From Escape to Inventory: How Scientology Packed Our Lives into 60 Boxes - Scientology Secrets #15 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_03 (00:21):
Hey, hey, hey.
Happy Sunday, everybody.
Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_00 (00:24):
Um, it froze on my screen, so hopefully it didn't
freeze on your screen.
I said this that it would freezeas soon as we started.
Um you sure did.

SPEAKER_03 (00:32):
You predicted the future.

SPEAKER_00 (00:34):
Yep.
So hopefully we're not freezingup for everybody, but um we'll
see.
I don't know.
I don't know what it is.
Uh Clara says it's good, sowe're gonna we're gonna go with
it being good.
Um, I'm gonna switch to the maincamera there.
And um, there we go.
Um, so even if it is freezing onour end, or on our end, it looks
like it's good for everybodyelse.

SPEAKER_03 (00:53):
I hope so.

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Wow, we've already got 70 people in here, guys.
So we're gonna just jam throughthe comments here, wait for a
few more people to show up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01):
Especially, especially since we're getting
input that we are frozen.
So we're good.
Froze.
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09):
Oh, yeah, we're frozen, but the comments come
up, so you can keep readingthose.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12):
Awesome.
Um share, hello from theNetherlands.
Nice.
Thank you for being here, Clara.
Hey everyone, look forward,looking forward to an amazing
live stream today.
Thanks for being here, Clara.
We always appreciate you.
Bokbuddy, hello from Minnesota.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
Okay, hold on.
I'm gonna hold on, I'm gonna dosomething here.
Hey guys.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33):
That's the backstage cam.
There you go.
We're unfrozen now, I think.
Uh okay, Cher, hello from theNetherlands again.
Uh, Tracy, howdy from Wyoming.
Good to see you.
Wild family.
Hello from Hammett, California.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47):
Valley of the Beast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
Oh my goodness, a town we know all too well.
Christina.
A heartfelt hello from Germany.
Nice.
Sherry, hello, all fromMinnesota.
Awesome.
Rose Waterhouse.
Hi from the Willamette Valley,Oregon.

SPEAKER_00 (02:04):
Willamet met Willametta.
Willameta.

SPEAKER_03 (02:08):
Mary Kay London.
Happy Sunday from Albuquerque,host International Balloon
Fiesta.
Yeah, we've been there manytimes.

SPEAKER_00 (02:15):
We've done the balloon fest, a whole bunch.

SPEAKER_03 (02:17):
Yes, balloon fiesta, not balloon fest.
Uh, at Sherry N.
Hey, I was born in Minnesota.
Grand Moray.
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
Okay, there's somebody else.

SPEAKER_03 (02:28):
Oh, Rose says at least Claire can say it right.
Boom! Finally.
Hi, Rose.
I'm on the other side of thestate in Moorhead.
Grand Moray is beautiful.
Becky, hello from holiday inGreece.
Nice.
We'll catch up on replay crew.
Steve, go time.

(02:49):
Hello from Louisiana.
Yes, go time indeed.
Never dull moment over.

SPEAKER_00 (02:53):
So many people in here today.

SPEAKER_03 (02:54):
Terese, hi from Indianapolis, Indiana.
Todd Johnson, Samish,Washington.
All right.
Christine, hi from Chili Walk.
Grace Case.
Hello from Austin.
Nice.
I like that name.
Hi from Sweden.
Awesome.
Hello from Arizona.
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (03:15):
Uh oh, you're missing a mom.

SPEAKER_03 (03:17):
Yeah, I know.
You're going way too fast.
Hello from upstate New York.
Oh my gosh.
Mark is on a roll today, folks.
Hello from Ontario, Canada.
Sherry Lynn, December.
Hello from Tennessee.

SPEAKER_00 (03:28):
I'm afraid to switch over to your camera that it'll
freeze.
See?

SPEAKER_03 (03:31):
I think we're frozen again.

SPEAKER_00 (03:32):
Yeah, because I switched over to your camera.
Gosh, guys, we had this all goodand I all good.
And I said it was probablyfreeze on the uh.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (03:41):
Hola.
Code Monkey.
Hola, Thetan Dwellers.
Yes, there you go.
Good fella.
Hi from Copenhagen.
All right.

SPEAKER_00 (03:49):
We got a lot.
There you go.
There's people from everywhere.
We can't read them all.
We're going to struggle.

SPEAKER_03 (03:53):
Go time.
All right.
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Hello from Necessary Trouble.

SPEAKER_01 (04:00):
There we go.
We got to burn through these.

SPEAKER_03 (04:02):
B invasion from Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 (04:04):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (04:04):
Hello from Florida.
Nice.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (04:07):
Let's see if we do this.
Okay, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (04:09):
The BTs are messing with us because it's going to be
such a good stream.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (04:14):
Did you hear that?

SPEAKER_03 (04:15):
I did hear that.

SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
That's my BT alarm.
When they get near, I don'tknow.
I have a little sense.

SPEAKER_03 (04:20):
We'll have to see if anyone.
Comment if you hear any strangenoises.
We've got some alien invasiongoing on here.

SPEAKER_00 (04:29):
Every time somebody mentions BTs, I gotta hit them.
Okay.
Um, we have so much today.

SPEAKER_03 (04:36):
Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_00 (04:37):
We have so much.

SPEAKER_03 (04:38):
We do.

SPEAKER_00 (04:38):
We're gonna do a giveaway at the end for Davy
Dahl.
We have the Davy Dahl photocontest winners for the first
month.
A little shaky on the theadministration of that, but
we're still gonna do thegiveaways.

SPEAKER_03 (04:51):
We'll get there.
We'll be better for next month,folks.

SPEAKER_00 (04:53):
And then we have a lot we th we re we're not gonna
do, we're not gonna feed into anaftermath video today because
for one, the Broncos wereplaying the game today, and we
had to watch that.
We beat Philly.
So let's ride.
Go Broncos.
Go Broncos.

SPEAKER_03 (05:10):
But then we're the most unlikeliest football fans
in the world.

SPEAKER_00 (05:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:14):
But hey.

SPEAKER_00 (05:15):
We'll get some Broncos stuff in here.
Look at this.
I did a Broncos 7K back there.

SPEAKER_03 (05:18):
Yeah, like 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_00 (05:20):
Okay, but still I did it.
Yeah.
It's pretty good for a fatty torun a 7K.

SPEAKER_03 (05:24):
Oh my god.
Stop it with your body shaming.

SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Okay.
Anyway.
Um, so we gotta we have a story.
We've been talking about thisstory for years that we're gonna
do this because it's a crazystory.

SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
Well, it was to be fair, it was gonna be in your
book two.

SPEAKER_00 (05:40):
It still is in the book two.

SPEAKER_03 (05:41):
Yeah, it still is in your book two.
But we're gonna blow it.
We're gonna blow it.
Life's gotten in the way, and wefigured, you know, we should
just get this out there becauseit's some crazy stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (05:51):
It's gonna be amazing.
You're gonna love it, guys.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (05:54):
So it doesn't get much better than this.
If you know Mark and hisstorytelling capacity, this is
one that belongs in the archivesof Blown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:07):
I think we've told this story to a lot of people.
Even in private, we reallyhaven't told it.

SPEAKER_03 (06:11):
We've told it to some people in private, but not
a lot.
No, no.

SPEAKER_00 (06:14):
Okay, so let's try something here.
I'm gonna go to me and I'm gonnago to here.
It worked.
Yay!

SPEAKER_02 (06:22):
Hit me up here.

SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
BTs are very uh they're very finicky BTs, these
BTs.
My BTs up until now just like toeat a lot.
We got some weird techno BTs inhere now.
Not a fan of these techno BTs.
Oh, did I say BTs?

SPEAKER_03 (06:35):
Yeah.
We we had a we had a soup consoup cook off.
Oh yeah, we had a soup.

SPEAKER_00 (06:41):
We had a soup off.
We had a mom off with soups.

SPEAKER_03 (06:44):
Yeah, while watching the Broncos game.
It was pretty epic.

SPEAKER_00 (06:47):
Do we know who won?
Did they read the results as wewon the soups?

SPEAKER_03 (06:50):
Yes, our neighbor won.

SPEAKER_00 (06:51):
Well, of course our neighbor won.
It was all our neighbors thatwere the doing the soups.

SPEAKER_03 (06:55):
The hostess won.

SPEAKER_00 (06:56):
What was the soup that won?

SPEAKER_03 (06:58):
It was uh Zupa Toscano.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (07:00):
What what how did the how did yours do?

SPEAKER_03 (07:02):
It would it did pretty good.
It was a runner-up.

unknown (07:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (07:05):
I know.
It was good though.

SPEAKER_03 (07:06):
It was good.

SPEAKER_00 (07:07):
Do we have any leftovers?

SPEAKER_03 (07:08):
Of course we do.

SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Good job.

unknown (07:10):
Good job, babe.

SPEAKER_03 (07:11):
We I made a chicken pot pie soup, which was the
bomb.

SPEAKER_00 (07:14):
Creamy chicken pot pie.

SPEAKER_03 (07:15):
Creamy chicken pot pie.

SPEAKER_00 (07:16):
Okay, can we read this now?

SPEAKER_03 (07:17):
Yes, we can do this.

SPEAKER_00 (07:18):
Amazing.
Okay.
So moving out in Scientology.
Okay, so this is gonna give alittle bit of backstory too,
though.

SPEAKER_03 (07:23):
Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_00 (07:24):
So you're gonna do most of the reading.
I do have my reading glasses on,but let's not uh push me too
much.

SPEAKER_03 (07:30):
So Claire's Escape, my escape.
On January 24th, 2005, I escapedfrom Scientology.
Upon departing, I reach out toKirsten to Kirsten.
This is Kirsten Catano.
Yes.
Who's now Kirsten, what, 6.0 or7.0?

SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
No, no.
Her she works at OSA and she'sthe one who deals with people
that have escaped or are tryingto escape.
Yep.
And then if they have escaped,she's basically the person that
at the Office of Special Affairsand Scientology that monitors
that those said people like us.

SPEAKER_03 (08:00):
So she's responsible for getting private
investigators to track them downif they go astray, and or also
putting them into positionswhere they're closely monitored,
like getting them a job in aScientology company, all those
things to very closely monitorand keep control of um anyone to

(08:20):
prevent them from speaking out.
That's her role.

SPEAKER_00 (08:22):
Yes.
Right?
So you were emailing with her.

SPEAKER_03 (08:25):
Yeah.
And so, and for to set thebackdrop.
So January 24th is the day thatI escaped.
And um, and I knew when Iescaped that Mark was about to
be declared a suppressiveperson.
And so I essentially, that waskind of part of my logic was
well, I should get to you beforeyou're declared.

(08:46):
I mean, it doesn't make muchsense in retrospect, but I was
like, well, if he's notdeclared, then I'm justified in
going to reunite with myhusband, right?
It doesn't make sense.
But either way, uh, that was mymindset at the time,
embarrassingly enough.
Um, so when I I made it to you,and then uh, you know, I still

(09:08):
was holding on, holding out hopethat I might that we might be
able to maintain relations withour family.

SPEAKER_00 (09:15):
Because we had not been told that we were declared
suppressives.

SPEAKER_03 (09:18):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (09:19):
And that we had been given an order.
They when you are declared asuppressive person, they send
you a piece of paper that saysyou're it says suppressive
person declare, and then it hasyour name, so you know that
you've been declared asuppressive person.
So we didn't get that, weweren't told that.

SPEAKER_03 (09:35):
And that and that piece of paper also means that
now it would be a you're notallowed to reach out to your
family, or yes, that would be afurther.

SPEAKER_00 (09:44):
They would get in trouble if they reached out to
us.

SPEAKER_03 (09:47):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (09:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (09:49):
So so I reached out to Kirsten uh a few days after
arriving and reuniting with youin Kansas City.
Yes.
And I said, hey, we're here.
What do we do?
Like, what's our next steps?
We'd prefer to stay in contactwith our family.
I mean, duh, right?

SPEAKER_00 (10:07):
Sure.

SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
If we can.
If we can.

SPEAKER_00 (10:10):
It's a very, very slim chance that they will allow
that.

SPEAKER_03 (10:12):
We're always a negative Nancy.

SPEAKER_00 (10:13):
And also, I wasn't corresponding with any of these
people that I just ignored theircalls, their emails.
I think I might even haveblocked them.
But Claire, because she wasplaying nice, she was conversing
back and forth with email to awhole bunch of different people.

SPEAKER_03 (10:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (10:29):
Okay, can I put do the next slide?

SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
Um, so hold on.
Greg Wilhair.
So, yeah, so I emailed KirstenCatano and Greg Wilhair, who was
second in command to DavidMiscavige.
He was his right-hand man at thetime.
He is the one that responded tomy email to Kirsten Catano.
Greg Wilhair responds to let meknow that we need to route out

(10:52):
to avoid being declared.
This is key.
So here's the email.
Okay.
So hold on.
Um, uh, to be fair, my email iscompletely cringy on the
language.
Um, and so therefore, Clara hasvery kindly provided a glossary
of terms.

SPEAKER_00 (11:11):
Um we're gonna be here forever if the emails have
glossaries, babe.

SPEAKER_03 (11:15):
Yeah, I know.
So I said, dear Kirsten, this isClaire.
I love how I didn't even includemy last name.

SPEAKER_00 (11:24):
Like she was she knows which Claire it is.
Out of all the Claire's thatblew that that month.

SPEAKER_03 (11:29):
There were many Claire.

SPEAKER_00 (11:30):
There wasn't a lot of Claire's.

SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
In fact, there might not have been any Claire.
Um, okay, hold on.
I have to, this is too small forme.
Um I wanted to get in calm withyou.

SPEAKER_00 (11:42):
Uh that means in communication.

SPEAKER_03 (11:44):
Yeah, and find out what Mark and I need to do to
get going on handling ourcurrent situation.
When I saw GW, Greg Wilhair, inVegas, i.e., when he intercepted
me in the bus station, yeah, hetold me I would be declared if I
got on the bus.
News flash, I got on the bus.

(12:04):
Anyway, whatever.
All the rest I'm not even gonnaread through.
Greg Wilhair responds and says,Dear Claire, it's on hold.
And mind you, this is February1st, 2005.
Okay.
You want you want, yeah, whichis key to understanding.

SPEAKER_00 (12:22):
It's on hold.
Listen and remember, this is inFebruary, February 1st, it says
2005.
It's on hold.
Meanwhile, no, no, no, just keepreading because it's a good
payoff when we get it.
And it only will that it's onlygonna happen at the end.

SPEAKER_03 (12:37):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (12:38):
So keep going.

SPEAKER_03 (12:39):
You want to route out that that is how you avoid
it.
Est Greg W.

SPEAKER_00 (12:46):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (12:47):
Okay.
All right.
Disconnection.
Claire also reaches out to herloved ones.
Being declared an SP,suppressive person, means that
loved ones who are still inScientology have to disconnect,
cease all communications, attachour emails between Claire and
her mom Jen.
And there's a picture of me atour on our wedding day with my
mother, Jen Wit, aka MargaretMary, Geraldine O.

(13:11):
Sullivan, Ni Wit.
Hi, Claire, got it, thank you.
And this is my last message.
Love you also very much.
Kirsty, who's my half-sister,Kirsten, Kirsty called for
advice because she received youremail.
Of course, she has beeninstructed that she cannot

(13:33):
communicate with you.
Okay, remember, just forcontext, Scientology says there
is no such thing asdisconnection.
What does this tell you?

SPEAKER_00 (13:42):
And also, people make their own decision.
They don't they're not told todisconnect or not to disconnect.

SPEAKER_03 (13:47):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (13:47):
This clearly goes against that.
And it says, Your sister, yourhalf-sister got an email from
you and she knows she can't talkto you.

SPEAKER_03 (13:55):
Of course, she has been instructed that she cannot
communicate with you.
Hugh, my stepfather, said Ishould let Chantal, Chantal
Mooney from um the pack base inLos Angeles, who at the time was
an executive there in theCommodore's Messenger org, also

(14:16):
born into Scientology.
So, Chantal, if you ever want toget up, please do.
Um, Chantal.
So Hugh said I should letChantal know, which I did.

SPEAKER_00 (14:28):
Hugh is your stepdad, by the way.

SPEAKER_03 (14:29):
Hugh is my stepdad.
I said that.

SPEAKER_00 (14:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (14:31):
I Hugh said I should let Chantal know, which I did.
And Kirsty, my sister, will needto forward your message to
Chantal without reading it.
Yeah, that's Chantal'sinstructions.

SPEAKER_01 (14:44):
That's sending it to the church employee instead of
her reading it and responding.
It has to go to the church.

SPEAKER_03 (14:50):
Right.
And to be clear, I never saidanything bad.
Kirsten had left me, um, hadsent me a message saying she
needed advice about something.
It was like about her boyfriendor something mundane.
And I was trying to be there formy sister.
It just happened to be badtiming since I was escaping from
a life of imprisonment after 30years, right at the same time.

(15:13):
So bad timing.
I got a message also from umMark's dad.
Thanks.
Love you again, Jen, my mymother.

SPEAKER_05 (15:23):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (15:26):
And then this is the last email I ever received from
her, which was January 31st,2005.
She says, Love you too, darling.
And I know I said the lastmessage was the last, but I want
to make sure you understand itwill be known that you are with
your Bernie.
That's we just blocked blockedit out just for whatever.

(15:47):
Because of your email address,because my my email was linked
to his domain address at thetime.
Didn't think to spell it out.
I figured you would have thoughtof that.
Uh no, mom, I've been in prisonin the C organization for 15
years.
I don't know anything about theexternal operations they run on
people.

(16:08):
Clearly, she does.

SPEAKER_00 (16:09):
Was your email Claire at Bernster.net?
My dad's name was Bernie, and hehad his own domain that was
burnster.net.

SPEAKER_03 (16:17):
So she said, didn't think to spell it out.

SPEAKER_00 (16:19):
Well, because he could just set up a free email.

SPEAKER_03 (16:21):
Right, right.
I figured you would have thoughtof that, but perhaps not.
So just making sure.
She's she's literally paranoid.
I mean, you can read that.

SPEAKER_00 (16:30):
Like we were trying to hide and we we outed
ourselves.
They knew where we were.
It was it was there was no,there was no, and we also, to be
fair, at this point, becausethey hadn't come after to come
back, come out to get me, andnow that you were there and they
hadn't come to get you, we werelike, We're in the clear.
They ain't coming out here totry and get us.

SPEAKER_03 (16:48):
So, and this is exactly actually exactly one
week after I'd escaped.

SPEAKER_05 (16:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (16:53):
Because I escaped January 24th, Monday, January
24th, and this is Monday,January 31st.

SPEAKER_05 (16:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (17:00):
Um, also, Kirsty, my half-sister, did not understand.
After she had forwarded themessage, I told her she needed
to delete it and not read it.
She protested and said it washer message, and couldn't she
keep it until you had handledthings?
This just makes me really sad.

SPEAKER_00 (17:17):
Yeah.
How old was she with this time?
She was probably like 17 or 18at this point.

SPEAKER_03 (17:23):
So I was 30, so she was, yeah, she was about to turn
20.
She was in college.
And and I had anyway.

SPEAKER_00 (17:32):
Okay, keep going.
It's a bummer.

SPEAKER_03 (17:34):
She didn't understand.
But definitely best.
No communication with her,honey.
You know that.
She knows you love her, you knowshe loves you.
You know what you have to do.
Love you lots again.

SPEAKER_00 (17:50):
Okay.
Shitty.
They don't do disconnection,though.
According to them, they don't dodisconnection.

SPEAKER_03 (17:59):
This is it just my blood perfectly.

SPEAKER_00 (18:01):
Okay, I'm gonna read this every time.
I'm gonna read this.

SPEAKER_03 (18:03):
What do the words say to you folks?

SPEAKER_00 (18:05):
Moving.
In April.
Okay, yeah.
So now we've been gone sinceJanuary.
Since I was gone on the 4th.

SPEAKER_03 (18:14):
And I escaped on January 24th.
So I mine was 20 days after you.

SPEAKER_00 (18:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (18:20):
And so realize that we left with absolutely nothing.
Yeah, we love you.

SPEAKER_00 (18:25):
This is it.
No, no, necessary trouble.
These emails are insane.
We love you so much, but we arenever gonna talk to you again.

SPEAKER_03 (18:33):
Love you, mama.

SPEAKER_00 (18:34):
Love you, lots of love.
Love you again was the firstone, and then love you lots, I
think was the second one.
Let's go look at that.
Let's go look at all the love.

SPEAKER_05 (18:43):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (18:43):
Love you again, Jen, and then love you lots again.
Love you too again.
Mama.
And she says mama.

SPEAKER_03 (18:50):
I know, which she never being, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (18:53):
These emails are being crafted by OSA, OSA, the
Office of Special Affairs,Scientology, Dirty Tricks
Department, the ones whoperpetrated the largest
infiltration in the UnitedStates government in its
history.
And they are trying to uh mmanufacture these emails so that
they'll make us want to comeback and route out.
Now, the significance of routingout is that when you go back,

(19:16):
when they do get you back,because now they're like, you're
done, we're out, but you have toroute out properly.
You have to do a routing formthat takes you to all these
people.

SPEAKER_03 (19:24):
AKA, sign all of our documents, sign all our NDA,
sign all our agreements.

SPEAKER_00 (19:29):
We're gonna give you $500 to get interrogated.
Yeah, no, but also we're gonnabasically make the contracts
legal now because we're gonnaexchange cash for these.
And then that that way in courtor anything help comes up later,
you have no say-so.
But the other thing they'regonna do is when you go back,
they're gonna get you to dointerrogations and they're gonna

(19:51):
make you confess things.
And then if you do say somethingin the future, then they'll use
the things that you confessedthat you're confessing so that
you can get out and not be undertheir thumb anymore.
They're gonna use those thingsto blacklist you, or or even if
they don't find anything,they're just gonna make
something up that is alongsomething that they basically

(20:12):
they're gonna embellishsomething that was nothing to
try to make it into something tothen blacklist you if you do
speak out against Scientology.
And and also, for the record,neither one of us had said
anything to anybody.
No, we were just trying to liveour lives and do our thing.
We weren't coming after them.

SPEAKER_03 (20:29):
You did you even had the opportunity to file a police
report with Riverside CountySheriff?
Because I was you didn't knowstupido.
No, no, no, hold on.
But also you knew that I wasstill there.

SPEAKER_00 (20:41):
That's true.
I couldn't do that because thenthat would burn me trying to get
you out.

SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
Because you knew that that would then put me on
even deeper lockdown than Ialready was.
So I just that's part that'spart of it.

SPEAKER_00 (20:51):
Okay, so now you guys are caught up, and now so
through all of February andMarch, we're like, hey, you have
our stuff, our clothes and ourpersonal photos worth the
belongings, our wedding video,our all of our clothing, they
had my motorcycle.

SPEAKER_03 (21:10):
We're gonna have to do that.

SPEAKER_00 (21:11):
They're gonna find out, they're gonna find out what
we have here.
Okay, so they had all ourpersonal belongings, and we're
like, we want our stuff.
Now, as a backstory to this,when Ron Miscavige Jr.
Yeah, Ronnie, Ronnie MiscavigeJr.
and Biddy, Biddy escaped wellbefore Ron Miscavige Sr.

(21:33):
escaped.
Yeah, many years before that.

SPEAKER_03 (21:36):
I think it was 2001 or 2002.
They didn't actually escape.
They just locked themselves intheir bedroom and said, We're
out of here.
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (21:44):
Let us go.
But they didn't, but they didend up leaving.
They did.
They basically said, We're notstaying here.
You can't control us, and if youdo anything to us, bad things
are gonna happen.
So they let them go.
If you know you can leave, youcan leave.
But if you don't know you canleave, you think they're holding
you there and they can't youcan't get out.

SPEAKER_03 (22:03):
And I I just have to say that a a significant part of
their leverage in that momentwas their last name, both being
Miscavige.
Like you and I could have triedthat and it wouldn't have
worked.

SPEAKER_00 (22:14):
That's true.
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (22:16):
I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Okay.
So, regardless, when they left,they said, Hey, you need to send
us all our stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (22:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (22:22):
Now, they had a whole bunch of stuff as well in
their little one-bedroomapartment or wherever they
lived.

SPEAKER_04 (22:28):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (22:29):
And when they got their stuff, there were a ton of
things missing.

SPEAKER_03 (22:34):
Including a gold coin collection.

SPEAKER_00 (22:36):
Including a gold coin collection.
Now, what had happened was whenthey moved, they just emptied
their rooms into a shippingcontainer and they put it back
behind these apartment buildingsin Hemet.

SPEAKER_04 (22:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (22:47):
And some kids, some meddling kids, had broken the
shipping container lock and gonein it and basically basically
pilfered the container before itgot sent to Ronnie and Biddy.
And so it just happened that thethese meddling kids found a gold
coin collection.
And I think they ended up havingto give Ronnie and Biddy a whole

(23:11):
bunch of money basically toreplace the things that were
lost.
And it was a huge flap.

SPEAKER_03 (23:17):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (23:17):
Okay, so this has happened years prior.

SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
Okay, so now is flap even a real word, by the way?
Yes, it is.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (23:23):
Okay, moving in April 2005.
So now this keeps going on, andthey keep saying they're packing
our stuff.
So in February, we're like, hey,we need our stuff.
They're like, yeah, it's beingpacked up.
Yeah.
You can come get it.

SPEAKER_03 (23:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (23:34):
And I said, okay, good.
Well, I'll just drive there.
They're like, no, no, you can'tdrive.

SPEAKER_03 (23:38):
Oh, and and even initially, I said, Hey, I'll
just come to where we lived andI will pack up our stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (23:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (23:46):
Because of course, I'm like, I know where we lived.
Like, you can just keep peopleaway.
Like, I'm not like a leper.
Uh, you know, either way, weoffered stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (23:55):
We offered to drive a moving truck.
We just go to Riverside, rent aU-Haul, which I had just done a
few months earlier.
Um, rent a U-Haul and just gothere and pick up our stuff.
And they said, No way, youcannot come to the property, you
cannot go to your house, you arenot allowed to come here.
That's that's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_05 (24:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (24:16):
But then we said, okay, so what do you want to do?
They said, you rent a truck inRiverside.
No, no, no, we'll rent a truckin Riverside.

SPEAKER_03 (24:23):
They went in LA.
We rented it in LA.
Oh, really?
And they went and picked it upfrom LA because they didn't want
it to have any association evenwith Riverside County.

SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
Anyway, so they we rented a rental truck for them.
We rented it, they picked it upand then filled it up.

SPEAKER_04 (24:40):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (24:41):
But so we kept saying, okay, when do you want
us to rent this?
I said, we'll let you know we'repacking up your stuff.
Okay, February goes by, Marchgoes by.
Also, in the middle of this, nowthis is crazy stuff, and it just
has it does tie in.
It's weird.
Greg Wilhair just also happenedto be the person that was in
charge of the girl Tom Cruisegirlfriend project.

SPEAKER_04 (25:03):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (25:03):
And he was the one who picked Nazian uh Bonattien
Bonatti to be Tom Crow's TomCruise's girlfriend, and he was
the one trying to workshop andmake the magic happen with Tom
and Nas.
Yep.
And that failed miserably.
And basically, David Miscavigedidn't like Nas, and they filed

(25:25):
her teeth down.
And there's a whole Vanity Fairarticle about all this.

SPEAKER_03 (25:28):
Yeah, so go back for a second because the email from
Greg Wilhair, um this one, whichwas February 1st.
February 1st.
Yes.
And so I answered that.
Yeah.
I answered that email, which Idon't have a copy of my answer,
but whatever.
And I said, okay, um, we'llthink about um coming back to do

(25:50):
your steps embarrassingly.

SPEAKER_00 (25:52):
I know Mark was Claire was like, they said we
can come back.
I'm like, are you kidding me?
I ain't ever going back to thatplace in a million years.

SPEAKER_03 (26:00):
I would have there's pretty much nothing I wouldn't
have done in that moment to tryto maintain connection with my
family.
I love my family.
I still do hate videos,whatever, all of it, I love my
family.
And so I was really desperate totry and figure out a way to
maintain connection with them.

(26:21):
But to Mark's point, February1st was that email from Greg
Wilhair.
I responded to that, and it wascrickets.
Yeah, we heard he got busted andwas put on heavy manual labor.

SPEAKER_00 (26:33):
And we know this, we know this from people that were
there when all this werehappening.
They were like, oh, Greg Wilhairwas digging ditches over at the
birthing buildings, and he neversaw the light of day until the
Katie Holmes thing started goinggood, and then they let him come
back up to the living.

SPEAKER_04 (26:49):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (26:50):
Okay, so we moved, we're in Kansas City, we were
finally able to begin theprocess of retrieving our
belongings from Scientology andbringing them back to Kansas
City.
Okay, now in addition to allthat stuff we had, we still had
a dog there as well.
We had a Dalmatian, his name wasJupiter, and he was living in
our backyard.
And I found out from um L.

(27:10):
Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, whowas still there, that she was
sneaking down there and tryingto feed him whenever she could,
but they wouldn't let her godown to feed him.
If she went down for anothersomething for somebody else who
lived in RTC where we lived,then she would get him some food
and she would feed him.
But otherwise, they weren'tfeeding him and they weren't
keep keeping track of him.

(27:31):
He was just locked up in thebehind the house.
Yeah.
And so Rowanne was the one whowas feeding him as much as she
could for that three-monthperiod.
Okay, and that's Jupiter thereuh with the red uh collar on
there.
That's uh that's uh our dog,Jupiter Scientology put Jupiter
in lockup after Claire's escape.
We escaped back to Jupiter.

(27:51):
Jupiter was dirty.
Yeah, Jupiter was a suppressivedog.

SPEAKER_03 (27:55):
Yeah, he was.

SPEAKER_00 (27:56):
You say that would be crazy, but that's Scientology
and it is a real thing.
Dogs can be SPs.
Okay, so we get a truck and werent it.
So now they finally say, You cancome.
Yeah, you we've got your stuff.
And now from February 1st allthe way to this date in April,

(28:17):
they were packing up our stuff.

SPEAKER_02 (28:19):
That's right.

SPEAKER_00 (28:20):
And we had one room.
It was like the craziest thingin the world.
There's a closet, there's someknickknacks, and there's the
bathroom, and then whatever wehad shoved into cabinets and
whatever, just all of the thingswe had accumulated in our entire
lives were in that one room.

SPEAKER_04 (28:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (28:35):
Okay.
And then there was in Claire hada motorcycle that she used to
drive around the property in forher post for her job, and that
was still there as well.
Was it not Yamaha TWTW200?

SPEAKER_03 (28:46):
TW, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:47):
What year was that, by the way?
That one was um it's a latemodel, it was a good bike.

SPEAKER_03 (28:52):
It was like 1998.

SPEAKER_00 (28:53):
Yes, like a 98.
It was nice colors, too.
Nice colors too.

SPEAKER_03 (28:56):
It's blue and white, right?

SPEAKER_00 (28:57):
I like that one.

SPEAKER_03 (28:58):
Yeah, it was a good one.

SPEAKER_00 (28:59):
Okay.
So now I rent the truck, they gopick it up.
I don't remember LA.
Oh no, I went, I met them at theriverside.

SPEAKER_03 (29:07):
Just to set the context, like um we had just
gotten out.
We had absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_05 (29:15):
That's true.

SPEAKER_03 (29:16):
We had jobs, but we were barely like we had we were
just getting back on our feet.

SPEAKER_00 (29:22):
That's right.
So that's true.
That's a good point to mention.
We we we live with my dad forjust a few weeks, and then we
got a two-bedroom apartment.

SPEAKER_03 (29:31):
Only because he co-signed because we had no
credit.

SPEAKER_00 (29:34):
But also the the wife that he was with at the
time, just a couple sandwichesshort of a picnic, this one.
So um, we and there and theywould get into it.
They would mix it up a lot.
So, even to us, we were in abubble, we knew this may not be
the best relationship.

SPEAKER_03 (29:50):
Not the most helpful.

SPEAKER_00 (29:51):
So when we got an apartment, we got a two bedroom
apartment so that he could havea room there if he needed a as a
crash pad or somewhere to get asafe haven.

SPEAKER_03 (30:00):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
From his wife was very physical with him, and he
wasn't a big guy.

SPEAKER_03 (30:04):
No.
And um that was only fair sincethe only way we got the
apartment was because heco-signed on the apartment.

SPEAKER_00 (30:10):
Trying to throw him a bunk.
Okay.
So we only had the barenecessities.
I think we went to, I want tosay it was like Salvation Army
or Goodwill or something likethat.
We got some furniture.

SPEAKER_04 (30:23):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (30:23):
And I think we might have gotten some stuff off
Craigslist at the time orwhatever.
We we scrounged together a bedand not not a there was not
Craigslist at the time.

SPEAKER_03 (30:33):
We would just go in the newspaper and on the Oh like
the classified.
Yeah, the classifieds exactly.
We got a couch on theclassified.

SPEAKER_00 (30:40):
And we would borrow my dad's vehicle to go pick
stuff up.
And we didn't even have avehicle.
We just had an apartment.

SPEAKER_03 (30:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (30:46):
And I was fixing computers from home.
And I was a waitress at a pizzaand you were a waitress just a
couple blocks down the road.

SPEAKER_03 (30:53):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (30:53):
Pizza shop.

SPEAKER_03 (30:54):
Shout out to Patrick's Pizza Shop, Lee
Summit, Missouri.
Okay.
Um, yeah, but and the the reasonI chose that job is because,
first of all, it was way betterthan Arby's.
And second of all, that's true.
I could walk there if I had to,because we did not have a car.

SPEAKER_00 (31:08):
Yeah, and it was literally two blocks away.

SPEAKER_03 (31:10):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (31:10):
Okay.
When we were from my dad'shouse.

SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (31:13):
Okay.
It ended up being the furthestpossible job from the place, the
apartment that we got in thattown.

SPEAKER_02 (31:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (31:20):
But either way, we were good.
It was fine.
Take it, take what you can get.
She's got a job.
I got a job.
I mean, I was basically making$50 an hour.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:30):
I was making really good money on tips.
Yeah.
We were slank.
I still remember the time that Iwent to serve the people pizza
and they paid their bill.
And it was like, you know, maybea$40 bill.

SPEAKER_05 (31:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:43):
And they get gave $100 to pay it.
And I was like, well, here'syour change.
And they're like, um, well,that's your tip.
And I'm like, oh, you sure?
And they're like, well, if youdon't want it, I'll take it
back.
And I'm like, no, no.
Just making sure, just beinghonest.

SPEAKER_00 (31:57):
Like, yeah, it's pretty good on a$40 uh meal tab,
getting a 60 buck tip.

SPEAKER_03 (32:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (32:03):
Anyway, Claire was slaying it.
I was slaying it.
We were sleeping every night.
Yes.
We were watching three or fourNetflix DVDs a night.

SPEAKER_03 (32:11):
We were working out.
We were swimming in the pool.
We were going swimming everynight.

SPEAKER_01 (32:15):
It was like paradise.
This is so horrible, just likethey said it was going to be.

SPEAKER_00 (32:21):
This was paradise.

SPEAKER_03 (32:22):
This was absolute paradise.

SPEAKER_00 (32:24):
We were living it up.
Okay.
But we still wanted our stuffback.
Because all our just all thethings we'd ever had were it in
this place.
Okay.
So they so I rent the truck,they pick it up, they fill the
truck, and then we were going togo on a certain day, and I think
they canceled it.
And it was like, oh no, you gotto come another day.

SPEAKER_03 (32:43):
And I'm like, They weren't done yet.
So we had to delay it by two orthree.

SPEAKER_00 (32:47):
And so I couldn't really book a flight because
other I thought we'd have to payto cancel the flight.
I don't remember why we'd endedup getting a flight.

SPEAKER_03 (32:55):
We didn't have money to book.

SPEAKER_00 (32:56):
But I know, but it what but I don't think flights
were that much.

SPEAKER_03 (32:59):
It didn't matter.

SPEAKER_00 (33:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (33:01):
So I end up we were pinching pennies at that at that
point.

SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
Yeah, I don't maybe in retrospect.

SPEAKER_03 (33:07):
We may not have even researched it.
We just thought, oh, that's whatI'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_00 (33:10):
I'm gonna say we just assumed that it would be
more expensive.
If you ever have the choice totake a Southwest or Jet Blue,
the worst flight in the world,do it and do not get a
Greyhound.
I got a Greyhound bus ticket.
I basically took the route thatClaire took to Kansas City.
I took back the same route.

SPEAKER_03 (33:30):
And throughout that entire journey, Mark regretted
that he made me go on.

SPEAKER_00 (33:36):
Oh my goodness.
I was like, this is a day and ahalf of terror and torture.

SPEAKER_03 (33:42):
And like a really strange cross section of
humanities.

SPEAKER_00 (33:46):
Well, well, yeah, no, I didn't really.
That wasn't, it was just sittingand doing like an hour and then
a stop and then an hour and thena stop and then an hour.
It was just like, we're gonnait's gonna take 70 years to get
to Los Angeles.
Anyway, so they pack up all ourstuff.
I get a truck, they pick it up,they pack everything into this
truck, and then they say, Okay,we've got everything.

(34:09):
We're gonna meet at theriverside um bus station where
you're gonna arrive.

SPEAKER_04 (34:13):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (34:14):
And we're gonna be there waiting in the parking lot
with the truck when you getthere.
And we'll have your dog and yourstuff.

SPEAKER_03 (34:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (34:19):
And I'm like, okay, fine.

SPEAKER_03 (34:21):
Well it really, in in retrospect, uh and it in the
moment, it really felt like alittle bit of a hostage type
situation.

SPEAKER_00 (34:28):
It really was a it was like we were doing a
handoff.

SPEAKER_03 (34:30):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (34:31):
Anyway, and so so fine.
So I'm like, whatever.
And they are making a big dealout of this.
Like, oh, we're gonna have thisperson there and this person.
And I'm just like, I don't givea shit who gives me my stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (34:42):
Like, you guys are you guys are so glad it was you
that not me.

SPEAKER_00 (34:46):
Yeah, I was just like, you guys are lame.
Anyway, okay.
So there's a speed limit.
Okay.
So, okay, good.
So now I gotta go back to this.

SPEAKER_03 (34:54):
Yeah, so so we need to we can go back to Well, no, I
can just go to here.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (34:58):
Okay, so now, excuse me.
I get off the bus, and it'sTerrence Une, who's this uh
security guard.

SPEAKER_03 (35:07):
Yep.
And who's now out of the seaorganization, yeah, who's not
there anymore.
Terence, if you decide to speakup, let us know.

SPEAKER_00 (35:14):
Yeah.
Aloha, Terrence, I'll just saythat.

SPEAKER_03 (35:17):
And Martina, his wife.

SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
Yeah.
Anyway, um, and then MattButler.

SPEAKER_03 (35:24):
Matt Butler, who is was married to Jenny Butler at
the time.

SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
And he's also a security guard, and he's also
one of the people, when youescape, he's one of the guys
that keeps track of the peoplethat are uh re that recovers
them.
He's also one of the chiefpeople who goes and gets people.

SPEAKER_04 (35:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (35:40):
And he's uh he's actually really young kid.

SPEAKER_04 (35:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (35:43):
But he's their go-to henchman to deal with people
who've escaped.

SPEAKER_04 (35:48):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (35:48):
So he's there, and I think it was just those two.
It may have been somebody else,but I'm pretty sure it was just
those two.

SPEAKER_03 (35:53):
I'm sure there were other people in the background.

SPEAKER_00 (35:55):
I'm happy to say it is getting a little foggier.
Some of these things that I justdidn't pay any attention to are
starting to they're losing harddrive space for other better
memories.
So screw you, Matt and Terrence.
Um, not you, Terrence, becauseyou left, but Matt, still screw
you.
Okay.
So then they give me theseenvelopes and they say, we need
you to look through all thesedocuments.
And I'm like, okay, whatever.

(36:17):
Anyway, the first thing in thereis our SP declares.
We were declared the day afterClaire escaped.
That's the dates on this SPdeclares.

SPEAKER_03 (36:28):
And and remember, we talked about Greg Wilhair's
email saying, Oh, it's on hold.
Come to find out, no, it was farfrom on hold.
In fact, my entire family, mystepdad was in Clearwater,
Florida, and he was called inthere and told that I was a
suppressive person the day afterI escaped.
Yes.

(36:49):
My mom, my brother, and my twosisters were all called in to
Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 (36:54):
Before those emails were sent.

SPEAKER_03 (36:56):
Correct.

SPEAKER_00 (36:56):
So this all took place before Greg Wilhair said,
it's on hold.
That three days before we weredeclared suppressives.
Yes.
And he's saying it's on hold.
Her mother is saying we want tomake sure you get things sorted
out, and da-da.
It's that's it's already done.

SPEAKER_04 (37:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (37:13):
All those emails had to be done with OSA in
coordination from the family.

SPEAKER_04 (37:19):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (37:20):
And because we had already been declared
suppressives, they waited andthey tried throughout that
entire time period when we'relike, can we get our stuff?
Can we do this?
Warren McShane, Greg Wilhair,Kirsten, Gerald Duncan, all
these people were emailing us,trying to get us to come in and

(37:41):
route out and do this.
They already declared us the dayafter.

SPEAKER_03 (37:48):
But there's a key piece of this that we have to
talk about.

SPEAKER_00 (37:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (37:52):
So before they agreed to give us our stuff
back, and when we hadn't heardfrom Greg Wilhair for like
weeks, because he was diggingditches, not jumping on emails.
So come to March, and I get aphone call from Warren McShane,
who is uh the legal uh finaglerin RTC.
You know, second or third incommand, who's in in charge of

(38:14):
all legal and everything else.
And he says, Okay, listen, um,yeah, Greg wasn't able to get
back to you because we now knowhe was on the heavy manual labor
circuit.
But we have a plan for you.
All that has to happen is youneed to come back and do the
rehabilitation project for us.

SPEAKER_01 (38:35):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (38:35):
This was like, we're like now two and a two months
into a lease.
We've slept, we're watchingNetflix every night.

SPEAKER_00 (38:43):
It's funny how you're right.
We have a I know, but it's funnythat we've always been like, we
can't leave, we have a lease.
Like, we can't break a lease.
Forget the part where we don'tcome back and do your prison
camp.

SPEAKER_05 (38:56):
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (38:57):
We have a lease.
I love how that's the excuse.
Anyway, but that is what I toldClaire.
I said, tell him we have alease.
Okay.
Like, what do we uh yeah?
Not only do we not want to dothe prison camp, but we also
don't want to break this leaseon this one year two bedroom of
townhome that we have.

SPEAKER_03 (39:17):
Right.
We don't want to be reprogrammedinto being soulless, mindless
androids.

SPEAKER_01 (39:22):
If we break our lease, this could really screw
up our non-existent credit thatwe have.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (39:29):
Our credit has gone from negative 500 to negative
480.

SPEAKER_00 (39:35):
We don't want to blow the lease.
Anyway, so the first thing I seeis the declares.
And I just go, I laugh.
I'm just like, of course, duh.
And I look at the data, I'mlike, you fuckers.
And then the next one isClaire's declare.
And I look at that and I'm like,whatever.
And the security guards arelike, you have to read it.
I go, I don't have to fuckingread anything.
Screw you.

(39:55):
That's a bunch of bullshit youguys made up, of course.

SPEAKER_01 (39:58):
And they go, Mark, you know you have to read it.
And I'm like, no.

SPEAKER_03 (40:02):
And by the way, this was because they had to send a
report to David Miscavige ofthis meeting providing what was
the reaction, what was thefeedback.
Yes.
And it couldn't be, fuck youguys.
You are you're assholes.
Excuse my language.
It couldn't be that.
No, no.

SPEAKER_00 (40:17):
That's what I said.
Don't worry about your language.
I was basically like, screw you.
You guys made up a bunch ofbullshit.
I know it's not true.
It means nothing to me.
I'm not going to get fired fromfixing computers because you
guys wrote up a bunch ofbonehead bullshit in here.
Anyway, so then they're like,you know you have to read it.
And I go, and I literally said,no, that's the best part.

(40:38):
I don't have to read it.
And so then I'm like, what do Ineed to sign?
Because I knew I had to signsomething.

SPEAKER_04 (40:44):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (40:45):
And they said, you have to sign the inventory.
And I go, the inventory?
And they go, Yeah, you got tosign the inventory.
So I'm like, okay, well, let'sgo look in the truck.
So we open up the back of thetruck and they give me a sheaf
of papers.
I'm going to say it's probably50, 60 pages.

(41:07):
The inventory is 50 or 60 pages,single spaced, long, printout,
letter size, don't worry, we'llget to it.
Papers.
And it is the inventory ofwhat's in the truck.
And I'm like, you guysinventoried every single thing.
And they're like, there's not achapstick bottle in there that's
not on the inventory.

SPEAKER_03 (41:26):
There's not a single nickel or a quarter that's not
in the inventory.

SPEAKER_00 (41:29):
And I'm like, you guys are insane.
Anyway, we go to the back of thetruck, they open up the truck,
and it's bankers' boxes.
So it looks like I'm moving myoffice.
It's bank white bankers' boxes,the ones you buy from Office
Depot or Costco or whatever, andthey're all perfectly brand new
white bankers' boxes, and theyhave little numbers on them.

(41:52):
One, two, three.
And it's just stacks of bankers'boxes and a motorcycle in the
middle of the thing.

SPEAKER_03 (41:58):
Yeah.
So hold on.
Just for giggles, if you've evermoved using bankers' boxes,
prove us wrong and just drop acomment to let us know that, you
know, moving in bankers' boxesis totally normal and something
that everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (42:11):
Oh no, don't worry about that, baby.
You're pre-empting this story.
Okay.
Take it easy there, Red Rider.

SPEAKER_02 (42:17):
Okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (42:18):
So there's a motorcycle, there's bankers'
boxes, and there's a few bins.
There's like a TV and there's afew, like just loose things, but
it's bankers' boxes and amotorcycle.

SPEAKER_03 (42:28):
Or illegal TV that we'd manage to hold on to.

SPEAKER_00 (42:31):
Yeah.
Okay.
And all of the bankers' boxesare numbered.
Okay.
Where's the list?

SPEAKER_03 (42:39):
Um, well, you're the one that uploaded the slides.

SPEAKER_00 (42:41):
I know, but I didn't upload a list.
Oh, is this the list?
Okay.
Here's the inventory.
Okay.
Oh, you're right.
So we'll do this.
We'll do this.
We'll do this.
We'll do this.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (42:51):
Because you have to, you before you talk about the
inventory, you have to talkabout the whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 (42:55):
Yeah, yeah, no.
I get it.
Okay.
So basically what happens is,and Jupiter's there as well.
I will go back a little bit.
Jupiter's in the front seat ofthe truck.

SPEAKER_05 (43:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:04):
Now Jupiter is a white Dalmatian with black
spots.
And when they delivered him tome, he was a very, very dark,
mangy brown.

SPEAKER_03 (43:13):
That's a picture of him.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
No, no, that's not the picture of him.
It's a picture of him, but notat this time.

SPEAKER_03 (43:18):
Of how he looked.

SPEAKER_00 (43:19):
Yeah, that's what he that's what he looked like in
normal circumstances.
He was basically so dark that Ididn't even think that he was
the same dog at first.
He was basically so dirty thathe was almost black.
He was dirty, dirty, dirty brownand kind of gray from dirt.

SPEAKER_04 (43:33):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (43:34):
Okay, which really pissed me off.
And he also smelled, well, heprobably hadn't had a bath in
three months because theywouldn't do that because they're
they're not an animal people.
Let's just say, let's just leaveit at that.
Okay.
So now we'd had the dog yearsbefore when we were in the Sea
Org, because her dog hadpuppies, and then we were able

(43:57):
to get one and we weren'tsupposed to, but my mom gave me
one of my dog's puppiesillegally.
It's okay.
Either way, we had a dog.
Not a lot of people did.
We did.

SPEAKER_03 (44:06):
We broke Mark broke the rules because he was the
rubber.

SPEAKER_00 (44:09):
I'm gonna break the rules and because Claire's in
RTC, we're gonna get away withit.
No, I was in gold when we Iknow, but you were in RTC when
we had that dog when we left.
Okay.
Now I get the dog.
I tell them, screw you guys.
I sign their inventory.
I'm like, whatever.
Give me a copy.
They give me a copy.
I sign their copy.
I look at them, they're the sameamount of pages, whatever.

(44:30):
I don't give a shit.
I've got the stuff.
I can I can't really go throughanything because there's
literally 60 bankers' boxes inthe back of a truck.
So I'm just like, whatever.
I don't even care at this point.

SPEAKER_03 (44:41):
And on top of that, you're in Riverside County,
California, planning to driveback to Kansas City.

SPEAKER_00 (44:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:48):
To Kansas City.
Yeah, I gotta get back.
You don't have a lot of time.

SPEAKER_00 (44:51):
No, I've been on a bus for a day and a half.
I'm done.
I want to go home.

SPEAKER_03 (44:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
Okay.
So I just grab it.
I don't really look through itor anything.
I just grab it, whatever, signtheir thing.
They still ask me, can youplease read the declaration the
documents?
And I said, no.
And they said, well, what do wesay?
I say, say that I said to gofuck yourself and I didn't read
it.
And then they're like, ugh.

(45:16):
Anyway, so then I get in thetruck and I drive off.
I'm like, screw you, we're done.
I don't ever have to see youagain.
I don't have to talk to youagain.
I don't care about your dumbrules.
I'm out of here.
Okay, so I jam to Vegas fromthere.

SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (45:27):
I get a hotel and I tell Claire, you got to get me
like a someplace way, way, wayoff strip that's super, super
cheap, that's not gonna carethat I'm gonna wash a dog in
this room because this dog needsto get washed.

SPEAKER_03 (45:42):
Yeah, like didn't you have to drive with the
windows down?

SPEAKER_01 (45:46):
The whole way I had to drive with the windows down.

SPEAKER_03 (45:47):
Jim was a really good dog.
It makes me really sad.
Yeah, do you feel guilty?

SPEAKER_00 (45:51):
He was very super happy to see me and he just
slept on my with his head on mylap the entire way to Vegas.

SPEAKER_02 (45:56):
Best dog.

SPEAKER_00 (45:57):
Anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (45:59):
So I go to this room, I give Jupiter a bath, I
go to like Walgreens orsomething, and I grab a whole
bunch of dog shampoo.
And I had to wash this dog likefive times.

SPEAKER_00 (46:10):
And finally he was white again and he smelled good
because I did like, you know,pina collotted him up.
Anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (46:19):
He was so happy.

SPEAKER_00 (46:20):
So then the next day, we're gonna go from Vegas
back to Kansas City.
Back to Kansas City, and I'mgonna try to do it in one big
jam.

SPEAKER_03 (46:28):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
Which is a long jam.

SPEAKER_03 (46:30):
It is a long jam.

SPEAKER_00 (46:31):
In a in a big Penske or whatever it was.

SPEAKER_03 (46:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (46:34):
Anyway, so when you're driving, I don't know if
you guys have done this, butwhen you're driving through
states, I'm jamming throughColorado.
Colorado's got like, I want tosay 80 mile-an-hour speed line.

SPEAKER_03 (46:47):
75, but that means 85 in Colorado.
Yeah, ish.
Anyway, like you know, so I jamit.

SPEAKER_00 (46:54):
I'm jamming.

SPEAKER_03 (46:58):
I ain't got 85.

SPEAKER_00 (46:59):
I ain't got a lot of tickets on my record, but I'm
gonna say 90.

SPEAKER_01 (47:04):
But I'm gonna say 90% of them are speeding
tickets.

SPEAKER_03 (47:08):
Anyway, no, folks, that's it.
That's it, that's an episodethat I'll do by myself.

SPEAKER_01 (47:13):
Yeah, the beaches are coming again.
BT's are gonna shut you down.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (47:18):
Anyway, so I'm jamming in Colorado and I'm
going the speed limit.

SPEAKER_03 (47:26):
Going with the flow of traffic.

SPEAKER_00 (47:27):
Going with the flow of traffic.
But when you go into Kansas,these dirty dogs on the co on
the on the southern on thesouthern, is it not southern?
It's the eastern on the westernborder of of Kansas with the
border of Colorado, the speedlimit dropped like at least 10
or 15 miles as soon as you goover, and there's like one sign.

(47:49):
I'm gonna say there was onesign.
I didn't see it.
Maybe there was two, maybe therewas four.
I wasn't even thinking about thesign.
I was just thinking.
We got to get home, and I got mystuff.
I got the dog.
Okay, fine.

SPEAKER_03 (48:04):
And meanwhile, Claire was waiting at home, very
excited to get Mark back fromhis dangerous rendezvous with
the Scientology goons.
More excited to get Jupiter backafter not having seen him for
months.
Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:17):
So basically, I get pulled over for speeding.

unknown (48:22):
Bummer.
Whoop.

SPEAKER_00 (48:23):
I get lit up.
Whoop, whoop, whoop, whoop.
And we pull off into this reststop.
And I'll never forget this reststop because it's sort of the
first rest stop once you getinto Kansas.
And it's really a nice reststop.
There's a park, there's like alittle visitor center with some
bathrooms and stuff.
It's like basically a parkslashrest stop.

SPEAKER_03 (48:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:42):
It's pretty balling for a rest stop.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (48:46):
As far as rest stops go.
And we haven't seen that manyrest stops.
I'm gonna say this is I 70.

SPEAKER_00 (48:51):
I'm off I-70.

SPEAKER_03 (48:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (48:53):
Is there a map up in this?
Nope.

SPEAKER_04 (48:55):
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (48:55):
Anyway, this is the rest stop, actually.
She's uh Clara, Claire, Claire'sthe one who does all this for
us, guys.
I don't know how we would getget through all this.
Um, but um I get pulled over forspeeding, and um the guy says,
Hey, what's the deal?
And I say, Oh, I'm sorry, Ididn't realize the speed limit
dropped on the border.

(49:16):
I was a little bit like, you gotme?
Pretty pretty sure you get lotsof people.
God darn it.
Gosh darn it.
And um he says, Okay, let me seeyour license.
I give him my license, and Istill have my California
license.

SPEAKER_04 (49:30):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (49:31):
Okay, this is key to know.

SPEAKER_03 (49:32):
It is key.

SPEAKER_00 (49:33):
Still have my California license, and I hadn't
gotten a new license inNebraska.

SPEAKER_03 (49:38):
No, in Missouri.

SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
In Missouri, in Lee Summit.

SPEAKER_03 (49:40):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (49:41):
And so um, so yeah, I had a California.

SPEAKER_03 (49:44):
So so again, just for context, January is when we
arrived in Lee Summit, Missouri.
Now this is April.
Yeah, and Mark is driving fromCalifornia back to Missouri.

SPEAKER_00 (49:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
So the comp says, Oh, you livein California?
I go, well, actually, I live inLee Summit, Missouri.

SPEAKER_04 (50:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (50:03):
And he goes, Okay, when did you leave move to Lee
Summit?
I go, I moved there in January.
He goes, Oh, okay.
Hmm, but you still have aCalifornia license.
I go, well, yeah, I don't know.
I didn't know if I was gonnamove back to California or if we
were gonna stay in Lee Summit.
So we're kind of back going backand forth.
And he goes, Okay, fine.
He goes, Um, what's in the back?
And I say, Oh, I'm moving.

(50:26):
It's all my stuff.
And he goes, So you move therein January, but you didn't bring
anything with you.

SPEAKER_04 (50:34):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (50:35):
Yeah, that's right.
And now you're going back fourmonths later and you're getting
your stuff and you're moving itto Lee Summit.
I'm like, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 (50:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (50:43):
And so he goes, Okay, fine.
So he goes, Will you mind if wetake a look?
I'm like, sure, we can take alook.

SPEAKER_03 (50:50):
And um I'm sure, I'm sure the audience knows exactly
where the proxy mic is at.
But this is an and not youraverage scenario, right?

SPEAKER_01 (51:00):
Anyway, so we go, we open up the back of the truck,
and there's 60 bankers' boxeswith a motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 (51:08):
And uh, he goes, You put all your stuff in bankers'
boxes, and I go, Well, no, Ididn't.
Uh my friends did.
And he goes, Your friends?
And I go, Yeah.
My friends packed all this upfor me.

SPEAKER_03 (51:23):
He's like, Wow, so wait a minute, let's back up for
a minute.
So you moved to Lee Summit,Missouri in January, and you
have friends in California thatthree months later packed up all
of your belongings into banker'sboxes for you.

SPEAKER_01 (51:41):
Yeah, and I go, Yeah, that's basically exactly
what happened.
And he goes, Well, how do youknow what's in the bankers'
boxes?
And I go, Oh, I've got aninventory.

SPEAKER_00 (51:52):
And he goes, No way.
And I go, Yeah, there's aninventory in the front seat of
the truck if I can walk upthere.

SPEAKER_03 (51:59):
But hold on, backing up for a second, didn't he go?
So you open up the back, hepulls out, so what's in this
box?
And you're like, No, no.
Well, I don't know.
Yeah, but I have an inventory.
That's right.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:10):
So we go get the inventory.
I s and oh, by the way,Jupiter's just sitting in the
front of the truck, just chillchilling like a villain.

SPEAKER_03 (52:17):
Happy to be back with his people.

SPEAKER_00 (52:19):
Smelling like pina colada, stinking up the whole
truck bed like a pineapplepresent.

SPEAKER_04 (52:26):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (52:27):
Anyway, we go back, and so the guy pulls out a box
and he goes, What's this?
I go, that's box.
I don't know, whatever box hehas.
Let's just say it's 35.
And so then I go to this list.
Now, this is the list.
To avoid accusations of theft,Scientology provides a detailed
inventory of belongings.
Mark shows the inventory to theofficers and tries to explain

(52:49):
the situation.
We've included the fullinventory list.
Okay, so this is box number one.
Now listen.

SPEAKER_03 (52:57):
And by the way, this was boxed up by Chelsea Graves
from RTC.
From RTC, who is the same personthat was doing interrogations on
Tom Cruise's personal staff.

SPEAKER_00 (53:09):
Yes.
So in between um Isabella andConnor interrogations, Isabella
and Connor Cruiseinterrogations, she's the one
inventorying our stuff.
And the and we know from when wewere there, nothing can be left
off the list.

SPEAKER_04 (53:24):
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (53:24):
If they send 10 things, there's 10 things on the
list.
If they send 10,000 things,there's 10,000 things on the
list.

SPEAKER_05 (53:32):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (53:33):
Okay, I'm not going to read every single thing, but
I am going to leave them up longenough.
If you want to freeze it, youcan freeze it and read this.
But we are talking four hairclips.

SPEAKER_03 (53:44):
Um what about this one?
Broken soap soap bowl with twobits of soap.

SPEAKER_00 (53:51):
Cream hand towel.

SPEAKER_03 (53:52):
Spoon.

SPEAKER_00 (53:53):
Air cleaner, herbal shave cream for men.
Witch books.
Does it say witch?
Oh no, witch hazel.
Um L'Oreal Eye Defense Cream.
You gotta be kidding me.
Anyway, Dr.
Schultz, deep tissue oil.
Okay, now look.
Remember, I said there's a- Whatabout this one?

SPEAKER_03 (54:15):
Aveda Promoleant, one inch liquid left in bottle.

SPEAKER_00 (54:21):
Look at this one.
Spoon.
This is spoon.
Spoon.
Corn conair styler dryer.

SPEAKER_03 (54:30):
They they didn't um spell check this thing either.
Which hazer?

SPEAKER_00 (54:34):
Cotton ball dispenser.
Cotton ball dispensers with fullcotton balls.
With one half full cotton balls.
Okay.
This is box one, guys.
Box two?
You can see this, guys.
I'm gonna leave this up so youif you want to freeze it and
read it at a later date.

SPEAKER_03 (54:53):
They were so specific as to include the
amounts of items remaining.
Example, full used next tobottles that had been
inventoried.
Yeah.
So half full, quarter full, onetenth full.

SPEAKER_00 (55:07):
Banana cup.
Banana cup.
Mont Blanc, Claire Hedleyengraved.
I think you got that from DavidMiscavige's present.

SPEAKER_03 (55:17):
I can't even believe they sent that to us.

SPEAKER_00 (55:19):
Yeah, that's from David Miscavige personally.
An RTC engraved Mont Blanc.
Didn't all the RTC reps getthose?

SPEAKER_03 (55:26):
Yeah.
It had our hands.
It was signature engraved in it.

SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
Okay, they auto-penned a pen.
Okay.
White scissors.
Bee cap.
It's a Burtzby's cap.
Not the Burtz Bees thing, justthe cap for the Burtzbees.

SPEAKER_04 (55:48):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (55:49):
They inventoried the cap of a an errant Burtz Bees
chapstick somewhere.
Okay, this is anyway.
This goes on forever.
And the cop is basically readingthis.

SPEAKER_03 (56:03):
And losing his mind.

SPEAKER_00 (56:04):
And he's just like, this is look, look, and it does
get some boxes have bigger stuffin it, so that's less things.
Yeah.
That was the bathroom.
That was like the bathroomdrawers box that they just
dumped.
Yeah.
And she had to go through eachthing and inventory it and put
it in the Yeah, because how manyboxes total was it?

SPEAKER_03 (56:23):
Like 60 to 70.

SPEAKER_00 (56:25):
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
Okay, so some of them are less.
You know, you got some.
I like I do love reading.
Just just to spot check and I'mlike, five pennies.
Tape measure.

SPEAKER_03 (56:36):
Seven tiny screws.

SPEAKER_00 (56:38):
Art chalk.

SPEAKER_03 (56:40):
Three screws, one button.

SPEAKER_00 (56:42):
Ace bandage.

SPEAKER_03 (56:43):
Computer chip component.

SPEAKER_00 (56:45):
One vacuum bag.
I mean.

SPEAKER_03 (56:48):
Black comb.
Not to be confused with thewhite comb.

SPEAKER_01 (56:52):
Some of these things are so amazing.
That's some one lint roller.

SPEAKER_04 (56:59):
One vacuum bag.
God.

SPEAKER_01 (57:02):
Toilet bath mat.
One seven tiny screws.
One screw.
No, two screws, one button.

SPEAKER_03 (57:11):
Okay, if you think we think this is funny, it is
funny.
It's also not funny.
It's really sad.
Anyway.
But the only thing you can do islaugh about it in retrospect.
Seriously.
Anyway, right?

SPEAKER_00 (57:21):
Oh, let me go back.
I went too fast.
Okay, so we did that one.
This is another good one.
Silver frame.

SPEAKER_03 (57:29):
Nothing screams cult like an inventory of this
magnitude.

SPEAKER_00 (57:32):
We still do have these pictures too.
Photo frame, large, two photos,silver with stone stones,
letters, empty, small woodenframe, silver frame with
Jupiter, silver frame withClaire, silver, little green
with Jupiter.
Um you know, oh, one photo framehas your sisters in it.
Yep.

(57:53):
Silver frame, sister and boy,gold, three hinged photo.
Baby Dalmatian.
Um anyway, you guys, you guysget the idea.

SPEAKER_04 (58:06):
You get the idea.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
Okay, then and then it just goes just on and on,
just forever and ever.

SPEAKER_03 (58:15):
One dime, two nickels, twenty-four pennies,
three screws, two lifesavers.

SPEAKER_01 (58:21):
Two two life where which one is that on?

SPEAKER_03 (58:24):
It's in the middle of the top life.

SPEAKER_01 (58:26):
Lifesavers.
Full Coke can.
Two lifesavers.

SPEAKER_00 (58:36):
Holy molys.

SPEAKER_02 (58:38):
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 (58:40):
Anyway.
You literally cannot make thisup.
I don't think the dog was on theinventory.
Alex says that the dog was onthe inventory.

SPEAKER_03 (58:46):
Yeah, I don't think he was.
Um but we're coming to someimportant things that were on
the inventory.

SPEAKER_00 (58:51):
Oh, we are?
Okay, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_03 (58:53):
So it's just so again, you can read through this
in all its glorious detail ifyou choose to.
That's why we decided to put allthis up here.
Two small bottles, four blackpens, two metal clips, uh beige
vest beige vest.
Two pictures of CH and MHframed.

(59:14):
Okay.
Timberland sweater.

SPEAKER_00 (59:17):
It just goes.

SPEAKER_03 (59:18):
It literally goes.
It's I mean I was mortified whenI saw this document the first
time.
Like at the invasion of privacy,like they didn't just box up our
stuff, they literally inventevery single thing.
Item, just every little thing.
Letter without envelope to Mark.

(59:38):
Did you see that?

SPEAKER_00 (59:39):
Letter without envelope to Mark.
That's probably the one whereyou sent me my rings back.

SPEAKER_03 (59:44):
Okay.
You had to go on about that.
I know.
I gringe about that every time Isee it.
I would I I've stopped myselffrom shredding that about ten
minutes.

SPEAKER_00 (59:51):
I don't know if I'm gonna miss the thing.

SPEAKER_03 (59:53):
If I go, I don't wanna No, no, you won't, because
Clara highlighted it.

SPEAKER_00 (59:57):
Okay.
So here we go.

SPEAKER_03 (59:59):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:00):
CDs empty cases.
Now at the time I would take theCDs out of the cases and put
them into basically a giantbinder of CDs so that if
anything happened to the cases,I wouldn't lose the CDs.

SPEAKER_04 (01:00:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:18):
Just my weird thing.
Okay, but now these it says DM,singles box one through four.
DM, singles box one throughtwelve.
Z DM or whatever it is, fivethrough twelve.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:31):
Oh, look at that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:32):
These are all depech mode.
These are all depeche mode.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:35):
What about this section?
When it gets to my section, sowe we had a CD player that the
only way we were even able toafford that is because one year
I got a bonus from ReligiousTechnology Center for a thousand
dollars.
So we got this CD player thatwould hold like 200 CDs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:54):
I think it was a 300, maybe 200.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:56):
But look at this.
Look at the description.
Round C D thing with CDs.

SPEAKER_05 (01:01:02):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:03):
Bare naked ladies, parallel Jones.
I don't even know what that is.
I think it's Jones.
Savage Garden is how I know thatwas my section of CDs.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:11):
Yeah, I think it's either Jesus Jones or Howard
Jones.
I've never heard of a parallelJones.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:15):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:16):
Um anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:17):
Chelsea might have been doing this on no sleep, to
be fair.
There's a significant number oftypos.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:23):
Anyway, they put in, they spelled somebody says they
spelt Natalie and Brugleyincorrectly.
Yeah, they spelled a lot ofthings.
Including parallels with CDs.
I don't even think that is athing.
I'm pretty sure it's eitherHoward Jones or Jesus Jones, but
there's none of those.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:40):
It could have been something else altogether.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:43):
Oh my goodness.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:45):
But the best thing is like, look at this story of
Depeche Mode.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:49):
It is a very impressive collection that I had
amassed while in the Sea Org.
There was actually, I said thislast week, or I said it
somewhere.
There used to be a record storein Hemet on Florida Avenue, and
it was called Hungry Heart.
And they used to get in somereally good Depeche Mode imports
and collector item things.
And if I had a penny left savedup, I would go in there and I'd

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snatch it up as soon as they hadit.

SPEAKER_05 (01:02:12):
Nice.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:13):
Anyway, so this is all just depeche mode CDs.
And then you can see we gotClaire's section, and there's a
whole bunch of, you know, likeanything not depeche mode is
whole Paul Simon Madonna.
Goo goo dolls, Wilson.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:28):
No doubt, Shania Twain.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:31):
Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:32):
Yeah.
There you go.
Alanis Morissette.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:34):
KLF.
Chick Korea.
Heart.
KLF.
Wild Colonials.
That was the one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:40):
Chick Korea was not me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:41):
I know, but Wild Colonials was Chick Korea's son,
Thad Korea, was in a band.
It was called Wild Colonials.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:47):
Well, so so I correct myself because I didn't
have it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:49):
Uh yellow.
Okay, good.
Lots of goodies.
Okay, and then we go into moreboxes.
And then back to, you know, justinsanity again.
Body scroll.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:01):
They're inventorying my underwear.
It's fucking disgusting.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:04):
Anyway, bag of cane sugar.
Bag of white sugar.
What's white?
Oh, okay.
Bag of flour.
We did have some we did havesome some cooking stuff.
Okay, now this is also verycrazy because we had just had
the beer and cheese party or thenew year's party or something
like that.
In um for like for New Year's,just to bring in the New Year's.

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And for some reason, I don'tthink I went down to the event
because all this crazy systemstuff was happening.
So I think I stayed at theproperty.
Um or did it no, because we sawyour parents in LA.
Right before that, we saw yourparents in LA.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03:42):
We did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:42):
So maybe we did go to LA.
And then maybe we just had somedumb party at the base for some
reason.
I don't remember if it wasChristmas or it was New Year's,
but we had some stupid party atthe base, and the only thing
that they put out was sun kissedorange sodas and Ritz crackers
for the whole party.
That's all there was, justcases.
And so I just took like twocases of soda, put it on the
back of my motorcycle, and wenthome.

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So I still had those becausethere's 22 sun kissed.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:06):
Yeah, and can you tell by now that Chelsea is
getting tired?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:09):
Oh, yeah.
So now this is.
If you don't have our stuff,we're going to the house and

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we're getting our stuff.

SPEAKER_05 (01:04:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:30):
So now Chelsea can just say random clothes,
miscellaneous books.
Now they're just dumping boxesfull.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:37):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:38):
This is probably like an hour before I'm coming
to get the truck.

SPEAKER_04 (01:04:41):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:42):
And they're just jamming it in there.
And then items not labeled,bike.
I wanted to see if the dog wasstill on here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:50):
Yeah, I was looking for him.
I don't see him on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:53):
They just got the bike and then various videos,
letters, containers, pictures.
Like literally, now she'sphoning it in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:01):
Yeah.
Mind you, there are significantitems that they never get.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:06):
In box number that's true.
There were a bunch of thingsmissing, but also we were just
like, whatever.
But this box 65 is the boxthat's kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:14):
Yep.
Claire Hetley's passport.
So we've told you before thatthey hold passports.
Well, here from their very owndocument is proof of this,
which, yes, we have given to lawenforcement, and they are aware
of this.
But yes, they held my passportfrom years before I left, and I
did not get that back untilApril 2005 after escaping.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:39):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:39):
Copy of my birth certificate, original copy of
our marriage certificate, andthen various family letters,
postcards, photos.

SPEAKER_05 (01:05:48):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:48):
In their writing, in their words, they hold
passports, as we have said manytimes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:54):
Oh, yeah.
I so that I didn't say whathappened.
Okay.
So we go through this list.
So we're literally the officerand I, he's already called for
backup.

unknown (01:06:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:04):
Because he's like for a canine.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:06):
Yeah, he's basically they called for his supervisor.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:09):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:09):
And then they called for canine.
Because they're like, there's noway.
Obviously, this guy's a drugdealer or drug runner or there's
narcotics.
This narcotics, there's got tobe narcotics in this guy's
truck.
Right.
This is the craziest story ever.
Right.
And so then the sergeant comesand I'm like, well, can I at
least walk my dog and he can goto the bathroom or something?

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He's like, oh yeah, sure.
Just kind of stay over here.
And I was like, okay, fine.
So I get Jupiter.
We're kind of walking around.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:36):
And meanwhile, also I should say, you're in a you're
in the middle of nowhere'sville.
So you have no cell reception.
Yeah, no cell search.
I'm at home.
I'm at our apartment in LeeSummit, Missouri, expecting you
to be home.
And I haven't heard from you inhours.
So I'm starting to freak out alittle bit because I was already
on edge given that you wererendezvousing with gold security

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guards.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:58):
Anyway, so then the guy's kind of like, I gotta call
my sergeant on this one.
This is way too sketchy.
I gotta call my sergeant.
So we go, I take Jupiter for awalk, he does his business, I
put him back in the truck, andthen the sergeant shows up, or
the boss, I don't know, thelingo, whatever.
This is how I remember it.
Anyway, the sergeant comes, andthen the sergeant says, Okay, I

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know you've already told himyour story, but I want you to
tell me my tell me the story.
Yep.
And the cop I've already toldthe story to is standing right
there.
And so then I go back throughthe whole thing.
I go, I moved to Kansas City inJanuary, and now my friends
packed up all my stuff, and so Imet them at the riverside bus
chasing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:41):
Because we're still in the cause problems.
We're just trying to walk awayand get on with the city.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:49):
In retrospect, I probably should have just said
these Scientology people keptall my shit and they wouldn't
give it back to me.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:55):
And then when they gave it back to me, they gave it
to me like this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:57):
I know, but it does speak to the level of
brainwashing that even in thesecrazy moments, like when I'm in
the bus station, when you'regetting pulled over by the cops,
we're still covering for them inthat moment.
Like just not trying to causeany trouble for them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:10):
Anyway, so I tell the sergeant the whole entire
thing all over again.
He goes through the list withme.
I grab, he's like, oh, let's go.
Uh box 27.
I go, okay.
I got I'm in the truck, I pullup box 27, and I'm like opening
up and I'm like, oh, I didn't, Itotally forgot I had this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:28):
Or, you know, like whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:29):
I'm like rediscovering my own property.
And um, and the cop's like, uh,he's like, we're playing like a
little uh, you know, we'replaying like it's like a game
show.
Like he reads out shit, and Ijust go, yeah, got that right
here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:43):
And then uh he's like, okay.
He was testing the and he wasreading the things like half a
bottle of Vita skin cream.
I'm like, yep, got that righthere.
I'm like, eh, it might be itmight be an eighth of a bottle,
but okay, we'll call it half.
Um, and then he and we do thatfor like 10 boxes, and he's
literally just like I canimagine this story ending up in

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like a book.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:08):
No, it's just like wildest police encounters diary
of a highway patrol officer.
Somebody needs to see if we canget the footage from when was
the date?
April-ish Kansas body cams.
Did they have body cams backthen in 2005?
I don't think so.
Anyway, it would have beengreat.
So he basically says, We'regetting canine.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:30):
He's like, he's like, I know you told him, but I
think we're gonna get thecanine.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:35):
It's like this is this is a pretty far their
story.
Like, I get it, you seembelievable, but this is out
there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:40):
Anyway, I really thought I had the sergeant
because we were having a goodtime.
Yeah, like he and I was even,you know, me.
Like, he's like, uh, chap bird'sbees chapstick cap.
I'm like, yep, I got that.
Right here, little yellow guy.
Look at this little bees, birthbees, you know birth bees, got
all that honey in it, it's goodstuff.
Bees wax.
And uh, and he was going, he wasrolling with it.

SPEAKER_05 (01:10:01):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:02):
Anyway, so then we wait like another half hour, and
then the sergeant comes overagain.
He goes, Okay, now hold on.
Just run through me, just run itthrough one more time.
I know you've been through ittwice, just run through it one
more time, and we're gonnadecide which way this is gonna
go.
So I run through the whole thingagain.
He goes, and he basically says,either this is the most insane

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story ever that you've toldexactly the same three times in
a row.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:28):
Yep.
All the way through.
Because we all know, any of ustrue crime junkies know you're
looking for variations in thestory.
Or and a variation in the storytells you red flag alert, yeah,
there's you know, all is notright here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:41):
So he says either it's the most insane story ever
that you told three times in arow, exactly the same, or you're
the best liar in the world.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:49):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:50):
We're gonna let you go.
The can't take like another 45minutes to be here.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:54):
So we're gonna let you go.
Keep keeping it, keep your eyeon the speeds, take it easy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:10:59):
And you're good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:00):
You didn't even get a ticket.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:01):
And you're good.
I got no ticket, nothing.
Anyway, so and but again, Iguarantee you that there's a
bunch of cops that are like, youdude, this dude had 62 bankers'
boxes that his friends packed upfor him.
Friends packed for him.
Inventory.
They inventoried.
He didn't move one thing fromhis house.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:23):
I mean, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:24):
They wouldn't let him go to the house, they did it
for him, so he wouldn't have togo to the house.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:28):
We tried, folks, sheriff's office.
We tried to go to our own houseto pack up our stuff, but hell
no.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:34):
Yeah, and so I think I basically jammed it from there
all the way back.

SPEAKER_04 (01:11:40):
I think I mean I was there that night.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:43):
It was several hours.
I want to say, let me, did I sayhow long it was?
I don't remember, but it was I'mgonna say I was at least there
for like two hours at least.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:52):
At least, maybe going I thought it was like
three or four hours.
Might have been more.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:56):
It was a lot because we were because they just it was
just like they were waiting forme to open up the bin that
didn't have what they said, andthere's a bunch of stuff in
there.

SPEAKER_05 (01:12:04):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:05):
But it was just like we we'd gone through so many
bins, and they all were exactlywhat was on the list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:09):
So it was sort of like Good thing, good thing
Chelsea Graves didn't plantanything, huh?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:15):
But it's funny, they also noticed that they they
phoned it in at the end.

SPEAKER_04 (01:12:19):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:20):
Like they were like, oh, look, they got tired of
writing all this shit down.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:23):
And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty sure they like
after 30 boxes, they were like,We got it, we're going, we're
calling.
Yeah, I said I didn't know aboutany of this until I got the
stuff.
Yeah, I got to know about thebaker's boxes, which was true.
I didn't know about theinventory, I didn't know about
any of this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:39):
All of it was true.
We we never expected they'd beinventorying our underwear in
Depeche Mode collections.
I mean, my God, how crazy isthat?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:47):
Okay, well, that was good, right?
Oh my god.
That was a good one.
Can I do this one?
There we go.

unknown (01:12:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:53):
What do you think, guys?
What do you think?
Um you think that was a littlebit much?
I mean, that's how Scientologyhas to do this legally.
So they're there on the the endwhere you can't say anything.
Now, our wedding video wasmissing because it had in our
wedding video, there were otherint-based Sea Org members that

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were in the video.
So they kept that from us.
They didn't give us our weddingphotos.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:20):
No, and they and they alleged that Kirsten,
Kirsten Catano alleged that itwas just an oversight and that
she would send it to us, but shenever did.

SPEAKER_05 (01:13:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:30):
Um we ended up getting a copy of our wedding
video, which we've put onYouTube, um, about 20 years
later, um, because my mother hadsent a copy to my
stepgrandmother who passed away.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:46):
Yeah, the police canine could have just talked to
Jupiter and Jupiter could havevouched for us.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:51):
Because since Mark story checks out per Jupiter,
you know.
Yeah, the police canine wouldhave been like, I know, it was
like, dude, bro, I just brokeout from this place.
They were so abusive to me.
They didn't even give me a bathfor five months.
Yeah, and the canine's like Ijust got a bath for the first
time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:06):
Yeah, the canine's like, what is that?
It's like, yeah, it's pinacolada.
Pina colada is nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:10):
You smell good now, bro.
It's very good.
You're good now.
Things are looking up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:13):
Just like a little bit of just a little bit of
exotic T.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:15):
I've told the story before.
I literally cried when I had totell Jupiter, I'm so sorry,
dude.
I have to, I have to get out ofhere somehow.
Somehow we'll make it all workout, but I cannot, you know, you
can't run away with a dog intow.
It doesn't work.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:29):
Yeah.
Anyway, Scientology is crazy.
So it's always worse than youthink.
Scientology is crazy.

SPEAKER_04 (01:14:36):
Yes, exactly.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:38):
Anyway.
Anyway.
So we get all my stuff, we getall the stuff, and this is the
funniest thing.
We really wanted to get thestuff back.
But once we got the stuff, Iwant to say we threw like 80% of
it away.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:50):
Yeah, most of it was like, well, first of all, we
were no longer malnourished, soa lot of our clothes didn't even
fit us anymore.
That's true.
I was like wearing kids' clothesbecause I was had had lost so
much weight.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:03):
And but also it was junk.
A lot of it was just junk that,but we didn't have anything
else, so it was our junk.
Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:10):
And hey, my passport was not junk.
What was our marriagecertificate?

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:15):
But I want to say sorry.
I'm gonna say we at least threwaway, I would say 80% of it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:15:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:21):
We have very if we have anything from that stuff,
it's photos or papers orsomething like that, but pretty
much every other I do have thereis a Battlefield Earth copy that
was in there that is signed byJohn Travolta.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:36):
He signed it as Turl, though, not as John
Travolta.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:40):
I gotta find that.
I keep talking about it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:41):
Turl is the main character that John Travolta
plays in the movie.
He's the bad guy.
Anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:48):
I have that, and then we had a few other things
that we might still have kickingaround.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:51):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:52):
Um, okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:53):
And yes, Jupiter lived out the rest of his he
did.
He was a he was a a very oldDalmatian when he finally had a
good five final years with us,and he was just the best.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:04):
He was amazing.
He was awesome.
He was the dude.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:06):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:07):
Um, let's run through some questions and then
we can give a questions.
Wait, what you wanted to do thegiveaway for?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:14):
No, I'm easy, babe.
We're we don't have a hard outtoday.
No one's bumping out, no one'sbumping out midstream.
You know, people really um wenton Claire's side on the bumping
out.
They said that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_02 (01:16:26):
I love you guys.
Thank you for packing me up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:29):
Supposedly, in the in the production industry, when
someone's in the middle of ashow and they need to leave,
they bump out.
I I'm sorry, I was not aware ofthe preferred nomenclature.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:42):
I totally knew that.
I was surprised by yourignorance.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:46):
She had no idea.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:47):
I didn't, but that's okay.
Okay, you took down the commentthat was.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:50):
Well, you didn't read it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:52):
Okay, V-Bombs, question.
Sorry, I'm in late.
But what live concerts have youbeen to?

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:57):
Oh, that's just a totally awesome random question
that has nothing to do with thenonsense.
Yeah, we have been to a lot ofDepeche Mode concerts.
Pretty much every tour since weescaped.
I've been to, I was also at theconcert for the masses at the
Pasadena Rose Bowl um front rowcenter, and that was pretty
amazing.

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That was way back in like 1888.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:20):
And you also took our middle son to Billy Eilish.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:24):
I did.
I we we are very live concertcomedy festivals, music.
We do all that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:30):
We've gone to a lot of comedy shows.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:32):
We do a lot of things at Red Rocks here in
Colorado.
We've been there gazillions oftimes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:17:37):
I went to Florence and the Machine with Mike and
Christy.
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:40):
Didn't you guys also go to some other you went to
another concert with Mike andChristy too?
Wasn't it uh anyway?
We've been to a lot of concerts.
How about that?

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:48):
Yeah, yeah.
We're good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:50):
I don't think we could name them all.

SPEAKER_04 (01:17:51):
No.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:51):
We did, and we did travel to two different states
to go to concerts with the kidsas well.
We went to Texas, they went andsaw Depeche Mode in San Antonio,
and we went and saw Depeche Modein Las Vegas.
My favorite movie.
I went by myself and somefriends.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:06):
Our youngest son was not feeling great, and he threw
up all over the stairs of thestadium.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:12):
That was true, yeah.
That was not a good look.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:14):
Not a great look.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:15):
Okay.
All right, ready for morequestions.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:18):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (01:18:21):
All right, Japan of Green Haven't very depe.
Question, Claire.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:24):
Did you like Depeche Mode before you met Mark?
So I knew of Depeche Mode.
I didn't dislike them, but Iwill say it's fair to say that
by proximity, I've come toappreciate Depeche Mode.
I wouldn't say I'm like a fan onthe level of Mark or Shannon,
but I do enjoy their music and Iespecially appreciate the role

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they've played in our lives andin our relationships.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:50):
Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (01:18:51):
Yeah, so there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:52):
Um thank you, Japan of Green Gables.
I love Japan of Green Gables wasalways Mike's favorite screen
name.

SPEAKER_02 (01:18:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:18:59):
Japan of Green Gables.
He was like, he would, he would,I think he would mention it
every time he would see it.
He would say, I love that name.
He was just always just I lovethat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:10):
Because I think he watched Anne of Green Gables on
the show with Jack.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:15):
But he was like, that's the best name ever.
Okay.
Um there's another good comment.
Thank you for that.
Um Trevanon going in to pilingin.
Um thank you.
Um I just can't get enough.
Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Um, here we go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:37):
Okay.
And it made my day whenever Mikesaid that.
Yes, completely.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:41):
Um, okay.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:42):
We love you, Mike.
Still me question.
Did you think that they may notgive you your stuff back?
Oh, 100%.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:48):
Yeah, because it had been months.
It was sort of like, what is Iwe didn't, we were kind of like,
this is weird.

SPEAKER_03 (01:19:53):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:19:54):
Like, why are they what like they it would
literally, it's we're literallyit's one room.
It's a bedroom and a bathroom.
It would take, it would take meand Claire two hours to put it
in a truck and be and driveaway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:07):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:08):
So it's like, how is this taking three months to get?

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:12):
And not only that, but it wasn't so much the the
things, you know, our clothes orwhatever, because like I said,
we'd eaten by then, we'd sleptby then, we were, you know,
re-acclimating to life in thereal world, but they had our
valuable documents, my passport,our marriage certificate, like
all these things that we neededin order to get back on our

(01:20:34):
feet.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:35):
Yeah.
It was getting, it was getting alittle old.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:20:39):
That we needed these things to do things.

SPEAKER_03 (01:20:43):
Yeah, and also it was wearing on us.
Like the moment Warren McShanecalled us, to me, that was a
flipping point.
Like when he expected us to goback and do the rehabilitation
project force, we we were bothlike, even me, I was like, Are
you literally out of your mind?
Like, you're an alien telling meto to go and do a slave

(01:21:05):
reprogramming after I've beensleeping.
I have a job, I have anapartment, all this.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:10):
This is great.
Cal crack me in.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:14):
Were your belongings packed carefully or just kind of
thrown in?
I'm thinking of hiring the cultto move.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:24):
Good job, Cal.
That really hit me in the funds.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:28):
Um we should leave a Yelp review.
Religious Technology CenterMoving Servant.
Chelsea Graves.
Five stars.
Chelsea Graves.
She she did a great job to beginwith, but she clearly burned out
towards the end.

SPEAKER_01 (01:21:41):
Um okay, let's just see if there's any more.

SPEAKER_03 (01:21:44):
I mean, my God, like this is why this document that
we shared today, I think it'ssafe to say it's one of the
craziest documents.
Like, we've we've given this toevery single law enforcement
attorney, news show, documentarywe've ever been a part of.
And it was so over the top.
That's why Mark was like, we'vegot to do a deep dive on this.

(01:22:07):
And even Clara was like, this iscrazy.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
Oh, here we go.

Clara, reminder (01:22:13):
please consider purchasing a Davy doll before
Mark keeps adding more to thestudio.
It's getting freaky.
I did it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:22):
I added all these guys, and I've been this guy,
that's his new spot.
He loves it.
And this, I like he likes to putthis leg up, but let this one
kind of hang low right there.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22:32):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:22:33):
Um, but yeah, we are giving away um Davy dolls in the
giveaway.
We're doing a giveaway today,and some people won some
bobbleheads today, too.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:42):
Yes, they did.
Um, but because leading up toChristmas, we're doing hoping to
do a final stretch.
Let's sell out the last of thefreaky Davy Navy Davies.

SPEAKER_05 (01:22:52):
These things are haunting my shop right now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22:54):
I know.
I like when people are like, Iwon the giveaway, but they're a
little too creepy for my don'tdo that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:00):
Don't say that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:01):
No, they're funny though.
Okay.
You know, you gotta have funwith it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:05):
Okay, here.
Oh, coffee milk guy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:07):
Okay, coffee milk, dude.
I got all of my stuff backexcept for any pictures,
including myself and my wife.
They were all edited out,deleted.
They don't want you to have anyevidence.
Yes, exactly.
We had us with David Miscavigethat were never sent to it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:21):
The only pictures that we got were pictures that
only we were in.
That's right.
All the pictures we had with anyother base staff.
So our wedding video had otherin base Sea Org members in it,
so they didn't give us ourwedding video.
Our wedding pictures had other,they wouldn't give us our
wedding pictures.
So they you're CoffeeMilk Dudeis totally right.
They did vet out and take allthe other stuff.

(01:23:44):
Now, you know, this is thecraziest thing, and I'm gonna
say it.
Remember, I said I put that USBstick on the ironing board?
Yeah, I saw it on the inventory.

SPEAKER_03 (01:23:56):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (01:23:57):
When I was reading the list, it was on there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:00):
What yeah.
So we have that somewhere?

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:04):
I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:05):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:06):
We might want to go through the bar dive.

SPEAKER_01 (01:24:09):
We might do a deep dive on our if you guys watch
the channel, you know that Isaid I put a whole bunch of
pictures on a USB drive.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:15):
And there was that USB drive was in the inventory.
I didn't it wasn't back likenow, I have like a hundred USB
drives.
Back then, I had a hundred no,but I'm saying back then I had
one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:26):
Yeah, that's crazy.
And there was one in there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:29):
Well, see, folks, thanks to this episode today,
perhaps I I'm gonna go on a limband say that Chelsea 100% erased
that drive if it was in there.

SPEAKER_02 (01:24:40):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:40):
She wouldn't have just thrown it in a box.
No, unless she didn't know whatit was, but she wrote on it one
USB drive.
Anyway, if you guys want to goback through the lists and
freeze and see where that USBdrive is, you'll see it on
there.
It is on the list.

SPEAKER_05 (01:24:52):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:24:52):
Um, thank you, Coffee Milk Dude.
Um, okay, what else we got?
Let's see if we got any othernew ones.

SPEAKER_03 (01:24:58):
That'd be crazy if they sent you that thumb drive.
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:01):
It would be kind of wild.
There's pictures of Tom Cruiseand David Miscavige
snowmobiling, pictures of thempictures of them jerking around
with David Beckham and RealMadrid.
Um, we're talking 2004 TomCruise Depeche Mode bromance,
which was the heavy bromanceperiod right then.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:19):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:20):
When they really were grabbing him.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:22):
The just can't get enough series.

SPEAKER_00 (01:25:24):
Yeah, when Risky Business, Mr.
Risky Business with and uh Davy,Captain Davy fake navy were
pffff, they were everywhere.
There's pictures in London,Spain, uh I think Alaska,
snowmobile being scuba diving.
I there might even have beenpictures of them on the
sailboat.
I think there was a lot ofpersonal.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:44):
Trevor says, Osa's freaking out right now.
Yep.
Hey, I didn't straight skippy.
I didn't take it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:49):
If they put it in that stuff and put it on the
list, I think that's pretty mucha get out of jail free card for
me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:56):
You do.

SPEAKER_01 (01:25:56):
You gave me the picture.

SPEAKER_03 (01:25:58):
Yeah, you literally handed it over if encouraged.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:01):
I'm not turning the house upside down looking for
that thing.
But if I find it, I'm definitelygonna pop it in a complete.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:07):
We will let you know if there's a part two coming.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:09):
Pop it on the pooder and let's see what's going on.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:11):
Unfortunately, unfortunately, the reality and
facts of life are that um shouldthere be said thumb drive, the
task of finding said drum thumbdrive will fall right here.

SPEAKER_01 (01:26:23):
Pretty much Dr.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:25):
Hi all for those that have left.
Did they have the sameexperience as you, or was it
special for you guys sinceClaire was in RTC?
Would it take this long forpeople to get their things back?
It's absolutely bonkers.
Great music taste.

SPEAKER_00 (01:26:41):
Yeah, I don't know actually.
I've we've heard from otherpeople, like since we left.
Um, we've heard from people thatgot$5,000 to sign the papers.
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:26:53):
We've heard, I mean, this is an actual ours, our I
would say it's fair, it's fairto say that ours was was on the
more extreme side, yes, but notan exception.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:03):
And also take it for take into consideration, we had
never spoken out or saidanything between this and in
this entire.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:12):
We were born into Scientology, so we ne didn't
even have a a blemish on ourhistory in that regard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:19):
Yeah, but we didn't say anything bad about
Scientology.
No, we weren't messing withthem, we weren't doing anything
that would be perceived by themas bad, except for that we just
left.
We didn't want to stay thereanymore.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:31):
Yep.
Now oh look here, let me showthis comment.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:34):
Well, I yeah, I never got anything back and no
cash for signing papers.
Good job, Techie.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:27:39):
Um I mean, not good on never getting anything.

SPEAKER_00 (01:27:42):
Well, I mean, but also he's got all new good shit
now.
So I wouldn't worry.
Yeah.
I I get it.
If you lost some personalthings, that's a bummer.
But anyway, so also Techie leftvery shortly.
He actually, I think he mighthave left before we left.

SPEAKER_04 (01:27:59):
He did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:00):
So but also whatever.
Whatever people know who he is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:06):
Uh I don't know about that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:08):
Well, I didn't say his name.

SPEAKER_03 (01:28:09):
Nope.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:10):
Anyway, there have there's other people that we've
heard that got anywhere from5,000 to 50,000 to 300,000.
That's what we've heard on thewhisper web of the people who've
left.

SPEAKER_05 (01:28:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28:22):
But also the other thing that they're doing now,
and this is if you know somebodywho left and you and this didn't
happen to them, well, there's afew things you can check into,
or you can just, if you knowthese things, it'll make it make
a little bit more sense.
If they're in Los Angeles orClearwater or someplace where
there's a Scientologyorganization, and they just

(01:28:43):
happen to work for aScientology-owned company or a
company that donates lots ofmillions of dollars to
Scientology, um, or if they liveand work with other
Scientologists or they'refriends with other
Scientologists, then they made adeal.
Yep.
That's just how that is.
They they said we'll do, we'lleither do whatever you want us
to do, we'll sign paperwork.
But if we can talk to, if theycan talk to their families, they

(01:29:06):
made a deal with Scientology,and you will never hear them say
anything because Scientology'sgiven them help with their
website and pictures if theyworked at Golden Air Productions
projects they worked in, orthey're hooking them up with
other media productions that areScientology related to keep them
still in the fold, and they'regiving them income.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:26):
And not to name any names, but have you heard uh
Tommy Davis talk about abuses hewitnessed?
Yeah, Angie Blankenship, EricGeisler.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:37):
I like how you say not to name names, and then you
name three names.

SPEAKER_03 (01:29:41):
Very intentionally.
These people have all witnessedabuses, and there is a long list
we could go on.
There's a lot of people thathave gotten out and have kept
their mouths shut, those are thepeople that have been paid off.

SPEAKER_00 (01:29:53):
Yeah, and I don't this is a hard this is a
selfie's choice sort of thingbecause it is.
Either you're out on your ownand you might end up homeless
because you're going to lose allyour network and you're going to
lose all your family and you'regoing to lose all your friends
and you're going to lose anychance to use anything you did,
any products you may or may nothave helped produce as leverage

(01:30:15):
to be able to make it in thereal world.
Um or you do get all that andyou get some money and they hook
you up with work and blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
So I get it.
It's one of those things youhave to make a decision.
If you want it to be nice foryou.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:34):
Now this may be that's that's where it's
selfish.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:38):
I understand this may be controversial.

SPEAKER_03 (01:30:40):
Silence is selfish in this scenario.

SPEAKER_00 (01:30:42):
I'm gonna go out on a limb and I'm gonna say some
shit that people are gonna getunhappy about.
But if you're in prison andsomehow your dumbass breaks out
as we did, and you get free,uh-huh, as we did, and then you
know your friends are stillthere, uh-huh, and they're not

(01:31:02):
gonna be able to get out.
They're stuck.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:05):
And you know some of those people also don't want to
be there, and they've beentrying to escape, or they've
been trying to escape five timesand they always get caught
because for whatever reason,they're not as lucky, they're
not as skilled, they theybuckled or they let on that they
were up to no good and they gotcaught before they could escape,
or however it went down.

SPEAKER_04 (01:31:25):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:26):
Would you not try to do something to to aid them to
get out or to enable them to getaway easier?
I would.
I would say, yeah, these guysare being held prisoner there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:37):
To try to help it so they can get out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:38):
When you we did the years.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:41):
But I'm saying when we did the forced abortion
thing, they couldn't do that fora while.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:45):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:45):
And so people that got pregnant, they gave them the
money, they made them sign thepapers, and they let them go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:50):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:31:50):
And those kids, those people have families in
it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:31:53):
All the people that we know that were prevented from
having children, that now havechildren, you're welcome.
It was not, it was at extremepersonal cost to us personally.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:04):
But I don't think that just because they're still
there that they're bad, or theydon't think they're bad.
But they don't they don'tdeserve nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:18):
That did witness personal abuses, like the Angie
Blankenships of the world, yeah,those are the people I'm not
willing to give.

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:24):
I understand.
And I understand, and I I'm not.
I do, yes, I understand.
And I also do understand that itis so Sophie's chance.
They either have to Sophie'schoice.
Sophie's choice, chance,tchotchki.
Either way, they have to decide.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:39):
They're putting their own personal comfort and
benefits and life ahead ofwhat's right.
Do you think it was comfortablefor us to speak out about forced
a lot of people?

SPEAKER_00 (01:32:49):
I'm not saying we did the wrong thing.
I'm on team BFG, okay?
I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_03 (01:32:59):
I we're just having a winning.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:03):
I understand that some people think that the Sea
Org members should just be highand dry because they're in the
Sea Org.
They're they're pieces of junk.
But a lot of those peoplearen't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:13):
I don't.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:13):
But the ones who leave, you're right.
The ones who leave and and domake a deal, they basically did
it for them and their family.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:22):
And Scientology is going to keep getting away with
shit because they're not sayingOkay, great.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:26):
Lovely.
You can speak to your mom, EricEisler.
I can't speak to my mom, and yetI have conviction.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:33):
Player's definitely winning.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:34):
This is not a right thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:36):
I'm not challenging this.
I'm just basically saying wemade a decision that we were
going to take the harder road.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:43):
And it has been very hard.

SPEAKER_00 (01:33:45):
The hard road less travel.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:47):
That's where I have strong feelings.

SPEAKER_01 (01:33:49):
The narrowest pass is often the holiest.

SPEAKER_03 (01:33:52):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Okay.
I I think everyone gets it.
Louise.
Okay.
I'm not arguing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:00):
Oh, I have a whole thing for this.
Sorry.
Yeah.
So we're going to do this now,right?

unknown (01:34:03):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:04):
There we go.
Oh, hi, Phil.
If all those under the radardecided to speak out, it would
have a huge impact.
Yes.
And I do agree.
It's it's a personal choice.
I just know I'm talking about avery select segment.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:18):
No, I get it.
Yes.
I get it.
I know who you're talking about.
Yeah.
Eric Eisler, Angie Blinkenship,and the other one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:24):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:25):
I don't remember the other one anymore, but I
remember there were three ofthem.
Marty Rathley.

SPEAKER_01 (01:34:29):
Tommy Davis.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:30):
Tommy Davis.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:31):
Tommy Davis has a Sea Org tattoo.
I mean, he is.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:34):
I mean, come on.
Yeah.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:37):
Okay.
State Navy Davy Doll photocontest.
Okay.

unknown (01:34:41):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:41):
Now, I'm not going to say we spent a lot of time
throwing this together, but wedidn't get that many photos, and
I didn't see one on um socialmedia.
No one tagged me.
No, but no one tagged me on anythat they posted.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:56):
Yes.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:34:57):
Or if they did, I didn't see them.

SPEAKER_03 (01:34:58):
Okay.
So we're going to streamline.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:00):
Yeah, we'll figure that part out.
But we did pick some that weliked from the ones that we were
sent.
And you got to send them.
You got to go to Blown for Good,and you got to go to the contact
us page, and that's where youcan send us the photo.
Yes, we do.
To make sure that we see that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:12):
A bunch of people did, and these were the best of
the ones we received.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:15):
These were the finalists that we picked our.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:17):
Oh, Kaz said she tagged one.
We'd we so we apologize.
Sorry.
We'll get we'll get better atthe administration of the case.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:24):
I looked, I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:35:25):
We've had a lot going on, so our bad.
Um it's all good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:29):
We have one that the ones we get sent.
Yeah.
We pick my favorite one, yourfavorite one.
Yes.
And then whatever the one that'sshared on social media gets the
most uh reach or likes orretweets or f whatever,
depending on where you do it.

SPEAKER_04 (01:35:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:35:43):
Put tag the blown for good page.
I think we have an account oneverything Insta, Facebook,
Twitter, X, everything.
Yeah.
Most of everything.
Okay.
The ones, the big ones.
Okay.
And then we'll see which onegets the most likes or retweets
or shares, and then that we'llpick from those which one is the
best.
If there's one that's more thanall the rest, then it's the

(01:36:04):
winner.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:05):
Yeah, and then probably mid-December, we can do
the best of the best.
Like of all the photos we'vereceived leaving leading up to
Christmas, yeah.
We'll do the best of the best.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:14):
Okay, good.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:15):
Apostate Alexander.
Don't forget to tag DavidMiscavige.
Tag David Miscavige too.
Boom.
Thank you.
That's funny.
That is funny.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:22):
Okay, so yeah, this is how it goes.
Uh fan favorite, most shared orliked, Claire favorite, Mark
favorite.
Whoever that wins those gets uhLeah Bobblehead.
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:34):
Okay, this one was my favorite.

SPEAKER_00 (01:36:36):
LOL.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:37):
JV LOL, I beat my staff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:40):
That's it.
Claire liked that one.
That really, that really ringstrue.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:46):
It is 100% true.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:48):
Really hit Claire in the fields on that one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:50):
Beats his staff with his dumbass face.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:53):
Postulating for that doll.

SPEAKER_03 (01:36:54):
There you go.
Coffee moped.
Okay.
Nice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:36:56):
What thumb drive is missing?
Yeah.
Okay.
I like this one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:01):
Apostay Alex says with the hashtag, hashtag alarm
and distress.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:06):
I like that.
Distress.
Yes, there we go.
Now, this is just a postate Alexhijacking this thing for his own
enjoyment.

SPEAKER_02 (01:37:12):
Go, Alex.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:14):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:14):
Chewy toy Davy.
Okay, now this is good.
I don't people thought I wasjoking around.
We really do marinate.
You can marinate a Davy doll.
Look at look at how good I amwith my positioning.
See, I got a Claire angle.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:27):
Oh, hey, don't cover my face.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:29):
And then I got a me angle.
Look at that.
It's a duh, it's a twofer.
Anyway, you marinate one ofthese in about you can do it an
hour, or you can do itovernight.
You marinate, you get a gallonziploc bag, you marinate a
little Davy doll with somecatnip.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:44):
What's the name of our catnip?

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:46):
It's called catcrack.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:47):
Catcrack.
You can buy it on Amazon.

SPEAKER_00 (01:37:49):
And those cats.

SPEAKER_03 (01:37:50):
It's special Colorado version of catching.

SPEAKER_01 (01:37:53):
It really is.
These cats.
They just start boom.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:01):
They're there.
Anyway.
They're on it.
They're like, did somebody saycat crack?

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:05):
So you put this guy, you marinate a little Davy doll
with I'd say maybe let's say atablespoon.

SPEAKER_02 (01:38:11):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:12):
Tablespoon of cat crack off Amazon.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:15):
We should list that in our products.
We might sell a lot of catcrack.
I'll see if I can put it up inthe products on the video.
But either way.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:23):
I I know an idea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:24):
I know an idea.
That's what our kids, our littlekids used to say.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:28):
We can make a package that goes with this.
It's called fake navy gravy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:38:33):
Sounds like more merch stuff for me to make and
send out.

SPEAKER_03 (01:38:37):
Come on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:38:38):
Anyway, if you do that and you give this guy to
your cats, your cats will doeverything that's photogenic
with little Davy Davy here.
Fake Navy Davy here.
Okay.
Now we also did have somehonorable mentions, which is um
this is a great one.
This Davy doll is that he'strying to save his files from

(01:39:00):
being his David Miscavige'sfiles from being taken.
And the little fake navy doll isliterally clinging to the last
moment before the FBI opened thedrawer and get the files out.

SPEAKER_02 (01:39:09):
He's like, not my files.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:10):
And then there's another two choo toy uh just
hanging with the dog and thecat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:16):
And the best is the look on the cat's face, and the
dog's like, back it off, honey.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:20):
Yeah, this is my Davy doll.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:22):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:39:22):
And then we we have Clara doing an operation.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:26):
Operation.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:28):
I thought she was doing some kind of voodoo magic
man, but not that's not what itwas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:39:32):
It was she was you said voodoo magikman?

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:35):
Voodoo Magikman.
Bakinbol.
Buck and bowl, voodoo magikman.
If you know what movie that'sfrom, put it in the comments and
I will be amazed.

SPEAKER_05 (01:39:44):
Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:39:45):
Bakinbull.
Voodoo Magikman.
Okay.
Um, still me.
Oh, thanks for that.
Still me had a good comment,too.
And then he oh my god, we'regetting silver, we're getting
stickers in the street.
Oh, thank you, coffee milk,dude.
We haven't done that in a longtime.
We appreciate you guys doingthis.
But thank you.
Now I think we I mean, we mighthave to start doing longer
videos again because we aredoing a double what we normally

(01:40:07):
do.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:07):
Hold on.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:09):
All of me.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:10):
I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:12):
Voodoo Magic Man.
Back and bowl.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:14):
That's what I was wondering if that was the answer
to that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:40:16):
Backenbowl.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:17):
That was all of me.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:19):
I have to look.
Voodoo Magic Man.
It might be two differentmovies, and I'm putting them in
the same thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:25):
Backenball and Voodoo Magic Man.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:28):
Meaning you're altering.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:29):
I could be doing two separate movies, and they
already got both of them.
That's pretty good, guys.

SPEAKER_02 (01:40:35):
I think Trading Places.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:38):
I'm pretty sure Bak and Bowl.
Bakinball is trading places.
And Voodoo Magic Man is anotherone.
Anyway, Japan and Green Gables.
Did you put that up or did I putthat up?

SPEAKER_04 (01:40:48):
I put that up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:49):
What was the first Apeche Mode concert after
escaping?
Like it was pretty amazing.
Pretty amazing.
We actually went when Claire waspregnant.

SPEAKER_03 (01:40:57):
Yes.
I was like eight monthspregnant.

SPEAKER_00 (01:40:59):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:00):
And it was in LA.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:01):
Yeah.
And it was at the StaplesCenter.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:03):
Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:04):
It was and it was an amazing show.
It was 2005.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:09):
Um 2006.
I want to say it was thebeginning of 2006.
January 2005.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:14):
It was a good concert.
So anyway, our firstborn, forthose of you who don't know, our
family has a giant peshmodeEaster egg.
Our first son is actually, hisname is Caliad.
We and he goes by Cale for Hegoes by Kale, but Caliad is a
B-side of Policy of Truth.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:30):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:31):
And I told Claire, no matter what, that first kid's
getting named Caliad.
It can be a girl, it can be agal.
It's getting Caliad.
It's going to be its shink shangname.
And we had a boy and it wasCaliad, and it's an awesome.
And he just a huge he's a hugedepeche mode fan now.
He is.
He wasn't, but now he is.
And it is kind of like his nameis a depeche mode fan.

SPEAKER_03 (01:41:48):
He's had a few, a few teachers over the years that
were huge depeche mode fans.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:41:53):
And when he said his name was Kalia, they were just
like, Yeah, he's gotten somegood brownie points for that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:01):
Oh.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:01):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:02):
Um, hold on.
Let me put this up.
It looks like prizes.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:07):
Mike Render, Leah Remedy, Bobblehead.
Thank you, everyone.
He knows he's too cute.
He's a mixed breed.
Carn Terrier and Pomeranian.
He's probably spoiled, but youcan be spoiled if you deserve
it.
Oh, this is the bird right here.
The dog.
The bird.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:19):
Um I thought it was the other one.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:22):
There we go.
That one.
This one.
Yeah.
Braun one, you won.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:25):
Yay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:26):
So you're getting a Leah or Mike Bobblehead, you get
to pick.
And L O L, I beat my staff.
You won.
Um, you're getting a Leah orMike Bobblehead, you get to take
your pick.

SPEAKER_05 (01:42:35):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:36):
Email Claire at blumforgood.com and she will
send you a link, and you justbasically place the order and it
just gets sent to you.
You're gonna go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:43):
And we'll do a a draw for today for anyone who
has commented.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:47):
We're gonna do a giveaway as well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:42:49):
Yes, because we're gonna keep this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:42:51):
Um the generosity is just uh is outstanding.
This is an onslaught of extremegenerosity.
Um we're doing it.
I'm gonna hit the button.

SPEAKER_04 (01:43:00):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:01):
Okay, now remember disclaimer we didn't build this
tool, we didn't program thistool, we have no influence over
this tool.
This is the StreamWard giveawaytool.
You go on, you say which stream,it pick it takes any comment,
any person who's commented, andit just selects.
You just get as soon as youcomment, you're entered into
win.
There's been a hundred there mayhave been 500 comments, but 120

(01:43:23):
different people made thosecomments, and then I draw, and
then it does all the work.
I I see you just saw my name upthere.
Yep, but I didn't, I didn't, I'mnot doing this.
Oh, Japanna Green Gabbles, oh,oh, Dr.
X, oh Rose, oh Buckwheat!

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:36):
Boom! Buckwheat.
Congratulations.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:39):
That's two Eddie Murphy references in one show,
Trading Places and Buckwheat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:45):
Nice, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:46):
I just stole an Eddie Murphy story yesterday,
too, about when I got beat up inschool.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:50):
Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:50):
I told an Eddie Murphy joke, and I was on the
wrong part of the joke.

SPEAKER_03 (01:43:53):
Yes, you were.
You were on the show.

SPEAKER_00 (01:43:54):
If anybody knows Eddie Murphy's giving early
albums, I played the part of thekid that said the thing because
I said the thing, and then I gotbeat up, just like the kid in
the joke did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:04):
Eddie Murphy's.
There you go.
Buckwheat, send me an email,Claire at blownforgood.com with
your address, and we will getyou a fake navy Davy doll that
does not cause alarm anddistress.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:15):
Yep.
Um, should we do a few morequestions or we should we call
it?
I mean, I'm having fun.
We're here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:21):
Yeah, we're good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:22):
We're not always come down here.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:24):
Yeah, we don't always have a we usually have a
rest of Murph, Charlie Murphy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:28):
Yes.
Rest of me rest in peace,Charlie Murphy.
Um, congratulations, Buckwheat.

SPEAKER_03 (01:44:34):
Yeah.
Oh I do see what they're talkingabout now that I can see all
that your Davy collection therebehind your laptop.
It's a little concerning.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:43):
I tried to make see no evil, hear no evil, speak no
evil, but you know, Davy's notthe most skilled.
Okay.
It's just he can do what he cando.

SPEAKER_02 (01:44:52):
Yep, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:44:53):
Um okay.
Um, yeah, congratulations to allthe people that uh got
something.
I'm looking for questions now,and I'm going back up.
We've been yipping and yappingand doing a lot of.

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:03):
Hold on.
I'll look for some.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:04):
Um if you have a question, put it in there and
we'll get to it.
Oh, actually, sorry, there's 56start.
Um, but most of these arepeople.
I am gonna do a new thing um atthe end of the video.
Like, watch, I'll show yousomething, guys.
If I put up comments, you cansee them now live.
So if if somebody makes acomment now, um, it should show
right up on the um, there yougo.

(01:45:25):
So for the end of the video, II'm just gonna put it on like
this.
And so if you post something,it'll be up.
That way I don't have to go todifferent ones, you'll just see
it, and it'll just be on thescreen.
How about that?

SPEAKER_03 (01:45:36):
Here we go.
Yep.
Technology okay.
Here I'm pulling up a comment.
Phil Jones says, You know whatyou need to do is their standard
line.
I've been fed that also.
Yeah, that's in reference to youknow what you need to do to get
able to get your family back totalk to them or in our emails,
it's pretty spelled out, prettyclear.
It is.

SPEAKER_00 (01:45:56):
They they absolutely had told your family that you
can't talk to us.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46:02):
Yeah.
What now?
Sorry, Phil says, after yourstuff was in the truck, did they
declare the truck suppressive?

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:09):
That's a good suppressive truck.
It's got to go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:46:13):
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:14):
Um, anyway, yeah, in our emails, it's pretty clear
that they absolutely do um makeyour people disconnect from you.
They don't give you a choice.
Yeah, and even if the person isconfused or doesn't want to do
it, they're basically like, ifyou don't do it, you're gonna be
declared a suppressive persontoo, and then you're gonna be
out.

SPEAKER_04 (01:46:31):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:46:31):
Anyway, it's a bummer, guys.
We're fighting it.
Um we're trying to ex we'retrying to tell you as many
stories as we can, and we'realso trying to do it in a sem
semi-entertaining way so thatit's that's our hope anyway,
digestible.
And then you get it.
It's not we're not, it's notlike it's not like we're making
all this shit up.
We got we got the receipts allover the place, and we've been

(01:46:53):
giving them, we've given allthis stuff to the FBI, even the
FBI, even the FBI agents.
When they when we showed themthis list, the key thing that
was important to them that wason the list was the passport,
yep, was the birth certificate,was the marriage license, was
all your legal documents, theyhad been holding on to those.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:12):
And just the volume of our belongings that they held
on to for three months afterwe'd escaped.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:17):
And that they took out all the pictures and they
basically destroyed any evidencewe would have had by going
through all of our stuff andstripping it of any evidence
that we had.

SPEAKER_03 (01:47:29):
Yeah.
So and yet still there were afew, there was like a thank you
note from David Miscavige thatslipped through because they Did
I ever say that we had thatbirthday video?

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:39):
The birthday video of Tom Cruise and David
Miscavige on the free winds.
That now there's two versions ofthis story.

SPEAKER_04 (01:47:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:47:49):
Because we had a CD that was a birthday party that
Tom Cruise had on the freewinds.
That they gave to us.
Now it was in it was stuck to anEnya CD that they gave us.
It was one of those CDs that'son there.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:08):
Well, it was the shiny side that was stuck to no,
it was the label side that wasstuck to the uh some music CD.
And so it said Enya or whateverit said, and then on the other
side it was silver.
But it uh the because they hadprinted a custom label on this
Tom Cruise birthday DVD, it wasstuck to the Enya DVD.

(01:48:29):
So unless you put it in the CDplayer, you wouldn't have known
it was a Tom Cruise birthdayDVD.

SPEAKER_04 (01:48:33):
Right.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:34):
Anyway, they sent that to us.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:37):
They did.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:38):
And then I think I did a spy files about this,
actually, now that I think ofit.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:42):
Did you?
I don't know.
I didn't know it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:44):
It's in one of the spy files because Mike was
trying to talk to whatever TVstation I was trying to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48:50):
They had drafted a lawsuit.

SPEAKER_00 (01:48:52):
Yeah, they had a whole lawsuit drawn up and all
that stuff.
Anyway, there's a video of TomCruise dancing around dancing
the fool and a whole bunch ofmusicians.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:00):
Japan of Green Gable says, I can't imagine David
Miscavige listening to anything.
Yeah, I know his jam.
Mind you, uh I don't know, you'dbe surprised if somebody said
McShane's jam was uh sounds likeit's super likely they sent the
USB.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:15):
I never even thought about that, but you're right.
They might have sent that USB.
It might have just pushed it offthe ironing board into one of
those boxes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:25):
It was one of the nights when Chelsea had been up
all night trying to get thisdone.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49:28):
That would be so crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:33):
Anyway, there's a video on the internet somewhere
of Tom Cruise dancing around onthe free ones, and David
Miscavige and Shelly Miscavigeare in the front row, and
Larissa's there, and all thefuddy duddies are there, and Ron
Miscavige is playing trumpet,and they did the Mission
Impossible guitar Scientologyremix and all that stuff.

SPEAKER_04 (01:49:52):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:53):
Um, did we freeze the bees?
Um, it looks like we're goingout up there.

SPEAKER_03 (01:49:58):
We did freeze.

SPEAKER_00 (01:49:58):
We did.
Oh, there we go.
We're fine.
We'll figure it out, guys.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:01):
Also was starting to panic about talk too much USB
stick talk.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:05):
Okay, this is so funny you say this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:07):
Question Does any Scientologist see David
Miscavige anymore?

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:10):
I don't think they do.
I think if he's at an event,they might see him, but I think
other than that, he is layinglow.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:17):
Um, I'm gonna do a stream with Alex.
What am I doing then?

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:20):
Um next Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:21):
I think I'm gonna do a stream on Alex um apostate
Alex's channel, and we're gonnatalk about the IAS events.

SPEAKER_03 (01:50:29):
I'm gonna tell you guys it's on this coming
Wednesday, October 8th.

SPEAKER_00 (01:50:32):
I'm gonna tell you guys all kinds of David
Miscavige crazy IAS stories andthings that happen at events and
people that got sent to the RPFfor films not playing the way,
all that stuff of all the IASand the tents and the this's and
the that's um okay.
Uh Al Postax, yes, Wednesday.
I can't wait.
Okay, good.

(01:50:53):
Yeah.
Hopefully we I don't know ifwe're doing it live.
I don't know what we're doingit.
That's it's uh it's gonna be onAlex's channel.
Um and Alex can tell you whattime because I don't know.
It's whatever time Alex wants todo it.
I'm doing it on his schedule.
It's down for to be fair though,it's gonna be in the day for me,
no matter what.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:08):
We have it on I have it on our calendar for 2 p.m.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:11):
Yes.
Okay.
Um, I say we do a few lastquestions and then we wrap it
up.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:18):
Perfect.
Sounds good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:19):
Um, sure, Japan and Green Gables.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:21):
Question.
I remember hearing that JessePrince as Vicky Asnaran's second
in command.
Claire, did you ultimately gethis old post when you were in
RTC?
Also, love the story about Jesseand Mark's book.
Yeah, it was a differentorganizing structure, so
different positions.
My position was internalexecutive, which meant No, no.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:43):
Um, I think for a while Jesse Prince was in um
correction.
He was in ABC and he was thedirt corrector.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:49):
Yes, yes, so he probably was.
I don't I haven't I haven'tactually asked Jesse that.
I can ping it up.

SPEAKER_00 (01:51:54):
I'm pretty sure he was in that department.

SPEAKER_03 (01:51:55):
We we yeah, we probably had the same and yes,
apostate Alex says yes, 2 p.m.
mountain time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:01):
There you go.
There you go.
Perfect.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:03):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:03):
Okay, here you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:05):
All right, Auntie M.
You could FOIA the stop reportif you know the date, location,
and approximate time.
Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:15):
Yeah, you should that should Okay.
That's on your list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:19):
All right, great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:20):
It's on your list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:20):
Thank you, Auntie M.
I'll get on it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:24):
It's on Claire's list.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:26):
It's on my list.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:26):
Maybe it'll get done, but if it is, it's gonna
get done by her.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:30):
You're cruising for a bruise and stop it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:32):
Whatever Claire says is true.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:36):
Thank you.
Yay!

SPEAKER_01 (01:52:38):
Claire, your flashlight is on your phone.
That's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:43):
You got remote old fogied busts.
Um, sir, ma'am, uh, your phone'son.

SPEAKER_03 (01:52:50):
Uh, Auntie M, thank you.
I turned it off now.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52:53):
Um, question any updates on the in base you can
share?
I drove past it not too longago.
Okay, this is a great lastquestion to end on.
From what we've heard, theybasically shut down the whole
place.
Because this is the problem withthe in base.
They were making things thatthey were selling.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:11):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:12):
And they were living on the same property where they
were making the things.
If you work somewhere and youmake something that your boss
sells and you can't leave,that's a huge, huge indicator
that human trafficking is takingplace.
And so during our lawsuit andduring the FBI investigation,

(01:53:35):
they shut down everything thatgets done at the MPase.
They no longer produce anythingthat gets sold there, and they
moved all of the mediaproductions to Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53:47):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:53:47):
And they basically made it so the people that are
there are doing like filmrestoration and they're
basically doing busy work nobodycares about.
And they can't go anywhere, theycan't make anything.
And uh, we have heard thathundreds of people have escaped.
They've either escaped by havingkids or they escaped by just

(01:54:10):
leaving, or something or otherthey managed to get out.
Now, a great majority of thosepeople have also signed these
deals, or they set them up withwebsites and resumes and hooked
them up with rich Scientologiststo work for in their including
people that tried to break outthrough the gate, including
people that we know for facttried to escape at least on two

(01:54:33):
prior occasions.
Yes.
And those people were allowed tomake a deal and escape.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:39):
And a lot of these are couples.

SPEAKER_04 (01:54:41):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:54:41):
They could have gotten pregnant, they could have
done a lot of different things,but whichever way it worked out,
they were able to get out.
And they were given jobs andthey were hooked up with deals
and they got to see theirfamilies, their Scientologists'
families, and everything inScientology is perfect.
And that's why they tried toescape twice before they finally
ended up somehow making a dealand getting out.

(01:55:04):
So I I count that as a win onour end that they were able to
get out and then they got abetter deal because they knew
they could be a problem if theystuck together and made a
problem.

SPEAKER_04 (01:55:15):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (01:55:16):
Either way, they got out and they're living their
lives.
Whether they're still underScientology's control and
they're never gonna sayanything, the jury's still out.
Who knows?
Maybe they'll come forward andthey'll light up Scientology and
they'll tell them everythingthey know.
Because if they do that, it'snot gonna break any of the
agreements because it is illegalfor you to sign an agreement
that says you won't tell aboutsomebody who's breaking the law

(01:55:38):
or committing a crime orcommitting a felony or a
misdemeanor or whatever.
You can say that all you want,and no NDA can protect that.
Um, and that's the reason whywe've always not been worried
about legally what Scientologyis going to be able to do to us,
because if as long as we tellthe truth and we almost all the
things that happened, we havepeople that know that the same
thing happened or they werethere or whatever.

(01:56:00):
So we're kind of covered.
As long as we tell the truth,we'll be fine.
Um question why do you thinkScientology didn't go after
Nixium or sue them forsquirreling the tech?
I don't really think they eventhought Nixium was even a thing
that they cared about.
I don't, we weren't there whenthe Nixiem thing kind of hatched
up.
But also the guy kind of justread it's funny, the guy read

(01:56:22):
Scientology and then he kind ofrebranded it to make make it his
own thing.
He kept a lot of the sameconcepts and the things, he just
named them different things, butthat's essentially what Hubbard
did anyway.

SPEAKER_05 (01:56:33):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (01:56:34):
He copied other people's stuff and then just
rebranded it.
So kind of uh the the Nixiem guydid exactly what Hubbard did.
So it's sort of like you can'tsay this guy's a bad guy because
that's the same thing thatHubbard did.
Anyway, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:47):
I wanted to cover this one.
Lillian says, Will there be afollow-up show on Surge?

SPEAKER_00 (01:56:52):
Short on Surge.
Yeah, we could do one.
I just talked to Serge today.
Yeah, well, he sent me amessage.

SPEAKER_03 (01:56:57):
He left me a message.
Um, he is now in a really goodprogram that um is helping him
to um get life skills and soforth.
He's doing great with that.
And Mark and I are bringing himout here for Thanksgiving.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:11):
So he's gonna come for Thanksgiving, it's gonna be
a blast.

SPEAKER_03 (01:57:14):
Luckily, Mark travels a lot, so we're using
his points to fly Serge out tospend Thanksgiving with us.
So there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:57:21):
Awesome, guys.
Um, I think we covered it alltoday.
We did we did a little bit of alonger episode.
So, those of you on the podcast,hopefully um, you still will
will stick with us.
You know, I want to say I got anemail from the podcast place
that we are in, we were in thetop five percent of podcasts,
and we are now in the top threepercent of podcasts.

(01:57:44):
And I think if we get like 100more downloads a week, we'll be
in the top 1%.
That's how close we are from 3%to being in the top.
That being said, there are like50,000 podcasts, so it's still
we're not like we're not in thetop 100 or top 10, but we are in
the top 1%, so or the top three.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:07):
Yes, we appreciate to do this work without you
being here.
So, I mean, we probably would,but it would be kind of quiet if
we were just sitting heretalking to ourselves, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:18):
It is.
It's sometimes I wonder.
I'm like, you know.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:23):
So thank you for tuning in and making it worth it
to us.
And you know what's reallyfunny?

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:27):
You know what video gets the most views on our
channel?

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:29):
What?

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:30):
It's a 30-second clip of Tom Cruise and David
Miscavige at that birthdayparty.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:34):
Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:35):
That gets more views than anything on our channel.

SPEAKER_02 (01:58:37):
Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:38):
And I'm like, okay, I get it.
You want to see Tom Cruise for30 seconds, so you can't listen
to me for fucking more thananyway.
It is what it is.
I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:46):
We're good.
We're still here.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:47):
At least we found out that Claire had her
flashlight on.
So thanks for that.
Appreciate that.
It would have been silly.
Well, um, thank you forwatching, guys.
There's an end.

SPEAKER_03 (01:58:56):
Thank you on TM.
Thank you for the listening thatI now need to do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:58:59):
Thanks for all the guys that send super stickers
and super chats.
We appreciate it.
Very generous of you.
Oh, I got to put this one there.
But there you go.
Thank you, guys.
Betsy C just squeezed that onein at the last second.
Um, okay, I'm gonna put thesecomments on.
And so when the end thing isplaying, if you have a comment
on, you're gonna see it.
Yes, it'll be there.
It might not be as big, butit'll be there.

(01:59:20):
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(01:59:41):
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