The inner workings of Scientology's intricate information collection system reveal how members' private confessions become public entertainment for staff and executives.
• Information collected through auditing sessions, ethics interviews, written confessions (O/Ws), and knowledge reports
• Personal information stored in multiple folder types: PC folders, ethics folders, personnel folders, student folders, and Central Files
• L. Ron Hubbard's policies dictate that no documents should ever be destroyed – a high crime in Scientology
• David Miscavige regularly shares members' sexual confessions and financial issues during meetings for entertainment
• Despite folders being marked "confidential," information is freely shared among staff and used to manipulate members
• When members leave Scientology, their folder contents are weaponized against them through selective disclosure
• Tom Cruise's auditing sessions were secretly recorded against his wishes
• Executives must report confessions that can be leveraged for donations or services
• Video recording of sessions includes multiple camera angles capturing meter readings, facial expressions, and reactions
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Secrets.
I think this is the third videoin this installment.
This is the third video in thisinstallment and we've talked
about in the past videos.
We've talked about Lord Xenuand the Body Thetans, and we've
(00:42):
talked about how RTC runs,everything, and and Scientology
Sea Org members, the people thatsign the billionaire contracts
when they go into counselingsessions or interviews or
anything where their informationis gathered.
Scientology shares that privateinformation amongst the
executives and often jokes aboutit and stuff like that.
(01:05):
So that's what we're going tocover today.
Oh, and also we have my lovelywife, Claire, joining us today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey, hey, hey, good to see everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And yeah, so, like we always do, we're going to go
through and see what we'll givepeople a chance to show up when
we do a live.
Well, is that you Can?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
you turn off my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, great Claire did something.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Sorry guys.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is there continue now .
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, I logged out.
Oh that was me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh, okay, good, Okay.
So when Claire's not jacking upthe stream, um, we're gonna, um
, we're gonna see where peopleare coming in from and um, I
actually read the instructionsfor the stream yard giveaway
tool and one year after we'vebeen using it better late than
(02:02):
never I did pretty good not everreading the instructions, but I
found out.
if you just leave the one thingblank, just if you comment on
one of our videos, youautomatically get entered in to
win at the end when we do agiveaway.
So you don't have to write anysecret words or anything.
If you just tell us whereyou're watching from, you will
(02:24):
automatically be entered in towin a giveaway.
So yeah, so we'll go throughthat real quick.
Can you see the comments?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm working on that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm going to try one more time and it's muted, so it
shouldn't be a problem, right?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, well, we're going to see.
I'm going to start reading thecomments and when Claire logs in
, if the stream gets jacked up,it's Anita.
Another Anita, hi from theNetherlands.
Hi, anita, betsy Sue, just callme Betsy.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach.
We've got Manon.
I don't know, that's a good one.
Hi from the Netherlands.
(02:57):
What's going on in theNetherlands?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Right.
Shout out to the Netherlandsfor everybody joining us.
It's so awesome.
I can see the comments now too,so I can help you.
Sherry N Yay.
Hi from Minnesota.
Awesome.
Catherine Olson in the house.
Hello from the WillametteValley.
One Love 51,000.
Hello from Pennsylvania Awesome.
(03:20):
Mary Kay London fromAlbuquerque is here Em.
Hello from Washington StateAwesome.
Mary Kay London fromAlbuquerque is here Em.
Hello from Washington StateAwesome.
And Astoria Queens, nyc.
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Voracious reader.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Nice.
Oh, by the way, hamid Oopieagain commented that he was very
happy that we did that.
Call you, got a little lipstickon.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
She, it's a she.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Hamit.
I prefer to call Hamit a man.
All right, hamit, otherwiseknown as Ham, it up again.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Daniel Sander.
Greetings from Denmark andhello from the Netherlands.
Awesome, becky, big brother fan.
Good evening, happy Sunday, oh,and you know what?
Happy birthday, becky.
There you go, karen Ortiz.
Good morning from California,harvey.
(04:20):
Hello from England, everyone.
Awesome Brighton, uk.
Oh, it's John.
Hi John.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
John.
John Page used to be an actorin LA, Los Angeles, and he used
to be involved with Scientologyand he used to shoot with the
Golden Era shoot crew.
He was in a whole bunch ofdifferent films that we shot
there.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Hey, John, different films that we shot there.
Hey, john Sasha, hi fromAustralia, nice Tracy, howdy
from Wyoming, I from near StHill in UK.
Necessary trouble is here fromMontana.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh, that's Bert pineapple by the way, bert
pineapple, there we go.
He's from the, the very famouspineapple family.
They created a fruit.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Nice Good to know.
Cool Jane from South Carolinaand Boston on board Aloha
Watching y'all from Honolulu 808State.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Awesome guys 808.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Awesome Nice.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Cool, cool, cool.
So, um, I wanted to do thisvideo because I'm not sure.
Uh, this is a really umimportant videos for
Scientologists to know about.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, you might want to switch the camera.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh me, there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Sorry, I was uh.
I was getting so excited aboutwatching Claire over there I
didn't even see which camera itwas on.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Aren't you sweet.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So there's different ways that Scientologists sort of
give their information over toScientology.
There's like three or four mainways.
There's a counseling session,like when you, when you're doing
what's called the bridge tototal freedom.
There's a training side and aprocessing side, and the
processing side is where they dothe Scientology auditing or the
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counseling.
And when you're doing thiscounseling, they tell you at the
beginning of the this is veryimportant.
They tell you at the verybeginning of the session this is
the session Okay.
And then they start asking youquestions or whatever it is, and
then whatever information isgathered during that session,
(06:38):
they write it down.
The auditor takes notes andthey have to be.
They're detailed, but they'rekind of there's.
There's a tiny bit shorthand,right.
Yeah, I mean it's kind of inbetween the exact transcription
and just the key points.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, the worksheets record any question asked, any
response, the, the, the responsefrom the person receiving the
auditing and all the reactionsof the e-meter during the
session.
Yeah, oh, and the person'sindicators.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's right, yeah, okay.
Now, in addition to that, theyvideo it and the video has audio
and video.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So they have a written record of it and then
they video it with audio andthey video.
It's three cameras, they videoand they all they.
It's like if we did like a mixof different cameras on this and
you got the whole thing in one.
That's how they record them.
So, excuse me, they record the,the, a camera of the, or now
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they actually have a digitalreadout of the meter and what
it's doing.
They have a camera that's juston the, that's on the PC and the
auditor, right, right.
And then they have a camera onthe auditor, over the back of
the head of the, of thepre-clear, the person being
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counseled.
So they have those threecameras and the audio and video
that goes with those and okay,so that's one way they capture
your info.
Okay, and in these sessionspeople give up their deepest,
darkest secrets in their entirelife and for past lives as well.
I gotta say this because thiswill be important later on.
(08:25):
Okay, then there's anotherthing called an ethics interview
.
Okay, and when you get anethics interview, a lot of times
these are done also on thee-meter, and at the beginning of
an ethics interview meter andat the beginning of an ethics
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interview, they say I am notauditing you.
Now, this is a key for later on.
As different than this is thesession, that's right.
If you say this is the session,that means you're being audited
.
If they say I am not auditingyou, then that puts this
information into anothercategory, into another bucket,
basically.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Legally.
Correct Well well, whateverWe'll get to that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay.
Then the other thing is inScientology, if you ever get in
any sort of trouble, or you'redoing a certain course that
requires you to do certainScientology procedures, or
you're doing what's calledlowered conditions or even just
the condition formulas, thereare certain times that you have
(09:32):
to do what's called OWs and thatrefers to overts and withholds.
And when somebody inScientology says that they have
to do OWs, that means that theyhave to sit down and they have
to take a piece of paper, orthey can do it on a computer,
and they have to write up all oftheir overts, things that
they've done, like deeds ormisdeeds that they've done, or
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deeds that they've done that noone's found out about and that
they have withheld.
So it's anything you've doneand people do know about, and it
also would be anything thatyou've done that nobody knows
about and you have to writethese OWs and they what?
What's the format that you haveto write them in?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Time, place, form and event.
So time when it happened, placewhere it happened, form, what
it was like Billy hit the cat,whatever and event just more
details.
Really, form and event werealways kind of a weird like.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was open to interpretation.
Yeah, and depending on whereyou worked, it was interpreted
differently, right?
But regardless, this is a verydetailed thing as well.
Yeah, regardless, this is avery detailed thing as well.
You have to write like Icrashed a car in the parking lot
and didn't tell anybody, andbecause my car wasn't damaged, I
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didn't report it or nothing.
That would be an overt and awithhold.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right, like you bring up.
There's two points I want tomake that you reminded me of.
First of all, when writing upyour overts and withholds, nine
times out of 10 is pages andpages and pages.
Like nobody ever did wrote uptheir overts and withholds and
it was just one overt written upright.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You can't just go and sit down and do one page of
something when you come backwith OWs.
It needs to be like between 10and 15 pages minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And it needs to be anything and everything.
And here's a key point Ifyou've already written it up
before, you don't have to writeit up again, right?
So if you crashed a car in theparking lot and then you wrote
that up last week, that's done,it's gone, it's in there, unless
you didn't tell all of it.
(11:53):
Unless you said, well, unlesssomebody found out.
Well, no, you crashed intothree cars.
And then it would be like okay,now you're in trouble because
you said this is all of it andit wasn't, there was more.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right Because and the whole point of writing down
time, place, form and event isto get as isness, meaning it
vanishes and it no longercarries emotional charge or
whatever but also when writingup your overts and withholds,
you're not the one who decidesif you're done.
That's right, the e-meter does.
That's right, the e-meter does.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, so after this, is that'strue?
That's another thing.
After you write up your overtsand withholds, your OWs, and a
lot of times you're supposed toget a metered.
I think they call it just ameter check.
So you just write up your OWs,you turn them in and then you go
(12:47):
and sit down in front ofsomebody.
All their job is is to justexamine people on the e-meter
and they're called the examinerand they just sit there with an
e-meter all day long in thequalifications division of the
of the place, or in the ethicsdepartment or in the ethics
department or wherever you andusually, and that that meter
(13:07):
check is for questions.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's like in this ow write-up, have you told all in
this ow write-up has a withholdbeen missed, things like that
yeah, look at claire snappingright into it with the lingo.
Um, anyway, I would love to beable to forget it.
You know, impossible.
Anyway, I like this.
Somebody said what about yourpersonal privacy and katherine.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So anyway, I would love to be able to forget it.
You know it's impossible.
Anyway, I like this.
Somebody said what about yourpersonal privacy?
And Catherine?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Olson said personal privacy.
Lol, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah.
In Scientology, yeah, no,there's no personal privacy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What's privacy?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, okay, so we got sessions, ethics interviews,
ows, okay, and then the last oneis knowledge reports.
Okay, if you do somethingthat's wrong and there's like a
whole thing that happened, Icrashed into the car and then I
broke this.
You, sometimes you have towrite a knowledge report on
yourself to give, to put thewhole of the knowledge into the
(14:03):
files.
But then the other thing isother people, if somebody saw
you crash the car, then they canwrite a knowledge report and
that also goes into your ethicsfile.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, and in fact, if they see you crash the car and
don't write a knowledge report,then they earn the same
ramifications that you would bynot reporting it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's exactly right.
If they see something that'swrong and they do not report it.
If it's found out that Icrashed the car and that Claire
knew about it and she didn'twrite it up, then she faces the
same penalties as I face forcrashing the car or whatever it
is.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, so those are the main way the information is
gathered.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, actually there's one more major one.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Which is the personnel files, because there
you have life history.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you have you know , I mean life history.
That's something we could delveinto and for an entire hour
just on that form alone.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We should just get a life history and just read it.
That should be one of them.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Because every category on that form, like it,
covers everything from yourentire life, your every friend
you've ever had, anyrelationship you've ever had
with somebody, including whatyou did with them any.
Your entire family, any mediaconnections, any government
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connections, on and on and on ingreat, great detail.
But it really does elaboratethe things that Scientology is
concerned about and also givesthem the information they need
to to be able to track you downwhen you escape.
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, we should do the life history as a separate
thing.
And also, that's almost aone-time information gathering
thing and then it sort of justsits in there for all time and
they do make you do updatesevery once in a while.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right, because for clearances for certain positions
and so forth.
Anyway, it's.
It's again just another massivebucket of information that
Scientology gathers on people.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, ok, so then, ok , so that's how they gather
information.
Now those that information issort of funneled or copied to
multiple locations.
Funneled or copied to multiplelocations so you have what's
called a student folder and anycourses or any training that you
do in Scientology, anythingrelated to that, your coursework
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, any essays or reports or meterchecks any of that when you're
doing course or Scientologytraining to be a counselor or
just to do a Scientology courseon ethics or on auditing or
whatever.
It all goes into your studentfolder.
Oh, and don't forget themultitudes of success stories
(16:56):
that's right, and every time youfinish something in Scientology
, or even if you do a certainthing and you have a great win,
they call it.
You're supposed to write up asuccess story.
That's so they have a record ofyou saying that you like this
all throughout your entireScientology journey.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, and when you finish the course, you go to the
examiner who has to check thatyou have a floating needle and
do you want someone else toachieve the knowledge you now
have?
And that's another one.
Would you like to write asuccess story?
Just FYI, it's not a question.
The answer has to be yes,otherwise you will be flunked.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, failed.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Failed, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so you have a student folder.
Then you also have an ethicsfolder and these folders that
I'm talking about.
Every Scientologist has these,whether you're a Sea Org member
or you're a paying member thatcomes into the organization and
pays them to do training orcounseling, or you're an
executive or a staff member.
Anybody in Scientology has allof these folders.
(17:59):
So you have a student folder,then you have a staff folder,
which is your employment folder.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Right your personnel.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Your personnel folder and everything, everything that
happens on your post or in yourdealings with other Scientology
members or staff members, thatall those reports and all that
data goes into your personnelfolder.
Then you also have an ethicsfolder which is anytime you're
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in trouble or you write OWs orif you go in to.
This is a double whammy.
If you go into a counselingsession and you admit that you
crashed the car, it's in thesession notes.
But if you did overts orwithholds and then got and told
them what they call getting themoff, if you got them off, it's
(18:50):
kind of weird to know that's howthey say it now, when you know,
like the other, it really is.
Yeah, he got his overts off insession.
That's how they would say it inScientology.
If he got off his overts insession, then the person who
counseled you, the auditor, issupposed to write a session
knowledge report and that willgo into your personnel folder
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and it will go into your ethicsfolder and it will go into your
pre-clear folder, or what isjust generally referred to as PC
folder, and your PC folder isall of your auditing history and
the session reports and they dothis thing every once in a
while, called a folder errorsummary, and that goes in there.
(19:34):
And L Ron Hubbard has an entireset of policy letters that are
just about the PC folder and allthe things that go into it and
where they're supposed to be inthe folder, and these things go
on the front paper paper clippedto the cover, and the cover has
to say this and all this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This part gets stapled, this part gets paper
clip, this one has a bulldogclip and this one has a rubber
band.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It is.
It's intense guys there.
There's about 87 ways to screwup a PC folder, if you didn't
know.
Okay, now, the most voluminousof all of these in most cases is
the PC folder, because you'regoing in session and every time
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you go in a session or acounseling in Scientology, every
time you go in a session or acounseling in Scientology, they
could be 50 pages of papergenerated, and so these all go
into this folder.
And some people who've been inScientology for years and years
and years could have hundreds ofthese folders.
And when they get about two orthree inches thick, these are
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all legal size file folders.
And when that file folder getstoo big and they can't stuff any
more paper into it, then theystart a new folder and then they
number that folder number one,and then the next folder is
number two and so on and theyhave.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How many folders do you did you have?
Do you remember I?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
don't know, like six I had.
I think I had like 70.
Yeah have.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How many folders do you did you have?
Do you remember?
I don't know, like six?
Oh, I had.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think I had like 70 yeah, I did literally nothing
in scientology.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You can carry all my folders in one oh, and, by the
way, mine was 70, except thatthe first two of mine were from
when I was six.
My mom actually was the firstperson who ever audited me.
Yeah, that was a disaster, butthose folders were burnt in a
fire at St Hill.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Wow, good for you Died of fire folders.
Okay, so they have.
So let's recap you got yourstudent folder, you got your
personnel folder.
You got your ethics folder andyou got your student folder.
You got your personnel folder,you got your ethics folder and
you got your PC folder.
Now in the C-Org you might alsohave a legal folder In the
(21:53):
legal department.
They'll have your visa or yourpassport or your driver's
license, any of your key infothat, legally, they want to know
about you.
Okay, so that's pretty much themain ways.
Oh, and the other thing is andHubbard also did write exactly
how the personnel folder, whatgoes in there?
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The ethics folder, the PCfolder, all the personnel folder
.
He wrote about all of thesethings in great detail.
Now, the one overriding rule inall of this, in Scientology, is
that no documents should everbe thrown away.
Ever, period, right, right.
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Nothing can be deleted.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's actually a high crime to destroy files.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, nope.
Nothing can be deleted, nothingcan be thrown away, nothing can
be given to the person.
You can't, you don't getpossession of your PC folder.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You don't get possession.
It's also a crime to look inyour own PC folder.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah Well, unless you get on once you get into the
Zinu Well but then you have adifferent.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's a different folder.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That's right, but that's your solo folder.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's not your regular folder.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's true, there's another folder, guys, I forgot
about another folder.
Um, there's so many ways forthis information to be gathered
up and then and Scientology isthe one who keeps us and you say
, well that, how could that be?
They'd have to have warehousesand warehouses for these things.
No-transcript, that just haspallet shelves on it and bankers
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boxes with these folders inthem, and it doesn't matter.
Also, it doesn't matter if youpass away your folders.
Don't pass away.
They mark them as a dead file,like if somebody passed.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
No, no, that's something else.
Dead file is a different thing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, this is a folder you have when they write
letters to you.
That's another folder actually,Just remember.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about Central Files.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Anyway, in Central Files that's another place
Anything that Scientology writesto you and you write back.
There used to be it wasbasically a pen pal situation
and they kept a record of allthese letters that went back and
forth and that's central filesand and I think that's called
your scent, it's called yourregistration.
What do they call that?
Somebody who knows what this isin the comments see if, uh, see
(24:33):
, if you can jog our memory.
See, neither one of claire.
I really worked in anorganization that delivered
scientology processing andcounseling to Scientologists.
We worked in the managementorganizations.
It's a CF folder, that's whatit's called Central Files folder
, cf folder.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
See, we weren't off, but I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
but you would never say Central Files folder, you
would only say CF folder.
Yeah of course, thank you, thatwas apostate, alex.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
CF folder there you go?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
The cult of Scientology, the cult of folders
.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, there you go.
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Anyway.
So there's all of these waysthere, and there might even be
more ways that Scientology,formerly the Guardian's office
that committed the largestinfiltration of the United
States government in its history.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They also might have a folder on you.
But also let's just talk aboutthe piece about the.
So your counseling folders,your auditing folders, your PC
folders, those are all markedconfidential confessional priest
penitent privilege information.
It's like this whole exactstatement that's stamped on
every single one of thosefolders.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So it's um private until you escape scientology
that's true, but when it allcomes out yeah, but we, we're
gonna, we're going to build upto that, okay, okay, okay.
You can't just blow the end ofthe story.
We got to build up to it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, so they have all these different folders.
Now in Scientology policy, LRon Hubbard says when the
person's getting counseling andthey confess to one of these
things like, oh, I never toldyou guys that I had this
inheritance and I got $10million for my grandmother and I
haven't socked away in thisaccount.
(26:31):
I didn't want to tell you guysbecause I know you guys are
going to try and get that moneyfrom it.
Okay, Well, when that comes upin the session, the auditor has
to go ding and remember that.
Oh, I got to remember thatBecause at the end of the
session he has to write a KR andhe had a knowledge report and
he has to then send thatknowledge report to the person
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who's supposed to get money frompeople.
And Hubbard says you got tosend that information, to share
that information with differentpeople in the organization.
So we have a little someleverage on this guy and we can
work them over and get thatmoney.
Or we can, even if you justsaid hey, I'm really upset about
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how the staff aren't gettingenough money and the org is not
doing that well and I probablycould do more and da, da, da, da
, da da, If that person got thatoff as an overt or a withhold,
then they would share that withthe registrar person and the
registrar person he wouldn't say, I know that you have this
(27:32):
thing.
He would say, yeah, if youcould sign up for this course,
it's really going to help usbecause it's going to make it so
the staff get to go out forthis award.
This weekend we're all going toget to go to see a movie if we
make this target of getting acertain amount of people signed
up, for course, Just that theyknow that this person has a
weakness that they can thenexploit in the money getting or
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signing up for whatever it is.
If there's a weakness or somesort of leverage that they can
have on you, Hubbard hasdirected the staff members to
share the information.
It doesn't matter what theinformation is.
It could be an overt thatsomebody got off that was sexual
in nature, and then the personcould say, oh, you know, you
really should sign up for thisethics course.
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And one of the things theydon't say it directly.
This is the thing they say.
You know, we there's this oneguy, Pete, who he was having all
sorts of perversions in hispersonal life and he did the
course and he's doing muchbetter, and they might give five
examples, but they might givean example that also applies to
this guy that they're dealingwith.
Right, so they basically workthe system and that, but the and
(28:42):
but the but the key part I wantto say is they're sharing the
info.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
For sure, the info gets shared, and you reminded me
of something that happenedfairly often.
If that person, let's say BillyBob, got this off, he got off
this withhold about this moneyin the session.
Yeah and the auditor forgot toreport it to ethics, and Billy
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Bob then escaped.
Oh yes, that would.
Things like that happened allthe time.
Yeah, or so the auditor wouldget would be assigned to a
committee of evidence and notreporting.
That would be absolutely partof the.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
False report, no report.
If you false, if you say, oh, Ithought it was like $2 that he
took when it was, you know,200,000, that would be a false
report.
Then if he didn't say anythingat all, that would be a no
report.
And I want to say, in mostcases the penalty for false
report or no report is the samething.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, there was like 30 different types of knowledge
reports that we were required.
Well, reports, not knowledge.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Knowledge reports is one of them.
We might even have done a videoon how many I think we did, we
did it, we did it, we should dothat too.
Oh, so many videos, so littletime Anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh, and that's another one we should do is the
crimes and high crimes.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, maybe make notes of these things.
Sure, you've got all thesegreat ideas on what videos we do
, and then we go to do a video.
We're like what are we doing avideo about?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know.
I'll think about it while I'mtaking a shower.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay, and yes, if you go to, this is a good question.
Oh, it's Catherine, it's not aquestion.
Oh, it's Catherine, it's not aquestion, she's answering
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somebody.
Question your folder goes withyou.
Or if you go to aincinnati,then when you get to cincinnati
you're like, oh, I live incincinnati now.
Then cincinnati org's likewe'll get, get on over here and
get to doing some stuff.
And then when you get therethey go oh, where were you on
course before you said I was atnew york, or.
And then the cincinnati guygoes hey, new y.
And then they take a bunch ofbankers boxes and they put all
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your folders in there and theyship them over to Cincinnati.
And now Cincinnati's got allyour folders.
Now I don't want to say thatnone of these folders has ever
been lost in transit orsomething goes wrong or somebody
intercepts them.
That's happened a million timesand people's info is just
floating around out there, okay,and then also sometimes the
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folders get damaged, so likethere's a flood and they have
all the folders in the basementand then the folders get wrecked
and then they got to do aproject to sort out the folders.
And Scientology has this allthe time.
Usually when they have one ofthese organizations that's going
to go ideal, it's going to turninto an ideal org and they're
going to move from their oldbuilding to this new historic
(31:48):
building that's been renovatedand rehabbed and it's all pretty
and fancy.
You can't bring any of thosecockroach infested folders from
the old place to the new place.
Somebody's got to go throughall those folders and take the
all the paper and make a brandnew folder for that, or for your
folder of every type of folder,of everything in for everyone
(32:12):
that has ever existed.
Half these people could be dead, it doesn't matter.
You got to make them a newfolder.
It's, it's dude.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm telling you, telling you, people okay, you
reminded me of two things.
Number one in the 70s and the80s, the worksheet paper that
they used was not just paper.
It was like the cheapest, likethis brown it was like trace
paper guys right, well, no, it'sa little thicker than that.
It wasn't transparent barely.
(32:40):
But the consistency was thatyeah.
And you also reminded me that.
So at the headquarters where weworked for you know 14, you
worked there for 15 years whensomebody was declared a
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suppressive person, theirfolders had to be gone through
and any reference of Hubbard orDavid Miscavige had to be cut
out with an X-Acto blade.
Yes, they called it the vettingproject?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right, and they have.
They literally took X-Actoknives and or razor blades or
scissors or whatever they couldget their hands on and they cut
out Hubbard's name from all ofthe documents so that he
couldn't be implicated inanything.
They what do they call thatwhen they do that?
Redacted, they redacted, butthey physically redacted.
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They cut the name out of thepaper.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And sometimes they'd be double-sided and then you'd
lose something on the other sidebecause it it just looked like
Swiss cheese when the peoplewere done.
Basically it was.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, and it was also to make it so that if the
person made any claims of havingworked with Hubbard or worked
with Miscavige or anything, itwas zero evidence of that
actually being true.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's right.
That's right, okay, okay.
So that's.
That's pretty much how theinformation is gathered and
that's pretty much how it'sshared amongst each other.
But then there's another layerof sharing that gets done so in
the C organization.
They don't got no peoplemagazine.
They don't got no TMZ, theydon't have soap operas.
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They don't have any TV.
No one in the Sears is watchingTV.
They're not reading romancenovels, they're not doing any of
that.
Not legally, anyway Not legally,not on the up and up.
So the gossip they engage in ison the other Sea Org members,
the other staff members and theother Scientologists and the
(34:41):
main fodder for the gossip isyour files.
So and I don't I can't speak onhow this works at a Scientology
like a lower level Scientologyorganization, necessarily.
I don't know how rampant thisis or how prevalent it is, but
at the internationalheadquarters and at the
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management organizations it'snonstop.
It's full time, nonstop.
If Joe goes into session and hegives up some sort of thing
that he did, if it's big, likeif he stole the candy bar,
whatever, any bar, whatever noone's going to talk about that.
But if this guy stole $5million in Uruguay eight years
(35:27):
ago, oh, it's going to be thetalk of the town.
Or if somebody cheated, like aSea Org member or a
Scientologist was messing aroundwith somebody else and they
were married or whatever, likethere was an affair, everybody
knows that by the next day.
That's like right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Remember when that happened with what's his name?
Stephen Price?
David Miscavige was spreadingthat around Like Stephen Price,
the doctor.
Stephen Price, the chiropractor.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Oh well, maybe don't out people in the in the
interwebs here, I don't know.
Well, maybe don't out people inthe interwebs here.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I don't know that he's not.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You don't know that.
He's not what.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Alive.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, I know, but that's what I'm saying You're
just.
Does his wife know about this?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, she was the one that cheated.
So yeah, she definitely didOkay, anyway.
It came up at a free wins event, okay.
Anyway, it came up at a freewins event, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Listen, we weren't supposed to say anyway, look at
Claire strike.
What do they say?
Tiger does never lose instripes.
Okay, listen, okay.
So anyway, you could go in asession at five o'clock and they
could find out about somebodywho had an infidelity, not
(36:46):
anybody in particular.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I was giving it as an example of what you were
talking about.
Yes, they spread it around.
I heard it directly from DavidMiscavige.
It's his fault, blame it on him.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay, anyway.
So what would happen is you'dgo in session and you'd say, hey
, billy slept with Jenny, andJenny's married to Bob and
Billy's married to Samantha, andthen, by by the end of the
night everybody knows- Everybodyknows.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And and sometimes, sometimes, people this is a good
one, sometimes, people this isa good one.
Sometimes, when people aregetting interrogated in these
security checks, that's anotherform of an interview, really.
It's, it's a, it's a.
I don't really know how they.
They want it, they would.
Either way, they theyinterrogate you on the e-meter
(37:37):
and they ask you a bunch ofquestions and it takes different
forms.
Yes, yeah, and if you saysomething in that in a SEC check
, a security check those are themost often shared interviews or
information is when you get oneof those, because that's when
they want the real juice.
They don't want to know aboutcandy bars and paperclips, they
(37:59):
want to know about affairs,major theft.
You know somebody getting offed.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Maybe that shouldn't have gotten off Available
dollars to be given.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, how much money you've been hiding from them
those kind of things.
External influences yeah,sharing is not caring in this
case.
Yeah, sharing is not caring inthis case as you can.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
as we've discussed so many times, he still hasn't
forgiven me for the knowledge.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Shoot, I crashed my motorcycle.
Nobody knew about it, only herknew.
Only she knew about it, and she.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I just didn't want you to, whatever, continue to
say.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Exactly Potential trouble source for all you
newbies in here.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Anyway, because I care about you.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So at the international headquarters you
could go into session in themorning and something would come
up, and then when you went tolunch muster with all of the
crew, the commanding officer ofthat organization would read out
all the things that came up inyour SEC check to the entirety
(39:08):
of the crew.
Now sometimes when people aregetting interrogated, they admit
to things that didn't happen sothat they can be done getting
interrogated.
If you say I stole thepaperclip, I borrowed Billy's
stapler, I threw away some paperthat was perfectly fine and
(39:28):
could have been used, no onecares.
But if you say I've beenwhacking off 50 times a day,
that's the end of the interview.
That's the big daddy, we got it, we know what he's been doing.
So there was one time when wewent to a lunch muster I
remember that I'll say the first.
The guy's first name was Tom,but Tom went up.
He didn't actually go up, hegot it.
(39:50):
He went and got sex checked andthen this came up that he was.
He was.
He was pleasuring himself on aroutine basis during the day
when he should have been workingon some books or editing or
something that we were workingon.
And basically the commandingofficer went up in front of the
entire crew and said hey, youknow why the books aren't
(40:12):
getting done is because we justfound out that Tom's been
whacking off 50 times a day.
And of course, anybody who's adude knows that's pretty much
impossible.
That's not going to happen.
50 times is a little much,unless you have some kind of
mutant superpowers.
50 times is silliness andridiculous.
And but this guy, they, they,they, they basically said, and
(40:36):
as fact, he did it, it was,that's what he's been doing.
Right, anybody who could domath going like that doesn't
really add up, but either way,um, that is the kind of thing
that would happen Now.
That would be just be at atgolden era productions, at.
If you were in meetings withDavid Miscavige, he would in the
middle of a meeting, it couldbe a four hour meeting.
(40:59):
The very beginning of themeeting he would say you know
what?
I just found out, that thiswhole book, there was typos in
the what Is Scientology booksand there was three pages that
were upside down blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
And the person in charge ofprinting the what Is Scientology
book you're going to go get sexchecked.
And then somebody in themeeting would take him and go do
a security check and then, whenyou're in the meeting, he's
(41:25):
getting the updates on what thatperson is confessing to and
then announcing them.
The person is still in thesession but because they're
videoing it and recording it,somebody can be taking notes as
he's confessing things and gofrom there to the meeting and
then give those to DavidMiscavige.
And David Miscavige would belike I just found out that this
guy's been playing grab ass withthis gal and then they go grab
(41:48):
that gal and go get her in asession and now he's getting
updates from her sex check andhis sex check and the meeting is
still going on.
Now, if David Miscavige was theone telling you, it could be
anyone in all of Scientologythat he's talking about.
We heard about members publicmembers, not CEO members, not
(42:12):
employees, not staff members.
We heard about public civilianScientologists that are paying
for stuff in Australia.
We're getting the deets oftheir counseling sessions.
So anything that, anything thatcomes up, is fodder for the
(42:37):
gossip within Scientology, and Idon't know we may.
Maybe next time we havesomebody or some, or Catherine
could tell us how it?
Um, is this happen at the lowermanagement levels?
Do they just share all thisstuff and everybody knows
everybody's you know nonsense.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Anyway.
So so the key, the takeaway, isthat anything that you tell
Scientology, there's no limit onhow many people can see that
information Right.
It could be seen by, it's goingto be seen by at least five or
six people, just the people thatdeal with it.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, and the information will be used however
it serves David Miscavige andthe scientology organization
there.
You should never have it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
There's no expectation of anything being
off limits, yeah and the otherthing is it can be used against
you when you're in scientologyand it says on your folder that
this is confidential and allthat other stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
But when you that's really just for the lawyers and
for legal to keep.
Keep those folders from makingit out because of how it's
insane it makes them lookbecause they are yeah totally
neat.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, that's right that for legal reasons it says
this is confidential information, but it's not confidential
within Scientology at all.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's only confidential, that they don't
want it to get out fromScientology, Right?
Anyway, when you leaveScientology, when you say hasta
mañana, I'm out of here, adios.
Now, all of those folders, theyall everything your pre-career
(44:24):
folder, your, your staff, yourstudent folder, your person, all
of that goes to OSA or RTC.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Everything.
And the crazy thing is is thatin the I want to say in the
nineties, scientology realizedthat they might have to stop
using as much paper as they'reusing and so they started
scanning all these things.
Now they're not throwing awaythe paper versions, but they're
(44:53):
scanning everything regardlessnow.
So anything that happens inScientology, they scan it and it
goes into a database it'scalled the data files and every
single person in Scientology andall of these things that we've
all been talking about the hardcopies exist at their local
(45:13):
organization, but the softcopies that are scanned they
exist in the database thatpretty much anyone that has
access to different levels ofthe database just has.
So if you're at theInternational Management and you
work in Religious TechnologyCenter at the very, very top of
Scientology, david Miscavige'spersonal organization, you can
(45:33):
just type in Mark Headley andit's going to pull up every
single report or any file that Iever had.
They will be able to see everysingle possible thing and they
will if you did do somethinglike, say, you did take a candy
bar from a liquor store when youwere nine, or whatever, and
(45:55):
that's in your folder becauseyou've given your life history
and you've talked about anythingyou did or anything bad you did
, as you've given your lifehistory and you've talked about
anything you did or anything badyou did, or you got it off in a
session, then they will saythief.
Or if you say, oh, I lied toBilly, I told him it was, we had
made 10 widgets and we onlymade 19 widgets, or 18 widgets,
then that will become this couldhave happened in 1986, when you
(46:18):
were 17, or whatever, andthey're going to write thief and
liar because they have youadmitting that you stole the
candy bar and that you lied toBilly.
So now you're thief and liar.
Um, anyway, so they can do,they can work that up or spin
that up whichever way they want,and they will and they do and
(46:41):
they have, and they will alsomake a mountain out of a
molehill sometimes as well.
But in addition, so you have thethreat of your information just
being shared willy-nilly aboutyou, personal information that
people are genuinely confessingbecause they wanna be better,
(47:03):
and they're told if you tell usthis information, you're going
to feel better and you're goingto have a better life and you're
not going to be hiding thingsor whatever.
And meanwhile the staff arejoking about you in the mess
hall at dinnertime and laughingand screaming about how silly it
is this thing that you did, oryou know, some weird sexual
(47:23):
thing that happened when youwere 18.
It could happen 10 years ago.
Oh, that's the other thing.
Oh my God, it just so.
There would be times whensomebody would get sent off to
one of these sessions and thisactually happened.
I have a great example of thisand we'll be, and that'll be.
Then we'll go to the questionsand we'll go to?
Oh, I have something, oh welllet me tell you to tell yours,
(47:45):
cause mine's definitely a showender show Okay, Well, the the
perfect example is in your SPdeclare.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
They said you um, whatever word they used you were
responsible for embezzling $700because you didn't tell them
that when you sold $40,000 ofequipment on eBay there would be
eBay fees, and because youdidn't get that approved, that
counted as embezzlement rightand so then.
But then it went becamethousands of dollars I think the
(48:15):
most recent statement was byTommy Davis.
It's like $40,000.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It was it actually started out.
It was tens of thousands.
Yeah, it started out as 250,right, that's what it was when
we were there, right, and it waslike, hey, you got to sort this
out.
There's 250 on the cat for it'slike, and then you're skipping
an ebay fees.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yes, and you said, well, I'll pay it then.
And they're like nope, youcan't do that.
This is a financialirregularity.
You are going to join thewalking dead yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
If you have a financial that's a funny thing
in Scientology.
If you, if you it's any sort offinancial crime or improper
financial dealings, l RonHubbard says you will join the
walking dead which is so ironic,yeah, because the walking dead
wasn't even a TV show.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
But not only that, but he was having bankers boxes
of cash shipped across statelines Like.
What a hypocrite.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, that's not where the hypocrite list starts
or ends.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I know, I know, just saying.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Okay, Anyway, so there was this one meeting we
were in and I've told this storybefore, but it is a fun story.
We were in a meeting with DavidMiscavige and he said I want to
say it was for a Dianeticsevent, for a May 9th anniversary
of Dianetics and the Dianeticsvideos we were shooting and
(49:34):
Dianetics co-auditing, thathappens out in the world, all
these different things.
Anyway, this guy, this guy inthe meeting, David Miscavige was
not having good thoughts abouthim and he said you know what?
(49:56):
That guy's got something goingon.
He needs to go get sex checked.
And they just picked him up outof the meeting and took him off
to go get sex checked.
And they just picked him up outof the meeting and took him off
to go get sex checked.
Now, I knew this guy because wewere roommates and, um, Claire
and I lived in one half of a twobedroom apartment and him and
his wife lived at the other half.
I think we were actually attheir wedding.
(50:17):
We were yeah, we were.
I think Claire might've evenbeen in the wedding party.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I was a bridesmaid.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, okay, so we knew these people, and we're not
going to mention any names,though.
Claire.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I know Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Got to watch out for her.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I closed the valve.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Loose lips sink ships .
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay, anyway, so she Sharing is not caring.
Is that your?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
point.
Sharing is not caring.
Ok, gosh, you mind wipe me withit with the name thing.
Ok, so the guy goes off to getchecked and then, while we're in
the meeting, David Miscavigegoes.
Oh my gosh, you are never goingto believe this guy has been in
(51:00):
the meeting.
David Miscavige said that guyin the meeting.
When I said that guy's gotsomething going on, he was
fantasizing about me giving,pleasuring him, Like the guy.
The guy confessed that he wasdaydreaming about David
Miscavige pleasuring him underthe table kind of thing.
And this guy got his stuffpacked up.
(51:23):
Um, he, his needle was floating, he had a great interview, he
had a great sec check, whatever,his stuff was packed off and he
was driven off the property.
We never saw him ever again.
And this guy I will tell you hewas a genius.
That's the most heterosexualdude you're ever going to meet
and he just made this up becausehe knew this was his big chance
(51:45):
If he cause.
He knew how the system works.
He knew David Miscavige wouldget updated and then David
Miscavige would rash, we'll justmake a rash decision to get
this guy out of here, right?
And he was gone.
He was kicked out of the SeaOrg and flown to another place,
like I think he was flown toCanada or something.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Like get him out of the country.
I've never seen someone get outso fast.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, ever and this.
So this guy knew how the system, so he used the whole system in
his favor to just basically geta.
Just a.
Catherine says Mark, can youtell us his name?
No, I don't want to tell.
Well, I mean, it's actually,it's kind of a funny story.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
But I don't know if I'll talk to the guy.
I'm in touch with him.
Yeah, he's very, he's doingvery well for himself.
Yes, I'll ask him and see if.
And see.
Somebody said Love Food Kitchen.
Hashtag sharing is clearing.
Good one Good one Love FoodKitchen.
(52:47):
Anything I can use in the offtime while we're not doing
videos is great.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Sharing is clearing.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I'm definitely going to use that.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Anyway, so Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Regardless David Miscavige, and that's another
thing.
If you are a Scientologist andyou're confessing to something
that is sexual in nature, davidMiscavige is going to find out
about it no matter what, becausethat's his thing, that's what
he loves.
I don't think I've heard himwow, you know what I'm actually
(53:22):
going to go on as saying I'd say, 95% of the things that he
shared, like this, were allsexual in nature.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
It was not really the only other ones that he
mentioned.
But you're right, that was themajority.
But the other ones that hereally went on a roll about was
financial irregularities.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
That's true If it was money.
Sex and money, those were histwo big things he liked to talk
about.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
He always used to say follow the money.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, of course.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Everybody says, follow the money, because that's
a real thing.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Okay.
So yeah, the moral of the storyis don't tell Scientology
nothing and also don't even getinvolved with them.
There's a whole lot of nonsensehappening over there and also
don't even get involved withthem.
There's a whole lot of nonsensehappening over there and it's
not going to in the.
At the end of the day, I have atheory in life that there are
consumers and there areproducers, and some people are
(54:16):
both.
They consume and they produce.
Scientology is just a parasiticorganization.
They don't make anything ofthat's.
That's good for anybody.
They just consume.
They consume people, theyconsume their resources, they
consume money.
It's just a suck.
It's just a time suck, a lifesuck, everything sucks.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
A consumer and a destroyer.
Scientology is both of thosethings Destroyer of anything
that matters, destroyer offamilies, destroyer of sanity.
I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Destroyer and consumer.
That's a good way to put itthis is an inside.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
I don't know where Harvey Denton is from, besides a
.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
DM has a thing about prison.
Prison grape as well,apparently.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah he does not.
He talks about prison grape allthe time, um whenever you know.
He says another thing here too.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
I don't know if I said this and that's why he's
saying it whenever criminal wasmentioned, he used to go on
these hour-long tirades about itI think harvey is not.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Uh, I think harvey and knows a lot of things,
because everything he said is100 true.
Whenever we did a video aboutcriminon, which is one of
scientology's front groups, um,it didn't matter what we were
doing, as long as there was a.
If we saw a video and there wasa prison and there was
prisoners, david mizcow, wouldyou be like you know what
happens when you go to prison?
Right, and he would 100, uh say, tell all about that yep um,
(55:52):
anyway, okay, are we ready to dosome uh giveaways?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
yes, let's do it, and then we'll do.
So, we'll do some questions yepokay.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Well, let me do the questions first, because we do
the giveaway.
The last things, um, I don'tlike like to do do.
Oh, look at, this is a greatone.
I'm guessing cruz and miscavigesessions are not recorded?
You wanted?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
yeah, cruz's sessions were recorded without his
authorization.
He specifically told martyrathbun that that his sessions
were not to be recorded.
This was when they were gettinghim back after he had almost
gotten out of Scientology, andso, instead of following Tom's
request to not have his sessionsrecorded, marty just promptly
(56:38):
put in hidden cameras andrecorded them anyway.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, they just-.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
And I know that because I saw the videos myself.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, and we also.
So we in Scientologyorganizations for these video
sessions.
Where you're going in and beingvideoed, there are rooms that
you can see the cameras andeveryone knows and you sign a
document saying that you're okaywith these being recorded
because we're using it forquality control purposes.
(57:07):
Scientology was using thatquality control purposes since
the 60s.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It came from a lecture called Talk on a Basic
Qual.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, and Hubbard said, you record these things
and if anybody asks you say no,no, this is so we can correct
the counselors.
Right, we need to see whatthey're doing wrong and so we
can correct them.
We don't care about yourinformation that we just have
anyway and that we will useagainst you.
Anyway, so that you're beingrecorded is known in a lot of
(57:41):
cases and you sign somethingthat says you can be recorded
but if you ask not to berecorded, you just get moved to
a room where we made picturecams and alarm clock cams and
smoke detector cams.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Oh, and, by the way, to answer the part of the
question about Miscavige,miscavige sessions are not
recorded mainly because hehasn't been in sessions since
1993, which was before they wererecording sessions.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, thank you for reminding me of to mention that.
Yeah, so Tom Cruise sessions100% being recorded, dave
Miscavige's sessions not beingrecorded because he's not doing
any and we want to go on.
Oh, I mean, when we were there,from two from the 90s to 2005,
david muscavige did not go insession.
(58:29):
From 1993 to 2005 he did notever go in session once.
Um, according to him he didn't.
Right now we're not saying wedidn't see him go in session.
No, he said I'm not going insession until X happens and he
didn't.
He kept true to his word.
So that's another thing.
(58:51):
He and he didn't.
David Miscavige knows all abouteverything that Hubbard wrote
and he picks and chooses whatHubbard really wrote and what
Hubbard didn't write based onwhat's good for Miscavige.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, he didn't have to do two and a half hours a day
study either like the rest ofus minions.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Okay, buck buddy, we know DM is nuts.
David Miscavige, do tall SeaOrc members catch extra crap
when dealing with him?
Due to their height, do theytend to try and sit in his
presence so as not to tower overthe little psycho?
Speaker 1 (59:27):
I don't know about that.
And he is.
I don't think that that'd bepossible because he is so short
that everyone is tall comparedto him.
I mean, he really is like you.
Just think about the guys thathe worked with ray midoff, six
feet and over mark yeager, markyeager, six foot and over tall.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
these guys are tall, these guys are all tall dudes.
Marty Raffin, tall yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Mike Rinder's not short, I mean Mike Rinder's 5'11
or 5'10.
My height he was about as highas I am.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
I'm 5'7.
I was tall too.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I don't really think he couldbe biased like that because
everyone's tall compared to him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Burb Life question have more people been declared
SP than there are Scientologists?
Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
In 1993, the list was like 20,000 suppressives.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I think at this point even Hubbard would agree that
his two and a half percent ofthe population is suppressive,
is wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yes.
According to David Miscavige,97 and a half percent of the
people are suppressive and onlytwo and a half percent are not.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Right.
Oh no, it was a two and a halfpercent suppressive and 20% PTS.
That's right.
Yeah, but there you go?
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
yeah, it's.
That's a great question becauseum l ron hubbard, when he first
started doing scientology andit started getting really big,
he had this place in englandcalled saint hill apostate alex
knows all about it and um, andthat's where they he had, that's
where he kind of created themodel of the Scientology
(01:01:07):
organization that exists today.
That was pretty much maturedand created at this place in
East Grinstead in England calledSt Hill.
Single person I want to saythat Hubbard worked with and did
(01:01:29):
stuff with at St Hill has beensince declared a suppressive
person.
There's not one person thatworked there that left
Scientology that didn't get adeclared suppressive, or that
the ones that are still around,hubbard kept track of them in
Gotham and the Sea, or DavidMiscavige has been keeping track
of them in Gotham and the Sea,or David Miscavige has been
keeping track of them andkeeping them under control so
that they don't say what reallyhappened, or you know some of
(01:01:52):
the stuff that Hubbard was up to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yep, rosemary Brown, could you sue if you were
recorded in a state thatrequires permission To be fair?
I think that that's a Iremember this name?
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Could you sue if you were recorded in a state that
requires permission?
Well, so that's the whole point, though, where they use their
documents, and if you've signeda document that says you can
then, you know you can't sue.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
The reason why they get away with a lot of this
sorry, I didn't put the cameraover on you when you were
yapping there.
One of the main reasons theyget away with this is you sign a
document saying it's okay toopen my mail, it's okay to
record me, it's okay to do allthese things to me, and then you
also say it's for my religiousbeliefs that I want this to
(01:02:42):
happen.
Right, that's how and that's thelittle that's the little tag
that is there to get out of jailfree card for all of this.
Is that no?
No, this is my religious rightto be recorded.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And you agree to the arbitration clause.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
That's right, and I will never sue you, right, and I
will never come after you foranything, right, because this is
I'm making myself better asreligious.
This is my religious freedom,right?
And so when, when somebody says, um, hey, uh, I want to sue
Scientology, scientology willactually argue on your behalf.
(01:03:16):
Look, use, we're doing this foryour religious freedom.
You can't sue us or yourreligion, and you're like what?
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Okay, we ready.
Where's this?
Let me just see.
Oh, you know, I didn't even getthe share screen.
Let me get it going here andthen we'll do a share and then
we'll find it.
Where is the giveaway?
Is it going to do it?
No, it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Nope, oh, there it is , there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Okay, oops.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
So just a reminder there is no while he messes
around with that.
There's no secret word thisweek.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
There's no secret word.
If you just comment, you'reautomatically entered and one
comment gets you entered.
You don't have to enter 17different times and, as you guys
can see, we have the that's arecord number of entries 112.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
There we go, so we're going to draw you ready.
Oh and before we forget, a lotof times people write in to us
or they go to the Blown for Goodstore and they donate, or they
buy something, and then there'sa donation button and sometimes
people donate an extra amountand they say, please put this
towards a giveaway on thechannel.
Yes, and those people aremostly the same people that say,
(01:04:25):
oh, just give my prize tosomebody else, but we thank you
guys for that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yes, we appreciate it .
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Okay, I'm going to draw.
Here we go.
Hit the draw button.
Oh, there we go, it's on, okay.
I always like it when I see myname or when I see people
apostate Alex almost got someaction.
Okay.
I see people who apostate Alexalmost got some action, okay.
Jane.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yes, Congratulations, Jane.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Send me an email, claireatblownforgoodcom with a
link to whatever you would likefrom either the Blown for Good
merch store or the SP shop.
Awesome, perfect.
Okay, let me get this out ofthere.
Poof, oh, hey.
Hey, there we go.
That was pretty good.
I think we did good today.
We had some good questions.
We had some good audiencequestions.
Claire got to talk a little bit.
(01:05:11):
You know people always get onmy case like talk we let her
talk.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You knew I was tired today.
Oh, we had, we went and partiedlast night.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
We're part of another nonprofit, or members, I guess,
of another nonprofit herelocally.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I, another nonprofit, or members, I guess, of another
nonprofit here locally.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I volunteer for them too, yeah, and Claire volunteers
, and so they had a littleshindig last night.
So Claire and I got to, we gotto go out, we got to have a date
night.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, oh, and also I would like to take a moment to
mention that next Saturday, 3 pmMountain Time, 5 pm Eastern
Time, we will be doing aone-hour fundraiser dedicated to
the Aftermath Foundation theMichael J Rinder Aftermath
Foundation news and updates, andwe will have some very special
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We're very much looking forwardto it.
Nothing but foundation news.
So there you go.
Tune in if you'd like tosupport our efforts.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, catherine said billboard news, We'll you go and
if you'd like to support ourefforts.
Yeah, catherine said billboardnews We'll talk about.
We'll talk about that and thatthing.
But for those of you who followTony Ortega on the underground
bunker, scientology is gettingall worked up over the
billboards.
We knew they would, but we havefound their button.
Yeah, they really really theyreally don't like it when we do
(01:06:28):
things that we do so, and theydon't like it when we do these
videos.
And that's another reason whywe like to talk about Xenu and
the body Thetans, we like totalk about the confidential
operating Thetan levels, becausethat is kind of like kryptonite
for Scientology.
They can't really, they can'treally just spread.
Oh, you guys got to go and messwith these guys, Because then
(01:06:48):
when people watch our stuff,they find out about Xeno and the
Body Thetans.
By the way, whoever gets thatband name Xeno and the Body
Thetans, I'll play your songs onthe channel.
I mean, of course, we're goingto play a band called Xeno and
the Body Thetans.
Yeah there you go, anyway, butso that kind of messes them up.
But the billboard thingdefinitely has got them hot and
(01:07:12):
bothered.
The other reason we know thatthey're hot and bothered is
they're starting up new stuff.
They have hate websites on us.
They've had those up since, youknow.
Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Rebecca made a great comment here.
Cults don't like being called acult.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, cults don't like being called a cult.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
You know what Scientology really hates when
you talk about them being a cult.
Um, yes, so, um, yeah, we knowthat we're doing something.
It's funny, this is an SP.
I'm going to give you guys anSP life hack.
If you're talking smack aboutScientology and you're exposing
(01:07:58):
them and they care about it andthey're worried about it, then
they're going to do something toyou.
They're going to put out a hatewebsite or they're going to do
this or and so when they do morethings like that and we
somebody says, hey, by the way,I just saw this went up and I go
like, oh, great, and then I gookay, well, we must be on the
right track.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, it's like a pat on the back.
We're doing the right thing.
Let's keep on doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, anyway.
So that's all that, anythingelse, I think we did it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
We did it.
We've made it to the very end,folks.
Thanks to all the many peoplewho joined us today.
We appreciate it.
It was good to see you and wehope you tune in on Saturday,
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Perfect guys.
And then you mind-mite me.
I was going to tell yousomething.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I've been doing that a lot today apparently.
Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I know.
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Sorry, honey, I can't remember what it was.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Secrets.
I think this is the third videoin this installment.
This is the third video in thisinstallment and we've talked
about in the past videos.
We've talked about Lord Xenuand the Body Thetans, and we've
(00:42):
talked about how RTC runs,everything, and and Scientology
Sea Org members, the people thatsign the billionaire contracts
when they go into counselingsessions or interviews or
anything where their informationis gathered.
Scientology shares that privateinformation amongst the
executives and often jokes aboutit and stuff like that.
(01:05):
So that's what we're going tocover today.
Oh, and also we have my lovelywife, Claire, joining us today.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Hey, hey, hey, good to see everybody.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
And yeah, so, like we always do, we're going to go
through and see what we'll givepeople a chance to show up when
we do a live.
Well, is that you Can?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
you turn off my bad.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, great Claire did something.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Sorry guys.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Is there continue now .
Speaker 2 (01:39):
No, I logged out.
Oh that was me.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Oh, okay, good, Okay.
So when Claire's not jacking upthe stream, um, we're gonna, um
, we're gonna see where peopleare coming in from and um, I
actually read the instructionsfor the stream yard giveaway
tool and one year after we'vebeen using it better late than
(02:02):
never I did pretty good not everreading the instructions, but I
found out.
if you just leave the one thingblank, just if you comment on
one of our videos, youautomatically get entered in to
win at the end when we do agiveaway.
So you don't have to write anysecret words or anything.
If you just tell us whereyou're watching from, you will
(02:24):
automatically be entered in towin a giveaway.
So yeah, so we'll go throughthat real quick.
Can you see the comments?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I'm working on that.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm going to try one more time and it's muted, so it
shouldn't be a problem, right?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, well, we're going to see.
I'm going to start reading thecomments and when Claire logs in
, if the stream gets jacked up,it's Anita.
Another Anita, hi from theNetherlands.
Hi, anita, betsy Sue, just callme Betsy.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach.
We've got Manon.
I don't know, that's a good one.
Hi from the Netherlands.
(02:57):
What's going on in theNetherlands?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Right.
Shout out to the Netherlandsfor everybody joining us.
It's so awesome.
I can see the comments now too,so I can help you.
Sherry N Yay.
Hi from Minnesota.
Awesome.
Catherine Olson in the house.
Hello from the WillametteValley.
One Love 51,000.
Hello from Pennsylvania Awesome.
(03:20):
Mary Kay London fromAlbuquerque is here Em.
Hello from Washington StateAwesome.
Mary Kay London fromAlbuquerque is here Em.
Hello from Washington StateAwesome.
And Astoria Queens, nyc.
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Voracious reader.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Nice.
Oh, by the way, hamid Oopieagain commented that he was very
happy that we did that.
Call you, got a little lipstickon.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
She, it's a she.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
Hamit.
I prefer to call Hamit a man.
All right, hamit, otherwiseknown as Ham, it up again.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Daniel Sander.
Greetings from Denmark andhello from the Netherlands.
Awesome, becky, big brother fan.
Good evening, happy Sunday, oh,and you know what?
Happy birthday, becky.
There you go, karen Ortiz.
Good morning from California,harvey.
(04:20):
Hello from England, everyone.
Awesome Brighton, uk.
Oh, it's John.
Hi John.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
John.
John Page used to be an actorin LA, Los Angeles, and he used
to be involved with Scientologyand he used to shoot with the
Golden Era shoot crew.
He was in a whole bunch ofdifferent films that we shot
there.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Hey, John, different films that we shot there.
Hey, john Sasha, hi fromAustralia, nice Tracy, howdy
from Wyoming, I from near StHill in UK.
Necessary trouble is here fromMontana.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Oh, that's Bert pineapple by the way, bert
pineapple, there we go.
He's from the, the very famouspineapple family.
They created a fruit.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Nice Good to know.
Cool Jane from South Carolinaand Boston on board Aloha
Watching y'all from Honolulu 808State.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Awesome guys 808.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Awesome Nice.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Cool, cool, cool.
So, um, I wanted to do thisvideo because I'm not sure.
Uh, this is a really umimportant videos for
Scientologists to know about.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, you might want to switch the camera.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh me, there you go.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Sorry, I was uh.
I was getting so excited aboutwatching Claire over there I
didn't even see which camera itwas on.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
Aren't you sweet.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
So there's different ways that Scientologists sort of
give their information over toScientology.
There's like three or four mainways.
There's a counseling session,like when you, when you're doing
what's called the bridge tototal freedom.
There's a training side and aprocessing side, and the
processing side is where they dothe Scientology auditing or the
(06:15):
counseling.
And when you're doing thiscounseling, they tell you at the
beginning of the this is veryimportant.
They tell you at the verybeginning of the session this is
the session Okay.
And then they start asking youquestions or whatever it is, and
then whatever information isgathered during that session,
(06:38):
they write it down.
The auditor takes notes andthey have to be.
They're detailed, but they'rekind of there's.
There's a tiny bit shorthand,right.
Yeah, I mean it's kind of inbetween the exact transcription
and just the key points.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Yeah, the worksheets record any question asked, any
response, the, the, the responsefrom the person receiving the
auditing and all the reactionsof the e-meter during the
session.
Yeah, oh, and the person'sindicators.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
That's right, yeah, okay.
Now, in addition to that, theyvideo it and the video has audio
and video.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Mm-hmm.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
So they have a written record of it and then
they video it with audio andthey video.
It's three cameras, they videoand they all they.
It's like if we did like a mixof different cameras on this and
you got the whole thing in one.
That's how they record them.
So, excuse me, they record the,the, a camera of the, or now
(07:42):
they actually have a digitalreadout of the meter and what
it's doing.
They have a camera that's juston the, that's on the PC and the
auditor, right, right.
And then they have a camera onthe auditor, over the back of
the head of the, of thepre-clear, the person being
(08:03):
counseled.
So they have those threecameras and the audio and video
that goes with those and okay,so that's one way they capture
your info.
Okay, and in these sessionspeople give up their deepest,
darkest secrets in their entirelife and for past lives as well.
I gotta say this because thiswill be important later on.
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Okay, then there's anotherthing called an ethics interview
.
Okay, and when you get anethics interview, a lot of times
these are done also on thee-meter, and at the beginning of
an ethics interview meter andat the beginning of an ethics
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interview, they say I am notauditing you.
Now, this is a key for later on.
As different than this is thesession, that's right.
If you say this is the session,that means you're being audited
.
If they say I am not auditingyou, then that puts this
information into anothercategory, into another bucket,
basically.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Legally.
Correct Well well, whateverWe'll get to that as well.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Okay.
Then the other thing is inScientology, if you ever get in
any sort of trouble, or you'redoing a certain course that
requires you to do certainScientology procedures, or
you're doing what's calledlowered conditions or even just
the condition formulas, thereare certain times that you have
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to do what's called OWs and thatrefers to overts and withholds.
And when somebody inScientology says that they have
to do OWs, that means that theyhave to sit down and they have
to take a piece of paper, orthey can do it on a computer,
and they have to write up all oftheir overts, things that
they've done, like deeds ormisdeeds that they've done, or
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deeds that they've done that noone's found out about and that
they have withheld.
So it's anything you've doneand people do know about, and it
also would be anything thatyou've done that nobody knows
about and you have to writethese OWs and they what?
What's the format that you haveto write them in?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Time, place, form and event.
So time when it happened, placewhere it happened, form, what
it was like Billy hit the cat,whatever and event just more
details.
Really, form and event werealways kind of a weird like.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
It was open to interpretation.
Yeah, and depending on whereyou worked, it was interpreted
differently, right?
But regardless, this is a verydetailed thing as well.
Yeah, regardless, this is avery detailed thing as well.
You have to write like Icrashed a car in the parking lot
and didn't tell anybody, andbecause my car wasn't damaged, I
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didn't report it or nothing.
That would be an overt and awithhold.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Right, like you bring up.
There's two points I want tomake that you reminded me of.
First of all, when writing upyour overts and withholds, nine
times out of 10 is pages andpages and pages.
Like nobody ever did wrote uptheir overts and withholds and
it was just one overt written upright.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
You can't just go and sit down and do one page of
something when you come backwith OWs.
It needs to be like between 10and 15 pages minimum.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
And it needs to be anything and everything.
And here's a key point Ifyou've already written it up
before, you don't have to writeit up again, right?
So if you crashed a car in theparking lot and then you wrote
that up last week, that's done,it's gone, it's in there, unless
you didn't tell all of it.
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Unless you said, well, unlesssomebody found out.
Well, no, you crashed intothree cars.
And then it would be like okay,now you're in trouble because
you said this is all of it andit wasn't, there was more.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Right Because and the whole point of writing down
time, place, form and event isto get as isness, meaning it
vanishes and it no longercarries emotional charge or
whatever but also when writingup your overts and withholds,
you're not the one who decidesif you're done.
That's right, the e-meter does.
That's right, the e-meter does.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
That's right.
That's right.
Yeah, so after this, is that'strue?
That's another thing.
After you write up your overtsand withholds, your OWs, and a
lot of times you're supposed toget a metered.
I think they call it just ameter check.
So you just write up your OWs,you turn them in and then you go
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and sit down in front ofsomebody.
All their job is is to justexamine people on the e-meter
and they're called the examinerand they just sit there with an
e-meter all day long in thequalifications division of the
of the place, or in the ethicsdepartment or in the ethics
department or wherever you andusually, and that that meter
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check is for questions.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
It's like in this ow write-up, have you told all in
this ow write-up has a withholdbeen missed, things like that
yeah, look at claire snappingright into it with the lingo.
Um, anyway, I would love to beable to forget it.
You know, impossible.
Anyway, I like this.
Somebody said what about yourpersonal privacy and katherine.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
So anyway, I would love to be able to forget it.
You know it's impossible.
Anyway, I like this.
Somebody said what about yourpersonal privacy?
And Catherine?
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Olson said personal privacy.
Lol, right exactly.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Yeah.
In Scientology, yeah, no,there's no personal privacy.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What's privacy?
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Okay, okay, so we got sessions, ethics interviews,
ows, okay, and then the last oneis knowledge reports.
Okay, if you do somethingthat's wrong and there's like a
whole thing that happened, Icrashed into the car and then I
broke this.
You, sometimes you have towrite a knowledge report on
yourself to give, to put thewhole of the knowledge into the
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files.
But then the other thing isother people, if somebody saw
you crash the car, then they canwrite a knowledge report and
that also goes into your ethicsfile.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, and in fact, if they see you crash the car and
don't write a knowledge report,then they earn the same
ramifications that you would bynot reporting it.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
That's exactly right.
If they see something that'swrong and they do not report it.
If it's found out that Icrashed the car and that Claire
knew about it and she didn'twrite it up, then she faces the
same penalties as I face forcrashing the car or whatever it
is.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Okay, so those are the main way the information is
gathered.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Well, actually there's one more major one.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Which is the personnel files, because there
you have life history.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
And you have you know , I mean life history.
That's something we could delveinto and for an entire hour
just on that form alone.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
We should just get a life history and just read it.
That should be one of them.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
Because every category on that form, like it,
covers everything from yourentire life, your every friend
you've ever had, anyrelationship you've ever had
with somebody, including whatyou did with them any.
Your entire family, any mediaconnections, any government
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connections, on and on and on ingreat, great detail.
But it really does elaboratethe things that Scientology is
concerned about and also givesthem the information they need
to to be able to track you downwhen you escape.
Things like that.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Yeah, we should do the life history as a separate
thing.
And also, that's almost aone-time information gathering
thing and then it sort of justsits in there for all time and
they do make you do updatesevery once in a while.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Right, because for clearances for certain positions
and so forth.
Anyway, it's.
It's again just another massivebucket of information that
Scientology gathers on people.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Yeah, ok, so then, ok , so that's how they gather
information.
Now those that information issort of funneled or copied to
multiple locations.
Funneled or copied to multiplelocations so you have what's
called a student folder and anycourses or any training that you
do in Scientology, anythingrelated to that, your coursework
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, any essays or reports or meterchecks any of that when you're
doing course or Scientologytraining to be a counselor or
just to do a Scientology courseon ethics or on auditing or
whatever.
It all goes into your studentfolder.
Oh, and don't forget themultitudes of success stories
(16:56):
that's right, and every time youfinish something in Scientology
, or even if you do a certainthing and you have a great win,
they call it.
You're supposed to write up asuccess story.
That's so they have a record ofyou saying that you like this
all throughout your entireScientology journey.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Right, and when you finish the course, you go to the
examiner who has to check thatyou have a floating needle and
do you want someone else toachieve the knowledge you now
have?
And that's another one.
Would you like to write asuccess story?
Just FYI, it's not a question.
The answer has to be yes,otherwise you will be flunked.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, failed.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Failed, there you go.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so you have a student folder.
Then you also have an ethicsfolder and these folders that
I'm talking about.
Every Scientologist has these,whether you're a Sea Org member
or you're a paying member thatcomes into the organization and
pays them to do training orcounseling, or you're an
executive or a staff member.
Anybody in Scientology has allof these folders.
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So you have a student folder,then you have a staff folder,
which is your employment folder.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Right your personnel.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Your personnel folder and everything, everything that
happens on your post or in yourdealings with other Scientology
members or staff members, thatall those reports and all that
data goes into your personnelfolder.
Then you also have an ethicsfolder which is anytime you're
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in trouble or you write OWs orif you go in to.
This is a double whammy.
If you go into a counselingsession and you admit that you
crashed the car, it's in thesession notes.
But if you did overts orwithholds and then got and told
them what they call getting themoff, if you got them off, it's
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kind of weird to know that's howthey say it now, when you know,
like the other, it really is.
Yeah, he got his overts off insession.
That's how they would say it inScientology.
If he got off his overts insession, then the person who
counseled you, the auditor, issupposed to write a session
knowledge report and that willgo into your personnel folder
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and it will go into your ethicsfolder and it will go into your
pre-clear folder, or what isjust generally referred to as PC
folder, and your PC folder isall of your auditing history and
the session reports and they dothis thing every once in a
while, called a folder errorsummary, and that goes in there.
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And L Ron Hubbard has an entireset of policy letters that are
just about the PC folder and allthe things that go into it and
where they're supposed to be inthe folder, and these things go
on the front paper paper clippedto the cover, and the cover has
to say this and all this.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
This part gets stapled, this part gets paper
clip, this one has a bulldogclip and this one has a rubber
band.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It is.
It's intense guys there.
There's about 87 ways to screwup a PC folder, if you didn't
know.
Okay, now, the most voluminousof all of these in most cases is
the PC folder, because you'regoing in session and every time
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you go in a session or acounseling in Scientology, every
time you go in a session or acounseling in Scientology, they
could be 50 pages of papergenerated, and so these all go
into this folder.
And some people who've been inScientology for years and years
and years could have hundreds ofthese folders.
And when they get about two orthree inches thick, these are
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all legal size file folders.
And when that file folder getstoo big and they can't stuff any
more paper into it, then theystart a new folder and then they
number that folder number one,and then the next folder is
number two and so on and theyhave.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How many folders do you did you have?
Do you remember I?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
don't know, like six I had.
I think I had like 70.
Yeah have.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
How many folders do you did you have?
Do you remember?
I don't know, like six?
Oh, I had.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think I had like 70 yeah, I did literally nothing
in scientology.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
You can carry all my folders in one oh, and, by the
way, mine was 70, except thatthe first two of mine were from
when I was six.
My mom actually was the firstperson who ever audited me.
Yeah, that was a disaster, butthose folders were burnt in a
fire at St Hill.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Wow, good for you Died of fire folders.
Okay, so they have.
So let's recap you got yourstudent folder, you got your
personnel folder.
You got your ethics folder andyou got your student folder.
You got your personnel folder,you got your ethics folder and
you got your PC folder.
Now in the C-Org you might alsohave a legal folder In the
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legal department.
They'll have your visa or yourpassport or your driver's
license, any of your key infothat, legally, they want to know
about you.
Okay, so that's pretty much themain ways.
Oh, and the other thing is andHubbard also did write exactly
how the personnel folder, whatgoes in there?
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The ethics folder, the PCfolder, all the personnel folder
.
He wrote about all of thesethings in great detail.
Now, the one overriding rule inall of this, in Scientology, is
that no documents should everbe thrown away.
Ever, period, right, right.
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Nothing can be deleted.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
It's actually a high crime to destroy files.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, nope.
Nothing can be deleted, nothingcan be thrown away, nothing can
be given to the person.
You can't, you don't getpossession of your PC folder.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
You don't get possession.
It's also a crime to look inyour own PC folder.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Yeah Well, unless you get on once you get into the
Zinu Well but then you have adifferent.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
That's a different folder.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
That's right, but that's your solo folder.
That's right.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
It's not your regular folder.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
That's true, there's another folder, guys, I forgot
about another folder.
Um, there's so many ways forthis information to be gathered
up and then and Scientology isthe one who keeps us and you say
, well that, how could that be?
They'd have to have warehousesand warehouses for these things.
No-transcript, that just haspallet shelves on it and bankers
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boxes with these folders inthem, and it doesn't matter.
Also, it doesn't matter if youpass away your folders.
Don't pass away.
They mark them as a dead file,like if somebody passed.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
No, no, that's something else.
Dead file is a different thing.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, this is a folder you have when they write
letters to you.
That's another folder actually,Just remember.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about Central Files.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Anyway, in Central Files that's another place
Anything that Scientology writesto you and you write back.
There used to be it wasbasically a pen pal situation
and they kept a record of allthese letters that went back and
forth and that's central filesand and I think that's called
your scent, it's called yourregistration.
What do they call that?
Somebody who knows what this isin the comments see if, uh, see
(24:33):
, if you can jog our memory.
See, neither one of claire.
I really worked in anorganization that delivered
scientology processing andcounseling to Scientologists.
We worked in the managementorganizations.
It's a CF folder, that's whatit's called Central Files folder
, cf folder.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
See, we weren't off, but I remember.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
but you would never say Central Files folder, you
would only say CF folder.
Yeah of course, thank you, thatwas apostate, alex.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
CF folder there you go?
Speaker 1 (25:02):
The cult of Scientology, the cult of folders
.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Right, there you go.
That's a good one.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
Anyway.
So there's all of these waysthere, and there might even be
more ways that Scientology,formerly the Guardian's office
that committed the largestinfiltration of the United
States government in its history.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They also might have a folder on you.
But also let's just talk aboutthe piece about the.
So your counseling folders,your auditing folders, your PC
folders, those are all markedconfidential confessional priest
penitent privilege information.
It's like this whole exactstatement that's stamped on
every single one of thosefolders.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So it's um private until you escape scientology
that's true, but when it allcomes out yeah, but we, we're
gonna, we're going to build upto that, okay, okay, okay.
You can't just blow the end ofthe story.
We got to build up to it.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Okay, so they have all these different folders.
Now in Scientology policy, LRon Hubbard says when the
person's getting counseling andthey confess to one of these
things like, oh, I never toldyou guys that I had this
inheritance and I got $10million for my grandmother and I
haven't socked away in thisaccount.
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I didn't want to tell you guysbecause I know you guys are
going to try and get that moneyfrom it.
Okay, Well, when that comes upin the session, the auditor has
to go ding and remember that.
Oh, I got to remember thatBecause at the end of the
session he has to write a KR andhe had a knowledge report and
he has to then send thatknowledge report to the person
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who's supposed to get money frompeople.
And Hubbard says you got tosend that information, to share
that information with differentpeople in the organization.
So we have a little someleverage on this guy and we can
work them over and get thatmoney.
Or we can, even if you justsaid hey, I'm really upset about
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how the staff aren't gettingenough money and the org is not
doing that well and I probablycould do more and da, da, da, da
, da da, If that person got thatoff as an overt or a withhold,
then they would share that withthe registrar person and the
registrar person he wouldn't say, I know that you have this
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thing.
He would say, yeah, if youcould sign up for this course,
it's really going to help usbecause it's going to make it so
the staff get to go out forthis award.
This weekend we're all going toget to go to see a movie if we
make this target of getting acertain amount of people signed
up, for course, Just that theyknow that this person has a
weakness that they can thenexploit in the money getting or
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signing up for whatever it is.
If there's a weakness or somesort of leverage that they can
have on you, Hubbard hasdirected the staff members to
share the information.
It doesn't matter what theinformation is.
It could be an overt thatsomebody got off that was sexual
in nature, and then the personcould say, oh, you know, you
really should sign up for thisethics course.
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And one of the things theydon't say it directly.
This is the thing they say.
You know, we there's this oneguy, Pete, who he was having all
sorts of perversions in hispersonal life and he did the
course and he's doing muchbetter, and they might give five
examples, but they might givean example that also applies to
this guy that they're dealingwith.
Right, so they basically workthe system and that, but the and
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but the but the key part I wantto say is they're sharing the
info.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
For sure, the info gets shared, and you reminded me
of something that happenedfairly often.
If that person, let's say BillyBob, got this off, he got off
this withhold about this moneyin the session.
Yeah and the auditor forgot toreport it to ethics, and Billy
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Bob then escaped.
Oh yes, that would.
Things like that happened allthe time.
Yeah, or so the auditor wouldget would be assigned to a
committee of evidence and notreporting.
That would be absolutely partof the.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
False report, no report.
If you false, if you say, oh, Ithought it was like $2 that he
took when it was, you know,200,000, that would be a false
report.
Then if he didn't say anythingat all, that would be a no
report.
And I want to say, in mostcases the penalty for false
report or no report is the samething.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Yeah, there was like 30 different types of knowledge
reports that we were required.
Well, reports, not knowledge.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Knowledge reports is one of them.
We might even have done a videoon how many I think we did, we
did it, we did it, we should dothat too.
Oh, so many videos, so littletime Anyway.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh, and that's another one we should do is the
crimes and high crimes.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Well, maybe make notes of these things.
Sure, you've got all thesegreat ideas on what videos we do
, and then we go to do a video.
We're like what are we doing avideo about?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
I don't know.
I'll think about it while I'mtaking a shower.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Okay, and yes, if you go to, this is a good question.
Oh, it's Catherine, it's not aquestion.
Oh, it's Catherine, it's not aquestion, she's answering
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somebody.
Question your folder goes withyou.
Or if you go to aincinnati,then when you get to cincinnati
you're like, oh, I live incincinnati now.
Then cincinnati org's likewe'll get, get on over here and
get to doing some stuff.
And then when you get therethey go oh, where were you on
course before you said I was atnew york, or.
And then the cincinnati guygoes hey, new y.
And then they take a bunch ofbankers boxes and they put all
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your folders in there and theyship them over to Cincinnati.
And now Cincinnati's got allyour folders.
Now I don't want to say thatnone of these folders has ever
been lost in transit orsomething goes wrong or somebody
intercepts them.
That's happened a million timesand people's info is just
floating around out there, okay,and then also sometimes the
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folders get damaged, so likethere's a flood and they have
all the folders in the basementand then the folders get wrecked
and then they got to do aproject to sort out the folders.
And Scientology has this allthe time.
Usually when they have one ofthese organizations that's going
to go ideal, it's going to turninto an ideal org and they're
going to move from their oldbuilding to this new historic
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building that's been renovatedand rehabbed and it's all pretty
and fancy.
You can't bring any of thosecockroach infested folders from
the old place to the new place.
Somebody's got to go throughall those folders and take the
all the paper and make a brandnew folder for that, or for your
folder of every type of folder,of everything in for everyone
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that has ever existed.
Half these people could be dead, it doesn't matter.
You got to make them a newfolder.
It's, it's dude.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I'm telling you, telling you, people okay, you
reminded me of two things.
Number one in the 70s and the80s, the worksheet paper that
they used was not just paper.
It was like the cheapest, likethis brown it was like trace
paper guys right, well, no, it'sa little thicker than that.
It wasn't transparent barely.
(32:40):
But the consistency was thatyeah.
And you also reminded me that.
So at the headquarters where weworked for you know 14, you
worked there for 15 years whensomebody was declared a
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suppressive person, theirfolders had to be gone through
and any reference of Hubbard orDavid Miscavige had to be cut
out with an X-Acto blade.
Yes, they called it the vettingproject?
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Right, and they have.
They literally took X-Actoknives and or razor blades or
scissors or whatever they couldget their hands on and they cut
out Hubbard's name from all ofthe documents so that he
couldn't be implicated inanything.
They what do they call thatwhen they do that?
Redacted, they redacted, butthey physically redacted.
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They cut the name out of thepaper.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
And sometimes they'd be double-sided and then you'd
lose something on the other sidebecause it it just looked like
Swiss cheese when the peoplewere done.
Basically it was.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
Yeah, and it was also to make it so that if the
person made any claims of havingworked with Hubbard or worked
with Miscavige or anything, itwas zero evidence of that
actually being true.
Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's right.
That's right, okay, okay.
So that's.
That's pretty much how theinformation is gathered and
that's pretty much how it'sshared amongst each other.
But then there's another layerof sharing that gets done so in
the C organization.
They don't got no peoplemagazine.
They don't got no TMZ, theydon't have soap operas.
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They don't have any TV.
No one in the Sears is watchingTV.
They're not reading romancenovels, they're not doing any of
that.
Not legally, anyway Not legally,not on the up and up.
So the gossip they engage in ison the other Sea Org members,
the other staff members and theother Scientologists and the
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main fodder for the gossip isyour files.
So and I don't I can't speak onhow this works at a Scientology
like a lower level Scientologyorganization, necessarily.
I don't know how rampant thisis or how prevalent it is, but
at the internationalheadquarters and at the
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management organizations it'snonstop.
It's full time, nonstop.
If Joe goes into session and hegives up some sort of thing
that he did, if it's big, likeif he stole the candy bar,
whatever, any bar, whatever noone's going to talk about that.
But if this guy stole $5million in Uruguay eight years
(35:27):
ago, oh, it's going to be thetalk of the town.
Or if somebody cheated, like aSea Org member or a
Scientologist was messing aroundwith somebody else and they
were married or whatever, likethere was an affair, everybody
knows that by the next day.
That's like right.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Remember when that happened with what's his name?
Stephen Price?
David Miscavige was spreadingthat around Like Stephen Price,
the doctor.
Stephen Price, the chiropractor.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Is he still alive?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Oh well, maybe don't out people in the in the
interwebs here, I don't know.
Well, maybe don't out people inthe interwebs here.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I don't know that he's not.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
You don't know that.
He's not what.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Alive.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Well, I know, but that's what I'm saying You're
just.
Does his wife know about this?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, she was the one that cheated.
So yeah, she definitely didOkay, anyway.
It came up at a free wins event, okay.
Anyway, it came up at a freewins event, okay.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Listen, we weren't supposed to say anyway, look at
Claire strike.
What do they say?
Tiger does never lose instripes.
Okay, listen, okay.
So anyway, you could go in asession at five o'clock and they
could find out about somebodywho had an infidelity, not
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anybody in particular.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I was giving it as an example of what you were
talking about.
Yes, they spread it around.
I heard it directly from DavidMiscavige.
It's his fault, blame it on him.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
Okay, anyway.
So what would happen is you'dgo in session and you'd say, hey
, billy slept with Jenny, andJenny's married to Bob and
Billy's married to Samantha, andthen, by by the end of the
night everybody knows- Everybodyknows.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Everybody knows.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And and sometimes, sometimes, people this is a good
one, sometimes, people this isa good one.
Sometimes, when people aregetting interrogated in these
security checks, that's anotherform of an interview, really.
It's, it's a, it's a.
I don't really know how they.
They want it, they would.
Either way, they theyinterrogate you on the e-meter
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and they ask you a bunch ofquestions and it takes different
forms.
Yes, yeah, and if you saysomething in that in a SEC check
, a security check those are themost often shared interviews or
information is when you get oneof those, because that's when
they want the real juice.
They don't want to know aboutcandy bars and paperclips, they
(37:59):
want to know about affairs,major theft.
You know somebody getting offed.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Maybe that shouldn't have gotten off Available
dollars to be given.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, how much money you've been hiding from them
those kind of things.
External influences yeah,sharing is not caring in this
case.
Yeah, sharing is not caring inthis case as you can.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
as we've discussed so many times, he still hasn't
forgiven me for the knowledge.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Shoot, I crashed my motorcycle.
Nobody knew about it, only herknew.
Only she knew about it, and she.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
I just didn't want you to, whatever, continue to
say.
Speaker 1 (38:40):
Exactly Potential trouble source for all you
newbies in here.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
Anyway, because I care about you.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
So at the international headquarters you
could go into session in themorning and something would come
up, and then when you went tolunch muster with all of the
crew, the commanding officer ofthat organization would read out
all the things that came up inyour SEC check to the entirety
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of the crew.
Now sometimes when people aregetting interrogated, they admit
to things that didn't happen sothat they can be done getting
interrogated.
If you say I stole thepaperclip, I borrowed Billy's
stapler, I threw away some paperthat was perfectly fine and
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could have been used, no onecares.
But if you say I've beenwhacking off 50 times a day,
that's the end of the interview.
That's the big daddy, we got it, we know what he's been doing.
So there was one time when wewent to a lunch muster I
remember that I'll say the first.
The guy's first name was Tom,but Tom went up.
He didn't actually go up, hegot it.
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He went and got sex checked andthen this came up that he was.
He was.
He was pleasuring himself on aroutine basis during the day
when he should have been workingon some books or editing or
something that we were workingon.
And basically the commandingofficer went up in front of the
entire crew and said hey, youknow why the books aren't
(40:12):
getting done is because we justfound out that Tom's been
whacking off 50 times a day.
And of course, anybody who's adude knows that's pretty much
impossible.
That's not going to happen.
50 times is a little much,unless you have some kind of
mutant superpowers.
50 times is silliness andridiculous.
And but this guy, they, they,they, they basically said, and
(40:36):
as fact, he did it, it was,that's what he's been doing.
Right, anybody who could domath going like that doesn't
really add up, but either way,um, that is the kind of thing
that would happen Now.
That would be just be at atgolden era productions, at.
If you were in meetings withDavid Miscavige, he would in the
middle of a meeting, it couldbe a four hour meeting.
(40:59):
The very beginning of themeeting he would say you know
what?
I just found out, that thiswhole book, there was typos in
the what Is Scientology booksand there was three pages that
were upside down blah, blah,blah, blah, blah, blah.
And the person in charge ofprinting the what Is Scientology
book you're going to go get sexchecked.
And then somebody in themeeting would take him and go do
a security check and then, whenyou're in the meeting, he's
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getting the updates on what thatperson is confessing to and
then announcing them.
The person is still in thesession but because they're
videoing it and recording it,somebody can be taking notes as
he's confessing things and gofrom there to the meeting and
then give those to DavidMiscavige.
And David Miscavige would belike I just found out that this
guy's been playing grab ass withthis gal and then they go grab
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that gal and go get her in asession and now he's getting
updates from her sex check andhis sex check and the meeting is
still going on.
Now, if David Miscavige was theone telling you, it could be
anyone in all of Scientologythat he's talking about.
We heard about members publicmembers, not CEO members, not
(42:12):
employees, not staff members.
We heard about public civilianScientologists that are paying
for stuff in Australia.
We're getting the deets oftheir counseling sessions.
So anything that, anything thatcomes up, is fodder for the
(42:37):
gossip within Scientology, and Idon't know we may.
Maybe next time we havesomebody or some, or Catherine
could tell us how it?
Um, is this happen at the lowermanagement levels?
Do they just share all thisstuff and everybody knows
everybody's you know nonsense.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
It's so crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Anyway.
So so the key, the takeaway, isthat anything that you tell
Scientology, there's no limit onhow many people can see that
information Right.
It could be seen by, it's goingto be seen by at least five or
six people, just the people thatdeal with it.
Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, and the information will be used however
it serves David Miscavige andthe scientology organization
there.
You should never have it.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
There's no expectation of anything being
off limits, yeah and the otherthing is it can be used against
you when you're in scientologyand it says on your folder that
this is confidential and allthat other stuff.
Speaker 2 (43:41):
But when you that's really just for the lawyers and
for legal to keep.
Keep those folders from makingit out because of how it's
insane it makes them lookbecause they are yeah totally
neat.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, that's right that for legal reasons it says
this is confidential information, but it's not confidential
within Scientology at all.
Speaker 2 (44:02):
No.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
It's only confidential, that they don't
want it to get out fromScientology, Right?
Anyway, when you leaveScientology, when you say hasta
mañana, I'm out of here, adios.
Now, all of those folders, theyall everything your pre-career
(44:24):
folder, your, your staff, yourstudent folder, your person, all
of that goes to OSA or RTC.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Everything.
And the crazy thing is is thatin the I want to say in the
nineties, scientology realizedthat they might have to stop
using as much paper as they'reusing and so they started
scanning all these things.
Now they're not throwing awaythe paper versions, but they're
(44:53):
scanning everything regardlessnow.
So anything that happens inScientology, they scan it and it
goes into a database it'scalled the data files and every
single person in Scientology andall of these things that we've
all been talking about the hardcopies exist at their local
(45:13):
organization, but the softcopies that are scanned they
exist in the database thatpretty much anyone that has
access to different levels ofthe database just has.
So if you're at theInternational Management and you
work in Religious TechnologyCenter at the very, very top of
Scientology, david Miscavige'spersonal organization, you can
(45:33):
just type in Mark Headley andit's going to pull up every
single report or any file that Iever had.
They will be able to see everysingle possible thing and they
will if you did do somethinglike, say, you did take a candy
bar from a liquor store when youwere nine, or whatever, and
(45:55):
that's in your folder becauseyou've given your life history
and you've talked about anythingyou did or anything bad you did
, as you've given your lifehistory and you've talked about
anything you did or anything badyou did, or you got it off in a
session, then they will saythief.
Or if you say, oh, I lied toBilly, I told him it was, we had
made 10 widgets and we onlymade 19 widgets, or 18 widgets,
then that will become this couldhave happened in 1986, when you
(46:18):
were 17, or whatever, andthey're going to write thief and
liar because they have youadmitting that you stole the
candy bar and that you lied toBilly.
So now you're thief and liar.
Um, anyway, so they can do,they can work that up or spin
that up whichever way they want,and they will and they do and
(46:41):
they have, and they will alsomake a mountain out of a
molehill sometimes as well.
But in addition, so you have thethreat of your information just
being shared willy-nilly aboutyou, personal information that
people are genuinely confessingbecause they wanna be better,
(47:03):
and they're told if you tell usthis information, you're going
to feel better and you're goingto have a better life and you're
not going to be hiding thingsor whatever.
And meanwhile the staff arejoking about you in the mess
hall at dinnertime and laughingand screaming about how silly it
is this thing that you did, oryou know, some weird sexual
(47:23):
thing that happened when youwere 18.
It could happen 10 years ago.
Oh, that's the other thing.
Oh my God, it just so.
There would be times whensomebody would get sent off to
one of these sessions and thisactually happened.
I have a great example of thisand we'll be, and that'll be.
Then we'll go to the questionsand we'll go to?
Oh, I have something, oh welllet me tell you to tell yours,
(47:45):
cause mine's definitely a showender show Okay, Well, the the
perfect example is in your SPdeclare.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
They said you um, whatever word they used you were
responsible for embezzling $700because you didn't tell them
that when you sold $40,000 ofequipment on eBay there would be
eBay fees, and because youdidn't get that approved, that
counted as embezzlement rightand so then.
But then it went becamethousands of dollars I think the
(48:15):
most recent statement was byTommy Davis.
It's like $40,000.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
It was it actually started out.
It was tens of thousands.
Yeah, it started out as 250,right, that's what it was when
we were there, right, and it waslike, hey, you got to sort this
out.
There's 250 on the cat for it'slike, and then you're skipping
an ebay fees.
Speaker 2 (48:31):
Yes, and you said, well, I'll pay it then.
And they're like nope, youcan't do that.
This is a financialirregularity.
You are going to join thewalking dead yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
If you have a financial that's a funny thing
in Scientology.
If you, if you it's any sort offinancial crime or improper
financial dealings, l RonHubbard says you will join the
walking dead which is so ironic,yeah, because the walking dead
wasn't even a TV show.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
But not only that, but he was having bankers boxes
of cash shipped across statelines Like.
What a hypocrite.
Speaker 1 (49:07):
Yeah, that's not where the hypocrite list starts
or ends.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
I know, I know, just saying.
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Okay, Anyway, so there was this one meeting we
were in and I've told this storybefore, but it is a fun story.
We were in a meeting with DavidMiscavige and he said I want to
say it was for a Dianeticsevent, for a May 9th anniversary
of Dianetics and the Dianeticsvideos we were shooting and
(49:34):
Dianetics co-auditing, thathappens out in the world, all
these different things.
Anyway, this guy, this guy inthe meeting, David Miscavige was
not having good thoughts abouthim and he said you know what?
(49:56):
That guy's got something goingon.
He needs to go get sex checked.
And they just picked him up outof the meeting and took him off
to go get sex checked.
And they just picked him up outof the meeting and took him off
to go get sex checked.
Now, I knew this guy because wewere roommates and, um, Claire
and I lived in one half of a twobedroom apartment and him and
his wife lived at the other half.
I think we were actually attheir wedding.
(50:17):
We were yeah, we were.
I think Claire might've evenbeen in the wedding party.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
Yeah, I was a bridesmaid.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
Yeah, okay, so we knew these people, and we're not
going to mention any names,though.
Claire.
Speaker 2 (50:28):
I know Okay.
Speaker 1 (50:30):
Got to watch out for her.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I closed the valve.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Loose lips sink ships .
Speaker 2 (50:35):
Okay, anyway, so she Sharing is not caring.
Is that your?
Speaker 1 (50:39):
point.
Sharing is not caring.
Ok, gosh, you mind wipe me withit with the name thing.
Ok, so the guy goes off to getchecked and then, while we're in
the meeting, David Miscavigegoes.
Oh my gosh, you are never goingto believe this guy has been in
(51:00):
the meeting.
David Miscavige said that guyin the meeting.
When I said that guy's gotsomething going on, he was
fantasizing about me giving,pleasuring him, Like the guy.
The guy confessed that he wasdaydreaming about David
Miscavige pleasuring him underthe table kind of thing.
And this guy got his stuffpacked up.
(51:23):
Um, he, his needle was floating, he had a great interview, he
had a great sec check, whatever,his stuff was packed off and he
was driven off the property.
We never saw him ever again.
And this guy I will tell you hewas a genius.
That's the most heterosexualdude you're ever going to meet
and he just made this up becausehe knew this was his big chance
(51:45):
If he cause.
He knew how the system works.
He knew David Miscavige wouldget updated and then David
Miscavige would rash, we'll justmake a rash decision to get
this guy out of here, right?
And he was gone.
He was kicked out of the SeaOrg and flown to another place,
like I think he was flown toCanada or something.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
Like get him out of the country.
I've never seen someone get outso fast.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, ever and this.
So this guy knew how the system, so he used the whole system in
his favor to just basically geta.
Just a.
Catherine says Mark, can youtell us his name?
No, I don't want to tell.
Well, I mean, it's actually,it's kind of a funny story.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
But I don't know if I'll talk to the guy.
I'm in touch with him.
Yeah, he's very, he's doingvery well for himself.
Yes, I'll ask him and see if.
And see.
Somebody said Love Food Kitchen.
Hashtag sharing is clearing.
Good one Good one Love FoodKitchen.
(52:47):
Anything I can use in the offtime while we're not doing
videos is great.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Sharing is clearing.
Speaker 1 (52:54):
I'm definitely going to use that.
Speaker 2 (52:56):
Anyway, so Thanks a lot.
Speaker 1 (52:58):
Regardless David Miscavige, and that's another
thing.
If you are a Scientologist andyou're confessing to something
that is sexual in nature, davidMiscavige is going to find out
about it no matter what, becausethat's his thing, that's what
he loves.
I don't think I've heard himwow, you know what I'm actually
(53:22):
going to go on as saying I'd say, 95% of the things that he
shared, like this, were allsexual in nature.
Speaker 2 (53:28):
It was not really the only other ones that he
mentioned.
But you're right, that was themajority.
But the other ones that hereally went on a roll about was
financial irregularities.
Speaker 1 (53:39):
That's true If it was money.
Sex and money, those were histwo big things he liked to talk
about.
Speaker 2 (53:44):
He always used to say follow the money.
Speaker 1 (53:45):
Yeah, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Well, of course.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
Everybody says, follow the money, because that's
a real thing.
Speaker 2 (53:50):
I know.
Speaker 1 (53:51):
Okay.
So yeah, the moral of the storyis don't tell Scientology
nothing and also don't even getinvolved with them.
There's a whole lot of nonsensehappening over there and also
don't even get involved withthem.
There's a whole lot of nonsensehappening over there and it's
not going to in the.
At the end of the day, I have atheory in life that there are
consumers and there areproducers, and some people are
(54:16):
both.
They consume and they produce.
Scientology is just a parasiticorganization.
They don't make anything ofthat's.
That's good for anybody.
They just consume.
They consume people, theyconsume their resources, they
consume money.
It's just a suck.
It's just a time suck, a lifesuck, everything sucks.
Speaker 2 (54:39):
A consumer and a destroyer.
Scientology is both of thosethings Destroyer of anything
that matters, destroyer offamilies, destroyer of sanity.
I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
Destroyer and consumer.
That's a good way to put itthis is an inside.
Speaker 1 (55:00):
I don't know where Harvey Denton is from, besides a
.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
DM has a thing about prison.
Prison grape as well,apparently.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Yeah he does not.
He talks about prison grape allthe time, um whenever you know.
He says another thing here too.
Speaker 2 (55:16):
I don't know if I said this and that's why he's
saying it whenever criminal wasmentioned, he used to go on
these hour-long tirades about itI think harvey is not.
Speaker 1 (55:27):
Uh, I think harvey and knows a lot of things,
because everything he said is100 true.
Whenever we did a video aboutcriminon, which is one of
scientology's front groups, um,it didn't matter what we were
doing, as long as there was a.
If we saw a video and there wasa prison and there was
prisoners, david mizcow, wouldyou be like you know what
happens when you go to prison?
Right, and he would 100, uh say, tell all about that yep um,
(55:52):
anyway, okay, are we ready to dosome uh giveaways?
Speaker 2 (55:56):
yes, let's do it, and then we'll do.
So, we'll do some questions yepokay.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
Well, let me do the questions first, because we do
the giveaway.
The last things, um, I don'tlike like to do do.
Oh, look at, this is a greatone.
I'm guessing cruz and miscavigesessions are not recorded?
You wanted?
Speaker 2 (56:13):
yeah, cruz's sessions were recorded without his
authorization.
He specifically told martyrathbun that that his sessions
were not to be recorded.
This was when they were gettinghim back after he had almost
gotten out of Scientology, andso, instead of following Tom's
request to not have his sessionsrecorded, marty just promptly
(56:38):
put in hidden cameras andrecorded them anyway.
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:42):
Yeah, they just-.
Speaker 2 (56:43):
And I know that because I saw the videos myself.
Speaker 1 (56:46):
Yeah, and we also.
So we in Scientologyorganizations for these video
sessions.
Where you're going in and beingvideoed, there are rooms that
you can see the cameras andeveryone knows and you sign a
document saying that you're okaywith these being recorded
because we're using it forquality control purposes.
(57:07):
Scientology was using thatquality control purposes since
the 60s.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
It came from a lecture called Talk on a Basic
Qual.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, and Hubbard said, you record these things
and if anybody asks you say no,no, this is so we can correct
the counselors.
Right, we need to see whatthey're doing wrong and so we
can correct them.
We don't care about yourinformation that we just have
anyway and that we will useagainst you.
Anyway, so that you're beingrecorded is known in a lot of
(57:41):
cases and you sign somethingthat says you can be recorded
but if you ask not to berecorded, you just get moved to
a room where we made picturecams and alarm clock cams and
smoke detector cams.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Oh, and, by the way, to answer the part of the
question about Miscavige,miscavige sessions are not
recorded mainly because hehasn't been in sessions since
1993, which was before they wererecording sessions.
Speaker 1 (58:08):
Yeah, thank you for reminding me of to mention that.
Yeah, so Tom Cruise sessions100% being recorded, dave
Miscavige's sessions not beingrecorded because he's not doing
any and we want to go on.
Oh, I mean, when we were there,from two from the 90s to 2005,
david muscavige did not go insession.
(58:29):
From 1993 to 2005 he did notever go in session once.
Um, according to him he didn't.
Right now we're not saying wedidn't see him go in session.
No, he said I'm not going insession until X happens and he
didn't.
He kept true to his word.
So that's another thing.
(58:51):
He and he didn't.
David Miscavige knows all abouteverything that Hubbard wrote
and he picks and chooses whatHubbard really wrote and what
Hubbard didn't write based onwhat's good for Miscavige.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
Yeah, he didn't have to do two and a half hours a day
study either like the rest ofus minions.
Speaker 1 (59:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:12):
Okay, buck buddy, we know DM is nuts.
David Miscavige, do tall SeaOrc members catch extra crap
when dealing with him?
Due to their height, do theytend to try and sit in his
presence so as not to tower overthe little psycho?
Speaker 1 (59:27):
I don't know about that.
And he is.
I don't think that that'd bepossible because he is so short
that everyone is tall comparedto him.
I mean, he really is like you.
Just think about the guys thathe worked with ray midoff, six
feet and over mark yeager, markyeager, six foot and over tall.
Speaker 2 (59:43):
these guys are tall, these guys are all tall dudes.
Marty Raffin, tall yeah.
Speaker 1 (59:49):
Mike Rinder's not short, I mean Mike Rinder's 5'11
or 5'10.
My height he was about as highas I am.
Speaker 2 (59:55):
I'm 5'7.
I was tall too.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I don't really think he couldbe biased like that because
everyone's tall compared to him.
Speaker 2 (01:00:08):
Burb Life question have more people been declared
SP than there are Scientologists?
Absolutely 100%.
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
In 1993, the list was like 20,000 suppressives.
Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I think at this point even Hubbard would agree that
his two and a half percent ofthe population is suppressive,
is wrong.
Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
Yes.
According to David Miscavige,97 and a half percent of the
people are suppressive and onlytwo and a half percent are not.
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Right.
Oh no, it was a two and a halfpercent suppressive and 20% PTS.
That's right.
Yeah, but there you go?
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
yeah, it's.
That's a great question becauseum l ron hubbard, when he first
started doing scientology andit started getting really big,
he had this place in englandcalled saint hill apostate alex
knows all about it and um, andthat's where they he had, that's
where he kind of created themodel of the Scientology
(01:01:07):
organization that exists today.
That was pretty much maturedand created at this place in
East Grinstead in England calledSt Hill.
Single person I want to saythat Hubbard worked with and did
(01:01:29):
stuff with at St Hill has beensince declared a suppressive
person.
There's not one person thatworked there that left
Scientology that didn't get adeclared suppressive, or that
the ones that are still around,hubbard kept track of them in
Gotham and the Sea, or DavidMiscavige has been keeping track
of them in Gotham and the Sea,or David Miscavige has been
keeping track of them andkeeping them under control so
that they don't say what reallyhappened, or you know some of
(01:01:52):
the stuff that Hubbard was up to.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Yep, rosemary Brown, could you sue if you were
recorded in a state thatrequires permission To be fair?
I think that that's a Iremember this name?
Speaker 1 (01:02:06):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Could you sue if you were recorded in a state that
requires permission?
Well, so that's the whole point, though, where they use their
documents, and if you've signeda document that says you can
then, you know you can't sue.
Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
The reason why they get away with a lot of this
sorry, I didn't put the cameraover on you when you were
yapping there.
One of the main reasons theyget away with this is you sign a
document saying it's okay toopen my mail, it's okay to
record me, it's okay to do allthese things to me, and then you
also say it's for my religiousbeliefs that I want this to
(01:02:42):
happen.
Right, that's how and that's thelittle that's the little tag
that is there to get out of jailfree card for all of this.
Is that no?
No, this is my religious rightto be recorded.
Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And you agree to the arbitration clause.
Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
That's right, and I will never sue you, right, and I
will never come after you foranything, right, because this is
I'm making myself better asreligious.
This is my religious freedom,right?
And so when, when somebody says, um, hey, uh, I want to sue
Scientology, scientology willactually argue on your behalf.
(01:03:16):
Look, use, we're doing this foryour religious freedom.
You can't sue us or yourreligion, and you're like what?
Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Okay, we ready.
Where's this?
Let me just see.
Oh, you know, I didn't even getthe share screen.
Let me get it going here andthen we'll do a share and then
we'll find it.
Where is the giveaway?
Is it going to do it?
No, it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
Nope, oh, there it is , there we go.
Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
Okay, oops.
Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
So just a reminder there is no while he messes
around with that.
There's no secret word thisweek.
Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
There's no secret word.
If you just comment, you'reautomatically entered and one
comment gets you entered.
You don't have to enter 17different times and, as you guys
can see, we have the that's arecord number of entries 112.
Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
There we go, so we're going to draw you ready.
Oh and before we forget, a lotof times people write in to us
or they go to the Blown for Goodstore and they donate, or they
buy something, and then there'sa donation button and sometimes
people donate an extra amountand they say, please put this
towards a giveaway on thechannel.
Yes, and those people aremostly the same people that say,
(01:04:25):
oh, just give my prize tosomebody else, but we thank you
guys for that.
Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Yes, we appreciate it .
Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
Okay, I'm going to draw.
Here we go.
Hit the draw button.
Oh, there we go, it's on, okay.
I always like it when I see myname or when I see people
apostate Alex almost got someaction.
Okay.
I see people who apostate Alexalmost got some action, okay.
Jane.
Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There you go, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:04:46):
Congratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Yes, Congratulations, Jane.
Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Send me an email, claireatblownforgoodcom with a
link to whatever you would likefrom either the Blown for Good
merch store or the SP shop.
Awesome, perfect.
Okay, let me get this out ofthere.
Poof, oh, hey.
Hey, there we go.
That was pretty good.
I think we did good today.
We had some good questions.
We had some good audiencequestions.
Claire got to talk a little bit.
(01:05:11):
You know people always get onmy case like talk we let her
talk.
Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You knew I was tired today.
Oh, we had, we went and partiedlast night.
Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
We're part of another nonprofit, or members, I guess,
of another nonprofit herelocally.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
I, another nonprofit, or members, I guess, of another
nonprofit here locally.
Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
I volunteer for them too, yeah, and Claire volunteers
, and so they had a littleshindig last night.
So Claire and I got to, we gotto go out, we got to have a date
night.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Yeah, oh, and also I would like to take a moment to
mention that next Saturday, 3 pmMountain Time, 5 pm Eastern
Time, we will be doing aone-hour fundraiser dedicated to
the Aftermath Foundation theMichael J Rinder Aftermath
Foundation news and updates, andwe will have some very special
(01:05:56):
guests.
We're very much looking forwardto it.
Nothing but foundation news.
So there you go.
Tune in if you'd like tosupport our efforts.
Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Yeah, catherine said billboard news, We'll you go and
if you'd like to support ourefforts.
Yeah, catherine said billboardnews We'll talk about.
We'll talk about that and thatthing.
But for those of you who followTony Ortega on the underground
bunker, scientology is gettingall worked up over the
billboards.
We knew they would, but we havefound their button.
Yeah, they really really theyreally don't like it when we do
(01:06:28):
things that we do so, and theydon't like it when we do these
videos.
And that's another reason whywe like to talk about Xenu and
the body Thetans, we like totalk about the confidential
operating Thetan levels, becausethat is kind of like kryptonite
for Scientology.
They can't really, they can'treally just spread.
Oh, you guys got to go and messwith these guys, Because then
(01:06:48):
when people watch our stuff,they find out about Xeno and the
Body Thetans.
By the way, whoever gets thatband name Xeno and the Body
Thetans, I'll play your songs onthe channel.
I mean, of course, we're goingto play a band called Xeno and
the Body Thetans.
Yeah there you go, anyway, butso that kind of messes them up.
But the billboard thingdefinitely has got them hot and
(01:07:12):
bothered.
The other reason we know thatthey're hot and bothered is
they're starting up new stuff.
They have hate websites on us.
They've had those up since, youknow.
Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Rebecca made a great comment here.
Cults don't like being called acult.
Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah, cults don't like being called a cult.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
That's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
You know what Scientology really hates when
you talk about them being a cult.
Um, yes, so, um, yeah, we knowthat we're doing something.
It's funny, this is an SP.
I'm going to give you guys anSP life hack.
If you're talking smack aboutScientology and you're exposing
(01:07:58):
them and they care about it andthey're worried about it, then
they're going to do something toyou.
They're going to put out a hatewebsite or they're going to do
this or and so when they do morethings like that and we
somebody says, hey, by the way,I just saw this went up and I go
like, oh, great, and then I gookay, well, we must be on the
right track.
Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Yeah, it's like a pat on the back.
We're doing the right thing.
Let's keep on doing it.
Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah, anyway.
So that's all that, anythingelse, I think we did it.
Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
We did it.
We've made it to the very end,folks.
Thanks to all the many peoplewho joined us today.
We appreciate it.
It was good to see you and wehope you tune in on Saturday,
April 19th, 3 PM mountain time.
We'll put up a thumbnail andall that stuff so people can see
what it's when it's going to beand hit that notification icon.
(01:08:49):
Whatever it is the bell icon.
The bell, the bell icon.
There we go, we made it to theend, awesome.
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Perfect guys.
And then you mind-mite me.
I was going to tell yousomething.
Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
I've been doing that a lot today apparently.
Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I know.
Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Sorry, honey, I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:09:06):
Thanks for everybody who joined us today.
If you do want to be updatedwhen we do videos, if you just
subscribe, it's totally 100%free.
You don't have to pay for it.
Subscribe is such a bad wordfor them to use because you
think a subscription, you thinkthat costs money, right?
I don't know why they would dothat yeah, they could call it
(01:09:27):
follow.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Follow us on youtube.
Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
Yeah, why don't they do that?
Youtube, get your, get ittogether over there, yeah oh my
god, yeah it's free.
Subscriptions are free onyoutube.
Unless you know it's free, justpush subscribe button.
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Yeah saying, hey, Mark is live, I get that every
time Like you didn't know that.
Yeah saying hey, mark is live.
I get that every time, like youdidn't know that.
Yeah, see, I got it right here.
It says right here, I'm live.
Am I live?
I guess I am.
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