to help me run it.
I'm going to say I got to fightthe temptation and say I'm not
going to be playing because Iwant to make sure everything's
(19:11):
run smoothly.
But yeah, I will be supportingfrom the side cheering people on
.
John (19:18):
What kind of what level do you think you are?
Do you keep a deeper score orhave a rating?
Noah (19:25):
I would self rate myself.
I have not played in atournament, but I'd probably be
a 4-0, I think I just I meanthat's, yeah, I don't play
consistently enough to you know,because some, some days, I'm a
3-5.
I'm not I'm like average, notgreat, I'm like, wow, I could go
(19:45):
pro.
This is crazy, but that doesn'thappen often.
Karen (19:50):
But I mean, yeah, consistency is key with like
everything, and I have noconsistency with pickleball, so
yeah, Well, that's the big thingthat we're seeing right now,
because you know, we've got thePPA going on here in our
backyard right now, and thenlast week it was the MLP, but
boy.
And then our October fest.
We had a couple of pros comeout and that was the different.
(20:11):
The pros played the top playersin our league or in our club.
Sorry, and it's just.
That was the one difference.
Is that consistency?
It's unreal to watch.
I tried it this morning.
I was like, okay, I'm tryingsome of the little tricks that I
learned from watching the pros.
I looked pretty much like a proyeah.
Noah (20:34):
I love it.
Yeah Well, it's crazy.
Like when I watch some of thesepros, it's just every shot is
perfect and, like some of these,some of these rallies will go
on for, you know, over a minutestraight and they're just
perfectly hitting back.
It's like it's crazy.
The amount of patience that youneed to play pickleball is
(20:57):
pretty crazy, but that's what.
Karen (21:00):
I'm saying it's going to be changed.
I think a lot.
You know, I'm watching theplayers yesterday and some of
the more, I guess, well knownpros playing, some that I didn't
recognize a little bit younger.
It's going to change the gamequite a bit.
Noah (21:19):
Yeah yeah, there's a lot of younger, younger pros getting
signed and everything.
So I mean it's cool to see likethis is just the beginning
phases of kind of wherepickleball could go.
John (21:29):
Yeah, are you?
Have you played in an MLPformat yet with the team format?
Noah (21:36):
I have not.
I've seen events obviously Runlike it.
Yeah, it's, it's interestingbecause there's so many
different ways to run an event.
We personally do Pull play intosingle elimination.
I think With the MOP formatit's like I like the, I guess,
(21:59):
emphasis on team and, like youknow, both men and women come
together and like their completescore happens.
So I really like that aspect.
But I think it's very importantto have like mixed games but
also separate the two.
So like with our, our MarchNationals, we're gonna be having
men's, women's mixed but thenhaving also we want to make sure
(22:25):
it's separate.
So separate awards for men's,the best college, separate for
women's.
I think that's very important,which, because with pickleball
it's kind of an unorthodox sportin the sense of you know, when
you look at other sports there'snot really, like you know, mix
going on.
Yeah, so it's interesting to see.
But I'm not opposed to that, Ilike it.
(22:47):
I just think it's having bothis pretty cool.
Karen (22:51):
You know, it's the one sport to that I think we're
almost.
The females are more excitingto watch than the men.
John (23:03):
I mean, I mean yeah.
Karen (23:05):
I mean in ten in Pickleball it's so fast, and
then, and then the cool thing isthat you, you know, I guess,
well, I guess that would be thesame for tennis.
I don't know I never reallylike tennis as much as I like
pickleball, so it's more, morefun.
Noah (23:20):
Wait, cuz you can see yourself, because in tennis,
like a lot more movement, it's alot harder, so a lot more
people can look at pickleballand visualize themselves on the
court being like I can do that.
So like, I think that's what'sexciting too, because people
they watch it, they get inspired, they're like I can physically.
You know, it's possible that Ican do this.
(23:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonnago play tomorrow morning.
So, yeah, that's the cool part,it's people are.
You know.
I think that's why it's sopopular To people can visualize
themselves watching these pros.
Karen (23:52):
Yeah, you know.
Have you ever recorded a game?
You're playing a game of mice.
Noah (23:59):
I don't have the confidence for that yet.
I need to.
I need a dial in and then I'llanalyze my gameplay.
Karen (24:05):
But let me tell you something like it's so funny
because we've done that?
Because to kind of go back andsee who was right about like
court positioning or who shouldhave taken it.
I whatever you know, just so wecan get better right and.
I swear, when I'm playing Ilook like Anna Lee and John is
Ben Johns, and then you watchyour own video and you're like
(24:31):
it looks so much more athleticwhen I was.
Noah (24:33):
Yeah, yeah like I would, because I would watch Soccer
clips and in my head I'm like,wow, I just feel like I'm so
good.
But then I see myself like that.
I just I get.
So I just get kind of cringedout sometimes I'm like, dude,
what are you doing?
Like, why do you look like that?
But I Mean that that's part ofthe growth.
(24:54):
You got to put yourself and yougot to judge yourself so you
can grow.
So, man, let me tell you.
John (25:00):
Two weeks ago Our club held their first MLP style
tournament call is gonna be anannual thing and there was what?
112, 12 teams, mm-hmm.
We draft, you did a draft andthe whole thing.
So it's really well run andwell Thought of.
But I got drafted onto a team.
Karen was an alternate and sheended up getting to play too.
But let's talk about what thesepros are dealing with.
(25:21):
We're out there with friendliesI mean, these are people we
know we play with all the timebut all of a sudden you know you
have people watching you andthere's a crowd and people are
filming you and I swear to God,you would have thought I mean I
had cotton mouth.
I mean Karen was like, hadthese Now?
Then where's this?
Like?
Oh my god, what are we doing?
people, have a take a time outand deep breathe.
It's like man.
What is going on?
Noah (25:42):
because it was so nerve-wracking when you're out
there is but you got to do it.
John (25:47):
Like you said, push yourself and grow, because next
time I won't be nearest nervous,but I'll still be nervous.
Karen (25:52):
It was crazy, yeah, but I'm sure for kids it's a little
bit different to you.
You don't have all of theinsecurities that we bring to
the table yet.
Noah (26:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's.
I think just Like like you'resaying, john, just anyone
watching, when you know in theback of your head like I'm
getting recorded, like If I messup it's on, like someone has it
on their phone, I guess it'sscary.
I think that's for anyone.
It's just like you don't wantto mess up, like I want to look
(26:21):
really good when I play.
So yeah, I mean it's, it'snerve-wracking for sure.
John (26:26):
We have a nice little clip of Karen in the middle of a
match where she and her partnerkind of ran into each other.
She's on the ground and insteadof you know doing anything
picking up her paddle, she hitsit back with her hand.
Karen (26:37):
I hit.
I hit the.
I hit an overhead and then mypaddle fell.
So he's and he's at the sametime.
He's coming over to get theshot and I'm reaching down to
pick up the paddle.
The ball comes, so I just hitit with my hand.
Noah (26:53):
I mean, that's all you can do.
Karen (26:55):
Like I was like not gonna give up.
I was like I'll hit it with theright, gonna hit it with.
Yeah, I was.
That was pretty good.
John (27:01):
Yeah but I can see you know, before we were like pretty
much strictly PPA.
Like I love same kind of thing.
You grow up watching tennis andall that MLP really does is
bring a neat little break in aschedule To and I think, like
you said, separate the two,maybe have an MLP event once or
twice a year, but everythingelse kind of PPA, I think it's
(27:22):
just.
It kind of gives you a chancefor teamwork in a sport that
doesn't really have a lot ofteamwork.
You know it's the individualhonest.
Karen (27:30):
Well, it would be fun to have school, you know?
I mean, your school is yourteam, so you pick right come to
the top four, right top four toptwo, two, you know eight, eight
players, or something like that.
Yeah, I don't know it's, it'swe were huge fans of just pick
up all the way it was, until wedid this MLP tournament.
(27:51):
We're like, wow, this is a coolway to to run things as well.
I really did one people togethertoo, I mean John's good little
little four.
Some they were the completeunderdogs.
It was hilarious because theywere.
I think John was the tallestone by a whole head.
And I'm not tall, and and andthe team that he had to play
(28:14):
against in the finals was it wasthe.
The Shortest girl was John'sheight.
John (28:21):
It was lovely, a David versus yeah we won silver, so we
were, we were thrilled we gotthere.
Noah (28:27):
That's awesome.
John (28:27):
And that was the most nerve-wracking experience of my
life, because there was only twoteams left and we have to go
out there and we're thinkingwe're gonna get humiliated and
it's all being live-streamedright now.
Karen (28:39):
Let me ask you this no, okay, yeah, so serve wise like.
Are you a conservative serveror you just like want to smash
it?
Oh?
Noah (28:47):
Mmm that's that's a good question.
So I started off in my careeras a pickle baller.
I Would slam it as hard as Icould 50% of the time it go in,
50% it wouldn't, but the timesit went in usually we would get
the point and like to me that'sa free point.
So Pretty much I got to thepoint where you know people can
(29:11):
now return.
You know more than half ofthose serves.
So if I'm hitting half into thenet like Probability wise, it's
just it's just not worth it atthat point.
So I've kind of let off let offthe gas a little bit and tried
to be more in control.
But yeah, I mean I still, Ilove just smashing it, because
(29:32):
when it goes in all hits, wow,that's very rare.
So, yeah, there's a goodbalance.
Karen (29:39):
But Well, they're saying, you know that, that because the
server is becoming a weapon,they that's not pickable, and so
they're there.
There's consideration,apparently, from Going to just
drop shots, so you have tobounce, bounce the ball before
you serve, which I think isinteresting, you know.
(30:00):
But like to your point, likeit's my game.
John (30:09):
Yeah, one of our buddies is guy.
I mean, he serves ball, derekif you, I know you're listening.
He serves so hard he gruntsafter every serve.
Karen (30:16):
Oh, his whole body is like flying in the air.
John (30:19):
And if, he hits it, I mean you're not gonna return it, but
it's just.
Karen (30:23):
That's oh, I can return every one of them.
John (30:26):
I'm like yes so they were saying that the the intent of
pickleball and I think I heardthis on, there's a great,
there's a really good podcastcalled king of the court, if
we're talking about otherPickleball podcast and the
intent was never for the serverto be a weapon and so that's why
they outlawed like what was it,spencer?
The?
Chainsaw all the stuff becauseit's a whiffle ball and a lot of
(30:50):
guys who especially have pingpong backgrounds.
You can make that ball move,man.
You can do some funky stuffwith it.
So, I I do a backhand spin serveand Does alright, mess with
people a little bit, but but I Igave up trying to just smash,
serve it for the very reasonyou're saying, because I just
can't consistently put it in, ifyou, if you.
Karen (31:10):
If the ball goes out, yeah, it's over, right, so you.
Or because of the net it's over?
John (31:14):
Well, yeah, you learn that MLP not only do you, that's a
point, I mean MLP rally scoring.
You serve in the net.
You just lost a point.
It's not even like you justright next server.
Karen (31:23):
So brutal.
Exactly what's your favoriteshot, oh.
John (31:29):
Probably that, so I.
Noah (31:31):
Yeah, I mean I will say I would say the service probably
the best.
But outside of the serve, Ilove it's the Driving it down
the line.
So like I'm on the right side,I just drive it down the line
because it's it's a tough shotto hit.
Not a lot of people kind of seeit and usually people are
Right-handed so if they're onthe left side they got to put
(31:53):
their arm all the way across.
So, yeah, a lot of tactics withwith that, but, um, yeah, I
would say that's probably thefavorite, your favorite.
Karen (32:02):
Yeah, they say that's a low percentage shot.
But if you can perfect it likeit sounds like you can place the
ball pretty well, then it's a.
It's a great Tool to exactly.
Yeah, as a go-to.
I no one cannot.
I'm not that accurate.
It's a very low percentage shotfor me.
Can I do it sometimesabsolutely?
(32:25):
But you know, I think withpick-a-ball it's about layering.
Like you know you're you'relaying on, layering on skills,
and so like you can't just layeron a whole bunch at one time
and do well at them.
So in time I'm sure that I'llI'll become more consistent with
it, because because I'll tellyou some of the angles that the
tennis players have yeah inthere, in there, arsenal.
(32:49):
It I did not have, but now I'mstarting to pick it up and it's
just yeah, it's just like addinga little layer at a time,
that's what 20, I think thepickleball will do for you.
John (33:00):
Hey, don't throw stones Now we alluded to this a couple
times to I don't want to makesure we give this a little
Sunshine.
Twos this Nationals.
You've talked about yournational championship that
you're playing it from March.
Is that gonna be back in PointLoma?
Noah (33:17):
So this is going to be where we had the, our last
events.
So this is at the hub.
So, yeah, that's Quick summaryof it.
We've got 52 colleges comingout all around the nation
Incredible, yeah, we're sominimum.
We're having 208 players out,that's four per college.
We're inviting a maximum ofeight, so two teams can be
(33:41):
represented, two men, two women.
Yeah, so we, the way we do, wekind of have like a mixed.
It's that like pool play typeformat, because I'm soccer guy,
world Cup big, big fan,obviously, as most of the world
is, but I Think it's it's areally cool Kind of format to
implement.
(34:02):
And then at the end we have thetop four colleges pulling that
team-style format.
So, yeah, but getting on anational broadcast as well.
I'm finalizing an exclusivedeal with either CBS, espn or
fight TV.
And then, yeah, we're, we'reexcited for it.
I mean, there's been, this hasbeen being pulled, this has been
(34:24):
Planned for the past, you know,I'd say like over eight months,
so a lot of time has been putinto this, but, yeah, it's
finally come to fruition.
We're getting colleges toFinalize their flights, sign up
their top two men, two women.
So, yeah, we're definitelyexcited for it.
Karen (34:43):
You know what, noah, I mean.
When we met you I don't evenknow when it was, do it would
you say, a year ago.
Noah (34:50):
I mean you were in your dorm.
Karen (34:51):
I think great.
Noah (34:53):
Yeah.
Karen (34:54):
But the very first conversation I ever do, I was
like this kid is like he'sincredible, you've got.
You've got energy, you've gotyour passion, your, your
fearless, you're.
You've taken, you know, lawyersor letter, whatever you're like
you're fearless.
I love that about you.
I love it that you're pouringit all into my favorite sport,
(35:16):
pickleball.
But I mean I appreciate that.
I love, I've really enjoyedgetting to know you over however
many months.
This has been because and andthat's why you've got our
support and whatever we can doto help you because I Love
somebody who, just who sees anopportunity, he sees in a gap
(35:36):
and just says you know, I wantto fill that gap and I'm gonna
make this thing happen, nomatter what, and that's that's
what you've demonstrated to us.
Noah (35:42):
So yeah, I appreciate that .
I mean, and I will say To youguys, there there's very few
people that Will kind of getwith number one, this young guy
who's kind of all talk has nothad you know anything, but very
few people will actually be like, hey, I believe in what you're
(36:03):
doing, we're gonna support youthrough it and you know, we're
gonna do what we can to help you, you know, make your vision
come to fruition.
So, yeah, I just want to saythank you to you guys, because
there's a very few people thatyou know would, I guess, believe
in an idea from this youngcollege kid that's like in his
dorm room with his roommatescoming in and out of his room.
Karen (36:24):
So, yeah, yeah, there man , you were, like you were really
impressive.
I couldn't believe that.
I mean just the I don't know.
John (36:33):
It's like I want to say it's, it's a I Fearless, like
just fearless, it's a fashion,and it's clearly not about
trying to get rich, and you know, that's kind of where we are
too.
It's like this is sport we love.
We want to make it even better,and if that means.
Exposing it to more people or,however, branding it better or
just giving more opportunity.
(36:53):
And I think that's great whatyou're doing, because you could
tell I mean, heck, we saw Allthese kids start showing up on
the courts and our local courts,high schools, high schools are
gonna be.
Next.
They're gonna have high schoolnational championships.
Oh yeah, I figure.
I mean, these kids areunbelievable out there.
So I think you're you're on theright track, man.
It's great to be Along for partof the ride and, and honestly,
(37:14):
I can tell you I know you've hadmaybe got crossways with a few
people who are sending you nastyletters and all that, but we
found some great partners inthis, this industry as well,
that Are just.
There's some really good peoplein pickleball industry too who
are in it because they love it,and we're gonna be Happy to
connect you with those folks too, because you just never know,
it takes a village to make thisthing run and it's um, you know
(37:36):
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Would you look rather peoplereach out to you on Instagram.
How do you, how is it best forpeople to get to you?
Do they go to the website?
Noah (38:16):
I Say, yeah, website is.
I mean, if they want to reachme, all the info is on the
website.
But my email, that's theeasiest way.
Yeah, register everything that,all the info on the events, how
you register Contact info,social media, all of it's on our
website.
So that's kind of our, our baby.
(38:36):
So, yeah, when all all thosefails, the website you'll.
You'll find the answers youneed on like who we are, contact
info, all of that.
Karen (38:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we're excited to have youin Texas here in a couple weeks
and I'm John and I plan to.
I think we're gonna play andhelp you run, but I can do both
Love it.
But I, yeah, if I'm gonna bethere, I must play, I must must
see if it's.
Yeah, I mean it's tough to.
Noah (39:08):
It's tough to resist.
Yeah, I want you guys, I wantyou guys to win.
That'd be awesome.
But yeah, I mean definitelyexcited to go to go to Texas.
Obviously this will be ourfirst event in Texas, so it'll
be reoccurring at in.
So, yeah, excited that you guysare gonna be part of the very
first one.
John (39:25):
So I can't tell you how cool it is that my, my alma
mater would be decided.
Is that's pretty, that's justserendipitous.
Have you ever have you?
Noah (39:32):
ever been there.
John (39:33):
Have you ever visited a nm ?
Noah (39:34):
Yeah, so it's been a while , it's been like five years, but
this is when I was considering,you know, schools to go play
soccer at and everything.
But yeah, beautiful campus,love it.
John (39:45):
It's just a?
It's monster.
It's just a monster.
It is yeah so no that'll begreat.
It'll be a great venue for itand we're looking forward to it,
man.
Karen (39:53):
You know what?
Let me ask you a question, onequestion, sorry.
Is this soccer have?
Do they have inner mixed playand soccer?
Noah (40:04):
So that's the thing.
It's like same with basketballor stuff like that.
There really isn't like there'syeah, oh, ed, type, like you
could play indoor leagues.
It's just it's so differentbecause guys tend like,
especially with you know, soccer, they tend to be faster.
And there's also the you knowguys don't want to like hurt the
(40:27):
girl, so it's just they don'tplay at their top level girl.
I guess it's just it's fun todo it.
But when it's you know a youknow organized tournament and a
competition, it's it'd be toughto merge the two.
Yeah, well, again, appreciateyou guys getting on board of
this.
I mean, yeah, it's Should be,should be really fun event.
(40:51):
But the cause as well, that's,that's what we're in it for
raising money for these collegekids.
So, yeah, glad you guys are infor the red.
John (40:58):
Yeah, man, yeah, enjoy, enjoy the weekend out there and
beautiful San Diego, and we willtalk to you again soon.
Big hey, that sounds good, Iappreciate it.
It also caught the the the attention of our friends at the
NCAA because they are trying toclaim some sort of name
infringement or that actuallythe quote cause you're real
popular in papers.
In September there was likefour in a row all with the same,
pretty much same article in CIAthreatening to sue local
pickleball promoter over theorganization.
(00:22):
And the best code of all of itfrom the NCAA, from them, or
maybe it was their attorney, butthe closeness of the names is
likely to cause confusion andharm the public.
I mean you.
You might actually harm thepublic.
Noah (00:36):
Well, they also said it was unfair competition and I was
like I haven't even held anevent at this point, Like Hello
pickleheads, welcome back.
John (00:46):
Episode four, season one, blazing paddles.
Today, our guest is NoahSumnick.
He is the founder of the NCPA,the National Collegiate
Pickleball Association.
This guy's got a great story.
He's a kid, still really 22,just graduated from college and
he has big plans for pickleballin the college space.
(01:06):
You're going to hear some ofthe challenges he's already
overcome and we've got sometournaments upcoming here, one
of which is going to be in myalma mater, texas A&M, december
2nd and 3rd.
He's going to have a hugetournament down there.
So put your ears on and listen.
Saddle up, you'll be glad youdid.
It's unique.
(01:31):
Um, I was trying to recall howlong ago it was that we
connected it.
It was.
It was it a year.
Noah (01:39):
It's been a while it's been over six months for sure
but yeah, lots, lots happenedsince then.
John (01:44):
Man, uh, I think you reached out on Instagram.
Uh, you're at.
At the time it was Point Loma,your pickleball club.
Um, we're like, yeah, sure,that'd be awesome, let's connect
, cause you know we do makeshirts and jerseys and things
like that.
And it turned out you had ummuch bigger aspirations than
just a little club.
Noah (02:01):
um, over your school.
John (02:02):
Um, now for people who don't know, the name of the
organization that you created isnational collegiate pickleball
association, the NCPA, andthat's been a real popular
choice, hadn't it?
Noah (02:14):
Yeah, it has.
There's a it's turned someheads for sure Couple, couple of
big guys in the industry.
But, um, yeah, I mean whendeciding the name it was just
simply.
You know it's like go big or gohome If you want to.
You know we want to be, youknow, the overarching college
pickleball um league, right, soum at that point you can't have
(02:38):
a name like you know, uh,college pickleball league.
you know of, um, like you got ayeah, so we, we landed on
national collegiate pickleballassociation and um, yeah, it was
uh, yeah, we're definitelyhappy with the choice but Trying
to, not really trying to dateyou or anything, but are you 23,
24?
John (02:57):
How old are you now?
Noah (02:58):
I'm 22.
22.
Okay, not trying to date you.
John (03:03):
Trying to date myself.
Uh, yeah, be my child for sure.
But 22 years old you startedthe club, um, and I guess the
club started off really quickly,quicker than maybe you expected
, and then you had these, theseaspirations to do some stuff.
I know that.
Tell me about like the firsttournament you put together,
because I know your first onewas mainly just colleges in the
area right there in San Diego,right.
Noah (03:25):
Correct.
Yeah, um, so when I started theclub at point Loma a while back
it was probably two years ago,um, it was very much.
It was just SDSU, usd,obviously, point Loma, ucsd, um,
and we got, you know, a lot ofinterest with those ones.
So we kind of word got aroundto like a couple of schools in
(03:46):
Arizona like hey, what's goingon with this?
Saw, you know, SCSU post this,um, and it kind of expanded from
there.
So, um, yeah, honestly did notexpect to, I guess, be on this
trajectory and like have thesegoals that we have um now, but,
um, yeah, I mean couldn't,wouldn't have it any other way
(04:07):
for sure.
Karen (04:08):
So Well, let's go back a little bit, cause I mean, you're
22, you're playing pickleball,and and what?
A couple of years ago, theaverage age of a pickleballer
was 65, maybe Great.
Noah (04:20):
Yeah.
Karen (04:22):
And so our son uh, we have a 22 year old and they, you
know they play, but I mean itsounds like it hit you guys.
It seems like it's just hitting.
The wave is just hitting thispart of the country now.
So how did you get involved inpickleball?
Did you play tennis?
Noah (04:38):
So no, I'm a soccer guy.
So, um, I played, my mom playedtennis.
I played a little bit here andthere, but nothing crazy.
Um, yeah, I first started afterCOVID hit that's I think that's
the story with a lot of people,but now much to do, we're stuck
inside.
My friend was like, hey, let'sgo play some pickleball.
I was like what the heck isthat?
(04:59):
And then, um, that that was theuh, the origin story of of
pickleball for me.
Karen (05:05):
So so you just started playing, and then I mean what it
grew?
I mean that was one friend.
And then I mean did it?
Was it a college thing?
What so?
Noah (05:13):
um, this was just my buddy from high school.
So, um, we were back, we'restuck in our houses.
So he was like, let's go play.
And then, um, after we wereallowed back into um, just to
move back into our dorm rooms,uh, I was like, dang, I, I got
addicted to pickleball.
I really love it.
I really love it, why not bringpickleball to Point Loma?
(05:36):
So, uh, made the club and it,honestly, the start, the first
year was horrible because no oneshowed up.
We were definitely before the,you know the, the surge of
pickleball and the younger, um,the younger age groups.
But second year, which was lastyear, it blew up.
We had, um, it went from like10 people to a hundred people,
(05:58):
um, every Sunday and it was just, yeah, definitely a huge
difference from the year prior,but, um, I just love because it,
you know, pickleball bringspeople together and and we
became the biggest club at PointLoma in the matter of one year.
So, um, yeah, it was, it wascool to see, see that growth.
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Assume it.
Reminding people of the name iscause I know the name you said.
(06:39):
It caught the attention of afew people in the industry.
It also caught the the, theattention of our friends at the
NCAA, because they are uh tryingto claim some sort of name
infringement or that actuallythe quote cause.
You were real popular in uhpapers in September.
There was like four in a rowall with the same, pretty much
same article in CAA threateningto sue local pickleball promoter
(07:00):
over the organization.
And the best code of all of it,from the NCAA, from, uh, them,
or maybe it was their attorney,but the closeness of the names
is likely to cause confusion andharm the public.
I mean you.
You might actually harm thepublic.
Noah (07:17):
Well, they also said it was unfair competition and I was
like I haven't even held anevent at this point, like it's
just, it was, it's crazy.
Like, um, I mean, biggest thingis you know when, cause, we got
the um, we got the letter.
My attorney was like hey, we've, uh, I've, got something for
you.
It's not the best news.
And I was like, oh my God, likecause, I played division two
(07:40):
soccer and um, I played like inthese NCAA tournaments and I was
like, whoa, how, how are theseguys, like you know, sending the
cease and desist and everything?
Um, so, yeah, once it, once theword got out, it turned to a
positive note.
Um, obviously, because, likeword spread, we it honestly gave
(08:00):
us credibility as well, justbecause you know we are trying
to be Be something bigger thanjust like a small little, you
know, tournament organized.
We went from just me to 10people on our team.
Yeah, it's just.
It turned around to be good.
Obviously, the saying All pressis good press.
So that that I definitelylearned first saying which is
(08:22):
great.
But yeah, yeah, you got it'sfunny, man.
John (08:26):
I saw this one article.
It went from San Diego Uniontrip to the Point Loma, I Guess,
the obi monthly, the Sporticoto tech dirt, all talking about
the same thing and and, quitehonestly, most of the article
seemed to have the same kind oftone.
Is that, you know, really, inCAA, this is really, you know,
something that does causing youangst.
It, and I think we all knowit's about.
(08:48):
They probably say, hey, this,this is gonna be where they, if
they don't recognize how huge itis I'm certainly do now but
it's money there's, it's a mightbe a money grab or a property
grab, because they know everycollege in America is gonna have
this for on campus.
Noah (09:04):
Exactly.
Yeah, I mean, that's why I meanpickleball just in general.
Outside of college there are somany little like tournament
organizers or Brands popping up.
Everyone's trying to get youknow a piece of of pickleball.
And it's, you know, eventually,over time it's going to you
know not dilute, but it's gonnaconcentrate into the like a soul
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, soul forces for brands orStuff like that.
So, yeah, we're definitely inthe Wild West for pickleball.
It's, it's been crazy, but yeah, I mean, that just goes to show
you the I guess wherepickleball can be.
So that's, that's the cool part.
John (09:47):
Yeah, we saw that here and I we found out in a couple ways
people aren't as interested inthe professional pickleball as
they will be, I'm sure, becauseonce you watch it at that level
it's just whoa, it's amazing.
But when the MLP you know,major league pickleball and the
professional pickleballAssociation, ppa, when they were
At odds and all of a suddenlooked like they were not gonna
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merge, pitting war, going out,going back and forth, that's
when you really saw oh man, thisthing is.
Now it's like you said, it isthe Wild West and people are
trying to stake some claims andtrying to consolidate.
And it's really hard right nowbecause, I mean, we're another
example, we're a little brand,we're trying to make our mark
out there.
I mean, we're not trying to ownthe world or anything, but
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there might have been two whenwe started.
Now there's 200.
Noah (10:33):
So it's it's a good question.
Um, I mean, biggest thing withpickleball which is why it's so
big is just the fact that I meananyone can pick up a paddle and
play.
Like you can be a 15 year oldkid playing with a 75 year old
and still have a great time likethat.
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That's the beauty of the sport.
So, yeah, biggest thing, likewith kind of how we've
structured the business, like werun college and community
events, our biggest thing wewant to bring people together.
We are college specific but, um, yeah, we, I mean it's
pickleball.
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It's the beautiful game,pickleball, everyone can play it
.
So, yeah, we try to pretty muchbring as many people together
as possible, whether that'ssponsors, businesses, players of
all ages.
Like, yeah, it's a cool spot tobe it for sure.
Karen (11:29):
So you've got 10 people on your team like who are, who
are they?
Are they?
Noah (11:34):
We have.
I got four of my buddies fromcollege that are working with me
took a lot of convincing.
They're like I do it, I don'tknow.
And then they saw kind of youknow, just pickleball as a whole
.
But then what we were trying tobuild and our space
specifically, they were likelet's do this, there's something
here.
And then we've got graphicdesigners, social media manager,
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we've got somebody workingsponsorships that's vague in the
football world.
So, um, yeah, got a a verystrong team of people that just
kind of believe in what we'redoing, in the vision and the
story and everything.
And a big thing for us like aLot of what's happening in
pickleball.
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People are just trying to likeget in on it.
There's because there's moneyin it, right, a big thing about
us, for us, specifically, thecollege space.
It's.
It's a.
It's pretty untouched given the.
Obviously, college is verydelayed comparative to, you know
, all other age demographics.
So when we look at college, alot of these kids meet just
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having graduated college.
We don't have any money.
Like it's a, it's a tough gigto, you know, fly out across the
nation To a tournament or flyor drive 10 hours To a regional.
It's a lot.
So a lot of what we do.
We raise money for these kidsto help fly them out, to just
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fund their travel, to make surethat they can, you know, because
for a college kid there's fouryears, right, there's only four
years that they have in college.
And, you know, for the juniorsand seniors it's, you know, it's
either now or never for them,and me just having missed it by
a year, I wish someone had, kindof, you know, been able to pave
the way for the top players atPoint Loma to come out to an
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event and have over 50 collegescome together like that.
That, to me, is just soexciting and because I couldn't,
you know, I couldn't get that,I wanted to give that to, you
know, these other colleges.
Karen (13:35):
So I we're very well aware of how broke our kids are
in college.
Noah (13:41):
Yeah, it's, it's a tough gig.
Karen (13:44):
I mean it's great that you're offering some help in
that way, and you're right.
I mean, and pickleball there,it's not organized by these, by
colleges, yet right, we don't,they're mostly rec, and I mean,
eventually it'll get there, butin the meantime, let's not miss
out on the opportunity,especially since I can only
imagine as I mean John and I'vebeen playing for years our kids
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won't pick up a paddle and getout there after you know, they
haven't picked up a paddle insix, eight months and still give
us a run for our money.
Noah (14:13):
I'm like.
Karen (14:14):
So I'm excited to see the you know this age group getting
into pickleball and see what itdoes to the sport.
Noah (14:23):
Yeah, I mean once, once there's an organized kind of,
especially with, like, juniorsand college kids, like they're
going to be there, the future ofpickleball.
So once that youngerdemographic buys in, it's going
to you know, it's going toexplode even more.
So, yeah, that's definitelywhat we're trying to do for the
growth of the sport specifically.
John (14:43):
Well, and I know that for your vision you kind of had your
first real proof of concepthere recently with the
tournament that you just hosteda pretty big one.
Yeah go, and who was involvedin that?
Where was that one?
So?
Noah (14:57):
yeah, this is our first organized NCP event.
This was in California, sanDiego, specifically at the hub.
So, yeah, we had about 180players playing in these, you
know, 12 different, 12 differentbrackets over Saturday and,
yeah, I mean, we, given it wasour first event, we were very
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trying to set our expectationslow, because this is our first
time actually, like running anorganized tournament and
everything new, using oursoftware pickleball then that
we're using and it turned outvery like.
It went a lot better than weexpected.
A lot of positive feedback.
Yeah, biggest thing for us,like we now have proof of
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concept, we have content whereit's not just words that we're
kind of saying like we'veactually said, hey, we've run
this event and we also ran it atthe hub, which is where our
March Nationals is going to be.
So, yeah, it gives us a littlebit more of that credibility to
people that are like whoa, whoa,whoa, like who's the NCP, like
who are these guys?
So, yeah, all in all, it was asuccess for sure.
John (16:08):
Well, and the reason that we're kind of excited to be in
here in Texas and be being a anA&M grad Texas A&M grad you have
another tournament coming up onDecember 2nd and 3rd.
Noah (16:18):
That's correct, yeah, so yeah, we're going to Texas A&M,
we're going to be playing there.
They've got 28 courts, yeah,that one.
So yeah, with these events,college and community.
So we've got obviously A&M, tcu, baylor, ut and just trying to
get out, you know, at leastthree or four of those colleges
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all to come together.
Yeah, we again it's like wewant to have it be, and this,
this is a fundraiser for fundingthese players.
So, pretty much like, run theevent the same way we would any
other events professionally runit's, you know, solid people get
a minimum of four games, butyou know, a player going in
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that's outside of college, like,okay, I'm playing in this event
getting a minimum of four gamesin a single bracket and my
money's going somewhere.
So it's a properly run eventand my money's actually going
back to, you know, my hometown,my school.
So yeah, it's like an allencapsulating kind of, I guess,
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business model that we kind ofhave with these tournaments.
So, yeah, very excited for itthough.
John (17:29):
So you're going to have and just so clarify, because
we're going to be helping youpromote this thing.
Obviously this is for students,this is for alumni, this is for
people just in the communitywho might be in that community
and who support the school.
I mean, there's a lot of peoplein college station, for
instance, who love A&M but theydidn't attend A&M so they would
love to do it.
So is sign up?
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Is everybody eligible?
Just want to clarify who'seligible.
Noah (17:53):
Yes, so everyone's eligible.
So, because we're raising moneyfor the college kids, so it's a
$45 per bracket.
The biggest thing is for thecollege kids.
They like, if I were playing,I'm a college kid at A&M, I can
play in men's doubles, mixeddoubles, men's singles, so for
all of those it's just $45.
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And then for the communitycoming in, that's when it's $45
a piece.
You don't have to be an alumniof these schools.
It's pretty much open to thepublic and, yeah, biggest thing,
we're just bringing peopletogether, open to everyone.
John (18:29):
And how many people are you hoping to get there?
I know that you've got.
You do dream big, so what's thenumber?
Noah (18:36):
So the number we want to be conservative.
So we're hoping to fill over200 bracket spots with a minimum
of 100 different players.
John (18:47):
Are you going to play?
Are you going to try to play aswell?
Noah (18:50):
That's a good question.
I mean, california was verytempting the event last week.
Yeah, I haven't decided becauseobviously we want the
tournaments to be run smoothly.
So I've got one of my buddiescoming down to help me run it.
I'm going to say I got to fightthe temptation and say I'm not
going to be playing because Iwant to make sure everything's
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run smoothly.
But yeah, I will be supportingfrom the side cheering people on
.
John (19:18):
What kind of what level do you think you are?
Do you keep a deeper score orhave a rating?
Noah (19:25):
I would self rate myself.
I have not played in atournament, but I'd probably be
a 4-0, I think I just I meanthat's, yeah, I don't play
consistently enough to you know,because some, some days, I'm a
3-5.
I'm not I'm like average, notgreat, I'm like, wow, I could go
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pro.
This is crazy, but that doesn'thappen often.
Karen (19:50):
But I mean, yeah, consistency is key with like
everything, and I have noconsistency with pickleball, so
yeah, Well, that's the big thingthat we're seeing right now,
because you know, we've got thePPA going on here in our
backyard right now, and thenlast week it was the MLP, but
boy.
And then our October fest.
We had a couple of pros comeout and that was the different.
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The pros played the top playersin our league or in our club.
Sorry, and it's just.
That was the one difference.
Is that consistency?
It's unreal to watch.
I tried it this morning.
I was like, okay, I'm tryingsome of the little tricks that I
learned from watching the pros.
I looked pretty much like a proyeah.
Noah (20:34):
I love it.
Yeah Well, it's crazy.
Like when I watch some of thesepros, it's just every shot is
perfect and, like some of these,some of these rallies will go
on for, you know, over a minutestraight and they're just
perfectly hitting back.
It's like it's crazy.
The amount of patience that youneed to play pickleball is
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pretty crazy, but that's what.
Karen (21:00):
I'm saying it's going to be changed.
I think a lot.
You know, I'm watching theplayers yesterday and some of
the more, I guess, well knownpros playing, some that I didn't
recognize a little bit younger.
It's going to change the gamequite a bit.
Noah (21:19):
Yeah yeah, there's a lot of younger, younger pros getting
signed and everything.
So I mean it's cool to see likethis is just the beginning
phases of kind of wherepickleball could go.
John (21:29):
Yeah, are you?
Have you played in an MLPformat yet with the team format?
Noah (21:36):
I have not.
I've seen events obviously Runlike it.
Yeah, it's, it's interestingbecause there's so many
different ways to run an event.
We personally do Pull play intosingle elimination.
I think With the MOP formatit's like I like the, I guess,
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emphasis on team and, like youknow, both men and women come
together and like their completescore happens.
So I really like that aspect.
But I think it's very importantto have like mixed games but
also separate the two.
So like with our, our MarchNationals, we're gonna be having
men's, women's mixed but thenhaving also we want to make sure
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it's separate.
So separate awards for men's,the best college, separate for
women's.
I think that's very important,which, because with pickleball
it's kind of an unorthodox sportin the sense of you know, when
you look at other sports there'snot really, like you know, mix
going on.
Yeah, so it's interesting to see.
But I'm not opposed to that, Ilike it.
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I just think it's having bothis pretty cool.
Karen (22:51):
You know, it's the one sport to that I think we're
almost.
The females are more excitingto watch than the men.
John (23:03):
I mean, I mean yeah.
Karen (23:05):
I mean in ten in Pickleball it's so fast, and
then, and then the cool thing isthat you, you know, I guess,
well, I guess that would be thesame for tennis.
I don't know I never reallylike tennis as much as I like
pickleball, so it's more, morefun.
Noah (23:20):
Wait, cuz you can see yourself, because in tennis,
like a lot more movement, it's alot harder, so a lot more
people can look at pickleballand visualize themselves on the
court being like I can do that.
So like, I think that's what'sexciting too, because people
they watch it, they get inspired, they're like I can physically.
You know, it's possible that Ican do this.
(23:40):
Yeah, I'm gonna go, I'm gonnago play tomorrow morning.
So, yeah, that's the cool part,it's people are.
You know.
I think that's why it's sopopular To people can visualize
themselves watching these pros.
Karen (23:52):
Yeah, you know.
Have you ever recorded a game?
You're playing a game of mice.
Noah (23:59):
I don't have the confidence for that yet.
I need to.
I need a dial in and then I'llanalyze my gameplay.
Karen (24:05):
But let me tell you something like it's so funny
because we've done that?
Because to kind of go back andsee who was right about like
court positioning or who shouldhave taken it.
I whatever you know, just so wecan get better right and.
I swear, when I'm playing Ilook like Anna Lee and John is
Ben Johns, and then you watchyour own video and you're like
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it looks so much more athleticwhen I was.
Noah (24:33):
Yeah, yeah like I would, because I would watch Soccer
clips and in my head I'm like,wow, I just feel like I'm so
good.
But then I see myself like that.
I just I get.
So I just get kind of cringedout sometimes I'm like, dude,
what are you doing?
Like, why do you look like that?
But I Mean that that's part ofthe growth.
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You got to put yourself and yougot to judge yourself so you
can grow.
So, man, let me tell you.
John (25:00):
Two weeks ago Our club held their first MLP style
tournament call is gonna be anannual thing and there was what?
112, 12 teams, mm-hmm.
We draft, you did a draft andthe whole thing.
So it's really well run andwell Thought of.
But I got drafted onto a team.
Karen was an alternate and sheended up getting to play too.
But let's talk about what thesepros are dealing with.
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We're out there with friendliesI mean, these are people we
know we play with all the timebut all of a sudden you know you
have people watching you andthere's a crowd and people are
filming you and I swear to God,you would have thought I mean I
had cotton mouth.
I mean Karen was like, hadthese Now?
Then where's this?
Like?
Oh my god, what are we doing?
people, have a take a time outand deep breathe.
It's like man.
What is going on?
Noah (25:42):
because it was so nerve-wracking when you're out
there is but you got to do it.
John (25:47):
Like you said, push yourself and grow, because next
time I won't be nearest nervous,but I'll still be nervous.
Karen (25:52):
It was crazy, yeah, but I'm sure for kids it's a little
bit different to you.
You don't have all of theinsecurities that we bring to
the table yet.
Noah (26:01):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's.
I think just Like like you'resaying, john, just anyone
watching, when you know in theback of your head like I'm
getting recorded, like If I messup it's on, like someone has it
on their phone, I guess it'sscary.
I think that's for anyone.
It's just like you don't wantto mess up, like I want to look
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really good when I play.
So yeah, I mean it's, it'snerve-wracking for sure.
John (26:26):
We have a nice little clip of Karen in the middle of a
match where she and her partnerkind of ran into each other.
She's on the ground and insteadof you know doing anything
picking up her paddle, she hitsit back with her hand.
Karen (26:37):
I hit.
I hit the.
I hit an overhead and then mypaddle fell.
So he's and he's at the sametime.
He's coming over to get theshot and I'm reaching down to
pick up the paddle.
The ball comes, so I just hitit with my hand.
Noah (26:53):
I mean, that's all you can do.
Karen (26:55):
Like I was like not gonna give up.
I was like I'll hit it with theright, gonna hit it with.
Yeah, I was.
That was pretty good.
John (27:01):
Yeah but I can see you know, before we were like pretty
much strictly PPA.
Like I love same kind of thing.
You grow up watching tennis andall that MLP really does is
bring a neat little break in aschedule To and I think, like
you said, separate the two,maybe have an MLP event once or
twice a year, but everythingelse kind of PPA, I think it's
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just.
It kind of gives you a chancefor teamwork in a sport that
doesn't really have a lot ofteamwork.
You know it's the individualhonest.
Karen (27:30):
Well, it would be fun to have school, you know?
I mean, your school is yourteam, so you pick right come to
the top four, right top four toptwo, two, you know eight, eight
players, or something like that.
Yeah, I don't know it's, it'swe were huge fans of just pick
up all the way it was, until wedid this MLP tournament.
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We're like, wow, this is a coolway to to run things as well.
I really did one people togethertoo, I mean John's good little
little four.
Some they were the completeunderdogs.
It was hilarious because theywere.
I think John was the tallestone by a whole head.
And I'm not tall, and and andthe team that he had to play
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against in the finals was it wasthe.
The Shortest girl was John'sheight.
John (28:21):
It was lovely, a David versus yeah we won silver, so we
were, we were thrilled we gotthere.
Noah (28:27):
That's awesome.
John (28:27):
And that was the most nerve-wracking experience of my
life, because there was only twoteams left and we have to go
out there and we're thinkingwe're gonna get humiliated and
it's all being live-streamedright now.
Karen (28:39):
Let me ask you this no, okay, yeah, so serve wise like.
Are you a conservative serveror you just like want to smash
it?
Oh?
Noah (28:47):
Mmm that's that's a good question.
So I started off in my careeras a pickle baller.
I Would slam it as hard as Icould 50% of the time it go in,
50% it wouldn't, but the timesit went in usually we would get
the point and like to me that'sa free point.
So Pretty much I got to thepoint where you know people can
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now return.
You know more than half ofthose serves.
So if I'm hitting half into thenet like Probability wise, it's
just it's just not worth it atthat point.
So I've kind of let off let offthe gas a little bit and tried
to be more in control.
But yeah, I mean I still, Ilove just smashing it, because
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when it goes in all hits, wow,that's very rare.
So, yeah, there's a goodbalance.
Karen (29:39):
But Well, they're saying, you know that, that because the
server is becoming a weapon,they that's not pickable, and so
they're there.
There's consideration,apparently, from Going to just
drop shots, so you have tobounce, bounce the ball before
you serve, which I think isinteresting, you know.
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But like to your point, likeit's my game.
John (30:09):
Yeah, one of our buddies is guy.
I mean, he serves ball, derekif you, I know you're listening.
He serves so hard he gruntsafter every serve.
Karen (30:16):
Oh, his whole body is like flying in the air.
John (30:19):
And if, he hits it, I mean you're not gonna return it, but
it's just.
Karen (30:23):
That's oh, I can return every one of them.
John (30:26):
I'm like yes so they were saying that the the intent of
pickleball and I think I heardthis on, there's a great,
there's a really good podcastcalled king of the court, if
we're talking about otherPickleball podcast and the
intent was never for the serverto be a weapon and so that's why
they outlawed like what was it,spencer?
The?
Chainsaw all the stuff becauseit's a whiffle ball and a lot of
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guys who especially have pingpong backgrounds.
You can make that ball move,man.
You can do some funky stuffwith it.
So, I I do a backhand spin serveand Does alright, mess with
people a little bit, but but I Igave up trying to just smash,
serve it for the very reasonyou're saying, because I just
can't consistently put it in, ifyou, if you.
Karen (31:10):
If the ball goes out, yeah, it's over, right, so you.
Or because of the net it's over?
John (31:14):
Well, yeah, you learn that MLP not only do you, that's a
point, I mean MLP rally scoring.
You serve in the net.
You just lost a point.
It's not even like you justright next server.
Karen (31:23):
So brutal.
Exactly what's your favoriteshot, oh.
John (31:29):
Probably that, so I.
Noah (31:31):
Yeah, I mean I will say I would say the service probably
the best.
But outside of the serve, Ilove it's the Driving it down
the line.
So like I'm on the right side,I just drive it down the line
because it's it's a tough shotto hit.
Not a lot of people kind of seeit and usually people are
Right-handed so if they're onthe left side they got to put
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their arm all the way across.
So, yeah, a lot of tactics withwith that, but, um, yeah, I
would say that's probably thefavorite, your favorite.
Karen (32:02):
Yeah, they say that's a low percentage shot.
But if you can perfect it likeit sounds like you can place the
ball pretty well, then it's a.
It's a great Tool to exactly.
Yeah, as a go-to.
I no one cannot.
I'm not that accurate.
It's a very low percentage shotfor me.
Can I do it sometimesabsolutely?
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But you know, I think withpick-a-ball it's about layering.
Like you know you're you'relaying on, layering on skills,
and so like you can't just layeron a whole bunch at one time
and do well at them.
So in time I'm sure that I'llI'll become more consistent with
it, because because I'll tellyou some of the angles that the
tennis players have yeah inthere, in there, arsenal.
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It I did not have, but now I'mstarting to pick it up and it's
just yeah, it's just like addinga little layer at a time,
that's what 20, I think thepickleball will do for you.
John (33:00):
Hey, don't throw stones Now we alluded to this a couple
times to I don't want to makesure we give this a little
Sunshine.
Twos this Nationals.
You've talked about yournational championship that
you're playing it from March.
Is that gonna be back in PointLoma?
Noah (33:17):
So this is going to be where we had the, our last
events.
So this is at the hub.
So, yeah, that's Quick summaryof it.
We've got 52 colleges comingout all around the nation
Incredible, yeah, we're sominimum.
We're having 208 players out,that's four per college.
We're inviting a maximum ofeight, so two teams can be
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represented, two men, two women.
Yeah, so we, the way we do, wekind of have like a mixed.
It's that like pool play typeformat, because I'm soccer guy,
world Cup big, big fan,obviously, as most of the world
is, but I Think it's it's areally cool Kind of format to
implement.
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And then at the end we have thetop four colleges pulling that
team-style format.
So, yeah, but getting on anational broadcast as well.
I'm finalizing an exclusivedeal with either CBS, espn or
fight TV.
And then, yeah, we're, we'reexcited for it.
I mean, there's been, this hasbeen being pulled, this has been
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Planned for the past, you know,I'd say like over eight months,
so a lot of time has been putinto this, but, yeah, it's
finally come to fruition.
We're getting colleges toFinalize their flights, sign up
their top two men, two women.
So, yeah, we're definitelyexcited for it.
Karen (34:43):
You know what, noah, I mean.
When we met you I don't evenknow when it was, do it would
you say, a year ago.
Noah (34:50):
I mean you were in your dorm.
Karen (34:51):
I think great.
Noah (34:53):
Yeah.
Karen (34:54):
But the very first conversation I ever do, I was
like this kid is like he'sincredible, you've got.
You've got energy, you've gotyour passion, your, your
fearless, you're.
You've taken, you know, lawyersor letter, whatever you're like
you're fearless.
I love that about you.
I love it that you're pouringit all into my favorite sport,
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pickleball.
But I mean I appreciate that.
I love, I've really enjoyedgetting to know you over however
many months.
This has been because and andthat's why you've got our
support and whatever we can doto help you because I Love
somebody who, just who sees anopportunity, he sees in a gap
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and just says you know, I wantto fill that gap and I'm gonna
make this thing happen, nomatter what, and that's that's
what you've demonstrated to us.
Noah (35:42):
So yeah, I appreciate that .
I mean, and I will say To youguys, there there's very few
people that Will kind of getwith number one, this young guy
who's kind of all talk has nothad you know anything, but very
few people will actually be like, hey, I believe in what you're
(36:03):
doing, we're gonna support youthrough it and you know, we're
gonna do what we can to help you, you know, make your vision
come to fruition.
So, yeah, I just want to saythank you to you guys, because
there's a very few people thatyou know would, I guess, believe
in an idea from this youngcollege kid that's like in his
dorm room with his roommatescoming in and out of his room.
Karen (36:24):
So, yeah, yeah, there man , you were, like you were really
impressive.
I couldn't believe that.
I mean just the I don't know.
John (36:33):
It's like I want to say it's, it's a I Fearless, like
just fearless, it's a fashion,and it's clearly not about
trying to get rich, and you know, that's kind of where we are
too.
It's like this is sport we love.
We want to make it even better,and if that means.
Exposing it to more people or,however, branding it better or
just giving more opportunity.
(36:53):
And I think that's great whatyou're doing, because you could
tell I mean, heck, we saw Allthese kids start showing up on
the courts and our local courts,high schools, high schools are
gonna be.
Next.
They're gonna have high schoolnational championships.
Oh yeah, I figure.
I mean, these kids areunbelievable out there.
So I think you're you're on theright track, man.
It's great to be Along for partof the ride and, and honestly,
(37:14):
I can tell you I know you've hadmaybe got crossways with a few
people who are sending you nastyletters and all that, but we
found some great partners inthis, this industry as well,
that Are just.
There's some really good peoplein pickleball industry too who
are in it because they love it,and we're gonna be Happy to
connect you with those folks too, because you just never know,
it takes a village to make thisthing run and it's um, you know
(37:36):
You've, you've got a great,you've got a great vision and
some of us can Surely put someof our weight behind.
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(37:57):
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Let's get back to the showwe're gonna put down.
Would you look rather peoplereach out to you on Instagram.
How do you, how is it best forpeople to get to you?
Do they go to the website?
Noah (38:16):
I Say, yeah, website is.
I mean, if they want to reachme, all the info is on the
website.
But my email, that's theeasiest way.
Yeah, register everything that,all the info on the events, how
you register Contact info,social media, all of it's on our
website.
So that's kind of our, our baby.
(38:36):
So, yeah, when all all thosefails, the website you'll.
You'll find the answers youneed on like who we are, contact
info, all of that.
Karen (38:47):
Yeah, yeah.
Well, we're excited to have youin Texas here in a couple weeks
and I'm John and I plan to.
I think we're gonna play andhelp you run, but I can do both
Love it.
But I, yeah, if I'm gonna bethere, I must play, I must must
see if it's.
Yeah, I mean it's tough to.
Noah (39:08):
It's tough to resist.
Yeah, I want you guys, I wantyou guys to win.
That'd be awesome.
But yeah, I mean definitelyexcited to go to go to Texas.
Obviously this will be ourfirst event in Texas, so it'll
be reoccurring at in.
So, yeah, excited that you guysare gonna be part of the very
first one.
John (39:25):
So I can't tell you how cool it is that my, my alma
mater would be decided.
Is that's pretty, that's justserendipitous.
Have you ever have you?
Noah (39:32):
ever been there.
John (39:33):
Have you ever visited a nm ?
Noah (39:34):
Yeah, so it's been a while , it's been like five years, but
this is when I was considering,you know, schools to go play
soccer at and everything.
But yeah, beautiful campus,love it.
John (39:45):
It's just a?
It's monster.
It's just a monster.
It is yeah so no that'll begreat.
It'll be a great venue for itand we're looking forward to it,
man.
Karen (39:53):
You know what?
Let me ask you a question, onequestion, sorry.
Is this soccer have?
Do they have inner mixed playand soccer?
Noah (40:04):
So that's the thing.
It's like same with basketballor stuff like that.
There really isn't like there'syeah, oh, ed, type, like you
could play indoor leagues.
It's just it's so differentbecause guys tend like,
especially with you know, soccer, they tend to be faster.
And there's also the you knowguys don't want to like hurt the
(40:27):
girl, so it's just they don'tplay at their top level girl.
I guess it's just it's fun todo it.
But when it's you know a youknow organized tournament and a
competition, it's it'd be toughto merge the two.
Yeah, well, again, appreciateyou guys getting on board of
this.
I mean, yeah, it's Should be,should be really fun event.
(40:51):
But the cause as well, that's,that's what we're in it for
raising money for these collegekids.
So, yeah, glad you guys are infor the red.
John (40:58):
Yeah, man, yeah, enjoy, enjoy the weekend out there and
beautiful San Diego, and we willtalk to you again soon.
Big hey, that sounds good, Iappreciate it.
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