Keeping Scientology Working: The Policy Behind Tom Cruise's Fanaticism - Scientology Secrets #8 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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There we go.
We're going to do something alittle different today.
Yes, We've covered a lot ofdocuments on this channel
Scientology Documents and thisweek I wanted to do something a
little different, because a lotof people talk about this
document, but nobody ever Idon't think anybody ever reads

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it or shows what's in it or theimportance of it.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Or the craziness of it.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Deep dive.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, so there's an event that happened in 2004 in
the in East Grinstead in Englandwhere apostate Alex is causing
all kinds of trouble.
We'll put a link to that.
Alex actually got nominated fora social media award.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
And we'll put a link down to that.
Make sure you go and vote forAlex Barnes-Ross apostate Alex.
But we'll put a link and how tovote for him in there in the
description.
But but this event that tookplace in 2004,.
It was called the InternationalAssociation of Scientologists,
or IAS, and it was a freedommedal.

(06:02):
It's basically they have theirannual event in the UK.
It used to be all over.
I talked about this on a podcastwith Tony Ortega and Alex and a
bunch of underground bunkerfolks.
I'll put a link in that in thedescription as well.
But we got to talking aboutthis and the IAS event used to

(06:23):
be all over the uh, europe in adifferent place each year.
And then in the in the 80s andI want to say basically in the
mid 90s they sort of justfinalized that it would always
be in the uk and the wholepurpose of this event is to get
money from people, um, that arein europe, because scientology

(06:44):
doesn't have a.
There's not really any eventsthat happen throughout the year
in Europe for them to be able toget money from those folks.
Right, and there's lots ofevents in the United States that
happen.
There's seven, but basicallyseven or eight major Scientology
conventions every year, and afew of those are big ones and a

(07:05):
few of those are strictlyfundraising.
They really want to do a lot offundraising at those, and the
IAS event that happens inEngland in October each year is
one of those events.
Now, this is important becausewhen David Miscavige is trying
to get money out of people, he'snot trying to get $10,000.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
He's not trying to get $15,000.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
He's trying to get a million dollars and if he can't
get a million dollars, maybe500,000, like.
But he's not looking for a fewthousand bucks from anybody.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
No.
And that's why he would callTrump change.
Yeah, trump change.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Trump change express, anyway.
So what they want to do, though, is they want to at this event,
the specific purpose of thisevent, and they have this thing.
It's fundraising, but they havethis thing called the IES
freedom medal of honor, orfreedom medal of valor in Tom

(08:05):
Cruise's case, I think that'swhat they call it Right, they
made a special title just forTom Cruise.
Yeah, it was just a FreedomMedal up until that point.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Right yeah, so anyone who won that award was a
Freedom Medal winner.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, and most of the time these people were doing
Scientology outreach likegetting people into passing out
way to happiness books forScientology and getting
thousands and thousands ormillions of way to happiness
books passed out.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Depending on who you ask and changing the language to
you know make it sound betterthan it is.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sure, I doubt anyone ever passed out millions.
A lot of movie magic happeningin these videos we're doing oh
my gosh, now we used to my teamused to produce a lot of these
videos when I worked in thecinematography division and the
events division at Golden EraProductions basically to show

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other Scientologists how muchthese Scientologists are doing,
to shame them into giving money,because they're not going to
spend all year passing that wayto happiness booklets.
They're not going to open adrug rehab facility in Russia
and then do 10 more and doanti-drug lectures.

(09:22):
They're not going to do any ofthat, but they got a couple
bucks in their pocket.
Maybe just give us the money.
If you're not going to do allthis, just give us some money.
The reason I'm setting thisbackdrop is because they
basically are showing thesepeople.
Every year there was threeFreedom Medal winners and

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usually there'd be one.
Maybe there'd be ananti-psychiatry winner, a
Narconon, a drug rehab winner,or Way to Happiness or Applied
Scholastics, which is theireducation facility.
It'd be usually one of thosethings.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, Criminon.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Criminon, exactly the criminal reform and all of
these Criminon Narconon arereally just the Narconon program
in a drug, the purificationrundown and some other
Scientology courses in a drugrehabilitation setting or a
criminal reform setting.

(10:23):
But it's all the sameScientology courses, just
repackaged different ways to toto be it for those specific
things, right.
And then applied scholastics isjust L Run Hubbard's study
technology.
I use the word technologyloosely because that's what they
call it, but um, not that wethink it has anything to do with
technology.

(10:43):
No, and it is strange that useof that word in retrospect, and
the only reason I bring that upis because that's also setting
us up for a bunch of stuff thatwe're going to read.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Anyway, so that you have these people that are being
invited to this event and mostof the people that are being
invited and they're going totravel to this event have got a
few bucks.
You're not flying from italy orspain or copenhagen to go into
the middle of nowhere in englandto hang out for three or four

(11:17):
days right, unless you got.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
So they do bus in people to inflate the attendance
numbers.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
They do, but this is how the event goes.
The first night is the event,yeah, okay, and they might have
some other ancillary events kindof in and around this first
event.
But they have the first eventand then I'm going to go, I'm
going to, I'm going to Mark'scamera for this.
They have the first event,which is the IES event, and

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that's where they give out theseFreedom Medal Awards, and then
the next day is an event calledthe Patrons Ball, and the
patrons those are people whohave at least given $50,000.
It used to be $40,000.
I think they upped it to$50,000.
But that's how you become apatron, right?
It's 50,000?
.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I don't know, used to be 50,000.
Last I knew, yes, they keepmoving the bar.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah, it used to be 50,000.
And when you give them 50,000,you become a patron.
And when you become a patron ofthe IAS, the International
Association of Scientology, thenyou're allowed to attend the
patron ball.
And the patron balls got allthe celebrities and all the, the
Jenna Elfman's and the BodieElfman's and the Danny

(12:32):
Masterson's and the uh, you know, whoever is a celebrity, uh is
there, and usually the richScientologists are obviously
there.
And and it it's like, uh, it'slike a networking group and you
can hang out with the big, bigguns, the big guns, and then, um
, at this event, they getpressured to give more.

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Everybody, if you're there,you're giving money.
It's not.
You're not going there withoutknowing I'm gonna get hit up for
some dough.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Okay so and they get you all riled up the night
before with all this awesomethings that Scientology is doing
and this is what Tom Cruise isdoing and he did this and he did
that and and then it's sort oflike um.
It that's the setup for thisvideo that um Tom Cruise is in,

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where there's a video.
It came out after this eventand it's basically the video
shows David Miscavige talkingabout Tom Cruise a little bit
introing the video, and thenthey they made this video, which
is the freedom metal video, butjust for Tom Cruise.
Right now.
This year we shot three othervideos.

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We were still there when thishappened.
We were in Scientology whenthis happened in 2004.
And there was there wasactually three um metal winners
that we shot.
They did all their stuff.
We shot the videos and thosevideos were going to be at the
event.
They did all their stuff, weshot the videos and those videos
were going to be at the event.

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And then, sort of a few monthsleading up to the event, tom
Cruise did a whole bunch ofstuff with the Ideal Org program
with David Miscavige.
They're doing all kinds ofstuff.
He went to apply the grandopening of an applied
scholastics facility in.
I want to say it was in Kansas,um is in the Midwest somewhere.
Uh, uh, uh, uh uh.
Scientology applied scholasticlike a teacher training center

(14:33):
where they would teach educatorsabout Scientology study
technology and um, hadn't healso gone to the Madrid ideal
org opening that same year.
Yes, and he did.
He went to the.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Which was one of the first.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yeah, and that's another.
I don't even know.
Maybe we'll get into that for asecond.
So Tom Cruise actually changeda lot about how Scientology
operated during the 2000s andthat kind of morphed into what
it is today, right, kind ofmorphed into what it is today,
right, where, um, they used tojust have or Scientology
organizations and strip malls,little podunk little places, and

(15:10):
it'd be next to the between thedog groomer and the spa, the,
the tanning salon or whatever orthe brewery, or whatever and
there's a Scientologyorganization in unit three and
they have a little course roomand sometimes they even have a
sauna in the back and in a stripmall place.
Yep completely well, tom cruiseis shooting movies all over and
now he's really in the early2000s.

(15:32):
He is really getting intoscientology he's jumping on
couches yeah all that he's yeah,and he is going xenu crazy for
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, really good look for Scientology.
Good job, David.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
His space cooties are all in a flutter and anyway.
So he is telling DavidMiscavige man I'm shooting a
movie and I'm trying to.
I want to bring some of thepeople by for the movie, but
your organizations are inbetween the dog groomer and the
tanning salon.
I can't bring them there.

Speaker 2 (16:09):
And let's call a spade a spade.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
They're complete shitholes 100 carpet ruts down
the middle of the hallway.
All that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
Smoke stains on the ceiling, oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
People were smoking in these places full time
Scientologists and Sea Orgmembers.
They love them some cigarettes.
Smoking in these placesfull-time Scientologists and Sea
Org members, they love themsome cigarettes.
So Tom Cruise says why don't wemake?
Why don't I just give you abunch of dough and we'll make?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
a new place in London or wherever I'm going to be
shooting a movie, or New York?

Speaker 1 (16:35):
or Madrid, and then I can bring them to these places.
Well, L Ron Hubbard veryclearly laid out in policies
what's called an H-C-O-P-L, aHubbard Communications Office
policy letter that said we don'tdo that.
We don't buy big old buildingsand spend a lot of on quarters,

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because that's not what peopleare here for.
They're here for theScientology.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Well, Tom Cruise, maybe he didn't read that one,
but he tells me he knew better.
Yeah, he's like hey, you know,you and I, dave, we're the,
we're the rock stars here.
What do we listen to thisFUBTARD for?
Okay, so he tells Dave, we gotto spruce these places up If you
want me to bring in StevenSpielberg in here while we're

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shooting World of the Worlds,you got to think it's got to be
something better than this.
And so that is what.
That is actually how the IdealOrg Scientology, ideal Org
program was born.
Of course, david Miscavigemassaged all these other L Ron
Hubbard writings to make it likeHubbard thought of this.

(17:44):
No, no, him and Tom Cruisecooked this up.
Okay, so they're doing that.
They're doing.
They open Madrid, they open NewYork and they open London,
because those are all placeswhere Tom Cruise is going to be
shooting a movie, where he wantsto bring somebody by, and I

(18:06):
think actually the Spain one was.
I want to say there was aPenelope Cruz connection to that
one, because he was spending alot of time over there and and
by the time the org was done, Idon't even think him and
Penelope were even togetheranymore?
I don't think so, or they brokeup shortly thereafter or some
nonsense like that.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Okay, so.
So that's that I'm trying tothink if there's anything else I
need to set up for this.
You got the IAS event.
You're trying to get some moneyout of these guys.
You got the ideal org program,which Tom Cruise just like we
need to just get.
And oh, the other thing is thatTom Cruise is like I could just
give you.
Every time I make one of thesemovies, every time I make a
Mission Impossible or a War ofthe Worlds or Oblivion or

(18:51):
whatever movies he's doing, he'slike I could just give you the
money.
We could open 10 Ideal Orgsevery single time.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Just pay for them outright.
And there is a rumor I've neverseen the financials, but there
is a rumor that he basicallymade that London one happen.
Tom did.
And then him and Tom got totalking and they were David
Miscavige and Tom Cruise andthey're like well, why don't we
just make the Scientologists payfor it?

(19:19):
Like, why are we paying for it?
Why is Scientology paying forit?
Just make them all pay for it.
And so then what they did was,instead of selling Scientology
auditing and Scientologycounseling what they call
auditing and getting money fromthat and then making a profit
and then saving that money andspending it on all these

(19:40):
buildings, which they havebillions of dollars from doing
that over the years, theybasically just switched over to
like, no, just all these guys togive us the money.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
And the breakdown there is that nobody wants to do
that.
And up until then, I mean, Iremember when in the late 80s we
were doing some stuff withKirstie Alley and she gave
$300,000 to Narconon for theNarconon-Chilocco drug
rehabilitation facility inOklahoma and up until that point

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that was the biggest that was.
There was no bigger donationthan 300,000.
300k from Kirstie Alley, thatwas a lot of dough.
Oh, my light went out.
Oh, shoot, I broke the light.
You did.
I had to put a battery on it.
Shoot.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Oh, that's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (20:36):
We got problems here, folks Dead power supply, okay,
yeah, so 300K was a ton of debt,yeah, and so to get these guys
to give a million dollars, evenKirstie Alley wasn't given a
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Yeah, and again, as you pointed out, up until that
point fundraising was not theirbusiness model.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
Oh yeah, that's the other thing Hubbard said.
Don't do fundraising businessmodel oh yeah, that's the other
thing Hubbard said.
You don't do fundraising, youcan.
He actually said the only thingyou want to take in money for
is courses or counseling.
That's it.
You're not taking in money justfor nothing.
That's in Scientology, andHubbard's eyes that's what's
called out exchange.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
You're getting, you're giving something and
you're getting nothing.
That's called out exchange.
So Hubbard was was specificallyhad outlawed and said you
cannot do this.
This gets us, this will get usinto trouble if you do
fundraising.
So of course, David Miscavigefigured out a way to caress the

(21:45):
something, or they just don'tmention that.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Right, exactly.
They just say, hey, we're justgoing to get money from you guys
.
I mean, he died, hubbard diedin 1986.
So what's he going to do?

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Papa's gone, we can do whatever we want now.
So I think that sets it uppretty good.
They switched over from thisbusiness model of delivering
Scientology courses like how tobecome a counselor, and getting
counseling or auditing, as theycall it in Scientology donations

(22:28):
and then also specificallygetting in donations for the IAS
and getting in donations tobuild their organizations.
Even though Scientology couldprobably very well all of these
organizations that are not idealorganizations and they need a
new building and it needs to berenovated.
Scientology could just pay forall that.
No problem, they could do itright now with all the money
they could have.
All the organizations could bedone.

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But there is one bottleneck andthat is everything has to go
through David Miscavige.
For any single organizationthat gets done, david Miscavige
has to approve the space plan,he has to approve the carpet and
the design design and thetchotchkes to go in the course
room, and that all has to gothrough him.

(23:10):
And I think that truly is thebottleneck of why they don't do
more of these, because they havethe money.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
But they're also trying to get the Scientologists
to pay for it, so those couldbe the two main bottlenecks.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Well, the other factor is, yes, they have the
money in reserves to pay forthat.
But I think most everyexecutive in Scientology,
especially David Miscavige, hisstatistic is money in reserves.
So if they spend all the moneyhis statistic will be down and
can't have that.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
That's a good point.
Claire brings up is that, DavidMuscat, every Sea Org member
and Scientologist that's anemployee or a staff member.
They have what's called astatistic and their success or
failure is tied to the statistic.
If the graph has a certaintrend, then they're in affluence
or they're in power or they'rein normal or whatever.

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But if it's down, they're inemergency or danger or much
worse.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Or non-existence.
Non-existence.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Anyway.
So David Miscavige's personalstatistic is is it Sea Org
Reserves or is it ScientologyReserves?
I think it's Sea Org Reserves.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah, I think Sea Org Reserves yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
And of course that doesn't count the reserves that
the IAS has.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
That's what I'm saying.
That's why I think it's justSea Org Reserves.
The other thing to note is thatthe IAS has a policy that they
never spend the principal.
So if they get in a milliondollars, they're not allowed to
spend that million dollars,right?
So if they get in a milliondollars, they're not allowed to
spend that million dollars,they're only allowed to spend
the interest that the milliondollars creates.
And so that's probably up toseveral hundred million, if not

(24:53):
a billion, in IAS.
And they're only spending theinterest.
They never are allowed to spendthe principal.
This is key to know.
Okay, so what's this policywe're going to do?
It's called keeping Scientologyworking, and this policy is a
policy that Tom Cruise.
I put a link in the descriptionto this, but there's this

(25:14):
turtleneck video of him yappingin the video that they made.
Oh shoot, I forgot about tellyou about the other two videos
we can tell.
I'll tell you about the othertwo videos real quick.
It's not going to take foreverto read this video, this policy
letter.
So there were two videos thatwere made that were the
predecessors to the video whichyou can actually see on the

(25:36):
interwebs, and the first videowas shot by, I want to say,
larry Jacobs, yep, by, I want tosay, larry Jacobs.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
Okay, so there was a photographer, a videographer, a
video team called a guy namedLarry Jacobs.
Larry Jacobs had shot, I wantto say he probably shot 50% of
all the IS metal winner videosfor years.
He was one of the guys.
It was him and a guy namedFrank Fenn.
They were the two video teamleaders and they produced almost

(26:06):
all of these Freedom MetalWinter videos for years.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
Yeah, they were gone from the base most of the time,
traveling all over the world toshoot those videos.

Speaker 1 (26:16):
Yeah, and they shot other videos as well, but that
was the main videos that thesetwo guys did.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
And so the first idea was that we're going to
interview Steven Spielberg andWill Smith and anybody who's
worked with Tom Cruise, andwe're going to get them to tell
us how awesome Tom Cruise is.
Yes, so they shoot this videoand this video is being edited,
and then David Miscavige sees it.
He's like why are you askingcelebrities about Tom Cruise?

(26:43):
Nobody gives a shit about theseguys.
They're not Scientologists.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
And so then, I think, larry Jacobs, he flies the coop
, he blows, he escapes Yep, theyget him back, and he went to
the RPF and I don't think weever saw him ever again.
Last next time I saw him was 10years later, and he had white
hair.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
That's a fact.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Wow, that's a fact.
Okay, there you go.
Okay, second video.
The second video is shot by agal named Sadie, and Sadie
worked for me for many, manyyears as the assistant cameraman
.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
And she was on the film team.
Well, she became a video teammember.
I don't remember why, but sheended up.
She really wanted to direct andact and do everything, but she
wanted to direct and shoot oneof these videos and so her video
was celebrities again, but itwas Scientology celebrities, so

(27:38):
they shot the Elfman's Bodie andJenna Elfman, kirstie Alley.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
Erica Christensen, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
Danny Masterson.
They shoot all the celebritiesin Scientology and again they're
editing it.
Or David Miscavige catches windof it.
He's like why are you shootingScientology celebrities?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
These guys.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
David Miscavige had nothing nice to say about
majority of those recordingshe's like what isenna elfman
ever done for scientology?

Speaker 1 (28:07):
what is michael pina ever done for scientology?
These celebrities inscientology, they do nothing for
scientology.
They're useless and they'recertainly not buying and paying
for ideal organizations.
So that video gets scrapped.
And then eventually Sadie alsoleaves the Sea organization and

(28:30):
I've talked about this before.
I mean, it is what it is.
Sadie always wanted to be anactress and do all these things,
and that career opportunity wasstolen by her being in the Sea
organization for 30 years.
So when she left, she did allthose things.
And if you want to Google, justsay depends ad Sadie.

(28:53):
That's all you need to searchfor and you can see Sadie.
It is actually Sadie.
The name of the ad is calleddepends Sadie, but her and her
husband, husband Axel, who usedto be a lighting technician, are
in this commercial.
I think it might even be theirkid in the commercial, but she's
running around, she's at thepark, she's doing all sorts of

(29:15):
activities she got nothing toworry about because she's got
her Depends on.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Nice.
Well, at least she got the heckout of the Sea Org.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
She did get out of the Sea Org and she got a
commercial.
I mean, it is what it is.
It's a Depends commercial andit may be the most embarrassing
thing that she's ever done, butthey got paid, that's all that
matters.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Okay, so David Miscavige is basically like you
guys don't get it.
Tom Cruise is on another level,of levels he created, created,
he creates realities and hecreated.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
This reality of tom cruise is the best and baddest
scientologist I think miscavigebelieved that tom cruise was the
second most ethical being onthe planet 100 he's, he told us
I know of course every seermember had to call mr cruise sir
, and if they did not, they wentto the rehabilitation project
force.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Anyway.
So Tom Cruz, he was an honorarySea Org member.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, he really was.
Which there is such a.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, any celebrity is really an honor.
They automatically are anhonorary Sea Org member whether
they know it or not, there is apolicy.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
So many people are recruited to join the sea
organization but, of course, acelebrity who has influence and
pull to get unsuspectingcivilians lured into the cult of
scientology, they should stayin their role as celebrity and
be honorary members of the seaorganization that's right, okay,

(30:40):
so david miscavige is basicallylike you guys don't understand.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Tom Cruise is basically the next most
dedicated Scientologist besidesmyself.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
David Miscavige.
Yes, so he's like I don't carewhat Steven Spielberg thinks
about Tom Cruise.
I don't care what EricaChristensen or Michael Peena
care about Tom Cruise.
The only person who knows howawesome Tom Cruise is is Tom
Cruise.
He's the only person that canaccurately tell you how awesome

(31:14):
Tom Cruise is.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
Nothing says humble pie better than that, huh.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
So this video I want to say it was.
It was shot by the maincameraman for the film team.
His name was john gonzalez yep,he was the cameraman, and I
want to say seth price oranother sound guy was there, and
then I think maybe one lightingperson and and that was it

(31:39):
really.
Maybe a makeup, I think maybesarnie, or sarnie wiley or sam
samantha brown, uh, samanthasilcock, samantha mayfield,
whatever her current name isjared mayfield I think so damn I
can't remember somebodywhatever yeah uh, was it anyway,
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
There's a lot of.
There's a lot of multiplemarriage gals there.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Um, anyway, uh, they shoot this video and it's just
Tom and them and then they justroll on Tom and Tom just tells
whatever he wants to talk about,about how awesome Tom is and
how he feels.
Well, in this video he talksabout this policy letter.
This is key because he'sbasically Tom Cruise is

(32:26):
basically telling he knows whatthis video is.
He's going to get an award fora Freedom Medal and the people
that are going to watch this arerich Scientologists.
So you have to think about that.
If you go and watch the videolink in the description, if you
go and watch this tom cruisewinter video, you've got to
think about the people that he'stalking to are rich

(32:49):
scientologists that davidmiscavige is trying to get a few
million dollars out of each ofthem.
Yes, they're not going tobecome a movie star.
They're not going to do alltalk about scientology with
oprah and uh, matt lauer and allthese.
No, they're just going to givea bunch of money because they're
not going to do any of that.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
Right.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Okay.
So the reason why I wanted totalk about this is so you can
see how Tom Cruise and basicallyDavid Miscavige custom modified
Scientology for Tom Cruise.
But Tom Cruise helped him dothat by saying listen, I know
you're going to give me thisaward.
I'm going to talk about allthis stuff and guess who's going

(33:32):
to edit this video?
It ain't going to be theediting people, it's going to be
David Miscavige.
The video it's, I know it seemssort of chopped up and abrupt
and the cuts are weird and allthat.
This video was massaged andmicro edited by David Miscavige
for days and days and days.

(33:54):
He got a transcript of theentire footage that was shot
with Tom Cruise and he literallyjust highlighted the words that
he wanted said and they justcut that in to a video and they
moved it all around.
So it would basically be likeand you, you, when you listen to
the video, he says you knowyou're either in it or you're

(34:17):
out.
You're either in the game oryou're out of the stadium, or
you know whatever he says inthere.
And he is basically tellingthese millionaire Scientologists
you're, you're not doing shitright now.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Right, I'm doing this , I'm shooting movies, I'm doing
this and I did all thisScientology nonsense on top of
being Tom Cruise stud muffinnumber one which is which, by
the way, is exactly the samenarrative that David Miscavige
carried to all of management I'mdoing everything and you guys
are schmuckos, but you remindedme, david Miscavige even

(34:57):
recorded all the VOs, exactlyhow it wanted to be said, and
then had them recorded to matchto every word and inflection and
everything you're right in thevideo.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
So david miscavige gets up and says I want to
introduce you to somebody who isjust only two inches taller
than me and but very awesome,maybe almost as awesome as me
the most dedicated scientologist.
And and then there is a smalllittle video section which is
just footage, and there's avoiceover, a VO over that

(35:33):
section of the video, and it's aguy named Jeff Pomerantz and he
has been a Scientology eventvideo narrator for decades and
he goes join us now for theShrine.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Auditorium.
What's the name of the guy thatdoes it for UFC?

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Bill Buffer.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, so he's like that guy for Scientology right.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Is it Bill Buffer or?

Speaker 2 (35:59):
I don't know.
Sorry, I didn't mean to throw awrench in the works.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Yeah, why are you doing that?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
He's that guy.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Bruce Buffer.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
Bill I think Bill is his brother that does boxing.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
It's the closest example to what Scientology
events are like.
That's all.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, join us now.
And he does hang on that lastword.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
At the International Association of.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
Scientologists.
Anyway, I should have been onme for that, but I wasn't.
You should have Anyway it was alot of face contorting to do
that Anyway.
So David Miscavige introduceshim and then Jeff Pomerantz does
that VO and David Miscavigelegitimately recorded Jeff

(36:42):
Pomerantz's entire voiceovertrack and Jeff Pomerantz had to
match that exactly with theinflection of the words.
And that's how much when peoplesay, when I tell people David
Miscavige micromanages this,right, that's the level of
micromanaging.
David Miscavige recorded thevoiceover in a studio or

(37:04):
recorded it, and then they hadto play it for the voiceover
artist so that he would matchthat exactly right, because
there's nothing that happens inscientology without david
muscavige's direction, approval,knowledge of and involvement in
, that's fair to say.
Yeah, Anyway.
So the video sets up who betterto tell you about how awesome

(37:29):
Tom Cruise sucks than Tom Cruise?
So they play the video and TomCruise talks about there.
He basically says you're eitherin or you're out.
I don't do anything half, I'mall all the way, I'm a hundred
percent.
And it's just beating in thisthing of you're either doing it
or you're not doing it, oryou're in or you're out.

(37:52):
Don't do anything half.
This isn't, for it's not easy.
You know you have to do it.
All of these things and theseare what are called buttons.
And when you're trying to getsome money out of a
Scientologist and they don'twant to give it to you, you push
these buttons and make themfeel guilty that they got a few
10, 15, $20 million sittingaround and they ain't given 19

(38:15):
of it.
The Scientology, it's justdoing nothing.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, and very specifically, they push the help
button.
That's what they're doing.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
You need help.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
We need your help, the world needs your help, the
planet needs your help.
Every man, woman and child onthis planet needs your help.
Everybody you must help.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Yeah, and these buttons are all in this.
Basically, david Miscavige tookI don't know a few hours worth
of footage and he chomped itdown to a several minute little
diatribe from Tom Cruise of allof these buttons.
And he even says in there youknow what I'm doing as much as I
can.

(38:55):
I need some help.
Are you going to help?
You know you're the only onethat can help.
All these things are in thisvideo.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Are you really doing everything you can to help right
now?
Yeah, or can you do more?

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Okay, now that gets us to the policy Finally.
I know it took 40 minutes toget there, but we get to this
policy.
The policy is called keepingScientology working.
Now, this court, this policyletter.
No matter what you do inScientology, you have to read
this policy letter at thebeginning of every single course

(39:29):
, even if you've already read itbefore.
Yes, you have to read it again.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
Yes, hubbard mandated that at the beginning of every
major training course inScientology.
This was to be the very firstpolicy letter and specifically,
it's Keeping Scientology Workingseries number one.
It's the, you know, really oneof the founding.
It sets the tone and directiveof your training in Scientology.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Yeah, sometimes people say that Dianetics is
sort of like the Bible ofScientology.
I disagree with that completely.
Dianetics was written in 1950,and it was basically just
Hubbard throwing some shit atthe wall and he had this whole
thing about the engrams aremaking you do things you don't
want to do, the subconsciousmind and all this other stuff

(40:19):
and very shortly, I would saywithin 10 or 15 years, he had
evolved into space cooties.
The space cooties were thethings that were doingology
working is the most importantsingle document that

(40:46):
Scientologists consider.
They have to follow that nomatter what.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yep absolutely.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
Whatever you do, you cannot not do KSW, and even so
much so that a lot of coursesthat you do in Scientology not
only do you have to read this,sometimes you have to do a
demonstration with clay at theclay table.
You have to do lots ofdemonstrations about how the
policy would apply to whatevercourse you're doing, and then in

(41:14):
some courses you actually haveto memorize the entire 10 points
of keeping Scientology.
You have to.
Basically, someone just sayswhat are the 10 points of
keeping Scientology working, andyou just have to rattle them
all off and you can't go to thenext thing on your course.
Until you can do that withoutlooking at it, just from your
memory, you have to read the 10points.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Getting the correct technology applied consists of
one having the correcttechnology to knowing the
technology.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
That's enough, babe.
You're freaking people out.
Yeah, look at that guys.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Sorry.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I wish I could get rid of it.
You're triggering me, honey.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
Holy moly, guys, this is what I got to deal with.
You see what I'm saying.
She's been pre-programmed.
I got to undo a lot of thisprogramming anyway.
So let's read this thing.
Yep, let's get to it.
Um, do I have?
A?
Um?
Oh, there, it is okay.
Oh, let me go back one becausethis is so, just so.
You guys, this is a standardpolicy letter in scientology.

(42:13):
Some of you may be new here.
Some of this is 50 of thepeople that watch our channel
are not subscribed and don'tnormally watch our channel.
So you, you, half of you arenew, so welcome.
Yeah, welcome.
Welcome to the crazy terrain.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
So I'm not going to read.
You know, I will say whenthere's another thing that you
have to do with.
A lot of people have to do,like if you do something wrong
and you get in trouble, youmight have to do what's called a
method nine word clearing ofKSW and you have to read this
entire thing from start tofinish with another person

(42:49):
sitting across from you watchingyou, and if you blink or you
fidget or you scratch your armor you stumble on a word or you,
hesitate or you hesitate forhalf a beat.
The person that's sitting acrossfrom you will say, uh, okay,
let's stop right.
There.
Is there a word or symbol thatyou didn't fully understand?

Speaker 2 (43:06):
that's it.
Is there a word or symbol thereyou didn't fully understand?
And it's not.
No, it's not an answer, by theway yeah, you know, you're gonna
find a misunderstood wordyou're gonna find one you're not
gonna keep reading until youclear a word and you read every
definition, use every definitionin sentences, clear the
derivation, look up any idioms,use those in sentences and so

(43:30):
forth.
And yet you're right.
This is very often method nineword clearing is very often part
of an ethics handling.
So they'll say you have tomethod nine word clear keeping.
Scientology, working seriesnumber one.
In fact, there were many timesDavid Miscavige ordered
everybody on the entire base tome.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I remember doing it at least like five or six times
oh, I did it.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I had to method nine word, clear this policy easily
30 times and being in religioustechnology center, because
keeping scientology working wasa part of the purpose of so we
had to Chinese school those 10points every day for eight years
.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
There you go, guys.
That's why she's the way she isnow probably Okay.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
That's why I'm recovering from being the way I
was.
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
Okay, so I'm just going to kind of take you
through this.
This is the way all policyletters are.
I just want to kind of take youthrough this.
This is the way all policyletters are.
I just want to kind of set itup because people are like this
is kind of weird, right?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Yes, it is, and it's green on white, which is policy
letters.
Technical bulletins are red onwhite.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Yes, and Sea Org flag orders are black on white.
They have a whole format foreverything.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Okay, so it says hubbard communications office st
hill, manor, east grinstead,sussex, hco policy letter of 7
february 1965, reissued 15 june1970.
Re-mimeo st hill studentsassociation org, sec hat k soup,
hat d's of p, hat d's of t, hatstaff member hat franchise,

(45:03):
issued may 1965.
Now that was pretty fuckingrock solid for an m9.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
I just feel bad for everybody listening.
That's like what, what?

Speaker 1 (45:14):
now this first section.
This is the date, okay.
And then when it says re-mimeo,you're right.
They're using mimeos up inscientology, not copy machines.
Freaking mimeos up inScientology, not copy machines,
freaking mimeos.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
In fact, copy machines are not allowed.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Hubbard said that you weren't allowed to make more
than 10 copies because it wasprohibitively expensive and also
they were on a ship in themiddle of the ocean and there
wasn't an Office Depot bargejust floating by, so they only
could use like a freaking can oftoner back in 65 or 1970.

(45:51):
It was like $7,000.
So they used ink and they usedMimeos.
If it was more than 10 copiesit had to go on a Mimeo.
Now I tell you, at the Int Base, fast forward to 2000, the year
2000, at the base you couldn'tmake a copy that was more than
10 copies.
If you had a formula, like ifyou had a liability formula, you

(46:12):
had to pass out to two, 300people to get signed.
You had to get it platesprinted and Mimeo the fricking
thing in the year 2000.
Okay, so this just means thatthis is just the distribution of
this policy letter, which issort of a moot point at this
point because it basically everysingle Scientologist everywhere

(46:34):
has to read it on every singlecourse, regardless of what this
says, and that's basically whyit says St Hill students.
That's how it essentially gotonto the courses.
And then, somewhere along theline, Hubbard just said you got
to do this as part of everycourse.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
Yep, so really it's just those.
Those are all just titles inorganizations, and even
franchise is not used anymore.
Yeah, that's like what amission is called now, like
beginning introduction, you know, yeah, that's the other thing.
Get into Scientology.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Scientology evolves over the years, but the policy
letters don't.
So, even though those thingsaren't called that anymore.
And there's another policyletter that says we're not
calling these franchises anymore, we're calling them missions
Well, you can't change a policyletter from the past, so it
still says what Hubbard said itwas going to supposed to say.
Now I wanted to show thisbecause this policy letter is

(47:26):
also one of the very few policyletters that I know of that has,
like one of these big warningsat the front of it.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yeah, you want me to read it.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, you can read this one, babe.
Good job, here we go, let's see, let's see if she flunks, we're
going to, if she stumbles ordoes anything that should be a
flunk, I'm going to actuallystop her and flunk her in the
middle of it.
Let's see.
Let's see how she does.

Speaker 2 (47:47):
So lovely Note.
Neglect of this policy letterhas caused great hardship on
staffs, has cost countlessmillions and made it necessary
in 1970 to engage in an all outinternational effort to restore
basic Scientology over the world.
Within five years after theissue of this policy letter with
me off the lines violation hadalmost destroyed orgs.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Okay, now I'm going to stop you there.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
I didn't stumble.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
You said policy letter and you didn't read PL.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Oh, come on now.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Would that be a flunk ?
Yeah, it would be See, I'mtelling you, guys, I did it for
the benefit of those listening.
I know, but we're doing a mockM9 right now, Anyway.
So if she did read policyletter instead of PL, as it's
shown in the documents, thatwould legitimately be a flunk.
Okay, I'm going to pretend thatyou didn't do that and I'm

(48:40):
going to let you continue on it.
Quickie grades.
You Pretend that you didn't dothat and I'm going to let you
continue on it.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Quickie grades Go ahead and start it.
Quickie grades Quote.
Quickie grades unquote.
Entered in and denied gains totens of thousands of cases.
Therefore, actions whichneglect or violate this policy
letter are high crimes resultingin COMEVs committees of
evidence On administrationadministrators.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh you so flunky.
You said CommEvs and then yousaid what CommEvs were, and then
you just boofed it right there.
Is there a word or symbol therethat you don't fully understand
?
Anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Our high times, resulting in CommEvs on
administrators and executives.
It is not quote entirely a techmatter.
Unquote as its neglect destroysorgs and caused a two-year
slump.
It is the business of everystaff member to enforce it.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Okay, now I did want to point something out.
This is the first sentence ofthe policy letter in the note,
and it's all about money,basically saying, this neglect
of this policy letter has costus countless millions.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Right.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
This is about money, guys.
That's all it's ever been about.
Yep, that's all it's about is.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's the business model of Scientology is money
money, money and control andleverage and destroying families
and hurting people and wellthose are just all the.
That's's just the that's just awake.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
That's what's left in the wake of trying to drum up
the do-re-mi.
Yep, okay, now let's go to thenext page.
Okay, this is right below thatwhere it says all levels.
That's just right below that.
Note yeah, policy letters areon legal size paper and they
don't really fit the YouTubewide format.

Speaker 2 (50:23):
No, they don't.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So we had to break this one into chunks so you
could read it properly.
Okay, so it says all levelskeeping Scientology working,
hcosec, which is the HubbardCommunications Office Secretary,
and that person is the divisionhead of HCO which has
department one, two and three,which is let me see if I can do

(50:44):
it, department one iscommunication nope, oh routing
in person routing and personnel.
Department two is communicationand department three is
inspections and reports.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
There you go, and inspection and reports is like
the police of the organizationyeah, in fact it's called HCO
because HCO has the authority ofHubbard to enforce ethics and
policy on the entireorganization.
They are within anyorganization.
They are the police arm of thatorganization.

(51:15):
Remember that they had thepolicy on HCO bring order.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Yes, that's another policy, babe.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
I know Okay, but it's relevant for context sure you
say so.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
Okay, so the hco area sec or the hco sec is it's and
it's now it's called the hcoarea sec, right uh, yes, yeah,
hco area, yes exactly see, Iknow my stuff here, guys.
Um, sec or communicator, hatcheck on all personnel and new
personnel has taken on.
That's another thing thatthey've had to do.

(51:49):
If you were on staff or youwere in the C-ORG, somebody from
HCO could just say, hey, mark,let me talk to you for a second.
You'd be like, oh, what's up?
And they go.
I'm just going to give you ahat check right now on the KSW
and they just do just a spotquiz on ksw in the middle,
middle of tell me the 10 pointsof keeping scientology working.
You're in the middle ofpackaging cds and somebody wants

(52:09):
to know what are the 10 pointsof keeping scientology working
and if you stumble for a long,and then you got to go read it.
Right.
Then they don't.
They're.
They're not like I'll come back.
They're like no, I'll be backin an hour.
Read it now and come back.
And I want to know whatmisunderstood words you found.
Yes, okay, so it basically justsays a bunch of mumbo jumbo,
hubbard, and he's talking.

(52:31):
He basically says in thispolicy letter that any failures
in Scientology, any.
This policy letter is pages andpages.
Guys.
We're not going to read thewhole thing.
It's just, I was thinking wewould read the whole thing and
then when I pulled it out I waslike, oh no, this is going to.
This will take six hours.
I want to do a 10 part videoseries to read this one policy.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Yeah, it's going to hurt our brain.
Yeah, you can get your Googletake a week off after doing that
.
I can get your Google food onand you can just look up this
little journey of a gem righthere and but yeah, like you said
, it is very important tounderstand that every
Scientologist had has read thispolicy letter many, many times

(53:10):
100%, yeah, and it.

Speaker 1 (53:12):
And I really would say, no matter what you ask a
Scientologist, they will knowthis Correct.
Of any other, they might notknow a counseling technology.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
They might not know about Xenu.
They might not know counselingtechnology.
They might not know about Xenu.
They might not know about bodythetans.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
They will know about this.
And this is Tom Cruise's mantra.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Completely.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
This is his sort of.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (53:35):
His code is built in this policy letter is his whole
life.
Is this code?
Yeah, I do think this code?

Speaker 2 (53:46):
yeah, I do think my.
My opinion is that ourfollow-up part two of this
should be just playing somesnippets of that video, of the
tom cruise video and yeah I'mreacting to it and talking
through it okay, we'll see aboutthat.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
I don't know, I don't like to show.
I'll tell you guys, every timeI do a video of somebody else's
we get, youtube just gets allover us, and I mean we, even
though it's we're commenting onit, and we're I just don't over
us.
And I mean we, even though it'swe're commenting on it and
we're re.
I just don't like doing it.
So you guys go watch the video.
And if you guys go watch thevideo, maybe we'll just read the
little quotes and then we'llreact to it, or maybe we'll

(54:14):
react to it.
It gets demonetized, whatever,I don't give a shit, it'll be
worth it.
Tell you what we'll do it.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
If it gets demonetized, ok, then it was my
fault, trevor said Mark andClaire reading KSW so we don't
have to.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Yeah, exactly, ok.
Ok.
Religions, governments,capitalism, communism, socialism
, how all that never worksbecause they don't have the
correct technology Right.

(54:51):
And when you hearScientologists talking about
technology, technologytechnology, study technology,
humanitarian technology, drugrehabilitation technology, it's
from this.
This is where they, this iswhere this has been.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
I will say.
There are a few choicesentences in this policy letter
that talk about, for example,the whole agonized future of
this planet, every man, womanand child depend on what you do
here and now with and inScientology.
I mean it's insanity.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, it's insanity that you knew.
You basically read that entirething perfectly verbatim and
like I said I wish I could undoit, but I can't.
Okay, we're going to get to thejuicy bit.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Yeah, let's get to the juicy bit.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
These are the 10 points of Scientology.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
And see I even had the beginning sentence correct.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
Getting the correct technology applies.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
One having the correct technology.
So of course Hubbard gave, gaveus, gave Scientologists I don't
want to say us, because that's.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
He didn't give it to us.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
He didn't give it to us.
And we didn't take it it to usand we didn't take it um so gave
scientology.
He gave scientologists thecorrect technology.
Yeah, one and only technology.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Whenever he says technology, just replace that
with scientology.
That's basically what it is.
So, having the correcttechnology yes, scientology.
Two, knowing the technology,knowing scientology, knowing it
is correct yes, scientology iscorrect.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Meaning never questioning it, never having a
critical thought, neverviolating any of the rules,
never talking bad about anyone.
Well, no, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
As we go down you'll see.
Basically, you're gettingbrainwashed.
First you have to have thetechnology, then you have to
know it, then you have to knowthat it is correct.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Then you have to teach correctly the correct
technology Right, which is nowthat is now.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
You have to proselytize it to other people.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
But that's now bringing it in to the
organization and how they studyit and how they train other
people on how to do it.
And then five, applying thetechnology.
So if you know that Scientologyis the best thing since sliced
bread, but you're not doing it,then that means you're not
applying Scientology to yourlife.
Like if you have a failingbusiness.

(57:17):
It's like hey, what's wrongwith you?
You have the, you have all thetechnology to have a successful
business.
You're not.
You're not doing that.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
You're out KSW.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
You're supposed to be giving us a million bucks and
you don't even have a pot topiss in right now.
You got to get your shittogether.
Yep, let's get, let's get,let's get on it.
Get on the stick, jack.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yep.
Then six is seeing that thetechnology is correctly applied,
so enforcing on yourself, yourlife, your friends, your family,
anyone you're associated orconnected with, that they are
doing Scientology, learningScientology, applying
Scientology.
All of that Yep.

(57:54):
Seven hammering out ofexistence incorrect technology.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
That's right Now.
That is anything that is notScientology.

Speaker 2 (58:03):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
People have to understand that.
So when Tom Cruise is talkingshit about psychiatrists, it's
because that is incorrecttechnology, and anything that is
not Scientology-based isincorrect technology.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Or even doing something not exactly as it's
written in the policy, thenyou're squirreling.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
That's right and you're out KSW.
If the policy letter says yourdaughter is an SP because she's
connected to her mom, that's anSP.
You've got to disconnect, right, you cannot not do that.
Yes, even though if you're TomCruise you could get away with
doing that.
But you know you're the onlyone that can truly help and
you've got to apply KSW.

(58:47):
So you gots to get rid of thoseSP family members.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
Okay, what's the last ones?
You weren't hammering I thinkOkay.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
Eight knocking out incorrect applications.
Nine closing the door on anypossibility of incorrect
technology.
Ten closing the door onincorrect application.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Okay.
So now, if you are aScientologist and you do
Scientology in an aberrated orway other than the policy
letters or the HCL bulletinsdictate, then you are applying
it incorrectly incorrectapplication of Scientology, and
also because you're not doing itright.

(59:31):
That's also incorrect.
It's incorrectly so it's anincorrect technology.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Right, or if it's not getting the expected result.
That's also an example.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
And people who do that are in two categories.
They're called squirrels, theyactually hubbard.
Actually, if you alter or doscientology in a way that is not
on policy or as hubbarddictated, they call that
squirreling.
Yep, okay, and that's why whenthey were going after marty
rathbun, when marty rathbunoriginally left, he was like

(01:00:03):
David Miscavige is a shit stain.
He's doing this all wrong.
I actually know what Hubbardwanted and he wanted it this way
and they sent the squirrelbusters.
You can look this up on theinternet, I'm not making this up
.
He sent the squirrel busters togo after Marty and they have
squirrels on their t-shirt witha red X through it, the red line

(01:00:24):
through it, yeah, which was acampaign.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
By the way, it's not even a new campaign.
That was from the 80sSquirrelbusters.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
Yeah, squirrelbusters .

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
They had the squirrels with the red circle on
it.
That's where that originatedfrom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Can't make this stuff up, guys, come on.
Oh my gosh, guys, come on.
Okay.
So this policy letter, this istom cruise's bible.
If anybody wants to know what'sgoing through that dude's head,
at least 10 points of keepingscientology working.
And if you watch the video, theturtleneck video, he actually
talks about ksw.
At least once or twice in thevideo he says you know it's like

(01:01:01):
ksw, you gotta either you'redoing it or you're not.
And there is actually thefunniest video.
I can't remember who it was.
I think it was jerry o'connell,a comedian act, a comedic actor
.
Yeah, he did a spoof video.
There was a lot of spoof videos, yeah we should do a video
about the spoof videos.

(01:01:22):
Yes, some of the spoof videosare amazing, but in jerry o'con.
he's like you know, it's like,it's like KFC you got to get,
you got to get a bucket, youknow you got to get the family
meal, you know.
Anyway, there's a whole bunchof them.
And also he's like you create,create your own realities.
There's one of the guys who didit.

(01:01:42):
It was for a movie called Ithink it was called the fly, I
can't remember.
It was like a fake ad that theydid for this movie.
And the guy goes you know, Icould.
I could create planets.
I've eaten planets, I've hadplanets.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Don't forget the other part of that Tom Cruise
video that was so outrageous andthat the public, the people in
general, were like what the heckcrazy town is this?
It was the whole thing about.
There's an accident.
Yeah, yeah, you know, you'rethe only you're the only person
that can help and people arelike what about paramedics?

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
They're like what about the ambulance?
They?
Can't freaking help.
They don't think I'll put youon a stretcher.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
You're the only person that can help.
Really, Are you sure about they?
Can't freaking help?
They don't think I'll put youon a stretcher.
You're the only person that canhelp really, are you sure about
that it?
Was the best.
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
So the fallout from this video basically created
Anonymous going afterScientology.
That's what created that wholemovement.
Was this one video being takenoff the internet, which it
didn't even get taken off theinternet?
I think Mark Bunker took itdown because he had to change
something and then Anonymouswent wild.
Anyway, it's Jerry O'Connell.
I saw somebody in there saidJeremy, it's Jerry O'Connell.

(01:02:50):
I think he even has.
I think he's still doing stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I think we can take that policy down now.
By the way, you think so?

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
Yeah, okay, gosh, golly, gee, willikers, batman,
sorry, anyway, I batman sorry,um, anyway, I wanted to let you
guys know the backstory besidesthat.
But behind that tom cruiseturtleneck video um, also this
year, 2004, in july I don'tthink people know this either in

(01:03:16):
july or yeah, july, or it wasjuly.
It was july because TomCruise's birthday is in July.
Scientology threw a $300,000 to$500,000 birthday party.
It cost Scientology $500,000 tothrow a birthday party for Tom

(01:03:37):
Cruise on this cruise shipcalled the Freewinds.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
It's more like a boat .
Yeah, it's not her people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Yeah, I mean, we've been on cruises and when the
cruise ship a real cruise shippulls up against the free winds,
it might as well be a tugboat.
But yeah, they threw a party forhim and there's a video of him
at this party dancing andsinging and all that that got
leaked on the Internet, I don'tknow.

(01:04:06):
And and then there's a videothat's on our channel which you
can look up, which is where TomCruise and David Miscavige it's
right after he just did you gotthat old time rock and roll.
Yep, tom Cruise did a wholedance set, did the splits, mid
dance, did all this stuff.
Right after that birthday partythey went backstage to the

(01:04:26):
green room and there's a videoon our channel.
Right when they get back therethey're giving Tom a standing
ovation and applauding him forhim having his birthday party
there, like, and that he did themost amazing performance in the
world by singing the old timerock and roll.
Anyway, you can look up that.
We'll put that in the link aswell.
But that birthday partyhappened just a few months

(01:04:51):
before the turtleneck video.
And so Dave and Tom in 2004,they were on a year long
bromance because Dave was goingto.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
That's why David Miscavige had to find him a wife
to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
A girlfriend.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
Gently break it off, take it easy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
They wanted to find him a girlfriend first.
Sure, that is when, and when hewas at the IAS event, he was
still with Nazanin Bonati.
He was still with her when theydid the when in October and by
December January they werealready working on Katie Holmes.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Yeah, but there was a different lady in the in the
audience.
I thought with him, for the atthe actual event with Naz was
was right before that thoughthat's right in october.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
But yeah, for the event.
I think it was a yolanda yacara, I can't remember her name yeah
anyway, it was some otherspanish, uh, because now he was
doing some stuff in spain, um,and then before that was
penelope, blah, blah, blah.
But for this year 2004 and 2005were like serious bromance, like
for sure, going to real madridgames and hanging out with david

(01:06:05):
beckham and tom cruise in thestands with him and connor and
the kid and you know, and and uhand shelly wasn't in a lot of
these pictures.
It lorise was in a bunch andshelly was in a few she was
definitely in in 2004.
Still in the picture, yes, butyeah but then in 2005 and in
2006, when these pictures arecoming out, shelley's not in any

(01:06:26):
of them, it's just Larisse asassistant.
Yeah, anyway, we could tell youall kinds of behind the scenes
Tom Cruise dirt, but we wantedto tell you why he, where he
gets the Tom Cruise crazy eyes.
It's from this policy letterand it's from this is basically
how they got all that.
Oh, and by the way they gotmillions and millions of dollars

(01:06:48):
from playing this video to theScientologist, because this was
one Tom Cruise had done thatapplied scholastics opening and
that was the only thing he wasin really where he was a
Scientologist talkingScientology, and even that was
that was really only thing hewas in really where he was a
scientologist talkingscientology, and even that was
was that was really meant forthe public, for the mass public,
so it didn't have a lot ofscientologies in it.

(01:07:08):
This video is the very firstvideo that went out to
scientologists where tom cruiseis speaking scientologies.
Right, and so they were justlike, oh, I heard he was a
Scientologist, but I never seenhim.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
This is the real deal .
Now he's woo-woo.
Oh, and let's not forget theother choice sentence from KSW.
Number one from this policyletter is the whole thing about
turn that wandering.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
Wandering, wandering gaze into a dedicated glare Into
a fixed dedicated glare.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
Only the tigers survive all of that nonsense.
So yeah, fanaticism defined isexactly what Keeping Scientology
Working, series number one,very clearly outlines.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Yeah, you got it.
Yep, Do we want to do?
I've been covering my face, mybeautiful face, up with the
microphone.
You're flowing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Maine it's doing good guys.
I mean, I've been getting myface, my beautiful face, up with
the microphone.
You're flowing Maine.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
It's doing good guys.
I mean I've been getting ittrimmed and everything.
It's still.
I'm going for Santee Claus byDecember.
I think I could pull it off.
Do we want to do some giveaways?

Speaker 2 (01:08:12):
Yeah, and then yeah, well, let's, yeah, let's do a
giveaway.
Then we can go run through somequestions.
Yeah, and then do one lastgiveaway.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
We've been away for a week or two guys, we were doing
vacation stuff, we weretraveling.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
All kinds of stuff We've been busy, little bees.
So it's been a very, very busysummer.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
Throw in a few extra minutes for this one, we'll see
what we can do.
Yep, what are we doing then?
85 people, guys, 85 comments.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Remember to oh no.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
Could be more comments, but 85 people.
Yes, I'm sorry, if you'rewatching on X or Facebook or
some of those other platforms, Ithink the comments only come in
on YouTube.
So if you want to enter, ifyou're watching on X or if
you're watching on Facebook andyou're like why do I never get
picked?
It's because the way thealgorithm no no, the streaming

(01:09:05):
platform only picks the YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
It has nothing to do with the algorithm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:09):
Okay, whatever?

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
She's making up stories now guys, I meant to
enter.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
you have to type a comment into the YouTube
platform.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
There you go.
Is that better?
Yes, and to be fair, thecomments do help the algorithm,
but they have nothing to do withthe giveaway.
Okay, let me get up onto theother screen.
Here I've got a whole systemwhere I've got another screen
over here that's above thecamera that I'm supposed to be
looking at.
Okay, I'm doing the draw.
Oh, you guys can see it.
I'm hitting the draw button.
We'll do two.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
No, I said we're doing one, then we're going to
answer questions and then we'regoing to do another one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
at the end I hit the button guys, it's happening.
I'm not even going to putClaire's camera on.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
Oh, thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
Mark Fisher was this close.

Speaker 2 (01:09:59):
Mark won a few weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (01:10:01):
He did.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
Yeah, he won the Zinu and the Body Thetans.
Oh good for him.
I didn't remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Yeah, can we show that there?
We go right there, yeah, thereyou go Well congratulations, SP
Danny.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Yes.
Let's go here and do this yougot to.
Let me give SP Danny the spiel.
Okay, but that's the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Xenu and the Body Thetans.
That's the desk mat.
If you want to pick up one ofthe Xenu and the Body Thetans
desk mats.
It's basically like a 30-inchby 24-inch mouse pad, but it
keeps your desk from getting allworn.
If you work at your desk allday, every day.

Speaker 2 (01:10:37):
Somebody asked for a version.
That's just the image of theband.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
That's on.
Oh, now I'm going to get it.
I'm going to unplug myheadphones.
Let me get up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Okay, so SP Danny, congratulations on winning our
giveaway.
Please send me an email claireat blownforgoodcom with whatever
you would like, from either ourBFG merch store or the SP shop,
and I will send you a giveawaylink or mail it to you,
whichever works.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
Okay, I got one of these special jobbies in here.
Look at this.
This is a Xenu and the BodyThetans concert tee.
That's what Xenu looks like, ifyou didn't know, or what he
looks like right now for thispiece of merch.
And those are the Body Thetans,basically his backup band, and
I didn't know this, but,according to Grok, zinu plays

(01:11:23):
the upright bass and then it'sgot all the tour dates on the
back.
So this is for the 2025.

Speaker 2 (01:11:29):
You want me to read them off.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Everybody can see March 13th, clearwater, los
Angeles, aruba, east Grinsteadand New Year's days in Hawaii.
That's a little Easter egg eggfor the zenu people, um, anyway,
you can pick this up on, blownfor good support the channel um,
or you can get one of you oneof those mats um and um.

(01:11:51):
Yeah, we like it.
Congratulations, sp danny.
Okay, did you start somecomments?

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
uh, clara did, thank you clara thank you, as always
to clara and katherine, areawesome mods who help us with
everything.
Okay, paul question why can't abunch of people that are in oh
are in, overthrow scientologystrengthen numbers that's a good
question.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, it is, that comes up a lot yeah, um, I mean,
david miscavige did that.
Yeah, basically when DavidMiscavige, hubbard never wanted
David Miscavige to take overScientology, that is 100% a
proven fact.
Within the Sea Org there wasnever any way he was giving it
to Dave.
Dave really wasn't in touchwith Hubbard as much as a lot of

(01:12:37):
other people were and a lot ofother people that Hubbard had
kind of mentored and did stuffwith over the years.
David Miscavige just happened tobe one of the people that
Hubbard did allow power for himto have some power and he seized
it and kind of put things inplace and when the old man

(01:12:58):
kicked the bucket, he, he, hesees the moment and basically he
got rid of the competition.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
Yeah, and what's the most blaring example of that?
None other than ShelleyMiscavige herself, who had
worked directly with Hubbardsince she was 11 years old 11
years old, I mean, she was oneof his messengers.
So she has way more experienceworking directly with Hubbard

(01:13:26):
even than David Miscavige.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
So there's other people too, norman.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Starkey Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yeager, Ray Midoff.
There's other people that didwork with Hubbard, the brokers
Pat Nanny broker Anyway.
And also, by the way, Hubbardwas still trying to get rid of
body thetans from himself whenhe died in 1986.
He still thought, even thoughhe'd done OT8 and OT7, the

(01:13:53):
operating thetan levels sevenand eight, where you learn that
you're a god and that youcreated the body thetans um, he
still was trying to get him outof him and he was trying to
shock them out of him.
So I'd be interesting to thinkwhat ot9 and 10 are.
Maybe the e-meter?
You have to get an extra.
You have to go down to uho'reilly's and get some car

(01:14:13):
batteries to hook up to youre-meter so you could.
That's what cupboard was doing.
He was trying to get this guynamed sarge to hook up car
batteries to an e-meter so thatthey would shock Hubbard when he
found a body thing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
Well, not so they would shock him, but so they
would get rid of his pesky body,things that hadn't already
gotten rid of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
He wanted to shock the body things, but the body
things were in him, so he wasgetting shocked, no matter which
way it went down.
He was holding on to electrodes.
Okay, let's do another question.
Hopefully that answered yourquestion.
Paul Swatch, the direct diecastguy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Yep.
Harvey Denton question Do youthink Tom Cruise knows about the
whole Shelley's captivity, etcetera?
100%, very definitely, 100%.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
Well, I'll tell you this uh, miscavige in meetings
in the hole would tell us thathe just got off the phone with
Tom and then he told him all thestuff and Tom said he
volunteered to come down andbeat your asses for me so I
wouldn't have to do it.
Yep, and he told us that in themeetings in the hole.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
So he knows Tom Cruise, according.
To.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
David Miscavige.
Tom Cruise knows all the dirtysecrets of what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
And he absolutely knows about Shelly being put in,
you know, whisked away.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
And well, yeah, because Shelly was there when
they were hanging out and thenshe was at his birthday party
that we just talked about.

Speaker 2 (01:15:29):
She was at she was at everything, she was everywhere
with David Miscavige all of thetime for the 14 years leading up
to that.
So more than more years thanthat actually.
But yeah, okay, agt momquestion what do you think David
Miscavige said to the brokersto make them give up leadership?

(01:15:50):
Well, he threatened Pat Brokerwith.

Speaker 1 (01:15:54):
Yeah.
So while Hubbard was inisolation in Creston, california
, he was having, he thoughtScientology, he thought David
Miscavige was stealing his moneyand, to be fair, david
Miscavige did lose 30 million ofhis money on a bunch of
Oklahoma oil wells that werescams and a whole bunch of other
stuff.
So Hubbard wasn't wrong thatDave was stealing his money, of

(01:16:17):
course, but he thought Dave wasstealing his money and or other
people, Scientology was stealinghis money.
And so he had them bringing hima banker's boxes to chalk full
of cash.
And they were bringing them andin this place in Creston they
started putting him in hisbedroom and then his bedroom was

(01:16:37):
like a hoarder house butinstead of like newspapers and
Depends and other stuff, therewas just banker's boxes filled
with cash and it was so muchthat they couldn't even get to
his bed anymore.
And they said, hey, listen, wegot to start putting dough in
the barn because your bedroom'sa little full.
And the story was that whenHubbard died, dave went to where

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Hubbard was living and that'swhere Pat Broker and Annie were.
And then he basically told PatBroker, I've got you taking cash
over more than $10,000 overstate lines, which is a federal
offense over state lines, whichis a federal offense, and so I

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think this is how the story goes, but in the Sea Org this is how
the story goes.
So who knows what the truth is,but that Pat Broker just filled
up the back of his truck withbankers boxes and was like, okay
, fine, I won't give you anyproblems if you don't give me
any problems.
And he just rode off into thesunset and that was the end of
Pat Broker.
And thenie tried to escape togo join up with pat and she was
intercepted and she was broughtback and I think she remarried,

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uh at least once or twice.
Yeah, she married jim loganthat's right, jared, but she
also married, uh, I guess,charlie rush, but that might
have been before that, I dondon't know.
Anyway, she was married acouple times, but she then
became just Annie Tidman, andshe lived at the international
base until the end of her lifewhen she passed away from cancer

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.
Yep, okay, one more question,then we'll do another giveaway.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Okay, well, we can do a few more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Lady Jane out Question Is this like the 10
commandments of Scientology?
Yes, I would say so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
I mean it's kind of the I would say not the 10
commandments, because you knowthe the way to happen, the way
to happiness is actually likethe 10 commandments, it's 21
precepts it's 21 and 10 of themare the same as the 10
commandments.

(01:18:46):
Basically do not murder, don'tcovet the they the neighbor's
wife don't be promiscuous,promiscuous, take care of
yourself yeah, some of othershow you would want them to treat
you.
yeah, Don't yeah yeah, whateverwe don't have to do all of them
Like brush your teeth is one ofthem.
I would say there's multiplecommandments in Scientology.

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Brush your teeth is actuallyone of the way to happen is
precepts.

Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
No, it's not.
It's take care of yourself.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Yeah, but in part of take care of yourself is brush
your teeth Shower.
Yeah, take a shower, sleep,brush your teeth.
Hubbard couldn't brush histeeth, no matter what.
He couldn't.
Even that dude could have justgot some work done.
You know, he didn't have tohave those rusty chiclets that
he was rocking.
Okay, thank you for that, ladyJane.
Now, okay, let's findtechnology.

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Quote unquote just Hubbard'swritings yes, very definitely.

Speaker 2 (01:19:46):
Yeah, yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (01:19:47):
That's the answer to that, it is anything in anything
that Hubbard wrote istechnology.
That's basically Scientologytechnology.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Yeah, based on his research.

Speaker 1 (01:19:56):
Yeah, based on his research, and also, by the way,
he did do research.
I know there's a lot of peoplethat are saying he didn't do
research.
He did do research.
He was doing all sorts of funkystuff with what's his name?
Jack Parson, oh yeah, and theywere doing rituals and pain drug
hypnosis.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Alistair Crowley.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
Yeah, they were following the teachings of
Alistair Crowleyley and AleisterCrowley didn't want anything to
do with Hubbard.
He was like screw that dude,he's a wackadoodle, but he was
doing a lot of funky stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:33):
If you're a Scientologist read Messiah, or.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Madman and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Barefaced Messiah, yeah, barefaced Messiah by
Russell Miller yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
You will find out that basically Hubbard's
technology is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
He went through other technologies or other forms of
thought on different things andhe basically cherry picked all
of those things and made thatScientology, hypnosis,
brainwashing made thatScientology, hypnosis,
brainwashing, particular focuson ways to control, leverage,
indoctrinate program and takeadvantage of innocent people and

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use their people's inherentwish to help other people and
help other people do better toturn them into androids that
would do his bidding yeah, I'mtrying to find some questions
from people.

Speaker 1 (01:21:21):
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Okay, brian question is Tom Cruise aware that
Scientologist numbers aredwindling and that they can't
get new people into the business?
I mean church?
Yes, business is exactly right.
Uh, I'm sure he is, he's got tobe right.
Yeah, I mean, you'd have to behiding under a rock to not be
aware that Scientology isshrinking.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
Yeah, and I will tell you, when Tom Cruise did this
whole thing in 2004, 2005, whenhe started going on the
Scientology, his greatScientology tour, like they were
doing war, they were shootingWar of the Worlds and Tom Cruise
had a Scientology volunteeredminister and on the set of the

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movie.
And then when the movie cameout and he's supposed to promote
it, he's talking aboutScientology and basically I
think it was Paramount.
I want to say it was ParamountSumner, sumner Redstone.
I think it was Sumner Redstone.
He used to be the head ofParamount.
I think his daughter, sherryRedstone, is now the head of

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Paramount.
But either way, summer Redstonewas like dude, I am paying you
to talk about Scientology, we'retrying to make some money here
with the movie, okay.
And so he got slapped around alittle bit and then he doubled
down and they were just likethen screw you, we're not doing
this.
And then he basically learned Ican't talk about Scientology

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when I'm doing movies.
I got to keep that on the downlow and he's got to do that
doing other things, and hedoesn't really do other things
unless he's doing moviepromotion.
So these days he don't talkabout it much.
He kind of keeps his mouth shutabout Scientology, which is
kind of crazy for the dude who'sthe most dedicated
Scientologist in the world tothen go hush hush on Scientology

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.
If you know what I mean, true,what kind of question is this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
You know what I question Claire.
Does Mark need a nap?

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
I do need a nap, I always need a nap, but I don't
need a nap.
But you know what I mean, jeezLouise.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
We finally we work and everything else.
We've actually had a reallyrelaxing weekend.
Yeah, the first time in areally long time.
Yeah, I'm well, rested rightnow, okay, just because he's a
little spicy every once in awhile doesn't mean always.
Sometimes it does, but notalways.
He's good, he's good yeah comeon, take it easy, okay, lillian
lillian question what is thecontingency plan in case

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Miscavige get run over by a bus?
Yeah, there isn't one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:44):
Yeah, there's no, he's not setting up.
Lillian, I see your littleEaster eggs.
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:23:49):
Oh yeah, look at that .

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
Anyway, there is no contingency plan because David
Miscavige took out all of thepeople that could possibly take
over from him and the peoplethat are left.
They all know the dirty deedsabout all the other people that
are left, so he's already kindof poisoned everybody against
each other.
Yes, and he siloed so manythings.

(01:24:11):
Nobody knows what's in all thesilos, except for Dave Right.
There's the Church of SpiritualTechnology CST silo.
There's the RTC silo.
There's the CSI Church ofSpiritual Technology CST silo.
There's the RTC silo.
There's the CSI Church ofScientology International.
Rtc is Religious TechnologyCenter.
That's the Scientologyorganization that Miscavige is
the head of he silos.

Speaker 2 (01:24:32):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
Author Services IAS yeah all these things are siloed
and I don't think there's onesingle person who knows all of
the silos besides david besidesdavid miscavige, no, not even
shelly and not even the lawyersused to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Shelly used to, because she was there for
everything, but she's notanymore so he could have moved
things lou is the only otherperson that knows close to what
miscavige knows yeah, probably,you're probably right.
Because she's with him Right,doing all the stuff, doing all
the good stuff.
And maybe doing other stuff, wedon't know.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
Yeah, okay, good question.
Okay, do we have anything else?
Can we do another giveaway?
One more question.

Speaker 2 (01:25:12):
Yeah, one more question.
There you go.
Perfect, sorry for those.
A real question from.
I still don't understand theclay table.
How does playing with clay help?
Are you just forming what youthink question question question
looks like.
So yes, actually the.
So there's two things inscientology that use clay.
The main one is claydemonstration, and this is

(01:25:36):
linked to the barrier to studythat is called lack of mass.
So you're supposed to literally, if you're, let's say, let's
say you're doing a claydemonstration of the
misunderstood word, so you'regoing to make a person and every
piece of clay has to be labeledwith what it is.
You cannot put any of theconcept that you're

(01:25:57):
demonstrating in clay on thelabel.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
So you can't write sentences.
It just has to say if you'regoing to make a cake, you got to
make a cake out of clay and yougot to put a label on it that
says cake.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
Or if you're showing somebody having a thought, then
you have to do a circle in clayand the thought has to be shown
in clay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Yeah, you can't write a piece of paper and put it in
the bubble.
You got to write in the clay,like when you do a clay table.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
No, clay demo, Clay demo, not to be confused with
clay table.

Speaker 1 (01:26:30):
I know, but when you go, but the table that the
clay's on called the clay table.
You're right.
Anyway, you go to the claytable and there's all these
different colors of clay.
When you first start out,there's like red and orange and
green and blue and red and it'slike the rainbow of fruit
flavors.
Okay, and clay, and you usuallythere's like a rolling pin and
some scissors.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
And we have to note too, it cannot be Play-Doh.
That's strictly forbidden.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
It has to be modeling clay and it cannot even be
plasticine.
That's right.
It has to be modeling clay.
Yes, that's made for likeartists that want to make like a
model or a sculpture orsomething yeah, I mean, not like
clay that you put in a kilnyeah, no, it's modeling clay yes
, modeling clay and and um andbut the.
I just want to say this thingbecause when, when the clay

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table, whenever a building, anew building gets done in
scientology, they get all newclay.
Okay, that's just how it is.
You got to start with new clay.
If you got a new building, yougot to start with new clay.
Well, at the Int Base, the claywas so old that it's like it
had morphed into.
It's just this kind of Sedonareddish, orange, dirt color.

(01:27:39):
Sometimes it would just kind ofhave color streaks through it,
but it would even have dirt init yeah, dirt and there, and
sometimes there'd be a label inthe clay.
So you'd be rolling out a pieceof clay and you'd be like, oh,
what's this?
and it says man man, or it's, orit's some broad's hair that
just got rolled into the clay.
You're like nasty, but but theclay would.

(01:28:01):
Eventually, it would be mixed,and when you put it, when you or
at the end base I love tellingthis story you would sometimes a
clay, uh clay demo could takeyou two, three hours to do so.
Your course period is two and ahalf hours yeah so the way it
used to be at the end base inthe desert 110 degrees during

(01:28:22):
the summer, during the daysometimes, I think the highest
was 125, but the clay table'soutside and you're making a clay
demo at like a at 10 o'clock atnight when you're.
You studied from?
We studied from what?

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Seven to nine, 30, seven to nine 30.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
So you're, you're in the course room, it's in the
desert, it's eight o'clock atnight.
You start up a clay demo andit's cold outside.
It's in the desert, it's coldat night, hot during the day.
Anyway, you make a clay demoand it's like it's nine o'clock.
I gotta go nine 30.
I gotta go.
I gotta go back to post.
I gotta go back to work at nine30 PM and work for another two

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hours before we secure and um,it's like, okay, you got to put
a note on it saying save, savemy clay demo.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
I got to finish this thing tomorrow during study time
from 7 to 9 30 tomorrow yeah,which technically you weren't
supposed to, because youremember, you were always
supposed to clean up your spacethat's right, but if you were in
the middle of a gargantuan claydemo, they would basically let
let it slide.
They would make rare exceptions.
I was a supervisor for fiveyears remember.

Speaker 1 (01:29:24):
Okay, take it easy, don't buy my hair.
Okay, so you put a little savenote on your clay demo.
You go home, you go back towork, you stay up for another
hour or two, you do your work,you go, you work.
All the next day you come backto the course room and there is
a giant puddle of clay whereyour clay demo was.
Yeah, because all that shitmelted in the 110 degree weather

(01:29:47):
.
And now not only do you have tostart your clay demo over, but
you have now just mixed all ofthose colors of clay into one
piece of clay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
You know, you just reminded me of something about
clay demos yeah.
So the supervisor would have tocome over and go through your
whole clay demo and guess whatit was.
Yeah, that's right, and guesswhat it was that you had done a
clay demo of, and if you guesswrong, it's flunk.

Speaker 1 (01:30:18):
Yeah, and you have to basically redo the clay demo
until that person gets it.
They're not allowed to look.
Well, no, they guess.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
So when you, at the end of doing a clay demo, you
make a label and you write onthe label it's called an overall
label.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Yes, an overall label An overall label, not an item
label.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
An overall label and you flip it over and then you
call for the supervisor and say,okay, I'm ready for my clay
demo, clay demo checkout yeah,now I'm gonna do it, let's do it
.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Let's ask the scientologists out there did you
write overall label on yourlabel?
I uh, I didn't I wouldsometimes write overall label on
the overall label so that theywouldn't be confused with
another label that might bethere.
Sometimes you would just have alabel and we just blink, yeah,
and then the person that waschecking it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
On the table in front of the clay demonstration.

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
And then the supervisor would read through
everything Okay.
And then a man and a ball Okay,this is the cycle of
communication.
Flip over the label.
Oh, flunk.

Speaker 1 (01:31:24):
That's right.
You know, I didn't mind doingclay demos, yeah well the only
bad thing about a clay demo, inmy eyes, is you get a lot of
clay under your nails and theyhave these little sticks that
they were for like poking eyesin the clay demo people and
making mouths and drawing withinthe clay and and you'd have to
take those and dig.

(01:31:45):
It was like a manicure set butthe wood you'd have to dig all
that clay out.
I didn't like that part but Idid like hanging out and and
doing doing some clay demos.
Okay, let's do another giveaway.

Speaker 2 (01:31:59):
All right, and then we will wrap it up for today.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Congratulations again to SP Danny Yep, claire might
have given you the spiel, Ididn't remember, but I think I
was doing something.
Here we go.
We're going to draw again.
I don't know, I guess we'lljust see how many are.
Oh, it says there's anotherbunch of entries.
Okay, we're going to see.

Speaker 2 (01:32:17):
Oh hey, laura FM is in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
Oh, she almost won too, harvey Denton.

Speaker 2 (01:32:25):
Oh, that's so fitting , since he had a great question
today.
Congratulations, Harvey.
Send me an emailclaireatblownforgoodcom with a
link to the item of yourchoosing and I'll send you a
giveaway link.
So there you have it, Easypeasy.

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Awesome, okay, do we want to do a few more questions?
Sure, let's you a giveaway link.
So there you have it, easypeasy.
Awesome, okay, do we want to doa few more questions?
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
Let's do a couple more.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
We're here, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Thanks to everybody joining us today, taking time
out of this fine Sunday to hearus yap about the crazy, abusive
cult known as Scientology.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I'm looking for a good one, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:33:02):
Here's a good one.
Okay, here's a good one, allright, pecker decker question.
What do you think of the filmbattlefield earth?

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
oh, my god, this is such a great.
This is such a great questionbecause when we were there, um
and this you might even still beable to find this.
I don't know if somebody hasuploaded it, but as part of the
battlefield earth movie, we didmakeup tests and costume tests
with John Travolta and we shotthose.

(01:33:24):
Golden Era Productions shotthose.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Yeah, and as a result of which you actually have a
copy of Battlefield Earth signedby none other than John
Travolta, who signed it as Terl,who's the bad guy?

Speaker 1 (01:33:40):
the main alien character in the movie.
Yeah, now here's a crazy thing.
I don't know if a lot of peopleknow this.
We might be like blowing thelid off of it right now.
Do you know what I mean?
Yeah, battlefield Earth is thestory of Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:56):
And so not really Mission Earth, I don't know
about.

Speaker 2 (01:34:00):
Mission Earth.

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
Mission Earth is more just space porn for L Ron
Hubbard.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
He wanted to battlefield Earth is the main
good guy is Johnny Good BoyTyler.
And he's fighting againsthumanity is hiding in the
mountains of Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:34:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:19):
I to be.
I mean, this is probably, youknow, an unpopular opinion, but
I read the book when I was 13years old.
At the same time, I was doingthe purification rundown.
As you know, I read a lot ofbooks.
Yeah, I didn't think it wasthat bad.
The movie, on the other hand,oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Anyway, the story of battlefield Earth is about
Scientology.
Yes, humans are fightingagainst the psychs, the cyclos.
The aliens in the movie arecalled the cyclos.

Speaker 2 (01:34:49):
And the cyclos keep humans as pets.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
And they brainwash them.

Speaker 2 (01:34:53):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
And they program them , yes, and they basically treat
them badly.

Speaker 2 (01:34:57):
And they keep them with collars like electrified
collars and all that and cagesand so forth.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
But the psychologist, the psychiatrists, the cyclos,
the aliens.
The cyclos are representingpsychiatrists.
They're called the psychs, thecyclos.
Yes, and psychiatrists andpsychologists are called the
psychs in Scientology.
And so, and the, and JohnTravolta plays.

Speaker 2 (01:35:21):
Terl.
Psychologists are called thepsychs in Scientology and so and
the and John Travolta playsTerl, who is the main bad guy in
the movie.
He's the bad alien yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
He's just basically just an opportunist alien.

Speaker 2 (01:35:31):
Yeah, who played Johnny Goodmore Tyler in that
movie?
Barry?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Pepper.
Oh that's right, barry Pepperwas the sidekick of John
Travolta.
I can't remember his name, hischaracter name.

Speaker 2 (01:35:42):
I don't remember either.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
Anyway, and also John Travolta's wife at the time.
Kelly Preston played hisgirlfriend alien in the movie as
well.

Speaker 2 (01:35:51):
A lot of people don't know that as well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
Hey, I'm full of fun facts, if you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:35:57):
But also another fun fact, since he's asking what we
thought of the movie.
Oh shit, show know what I mean.
Um, but also another fun fact,since he's asking what we
thought of the movie oh uh, wehad to.
Every, every staff member onthat property had, were tickets
were purchased and we had to.

Speaker 1 (01:36:13):
We were all mandated to go and see the movie three
times in a row.
We were bussed there in c-orgbuses.
We were brought and we wereeven taken to.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
I think it was Temecula.

Speaker 1 (01:36:21):
I didn't.
I went to Hemp, we went to Hemp.
I'm pretty sure?

Speaker 2 (01:36:23):
Yeah, no, it was spread amongst different movie
theaters to have more of animpact.

Speaker 1 (01:36:28):
Oh, you're right, Because all everybody couldn't
go to one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
That's right, they bussed like.

Speaker 1 (01:36:32):
RTC to one place and gold went to one place.
Anyway, we all were boughtthree tickets.
We didn't buy the tickets no wedid not.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
We were given and let me tell you, I mean, you know
me, you give me a hard timeabout this all the time.
I work hard, from the moment Iget up until the moment I lay
down and we watch movies layingin bed.
And it takes five minutes forme to fall asleep.
So it takes a really good movieand a lot of sleep for me to

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stay awake during the movie Notin the movie theater, but in bed
, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
I remember that almost everyone who went to this
movie slept at least throughtwo of the showings At least.

Speaker 2 (01:37:16):
And then what's even crazier is that after we saw the
movie, david Miscavige wantedto see feedback.
Feedback which basically meanmeant you had to write a glowing
review story or like oh, howamazing it was, and this and
this and this movie was donebeing edited.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
He micromanaged this whole movie.
Okay, john Travolta was, Ithink, a producer on the movie,
but David Miscavige was theexecutive executive producer of
this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Barbara Ruiz from Author Services was very, very
involved.
So was Javier.

Speaker 1 (01:37:56):
Yeah, but we were seeing dailies at the base Right
.
They would shoot the footageand then that would get sent to
David Miscavige and sometimesDavid Miscavige would be like
you want to see something andhe'd show us some of the dailies
he was getting on a movie wesaw.
Was that the Last Samurai wewere seeing?
Last Samurai dailies we wereseeing we would.

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Tom Cruise would send him hisdailies and John Travolta, tom
Cruise would send him hisdailies and John Travolta.
By the way, john Travolta andTom Cruise not friendly, but in
Scientology they're not bestbuddies, if anybody wants to
know.
But when David Miscavige wasdone micromanaging the shit out
of this movie, when it was donehe told us in meetings this was
the best movie ever made.

(01:38:37):
He said this is the best moviethat's ever been made.
Okay, then the movie comes outand everybody's like this is the
worst movie ever made.
Then tom cruise calls up davidmiscavige and he's like dude,
what the fuck with john?
And dave's like yeah, the seasucker, he's such so out ethics,

(01:38:57):
such a piece of shit.
He.
He threw John right under thebattlefield earth bus.
He did it's like I didn't haveshit to do.
I didn't even know what he wasdoing.
And meanwhile Miscavigemicromanaged every fricking part
of that movie ever.

Speaker 2 (01:39:12):
Anyway, when you're the boss, you can change the
narrative anytime you want.

Speaker 1 (01:39:16):
Yeah, and that movie history that movie is an analogy
, or whatever the word is forsomething that is meant to be
about scientology.
Yes, there's probably someother word that would be a
proper or better explanation,but yeah, um, okay, I think
we're good.
I think we uh we had a goodtime.
Um, we answered a lot of goodquestions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
Maybe our uh social media oh look, who's back dr x,
hello, nice, good to see you umwe haven't been here for a while
and, um, we miss all the thefrequent flyers and all that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Oh, I gotta put I guess I.
Oh, I was said that I saw asuper chat besides the oil scam?

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
how many investments quote unquote do you think david
miscavige has invested in andlost money on, but no one knows
about?
Could this be one reason hequote fundraisers unquote so
much besides wanting more money?
Since Scientology is all aboutmoney, that's a really good
point.
That probably does have a lotto do with it.
Didn't he lose a ton of moneyor miss an opportunity on

(01:40:18):
treasure hunting?
I mean, he's been doing allkinds of things.

Speaker 1 (01:40:22):
Well, no, okay, so there's a.
There's a book.
This is from years ago.
Um, there's a book.
It's called the deep blue sea.
That's what I'm pretty sure.
It's called the deep blue seaand they it's about these
scientists that were studyingocean patterns and they
basically reverse engineered away that if they knew about

(01:40:47):
where a ship sunk, then theycould use the tidal wave
patterns and all that to figureout where it will be now based
on science, like, oh, in 1865,this boat sunk with all this
gold and that all the reportsfrom the people and all the
written accords of the time sayit happened.

(01:41:08):
Right about here, then itshould be here.
And they were fundraising, theywere trying to get some dough
together and they actually wentto Scientology.
This was, I want to say, it wasin the 80s.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
Yeah, that's what I think, and they went to.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Scientology.
This was I want to say.
It was in the 80s yeah, that'swhat I think and they went to
Scientology and this is in thebook by these guys.
They wrote a book about this.

Speaker 2 (01:41:26):
Including that they went to Scientology.
Yes, oh, there you go.
It's in the book.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
And the people they met with were Lyman Spurlock.
Rest in peace.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Even though he did write knowledge reports on us
all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:41:38):
But that's true, he didn't like us that much.
He said I knew there were up tono good After you escape.

Speaker 2 (01:41:44):
he wrote a knowledge report on me Cause we lived in
the same house.
We had a room with a bed andour dog in there.

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
And they were in the next bedroom over.

Speaker 2 (01:41:54):
Yes, and Lyman said I always knew there was nothing
good going on behind that door.
Always knew there was nothinggood going on behind that door.
We were sleeping, dude, if weever slept like dude.
Why, why, why so harsh I?

Speaker 1 (01:42:06):
knew they were.
Anyway, yes, rest in peace,Lyman.

Speaker 2 (01:42:08):
Hopefully you're at peace now.

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Anyway, the other guy was Pete Bleca.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:42:13):
And we were in a meeting one day and Dave is the
one who told us the story and hesaid um, what about the time?
You guys turned down the blah,blah, blah?
Anyway, these scientists werefundraising.
They came to Lyman and Pete,who were working at Author
Services at the time, which theywere the ones that had the
millions and millions of dollars, Because that is the

(01:42:34):
organization which collectsroyalties from Scientology on
all of.
Hubbard's property on all ofhis written and any work that
he's done recorded lectureseverything.
Okay, and Pete and Lyman.
So the story Dave tells is thatPete and Lyman turned these
guys down and then whatever.

(01:42:55):
That's the end of it.
Well, these guys, they startplucking sunken treasure out of
the ocean full time and thewhatever, the 10 million they
wanted from scientology wouldhave been a billion based on how
much these guys made.
Wow, like they, really they,they slayed it yeah anyway.
But, um, he had pete blacka andlyman come into the meeting

(01:43:18):
while he was telling this storyand then he said, oh, you know,
tell these guys what you guysdid.
And they said, yeah, we didn'tdo the deal.
Okay, well, pete Blekka workedfor me in Sydney when, at this
time, Yep, I remember.
Anyway.
So after the meeting I go and Iasked Pete.
I said, pete, what's the story?
Is that true?
And he goes no, and I go.

(01:43:39):
What do you mean?
He goes?
No, we wanted to do it.
Dave told us not to do it thereyou go.

Speaker 2 (01:43:44):
Yeah, that makes way more sense, he goes, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:43:47):
Lyman and I were like he was like Lyman and I were
like 100% on.
It was like this is a genius,this is going to work.
So maybe somebody has a copy ofthis book.
It's called the Deep Blue Sea.
I'm pretty sure you can get iton Amazon.
But either way, I'm going tosee if I can find a copy of that

(01:44:07):
and maybe we can read thesection about the Scientology
involvement.
And I don't know how much moneythese guys made, but I'm pretty
sure it was in the billions ofdollars or the gold that they've
recovered since.
Great question yes, dr X.
I don't know of any otherthings that he lost besides the
30 million on the oil wealthscams.

(01:44:28):
But that's only one of thestories and also the only reason
I know about this story is fromPete Blecker.

Speaker 2 (01:44:34):
Nice, by the way, professor Carr-Kahn here, says
Lyman was a great guy in the1970s before he joined the.
So yes, I'm sure he was.
Many people were great peoplebefore they joined the CRO, but
also to be fair, lyman was achill dude most of the time.

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
He was, of course.
After I escaped he got nastyand wrote a report, but he never
wrote.
I don't think he ever wrote areport on me the entire time I
was there and he was theinternational finance director
for a lot of times and I wasgetting money out of him for
movies and stuff like that.
All the time.
He'd be like, hey, what do youreally need?
And I'd be like I really need350 000.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
He'd be like yeah, lyman was it he was a chill guy
yeah um oh what, what?
No, no, never mind, you'relaughing, I saw, xenu in the in
the oh clara's uh, one of themoms has got some.

Speaker 1 (01:45:22):
Xenu action in there.
I don't think we missed anymore super chats.
Thank you for that, Dr X.

Speaker 2 (01:45:27):
That's very generous, nice to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:45:29):
Okay, I think we did it.
We're good.
We made it to the end and guesswhat?

Speaker 2 (01:45:33):
We will be back.

Speaker 1 (01:45:35):
We'll be back next Sunday, right, we'll be um, I
don't know, am I trying to beback?
I would like to say two things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:42):
Number one we've done a number of um appearances on
other channels, so when thosethings come out we'll just link
to those as community posts.
Second of all, thanks to themany different people you got a
link to my tony thing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:56):
I did my uh, oh, yeah my what group therapy yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
podcast.
I did one of those with him too.

Speaker 1 (01:46:02):
We'll post those in the community.

Speaker 2 (01:46:04):
Yeah, and then the other thing is thanks to the
people who are sending inBuzzsprout fan mail.
I've mentioned this before.
Buzzsprout does not provide usany contact information to be
able to respond.
So if you would like us torespond, then include an email
that we can, or just say you canread this if you would like us
to respond, then include anemail that we can you know or
just say you can read this ifyou want on the comment because

(01:46:24):
we don't want to read.
Yeah, we don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:46:27):
People write to us all the time.
We don't know your story, wedon't know, we don't want to
read.
If you comment on youtube, thenyou don't mind, but if you send
us fan mail or if you send usan email, uh, we're not going to
read it unless you specificallyask us.
Would you mind reading this?
Or, if it's okay, if you wantto read this, because sometimes

(01:46:47):
people who are writing to usmight be Scientologists that
aren't out of Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:46:52):
And if we go like hey , thanks a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
Billy Bob.
One, two, three and he go likedude.
My kids are in the Sea Org, youcan't.

Speaker 2 (01:47:02):
And then that's it now he doesn't get to talk to
his kids, we don't like oh man,now all these super chats are
popping up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:06):
Who's that?

Speaker 2 (01:47:06):
oh, it's jacob harkey one last super chat because I
joined late.
Hello, all good to see you,jacob.

Speaker 1 (01:47:11):
Thanks for joining us and then we got a um socky mix,
sock face sorry I was late.

Speaker 2 (01:47:17):
I was watching the gooniesies in the cinemas for
its 40th anniversary, nice, youknow who's in the Goonies.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
A lot of people don't know who Josh Brolin.
He's the big kid in the Goonies, really.
Yeah, he is the older teenagerin the Goonies.
There's a lot of big people inthe Goonies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:36):
I don't know that I ever actually got to watch that
movie from beginning to end.

Speaker 1 (01:47:38):
We should watch the Goonies.
You haven't seen the Goonies.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
It was media blackout .
They weren't letting us watchmovies in the cadet org.

Speaker 1 (01:47:44):
And what's that other guy?

Speaker 2 (01:47:46):
Hello guys.

Speaker 1 (01:47:48):
We got to see that.
Okay, nice, there you go.
He's the older brother Kaz.
He's the older brother there wego.
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:48:04):
Um cool, Cool it's been a fun one.
Thanks again to our mods Claraand Catherine.
Clara says Mark just stocksBilly.

Speaker 1 (01:48:08):
Bob dude, I know Billy Bob one, two, three.
You know I was saying Billy Bobone, two, three and I think
somebody actually made theirscrutiny of Billy Bob one, two
three.

Speaker 2 (01:48:14):
You know it's so funny.
One time somebody said well,how, how do I reach out to this
person or that person withoutthem knowing?
I was like you can just makeyou know Billy Bob email.
And so next thing you know, Igot an email from Billy Bob.
I was like oh wow, they took mequite literally.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Jacob says Josh Brolin had some funny
interactions with Paul Haggis inthe book Going Clear.
Yeah, you know what else weactually ran into, josh Brolin
and Diane Steamboat.
Springs.
Else we actually ran into joshbrolin and diane steamboat
springs.
In steamboat we were on a skitrip in like 2006 or 2000.

Speaker 2 (01:48:47):
Yeah, I think I was pregnant at the time 2006.

Speaker 1 (01:48:49):
I want to say it was in 2006 steamboat yeah, and we
ran into josh brolin and hiswife at the time, diane I can't
remember her last name, but weran into them in the um um, like
the ski rental place.

Speaker 2 (01:49:00):
Yeah, I remember, I was like hey.

Speaker 1 (01:49:02):
I know you.
Yeah, I'm going to ski with myfamily.
Yeah, me too.
Okay, that's it.
We're going to kill it.
We're done, we're going to endit.
Um, thank you guys.
Um, yeah, thanks for supportingus.
Thanks, and we will see you onthe next one Yep, probably next
week.
Yeah, we're doing other stufftoo.
We're doing lots of otherchannels and we're doing

(01:49:23):
podcasts with other people.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
So we'll post those in the community page if we
missed it.
For the foreseeable future, wehave some stability on Sundays
for the next few weeks, so wecan get back into a routine.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Awesome guys.
Until next time.
Thanks for watching.
If you'd like to help supportthe channel, feel free.
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