Miscavige's Return: Inside the UK IAS Event Scandal - Scientology Q&A #37 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
hey guys, welcome back to the channel, welcome to
another episode of blown forgood.
Um, and we're gonna do.
We're gonna bring in um mikeand we're gonna bring in cla,
hello, and we're going to bringin Claire.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
Hello, oh, look at you.
You did the sequence right andeverything.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Oh good, perfect.
Yeah, good work.
Let's see, let's make sure thatwe're live.
I have a little bit of a echo.
I'm just going to make surethat I'm good here.
Oh my God, god, we're goodthough no, I'm good, never a
dull moment over here on stream.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, well, actually there is a dull moment.
It starts out dull, yeah likewe just let me make sure the
sound people are showing up um,let's see, oh, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
That was.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Oh, look at that, yeah, you gotta have your mic
within, you know the same timezone, and then probably we'll
hear you good yeah, aaron wasstressing out.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wherever he is in the inter interwebs world, he's
like your mic, your mic nicewe're like we know mitch is here
oh, yay, goldie's here.
I love you, goldie liz ferris.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Look at all these people oh, yay people here yeah,
from a poet.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Brian lucas is here.
We got someone from Canada.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
Nice.
Write a cram on mock please, Iwill.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I got it Mitch Apostate.
Alex is here.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Oh, really.
Well, that's appropriate.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Oh, Jeff Hawkins is here.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I was going to say that's appropriate that Apostate
Alex is here because we'regoing to take another one of his
scoops to start this episodewith Yep the news that
apparently Mr Miskovich is goingto be going to the IES event in
the UK on the 3rd and 4th ofNovember.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Ooh, he's crawling out of his hole.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
November Ooh, he's crawling out of his hole.
Yeah Well, as I told Tony,there is only one place where I
think that he would be willingto go and sort of re-announce
himself on the world stage, atleast the Scientology world
stage.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Which is more like a town or a village at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
It's more like the world doormat.
It's like standing on thedoormat, not really the stage.
But the UK is sort of unique.
I don't think he's going toshow up to any ideal org
openings where he has to be outon the street or go into an
airport that he doesn't know.

(03:08):
The UK has got this pretty goodsetup of St Hill is a fully
enclosed property, sort of likethe gold base, with a fence
around it and a lot of security,so you can't really get in and
out of there easily and he canfly into Farnborough Airport,

(03:29):
which is where the private jetsland near St Hill, and
Farnborough is one of thoseairports where you can drive the
vehicle up to the plane and youstep out of the plane off the
steps of the plane directly intoa vehicle.
So there's no access to him andhe doesn't have to sit in you

(03:53):
know la traffic where someprocess server might run up
behind him and stop him on theway to the shrine.
He doesn't have to get in andout of anything other than a
plane at the la at the us endthe plane arriving in the uk
into a vehicle and then intosaint hill and he'll never set

(04:16):
foot outside of saint hill againuntil he goes back to
farnborough or wherever I assumefarnborough or wherever I
assume Farnborough, to get backon Tom Cruise's plane and fly
back to wherever he flies backto.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Nice.
Yeah, god forbid he'd have toconfront and shatter any of us
mere mortals.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Oh yes, oh yes.
Confront and shatter is a termthat has come to have absolutely
no meaning in Scientology.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
It never really did, but at least back in the day
there were people that sort ofwent out into the world and
tried to stand up forScientology in some fashion or
another.
You know, I did it for a longtime.
Yeah, Heba did it, A bunch ofother people did it.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Nowadays there's nobody except Monique the
non-Scientologist thenon-Scientologist Right.
What other billion-dollarorganization has no public
relations person who's evenwilling to say hello?

Speaker 3 (05:21):
Right, right.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Anyway, I know I'm dominating this conversation, no
no, it's okay, we haven't donea live with you in so long that
we're like wow let's let Miketalk for a little bit.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Mike is here.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I haven't really been very lively for a while, so I'm
back to feeling lively again.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
So here I am being live.
We'll be lively with youanytime you want, okay.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
I was going to sort of throw out this idea that we
had mentioned in our lastAftermath Foundation board
meeting, which was you know, ifthey're going to hold an IAS
event to fundraise forScientology, maybe we should

(06:17):
coincidentally hold a fundraiserfor the Aftermath.
To you know, recognize thatthis is a day of fundraising.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
Yes, I love it.
I love the idea.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
It's a great idea and I think also we can encourage
people and I thought of a greatidea is we can make the
fundraiser.
We can call it the IAS eventlive stream SPTV coverage.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
IAS, as in International association of
former scientologists.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, so, but of special people, of special
people.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
There you go, yes, the isp.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Well, we can just call it s.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
We'll just say, is event sp tv coverage and live
stream, and then some peoplemight not even go because they
think they're just oh, I canjust watch it on youtube yeah,
we'll have more scientologistspresent for our live stream then
then we'll be at the actual iesevent and now they'll have to
send out a special email toeverybody to let them know
do not look, yeah do not watchthis on uh on uh youtube.

(07:20):
That's not where the event'sgoing to be, and then people are
going to be like's on YouTubethen, and we're not supposed to
go look at.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, there'll be a ban.
Do not go on YouTube on thisday.

Speaker 3 (07:32):
Oh, I like that.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
That's a good plan.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yes, it's amazing.
I think so, I think it is agood plan.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
There is why we you know, I sort of railroaded this
into let's talk about the IAS,just because Apostate Alex had
brought that up and then TonyOrtega wrote an article about it
and then Aaron did a video, andthen we don't want to miss out
on talking about this.
But there is a lot of otherstuff about the IAS that I don't
know is really well known and Ithink it should should be made
known, or it should be made aswidely known as possible, and
some humorous and somewhatinsane anecdotes from previous

(08:17):
IAS events which I thought mightbe fun to have a chat about too
.
Yeah, but one thing I wanted tomake clear from the outset I was
a part of the formation of theIAS with Lyman Spurlock and Carl
Helt, who is still in the SeaOrg in Europe, and a lawyer by

(08:44):
the name of Jacob Aravad, whowas a Danish lawyer, who put
forth the idea that there isthis special class of
organization in Europe called amembership association, and I'm
not going to go into all sortsof details about this, but he
said we should form this becauseit's like nobody can really get

(09:08):
any access to it.
It's like and at the time theIRS was heavily, heavily
involved in trying to get acollect on their assessments,
and they were freezing bankaccounts and issuing all sorts

(09:29):
of threats and stuff, and theidea was we have to keep money
out of the hands, or thepotential hands, of the IRS.
So all money made by everyScientology organization outside
of the US has to stop beingsent into the United States,
where it could be theoreticallygrabbed by the IRS.

(09:53):
So that was originally why theIAS was set up in Cyprus, to be
exact.
That's where it was located.
Maureen Borgatti and a coupleof other people were sent to
Cyprus to open bank accounts andset up a little office there,
and the money from all of theEuropean orgs started being

(10:16):
channeled into the IAS bankaccounts that were outside of
the control of the IRS.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
A glorious offshore account.

Speaker 3 (10:29):
Exactly.
But the big lie is that the IASwas founded to be the war chest
for Scientology's battles, andthis lie exists that the first
big victory of the IAS was inPortland.

(10:49):
There was no money from the IASthat went to Portland.
That was completely opposite towhat the purpose of the
structure of the IAS originallywas, which was to keep money
outside the US.
It wasn't going to be broughtin to fight legal battles no way

(11:12):
.
In fact, that would beabsolutely the last thing,
getting that money entangled inany legal case or lawyers or
whatever lawyers or whatever.
So this, this idea that the,the great history of the is
began with the portland crusade,is, is completely made up.

(11:34):
It's just a figment of dave'simagination.
That sounded good.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
It's just a narrative that he wants to tell yeah, and
it been.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Now it's become like history, like this is a actual
history of Scientology, Not evenclose.
It's not the history ofScientology, in fact, up until
the time that the IRS grantedthe IAS tax exempt status

(12:03):
because the IAS and IASadministrations and the
fundraising of the IAS was alldeemed to sort of fall under the
umbrella of Scientology.
So the IAS became tax-exemptand at that point, that's when
the heavy you've got to donateto the IAS.

(12:24):
Before that it was a membershiporganization.
You had an annual or six monthmembership and the money from
the orgs went to the IAS.
But that all changed and thenit became, you know, the history
got created that this is theguarantee that Scientology will

(12:44):
always be around and all thosecatchphrases that they use to
get the whales to start handingover money.
And it was like I remember thevery earliest IAS events where
there was fundraising being donewhich was primarily on the free

(13:05):
wins during maiden voyage.
That was the big deal I S thing, because Miscavige was there
and people would get handedtheir bowling trophies and the
you know, the lower level guysgot them from me or Heber or
Guillaume or someone, and thebig hitters got them from the

(13:26):
master of ceremonies himself.
If they were lucky and MrMiskovich would show up and hand
out the trophies to the bigguys, right, and that's still
the routine that they use.
I mean it is, it is hammeredinto these horse suckers that

(13:47):
hand over hundreds of thousandsor millions of tens of millions
of dollars how incrediblyimportant they are.
You know they're up to gold,platinum, butt, kisses,
meritorious or whatever theirnames are.

(14:09):
I have one of those trophies.
I should show everybody.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
I don't know if everybody's seen this except to
so damn many.
I'm going to switch it toMike's view, because I need to
switch something else anyway, soI'm going to put it to him.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
How do I do that actually?

Speaker 2 (14:24):
You just take us out.
Perfect, Can I?
How do I do that?
Actually you just take us outPerfect, I can do it.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Let me check this puppy out.
Platinum meritorious Richie andAmy A canto.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Amazing, that's crazy that.
How heavy is that thing, mike?
Like 40 pounds or 40 pounds?

Speaker 3 (14:46):
Wow, that's crazy that.
How heavy is that thing?
Mike, like 40 pounds, 35 or 40pounds wow, that's.
Crazy, it's like really heavy,but that's what they hand out,
unless you're tom cruise, thenyou get a super special one yep,
do you?

Speaker 2 (15:01):
do you know what year the IAS was formed?

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Hold on if I think about it.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
No worries 1982,.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
I think.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Okay, that makes sense, because I remember at an
IAS event when I was seven oreight years old at St Hill.
Yeah, so I think I was atprobably the first IAS event
ever at St Hill.
Yeah, so I think I was atprobably the first IS event ever
at St Hill and, I believe it ornot, got autographs from

(15:34):
Guillaume and Mark, jaeger andHeber.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
Oh, I'll give you my autograph the next time I see
you.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
You'll have the you.
Thank you, oh man.
There's so many great IAS eventstories.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
I just remembered another one when we were sitting
here.
Originally, the IAS events.
Like, the first IAS event washeld in Toronto.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Okay, and the awards were given to non-Scientologists
Wow, to like religious leaderswho were allies, oh I see.
And I think the third one washeld in Lausanne, oh, nice, and
I didn't go to Toronto.
I went.
I think the second one was inParis and I didn't go to Toronto

(16:24):
.
I think the second one was inParis and I went to Paris but I
didn't speak.
Then I went to Lausanne and Ithink that was the first IAS
event that I spoke at.
But that event was memorable for, okay, the person, one of the
people that won the IAS FreedomMedal at that event was a guy

(16:47):
from Colombia or Venezuela, andnow his name escapes me, but he
was brought up on stage and itwas all like a big da-da and he
was presented his award and then, after the event, it came to

(17:11):
light that this guy was acomplete crook oh yeah, he was
like doing some sort of goldgold trading or something and
ripping off all theScientologists and a whole bunch
of people had sort of come upwhen they saw him on the stage
and went this, he ripped thoseoff, blah, blah, blah, blah,

(17:34):
blah.
So it turns out that what theywere saying was true.
So at like 11 o'clock at night,miscavige, norman Starkey, me,
guillaume and Heber and whoeverelse was there, maybe Ray Midoff
tracked this guy down in thishotel and Miscavige took his

(17:57):
medal back.
Wow, and his name does notappear in any of the like.
The old what is Scientologybook has the names of all the
IAS Freedom Medal winners.
Yeah, he's not in that, eventhough he was in the event and
was given the medal.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, David Miscavige rewriting Scientology history
day by day.

Speaker 1 (18:21):
Mike, do you remember what happened?
This was much, many years later, but do you remember when we
shot the video for Lynn Irons?
Oh yeah, so we shot a video forthis guy.
He was the medal winner and hisname was Lynn Irons and he
happened to be the wasn't he thefather of a base staff member.

Speaker 2 (18:41):
Not only any base staff member he was the father
of Davidid miscavige's personalsteward yeah.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
So we shot a whole video in russia with this guy
and he had another guy named budthat was sort of helping him do
stuff and doing lectures withhim and stuff like that.
And I want to say the eventvideo was done and edited and we

(19:08):
were basically it was ready forthe event and to be honest,
that didn't happen that manytimes I know, like we would be
editing up to the day of theevent and sometimes the tape
would get couriered over at thelast minute because all the
editing facilities were inCalifornia and it would be

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brought over at the last second.
So this video was in the can,edited, it was all good to go,
and then somebody I guesssomebody got wind of it or
something happened and it wasrevealed.
I don't remember how we foundout, but Dave found out that
good old Lynn there the videowas him getting Scientology into

(19:52):
Russia and all of the work hewas doing in Russia to spread
Scientology all around.
And then we found out that goodold Lynn was availing himself
of the, the local, uh, femaleservices that you could get in
russia, oopsies and um.
Yeah, so we had to, webasically had to somehow salvage

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and it was all about the video.
That's really what it was.
Just, we got it, we shot thevideo.
The video is done.
What are we going to do?
So, um, dave ordered all of thefootage to be gone through and
to figure out who's in more,who's the second person that's
in most amount of the shotsother than lynn and it was this
guy, bud, and his name was budreichel and bud reichel he

(20:41):
became the Freedom Medal winnerfor that year because he was in
more shots than anybody besidesLynn.
And then I think they went andshot like a few things of him in
the front of a course room oryou know, doing a bunch of
handing out some booklets orsomething like that, and they
just spiced up the edit with him, changed the titles, changed

(21:02):
the whole interview oh, that wasit.
Changed the titles, changed thewhole uh interview oh, that was
it.
We did an interview with budfor him to tell his story and
how he'd been working on thisfor so many years and how it got
to this, and he was the medalwinner, and that was enough for
me to go like hmm, like this,literally, was all about dave
having a video that he couldshow.

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It didn't really matter who didthe work or what work was done.
But so, yeah, there'sdefinitely.
And then the last thing I wantedto say is when we did the Tom
Cruise award in 2004, there werealready three medal winners for
that year that we'd alsoalready done all the videos for

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and shot and had them all ready.
And then, out of nowhere, davewas like we need to do a video
about Tom.
And then that I've done many,I've told that story many times,
we might do a whole video justabout that, just about that.
But as soon as Tom was going toget a video, they were trying
to figure out well, would we doTom last, or would we do Tom

(22:12):
first, or how do we do that?
And then Dave just decided,yeah, we're not doing those
other three people, and theywere just not medal winners
anymore because Tom was going toget it.
And if we were going to givethe award to Tom, we didn't want
anybody else to share the stagewith him, it just was going to
be Tom.

Speaker 3 (22:26):
Right, that static is really bad yeah, I heard that
too oh, I don't hear anything.
It's you mark?
Oh, pretty sure.
Oh well, that's a bummer.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
There you go um, okay , I'm gonna take myself out.
I'll join back in.
You guys are good to go, okaywe'll just keep going all righty
yeah, there's so many is eventand video stories.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
We could go on for a week yeah, like I, because I was
always directly involved withthem, because, for whatever
reason, I was the person thathad to somehow figure out how
the events were going to getdone.
And I remember Wendy Anna.
Wendy Anna was in Tasmania.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
About as far away as you can get, and Larry Jacobs
and the camera crew was sentthere to film the video for
Wendy Anna, the IAS FreedomMedal winner.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:26):
And she was supposedly opening all these
groups and missions and you know, turning Tasmania into the
first Scientology island in theworld or something.
And they get there and findthere's nothing happening.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (23:44):
There wasn't really a mission, there weren't really
any groups, it was just all alot of BS.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
There was nobody interested in Scientology
whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
They were not getting back.
I would just say there's somany stories about IAS videos we
could go on for weeks but I onethat sticks in my mind is the
Wendy Honor one, where LarryJacobs and the camera crew was
sent all the way to Tasmania todocument her taking over the
entire island and state ofTasmania with her groups and

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missions.
And they got there and therewas nothing, and so they had to
go around and find buildings andlocations and get people off
the street to come in and sit attables and chairs pretending to
be reading Scientologymaterials in order to pretend
that there was this overwhelminginterest.

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Well, the overwhelming interestin Scientology, even with all
the fake stuff, didn't even looklike anything significant, like
they struggled so much to getanything that it was sort of
okay, we give, yeah, we'll takethat, yeah, I got.
You got 10 people in a room.

(25:02):
Okay, yeah, I know you've beenworking on that for five days,
so we don't have any more time,we'll just use that.
And I mean there are videos likethat, for like every year there
were videos like that.
These guys that were the bigpsych busters who'd closed down

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all these places.
Not so much Didn't reallyhappen.
Maybe they got an article inthe newspaper but couldn't find
most of the stuff that was beingtalked about, and this has been
a problem since the very firstdays of presenting these awards,

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and I think that the first bitthey didn't used to do videos.
Videos started intro videos forIES Freedom Medal winners
started like four or five yearsafter the actual events got
started.
I don't remember when that wasexactly, but I'm going to say it
was during the 90s.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Yeah, and it probably had to do with making it so
that nobody had to get up onstage and give a speech of any
kind.

Speaker 3 (26:12):
Well, oh, that's another thing.
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
So for the events I'll take over here, is my audio
good now?

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Yes, perfect, we'll start giving you the like.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
Uh-oh, no, no, I just set up Claire with a new mic
setup and I cannibalized mystuff to set her up.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yep, it's your fault Claire, so it's my fault.
It was my fault.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
I was the one who did it, but I didn't think it would
make a big deal.
And then I realized, oh, I needto put that back the way I had
it before.
No worries, thank you, honey, Iappreciate your help.
It's all good.
It's all good Up till theevents, and the only reason that
I know this in excruciatingdetail is for many, many years I
was over the pre-productiondepartment, which is over script

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writing, and it's over researchand assembly, and those are the
people that would feed thepeople that were writing scripts
for these events.
And so we would have to write,mike would have to write his
speech, and in a lot of times,mike would have to write other
people's speeches as well,including Dave's speech, and
then he'd give that to Dave, andthen Dave would yell at Mike

(27:25):
for all of the pieces of turdsthat he turned over on the
scripts, and then, essentially,David Miscavige would punch
those up or have somebody elsepunch them up, like a guy.
What was the guy?
The writer, dan Sherman, danSherman, have Dan Sherman punch
them up.
Good old Sherman, speak,sherman.

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Have Dan Sherman punch it all,sherman speak, and then give it
back to Dave, and then Davewould punch up what what Sherman
did.
And then he'd tell Mike, I hadto redo the whole entire thing
myself and you're like, buteverybody knew that Dan Sherman
did it, but he never said I hadto have Dan Sherman fix it and
then I had to fix what DanSherman did.
He would just say I fixedeverything.
So when we would get to theevent and somebody was going to

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get an award, somebody wouldhave to help that person write
their speech, because otherwisethey'd say insane things that
David Miscavige would be like.
No way you're saying that.
So those speeches, andsometimes these people couldn't
speak that great of English orthey couldn't speak any English,
and then we had to get atranslator and then the

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translator had to go on thestage.
It was just a giant, giantnightmare and and usually it
would be the subject of greatpain and agony for all of us
that the these speeches wouldhave to get done.
And now Mike would be the onewho would usually you would
mainly be like the runinterference with that person,

(28:51):
right.

Speaker 3 (28:52):
Because Dave's not talking to any of these people
directly no, no, no, no, no, no.
And what would happen isusually the orders with respect
to those people's speeches werethat they haven't acknowledged
COB adequately, that they're toolong and that they aren't

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forwarding whatever the messagewas Like.
If it was, ideal orgs were thebig deal at the moment.
They had to talk about howamazing the ideal orgs were,
even if it had nothing to dowith them.
They had to fit into theoverall message of the event so

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effectively.
They would be told what theywere supposed to say and only
authorized to say, specifically,they all had to be on a
teleprompter.
Like, yeah, there were guysthat were like didn't want to do
a teleprompter because theydidn't know how to do it and
they was sort of scared of itand they wanted to have their
little piece of paper.
They were allowed to have theirpiece of paper if they insisted

(30:05):
, but they had to have theteleprompter.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yes, you know, it's really funny is that you said
that thing about they had tothank COB.
That became sort of foreverything in all of Scientology
, to the point where, if youwent to a flag graduation and
you completed a course and you,if you listen to any speech that

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anyone ever does on aScientology stage, they will

(30:50):
first thank David Miscavige andmaybe sometimes they would also
thank LRH, but no matter what,they are thanking David
Miscavige, chairman, chairman ofthe board, religious technology
center, for everything he does,and it's, it's baked in to
every single speech Mike youhave.
Do we still have those eventvideos?

(31:13):
We had those for you still havesome the videos, the actual
videos?
I was thinking at a certainpoint we could do a super cut,
like we could edit one down andchop it up and then just do a
reaction.
We couldn't do a reaction videoto a whole event because
they're two hours long, but ifwe but if we chopped out,
chopped out all the fluff andmaybe did a super cut of it, and

(31:35):
then we could just rip throughit and we could comment, it
still would take forever.
We might, I would love to do itthough, because you could see,
and it would be a really goodexample if we could do it before
this is event.
It would be amazing, but theamount of just flat-out Lies
that are in these videos like oh, I know they were playing Aaron

(31:58):
Smith Levin and I want to sayit was either Mitch or Rachel,
or it was Rachel and Mitch thatdid a video and they played one
of these videos about how manythey're reaching this and
they're doing that.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but rolling thunder.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Yeah, it said they had millions of groups and
missions in this thing millionsand I was like whoa and I mean
these are from 2017 or 2018.
These are more recent thingsbut they've only shrunk since we
left.
There hasn't got.
They have not had one statisticin Scientology go up since the

(32:37):
early 2000s.
Really since the 2000s and evensince 1996, the stats have been
gone Square footage of ownedbuildings has gone up.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Yeah, empty buildings , dollars in reserve Tax-exempt
dollars that the IRS hasn'taudited has gone up.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
But they haven't gotten more people, they haven't
set up more.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
The number of broken-up families has gone up.
Yeah, that's true, but that'snot a stat.
They keep there's some up stats, but either way, Number of
channels on SPTV has definitelyskyrocketed.
That's gone up.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Boom Inches of Ntheta media.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That's gone up, yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Number of people convicted of crimes.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
Yes, that Scientology helped cover up.
That's gone up.
Yep, definitely.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
I can just keep going .
I can do my own Rolling Thunder.
Yet, Mark.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Maybe we should do that.
We'll compile all of the statsfor our IAS fundraiser.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
Oh, well, we should, we could do.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
awards too, we could do awards too.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
We could do a whole award show.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
We could do a whole IAS event.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, there you go.
I've got some trophies Back inevent mode.
I've got to get back in eventmode, Mike.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Get back in event mode.
Can you imagine?

Speaker 2 (33:52):
by the way, you were just reminding me when we were
talking that remember DavidMiscavige put together the whole
blooper reel of all thespeakers.
Could you imagine if that evergot leaked?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
oh my god well, that was well what about the other?

Speaker 1 (34:09):
yeah?

Speaker 3 (34:09):
there were.
There were deliberately shotgoofball reels on the free wins.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Well, I was gonna say there was a guy that went to
the rpf for one of those videosbecause he was the.
He was the shipping managerProductions.
And somebody gave him a tape andthey said you got to get this
to the free wins.
And he took the tape.
It was like a beta, whateverthey call beta, SP or digital

(34:36):
beta or whatever it was back inthe day.
And he took it to the airportand this was before, this was
pre 9-11.
Took it to the airport and thisis before this was pre 9-11 and
he went to the gate and he gavesomebody who was on a flight to
miami or somewhere.
He gave them the tape and thensomebody in miami grabbed the
tape and then gave it to anotherperson that was flying to the

(34:58):
free winds, was flying tocuracao or whatever.
So this tape went through twototal strangers.
Just hey, do you mind takingthis and somebody will pick it
up.
On the other end and this isalso before the days of, do not
accept anything from anyone.
That's not your luggage.
You know whatever they said.
And this, this video, was anedit of all of this footage that

(35:21):
they had shot at the free windswhile we were setting up for
the, the week of events that wasgoing there, of david miscavige
and guillermo in the engineroom doing actual work like
scrubbing the decks and down inthe engine room and that sort of
stuff, because that was such ajoke, yeah, like this was.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
This was the joke was yeah, that they all of us it
was me, it was ray, it wasnorman, that was guillaume and
dave himself doing all theseweird.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
They'd be cleaning the cabins and they'd be
scrubbing the engine room andthey'd be cooking the food, and
they'd all be doing this all daylong.
And then at the end of theevent, somebody they're like
looking, or at the end of thevideo, near the end, they're
looking at their watches andthey run to their room and they
put on their their tuxedo andrun down the hallway and then

(36:14):
that's the way the event wouldopen.
Dave would literally be runningdown the hallway to get to where
the starlight was and then theywould turn the lights on and he
would walk out on stage andthat was the gag.
That video was the video thatthis guy had couriered with
these random people just givento random people and have
brought there and and I think itwas one of those things, like

(36:36):
it was so going to not make theevent, that when it made it,
dave was like what happened?
He was like, oh, yeah, we gotit here.
And it was like well, whobrought it?
And it was like oh, it was sentby gold.
And it was like and that's, ifyou do that, like if Dave said
who brought it and you say itwas sent by gold, that's you're

(36:57):
now, you're in a world of terror.

Speaker 3 (36:59):
Because he.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
He said I didn't ask who sent it, I asked who brought
it.
And then you go like, oh well,some rando on a plane in Miami
brought it, and then a rando ona plane from Curacao brought it,
and Ryan Greaves was like offwith your head.
But there was another one.
What was the other one we did,mike, wasn't there one where?

(37:22):
Gosh, I'm blinking now.
Well, over the years we didmany, many of these things.
It became a thing that the freewins events are attended by only
the very, very highest levelScientology, like civilian
Scientologists in the world.
So you can only 250 of them,yeah, 250.
So you can only 250 of them,yeah, 250.

(37:45):
That's.
That's another tellingstatistic, because the Starlight
Cabaret, which is where they dothis event, it only fits a
little over 200 people in thatplace and once you put the event
crew and anybody else in there,it's full and they wouldn't
even fill that room.
A lot of times they would havethe Sea Org members that worked
on the free wins would dress upto fill out that room.
A lot of times they would havethe Sea Org members that worked

(38:06):
on the free wins would dress upto fill out that room and but in
order to get into that event.
You had to I want to say you'dhad to have given them millions
of dollars over the year to getinto that event.
Like and and and well they hadto be OT eight to begin with.
I was just going to say, andyou also had to either be ot8
and I think if your wife waslike ot7 or something like that

(38:28):
and you both given 10 milliondollars, then your wife could
come to, but um, but otherwiseor if you're a david biscavage's
chiropractor, you know thingslike that or his or his hair,
his hairstylist or his chef orhis or the person driving the
yacht that's sailing aroundbehind the free winds that he's

(38:50):
actually staying on His scubainstructor oh and his scuba
instructor oh my God, I forgotall about those.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
What was the name of that guy?
The scuba instructor Roland?

Speaker 3 (38:58):
Roland Roland.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Roland, oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Nice guy.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
He was a nice guy yes , oh my gosh nice guy.
He was a nice guy, but um so.
But so those guys became sortof dave made this thing like, if
you give enough money andyou're active and you're one of
the top dog scientologists, oneof the whales, so that somebody
mentioned in the comments what'sa whale.
A whale is somebody thatscientology can suck millions of

(39:23):
dollars out of on a regularbasis over a long period of time
.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
That's not a Scientology term, by the way.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
No, that's a.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
Vegas term.
It's a Vegas term for the bigcatches, high rollers.
That's what it is the big catch, the guy that's going to lay
down millions of dollars on thetables in Vegas or the tables in
front of the IAS Regis.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
Except in Scientology .
In the world of Scientology,that guy's not getting his room
comped, or free buffets or acouple of ladies of the night
sent up to his room or open bar.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
none of that.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, you're not getting any of the perks a
normal whale gets.
You're just getting harpoonedon a regular basis.
That's the only thing that'shappening in Scientology.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Until the day you die , you get handed one of those
bowling trophies.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Well, yeah, but those also.
The bigger the trophy, the moremillions you've donated.
Oh yeah, that is probablyyou're right, mike.
That may be the only perk youget is you get a trophy.
That's the one thing you don't.
Actually, there's not atransactional.
Do they have to pay for theshipping to wherever they live?
I have no idea.
I doubt it.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
That's a great question.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
But what they really do get is status, and status for
public scientologists is themost coveted thing in
scientology whether that be acertificate that says they're an
ot8.
Even though they may be themost incompetent, uh socially

(41:03):
inept, person on the planet, ifthey've got a certificate that
says they're OT8, they got bigstatus in Scientology.
It used to be that if you had acertificate that said you're a
class eight auditor, that thatwas a big status in Scientology.
But that's not much.
I mean, they're not even aclass eight or a class six

(41:24):
course anymore anyway.
But these days being an auditorin Scientology is like it's not
really treated with muchrespect.
It used to be the thing.
Nowadays it's a nothing.
It's a big old nothing burger.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, you bring up a really good point there.
So actually the bridge to totalfreedom is shrinking.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
Well, it has certainly shrunk under David
Miscavige.
The left side has justliterally evaporated.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
Halfway down.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
Yes, guys, nothing changed.
It just closed one of the lanes, that's all.
There was the lanes, that's all.
There was two lanes.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
That's a big deal when you don't have a.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Dave's repaving it and he's just been repaving it
for 20 or 30 years.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Yeah, it's just a little slow.
He's diverting it to more tripsto your bank account.
Yeah, and it's definitely notearthquake safe, because, as
what TV has?

Speaker 1 (42:27):
proven that we're shaking that bridge up pretty
good.
But those people got accustomedto being kind of privy to this
secret info that Dave and thebriefings that he would give it
was just to them.
They weren't even allowed totell anybody about some of these
things because they were sortof like behind the scenes stuff
he's working on.
Cause they were sort of likebehind the scenes stuff he's
working on.
And then and then when it cameout they'd be like oh yeah, dave

(42:47):
talked about this 17 years agoat a at a maiden voyage event.
Cause he announced the golden.
They have this thing called thegolden age of tech.
He announced that on the freewins at one of these events.
It didn't come out for five,six years after that.
And or the golden age of techtwo, or the E meter he showed

(43:07):
them.

Speaker 3 (43:08):
He showed them the E meter Six years before it
eventually came out.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
He showed it to them.
Gosh, I want to say well, heshowed it to them, or he told
them about it in 1996, when thegolden age of tech was coming
out.
He told them we even have a newmeter coming that you're is
going to blow your mind.
And I want to say that meterblew their minds about 2007,
like a decade later, is when itblew their minds and it was

(43:36):
literally.
I'm pretty sure when people sawit they're like we waited 10
years for the easy bake oven 2.0, like what the hell.
And it had been built for thatentire 10 years just sitting on
the shelf, sitting in theshelves.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
They had to have an all-hands to dust them off
before the event announcement.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
That's true.
Yep, that's true, yeah, okay,I've got another IAS story that
I remembered.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
Is that we're on the IAS theme here?
Yes, yes, we're on the IAStheme here.

Speaker 2 (44:05):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Okay, 2011.
I mean 2001.
Obviously, september 11thhappened on September 11th and
you know if you were around atthat time, you will recall that
you know for two days or threedays there was no news air
travel in the United Stateswhatsoever and for some time

(44:29):
after that there was enormousamount of hand-wrenching and
worry about you know what'sgoing to happen, because all the
TSA stuff wasn't in place.
You know that was back in theday where you could run up to a
plane as it was about to takeoff and bang on the door and

(44:49):
they'd come and open the doorand let you on and you didn't go
through metal detectors.
You didn't do anything.
Of course, October 6th or 7th isactually the anniversary of the
IAS and the event is supposedto occur then.

(45:11):
It constantly gets pushed laterand later for reasons that you
may now understand, because weneed more time to get the videos
done and we need more timebetween Auditor's Day or
whatever, this or the grandopening of that.
So we're going to schedule it.
So now it generally gets donein the beginning of November,

(45:31):
but back in 2001 it was going tobe in in October.
Yeah, so hand-wringing, thehand-wringing of David Miscavige
about whether it was safe forhim to fly to the United Kingdom
was over the top.
Yes, so me, guillaume Kiba,norman, ray Jager were all

(46:00):
pulled into the conference roomand Miscavige, very seriously
said I want to know whether it'ssafe for me to fly to the UK,
and what should we do if itisn't?
Should we hold the event?
Should we not hold the event?
Are you, morons, going to go?

(46:20):
Do it by yourselves?
You know, whatever.
And of course, I, as the headof OSA, was the one that was
supposed to come up with theanswer about whether it was safe
to fly or not, and this was oneof those predicaments that
always happens of okay, do I saythat it is or do I say that it

(46:43):
isn't, because either way couldbe just as catastrophic.
Yes yep, there's no right answerhere.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
That's right, exactly no right answer it's always.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
What is the lesser evil and what is the fallout?
What's the least amount offallout that there's right?

Speaker 3 (47:00):
right.
So I opted for sir.
For sir, you are the mostimportant person in Scientology,
so you know we can't risk youputting yourself in danger by
flying to you know a foreigncountry at this time.

(47:21):
Me and Guillaume and Mark andHeber and Ray and Norman will do
the event.
We'll all fly in separateplanes, so we're not all on the
same plane, and we will go andtake care of this, handle and
report.
So, oh, my fucking God, youguys are trying to steal the IES

(47:47):
event from me, youmotherfuckers.
I mean it was like, and thenafter that, then it becomes okay
.
So how are you going to makeabsolutely certain I'm safe?
Well, I told you already in myoriginal proposal there really
isn't a way of guaranteeing that.

(48:09):
You know, we're not even theUnited States government.
This is not sort of out of ourcontrol.
We can do things that mightmake less likely that something
could happen, but we can'tguarantee that and we should
note that he had a speechprepared for.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
Had you dared to suggest he should go, then
you're trying to destroy all ofScientology by putting his life
at risk.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Absolutely.
It's just like you can.
Those are the conversations,those questions that get posed
to you.
Like that, you know you'renever going to win.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
No, absolutely not, there're never going to win.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
No, absolutely there's just no way out.
You might as well take themedicine right?
Just say something.
Anything, take it and be done.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
It's actually any question that he asks.
Is that way he could ask youwhat you ate for lunch yesterday
and you could end up on the RPFat the end of that conversation
?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
And, by the way, mike , I don't think you know that
for this particular event, I wasthe one that ended up having to
sign the purchase order toauthorize $50,000 for his
charter flight to the UK.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh yeah, that was what ended up happening.
I think that was the first timethat there was ever a private
jet used to transport speakersto, or a speaker to, an
international event.
It became pretty routine afterthat.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
I can tell you from the finance end, that's exactly
what happened.
We would the IAS and this isanother thing which I think
might be more prevalent now butfor the IAS specifically, the
event budgets were were werepinned at a maximum amount
because they could only spendthe interest of what their

(50:01):
investments or their, theircapital was earning.
So the budget we would get abudget and would be like that's
it, that's what you get, don'tgo over anything that goes over.
Csi has to pay for that.
And one of the things that westarted to have to cover was jet
fuel in that event.
Because he was I don't know howit ended up when you were there

(50:22):
last, mike, but he would eithertake.
He wasn't getting just any jet,he was using Craig Jensen's jet
for a while, he was using TomCruise's jet, he was using other
people's.
Yeah, he was using otherpeople's jets, but we would have
to cover the fuel in the budget, so that's what would go in and

(50:43):
I and I think pilots orsomething like that, but either
way it was, it was a lot and Ithink pilots or something like
that, but either way it was alot, it was.
I don't ever remember it being,you know, less than several,
you know 30, 40, 50, 60 thousanddollars for him to go, just for
him to go to UK and back, and Ithink I don't think there was a

(51:04):
lot of hanger-ons that weregoing or entourage, it was
really just his people and thatwas it.
I don't think.
Did you ever go on a jet overthere with him?
You did, yeah, okay, so likemaybe the speechwriters or
something like that would gowith him.
It wasn't like any event crewwere going on that.
Oh no, no, no no, no, it was.

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Dave and his people that were working on speeches.
It was Dave and his people thatwere working on speeches, and
maybe George and what's his name?

Speaker 2 (51:32):
the chiropractor and Dan Sherman, stephen Price.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
Yeah, and me and Guillaume, maybe sometimes and
Jaeger, and it was alwaysbecause the speeches weren't
done.
So you assholes have to comewith me now, because I have to
sit there and oversee you and hewould go to the bed in the back
and leave us to write thespeeches, that's just what I was
going to ask I had to clean upfor days and I remember one time

(52:02):
I'm sitting there likeliterally like dead asleep, with
a speech in front of me and himcoming out of the cubby in the
back where the bed was andkicking me like you, lazy
fucking asshole, I can't believeyou fell asleep while you're

(52:26):
right.
Well, he's in the back lying inbed sleeping and I'm sitting
there trying to write his speech.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
And we did that, and that happened at the base too.
He would go to bed like around4 or 5 in the morning and then
he'd show up at 1 or 2 in theafternoon.
Well, we all had to stay up,but we had to be at muster in
the morning.
So if we went to bed at five orsix, we'd have to get a ride to
wherever we lived and then getback in and be at morning muster

(52:58):
at like eight o'clock orwhatever it was, and then he'd
show up at one or two, havingslept a good six, seven hours,
whatever it was, and then he'dbe all fresh and cheery and we'd
be like we'd be dragging assall day or all week, because
that would just go on everynight.
And and when Mike would be onthese events?

(53:18):
Um, he would be up.
Sometimes I would leave at likefour or five in the morning and
Mike would be in there stilldoing stuff in where, in these
offices, where they did all theevent speech writing was in the,
the division that I worked in.
It was in our offices, sowhenever the events would come
on, they would literally justtake over our whole spot and

(53:41):
they'd have people in there andmeetings, and it was just like
where are we going to meet crewchief?
Uh man, we'll find a place.
You just like, where are wegoing to meet crew chief?
Uh man, we'll find a place.
You know we'll go.
We'll go over in the studio,we'll go under the tree.
Yeah, we'll literally just gooutside in the grass and have a
meeting because Dave's takenover our conference room.
But when Mike would fall asleep,if Mike would fall asleep at
any point during the normal well, not even during the normal

(54:04):
workday just at any point whilethis was happening, then Dave
would call his professionalphotographer in and they would
do a whole photo shoot of Mikesleeping.
And then at the next usually itwas at the meeting the next day
where it was like did you guysget me all the speeches?
And da, da, da, da, da, yes,sir, yes, sir, yes sir, and he
goes oh, let me show you guyssome fun stuff that I saw, I got

(54:28):
reported on last night and hewould have a sheath like a, like
you know, maybe 20 or 30 printsbig eight by 10 glossies, and
he just throw them on theconference table and it would
just be Mike, in 75 differentangles, sleeping at a desk, at a
computer or something like that, and Mike am I wrong that this

(54:48):
happened like on a regular basiswhere he would do this?
It was not.
It wasn't even like it was.
Literally as soon as you'd seethat big fat stack of prints,
you're like oh man again.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
And and it was so unfair because in I mean
obviously it's unfair anyway,what a stupid comment.
But in later years, remember,he would assign somebody from
religious technology center toghost you like, not the real
world meaning of the word ghost,but to stand by you 24, 7 and
then, just every time you dozeoff, take a picture.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
I mean, what the heck kind of mental warped world is
not even wake you up, not evenlike hey, wake up we gotta well
it actually it actually gotworse when john horwich and I
were assigned to edit all of thebasic books and we had six
weeks to do without.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Our assignment was you have to edit, compare to the
original manuscripts, all ofthe L Ron Hubbard books and
produce a glossary for each insix weeks.
And how many books were there?
14, or something.

(56:03):
Yeah, 14 books I mean Science ofSurvival is like 450 pages.
Right Dianetics is like 390pages or something.
I mean it was just insane andwe had Tari and whoever else was
in the office of COB constantlyhounding us Like constantly

(56:27):
hounding us Like your timemachine order, your target date.
Your target for this is you'vegot six hours.
You have to have this book donein the next seven hours.
You have to have it done bytomorrow at 6 pm or whatever.
John and I were literally weslept on the floor in his house
just just down from the G's,because John Hall, which lived

(56:50):
in a house on the property, andwe literally slept on the floor.
I think we had a total of 12hours of sleep in two weeks
while we were editing thesebooks, weeks while we were

(57:14):
editing these books and in theend it got so insane that there
was someone, not from RTC butthe CMO, who was assigned to
stand next to me 24 hours a dayand poke me If I started looking
like I was dozing off.
I had to be poked to keep meawake so that I could edit the
most important texts in theentire universe in the history

(57:36):
of mankind with no sleep.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, absolutely no sleep, I mean, because that's
not going to be.
There's not going to be anyerrors in any of your work.
Oh that that.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
I mean that would be, that would be incomprehensible.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
And that is inevitably what would happen.
These guys would submit it andthen he would be like this is
wrong and this is wrong.
It would, it would never.
It was almost like you know, atthe end of doing all this work,
it's not going to be everythingthat he wanted from the
beginning.
That he didn't tell you is nowwhat you're going to do, and

(58:10):
that was ultimately what wassort of the game that he played.
He would be like you do it, areyou going to make me tell you
what to do?
And then you would know sir, no, sir, I'm going to do it, I
know exactly what to do.
And then you do it.
And then he would be like no,you failed, this is what I want
you to do.
And it was almost like whydon't you just tell us what you
want and we'll just do thatother?

(58:31):
When just checking everypossible other thing that could
be messed up in this book thatwas written 50 years ago by an
old fuddy-duddy that was justlike to blabber on endlessly.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
But not only that, mark.
The next phase of every one ofthose things was he would grab
someone else and say now, thisperson is going to do this

(59:30):
no-transcript.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
He was one of the only property who had read all
of the books, and it was likethat.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
It was like that for anything.
Whenever there was a thing likethat.
You'd see a new person show upand you're like what are you
doing here?
And like, oh, I'm in charge ofgetting the new, uh, the new
course done like this.
And you're like you're gonna dothat.
Like, yeah, david cob assignedme to do it.
He'd be like oh, this is gonnaend well, you're gonna be
cleaning paint buckets for me ina few weeks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
That's what's gonna happen and the number of people
that were brought in fromoutside the base to do this sort
of shit and ended up exactlythe same as everybody else.
You know, the Russ Bellins andthe Debbie Cooks and like every
Remember Rita for a while no no.
Rita from Rita Schwartzgruber,all these people brought in to

(01:00:23):
handle these projects becauseall of the incompetent sps are
gold and int couldn't do it andthey would last a week or two or
maybe a month or maybe even twomonths and then same end up,
the exact same as everybody elseand then ultimately what would
happen is miscavige would throwup his hands and say I gotta do

(01:00:46):
it myself.
Seven years later the books gotdone.
Seven years like I was given atarget of six weeks.
Seven years later he got done.
He has never completed ktl, thekey to life course.
He's never completed thebriefing course.

(01:01:06):
These are all projects thatwere done, what that went this
route the the key to life, thebriefing course, the class eight
course the organizationexecutive course the oec, yeah,
the organization executivecourse, all of these things,
that, oh my god, the l's, thetech volume, you know, you know
the l's.
Uh, I've heard Miscavige.

(01:01:27):
He must have said it a hundredtimes the L's are completely and
utterly out of tact.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Ron Hubbard, the guy that wrote that, and if people
are watching they don't knowwhat we're talking about.
There is a run, there's aseries of it's three rundowns
that you can do, only the onlyCan you do them at the free
winds now no no, no, no no.
Only at the Flagland Basin, theFlagland Base, a big building in
Clearwater, you can, is theonly place you can do it.
It's called there's L, L10, l11, and L12.

(01:02:08):
And I'm not even sure whythey're called L, but that's
just the name of them.
List List Okay, so list 10,list, that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Super descriptive labeling there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:19):
They could have just said, list, that's like L1C Mark
List 1C oh so this is list 10,list 10, 11, and 12.
List 12.
Okay, so you go in to getauditing and they ask you a
bunch of questions and whenyou're done getting answering or
getting asked these questions,you're done.
Now they charge tens ofthousands of dollars for

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Scientologists to do these.
And this is a littleScientology hack.
That doesn't matter where youare are on that bridge to total
freedom, it doesn't matter howtrained you are, it doesn't
matter what counseling you'vehad.
You can pretty much do theseexact rundowns at any point, and
it's encouraged that you do allthree together.

(01:03:03):
So it's you could.
Let's just say, if you want togo to Florida and you got to pay
for you, got to stay in theirhotels, you have to eat in their
restaurants, you're not allowedto spend any money outside of
the base, and you could spendone hundred thousand dollars
doing those three.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
Else, if you're a Scientology civilian,
scientologist, In fact, I think,mark, each has a minimum that
you have to buy a certain amountof hours on L's and it's not
refundable.
It's not like you can use itand if you buy 25 hours, the 25

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hours is gone whether you useall 25 hours or not.
It's not transferable to anyother service and I think
they're 40 grand a pop, I think,for the 25 hours.
It's $40,000 for each one orsomething like that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
You know, in that I think you get a five percent
discount if you buy all three.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
And if you're a member of the IAS, anyway but
the, but, the, the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
So the end of the story is that those are the
biggest money-making servicethat you can do at the Florida
compound, at that Flag Land base.
And now to rewind, there was aguy L Ron Hubbard had audit
audit him and his name was DavidMayo.
And David Mayo is the one whosort of formulated these lists

(01:04:36):
and did them on Hubbard and thenwrote up what he did and how it
worked and all that good stuffand what you would do, and
that's what they're using tillthis day Now that guy?

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
weren't those those called board technical bulletins
?
That, David, yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
BTBs.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Which there are none of, except if you're getting the
L's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
But also this guy, david Mayo, was in the 80s.
In the mid 80s he was declareda suppressive person.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Yes, he was declared a suppressive person.
Yes, but but not before he haddone exactly the same thing with
the new era Dianetics for OTs,right?

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
He was brought to the internet.
He was the senior CS of theflag service organization.
He was brought to the base whenL run Hubbard had a heart
attack to audit him back tohealth.
Supposedly because he was insuch a bad way he was flown,
rushed out to La Quinta and heaudited Hubbard and Hubbard

(01:05:40):
invented through that at thattime quote knots by telling
David Mayo ask me this, ask methat I mean.
Quote knots by telling DavidMayo ask me this, ask me that I
mean the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
Knots stands for New Era for OTs.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
New Era Dianetics for OTs.
But for those who are notfamiliar with Scientology, the
concept of the person receivingauditing, telling their auditor
what they are supposed to do, islike it's so I don't even know
how to describe it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
It's like it's literally like, if you went to a
psychiatrist and you said hey,listen, these are my problems
and this is why I have thoseproblems.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
Okay, now tell me that these are my problems and
this is why I have thoseproblems.
Okay, now tell me that or it'slike somebody uh, you know a
civilian telling a policeofficer.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Here's what, here's what law you need.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I'm following.
You need to arrest me on Right,exactly, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
I mean it's, it's even beyond that, but in any
event.
So the same thing happenedagain, where David Mayo was the
one who was doing this and whyhe had been brought there in the
first place.
I mean, there's so many storiesabout these.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Anyway, David Mayo was declared a suppressive and
he was kicked out of Scientology.
But worse than, a suppressive.
The issue goes on and on and onabout him being a squirrel,
isn't it like seven pages orsomething like that?

Speaker 3 (01:07:12):
No, about how he alterizes technology and he
perverts the technology and hetwists the technology and he
does this and he does that andfor the longest time all of the
Knott's materials were all DavidMayo materials Right Until Dave
.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Miscavige revised them, yeah, and they didn't go
back.
They didn't just say, oh, theygot to go back to the way they
were.
No, he changed them anothertime so that they are David
Miscavige's version.
But the best part is that theL's have never, ever, been fixed
to this day.
They've never not been writtenby David Mayo and they are the

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biggest money-making income thatScientology gets through
Scientology counseling or thatsort of thing.
Now, they just take, you know,they just get.
They take money from old peopleor they from elderly, or they
just, um, people donate, youknow, $10 million and they don't
do anything except for givingone of those bowling trophies at

(01:08:17):
my cast, but, um, but yeah.
So these are things and there,and there's lots of things that
we we're just bringing up thesethings because it's kind of has
something to do with what we'rejust bringing up these things,
because it kind of has somethingto do with what we're talking
about.
But there's probably I wouldsay there's at least another
hundred projects which davidmiscavige ordered one of us to
do in two weeks 20 years ago.

(01:08:39):
That's still not done, and um,but um, and he there's.
I wanted to say one last, andthis is what I was thinking of
earlier, when David Miscavige istaken to court, he doesn't have
anything to do with anything.
He's just overseas and he's theguy who's like the president of

(01:09:01):
Scientology.
He's just a figurehead and hisjob is really just to take care
of Religious Technology Center.
And every organization has itsown head and they all do their
thing and they're all doingtheir thing.
David Miscavige is checking thecarpet swatches.
He's checking the film shotsthat are being shot each day.
He there's piss mats under theurinals at the end base where

(01:09:23):
you go pee and a little peedrips on the floor.
He's the one who said we needto put some.
We need to put some rubber matsunder there and put some piss
mats under there.
So if you dribble a little, youdon't see it on the tile.
We're not barbarians here.
You can dribble on the rubber.
No one will know the difference.
It's black.
You're not going to see adribble and that's the level of

(01:09:44):
micromanaging that this cat'sdoing.
And so when they say this oh,he's not here or he doesn't do
that, you're like what thisplace and Aaron and Mitch were
having a showdown the other day,that if the place would run if
David Miscavige left, and I'mlike there's no way it runs when

(01:10:11):
he left, because he siloseverything and he is the only
decision maker that says yes orno or none of that.
I have a whole other idea.
But so back to this.
Is event?
If he hasn't been doing events,they haven't done it.
When's the last time they didan?
Is event?
It's?

Speaker 3 (01:10:24):
been years, right 2019, I guess yeah, before the
pandemic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
Yeah, so 2019,.
I don't think you're allowed tosay that word.
By the way, you can call itscamdemic or you can call it
anything else, but I don't thinkYouTube likes that word.
Are you serious?
Yeah, or don't say the C wordeither with the number after it.
Yeah, no, I think that's prettysure.

Speaker 2 (01:10:48):
Oh my gosh Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:10:49):
I've seen it bleeped in other videos.
I've seen it bleeped in othervideos.
That could just beovercautiousness on those
creators' parts.
Which C word Anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Great question, Mike.
Good one.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
You know the one, don't make me say it.
Anyway, mark, almost good one.
You know the one don't make mesay it.
Um, anyway, mark almost walkedright into that.
So if they, if they so, 20, 2021 22, so it's been three years,
four, three, depending on howyou count it.
They haven't done one in.
At least there's been threeevents that didn't happen and
all the other events they doseven.
Depending on how you count themup, they do seven to twelve of

(01:11:27):
these events every year and theIAS event is just one of those
and it's and Mike mentioned.
They did it in France and I wasat a.
I actually put on one of theevents that they did in Denmark,
I think they used to have themin in a different European
country and then sometimes inthe United States and then I

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think, after the war is over,event which was a 1993 at the
Los Angeles sports arena rest inpeace sports arena that they
tore it down.
It's not there anymore, but theI think from 1993 on it was
always at UK.

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
No, there was some still on the free wins.
Oh really.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
The event.
Yes, that must have been afterwe left.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
There were a couple or maybe three, I don't know.
I don't remember exactly, butthere was a couple that ended up
being at the free wins.
I think that had more to dowith the scuba diving than
anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
I was just going to say you can't go scuba diving in
the UK in East Grinstead,Sussex.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
By the way, as long as we're talking about St Hill,
obviously most people know thatI grew up there, spent many
years in the cadet organizationthere and let my family left
England in 1988.
Well, in 2007, was the firsttime I went back to England, and
our oldest son was one and ahalf at the time.

(01:12:57):
And the reason I'm bringingthis up is because this was
before the days when they hadlocked down St Hill and so we
had a rental car and we droveall the way in and right up to
the manor and we took a fewpictures and anyway it was.
It was crazy.
And then we got, of course, youknow, intercepted by a massive

(01:13:20):
amount of security and CMO.
They were losing their minds.

Speaker 3 (01:13:25):
Well, I can beat you on that one, Claire.
Ok, yeah, go for it bristie andI went to the uk in 2010 for
for the.
Oh, we went there for the umjohn sweeney show.
I was gonna say and there's allkinds of footage from pis
following you around london andyeah there is, but, but there's

(01:13:46):
better footage of when we wentto saint hill Hill, because we
were staying with Sam Domingo,yes, who was our good friend,
and we were staying at her houseand we went oh, let's go to St
Hill.
Christy's never seen it.
So we drove to St Hill and Idrove in and parked next to the
castle I just parked on the sideof the road there next to the

(01:14:09):
castle and Sam and Christy gotout and walked down to the manor
and went around the back andgot some Scientologists to take
their photos in front of themanor.
Like there they're posing, andsome poor sucker Scientologists
took their photos posing infront of the manor.

(01:14:29):
That's amazing.
Eventually, the legal der ofOsa UK realized that it was me
sitting in the car and came upand insisted that I leave.
And I'm like, well, I can'tleave just yet because Christy
and Sam are down at the manorand they're getting a tour down

(01:14:52):
there.
So you know, oh my God, thesecurity was like ah, big flap,
big flap.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
I'll drive down to the turnaround and pick them up
down there and wait for you guysto get back with them, while
they appeared about two minuteslater.
But we have those photossomewhere.
I should pull those out for ourIAS event.
Yes, amazing, we should pullout anything we can get for IAS.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
That'll be awesome about it being in England was
the way it was explained to meby David Miscavige was that all
of these other events thathappen throughout the year
they're all fundraising events,they're all money-making events
that's.
The only reason that they'reheld is either to sell something
and take money or just takemoney period.

(01:15:44):
And the reason that they haveto do this one in the UK at
least once every year is becausethey're not going to get a lot
of these foreign Scientologists,these outside of the United
States Scientologists that havemoney to all go to the free wins
.
So this event is sort of likeit's the next level down from

(01:16:06):
that free wins, that exclusivefree wins event.
This is the one right belowthat where you can all come if
you're from the United States oryou're from Europe.
But they try to get all theseheavy hitters, all these whales
from all over Europe to come tothat event so they can get
millions and millions.

(01:16:26):
And I remember back in the 90sthey were doing $20, 30 million
dollars at one event.

Speaker 3 (01:16:29):
They would get in donations and now I can't
imagine what it is that event isthe big, the big one for money
making.
They build people up foreverbecause it's the only one now
where you can potentially behanded your bowling trophy by mr
miskovich himself on stage.
Mickey witts, yeah, because youcan potentially be handed your
bowling trophy by Mr Miscavigehimself On stage Mickey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Witts, yeah, because you can get that.
At any of these other eventsthey might give you an award,
but David Miscavige is not goingto stand there and take a
picture with you, and I think Iwant to say they do the event
thing, but after the event isover, there's a whole photo
shoot that happens with thepeople and that there isn't
aren't there photoshoots?

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
the second event, the is event, occurs on friday
night.
That's the televised event.
You're right on saturday nightis the patrons ball, yes, and
all of the heavy hitters get thetables down the front near
dave's table.
You know it's all likemanipulated and organized and

(01:17:30):
they come up on stage and theyhave little spots where they
have to stand and to make surethe camera angles are right and
that they look good.
And you know they spend aninordinate amount of time
through the months leading up tothis event setting people up
for that event to give themmoney at that event, because

(01:17:57):
they love the IAS, loves to beable to tell Miscavige stuff.
You made $25 million for theIAS tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Even though they've spent months of legwork setting
it up to get that money.
You did this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:14):
And and you know you talk about all these events
being money-making you know thatthere always had to be
something to be sold at everyevent.
Yeah, and the theory was thatif there was a new book or a
course or whatever beingreleased, the release on that
day had to recover the cost ofthe event and that it was

(01:18:37):
successful if that happened andnot successful if it didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
It never happened yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:48):
Well, he would be told that it had happened well,
yeah, we would sell we wouldsell.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
We would make 1500 sets of a course and then we'd
sell those to the orgs and thenthe orgs would pay us and we'd
say we sold out.
And then those cassettes or cdsor dvds or whatever it was
would then sit in a storage roomat the organizations for the
rest of time.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
Sometimes we got wet or something, or there was a
flood or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
And sometimes the next edition came.
Yeah Well, I was just going tosay sometimes we'd come out,
we'd say, hey, we're coming outwith a new edition, we need to
know what your stock levels areon this thing and they're're
like we still have the originalamount you sent us five years
ago when this came out the lasttime.
If you come out with a new one,those are all going to be dead
stocks and be like sucks to suck.
You better sell them before theevent oh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
You remember how many , how many, how much effort was
put into trying to sell outthings that everybody knew were
now going to be out of date.
Right before the event, theywould get poor people to buy all
the outstanding, all theleftover copies that they had of
the books, knowing that therewere new ones coming out next

(01:20:03):
week and that they would beforced to buy all of the new
ones and throw away the onesthey just bought well, they did
that with the e-meter too, thosee-meters that dave was like
this e-meter is a piece of junk.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
We need to come out with this new mark 8 e-meter.
That was in 1996 when herealized that the current
e-meter that everyone had was apiece of junk.
They did a little teeny littlefix, like a little the weakest
patch kind of fix they could do,and then they came out with the
mark 7 quantum, which was stilla giant piece of junk, and then

(01:20:39):
it was a 2007 when the newmeter came out.

Speaker 2 (01:20:44):
So the Mark Ultra, the Mark 8 Ultra.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
Yeah, it's 2007.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was2007.
Something like that.
It was in the late, it wasright after I left, okay good,
so yeah 2007, 2008.
But they were selling all thosecrappy meters all that time and
then, as soon as that new onecame out, it was like, oh, you
got to throw out those otherones.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
This EasyBake is what we're making all our brownies
in the easy now.
They were so bad remember markthat muscovich had the guts
pulled out of all the marksevens at flag and replaced with
the mark eight movement.
Yes, even though nobody knew atthe fso, or anybody who was
public had no clue that, thatthese meters were actually the
mark eight meters being used atthe service because they were so
bad and you remember who gotthe first one.

Speaker 1 (01:21:37):
Do you remember who got the first fake mark?
Eight no, tom cruise, tomcruise.
We because I remembered Iremembered that we had to make
special ones in gold, becausethis is like in 2004, 2003, when
Russ Bellin and all these guysfrom the Church of Spiritual
Technology even though in goldenera productions there's a

(01:21:59):
division or department calledthe Hubbard Electro
Manufacturing Department, it wasbeing built by these guys at
Church of Spiritual Technologyand and Golden Era Productions
had nothing to do with makingthat meter for the most part,
but when they needed to retrofitone, well, they went to the
gold guys and said, hey, we needto make this look like this,

(01:22:19):
and they put all that stuff inthere.
And then that was given to Tom.
And then, after he gave it toTom, he was like you know, who
could really use these is theguys in Florida at flag, and so
then we ended up making a wholebunch of them, but but that was
an afterthought after he got Tomhis Jesus, I actually didn't

(01:22:42):
know that.
Yep, yeah Cruz, tom Cruise gotthe first one, he of a person
who wasn't in the seaorganization.
Tom Cruise was the only justregular, public, civilian
Scientologist to have a MarkVIII.
You know whatever it was fouror five years before they came

(01:23:03):
out.
I'm sure it helped him a greatdeal.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Oh, I'm sure he probably got rid of way more BTs
and clusters than anybody elseever in the history of the
universe.
He has got the highestproduction of eradicating and
removing BTs and clusters ofanybody ever.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
You know, mike, we were doing a video the other day
, I don't remember, oh, it waswith Amy and Matt, and I have a
new thing which I think it couldcatch on.
I don't know, I'm not going toforce it on anybody, but instead
of getting rid of the BTs causesupposedly you could have 10,
30, 40,000 of these body thingsattached to you instead of

(01:23:43):
getting rid of them, why notkind of harness them for your
own purposes and use them, solike, when something happens,
you just go bts activate andthen they go?
You know, you're just likethat's, you know talking about
like hey, I need the powerranges or something wonder twins
wonder twins, wonder twins,activate.

(01:24:05):
That's what you do.
You go bts, activate and thenall of a sudden you know you
have now, you plus 10,000 aliensouls.
I mean that's.

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
I don't know With who knows what varying skill sets I
mean, you know, tap into that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
That's what I'm saying they're so good at doing
all these things.
They've lived millions of years.
They're from 75 trillion years.
They're from another galaxy.
They, they're from anothergalaxy.
They could have tech that wedon't even know about and we're
basically just evicting them.
They've got nowhere to go.

Speaker 2 (01:24:34):
Are they just?

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
jumping on somebody else.
That's irresponsible.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
You know, I have to say, at one point I was like, oh
, no wonder there'soverpopulation because people
are releasing their BTs and thenthey're going and picking up
new bodies when I was in, ofcourse these guys have got it
all wrong Doesn't work that way.

Speaker 3 (01:24:54):
Well, mine used to jump on Dave.

Speaker 2 (01:24:57):
Oh I remember him saying that they used to jump on
him.

Speaker 3 (01:25:02):
Yeah, that's why the copper wire got installed.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
So they couldn't get in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:08):
They couldn't get on him, so that they would drain
out of me into the dirt insteadof jumping onto Dave.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Unbelievable.
I knew about the copper rodsthing, but I never understood
the connection.
So these were literally justlike rando BTs that were jumping
off of you and going onto Dave.
Yeah, what, he got a cold orsomething.
Why did he think they?

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
were getting on him.
Somebody needs to make BT offspray.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
BT off.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
Yeah, BT off.
You know I needed some BT ons.
I'm writing that down right nowXenu industries could look into
this To keep them on so thatthey wouldn't interrelate an
upset day.

Speaker 1 (01:25:48):
I'm going to ask Lord .
Zinu about this, because he'smy homeboy.
I'm going to ask him if we canget some Zinu off.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Well, while you, make your notes honey.
So people are asking what datethe fundraiser is.
Of course we'll check with allparticipating parties, but I'm
just going to go out on a limband suggest that we tentatively
plan on Sunday, november 5th,which happens to also be Guy
Fawkes Day.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Okay, I don't know that that is a big poll for
people.
She's clear.
Yeah, get your anonymous maskout.
Folks, we got.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
Guy Fawkes Day coming up.
Thanks for the great idea,great input.
I was thinking we could do it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Guy Fawkes Day, I was thinking, babe, we got to do it
on the day that the event isgoing to happen because that's
how we're going to get theviewers See the fundraising
event is actually Saturday the4th, that's the.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
IAS Patrons Ball Perfect, then that's when we do
it.
I think that we should do it onSaturday, the 4th.

Speaker 2 (01:26:44):
Everyone in the chat who's from England is with me.
But that's okay, We'll go with.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
November 4th.
I haven't seen one personthat's big in the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Apostate Alex came to my rescue.

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Well, Rain Virus says it's big in the UK.
I know it's big in the UK, butI hate to break it to you UK
folks.
We're not in the UK.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
We're not in the UK.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
But also you make up about 3% of our viewership.
When we look at the analytics,it is the next biggest
viewership outside the UnitedStates, but it's not that much.
But we're here and we're doingit.
We want you to see it, but Idon't know that we're going to
rally a holiday around one ofyour holidays.
We wanted to do it on the sameday so that people think, oh,

(01:27:28):
this is the patron's ball orthis is whatever, and we'll be
covering what's happening, butit'll be the SPTV coverage, not
the internal Scientology.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, we could even do it at the same time that it's
airing in the UK.
Oh, okay, because they have theevent like either 7 or 8.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
So we could do it at 2 or three in the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
That's perfect, brilliant perfect.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
I think the uk is only four hours, or did they
change their daylight savingwell?

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
no, you're.
You're closer to them than weare, so it's different for each
of us, but either way, like thelife we did with andrew last
weekend he was seven hours ahead.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
Yeah, oh seven, yeah, it's so that's five from me.
Okay, perfect, okay, sowhatever, tentatively that's
when we'll do it, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Whoever was asking, then we'll do that.
I just want to put this up fromAmy real quick because she's
piping in on one of theseclusters.
He said us executives were allone big BT cluster.
Yes, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
How does that work?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Many times I think that doesn't work, though, right
, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
I don't know, I don't understand how You're not like
really at the level.
Well, I haven't read Dianeticseven so I mean what the hell?
You know, Claire and I could gointo a bit more of a detailed
description of this.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Yep, well, you guys figure that out.
I'm gonna figure out how toharness the power of bts okay,
I'm gonna okay telling I've gota question.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
We've been there for an hour and a half.
We haven't even read a commentother than that one, or a
question or anything.
Are we gonna do any of those or?

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
yeah, let's, let's, let's, no, let's do q a, and
then we can wrap it up fortonight, yeah and first of all,
I'm putting this one up becauseit's special, I tagged it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:11):
Congratulations on the Magpies grand final win.
Ten lead changes equal secondmost.
Yes, also, is it not going tobe an instant classic grand
final?

Speaker 3 (01:29:25):
It was.
It was an absolute classic,unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:29:30):
It was great.
Thank you, Tassie.
That is very appropriate.

Speaker 3 (01:29:34):
Wouldn't have been so great if we didn't win, but it
was great, yes, it was stillgreat.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
Annabelle says thanks for saving me from Bear Attack
vid's love.
Okay, all right, you're welcome.
Oh, I'm not sure what that is,but I did watch a Bear Attack
video yesterday myself.
So I'm not sure what that is,but I did watch a bear attack
video yesterday myself, so I'mnot sure.
Uh, if that's going around.
Um sai says so lovely to seethe three of you together and
mike is looking so much betternow we need ies shirts.

(01:30:01):
Yeah, get on that, claire.
We got to get that merch readyfor the fundraiser.
I'm not sure what that's goingto be, but we'll figure
something out.
Thank you very much si, you'revery generous.
Um, caroline, we're rastika,we're rastika question what are
the?
whales, so we did answer thatthat is the uh high rollers in

(01:30:24):
scientology.
Thank you, carolyn um.
Alana um.
Thank you, Carolyn.
Alana Eshpeter been lurking foryears.
Great to see you three stillbringing attention to the shady
actions of the COS.
Read your books and waiting.
Read your books and waiting foryours, Claire.
There you go, More pressure onClaire to get her book done.
One of these years.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
I'm aiming for March 13th, Elron Hubbard's birthday.
Wish me luck.

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
See, now we're just going to time everything to
their events and it's just goingto.
Really, I got to tell you thisright now before we bring up the
next comment.
There is so much SPTV content.
I was trying to figure outlogistically how they can watch
it all and and and summarize andreport up.
I haven't figured it out yet.

(01:31:10):
It's just, it's too much theymust.
I know that they have an uhlike a transcription software
that they paid millions andmillions of dollars for that's
at this new SPTV place so theycan translate and they can do
all kinds of stuff with it.
They have to be feeding it intothat.
But I think somebody still hasto read it, somebody still has
to go through and clean it upand pick out the pieces that are

(01:31:33):
relevant.
And who got that info to us andfigure out who they got to
track down these leaks.
And at this point it literallyis just niagara falls of leaks.
There's no way absolutely traceda ace super sticker.

Speaker 2 (01:31:48):
Thank you trace Trace De Ace Super sticker.

Speaker 1 (01:31:50):
Thank you, Trace De Ace.
Trace De Ace, I like that.
Angelina, Hi, Mike, Claire andMark.
Hello Angelina.
Do the big donors know they arecalled whales?
Love you all from Mexico.
I don't think that's somethingyou say.
I suspect they do.
Yeah, I don't think that'ssomething you say in front of
them.

Speaker 3 (01:32:06):
I suspect they're proud of it, Maybe.
Yep, they're like.
They love to be categorized inthe whales category.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
I guess so they're the big donors.

Speaker 3 (01:32:14):
They're the big supporters, they're the Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
You're right, probably they do.
Well, they 100% the people thatcan give millions of dollars.
They play a little game withthese people dollars.
They play a little game withthese people and they they'll,
you know they'll work it as longas they can work it until they
have to give it over.
But, um, but they know thateverybody involved in these
transactions knows their part inthe transaction.

(01:32:41):
Um Rorschach.
2, 1, 1, 2.
The more I learn aboutScientology, the weirder it gets
.
Fascinating, subject, batshit,crazy, but fascinating, Love you
guys.
Yes, and you know that's thereason why it's funny.
At first I was trying to.
We got to tell this, we got totell that we don't, we just tell
everything as we can tell it.

(01:33:03):
There is enough crazy that ifScientologists quit and Left, we
could still talk about it for afew years and not run out of
stories.
So we're just right now.
Scientology is spendingmillions and millions of dollars
promoting our channels onYouTube.

(01:33:23):
Ads we're getting are I'mgetting Dr Berg ads, I'm getting
Scientology ads.
I'm getting ads on my channelthat Scientology are paying for.
So I don't know what to tellyou.
Scientology is kind of feedingthis beast which is SPTV.

Speaker 2 (01:33:40):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
Stephanie Stewart.
Thank you for that, stephanie.
That's very generous.
Captain Chucklesworth arrived.
Please thank the HeadleyPacking Company for doing such a
nice job shoving his ass in abox.
Yeah, you know we had,stephanie.
It's so funny that youmentioned that.
Thank you very much for thesuper chat.
I told I mean full disclosureClaire, myself and my three boys

(01:34:03):
we're the ones that pack allthese little Captain
Chucklesworth or Dirty DaveyDollar, whatever you end up
calling it.
Little Captain Chucklesworth orDirty Davy Dollar, whatever you
end up calling it.
We're packing them up.
And the other day I said heyguys, I know we're not.
I said to be rough and justshove them in the box and all
that, but you can't leave hislegs sticking out of the box.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
You got to poke.
It was like the Wicked Witch ofthe West.

Speaker 1 (01:34:31):
There were little toesies sticking out.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
I was like you got to poke all his parts into the box
, Otherwise he could lose a parton the way to wherever he's
going.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:34:35):
Our kids definitely have our supreme packaging genes
.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
That is for sure.
They're good.

Speaker 2 (01:34:41):
They are so good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Lafenda Grocklinga says what happens to the money
the orgs make in countries whereCOS doesn't have tax exempt
status.
It's amazing how much we neverends can learn here.
Yeah, now, this is a veryinteresting thing, mike.
You should kind of explain this, because this is, and also this
big thing that just happened inthe UK is a big deal in regards

(01:35:04):
to that.

Speaker 3 (01:35:05):
Yeah, it is a big deal, but understand that this
is a creative accounting 101, ascreated by L Ron Hubbard, that
all Scientology organizationsdon't make any money.
They all lose money on theirbook because they get sent these

(01:35:25):
huge bills from Church ofScientology International, from
Golden Era Productions, from allof these other things Does RTC?
Pay them.
No, the only people that payRTC are the advanced dogs.
Oh, the advanced dogs.
They pay a licensing agreementfor the advanced dog technology.

Speaker 2 (01:35:47):
Yeah, okay, it's a percentage of the value of
service delivered for advancedlevels.

Speaker 3 (01:35:53):
So all the other organizations around the world
lose money on their books sothey don't pay any taxes.
It's not really significantwhether they are or are not
tax-exempt when it comes to themoney.
What is significant about thetax exemption is the PR value

(01:36:18):
and the protection that itaffords of being able to say
you're a religious, a bona fidereligious organization.
So Scientology has it all verywell worked out how those
organizations that are incountries that do not have tax
exemption don't pay any taxesanyway because they owe huge

(01:36:39):
amounts of money and they make aloss every year.

Speaker 2 (01:36:42):
I get it Didn't that even include rent on the Ideal
Org buildings?

Speaker 3 (01:36:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Where there is an Ideal Orgbuilding that the local
parishioners have paid for withtheir donations, that is owned
by one of the internationalentities like the Church of
Scientology PropertiesInternational.
The CSRT, the Church ofScientology Religious Trust, or

(01:37:12):
one of the other organizations,the Building Management Services
Organization.
I mean, they've got dozens ofthese things.
They charge them rent and theydon't pay the rent because they
don't have the money to pay therent.
But that goes in as a bill, sothe balance sheet shows they
don't have any money.

Speaker 1 (01:37:31):
Right.
Even though their local people,in most cases, were the ones
that bought the building andpaid for the renovations, they
still don't get that.
None of that stays with them.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
Yeah, it is definitely.
Crazy, crazy it is a web ofnonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Matt Elliott, m-a-a-s-o-s-p-t-v says Mike are
you?
Still in touch with TaylorHawley.

Speaker 3 (01:37:55):
I haven't been in touch with her.
I mean, if I needed to, I could.
If you need something, let meknow.
She is the person that wrotethe treatise about Scientology
being in violation of the IRScode.

Speaker 2 (01:38:11):
She was a law student .
I remember that episode.
It's brilliant, she is.
She was amazing, brilliantthing.
Yes, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Nice, we should get her on.
You could do an interview.
Oh, you already did a fair gameepisode with her.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:27):
Okay, buckled up buttercup question.
Do the whales know they arecalled whales?
We answered that.
Sorry, I didn't see that.
That was that.
Oh, wow, look at that, tracy,not tuggy.
Hi, mark, I was in the WoodyGuthrie center today.
I thought about you.
Wow, okay, thank you, tracy.
Thank you, tracy.
Slappy White Claire is lookingradiant tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:38:51):
Thank you for that Slappy.
Thank you, slappy White.
Very true I appreciate it,thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:38:56):
Obie O'Brien award for fastest and Mark is looking
thin, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Well, thank you for that.
Mark is looking thin andhealthy.

Speaker 2 (01:39:03):
And so are you, mike.
I gotta say, yay, I'm lookingfat, I'm looking fat.
No, you're not.
Oh my gosh, Not compared tothat thumbnail picture.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
You look great compared to the thumbnail and
that was you at your best atthat time.

Speaker 2 (01:39:17):
So you're looking mighty fine.
Cheers to Radiant SPTV hosts.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
I'll tell you what you want to know, what my secret
is.
I harnessed five BTs last weekand I have them working out for
me Skinny BTs.
No no, they just work out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:33):
You harnessed ones that like to lose weight.

Speaker 1 (01:39:37):
I harnessed all those keto BTs and it's helping me
out.
Obi O'Brien says award forfastest growing SPTV channel.
Award for most channelspromoted.
Award for most viewers in alive awesome, yeah, we're
definitely going to have tofigure out all these awards.
Oh, I just thought of so manyideas.
Thank you, obi O'Brien yes,thank you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:59):
It's going to be so much fun.

Speaker 1 (01:40:01):
Mark your calendars well, do we have to?
Yeah?
We have to start the IAS one.
We'll have to figure somethingout then that I think it should
be donor based, but I'm notexactly sure how we do that and
then maybe on March 13th when wehave the birthday game that's
when we have the SPTV BirthdayGame Awards.

Speaker 2 (01:40:19):
Oh my gosh.
You know, what would be sofunny is if we can get Kelly
Copter to do an intro, butinstead of horses and flags.
It's like donkeys but insteadof horses and flags it's like
donkeys.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
Well, that's not too far off from the other idea that
I had, but we will do.
Join us now as we bring youlive.
We're going to do the wholething.

Speaker 2 (01:40:41):
Mark's going to play Jeff Pomerantz.
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
Join us now.
Donna Rose says AftermathChristmas ornament.
Not a bad idea, you knowunfortunately.
Well, there's one coming up AnAftermath Christmas ornament.

Speaker 2 (01:40:59):
Well, I mean, you could Effectively a Christmas
ornament.
You could put a loop on him andmake him an ornament.

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
No, no, he's got Velcro hands.
You could just wrap him arounda tree branch on the tree.

Speaker 2 (01:41:09):
No, he, he's got Velcro hands, you can just wrap
them around a tree branch on thetree?
No, he doesn't.
Yes, he does what?

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
What are you talking about?
Yeah, he does 100% look.

Speaker 2 (01:41:18):
Oh, okay, all right, I stand, corrected you scared me
for a second.

Speaker 1 (01:41:21):
I got descriptions with Velcro in them.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
Okay, so can people buy those things now.
Starting tomorrow, tomorrow,they're going to go.
That's what I thought.
I thought it was tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:41:32):
Yeah, it is tomorrow, but we sent out an advanced
pre-sale link which I've learnedtoday is now no longer working.
So if anyone still wanted touse a pre-sale link, just shoot
me an email and I'll send you anew link.

Speaker 3 (01:41:44):
What's the point of a pre-sale link if the link is
going to be the normal linktomorrow?

Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
yeah, well, that's the thing.
No, no, it's just advancedbecause you pay extra for the
presale link right nope, no, no,it's the same price it's just
that we're pretty sure we'regoing to sell out well, we don't
know, but it's definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:42:03):
It's looking pretty.
Um, it looks like there's notgoing to be a lot.
Um, I'm just now that we'rejust on the subject.
I've just got a little thing Iwanted to put up here for a
second.
Oh, there was an issue withyour file.
Okay, whatever, then I won't,I'll do it later.
Terry Hodgkin, your bookarrived today, mike.
Now I have yours and Mark'sbooks autographed, waiting to

(01:42:26):
get Claire's next.
I'm in awe of all that you'vedone with the Aftermath
Foundation and your videos.
Thank you very much, terry.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
Thanks, Terry.
I'm glad you got the book.
I've been sending them out likecrazy.
You have A lot of the signedones.
Well, yeah, because I didn't doit for a while and then a bunch
of people asked, and then so Iput it back on my blog and said
you know, you can get anautographed copy again.
And now I'm like going back andforth to the post office all
day, every day.

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
Yeah, I just do one run in the morning.
That's how I do it.
Well, so do.

Speaker 3 (01:42:58):
I actually, but I it sounded better to say it doesn't
sound like, it just sounds likeyou're driving around Florida
with boxes.
I don't have a team of minionsthat do my true packing, so I
have to do all myself oh boy yep, well, actually christy prints
the label.

Speaker 1 (01:43:17):
So okay, here is the.
Here's a sneak preview, guys.
I don't know if you'll be ableto see this, but, um, I can see
if we can.
Oh, I just killed us.
Um, it's all good, we'll put itback the way I had it.
If I could figure that outthere you go, oh I lost Mike, I
give up.

Speaker 2 (01:43:36):
It's okay, you don't need to see me.
There you go, there you go Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:39):
So we've got Elrond's .
This is what happened, guys.
You know these things and Ithought a lot of them were
really good and some of them aresilly and some of them are just
plain stupid, but I like thateverybody gets included.
So we kept almost all the namesthat had sort of some sense of

(01:44:01):
concession.
Is this just one page or isthere more pages?
There's more pages, but I'mjust going to show this one.
We have Elrond's Lepprechaun um, damn it.
Davy doll, puppet boy.
Davy captain.
Davy chucklesworth, captainkiebler, captain space davy
captain poopy pants.
Dave dinky, dirty, stinky troll.
Dave the fart elf and davy the,the whole troll.

(01:44:25):
And then there's a whole notherpage of a bunch of other ones,
but those are the things thatyou guys are going to get to buy
, um and I call mine fake NavyDavey because I think that's the
best one and there is fake NavyDavey is on there as well.
So, um, we have fake Navy Daveyand there's another one, space
Navy Davey or something else.
Anyway, uh, but I want to whatI want to have you guys do if

(01:44:47):
you do end up getting one, or ifyou don't even get one, I at
least want you to go to the SPshop and read the descriptions
and give me your feedback on thedescriptions.
I did spend a lot of timeputting those together and some
of them.
I mean, if you don't laugh outloud, you're definitely going to
laugh to yourself.
You're going to laugh in yourhead, okay?
Oh, yes, your mind's eye isgoing to be looking at some

(01:45:09):
laughing, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
If you're feeling down, just go to the spshopcom
and read some descriptions,you'll get some chuckles.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
Oh my God, how do you say this doctor?
Is it Juan Le, juan Le?
That's what I'd say.
Okay, juan Le, juan Le.
Thank you you very much.
This person has been sogenerous.
Yeah, she has donated um.
She's done a ton of uh, if notsuper chats, just donations by.
I think she bought um thoselittle dolls that we could do a

(01:45:43):
giveaway with um the captainchuckles.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
She purchased five paperback books which we gave
away, and she has an amazingsurvivor story herself.
So yeah, just an amazing person.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Thank you for that.
She says love work all SPTV andAftermath Foundation do, making
my lab students listen to youand SPTV six hours telling them
to subscribe.
Wow, m&m.
Listening to your books as I go.
Keep having Mission Impossiblestyle escape dreams.
Blessing to your health, mike.

Speaker 3 (01:46:21):
Amazing.
Thank you so much, thank youvery much.

Speaker 1 (01:46:23):
You're very generous.
Thank you very much for that.
Yeah, oh my goodness, we hadsomebody on here the other night
that said they made their was.
It wasn't their students, itwas something else.
They made every oh theirco-workers.
They made their.
They had 30 co-workers.
They made subscribe to SPTV.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Yes.
I was like and another personanother person said that they
got their entire dentist officewatching SPTV.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:50):
You know, I don't know if we said this, but we
were in an airport, Mike andsomebody came up to us in Denver
Airport and they were gettingoff a flight and we were getting
on a flight and we were just,you know, you know, you know,
when I'm in airport mode we'relike it's on a mission.
We got to get the whole familyto this plane and through
security.
Anyway, this guy stopped and hewas just like, oh um, I just

(01:47:13):
I'm sorry to bother you, I justwanted to say go sp tv.
And I was like what?
the same happened at the airportairport oh that's right at
tampa.
It happened as well.

Speaker 3 (01:47:24):
I forgot about that it happened to me in the
supermarket like three days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:47:29):
Oh my gosh, that's amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:47:31):
And at Homies five days ago Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
Yeah, sptv, sptv Nation.
Yeah, okay, we're going to talkabout you, kay.
I'll know you're going to getan apostate Alex in here.
If I hit 10K, youtube will letme do a fundraiser.
Help me get there and I'll livestream the protest outside the
IAS event.
For the aftermath oh yeah,sorry, I forgot about that.

(01:47:56):
I heard there's going to be aprotest at the St Hill during
the event.

Speaker 3 (01:48:01):
Oh my, God, it would be so cool if we can show little
clips of that.
Yes, happening live.

Speaker 2 (01:48:07):
During our live fundraiser.

Speaker 1 (01:48:09):
This is turning into a big thing.

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
Yeah, we're going live to the scene.
Apostate Alex, what's happeningdown there?
Our correspondent is on thescene here.

Speaker 2 (01:48:20):
What's going on down there?

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Has Davey been sighted?
Has anybody seen little Davey?

Speaker 2 (01:48:28):
And now we'll tune in to our correspondent at what's
the name of the airport, mikeFarnborough.

Speaker 3 (01:48:33):
Farnborough, farnborough.

Speaker 1 (01:48:35):
Any sightings at Farnborough no.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
Any private jets arrived?
Nope, all right, we'll comeback to you in a minute.
Back to St Hill.

Speaker 1 (01:48:44):
Yeah, oh, that would be so amazing.
We might have to upgrade ourStreamYard subscription to pull
that off.
I actually you know who coulddo.
It is Aaron, because he mighthave like the King Daddy set up
over there.
Yeah, we'll have a strategysession where you're going with

(01:49:12):
this.
Uh, laura font says mike, it'sbeen said you have the most
complete collection of cos books.
Were you able to go back andget your belongings after you
left, or were you gifted books?
Please tell me you didn't payfor that shit again I didn't.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
I didn't pay a penny for any of it and, no, I wasn't
able to go back and get my stuff.
And if I'd gone back to get mystuff they wouldn't have given
me any of the scientology stuffanyway.
So no, I every, everyone, everybook, all the oec vols, the
tech vols, like realize thatpeople had like more than one

(01:49:42):
copy, many people because they'dbeen, you know, beaten into
buying copies of these books andmaterials and they had them
sitting in their garage.
I mean, I had all the congress.
I threw most of those that shitaway because I didn't have time
to ever listen to it or gothrough it or try and find
anything in there and there's noindex.

(01:50:03):
So they're pretty useless to me.
But I, I have the tech ballsover there and the oec and, you
know, the um.
Oh, there was another projectthat never got completed the
blue volumes, the r&d series.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
You know, there's a guy.
There's a guy that was onaaron's channel um last week.
I can't he.
I think he's from Edmonton,he's from Canada somewhere.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
It's PTS for Life.

Speaker 1 (01:50:32):
PTS for Life is the name of his channel.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
I think he's here in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:50:36):
Oh, amazing.
Anyway, he has a complete setof the LRH ED packs.
Do you have those?
So do I.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
Oh, I didn't know you had those.

Speaker 1 (01:50:45):
I thought it was like a big find.
I thought it was like Mark wasready.

Speaker 2 (01:50:53):
Oh, look at you.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Look at you Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:50:56):
I've got those.
I've got the Introduction toScientology.
Ethics Specialist.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Oh, my God, I did that.

Speaker 3 (01:51:06):
I've got an earlier edition of the Hubbard Ethics
Specialist course.

Speaker 1 (01:51:10):
Oh, wow.

Speaker 3 (01:51:13):
This is my special course, the PTSSP course, and I
mean I've got lots of stuff nice, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:51:22):
Well then I will tell you of course.
Well, I'll tell him that I nolonger need his then.
I didn't know that you had afull set already.
Um, your set actually is abetter set than the ones he has,
those old kind of um spiralbinder.
Um, oh, I know, yeah.
Yeah, that was the previousversion before the one you had.
Yeah, um, uh, here.

(01:51:45):
Oh, amy scobie's in the house,hey, amy, hey, amy, mike was
always in the hot seat, he wasyes, he was I cannot.
For the whole 15 years I wasthere.
Um, yeah, I'm going to say youwere in the hot.
For the whole 15 years I wasthere.
Yeah, I'm going to say you werein the haunt seat the whole
time.
The only time I didn't thinkyou were as in the haunt seat
was when I was in Los Angeles,when you would come down to the

(01:52:08):
L Ron Hubbard Life exhibitionthat was in the Hollywood Tea
Building.
You seemed to kind of be likechill while you were down there
because you didn't have Davebreathing down your throat.

Speaker 3 (01:52:18):
Well, that was also when I was the LRH Post Bureau
Int.
I wasn't in OSA world, oh soyou were the PR guy.
Yeah, he was the L RonHubbard's public relations
officer that was what your jobwas.

Speaker 1 (01:52:32):
Dead Ron's public relations officer, that's right,
you were the PR guy for a deadguy I mean that's got to be
easier than OSA.

Speaker 3 (01:52:40):
It was a high-paying job.
It was a very high-paying job.

Speaker 1 (01:52:44):
Did you make $46 a week on that job too?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:52:46):
did, sir yes.

Speaker 2 (01:52:48):
But at one point Mike was actually going to be Dave's
project operator Were you.
Mike, yeah, you were going tobe in his personal office just
getting his orders done.

Speaker 3 (01:53:04):
Well, I was always on the hot seat, but then, on the
other hand, you know, in betweenthe hot seat moments, I was
also like one of the heroes,Like you know.
You know, Mark, at one point hesent me back to RTC from
Clearwater and I was running RTC.
I remember that and I wasn'teven in RTC.
That's when I was still there.

Speaker 1 (01:53:24):
That's when you and Claire crashed on the motorcycle
.
That's exactly right.
Yeah, you were driving.
Were you driving a car?

Speaker 2 (01:53:30):
and she was driving a car.
She was driving a car.

Speaker 1 (01:53:33):
Yeah, were you both driving cars, though.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (01:53:35):
Yes yeah, were you both driving cars though?
Yes, yes, and I just fell offmy motorcycle.
That was a separate incident.

Speaker 1 (01:53:40):
Oh, that's right that was a separate thing, but I
remember market.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Mike and I have um several different crash related
memories together but I rememberI was like this guy was.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Yeah, they were both these were yeah, exactly, you
got to harness those things.
I'm telling you we're ontosomething.

Speaker 2 (01:53:58):
No, no, it was associated with lack of sleep.
The car crash was at fouro'clock in the morning, it was
raining and Mike was headingdown to the hole and, at the
last minute, change his mind anddecided to turn and oops, there
was I crashed intoashed into my.
That was one.
And guess what, guess what?

Speaker 1 (01:54:19):
I just got to bring it up.
No reports were written and noone was off the road after that.
No, Mike didn't stop drivingClaire didn't stop driving I
couldn't afford to stop driving.
Yeah, I know, but that was oneof the things you had to follow
the rules until you didn't, andthen it was just free for all

(01:54:40):
anyway.
But yeah, when I came back Iwas when you came back and you
were doing that I was like wewere in a meeting with this guy
months ago and Dave said that hewas the biggest SP on his lines
of any SPs, including the SPsthat were in the outside world
attacking Scientology, and nowhe's running RTC for Dave.

(01:55:01):
I was just like my mom, I can'tkeep up with.
Uh, you know, like sometimesyou'd see somebody and you'd
you'd treat them like yes sir,no sir, and they'd be like you
don't have to do that, and you'dbe like why is?

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
that and you're like.

Speaker 1 (01:55:11):
I'm the deputy deputy D weeder now and you're like
what, you're pulling weeds?
And you're like yeah, andyou're like well, then, fuck off
, then Go back to do what I wasdoing.

Speaker 2 (01:55:21):
I'm like, wow, I didn't even know that post
existed.
Yeah, no, it was created for me.

Speaker 3 (01:55:27):
That's what they say.
It was created for me.
I'm junior to the junior ofSpike Bush.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
Yep, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:55:35):
Okay, now I don't know.
Okay, oh, I get it.
Lathanda grockling again.
Thank you, lathanda.
Um, reese just said on that'srelatable reese.
Uh, you can go to her channelif you want to subscribe to
reese.
Reese just said on aaron's livea few hours ago that her
mother-in-law told her that hermother-in-law and father-in-law

(01:55:56):
paid 100k each for the l'sflights rooms.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
Food was extra there you go, I'm telling you guys
that's a hundred thousanddollars.

Speaker 1 (01:56:07):
Yep, um, to do these things that were written by the
biggest sp before mike showed up.

Speaker 3 (01:56:13):
Um, it's unbelievable , david well, actually it was
actually before, before Martyshowed up, and then Mike, that's
true, but Marty's now not an SPanymore, you know, that's
really funny because-.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
He's a real SP.

Speaker 1 (01:56:26):
The whole time we were there.
Dave always tells these stories,like Mayo stories or Jeff
Walker stories or Gio stories,or when he took over, when he
busted a mission yeah, he hasall these stories and they're
always about the people that areno longer there to defend
themselves or tell their versionof the story.

(01:56:47):
And then when you get out andyou talk to some of these people
like that never happened, Ihave no idea what you're talking
about.
You're like oh, dave has,literally, he even plays
make-believe in his own head,like not, he doesn't just push
it out to everybody else, mikebrown, thank you, mike brown.
Hey, mike, thanks for thedribble matt.
Visual mark, absolutely.

(01:57:08):
And you know who fixed thosemats.
Axel.
Anybody shout out to axel.
I know you're still in, but yougot out of the seahorse.
You and your wife were in adepends commercial.
I mean, you're doing whatyou're doing.
You have kids now, you'rewelcome in.
But you got out of the Sea Org.
You and your wife were in aDepends commercial.
I mean, you're doing whatyou're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:19):
You have kids now, you're welcome.

Speaker 1 (01:57:20):
But Axel was the one who got those dribble mats put
in by order.
Axel, this kid named Axel.
He was the—in the Sea Org.
They have really stupid namesfor things.
He was the cleaner in thegalley called him the um
massacre canyon inn.
So mci sanitation engineer.

Speaker 2 (01:57:43):
He was a sanitation engineer oh my god, I totally
forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:57:46):
And he was the one who got.
He was, I think he was actuallyin the bathroom cleaning the
back.
He was mopping the floor orsomething and dave came in and
he was mopping under the urinalsand dave said hey, what are you
doing?
He's like I gotta mop thesethings.
He goes all these, these barebarbarians are peeing on the
floor.
He goes yeah, and you gottaclean it, otherwise you see it
on the floor and he goes youknow, you could put a rubber mat

(01:58:07):
there and then the pee would.
You wouldn't even see it.
And so when he said that to thatkid, you could put a rubber mat
there and then you wouldn't seethe P, then that was an order
to him and somebody would havecome down If Dave um didn't say
this is.
Dave doesn't say this is anorder, you have to do this.
He leaves, and then somebodycomes down from his office and

(01:58:30):
you have an order now from DavidMiscavige to get P mats for
under the urinals.
And then all these people startshowing up out of the woodwork
and like, uh, where are wegetting the mats?
How are you going to pay forthe mats?
Let's get a PO approved.
I mean, it's a whole team thatis like the piss mat project
right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
Yeah, and just as a comment, there's nothing that
makes a men's bathroom smellbetter than hidden pee under
mats.
I mean wow.

Speaker 3 (01:58:56):
Do you want to bet?
He had to get the mats approvedyes, no, I know he did.

Speaker 1 (01:59:00):
Oh, no, no I remember he sent up a compliance report
saying what was ordered, whatwas done and evidence, and he
had to take pictures of the mats.
I mean, I went in there, I peedall over him and uh, and we
didn't see it.
So it was like it's, it's apass, dude, it's gonna work.
Denise brown says ten uh, clipthat.
Kate didn't clip that.
Um, denise brown, old fuddyduddy who just liked to blabber

(01:59:25):
on, I can't stop if that's notcloser to the truth than any
other uh biographer.
Authorship of elrond hubbardyeah, elr, l Ron Hubbard, an old
foady.
We got to put that in the introvideo.
This event celebrates L RonHubbard, an old fuddy-duddy who
loved to dribble-drabble on.

(01:59:46):
Okay, thank you for that,denise, and then we can have a
sentence of himdribble-drabbling on, yeah, like
.

Speaker 2 (01:59:52):
There you go, folks, hey hat.

Speaker 1 (01:59:54):
Some people like to talk to hats.
Hey there, hat, that's a goodone.
We should definitely play thatone.
People who know know L RonHubbard was dropping the few N
words when he did that one.
Oh, by the way, I do have tomake a correction.
This is another clip, caden.
Sorry, I put that up.
Shoot, I got mind wiped byApostate Alex.

(02:00:15):
They have motion sensors andcameras with facial recognition
all over St Hill now.
I flagged up when I visited afew weeks back with a drone.
Wow, that's amazing.
So you know, I've seen thistechnology firsthand.
I think I might have even toldMike about this.
But they have cameras now thatyou can plug in to the Internet,
have cameras now that you canplug in to the internet and once

(02:00:41):
your face and the whole kind offacial recognition system, if
you and the the one.
The demonstration that I saw wasfor a grocery store and the
camera is in the aisle andthere's like um, where the price
tags are are video screens oror coupons or video banners, and
when the camera sees you, itjudges everything, knows your
demographic, where you live, itfigures everything out based on

(02:01:04):
your facial recognition and thenit put.
It puts ads up for stuff thatyou're going to eat.
And the guy said, try it andyou will be freaked out.
And so I walked down the aisleand then he goes, okay, and he
went over.
We went over to computer screen.
It literally had my shoppinglist on the screen of what
things that I buy, like rightnow, things that I buy, and I

(02:01:24):
was like that's scary.
So they probably just have allof the rogues gallery.
They have a picture of every spin the world and in binders and
all organizations have thesebinders so that if mike or mark
or claire or apostate alex showsup at an org, they can look
through their binder and see, oh, that guy, yeah, we know that's

(02:01:47):
this guy.
But if they're doing it withcameras, now that's crazy.
That's a lot of money.
That's what they're spendingyour money on, that, well,
that's because Dave wants to beable to go there.
Yeah, oh yeah, Look at thatBonanza.

Speaker 2 (02:02:02):
Sue B $299.

Speaker 1 (02:02:04):
Thank you very much for that, sue B.
All this is blowing my mind,learning so much.
Thank you, sue B.

Speaker 3 (02:02:11):
That's what we're here for Fascinating, incredibly
valuable snippets ofinformation.

Speaker 1 (02:02:16):
Well, I mean to be fair.
A lot of people they see likethis Nixxiom, or they hear about
this other cult, and there'slike a hundred people, there's
26 people, and they're doingthis.
We're talking about probably25,000 people that are involved
in all this right now, today,that they don't know any of this

(02:02:39):
stuff.
They think that David Miscavigeis driving them off into the
sunset on the and they're goingto.
There's millions and millionsof Scientologists over the world
and there's like 25,000 andthey're.
I mean, he's been, he's beendriving them along the rocks for
the last 20 years.
I don't know how they haven'tsunk yet.

(02:03:00):
Eat more pizza now.
I listened to both Mike's andMark's books on a recent road
trip.
I was amazed at what ill Daveyhad done to each of you, Lil.

Speaker 3 (02:03:09):
Lil Lil Davey.

Speaker 1 (02:03:11):
Lil what Lil Davey had done to each of you Very
touching.
I understand why it must betough for others to write their
own stories.
Yeah, it is.
It's not a I mean, it's not forthe faint of heart.

Speaker 2 (02:03:26):
No, it is not.

Speaker 1 (02:03:28):
And I do want to say sometimes people bring this up
that we're very jokey and we'revery, you know, we're flippant
about some of these things.
If you were there for theamount of years we were there,
we already went through theringer, we've already and, and,
and, and.
If we retold the stories and wedidn't laugh about them, the

(02:03:48):
only other emotion is to cry, soor to be very, very angry and
to break things.
So, which I my method is to tryto, you know, try to make it a
little light tell the stories.
The people that are watching,that are in Scientology, that
are watching this videos, they100% know that what we're saying
is true, because we're usingall the lingo and we know all

(02:04:11):
the players and the people andwe were there and we were there,
so they know this is legitthere.
There's no way a Scientologistcould watch one of our videos
and say, oh, those guys arelying.
It's impossible.
They know Well, they say itWell, but they know that we're
telling the truth.

Speaker 2 (02:04:28):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:04:29):
LJ.
Are the meters approved by anyregulatory agency CE Mark in
Europe or FDA, us or UL rating?
I don't know about this new one, but I doubt it.
It's a religious artifact, soit's sort of like you know,
exempted.
Yeah, it's like I'm.
I'm not, I don't know what tocompare it to, but it's not.
It's not even a real.

(02:04:49):
To be honest, it's a inside ofthat super high-tech thing that
they sell for $5,000.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
The Easy Bake Oven.

Speaker 1 (02:04:58):
No, no, it's a $40 circuit board.
I mean, I want to say it's noteven bigger than a playing card.
That's about how small it is,it's about as big as a playing
card, and not even the circuitboard is $40.
The whole cost of the entirething is $40.

(02:05:19):
And they're selling it for$5,000.
So yeah, it's a joke.
Peace Dog super sticker.
Thank you, peace Dog.
We appreciate that.
La Fonda, again BTs assemble,bts activate, bts activate.
Well, it could be BTs assembleand then BTs assemble, bt's
activate, bt's activate.

(02:05:39):
Well, it could be BT's assembleand then BT's activate.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
BT's all hands.

Speaker 1 (02:05:42):
All hands when you think about that.
I'm telling you guys I'm goingto start a trend of BT armies.
Salty Beach Girl Lori, so happyto see everyone, so happy.
Been catching up on old videosand every one of you made me cry
this week.
Love, love, love you all.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
Thank you for that I didn't mean to make you cry, but
I mean it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:06:01):
It's it is what it is it's sad shit, adorably anarchy
, adorable anarchy question howdid tom cruise ever read
dianetics when he had dyslexia?

Speaker 3 (02:06:11):
that's a very well, he got the same out of it that
everybody else did, yeahrambling fuddy duddy nonsense.
If the letters and words arejumbled up, it doesn't really
make that much difference.

Speaker 1 (02:06:22):
You know there is a video called the Dianetics
How-To Video and you can watchthat in a half an hour and you
can do Dianetics without evenreading the Dianetics book.
You just have to follow thevideo.
The video has taken the keyparts of that book and made it
so you can follow it and youdon't have to read whatever it

(02:06:44):
is 300 pages of fuddy-duddynonsense that that is the only
book that appear, or the onlyhubbard book that appears on the
amazon bestseller list everyou're right.
You're right Usually your bookis outranking it every single
week.

Speaker 3 (02:07:01):
I'm going to look right now, Leah's, yours, Jana's
.
There's a resurgence, and youknow crazy it is.

Speaker 1 (02:07:11):
I'm going to look you guys riff while I.

Speaker 3 (02:07:14):
I think Leah's.
I looked the other day andLeah's was number one, for I
don't know, maybe she put up aYouTube video and talked about a
book or something.
I don't know.
Nice, mine has been number one,and three and five, the audio,
the, this, the that, for likebasically a year since it was
released.

Speaker 2 (02:07:30):
Yay, congratulations.
Okay, so unknown person, justread your book, mike.
Sounded like you hatedMiscavige more than Scientology
itself.

Speaker 3 (02:07:40):
I think that that probably is true, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:43):
All right, and then here we go, rk.

Speaker 3 (02:07:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:07:48):
Event name suggest IASP TV.
Yes to Guy Fawkes Day Claire.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
Yay.

Speaker 2 (02:07:54):
See I got another Team, Claire Yay.
I like how she starts readingthe comments.
Guy Fawkes Day Claire Yay, SeeI got another Team, claire.

Speaker 1 (02:07:59):
Yay, I like how she starts reading the comments and
suddenly her pro comments arethe ones being pulled up.

Speaker 2 (02:08:07):
Convenient Carolyn Rorastica.
Thank you, laura Estrada.
I relate all the crazytraumatic stories to my
80-year-old mom.
She enjoys it as a sci-fi saga.
I relate all the crazytraumatic stories to my
80-year-old mom.
She enjoys it as a sci-fi saga.
I'm reading to her there you goWell, that's one way to do it
for sure.
Oh my God, fee in the Shed.
I'm with Claire.

(02:08:28):
Yay, another team, claire.
Have the boys never seen?
V for Vendetta Bonfire Night isperfect and appropriate.
Why?
Thank you, fia in the Shed.
Great comment, carolynMorastica.

Speaker 1 (02:08:43):
I'm just gonna pop out and get my boots real quick
because it's getting prettythick around here.

Speaker 2 (02:08:52):
Thank you for saying my surname correctly.
My husband is Balinese.
Best wishes to you all fromMelbourne, Australia.
I think that was for you, Mike.
I think you're the only onethat said it absolutely
correctly.
John Satowski in the house.
Thin Mark is off the crackers.
Yes indeed, no crackers allowedin this house.

Speaker 1 (02:09:11):
That's true.
I had to get away from thosecrackers.
That was just not helping me atall.
That's funny.

Speaker 2 (02:09:17):
The fudge isn't much helping the cause either, but
that's okay, oh thanks, johnSatowski.

Speaker 1 (02:09:21):
That was him too that said that.

Speaker 2 (02:09:23):
It was I know when he messaged yesterday.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
We got this fudge.

Speaker 3 (02:09:27):
Oh my God Uranus.

Speaker 1 (02:09:27):
Uranus Fudge Factory General Store the best fudge
yeah, look I know, well, he sentme.

Speaker 3 (02:09:43):
Uh, that's too close babe, that's way too close.
He sent me throat lozenges ohnice back like a few months ago.

Speaker 2 (02:09:50):
Nice thank you for the super sticker tomorrow.
We appreciate it, cody mac.
Hey, all I was curious what youmight know about nash Nashville
, or literally no one ever there.
Does Sea Org run it?
Definitely no C's at that CC.

Speaker 3 (02:10:05):
No celebrities at that celebrity center.
Well, Aaron and I went by andvisited that like I guess that
was like six or seven years agoor something, maybe when we were
there for a convention inNashville and there was one of
those VM yellow vans with a flattire in the parking lot and

(02:10:28):
maybe two other cars and thatwas all.
That was the entirety of thepopulation of the Celebrity
Center Nashville, Nice.
Wow.

Speaker 1 (02:10:41):
Here's the Amazon bests.
Oh, you've got to be kidding me.

Speaker 2 (02:10:48):
I'll keep going on the comments while you fix that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:50):
If we go like this, we can read it, yeah right,
exactly there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:10:55):
Okay, donna Rose, can someone get a drone over the
IES site for live reports?

Speaker 3 (02:11:00):
Oh, I guarantee they have thought of that, I
guarantee you.

Speaker 2 (02:11:04):
Yeah, I'm sure too.
You're right.
Tina Christensen, hi fromHighlands Ranch, love and admire
all of you.
Well, hello back HighlandsRanch.
Yes, indeed, our neighbor,tenacious Art Girl.
I want to suggest SPTV startingfun and cool raffles to raise
more money for y'all, like winlunch in Clearwater with an SPTV

(02:11:27):
personality, et cetera.
Nice thought.
Well, we have a lot more comingon that.
We've been slowly but surelygaining momentum over at the
After foundation.
We just added an amazing newauction platform.
So we'll see.
We'll see what's on the horizoncoming soon.
Renee hale.
Thank you for the super chat.
Love you guys so much.

(02:11:48):
My first live and my firstsuper chat amazing, we
appreciate it yes, we certainlyhope so.
Thank you for being here with ustoday.
And here we go.
Free Xenu project of Farsic.
Mike, I'm so glad you're doingbetter.
It is so good to see you, markand Claire, back together again.
You all do more to help peopleof the world in six months than

(02:12:11):
Scientology has done in theirentire existence.
Yes, that fun fact is not loston us, believe you me.
Oh my goodness, all righty.
Melanie Kwek, can you just seeLeah being interviewed on the
golden rod carpet?
What a hoot.
Oh my goodness, yeah, there yougo Golden rod carpet.

Speaker 3 (02:12:32):
We need a golden rod carpet now guys.

Speaker 2 (02:12:34):
Yeah, I know right, we've got a growing list of
event requirements.

Speaker 1 (02:12:40):
This sounds like a lot of work.
For me, that's what it soundslike.

Speaker 3 (02:12:47):
No comment which all goes to Glit.

Speaker 2 (02:12:50):
Yeah, somebody's got to do it.
Write that down, honey.
Somebody actually has to do it.
Write that down.

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
Somebody actually has to do it.

Speaker 2 (02:13:00):
Write that down.

Speaker 3 (02:13:05):
Mike, if you were still in OSA what would you do?
About SPTV.
Throw up my hands in despairand walk out the door.

Speaker 2 (02:13:10):
Yeah, there you go.
He just did it.
He's done it.
There you go.
Good answer Free Zinu projectof Farsic Flippant, flippant,
Flippant Mark.
I resemble that remark.
You might have meant resentthat remark, I'm not sure.

Speaker 3 (02:13:24):
That's what you say.

Speaker 2 (02:13:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:13:26):
Okay, I resemble that remark.
Oh yeah, You're really doing agood job with this.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
Mark, I got it.
Yeah, there you go.
Okay, I'm doing a great job.
Denise Brown super sticker.
Thank you so much, Denise.

Speaker 1 (02:13:41):
Okay here we go.

Speaker 2 (02:13:42):
Andy Fabulous.
Oh okay, hold on, I'll justhide this for a second Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:13:47):
So Mike is slaying it right now.
So this is the right nowScientology bestsellers on
Amazon.
Mike is number one, number two,leah's number three, number
four, jenna is number five.
Okay, oh, look at that andnumber seven is dynamics, and

(02:14:14):
that is the paperback version.

Speaker 3 (02:14:18):
That is the first time that has been that high.
They must be doing something,telling people to buy books.

Speaker 1 (02:14:24):
They're putting out millions of dollars on Google
ads right now.
Millions of dollars.
Mike's book is number eight.
And then the audio version ofDianetics is number nine.
And then I've never even heardof the number 10 one welcome to
transhuman.
And then bare face massage,number 11.
And then Dianetics, thehardback edition, is number 12.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
Wow, A big push on Dianetics to try and get it up
on this bestseller list.

Speaker 1 (02:14:54):
And they can't even get it to into the top five.
They can't.
That's amazing.
I can't believe, though.
That's my audio book too.
Plug for the Blovergood audiobook.
If you haven't read that, youcan get that on Audible.

Speaker 2 (02:15:09):
Yeah, and we should factor in that we're not even
selling your paperback andhardback on Amazon anymore
either, by the way, so that'snot even in the mix.

Speaker 1 (02:15:18):
Oh, that's true.
That's why it's not even thosearen't even on there.
We're selling a ton of those,but we just sell them direct now
because Amazon's just taking mymoney.
But I'll let them take themoney for the Audible.

Speaker 3 (02:15:30):
But I just want to put in a plug here.
I just found out people askedme when I said that now the
paperback edition the tradepaperback edition of my book is
coming out in February and youcan preorder it on Amazon
already.
And a lot of people asked mebecause it has a new afterword
which sort of updates everythingover the last year.

(02:15:50):
If there's going to be a newaudiobook, be a new audio book.
And simon schuster wrote to methis week and said yes, we want
to do a new edition of the audiobook with the afterword now
added to it, so there will be anew audio book coming out.
Uh, I guess with the paperback.

(02:16:10):
I don't know when I'm going torecord it, but I'll do it soon
nice that's good news, good news.

Speaker 1 (02:16:16):
Great news, andy, fabulous.
Thank you for that.
Andy need to make LRH P mats.
With his face on it and tonguesticking out to catch drops of P
, make a great Christmas gift Pon Matt.
Okay, now listen, andy,fabulous, I'm following your
line of your train of thoughthere.
But let me throw this out toyou you can buy custom urinal
cakes with someone's face onthem and then you put those in

(02:16:40):
the urinal, so there's not amatter of something dripping on
it.
You're going to get a good hardstream on that cake.

Speaker 2 (02:16:49):
As a mother of three boys, I think we should
recommend that it all goes in,not drops.
We shouldn't be promotinganything having to do with
external drops anyway, I haveresearched, I have researched
this andy fabulous.

Speaker 1 (02:17:04):
Oh, we have the same problem and it was a toss-up
between big problem davy.
Now listen, I'm telling you, Ieven have the name, I have it
every.
It wasn't davy cakes, it wasdavy doll, ory Cakes.
Okay, now you can't put a DavyCake on your desk and just leave
it there, because it's going tosmell like you know, cisco Davy

(02:17:25):
Cakes, but like a urinal cake.
So we went with a Davy Doll,but we may do a Davy Cake thing
in the future, but for now wegot Davy dolls.
Thank you for that, andy.
Fabulous Lisa M never in, butfascinating, and have so much
admiration for all of you onSPTV.
Keep up, please, keep going.

(02:17:47):
Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (02:17:47):
Thank you, Lisa M.
We appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (02:17:49):
We will Wow, la Fanda is like this might be you're
going to win the birthday game,most super chats in one video
Team.
Claire, guy Fawkes Day would beperfect.
Masks on, you could do a guy,you and Marilyn and Kelly, you
can do whatever you want.
On the fifth, that's right.
You guys can have a Guy Fawkesmarathon the day after and

(02:18:16):
everybody who loves it can bepart of it.
I'm not, I'm not saying not todo it, I'm just it's not going
to be the thing that we do whenthe event's happening.
Uh, jaded neck zero.
Jaded neck zero.
Okay, uh, you are looking great, mike um heart.
I hope you are heart.
I hope you're feeling strong.
We need you here to help fightthe good fight against that

(02:18:37):
teeny tiny Captain Keebler,mickey Witch.
Love and support all of the SPfam.

Speaker 3 (02:18:43):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:18:45):
Very, very generous of you.
Thank you very much for thatFree Xenu project of Farsec.
Can we do a fundraiser to buyall the books from all the
ex-Scientologists and send themall to Davey Puppet Boy?
There's not, really, I don'tknow.
Oh, you mean from the booksfrom all the exes?
I guarantee you that they havecopies of our books and they've

(02:19:08):
studied them thoroughly.
And, davey, you know when I wassaying earlier that OSA has to
transcribe this and report allthese things up, they 100% have
to do that.
The fact that Mike is on a live,that is a notable thing, like
when Mike wasn't doing lives, itwould be.
Mike hasn't appeared in a livein so many days.

(02:19:30):
And I have a theory on whythose PIs showed up, mike
Because you were kind of doingsomething else, you were flying
below the radar and they neededto know what's Mike up to
because he's not on SPTV, what'she doing?
And I think they were paranoidthat you were doing some secret

(02:19:52):
project and they needed to knowI was Well.
But they don't know that JoeVirus never in, but bought
Dynetics for 50 cents atGoodwill to keep it out of the
wrong hands.
I camp a lot, so it makes forgreat kindling.
I tell you, I have seen so manyJoe Virus.

(02:20:14):
You're a goddamn genius.

Speaker 2 (02:20:17):
Well done, Joe Virus.
Thank you for helping the world.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
Excuse my language.
Sorry, I used the Lord's namein vain.
But yes, you can do that.
If you see something at athrift store and it's 50 cents,
just buy it to take it out ofcirculation.
We don't need thrifters goingSometimes.
There's a lot of kids thesedays that like to go to thrift
stores and buy kind of cool, old, uh, you know we don't want

(02:20:41):
mackleball to be the nextcelebrity sign.
Yeah we don't we don't wantmacklemore getting into
scientology.
Actually, I don't know.
There's many schools of thoughton macklemore.
We might give him, we mightgive him over.
Depends on what do you think ofMacklemore.
He might be one.
We might say, yeah, get on overthere, macklemore.

(02:21:03):
Chris OC Mark, for the love ofGod, please put this towards the
Davy Cake Fund.
These just are coming in rightnow.
Yeah, I don't.
I love the Davy cake idea.
It just it.
Only you know analytics wise.

(02:21:24):
Youtube's telling me it's not afinancially responsible thing
to do because there's not a lotof people on here that are going
to buy Davy cakes.
But you know, we did it guys.

Speaker 2 (02:21:36):
We made it to the end .
We got to the end, thanks toall the many people who joined
us tonight.
Don't forget to subscribe andlike at Mike Rinder and at
Balloon for Good.
We so appreciate you all hereand thank you for watching to
the very end.

Speaker 1 (02:21:55):
And also those of you who watched to the very end.
You get a treat.

Speaker 2 (02:21:59):
Yay, and our final two minutes here, folks, just as
a reminder.

Speaker 1 (02:22:03):
And I do have to duck out because I got to get ready
for the next stream with Mitch,so I'm going to let you guys
wrap this one up.
Claire, make sure to play theoutro and do all the stuff that
I normally do.
Don't be a barbarian.
Thank you, bye.

Speaker 2 (02:22:15):
Have.
I ever been a barbarian.
Oh my gosh, Come on.

Speaker 3 (02:22:23):
No, you're the least barbarian person I know,
honestly.

Speaker 2 (02:22:26):
What about now?
So awesome, see you later, guys.
Thanks again for doing thiswith us.
We appreciate it.
Bye-bye, and give me a minutehere, barbarian, I'm so fired.

Speaker 1 (02:22:39):
I'm so fired.

Speaker 2 (02:22:40):
Oh my gosh, I'm freaking out here, ah, ah.

Speaker 1 (02:22:44):
Ah, ah, oh my gosh.
The videos are on the brand.
The videos should be on thebrand.

Speaker 2 (02:22:50):
I'm looking for the outro.
I don't have it, there's nooutro.

Speaker 3 (02:22:54):
It's okay, claire.
Okay, the only person in thewhole world that cares about
this is Mark.

Speaker 2 (02:23:00):
I know we won't tell him.
We won't tell him.

Speaker 3 (02:23:03):
We won't tell him and he'll never go back and watch
it.

Speaker 2 (02:23:05):
It's our little secret.
Amazing Guys, I'll hit endstream.
Thank you so much.
Talk to you soon.
Bye-bye, bye, our little secret.

Speaker 1 (02:23:31):
Thanks for watching our little secret.
You new content on a regularbasis.
You can also pick up a copy ofmy book Blown for Good Behind
the Iron Curtain of Scientologyin hardback, kindle and audible
versions as well.
There's also a link to ourpodcast and you can get that on

(02:23:52):
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And if you'd like to watchanother video, you can click on
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