The Great Retcon Debate: From Sins Past to Crisis on Infinite Earths

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Mal, Mal's in the building.
What's going on?
Mal?
Patrick Sheffield, what'sgoing on?

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Patrick, what's going on?
Bama's in the building.
Bama boobies.
I am here.
He never gets to actually hearme say boobies.
I am here.
But I, I, I, I aim to pleasethe fans.
But yes, all your nerdy newsthat you want to get, all your entertainment
I advice and such is happening here.

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It's hot, it's new, it's fresh.
And like I said, we held totake that edge off.
So edge off that the rest ofthe world just keeps wanting to pile
on.
So I need to know in thecomments section, for those who's
already here, how'severybody's week been going?
Because it's been, it's been abusy week.

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If you're not working yourregular 9 to 5, you're trying to
figure things out.
Bama, I know Bama is.
He's debating on doing a podcast.
Bama, you.
I've seen what you've been doing.
Do the podcast.
Do the podcast, my guy.
So go ahead and do do the thing.
Do the thing without what IOne of the things we do here on this

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platform is we encourage andI'm encouraging you to go ahead and
make that joke.
If you don't do it, somebodyelse will.
And.
And there's nothing worse thanhaving that feeling of that should
have, could have, would have situation.
Go ahead, start the show.
Do that thing.
Start that business.
Don't be afraid to take that leap.
That's one of those thingswhere, especially now, where there's

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no certainty in anything.
So you might as well dive intothe uncertainty of life.
It is what it is.
We'll be talking about acouple things tonight.
Waiting on the rest of thecrew to come through, but we'll be
talking about PeacemakerSeason 2, episode 3.
There was no new episode last night.
Okay.

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James Gunn has already statedthat episodes 6, 7, and 8 will not
be seen early by anyone due toa lot of spoilery stuff.
Ah, it's James Gunn.
You never know what this manis getting ready to to plan.

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They're giving us a weekbreak, it looks like.
Since nothing's been going on.
I know.
I've been watching Wednesday.
I have one more episode towatch from Wednesday and check that
out.
People are saying they're notreally liking the show.
Am I me?
I like it.
It's a nice vibe.
But see, here's the thingabout people in the the fickleness

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that people have when it comesto a lot of shows that's on streaming
services.
Shows or streaming serviceslike Net with Netflix prime, even
hbo, Max or Max or HBO orwhatever they want to be called during

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the week.
They take extremely longhiatuses from a lot of shows.
They, they take a lot ofhiatus, long hiatuses from a lot
of shows.
And actually, no, wait,today's Thursday, right?
So, no, we should get aPeacemaker show tonight, I think.

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Yeah, we should get aPeacemaker show tonight.
I'm thinking Yesterday wasthe, the new night show.
I was looking for it.
But yeah, they take these verylong breaks and it's really hard
for people to get back into them.
And that's part of the issue,I feel is part of the issue.
A lot of people, they getstuck and they don't know what to

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watch or they're moved on tosomething else.
And in case of some othershows, it's been so long that they've
just lost interest.
Patrick says, yeah, the Utahthing, yeah, it was something.
It was trying to get some Newson doomsday.
Like, look, Tafari TV says it best.
Leave us out of it.
We ain't celebrating no deathor anything like that.

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We're just saying if you putbad into the world, karma just has
a way.
That's all I'm saying.
Karma.
Karma has a way.
So it could be, it could be afickle thing.
It could be a fickle thing.
But yeah, the long breaksbetween streaming shows can be daunting,

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to the point.
Okay, perfect example.
Lost in Space, the, the newestversion of Lost in Space that was
on Netflix.
It, it had a pretty good run.
I think it went, I think itwent three seasons.
But by the time that finalseason came about, almost five years

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had almost passed.
Between three to four.
Between three to four yearshad almost gone by.
You pretty much forgot whathappened the previous season.
You have to re.
Watch it, at least re watchthe last two or three episodes of
the previous season to kind ofget an understanding of what happened.
And then by the time the newseason comes around and this is,

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and that's if you're invested,that's if you're still invested in
the show, by the time the newseason comes around, if you haven't
watched the final two or threeepisodes to kind of get a refresher
throws you off, you come in,you're lost, you don't know what's
going on.

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It's, it's, it's a dauntingthing and it's, it's weird.
It's weird.
And you know, Stranger Thingsis a prime example that they have
gone so long that, which,which was started off as a running
joke of by the time they getto the new season, these kids will
be an adult.

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These kids will be adults andcovet hit.
And sure enough, that wholething got put on hiatus for the longest
time.
And then when it came back bythe time restrictions were lifted
and everything else, you stillhad to re.
You had to coordinateeverybody's schedules.
You had to get everything back together.
And here we are, final seasoncoming in the fall and they're using

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there.
They, they're airing them asquote, unquote, movies.
The episodes are now like movies.
Think of it like Doctor who,even classic Doctor who.
They would air, they wouldhave short seasons, but they're short
seasons.
It would be like hour and ahalf the hour.

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The episodes would be like anhour and a half.
Yeah, Umbrella Academy prime,another prime example.
That was a long one that bythe time they came back, it was just
like, what, what's going on?
Like You.
You.
You're completely lost.
And.
And be honest with you, theyscrewed them on that last season.
That last season was not it.
It was not it.

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Yeah.
Ua.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
That's.
That.
That it did.
It took way too long forUmbrella Academy.
And like I said by the unknownabout what's going on, Tafari, he's
in the building.
Like, I'm talking about, like,some of the shows that take breaks

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in between the seasons and howlong it is that by the time the new
season shows up, you're eithercompletely confused, not invested,
or you have to go back andwatch like, the last.
The previous season's lasttwo, maybe three episodes just to
kind of get a refresher.

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Hey, look, stranger things.
I'm gonna need y' all to comeon down before the congregation because.
The.
Kids are all grown up, marriedor doing other projects now.
It might be hard to get them back.
Like, it's.
And it's.
That's the thing.
It's coming back this fall.
They got the lineup and everything.
But like he said, the girlthat played 11 is now 2122 and married.

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So.
And.
And she's.
I think she's the.
I think she's the only one inthat crew is another.
See, here's the thing.
Now, Patrick mentions Reacher.
Reacher's a little different.
I don't think they take aslong as a break with Reacher.
And not to mention, they'regetting ready to do a spin off of
that with his one partner, the female.

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I can't remember her nameright now, but they're doing a matter
of fact.
I think they're done shootingthat, shooting the spin off, and
they're probably.
And I think they're on to thenew season of Reacher.
But see, that's one of those things.
They don't space it out.
It's.
It's House of Dragons.
It's.
It's Game of Thrones.
It's Generation is GenerationV. It's the Boys.

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It's Stranger Things.
It Wednesday.
Like, even.
Even my little girl said it.
She was like, she's watching Wednesday.
She was like, wait, is thatthe same Pugsley?
Yeah, it is.
It's the same actor.
It's just.
He's.
He was a kid.
He hit a growth spurt.
That second TMNT movie, themkids are all gonna come back sounding

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like grown adults unless theyget a whole new cast.
Their voices were alreadycracking, like, mid movie, so.
Yeah, yeah, because they wereactual preteen slash teenagers in
the TMT TMNT movie, they Were.
So by the time they drop that,they're gonna.
They're gonna have severaloctaves dropped in their voice.

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It's crazy.
It's crazy.
I.
And.
And I'm sure you won't havethat problem with Blurred Station.
I'm just saying we have a.
An extensive lineup that'scontinually growing.
The library is growing.
Speaking.
Which if you check out Hillspawn Legacy now Hill spawn Legacy

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on either Tick Tock or ig.
Either one or.
Or Facebook.
We are now getting voice actors.
We're.
We're talking to a lot ofblack voice actors.
So look out for that.
If you are a black voice actorwith talent, not you've actually
done some voice work nottrying to get into the game, but

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because, you know, I knoweventually we'll get to that point.
But yeah, it's.
It does that.
It does.
Bama says I need to get backinto Reacher's good.
He said I need to get backinto Reacher and I might stop Alex
Cross.
Reacher's good.
Is that all in the same room?
Am I thinking of differentshows that are connected?

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That's a different show.
Cross.
Cross is a different show.
I mean, this is.
It's different universe.
Different universe.
Same network.
Different universe.
So, yeah, there was a series of.
Them based on, like, TomClancy books for a while, wasn't
there?
Oh, that's not Reacher.
That's.

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It.
Wasn't Jim from the Officelike the star one?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ah, what is the name of that?
Because Ben Affleck has playedthat character before.
I can't think of the name.
But yeah, I think they're donewith their.
Their latest season.
They just.
They don't air these thingslike they used to.

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And see, here's the thing.
People are wondering, like,about films and going straight to
streaming when the shortwindow and everything.
This is something thatHollywood was trying to do prior
to Covid.
They were already kind ofplaying with the idea of films going

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to straight video on demand.
So, like, you could, like,even though it was released in the
theaters this weekend, you.
You could still watch it onvideo on demand when that was still
a thing.
And Jack Ryan.
That's what it was.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Jack Ryan.
Okay.
That's what it was.
And so getting.
Getting those films goingstraight to the streaming networks,

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that was something that was going.
That was going to happen eventually.
They.
They all these major networksor major production companies.
This.
This was always going to happen.
It just coveted.
Gave it a kickstart.
What's going on, Christy?
Yeah, that covert just gave ita kickstart that's all.

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And it gave it like a covet.
Gave it like a 5 to 10 year kickstart.
What we got now, we wouldn't.
We wouldn't.
If covet hadn't happened, whatwe're dealing with now would have
come maybe five, 10 years downthe line, maybe five to seven.
So we were always gonna haveshort movie runs.

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It's like they're trying tocut out a middleman.
That's what.
As long as we're not doingthat 30 Disney+ pay for it directly
thing anymore because.
Well, no, y' all lost ScarlettJohansson over that one.
Yeah, that was.
I'm like, what is this?
I'm like, no, I'll just buythe Blu Ray.
Screw it, by the way, still.

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But they.
They're trying to phase outBlu Rays.
It's damn near impossible.
They're not.
They, they're still sellingBlu Rays.
They're just trying to cut back.
Who's selling Blu Rays right now?
Best Buy no longer selling Blu Rays.
And Best Buy hasn't seen me since.
Yeah, there's like, there's nothing.

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Matter of fact, that was thelast thing left, really.
Best Buy was Blu Rays becauseit's like, you don't want to go there
to grab any games, you know, so.
And.
And everything else is pricedway too high.
So, like.
Yeah, Blu Rays was.
There was their last bread and butter.

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And all of that's now at.
At Walmart.
All that stuff is at Walmart now.
Yep.
Streaming is killing the 26episode season.
It is it, it's, it's, it's.
It.
Decapped, kneecapped it.
Now you get like 6 to 12 oryou get 12 in two seasons, but it's

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the first season chopped into6 or it's 26, but the two seasons
are chopped into 13.
Like I'm pretty sure theseason of King of The Hill was 20
episodes.
They only took the first 10, though.
Yeah.
And still.
And still fiddling andfiddling with it.
In, in, in.
I hate it.
I hate it because when.
When you have a really goodshow and you get eight, 10 episodes.

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Eight to 10 episodes if you're lucky.
And then they.
And they're still taking adamn near a year and some change
after the season finale ofwhatever that is.
Nightmare fuel.
Hey, I might want to buywhatever DVD comes out for the season
of South Park.
They already pulling episodesand we're only four in, so.

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Wasn'T that supposed to be.
It was supposed to be arepeat, though.
I think it was supposed to bea Repeat.
Comedy Central said, we're notdoing that.
Paramount plus said, you oweus seven bucks if you wanted it.
I think, I think what it wasis like they were just like, yeah,
we might cross a line.
That's what it was.
It was like, oh, now you foundyour line.

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I need to cross the line.
Nobody even comes to you allfor specials anymore.
Netflix took all the comediansand your money.
That's it.
That's it.
Bama said like Britishtelevision, American TV is copying
that model.
Yes, they are.
How they.
That's how they.
Doctor who is going on what,60 year run?

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Yeah, close to 60 years.
I'll see.
Because I had a roommate whogot me into bridge tv.
He had me watching.
I don't think it was called Sherlock.
I think it was called Moriartywith Benedict Cumberbatch playing
it.
And he's like, yeah, everyepisode is like two hours long.
But they only.
Oh no, that was Sherlock.
Yeah, that's Sherlock.
What's it called?
Sure.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, he has like.
Every episode is like super long.

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But they like, they, they dropit in like batches so you can like
ingest it.
But they at least had like abetter release window.
I think they did.
They had a much better, likethey had a.
They had a much better releasewindow and they had a wider base
like you had.
It would be on BBC America.
Then it will be on pbs.
They will show like.

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So they had a.
They had a wider base and itwas showing somewhere else too, but
they had a wider base.
They had about a betterrelease like you said.
They had better batches,better batch release.
And they.
And like I said, they weregiving you movies.
They weren't giving you, oh,here's a 45 minute special or here's
an hour special.

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Like, no, they're giving you agood hour and a half, two hour show
or movie for that matter.
They're.
They're going to give.
It was better condensed, I guess.
I'm gonna need a recap ofStranger Things.
I'm not re watching.
What was it, like 6:2?
That last episode was so long.
I lost like a good chunk of mywork day watching in the background.

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Like I thought.
I thought maybe I missed something.
I'm like, we went from thedesert to like military people to
back to these kids, to the Demogorgon.
I, I watched, I watched stillon the same episode.
Like, yeah, I went to the.
Yeah, that was the lastepisode I actually re watched where
Hopper was in the prison with,with Winona Ryder.

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Eleven was in a, in a, a madeup deprivation tank to help.
I can't.
The redhead because that waslike a mindscape.
Eddie and Eddie and.
Oh, I can't remember the kid'sname, but they were actually.
They were in one part of theUpside down fighting a little bats,

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playing the rock music.
I'm like, this is all in one episode.
Yeah.
Every time I blink, I'mmissing something.
Steve and, and Nancy and theother girl, they were still.
They were in the Upside down,but they were in a totally different
part of the Upside Down.
So.
Yeah, it was.
Yeah, it was a lot going on inthat episode.

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Dustin.
Dustin.
That's his name.
Yeah.
I feel like they always.
I don't.
I haven't watched Wednesday,but I feel like when it comes to
like these shows wrapping up.
They dropped that last seasontoo late.
Stranger things.
Some kids ain't even kids anymore.
Umbrella Academy was justlike, all right.
That.
That took long for no reason whatsoever.
I've heard I shouldn't evenbother with the last season of Seven
Deadly Sins.

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And then somebody just threwdear white people off a cliff.
Like, it's like, yeah, becauseyou, you have.
There was a time whereespecially Netflix, there was a time
where they showed a good showand people clamored for I need to
know more.
I need more.
Like, the Santa Clarita Dietis a good horror comedy with Drew

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Barrymore and Nathan Fillionhasn't has an appearance in it.
I, I think Alan Tudor Catshows up at one point, but it's a
good.
Timothy Oliphant is playingthe husband.
There was a lot going on inthat show because I don't want to
spoil it, even though it'sbeen a couple years, but there was

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a lot going on in the show.
And I think it went five seasons.
And that fifth season, theirseason finale ended up being their
series finale.
And it was such a cliffhangerthat it was just like, well, what
the heck happened?
You could have gave us a.
You could have gave us onewrap up for a movie if you weren't
going to give them a whole season.
But that's when we werefinding out, hey, they start these,

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these stars out at a certain cap.
And then as if they progress,if another season's added, another
season's at it, they gotpaying more money.
Where's the money coming from?
Netflix.
How we getting all this money?
It ain't.
It ain't all through subscription.
They got to pull this money somewhere.

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It's just like.
It's like your localtelevision stations.
Those, those like cw.
The cw.
CW wasn't making any money.
It wasn't making any money.
It was getting a lot ofviewership, especially during the.
The Arrowverse era.
I was gonna say, what was cw?
Once UBN flipped into it,like, before the Arrowverse, I really

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was like, y.
This guy, like Smallville reruns.
And I think Friends, like,what else is over there?
Yeah, they went from.
They went from.
At least here in Cleveland, itwent from channel 43 to channel 55
to UPN, then to UPN to CW.

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And then like in the last legsof it, it changed to.
See, I think they changed theCW55 or something, but it changed
over to CW and then it becameall teen drama stuff.
Vampire Diaries, theSupernatural and everything else.
And then they kind of struck Smallville.
Then they struck gold.
You know, after those twoshows, after Smallville ended, they

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started hitting gold withSupernatural, and then they started
bringing on vampire shows, andthen they started bringing in Vampire
Diaries.
And it was.
Let me see, was it Archie?
Was that one of those networksthat was forcing seventh Heaven on
all of us?
Yeah, it was like, in the.
In between there.
Like, in between there.
7.

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7 Heaven was thrown in there.
And then like, late night was like.
Like you said, friends repeatsand Whose Line Is It Anyway?
Stuff like that.
Drew.
Drew Carey reruns.
Which, by the way, the DrewCarey show was hilarious.
It was.
It wasn't just that it tookplace in Cleveland.

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That show was actually prettydamn funny.
I feel like I remember it.
I don't remember.
See, I was like, too young for.
A lot of them.
Say Carlos.
Like, I remember they wouldhave random.
There was some show.
I don't know who.
The white woman that wasstarring in it.
She was the Melissa McCarthyof her time.
But I remember they had likean episode with actual Daffy Duck
was in it, just ruining her off.
It's like.
And I cannot for the life ofme remember what show it was.

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Oh, my God.
Now I gotta.
I gotta go back in my memorybanking track that one.
But yeah, it's.
They.
They did that.
Those.
Those type of networks, theydon't make any money because you
don't really think about that.
It was.
It's like afterthoughts.
Yeah, yeah, Mal.
Yeah, yeah, it was.
Drew Carey was hilarious.

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Like, that was where I gotfirst when he.
He actually does Batman'svoice in.
In the Brave and the Bold,that's when I got introduced to him.
So when they did Batman, Braveand the Bold, and I'm like, the guy
from Drew Carey is doing that now.
That you made that connectionI think I do remember a few episodes

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of it, but like that show Kingof Queens, like, King of Queens is
hilarious.
A little bit of My Name isEarl, that type of stuff.
Yeah, those were.
Those are funny.
So King of Queens is hilarious.
Drew Carey is funny as hell.
I never got into the Office,although, like, clips that they show

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were actually funny clips.
I tried and I was just like,oh, this ain't for me.
I like it.
It was very much the.
The college Netflix binge ofthe time, because I know they got.
I know they got the paper now,which I'm hearing is really good.
The Office, I think is worth agood watch.
At least one time throughDaffy was.
Oh, that was the Drew Carey Show.

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B. Yeah.
Yeah.
That means.
That means the girl.
That means it was Drew Carey'snemesis who ends up later becoming
his sister in law because shemarries his brother.
He was like.
It was like her.
His office enemy.
That's what she was.
It was off his enemy.
And.
And.
And he used to always teaseher about all the makeup she wore

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because he didn't look right.
Like, they even made a joke,like if you put makeup on a pig and
he looked at her and she waslike, I dare you to say Mimi.
That was her name, Mimi.
When I actually seen herwithout makeup, like the actual actress
without makeup, I'm like, shelooked totally different.

(30:01):
They just like caked oneyeshadow and makeup and rouge and
blush.
But no, no, a lot of they had.
They had a good.
A lot of those shows had agood run.
And actually Drew Carey hadone of the better intros to a show,
to us, to a sitcom,highlighted a lot of spots in Cleveland

(30:25):
and big dance numbers and everything.
It was.
It was a.
It was an event.
So Dietrich Bader is the voiceof Batman.
That's what I was first.
I was first introduced toDietrich Bader on Drew Carey and
when they announced him forBatman, Brave and Abold, which, by

(30:46):
the way, not a bad cartoon,it's actually good, is.
I'm surprised it's notmentioned enough when it comes to
talking about Batman cartoons.
So, yeah, a lot of that wasright on point.
Kings of King of Queens isabsolutely downright ridiculous.

(31:08):
That was Brave in the bowl wasa good one.
That was one of the few, likeI watched start to finish.
And then when they did, justthe most ridiculous way of canceling
it with Bad Mike just puttingall his fan fictions in and be like,
all right.
And then the whole cast comeson to say goodbye.
Yeah, I'm just like, oh, IGuess this is like the last.
Last episode.
I thought y' all were joking.
And then it just didn't comeon anymore.
Yep.

(31:28):
And Young justice, if anybodystill remembers the show, if they
ever get a Fitz season,because they did.
Y' all gonna do another timeskip or what's gonna happen?
Because y' all have, like,Damian Wayne is a baby.
Red Hood's still hostage andjust never gonna get rescued.
Mara has been in the PhantomZone, and somehow none of the Black
Tony has bothered to help her.

(31:48):
It.
It good, man.
For as good as Young justiceis, they did that show dirty.
Well, seeing how we.
We just got a Red Hood comiccancel today, I can see which direction
WB is trying to go in.
Good Lord.
Yeah, they're getting boughtby Paramount.
Skydance now, so.
Or at least that's the deal.

(32:09):
Where's my straw hats?
Whoopty.
What's going on?
Nothing.
Nothing.
My computer hates me.
Every four days, it decides,you know, you need to do two reboots
in order to get me working.
What your computer say?
N. Boo.
Do it again.

(32:30):
Just.
Just a little double jump start.
You know, it lures you into afalse sense of, you know, this is
gonna work, and you getexcited, and then it goes, nah.
Right.
So we.
Again, we're gonna jump rightInto Peacemaker Season 2, episode
3.

(32:53):
I have some theories aboutthis alternate universe that Chris
has gone in, but I. I'm notready to say it yet.
I'm waiting to see how it unfolds.
I'm waiting.
Okay, so it's about everybodytalking about the background.

(33:15):
Because I didn't peep.
Yeah, it is.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I didn't.
I didn't notice until somebodypointed it out this episode.
It's because.
And then when.
When they mentioned when it.
So.
So this is.
This is the theory that that'srunning around in my head, and it's
starting to add up.
So when we.
Obviously, when we seePeacemaker Season 2 open up and he
sees his father, which iscalled the Blue Dragon, over in the

(33:38):
other.
In the other world.
And I thought that was an odd choice.
And I said, oh, he still hasthe same costume.
It's just the color scheme is different.
And what the theory is thatsome people are already saying is
there's nobody that look likeus in the backgrounds at all.

(34:00):
At all.
And that is very telling.
And at first, you know, youdon't see a lot of background people.
You just see it, like whenChris is on his motorcycle and everybody's
yelling his name and he'sbeing adored by fans.
And everything else,everything so far looks peaceful.
You don't even pick that up.

(34:21):
You just know people arescreaming his name.
They're happy his brother's alive.
His dad is saying he loves them.
And they're.
Apparently, they stay in anice house.
They're considered their topthree heroes in.
In that world.
He dated Hardcourt, used todate her in that world.
Still has ties to her, goesover there.

(34:45):
So the theory is that not onlydo they not see people of color,
but they're trying to say thatthis might be Earth X.
And if you remember Earth Xfrom one of the many crossovers from
the Arrowverse, Earth X iswhere the Nazis won.
Yeah.

(35:07):
And I said, oh, this might bewhy the son's liberty are there.
And if there's no backgroundactors that look like us or Asian
or Latino or anything like that.
And why his father is soconsidered one of the top heroes.

(35:28):
And it was like, he still hasthat same.
The Blue Dragon look.
And it was like, oh, thatwould make a little sense when they
put it.
Somebody pointed out that'salso why they're saying bloodhaven
like that, because they wouldhave adopted the dialect and the
way that they say, like,certain vowels.
So it's instead of blood, it's blued.
Yeah, yeah, that part.

(35:51):
So now I'm like, oh, damn.
Because we've been trying tofigure out what is wrong with if.
If everything looks so right,what is wrong in this world that
makes you wonder now?
Because I'm trying to think.
Did they mention Waller at all?
They just mentioned ARGUS theydon't mention Waller.

(36:12):
I don't believe we haven'tseen any of his.
Of his other friends over there.
We haven't seen theircounterparts at all.
Or he heard them being mentioned.
I don't know if we will.
I would think I would.
I would care to think they.
They could show up.
But I think that's when Chrisis going to realize, like, oh, it's

(36:37):
not the word you think it is.
It's.
It's everything you want asfar as your personals, you know,
hardcore.
You used to date hardcore.
Y' all looked happy.
You know, your father isalive, and he's a loving father.
Your brother is alive.
You know, you're consideredone of the great heroes.

(36:58):
You're respected, you're adored.
Downside.
Right.
Okay.
At the beginning was hardcore and.
And flag a thing before all ofthis happened.
They allude to that one inthis reality.
Yes.
But they don't mention itnowhere else.

(37:19):
Like, I couldn't tell.
We were talking about ourhome, D.C. or the.
The other one that.
The other.
The other one.
The other one.
Both, actually.
Because I know she's dating.
She's dating like the dorkversion of Rick Flag.
Yeah.
But then when they're like,oh, yeah, by the way, like, I feel

(37:40):
like this opens a whole newcan of worms to y'.
All.
Like, relation, friendship.
Because, like, he also killedyour friend and someone you cared
about.
Yeah.
I'm not sure if, like, youknow that, but his dad knows.
So in.
In our DC world, Hardcore andFlag were.
We're getting it in.
They were getting it in.

(38:01):
But, you know, Hardcore isn'tlike a relationship.
At least this is our versionof Hardcore isn't a relationship
type person.
So she's probably just happywith just getting it in.
Flag, on the other hand, he's.
He's stuck dealing with June,who's a witch, and so didn't she
die or.
Like in the first SuicideSquad or what.
What happened with Enchantress again?

(38:22):
I forgot.
Enchantress.
I know.
The demon took her out ortried to.
Yes, they took her out.
They took her out.
Yes.
Because that was afterwards.
Because that scene where theyshow Flag and Hardcore in bed together.
June is still alive.

(38:43):
The whole events hadn't openedup yet.
Those events hadn't opened up yet.
So it wasn't until he made fun of.
Of Waller's shirt, he getsstuck on the mission.
So.
So, yeah, see, I'm like, doesshe know that?
Does nobody know that hekilled Rick Flag Jr. Because I'm

(39:05):
like, that feels weird thatshe's been assigned him this whole
time.
And I think that's just anargument waiting to happen that should
have happened, like, way sooner.
I think.
The events of Peacemakertaking out Flag, who knows John Economies,
if John economist knows it,the rest of the team knows it.

(39:29):
Yeah, yeah.
Because even.
Even at a bio knows.
So, yeah, the team knows.
They just haven't said anything.
And it wasn't until Rick Flagsenior asked.
He.
Like, I think he had.
Rick Flag senior hadprecautions of knowing, you know,
he had.
He was like, I. I thinksomething's up.
And I.

(39:50):
Nobody's really telling mewhat happened to my kid.
And he.
And he knows Waller, obviously.
Right.
I feel like now that you haveauthority, that's who you need to
be cussing out instead oftrying to just take waste resources
chasing this man down.
So, yeah, he.
He.
He's.
Yeah, is.

(40:11):
I just seen lady over in the chat.
Yeah, Mal.
It's Earth part, you're right.
Ours is Earth Prime.
Which will be discussed.
How do you legalize killing aneagle for what, like, 12 hours or
whatever myriad mysterioustime window they got?
Well, he hasn't done it yet.
The eagle hunter.
He hasn't done it yet.

(40:31):
He's just been tasked withhunting him down.
He's gonna fail.
We know that he's gonna fail.
If anything, Eagly might getslightly injured, but, yeah, I. I
don't.
And then judo master, like, y'all don't have this, like, little
man locked up on war crimes atthis point.
Like, he still tried to selly' all out for reasons we don't fully

(40:55):
understand.
Last.
What was his code name?
What did they call him?
That's what they opened up theback of the truck and condomals was
like, oh.
He can't win.
He's just like, I.
Did you have any takeawaysfrom this episode?

(41:16):
I haven't finished watchingit, so I'm just soaking it.
Are you.
Are you looking at it right now?
Maybe.
Maybe.
Okay.
I feel like I was talking toomuch, but go ahead.
No, I.
It's just.

(41:38):
My running theory is that thedude we met in the first episode
was a complete fake too.
I feel like he already pulledwhat our John is pulling or what
our Chris is pulling, and hethought he was about to give this.
He thought somebody else wasabout to come and basically steal
his thunder and then ended updoing himself in.
Somebody else hadn't saidsomething to the effect that, you

(41:59):
know, obviously, as he said,it's like 99 universes, he said,
and he's probably a Dick inall 99 universes.
And he probably assumed inthat one he wasn't.
So fun for that.
Like, we've had.
I feel like it's.
Yes, he's a douche, but it'slike, it's.

(42:21):
It's.
Even his whole family seemsnice, but it's like, oh, you were,
like, exactly the same here,but potentially worse.
Yeah.
And we.
And as far as his brotherKeith, we wouldn't.
We don't know how his brother.
I mean, he seems like theloving brother right now.
We don't know what he was likein there because Chris killed him

(42:41):
at a young age, you know, onaccident, you know, So, I mean, he's.
He's better here than he wasin the office.
So.
So it's.
It still stands.
A question.
I need to know.
I think that's the.
I think Spartan has some words.

(43:03):
I. I think that this universemight be what we.
It might be what I'm theorizing.
Spartan.
I need to Ask you, oh,everything looks so right with this
other Earth.

(43:26):
What do you think is wrong?
Oh, you must be on Peacemaker.
Yeah.
Oh, more than likely, thebrother's got dark secret.
The brother's got a dark secret.
You think it's just a brotherthat has a dark secret?
I think it's gonna be the brother.
And I think that.
I think it's the.
Think about this.
I think the brother is goingto be slightly corrupted.
That's my guess.
Because it's all too.

(43:46):
You know, they.
Because if you really thinkabout it, in Peacemaker, that alternate.
At alternate Earth waseverything that Chris wanted.
He wanted to be seen as a hero.
He wanted hardcore.
He, you know, had hardcore relationship.
He, you know, had everything.
Had his father, had his brother.
If you really think about it,it's almost as if someone just sat

(44:06):
there and said, here, it'slike the maker just gave you the
entire universe that youwanted just to keep you domiciled.
Which makes you think theother shoe.
The other shoe that has a dropout of this is that either a something's
up with a brother or we'reabout to get introduced to somebody
that's basically pulling thestrings one to two.
So I. I told him.
I told the team.

(44:27):
I said.
And it was.
It was something that somebodysaid about the background actors.
You don't see none of this.
Oh, yeah, I went back and watched.
I went back and watched itduring work.
I was like, oh, wow, we havelanded in Whiteyville.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I. I think that's the.
I think for me, I think that'sthe shoe that drops.

(44:49):
Hence the Sons of Liberty.
Yeah.
Because I'm like, I know theSons of Liberty are a little different
in comics, but of course, it'sJames Gunn world, so of course he
could.
But at the same time, it doeskind of make sense.
It's like, where's Negro town?
No Latinos, no Asians.
I mean, they said that.

(45:09):
They said there's a lot ofstuff they couldn't show.
They didn't even give thepress, like, the last, what, three
episodes?
So I wouldn't be surprised if,like, we get it just slapped with
a whole bunch of revelationsand, like, Superman, red sun pulls
up.
Yeah.
But that same time.
If they do that.
Yeah.
It's like Bama pointed out theother Chris had a little bit of a

(45:30):
pill problem.
And his brother.
Yeah.
And his brother even sat thereand said, are you using again?
So they're.
So there's a story there, too.
So there's a.
There's a Six different waysfrom Sunday.
They can really go about this.
Honestly.
Yeah, I think he's gotta.
I think that world he's in.
And mind you, like, one of thequestions I had already had is, where's

(45:51):
the rest of the crew?
Because I'd have to think,because if this is an all white party,
no pun intended.
Like, I. I gotta go back andlook to see who's working at ARGUS
Because I didn't.
They don't mention Waller inARGUS so who else was there?
I mean, the only person I can.

(46:11):
Well, no, I doubt.
I doubt they're bold enough tobring a Luthor esque villain running
ARGUS But I could be wrong.
I mean, that's what.
That's what Rick Flag is there for.
Yeah.
Well, no, well, yeah, Flag isat prime.
Yeah.
But in.
In this earth.
Yeah, you're right.
We don't know.
There.
There was.
He just says Argus.

(46:34):
It's just.
Argus is just me.
It's not mentioned who'srunning ARGUS it's not talk about.
It's not mentioning anybody atthe top, pretty much.
It's just all about, I need togo talk to Hardcourt.
And then you see that versionof Rick Flag, who a klutz.
And.
And.

(46:56):
So weird.
So weird seeing him like that.
How you gonna do my boy like that?
This.
This man.
I said.
Really?
Of all the ways you can makehim in this universe, he has to be
the.
The clutch slash stalker.
Yeah, like, that's the jarheadyou left him.
Like.
But then you find out that therelationship that.
That version of Chris andhardcore Hat wasn't exactly all peaches

(47:23):
and cream neither.
Like, yeah, he was.
He was skating around on herand everything.
He was.
But that's it.
But that.
But that's what I said.
It just.
It just.
You keep on waiting like it'soblivious to Chris because he's like,
I. I have everything.
All I'm missing is Eagly.
And the thing about it is, youever noticed there's not an Eagly

(47:44):
in this universe?
What if Eagle is like, what isthat girl's name?
Because we haven't seen herlike eight movies.
Whatever.
Eagle is like America Chavez.
There's only one.
And he's just been a pet inlike multiple ones.
You see, Eagly almost likeknew which door to go through or
unless you like can smell thescent or what.

(48:04):
Eagly, I feel like, knows alot more than.
He's like, Eagly is theeyeball from Alien.
He knows.
He knows more than he'sletting on.
Eagly is like, I have Seenthings I have seen.
I would rather stay over here,but I need to get.
I need to get something backover there real quick.
You know what?
Safari.
That would explain something,because when Eagly was flying in

(48:25):
the pocket.
Was in the pocket universewith all the doors, he wouldn't go
into any of them.
Even when he called him back,Ely was like, nope.
So that kind of does say something.
But it's also.
It's also like if y' all aresharing it, y' all have never crossed
paths with each other up untilthis point.
Like the fact that there'sanother one person storing helmets

(48:46):
in there.
Right.
I think.
I think part of it.
And.
And this is something Ithought about that.
I think part of it is when itwas his.
It was his father'sinterdimensional doorway.
So it was just like, yeah, Imade you this helmet.
And, you know, as much as hewas always trying to gain Garner.
His father's favorite.
Yeah.
He also didn't like beingaround his father.

(49:07):
Rightfully so.
But he uses inventions.
Yeah.
So he was just like, fine, atleast you're making me cool helmets
or whatever.
I'll use it.
And he probably just.
And.
And knowing how his father is,his father was just like, yeah, don't.
Don't go over there.
Don't do this.
And he's just like, whatever.
I won't.
It's almost like there's a redbutton somewhere.
He told him, just, whateveryou do, don't push the red button.

(49:30):
Right.
Right.
So him just going in there,you know, he is probably like, like,
burned in his brain, like, I'mjust gonna go get my stuff and walk
on out, and that's it.
You know?
But then, you know, you gotthat one guy.
I'm just gonna call him Bobbecause he never does give him a
name, but Bob always shows up.

(49:51):
He says hi to Bob.
It was rude.
It was very rude.
He's like.
He's.
He says he speaks to you every.
Time he sees you.
Is Bob a Parademon or.
No, Gun gave it a name, butit's not a Parademon.
I just thought that was crazy.
It's like I have.
I say hi to this guy all thefreaking time, and he can't even

(50:15):
say hi once.
But he understood when he'slike, man, get the back.
I feel like I don't.
I feel like we'll get morefrom him, too, in either his home
dimension or why he's alwaysjust using it as a glorified trash
can.
Yeah.
And he did have an incineratorThough I did see that.
Yeah.

(50:35):
Which completely got rid of myidea of like, oh, they'll just hide
the other Chris's body andmaybe discover Lazarus bit.
Nope.
Bone saw.
And just instant flames, right?
Yeah.
When they.
When.
When they lit that other bodyon fire, I'm like, oh, that's the
good stuff.
That's like thermite.
They didn't miss once.
I was like, just dang.

(50:57):
As vigilante.
He's just like, well, youknow, that's not gonna really do
it.
I was like, this man needs a hobby.
He needs a hobby.
He does.
He's learned.
He knows all about owls and spiders.
He really does it.
I'm like, sir, you need a friend.
You need a.
You need a friend and.
And therapy.
He's like.

(51:18):
He's like Yelena is to.
To Bob.
Like, you just need to keephim close because if you don't.
That part.
It was like, he's good in the fight.
He might be annoying.
He.
But he's good in the fight.
But if you let him go off tohis own devices, it's a problem.
Yeah.
He was like, that's.
That could go left really badreally quick, you know, I mean, it's

(51:42):
granted even the first seasonwhen he's like, he gets himself put
in.
In jail with Peacemakers.
I'm like, not exactly the mostsound planned, but it worked.
It was effective.
Man, that was efficient.
Let me.
Let me just knock out the guyto get in the prison to get the person
I want to get, and then justleave just as easy.

(52:04):
I was like, I'm not saying hegot a plan, but nothing.
It's not the best plan, ButI'm like, but it works.
It's so much.
He's like a lot of people onthe timeline lately.
He just sounds dumb.
But confidently like, right.
Like you said that one soconfidently, but so incorrect.
I actually had to double checkmy own phone, even though I knew

(52:26):
it was wrong.
Yeah.
So it's like.
But like I said, even.
Even Peacemaker keeps him.
He's like, he's annoying, buthe keeps him close.
But he's effective.
He was like.
Because, like, do you realizeif he wasn't an anti hero, where
he sees himself as a hero,that could be a whole mass murderer.

(52:46):
Like, it could be so much worse.
So much worse.
So I think so.
Before we go to commercialbreak, do you think that now that
John knows what's going on,the Cotimos.
Now he knows what's going on.
Do you think he's gonna rat anybody?

(53:07):
I don't think he's gonna ratanybody out because as much as he
doesn't view, he viewsPeacemaker there.
He's not so much a friend, buthe's friendly.
I don't think he'll rat.
I don't think kind of mostwill rat anybody out.
But I'm sorry.
Just my mind he's going backto Tim Meadows character.

(53:28):
Just.
I. I have bird blindness.
It's a giant duck.
I'm like, dude, wait a minute.
How did you deliver that witha straight face?
I don't know.
How did you not.
How did you put me up againsta man that knew that.
That knew I had blurb blindness?
I'm like, you could.
You can't tell an eagle from a duck.
They all look the same to me.

(53:50):
So.
They all look the same to me.
He's like, you never heard ofa hummingbird?
And he described it.
He was like.
He's like.
I only know that because Iread up on one pretty much.
But no, I don't think.
I think Economos is gonna keepit close to the chest.
But let's be honest.
Oh boy.
Is not too far off from justshowing up on at Chris's door and

(54:13):
just saying, you know, we needto have a conversation about my son.
Yeah.
Well, I mean we're.
I think we're getting it.
Starting off with a raid.
Next episode after this moreofficially done in this goofy terrorist
attack.
Because how do you trip withthe bomb strapped to you?
I mean, that also is true.
But yeah.
I mean with the raid, I thinkthey are gonna.
I. I think with the raid theyare gonna.

(54:35):
That's gonna lead to theconfrontation between Flag and.
Between Flag and Chris.
And that's gonna be a whole.
Another.
That might be a whole otherJames Gunn tear jerker on that one.
Just like.
I didn't.
I didn't mean.
Right.
Where does Waller getaccountability in this?
Because like she was the onethat ordered it.
She was.
But technically she.
I would love to see two highlevel ranking government employees

(54:56):
yell each other.
But that's the thing.
I mean unless they.
Unless you know, Ms.
But Ms. Mrs. Davis makes anappearance outside of that Wallers
and Bell Reef.
So even so I'm sure he'llcatch a flight over there with all
of his new power.
So I just.
I need.
I need whatever thatconfrontation would be to be filmed.

(55:18):
I know the workers.
The workers at Bell Reef SlackChat will be on fire.
That I'm gonna tell you right now.
Waller's getting out of Bell Reef.
Yeah.
I mean gun that Gun already issaying that he's doing a show for
it.
So she's getting out of bed.
It's Waller.
She's gonna have dirt on.
She always has dirt on somebody.
It's wilder.
And, and, and if it.

(55:38):
If it's any consolation, afterwhat James Gunn announced.
What was it last week aboutwhat we're looking forward.
Forward to in the nextSuperman film.
Yep.
With man.
It's a mar.
He's gonna work something outwith Lex where he gets out.
Yep.
A work release program.
As long as he doesn't.
As long as you.
You know, as long as you keepit to yourself about who you want

(55:58):
to take out and you know, keep super.
You know, Superman's offlimits because their.
Their goals are aligned.
Their goals are definitely aligned.
You have this super powered alien.
Her task is to make surethreats do not happen.
They take care of jobs that noone else wants to take responsibility
for.
She does the dirty work.

(56:19):
I just hope there's not arobot named Amazo.
Oh, no, no.
Amazo.
Brainiac only, please.
I'm gonna say we see Amazing.
I feel like we could geteither one of those.
Either beginning in Supergirland then completed in man of Tomorrow.
Yeah.
I know one thing.
I know one thing.
We're getting a properSuperman sequel.
Yeah.
Gosh.

(56:41):
I mean, once he saw Lex in the suit.
And I'm like, either.
Either you're doing Parasiteor you're laying the groundwork for
Doomsday.
One of the two.
Yeah.
I'll lean more to Brainiac orParasite, I don't think.
Because somebody else madethat mistake of doing Doomsday first.
Because they turned Doomsdayinto a goddamn Pokemon.

(57:02):
That's what made no freaking sense.
They did it early.
Yeah.
I'm like.
I'm like, did you just give mefour stories in one movie?
And let's.
And you try to do, you knowwhat they.
And I know.
I know we need to switchtopics, but again, Lex to Doomsday
was just.
Was not what Tony was to Ultron.
You can't all.

(57:22):
I mean, you can alter thestoryline in the MCU to make sense.
You can't do it in the dcu.
I'm.
I'm sorry.
Because there's.
There's no way.
Lex is a smart individual.
But.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's true.
He said Amanda Waller has moredirt on people than the desert ass.
And yeah.
Yep, she does.
Like, they was like, AmandaWaller's going to Belle Reef.
I'm like wood.

(57:43):
Like Martha Stewart when shewent to federal prison.
It's like she was outgardening and everything.
What a smile.
What do you mean?
What do you mean, Bama?
You mean a ninja turtle?
What do you mean?
Oh, Doomsday.
Oh, yeah, that the mutated.
The mutated Raja.
That's six feet long.
Yeah.
That didn't make any sense at all.

(58:05):
I'm sorry.
Yeah, yeah.
Trust me.
Yeah.
I was not in a happy placewhen he did.
I'm like, wait a minute, right?
Why.
Why are we doing this?
You know, as a DBZ fan, I'mkind of mad that you just basically
made him just evolve like fivetimes in.
In two minutes.
Because all he did was get hit.
That.
That's the Hulks thing.

(58:25):
Look here.
My wife, who does not readcomics, but much like everyone else
in the world, knew about thedeath of Superman.
And when she seen him.
When she seen Cavill, Supermandied, she was like, wait, he's dead?
And I'm like, we will talkafter the movie.
It's like.
It's like showing somebody theTransformers movie and then just

(58:47):
saying, wait for that moment.
I'm like, jesus.
I'm like, this is what we're doing.
Damn it.
Glad we're not there anymore.
Glad we're not there anymore.
Yeah, he tried to speed runthe suit.
Yeah, he did.
He was speed run the Superman arc.
Oh, man.

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So we're gonna take a break.
We're gonna come back.
We are going to cover some ofthe worst and craziest comic book
recons from DC and Marvel.
Now, we're not doing all ofthem, but we got quite a few to talk
about.
So we'll be right back afterthis break.
Stay tuned.
If you got something crazy,drop it in the comments.

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All right, we are back.
Imagine all the names I wascoming up with when I made that cut.
So we are covering some of theworst and craziest retcons Marvel
or DC Comics has covered.
I think Spartan, we'll startwith you.
Oh, my bad.
I was jamming the Tafara.

(01:01:10):
I don't know why.
It unmutes it every time.
And I hit it right when wecome back.
I don't.
I'm just saying your dad wasgetting down.
That's.
I was like, oh, it should have.
Been over six minutes.
Ago.
But.
All right.
You know, the.
The main list.
I. I'm just gonna go ahead andjust do the elephant in the room,
and I'm gonna.
I'm just gonna put D.C. up there.

(01:01:31):
The new 52.
Ah.
One of the most horrible retcons.
I have no idea what they werethinking between Greg Baloney and
the rest of them, because forsome odd reason, they sat there and
said, oh, let's just rebootthe entire dcu.
Right?
And let's do it in a way thatjust, I don't know, throw.

(01:01:53):
Throw darts at a board andhope it sticks.
Batman was terrible.
Superman was terrible.
Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Supergirl.
I can keep going down list.
There's not a new 52 storythat I liked at all.
But if I had to think of theworst retcons, that's at least number
two on my top five.

(01:02:14):
But that's just me.
Yeah, the new 52.
New 52 left a really funkytaste in a lot of people's mouth.
The.
The redesigns were weird.
Not hated, but just weird.
It's like they literally got.

(01:02:34):
You know what it was?
It's.
It's as if you told ZackSnyder, hey, redo the entire DCU.
But I'm giving you 12different storylines and over 20
different comics, and you cantake artistic license with all of
them.
Yeah.
That's the best way I couldput that.
We're talking just.
The comics are like theanimated films as well.

(01:02:55):
The comments.
The comics.
Okay.
Because I was like, the rebootthey did for new52 in there was just
God awful.
Yeah.
Hence the hints that.
Yeah.
The most talked about thingout of that.
Out of that universe.
Superman and Wonder Woman.
The kiss.
Yeah.
That made no sense.
It was.
It was like watching siblings kiss.
Damn.

(01:03:15):
They at least broke them upand they at least said no.
And what was in Injustice?
Because she tried.
Yeah.
But in, I think the new 52,they broke them up after, like, one
movie because Cyborg and Flashwere like, all right, this is, like,
painfully awkward.
Can y' all stop?
Yeah.
So, Mal, you're right.
The Heroes Reborn here also terrible.

(01:03:39):
He's right.
Good and terrible.
There's a lot of.
A lot of Synthol looked likeit was used on a lot of those characters.
Cap looked like he had breast implants.
Yeah.
It.
It just.
Just not good.
Not this off the back of Onslaught.

(01:04:05):
And you gave us Heroes Reborn.
It was such a wild idea thatwas just tragically executed.
And.
And even looking back, becausethat was like the 90s.
So even looking back, it wasjust like, too much of everything,
whether it was muscles, littlefeet, or pockets.

(01:04:25):
Oh, no.
It gets weird.
Are we talking about what'shis name?
Yeah.
That one thing of CaptainAmerica with the triple F, double
D extra E chest.
I.
That photo.

(01:04:45):
I had to look.
I was like, I remember that photo.
I don't remember it being that bad.
And then I. I actually have this.
I actually have that run.
And I'm like, oh, it is.
Yo.
His muscles.
That was the.
That.
The angling.
Like, he's so.
For.
For context, he's standing.

(01:05:07):
Look, you're looking at Catfrom the side, right?
And he's.
But his head is towards facing you.
But the angling is so off thatI'm like, how is this even the physics.
How is your drawing of feet sonotoriously bad that it makes it

(01:05:31):
into a Deadpool movie?
I got one worse than that, though.
Well, if you're a Spider man fan.
It'S worse than that.
But I'm sorry.
Go.
I'm gonna keep mine, but I'm sorry.
You're going next.
Yeah, go ahead.
Whoopty.
Are we just talking about thehorrible things or just.
You can talk.
The horrible or the crazy?

(01:05:52):
Oh, your sound.
Say that again.
How about now?
There you go.
Okay.
I can't say I like where the XMen are going after Kakoa.
Okay.
I am not alone.
I am not alone.
I was very happy in Krakoa eraX Men.
God, it was the best error ofthe X Men.

(01:06:16):
And what did they do?
They got rid of.
It.
Just.
You.
You couldn't.
You couldn't.
It's.
It's like.
It's like Peter Parker.
You just can't let the manhave one happy arc.
You can't.
I. I'm just saying, as a spy, as.
As a spy, if you're a Spiderman, you are just mentally destroyed.

(01:06:39):
Physically strong, mentally destroyed.
I'm just saying, of all thethings that man gets put through,
but no Krakoa.
The Kakora arc was great.
It covered.
It really covered X Men, theUncanny X Men, X Force, forgetting
three other ones.
But it's almost.
It's like he.
It's like Hickman gave them asoft reboot and said, we're gonna

(01:07:04):
start here because this is anera that could go on.
And he said, it could go onfor at least seven to 10 years.
Yeah.
And it really could.
But for some odd reason,someone said, ah, let's wreck it.
Let's just.
Let's just burn it all down.
God.
The Ed Kraa era was the.

(01:07:24):
We need to have them re.
Revisit the Krakoan era.
It's.
It's.
I love X Men.
It's the error.
But this Krakoan era was everything.
You know what made me did wantto throw the book across the room.
What's that?
The Hellfire gala where theyforced everybody through the.

(01:07:44):
Oh.
All through the gates.
Oh.
Oh.
This is right.
This is the reason why I saidProfessor X is a little.
Is a little bit.
Is a little bit too close to being.
I can't say the word here.
He's being too close to one of them.
When he sat there, was giventhe decision, you could either lead.
You can either lead yourmutants these portals or weak or

(01:08:06):
I will use you to kill themall instead.
He was told this by a human?
Yeah, you were told this by ahuman the whole entire time.
Instead of, you know.
And again, I can hearMagneal's words.
You are the most powerfulpsionic mutant on Earth.
You could literally create theutopia that you claim you want, but

(01:08:29):
you choose not to be strongenough to take over the humans.
You'd rather try to be.
Try to cohabitate with them.
And that's your folly.
And of course, Professor Xsaid, no, that's just your hubris.
And Magneto said, I might befor mutants, but I ain't stupid.
God, I love that air.
The Quiet Council, themidnight council where they terraform

(01:08:55):
Mars is probably some of thebest visuals and description as they're
doing it right.
Magneto was.
Magneto was creating the poles.
Storm is realigning theelectrons and every.
I'm like, this is somebodyseem like.
You could actually do this atthe same time.

(01:09:18):
Again, you.
What's the.
What you.
You literally create an island.
An island.
The reform Red terraform.
The moon.
Ref.
Terraform Mars.
What's freaking next?
Because I'm like, I'm notsaying that, you know, the next thing
I can only think of is thatyou create your own pocket universe.
But let's be honest, that's.
That was.
I'm not gonna try to figureout how they can come with that.

(01:09:39):
But still, they had to useFranklin Richards for that one.
But it was still great.
It was still a great arc that like.
Like, look, you said on itcould have went on for a longer period.
And you could have told somany stories that honestly did not
have to involve humans.
You could have literally hadmutants having inner turmoil with

(01:10:02):
the whole idea of rebirth andthe whole idea of, you know, is this
planet really ours?
You could have went so manydifferent angles, but And.
And here's the.
Here's another thing.
There's.
There's a scene where one ofthe Guthrie children who lost her
powers was.
It Had a chance to gain herpowers back, and she's facing apocalypse.

(01:10:26):
Because, mind you, Krikora,the first thing they said was, all
of them are welcome.
All mutants.
Doesn't matter what side youwere on before, you're welcome here.
Understand?
You're not gonna be pullingthat stuff here.
We're giving you a home.
We're making sure you're takencare of.
You're going to be at peace.
All you got to do is live.

(01:10:46):
And so apocalypse.
Apocalypse of all mutants.
He's facing off with her, andthis battle unfolds, and it's basically
a.
A testament of her will.
And.
And she.
He's.
He's beating her down, butshe's getting back up.
And he's like, you can staydown and be human, or you can get

(01:11:06):
back up and be a mutant.
She's like, I'm getting back up.
And she fought to the hill and died.
Only because she could be reborn.
Because once she's reborn, shehas her powers again.
Yep.
That whole.
That.
Those two pages of.
Of description of how thatunfolds clothes.
I'm like, yo, this is Hickman,because he.

(01:11:29):
He's one of my favorite writers.
He.
He did Fantastic Four.
His run on Fantastic Four is beautiful.
Yes.
You know, his run on Avengersis amazing.
You know, so his run on.
When they said he's writing XMen, I'm like, oh, this is gonna
be.
Oh, it's gonna be good.
This is gonna be something.
You know, the.
The whole.
The.
The way they have the wholequiet Council, they was like, this

(01:11:51):
council handles this.
The midnight council.
Council handles that.
Vulcan got put in his place by storm.
Right.
Disrespectfully, I am morepowerful than you.
You dare talk to the voice of soul?
I was like, okay.

(01:12:12):
She pretty much was like, Ididn't want to do this.
The.
The sit your ass down was loud.
That's all I can say.
Pumpkin is a jerk, though.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, of course.
Like, how are you the youngestSummer's brother, and you're that
much of a.
Jerk because he thinks he's a God.

(01:12:34):
Hot drunk.
You know, feeling.
Feeling himself a little too much.
Right?
And.
And like I said, nobody talk.
And that's something else is.
I don't.
I can't remember how.
How many of the gum.
Three children there arebecause they're all country kids.
They're like.
It's.
They're Sam.
Because there's CannonballHusk and then I can't remember the

(01:12:55):
one, the other sister.
But there's a lot of them.
They're all country kids.
Yeah.
So it's like, imagine that family.
They was like, okay, yourbrother got his powers, and then
here come Husk.
She got her powers.
Okay.
She.
Okay, he got his wife.
Like there's a lot of kids inthat family.
Everybody talks about thesummers, but there's a lot of gunthery
kids, man.

(01:13:15):
They.
They don't talk.
They just pop up like theyfarm kids.
So I guess all you doing ifyou ain't farming, you.
Taste true.
If the silo is a rocking.
Damn.
Oh, man.
Safari.
What?

(01:13:35):
From the list that Mayhem gave us.
Which ones have we covered already?
I had to go pull Waters out ofa truck.
So we talked about the Cohenera for X men and new 52.
And I said, was Heroes Reborn?
Yeah, Heroes.
Somebody brought up in thecomments was One More Day on.

(01:13:58):
Or Brett.
Yeah, one more day on any ofthose lists.
It's One More Day is on that list.
Somebody says.
Somebody said, watch that belike the cruel twist of Spider man
is that at some point thetitle changes from.
Brand New Day to One More DayThunderbolt style.
That, that or the movie.
Somebody else said, what ifthe movie starts off like that?
It's not Brand New Day.

(01:14:19):
It turns into One More Day andwe are already slapped back into
the middle of a Mephisto realm.
Peter, when he already undidthe wish and everyone knows who he
is and his life is justconstant trash.
I mean, we have him.
We have him at FISTO now.
So, I mean, Sasha Baron Cohenis bound to make his appearance somewhere.

(01:14:40):
Borat is here to troll theentire mcu, ladies and gentlemen.
Hey, nobody.
Nobody's seen that is andplayed it well, mind you.
So.
Yeah, I just.
I would not be shocked if hemay they have.
He has to make an appearanceat some point.
Like.
Like, yeah, I would be shockedif he doesn't.
I know the Spider Man'salready got a lot weighing on it
as it is with all these cameos.

(01:15:04):
But.
Yeah, I know that was likepeople's like, I know.
No Way Home was like a betterdone version of it because he tried
to basically get his old lifeback and just screwed everyone else's
life in the process andpotentially reset three, two other
timelines we may or may notknow of.
Yeah.
And maybe just left MichaelKeaton stranded out there with.

(01:15:27):
With Morbius to never come home.
We still don't know whatthat's about.
Yeah, yeah.
From what I can see about onemore day, it was basically almost
like Toby's run and then theyjust gave it the middle finger at
the very end.
Even after like multiplevariants tell you not to.
Including your unborn child.

(01:15:49):
I agree.
I agree.
I was gonna say.
Because I was gonna.
Go ahead, go ahead, Chris.
I got one.
But it's, it's, it's still onthe dt.
One is not really a retcon,but one's a retcon.
One isn't I.

(01:16:10):
And I was, I'll just go withthe one that, that is a retcon.
Okay.
Avengers 1 million B.C.
Yes.
It didn't make sense.
Cool concept, but it didn'tmake sense at all.
Should I even bother to try toread it?

(01:16:31):
I would say if you want toread it, read it for the sake of
knowing how certain charactersare really involved with each other.
Like the Panther, the BlackPanther of that time can control
Mjolnir.
True.

(01:16:52):
Which because, because thenthey play on that much, much later
in the Avengers where thehammer is thrown at Black Panther
and he's able to will it tostop and they trying to figure out
like what's going on.
He's like, like, oh, myancestors could do that.
So there's that relation.

(01:17:12):
It has, it has some coollooking concepts.
It has cool looking concepts.
Like because it has the doctorStrange of that, of that time period.
It has the Black Panther thattime period.
It has a Hulk of that time period.
Which is more like the whole.
It was more like a Hulk slash Quasar.

(01:17:33):
Yeah.
Character that, the iron Fistof that, that era.
So it was, it, it had the Thor was.
Nobody was just Odin.
So it had the Ghost Riderwhich was really cool actually because
the ghost.
Because the, because of the,the mode of transportation was a
mammoth.
So it had cool concepts butoverall it would, it just seemed

(01:17:59):
more like a overarching one shot.
Yeah, that's what, that's whatit came off.
It's not, it's not a, it's nota horrible read.
I've had horrible reads thatit wasn't a horrible.
It just didn't make sense likein the overall scheme of things.
That part.
I still, well, if you likelike Chris said, I, of course I was
kind of being harsh the first,at the first response because it,

(01:18:22):
the writers could have donereally better.
But he does got a point.
If you did want to see somemore of the interpersonal relationships,
they, they do kind of make sense.
But yeah, I, I, you want toKill some time.
Go for it.
Yeah.
Because, like, their Dr.
Strange was at.
Their Dr.
Strange was Agamotto.
Like, the actual Agamotto.

(01:18:44):
And it just.
The concept of thosecharacters are cool.
Those were.
Were rather readable and.
And able to kind of like, oh, okay.
You know, because nobody.
You know, especially with thehype of Black Panther, you're like,
you always want to knowprevious Panthers who held the mantles,
you know, how far back are we going?

(01:19:06):
You know, so, you know, they in.
In, like, Agamotto, you know,like, it's the Agamotto.
Who did it belong to?
Agamotto.
Never seen.
But now you do, you know,Obviously, Odin's gonna still be
around.
That's.
That's kind of his thing, you know?
So finding out which one ofthese characters derived from where.
Those are cool.
But at the end of it all, itwas just like, what.

(01:19:28):
What do we.
What do we learn?
What did we learn?
So that part entirely.
Wait.
Damn.
Now all the crisis iterations.
Crisis on Infinite Earths.
If you thought that animatedrun was convoluted.

(01:19:52):
Yeah.
Read the book.
It's.
It's bad.
I'll put this way.
The concept was great becausethey had to have.
They.
D.C. had to have somethingequal to.
Equal to Marvel's Secret warsbecause that's.
That was the whole idea.
That was the whole idea ofChrist on Infinite Earths.

(01:20:12):
It was literally their answerto Secret Wars.
The problem with Christ onInfinite Earth is that you.
You had a plot that had moreholes in it than Swiss cheese.
At the same time, youliterally, at one point.
And again, I'm spoiling this.
I'm sorry, but trust me,you'll save y'.
All.
I'll save you plenty ofreading time.

(01:20:35):
At one point, Wally was theanswer, and then he wasn't.
Then Green Lantern was theanswer, then he wasn't, and then
for some odd reason in.
In who.
I forgot whoever was writingthe third crisis, Plastic man, was
the answer.
To this day, I have yet tofigure out why.

(01:20:58):
You could have took BoosterGold and gave it a better.
Gave him a better storyline,but no Brights on infinite Earth.
I'm just.
I'm be honest with you,because they've always.
It's.
It's like you're trying totell a grand story, but like all
grand stories, they either.
They either save all universesor they merge them or they're all

(01:21:20):
linked or it's fixed, it changes.
And this is the reason why youcan't do this is why the reason.
Also, they did Crisis Too many times.
Way too many times.
That was also the problembecause Secret wars doesn't get done
in the mc in.
In Marvel that much.
They might.
You know, they've only doneit, what, twice?
Yeah, twice.

(01:21:40):
Only.
Secret wars only been done twice.
Crisis has been now done seven times.
And the last one was still notany better.
Because you try to put theMonitor up against the Watch Monitor.
And the Monitor, for all thosethat don't know, is basically a guy
that's being basically drivento destroy all Earths to keep one

(01:22:02):
sacred.
That's it.
And he's powerful.
He's more powerful than the Specter.
That alone is, like, doesn'tanswer any questions on how you're.
How you're more powerful thansupposedly one of the most powerful
beings in dc.
They, too.
DC does.
They.
They abuse the hell out of a retcon.

(01:22:23):
They have.
And it's Every time.
It's a cry.
Every time they do Crisis, I'mlike, they got another crisis.
Like.
Because Infinite Crisis onInfinite Earth worked out so well
for them.
It only because.
Because of cw, CW banked onGrant Gustin.

(01:22:44):
They banked on Stephen Amell.
They banked really, on thestrength of Arrow and the Flasho,
not even counting Legends ofTomorrow, not counting Black Lightning,
because Black Lightning, forsome odd reason, had to be in its
own universe.
But with those three shows,they sat there and said, you know
what?
Let's do Crisis.
And of course, every DC comicfan was like, I don't.

(01:23:06):
Don't know if you should do that.
But because of Star Power andbecause the writers.
The writers in the CW wentcompletely different.
Yes, the Monitor was involved,but it wasn't the same Monitor story
as in the comics.
Right.
They adjusted it, so that'swhy it was successful.
And at the same time, we'llalso be honest, that was probably

(01:23:26):
the outside of.
Outside of agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
that entire crossover,because, again, this is DC's first,
first moderately successfulcrossover on television with multiple
shows.
So of course, they.
They kind of cleaned housewith that.

(01:23:47):
Yeah, they banked on.
They banked on that.
It.
It was their saving grace for.
For a couple of years.
Yeah, it was just like, oh,guess what?
It's time for that yearly crossover.
And you're just like, it justgot bigger and bigger.
Exactly.
Until they just again, wolfed it.
But then again, Flash is ontoo long.
Arrow was on too long.
Legends of Tomorrow, they justlet that run like a Saturday nightlife

(01:24:08):
special.
And it was like, all right, we gotta.
We gotta cut this, Mitchell.
Because Legends of Tomorrowstarted out serious they started,
and they.
They went from not takingthemselves too serious.
And it.
I'm gonna be honest, it madeit fun once it got past the.
Okay, we don't have to stickwith the Rip Hunter and the Lords
of Time storyline.
We can just go out and do ourown thing.
Which was fine because itstill was funny in most.

(01:24:30):
In most aspects.
But.
Yeah.
Come on, man.
You right, Right.
So Bow says Crisis titles inDC is the old prostitute on the corner
trying to sell her goods toher dying day?
She is still sitting right.
Still right out there.
Might as well be Roxanne with.
Roxanne with the police plan.

(01:24:51):
Now, granted, Identity Crisisis a great.
Who done it.
Identity Crisis is a great whodunit.
But when you're goinguniverse, when you're going multiversal,
I'm like, oh, God.
Again.
But I'll tell you one that.
I'll tell you one that stillsticks to my cross.
A Batman fan.
The three Jokers.

(01:25:11):
Oh, did they ever finish that?
They did.
It was finished.
And again, this.
The story, the.
How it wrapped up was so weakthat there was no reprints.
Once that.
Once that.
The Three Jokers is one of the.
One of the DC stories thatonce it was told, you don't find

(01:25:34):
reprints anymore.
And that tells you how bad thestory actually is.
Because they try to sit thereand say, oh, well, Batman didn't
know he was fighting threejokers this entire time.
It's a straight.
It's.
And what kills me is theconcept, in theory, would have been

(01:25:55):
nice, but coming from Batman,who has figured out multiple things,
has figured out the LazarusPit, has reworked Cyborg's technology,
figured out Kryptonian tech,made Lex Luthor look bad.
But you're gonna sit there andtell me with all his intelligence,
this man didn't figure out hewas fighting three different jokers

(01:26:17):
over four decades.
It don't make no sense.
It doesn't.
Greatest detective.
Detective.
World's greatest detective,but can't figure out that you've
been fighting three different jokers.
I'm sorry.
That just.
And that's the reason why alot of Batman fans got ticked off,
because how do you callyourself the world's greatest detective?
But you couldn't figure that out.

(01:26:38):
You're your main nemesis.
Gave you nemeses now gave youthe slip for over 40 years.
And you couldn't figure outyou was fighting a different.
I'd be laughing at you too,because as I said, even the third
Joker was like the third Jokerat the end.
Sat there and said, you didnot realize that I've only been fighting

(01:27:03):
you for this many years.
He's like, I basically tookover where the second one took off
and then the first one, he's like.
And that's what's like.
You were.
I was like, he.
And he's laughing because theworld's greatest objective is now
the world's greatest punchlinebecause you've been fighting three
jokers.
And I'm just like, this.
This was not the.

(01:27:23):
This was not the one, two combination.
You were hoping it would befor a story ending.
No, it's.
It was not.
Not that great.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Like Gotham, the TV show dosomething like this too, where they
kept passing the mantle on to someone.
Red Hood.

(01:27:46):
Was it a J?
There was a Jason Todd in that show.
Wasn't it?
Like, wasn't God the show withlike all Batman villains and no Batman?
Well, there wasn't a JasonTodd, but there was a guy with the
hood and that kept on passingsomebody else.
So the J.
So the name.
Which is.
Which is canon.
That's canon, yeah.
Okay.
OG Red Hood.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So he never did mentionJason's eye.

(01:28:07):
But as you know, Gotham wasalready a hard watch for me anyway
because.
How in the world do you haverogues without Batman?
They kept pushing it too.
Don't get me wrong.
The guy who played Penguinloved him.
Oh, phenomenal.
And the guy who played EdwardNigma, you guys too.
You two nailed it.
I won't argue that even JadaPinkett's Fish Mooney was still good.

(01:28:31):
Yeah.
You know, so they.
They had some good characters,but you're just kind of like, where's
this going?
Let's listen.
Where is this going?
You like?
Because.
Because, see, now you'reintroducing certain characters that
shouldn't be here.
The.
The Poison Ivy thing is stillweird to me.

(01:28:52):
I'll just leave it at thatbear fair.
The Poison Ivy run was.
Was.
I'm like, ew, that's weird.
Someone called Chris Hansen.
It didn't make any sense at all.
But you got a point.
Not as bad as Deathstroke andTara in the Judas Contract.

(01:29:14):
Just as bad.
Thank you OG Teen Titans forlike, leaving that out of the movie.
The.
That entire art completely.
Like, oh, I could top.
I could top that and go more cringy.
I can go Norman Osborne andGwen Stacy.
Oh, God.
Since passed.
That one was on the top of the list.
Yeah, that.

(01:29:36):
Why?
Because that one I like I said whoever.
If you want to talk cringy Cringy.
And like.
And like Chris said, the sinspast storyline explain why those
two had to hook up for this story.
Oh, God, that was so awkwardlyweird, man.

(01:29:56):
Listen, anytime.
I think I'm thinking Willem Dafoe.
That's even worse.
But think about that Normanwith the waves and Gwen Stacy.
Enough to make you call ChrisHansen and Law and Order svu.
For the.
For the sake of the show,we're calling them predators now.

(01:30:20):
Predators.
I'm good with that.
Oh, my God.
That.
I'm like, oh, it's not enoughthat you have to torture Peter.
You have to torture.
Oh, my God, dude.
It just.
It just didn't make any senseat all.

(01:30:40):
But I still say cringy.
One of the cringiest momentsin mcu.
Yeah.
Look, I'm all for redoing,because I don't know if and when
we're gonna get another seasonof Cape Crusader, especially with
Bruce Tim back on board, buty' all can leave the entire, like,
him and Barb relationship outof it this time.
I don't think we needed that.

(01:31:01):
The fact that that is canon toour Justice League world is like,
yeah, got them.
It's just this ghetto, like,gutter corner where all the bad relationships
happen.
Yes, I.
We can leave that part.
Because at least in theKilling Joke, they.
At least in the Killing Joke, they.
Well, no, in the Killing Joke,they left that in.
I'm sorry.
I was in the killer.
The Killing Joke didn't havethat story at all.
That's why I was like, why?
I get that you needed to padout the run time.

(01:31:23):
You could have did literallyanything else.
Like, I did not need to seethat, let alone make a theater of
it out of it.
That was still.
Between that and the Joker.
That's still cringy.
If we're talking about badshipments, can we talk about Black
Widow and Bruce Banner in whatwas the Age of Ultron?

(01:31:44):
I didn't like that.
You didn't like.
You.
You didn't like.
You didn't.
You didn't.
You didn't want them to have ahappy ending.
No.
I mean, I could love them havea happy ending, but why would he.
Why would.
No.
It's such a weird.
Yeah.
They got Betty back on theroster, so maybe they're going to
correct the timeline.
Yeah, because I. I do get whatyou're saying, Whoopty.

(01:32:05):
Because, you know, Black Widowwas just looking to.
Looking to love somebody.
She's tried everybody else.
Let me try a nerd.
And Bruce is like, I can'tPhysically have kids.
Which.
That was a.
He's like, well, I have you, right?
I have.
Probably have irradiatedsperm, so it probably works out.
So that's the crazy part.
She's like, out of all things,like, we can't be together.

(01:32:27):
I can't have children.
It's impossible.
Well, I'm fixed, right?
And I'm thinking to myself, ofall the ways to sit there.
I was like, just the way shesaid it, it's though.
Well, they did it in the red room.
It's.
It's.
It's efficient.
And I'm thinking to myself, isanybody else feeling cringy?
That one guy sit there andsays that he's fixed?

(01:32:48):
And she's like, cool.
So am I.
And it's just.
It's just all get out.
No.
Yeah.
That wasn't like.
She was pouring on the charm.
Of course Bruce was getting nervous.
It was like those type of things.
Yeah, I'm not.
I'm not rocking.
I'm like, we want Bruce to behappy, but let's be honest.

(01:33:10):
If him and Black Widow have an.
Argument, Betty could calm him down.
Widow's running.
I don't know if it's on thelist, but retconning Wanda and.
And Pietro.
I can see that.
I. I hated that.
I'm like, oh, y'.
All.
Y' all copped out.
Y' all copped out because theycopped them.

(01:33:34):
They were mutants at first,and then after the success of the
films, they retconned theminto saying, oh, they're actually
not mutants.
Huh?
Their father's a mutant.
Yeah, their father is a whole mutant.
Like.
Like King Mutant at this point.
Yes.

(01:33:57):
I. I did.
I didn't like the fact becauseI still see Wanda and Pietro as mutants.
They.
They were born mutants.
They was always called mutantsup until that point.
They're still mutants.
True.
But you know, that.
That's what they.
That was a weird retcon to getmy head around.
I hated that.
They.
I'm like, so you had all thishistory and you just.

(01:34:22):
Why, I must say, I had anotherone because I was looking at that
CBR list, but I'm.
But Tafara, Whoopi.
I think it's y' all guys's turn.
Yeah.
Oh, so we'll do what you.
I'm gonna catch her flag for this.
We're talking about all themedia, right?

(01:34:45):
Just the comics.
Comic community.
Comics.
I. Oh, just the comics.
Oh, rats.
It might.
Trust me.
One thing comics does is dueto, like, whatever the popularity
of a film, they end upChanging things in comics.
And I hate that they do thatpretty much.

(01:35:06):
I mean, there's been a couplechanges that I quite enjoyed, you
know, making Samuel L. ActualNick Fury.
Oh, it is that.
They got that inspiration fromthe comics.
So it had to work at the sametime, folks.
And folks did complain, notrealizing that what they did was
actually very accurate becausethere are two Nick Furies.

(01:35:29):
That's it.
And as a.
You.
You do have the one that's onthe moon, of course, the one that's
running shield.
So literally, the one on themoon might as well just be the watcher.
So technically.
Technically, it's three.
You had.
You had Ultimate Nick Fury,which is where that visit visage
came from.
And then you have 616 NickFury, which is.

(01:35:50):
Marquez.
Marquez.
I want to say Jones.
Yeah, yeah.
But.
But his birth name is actuallyNick Fury Jr.
So, yeah, it just worked.
It worked.
But, yeah, not a horrible.
Not a horrible Rick.
Not so much.
Recon just added canon.

(01:36:11):
Because again, if you're gonnahave somebody that's gonna, you know,
be the embodiment of Nick Furyto where we know from low and love
from the stories, why notSimula Jackson?
Because all he's not allowedto say is his trademark word because
they have to somehow keep it pg.
But saying that word wassending straight over to R.
Who's gonna tell.
Who's gonna tell?
Sam Jackson?

(01:36:32):
No.
What you got?
I just thought of one.
Making Ms. Marvel a mutant.
Yeah.
I didn't need that.
I don't need it.
I don't like it.
I agree.
I don't.
I don't dislike her as a mutant.

(01:36:54):
No, I do.
But I like.
But it's just weird that.
Yeah.
Like, you start her out as anInhuman, and I think.
Because then humans reallywasn't in all media.
Wasn't going anywhere.
They just like, okay, whydon't we.
She's a very much loved character.
Let's kind of put her over here.
And, you know, and that'salways the part that never made any

(01:37:15):
sense, because you cannot sitthere above all else and say, okay,
well, she got our powers froma Terrigen exposure.
Okay, cool.
But like you said, they weretrying to bridge the gap and trying
to bring more readers to readagainst me and read mutants.
I'm like, okay, well, she'snot mutant.
That was one of the thingsthat they.

(01:37:35):
I feel like they did becauseof the show.
Yeah, yeah.
It is the show.
The show.
Yeah.
Like, Ahmad Vellani is.
Is a fantastic actress in this role.
It's her first role.
Acting role, period.
And she.
She does fantastically well.
Like, it's.
That's Ms. Marvel.
It's just like you see PatrickStewart, dude, you're either John

(01:37:56):
Luke Picard or you'reProfessor X.
Is.
That's.
It is what it is.
You know, Ryan Reynolds isDeadpool, flat out.
You know.
You know, up until they find a replacement.
Hugh Jackman is Wolverine.
Is.
It is.
So these are.
These roles.
So have.
Is such a.

(01:38:17):
Is such a inspiration in sucha involvement in her character.
I think they.
The writers was just like, howdo we make her and bring her over
here?
Because the TV show theInhumans, that went nowhere.
They.
They're really not trying towrite it at this point in the game.

(01:38:37):
They're probably not eventrying to write them into the MCU
canon.
There's.
There's not a lot of pushingcomics for them.
But the crazy part is Inhumanscan have a great story.
They can.
I mean, with.
I mean, with the fact of.
First off, Black Bolt.
Which.
Black Bolt.
Yes.
In.
In.
In Multiverse of Madness.

(01:39:00):
Only because somebody ran theygoddamn mouth.
Had he not said a dog on thingabout Black Bolt's powers, this would
have been over and done with.
Braggadocious in the midst ofbattle is not the best thing to do.
But no Inhumans.
Inhumans could honestly be great.
It could honestly be great.
And.
But like you said withtelevision show, which I still think

(01:39:23):
was badly written and poorlyproduced because you did more for
ages of SHIELD he did for Inhumans.
But, yeah, it.
It does suck that they.
That they'll.
If they do see the light ofday, it'll be down the line.
Yes.
Yep.
I got so tired of thembringing Jean back, I said, God dog
it.
Jean died and she'll be back,like in a week.

(01:39:47):
And that's how.
Why were you just a cameo inWolverine's bed in the Wolverine.
Because that's how they treat it.
It's like you will just.
Let's stop myself from cussing.
Sometimes you gotta let.
Sometimes you gotta let theperson just go like, okay, you.
You brought her back.
Oh, well, she.
The Phoenix brought her back.
Okay, well, the Phoenix Forceactually didn't have it.

(01:40:09):
Other people.
But at the same time, it's thereason why Phoenix Darks.
Dark.
Phoenix Dark Saga didn't dothat well, because twice we got tired
of literally seeing.
And I hate to say it.
No, no.
Knock on the actress who didplay her in the.
In the Brian Singer directories.
I get that, Jensen.

(01:40:30):
Yeah.
But again, people Got tired of it.
It's like, you won't.
It's like, at the time we wereasking for Deadpool, you kept giving
us Jean Gray.
That's about the best way Icould put it.
This is before Ryan Reynoldsand them decided to leak the footage.
And that's how we got Deadpool movies.
But we were ready to seeDeadpool because, again, it was new,
it was fresh, and we knewthat, and the right guy was there

(01:40:52):
to play him.
No offense to Jean Gray.
How many times and how many XMen movies have we seen you that
you've always been theintegral piece.
Sometimes you just need totake a step back, stay dead.
Yeah, it's far.
You got another pick.
Yeah, we got time for another pick.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'll say back to Kamala Khan.

(01:41:13):
I know her because we'retalking about the X Men.
I know her creator made her anInhuman because she was basically.
I think her deal came withpotential movie rights.
And she was just like, well,if I become an X Men now I'm stuck
over there where it's notgoing so good.
So my girls didn't human untilthat contract runs up.
Nice.

(01:41:34):
So she very much.
She played the long game onthat one.
And then once the MCU waslike, we'll bring her in.
Mutant song.
It's like, all right, let's goahead and fix this.
The way I intended to, but hadto dodge around before I ended up
in whatever y' all made after.
What?
What.
What.
What was the one that everyoneactually liked?
And then they made Phoenix 2.0 after.

(01:41:57):
Oh, yeah.
And they were just like, youknow, our contract.
So it lasts for one more.
Let's go.
Dark feeding the second timethat nobody.
Yeah, y' all could have stopped.
Y' all could have stoppedright there.
Days of futures past.
It cleared the slate.
Whole theory about the wholeDark Phoenix thing.
I still haven't watched that movie.
You're not missing anythingother than the.

(01:42:18):
Train scene, pretty much.
I refuse at this point.
I'll put it to you like this.
Just watch the train scene,walk away after that, pretty much.
You're not missing.
And here's the crazy thing.
Is not because of Jean Gray, right?
It's Magneto.
I'll also say, like, I knowother people have dated other people

(01:42:42):
in, like, the world of Spider Man.
I have never seen so manypeople celebrate a breakup until
this new, recent person, thisGiga Chad that Jean Gray has been
not g. Mary Jane has beendating in this new Venom comic.
Good.
What is the dude's name again?
Like, Paul or something.

(01:43:03):
Yeah, I feel so bad for Paul.
I've never seen so many peoplecheer for somebody to get broken
up with.
Because, you know, some peoplestill still want the Mary Jane and
Peter route, but at the sametime, I'm just like, Paul gave you.
Paul gave you the jackpotGauntlet, which is in.
I still say I was one of theworst, worst characters ever created.

(01:43:25):
Then at the same time, youdesign it to where the.
The gauntlet could kill you ifit rolls.
If it rolls sevens, thegauntlet can kill you.
And then on top of that, youknow, and then all Star Venom.
I'm not even gonna get startedon that.
All.
All brand new Venom whereshe's Venom.
I'm not gonna touch that witha ten foot pole.
But no, I missed the EddieBrock day.

(01:43:47):
Screw this.
Yeah.
I'm seeing people who arelike, I don't even want her to date
Peter.
I just don't want her with.
With Paul.
Like, please, every.
Like every issue with thatbook has been, please break up with
Paul.
Please break up with Paul.
Are we breaking up with Paulthis issue.
Man.
So, yeah, those.
Those are just what we got.

(01:44:07):
Oh, yeah, we're right on.
On top.
Yeah.
So those are just some of thepicks we have that.
That are just wildly.
Just insane or nonsensical orjust crazy.
And.
And thank you to the people inthe chat who.
Who's dropped some of some.
Some major arcs that count.

(01:44:28):
You know, I didn't mentionSuperboy prime punching reality.
Do not get me started on that one.
That.
Oh, it's screwed.
I got just enough time.
There's nothing worse thanwatching where another crisis event
in D.C. is going out, andthey're like, well, we got to get
Superboy Prime.
What's he gonna do, punch reality?

(01:44:52):
If you want to know why Ididn't buy a lot of Superman comics
in the, like, the 90s, like,after his death is because they made
him op.
Yeah.
And it.
I like, we.
I can't have Superman pushing planets.

(01:45:14):
Because.
Because what's after that?
How many times is Darkseidgonna show up?
Same with the Flash, you know?
Are you talking about his.
His new.
The mother of his stepchildrenin Harley Quinn?
No, no, not.
Not on.
Not on the same.
Oh, no, he talked.
The one that looks like.
She looks like.

(01:45:34):
Yeah, Punchline.
Yeah, yeah.
Punchline in the comics isJoker's new boo.
But not to the DC animated.
No, that's a whole.
That's a whole different ball game.
Yeah, it's.
It.
Do not make my.
Make him the most powerfulhero on Earth, but do not make him
so powerful that he's pushingplanets and can fly so fast that

(01:45:56):
he's breaking.
We already got Barry and Wallyfor that.
We don't need another one.
Like, he's flying so fast thathe can go visit the 31st century
whenever he wants.
Man.
I don't like that.
And again, that.
But like you said, it's one ofthose things where that's what kills
super.
That's what killed Superman comics.

(01:46:16):
You stop making him human.
Yeah, it was like, he's so powerful.
What's gonna stop him?
Somebody brought back Doomsday again.
Okay, I'll watch the rematchfor the second time.
But, like, how many timesyou're gonna keep bringing back this
person, this creature?
So, yeah, I was just mad.
Young justice brought back RedHood for two seasons to never use

(01:46:37):
him.
That part just over there.
Bodyguard.
Misusing characters.
That's all it is.
Well, it is that special.
Time we're getting out of here.
Whoopty.
Our lady of the evening.
Talk to the people.

(01:46:58):
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Once again.
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The sweats are going to beabsolutely abominable in there if
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(01:48:26):
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We also, I.
It's worth spending your money.
I'll say that much.
We don't because it's, it'stwo and a half hours.
Like they don't waste a lot ofthat time doing anything or like
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So it's, it is a solid likefull length feature film.
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You are sitting there for ahot minute.

(01:48:47):
Also it's in English andJapanese so whichever you prefer,
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Still working on getting othershort form and long form content
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Potentially might be able tolet y' all know about that new game

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I would say that likeDeadpool, Wolverine.
Everybody doesn't get a speech.
Spartan and Demon Slayer they do.
I'm gonna tell you that right now.
Everybody gets, everyone getsa speech.
But not, not here, not on Earth616.
I had to stop myself because Iwas about to say.

(01:49:50):
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Not the place.
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Of course we did cover for thecraziness that's going on.
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(01:50:12):
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Probably so definitely checkus out there.
Outside of that I am stillplaying Hollow Knight Silk song.
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Also talk and share your fandoms.

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We don't celebrate.
We don't.
We just listen.
We don't judge.
And we take lunch orders.
And we take lunch orders.
We offer empathy where it'sneeded and this ain't one of them.
So that's how they wanted it.
That's how they gonna get it.

(01:53:28):
Not the ice cube.
That not that's the ice cubelook from now, from this day for
forward.
That'S gonna be the ice cube response.
Oh, okay.
We will see you guys Tuesdaywith another great topic and more
news, blurred news and nerdynews that you shake a stick at.
Until then, we're out of here, girl.

(01:53:56):
Snake, are you okay?
Snake.
Snake.

(01:54:24):
Sa.

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