Exposing Scientology's Dark Secrets: Surveillance Files, Elderly Abuse, and Community Resilience - Scientology Q&A #30 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome to the channel.
I got Mark Headley and ClaireHeadley here with you today.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
Good evening everybody.
Good to be back.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
We have been crazy busy doing stuff and we have a
ton of updates for you guys onstuff and what's been going on
and what we've been finding.
And, yeah, anything.
Did I forget anything?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
No, we have been busy bees all by choice, so we're
not complaining, don't get uswrong.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, let's just see.
We'll start out by seeing who'sin here tonight, see where.
If you're in the chat there,let us know where you're
watching from, and we're goingto cover some of the updates and
stuff that's been happening.
Then we're going to do we'regoing to do giveaways.
We got a ton of people havegone to the the blown for good
shop link link in descriptionabout where the people have been

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writing in and saying, hey, Iwant to do a giveaway, I want to
.
Here's something to do agiveaway with.
So we've got three giveaways.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think we can do tonight based on what's been
coming in.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Yeah, three giveaways , so we'll do one every half
hour and then at the end, afterwe're done, giving you guys the
update on what's been coming in.
Yeah, Three giveaways, so we'lldo one every half hour and then
um, at the end, after we'redone, uh, giving you guys the
update on what's been going on.
Um, we'll do a Q and a.
So if you've got questions, uh,get in there and um, we'll try
to not only do the um, the superchats and the super stickers,
we'll try to do some other onesas well.
So if you've got questions, andif they're good and something

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we haven't answered, you know500 times on other lives, then
we'll check it out.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
We'll click it.
Do the caps on the questionfirst, so we can pop it out.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh, just say question , yes, yeah, it's really helpful
.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I've seen that on a bunch of different channels.
It started over on Aaron'schannel and it was a brilliant
suggestion from a viewer.
And before anybody asks, I'mnot in a different room, any
same room, different setup.
We're in the midst of changingeverything around, so hopefully
this is going to work out well.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yes, we have one more thing to do, and then it'll be
Claire's super duper set up fordoing these lives and other
videos and stuff she does.
Yeah, um, awesome, okay, cool,um, I guess the first thing that
we're going to talk about is,um, you know, I've been doing,
we've been doing a series on thechannel here called the spy
files, and the spy files I hadfor many years were just a

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folder that had documents in itthat were about me specifically
or myself, and like there'sanother one where Scientology is
investigating South Park, andso there's a file that is called
BFG, blood for Good and SparkSouth Park.
Now, these files are internaldocuments from Scientology's spy

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wing, which is called theOffice of Special Affairs, and a
lot of these documents arebeing written from somebody in
the Office of Special Affairs inLos Angeles, 6331 Hollywood
Boulevard, and they're goingfrom that location.
They're being sent digitally tosomeone at the International
Scientology Headquarters, whichis in Gilman Hot Springs,

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california, and they're beingsent to a person called WDC Osa,
which at the time and through alot of these documents, was
Mike Rinder.
They're also being sent to theReligious Technology Center and
they're being sent directly toDavid Miscavige and people that
work for David Miscavige.
Now some of the documents aregoing from OSA to the Int Base,

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some of them are going from theWDC OSA to David Miscavige and
some of them are coming fromDavid Miscavige down to someone
in Int Management or OSA.
And these documents are wild andthe ones I had on me there was
about 30 of.
Well, recently I came intopossession of thousands of these

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documents and they're laid outin a very similar way, where
there's a folder and inside thatfolder are all the documents,
all these internal documents,going back and forth about that
person.
You may have seen a video thatAaron did over on his channel
about a Scientology actor, aBroadway actor, that was

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involved in the assault of somefemale minors.
We were going through thedocuments and I just clicked.
I saw the name barber and Ijust clicked on it and I said,
oh, what's this?
I remember that guy, there wassomething about that guy and
there's all these documentsabout all the stuff that he's up
to and there there's neveranywhere in there where they say

(05:01):
, um, that he did anything thatthey would light him up for.
And they're actually.
They are gathering intelligenceand other evidence of other
crimes that are occurring andthey're not telling anybody
about it.
They're figuring out ways tocircumvent those, to make it so

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that the authorities do not findout about those other ones, and
they're exploring all of theoptions on how they can make
sure that they don't get anybacklash from this actor, the
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, and, needless to say, none of these documents
were ever, ever supposed to seethe light of day in the outside
world.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Yeah, and one of the interesting things about this is
that, like in the case for thisactor, this guy committed
crimes.
He's in trouble for one ofthese crimes and they are
gathering up all the evidence ofother crimes from him directly
and he's readily admitting thesethings.

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To be fair, he does kind oftrickle out the information.
He's not, he doesn't come outwith it all at once, he it kind
of trickles out over the seriesof many security checks.
This is an interrogation,scientology interrogation, where
they put you on the meter andthey ask you questions about
what you've done, what crimesyou've committed, and then they

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use those and they gather those.
And in the case of this guy,he's telling them all these
things so that they will helphim not get in trouble for these
things.
Yeah, and wasn't?

Speaker 2 (06:42):
wasn't there a note in there too, like they they
found evidence that he was forthese things?
Yeah, and wasn't there a notein there too, like they found
evidence that he was committingthese crimes?
And they then intentionallylike normally when you're
getting interrogated, it's beingdone by the police department
in Scientology, so you can, itis reportable.
But they intentionally made itso that the when he confessed to

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new crimes, it would be, quoteunquote, under their
confidential priest penitent,knowing that he was going to be
confessing to crimes.
And this was how they weregoing to justify not reporting
it to the authorities yeah.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So usually what happens is scientology gains
this intel and they will do itby nefarious means if needed.
In this case, he's already sortof in trouble with the law and
he knows that they're going tohelp him because they don't want
any backlash.
So he is kind of playing thehe's.

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He's playing the game to hisadvantage, but again, so are
they, so they're.
They're both on the same sideof.
Let's not tell anybody anythingthat's going on.
That doesn't need to know aboutit.
Meanwhile they are puttingtheir Scientology is putting
their top top attorneys, theattorneys.

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They pay more, hundreds ofthousands of dollars a year.
They're putting multipleattorneys on this to sort it out
and use their connection ashigh power, high caliber
attorneys to gain other highcaliber attorneys as defense for
this person that they know.
I mean, they know he's going toget lit up, but depending on

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how they play it, they canminimize the damage on him and
then, uh, in return onto them aswell.
So, um, so what we're doing sothat was I'm just saying I'm
just giving you an example ofthat was just five documents.
There's over 5,000 of thesedocuments.
There were five about that guyand all five of them were insane

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obstruction of justice, uh, uh,all kinds of nonsense happening
in these.
Okay, um.
So then I actually started deepdiving into these documents.
There's so many documents, andwhen I say it's a document, some
of these documents are one page.
One of them is 400 pages.
So even though there's 5,000documents, there might be 30,000

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pages of individual stuff thathas to be read through, and it's
in heavy, heavy, heavyscientologies.
So they're using scientologylingo, they're using scientology
abbreviations, they're usingscientol or osa, the spy wing.
They're using osa kind of codeto talk about cert.

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When they talk about specialcollection that means when they
buy your garbage, when they theytalk a lot of the private
investigators have code names.
So they're like you know.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Just pause to let those words settle in for a
minute.
Buy your garbage.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
So insane.
Yeah, I mean, obviously we'velived this crazy life for the
last 18 years, so we haveendless experience.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
But you know, yeah, another thing that they have is
they have their own travelagency, so they can.
That is connected to the whole.
Any travel agent is able tobook on a certain amount of
flights or a certain amount ofairlines or different countries
have a system.
They can book anything toanywhere on anything and because

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they have that access, they cancheck flights and they can.
And because they know aperson's full name and all their
deets, they can.
If it just has a you know firstname, last initial, they can
track that person.
If it's first initial, lastname, that can, they can know,
so they can.
They can figure out who's goingwhere based on that it from

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that, from all the evidence Ican tell from these files, they
have somebody that works atSprint Verizon team.
They have somebody that worksat every single phone company.
So no matter which service youhave, they could buy your phone
records yep um, they had.
They had all of my phone recordsand they had two or three other
people's phone net records andwe none of us had the same

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carriers, so somehow they areable to purchase.
They had all the phone logs andhow they didn't have, they
didn't have the actualconversation in all cases.
In some cases the ones I'mtalking about right now they
just had who was called and theduration when the call started,
when the call end and theduration of the call.

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In other instances there aretranscripts of wiretapped phone
calls in these documents andsome of these documents, yeah,
and some of these documents areso sensitive that I think I'm
even hesitant on what to do withthem, because people that are
now on the outside might get introuble.

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Like, there's a lot of nonsensehappening in these files and I'm
kind of leaning on the side ofjust airing them out and, uh,
seeing where the uh, the chipsfall.
But, um, but there there's a100%, um illegal acts in, I'd
say, 75% of the documents where,like, crimes are being

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committed or they're finding outcrimes and then they're
covering up crimes or they'remaking up things to um, okay, so
like in the, in the, in the, inthe case of this one individual
, they wrote a program, adetailed, step-by-step program,
on how they're going to destroythis person's life.
That's actually the purpose ofthe program is to get this guy

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fired from his job and get allof his connections in his life
cut.
That's the program, the statedpurpose of the program.
And then it proceeds to lay outevery single step of their
operation on how they're goingto lie, cheat and steal to get
this guy to lose his job.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, and, and we reached out to him.
He's like, oh my gosh, yes, Iwould love to see these
documents.
Obviously, they failed.
They did not destroy his life,but they tried very, very hard
to do so.

Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, this guy was never a Scientologist.
Yeah, this guy was somebody whowas exposing them.
Now there are also similarprograms for people that used to
be Scientologists, and howthey're going to destroy their
lives and how they're going touse all of the people that that
person knew in Scientology totell lies about that person to

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people now outside ofScientology.
These files are insane and theydocument Scientology acts that
are criminal in nature inoverstate lines in other
countries.
There's about media networksthat they're messing with, like

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ABC, cnn producers, televisionpersonalities, interviewersers,
and how they're playing allthese people against each other
so that scientology doesn't gettalked about on these shows.
Um, I'd say 75 of the documentsare about former scientologists

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that they're trying to attackand the other 25 are um directed
at people that are exposingscientology, whether they're
trying to attack, and the other25 percent are directed at
people that are exposingScientology, whether they're
journalists or you know.
In the case of this guy, he'she was a college professor.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
He is a college professor.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
He still is to this day.
So, but these?
So basically, what we're doingnow is we're gathering up the,
the, the.
They weren't the Scientologistsin the case of these documents.
They're not the most organizedas you would expect, so I'm
having to kind of like in thecase in the.

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In the course of going throughthese other documents, I found
about another 30 documents aboutme that weren't in my folder
because it wasn't 100% about me.
That was just a mention or aparagraph or comments, and just
a totally different document.
Nonetheless, they were prettysignificant comments that I was
like oh wow, that's, that'scrazy.

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So we're rounding up thedocuments about each one of
these people and then we'returning them over to the people
that they were about thesepeople.
In most cases, these people mayhave known that there was some
sort of nonsense going on, butthis is where it's being dreamt
up and in some cases there'sdifferent iterations of what
they're gonna do, like they did.

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They said we're gonna do this,we're gonna lie, we're gonna
pick in his office and we goingto lie to his family and lie to
his friends and put a horriblewebsite, and then it'll get an
answer saying oh, you need tolike triple your efforts, this
is not enough, and then theywill expand the program to
destroy this person's life.
I mean, I don't it's hard toexplain how insane these files

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are.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
Anyway, and there's definitely criminal acts that
are happening in here and that,and if they're.
So basically what I'm doing isI'm going to give these files to
people and I'm just saying Irecommend you go through them
and if you, if you, if you getreally worked up, I would
consult a lawyer and I would seeif there's any legal recourse
that you can get from this,because this is definitely not

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nonprofit, religious exemptactivities and and for everybody
asking in the comments yes,very definitely, these have been
given to the FBI as well.
Yeah, these documents have beenturned over to law enforcement,
where whenever I find somethingthat looks like it should be

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something that law enforcementshould know about, that, we're
getting them the documents aswell.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
And, hey, take a moment, let's say hi to the more
than a thousand people in thechat.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Oh yeah, look at that .

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, we have a thanks for joining us tonight,
everybody.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, thank you, yeah , yeah.
No, I'm telling you guys, um, Idon't know how, like aaron's
doing some videos on these, I'vesent um a bunch of these
documents to other uh, sp tvrelated channels as well,
because there's no way that Ican do um, I can't do 5 000

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videos on these files.
It would take me the rest of mylife to go through these and
read them and then explain themto you guys.
So I'm trying to figure out agood place where, after I do a
video, I could post the originaldocuments and just have them
there on a site without havingto get like a webmaster involved

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, and all this on a site withouthaving to get like a webmaster
involved in all this.
So I'm not sure.
If anybody knows a good way ora good like kind of method for
how I could do this, let me know.
I'm willing to take suggestionsand if there's another site
that has something similar tothis, then maybe we could do
that.
But it is.
There are, I mean, I'd saythere's a thousand people that

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are covered in these documents,like a thousand different
individuals that they eithertalk about or target for
destruction or are trying tohelp cover up their crimes, or
this person stole millions, ofmillions of dollars and they're
trying to figure out how to makesure that they're not.
I mean, you name it, it's inthese files.

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It's insanity.
Um, yeah, so we're, we'reworking on that.
This is a developing.
This is a developing projectbecause it is, um, it's much,
much, much bigger than justhaving a bunch of files.
There's.
There's what I mean no otherway to say it this there's a lot

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of evidence in here, and theother thing about these files is
they're in standard Scientologyformat, so they're sending a
document from this place to thisplace and they're ceasing.
They're copying maybe 10individuals.
So if Scientology would be like, oh, we don't have that, it's
like, well, but you had 12different people that had copies

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.
So you're saying you, youaccidentally lost all 12 copies
of these documents, and thenthere's so many.
There's no way they could.
There's no way they couldpretend they lost all these
files.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Yeah, and, by the way , that's why I included
reference to all of that in mytestimony the fact that reports
of crimes within Scientology goto multiple different locations
and all echelons Like it's notjust in one file.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
So yeah, that that's exactly right there.
There's, um, there's a policyletter from alron hubbard that
you're not allowed to destroythese files like you cannot.
You're not allowed to destroyfiles.
So if scientology says theydon't have these documents, it's
like that's kind of impossiblebecause you have so many

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different copies and none ofthem are supposed to be
destroyed.
So their own policies have madeit.
So they have to document andkeep track of all this evidence.
So if somebody does show up,there's a good argument that
would stand that these documentsare exist in their files and

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these are only for like a fewyear period.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
So these are.
These are like a tiny subsampleof like, let's say, five or six
years, and there could bedecades of these files.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
So, and not to mention the fact that, lately,
the things that have beenpopping onto our radar, yeah, oh
my gosh, it's next level.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Seriously, next level .
We're not going to talk aboutit just yet because of things.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
We'll just leave that nice big fat mystery sandwich,
but it's I mean, yeah, comparedto some of the things we're
talking about, it's crazy yeah,well, I will tell you this.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
I will give you a tiny.
I did talk about this on astream I did with aaron earlier
today.
Uh, on growing up inscientology channel, um channel.
If you're watching this videoand you have someone that you
are related to or someone thatyou know about that is in
Scientology and is an elder,there is like a 75% chance that

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they're being abused inScientology right now.
Just based off of interactionsthat we've had with people, they
are if the person, like, say,worked at some company before
they joined the Sea.
And I would preface to say allof the people that I'm talking
about are Sea Organizationmembers that are growing old in

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Scientology, so they're 60 orolder and they've spent decades
dedicated themselves to the seaorganization, like the
paramilitary branch ofScientology, and when they get
into these older years, they aresort of putting them out to
pasture.
If the person has any sort ofsavings or money that they've

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inherited or they earned or theygot from sources whatever,
they're sucking that bone dryand then they're opening up
credit cards in this person'sname and then they are putting
them in a very, very low like Idon't know if, even if you could

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call it a facility in asubstandard living arrangement
with many other elderly people,and then they're using their
social security to cover thatand then pay the minimum balance
on all these credit cards andthen, as soon as that person
passes away, scientology keepsthe $80,000 worth of credit card
debt that they rang up for thatperson passes away.
Scientology keeps the $80,000worth of credit card debt that

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they rang up for that person.
And then that person is doneand then it's over and so, yeah,
they're doing this.
So far, they actually informedthis person's family that the

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person had passed away 16, 19years ago 19 years ago they had
informed the family that thisperson passed away, and this
person is still alive to thisday, so we're not exactly sure
why that occurred.
We suspect it is so if somebodyhas an elderly family member in

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Scientology and they have heardthat they've passed away, they
will no longer check in on themor they will no longer attempt
to communicate with that person,so that person will never be
able to tell them that they'rebeing abused or that something.
That's the only thing that wecan think of in this one case.
But what I'm saying is that ifyou have a family member or you

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know somebody who is an elderlyperson to the Scientology,
please try to get a, get a holdof them, and if you're not even
if you've been told that theydied and were never shown
evidence of that.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I mean, as shocking as it is to say that that's
really the reality that we'retrying to communicate, if you,
if you are related to somebodyin the C organization and you
believe that they died with noevidence, please get in touch
with us.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, yeah, we need to know, and one of the ways
that we're finding out aboutthis information is from the
people that are watching thischannel.
There are a lot ofScientologists that watch this
channel.
There are a lot of people thathave relatives that are in
scientology that watch thischannel.

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So we're hoping um, we'rehoping that even if you're a
scientologist and you'rewatching this channel and you
have a family member in the corganization, please try to get
a hold of them.
This is not.
This is not about us and usversus them.
This is about people that areelderly are being abused,
they're being taken advantage ofand they're literally stealing

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these people's life savings andrunning up enormous amount of
credit card debt in the name ofthese people, and not to mention
not giving them proper medicalattention, proper health care,
proper nutrition, any of that.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
And sticking them out somewhere, isolated from
anybody and everybody that theyever knew, that's, that is abuse
in and of itself yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
So basically, if if you have a relative or somebody
that was in the science, in thec-org, within scientology, and
you were told that they hadpassed away, try to see if you
can get a death certificate.
If you cannot get a deathcertificate, then I'm pretty

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sure that they have not passedaway or something has happened.
We just found out about this inthe last week and we have
informed law enforcement andwe're in touch.
That's been taken in the caseof this single individual.
But this is one thing that weknow.

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If they have a system, like thecredit card fraud with the
elders, if they have a system,it's happening everywhere and if
they have a system, it's.
It's not like it happens onceor twice.
They have a list of thesepeople and they're checking them
off as they do this to them.
It's not, it's not accidental,it is, it's a system, it's a

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like the pattern of behavior.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
So this there is no such thing of this being an
isolated instance, which is whywe decided you know what?
Let's just put it out there,because we know it's not an
isolated instance.
It never is with them, it neveris.
Osa will do the things thatwork for them to accomplish
their means and purposes, andthey will do it over and, over

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and over again.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Yeah.
So on that happy note, you wantto move to some questions.
I don't know I mean there's notmuch else we can say about that
right now, because we'reactually trying to.
I'm trying to say how they dothis In Scientology.

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They say, when you're doing aninvestigation and you see a
string that's out of place, yougo oh, you pull that string.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Until you've reached the General Sherman tank.
Quote unquote.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah.
So we were doing our thing andwe came across this and the
elder abuse is something that wehave seen, a pattern of that
that no, uh, we know of multiple, multiple, multiple people that
this is happening to and in alot of cases, when we have
worked with some of these peoplethat we found that have been

(28:17):
victims, um, they when, um when,when the lawyer writes the
letter to Scientology,scientology just sends a check
back.
There's no, they don't want it,they do, they know this might
be this might be the one thingthat there's no arbitration.
There's no, we don't know whathappened.

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There's there's not really anythat the credit cards are being
opened and they are the solerecipients of all of the funds
of the credit cards and it's alldocumented.
And in a lot of cases, thesepeople have their statements and
there's no way to say this isnot real.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
So yeah, nope, it's very, very well documented and
very well turned over to toauthorities.
So rest assured for anyoneasking yes, we are going to keep
going.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, we're in this for thelong haul.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, we're documenting all the other
nonsense that happens andthat'll be future content.
Yeah, we see you, osa, we feeland see you.
So just know, we know, wheneverthey start doing jackhole stuff
in the background, trying tomess with us, we know like, oh,
we're doing it.
It's like a what do they callthis Stick?

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It's like a dividing rod.
It's an Osa dividing rod.
Whenever we start gettingnonsense happening, we're like,
oh, yeah, we're, we're right onthe vein, we're right on the
gold vein here, babe, the nerve,doing it right so, okay, it is
30 minutes.
we are at the 30 minute point,so we will transition to q a

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with a giveaway.
Um, let's see here, uh, do youwant to do it or do we want to
just leave it?
Whatever, because I think wehave a book, we have merch, it
doesn't really matter.
Whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yep, they can say whatever they want, or even we
could do a bobblehead, a bookand merch.
Those are the three options.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
And when we say merch , we're talking about the Blown
for Good store merch.
Yep three options.
And when we say merch, we'retalking about the Blown for Good
store.
Merch where Shelly hats mugst-shirts phone cases.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
And by the end of tonight I will put live our new
items for our Theta Potato line.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Theta Potatoes.
We got BFG.
We got Hail Xenu.
We got Xenu as my homeboy.
We got Not Today Thayton.
We got.
There's a lot of merch in there.
You guys have been requestingstuff.
If anybody says, why are thereso many items?
We keep getting requests and inthe most cases they're pretty
good.
So we do it and we put it inthere.
But get on if you're on a phoneor you're on a computer if

(31:05):
you're on a phone or you're on acomputer.
Oh yeah, no, no, the commentsare coming.
You're going to pick this one,um sure, okay, I'll pitch it.
I'll pick it.
Um yeah, I'm going to do acountdown here and, uh, let's
see how many people we got.
We got 1300 people in here.
That's pretty.
That's pretty great.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
We haven't done one of these in a long time, Right?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Uh, bobble me, pick me, Okay, good, so let's just do
a countdown here.
This is how I do it I do a fiveand then I do the one that
comes after five, which is four.
I really milk it here.
Three, two and a big old onesie, Selena Michelle Merch.
Please, Selena Michelle, sendan email to Claire at

(31:42):
BlownForGoodcom with a link fromthe BlownForGood store of what
you would like and Claire willimmediately send you a link to
that item and it ships for freestraight to you.
Yep, Thanks guys.
I appreciate that.
Do we have any comments?

(32:02):
Oh wow, yeah, we've got a wholebunch of people in here.
Thank you again, Selena Britcom.
Brit com.
Mom com.
Brit com.
Mom.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Super sticker.
Thank you, she said in hercomment she was just trying to
say we do great work.
So thank you, brit com mom, weappreciate you being here and we
appreciate your support.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Thank you, arnie Van Halen.
He was in the chat I didearlier, a few hours ago, with
Aaron and he was at a Metallicaconcert and he got the
notification and he was tryingto watch the video at a
Metallica concert.
I don't understand that, but Iwould have it on.
Do not disturb, okay, if I wasin a Metallica concert, but
either way, he can hear me now.

(32:43):
Thank you, arnie, I appreciateit.
Bella Lada says I can't help it.
The two of you have my heart,just not the same without you.
Well, thank you, bella.
We appreciate it.
We didn't go anywhere, we werejust doing we.

(33:03):
You know, we started thisYouTube channel as sort of a,
just a test to see if it wouldbe even like at all useful, and
it proved to be very useful.
And we this is sort of our sidelike we have regular full-time
jobs and we have the aftermathfoundation, and then we have
three boys and we do this on topof all those things, and so we

(33:30):
don't do that many videos, andwhen we do, we try to make them
decent for you guys and really,because we were doing so many
videos for a while, all thesethings were happening that we
were finding out about morethings that we needed to deal
with, you know, to help somebodyor to, you know, get them to

(33:51):
the next stage of what we'reworking on with them, and and
it's just been kind ofballooning out of control.
So we've been very, very busybehind the scenes.
So, thank you for that, bella,in my, in my car on I-205
southbound Portland, oregon,headed home.
Okay, gary, thank you for theupdate.

(34:18):
Oh, jackson, yay, sptv channelthan that.
The other night.
That was so entertaining.
It was Marilyn, marilyn Honig,who just started a YouTube
channel herself.
Yes, denver, steve-o,Clearwater, chad, and one other
person I'm so sorry I forgotyour name and another, another

(34:41):
SP, very hardcore SP TV fan.
That is all was doing a liveand, um, it was so entertaining.
It was like, um, like a wrap upshow, like SPTV wrap up show,
like we, we had gone live orsomebody had gone lined live,
and then they were doing anafter show, talking about what
we talked about on the show, andI was so entertained.

(35:04):
But, um, there literally are,there's a like I want to say
there's like 30 channels now,and the other thing is we've got
cooking channels coming, we'vegot now we have a craft channel
craft channel sptv craft, uhcoffee cults and craft channel.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Folks get over there and subscribe Music, art, travel
.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean we're going to have a whole network.
There are people that are goingto go travel around to orgs and
then send them in the videoslike, hey, this is where I am,
you know, you know SPTV rocks orwhatever, and we'll go.
We'll have a tour of all of theof the places these people go
for us SPTV.
Anyway, it is very entertaining.

(35:47):
Yes, oh, here's Selena Michelleagain, love my SPTV.
Hit the like button, hi Osa.
Nice Thank you, selena, sorry,you get the next one.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
All right, I got to get over there.
You took me by surprise.
You're muted.
You're muted.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's okay, love it says.
Question, weird question.
What happens if two people saythey weren't exact same person
in past life?
Who gets to claim it?
Thank you, yeah, that's a greatquestion.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
No, neither of them do.
There were probably like 50Jesus Christ's.
There were probably like 50Jesus Christ's, 50 or you know,
actually probably more than 50.
Quentin or Hubbard, yeah,anyway.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
There were a lot of people who do seance or people
who do readings.
When they contact dead people,there's a sort of like you know,
not really a way to get anypaperwork on that, so it's like
there's not much verification,it's not like oh so you were
Abraham Lincoln, so what wasyour social security number?
Yeah, exactly, okay, thank you.

(37:11):
Thanks for that.
Sandy Yerkin's power saysquestion Do you have to shred
all your trash?
Now, you know it's funny, sandy, thank you, that's a great
question.
When you're in Scientology, ifyou write anything on paper in
the C organization at the base,it has to be shredded.
Not only does it have to beshredded, it has to be shredded

(37:32):
every single day because one ofyour coworkers could be a spy
and if the shredding is left outovernight, they could steal
that and turn it over to theirlaw enforcement people that
they're spying for or whatever.
So all documents in Scientologyare shredded every single night
.
They have in every area like.
I worked in a manufacturingarea that made cassettes and we

(37:53):
had buckets and buckets ofshredding to do every single
night.
So anything that's written, allthese reports, all this stuff
has to be shredded, okay, butnot digital documents.
They don't trend those for somereason.
I don't know.
I don't understand the thediscrepancy, probably because l
ron hubbard never wrote a policyabout digital documents.

(38:15):
So there's no policy to shredthose um, but in our case um
it's not like um, it's not likewe're writing.
I'm'm writing reports back andforth to Claire, so if they want
to see my Home Depot receipts.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
Whatever I mean, I do shred documents, but only
because I have an accountingfirm and you know so I do shred
all documents relating tobookkeeping.
Yeah, exactly, but the bottomline is we have nothing to hide,
as evidenced by the factthey've been spying us, on us
for 18 years, and the best theycan come up with is that you're

(38:51):
a cracker, liquor honey.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Well, you know, I guess there's worse things I
could be.
Yeah, yeah, they literally,they literally have nothing.
And even if they did get aholdof our garbage, it's sort of
like yeah, there's some, what doyou call that?
What's that?
Some cinnamon toast crunch inthere?
There's some.
There's a lot of egg cartons weeat a lot of eggs in this house

(39:19):
Some ham, turkey chicken?
I mean, it's like what are yougoing to dig through my garbage?
I don't care, I'm not writingup documents and sticking them
in there, and if I am, yeah,sorry.

Speaker 2 (39:34):
And even when they were buying our garbage.
We got kind of a laugh aboutthat because we had a baby in
diapers at the time.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
We sure did.
We had two At one point we hadtwo and they were picking that
up every week.
And I can, and we did, to befair, I mean, I am a kind of a
prankster.
So there were a few post-itnotes that had phone numbers
written on them, put like maybein or around diapers every once

(40:01):
in a while, diapers every oncein a while.
So just in case it washappening.
Yeah, I can't imagine that.
Oh, denver, steve, a questionmay ask you a question.
I have an odd question for you.
This is the question form.
Right, okay, here's my question.
Hi, claire and Mark also.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Oh, thank you, denver .
I got your email, by the way.
I will respond.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Oh, wow, okay, there we go, here we go.
I'm trying to get back in thegoose.
Do you think, john?
John Satowski, freaking Flyer,thank you.
Do you think PRs are usingdrones to follow SPs?

Speaker 2 (40:40):
Okay.
So I just wanted to saysomething on this, because when
we were in LA last week, weheard this crazy story from this
guy that we just randomlyhappened to meet for the first
time and he was telling us thathe parked on over by the blue
buildings and he got out of hiscar and this drone showed up.
And he was not, he's never beenin Scientology.

(41:02):
He was going to a doctor'sappointment at the Cedars-Sinai
Hospital.
Right, he just happened to parkthere, he gets out of his car
and, out of nowhere, this droneshows up.
So, like any normal personwould, he was like well, this
weird.
So he takes out his phone and hetakes a picture and then he
starts walking and two minuteslater a security guard you know

(41:24):
a Sea Org security guard showsup and says what were you doing?
And he was like what do youmean?
I just parked my car, I'm goingto an appointment.
He's like well, why did youtake a picture?
And the guy was like because adrone showed up out of nowhere.
He's like well, let me see thepicture.
And the guy was like hell, no,and he's he, but it's just
insane.
That's that's what I thought ofin response to that question.

(41:47):
So who knows?
We know they're using dronesand pack at the big blue
buildings in Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, so I guess I mean I wouldn't put it past them
.
I'm sure the PIs.
I know for a fact that the PIswere using GPS trackers for a
while, so like just a littlepuck, a magnetic puck that you
can stick on something and thenit'll just keep track of that
thing.
And the way they're gettingaround this I think I found this

(42:16):
out when I was talking to a PIis that they have these like
fleet management services, whichis just a software you get and
you can buy five pucks or 10pucks or 50 pucks or whatever,
and you put them on all yourlike your UPS truck or your food
delivery trucks, and and thenit keeps track of what their
speeds are and where they'regoing and all that stuff.

(42:37):
And you just pull it up at a ina little software thing and it
says a truck, one truck too.
Well, thus the privateinvestigators are doing this for
uh, for doing us for uh, sps,like us on a SPTV, they stick it
on a vehicle and it's just likeokay, mark Headley, clear
Headley, mike Rinder, and theyjust see where everybody's at

(42:58):
and um, and you say well you,you heard that, are you well
that?
Well, ron Miscavige had one ofthose on his car, david
Miscavige's father, who escapedfrom Scientology with his wife.
And then they proceeded to payprivate investigators tens, if
not hundreds of thousands ofdollars to surveil the father of

(43:23):
David Miscavige, and he had oneof those trackers on his
vehicle.
So, and then, and even some ofthe private investigators that
worked with that guy that wasspying on Ron have come out and
said yes, if we're following youand we lose you, then we just
call the person with thesoftware and then they just tell
us where you're at and then wejust go to where you're at.

(43:45):
So this is we're not like um, Imean, we have these documents
now.
There's so many people that canverify and cross-check these
things.
So, in terms of the drones, yes, I would not put that past them
for a second Tarkina Meyer,also a very frequent flyer of
the channel.
Thank you, tarkina.
You can create a locals pageand you can post them there

(44:07):
without having the YouTuberestrictions.
It doesn't have to be a paywall, but that is an option as well.
Oh, thank you.
That is in turn.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
On the about the document sharing.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Yes About the documents.
Very good.
Okay, good, let's write thatdown.
A local on a local, a localspage.
I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Tarkina, would you please email me.
We really appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (44:31):
Lady Pamela says question can you turn them over
to the FBI or would you beafraid they would get lost?
Oh no, these have been turnedover to the FBI and you know
that's a really good question.
They've been turned over to,like, a certain FBI office.
We might, might as well, turnthem over to the offices.
We'll look, I'll see, becausethese things are happening all

(44:52):
over the place.
Yeah, if there's a certain like, maybe if there's a Los Angeles
FBI office, I'll turn turn theLos Angeles related files over
to them.
If there's a New York office,I'll turn them over to New York.
I'll turn them over to all theoffices, all the files over to
all the offices.
I don't know, but that's not abad question.
And also just so you guys know,I've given these files to

(45:12):
multiple other people.
So if anything happens to meand the files get lost, there's
about 10 other people that havethese files now, so the files
ain't getting lost.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, no really all that's going to happen now is
we're making more and moreefforts to consolidate and make
the information usable andunderstandable on specific
topics, because it's anoverwhelming amount of
information.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yes, carol Barnhart question have you talked to Mike
?
Actually, you know what, carol?
That's a great question and Idid want to figure out a way to
talk about this, but I might aswell do it now.
I did speak with Mike.
I spoke with Mike yesterday.
Mike is doing amazing comparedto how he was doing two weeks

(45:58):
ago and he has started on thefirst stage of his treatment.
And they have to all the peoplewho've donated and to all the
people that sent in support andbought merch on Mike Rinder
store and Donated through thestore and donated through his
website.
They have secured the funds forthe first stage of his

(46:19):
treatment.
So I Think Mike and Christy aregonna do a video About it to let
people know is as soon as Mike,christie are going to do a
video um about it to to letpeople know as as soon as Mike
is well enough to do that.
But um, but yes, it's um, thetreatment that he was
recommended is working and he isum not doing as bad as he was

(46:40):
two weeks ago as as as I.
I mean, I, I don't.
I'm not a doctor, so I couldn'ttell you.
Uh, you know, pain level one.
I can't tell you any of that.
But he, but he was, he was on.
I talked to him on the phoneand he sounded great and it was
like wow what a relief, what arelief that is, what an amazing
outpouring of support.
Holy moly yeah and I'm, and whenthis is all said and done and

(47:04):
Mike's totally back to batteryand everything's awesome.
There is some crazy thingsabout this that happen that
hopefully they'll be willing totalk about.
But yes, thank you for that,carol Peggy says question
Looking into your crystal ball,claire and Mark, do you think it
will take 10 years plus for theFBI to connect some of the

(47:26):
abuses and start making a dentwith prosecutions?
You know I hate to comment onthis, just because there have
been.
I mean, in the 1970s the FBIraided Scientology and that raid
resulted in the arrest of 11scientology top officials that

(47:47):
went to prison for perpetratingthe largest infiltration into
the united states government inits history.
To this day, no one has toppedscientology, not another country
, not a foreign power.
Scientology perpetrated thesingle largest infiltration in
the united states government inits history.
So, that being said, those 11people went to jail.

(48:09):
The Guardian's office, whichthose people were all part of,
was changed.
The name was changed.
They got rid of the Guardian'soffice.
Yeah, they changed the name tothe Office of Special Affairs
and they do the exact same thingthat the Guardian's office did

(48:37):
and they do the exact same thingthat the guardian's office did.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
They just use private investigators and lawyers to do
the dirty work on the outsideand they just run them.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
So it's still going on.
They just do it differently.
Yeah, the only thing that'sdifferent now is that we are.
This is the Internet.
The Internet will 100 percentbe the downfall of Scientology,

(49:02):
that's I guarantee you.
That Just put a could silencepeople and they could silo the
information.
So something they did to thisperson and something they did to
this person, they wouldn't beable to talk to each other and
compare notes.
Now that we are able to do that, we are pretty we're pretty
much able to smoke them out alot of the time and we're also
able to document a lot morethings.
And because we have platformslike YouTube YouTube is an

(49:25):
anomaly for Scientology.
Yes, because there's almostnothing they can do about it and
we are being rewarded for doingit, so that doesn't hurt, but
at the same time, it is a veryeffective platform to get this
information out to people and tocommunicate with people that we

(49:46):
would otherwise have no accessto, like Scientologists that are
experiencing some of the thingsthat we're talking about, and
when they hear us talking aboutit that it was going on 20 years
ago, they get a little upsetand they tend to give us a ring
a ling and tell us about morestuff that's going on.
So we are anything that we arehearing about that is illegal.

(50:07):
We are giving that informationto law enforcement and we are
hearing about record amounts ofthese things and we're getting
documents.
We're getting these knowledgereports, these internal reports
they write in Scientology.
We're getting all these thingsthat show that Scientology is
aware that these things havehappened, that show that
Scientology is aware that thesethings have happened and are
either covering it up or keepingit quiet.

(50:30):
Yep Um, clearwater, chad saysMaryland Haunted has a new tube
channel called Maryland HauntedCoffees, crafts and Cults.
There you go.
We will put a link to that inthe description.
Please make a note of that,claire Um, and we will put a
link to Maryland's channel inthe subscription or in the
description.
We love that there are so manySPTV channels.

(50:51):
There's Facebook, there's SPTVFacebook.
What's this?
Um, uh, coffee crafts and cultsis a Facebook group with all
these crafters in it and they'remaking Claire bears and feta
potatoes, potatoes and xenuoutfits and a whole collection
back there it's out of control.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Anyway.
Look watch, I think there'sclaire bear.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, there she is I think I saw, was it a potato,
was it?

Speaker 2 (51:18):
a potato?

Speaker 1 (51:19):
yeah, you have one down there no, no, I understand
that there was another oh no,there was the peeling, the onion
I was like people are craftingvegetables scientology themed
vegetables yes um, yeah, no it's, it's pretty much out of
control yeah, I've got reallycool bracelets and I've gotten
cracker earrings and crackernecklaces and all kinds of

(51:42):
amazing stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
You got got a cracker blanket.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
I did.
I did Joanna Hunt says questionwhat was the muster like?
What was the wildest muster youexperienced?
I know which one, mine is.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Well, you go ahead.
I'll think about that, becauseI've been at some crazy ones.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
I think I want to say , well, yeah, there's different
kinds of crazy too.
I think I want to say, well,yeah, there's different kinds of
crazy too.
I think the craziest one wasthere was I think it was a list
of about 80 to 90 people thatwere um, just it was decided, or
it had been decided or it camedown from david miscavige that
they that these 80 people who'dworked at the international base

(52:25):
for decades, or 10 years or 20years or whatever it was, and he
had decided that they should bekicked off of the property and
just cast away and sent to a SeaOrg installation in Los Angeles
.
And so this list had been beingworked over and worked over for
months and months and monthsand months, and it was called
the offload list.
And then one night, I think itwas like hey, did those people

(52:48):
get offloaded?
He asked a question and theyhadn't been.
And so, whatever, the latestversion of that list was, those
people were put on some busesand they were.
They were gone by morning.
They literally this happenedlike 11 o'clock at night and
said hey, did those guys getoffloaded?
It was a question.
He didn't say offload them,don't offload them, he just

(53:11):
asked if they had been offloadedby this time and they put them
on a bus and they just drovethem off and at the morning
muster there was 80 peoplemissing, like they were just
gone.
And some of them had spousesmissing.
Like they were just gone, andsome of them had spouses, some
of them had children or parentsor whatever at this place, and

(53:32):
they were gone.
That was it.
It was just they were gone.
And the people were like what?
Like their spouses didn't knowthey were gone.
They were like, oh, yeah, youknow bob was gotten up in the
middle of the night but I Idon't know what happened to him
and yeah, bob's in LA now andyou're never going to see him
again.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
That was bizarre, like it was almost.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
We lost a few people on.
What muster is?
It's like roll call three timesa day to to account for
everybody.
And then they do announcementsand say things and yeah, and
they do announcements and saythings.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Yeah, it's like a midday meeting, but it's the
entire crew of a seaorganization.
So you have breakfast at 8 to8.30.
At 8.30, there's a muster.
The reason they have thesemusters is to count as a head
count, because if you're offsleeping somewhere there's eight
hours, we're not going to knowwhere you're at.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Or if you're making a run for it or you know.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
So they try to have a muster every three or four
hours.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
So that's to make sure everybody is either present
or accounted for.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
It is scientifically proven in the Sea Org that
someone with a three to fourhour head start will be tracked
down.
The eight hour head start iswhere we start to lose people.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
Oops, sorry my bad.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Anyway.
So they have a muster at 830.
They have a muster at 1230, 530, and in some cases 11 or 1130
at night, before you secure forthe night.
So that's what a muster.
It's just a meeting of the crewthey do.
Each division says all presentare accounted for.
Each division says all presentare accounted for.
And if somebody is accountedfor they say this person is with

(55:08):
a professional that's emptyingthe sewer pond or something.
And then it just goes throughevery division of an
organization where each divisionhead says all of my crew are
present and accounted for.

Speaker 2 (55:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
A question on the lighter side.
Lick any good crackers lately.
No, I am on a no cracker dietright now.
Since I have been off thecrackers, I've been doing much
better and I've much moreregular.
And if anybody would like somecrackers we do have a lot of

(55:45):
extras right at the moment.
Oh so would you like somecrackers?
I can send them to you.
Destiny salazar says I want amystery sandwich.
T-shirt claire nice, nice.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
All right, I'll make that is a good idea.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
You got to make some art which has a two pieces of
bread with a mystery in themiddle is that?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
even so, I have a question is that a scientology
thing or is it a real worldthing?

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I don't know I'm pretty sure that's a Scientology
thing.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay.
So that's why people reactedwhen I said did you say mystery
sandwich?
I did yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
Why did you do that?
You slipped into your nonsensespeak.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
That's what happens when we start talking about
nonsense is you know nonsense,language comes into play.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
You know what is so funny about that L Ron Hubbard.
He essentially said you don'twant to tell somebody something
without telling them the wholestory, otherwise you create
what's called a mystery sandwichand then that person will do
whatever they can to get to thebottom of that mystery.

(56:41):
And so the ridiculous thingabout that statement is
Scientology never tells you thewhole story, and the only reason
that half the Scientologiststhat are watching this video are
watching is because they'refinding out all these, about all
these mystery sandwiches, thatthey always knew there was
something weird happened withthis person or that person or
this organization, but theynever, they will never be told

(57:03):
the truth.
So they come here and they findout all these crazy things.
So if you give a hint thatthere's something else going on,
which they do that inScientology a lot to be like, oh
, you would have, wouldn't youlike to know what happened?
Yesterday, it was like, yeah, Iwould.
Well, I'm not going to tell you, um, anyway, so, um, so yeah,

(57:26):
there's a lot of mysterysandwiches in Scientology that
are answered here onBlownForGoodTV or
BlownForGoodcom orBlownForGoodYouTube or whatever
we call this thing, sptv,dropbox will work for your files
.
Secondly, I heard Tony mentionedabout an ongoing grand jury
investigation in ScientologySpill the tea.
Ongoing grand juryinvestigation in Scientology

(57:46):
spill the tea.
Um, yeah, no, I'm not.
We're not, um, we're not goingto talk about anything that's
going to threaten or, um, uh,jeopardize anything that's going
on saying that we reportedsomething at law enforcement.
You know we did so.
There's nothing wrong with that.
Um, whatever law enforcement,whatever actions or
investigations or whateverthey're doing, we're just going

(58:08):
to let them do that.
That, that seems to be like theless meddling we need to do.
As long as we come acrossinformation that may be valuable
to law enforcement orgovernment officials or senators
or congressmen or whatever,we're going to turn that over
and if they do something, theydo something.
I can't, I'm not going to beeverybody's babysitter.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
So are we going to sit on our laurels and wait?
We're going to keep doing whatwe're doing.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
We'll tell you.
I'll tell you this If somethinghappens, that's a big deal.
You're going to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Yeah, so subscribe and hit that bell notification
and you will get notified.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
If we're allowed to tell you some stuff.
We're going to tell you somestuff and even the fact that I'm
telling you about all these spyfiles and what's inside the
files.
I mean that's kind of a bigdeal Between the Internet the
current and recent abuse ofelders and children and people

(59:09):
and cover up between that.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
And the organic wave known as SPTV Network.
Yeah, I think you guys aregoing to have a bunch of content
up on these channels over thenext one to five years, I'd say
and already for those peopleasking too, just the change that
has happened in the last 15years.
When you first started postingon the internet about

(59:34):
Scientology, I'll be honest, Iwas utterly terrified of what
was going to happen.
So it's definitely, we aremaking progress.
We just don't know what the endgame is.
So, yeah, yep.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
We're doing.
It's getting there, though weget there.
Dean Johnson says what wouldhappen if someone declared Co, b
and SP and emailed allScientologist.
Is there any way to overthrowhim?
No, it doesn't work like that.
He is the ultimate authority inScientology.
So it would be like theultimate authority in
Scientology.
So it would be like, you know,it'd be like like some local

(01:00:08):
sheriff trying to impeach thepresident.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
And not to mention the fact he has signed letters
of resignation from every singleexecutive in Scientology.
So whichever one of them tried,just whip out that letter and
boof they're vaporized.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
That's true.
Yeah, justin Craig, aka LRH 2.0, says Mark, if you need someone
with time to come through thesefor interesting stuff, my
personal life is pretty mundane.
That is a joke.
Justin Craig, aka LRH 2.0, isin prison and I'm pretty sure
he's not sending us super chats.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Oh, I missed that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Yeah, he was a he was kind of like a career criminal
type guy, the guy who decided tobe L Ron Hubbard reincarnated,
which he calls himself LRH 2.0.
Tyler Bennett question Arethere many seniors and
facilities together in LosAngeles?
I think you heard mention youmentioned Glendale previously.
Yes, that is exactly whatthey're doing.

(01:01:09):
They have different facilitiesthat they're putting these
people in and we're also gettingmore and more reports of
different locations wheredifferent people are being held.

Speaker 2 (01:01:22):
So we're figuring out what to best do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Yeah, spt Scott says scumbags.
Just when you think it can'tget worse.
Unbelievable.
Yeah, there is a.
There is a saying withScientology Uh, whenever you
think it's the worst, it getsworse.
They all.
Whenever you think it's theworst it could possibly be.
No, it gets worse.
It gets worse.
A name they have abused myfamily for years, I'm sorry.

(01:01:49):
A name I believe it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
This one is Email me if you need help or if there's
something that we can do.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Okay.
Leah says they're lying aboutelders dying to their families.
Question mark there is proof.
The IRS needs to prove it's nota religion.
No god, anywhere near saintelizabeth.
Yeah, they, they this, this.
This person was told that theirfamily member had passed away
in 2004 and that person is alive.

(01:02:20):
We just found out this lastweek.
That person is alive.
And so what is the deal withthat?
That is insane.
Destiny Salazar says you bothrock.
That is all Okay.
Thank you, destiny.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Salazar.
Thank you, destiny, we alwaysappreciate seeing you here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Does Scientology do name changes to hide these
people?
If so, is there a particularpublication they use to publish
the notices?
No, I don't know about any namechanges the person-.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Oh no, they have.
They have Like MichaelProbilsky.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Oh that, no, no, about the elders, I don't know.
Yes, they have changed the nameof people so that they are
harder to find.
If they do escape or they dosomething like that they do.
We do know of people that theyhave done that with.
So, colette Millette, there's aspecial place in hell for these
blanks.
Yes, there is.

(01:03:14):
Thank you for that, colette.
Yeah, purple Groovy, saysClaire, where's my book?
Did Purple Groovy win something?

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
Shoot me an email.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
Yeah, just shoot me an email.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Just shoot me an email and I'll track it down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I'll send you your tracking.
In the last video we did, wegave something to Purple Groovy
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
I know I'm pretty sure I sent it, but also Japan
of Green Gables was asking.
So just shoot me an email ifyou haven't received your stuff
and I will send you yourtracking information and that
way I can make sure I didn'tmiss anything while we were in
LA and so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
Okay.
Dora Explorer says Scientologysickens me to my core.
Thank goodness you are all notgiving up the fight.
Freaking law enforcementsickens me as well, for not
doing a damn thing.
Yeah, it is a bit frustratingthat, that you know.
I don't know how to explain it.
It's sort of like you thinkeverything.

(01:04:03):
You think everything works theway it does on the TV.
These things take months, ifnot years, to have anything
happen.
So it's not like we just dustedthe scene and we've got the
Prince of all 17 perpetrator.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
No, it doesn't work like that, and we busted open
the gates and we found the file.
But the good news is that we,along our path, are getting far
better educated on what to tellpeople to do and how to document
it and where to report it, andso on and so forth.
So we are learning incredibleinformation that's very, very

(01:04:40):
useful and that's why we'reputting this out there.
Reach out to us, we willrespond and we will help you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
We've been shooting at this dam for like 15 years
and we started out with withslingshots and then we got
pellet guns and we've been hit.
We've been hitting this damwith stuff and it's getting to
the point now that we know wherethe weak points in the dam are
and we also know exactly whichammunition to use in that exact

(01:05:10):
weak spot.
And as we do this further,we're finding additional weak
spots and additional ammunition.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
But just know to anybody out there, your voice
counts.
So if you have family members,you can do something about it,
and please do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, the other thing is we can help somebody get out
if they want out.
We can never get them the timeback.
So if you are one of thesepeople who wants to get out, or
you want to leave, or you wantto to get your fam, other family
member out, it really the onlything we're wasting right now is
time.
Um, you can spend, you can getmore money back, you can get a

(01:05:53):
new job.
You can, you can do all that inin in the next chapter, but we
can never get you back all thetime.
That's just being burned rightnow.
So, uh, if there was one regretI would have, or if there was
one thing I'd wished, I'd wishedsomebody would have told me,
you know, 20 years ago, uh, oryou know 20, you know, when I
was first in for at the Sea Orgfor a year, I wish somebody

(01:06:17):
would have told me then get out.
Now, you know.
So I wouldn't have wastedanother 14 years.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
So, um, anyway, we're trying guys, it's time for a
giveaway.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
You want to do this one Yep sure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Awesome.
Okay, so just write merch bookbobblehead, whichever you would
like, and comment away, and Iwill.
Let me just see here mycomputer tends to freeze still
when this happens, but hold on.
Okay, here we go.
Five, four, three, two, andhold on, Let me catch one, Boom.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Kay Williams.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
Merch, please.
Awesome.
So, kay Williams, go to the BFG, the Blown for Good merch store
on this YouTube channel, pickwhat you would like and send me
a link to that at Claire atBlown for Good dot com and I
will send you the giveaway link.
Very, easy.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Um, Ms Kim says this is what the website would be
great for.
I love all these new channels.
Tried 10 different ways to postthe address here YouTube,
giving me grief.
I'll resend the email latertonight.
Thanks bunches.
Yeah, and there is somebody.
I don't know where I saw it.
I think it was in Facebooksomewhere.
There is a link.

(01:07:39):
See if you can find it.
It's a link to all of the SPTVchannels.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It's a it's a direct SPTV directory.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yes, sptv directory.
I saw that, I've seen thatsomewhere too.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
I'll try and track it down.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Yeah, thank you, kim.
Um yeah, I'm not sure.
Um.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
I'm going to be catching up on my email this
weekend, so yeah, for any foranyone saying, oh, I emailed you
, did you get it?
I'm sure I did.
Um, we've just saying, oh, Iemailed you Did you get it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
I'm sure I did.
We've just.
Yeah, thank you for yourpatience.
The other thing we were doingis we were doing a new BFG
website, but then when we cameout with the store, the store
sort of replaced like 80% of thewebsite.
So we kind of are we stillgoing to do a website?

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, I have to touch base and figure that out.
We are because we're going tomake it so that on the blown for
good website people can uploadpics and send us stuff and
things like that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
That's right, so maybe, maybe we will put the
documents on the blown for goodwebsite.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:37):
Maybe we'll do that, or maybe on the blown for good
website we'll.
It'll be a link to like aDropbox folder that has all of
the um.
That's exactly what we'll do.
We'll put a link to like adropbox folder that has all of
the um.
That's exactly what we'll do.
We'll put a link to them fordropbox and then people could
just download them and read themat their willy-nilly willy if
they want to go through them.
There's a lot of stuff in there.
I don't know if we should dothat before.

(01:08:58):
Well, we'll figure that it's upon exactly what files we have
just yet, until we go throughthem to see if there's anything
in there and you know that's agood question If you're a lawyer
or if you're somebody in lawenforcement that you'd want to
look through these and you havea way to show us that you are

(01:09:20):
and you don't work for LAPD, orwe might have to do a background
check on you to figure outwhich Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
I'm sure there are some good people in.
No, I know there are, I wouldlove for them to reach out to us
and help us, because If you'vegot to go through these things
and see what's legit, what's notlegit.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
I mean there's a lot of there's a lot of stuff in
here.
So, and some of it's it's verysensitive.
A lot of it is very sensitivein nature, so it's personal
stuff about people.
So it's kind of.
It's kind of a weird thing toturn over to somebody because
there's a lot of personal stuffabout a lot of people that are

(01:09:59):
out there.
It could be kind of usedagainst some of them.
And if you believe that some ofthese things are real, yep,
tennessee treasure finder saysquestion what other habits did
you pick up in Scientology thatyou still have today?
You know, I was just talking tosomebody about one of these the
other day.
Such so embarrassing.

(01:10:20):
When I was in the sea for agreat deal of time, I was one of
very few people who could drivea vehicle on public roads.
You have to do a Scientologydriving course to be able to
drive once you're in the Sea,org.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
And it's such a unique name for the course it's
called Car School.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Yeah, it's called Car School.
You could have been a truckdriver.
This is the most ridiculousthing.
You could have been a truckdriver.
This is the most ridiculousthing.
You could have been a truckdriver for 30 years, but once
you joined the Sea Org, youcan't drive unless you do
Scientology car school.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
The course that L Ron Hubbard required that somebody
do in order to drive a vehicle.
It's ridiculous.
Anyway, I was one of the veryfew people who had done car
school, that worked in thecinematography division, so I
would always be driving a 15passenger van with all these
crew in it, or a big lightingtruck with uh, or some vehicle

(01:11:15):
dually with the trailer on theback.
I could drive all thesevehicles Anyway.
Um, I would get given um cashto buy gas, and if you get given
a hundred dollars and you turnin a receipt for $97 and 46
cents, you got to come up withthe change when you turn in your
accounting and you got to tapeit to these pieces of paper.

(01:11:36):
So I was getting thousands andthousands of dollars of of gas
money when I was driving andpaying for all these giant
vehicles to drive.
Drive all over when we wereshooting these internal training
films for Scientology, and sowhenever I would go to a gas
pump, I would always top it to adollar, and so if it wasn't
going to be full, I would try tostop before it would over.

(01:11:58):
When I, I would always try tostop at an even zero, zero, and
this went on for years and years.
Anyway, a few years ago, Ifinally stopped putting in
enough gas to get to zero, zero.
I mean, I haven't been in thesea.
I haven't been in the seahorsesince 2005 and I've been every

(01:12:18):
vehicle.
Every time I filled up, I'vealways got it right to zero,
zero.
And I finally, like about, Iwant to say about a year or two
ago, I was just like what am Idoing?
Why am I?
Why is my life being run bythis gas pump?

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
That's the only thing I can think of that I used to
do, that, I still do, or stilldid until recently.

Speaker 2 (01:12:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
What about you?
You got to answer something too.
I'm not just talking about mystupid gas pump OCD.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
Yeah, I don't know.
You know the whole quote.
Hubbard quote speed of particleflow alone determines power.
Unquote.
And I don't know.
I just have a thing abouttrying to respond to everything
like instantly.
But I don't know, I don't know,I have to think about that one.
It's a really good question.

Speaker 1 (01:13:06):
Yeah, v super sticker .
Thank you for the super sticker.
V.
Sp cracker liquor fan with allthe evidence.
How on earth does lawenforcement justify turning a
blind eye?
You know there are, so it's agood question.
Sp cracker liquor fan.
There, the cracker liquor fan,um, there there's so many moving

(01:13:32):
parts of who's the victim,who's the uh, the the
perpetrator.
What county did it happen in?
Is it a federal crime?
Is it a state crime?
When did it happen?
What are the statutes andlimitations?
It's it.
You almost have to be, um,almost have to be a judge, a
police officer, a lawyer.
You have to be all these thingsto navigate Well, okay.

(01:13:53):
Well, what's the crime that'sbeen committed here?
Who was it committed against?
Is that?
Can we talk to that person?
Is there any evidence?
It's a document that says we,and almost all these documents
are this is what we plan to door this is what we did.
And they have the phone.
Like when you say here's Mark'sphone records for the past four
months, and then you have allthe phone records for the past

(01:14:16):
four months, you're like how isthis not something you can get
in trouble for?
And here's who he talked to onthese days.
And here's a summary of all thepeople that he you know.
It's just like how it isfrustrating.
How do you go Like, no, nothing, nobody.
Oh, when did it happen?

(01:14:36):
2006.
You know, you're like, wow.
Nina G Olson says if somebodyclaimed they were a garbage
collector in a previous life,would the auditor look down on
them?
No, it doesn't work like that.
Like Scientologists believethat you've been a lawyer,
you've been a doctor, you'vebeen a murderer, you've been a,

(01:14:57):
a murder victim.
You've been, you've beeneverything.
You've lived millions of liveson on other planets and other
galaxies and other solar systems.
And this is just like tiny,tiny speck on your what they
call time track, and so it'salmost like everybody has done
everything and everybody's beenhere and done that and done bad

(01:15:19):
things and done good things.
Who cares?
Like?
It's almost like no one cares.
It's that's literally like whenyou assault somebody, it's like
, yeah, whatever you've beenassaulted, you've assaulted
people.
Whoopty, doopty, do like.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
That's literally how they look at it yeah, they're
like all that matters is thework scientology is doing.
Now everything else isjustified.
Just like in harry potter it'sfor the greatest good yep.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
donna dwyer says about the drones.
I wondered for a while whileyou didn't send a drone to where
you thought Shelly might be.
Oh, somebody has absolutelysent a drone there and that is
on the SPT.
We got to find this directory,the SPTV directory, at the very
I think it's at the bottom.
It has the link to the YouTubechannel, the guy that has the
drone, and this guy has shotamazing drone footage at um, at

(01:16:14):
every single um majorScientology facility, or even
this mostly the secret ones isthe ones he's done.
The best footage of Gina D saysthere's an SP cooking channel.
There is.
It's in the works, so we'regetting some recipes together,
but when it's good.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
We'll share it when it's good and ready.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
It's coming.

Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
We've been making amazing and we've been making
the recipes on it Amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:16:33):
Yeah, um, there's a clear it's not us, but it's it's
not us, but we made the.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
We made.
We've been making every singlerecipe we've seen on there so
far.
Oh, I unchecked a super chat.
I'm sorry, guys, I didn't knowwhat happened to it.
It went into the leaf and itwas before 4.47.
See if you can find the oneright before 4.47 pm.
Okay, lafanda Grocklinga, Iknow you've been busy, but I
missed you.
Much love from Germany.
Keep up the great workdeconstructing the web of

(01:16:59):
secrets of this disgusting cult.
Thank you, lafanda.
Yeah, amanda, yeah, we have,we're, we're still here.
You just don't, you just don'tget to see us all the time.
We've been so busy.
We've wanted to do lives abunch of times, but it's just
like you know, we're like nineo'clock at night.
I'm like, should we do a video?
I'm tired.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
I'm exhausted.
I didn't even put makeup on theother day.
I was like, oh, no hell, noyeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:24):
It just gets long.
No, hell, no, yeah, it justgets long.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
Sorry, long, long days I had like 20 hours of
phone calls dealing with acertain matter.
It was exhausting and it's okay.
It's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:35):
Some things we cannot always do that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Yeah, amanda Young says just wanted to say you are
all amazing.
Receive my copy of Blown forGood this week.
Keep, receive my copy of blownfor good this week.
Keep up the wonderful work.
Much love from louisiana.
Thank you very much, amanda, weappreciate it.
Um, yeah, we've.
Um, we've been getting, um,we've been getting orders a lot
of goods.
Um, people are coming to the uhblown for good merch store and

(01:17:58):
picking up.
You can get a book there.
You can get all this.
Uh, where's shelly sptv merch?

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
and I'm gonna catch up on all our thank you messages
right after this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Yeah, and Claire, she get a personal message from
Claire.
She'll thank you on it.
But, yeah, we're getting a lotof comments and people coming to
the merch store and all that,so thanks a lot.
We appreciate all that Miss Kimsays.
The email I'm sending from isSPTV networks.
Having an SPTV hub foreverything will be great.
Yes, um, I think it would beamazing.

(01:18:31):
Um, we're working on it, we'reworking on it.
And when I saw this directory,it was so good too.
Um, it, it, I can't, I don't, Ididn't count.
I should have counted how manywere in there, but we'll put a
link to it in the description.
I just found the one that youmissed.

(01:18:52):
Oh good, perfect, just star itand I'll hit it.
Matt, any chance they'veinfiltrated again, but on a
lower scale?
Any chance they've infiltratedagain, but on a lower scale?
Who?
Oh, the Scientology?
Oh, so what?

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I was going to say on this is like, for example, we
have heard recently that anex-seric member that we knew is
working in a da's office of acertain state.
Um, so we're just kind of gonnasystematically document these
things, and so if you know of ascientologist working in a high
position of authority wheredamage could be done or crimes

(01:19:24):
could be covered up, then let usknow.
We'll file that away in adirectory and continue to share
that with people that need toknow.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Yeah, I will say in these documents, because the
question is any chance they'veinfiltrated again, but on a
lower scale?
In these documents there aremany mentions and it's in the
James.
There are many mentions andit's in the James.
I think it might be in one ofthose James Barber documents.
But they say this lawyer orthis individual or whatever this

(01:19:53):
person is that they're incontact with or getting trying
to get in contact with has agood line to the district
attorney in this area.
So they mentioned that in a lotof these different documents
where, like, if this goes toprosecution, we have somebody
there that we can talk to andand and if you think about it,

(01:20:16):
this James Barber guy, he didwhat he did with a minor and he
got like 38 days in jail orsomething like that or whatever
the amount was, and someprobation and Scientology knew
that he was going to, thatsomething bad was going to
happen.
But 38 days to me seems likenot a lot for what he did and

(01:20:39):
for what they well, but also forwhat they know he did that
wasn't known about by the court.
So there are a lot of thosepeople mentioned in these
documents.
So some of the people that aregoing to get outed in these
documents are people that areenabling Scientology for tickets

(01:21:01):
to the John Travolta premiere,or their wife got to go to a
party and dance with JohnTravolta, or they got to get a
picture with Tom Cruise orwhatever they're doing, whatever
they think is gonna happen forthem, that they're gonna benefit
.
So they'll look the other waywhen one of these Scientology
cases comes across their desk.
Those people are gonna be outed.

(01:21:23):
And there are also some mediapeople that are gonna get outed
in these documents for playinggames and not doing stories
about Scientology, in the hopesthat they might get an interview
with David Miscavige at somepoint.
Thank you for that question,matt.
Michael Lake says long timeviewer, first time chat.
Thank you for your incrediblework.

(01:21:44):
Serious question With theInternet, how are Scientologists
and Sea Org sheltered from thetruth?
Do they truly not Google stuff?
95% of Sea Org members do nothave access to the internet.
They don't have phones, theydon't have computers that are

(01:22:06):
hooked up to the internet.
They're on a Scientologyinternal network that doesn't go
to the outside world unlessthey have special access.
And in the case that they dohave special access to the
internet, it's filtered.
And if, even if they search theword Scientology on
Scientology's network, it willsay access denied and they will
get no.

(01:22:26):
It'll just be like an errorpage will come up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
In fact remember Catherine Olson told us that
they even stopped allowing SeaOrg members to even go to their
own hate sites.
They wouldn't even allow themto look at Scientology's hate
sites.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Yeah, it's so bad that in the C organization, c
org members are not allowed toown iPhones because iPhones do
not allow you to put theScientology spy slash filter
software that Android phones do,so that they can see your
history and you can't erase orcontrol that.

(01:23:09):
Scientology demands that anySea Org member that has a phone
has an Android phone and theyinstall a specific type of app
on it so Scientology can be bigbrother for that phone and see
what they're doing and what and.
And there's no way for them tocircum the person, the
individual, to circumvent thatscience.
So that's for Sea.
Or circumvent the person, theindividual, to circumvent that,
so that's for Sea Org members,the people that sign the

(01:23:30):
billionaire contracts Forcivilian Scientologists, just
your people that are involvedwith Scientology and pay to do

(01:23:51):
counseling or pay you're activein Scientology.
It's it's common that you wouldregularly be interviewed or in a
session where if you didsomething you shouldn't do, it
would come up and you would beum, you would have an impulse to
tell them, so that wheneversomething's not going right in
Scientology in your life, it'sbecause you did something, and
if you did something you got totell them what you did.

(01:24:11):
So if a Scientologist went onthe internet and looked at some
stuff like SPTV, youtube orsomething like that, the next
time they would go in for one ofthese interviewed they would be
compelled to tell them.
And if they did tell them, itcould cost them tens of
thousands of dollars in furtherinterviews to find out every

(01:24:32):
single possible instance thatthey'd done this in the last 25
years, and they have to pay forthat.
So it's very beneficial, ifyou're a scientologist, to don't
be.
Don't let those sandwiches,don't let your appetite get too,
too worked up, don't have anyhankering for any of these
mystery sandwiches.

(01:24:52):
That mystery sandwich is goingto be the most expensive
sandwich you donate, so, um.
So it's sort of like this.
There's like a.
I want to say there's like adelineation when you are a
Scientologist and you're willingto take that jump, you're
already 95% out If you'rewilling to go to what in

(01:25:15):
Scientology they call it thedark side.
If you go to the dark side andthat's the side of what's what
are all these past memberssaying about Scientology and all
the nonsense that's happeningOnce you see the power, once you
taste the power of the darkside, you're never going back.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
And I must say, for a dark side, it's awfully light
and bright and wonderful outhere.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
Yeah, ironically, it's a lot lighter than the not
dark side.
Yeah, yeah, no.
And also there are no Jedis inScientology, so the only people
who have power are the ones onthe dark side.
I mean, I could clear a wholestore of Scientologists in about
20 seconds.
As soon as I walk in, we'rescattered like roaches.

(01:26:01):
That was a great question,michael.
Thank you for that.
Yeah, but yeah.
So to sum it up, uh, if you'rein the seawork and you look on
the internet, it's filtered, andif you do in the seawork, they
find out you were looking.
You get in really, really bigtrouble.
You could go to the rpf, therehabilitation project force,

(01:26:22):
the labor camp or reprogrammingcamp, and if you're a public
scientologist, it's just goingto be very expensive and you do
face the chance of beingdeclared an SP if you do,
depending on what you looked atand what you did on the Internet
.
Yeah, denver Stevo says,speaking of this community's
love for Mike, join us on June26th for a 10 hour chat Up all

(01:26:43):
night for the love of Mike.
Immediately following, mondaynight, live at Clearwater Chad's
and Denver Stevo's places.
These guys are amazing.
Clearwater Chad did a aftermathfundraiser one of these
Chad-a-thons and he raised, Ithink it was like in the end it
was like $2,000.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:27:04):
I think he raised $2,000, the Aftermath Foundation
, and now they're doing afundraiser for Mike, so a
chat-a-thon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Awesome, for the love of Denver, steve-o invited us
to jump on there for that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Yeah, oh yeah, June 20th We'll be.
I'll be here for June 20th.

Speaker 2 (01:27:19):
I mean obviously not for 10 hours.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Oh, I'm not.
I might do it.
I might do a 10 minute segment.
I don't know that.
I'm going to do a 10, 10 hours,that's a lot.
Yeah, no, I logged in.
I've been logging in where Ican.
When I see, oh, somebody's live, I'll go in there and send them
a super chat or something likethat.
But thank you for that.
We'll put a link to thedescription.
Michelle Carpenter Love, love,hate that I'm late, but a love

(01:27:43):
from the SPTV Discord yes, ohyeah.
And for people that are intoDiscord, I know that's kind of
I'm an old fuddy-duddy.
I think it's a young thingthese.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
Discord things.
I have like this aversion Ikeep intending.
Every time Michelle comments,I'm like, oh, that's right, I
have an email, I better go clickon the link and then yeah, send
me.

Speaker 1 (01:28:03):
send me a thing to it too, if you can, and I'll go
check it out.
I'm not, you know, I couldspend.
Some of those things are likeblack holes, so I tend to stay
away from them in case I mightfall.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
Yeah, like I didn't do Twitter for like eight years
and still now I don't really.
I just go on there every oncein a while to promote my next
where Shelley video or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
But anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
OK, let's see Um question.
Have you seen the docs?
Skinny, happy people shinyhappy people.
Shiny happy people.
Skinny happy people.
Um, they have a broken.
That was a Freudian slip on mypart, um, cause I'm a big fat.
So, hey, um, have you seen thedocs?
Uh, shiny happy people.
They have broken child laborlaws and are probably still are.
So your work, claire, will helpchildren and other cults.

(01:28:48):
Yes, I've heard about this.
I haven't seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I haven't seen it either, but it's on my list.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
Yes, I've seen news about it.
Jeff Waltz says merch ideasigned box of crackers.
Can I be the first?
No, I'm not doing that.
Sorry, jeff.
That would require me buyingand selling crackers, which I am
not going to do because I I'lleat them.
I'm going to eat them, I can'tlick them.
By the way, this crackerlicking thing is so nonsense.

(01:29:14):
I tried to lick these crackers.
I could not do it, I had to eatthem.
Hi, mark and Claire Love youguys.
Keep fighting the good fight.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Yes, thank, you, Marilyn, we love you too.

Speaker 1 (01:29:25):
What were you going to say?

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Oh, I was just going to say we have.
Now, in August we will havebeen married 31 years and I have
never seen you lick a crackerwith the exception of the
footage you did for Kelly Copterfor that trailer.

Speaker 1 (01:29:41):
It was such a bizarre thing, oh my God.
Oh shoot.
I did another one, 509 rightbefore 509.
Jld is me.
Mike support vid do today atDenver.
Stevo, mike support vid dotoday.

Speaker 2 (01:29:56):
Yeah, so Denver Stevo asked for people to do like a
short 30 seconds.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
Oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:01):
Mike and send it to me at DenverSte.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
Steve oh dot com I think Okay, well, you got to go
to his channel to see.
Thank you for that.
Jld is me, juliana Bittencourtsays.
Just so you remember who theother team, sptv never ends, is.
Oh, okay, thank you.
Yeah, there's a ton of peoplethat watch these channels.
I was telling you earlierthere's a ton of people that are

(01:30:25):
in Scientology.
They have a relative or theyused to be in the Sea Org.
I want to say 95% of thosepeople that watch the channel
have never had anything to dowith Scientology.
They just want to keep updatedon what's going on.
Oh, here's another one.
Jld is me.
Spv channel list at DBNC oncommunity page Okay, I'm not
sure what that means.

(01:30:45):
Days.
But is me SPV channel list atDB and C on community page?
Okay, I'm not sure what thatmeans but not confused, oh
perfect.
Awesome, there you go.
Oh, I see DB and C Nice.
Is that his new name now I knowhis last one got deleted or
something.
I guess that's his new one.
Dora, explore the list of SBTjust on days, but not confused
community.
Something is, I guess that'shis new one, door, explore the

(01:31:07):
list of SBT just on days, butnot confused community.
Thank you, door.
Um.
And then, uh, melanie Johnsonsays so glad you are exposing
these awful things.
Prayers for these vulnerablevictims.
Claire, you are the sweetest.
Wish I'd been blessed with asister like you.
Um, I wish I'd been blessedwith a sister like Claire.
Uh, my sisters don't hate videosabout me on Scientology
websites um, fat cats heavenquestion of scientology computer
systems ever been hacked?
Yes, they have.

(01:31:28):
Um, that's a story for anotherday.
And um, there was a we shouldget jackson should do the video
on that about the whole incomehacking thing and all the people
that went down there and oh,yeah, I don't think anybody's
ever done a video about that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
No, not in detail.
And the guy Tom Rommelhart, whowas under full 24-7 security
watch for more than a year.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
Yes, oh, my goodness, jackson would be so good to do
a video on that.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
Yeah, jackson, if you're watching.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Do a video on that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:02):
Yeah, Anyway, I mean that's content that could take
up like 20 videos.
Yeah, there there's.
I mean that's that's contentthat could take up like 20
videos.
Yeah, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:11):
Um question, mark do you miss your motorcycle, do you
still ride?
Um, I do miss my motorcycle,but not that much, Cause I
bought the exact same motorcycleall over again, even in the
same amount of miles.
It was the exact same color.
The motorcycle that I had thatI escaped on, I sold to
Universal Studios for Fast andFurious Tokyo Drift and it was

(01:32:33):
one of the Yakuza I think that'sthe Japanese street gang.
It was one of their motorcycles.

Speaker 2 (01:32:39):
As was mine, by the way, because, remember, I had
the same motorcycle and we soldit to the same people.

Speaker 1 (01:32:45):
That's right.
We did Yep.
We sold it to the same people,that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
We did Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
We sold them both bikes.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
Yeah, because we had.
We both had Yamaha TW200motorcycles.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
I totally forgot.
We sold your bike at the sametime.

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Huh, that's crazy.
Yes, but I went when we got toColorado.
I missed it so much that Ifound the exact same year, color
scheme, everything and I boughtit.
So, if you didn't know, I havethe same exact bike that I had
that I escaped on and I do ride.
I'm kind of like a weekendwarrior.
I'll ride like I'll put around.

(01:33:20):
I don't go on the highway oranything, I just drive around
town, maybe like on a Sunday orsomething like that, with one of
the boys we hang out on and gogo somewhere.
Um, I unclicked the Andyfabulous one, if you can find
that one.
Sorry, it was the Andy fabulous, uh oh my gosh honey.
I know, I don't know why I'm outof practice.
What?

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
was the time of it.

Speaker 1 (01:33:38):
Um, it was uh before four, uh before five, something,
I don't know.
I'm just in the middle.
No, just Andy Fabulous Stacey.
Why does the church have agiant cross across their
buildings?
An insult to the cross?
You both are awesome.
Yeah, they have some bignonsense Like.
The reason they have a cross isit's an eight-pointed cross,
because it represents each ofthe eight dynamics, their urges

(01:34:01):
towards survival.
They made up some silly hooplato uh make it a religious cross.
But yes, scientology is a cultmasquerading as a bit, uh, uh,
operating as a businessmasquerading as a religion.

(01:34:21):
I think, uh, uh, brian Seymouruh said that one time.
It's very accurate.
Here we go, arnie Lopez.
Ot levels equals the ultimatemystery sandwich.
It really does In Scientology.
That's the mystery.
There's a mystery sandwich theydon't want you to have, and
then there's mystery sandwichesthey want you to have.

(01:34:43):
So they want to tell you allthese amazing things that happen
on these OT levels, but theynever tell you what the OT
levels are.
In Scientology, ot stands foroperating Thetan, and as you go
up these different levels ofoperating Thetan, you're
supposed to get like okay, now Ican control stuff with my mind,
now I can control other people,now I can do this Now.

(01:35:06):
I can move objects.
Objects, yeah.
None of that stuff ever happensand there ain't no
Scientologist controllingobjects with their mind.
And if they are, they ain't inScientology, they're in a dream
world.
Stacy Y says hope.
The Yorkshire pudding recipe ison the new cooking show we'll
get it, it done.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
We'll make that we're going to send that to them.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
I can't wait to share .
We could even do it here.
We could do the recipe.
No, we'll figure that out, butthat's on there.
We've got some strings.
We can pull over it.
Sp cooking show, whatever it'sgoing to be called.
St Stacey, why?
Thank you very much for that.
I want to get some Yorkshirepudding right now.

(01:35:50):
Quantum guy, with all the abusethat DM inflicts on people, why
has not anyone lost it andstarted wailing on him?
Usually because he's got abunch of big tough guys around
him and most of the people thathe picks on are people that he
knows are not going to hit himback, or he's pretty sure
they're not going to hit himback, and if they do, then the

(01:36:10):
thugs will step in.
But I don't know, man.
I'd really like to see what'shappening.
I'd love to be a fly on thewall recently, because you know,
I don't, wouldn't, I wouldn'tdoubt that somebody somewhere
recently has been like okay,enough's enough.
Somebody could have smackedthat guy, give him a good little
slapper.

Speaker 2 (01:36:30):
Maybe that's why he doesn't hang out at the
Gillen-Hotspur headquartersanymore.
Something went down.

Speaker 1 (01:36:38):
Somebody might have did a little smackity, smack,
smack.
Obi O'Brien says we've missedyou guys.
Welcome back, thank you.
Like I said, we haven't beenanywhere.
We just uh, we just, we're busy, we're trying to do what we're
trying to do.
The videos are kind of, by theway.

Speaker 2 (01:36:53):
Yeah, by the way you, I just I was gonna say
something two comments ago.
It's amy lopez, not arnie arnieyou said arnie, it was amy,
it's oh, oh okay, well, sorryjust letting you know, amy arnie
gotcha amy beachy beachy.

Speaker 1 (01:37:14):
Tara says does dm know about every sp declare?
He's throwing out people leftand right?
He was so paranoid who blew?
I do that to my child's android.
Yes, um, you know what hereally does.
Know most people that aredeclared?

Speaker 2 (01:37:30):
I want to say well, yeah, because he's taken away
anyone else's authority to dothat it's really hard.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
It's actually hard to get declared a suppressive
person without david miscavigeeither knowing about it or being
involved in the reason whyyou're getting declared.
I don't think there's randompeople that are getting declared
SPs that David Miscavigedoesn't know something about
them.
So yeah, I'd say that he doesknow.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
Definitely not of Sea Org members, maybe at lower
levels.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
Maybe, yeah, like a public person that you know went
to the press or something, butI don't know.
Even that is pretty rare andyeah, and the reason he can know
about it is because there arenot that many of them.
We're talking about tens ofthousands of people, so it's not
that are in Scientology andthere could be, you know, maybe

(01:38:25):
a hundred that get declaredevery year, whatever.
Uh, two and a half percent of25,000 is that's how many people
are.

Speaker 2 (01:38:32):
Oh no, their algorithm is is way out of whack
now with SPTV.
They're believing in floods.

Speaker 1 (01:38:39):
Yes, hey guys, I would love to hear the SPTV crew
speak Scientologies together.
If you dream about the Sea Org,is it all abbreviations?
No, I don't.
Uh, I haven't you dream aboutthe Sea Org?
Is it all abbreviations?
No, I don't.
I haven't dreamt about the SeaOrg.
You know, I'll tell yousomething that's really crazy,
guys.
I used to have nightmares allthe time about Scientology and
being back there and my kidswere somehow locked up and I

(01:39:02):
would have nightmares all thetime.
Once I wrote my book and themore we talk about it, I don't
ever, I can't remember.
I mean, it's at least beenmonths since I've had a
Scientology nightmare where Iused to have them every single
night.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
Yeah, I had one two nights ago.
Because of this recent stuff,that's been going on, it was all
related to that and I was like,but yeah, when I was talking to
Catherine Spolino the othernight on our All Things
Scientology with Amy Scobieshe's the author of the Bad
Cadet she was saying the samething.
She was like she had nightmaresand then she wrote her book and

(01:39:38):
it really helped with that.
So I was like, oh, mark saysthat all the time I got to hurry
up and finish my book.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Darn it to hurry up and finish my book.
It really does it kind of just,you know, just washes the
nonsense away.
Yeah, I hope TC watches theseSP channels.
I don't think he is.
I think that's in relate thatTC means Tom Cruise.
I don't think he is.
But yeah, hopefully he is.
But I doubt that he is.
Debbie Johnston.

(01:40:02):
I finished your book this pastweek and I totally cried at the
end, picturing you meetingClaire at the bus station.
What an amazing story for yourfamily and your children and
future generations.
Yeah, that is that is probablythe best part of the book is, is
we when, after I break out, afew weeks later I break Claire
out and they try to intercepther and they meet her in Vegas?

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
And they called you and told you it wasn't coming.

Speaker 1 (01:40:27):
Yes, they called me and said they had her and she
was going back with them.
And then they told her thatthey had gotten me back and I
was on my way back.
So they told each of us theopposite story, so that either I
would go back and then shewould leave, or that she
wouldn't leave and I would comeback.
It was oh my goodness, you gotto read it Boneforgoodcom or

(01:40:49):
boneforgoodstorecom.
Marianne, just want to thankyou for going above and beyond
to make this world a betterplace.
A lot of YouTubers, even SPTV,are doing this for mainly
monetary reasons.
Again, thank you.
Yeah, I mean, I wish I couldmake a living doing this, but
this is sort of like a sidething that we do.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Yeah, plus we both like what we do in real life.

Speaker 1 (01:41:09):
Yeah, I'm not.
I make way more money doingother stuff than to do this, and
that's why we, legitimately,that's why we don't do, you know
, 78 videos a week.
But we're doing, we are workingon stuff that we can talk about
and we're not doing, you know,if we don't have anything to
tell you guys, it's like why?

(01:41:30):
Why should we do a video?
Let's, let's have some goodstuff to talk about.
If we're going to, uh, if we'regoing to talk about it, Yep, Um
, Seneca says Denver Stevo isputting together a video
greeting card for Mike.
Vids from all of us.
Today is the last day to submitvids to Denver Stevo.
That's very nice.
Yeah, we talked about that alittle earlier.
Lori plays.

(01:41:50):
Claire knows every inch ofMark's cracker licking.
She does.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
Yeah, that's in a relation to the CNN.
Show that the Inchwives, theScientology Inchwives, Anderson
Cooper.
History of Violence.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
There you go.
Joanie Cummings, two of myfavorite people, question.
Tony Cummings, two of myfavorite people Question how can
one the help the people who arecoming out of Church of
Scientology, who has limitedresources?
You can go to the AftermathFoundation.
The Aftermath Foundation wascreated to help people that are

(01:42:21):
either trying to escapeScientology or have just escaped
Scientology, and they need tobecause they're friends and
family and business associatesand everything we're all
Scientology connected.
They need to because they'refriends and family and business
associates and everything we'reall Scientology connected.
They need to get new resourcesor be able to get a job.
Some of the people that we'vehelped have never driven a car.
They don't have a GED, theydon't, they didn't go to school,

(01:42:41):
they haven't lived in the realworld.
They don't know how to creditcard works, they don't know how
to use a cell phone or you know.
These people are like StarmanOK, if you ever saw the movie
Starman with Jeff Bridges.
These people have, in a lot ofcases, particularly Sea Org
members, these Sea Organizationmembers that have signed a
billion years.
Some of these people have beenin the Sea Org for the past 30
years, since they were 15 yearsold.

(01:43:02):
They've never lived in the realworld.
15 years old, they've neverlived in the real world, so it's
like somebody coming out ofprison after 50 years and they
have to be re acclimated tosociety.
That's what the aftermath helpfoundation helps with.
And if you go to the aftermathfoundationorg you can sign up to
be a volunteer.
Which is like hey, we need aguy picked up from Philly at

(01:43:23):
this corner in Philadelphia andbrought to the the you know the
airport, so we can fly him towhere his mom lives, or you know
whatever.
Um to hey, we've got a guy whoneeds some winter jackets.
Anybody size 46, that's got awinter jacket they can donate.
You know, just dumb stuff likethat.
You could be on that mailinglist for the volunteers.
Whenever we need something, wesend an email, blast out to

(01:43:45):
depending on what you'vevolunteered for, we send
something out to those people toask them for something.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
Yep, it's pretty awesome.
We have like thousands ofvolunteers at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:43:56):
Yes, and you can also just donate.
If you don't want to do any ofthat nonsense, you can just say
okay, I'll here's 50 bucks orhere's 10 bucks or here's five
bucks.
Linda S at blown forget Didn'tsee message show up in chat.
Question reporting dead elders.
Are they cashing socialsecurity, medicare checks?
Federal case would be lookedinto.
Maybe their greed will get them.
Yeah, basically what they'redoing is they're putting elderly

(01:44:19):
people in um, I'm not going tosay facilities but places, say
facilities but places.
And then those places aregetting that social security as
payment for staying there and insome way money's going back to
Scientology to pay down likejust paying interest on credit

(01:44:40):
cards.
And so if they get somebody$80,000 in credit cards that
they know is being diagnosedwith a terminal illness so
they're going to pass away inthe next six months to two years
, they put them in this place,they get all these credit cards
and then the disability is justkeeping everything going and

(01:45:01):
then when that person passesaway, the debt disappears.
That person passes away, thedebt disappears.
So if this hasn't, if thiswouldn't have happened on
multiple occasions and different, various scenarios, I wouldn't
say that this is a prevalentthing.
But we've been hearing about somuch of it from so many
different places and locationsand people and sources, and it's

(01:45:24):
been happening over I want tosay, like a 10 year period where
we've been hearing these thingshappening.
It's almost the same story inevery single instance and it's
usually for anywhere from 25,000to $200,000 worth of money that
they were able to get out ofthis elderly person.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
Thank you, linda, not a sheeple.
Not a sheeple.
So glad to hear I got my mugT-shirt and hoodie.
I hope my meager Canadiandollars will help Mike.
He deserves many more healthyyears.
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you for everyone who sentin support for Mike and
hopefully this first stage willtake care of it and if there's a

(01:46:05):
second stage or there aremultiple stages, we'll let you
know if we need to.
You know, fire back up thefundraising machine here.
Yep, oh, here it is.
Does Mike need any more forthis?
He is so loved.
Love you both and I'm so happyto see you tonight.
Thank you, angelina.

Speaker 2 (01:46:18):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:19):
Yes, please let us know when if Mike needs more
funds.
Yes, thank you, love it.
I've been loving the channel.
My local library has a copy forthe diagnostic book by good old
LRH oh, the diagnostic bookBesides the book by Miss

(01:46:44):
Scavage's dad.
That's so awesome.
Yeah, you know that is.
Another thing which they can'treally stop is we have so many
ex members that are writingbooks and documenting their time
in Scientology and that isreally the thing that turned me
to do.
This channel was Patrick BetDavid that I did an interview
with.
He was talking about leavingbehind a legacy and documenting

(01:47:07):
your life and this kind of thingand I thought you know what?
We should totally document theScientology nonsense and then,
no matter what happens, futuregenerations and other people see
we, we did everything we couldbut, despite what happens in the
future, we, we tried.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Yeah, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:47:26):
Thank you for that, Haley.
Stephanie Hutchison.
Hey, Stephanie.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
Hey, Stephanie.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
I used to call her Stefani, like I call.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Like Cassie and Casey .
Casey, Cassie.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
Yeah, I will be hosting Mike Rinder's Thursday
Funnies column on my blog justuntil he's back on his feet and
can take back the reins.
Well, thank you, that's awesome, amazing, yeah, there's so many
people that.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
I'll add.
I'll make a note.
I'm sure Goldie is posting thelink, but we can put it in the
video description for this aswell.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Awesome.
Okay, did we do anothergiveaway.
Did we do a third giveaway?

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
We didn't yet no.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
Are we supposed to?
Oh no, it's at the two-hourmark.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
We'll do that Well yeah, I think we finish up our
comments and then we can do itat the show finale.

Speaker 1 (01:48:16):
I like it.
I like it, I'm going to rollwith it.
Sweet, here we go.
Kitty and Lou Question how manypeople?
Kitty and Lou question how manypeople do you think stay in due
to pride?
I know my parents and 100%grandparents raised in the
fifties and sixties would neverpublicly look a fool.
Yeah, there's definitely a tonof folks that don't want

(01:48:41):
anything to do with them anddon't give them money, don't
participate in anything, butthey they're never going to go
out and publicly say we don't,we're not Scientologists because
they dedicated the last 50years to this nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yeah, it's the psychological phenomenon of sunk
cost traps, sunk cost trap, and.
But I will say that, evendespite that, more and more
people are willing to wake up.
And every time we expose a newthing, some new person goes wait
a minute.
That cannot be.
A church can't be doing that.

(01:49:17):
You know, it's never too lateto get out, never, ever too late
.

Speaker 1 (01:49:21):
Yeah, I was talking to somebody who was a
Scientologist the other day andthe thing that broke the kind of
the barrier for them or madehim cross over to the dark side
was when they found out that alot of things that Scientology
had said that LRH created henever created.
And I was thinking about itlike, oh yeah, that's I mean L

(01:49:44):
Ron Hubbard essentiallycrowdsourced Scientology.
So they have this thing inScientology called study
technology where you look upmisunderstood words and you do
demonstrations in clay and andthere's like a thing called a
skipped gradient and it's thebarriers to study what to study
technology is based on.
Yeah, l Ron Hubbard neverthought this up.

(01:50:07):
He didn't make this.
A couple that was inScientology figured this out and
then they wrote up the wholesubject and they sent it to him.
He declared them suppressivesfor squirreling Scientology
policies and then codified whatthey had written into the study

(01:50:28):
technology and he wrote it as hewas the author of it and that's
the same thing You'll find ifyou start looking into this.
Ron Miscavige did this.
When he left, ron Miscavigeknew that his son was a piece of
work and it was not doing whathe thought L Ron Hubbard would

(01:50:50):
do.
But he believed that L RonHubbard was genuine and his work
was of value.
And I said that's bullshit.
And he said, well, I'm going tofind out what he created and
what he didn't create.
And he proceeded to identifyall these key parts of

(01:51:10):
Scientology that Hubbard juststole from some other thing,
including Scientology itself islike some German book written in
like 1904 or something.
Anyway, but so, but this thing,was this person, that this
individual Scientologist that'sthe thing that flipped her to
the other side was like, wait aminute, the L's, which is like

(01:51:32):
this auditing you do in Florida,which is really popular
Scientology service, yeah, waswritten by this guy that was
declared a suppressive person,called.
What was that guy?
The big SP guy, david?

Speaker 2 (01:51:44):
Mayo.

Speaker 1 (01:51:44):
David Mayo is the one who wrote the auditing levels,
the L's in Scientology.
They still do them to this day.
L Ron Hubbard had nothing.
This guy did these on L RonHubbard and then L Ron Hubbard
said these are great, I want youto write these up and we'll do
these as a Scientology serviceTo this day.

(01:52:07):
The thing the documents thatshow you how to do these levels
are written by David Mayo.
They are not written by L RonHubbard.
So there's all sorts of thingsin Scientology that L Ron
Hubbard just stole from otherpeople and when Scientologists
find that out, they're like well, wait a minute, you know like
they're messing with people,they're abusing things.

(01:52:29):
And this L Ron Hubbard guydidn't even come up with any of
this stuff.
He just made it up and thenstole a bunch of stuff and
you're like what?

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Yeah, which.
The book Barefaced Messiah byRussell Miller is amazing To me.
Anyone who's ever been aScientologist or whoever wants
to know anything about L RonHubbard's actual life should
read that book.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Yeah, not the Scientology version.
No, oh, here we go.
Here's the Andy Fabulous onethat got deleted.
Claire, still does KRs on MarkTough habit to break.
Yes, see what I'm saying.
Isn't it weird that was thecomment that got deleted.
Maybe I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
I know, when I found out I was like oh brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Here we go.
Maybe I didn't delete thecomment.
I just saw that it got deleted.
Now we know the truth, holymoly.
For the record, I do not reallywrite a lot when I was there.

Speaker 2 (01:53:23):
Oh, stop it.
Oh my gosh Insert eye roll.

Speaker 1 (01:53:27):
Oh, I think we already read this one, or maybe
it's another one.
Joni Cummings, you two are myfavorite people.
Thanks for all you do.
Send love both of you and toMike and Christy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Thank you.
Thank you, Joni.

Speaker 1 (01:53:39):
Kim Loss, my friend was declared less than two weeks
ago.
Kim lost.
My friend was declared lessthan two weeks ago.
She wasn't informed, but herfamily and all but one friend
unfriended her on Facebook.
I thought that they weren'tdoing that currently.
Any info?

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
Yeah.
So, kim, maybe email us.
They are doing that currentlyare doing that currently the.
What they're not doing isgiving the person a written
piece of paper that says thatthey're declared a suppressive
person, which is ironic, becauseeven that is a violation of
hubbard policy because, quote ifit isn't written, it isn't true

(01:54:19):
well, to be fair, they'reshowing the people and then
they're not letting them have acopy of it and they're not
letting them bring a phone.
Yeah, maybe they're not evenshowing it to them anymore.
Or reading it, who knows?
But either way, kim, if we cando anything to help, let us know
.

Speaker 1 (01:54:32):
Yeah, Destiny Salazar says at some point, DM will be
in a cult of one.

Speaker 2 (01:54:38):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:54:39):
Yeah, that's not.
That's not not too far from thetruth.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:54:43):
Walter Zikanowski question Can you talk about how
Scientology is working to savethe world?
Do they really do a lot ofcharitable work?
No, they don't.
The little charitable work theydo is usually photo ops, Like

(01:55:11):
yeah, they have a lot ofpictures of them at ground zero
handing out water bottles, andthen the other things they do is
at at disaster sites.
They do disaster relief, whichis them giving like very light
back rubs at best.

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
And it's funny we were remember we were talking
about this the other night theit's so ironic to me that the
time that we volunteer for theaftermath foundation, we do more
to actually help people.

Speaker 1 (01:55:41):
Scientologists.

Speaker 2 (01:55:42):
Scientologists than we ever did when we were in
Scientology.
It's just so crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:55:49):
Yeah, and people, you know, when you say you're
helping somebody, um, you know,it's one thing to you know,
sometimes people just needsomebody to say I'm here for you
, that's it, that's all theyneed.
They just need the support tosay listen, you know what, if
you need anything, I'm here andI'll give you whatever you need.
That's not something thathappens in Scientology.

(01:56:16):
So even if you have a familymember that's in Scientology and
they and you don't know if theywant to leave or if they want
to stay, even if you just say,listen, you know, if you ever
need anything, I'm here for you.
What they want to stay, even ifyou just say, listen, you know,
if you ever need anything, I'mhere for you.
What doesn't matter what it is,I'm here for you.
That goes a long way.
That's just.
I mean that goes a long wayjust in life, but in Scientology
that's very, very rare to to bethat way.

(01:56:38):
If somebody does somethingagainst the ways of Scientology,
if you do, if you do somethingthat's not in Scientology's best
favor, you're dead to them,like that's it, it's over.
And so if there is somebody inthe outside world that said, hey
, if you need anything, I'm herefor you.
It's very likely that ifthey're in a bind, they're going
to come and talk to you, andthat's just good advice for

(01:57:03):
anybody.
If you know somebody in yourlife and you haven't talked to
them at all and you care aboutthem, just let them know that
you're there for them and thatyou know you don't know how that
could affect them and theirwhatever struggles personal
struggles are going.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
Yeah, like you said earlier, the one thing you can't
do is take back time.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Casey, casey, casey, since I was summoned.
Cassie, cassie, cassie, since Iwas summoned.
Love you guys.
Oh my gosh, you're the best.
Cassie, cassie, cassie, cassie429.
Two cases in a row pronounce myname, lol, cassie, thank you

(01:57:39):
cassie, thank you, cassie429.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
Say my name.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
I should.
Whenever this one, I shouldalways call her Cassie429.

Speaker 2 (01:57:50):
Yes, there you go, Cassie.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
Richard Dineen.
Oh, that's funny.
Thank you, Richard Dineen.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:57:57):
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:57:59):
I think that's a code .
I know what that is, mariaDeJesus Gutierrez.
8774rseniors equals LA CountyElder Abuse Hotline yes that's
true.
Yep Maria did a whole bunch offootage for that video when we

(01:58:21):
asked people.

Speaker 2 (01:58:21):
Yes, maria, she sent in so much footage for that
video when we asked people yes,Maria, you are an artist.

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
She sent in so much footage.

Speaker 2 (01:58:25):
Yeah, and some of the pictures you sent in are just
stellar.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
Amazing.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:58:31):
Maria, and yeah, anyway, okay, we need to add
that form to the Dropbox so wecan.

Speaker 1 (01:58:37):
Yeah, Okay, Cool.
Carla Zabeti, Could you askBrian Seymour to post the
10-part Scientology special hedid?
Got pulled by Australian TVchannel, scared of legal throats
, on your YouTube.
You know it was postedsomewhere and I don't know if
it's still up somewhere.
Can you look into that, Claire?
Yep, and yeah, shout out toBrian Seymour, one of the most

(01:58:58):
successful journalists to everreport on Scientology.
And well, he's the most famousand the best in Australia.
That him and Steve Kanaan maybeyou know different in different
ways we're, you know, both onthe podium, but very good.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Thank you for that, Carly Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Nikki's mom says who is Goldie?
Keep hearing the name.
Keep up the good fight.
Awesome from Brooklyn, new York, hearing the name keep up the
good fight awesome from brooklyn, new york.
Goldie is our um moderator thatkeeps um all of this, uh, this
chat and all the comments andeverything um properly moderated
she helps make, she makes themagic happen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:59:34):
Goldie makes the magic happen yeah, and she's the
moderator for several sptvchannels, which I'm not sure
exactly how that works.
I still think she's not aperson, she's a robot or
something, but Claire says she'stalked to her.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
She's an amazing person.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
I have the calm domain, starting with the SPTV
directory, but super chat won'tlet me post it as an address.
Have been waiting for SPTVapproved list to post.
Okay, awesome, well.

Speaker 2 (02:00:00):
I think I have an email and like I said I'll work
on catching up on my email thisweekend so many things going on.

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
Thank you for that, maria hot crossed scones.
Thank you for the super chat,thomas wall.
Thank you for the super chat.
It says from hi, from swedenlove your channel.
Thank you, tamas.
Thank you, um, I appreciate it.
Sorry, I said your name wrongat first.
Um, as soon as I saw sweden, Iwas like, oh, that's not Thomas,
that's Tomas.
Thank you, tomas.
And with that we're going to doour last giveaway.

(02:00:28):
That is all of the questionsthat we had started and there
was a bunch of non-super chatsin there, and now we're going to
give away the last one.
Did you do the last one?

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
I did the last one so you can do the finale.

Speaker 1 (02:00:46):
Okay, good, if you are in the chat and you would
like a gift, a merchandise itemof your very own for a no cost
at all, we will give you one.
People donate.
They go on the blown for goodstore link in the description
and they just donate and theysay this is for giveaway, and we
just keep track of those andthen next time we do a live, we
do the giveaways.
It's usually two or three, acouple handful a week and we

(02:01:06):
make sure we give them away.
So if you would like one ofthose things bobblehead, uh, uh,
merch a book bracelet.
Oh, we're giving away SPbracelets too.
Sure.
Well, you could get one ofthese.
You know, I'm level.
I revealed today on Aaron'schat that him and I were both SP
level 15.
But you can just be SP levelone.

(02:01:26):
Sp level one's getting one ofthese bracelets.
It says SP.

Speaker 2 (02:01:30):
Are you doing the bridge to total suppression?

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Oh yeah, I'm doing the bridge to total suppression.
And just so you know, thoseguys, the Scientologists, they
have a bracelet too.
When they go clear, they get abracelet that has a Scientology
logo on it and it has a numberon the back that says which
number clear they're up to.

Speaker 2 (02:01:49):
One time somebody made me give them what SP number
they were.

Speaker 1 (02:01:53):
Yes, we have that, so they could engrave their
bracelet.
Yeah, anyway, so we, the SPs, wehave bracelets too.
So there, scientology,Nanananan, boo-boo, we're better
than you.
You Stick your head in doodoo.
And this and this bracelet youcan get on the SP store.
I mean, if you're gonna be anSP, might as well shop.
It's called the SP shop, butthe SP shop calm, and you can

(02:02:18):
get them there and we'll put alink in the description if you
want to get one of those.
But meanwhile we're doing agiveaway in the description if
you want to get one of those,but meanwhile we're doing a
giveaway.
I almost got carried away.
Well, it's still going.
Holy moly, my computer is.
I got to catch up here.
I'm going to do a five, I'mgoing to do a countdown for this
one.
I'm going to do a five, four,three, two, and then I will

(02:02:41):
follow that up with a one andthen clickety, click, click on
Carmen, noseworthy Gift, please.
All right, she done got it.

Speaker 2 (02:02:52):
Okay, carmen, shoot us an email and let us know
which gift you were looking for.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
Yeah, I, you know, I saw that um thumbnail on a
comment.
We read I thought oh so maybewe that person got double lucky
there with a comment or they didthis, Maybe they did a super
chat or something.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
Anyway, thank you for that.
Yeah, and if you want to do twolast comments there were two
that at that came in- oh, ohsorry we did.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
We've missed some.
Yeah, Rural SD lawyer says,took a quick tour of the St Paul
org while in the area for sometraining Empty, dark, creepy.
One of the videos the guywanted to show up was broken.
Wanted to stay longer, but itwas too weird.
Oh my goodness.
Yeah, I designed those displays.
I'm not sure how they ended upbuilding them and executing my
design, but it sounds like it'sa show of the poo.

Speaker 2 (02:03:45):
Thank you, royal Estee lawyer, we appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Thanks for being here .
Oh, and then Anne Hummingbirddid a super chat for book.
You know, Anne Hummingbird,normally I wouldn't do this, I'd
just take your super chat andrun with the money.
But get Claire an email andwe'll send you a book.

Speaker 2 (02:03:59):
There you go yeah.
I'm feeling a philanthropistand don't forget every time we
hit our next thousandsubscribers, we do a book
giveaway.
We haven't been mentioning thatlately.

Speaker 1 (02:04:12):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
And when we hit 34,000 last week, I sent someone
an email and I said hey, youwin a book.
And they were like wait, what?
Yeah, is this a mistake?
I'm like no, it's not a mistake, I have a spreadsheet that
covers that too.

Speaker 1 (02:04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:27):
Documents, every book we've given away.

Speaker 1 (02:04:30):
Yeah, when we click over every thousand, we click
over every thousand subscribers.
So we just we're at three34,264.
When we ticked over from 33,999over to 34,000, claire just
goes through the comments and ifsomebody said they wanted a
book, she just randomly picksone of those people and says you
get a book.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
Or even if they didn't say they want a book
cause we haven't been mentioningit, so people haven't been
doing it.
I'm like hey, you want a book.

Speaker 1 (02:04:55):
Yes, so anyway, thank you very much guys for tuning
in.
If you again, you know wehaven't been, we haven't really
been doing any of our brandthings, or you know what I'm
saying.
I don't even know if I havetitles for them anymore.
That's how long we haven't doneit.
Banners here it is.
Let's just do this.
We haven't done this in so longI forgot how to do it.

(02:05:17):
So if you do want to get a book, a Blown for Good book, I wrote
a book about being inScientology and working at the
international headquarters for15 years and it's called Blown
for Good, behind the IronCurtain of Scientology.
You can get it atBlownforgoodcom or you can go to
the link in the description forthe Blown for Good store

(02:05:37):
Bobbleheads.

Speaker 2 (02:05:47):
We have a Mike Rinder bobblehead and SP bracelets
that can be gotten at thespshopcom and proceeds from the
spshopcom go to the aftermathfoundation to help people escape
scientology.

Speaker 1 (02:05:51):
That's right.
And if you don't want to gothrough the not the hassle of
getting a bobble at micro enderbobblehead or an sp bracelet to
support the aftermath foundation, you can just just go directly
to the aftermath foundationwebsite, which is the aftermath
foundationorg, and you can clickon the donate button, or you
can become a volunteer, or youcan get some of these little SP,
uh aftermath cards that we haveand you can leave those out

(02:06:12):
near a Scientology organizationin case one of their members
sees one.
They know that there's somebodyout there and, um, yeah, look,
this is how long ago I use this.
It says don't forget tosubscribe, trying to get to
29,000.
So, yeah, only 5,000subscribers.

Speaker 2 (02:06:28):
We gotta update that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
Yeah, so don't forget to subscribe.
We're trying to get to 35,000.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
35,000, that's a really awesome marker.
So thank you to everyonesupporting and thank you to the
nearly 2,000 people who are withus now.
If you haven't subscribed,please don't forget to do so and
hit the bell notification, soyou will be notified of new
content.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
Awesome.
On that note, until next time,guys.
Thank you for tuning in.
Thank you for watching to helpsupport the channel.
Feel free to check out themerch store link in the
description.
We have Hail Xenu Xenu is myhomeboy and BFG branded mouse
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(02:07:13):
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You can also pick up a copy ofmy book Blown for Good Behind
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There's also a link to ourpodcast and you can get that on
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(02:07:34):
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