How Scientology Plants Its Seeds in Local Politics - Scientology Secrets #5

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Scientology infiltrates government by creating seemingly benign front groups and securing official proclamations that hide their connection to the controversial organization.

• Operation Snow White was Scientology's 1970s program to infiltrate government offices and remove damaging information about the organization
• 12 Scientology officials, including L. Ron Hubbard's wife, were imprisoned following FBI raids that uncovered their illegal activities
• After arrests, Scientology simply rebranded the Guardian's Office as the Office of Special Affairs without changing personnel or practices
• Modern Scientology uses front groups like The Way to Happiness, Narconon, and Dianetics to approach government officials without mentioning Scientology
• Brighton, Colorado mayor rescinded a Dianetics Day proclamation after learning it was connected to Scientology
• Scientology uses government proclamations both for external legitimacy and internal propaganda, showing them at events to convince members the organization is expanding
• Email campaigns to government officials deliberately avoid mentioning Scientology, focusing instead on mental health or community improvement
• Former Scientologists are developing resource kits for local officials to recognize and avoid unwitting endorsement of Scientology front groups
• Mother's Day is particularly difficult for former Scientologists whose families have disconnected from them under organization pressure

If you're facing disconnection or know someone trapped in Scientology, the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation has resources to help, including a dedicated law enforcement crisis line.

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Secrets.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yay, hello everybody, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Today is a special day because it's Mother's Day,
yes.
So happy Mother's Day to allthe mothers out here in America.
Somebody posted in the commentsthat Mother's Day is two months
ago in some place I think itwas England or something but
it's Mother's Day today inAmerica, so happy Mother's Day
to all the mothers out there.
Mother's Day is a kind oftricky.

(00:48):
It's kind of a tricky holidayin our family because Claire and
I haven't spoken to our motherssince about 2005 ish.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, so very, it's very bittersweet.
We were talking about this andso you know reaching out.
We just wanted to give a shoutout to anyone who's feeling the
pain on this day.
You know, bittersweet.
Bitter because we haven'tspoken to our mothers because of
Scientology.
Sweet because I wouldn't be amother if I hadn't escaped

(01:18):
Scientology.
So yeah, it's hard and it's sad, but it's also amazing, like
our youngest was so sweet thismorning.
He came in, gave me a hug, mademe my coffee, just how I love
it.
I'm like, oh my gosh, how sweetcan you get?
I was like Grayson, you're thebest.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, he's a good guy .
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Speaker 2 (01:50):
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I know the YouTube analyticstells us a lot of that stuff,
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I know the YouTube analyticstells us a lot of that stuff,
but we like to see, and whilewe're waiting for people to get

(02:11):
in here live, we usually waittill we have at least a hundred
or so people in here before wekind of get into the meat and
potatoes of the show.
So let's go through.
We'll just call out some ofthese people that are telling us
where they're coming from betsy.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Sue, just call me betsy.
Greetings from fort bragg,north carolina.
Thanks for joining us, betsy.
Um anita, happy mother's dayfrom the netherlands.
Good to see you, sherry.
Hello everyone from a hot andwindy minnesota.
Happy mother's day, manon.
Hello from the netherlands.
Happy mother's day.
There we go.

(02:45):
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Uh, a great thumbnail today.
Gotta love a marcabian force.
Marcabians are my homeboys.
Yep, you know mark and hisaliens.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
He just I, uh, I, when I was doing these, uh,
scientology secret thumbnailsfor the video today, I did use X
and I had Grok jam up somealiens and yeah, I'm just like,
give me some aliens doingsomething and it does it and I'm
like, great, that's ourthumbnail.

(03:17):
Yep, over at Scientology HQthey definitely do not like when
we talk about the aliens, sothat's mainly why we do it yeah,
tracy howdy from Wyoming.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Good to see you, tracy Trevenon.
Good evening from theNetherlands, awesome Winnow.
Greetings from Turin, italy.
Happy Mother's Day, awesome,nice.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
We've got a lot of people in here from all over the
place.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Oh, look've got a lot of people in here from all over
the place Awesome.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Oh look, Purple Groovy 69.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
Oh, wow, in a minute.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Hello everyone from St Louis City, Missouri.
Happy Mother's Day to all ofthe mothers around the world.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yes, oh, look at this , robert.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
Oh, Robert Love my Xenu is my homeboy shirt.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Awesome Looks great Robert.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Thanks for sharing that picture with us.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
We've got these new shirts in the Xenu, in the Xenu
merch store, in the Blown forGood merch store.
It's the Xenu and the BodyThetans.
It's their World Tour 2025,world Tour T-shirt and it's got
all the dates on the back here.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Yeah, let me just read that because it's awesome.
March 13th L Ron Hubbard'sbirthday, clearwater, florida.
May 9th Dianetics Day, whichwe're going to talk about today,
los Angeles, california.
June 6th the Freewinds maidenvoyage anniversary Aruba,
southern Caribbean.
October 11th IAS InternationalAssociation of Scientologists in
East Grinstead, england.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
And New Year's Day, hawaii, usa.
Yeah, for all you people whoknow the entire Zinu lore,
you'll get the Hawaii referenceat the end there.
Yes, Thank you, robert forpicking one of those up.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
It took me a minute actually.
I was like wait, hawaii, what?
And then I was like oh, okay,that's right, some deep deep,
deep undercover, deep undercover.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yep, absolutely yes, and for some reason I don't
think the women's version hasthe dates on the back.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I know I did a different version.
I'll add them.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, yeah, On the merch store, the women's one has
a BFG badge on the shoulder ofthe shirt but it doesn't have
the concert dates and I was likeyou can't have the world tour
shirt without the dates on theback.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I think that's true, that's fair, it's a little
sketch but it'll sketch I justsaw that you ordered yourself a
sample shirt and I was like waitwhat?
And so I rushed in there and II'm I forgot to cross-check my
work to order a sample, which iswhy my sample arrived before
yours.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yeah, joseph Brian Stanley says spoiler alert it's
volcanoes.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yep, there you go.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
See, yeah, so I think we got enough people in here
now.
Okay, so first of all we talkedabout the Mother's Day thing.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, but I did want to just add one comment to that.
Because there are so manypeople that we talk to who are
under the radar, and the mainreason that they are under the
radar is because ofscientology's leverage over them
, of disconnection yeah, let mejust say real quick.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
When she says under the radar, that is a reference.
There might be people here.
This is their first episode.
They don't know what under theradar is.
These are like we're nottalking about fighter pilots
folks.
We're talking aboutScientologists that are people
that are in Scientology or theirfamily is involved in
Scientology and they choose notto be.

(06:39):
They don't say anything, theydon't do anything.
They do know people that areex-Scientologists that they talk
to, and maybe there might be afew SPs sprinkled in there a
little bit into the mix, butthey don't want to cause any
troubles because if they do,they're going to get
disconnected from their family,their mother, their brother,
their sister, their father.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, which is a roll of the dice.
Sometimes, when you're forcedto disconnect from your family,
that can be the final breakingbreaking point that makes you
wake up and realize what anabusive and destructive cult
Scientology is.
I thought, oh, they might tryto make me disconnect from my

(07:23):
mom and dad.
In my mind I was like hell.
No, I am never disconnectingfrom my family.
So ironic that you know.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
They disconnected from you a few months later.
Yes, Like see ya.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
But that might have been the breaking point, but it
can.
You know there's just a lot ofvariables.
Scientology exerts so muchcoercive control over people
that you know and I understandsometimes family members don't
want to take that chance oflosing that connection with
their kids or their mom or youknow whatever it is.

(07:56):
And you know, and again so, toanyone who has lost your mom or
your daughter or your son todisconnection, you have our
deepest empathy.
And this is a huge part of whywe do what we do on this channel
to expose Scientology's abusivepractices, because nobody
should have to suffer throughlosing a family member in that

(08:18):
way.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, well, the other thing is that you have people
that are in Scientology, and notonly is it possible that
they'll lose their families ifthey basically say anything bad
about Scientology.
That's sort of the tippingpoint.
You can't say anything bad, andyou certainly can't do that
publicly, right, but if you dodo that, you can also lose your

(08:42):
job.
If you work at a Scientologyowned business or you might have
a ton, your whole friend groupmight be mixed up with
Scientology.
So so it's not just always thefamily thing, but the family
thing is definitely usually thelargest factor is the family,
then business, then friends,then you know whatever, then

(09:09):
business, then friends, then youknow whatever, excuse me, but
so yeah, so the other thing wewanted to talk about today cause
this is Scientology secrets.
So we like to tell the secretsthat Scientology has, that
they're not really lettingpeople out.
Now, the government being theUnited States government being
infiltrated by Scientology isnot a secret.
That's been happening for likedecades.
But the thing I wanted to tellyou guys is I wanted to tell you

(09:31):
kind of how they do it, andthen that'll lead up to this
story that happened with us thislast week here in Colorado.
So what Scientology does andthey learned this really early
on is they try to do thingsseparate from Scientology that

(09:53):
are good, and then they try tobasically co what do you want to
call it?
They try to co-op that bysaying that's us that we did
that Right, but they don't sayScientology when they that's us
that we did that Right, but theydon't say Scientology when they
say that.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
And they're not actually good.
They're just you know it's oneof those.
Don't judge a book by its covertype things you know like at
the cover, you go sure, yeah,it's a great idea to get people
off drugs, or it's a great ideato rehabilitate criminals, or
it's a great idea to help peoplelive with a better moral code.
You know, but just because it'scalled that doesn't mean it

(10:30):
actually does that or that it'shelpful.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah, so in the early days of Scientology it was
called, it was just Dianetics.
Hubbard wrote this book,dianetics, and came out in May
9th 1950.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, which many people probably don't realize
that in Scientology that'scalled book one.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Yeah, it's the foundation of all of Scientology
, is this book called Dianeticsthe modern science of mental
health, and even that taglinethat they use, dianetics, the
modern science of mental health.
It's not modern, it's not ascience and it has nothing to do
with good mental health.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Yeah.
On the contrary, it will hurtyour mental health in reality.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Just reading the book will probably make you go like
what the hell, man?
This is an insane book butregardless, hubbard found out
early on that all the nonsensethat he was up to there were
records of that.
He was arrested.
There was a whole bunch offraud that went on in the early
days of Dianetics and wifeswapping and wife stealing and

(11:38):
kidnapping and all these things.
If you want to read that,what's a good book.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
Bare Face.
Messiah by Russell Miller.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Bare Face Messiah by Russell Miller will tell you all
of the actual history of L RonHubbard and the early days of
Scientology.
And Scientology whitewashes allthat and they just say he wrote
a book and then Scientologystarted and everything was
always awesome.
It wasn't that way at all, andwhat Hubbard learned is he

(12:06):
learned that there were reportsthat existed all over the place
and all the places that he wentand was up to nonsense.
And so then, when Scientologycame out and Scientology started
doing things, there was allthis paper trail of nonsense
that Hubbard had created andother people in the Dianetics
Foundation had created, and sowhenever they'd go somewhere new

(12:31):
, he realized that they'd bebringing up stuff that had
happened in other places andthat the government was keeping
like a file system onScientology and they were
sharing information with thedifferent FBI offices and
different government offices andlocal law enforcement, and so

(12:51):
this happened.
This was going on constantlythroughout the fifties and the
sixties, and then, when Hubbardcreated the C organization, as
part of the C organization,there was a group that was
created called the Guardian'sOffice, and the Guardian's
Office was this new intelligenceoperation that basically

(13:14):
existed within the ScientologySea Organization.
Purposes of this organizationwas to find out what the
government knew aboutScientology and what they were
sharing with other governmentsabout Scientology.
So it wasn't just the.
Hubbard was on the run fromlocal government officials from

(13:36):
many different countries formany years and that is actually
why it was at sea.
A lot of people don't even knowthat the whole reason he
created the sea organization wasso that they could get out in
the international waters and getaway from the FBI and whatever
the British version of that is.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
There's Australian, south African which, by the way,
good point.
The reason it's called theGuardian's Office at least as it
was explained to me when I waslike six from that point forward
, was they were the guardians ofmainly L Ron Hubbard and
Scientology, protecting themfrom governmental authorities

(14:19):
and oversight.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah, exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
So.
So one of the things that theylearned is, when you've got,
when you're only up to nonsense,then the files only have
nonsense, right?
There's no good stuff in thereabout Scientology, it's all just
.
They did this and there.
And also, if you look back,there are FBI files that exist

(14:42):
on the Internet from the 60s andthe 70s, these documents that
they're trading back and forth.
And what are people?
What are they ending up in thenews?
And in these files forDisconnecting families, stealing
people's money, fraud, abuse?
It's been the same story fromthe very, very beginning.

(15:05):
It's not like they were firstdoing this and then they
rebranded and now they're doingthis.
No, it's all been the samestuff for 70 years 75 now.
There you go Because.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Dianetics was released May 9th 1950.
75 years of a destructive,abusive history of hurting
people, infiltrating government,getting away with things,
learning new ways to get awaywith things, constantly evolving
to get away with things and tokeep hurting people and to keep

(15:38):
fraudulently ripping people off,destroying families and all of
that.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Yeah.
So they realized there's onlynonsense in the files.
We got to put some good stuffin there and so they created all
these front groups and if youknow anything about Scientology,
they have tons of groups thaton paper there's a word
Scientology doesn't.
It's not in there anywhere, butit is Scientology.

(16:03):
That's the way to happiness.
Narconon, criminon, wise, theWorld Institute of Scientology
Enterprises.
They have Dianetics, just asDianetics is its own thing that
they promote just the bookDianetics, because it doesn't
say Scientology, and theypromote it as a mental health

(16:27):
publication.
That's been championed mentalhealth rights for 75 years.
And what they do is they put onparades and they get
proclamations and they they geta town.
They have people that are justsending out these emails to
mayors all over the country orto council members or to
whatever.
Hey, we'd like to declare thisthe way to happiness day, or

(16:50):
Dianetics day, or Narconon day,or drug free, or can we get a
key to your city for L RonHubbard, things like that.
Because he's the most published,most translated, most this,
whatever author.
And so the whole point of thatwas to generate goodwill for
scientology and then have thatbe in the files instead of just

(17:12):
the nonsense.
And then the guardian's officeif you look up, um, if you go on
, I'll put a link in the in thedescription of the video.
But if you look on, uh, theinterwebs, and you search
Operation Snow White, operationSnow White was a program that
the Guardian's office,scientology's dirty tricks,

(17:33):
dirty black bag operation theyhad within Scientology was to
break into government officesand facilities, take the
nonsense, bad things out of theScientology files and put good
stuff in there.
So then when somebody said,give me a file on Scientology
and then they'd pull it up andthey'd be like, oh, these guys
are amazing, they're wonderfulpeople, why are we getting

(17:56):
complaints about them?
I guess that was the perceivedend product of Hubbard's plan
and it's funny that he had tobreak into all these different
offices to swap the files.
They don't know where thesethings went.
There could have been another.
It's just ridiculous.
But either way, this operationwas documented because in the

(18:21):
1970s, in 19, I want to say 1977, 79, in the late seventies, the
FBI raided Scientology in LosAngeles and in Washington DC,
and in two locations in LosAngeles they did the Manor,
which is the now it's called theCelebrity Center, or the Manor

(18:44):
Hotel or the Chateau Elysee.
59, 5931, huh Franklin.
59, frank.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Whatever you say 50, 59.
It's where we got married.
I was just never.
You know.
There's certain addresses Iremember 5930.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Franklin Avenue.
There you go, that's inCalifornia, in California and
Los Angeles and Hollywood.
And then there's anotherfacility which is called,
usually referred to, as thecomplex, which is commonly the
image of it.
It's a big, giant blue buildingthat's in a wing formation and
it has Scientology writtenacross the top of it.
That's that facility was alsoraided.

(19:22):
And then they raided their Ithink they want to say they
raided their facility inWashington DC that they had at
the time.
But this is a crazy part of thestory which is not really that
well documented, which isScientology knew they were
coming and they spent daysshredding and getting rid of

(19:44):
stuff and cutting Hubbard's nameout of documents and for a long
time they actually had aprogram that they were doing
that with all of their files.
They were going into them withrazor blades and cutting
Hubbard's name out of thedocuments.
So it said they were redactingthem with razor blades, not
markers with razor blades.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, vetting them, which is so ironic because
thousands and thousands ofcontradictions in Scientology
that we talk about all the time.
But specifically shreddingdocuments.
Hubbard says you get assigned acondition of enemy.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Yeah, you're not allowed, you're not allowed to
do that.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Oh, but wait unless the FBI is coming.
And then quick shred them asquick as we can.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Well, I think, and I think that cutting his name out
was the kind of the lesser evilwe're not destroying, we're not
shredding anything because hesaid you can't destroy documents
, yeah, so cutting his name outis not destroying them, it's
just cutting his name out.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Whatever you like to tellyourself, well, that's something
In.

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Scientology.
There's all this mentalgymnastics that they have to do
instead of just shredding thedocument.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Like okay, the guardian's office, 12 people end
up in prison.
You know, there's all kinds ofYou're skipping ahead, okay.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay, holy moly, I'm sorry you just gave away the
whole great ending of the story.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
You didn't give me the agenda for today.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
I did.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
It says right here government you didn't share that
with me before this.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
Anyway.
So they have this operationwhere they're replacing all
these files, they're breakinginto all these government
offices, they're stealing theinformation, they're putting
false information into the files, not even good stuff, fake good
stuff, just fake stuff thatjust has no basis in reality.

(21:35):
That leads to a whole crazyseries of events.
And that's how they knew thatthe FBI was eventually going to
come for them, because they knewthey'd caught one of their guys
and they knew he was a bigenough fish that they were going
to be able to kind of wiggleout of this one.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
So they knew that this was happening and they had
already been redacting stuff,and I think what they did was
they were just trying to purgeall of the files that they could
before whatever happenedhappened, and that is a crazy
thought if you think about it.
So the FBI raids all theselocations, these different

(22:15):
facilities in Los Angeles and inWashington DC.
They get a ton, a treasuretrove of documents that
basically detail out theiryears-long operation to
infiltrate the government, andthen 12 of the officials of
Scientology did go to prison,including Hubbard L Ron
Hubbard's wife, mary Sue Hubbard, and then a whole other slew of

(22:37):
Scientology executives thatwere the head of the Guardian's
office, the top brass of theGuardian's office, who were in
all the documents that they didget.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Right, exactly, and Kendrick Moxon was an unindicted
co-conspirator.
That's how much I don't know,looking at the fact that he's
still such a key figure.
Scientology knew what he wasdoing, he didn't get in any
trouble.
He's still a prominent figurein Scientology because they knew

(23:08):
what he was doing.
It's not like oh wait, what,kendrick Moxon?
You were infiltrating thegovernment.
What in the world were youthinking?
None of that.
No, no, just business as usual.
Still the key guy.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
Some of the craziest things that I think about in
terms of that was when I went toa Scientology school in Los
Angeles.
When I got there, I think theschool opened in 1984.
So five years after this wholething happened.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
In 1984, the headmaster of the school was a
guy by the name of Henning Heldt.
Right, henning Heldt is one ofthe guys that went to jail in
the GO thing.
He got busted and went to jail.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
He was the headmaster of a Scientology school
Scientologists trust somebodywho's been to prison to educate
their children.
What does that say about them?
I know it was the same forGreenfields, which is the
English version of, you know,Delphi.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Hopkins right Right.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
Margaret Hodkin was the headmistress there and she
had been in the Guardian'soffice.
Yeah, and I think anyway,whatever, yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:14):
There's a lot of.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Not to go off into another rabbit hole.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, there's actually a lot of like kind of
what is considered Scientologyroyalty these days that were in
the Guardian's office.
Like Craig Jensen, he was inthe Guardian's office.
Yeah, he had a huge computercompany that ended up selling a

(24:39):
program to Microsoft, d-frag andall these other things.
But either way they get caught.
These guys go to jail and thenthe guardian's office, instead
of being called the guardian'soffice, they change the name and
Scientology says we'vedisbanded the guardian's office.
These guys were bad apples.
This doesn't representScientology.
It just happened to be the keyexecutive structure of our

(25:00):
organization that all werearrested and involved in all
this, but that's not Scientology.
That just happened to be thekey executive structure of our
organization, that all werearrested and involved in all
this, but that's not Scientology.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Oh, but wait, we don't do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah, yeah, we don't do that anymore.
We're done with that.
Okay, allegedly Well, besidesHubbard writing that you can't
shred anything, the other thingis you can't do anything if he
didn't say to do it.
And if he did say to do it, youcan't do it another way.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, he's like, but wait, I know the guardian's
office got in trouble, so let'stake the cover off and put a new
cover on with a new name.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, so then the guardian's office became the
office of special affairs, andit's just like um, it's just
like rebranding they didn'tchange the personnel, they
didn't change their offices,they didn't change their
policies.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
They didn't change their practices.
They changed the name, if youthink about it, it's literally
kindergarten logic in reality.
Like okay, so you think thatyou know like you're stealing
widgets from Bob.
So you go oops, I got introuble for stealing widgets
from Bob, so now I'm just goingto keep stealing widgets from

(26:10):
Bob, but I'm just going to callit something else.
Yeah, I'm borrowing widgetsfrom Bob.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Anyway.
So, but the Office of SpecialAffairs, they've been doing the
same thing, except instead ofthey're not breaking into
offices.
They know that didn't work out,so we can't do that anymore.
So what we've got to do iswe've got to create an
overwhelming amount of thesefalse front group nonsense,

(26:40):
fluffy fluff thing, and that'llget in there.
Front group nonsense, fluffyfluff thing, and that'll get in
there.
And then not only will we putthat in the files, but we'll
promote to everybody.
No, no, look, we got aproclamation, we got a key to
the city, we got a street namedafter Elrond Huttard, we got all
these things that we did, sowe're legit now and this program

(27:03):
has never, ever stopped.
So they're doing it to cities,towns, states, countries,
whoever they can get in goodwith.
There's always the possibilitythat if you get hooked up with a
really charismatic politician,that politician's going to rise

(27:29):
to the top and he's going tobecome something that will be
useful to them.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's strategy from Hubbard to get in with opinion
leaders, people of publicinfluence, to specifically
falsely present a facade thatthey are acceptable.
Or you know, I mean Iexperienced it with when I was
young, like, oh, Tom Cruise is aScientologist, John Travolta is

(27:56):
a Scientologist, and you go.
Well, you know, then maybe it'sjust me that thinks these
people are all nutty go.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Well, you know, then maybe it's just me that thinks
these people are all nutty.
Yeah, so they call that inScientology.
She said opinion leaders, butthey call them OLs in
Scientology.
You got to get, you have topromote and connect up with OLs
in your environment, opinionleaders.
And if you can connect up withthem and you can have them at
your event, or they're going tospeak, or they're going to speak
, or they're going to do alittle thing like thanks for

(28:24):
this, thanks to thescientologists for sweeping the
streets and giving us waterbottles and weird massages
during the hurricanes.
Um, if you can get that in alot of different places, then
they they call it safe point.
So when somebody comes to attackyou, you have this person.
Just be like well, no, we'refriends with Billy Bob over here

(28:45):
and he, he's beloved by theentire city.
So what do you what?
What are you talking?
Smack about us for?
So that it's it's multi-pronged, it's it's strategic in the
case that if the person becomessuccessful or becomes a bigger,
better politician and it has awider reach or wider influence,
but also so that they've gotsomething to show Scientologists

(29:10):
, but then alsonon-Scientologists when they
catch some flack case ofDianetics, they have these
events.
The way Scientology keeps theirflock sort of under control is
they have these eventsthroughout the year.

(29:31):
They have one on March, 13thMay, 9th June, 6th September,
auditor's Day.
And then they have the IAS event, the International Association
of Scientologists anniversaryevent, and they have that in
England.
And then they have a New Year'sevent and at each different one

(29:52):
of those events they have sortof a motif or a theme that
coincides with the date.
So for May 9th they have a May9th event and then it's the
anniversary of Dianetics andwhat they do is they they talk
about at that event DavidMiscavige gets up on stage and

(30:13):
he talks about the way thatDianetics is still booming after
75 years.
It's on all the number onebestseller lists and they're
doing this and they're doingthat and he goes through the
entire world of all the amazingDianetics stories from that year
.
And one of the things they do isthey try to get what's called a
Dianetics day and they get aproclamation and they just send

(30:38):
an email to the city.
They just send an email to thecity Usually it's the PR person
or whoever the person handlesthat kind of stuff media, social
media or public relationsoffice for the city and they say
, hey, we'd like to designate wesay we represent Dianetics, the
book by L Ron Hubbard, modernScience and Mental Health.

(30:59):
It's celebrating its 75th yearof publication.
It's been translated into 50gazillion languages and it sold
40 quadrillion copies and we'dlike and it made 10 million
bestseller lists.
Yes and blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, their word salad so then
they say we'd like you to setaside a day for us and in your

(31:23):
city to be Dianetics Day.
And they've got 50 or 60 ofthese things in some exhibition
for L Ron Hubbard on HollywoodBoulevard and they're printed
out and it's like proclamation,whereas the modern bit, all this
other stuff, okay.
So they have all those thingsand at the event they will

(31:46):
usually include that in somesort of video montage or as part
of a funny anecdote that DavidMiscavige will tell the story
about.
And they'll say, like, well,the city of Keokuk was
experiencing horrible crime andall this upheaval, and then
Dianetics, uh, keokuk wasexperiencing horrible crime and
all this, all this uh up andupheaval, and dah, dah, dah, dah
.
And then Dianetics wasintroduced and like oil across

(32:10):
the ocean, the seas calmed andand and.
Then they say and eventually we, we, they called May 9th
Dianetics day in Keokuk becauseof this and um, and so they're
showing this to Scientologistsat the event.
These people, their localorganization, is in a strip mall
next to the dog grooming placeand there's like four people in

(32:33):
there.
Maybe in a week there's nothinggoing on.
So then they hear oh, over inKeokuk, they're like they're
slaying it and they're doing allthis other stuff and dying next
day over there.
Yeah, um, and we can't get fourpeople in to buy books or, you
know, do our funky massages,whatever.
So they use that to prove toscientologists that scientology

(32:56):
is expanding and all thesethings are happening, and so so
it gives this appearance withinScientology, and we hear this
from people that are talking tous today, scientologists that
are under the radar, or theyleft but they didn't tell
anybody or whatever, and they'relike, yeah, from going to the
events, I thought everything wasamazing and it was just my town

(33:21):
that was, you know, in thestick.
And so then when you get andthat's the reason why they don't
like the SPs talking to eachother and talking to people
because they go oh, wait aminute, it wasn't just my org,
that was always empty and therewas nobody ever there.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yep as the saying goes, loose lips sink ships
there.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Yep as the saying goes loose lips, sink ships,
yeah, so so that I mean, that'sbasically leads us up to the
story that happened with us.
So why don't you tell it?
Because you were really.
Claire did all this.
I was doing, I was working this, I I showed up to the meeting,
but other than that, claire didthis whole thing.

(34:02):
So I'll let her tell youbasically just the timeline over
the past week really.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Sure yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
So Tony Ortega posted on his website at the
Underground Bunker I have tointerrupt you because we did
hear from a good friend of ours,but he posted before that.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
That's why I'm doing the timeline.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I will include that.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Yes, as you know, mark and I have day jobs which
have been keeping us incrediblybusy.
So Tony had posted on his siteI had not seen it that the city
of Brighton here in Colorado hadsigned a proclamation to make
May 9th Dianetics Day.
We heard about this because aclose friend of ours, who is

(34:48):
very well connected in Colorado,sent me a text and gave me a
heads up like hey, did you hearabout this?
Can you believe this?
She was like this is insanityand the moment she sent me the
text I was like I'm on it, so Iso.
This was Tuesday night that Iheard about this.
I sent an email to the mayor ofBrighton just giving a short

(35:11):
summary of who I am, mybackground you know a number of
us former Scientologists areresidents of Colorado and that
we would immediately like torequest a personal meeting with
him to educate him on thedangers of Scientology so as to
not expose the citizens ofBrighton unsuspecting citizens

(35:35):
of Brighton to a cult.
So I sent this email I want tosay 8.40 pm.
The mayor responded withinthree hours and said absolutely,
yes, I would love to meet, andhere's when I can meet.
By the next morning we heardthat the proclamation had been
rescinded or was on the agenda.

(35:58):
There's some logistics that areinvolved with rescinding a
proclamation, so it's not justan instant thing.
It had already.
They get signed days before.
So anyway, that's part of thetimeline to be aware of.
And then the mayor said oh, youknow what, I'm going to be
close to you tomorrow, may 8th.

(36:19):
And so I was like great, yes,absolutely, we'll meet with you.
So we set up the meeting, whichwas attended by myself, mark
Bruce Hines and Chris Shelton.
Yeah, and for those who don'tknow, bruce Hines is the
executive director of theAftermath Foundation, michael J
Rinder, aftermath Foundation,that's right, and Chris also

(36:40):
helps us with a number of thingstoo, and Chris, of course does
has his own YouTube channel andhas a lot to expose.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
We'll put a link in the description to Chris
Shelton's channel.
He also, chris, does a lot of,if anybody is, if anybody wants
to know what's happening inScientology besides watching our
channel, you can follow.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
Tony Ortega and.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Chris Shelton, and I think they do a video every week
as well where they kind ofrecap things.
So we'll put links to that.
But Tony Ortega has beencovering Scientology for decades
and he has people he also has alot of Scientologists and under
the radar Scientologists thatspeak to him and give him all
sorts of events anddocumentation.
They have the audio frombetween him and Mark bunker.

(37:27):
They put the audio up of thethe May 9th event that happened.
Yeah, Somebody leaked the audio,which is awesome which is crazy
that they're doing that likedays after the event.
Used to take us like four yearsto get our hands on this thing.
Now it takes four hours.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
So he's doing great work.
So yeah.
So we went and met with themayor and he was so receptive.
He said, you know, he juststarted out like you know, I'll
be honest, I made a big mistake.
I got this email back in March.
I read it, I just saw he, youknow, stuck to the key words
like mental health, oh okay yeah, he literally said.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
It said mental health .
I was like yeah, that checksounds great.
And he said he said nowhere inthe email did it mention the
word scientology, which is trueand he also said if, if it had
said scientology, I wouldn'thave given the email, that I
wouldn't even have read the restof the email.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
Yes, correct, and so this is how.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
And so that also proves that's why they don't put
Scientology in any of this.
They always Narconon, criminon,way to Happiness, dianetics.
They don't want to sayScientology, because then they
go.
Isn't that that thing that TomCruise is doing with the aliens?
You know, everybody knowssomething.
They don't know a lot, buteverybody knows a little

(38:48):
something.
Mostly it's Tom Cruise, orthere's some kind of craziness,
or Tom Cruise craziness.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, yeah.
And we always talk about theall the great work that has been
done to expose the abuses ofScientology.
I think from I mean you and Ihad done multiple documentaries
leading up to, uh, leah Remini,scientology in the aftermath and
the impact of that, that, thosethree seasons, the work that

(39:15):
Leah and Mike did wasexponentially broader than
anything else we had ever beeninvolved in um it.
Even even in our small town ofcasrock we had people coming up
to us going oh my gosh, I, Ijust watched this show, I had no
idea that you were a part ofscientology, and oh my god, and
crying and we did.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh my gosh, we never said about we were.
We lived in the where we live.
We lived here for years andnobody knew any of that nonsense
.
And then when they saw the show, they're like oh, I know those
people.
But I wanted to say also, shoutout to the guy that works at
King Soopers that always says hito me.
It's a grocery store here.
He works in produce.
We're good buddies now.

(39:57):
Basically we check in with eachother whenever I go shopping.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Is that the case?

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yeah, anyway, good to know, but what I was going to
say was he, he.
We didn't know exactly how thiswas going to go when we got
there.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Oh, with the mayor, yes, yeah, yeah.
No, we didn't know at all, butwe had.
So Chris Shelton put together awhole fact sheet of what the
Dianetics book is and some ofthe very damning material that's
in there.
That's very contrary toanything supporting mental
health.
We also had all kinds ofmaterial about the work that

(40:33):
Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation does, not only to
help people get out and startnew lives but also to educate
law enforcement and governmentalagencies on the dangers of this
organization.
We had copies of Mark's bookanyway, whole packet of
information which he was likeawesome, great, okay.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
Yeah, but, but.
But.
So we didn't know exactly.
We had all this stuff, wedidn't know how it was going to
go.
We didn't know if he was goingto be like listen, you know, I
don't want to get involved withyou guys either.
I don't want to be on either.
You know, we don't know whathe's going to say.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
And he was like listen, they tricked me.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Really, that's what happened.
I got tricked.
I didn't know Scientology, Ithought it was mental health.
They tricked me.
I signed it as soon as I foundit was nonsense.
We basically said, okay, we'renot reading this proclamation,
we're taking it off.
They actually took all theproclamations off the agenda.
They're just like we don't wantto have anything to do with any
of this stuff.
Yeah, Anyway, but.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
But it was interesting that he also told us
, though, that, again, there's avery specific process that they
have to go through, and becausethe proclamation had already
been signed, even though theyplan to rescind it, somebody
from scientology showed up anddid a you know grab and dash, or
grab and go this.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
Well, this is the most interesting point to me.
The only requirement to get aproclamation is you have to go
there and pick it up.
Yep, that's it, that that isliterally the only we could send
a thing saying we want it to bea happy Headley Day on May 21st
.
And yeah, here's our happyHeadley Foundation and here's

(42:11):
this and here's some Xenot-shirts in case you want to do
that.
And yeah.
But the only requirement is youcan't just click clickety, click
, click and get one.
No, you got somebody's got tocome there and pick it up.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
Yeah, you physically have to show up and you don't
even have to stay for the entiremeeting.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
That's what they said .
He said we go through and weread them all, but if you just
come and pick it up, you couldget there.
If the meeting is at 10 and youget there at 830 and you go,
hey, I'm here from Happy Headly.
They go oh, it's right there,you go.
See, I wouldn't want to be, I'mout, I don't even care if you

(42:53):
read it, I'm out, I'm leaving, Igot my, I got my, I got Happy
Headly Anyway.
But so when he said that, andthen he said and even all of
this happened and they stillcame, picked it up and
skedaddled right out of there.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Even though it was already on the agenda to rescind
said proclamation it didn'tmatter to them because they
wanted to announce it at the May9th Dianetics event.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
I haven't listened to this audio of the event, but if
anybody has listened to it,it's out there.
Comment if they said anythingabout the city of Brighton
making it Dianetics day in theirevent because this thing
happened on such a fast track,they could have had it in the
thing weeks ago.
That they got this, that'sright.
It could be in the speech.

(43:36):
Yep, it could be in there, andthey don't want to tell David
Miscavige that this all wentdown sideways.
And so there's a what's thelesser evil.
We do have a proclamation.
It is printed off it it?
No, there's nothing on it thatsays it's not legit.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
It hasn't been rescinded yet.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
Yeah, when we gave it to you, sir, it was valid, it
was good, anyway, good anyway.
So what's the lesser evil?
Getting heat for it this weekwhen he does find out, or
getting heat at the event whenthey're like in the middle of
doing the event, because we mikerender and I did a ton of
videos about the events and youcan look at those if you look
back and on my channel or mike'schannel mike renders channel

(44:18):
but when you're in that pressurecooker of putting on that event
, nothing can go wrong.
If anything, david Miscavige isat.
He is at like I don't even knowwhat you call it Pinch a 5,000.
He's like he's ready to goBorneo at any moment.
So you don't want to be theperson that tells him that you

(44:41):
got to take that bright thingout, sir.
What do you mean?
There's a whole shit stormgoing down from happy Headley's
over there and jacking our shitup right now.
But so either way, I don't know, let us know in the comments.
Bleepity, bloop it in there, if, if, they left it in.
But he was very cool.

(45:02):
He was very like yeah, and alsohe's like I don't know if you
guys know, but but most mayorsof these towns and cities here,
they're part.
This is a part time thing.
I'm.
I have a, you know my, ourneighbor, our neighbor has a
coffee shop.
I have a.
You know my, our neighbor, ourneighbor has a coffee shop.
He does another job.
He does this as his his.

(45:22):
I liked.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
I want to support and I want to give back to the
community and support thecommunity.
And you know it's a, it's ananyway.

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, he's, he's not this comment, just there's a
little thing, that just big.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Becky, let Davey lie on stage for the millionth time.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
Exactly 100%.
That's the other thing thatgoes along with that.
Do we get in trouble now?
Dave has said a lot of nonsensethat has no basis in reality at
many events.
Yeah, so just throwing a cityproclamation on the pile is not
like come on.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I mean they've had millions of members.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Whatever it's like, you know we're there, it's all
word salad anyway.
So you know like, rather thansaying you know our, our, we,
our, our completions went fromone to three this week.
It's going to be like our statswent to the moon and back.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
No, no, they say three X, right, we three X our
delivery.
You're like, so instead of oneperson completing a two minute
course, you had three peoplecommit uh, complete a one minute
course.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Right, amazing Yep.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Anyway.
So that's pretty much I meanbut it was.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
It was really.
It was a great meeting.
It was time very well spent andwe told the mayor of Brighton
we're like you know any anyonethat that anything we can do to
better educate governmentofficials and police departments
and, you know, agencies,whatever you know, it's
education goes a really reallylong way.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Totally yeah.
And the other thing is, we'relooking at even because, again,
we do this in our spare time aswell.
It's not our full-time thing togo meet with mayors.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
No, it's our volunteer work to help educate
the world about the abuses ofScientology.
What day?

Speaker 1 (47:19):
was.
That Was it Wednesday.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
Yeah, it was Wednesday, it was.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Wednesday.
We had lunch on Wednesday andthen we met the mayor after
lunch.
Yep, that's literally whathappened, yep, and there was a
lot, like I said, there was alot of back and forth with
Claire and other folks aboutthis whole thing, but the thing
that we took away from it wasit's actually very simple to

(47:42):
actually meet with these peopleand talk to them, and we want
where we're thinking.
You guys can put it in thecomments below or you can go to
the aftermath website and andlet us know over there is there.
There's a way to send in thingson the aftermath.
We were thinking there's twothings I've been thinking about
and you guys can confirm it inthe comments.
That way we know which one weshould do.
But we're thinking about makinglike a little kit that we can

(48:03):
send to mayors or we can send topolice departments, or that
it's just like a little resource, like a local government
resource kit, and it has, ifsomebody comes in from because
this is another thing Peopleshow up at police stations and
there's nonsense happening,no-transcript give to that

(48:47):
person and say, hey, I'm notsaying what I'm saying, but if
there's something going on,here's something that may or may
not be some use to you and thenthey go and the person I mean
depends on the person, dependson the situation, but they that
might actually end up helpingthem.
They don't have one of that.
They don't have one of thosefor Scientology and in the
places where Scientology haslarge organizations there are,

(49:11):
there's nonsense that's going onbecause we've spoken to the law
enforcement in those areas anda lot of those guys we have
given stuff to.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
And in fact it was at law enforcement's request that
we set up a dedicated lawenforcement crisis line, they
told us.
We've heard from multipleagencies several different
examples of situations that wereabsolutely awful, in which

(49:42):
their hands were tied.
There was not a whole lot theycould do because there was a
Scientology handler present.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Oh yeah, they knew this person was either a victim
of human trafficking or highcontrol group or whatever,
however you want to call it.

Speaker 2 (49:59):
And they had been alerted because, as in
situations involving domesticviolence, for example, the
injuries involved did not matchthe person's description of what
happened.
And again that there's multipledifferent examples of this that
we've heard from lawenforcement in even different
states.
But so that's the reason wehave it now a dedicated law

(50:27):
enforcement crisis line that'srun by the Michael J Rinder
Aftermath Foundation to educatelaw enforcement and give thema
resource to better be able tohelp these people.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah.
So we want to see if there's away because it's not free to
make these kits.
You got to put.
It takes some work.
You got to print stuff up.
But if we were going to do it,we were thinking we could make
them in a way that we could justsend a kit.
It's just like a folder or apackage that just has everything
in it and then they just put itin the Scientology file and

(50:59):
then when somebody shows up,everybody's briefed this looks
like it might be the.
This might be from old Gilmanhot Springs.
We got to, we got to get openup the Scientology file.
Anyway, we're thinking of doingthat.
The other thing we werethinking of doing again, let us
know in the comments, the onlyway we know, if people think we
should do this and if there's aninterest in supporting it.

(51:21):
That's really the reason.
I'm saying not that, it's notthat, it's not just a great idea
all around.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Most helpful as a package of information, a packet
of information that is easilyconsumable, that provides
resources, gives you ideas ofwhat to look for.
Anyway, that's, that's the idea.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
I think it's a really good idea and also that that we
can say in there, uh, many, atmany times and in many instances
, they'll have a handler withthem that won't let them be
alone with you, because theyknow if they are, the person
will tell you what's reallygoing on, Right, so they keep
the handler there to be like youbetter not say nothing.
Yeah, the other thing we werethinking about doing is adopting

(52:07):
like adopt a billboard.
So we're doing these.
We did these billboards in LosAngeles, yep, also in London,
again, not free.
We, we, we, we rely ondonations and support from
people, um, in order to fundthose.
But if you could have like anadopt a billboard thing where,

(52:27):
uh, currently, if you wanted toadopt a certain billboard or if
you just wanted to uh adopt alocation, then we would have
like a.
I don't know how you, if you, Idon't want, I don't to, I want
to get away from like donationlevels, like we don't want to
have patron meritoriousbillboardists, no, but but you
know they're like the.

Speaker 2 (52:47):
I think it's a good idea to around ideal orgs,
especially to figure out how to,you know, have these billboards
there.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Obviously, los Angeles, clearwater and the the
ideal org locations, because,yeah, Same thing with the
information packs we want toconcentrate on the organizations
that they're actively trying toget people into or or sucker
people into from the collegecampus or the new ideal org,
this in this place or that place.

(53:17):
And because there's a lot ofpeople that listen to the show
on the podcast or on YouTube.
They have connections to peopleand they'll be like yeah, I
know the mayor or I know the.
When I was in Mississippi doingsome work, I got introduced to
the mayor of the town I wasworking in.
So there's a lot of people thatknow these people and if

(53:39):
they're watching, they could say, yeah, yeah, not only would I
think it's a good idea, but I'dlike to give you whatever it is
so we can get a kit for my town.
So then I can give it to theguy, you can mail it or I can,
just we can give it to him.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
So bleepity, bloop it , let us know We'll do a new,
another update on the billboards.
There's been so much progress,but we try to keep that as its
own thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
We also.
We don't want to spill thebeans because there's a lot of
nonsense going on.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Oh my God, we're in the war of the billboards,
second world war of thebillboards right now, deep in
the throes.
It's like it's gone, I guess Iwant to say it's.

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It's basically message to thepeople that need to hear the
message, regardless of how we dothat.
So anyway, but yeah, there'sbeen a lot going on behind the
scenes that we're not going totalk about right now.
We'll just leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Yeah, excitement.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yes, hi Osa, we know that you've been seeing our
billboards and yeah, there yougo.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Yeah, I think we should get to some.
We'll do some giveaways and getto some comments.
We'll put we'll try to rememberall the things that we talked
about and put links in thedescription.
So the OSA stuff and theguardian's office and the
largest infiltration in theUnited States government and its
history we'll put all that inthe comments.
And then if we do stories or ifwe talked about any other

(55:23):
things, or Ortega or ChrisShelton, we'll try to put all
that in the description of thevideo.
But let's do giveaway things.
Let's see if I push this button.
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
Yes, and again, we're giving away two copies of the
personalized edition of Mike'sbook that was given to anyone
who attended Mike's Celebrationof Life service.
It has a message in the frontfrom Christy and her boys.
Yeah, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
And then probably next week or the week after or
whatever, we'll get back to justdoing BFG stuff.
And if you want just BFG stuff,if you already got, if you
already won a book or youalready have a copy of the book
and you don't care about thething in the front, it's not
that big of a deal Then you canget BFG March, right, yep.

Speaker 2 (56:10):
Exactly so.
I, Claire, loves to give away.
I mean Just let you know.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
She loves a giveaway.
She loves a giveaway.
Oh, here we go.
I told you Dr X.
Oh my gosh, dr X.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
Happy Mother's Day to all, sending love to those that
are affected by disconnection.
Glad to see there are peoplewho care for their community and
can't be bought.
Great idea on the info kits andbillboards.
Great work, keep it up.
Thank you so much for yoursupport.
Yes, anyway.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Thank you, Dr.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yes, we appreciate you, and yes to anyone who's
tuning in that has been impactedby the destructive and evil
practice of disconnection.
You have our love and supportand, as I said at the beginning,
that's what in the top five.
To me, most destructive andevil things that Scientology
does is destroy families, and so, yeah, we're dead set on

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stopping it.
So, one way or another, allright.
So we'll do a giveaway and thenwe'll do some comments, and
then do a final giveaway and leteveryone get back to their
Mother's Day.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Yeah, okay, here we go.
It started, I can start Now.
I'm recognizing the names, evenif they go fast.
I see Robert and Shannon, both.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Every week now.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Nice, that's awesome.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Jake Floyd.

Speaker 2 (57:25):
Congratulations, jake .
Send me an email, claire, atblownforgoodcom, with a link to
what you would like from eitherthe oh wait, sorry, wrong track.
Send me your address and I willget you a copy of Mike's book.
Just send Claire an email Ihave my whole script running in
my head.
I'm like oops, wrong one, sorryabout that.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
Oh, mark Fisher's in here somewhere too.
Oh, awesome, okay, so we'll dosome comments now and you can
switch back to both of us.
Oh, look at her.
Yeah, prompting me.
I get all excited about thecomments and I don't pay
attention to the video.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
I'm fine with you putting it on me some of the
time, but not like all the time.
All right, jamie Perkins.
Happy Mother's Day fromSouthern Utah.
Many people have complexfeelings about Mother's Day.
It's a hard day for many of us,absolutely bittersweet, for
many, many different reasons,you know.
And so, again, anyone who has,who has trouble on this day, or

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is on the struggle bus, as Ilike to call it, we support you,
you can do this, we can all dohard things, and don't ever
forget that.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
All right, glenda Stevenson.
Happy Mother's Day, claireBearer.
Thank you, glenda, weappreciate it.
Nashay, june 6th is my birthday.
I'll be celebrating my 41stthis year, Wow.
Well, happy birthday, becky.
Big brother fan Shout out andgreetings to any under the radar
people in the chat.
Peace and love, yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Yeah, that's.
The other thing I did want tosay is that we're trying to help
these people, so we're justtrying.
A lot of the times, if you justgive the people that are under
the radar or that basically theycan't leave Scientology or they
don't, most of those peopleonce they get information, then

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they can figure out a solutionif they get the right
information.
And a lot of times the argumentis I'm not doing anything, so
I'm not really supporting it.
They don't know that I left andsometimes it's not the best
idea for them to speak outpublicly, so there are other
ways they can do things that canbe helpful to them and the

(59:37):
abuses without going on theinterwebs and talking about it.

Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yeah, exactly For sure, glenda.
Even after all these years offollowing the aftermath, I'm
still stunned by the familyseparation of Scientology.
It's just so cool, I know itreally is.
Yep, laura, hey, hey, glad tocatch this today, laura good to
see you and, by the way, Iwanted to give a shout out to
Laura and Dan.

(01:00:03):
Thank you so much for all thepictures of the billboards that
you sent oh yeah, that wasamazing stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:09):
Oh, when we'll do that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
when we do the update , next update, we will show a
bunch of different pictures andstuff yeah, and I think they
even did a walking tour of thebillboard so we can link to that
anyway.
Thank you, Laura, we appreciateit.
We love you.
I'm sorry this is.
I know this is a hard day foryou Well that's right Cause,
Laura, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
We'll keep.
We'll put a link to her channel.

Speaker 2 (01:00:30):
Yes, there you go, we'll do that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Laura.
Um, we, when she was a little,I mean she was tiny, like yeah,
I mean I'm talking single digitsshe was like a little kid when
we worked at the headquartersand they had a place where it
was called the ranch and theykept all of the kids of Sea Org
members that were born beforethe rule of no kids.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
They kept a she was in the cadet organization, just
like I was, which, as I've saidmany times, the cadet
organization is think oforphanage meets Lord of the
Flies, meets Nazi youth andvoila, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Yeah, it's wild.
Yeah, it is so her mother andfather both worked at the
international headquarters withus, and then her father and her
brother was there as well.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Yep us, and then her father and her brother was there
as well, yep, and her mother isstill there to this day, as far
as I know.
Yeah, there's a comment Imarked from her that talks about
how her mom, diane, still workson the events.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah, so her mom's still there, her dad is in.
I think he's in Los angeles now.
They split up after like 40years of marriage or something
like that, and then, because themom wasn't allowed to leave the
headquarters and the dad got introuble, so he went into la, so
they were basically never goingto see each other again anyway
right, which was almost whathappened to us yeah, that's a

(01:01:54):
normal thing in the seer.

Speaker 2 (01:01:55):
That's a tuesday a day in the life of a seer member
.
But yet scientology can workwonders for your relationship.
They have the technology tosave any marriage.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Yeah, and her brother also got out.
So her and her brother are bothout of the sea organization and
I don't think either one ofthem is involved with anything
scientology related.
But then the mother and fatherare still in the Sea Org and
it's like the craziest thing inthe world and they grew up
without their parents inside theSea Org.

(01:02:26):
So then to not have them whenthey leave and they're out in
the real world now, they don'thave that support structure and
this is kind of the everydaystory of this when I became a
mom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
This is the thing.
Stories like Laura's, like mine, make me so angry as a mother,
like thinking about my kids andwhat I was doing at that age, or
what Laura was doing at thatage, or anyone that grew up in
the cadet organizationespecially.
It's just a unique hellholethat no child should ever

(01:03:02):
experience and it just itliterally gets my blood boiling
every time I think about it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Anyway, yeah, oh, here's one from Spanglish.

Speaker 2 (01:03:10):
Okay, sp Spanglish.
And as Miguel and Tony arereporting, they are still
infiltrating governments Mexico,to this very day Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:18):
Yeah.
So this is, this is another keything A lot of people don't
know is whatever works in the US, they just export that to
other countries.
So they do like what's called apilot pilot program and they'll
do letters or they'll do emails, or they'll do media kits or,
and whatever one hits, go, good,we'll do that everywhere.
Oh, do the exact same thing.

(01:03:40):
You take this.
Oh and this is a lot of osadoes this is osa will know who
the key movers and shakers arein that area, and then they'll
be like, okay, good, we're goingto do the same thing in mexico
when we go to open this neworganization.
They try to do all this.
This scientology seo memberssign billion-year contracts.
So if it takes 10 years to dosomething, this Scientology SEAC
members sign billion-yearcontracts.

(01:04:00):
So if it takes 10 years to dosomething, it's like
whoop-dee-doo, they don't care,they're lifers, they're going to
do it.
And when that person bails andgets out of there, it's going to
bring another guy over and say,here, this is what he was doing
for the last three years, keepdoing this.
And then they just keep itgoing.
So there's not really any.
There's no, there's noobstacles that are not going to

(01:04:24):
wear down in the in when they'redoing this.
They both, basically, are justlike we'll just keep sending
these things forever.
If we need a hundred, there's 5000 cities we can send it to.
We're gonna get a hundred outof 5 000, yeah, or now maybe
they're getting 10 out of every5,000, but whatever, they're
still doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
They have no lack of manpower.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
Oh, here's a Laura.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
There's a comment from Laura, my mother is still
at gold base doing all the videoediting set up for the
slideshow screens fromMiscavige's speeches.
Every event every two or threemonths.
It's insane.
It's insane, mom, get her out.
Yes, exactly, diane, get out,your daughter needs you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
It's so crazy.
I can't believe Diane is stillthere.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
It's awful.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Okay, oh, this is just now.
People saying where's a goodplace to go.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
The box sub stack is incredible, if anyone wants to
read it.
Yes, and, by the way, I have aspecial surprise coming up.
Oh great, I'm not going to say,but it's coming up.
Oh, here's another one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Everyone's just jumping on the bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
Laura would definitely recommend the Expert
Witness by Jesse Prince.
Yes, absolutely Great book.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Yeah, there's a lot of that's.
Another great thing is there'sa lot of people that are telling
their stories now, so they'rewriting books, they're telling
their stories.
Yep, tom devocht um, he was atthe base, for he was there way
before us.
Yes, and then he went to clearwater in the early 80s yeah,

(01:05:51):
then he went to clear water andthen was there when clear water
got built up and then he cameback to the property because he
was so successful with david thescavenging clear water that
dave brought him to the base tobe one of his lieutenants at the
base.
And then that's the short.
That's the short ride to to get.
Now is when you start workingwith Dave.
You're either going to submitor you're going to quit.

(01:06:14):
Yeah, Nobody wants to be at thethe base.
That's like a country, that'slike a cross country ticket on
the struggle bus, if you knowwhat I mean.
It's not going to be good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Yeah, yeah, we were talking about that because at
least when we were there, welived in the town.
Yeah, but then after that they,they built the birthing
buildings on the property.
So for all intents and purposesit's like super max, right.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, yeah, anyway, oh, socky McSockface Most people
now.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
It will be South Park , south Park, yeah, so South
Park is another reason I thinkhe was saying how are people
getting their Scientologynonsense flowing?
Oh, I see we're hearing it fromthe new generation, Definitely.
I don't know about bare facedMessiah.
I watched.
I didn't read a book.
I watched an episode of SouthPark.
Right, I got fully educated inabout 30 minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yes, exactly, shannon Graves love this idea.
I have connections to themayor's office in Orlando, as
well as the sheriff's and policedepartment.
If this is an area of interest,yes, exactly.
That's what I'm saying, so wecan put this together and send
it out to our almost 2,000volunteers and say hey, if you
anyway awesome.
We can get a lot of amazingwork going that will prevent

(01:07:31):
these useless emails fromScientology ever hitting a mark
again.
There you go.
Tom DeVock said recently,recently David Miscavige may
close.
Ant.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Base, I wouldn't he's been saying that for years yeah
, I wouldn't doubt it that foryears the thing with the Ant
Base is it serves no purpose.
Now, it's other than Supermaxwell, yeah, but the ones, those
they could move those people outof the country.
They could do most of thosepeople out of the country.
They could do.
Most of those people are Asianout too, I mean we were we were

(01:08:06):
young kids when we were thereand now you know we're in our
fifties, the people that werethere, that were adults when we
got there.
I mean we have, and we knowthis, there's a whatever's
happening there.
We do have a little bit of ahere and there info, because
there's there's nonsense,there's always nonsense, and
because there's nonsense,there's always nonsense.
And whenever there's nonsenseit gets to us, we hear about it,
which we appreciate everybodywho sends us information on

(01:08:30):
current happenings and so forth.
Anyway, there's definitely somepeople that are aging out over
there.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
Eldorado.
I attempted to send you guys anemail via your site and your
captcha seems broken.
I will check into that.
My email is Claire at Balloonfor Good dot com, so if you'd
like to send me an email, andmeanwhile, thanks for the heads
up, we'll check into that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Yeah, ok, we got one last super chat.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
OK, kim White, happy Mother's Day, claire.
And we got one last super chat.
Okay, kim White, happy mother'sday, claire, and to all the
mothers in the chat.
Thank you, kim, appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Awesome yes.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Happy mother's day to all the moms joining us very
much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Okay, we're going to do another giveaway another
giveaway.
And then that's, we went alittle over today, sorry again.

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Oh, I saw Casey, I know we're seeing um, it's
Cassie.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
It's Cassie going back and forth.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Katie, congratulations.
Send me an email, Claire, atblown for goodcom with your
address and I will get you thespecial edition of Mike's book.
Thank, you for tuning in.
Thank you for everybody tuningin, taking some time on this
beautiful mother's day Sunday.
Yeah, we appreciate you all.
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
We'll do some with this special shout out for moms
of fur babies.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Yes, absolutely.
I know I was thinking aboutthat and oh yeah, anyway, I'm
not going to dive down thatrabbit hole.
Just changed my mind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
Oh Capshka scams.
Watch-oh Kapschka scams.
Watch out for the Kapschkascams.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Oh really.
Oh my witness.
I just saw something about iton a scammer payback channel.
Okay, I'll check into that Holymoly.
There are so many things thesedays.

Speaker 1 (01:10:11):
I know you can't you know what?

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Don't click on anything.
Don't look at your phone, don'tsay anything out loud, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
It says on the thing don't click on the email on the
toll roads.
It was like look out for thetoll scam.
I was like holy moly, now we'vegot the toll scheme.
Anyway, thank you for joiningguys.
We will try to put all thelinkage in the descriptage.
We appreciate everybody joiningus.
We're trying to figure out thesummer.

(01:10:42):
We're going to be doing so muchtraveling and so much moving
around and there's a lot ofprojects happening, so we'll try
to keep we do at least anepisode every week on the
podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:10:52):
Yeah, our schedule might go a little out of whack
on these lives coming up, sodefinitely hit that notification
bell so that you get notified.
We will absolutely do our best,but yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
Claire does have.
I mean, the one thing that'sreally happened is, within the
last month or two, there's a lotof people connecting, so
Claire's got, I want to say,like at least five or six great
interviews kind of coming up,and there's so many things being
worked on right now.
It's insane.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
So there's lots of the Scientology.
Stuff's not dying out anytimesoon.
The other thing that I wantedto say before we go is
Missionary Impossible is comingout Another Tom Cruise movie and
whenever Tom Cruise has a moviecome out, we just start getting
.
Our channel just gets justobliterated.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Right so just.
In a good way.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Yeah, just because we're talking about another
video, and I don't even know whythis is, but there's a video
that we have up on the channel.
It was a recording of DavidMiscavige and tom cruise
backstage at his birthday partyon the freewinds cruise ship
from a long time ago, from 2004yes 2003 or 2004 and it's just a

(01:12:10):
30 second clip it's.
It's got like 25 000 views inthe last two or three weeks and
I don't know why.
I'm assuming it's because of themission impossible stuff yeah
but um, yeah, if you see a tomcruise thing or an article or
something, yeah, tag us in it,or, or, or put a link to
something we'll do missionimpossible stop disconnection

(01:12:32):
mission impossible, tom cruise,finding a girlfriend.
Um, anyway, whatever missionimpossible stop elder abuse in
scientology yeah, um, but theother thing is that and I and I
always say this and it alwayshappens is right before tom
cruise or drawn to vault, amovie comes out, there's all
these rumors and the tabloidsthat they're leaving scientology

(01:12:55):
it's, and those are spiked bythe movie company and all the
people that are in haveinvestments in the movie.
Because people don't want towatch a movie if they think the
money's going to Scientology,but if they think Tom Cruise,
they want to see the movie.
But they now they're conflictedbecause Tom Cruise is in it,
right, and there's a lot ofpeople that do.
I really liked it.

(01:13:15):
I'm like go watch it, I don'tcare if you watch the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Go watch the movie, but I'm not.
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
I know Claire's on the band bandwagon.

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
No, and, by the way, Trevon says.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
I sure hope.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
stopping disconnection isn't a mission
impossible.
No, absolutely it's a missionand we've chosen to accept it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Anyway, but the thing I was going to say is so going
to say is so they have all thesearticles come out in the
tablets.
This used to be like clockwork,oh my gosh, and we would have
like all kinds of reporterscalling us.
Is this true?
We're like, of course it's nottrue.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Tom cruz is not leaving scientology yeah, um,
but other high profile people,though I will say we're not
going to name any names havebeen reaching out on the crisis
line for the foundation and weoffer a mentorship and support
to get them out.
So there you have it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
Anyway, yeah, tom Cruise is.
Somebody said Tom Cruise hasmade a lot of SPS.
He really has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
In Scientology.
If you're somebody's auditorand they turn SP, you get in big
trouble as the auditor.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:12):
Tom Cruise was my auditor and I turned SP
suppressive person, so he shouldbe in trouble right now.
They shouldn't be celebratinghim.
He's making SPs.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
But you forget, he has ethics protection.

Speaker 1 (01:14:24):
Yeah, I'm tripping on .
I don't know how I did that,maybe somebody else did that
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
No, I think you just.

Speaker 1 (01:14:32):
It's enough oh boy 15 minutes over.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Okay.
He's got to take me to lunchfor mother's day.
By the way thanks for beingsuch an amazing husband and
giving me so much love andsupport.
Giving me so much love andsupport and getting me out of
Scientology.
I try so.
Thank you honey.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
I try.
I appreciate it.
Happy mother's day to all youguys.
I think I think we did it.
I think we did it.
I think we did the whole thingwe did.
I like to put the comments upover the end thingy-dingy, the
outro as we call it in the biz.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
You're going to have to update that, by the way.
It's getting more jarring everyweek.

Speaker 1 (01:15:15):
Oh, because if I put my face right in the middle like
that and then it cuts, to me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
I get weird.
Wait, is that even the same guy?

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
That's a great idea.
I'll just go like this right atthe end.
I'll see if I can match itWe'll say bye.
Okay, say bye.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Bye everybody.
Thanks for joining us.

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