From Gold Base To LA: Mitch Brisker On Narconon, Vaults, And Control - Scientology Secrets #23 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_00 (00:25):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
Today I have a special guest,and that is Mitch Brisker here.
Join, please welcome him to thevideo.
Hey Mitch.

SPEAKER_03 (00:42):
Hey Mark, great to see you.

SPEAKER_00 (00:44):
Good to see you again.

SPEAKER_03 (00:51):
But for you, anything.

SPEAKER_00 (00:54):
Thank you.
If you're joining us, uh this isthat we're gonna we're recording
this as a video, so this isgonna come out, but we do like
it for people to let us knowwhere they're watching from.
So if you want to jam in thecomments uh where you're uh
watching from today, we'dappreciate that.
And then um today we have uhbasically we did a two or three

(01:15):
videos on the int base, theScientology International
Headquarters over the past monthor so.
And um, and Mitch saw one ofthose videos, and um we covered
a video that he participated inwhen he was still working at
Golden Air Productions forScientology, and um, and we
covered some of the people thatappear in that video and how the

(01:37):
videos basically it'smake-believe.
There's not a lot the peoplethat are doing things in that
video, they don't normally looklike that, they don't normally
act like that, they're notrunning around the property uh
in the middle of the day goingfor runs.
And um, and Mitch uh sent me anemail and he said, Oh, uh uh, I
wanted to update you on allthese things.
So we figured we'd just gothrough that and cover that uh

(01:59):
all the updates that he had.
And um when did you when whendid you move from that property
uh down to Los Angeles?
Or did you was there sort oflike a uh transition or did you
go back and forth, or how didthat work?

SPEAKER_03 (02:13):
Uh it was a weird kind of no, I moved down in uh
2013.
Okay.
I was working out of ASI, uh, Iwas working on the Narcanon
program with Miscavige, uh,which was a hoot.

SPEAKER_00 (02:26):
Yeah, like videos and films for Narcodon?

SPEAKER_03 (02:30):
Yeah, so I will no, the entire program was being
rewritten from the ground up.
So wow.
I was rewriting all of the filmsthey were getting done at gold.
I I just I didn't go up therefor obvious reasons because if
you could avoid going up therefor any reason, it's a good
reason.
Yes.
And you know, I uh ASI was sevenminutes from my house, so it was
like really nice.

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I think I wrote 27 films.
I was down there for and then Idid a bunch of other stuff.
You you know the these these uhyou know the the uh what do you
call it?

SPEAKER_00 (02:59):
The the um the Scientology TV no the IS event,
which is just happened, I guess,because it's how yeah, we're
recording this on October onHalloween on October 31st, and
uh and they they just had the uhInternational Association of
Scientologists event in England.
According to the videos thatthey did that that I just saw

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that uh Alex uh apostate Alexposted, they had like 2,000
people showed up.
It was like abysmal, like thelowest ever.
Yeah, if they're not doing twobusiness.

SPEAKER_03 (03:31):
I wanted to acknowledge that.
But so you know, and then Iwhile I was down there working
at OSI, I would write these adsfor the IES event, like I would
the the short videos.
The the whole event is organizedaround some uh first there's an
intro, which I had never hadanything to do with, which is a
bunch of fake statistics.
Yeah, you used to help makethose things, yeah.
And and then we would dosomething about the volunteer

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ministers, and then somethingabout uh CCHR, and then
something about I don't know, uhoh uh a sort of an aggregate one
of all of the incredible helpScientology does.
You know, Mark, I have one ofthose.
They're called How We Helpvideos.

SPEAKER_00 (04:09):
How we help?

SPEAKER_03 (04:10):
Yeah, I have one of them.
It's two minutes long.
We should do it sometime becauseit's one of the videos that they
sell that they show at the ISevent, which gets everybody.
I mean, and the statistics, Ilooked at it yesterday, I forgot
I had it.
Yeah.
Statistics are like 50 millionpeople shown their human rights.

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Like, you know, 107 millionpeople informed about drugs.

SPEAKER_00 (04:36):
Yeah.
Well the insane.
Yeah, one of the way they getone of the ways that they sort
of add those up is if they ifthey pass out, like let's say
there's a uh a football match inEurope somewhere and they pass
out flyers there, theypotentially reached, you know,
50,000 people that day.
Yeah, because they passed out ahundred flyers.

SPEAKER_03 (04:58):
Yeah, but I've been there.
I I actually witnessed themrandomly handing out flyers and
they go like this.
They shove it at somebody, theperson looks at it and they're
like, I don't fucking want this,and then it goes into the trash.

SPEAKER_01 (05:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:11):
So it's just like no, I mean, I'll tell you about
it.
Here's that they all start witha kernel of truth, like you just
acknowledged that.
Yeah, we handed out 50,000flowers, so there's there's
always it starts with somethingtrue, and then they launch off
of that.
The there was a the Youth forHuman Rights campaign that we
did a bunch of PSAs and they gotshown on television.

SPEAKER_00 (05:33):
Announcements for those not in the industry.

SPEAKER_03 (05:36):
Yeah, uh yeah, they're not really PSAs, they're
public service the the FCCmandates broadcasters that they
have to donate a certain amountof time for public service
announcements.

SPEAKER_01 (05:49):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (05:50):
But what Scientology does is they buy ads and then
they call them, they tell theirpeople their PSAs.

SPEAKER_00 (05:56):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (05:57):
Because they consider their public service
announcements.

SPEAKER_00 (05:59):
Yeah, it's like when they shot a um what was called
an infomercial at the time.

SPEAKER_03 (06:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:05):
They didn't want to be lumped in with infomercials
and and then like cheesy salesand on so they called it a
documental, which is adocumentary commercial.

SPEAKER_03 (06:16):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
They like to re they like to rebrand it for internal
use, even though no one reallycares.

SPEAKER_03 (06:24):
Yeah, yeah.
By the way, a little bit offtopic, but uh, I've noticed on
Facebook Marketplace there's a ahot AI influencer who's selling
uh a code for buying a Dianeticsbook on Facebook Marketplace.
Yeah, no, it's fully sanctioned.
This is one I'll send it to youlater, we'll deal with it.
But so to answer your question,so in 2013, or a few months

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before that, Miscavige hadpulled me aside and said, I'm
leaving gold, I'm never comingback because too many people
effed me over here, right?
And uh, you know, later I foundout that he was uh, you know,
obviously concerned because hehad abused so many people on
that base, that there's alwaysthat concern that someone is
gonna lose it and just get aweapon and kill you.

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And so, you know, he was livingin that sort of that that kind
of dangerous environment whereyou just you you don't know if
people are gonna retaliateagainst you.
I uh and so I kind of considerthat that's why he left.
And then I also found out laterfrom Mike that uh he was very
concerned about an FBI raid.
He wanted to get out of there.
So he moved to LA, and then afew months later, I got a
message go down there and seehim, and then we met, and he's

(07:29):
like, Hey, I got this massivelawsuit of these four deaths at
Narconon, and so we got to redothe whole program because um so
we don't get sued, you know, notto make it safer for the people
that they're servicing, but tomake it less of a liability for
them because you know that'sit's all about reduce the
liability, reduce the liability.

SPEAKER_00 (07:50):
It's funny that it's funny that you say that because
I was working with uh uh anattorney in Oklahoma, and um,
and he basically asked me if Icould give him the courses that
consisted of the Narcanonprogram.
Yeah.
And I said, Yeah, that's easy.
They're these Scientologycourses are the exact courses

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they use at Narcanon.
They're not, they're not,they're just rebranded for
Narcanon.

SPEAKER_03 (08:19):
Yeah, they're recompiled.
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same exact course, it'sjust the big difference between
a prescription drug with a brandname and a prescription drug
that's generic.
Yeah, like there's nodifference.

SPEAKER_00 (08:31):
Yeah, it's the same thing, it just has a different
label.

SPEAKER_03 (08:35):
Yeah, we even did remember, you know, the remember
the purification film that youwatch, and it we redid that we
we didn't redo it, we didanother one for Narcanon so that
everybody it was the same film,shot for shot.
Everybody had narconon uniformson the stuff.
Instead of Scientology uniforms,yeah.
They got rid of all theScientology stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (08:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (08:55):
Uh so yeah, it was pretty crazy.
So yeah, I wonder if that wasone of the was it one of the
attorneys that were suing forthe wrongful death.

SPEAKER_00 (09:03):
Yes.
And there was a, I want to sayit was Narcanon Arrowhead.

SPEAKER_03 (09:07):
Yeah, it was Arrowhead.

SPEAKER_00 (09:08):
Yeah, yeah, that was the one.
And I know I know that it didn'tgo Scientology's way because um
I'm pretty sure they ended uphave having to settle with these
people that were it was theparents of the people who had
passed away on the program andum that was suing it, or the
families of these people.

SPEAKER_03 (09:27):
Yeah, yeah.
Most notably it was a young girlwho tragically died there, whose
name was Stacey.

SPEAKER_00 (09:32):
I can't uh Yeah, I remember that's that anybody
wants to google.

SPEAKER_03 (09:36):
She was the one they gave her a weekend furlough, she
strung out on drugs, they lether go home for a weekend, she
comes back in, she smugglesdrugs, and she's not being
supervised or watched in thedetox area.
Yeah, she overdoses, right?
Yeah, and her and her familywere suing because hey, we
trusted you to take care of ourdaughter.

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And Miss Gabbage was like, Yeah,this is her parents, they're
going for a payday, they'rerunning parents, like, look how
they raised their little girl.
You know, because everything tohim is just it's just vile the
way he sees the world and talksand so forth.
So, yeah, I was down thereworking with him on the Narconon
program.
Uh and that's just a wholenother story.

(10:19):
You know, when we were done,they were gonna they called
every ED from all over the worldto LA.

SPEAKER_00 (10:25):
The Narcanon EDs or the Scientology EDs?

SPEAKER_03 (10:27):
No, it's Narcanon EDs.

SPEAKER_00 (10:28):
Everyone, the executive directors of all the
different things.

SPEAKER_03 (10:30):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The guys who own the franchise,because Narcanon is like
McDonald's.
I mean, you do buy most of them,you buy it's like a franchise,
and then you pay to license thatstuff.
Yeah.
And uh I assume Miscavige wouldbe a small event with all of
those guys, and then he wouldpresent it to them.
And then he says, I can'tpresent it to them because it's

(10:52):
supposed to be secular, and I'mC org.

SPEAKER_01 (10:56):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (10:57):
And I'm thinking, oh man, this is part of this whole
scam.
Like, I'm you're really kind oflike, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 (11:03):
He shouldn't even be working on any of it.

SPEAKER_03 (11:05):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (11:06):
Not just presenting it.
I like how he's like, I can'tpresent it.
I did every other possible thingon this to produce it.
But I can't, but I can't tellpeople that we did that.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (11:17):
So then he says, You you why don't you do it?
You, yeah, me, Mitch Brisker.
Yeah.
Did you?
Yeah, I did.

SPEAKER_00 (11:26):
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (11:27):
I did.
I think it's a good thing.

SPEAKER_00 (11:28):
It's such a such a scam.

SPEAKER_03 (11:31):
I know.
And me and like uh there was acouple of, I think there was a
couple of one SOR guy involved.
What's his name?
Uh uh Hurtling, Hurtling, what'sher name?
Um, you know her.

SPEAKER_00 (11:43):
Uh the CMO, the girl in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_03 (11:46):
Yeah, her husband, I can't remember his name.
He was involved in it and hespoke, but it's just like it was
just crazy town.
It was just like Looney Tunes,the whole thing.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (11:54):
Uh so they got So that happened in 2013, though.

SPEAKER_03 (11:58):
That I think we did the release in probably 2015.

SPEAKER_00 (12:05):
Okay.

SPEAKER_03 (12:06):
And then SP opened and I went there.

SPEAKER_00 (12:09):
Scientology Media Productions.
That's the old KCE Twitter.

SPEAKER_03 (12:14):
Showpiece.
Uh I mean I mean, it is anamazing studio.

SPEAKER_01 (12:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:19):
I gotta tell you, uh, it really is a remarkable
feat.
I mean, it's the the only thingthat Scientology does that David
Miscabage oversees that'sactually uh I can't fault him
for is well I can, but it itmeans it's the way they they
restore old buildings and takecare of buildings.

(12:41):
Sure.
Because that is their primary,you know, source of value.
But they really do a good job.
I mean, they get you knowwritten up in architectural
historical magazines for doingthese things.
So yeah, I I actually reallyenjoyed working there except for
the well.

SPEAKER_00 (12:58):
The Sea Org part of it.

SPEAKER_03 (12:59):
Yeah, well, that you you'll appreciate this, Mark.
For about the first four monthsthat the studio was actually
operational and we moved overthere.
Yeah, right.
There was no what they call anestablishment team.
Now that would be your ethicspeople, your HR people, your
your police, all those people.
That entire department was notone.

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And as a result of that, it wasalmost like having a normal job,
almost.

SPEAKER_00 (13:25):
Because they didn't have all the C org bureaucracy
kind of surrounding a job.

SPEAKER_03 (13:31):
Yeah, the hyper bureaucracy.
And then this hand-picked, handsuper personally supervised
establishment team from Flag,that you know, they'd been
supervised by Miscavige andpicked by him.
They showed up and the placebecome like a Nazi boot camp.
I mean, it was these some ofthese kids that showed up from
Flag, they were like the Leibishborn, Liebens born, you know,

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the the the SS that had bredkids.
Yeah, that's what they werelike, and their job was to their
whole statistic was found andhandled flaps.

SPEAKER_00 (14:04):
Situation, oh found and handled flaps, or situations
found and handled, or flaps andfound and flaps.

SPEAKER_03 (14:09):
Yeah, I seem to remember flaps, but yeah, the
language is more accuratelysaid.

SPEAKER_00 (14:13):
Situations found and handled.

SPEAKER_03 (14:14):
That's all all they did.
It was sit down, pick up thecams, what the fuck you're up
to.
You might have, and it wasn'tthat way at gold.
Like there were there, you coulddo well and you get breathing
room.

SPEAKER_00 (14:25):
Well, at Golden Air Productions in Gold, there was
usually it it hovered around atthe international headquarters
at the Int base, it hoveredaround 300-ish people in Golden
Air Productions, and there wereusually two or three people that
were those people.
So it was like, you know, forevery hundred staff, you had one

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person that was one of thesesituation found and handle guys.
So it was a it was it was hard.
And also the the property wasvery, very spread out over 500
acres.
So those people they and theydidn't none most of those people
didn't have motorcycles, so theyhad to walk to every single
place.
And because we were where weworked at the what was called
the Cine Castle, thecinematography, this castle that

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had this giant studio in it, itwas 25 and like a 25-minute walk
from their building to ourbuilding.
It was they were on one side ofthe property and we were all the
way at the far end of the sothey had to walk all the way out
there to mess with us.
And so for a long for the veryfirst few years we were working
there, we almost didn't haveanybody coming out there because

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it was just so far to get there.

SPEAKER_03 (15:33):
No, when when we were working in the city castle,
uh I don't even remember seeinganybody from that department.
I mean, if they showed up, itwas a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 (15:43):
Yeah, we would know, like there would be like a on
the radio, like, hey, they'rehere.

SPEAKER_03 (15:47):
I mean, because it was a uh a filming facility, you
know, you shut the doors,there's a red light, nobody can
come in.
Yes, and we would just, youknow, do what we did.

SPEAKER_00 (15:56):
Hide in there and stay away.
Yeah.
Um there were many.

SPEAKER_03 (16:00):
So then so then, but real quick, so then what
happened was I was down there, Ihelped set up SP and kind of had
the same role I had at gold, andthen I got busted for let's just
call it disreputable behavior,which means I was having too
much fun in my uh uh free time.
Okay, I didn't like that becausethey don't want you having fun.
So then they sent me back up togold and uh things spiraled out

(16:22):
of control for theirs uh fromthere.
So that's kind of the wholethere was a transition down
there and then a rather ugly oneup.

SPEAKER_00 (16:29):
And to be fair, uh anything in your personal life
that isn't Scientology, theyconsider other fish to fry, and
that you're not dedicated to thecause because you're out.
I mean, Tom Cruise said it.
You think we can have we can Ican just go on vacation?
I can't do that, you know,because I know I know we're the
only ones that can help.

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Like a vacation is is not properbehavior of a Scientologist.

SPEAKER_03 (16:57):
They have a wonderful phrase uh that helps
create a kind of uh atmosphereof lessening the value of anyone
who would have, which is PTS tothe middle class.

SPEAKER_00 (17:09):
Yeah, potential trouble source to the middle
class.
So if you're in Scientology andyou want to get a new car, like
you have an old car and you wantto get a new car, then that's
considered sort of your PTS tothe middle class.
You want to be like everybodyelse in the middle class instead
of just have your head down, bumup, and do Scientology.

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And why wouldn't you give thatmoney to Scientology?
What are you wasting it on a BMWuh seven?

SPEAKER_03 (17:37):
Or sending your kids to college or building some
future.

SPEAKER_00 (17:41):
Yeah, all anything that would happen in the middle
class is frowned upon.

SPEAKER_03 (17:45):
So it was really, really bad.
I mean that was one of the worstthings you could be was PTS of
the middle class.
And so you would do differentthings to prove that you
weren't.

SPEAKER_02 (17:53):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (17:54):
The number one thing that you could do if you were
doing it of your own volitionwould be join the sea org.
That would be the ultimateproof.
Oh, I'm not PTS to the middleclass, I joined the Sea Org.
I mean, that doesn't go for kidsor people that were born into
it.

SPEAKER_00 (18:07):
You know, the another thing that I I found
interesting in the in the emailthat you sent me was uh you do
you spoke about that uhMiscavige was worried about an
FBI rate at the base, but alsobecause the only way they could
do that is if there were peopleworking and living in the same
facility.
And so they outboarded all ofthose functions to other

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properties, including if theymake a video and they sell that
video, or if they make a videothat sells Scientology, then
that can sort of count as that.
So they moved all that toScientology, media productions,
all these different facilities.
But you said that they turnedwhat there was a building at the
at the inner international basecalled the Manufacturing

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Building, Building 36.
And you said that they werestuffing, they were um stuffing
titanium, the titanium platesand capsules for the church of
spiritual technology.

SPEAKER_03 (19:02):
Yeah, yeah.
So gold, one of the because it'snot that far, you know, it's
it's the closest.

SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
The int base is the closest base to the CST base,
which is in it's in, it'smentioned, it's called uh the
running springs or uh rim of theworld, any of those different
names for the Twin Peakslocation, yeah.
Uh which is where they that'ssort of the the main church of
spiritual technology base, andthen they have all these bases

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that are really just vaults, andso that's where they
traditionally manufactured allthat stuff over the years was at
that property or assembled themanufactured product.

SPEAKER_03 (19:40):
Yeah, so uh essentially the way it works is
that gold, it's like a depot forall of the contents of the
boxes.
Okay.
I don't know who maked theboxes.
I know that Angie Blankenship'sfather had some company that
supplied whatever.
Maybe they get them made inTaiwan.
It doesn't really matter.
Yeah, the boxes get shippedthere, and then everything

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that's inside, you know, thegold-plated records, whatever it
is, yeah, it all gets sent togold, and then they kind of
stuff the titanium pinata, andthen I don't I don't know if
they do the argon there or ifthey do that at the final
destination.
Maybe they need to check it outto see what's in there.
Yeah.
They suck out all the oxygen andreplace it with argon gas.

(20:22):
Yeah.
Uh so you know, to make youknow, an inert gas.
I mean, yeah.
I'll tell you the craziestthing, Mark, about all of that
for me, yeah, was when we wereat SP and and and Miscavige was
really on a kamikaze run to getthese, you know, these uh
documentaries done about idealorgs, about the preservation
project.
Because there is, I mean, thereis some amazing technology in

(20:45):
the preservation project.

SPEAKER_01 (20:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (20:47):
It's it's like uh all of these things were arrived
at in consultation with some ofthe top experts in the world,
right?

SPEAKER_00 (20:56):
Yeah, and just so any if anybody doesn't know what
we're talking about, we actuallydid a video about this on our
channel that covered all of thechurch's spiritual technology
bases.
But essentially what they'redoing is they're taking all of
L.
Ron Hubbard's recorded andwritten works and they're
etching them into stainlesssteel plates in the case of the
books and his courses and hispolicy letters and his

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bulletins.
And then they're taking all ofhis recorded lectures that he
gave, thousands and thousands ofthese, and they're mastering
them onto gold records.
And so that they, as an archivalproject, to preserve all of L.
Ron Hubbard's written andrecorded works.
And these are in multiplelocations in these underground

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vaults in the side of mountains.
And so a lot of the the way, alot of the people that are in
this field, I actually have alot to do with this field in my
work today, because I do a lotof my our company does a lot of
uh museums and and facilitiesthat have artifacts and and and
archival things that they needto preserve.

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And you can't have certainlights, you can't have certain
materials, you're not allowed totouch anything with your hands
because your oil will actuallyeat etch over a hundred years.
The oil from your fingers willetch into these materials.
So they're handling all of thesethings with gloves, and it's
it's a special etching process.

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And they made a a record playerthat plays these gold records,
and it and it has a hand crank.

SPEAKER_03 (22:27):
Well, yeah, but but actually it's not just hand
crank, it comes with a solaryeah, accessory solar panel, you
know.
In case you know, it's not anuclear winter, you can put up a
solar panel, but yeah, it'spretty crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (22:41):
To me, the funniest thing is is that okay, so let's
say they do that, they have allthese facilities everywhere.
If somebody stumbles, if there'sa zombie apocalypse or
something, if somebody stumbleson one of these vaults and it's
filled with all these preciousmetals, they're gonna be melting
all that stuff down for tradingand currency.

SPEAKER_03 (23:00):
I don't think they're gonna make-weapons,
they're gonna make weapons outof them.

SPEAKER_00 (23:04):
Out of the stainless, they're gonna put
those on vehicles, they're gonnatake all those plates and screw
them onto the outside ofvehicles to make them like mad
mess.

SPEAKER_03 (23:16):
And uh this is what is so silly about the whole
thing.
So Miscavige thinks, or Hubbardoriginally originated this, that
once people find this and in insome distant future,
post-apocalyptic future, yeah,just just finding it will reboot
Scientology, right?
I mean, that's the idea.
But let me ask you this theEgyptian tombs went undiscovered

(23:38):
for thousands of years, and whenwe find found them, there wasn't
some reboot of Egyptianreligion.

SPEAKER_01 (23:43):
Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_03 (23:44):
It was just like it was like, oh, look at that.
Isn't that interesting?
Yeah.
So I always imagined that theywould excavate these things and
they would be at the Museum ofNatural History.
There would be like the Hall ofOddities.
And and you know, like schoolchildren would go in there and
just go, like, what were thesepeople thinking?

unknown (24:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (24:14):
Totally and they put their shit on on etched plates
and you know, and put it in anuke-proof vault.
Crazy.
But I gotta tell you something.
So Miscavige was on a kamikazerun at Scientology Media
Productions to makedocumentaries about these
things.
And his whole rallying cry waswhen they see how much trouble

(24:34):
we went through to do this,they're gonna know we're not a
cult, we're the real thing.
And I'm sitting there becausethis was like, I'm kind of like,
by that point, yeah, I'm like,just just make as much money as
I can and get the hell out.
That didn't work, but that wasthe idea.
Yeah.
Um it I and I remember thinking,no, they're gonna think that

(24:55):
we're a doomsday cult.
That's what they're gonna think.
They're gonna think you'repreparing for the worst possible
catastrophe that could everhappen.
So anyway, yeah, it's crazy.
And if anybody wants to seethat, that just go on to the
Scientology, uh, Scientology.tv,I think it is.
They they don't do IP addresses,they don't contact people.
It's just it's you know, andit's just don't log in, don't

(25:19):
open an account.
You can watch these videos, andI'm amazed that more people
don't watch them.
Yeah, uh because they're they'rethey're more grist for content
than standing out front of anorg and berating staff members.

SPEAKER_00 (25:33):
Well, yeah, I mean they they are documenting the
crazy of what they're doing.
Yeah, and that's another point.
If you if you stumbled uponthese things, like let's just
say in the future you stumbledon these things, no matter when
it is, and there's a bunch ofrecords of some old fuddy duddy
telling weird stories andspeaking gibberish on gold

(25:53):
records, it's gonna be like,what did these people like?
They really thought some 1960stechnology level stuff was gonna
be useful in the in you know ahundred years or two hundred or
three hundred years from now.

SPEAKER_03 (26:07):
Yeah, it's bizarre.

SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
Yeah, um of the other things that um we talked
about were the birthingbuildings.
They built these buildings atthe international headquarters
for like I want to say it was1,600 people.
So the each they had fourbuildings that would hit that
would hold 400 uh Sea Orgmembers each, house them.
And um, and because theyoutboarded and offloaded all of

(26:32):
these functions to all of theseother facilities, there was uh a
few hundred people left at theproperty.
And and and I don't remember whoI heard this from.
It I know it was somebody wholeft from the international
headquarters.
I don't think they ever spokeout publicly, but they said that
the entire property was in onebuilding.

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Like everybody lived in one mainbuilding, and then they had the
people that were part of thehole or the like the outcast
people in trouble, they had allof those people in their own
building.
Were you there when that washappening?

SPEAKER_03 (27:06):
Well, that's consistent with what I saw, but
I wasn't like I didn't knowabout the whole mark until after
I left.
I mean, I have to do I gotta domy own reckoning with that
because I would walk by uh thatthree times a week on my way to
the music studio.

SPEAKER_00 (27:22):
I was gonna say it's right at it's right next to
music.

SPEAKER_03 (27:25):
Yeah, you can't miss it.
I mean, and so I was literallythat video that you guys uh did
the reaction to, which you know,I've also I think you linked to
mine.
Uh yeah.
Um so you know, I was like doingmy amends project by doing this
thing, but we were literallyshooting in this in the in the
part of the music studio, uh,which is like what 20 yards from

(27:47):
the hole?

SPEAKER_01 (27:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (27:48):
And it's all about you know how we're saving human
rights for the world.
It's crazy.
I mean, most of that video wasshot within a hundred yards of
all of you guys in prison.
I didn't really know about it.
So you know, here's how I sortof found out.
I I I knew something was upbecause a lot of people
disappeared.
And and it, you know, and it'syeah, and like I'm not gonna

(28:09):
you, you know, you're not gonnaask questions.

SPEAKER_00 (28:11):
Yeah, that's that's a that's a sure way to get
yourself in trouble by beingnosy and asking, like, hey, what
happened to Body Blah?
It's like, hey, you don't havethe rank to be asking about Body
Black.

SPEAKER_03 (28:22):
Yeah, and I wasn't trying to stay out of trouble,
but I had a job to do and acheck to collect every week, and
a lot of people depending on me.
Uh, and some of those peoplewere having a an improved
quality of life by working infilm.
Yeah, because they it was just abetter, you know, it was a
better gig there than a lot ofother gigs, right?

SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
If you were yeah, and that's true.
Over the years, I remember Ididn't really even think about
that.
Over the years, when we were inthe cinematography department or
the events or whatever, yeah,there was a lot of times where
we would get the people that gotkicked out of Religious
Technology Center or got kickedout of the executive strata or
CMO in the Commodore's MessengerOrganization International, they

(29:06):
would get kicked out of thatorganization and then they'd
have to come and work in thecinematography.
That's where Kevin McHenry camefrom.
The the he was the chief gripand then a video producer.
That's right, Amber O'Sullivan,Claire's cousin.
Oh, and Val and Val Haney, allof these people loved working in
Cine compared to that other job.

(29:28):
They were it was basically likethey got a reprieve, they got a
vacation from the insanitymostly in set.

SPEAKER_03 (29:34):
So they're painting all day long, yeah, or they're
in the shop building stuff, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (29:38):
Not getting yelled at by anybody.

SPEAKER_03 (29:40):
No, no.
And some of them were permanent,like you know, Val and Amber,
that they just got transferred.
Some of them it was justpunitive, like you'd see you'd
see like, oh Angie Blankenship,uh Jenny Linson.

SPEAKER_00 (29:54):
They'd come down and clean out paint buckets.
I remember when we were in Cine,um, they came.
To set, he told us in a meeting.
He said, Hey, I'm going to sendyou some people uh down to Cine.
And then when they got there, itwas the Angie Blankenship and
Jenny Lynch.
And I was like, Oh my God.
They were working directly forDavid Miscavige on a personal
project the week before.

(30:15):
And now they're he's like, givethese guys the worst job
possible.
And I said, You guys are gonnaclean out all the Jesus butt
buckets in the paint shop.
And they were like, Jesusbuckets.
And I go, Yeah, it's all thesepaint buckets.
We get recycled paint and we mixpaints and we just put them in
the five-gallon bucket, and wemight not pull it out for five
years.
And they go, Well, why do youcall them Jesus buckets?
I'm like, open that one up, andyou open it up and you're like,

(30:37):
Oh, Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 (30:39):
Yeah, but I'll I'll tell you, so one of the ways
that I found out, or sort ofthere was a big change when
people were let out of the hole.
You remember when we first met,um myself and some of the other
quote-unquote pros of people weweren't, you know, we were NSO,
non-C org, we were doing a job.
Most of us were Scientologists,occasionally there's somebody

(31:00):
who wasn't.
And we used to eat in this placecalled the Tavern, right?

SPEAKER_00 (31:03):
Yes, and it had like a Knights the Round Table in it,
and uh it even had a it had asword in the stone as you walked
into this little tavern.

SPEAKER_03 (31:12):
It was all fiberglass, cheap, cheap, like
just like Kmart quality stuff.
But and and and you may notremember, but you know, I was
rarely exactly on time to theset.
I was always at least fiveminutes late.
And then you you I remember.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I was being polite and so youmay not remember.
I was giving you an out, Mark.

(31:34):
Thanks for not taking it.
Yeah, you may remember that youyou your nickname for me was Sir
Lay a lot because I SirLaidolot, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (31:42):
Well, because you were coming from the Knights of
the Round, too.
I was like, can you tell SirLaid a lot?
Sir Lot we need, we're ready toshoot.

SPEAKER_03 (31:49):
Yeah, that was my favorite.
Yeah, hold on, that's not fair.
So, but anyway, uh there was aperiod where a miscavage, uh a
couple years after you guysescaped, there was a period
where he was like, All of theseguys, these pros, we gotta start
cheating them like staffmembers.
So they moved us all back intothe main dining room, right?

SPEAKER_00 (32:13):
Massacre Canyon in MCI.

SPEAKER_03 (32:14):
Yeah, and we were at a little table close to the exit
and blah, blah, blah.
And, you know, uh, for the staffthere, lunch was a pretty
exciting, or a meal was a prettyexciting thing because it's like
you get in there, you eat, youmight only have five minutes
depending on the distance youhad to walk or uh what pre other

(32:35):
pressures were on you.
And then, you know, everybody'drun outside uh first the smokers
and they'd huddle up and thenthey would do their muster.
But those of us who weren'trequired to go to muster and so
forth, we could then continueour meal until everybody was
done, right?
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (32:51):
Because they would muster right outside the dining
hall, so you can see everybodylined up out there.
Yeah, and you know, that's afunny thing you mentioned that
because there is a C org policythat states from L.
Ron Hubbard that you cannot givesomebody an order at the dinner
table.
So the dinner table is a safezone because you're not allowed
to receive orders or be yelledat or anything when you're at a

(33:13):
meal.
So it's sort of like you get ayou get a pause from the
insanity for 15 or 20 minutes.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (33:22):
Yeah.
So um I noticed, so when wewould leave, there would be that
everybody's going back to work,right?
But then one day there was likea hundred people as we were on
our way out being marched intothe dining room by security.
Like every security guard.
And I'm like, wait, I know abunch of these people.

(33:44):
There's like, you know, GaryWeesey and all these other
people, and they're just looklike beaten dogs, they're just
downtrodden and deflated, andthey're being literally like
frog marched, you know, into thedining room.
Because I and that is the point,I believe, at which they move
them out of the hole, move theminto the one birthing building,

(34:06):
and then let them eat in thedining room after everybody else
had eaten.

SPEAKER_00 (34:11):
Well, that I was gonna say that that so what
happens is there is two mainmeals for many years that you
would have the gold crew wouldeat on the first shift.
So, like if they ate at noon andthey had mustard at 12:30, from
12:30 to one o'clock, thestewards and the the galley
personnel, the food servicepersonnel, they would switch
over the dining room for thenext meal break.

(34:33):
And a lot of times, if peoplewere in trouble or people
weren't supposed to meet with,they weren't supposed to mingle
with the general crew that ateat 12 or at one, they would have
them eat during that changeoverperiod so that they would never
see any of the other crew on theproperty because they didn't
want, they didn't want them tosee their spouses or their

(34:54):
friends, or they wanted to keepthem segregated from everybody
else because of the truck.

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
They were on parade at the end of the meal when
everybody after muster andeverybody was leaving.
These guys were just paraded in.
And I was just like, and I wouldwalk right by them to my car
because they would get me downthrough that parking lot from
across the street, and it wasjust like, you know, do I wave
to people I know?
It's really awkward anduncomfortable.

SPEAKER_00 (35:19):
And then they you don't wave if you the the proper
the proper uh vernacular is saynothing.

SPEAKER_03 (35:27):
Yeah, procedure.

SPEAKER_00 (35:28):
Like pretend that you're like you can spit on them
and you would be like, Oh, lookat Mitch, he knows what's up.

SPEAKER_03 (35:34):
Yeah, he's keeping their ethics in.
Well, I meant like spit on theground, you know, as discussion.
There actually were a couple ofthem I would have spit at, even
if they'd never been in thehall, but anyway.
Um I'm not a spitter.

SPEAKER_00 (35:48):
One of the other people that you mentioned was
there was a there was a womanthat worked there um in the
cinematography department.
Her name was Lisa Schroer.
And Lisa, when I worked in thecinematography department, when
I was the shoe crew chief on thefilm crew that you had headed,
right?
Um, she was the director'sassistant.
Yeah.
And then over the years.

(36:10):
Yeah, she was d the director,Mitch's director.
Yeah.
Um, and then she became thecinematography division head.
She became the head of the cinedivision, the cinematography
division.
And then she be, and I duringthat time I was the
pre-production director.
So she was my boss.
That was the first time she wasactually my boss legitimately.
But then she became the producerof Golden Era Productions, and

(36:35):
then I became the assistantproducer, and then she became
the commanding officer of GoldenPro Golden Air Productions, and
then I became the producer.
So she was my boss for many,many years.
And you said that she ended upworking in the laundry building
at the birthing building.

SPEAKER_03 (36:52):
Yeah, so when everybody got let out of the
hole, and I still didn't knowabout it because I didn't know
the specifics until I left.

SPEAKER_00 (36:58):
Just when people just started to show back up.

SPEAKER_03 (37:00):
Yeah, they just started to show back up on a
regular basis, and I knew thatthey were all that line of
people that I would see marchingbeing marched to meals, I knew
they were in some kind ofgod-awful trouble.
Because I'd been there for 25years, I'd never seen anything
like that.
This kind of en masse, you know,I've seen a person or two, or
maybe three, like marched off byethics people, but not like a

(37:21):
hundred people.
It was insane.
And so, you know, some of them,Lisa and I had had uh, I mean,
when she was my assistant, shemanaged to photobomb the birth
of both of my kids.
I mean, uh, you know, in theseprecious family photos, I have
this Lisa Short, you know, likeit's like I've had to go through

(37:44):
and like Photoshop.
I it was just because she wouldgo right a get permission to
like, oh, we're gonna bring somebaby gifts to Mitch.
And you know, you know, DaveMiscavige was all, yeah, that's
great.
You know, because it's to lovebomb him, keep him love bombed,
you know.

SPEAKER_00 (37:58):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (37:59):
Uh so yeah, so I remember I have a picture.

SPEAKER_00 (38:04):
We were shooting um a trailer, it was a game show
trailer for one of the films.

SPEAKER_03 (38:09):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:10):
And um your wife and at least one of your children
came to the set, and I actuallythink I have a picture of me
carrying around one of your kidson my shoulder.
And you I remember your wife atthe time, she gave me a whole
bunch.
She gave me a ration because Iwas riling him up.
I was like, hey, come on overhere, let's go do this.

(38:32):
And she was like, You're justyou're just making him, you're
just winding him up that forwhat I'm gonna have to deal with
later.
You're gonna, he's gonna, we'regonna be like, we're shooting
everybody out, and then I gottadeal with this kid that you've
been playing around with for twoyeah.

SPEAKER_03 (38:46):
Well, that's why my kids have very fond memories of
you, and that is about so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:51):
I was I I loved to have it when your kids came.
I was like, let's let's party.
Come on, kids.
What do we got?
Yeah, because you were sort of,you know, David Miscavige um had
a high opinion of you, and whenwe were doing good, um, and when
you were doing good, then if wekind of were hanging out with
you or doing something with you,then it would be like, Yeah, we

(39:13):
have a little bit of air coverif we're with you.

SPEAKER_03 (39:15):
Yeah, that that was I but you know that was like
that's a whole nother story, butit's kind of part of the trap of
my being there because you knowlove bomb.
Yeah, but it's like there weresome people, you, Claire, Mike,
there were people that I reallygenuinely liked and had trouble
rationalizing what would happenif I let them, and plenty of

(39:35):
others, yeah, you know, but andthere was a lot of people that I
wouldn't want across the streetto you know pee on if they were
on the air.
But uh so yeah, yeah, fun times,fun time.
So yeah, Lisa, I I mean she shebecame my assistant pretty soon.
Uh it was I was in my office oneday, and uh Greg Wilher, who was
a big muckety mug.

SPEAKER_00 (39:57):
He's the one who set up the he was in charge of many
of the Tom Cruise girlfriend anddivorce projects.

SPEAKER_03 (40:03):
Yeah, oh yeah.
And and then he popped in my inthe office one day because there
was a lot of attention on youknow making sure that I wasn't
messed with and that you know Icould do my job.
And you know, Jackson and I havelaughed about he was like, Yeah,
I was in charge of making surethat and the crew was all before
you showed up, um we workedbefore we worked together, the
crew was all yes, sir, no, sir,Mr.

(40:23):
Brisker.
And I was like, what the fuck?
And I had to kind of reprogramthem to kind of you know have uh
redefined our relationship.
But I had a Jackson and a coupleof other people say, Oh no, no,
no.
That was like we were lined upand told, no small talk, no
personal talk.
Yes, Mr.
Brisker.
And for me, it was like, whatthe hell is going on?

(40:46):
I mean, that would that redflag, you know, I should have
paid more attention, Mark.

SPEAKER_00 (40:51):
Yeah, it's all good.
It is what it is.
Hindsight's 2020.
You know, I don't know if youknow this or not, but um you
used to have a software companyand you um you were really
amazing at um programming Excel,Microsoft Excel documents.
Yeah, and you taught me a fewlittle things on how to do an

(41:14):
Excel.
And I tell you, I am a masterExcel programmer these days.
I have all software spreadsheetsthat I use for bid bidding
projects and designing and andhardware lists and IP automation
lists, and I use it, I use allthat Excel stuff to this day.

SPEAKER_03 (41:32):
Yeah, I I don't do that so much anymore.
I know I know, but uh yeah, butyeah, there was I was actually I
created a piece of software forcommercial production and I was
actually part of the MicrosoftDevelopers whatever thing.
I was in there, but whatever.
Yeah, that was fun, and and alsobecause there's so much downtime
on the set, I used to sit thereon a laptop and literally write,

(41:53):
you know, visual basic code andshit, and it was like whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (41:56):
Good memories.
Yeah.
Um okay, so what are some of theother people that you talked
about?
We got Lisa, so she was in, sobut she basically was working in
the in the laundry building.

SPEAKER_03 (42:05):
She was in dry cleaning?
Yeah, I ran into her one day,uh-huh, which was weird because
I hadn't seen her in a couple ofyears, and and there was no
catch-up, no like, no, nothing.
Just from right now at thismoment, it was like, hi, how are
you doing?
Great to see you.
Like she's saying this to me.
Um Hey, I'm working in thelaundry building now as a

(42:29):
seamstress, so like if you everneed any buttons or mending,
this is the woman she was incharge of all of Golden Era
Productions for many, manyyears.

SPEAKER_00 (42:38):
And the one commanding opposite, yeah, and
one of David Miscavige'shenchwomen.
Like she would deal out thepunishments and the and the and
the horrible things that DavidMiscavige was directing, and she
would do it happily and zestwith zest.
And that's what she was sort offamous for in the end when she

(43:00):
was the commanding officer.
Yeah, she would get stuff donebecause she would she would have
a reign of terror over people tomake sure that whatever David
Miscavige wanted, it got done init within Golden Era Productions
and sort of outside on theevents and other things as well.

SPEAKER_03 (43:16):
Yeah, I mean, but her ascension into being, you
know, uh like uh lady of theflies, because I she couldn't be
Lord of the Flies, but herascension into that really
started when she became thecommanding officer.
Yes.
And Miscavige took her under hiswing.
Yes, and they had like dailytutoring sessions.

SPEAKER_00 (43:35):
Yeah, you're exactly right.
I remember them.
I was there when all this washappening, and it was it was it
was kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (43:42):
Yeah, she became a really horrible person.
Same thing with Henning Bendorf.

SPEAKER_00 (43:47):
Yeah, Henning, really sweet kid.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (43:51):
I took him under my wing when his senior hopped the
fence and he was an artdirector, and I was like, dude,
we have all these films to getdone, and you're gonna help me
do it.
And over time he ascended tobeing the same position that I
had, except over design.

SPEAKER_01 (44:07):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (44:08):
And he liked the stories I heard about him, was
like, Are you fucking kidding?

SPEAKER_00 (44:12):
Like Yeah, it got to be a point where the people that
David Miscavige held close tohim and that were sort of
propped up by being connected tohim were carbon copies as much
as they could be of him.
He he molded them in his in hisimage.
And um yeah, that's kind of wildthough, to controlling this

(44:35):
massive 300-person organizationto sewing buttons after a
two-year sort of you know,reprogramming or whatever,
because it would have taken alot for her to be able to go
back into the gener Gem Pop atGolden Air Productions and to go
back as a as a seamstress in thelaundry building.
That's a that's a long fall.

(44:56):
You can't fall much further.

SPEAKER_03 (44:58):
Yeah, I but I think it was made somewhat easier by
the fact that Miss Gabbage wasgone.

SPEAKER_00 (45:02):
Well, sure.
I mean it's a vacation now.
You're sewing buttons andwashing stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (45:08):
Yeah, and you're eating the same food as
everybody else, and you'resleeping in the same quality
room and bed and everything.
So it's like whatever.
I'm sure she was relieved.
Yeah, you know, in some way.
Um I'm sure she was sure.

SPEAKER_00 (45:20):
I mean, uh there were times where people would
welcome getting taken off postand becoming in uh a lawn mower.
Or yeah, in the grounds wasbasically the grounds
department.
If you ended up in the groundsdepartment, you were set because
you're gonna get tan, becauseyou're outside all day picking
weeds or mowing lawns, you'regonna get some exercise, you're

(45:42):
gonna get tan, and there's noone gonna be yelling at you out
in the middle of the west sideuh lawns where no one ever goes.

SPEAKER_03 (45:52):
Um the other riding around, you're riding around all
day on one of them big ass oldtractor, Toro, Toro.

SPEAKER_00 (45:59):
It was like an X-Wing fighter lawn mower.
You would drive out there andthe the sides would fold out and
it'd become like a 20-foot widemower and just knocked over
something.
Um anyway, but um who are someof the other people that you had
had mentioned in there that Idon't have my notes in front of
me, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_03 (46:16):
I was only uh it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 (46:18):
The other thing that you had talked about was they
moved a lot of the uh obviouslythey moved like the video
production and the editing andwell, not all of it.
No, but the but for thesepromotional videos or sector
videos in Los Angeles.
The direct TV and these thingsthat they're putting out to the

(46:38):
world.

SPEAKER_03 (46:39):
Yeah, absolutely.
Uh um, so it kind of broke therewas there was a huge amount of
chaos at first because nobodyknew which org which uh entity
uh Scientology Media Productionsor Goldener Productions or what
they were gonna produce.
Everybody knew the events whichyou used to produce.
Yeah, those events were gonna beat Scientology Media

(47:01):
Productions.

SPEAKER_01 (47:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (47:02):
Because if you remember, you know, uh Hubbard
set up Goldener Productions tobe a film studio to make these
training films, that was itsonly purpose.
Yeah, and then Miscavige layeredand the chaos there stemmed from
that they had not a clue how todo that.
Yes, so there was all thischaos, and then on top of that,

(47:23):
and then that's why I had such ayou know, I don't know how to
call it, but a it was a veryeventful when I went there
because then that chaos stoppedbecause it was like, oh, we know
how to make films now, right?

SPEAKER_00 (47:34):
Well, so to be fair, what happened was L.
Ron Hubbard used to be thedirector when he first wrote
these films, he himself was thedirector, and uh David Miscavige
was his cameraman, yeah, andMark Yeager, who became the
commanding officer of CMOInternational, he was the video

(47:55):
IC.
And so all of these peopleNorman Starkey was their
producer.
That's right.
Norman Starkey was like the thefilm producer, and what happened
was Elr El Ron Hubbard, hetrained these guys how to shoot
films as they were shootingfilms.
Yeah and Hubbard he knew a lotabout stuff, but he would just

(48:15):
get books, he would tellsomebody, get me all the books
on this, and then that's how heknew what he knew, but he was
not a professional in any shapeor form.
And so what had happened was hedeemed himself the the ultimate
professional film uh director,and then he he wrote up all the
policies and all the proceduresfor makeup and props and

(48:38):
costumes and sets and all theseaudio and post recording and
mixing, even though he reallywasn't that good at any of those
things.
And so the only thing that thosepeople knew besides whatever
textbooks were recommended fortheir post or their title or
their job was what Hubbard haddictated.
And a lot of this was from the70s and the tech from the 70s,

(49:01):
and so it was basically likepeople were people were learning
how to do their jobs fromsomebody who wasn't really that
good at doing their jobs, and sowhen you came in, you actually
were a director and you knew alot about these different uh
parts of film production, so weactually got a little bit of

(49:24):
real world skills from you,yeah, and you would also tell
us, I want this, I want this tobe like this.
There's a video or there's afilm that you can watch that has
what I like in it.
And then so we we got to watchmovies because Mitch said, Oh,
you got to watch usual suspects,or you gotta watch this, or and

(49:45):
so we'd watch those things andthen we'd be like, Oh, we know
what to do now because you justshowed us a you gave us a
blueprint of what it needed tobe like.
Yeah, and so no one had donethat.
Like, for instance, the moviesthat Hubbard recommended for us
to watch to learn how to shootwere 200, I might add, 200
movies, yeah.
But they were like, what wasthat one with um the running

(50:08):
spring about the girl that goesand she gets uh hit with the
rock and there's a bit of a asituation?
It's got oh my god, I it's Ithink it's called it's a it's an
old, very old black and whitemovie.
I thought it was called RunningSpring or something Spring.
But there were but other videoswere like Star Wars, the
original Star Wars.

SPEAKER_03 (50:29):
Star Wars wasn't on there because he was he never
would put Star Wars on therebecause he was when Star Wars
came out, Hubbard lost his mind.
No, because he was like, wait aminute, I'm I've been claiming
that I invented space opera.
Like he was that's why he wrote,that's why he started writing
science fiction again.

SPEAKER_01 (50:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
Was because of that whole phenomenon.
I mean, he was like, wait aminute, this is my domain, blah,
blah, blah.
But uh, Star Wars wasn't onthere, but interestingly enough,
uh, the science fiction film, uhGod, no, I can't think of the
name of it.
Running, running, uh, uh,running, uh Silent Running.

SPEAKER_00 (51:02):
Silent Running.
Yes, that was one of them.

SPEAKER_03 (51:05):
It's actually a pretty good film.
I mean, it has a cult film.
There was a bunch of films, uh,there was a bunch of decent
films on there, but like therewas weird stuff.
Like, you know, he was a big fanof Eisenstein, who was uh an
early Russian film director andtheoretician, and he had made
this film called uh 13 Days inOctober about the revolution.

(51:27):
And when it came time to compilethe list, the person who
compiled it, who actuallycompiled the films, grabbed a
documentary about the making ofthe film.
So everybody thought they'd likeseen this Eisenstein film, but
they'd actually seen thedocumentary about the making of
the film.
So there was a lot of crazythings on it.
But one of the things that Inoticed is like there was this

(51:50):
group of people there that werededicated, they were supposed to
be making films, and that theynever watched films.

SPEAKER_01 (51:55):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (51:56):
And I'm like, you need to consume some media.
So that's when that started.
I started recommending films.
And then um I on the weekends,do you remember?
Like, I I went to Qual, which istheir educational department,
their training department.

SPEAKER_01 (52:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (52:16):
And I said, These guys aren't watching enough
movies, they need to watch moremovies.
And they said, Okay, tell uswhich movies.
And then for a number of years,I would just give these uh
orders, and then the whole crewwould get pulled in, and instead
of on their study time, they'dget to watch movies.

SPEAKER_00 (52:31):
And I was absolutely doing it because it was like,
you know, it was just the rightthing to do to kind of so the
movie that I was thinking of iscalled The Virgin Spring, and it
has um Max von Sidau in it.

SPEAKER_03 (52:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That was uh Virgin Spring, yeah.
Yes, that was one of the videos.

SPEAKER_00 (52:51):
Yes, that was one of the videos.

SPEAKER_03 (52:53):
That's a really noted film, but the thing, you
know, without getting down arabbit hole about filmmaking,
the thing that was reallymissing.
I mean, look, the books hepicked were some of the top
books on any syllables syllabusat any good film school.

SPEAKER_00 (53:06):
Yeah, five C's to Ceminatography.

SPEAKER_03 (53:08):
And the you know, the the technique of film
editing and the horses lightingbooks.
These are like, you know, you ifif it's really easy to find
these books.
He wasn't some genius.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:18):
No, he literally, I know the woman, I spoke to the
woman.
He sent her to a bookstore inHollywood and said, Go get all
the books that are the mostrecommended and most studied
books.
She just went in and got themand brought them, and he was
like, sure, put those on thelist.

SPEAKER_03 (53:35):
Yeah, yeah.
Uh except for how to shoot amovie story, which I'm sure he
came up with himself, which wasbasically a book about how to
shoot your kid's birthday party.
So uh yeah, so that was prettygood.

SPEAKER_00 (53:47):
And and also I should note every single film
that L.
Ron Hubbard did shoot, I thinkwe reshot, except for one.

SPEAKER_03 (53:56):
Yeah, but then I reshot that after you escaped.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (53:58):
So his films were never uh they they're not they
don't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_03 (54:03):
Everybody knew they were horrible.
Yeah, Miss Gabbage eventuallyadmitted to me that he knew that
everybody knew they werehorrible, but you could never
say it.
But he didn't say it.

SPEAKER_00 (54:11):
Because L.

SPEAKER_03 (54:11):
Ron Hubbard shot them and it's like well, and
plus they're on your checksheet, right?
You do the the courseware inScientology is you get a check
sheet, you complete everythingon there, some of the things you
need a person to verify that youdid it, and then you're done
with it.
That's how it works.
And so there are these filmsthat are one of the other things
so you had to do the film, ithad information in it you needed

(54:34):
for your course, which wasentirely separate from whether
the film was a piece of shit ornot.
Yes.
So that that was eventually,yeah, they all got redone.

SPEAKER_00 (54:42):
One of the other things that I had mentioned is
uh Scientology has this thingwhere they're sort of a few
decades behind the thetechnology curve.
And we had built this big filmlab there because we were paying
millions and millions of dollarsa year to have film developed
and um sort of mastered and andreproduced in Los Angeles at a

(55:05):
company called Photochem, rightin Burbank.
And um, and so there would be wewould shoot a day's worth of
film, somebody would have togather up all that film, all the
cans, and then it'd have to gettaken to Los Angeles, get
developed, and then somebody'dhave to bring it back up once it
got developed, and then they'ddo dailies at the at the base.

(55:27):
And so it was always like weneed to build our own film lab,
we need to build our own filmlab.
And they did end up doing that,and but that even that large
facility was very, veryunderutilized compared to what
it was designed to originallydo.

SPEAKER_03 (55:43):
Well, yeah, I know it was let me just uh give you
my perception of my perspectiveon that thing.
It was utilized uh to themaximum that they could utilize
it.

SPEAKER_01 (55:55):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (55:56):
But if you build a film lab for developing a
printing motion picture film,it's gonna be able to it nobody
does that except as a commercialenterprise.

SPEAKER_02 (56:08):
Totally.

SPEAKER_03 (56:09):
They and then you can run a certain amount of
film, you can run it, run it,run it.
But all they ran through therewas their film.

SPEAKER_00 (56:16):
Yeah, and so you were basically it's a very chem,
uh it's a very highly technicalchemical process of developing
film.
And so if it would basically belike if you set up if you set up
a giant pizza factory and youjust use that to make pizzas
whenever you make pizzas.
Like, hey, I'm gonna make apizza tonight, and you've got a

(56:38):
two giant pizza ovens, and youput one pizza in there, yeah,
and then you're but you can'tjust turn on an oven, one of
these giant ovens for one pizza.
You want to cook a hundredpizzas in this thing.

SPEAKER_03 (56:50):
Yeah, but I mean, uh you know, here's here's a the
typical stupidity of thatorganization.
They set this thing up, sparedno expense, because you know,
Ms.
Gabbage has so much money.
He can throw money, he wants tothrow money at something.
Man, he's got the money to doit.
They spared no expense in that.
They contacted Kodak, theybrought an engineer out from

(57:11):
Kodak, right?

SPEAKER_00 (57:12):
I remember this.
We we had several actually.
But we had from Los Angeles,like the old school guys that
used to develop film at Photocamor one of these big labs in LA,
deluxe and all these differentplaces.
Yeah, they consulted and theytrained everybody on, okay, this
is how you got to do this.

SPEAKER_03 (57:31):
The guy from Kodak, uh um, he was like a Kodak
engineer, helped set it up.
So what they ended up with washere, I mean, the way that it
works, when you set up acommercial lab, you you're gonna
run it for profit, likeTechnicolor or Photocam or
whatever.
Uh, and and so Kodak, theypublished these specifications
that you can run for thetemperature and the speed.

(57:51):
Like if anybody's ever doneblack and white photography, you
can vary the the temperature ofthe chemicals.
Yeah.
You can vary the amount of timethat it's in being developed.
And those are the two variables.
So if you're running itcommercially, you're gonna run
the film uh through the theprocessors as fast as you can
with the chemicals as hot as youcan.
Bull didn't need to do that.

(58:13):
They they could just run it atwhatever would get them the
maximum quality.
So they did this, and theyactually achieved 10% more
resolution than anybody inHollywood.
But did they brag about this?
Did they did they do anything?
Like Kodak showed up.
Listen, Mark, Kodak showed upand said, You are now a beta

(58:33):
testing site for all of ourmotion picture stocks.
This is there's maybe 10 peoplein the world, and they're all
Oscar-winning cinematographerswho are beta testers.

SPEAKER_01 (58:43):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (58:43):
For a short period of time, gold was a beta tester
for Kodak motion picture film,and they never exploded it.
They never did anything with itbecause they were too busy just
creating all this chaos and thisweirdness.
So they they the some of youknow the like they should have.
I I thought they should haveexploited that.
You know, when I was in and Iwas part of that whole thing.

(59:04):
I thought, yeah, this is likeamazing.
Why don't you tell people aboutthis out there?

SPEAKER_00 (59:07):
I remember that when there we would, I don't think we
a lot of times we would have thefilm misdeveloped at Photocam.
I think that was a very far fewbetween.

SPEAKER_03 (59:18):
There were quality issues.

SPEAKER_00 (59:19):
Yeah, there were quality issues, but it wasn't
like it was ruined completely alot of times.
But then they also did answerprints and and color prints.
They did a lot of other colorseparations and all kinds of
other things in LA.
But um, but I remember if the ifthe people in the film lab, they
didn't change like these dustmats on the floor that when you

(59:43):
step on, it it would suck thedirt off your face.
But it they had a recording thatwould play every 15 or 20
minutes or hour in the film lab,and it would literally tell them
change the mats.
And they would somebody wouldhave to go around and peel up
one layer of these.
These taped mats.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:01):
You know, I it's I mean, I everybody in there, they
wore these nylon bunny suits,right?
And they wear little booties ontheir shoes and they go through
all kinds of cleaning things.
It's like they out NASA NASA.
Yeah.
And I never spent much time inthere.
Maybe walk in and walk out.
And then I I worked on the uhthe confidential films, you

(01:00:23):
know, the OT films, which thoseare the films that need to leak
because that would destroyScientology forever.
I mean, if anybody saw thesefilms that Hubbard made at Sa in
England back in the 60s, theywould be like, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:36):
This is where he talks about Zenu and the body
thetans and space opera.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:41):
He makes like a 15-foot-long model of the
reactive mine out of clay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:46):
Yes.
Oh, that's right.
It's on all the tables and he'sgoing around.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:50):
And he's like, this is a reactive mine.
It's so crazy.
So I had to go in there becausebelieve it or not, there was
hardly anybody at that entirebase who had done enough
Scientology that they'd beallowed to look at those films.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:03):
Yeah.
There wasn't, I I you know it'sfunny.
On the film crew, I think we hadone person that was OT level
five, and that was Paul Sarkney,the the guy who did the the
video.
But in you, but yeah, but nobodyelse on that crew was uh was
mostly like any Scientologyprocessing.

(01:01:25):
We were all like green wings.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:26):
And mentally they're better off for it because it's
oh yeah, it's a lot to fuckingunpack.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:31):
It's a lot of nonsense.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:34):
Yeah, they're lucky.
They they're less but well, I soI had to go in there for like
eight hours a day, put on abunny suit for about a week and
inspect these films, right?
Yeah.
They wanted to kind of make themlook like they weren't.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:47):
When you say inspect, are you talking like
frame by frame?

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:50):
No, no, no.
Why just watch them?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:52):
Okay, just watch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:52):
Watch them stop it, make a note, watch it, make a
note.
But I gotta tell you, that beingin that environment and wearing
one of those suits and workingin there, it is hell.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:03):
Oh, yeah, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:04):
What they put the staff through.
And the thing is, the normalprocedures for keeping a film
lab clean.
You can show up in Bermudashirts and a t-shirt and a few
flops.
Like it's all completelyunnecessary.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:19):
Yeah, the guy I remember there was a guy there
that came from some lab orwhatever, and he was like, You
guys are really going over thetop.
He's like, and I said, Well,what do you guys do?
He goes, We make everybody weara hairnet.
That's it.

SPEAKER_02 (01:02:33):
Hair net.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:33):
And you know, wash your hands before you come in.
You know, like that's it.
Nothing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:37):
Yeah, I think it's probably probably you're talking
about there was uh one of thegreatest film uh uh what do you
call it when you restorationexperts.
Yes, he was the guy that hisname was uh Paul Ratan, I think.
He yeah, he he uh he he taughtus how to do black and white
film.
Yeah, and because we decided toshoot, we wanted to shoot a film

(01:02:59):
in black and white, yeah, whichwas a lot of fun.
But he he had restored the HardDay's Night and some other
really famous films.
Yeah, he he thought we werelike, but you know, it they're
being paid, so they're whatever.
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:12):
They're like, I don't care.
You guys are paying me$10,000 totell you how to do this.
Yeah, I'm not gonna tell you youdon't have to wear that stuff,
but you don't.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:20):
Yeah, but they they I mean the lab when I left, and
uh the last time I was up therewas in March 2020.
Uh the lab, you know, they theystill shoot the they reshoot the
technical training films.
That's just an ongoing project.
They will just always reshootthem forever.
And I thought they were shootingthat on digital.
They weren't they weren'tshooting them on film.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:38):
Oh, so the main film crew never switched over to the
airy digital stuff.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:42):
They did, but not for tech films.
Oh everything else they shoot,they shoot on an Air Force.
I get it, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:48):
I think in one of those things, one of those
videos or something, I saw theywere using an Aerie Digital.
Yeah, and I was like, oh, didthey switch to digital?

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:57):
But I guess Well, there's there's uh in the video,
the the the gold video, there'sa quick little scene of the crew
reshooting.
I mean, I always got out offrame when they shot that stuff
because I'm like, it's justgonna look weird, guys.
I'm not in uniform.
So I'm not in any of thatfootage.
But there's a shot of the crewreshooting the professional TRS
training.
That's right.

(01:04:18):
And that's the you know, the uhARI 535 or whatever the pre the
Yeah, no, they no, they I meanthere's the Airy stopped with
the 535.
They didn't really advance it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:29):
But they were using some AI film camera.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:30):
Yeah, yeah, 535, yeah, which is an amazing
camera.
I still remember the day theygave uh when that camera came
out, the first big film it wasuh uh Bram Stoker's Dracula, the
Copeland Dracula, and they didall kinds of it was an amazing
camera, it still is an amazing35mm film camera, but uh they
gave this 15-year-old girl, Kim.

(01:04:54):
You remember Kim?
Yeah, she was like the clappergirl.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:56):
Yep, here's your camera.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:58):
They gave her a check for$350,000.
And they said, this guy's gonnadrive you to Burback and you're
gonna pick up this camera.
And I think to this day, thepeople at Aerie, because they
just lease cameras to studios,yeah.
No one's buying.
Nobody buys.
Yeah, I think they still talkabout the day that the little
girl showed up from Scientologywith a check for three.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:18):
I gotta tell you this.
Uh we'll we'll end on this.
But um, when I left uh GoldenAir Productions and the C
organization in Scientology in2005, um, I ended up working
back in Los Angeles in theaudiovisual uh systems area.
And I used to go to a place inBurbank, uh, it was electronics

(01:05:40):
supply place.
I think it was called UnitedElectronics or I can't remember
the name of it, but Golden AirProductions used that place for
you know resistors andpotentiometers and stuff like
that.
I was in there one day and I wasbuying some equipment for a
project, and I hear this guy onthe phone.
The the guys that take the salesorders are kind of at the front

(01:06:00):
desk.
If they're not helping somebody,they're on the phone with a
client and placing their orderor whatever at the desk.
And he goes, Yeah, I know lasttime you bought these, they were
this price, but that was eightyears ago when you bought them.
And the price has been updatedmany, many times over.
You can't just send us anotherPO that you sent us eight years

(01:06:21):
ago and expect everything to beexactly the same.
Anyways, going on for like 10 or15 minutes while I'm doing my
shopping in there.
And then he hangs up and I walkup to the counter, I go, Was
that Golden Air Productions?
He goes, How could you possiblyknow that?
I go, I used to work there for15 years.
Were you talking to me to Deniseor Stevie?
He goes, It was Stevie, and Iwas like, wild.

(01:06:43):
He goes, Yeah, they're redoingthat L.
Ron Hubbard music studio again.
And I was like, Yeah, they dothat every five or 10 years,
they redo it.
But but the industry, they theythe Scientology does a lot of
things and they buy they buythings and they rent things and
they and so everybody in the inLA and in Burbank, where a lot

(01:07:04):
of the film stuff is, that'swhere Cine Tools is or film
tools or wherever thesedifferent places you rent gear
from.
Yeah, they all kind of havethese awkward experiences and
relationships with Golden AirProductions because they're
like, yeah, they they don'torder anything for eight months,
and then they show up andthey're like, we need 7,000
rolls of black gaffer tape.
You know, it's just like it'sjust like what's going on there

(01:07:25):
that this happens.
Like they never know that theyneed to do something until like
right before they need to do it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:31):
Yeah, and then and then a hundred people get let
out of the hole in a order tomake some massive film, and then
all of a sudden these orders.
So yeah, I mean, we never got towe didn't talk about all the
stuff that moved to LA.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:42):
That was I think we should do another video about
that.
I like to try to keep the videosright about an hour, but I know
you haven't done any videos in along time, so I didn't want to
kind of like I didn't want toburn you out on this one.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:53):
I'm I'm good.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:54):
But anyway, we should do another one because
there's another building.
What what we'll do is we'll getClara, who does a lot of the
slide decks and stuff for ourchannel.
We'll see if we can round up umanything for the Sheila building
and the dissemination anddistribution center and any of
these other buildings that gotset up in LA.

(01:08:16):
And the and even the SMP thing.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:18):
And then um, there's lots of stuff out there.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:21):
Totally.
And we and it's it's just on theon the internet.
One last thing I wanted to sayis that Scientology with the all
these facilities, the blown forgood channel puts out more
content that gets more viewsthan all of these facilities
combined.
They have a TV channel on directTV, they have YouTube and they

(01:08:44):
have all these websites withvideos.
No one's watching any of this.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:48):
They don't have a lot of eyeballs.
They they really don't.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:51):
And the craziest thing that I've been finding out
over the past few years is thatall of the new AI models that
are coming out and beingdeveloped and and and being, you
know, they're adding, you know,100,000 GPUs and all that, those
things are training with thecontent that's getting watched
and and consumed on theinternet.

(01:09:11):
And Scientology's content is notgetting if AI is not learning
with their content, it'slearning with our content.
So if you go on to Grok or ChatGPT and you ask it about
Scientology, it's gonna tell youthe truth about Scientology.
It's not gonna tell youScientology's version of
Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Plus, I I'll I mean I haven'tdone it, but I'll bet you if you
went onto ChatGTP and you askedit, uh, can you give me a photo
of David Miscavige?
It would probably be a photo ofhim screaming or in court, or
yeah, or in court.
It wouldn't be like, you know,him on the stage, you know, in a
tuxedo delivering an event.

(01:09:51):
Yeah, it would be pretty ugly.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:53):
If if if anybody watching this is on X, you have
Grok, it just comes with an Xsubscription or whatever.
If you go and set Grok tounhinged mode and ask it about
David Miscavige and Tom Cruise,you will get a treat because it
will go off and it will tellyou.

(01:10:14):
It might even talk about some ofthe stuff we talked about in
today's video.
Yeah.
But um, it is it is insane whatthese AI models think about
Scientology.
But um, thank you, Mitch.
I appreciate you uh doing this.
And we'll uh you know, we weMitch and I were doing a series
probably got two years now, twoyears ago now, about all the

(01:10:34):
films we did.
I don't know how many films wegot through, but we do have, I
want to say we probably havelike six or seven more that we
never really did.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:44):
I mean, there's 26 of them.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:46):
That's true.
Maybe we we maybe we did likeanyway.
We'll make a list.
And if you want, I know I'vegotten a lot of requests from
people saying, I really lovedthat series that you used to do
with Mitch.
So we could finish that out ifwe uh if we kind of got our our
our shit together.
But um, I'll try to do that if Ican.

(01:11:06):
And um otherwise, we're gonnaput a link in the description to
Mitch's book, Mitch's YouTubechannel, um uh all that stuff so
you guys can uh and see whatMitch is up to.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:17):
And I should mention, even though I've been
um AWOL from YouTube, mostly I Iam planning on coming back and
doing some additional material.
Um not you know just as asneeded, as I feel that there's
something worth saying.
Totally.
I I do have a lot to fill inbetween 2020 and 20 uh 2020 and
2025 or whatever.

(01:11:39):
So 2020.
I was still interacting withthem till 2022.
They said they fired me in 2017,but it doesn't explain why I
have checks, payroll checks onthem until 2023.
Yeah, well they they say allkinds of things.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:55):
Yeah, I know.
I try to I try not to pay toomuch attention to what they say.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:00):
I didn't, I didn't.
It just made me laugh.
And you know, and you know, youknow, I know we're wrapping this
up, but you know, when somebodyuh escapes, uh we used to refer
to it as jump the fence, yeah,right, or hop the fence because
it's like you know, you need aeuphemism.
Yeah, like we're so-and-so Ididn't fence.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:18):
Yeah.
And and to be fair, we were wehad people that escaped while we
from our crew while we were onfilm shoots.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:26):
So like we were we were more transparent then.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:29):
Well, yeah, but we were out and about.
So like if we were in Hollywoodand doing a film shoot and
somebody wanted to hop the fencethere, that all they had to do
was just walk down the block anddisappear.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:40):
Yeah, no, we had, yeah, there was what if some of
them were good riddance, I doknow.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:45):
I was just gonna say, one of those people I know,
you were like, Yeah, see ya,wouldn't want to be you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:51):
Not coming back, great.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:53):
Perfect less for me to deal with.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:54):
Yeah, but you know, and then and then the stuff you
would hear, and there was noreason for it.
I said it's like the somebodywho helped uh me onboard
somebody from CMO, some woman,and when I first got there, and
she was uh she escaped a few,she literally left a few weeks
after that.
And then people just startedtelling me these stories about
her.
I didn't even ask what happenedto her.
Yeah, they just startedoriginating.

(01:13:16):
Oh, well, she you know, she wasinvolved in an incestuous
relationship and and all theit's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:22):
It's well that's their that's their people
magazine, is all the the youknow, David Miscavige really,
we've covered this in manyvideos, but he loves to sort of
craft narratives with people'scrimes that they they admitted
to or they're they're accusedof, even if they're innocent.
And he likes to sort of spreadthe gossip around so everybody

(01:13:47):
knows, oh, that guy was doingthis when he got home at night
and he was doing that.
And you know, it's just likeit's kind of weird.
He even does it about the themembers, the public members.
He'll be like, Oh, yeah, thisguy was sleeping with a sea or
member.
And you're like, Why are youtelling me this?
This is crazy.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:03):
Yeah, really not the the cut that stuff that comes up
anyway.
I could do I could do this.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:09):
I know that's why we could talk about we could uh you
know what I found though is alot of people that watch this
content, besides theScientologist, we have a lot of
Scientologists that watch thiscontent because they're not
allowed to know any of thesethings about any of these
facilities.
They're not they're secret to topublic members of Scientology,

(01:14:30):
not the the paying members, notthe Yeah, even though you can
look them up on Google, thereyou can't get within a hundred
feet, I mean a hundred yards ofthe place.
Yeah, but they but these peoplethey know they've heard whispers
and they know somebody who theirtheir sister's brother worked
there, or the cousin or friendor whatever, and then they go,

(01:14:50):
Oh yeah, I heard about thatplace.
And then we tell these thingsand they go, Oh, that's where my
kid works right now.
You know, they say they write usand they say, My son works at
that place you were talkingabout.
And so they just don't knowwhere it is because they're not
allowed to tell them.
But um, so there are people, Imean, these aren't this.
I don't, this is not one ofthose videos that's gonna get

(01:15:11):
700,000 downloads, but the 5,000people or the 10,000 people that
do watch it, there's a there's aseveral hundred of those are
Scientologists that are they'rejust like they're trying to get
answers because Scientologydoesn't tell them valuable
information, they just tell themthe information they want them
to have.
So some people really do likethese.

(01:15:32):
I I appreciate you jam jammingwith me to here today to do
this.
And um, we'll do it again soon.
I'm gonna see if I can uh if Iput this, I'm gonna see if I can
play an end uh an outro here.
So um thanks everybody forjoining.
Thank you, Mitch.

SPEAKER_03 (01:15:47):
Um great seeing everybody.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:49):
Yeah, good to see you.
And we'll put uh we'll put linklinks to all Mitch's uh stuff in
the uh description if you guyswant to check out Mitch's
channel and some of the contentthat he's done over our on uh on
is it Scientology Lies?

SPEAKER_03 (01:16:01):
The Big Lie.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:02):
The Big Lie.

unknown (01:16:03):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:04):
Um anyway, I appreciate it.
Until next time, guys.
Thanks for watching.
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(01:16:26):
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.css-14f5ked{margin:0;word-break:break-word;display:-webkit-box;-webkit-box-orient:vertical;box-orient:vertical;-webkit-line-clamp:2;overflow:hidden;}From Gold Base To LA: Mitch Brisker On Narconon, Vaults, And Control - Scientology Secrets #23