Scientology Uncovered: Triumphs, Tricks, and Community Tales - Scientology Q&A #31 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
We're going to do a live today.
We're just getting Claire readyto go, but we're in here.
Let's see where everybody's atin the comments today.
We've already got.
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Looks like a few hundred peoplealready in here waiting for the

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Let's see who we've got peoplein from Goldie says.
People in from Goldie sayslet's get this party started.
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So everybody say hi to Goldie.

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We've got someone from Belgium.
We've got some hey-hey from theUK.
We've got somebody fromine uh,tucson.
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alabama, um, and oh, look who Ifound.
Look at this.
Um, claire was, uh, claire's.
We're in the middle of gettingClaire all uh converted over to
a new setup and it looks like,uh, she's got, uh, she's got a
light.
That didn't go on, but that'sokay.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
It still didn't.
I switched to natural light.
I opened up my blind.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
We can still see you.
We can see you fine, it's allgood.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Perfect.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Yay, um, I was just seeing, uh, where we uh, uh,
we've got terry.
Ray says it's 88 and sunny inthe ham.
Is that birmingham?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I'm guessing, so sounds pretty pretty hamish to
me, yeah it's silver spoon fromnew england, mary from north
carolina.

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I'm pretty sure he's alegendary SB if that's the same
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Hello Wow, we've got somebodyfrom Greece.

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Speaker 1 (02:23):
Lancaster, Auburn, Long Island.
We've got a lot of people inhere.
This is filling up pretty quickhere.
Well, that's great.
Yeah, we're almost up to 600people in the first few minutes
here which is exciting toeveryone.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
joining us Good to see you here.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
Yeah, we appreciate people tuning in for these
things.
We don't do that many lives,but when we do do them we like
it when people watch live, butyou can always catch the replay
if you miss us.
When we do these we try to doit a little bit early on the
weekends when we can, becausethen people in other time zones,
other than where we are in theUnited States, can watch these

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live.
That hits a lot of them.
I know some still people haveto stay up late or get up early
to watch them.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
But we got people here from Germany, from what was
the other one.
I just saw Denmark.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Very cool.
Oh yeah, copenhagen, perfect.
Well, thanks, I guess we'll getright into it.
There's some awesome news.
On the last time we did a live,we did say that Mike and
Christy were going to do a videoat some point to update

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everybody.
But basically Mike's on histreatment, they're set for the
first round of treatment and theprognosis is getting better as
he's getting treatment and inabout 10 weeks or so is when
they'll know more information,but until then they're just

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continuing his treatment.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
And how awesome is that?
That Lilly Cares Foundationapproved six months of treatment
.
I mean that is just on so manylevels amazing and so ironic.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It is.
It really is kind of crazy thatin the end, Eli Lilly is.
The one who's making thismedication that he needs and
that they will, that they'regoing to help him out with
getting him the care he needs.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
We did team Mike, all the way.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Yes, hashtag team Mike.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yes, hashtag team Mike.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
We did do.
We did have another Scientologystories video come out this
week that Claire did.
She's been doing all theseinterviews with former Sea Org
members and formerScientologists and a lot of the

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people that she's doing theseSea Org you know 20, 30 years
ago they knew Shelly Miscavigewhen she was at the Sea Org at
that time.
So she just did one with HannahElteringham Whitfield.
Yes, that's right, that justcame out on Tuesday, I think on
Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, tuesday or Wednesday.
Hannah is amazing.
She's such a gem and theamazing part of her story is
still coming.
She is just a really uniqueperson in that after she got out
of Scientology, she then sheand her husband Jerry, have
worked tirelessly to help peopleget their families out of

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Scientology.
So we're going to do a wholeepisode just talking about that
and what her tips and tricks are, so to speak, of recovering
loved ones from this dangerouscult.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yeah, and yeah.
It's a fascinating interviewand Hannah is amazing and she
has such amazing detail andrecollection of all these
different things that happened,and I mean we're talking about
stories that happened in, youknow, 1967.
She's like and then we wenthere and we did this, and then

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we did, and you're just likewhat?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
I know it's amazing.
It's for the first time.
Some of the things that we'donly ever read about when we
were there was kind of like justtheoretical, like all the Royal
Scotsman, for example, the oneof the ships you know.
I'm just learning so much frompeople who were actually there
that it's making a lot of piecesfit together for me in terms of

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the whole history of it interms of the whole history of it
.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, and it also gives you a glimpse, because a
lot of people that are inScientology or that are in the
Sea Organization withinScientology they hear all these
stories about what happened inthe Sea Org back in the days
when L Ron Hubbard was creatingthis and it's sort of become
folklore and these fantasies ofwhat happened, and then when you

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hear what actually happened,you're like, oh yeah, it was a
total shit show.
It was like a show of howincompetent can this group of
people be?
Can this group of people be?
And all of the nonsense thatgoes on, because Hubbard's just

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being arrogant and we're goingin here and we're going to do
this and everyone's like what?
And it doesn't work out in hisfavor in most cases, and Mark
and Janice have a channel calledOur Scientology Stories,
peeling the Onion.
Yeah that's right and they'redoing interviews as well with
people, have a channel calledour Scientology stories, peeling
the onion, yeah, and they'redoing interviews as well with

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people and they just did aninterview with a Scientologist
named Mitch Brisker.
Now Mitch Brisker was in themovie industry, in the, in the
Hollywood, in the entertainmentindustry, and he was a director
and he got involved inScientology and then he's, he

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was sort of lured in through thecelebrity center um to help
direct all of these internaltraining and public um facing
public relations films forScientology and um.
And he has now and he's been adirector working with the Sea
Org and Golden Era Productionsand David Miscavige I want to
say from about 1990 is when hestarted doing that, and so we're
talking about 40 years.

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He worked with the Sea Org andDavid Miscavige and Scientology
producing these films, and nowhe's leaving and he's telling
his story.
So he did an interview withMark and Janice Um.
If you haven't seen that, youshould get over to their channel
and check that out.
It's uh, his name is MitchBrisker.
Uh, it's called the and the seaorg are in golden air

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productions.
They called it the shoot crewchief, um.
It's basically sort ofequivalent to like a first
assistant director or somethinglike that.
So I worked with mitch a lotwhen we shot these films and um,
and then when I became apre-production director in the
same organization, I worked withhim and whatever we have, we
have plenty of stories that wecould talk about, on in on our

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ventures um, guerrillas shootingaround Los Angeles, um, without
permits, and all kinds ofnonsense.
Even when we had permits, itthere was a lot of nonsense, but
, um, so that's great.
And then, um, the great.
The amazing thing that'sstarting to happen now is
there's so many SPTV networkchannels or TV channels that if

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you have a story, if you're aformer Scientologist or you're a
former Seer member and you havea story to tell, there's about
20 different channels that youcould get a hold of and say, hey
, I'd love to tell you guys mystory and they'd love to have
you on and tell your story.
Love to tell you guys my storyand they'd love to have you on
and tell your story.
So the fact that Mitch was ableto go and do this with Mark and

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Janice is amazing, because nowthere's not, there's not really
any gatekeepers for thesestories anymore, depending on
who you are or who you like orwhich channel you like.
You could pick and choose.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
Or do all of them.
Everyone has a differentperspective and take and
different mutual experiences.
That's what I'm really enjoyingfrom the interviews I've been
doing is just comparing notes istherapeutic, I hope, to the
audience as much as it is to me.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yeah, no, it's great that now you could get so many
different perspectives on thissubject from.
So so the the common thing isis Scientology likes to say, is
that, oh, it's just a, it's likejust a handful of people, you
know, it's just like, oh, thesethree people over here that

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they're, you know, just causingproblems, they're apostates, and
on the fringes of the internet,on the fringes of the internet.
So now what's happening isthere's probably I mean there
someone did make a directory.
I'm pretty sure Goldie willlikely link to it in the
comments.
But, um, I read through thisdirectory.
It's amazing that it's it's.

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I want to say it's actuallyprobably 50 different channels,
or or, um, you know outlets.
It's not want to say it'sactually probably 50 different
channels, or or, you knowoutlets.
It's not all YouTube, butthere's websites and there and
someone is making just adirectory that just keeps
getting built and built andbuilt and added to.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
But I think it's more than 40 now.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
I think it's more than 50.
Like, in terms of all thedifferent places, like I'm
saying, if you just count theYouTube channel, it's probably a
30 or 40 or something like that, and also some of those people.
They've even started tocategorize them, because you've
got all these former Sea Orgmembers or former Scientologists
.
And then you have this othergroup that's called Never Ends

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and they're never, never in.
They're on the team and they'redoing everything they can to
expose it or, you know, justbring attention to it even, but
they're never in.
They were never in Scientologyor they were never in the SEA
organization.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
Never Ends are my personal favorite for the record
.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
And the great thing is is that we're hearing not
only we're hearing fromScientologists guys, we are
hearing from a lot ofScientologists that are there.
Scientology considers themScientologists, but they
themselves are kind of theydon't do it anymore, they don't
support it, they don't spendmoney, but they might have
family members or businessrelationships or something like

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that that are still involved inScientology.
So they're not just coming outand telling their story, but a
lot of these people are sort oftelling their story behind the
scenes and and filling in holesthat we might have with some
particular area or subject orwhatever that happened, and a
lot of them are telling us aboutstuff that's happening right

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now in science, in scientologyand like sort of like the, the,
the rumors that are going around, and a lot of people are
watching these videos andfinding out, you know, deep,
dark secrets about davidmiscavige for instance, and it's
funny to me that, um, there awhole.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
So you know how in Scientology we all know there
are acronyms for days.
Well, now there's a whole newset of acronyms that describe
this underground people.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
So somebody will write hi, I'm UTR instead of
under the radar well, because ifthey speak out against
Scientology, then they show upon Scientology's radar.
So Scientology's the office ofspecial affairs, formerly known
as the guardian's office, theorganization Scientology

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organization that perpetratedthe largest infiltration into
the United States government inits history, now called OSA, the
Office of Special Affairs.
They're like the dirty tricksdepartment of Scientology.
They're the one that hired theprivate investigators and the
lawyers and mess with formermembers and put out hate sites.
And within the Office ofSpecial Affairs there's an

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investigations department orbureau, or whatever they call it
at OSA, and within theinvestigations department is the
Internet unit.
So the Internet unit is aninvestigative arm of Scientology
, their official Internet unit.
And those are the guys thatcreate these hate websites and

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buy all these domains.
And I actually, within the spyfiles, found a document that
details out what they spent perweek and per year on certain
items.
And here it is.
I always speculated what it wasand I actually found a document
and this was in the early days.

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So this was back in, I want tosay, 2005 or 2006, when they
weren't that heavy doing stuffon the internet.
They were spending $65,000 ayear on domain names $65,000 a
year on domain names.
That's not.
That's not websites.
That's not work.

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That's just buyingdavidmuscavagebeatsastaffcom.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
They would buy that domain.
Updated lists.
There is a um, a list of uh,there's, there's many lists and
we have videos on the blown forgood channel.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
but there's David Miscavige vanity sites, so
that's like the one I just toldyou.
David Miscavige beats hisstaffcom.
Um is so that if somebodysearches David Miscavige beats
his staff, they go to one of theScientology websites.
It's like David Miscavige hasnever even yelled at anyone in
his entire life and he says theyalso have.

Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah, don't they also have?
Who is david muscavige?

Speaker 1 (16:09):
they have.
Who is they have?
Uh, uh, ron muscavige's soncom.
I mean, if you look at, go toone of these videos, so there's
david muscavige vanity sites.
There's shelly muscavigewebsites.
There's the hate websites Likeso who is Mark Headley, who is
Claire Headley?
And then there are hate siteson Leah, david Miscavige's

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father.
Oh, there's, there's thousandsand thousands and thousands, and
we never knew how were theybuying it?
Well, they're spending $65,000a year.
At least that's what they spentback in the early 2000s.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
So let me share a thought, by the way, because it
just occurred to me.
We always talk about office ofspecial affairs and guardian's
office and blah, blah, blah.
You know how they always saydon't judge a book by its cover.
Well, osa is the guardian'soffice book, just with a new
cover yeah, it's the same sameold, exact same policies.

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You know everything hubbardsaid to do.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
They just gave it a new name they have the exact
same policy letters that theyhad before.
They had the same.
Hubbard didn't write like, okay, now that the guardian's office
has been disbanded.
That's what they did.
They disbanded it.
So they said, okay, there's nomore guardian's office.
And they told, told all thesepeople, okay, you guys have to
leave.
Okay, now, you guys who've beenkind of working here but nobody

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knows, you're now the office ofspecial affairs.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
So get back to work doing everything that they were
doing, which has got a new namefor you anyway, and I love how
they use the word disbanded.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
It's like okay yeah, and that's another thing that we
should get into is because, um,whatever, paul, every, every
sort of faction or area ofscientology has its own set of
policies for that activity.
So if you're in Scientology andyou're training to be a

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counselor, all of the thingsthat you read are called HCO
bulletins and they all have allthese codes.
So those are it's white paperwith red ink, red ink on white
paper.
That's the format and that'show those are out.

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So whenever you see aScientology document that has
white paper and it has red ink,that's an HCO bulletin.
And if you're doing any kind ofcounseling or auditing or
training in Scientology courses,that's all the things that
apply to that.
If you're an administrator inScientology, that If you're an

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administrator in Scientology,then the policies it's called an
HCO policy letter or an HCO PL,and those are all white paper
with green ink.
Okay, well, now the Corganization has its own set of
policies and public or civilianScientologists or just
Scientologists that are in onstaff like they're an employee
of a local organization, say inBoston somewhere, they don't

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have access to all these flagorders.
They're called flag orders fromthe flag organization.
The ship, the flag ship thatHubbard was in was the commander
of he had all these, or captainof he had all these smaller
ships, and so the main ship wascalled Flag.
Okay, so Flag orders are thepolicies for the Sea

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Organization and the SeaOrganization.
I don't know how many flagorders are, maybe a thousand or
a few thousand oh, way more thanthat, yeah.
More than a few thousand flagowners.
Well, maybe that wereofficially released yeah, anyway
, there's thousands, there'sthousands of these flag orders

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and they cover everything frombrushing your teeth.
Seriously, delrond ever saidthis?
how you get polishing your shoesyeah, you name it, he wrote it,
and he wrote it when they wereon this ship.
Like, even if he just wrotesomething to somebody like, hey,
if you're going to clean theshower, you first got to do this
and then you got to do this,and then you get somebody would
take that, that order orsomething that he told somebody

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and they would make that into aflag order on how to clean a
shower.
And there are flag orders onhow to wash windows.
We use ammonia and water andvinegar.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, not ammonia.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Vinegar and water.
Vinegar and water and newspaper.
Yeah, I'm trying to give you arecipe for mustard gas Put a
little bit of bleach in thereand some soap, anyway.
So you make this mixture andthen you can only use newspapers
, you can't use paper towels,you can't use Windex.
You have to do this exactformula that he and he literally

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says put this much water, putthis much of this, and then you
get your newspaper and then youwash the windows.
So in the Sea Org, if you havea bottle Windex and some paper
towels and you're washing awindow and somebody comes by,
they can be be like what are youdoing?
You know it's like that kind ofthing.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
So you reminded me when I was like six or seven,
learning how to do this whenwashing windows with newspapers.
There was a time when I waswondering in my head if it was
the reason it was newspapers isbecause the newspapers always
had bad stories aboutScientology in them.
I was like that's why they'reusing newspapers.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
There is a slight I think there is a slight on
newspapers somewhere in Hubbardwhere he says oh, newspapers are
dirty.
You ever, you ever look at yourhands after you read one?
They're all black, and that youknow anyway.
Something like that, yeah, OK.
So so the reason this isimportant is because Claire just

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did this video with JacksonGary Moorhead.
He used to be the securitychief at the international
headquarters in Gilman HotSprings, California, but before
he was at that location he wasin the Sea Org in Los Angeles
and he's telling this story inthe video.

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I don't watch every single videothat Claire does, but I do have
to edit them together and I putan intro and an outro and I go
through and tweak a few littlethings and then I upload it.
And I was watching this thingand he, just the middle of this
story, he just says, oh, yeah,and there's this.
One time I was supposed toclean what's called the
Commodore's messengerorganization and that is the

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organization that had peoplethat were working for Hubbard to
carry out his orders,essentially, yeah, and Jackson
is His cleaning the going in andcleaning these dorms and and he
walks into David Miscavige'sdorm.
David Miscavige was in theCommodore's Messenger
Organization and he is gettingbusy with somebody in this dorm.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
He being David Miscavige.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
David Miscavige.
Now in the C organizationthere's a flag order and this
flag order is called Out2D.
Now maybe you should explainthat how that is.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah, so the short version is Second Dynamic.
2d stands for Second Dynamic,which in Scientology is the urge
towards survival of families,your relationships, so for
example your husband or yourwife or your partner, your
children which there's nochildren in this organization,
but that's another thing.
So your activities with apartner, et cetera, are referred

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to as 2D.
Out 2D is a violation of therules for that.
So generally it's a broad label, but it generally refers to
anything other than for a Corganization member.
Anything more than just holdinghands or a peck is out 2D.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
Yeah.
So now, the reason this isimportant is because if you've
ever worked with David Miscavigefor any amount of years, he is
fascinated with anyrelationships that are going on
in his vicinity or wherever he'sworking.
So like if we were at the baseand we were having a meeting

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with him in this area, kind ofin this, almost in the center of
the property, and it was rightnext to the dining hall and if
people were walking down to thedining hall for dinner or
walking up away from the dininghall after dinner, he would say
like, oh, what's up with thosetwo, are they a couple now?

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Or you know, oh, what's up withthose two, are they a couple
now?
Or you know, oh, how long havethose guys been dating?
Or what do you?
Is something cooking there?
Like he was fascinated withinterpersonal relationships
between couples.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yeah, because there was and there was no dating in
this organization either.
It was just an like, anagreement Okay, we'll, we'll sit
on the bus riding home together, kind of thing.
You never went on any dates oranything.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
So let's, not.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, you got to define your terms here, honey.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, dating in the Sea Org means they're about to
be married very quickly, yeah,and so the other thing that's
very common in the Sea Org isthat if you, if there's a couple
that have been going togetherfor more than a few weeks or a
few months, then they are,they're really like on a stage

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and everyone is waiting for themto go out 2D because it's going
to happen.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
Yeah, it's going to happen.
And the second.
Either one of them doesanything wrong or gets in any
kind of trouble.
The assumption will always bethat they're up to no good with
the two of them.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, that'll be the very first subject of the
interrogation.
Questions are what have youguys been up to?
What have you done?
Where did you do it?
How did you do it?
How long did it last?
You know every excruciatingdetail about anything that's
gone on.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Okay, so that's sort of the backdrop to this whole
thing.
So now Jackson's talking aboutJackson's just telling this
story.
Oh, I was supposed to clean theroom and he walked in and oh,
dave's getting busy.
And this is like I was justlike did you just say that David
Miscavige was going out?
2d.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, to us it was mind blowing.
And also, too, because I havebeen extensively putting
together this timeline of allthe details of Shelley's life
for Where's Shelley series?
And I was like, wow, shestarted dating.
Well, they became a couple.
Again, I'm not going to use theword dating because that's not
real, but they had an agreementof a relationship starting in

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1978 when Shelly was 17 yearsold, but they didn't get married
until December 1982 when Shellywas yeah, exactly.
So this was like wow that's thelongest unmarried relationship
in the history of the SeaOrganization.

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That's mind-boggling.
And then, yeah, and of courseJackson said it was not a
private room, it was a dormitorywhere there were other male
seorg members, and this was inthe middle of the afternoon, so
they'd obviously snuck off andwe're getting up to nonsense
yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
So that's another thing, because when we're
looking at the timeline we'rethinking it's really weird that
they it doesn't make sense thatthey were together for three
years and then they got marriedso much like.
That's very's very, very, veryuncommon in the Sea Org.
Because of this reason, thatcouples are going to get in
trouble because they're notgoing to make it that long

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without just with like, oh,how's it going?
Oh, good to see you.
Okay, good to see you too.
That's not what's happening.
See you too.
Um, that's not what's happening.
And um anyway.
So the best part is that Ithink it's even in the um, it's
even in the interview.
Was like um, who was he with?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
like, I know I was like my.
Well, wait a minute.
My million dollar question iswas it shelly?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
yes, and and the and.
The answer was it was shelly.
So we now know, and and toeverybody in the real world.
It's like whatever.
This is ridiculously stupid.

(28:40):
Work camp for five or six yearsbecause you made out with your
boyfriend or maybe was involvedin some other activities that
led to one thing or another, andyou were literally in a prison
camp instincts.
Yeah, you were in a prison campfor five years and the person
who may have said you need to goand do that was David Miscavige

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, and he had already been doingthat way before.
And here's the other thing,which this is a huge, because
this happened and because he wasso fascinated with it, and
because, if you say, well, if hebelieved in the technology and
he believes in this and hebelieves in that, it's very,

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very probable that in that threeyears, david Miscavige wasn't
the head of Scientology duringthis time, and Shelley wasn't
anything either.
She had been a messenger for LRon Hubbard by this time.

Speaker 2 (29:32):
Yeah, they were executives, but they were not
top executives.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I mean, they had power, but they weren't the
leaders.

Speaker 1 (29:55):
They were five years off from that, or more actually.
At that point, yeah, both liedand said, no, we weren't.
So the fact that david, holierthan thou, muscavige, um, boss,
cranky boss, baby um was doingup to nonsense when lrh was

(30:15):
still elrond, hubbard was stillaround and they were in one way
or another working for him andthey were up to all this
nonsense.
For any c org member that's outthere, um, it's gonna.
It's gonna mean something tothem and it's gonna be.
It's gonna make a lot of thingsabout david miscavige make

(30:36):
sense like he's.
He's not better than everybodyelse, he's not.
Um, you know, pure and un, un,pure as the driven snow, yeah,
and the funny part too he's gotdirty hands, According to his
sort of standards that he holdseverybody else to.
He was doing that stuff waymore and way before any of them.

(30:58):
And one of the craziest thingsis there is a flag order called
Out2D and that is that for theSea Org.
That policy essentially says um, if you have relationships
before you're married withanother female or male Sea Org
member, then you are to be left.
It's called beached, you're tobe beached.

(31:18):
So like when they're drivingaround and they see an island,
they're going stomp and they'regoing to throw you off and
that's your new spot now.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
And since they were on land, they'd get kicked out,
which you know obviously.
Now you see where the stakes athand come in as to why they
wouldn't confess this, but it isat odds with.
It does poke a very big hole inbelief in Scientology to not
confess right.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
Totally, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
Not to mention the fact that there's so many
Hubbard writings that say that,which you accuse somebody else
of, you yourself are guilty of.
So for you know, all the time,the many, many times David
Miscavige accused somebody ofall these things, it made so
much sense to you and I, forthat reason, like wow, yeah,

(32:08):
there you go.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Yeah, totally it was.
It was like, oh my gosh, you'vegot to be kidding me.
And and the best part is thatJackson I don't even think he
thought anything about it, hewas just like oh yeah, it just
happened.
You know, and and in securitythey're doing inspections, and
they're doing birthinginspections and they're going to
people's rooms or it's thecleaning people.

(32:32):
There was a lot of times wherepeople would go to somebody's
room for something and there'dbe all kinds of things happening
in the room.
You'd be like, oops, and thenit becomes this dilemma of like
what do I do?
Oh, and that's the other thing.
Jackson never reported it toanybody.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
No, he was going to.
But then he was like well,david Miscavige did have clout
at that time.
He's like reverse, reverse yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:57):
So that's another one of these things where you
really find out who's on whatteam when people rat each other
out and whoever rats them outwill take great credit in doing
so when they do it but then yougot to know that's that dude
over there.
If you're going to get up tononsense, you got to make sure

(33:19):
that guy ain't around, becausehe's going to rat you out.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Oh my gosh, there were so many of those it was-.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Like little spies, yeah, like little spies, yeah,
little spiders.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
And they would use it to get extra brownie points
with you know, their boss orwhatever.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Oh, yeah, 100%.
That's a total normal thing.
Anyway, if you haven't seen thevideo, you should get over
there and watch it.
It's the Scientology.
No, this is not ScientologyStories.
This is Where's Shelley numbersix.
I think it is.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yep, I think so.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Let's say it's number six.
Whether it's number six or not,no, I'm going to look it is
yeah it's number six.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
It's number six.
It's number six.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Yeah, number seven's coming out next week.
Claire's done some moreScientology stories.
We've done some more.
Where's Shelly?
And we're doing some moreScientology stories as well.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah, I did an interview with Ono Nora that
will be coming out soon.
That was a lot of fun chattingwith Nora for the first time
since I think the last time Isaw her was 1996 in Clearwater
Florida.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Wow, yeah, and oh, somebody says didn't Janice
already give this informationabout Shelly, beginning of Dave
and Shelly in an interview withAaron?
I think I don't know.
I mean that's the other thing.
When this happened they were inLos Angeles, so a lot of that
Janice's stories about the earlystuff with Shelley took place

(34:49):
in aboard this ship called theApollo Excuse me and that was
where L Ron Hubbard was started,the Sea Project, which then
became the Sea Organization,which then moved to land in the
late 1970s in Florida and theykind of split it all over the
United States and elsewhere aswell.

(35:10):
But I don't know about thisthing with Jackson.
I don't know why Janice wouldtalk about this thing with Dave
and Shelley, because I don'tthink Janice was there when
Jackson walked in on Shelley.
But either way, I'm justlooking at I just this is the
comment test Forbes Didn'tJanice already give this
information about the beginningof Dave and Shelley?

(35:30):
He might have gave in thebeginning?
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean there's there's so manyScientology channels like I will
.
I will go on YouTube and I'llsee somebody doing a broadcast.
I'll jump in, I'll say hi, I'llstay for a few minutes and then
I and then I back out.
But um, but yeah, there are umand the people that do um that
are on, and I haven't been.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I'm sorry, I just can't, I can't, I can't go to
every single video.
There's too many to even keeptrack of anymore.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Um, we don't even have enough time to to do all
the interviews we're trying todo.
I know I do love that.
Other people are doinginterviews with all other
channels and apostate Alex hasgot people coming on and you
know Chris Shelton and KellyCopter.
Yeah, there's.
There's so many differentchannels with so many different
perspectives on this, and and weare hearing from people that
weren't even in Scientology,that were just like you know,

(36:22):
the group I was in was seemedpretty similar to whatever you
guys are talking about and thatmay have helped them in some way
.
So we're I'm happy that youknow whatever between all of
these videos and all thesedifferent channels, people seem
to like the content because wekeep getting, you know, we keep
getting more views and morepeople engaging, so we'll keep

(36:42):
going.
As long as the as long asthere's people here that want to
hear about this stuff, we'llwe'll keep talking about it.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Yeah, we're almost about to hit our next major
milestone of 35,000 subscribers.
So, to all you 1,481 people,don't forget to subscribe and
hit the bell notification so youget alerted of new content.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, we are.
We're at 34, 747.
So we're only like 250 awayfrom giving away another book.
Yes, we have been.
Every thousand we take over, wegive away a book.
There's been a lot of books.
If you guys also, there's awhole bunch more.
I don't know, depending onwho's normally here and who's
not here or who's been on thischannel or not been on this

(37:24):
channel before.
We have, I want to say, 100different merch items in the BFG
store now, between mugs andcups and T-shirts and sweaters
and hoodies and hats andstickers.
There's all kinds of nonsenseup in there.
If you want to support thechannel, that's a good way to do
it.
Go to the store.

(37:45):
The Blown for good way to do it.
Go to the.
Go to the store.
The blown for good store orblown for good shop.
I think they call it in the inthe description.
Is there anything else thatlet's see we get to?

Speaker 2 (37:55):
are we doing giveaways today.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
By the way, I forgot to oh, yeah, we should do a
giveaway.
What time is it?
Oh, it's 38.
We should just do one right now.
Yeah, if you're in the commentsand as soon as we're done with
this we'll do.
We'll do Q&A, but if you wantany, we do have I think one.
Last time I went in the storethere was two at least two
people that donated forgiveaways.
So we'll do two giveaways.

(38:19):
We'll do one now and we'll doone like in 45 minutes.
One now and we'll do one likein 45 minutes.
Um, if you, uh, if you want, um,a free thing from the blown for
good store, um, just tell us inthe, in the, in the chat.
You want some merch, uh, say,merch me or book me or whatever
We've got.
We've got blown for good books,we've got any merch from the
merch store.
Um, if you get that, you justsend us an email with the with

(38:42):
the thing thing, what thing youwant from the store, and claire
will just send you a code andyou can just buy it and get it
for free.
You don't have to pay shippingor anything.
We just ship it out to you andwe will do it to wherever you're
from.
So people ask, they ask us allthe time.
But what if I'm in the uk?
It doesn't matter whereveryou're at, we'll just send it to
you.
Um, so let me go to the chathere and see if there's anybody

(39:03):
in there.
Oh, there's 1500 people rightnow.
Um, there's probably at leastthree or four of those in the
chat.
Um, let's see, oh my goodness,there are there and as I just
caught up to where it is, I'mgoing to do a like a countdown.
So I'll do like a five, four,three and a two and a one and

(39:26):
skadoosh, enchanted Chains,jewelry Merch, please.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
You got it Enchanted Chains Jewelry.
You're the big lucky winner onthe first giveaway of this live
today.
So email Claire atclaireatblomforgoodcom with a
link of what you want in thestore and she will send you back
a link that lets you get it forgoodcom.
And with a link of what youwant in the store and she will
send you back a link that letsyou get it for free.
Um, do we have anything elsethat we forgot to bring up?
Frank, bring up.
We've got um we talked aboutthe gary video.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
We have a lot of great material coming up we do
shelly's, on shelly's earlyyears.
That, to me, anyway, explainsso much as to how we got to
where we are today, where shehasn't been seen in a very long
time and yeah, so that'll begood.
Stay tuned for that.

(40:15):
Lots of great pictures andinformation.
I've been receiving all kindsof new material from various
different people who knewShelley, so thank you to
everyone who has emailed me.
I greatly appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, we have some really good ones coming up and
it's funny because we're tryingto find out, we're trying to
talk to anybody who knew Shelly,worked with Shelly, and when we
find, when we hear aboutstories about she, shelly,
invariably we find out somethingabout dave.

(40:49):
And that's how we found out thisthing about dave, um, you know,
basically being a very, verybad c-work member, um, many,
many years ago, and the factthat he punished other c-work
members for something that hewas doing for years, it's's so
it's just infuriating.
Maybe it means something morepersonal to me, because I want

(41:11):
to say I know at least 30 peoplewhere their whole marriage was
ruined or their relationship ortheir whole life took a major
change of direction for theworse because of something that
they did, and he was the one whoput the screws to him.
And you just think like, oh mygoodness, I knew it, I knew it,

(41:31):
I knew it anyway.
To me it's so, dave.
So anyway, um, it's just, it'sjust one of those things.
It's so, dave, he is such aright bastard.
A right bastard, that dude.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Anyway, but hey, on a on a happier note, let's take a
moment to give a shout out toour amazing moderator, Goldie.
All hail, Goldie we love you,Goldie.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
I did that at the head of the broadcast when you
were trying to figure out whereyour lights were at.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Okay, sorry about that.
Yeah, I did that.
I did all that.
Thank you, I took care ofbusiness.
I appreciate you taking care ofthat.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
Let's go to the questions here.
It's, what time is it?
Let's make sure we don't forgetthat next giveaway.
Somebody will remind us.
If we don't, we'll do it.
You know what?
Let's just do it on the hour.
Let's Um, let's, let's rockthrough some questions here.
Um LaFanda Grocklinger says um,thanks for streaming at a
Europe friendly time.
That's right.

(42:28):
That's all we do over here atSPTV is we're very Europe
friendly right now?

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Yeah, thank you for always being here, whether we're
friendly or not.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
I know you, she says that and she's been on.
We've done like nine, nineo'clock at night streams here
and she's in there at that time.
So maybe that's really early inthe morning, I don't know, but
either way, thank you for that,paula Puffer.
Looking forward to upcomingstories oh yeah, they're going
to be so good.
And the funniest thing aboutthese new videos that we have

(42:58):
Thanks for that, paula.
The funniest thing about someof these new videos that we have
coming up is that it's a lot ofthese current Scientologists
that are still in that we'rehearing from when we're doing
these stories, because we'refilling in blanks and we're also
sort of getting rid of thefolklore and telling you what

(43:19):
actually happened.
So in Scientology they I meanyou would think that when L Ron
Hubbard walked down the sidewalk, there was just a ray of
sunshine following himeverywhere he went, based on how
they talk about him, and whenyou hear the stories from Hannah
, these other people there wasno sunshine, it was all storm

(43:40):
clouds.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, and not to mention the fact that I loved
when Hannah was talking aboutwhat Hubbard would drink.
They always thought it wasCoca-Cola, but it was really
like 80% rum with 20% Coca-Colaand you're like, wow, stiff
drinks.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, which also really answered the question on
how this dude had the worstteeth in the world is because he
was drinking coke a day andnight and he was washing it down
with rum.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
so it was like yeah, and the craziest imagination,
right yeah, but he also didn'the?

Speaker 1 (44:15):
he had a, he hated dentists, he, he was like, um,
you'd think that he was in.
You know what's that?
Uh, the one with the plant thateats the people.
Little shop of horrors, youthink he was he'd been to the
dentist and little shop.
I didn't.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
I didn't see that one , honey.
I'm still filling in my mediablackout years, Don't forget.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Jan sword says Mark, just finished your book.
Amazing, you put up with a lotmore crap than I would have, so
happy you two came together.
Yes, no, um, I did.
I didn't know any better, causeI sort of grew up in it.
And, um, I only realized afterLee really after leaving, um,
how much nonsense we actuallydid put up with.
And it's that we were paid $46a week if we got paid.

(45:07):
And now that was one of thethings that our lawsuit was
about.
We were like, hey, listen, weworked for you guys for like a
decade or so and you didn't payus.
You probably should have paidus.
There was a bunch of nonsensethat went on.
Just pay us and we'll be fine.
We lost that lawsuit.
So now I'm just telling storiesabout all that work that I did
and I'm getting paid.
So there you go.

(45:28):
Thank you, scientology.
I'll figure it out on my end.
Um, kefla, greetings fromIreland, though I'm Swedish.
Not so nice to hear the newsabout Mike feeling better.
I once got lured into a sessionin Birmingham when I was 25,
but gave a fake name Lucky me.
Oh yeah, you dodged a bullet onthat one.
Yeah, if you do go into one ofthose places just out of

(45:50):
curiosity, do not give them yourcontact info.
You will be in their system forthe rest of the time.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
ST Rev girl.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
Sorry.
We get people emailing all thetime saying how do I get off the
mailing list?
And you're like so I've juststarted sending people what
Google says, which is, you know,return to sender not wanted and
then report it to the fraud.
There's a fraud federal linkthat I send people.
I don't know if it works, butit's worth doing something.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
You can also just say Xenu is my homeboy and they
will put you.
Take you off the list yeah theydon't want to see no xenu
coming back their way.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
That's a bad word or say xenu moved or xenu doesn't
live here anymore no, just sayxenu is my homeboy, he works.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I'm hanging out with xenu.
We had two drinks the othernight.
That's it.
Yeah, that's funny.
Rev Girl says SPTV isrecruiting more
non-Scientologists than orgs.
Yeah, we are slaying it in thecontacting people department.
Scientology wishes I meanseriously, we're at almost
35,000.

(46:56):
Scientology wishes they had35,000 people that were
subscribing to them.
Metalhead says I'm curiousabout that woman who got
intercepted in South Africa, gotput on the phone with DM and he
got her back.
What do you think he told her?
After all horror stories,nothing would work on me.
That's a great question, Claire.
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Well, so David Miscavige was very manipulative
and controlling.
So I'm I'm sure that she wasprobably escaping because he'd
abused her whether it beverbally, physically, I don't
know.
I don't know the specifics butI know that it was right around

(47:36):
the whole time of the LisaMcPherson wrongful death at the
hands of, where Lisa McPhersondied at the hands of Scientology
and Sue.
This woman had been in chargeof the Religious Technology
Center offices there inClearwater, florida Anyway.
So I'm sure that he made allkinds of promises to her,

(47:58):
apologized, did whatever he hadto do to get her physically back
.
This woman's parents were alsodeclared suppressive people, so
there was no question in DavidMiscavige's mind that the risk
was very, very great having thiswoman escape, escape.
So I'm sure he went to.
You know he did whatever he hadto do to get her on a plane to

(48:21):
get her back.

Speaker 1 (48:22):
Um, yeah, yeah, the interesting thing in that case?
Thanks, metalhead.
Um, the interesting thing inthat case is that sue her name
is sue gentry or she's sue willhair.
Now she's married to g GregWilhair, who also works with
David Miscavige.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
And even though Sue Wilhair was the head of the
Religious Technology Centeroffice in Florida, the person
that was telling her everythingto do with this woman that
passed away, lisa McPherson, theperson who was telling her
exactly what to do with thatgirl was David Miscavige.
So, and David Miscavige was theone who was dictating the exact

(49:02):
steps of what this girl woulddo himself.
That's how much he micromanagesthings.
He was dictating the nextactions that would be done to
handle her directly.
So the fact that she passedaway, with him being the one in
Scientology it's called a casesupervisor a person who is

(49:25):
supervising this particularperson's case, their counseling
and all of their sessions andtheir counseling work.
That's all called a case inScientology.
And David Miscavige was beingher case supervisor.
He was CSing her folders and sofor the for the for that one
person to pass away um, thatkind of tells you how good David

(49:48):
Miscavige is is at Scientology.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Which which funny you say that I was.
Um, look, I was going throughJesse Princeesse prince's book.
Um, he's another was a veryhigh up um person in scientology
.
He was part of religioustechnology center.
But he tells this anecdote inhis book, which is called the
expert witness, wherein he saysthat, um, david miscavige was

(50:12):
telling jesse how he had donehis auditor training.
He'd learned how to doScientology counseling at St
Hill when David Miscavige was ateenager.
And David told Jesse yeah, Iwasn't very good at it.
One time I was giving thiswoman counseling and I ended up
punching her in the face in thesession.

(50:35):
You're like, wow, okay then.
Then that was never supposed tohappen.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
That makes a lot of sense too.
I could totally see thathappening.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
Miss Kim says we'll have a website up soon with
links to everything.
If anyone wants to help, pleasedo.
I'm not tech savvy.
Hopefully Claire can put ustogether.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Perfect, yeah, okay.
Okay, I think miss kim hasemailed me, so I'll perfect dig
through that and figure that out.
We have.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
We have some connections that can definitely
be made there awesome um joanprather, who got jt in still a
scientologist.
I've never even heard of thiswoman, joan Prather.
She might've had a different.
She might've gotten a differentname to sign.
Scientologists like to getmarried and remarried.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, I think Jeff Hawkins told me about this
person.
I just don't know if she'sstill in or I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Well, we'll put the word out there.
If anybody knows about JoanPrather, drop us a line.
Stacey says merch idea DM chewdog toy.
Yeah, you know, the merchcompany that we're working with
right now does not have dog toys.
It's not the easiest thing tocustomize, so usually things

(51:53):
that are flat that you can printsomething onto is what they
like.
So mouse pads, t-shirts, evenmugs, they can do those.
It's a small surface they canput something on.
But dog chew toys not theflattest, most customizable
thing, stacey.
But we have asked.
So if it becomes available, wewill do it.

(52:14):
Thank you for that.
The Daily Owl says hi, fromPoland, big fan of the channel.
Random question Are there peoplestill around in Scientology
that joined in the 50s and stillare active members?
Oosh, there's not a lot ofthose.

(52:50):
Daily Owl, thank you for that.
Daily Owl, thank you for that.
When we were, when I was stillin Golden Era Productions, the
media arm of Scientology, or anyof these places that he was at
in the early days in Los Angeleswhen he was doing lectures in
Los Angeles, I want to say therewas about 15 or 20 of these
folks around that we couldinterview and every year we'd

(53:12):
lose one or two of them.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
And this was 20 years ago.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Yeah, this was back in the 90s, in the early 2000s,
um, but it was not a long listof people.
Almost, I want to say I'd sayabout 97, 97 and a half percent
of the people that worked withellen hubbard were declared
suppressive persons.
So, um, for somebody who wrotethe book on how to spot

(53:37):
suppressives, he he sure seemedto be working with and dealing
with a lot of them in hispersonal life and his work life,
so much so that L Ron Hubbard'sown family members were
declared suppressives.
And that is another kind ofthing that David Miscavige kind
of follows in the footsteps of LRon Hubbard, kind of thing that

(53:57):
david miscavige kind of followsin the footsteps of ellen
hubbard.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
david miscavige his own father was an sp um.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
His sister has been arrested as a drug dealer um,
but he's still a scientologist.
She's still a scientologist,but she's a convicted drug
dealer.
Yeah, um, but then um, or shesold drugs.
I don't know if she wasconvicted as a dealer per se,
but she has dealt and receivedpayment for drugs in some form
or another.
That's David Miscavige's twinsister, denise.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Yeah, not his son, his brother.

Speaker 1 (54:27):
Who His son David.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Miscavige's brother.

Speaker 1 (54:30):
Did I say son.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
No, I did by mistake.
I was correcting myself.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Oh yeah, His brother was in the Sea Organization.
He's not in Scientology or theSea Organization anymore.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
His niece, jenna Hill Miscavige, written a book.
Jenna Miscavige Hill, yep.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Suppressive person.
So, yeah, David Miscavige and LRon Hubbard not the best SP
detectors they've ever had onthe team over there in
Scientology land.
Stacey merch idea dropping thebody lawn darts.
Casey merch idea dropping thebody lawn darts.
Yeah, lawn darts are also noteasily customizable and I think

(55:04):
they're highly illegal in theUnited States as far as I know,
because people would end up withthem in their skulls or their
foot or their arm or theirshoulder or their back.
Jan Swartz says read thedocuments that were forwarded to
you.
If they eventually used as anFBI evidence, maybe they
shouldn't be posted online.
Yeah, that's.
I don't really think it matterswhere they get posted if
they're evidence, becausethey're evidence regardless of

(55:26):
where they end up.
The thing about these documentsis that in most cases there are
many people that are copied onthem and Scientology keeps all
these separate files.
So if somebody says we knowthese document documents exist
in your files, if they were todeny it, it would almost be.
It would almost be admittingthat they have them, because

(55:49):
they would be like, no, you hadall these copies of them.
You couldn't have left lost5,000 documents and all of the
copies in every single locationthat they were existing.
It's just it's.
It's just, uh, it's very messyand sticky with a lot of these
things, just because who'sinvolved and, oh my goodness, I
don't know how you do, I don'tknow what you do with them as

(56:12):
far as law enforcement goes, butI'm going to try to get them
out to as many people as I can,the people that they're about
yep um.
Enchanted chains, jewelryquestion.
The suppressive electrician andI are wondering if his mini mic
visits clearwater amphitheaterand the sandcastle pics are
going to be shown.
He just got transferred off thejob, lol, lol, um, I, I don't

(56:38):
know.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
I don't, we did so we did show some of those pics a
lot months ago um bobble pics,when we were doing bobble pics
at the amphitheater yes, we diddo we have more?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
yes, we do well, it's just ask if they're going to be
shown, right, so we show themum, not not the later ones, I
don't think oh, I don't.
I've never seen any of these.
I don't know what any of thisis about if we'll figure it out,
enchanted chains, jewelry.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
We haven't done bobble picks in a while, though
we have still been getting somehere and there, so we'll figure
it out yeah, if I get a lot I'lldo it, but I just haven't been
getting them, so I guess I meanpeople.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
If people don't send them to me, I can't show them to
you guys.
Yep, um penguin eye says merchidea.
I see new reason to join.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Oh I see new reason to join a call I see no reason
to.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Oh my goodness, okay, I think it's funny I don't know
what this one is.
Fay question mark.
Tell us your story about thelock picking.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Somebody was saying in the comments about on a for a
construction site for a shootor something, that you had a
lock picking story.
I don't know, it didn't ring animmediate bell, but maybe it
was something that Mitch wastalking about.
I don't know.
We'll have to figure that out.
I don't know either.
I have to figure that out.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
I don't know either.
We'll get back to you on that.
I grew up in Hollywood so Ipicked a lot of locks in my time
.
I used to be known for it.
I could get into briefcases, Icould get into certain locks.
I just had a knack for it.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Yeah, when someone would escape, they would always
bring Mark, whatever they hadthat they left behind.
That was locked.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Mark would figure out how to get into it.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I'd open it up for him.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
Yeah, security meaning yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Security would come to me and say, here, I need this
briefcase open.
I'd be like, okay, here you go,pop it open for him.
Yeah, I used to be really goodat briefcase combination locks.
Yeah, kind of like legendaryIrma Webb Question.
Yeah, like kind of likelegendary Irma Webb question.
Mark and Claire, do you know?
The word Scientology was notcoined by LRH.
It comes from a 1905 bookcalled the New Word.

(58:44):
Yeah, this and in that bookthere are other Scientology
things and and kind of.
If you were a Scientologist andyou read this book, the New Word
, if you were a Scientologistand you read this book, the New

(59:08):
Word, you are going to see thatL Ron Hubbard was ripping stuff
off, starting with this book in1905.
Him and he, he stole just justwhole subjects or whole like
kind of philosophies or ideasabout something.
He just took the whole thing,changed a little bit of it in
some cases and in some not a lotat all.

(59:29):
Like just said, I like all this.
I'm just going to take thewhole thing and I'm not even
going to change the way, theverbage or anything, and that is
the reason why I think we'regetting a lot more
Scientologists that are watchingthe channel and a lot more
Scientologists that are reachingout to us, because there's a
certain there's a certain stageof cop out in Scientology where

(59:50):
you're like, yeah, this, thisDavid Miscavige guy, he's out of
control.
I don't think I can supportthis.
And then they kind of, they kindof start pulling back and
they're using not thatscientology is wrong or l ron
hubbard was wrong, but davidmiscavige is 100 not following
the policies and the proceduresof scientology and just

(01:00:10):
disregarding or or rewriting lron hubbard materials which l
ron hubbard says you're notallowed to do that.
So it's easy for aScientologist to say, well, I'm
not going to be involved inScientology because it's not
pure anymore.
But then when they once, oncethey do that that's the first
step.
Once they do that, then theystart out finding out how L Ron

(01:00:33):
Hubbard wasn't pure Then it'seasy for for them just to say,
okay, I'm out, I'm done, it wasall nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
Yeah, let me add one comment about this book.
So there was a list of about inexcess of 2,000 books that L
Ron Hubbard had in his library,and when Bonney View was built
which know $40 million mansionat the headquarters that whole

(01:01:03):
the library was filled with allof this massive list of books
that included that book, booksfrom Freud, books, all kinds of
books that we would never haveread, and so when we were
working on this project to getcopies of all these books, it
was pretty eye opening.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Yeah, no, he's.
He was definitely up to no good.
Hannah Reynolds said questiondid LRH pick up all his rules at
primary school?
He who smelt it dealt it.
He who denied it supplied it.
Level of brilliance in hisapproach I don't know.
I don't know, but you know.

(01:01:47):
It's funny that you say thatbecause Hubbard was also another
one of those people who, verysimilar to David, miscavige in
this thing with the people youknow, having relationships and
then getting in trouble fordoing stuff they weren't
supposed to be doing.
L Ron Hubbard he talked aboutpsychiatrists and psychologists

(01:02:09):
and drugs, psychiatric drugs andall this.
Like if you had takenpsychiatric drugs, a specific
kind of psychiatric drugs,psychotropic medicines, then you
were not allowed to be aScientologist, you're not
allowed to get Scientologycounseling, you weren't allowed
to be a Sea Org member, youcould never be posted as an

(01:02:30):
executive, all these sort ofthings.
You're basically not capable ofbeing helped anymore because
you've now taken these drugs.
When L Ron Hubbard passed away,those are the exact drugs that
he had in his body.
When they did an autopsy he wasfull of these drugs.
So it's one of those thingswhere Scientology is like oh

(01:02:53):
yeah, you're not supposed totake drugs.
And L Ron Hubbard said it'sthis and it's bad for this.
But yeah, the dude was takingthem.
Ok, so when you know it's, doas I say, not as I do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Exactly, Exactly.
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Kyla McDonald says and Goldie holds the wrench to
almost all of the channels.
She's a superhero, she reallydoes.
Holds the wrench to almost allof the channels.
She's a superhero, she reallydoes.
You know, there was there isone thing that happened in
different channels, like some ofthe SPTV channels, like we're
not the boss of those channels,like some.
So somebody wrote a few peoplehave written to me and said like

(01:03:31):
hey, these guys havememberships activated or these
people have this on theirchannel.
You know everyone's doing this.
You know this is not our job.
We're doing this because wewant to do it.
We feel it's helpful to somepeople and at least to
Scientologists and other peoplethat have been in other cults

(01:03:52):
and stuff like that.
But if a channel wants toenable membership so that they
get their content out to thosepeople earlier, or if you can't
chat unless you're a member,that's that channel.
That's how they're monetizingtheir channel or that's how
they're doing it.
Claire and I, we have our ownjobs in our own businesses, so
we're not doing this to.

(01:04:13):
You know, put food on the tablefor our kids.
We're doing this as a serviceand we just rely on YouTube to
figure all that stuff out.
If they put ads and they dothis and we make something off
of it, then great.
So on that note, if you haven'thit the subscribe button, you
should get on that and do that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Our goal here at Bloom for Good is inclusion, and
also the YouTube analyticstells us that youtube 50 of the
people here are here becauseyoutube promoted it to them.
So we want to include everybodywith no strings attached.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Yeah, other than hitting the subscribe button
yeah, and the like and thenotifications and the bell icon.
Um, and it's time for anothergiveaway.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
So we'll get back to these questions in a minute.
We have been getting through alot of questions.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Let me just answer a question in the comments.
So the picture behind me is aself-portrait my son did.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
He's got a very, very long perception of his neck.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
And he's very elongated in his mind.
But it was intentional, it wasimitating art from a time period
where that was the end thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Okay, yeah, there you go.
Let's leave it at that then,Sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
I'm going to fix up my background and make it all
fancy and nice.

Speaker 1 (01:05:32):
Yeah, she's got shelves coming.
Okay, if you're in the chat andyou want something.
Yeah, she's got shelves coming.
Okay, if you're in the chat andyou want something, let me know
what you want Merch, bobble,book, bracelet, whatever you
want, get in there, I'll letpeople.
You know, some people are likeI was on the couch.
I couldn't.
I'm giving you enough warningso you can get to your device.
I mean, people are watching onApple TV, they're watching on

(01:05:56):
their phone, their iPad, theirKindle Fire I don't know what
people are watching on anythingand everything these days.
So you got to give them a fewseconds to get up and get some
of that.
Okay, so that's enough time.
Five, four, three, two.
Oh my God, it goes so fast.
We got 1,600 people in hereright now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
And one, uh, mary H book.
Okay, mary H, you get a book.
Email Claire at bone forgoodcom and she will send you a
book.
Um, it's going to be apaperback because we are running
out of hardbacks, right, is ithardbacks?

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
We're running out of paperbacks, running out of
hardbacks.
Right, Is it hardbacks we'rerunning?

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
out of no.
We're running out of paperbacksRunning out of paperbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
Yeah, we are, we are running out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:42):
No, I think you get it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Yes, Honey.
I ship all the orders.
I keep the inventory.
Don't question me.

Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
But it's the paperbacks that we're running
out of, yes, not the hardbacks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Well, we're running.
We're getting lower, much lower, on hardbacks than we've ever
been, but we will absolutely runout of paperbacks before we run
out of hardbacks, but that'sokay.
Well, mary, let me know yourpreference, and whatever your
preference is, that's what I'llsend to you.

Speaker 1 (01:07:10):
Yeah, I want to say that there's two piles of books.
There's a paperback stack andthere's a hardback stack, and of
one of those there's only liketwo.
Is it like no, there's eightboxes of one and there's like 50
of another not 50, but yeah, no, a lot more.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
Okay, she's taking care of business.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
Trust me, I know I count up those boxes at least
once every month.
Well, thank you, Mary.

Speaker 1 (01:07:37):
You get a book, hardback or paperback, I don't
know Just whichever one you want, it'll be signed by both of us.
Back to the questions.
Mary Kay Setzer says questionwas Dave born into Scientology?
How did he get in?
Ron Miscavige tells the storythat when he him and his wife

(01:08:04):
got into Scientology when DaveMiscavige was very young and he
had he was very small and he wasasthmatic and when they did
some Scientology counseling onhim it helped his asthma and he
then became.
He started doing Scientologytraining on how to become a

(01:08:24):
counselor when he was like 14 or15 or something like that.
And then they were in Englandat this facility called St Hill
in East Grinstead, sussex.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
West Sussex, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Oh, west Sussex, East Grinstead, west Sussex.
Yeah of course.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I know it's counterintuitive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
It's so random.
It's like I live in NorthHollywood in Southern California
.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Yeah, see, it's exactly like that.
You got it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
So that is how he got in.
He got in as a young child andthen he joined the Sea
Organization and started workingfor Hubbard and the Sea
Organization and then later on,ron Miscavige then also joined
the Sea Organization in the Iwant to say in the 1980s, then

(01:09:18):
also joined the Sea Organizationin the I want to say in the
1980s, in the, let's say, late80s, mid to late 80s.
Then Ron Miscavige joined theSea Work and worked at Golden
Air Productions as a musician.
He was like a professionaltrumpet player.
Okay, thank you, I think weanswered that pretty thoroughly.
Daphne's mom question are SOSea Work staff charged for the

(01:09:38):
uniform?
Do they get a set amount issuedor replacements as needed?
Amazingly great question.
Daphne's mom.
Thank you.
In the Sea Org you are issued auniform of sorts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Not new yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Depending on where you work and depending on how
long you've been in the Seaorganization.
If you're a new Sea Org member,you're going to get the Sea Org
uniform, at least in our timeOkay, from 1990 to 2005,.
This is how it was done at theinternational headquarters, the
top of all of the ScientologySea Organizations.

(01:10:12):
When I arrived at the base, Iwas given a set of uniforms and
I would say that 75% of theuniform parts were used, used
shoes, used pants, shirts, andthat's it.
That's really what you get.
You get pants, shirts, shoes.

(01:10:35):
Now, depending on your uniformand where you work, you may also
get a belt and a belt bucklethat has a little C or it's a
little like it's it you.
But a lot of times in my case,I got clothes from somebody that
wasn't my size, so I had highwaters for probably the first

(01:11:00):
six months I was in the Sea Org.
At the base I had like theycame up to like my lower calf,
my pants, and literally was likemaybe five or six inches too
short the pants.
They were the right waist butnot the right length, and that's
just what I got.
And the uniform lady her namewas Paula Press and her nickname

(01:11:24):
was Pogo.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Was it Pogo?
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It was Pogo right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
Yeah, it was Pogo.
You're absolutely right.
And let's not skip over thefact that the way they were
recycling the uniform is thatwhen somebody would escape, boom
, they just got a whole newstash of uniform to add to the
pile.
So nine times out of 10, you'dbe wearing the uniform of
somebody who had escaped, but sothat would be your original

(01:11:50):
assignment.
There was a supposed to be anallotment that was given to you.
It just never was done, and so,oftentimes too, we would end up
using our $46 to buy a new pairof shoes, for example, for
ourselves, or a new shirt, orwhatever.
So, yeah, no-transcript.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
Um, it'll melt, it'll burn the top of your feet.
If you're standing outside thethe, the shoes will soak up the
sun and then they will burn yourfeet through your socks.
That's how hot it is.
So in the 19 in 1995 and I'mnot sure why this happened,
maybe somebody out there knowsbut we switched.
Somebody somewhere decidedmaybe not the best idea to put

(01:13:06):
these guys in these outfits, andI think it was because people
were fainting.
People were fainting.
We'd have these things called amuster, where they gather
everybody up and y'all stand inline and they're outside in the
hot 120 degree heat and peoplewould just be standing there for
so long they they just take a,take a hit, they just fall over
and hit the deck.
Um on.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
on a couple of occasions somebody did die.
I don't know that it was fromheat exhaustion.
Remember there was a guy thatdropped dead at Walmart we were
talking about that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
But it was during that heat wave, but I don't know
it was.
But I mean, I think he had aheart attack.
He was at Walmart, he didn't,he wasn't, he was in the store.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
But he wasn't that old either.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
No, he wasn't, and we couldn't go to Walmart after
that.
It was like in the early daysof the into the town that we
lived at, if somebody, ifsomebody you knew had a car
which was kind of a rare thing,but if you knew somebody with a
car, on Sunday mornings we get afew hours to do our laundry and
to clean our room and if yougot up early and didn't want to

(01:14:05):
sleep in that day, you could getup and go into town and go to
the store.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
But we would go in uniform.
So that's when that became ano-no, like no more.
You can't go anywhere if you'rewearing uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
Because there wasn't a lot of time to go do
excursions.
So you'd get dressed and you'dbe ready for post.
Then you'd go to Walmart andyou walk into Walmart Walmart's
in Hemet, California.
There's no naval yards nearby.
So, you'd walk in in this fullfake Navy outfit with with bars
and everything.

(01:14:39):
Some, some people were likelieutenant, junior grade or
commander or captain or whatever, and you'd walk into Walmart.
It's like, hey, I didn't even,I didn't even see you guys pull
in where you ducked, you know.
It's like no, we're in thedesert, okay, there's no sea
around here, um, and it evensaid on the little tags it would
say c organization.

(01:15:00):
But when you go into walmartyou have to take your tag off so
nobody could see who you were,because it had your name on it
too and it had your, your, theorganization you were in yeah,
so you were, if you were from.
Also, there was a cover storyfor the int base that it was a
film studio.
So if, if you walk into Walmartwith something that says CMO
International, which is a veryhigh Scientology management

(01:15:21):
organization, not a film outfit,then it would be like they're
not shooting films, they'remanaging Scientology up there.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, which now?
And if you forgot to take yourtag off, you could be assigned a
lower condition.

Speaker 1 (01:15:35):
Anyway, my whole point is the uniform switching
was that they got uniforms fromJCrew so they got like these
crew neck shirts for, like, thefilm teams and all these
different departments of GoldenEra, instead of having C-related
organizations.
They just switched to differentcolor shirts.
So if you were in this area,wear a blue shirt, in this area,

(01:15:56):
wear a brown shirt.
And they were all from J crewand and and initially it was
like if you need a new shirt,you have to send something into
the uniform person and they willget you a shirt.
And it was like this wholething oh, we're getting all new
uniforms, yay, no more crappy Cor uniforms Um.
And so they switched over tothis within a month.
The Marona that's the Walmartbrand of the same type of shirts

(01:16:20):
that you could get from J crew.
You can get almost all theexact same colors of a J crew
shirt at the time at Walmart.
It was called I want to say itwas called a Marona Um anyway,
and so you would just end upbuying your shirts from Walmart.
The uniform people never boughtme those shirts.
I would go after that.
First they gave me three shirtsfor the week, which is

(01:16:43):
ridiculous because you'resweating and you're hot and
you're nasty every day andyou're not doing laundry until
that week, for sure At the endof the week.
But anyway, we would go.
We would buy all our uniformfrom Walmart pants.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Somebody in the comments that it was Sonoma was
the name.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
No, it was Marona.
Trust me, I bought them.
I probably have one layingaround here somewhere, anyway,
hey you know what Don't?
don't knock, don't knock,wally's.
I've gotten quite a fewhigh-end shorts from that old
Sam's Club over there.
People think like, what are allthese shirts you're getting?

(01:17:19):
It's like, well, I do.
Some of these shirts are mostof the shirts you see me wear
are from this place calledUntuck it, and that's just
because I got a big belly and Idon't like to tuck in my shirts,
so I get them from a placecalled Untuck it.
I mean, it's a no brainer.
But shorts, all that stuff,sam's club, costco.
I'm easy, I'm like you know,I'm not, we're not spending a

(01:17:42):
lot of money on clothes.
Uh, uh, for me in the in the uhat uh, Sam's club.
I'm, I'm pretty good there.
But uh, sea Org, you're buyingyour own.
You.
A lot of SeaWorld members wouldpay to dry clean their uniforms.
If they had some money and theybought enough parts, they would
dry clean them.
Oh my God, so much money, a lotof the money that you get paid.
You're getting that 46 bucks aweek.

(01:18:02):
A lot of that money Scientologyis taking right back If they're
getting it through the canteenlike they're selling you snacks
and stuff like that and um, andyou could buy your uniform parts
, so like if you sent in a thingsaying hey, I need a new shirt,
and the girl said, oh, I can'tget it through financial
planning, it would have to getapproved.
That would never get approvedthrough financial planning.

(01:18:23):
It would always be like, no, no, we're not going to pay for
that.
We're not going to pay for that.
We can't even pay for toiletpaper.
You think we're going to getClaire Headley a new shirt, but
if you knew the price, you say,hey, I need a new shirt.
So it's never going to getapproved.
How much is it?
It's 35 bucks.
Okay, here's 35 bucks, can Iget a new shirt?
And then they give you a shirt.
So it's shitty, lafanda again.

(01:18:45):
Thank you, lafanda.
Usually your streams are at 2to 4 am over here.
I'm an ICU nurse for 35 years,working night shifts and
basically transformed into anowl, perfect for SBTV Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Hey, there you go.
Perfect, that's.
Amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Awesome.
Yeah, we do have a lot ofpeople in a lot of places that
watch this.
It's crazy.
We're up to 1,800 people inhere right now.
Hit that click, click that likebutton or that subscribe button
if you haven't done it already.
Oh, leah, leah, I've beenbinging your content for a

(01:19:21):
couple weeks now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
so thanks for that, claire.
What's your take on Janice'sopinion that Shelly isn't
missing but is happy,comfortable and with her friends
?
Yeah, so I don't agree withJanice on that, which is fine.
Everyone has their own opinions.
I just think, if that's thecase, shelly should tell that to
us herself, because that's tobe the sign of being free.
And you know, somebody else wascommenting well, how do you
know she's not dead?
I don't know she's not dead.
And again, if I were Shelley, Iwould want people to keep

(01:19:50):
asking questions and I wouldwant the ability to make the
choice for myself, which I knowShelley does not have, if she's
still alive.
So there you go.
That's why I'm doing thisseries and keep on going.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Okay, Emily K says so .
I was flipping through the TVchannels the other day and saw a
Scientology TV station.
What's the point of that?
Does it actually get people inor is it more of an ego stroke
for DM?
You called it, Emily.
That is an ego stroke for DM.
You called it, Emily.
That is an ego stroke for DM.
They're not getting anyone intoScientology on that channel.
In fact, Scientology is payingI can't remember what the figure

(01:20:24):
is.
Somebody said it.
There's something somewhere.
They're paying millions ofdollars to have that TV channel
on direct TV.
Every video that's on there isalso on their website, and
everything on their website isuseless in terms of telling you
anything about Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
It's like if the—I can't remember what the guy is.
He's a cult guy, jim Jones, ifhe did a video on Jonestown and
said how amazing it was in thistropical oasis and all that.
That's essentially whatScientology is doing.
I do know these videos that sayhow awesome Scientology is.

(01:21:03):
Well, if you talk to anybodywho's been in Scientology,
they'll say that's not what'shappening in Scientology.
It ain't that awesome, it'shorrible.
I just heard a story.
My next door neighbor went tothe same Scientology school that
I went to here in Colorado.
We never knew each other.
When the Leah, um, the uh, leahRemini, uh, scientology in the

(01:21:23):
aftermath math show came out, hecame over and knocked on my
door.
He's like hey, dude, you nevertold me you were in that
nonsense.
I was like you never told meyou were in that nonsense.
Um, anyway, he went to the same.
He went to Delphi in Delphi,oregon.
I went to Delphi, the Delphischool in Los Angeles, but his
mom was was a Scientologist andshe's been a Scientologist for

(01:21:46):
like 50 years and she was stillin and he, he, he, he went to
Scientology schools but he nevercontinued on in Scientology.
He hasn't had anything to dowith it for you know, like 30
years and his mom.
He just talked to his mom and hesaid my mom finally quit.
I was like what she's in her80s, she's like, yeah, them

(01:22:09):
$5,000.
And then the first thing theywanted to do is send her to
ethics and she was like hell, no, I'm out'm out yeah and he and
he, and he was telling us he'slike you already gave him two
hundred fifty thousand dollars,but this five thousand you're
like that's it, nope, I'm done.
And so, yeah and it.
So it takes this differentstrokes for different folks.

(01:22:30):
Man, she gave these people twohundred two hundred fifty
thousand dollars over her over30, 40, 50 years.
And when she gave him fivethousand dollars and they didn't
just give her what she paid forand they made her, they said
she was in trouble and I was.
She's like that's it, I'm doneyep and she's like this David
Miscavige is corrupted, thewhole place.
It's like well, maybe, but itwas corrupt, it was, he's just

(01:22:54):
corrupted it more.
It was already messed up, hejust messed it up more.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Yeah, oh, by the way, my other answer to that last
comment about the channel isit's the ego.
And then also it's somethingthat David Miscavige can show to
Tom Cruise and say look at me,look what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
Well, it's also something he can tell
Scientologists.
We've got our own TV channelnow.

Speaker 2 (01:23:15):
Aren't we amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
Yeah so does Baywatch ?
Baywatch, a show that was on 20years ago.
There's a channel that justplays Baywatch 24-7.
So Scientology congratulationson getting up to Baywatch level
in the world of TV channels.
If you want to watchScientology all day and all
night, these white bread, justnonsense.

(01:23:39):
Videos with lens, flare andeverything fogged out and
effects and very highly producednonsense that tells you nothing
, go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
Although I would say I guarantee Baywatch gets way
more viewers.
Yeah, well, no, yeah, no, 100guarantee.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Baywatch gets way more viewers.
Yeah Well, no, yeah, no, onehundred percent Baywatch.
I'll watch an episode ofBaywatch before I'm watching an
episode of Scientology nonsensetoday, or whatever they call it
over there, pete in Toronto saysMark, we disappointed not to
win the birthday game in March,but don't you now have more subs
than Church of Scientology hasmembers?
This is true.
I do have more subscribers thanthere of Scientology has

(01:24:15):
members.
This is true.
I do have more subscribers thanthere are Scientologists I.
We were kind of playing aroundwith that birthday game thing,
um, and I don't remember.

Speaker 2 (01:24:24):
I don't remember trying to get to 80,000 because
that's how many the Scientologychannel hand.

Speaker 1 (01:24:29):
No, yeah, maybe, maybe we'll, we'll get there,
guys.
I mean, scientology has beenbeen.
They spend millions andmillions.
And also, um, I don't want totell scientology this, but I'm
going to just because I find itso fun.
But, um, scientology pays somuch money on the internet for

(01:24:50):
ads and stuff like that.
They're.
The reasons why thesescientology videos get monetized
and moved up in the ranks soquickly on YouTube is because
the algorithm thinks that peoplewant to know about this,
because there's so much addollars being spent on it.
So, in a weird sort of twistedway, scientology is not only

(01:25:11):
paying for these videos, butthey are making the algorithm
put these videos at the topbecause they're always in the
news and they're always payingfor millions and millions of
dollars for Google ads.
So the algorithm's like peoplewant to know about this.
So YouTube sends our videos andit is true the more you

(01:25:31):
subscribe, the more you like,the more you comment on videos.
The algorithm does push it intothe recommended videos section
more yeah but, um, I want to sayI'm going to look here right
now, guys, I'm, I'm, I'm allabout looking at the numbers
here.
Um recommended mark loves hisanalytics I do love these
analytics um recommended.

(01:25:53):
Of course I go to do it and Ican't I hide it well, no,
because when I want to see it Idon't know where it's coming
from.
Oh, here we go.
Okay, suggested videos.
Right now, 35% of our viewersare coming from suggested videos
, so the video gets suggestedand then somebody watches it.

(01:26:13):
So, and the way it's doing thatis getting when they get liked
and subscribed and when there'sa user engagement or comments or
any of that sort of thing.
You know, the algorithm is asecret.
We don't think they're alwayskind of tweaking and I think,
but as far as we can understandthat that's why these videos get
watches.
So thank you for the people whohave subscribed and like these

(01:26:36):
videos.
We appreciate it and it helpsus keep going.
Ms Pillow says a little trickon the Scientology email list.
Every time I receive a phishingemail that shows an individual
email address, I report thephishing email, but I also sign
that email address up for theCOS newsletter.
Two birds, one stone nice,that's amazing that's such a

(01:26:59):
great idea actually.
Um, I'm not sure.
Yeah, I'm not sure how thatworks exactly, but it sounds fun
.
Um, thank you for that.
Miss below.
Um, destiny salazar says do youknow if scientology nursing
homes are subject to anyregulatory agencies?
You know that's a very goodquestion, so I'm trying to

(01:27:21):
debate whether we can talk aboutWell, I'll just talk about this
.
I'll use vague terms in termsof some of these individuals,
but we found that whatScientology is doing with these
elderly folks that are with thisis what Scientology is doing
with these elderly folks thatare with this is and, to be fair
, almost all of these cases thatwe're dealing with these days
are C org members that arebecoming elderly.

(01:27:55):
There was another thing that washappening, which totally
separate to this, whereScientology had elderly civilian
members that they were signingup for credit cards, and that's
when this whole chase wave it'scalled the chase wave is
generally how it's referred towhere Scientology was committing
tens of millions of dollarsworth of credit card fraud, and
so much so that the chase creditcard company said we will not
work with you anymore, like ifyou are from a Scientology

(01:28:19):
facility or business ors,sometime in the late 80s or late
80s, mid 80s, american Expressdid the same thing for the exact

(01:28:44):
same reason.
They were charging people'scards and the people weren't
being, were not either were notaware of it, or they said you
can put fifty dollars and theyput five thousand.
That sort of thing.
They said you can put $50 andthey put 5,000, that sort of
thing.
So the thing that they're doingnow is not only are they doing
that credit card fraud of coursethey're elderly, we're going to
get that money but the otherthing that they're doing is

(01:29:05):
they're then taking those peopleand putting them in a nursing
home or some sort of carefacility.
Whether it's a legit nursinghome or not, it could just be an
apartment building with a bunchof folks that are older in it,
and they're using their SocialSecurity payments to pay the
minimum balance on the creditcards and to pay whoever is

(01:29:28):
renting this apartment buildingout or the room out for their
person and in some cases they're.
They're ganging members up inthese apartments, so they might
be paying for a one bedroomapartment, but they might have
six elderly people in it orwhatever.
We I'm not.
I don't know exactly how it'sbeing done, but we do know that
there are places where they'reputting these people, where

(01:29:50):
they're not being properly caredfor.

Speaker 2 (01:29:52):
Yep, and absolutely do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:54):
And not only that, but those places are sort of
acting like a camp for them.
So if they want to leave,there's somebody there says no,
no, no, no, no, no, you're notsupposed to go anywhere, just
stay right here.
Let me call somebody if youwant to end up going out.
And so if somebody is trying totake off, or if a family member
comes to visit them or findsout they're there and says, hey,
we're getting out of here, thenthat person lets somebody know

(01:30:17):
hey, the son just came and he'staken the person.
And we actually were able tofind an elderly Sea Org member.
We were able to locate themexactly where they were at.
We got family members and someother people to go and get that
person and within minutes we hadthe head of that nursing home

(01:30:38):
or what care facility, whateveryou want to call it was on the
phone with us threatening tocall the police if we didn't
bring the person back, eventhough the person was like you
got to get me out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
No, they threatened the elderly person.
I understand us.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, no, I know I understand, but as soon as we
level worse, yeah, well, yeah,they did say it to the elderly
person, but then, once theyfigured out that the elderly
person wasn't acting on theirown, they then threatened you
better return this person,otherwise there's going to be
consequences.
We didn't do anything, we'rejust like whatever.
Yeah, the consequences areyou're going to get shut down,

(01:31:13):
shut up, um, anyway, but um,it's horrible, it's horrible and
it's not.
And this is, this is sort of athing.
When you're in the c-org you dowonder, like, what's going to
happen when I get older and youstart to see when you're there.
Like one time at theinternational headquarters, they
just got a bunch of buses andthey put all the old people on

(01:31:34):
it and they were gone.
So one day you woke up, you wokeup and you know 80 percent of
the old folks were gone.
That day there was and thesewere people that had been in the
Sea Org their entire lives,like they were on the, the
tugboat or ferry cow ferry orwhatever.
Whatever the Apollo, the SeaOrg ship was before L1 Hubbard

(01:31:59):
bought it.
They were on that boat with L1Hubbard and then they were at
the base and they weren't allthese and they were just like
Thrown out like the trash, justlike, hey, these guys, they're
not working past dinner and andthe the that was.
Another thing is that whenthese people start aging out in
the Sea Org, their schedule getsless and less.
So you had people coming in inthe morning bus for breakfast

(01:32:21):
and they were leaving on a lunchbus to go home.
They literally could only workfor three hours because they're
just not able to be a full, havea full time job at 72.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
And they had to have special approval to get onto
that shortened schedule.
And a lot of times it would bedenied or you'd have elderly
people that instead of goinghome at midnight, they were
allowed to go home at 10 PM.
Yes, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:32:48):
For a long time it would be like, oh, where are
they going?
And be like, oh, they'resecuring early.
And you'd be like what?
And be like, well, they'reelderly, dude.
And you'd be like, where arethey going?
To be like, oh, they'resecuring early.
And you'd be like what?
And be like, well, they'reelderly dude.
And you'd be like, I know, butit's like 10 o'clock.
They get to go home that early.
I'm saying 10 pm at night, sowe would have got there at eight
and if you were elderly, they'dlet you go home at 10.
And then it got to the pointwhere, you know, somebody had a

(01:33:10):
stroke or somebody fell down orsomebody broke their leg or
something.
Be like, okay, we'll let themgo home at dinner from now on.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:18):
And then if you were really up there and maybe one
time I'll have to tell thatBarry story.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
Oh, my goodness, that's in your book.
It is yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:26):
Okay, you got to look at the book for that one.
It's not PG-13, folks.
Anyway, get a copy of Bl blownfor good behind the iron curtain
of scientology by mark headley.
We went way off topic on thatone.
Jill harrison with divorce socommonplace and no biggie, why
doesn't dm just divorce shellyand remarry to take pressure off
?
Where is his wife?

Speaker 2 (01:33:46):
good question, jill and the answer to that is
because of what shelly knows, hewill not do that because he
does not want to lose control ofher.
Yes, and also he doesn't muchcare about the rules, as we
learned from Jackson's storythat you know why who needs a
divorce.

Speaker 1 (01:34:05):
Who's going to tell on him the girl he's getting
busy with these days?
I don't think so.
Not so much.
Stacy says.
Have you seen the Jonathan Rossinterview with Courtney love
talking about Scientology,warlords, kirstie Allie, tom
Cruise's wedding and LRH sayingwe come from mollusks?
Lol, I've never seen that, butall of those things sound

(01:34:25):
accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:34:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:34:27):
I have not seen that.
Is it recent?
Maybe somebody can post, sendme a link.
Put a link in the comments andI'll check it out or email us a
link.
That would be great.
Yeah, John Satowski says theywill get my lawn darts when they
pry them out of my cold, deadhands.
Thank you, John.
Thank you, John.
Frequent flyer John here.
Yes, Gina Marie Torino.
Thank you for the super sticker.

(01:34:49):
Evelyn Lee Barney.
Plastic ball tip search.
Lawn darts game.
Yeah, no, I know, I know whatlawn darts are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
We missed the 30 minute giveaway, Mark, I think.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
No, we gave it away, we did the second one.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Oh, I thought we were doing one every 30 minutes.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Oh, I see, we did one at 45 and then we did one in an
hour.
You want to do another one?
I thought we had two.
If you're fine to do anotherone, we'll do a final one at the
and then we won't did one in anhour.
You want to?

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
do another one.
I thought we had two you, uh,if you, if you're fine, to do
another one, final one at theend.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
Yeah, I'm trying to get through the last of these
questions.
They keep coming um, chow,young schmutt.
Um, I need to get a mini micbecause I'm going to be in both
aruba and curacao in august.
Might need to snap some photosof mike with the free, free wins
, okay.
Well, if you've got enoughmoney to go to Aruba and Curacao
, just go to the spshopcom orthe spshop.

(01:35:41):
Isn't there a new one now thatwe have?

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Yeah, we have to do the final steps of linking it,
but the other one hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:35:49):
It's in the description, the link's in the
description.
You can go there and get one.
They're not that much thebobbleheads, I think this was.
I mean, I need to get a minimic.
Okay, get a mini mic.
I approve of this message.
Yes, you need a mini mic.
If you're going to Aruba andCuracao, then you need to snap
some photos of Mike with thefree ones.
Absolutely, I agree, thank you.

(01:36:10):
Gina Marie sends another supersticker there.
Thank you for that, gina.
Oh, here's another one.
Gina Marie sends another supersticker there.
Thank you for that, gina.
Oh, here's another one, ginaMarie, thinking of your love
story, mark and Claire, nomatter what.
Oh, thank you for that.
Yeah, yes, we are been togetherfor 31 years, almost, so almost
.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
August is our 31st 31st anniversary.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
Oh my god, didn't we start dating in May, or some
nonsense like that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:33):
Just take it easy, yeah we started dating in may or
some nonsense like that.
Just take it easy we starteddating in may and we got married
in august it's like a 12 yearold celebrating my five and a
half birthday now.
Now, honey, don't don't do that.
Uh, we were gonna get marriedin july, but that didn't work
out because my mom did notapprove.
Right at the moment she waslike like remember, she was

(01:36:55):
trying to get me to wait sixmonths, like for someone that
got married when you were eightmonths pregnant with me, that's
pretty comical.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
And how old was she?

Speaker 2 (01:37:03):
17.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Exactly, it's like come on mom yeah.
Oh boy, metalhead again.
Was that leaked TCC of S videoactually written by anyone?
It sounds as if they told himjust make stuff up as you go.
Oh my god, I think we did avideo about this on Aaron's
channel.
I can't remember where.
I've talked about this video ina million different places.
That video was the third in aseries of Tom Cruise videos and

(01:37:29):
that was just Tom Cruise talking.
They just asked him questionsabout him and then he answered
questions about him and then heanswered questions about him to
a camera and then DavidMiscavige spent days
meticulously cutting that videotogether.
So that video is a snapshot ofDavid Miscavige's mind of what

(01:37:52):
would be the best possiblethings Tom Cruise could say to
talk about how awesome TomCruise was.
And so that video we're talkingabout, the black turtleneck
video, which is like if you gotKSW and have you ever met an SP?

Speaker 2 (01:38:08):
The only person who can help at the site of an
accident or whatever nonsensethat was.
Oh my gosh, I cannot even watchit anymore.
It's just so cringy.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
I want to say that it was about an hour, maybe an
hour or two of footage.
It was a small camera crew justtalking to Tom and that video
is unedited.
It looks like somebody choppedit up and made it.
No, that's David Miscavigechopping it up.
What's out there is what DavidMiscavige spent days and days,

(01:38:41):
just even the when the musiccomes in and the way the
announcer goes Tom Cruise hasintroduced billions to
Scientology and they and theyjust take like if you watched a
Tom Cruise movie, you've beenintroduced to Scientology.
That they just take like if youwatched a Tom Cruise movie
you've been introduced toScientology.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
That's how they come up with the billion.
There's this one section inthat video where Tom Cruise is
walking and the VO was like TomCruise, and then Tom Cruise goes
and then it's Scientologist.
David Miscavige worked on that10 seconds for at least a full
24 hours around the clock.
It was insane.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Oh, here Rusty says Muscovage wedding definitely
before December 82, 80, 81 inMCI.
Mci is Massacre Canyon Inn,which is the dining hall that we
used to eat in.
There was a giant massacrethere many years ago where some
Indians and some cowboys or Ican't remember who was involved,

(01:39:41):
but there was a massacre thereand that the name of the eating
the dining hall we ate in wascalled Massacre Canyon Inn.
David Miscavige weddingdefinitely before December 82,
81, 80, 81 and MCI I left inspring 82.
They'd already been married awhile, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Yeah, so maybe it was December 81.
I'll double check that.
The information I have wasDecember 82,.
But thank you for that and,yeah, maybe shoot me an email.
I'd love to pick your brains onany other information you might
want to share.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
Yes, we're literally getting pieces of stuff from all
over the place and so, yeah,we're putting it all together.

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
But even if it was December 81, they'd still been a
you know, quote, unquote.
Anyway, yeah, neither here northere, but thank you for that.

Speaker 1 (01:40:30):
If they were boinking for two years or three years,
it doesn't matter To any Sea Orgmember that got in trouble for
that it is a huge deal in theworld of Scientology that David
Miscavige and Shelley Miscavigewere lying when being
interrogated and lying about notgoing out 2D and they were
working for Hubbard.

(01:40:51):
If you were in the SeaOrganization, this is a
scandalous revelation to anyoneelse they're like, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:41:01):
Who doesn't do that I know?

Speaker 1 (01:41:04):
And that's the craziest part is in the Sea Org.
There's so much significanceput on this that people's
careers and over these type ofthings and we've known of, I
want to say we knew, we knew ofpeople that went to the RPF and
we.
But we know of people that leftthe Sea Org because of
something like this.
Like they, it was found outthey did something and then we

(01:41:25):
never saw them ever again, andthey may have been there for 20
years before that.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Nurse Lori says.
Been watching from thebeginning, got hooked watching
the aftermath.
Can't wait for Claire andHannah's books.
Yes, hannah's writing a booktoo.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
Yeah, hannah's way more done than I am too.
Yeah, well, she said she's atlike 80%.
I'm at 25%.
I got to get my.
I got to quit playing.
Drag us.

Speaker 1 (01:41:51):
She said it, not me.
Folks, thanks for the supersticker.
I did.
I own it.
People are trying to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:00):
Amy PH.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
Okay, that's my translation.
If you say so, I think peopleare trying to throw me off here.
Pat Shore, mark, she is yoursuperior, don't question her.
Lol, love when you guys go backand forth like that.
Okay, that's what I'm sayinghere.
I'm saying here, I'm like, okay, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:16):
I know I always laugh when people get ticked off
about various different things.
I'm like oh my gosh, we've beenmarried almost 31 years, Like
seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:42:24):
And guess who's starring all these questions?
Yeah, this one right here.
Mousy says oh, it's justnonstopstop.
Now uh.
Mousey says mark wears thepants, claire decides which ones
.
It never ends I can never, cannever.
Uh, no win.
Uh, oh, marilyn.
Marilyn honick says hi, markand claire love.

(01:42:46):
You guys just tuning in, butwanted to remind everyone.
Monday night after aaron's livestream is the 10 hour chat-a
just to show Mike our love andappreciation.
Hashtag DMike.
Thank you, marilyn.
Yeah, they're doing.
It's Clearwater Chad.
They're at Clearwater Chad,marilyn.

(01:43:07):
I don't know if Denver Stevo isinvolved with that, yes, yes.
Denver Stevo definitely is.
They have all these guys thathave these channels and they're
going to do this chat-a-thon a10-hour.
I think that might even be themax that YouTube lets you do I'm
not sure but they're going todo a 10-hour broadcast to
support my hashtag team Mike.
I've been telling people youdon't have to do it because Mike

(01:43:32):
and Christy did this video.
They said they're good for now,but if people want to show
support, I'm not going to tellthem not to show support.

Speaker 2 (01:43:38):
And I got to say their line up all night for the
love of Mike.
I love that.
It's just the best.
It's just the best.
We love Mike, we all love Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:43:49):
We do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:50):
And we are all rooting for Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
So yeah, oh, here's a good one.
Witness says Hemet is like thissurface of the sun, sometimes
so hot.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Totally, oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
It is so hot there.
You know that property.

Speaker 2 (01:44:05):
It's like hell.
It's like working in hell.

Speaker 1 (01:44:08):
That property.
If you wanted to tell somebodylike what's the hottest place
you could ever, that is one ofthose place, like it would.
I think the highest that itever got when I was personally
there in the summer was one.
I think I want to say 124, 124,125 recollection to but 100 and

(01:44:29):
what?
Somebody, somebody in thecomments say what's 125
Fahrenheit?
What is that in Celsius?
Because we got all these peopleover in Europe, we got to
convert this.
I can't convert it, I'm not ascientist, anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
Come on, guys, cut us a break.
I was born in a cult.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
But it is so hot there that, yeah, people would
pass out 50 Celsius.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
50 Celsius is how much 125 degrees is 50 celsius.

Speaker 1 (01:45:02):
So wherever, um, wherever you've been, that's
been 50, 50 celsius.
That's like august, september,like july, august, september at
the international headquarters.
That's what it's like, and itis.
It's almost like just to gofrom one building to another

(01:45:23):
building, like to go to lunch.
You gotta run, otherwise youwill get cooked, you'll get
sunburned on the way there.
It's that hot and you and whenwe did wear black shoes, you're
the tops of your feet would getburnt for standing out in the
sun for like five or ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:45:40):
Ms Pelosi is trying to get a friend now retired to
write his story when he went toGolden Arrow Productions to
inspect sprinklers and heencountered all kinds of
Scientology weirdness.
We'll send story when I get itAwesome.

Speaker 2 (01:45:52):
Oh, yes, please.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
We have heard from so many contractors and so many
professionals that went to dosomething at a Scientology
facility and one of the guysthat I was talking to that was
at construction in Florida saidthat one time they were
finishing something at thisbuilding.
It's called the Fort HarrisonHotel and it's pretty much the

(01:46:13):
original Scientology building indowntown Clearwater that they
bought back in the 70s and andthey were doing some kind of
renovations or something thereand one of the construction guys
said I think he was a drywallguy or a carpet guy or some
trade like that and he said heopened a closet and there was a

(01:46:35):
Sea Orc member in there that hadbeen vacuuming and fell asleep
in the closet standing up andsomebody had just closed the
door and left them in there andthere was a vacuum running and
everything and they were just ina closet just upright snoozing
it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:51):
Well, you fell asleep in the baffles up in the sound
studio once right I didn'treally fall asleep.

Speaker 1 (01:46:58):
I kind of was up there for so many days that I
couldn't kind of unbend oh,that's right.
Yes, and they had to kind oflike they had to maneuver me out
.
I've been, I've been wiring upthere in like the fetal position
for so long that when I went toextend I couldn't.
My back was all, the muscleswere all cramped and from being

(01:47:18):
in that position for so long andthey literally had to kind of
carry me in a stretcher tosomewhere.
And this chiropractor guy hadto like like unwind me.
Um, m, m, nancy.
Oh, one says Mark, my man,where have you been?
I so enjoy the two of you andyour content.
Someone should knock that guyout.
I don't know who you're talkingto.

(01:47:39):
I do not condone violence, butif somebody needs to be knocked
out, I'm sure somebody will dealwith it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I know, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:46):
Scientology gets really excited if you're like,
oh yeah, you know, somebody sentme some of the David Miscavige
shoes that had like rocketsfired at like a Scientology
facility and I was like, yeah,no, we do not endorse rockets.
Rockets is too much.
Destiny Salazar, what do youthink the daily life with Davey

(01:48:09):
is like right now?
Daily life with Davey is notgood right now.
He is probably I mean the bossbaby throws tantrums when the
boss baby there Aaron just did avideo about there's a case
going on, a human trafficking,forced imprisonment, whole case
going down in Florida andthey've appealed this

(01:48:31):
arbitration portion of that,healed this arbitration portion
of that.
And if they, if the courts andthe lawyers, can figure out a
way to navigate around thisScientology arbitration nonsense
that they've sort of lockedinto, if that can be done,
that's going to be the end of it.
Because as soon as Scientologyis kind of rigged the system
right now where they make yousign these documents and say

(01:48:53):
when you leave, if you want todo anything with us, you got to
do it on our terms, you can't goto the courts and the courts
are like sounds good to us andthey've sort of left it up to
Scientology to do their ownjustice, which is crazy if you
think about.
Well, these people are beingabused, though, and they've

(01:49:13):
tried it every single time.
It didn't work in that DannyMasterson thing, and it's
certainly not going to work insome of these other things, but
for Sea Org members that haveleft and are trying to sue
Scientology to sue Scientologyin a civil case Scientology has
been able to get away with itwith this arbitration thing.

Speaker 2 (01:49:34):
Of recent years, amy Scobie and I, on one of our
Wednesday weekly shows, talkedall about that extensively, how
this is a legal lawyerfabrication by Scientology to
try and dodge these lawsuits.
So if this can get walked backand it absolutely should be,
because it's not a real thing-yeah, maria de jesus says

(01:50:00):
hashtag t mike.

Speaker 1 (01:50:01):
Thank you for that maria maria sent us some amazing
footage which is likely goingto be in our new video that we
have coming out in the next fewweeks.
Um, hopefully, uh, either.
I think we either said it wasgoing to be the beginning or mid
of July is when we're going tohave this video, this new video
that we've been working on, comeout.

(01:50:22):
But yes, thank you for that,maria Stephanie Stewart.
Up here we go.
Easy conversion Fahrenheit toCelsius temperature minus 30,
divided by two, remember thateverybody.

Speaker 2 (01:50:33):
That's what.
That's what our friend justsaid.
We were just chatting with avery dear friend of ours in
England.
That's exactly the formula hesaid.
I just wasn't paying closeenough attention.

Speaker 1 (01:50:42):
I wasn't either.
He was like minus 30.
I was like minus 30.
Thank you, stephanie.
We just talked to somebody whosaid the same thing and we
didn't remember it five minuteslater.
So, hopefully, minus 30 dividedby two.
Minus 30 divided by two.

Speaker 2 (01:50:54):
We need to practice it a few times.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Make it stick, carmina Manana, never in and
fascinated how Scientologyattracted the smartest and
brightest with change the worldvibe.
Yeah, yeah, they were.
It was very Scientology in the60s and the 70s was very like
hippie counterculture.
You know, like man we're goingto, we're not, we're going to

(01:51:17):
buck the system, man.
And now it's like anauthoritarian, overbearing cult
masquerading as a religion,doing business as a crime,
syndicate, elder abuse.
You know everything they couldscram into there.
Jackie, much love to you and MrRinder.
Aloha from a walkie world,honolulu.
This is Jackie.
Thank you, jackie thing.
They could scram into there.
Uh, jackie, much love to youand mr render.

Speaker 2 (01:51:35):
Aloha from woggy world, honolulu oh, this is
jackie thank you, jackie she'sthe 60 something year old spark
woman who does uh skateboardingin her backyard.
I watch her video.
It's amazing.
Like nice hats off to you,jackie seb.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
Sebastian Ospina, superstar Girl.
Thank you for that.
Thank you for that.

Speaker 2 (01:51:59):
Oh, here she is, and yes, shout out to Mark Fisher
and Janice Grady.
They have a live stream comingup at 7 pm Eastern time.

Speaker 1 (01:52:07):
Yeah, that's why we have to get out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:52:09):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 1 (01:52:10):
Are we feeding into that?
Is that when we end?

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
No, because it's.
I think.
If I'm not mistaken, it's in anhour and eight minutes that
they're starting, not if it'sfive eastern no, he said hold on
.
I said what time it was, but itwasn't five eastern, 7 pm
eastern, which is 5 pm mountaintime oh okay, well, we can't
forward into that.

Speaker 1 (01:52:33):
but there you you go, don't do it.
Okay.
Chow Young Smut says I'm notrolling in it, I'm going on a
cruise for a professionalconference.
But yeah, once I'm back inMinnesota I'll be placing an
order from the SP Chow Young,don't mind Mark.
I know I was just saying I'mlike I'm going to curse out
Aruba.
Can you send me a bobblehead?

(01:52:53):
It's like, well, okay, you knowlike, let's, let's evaluate the
situation here.
One of us is going on a cruiseand one of us is not, and one of
us wants to give the other abobblehead.
I don't know, maybe not fair,honey, though.

Speaker 2 (01:53:07):
We go on cruises and we're not rolling rolling in it
either.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
I understand, but I'm also not asking someone to send
me a bobblehead.
I mean, I do have a few hundred, but whatever, that's not the
point.
Borderline, what says we lovepoet.
Okay, um, there is, I think,somebody in the chat um called
poet that's stirring upcraziness and then they love it.
Um couch says coffee tastesawesome in my Xenu coffee mugs.

(01:53:34):
Oh yeah, that is a huge deal.
We are selling a ton of HaleXenu coffee mugs.
And is there Xenu as my homeboycoffee mugs as well?

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
That's a good question.
If there's not, we should addthat I'll make a note.
I'm not sure.

Speaker 1 (01:53:49):
We're selling a ton of Where's Shelly coffee mugs
and Blown for Good mugs.

Speaker 2 (01:53:56):
And coffee.
Wear Shelly coffee mugs andblown for good mugs and coffee
does taste better.
The first of the Theta potato.

Speaker 1 (01:54:00):
Um sure, theta potato we got not today Thetan.
Um, if you say it, not todayThetan, it sounds even better.
Um but um, yes, there is a tonof great merch.
If you guys haven't checked outthe merch, there is a funny one
.
Oh, maria says post the releasefor me to sign.
I think I have the release andI think Claire sent it to me and
I just didn't put it in thefolder.

Speaker 2 (01:54:21):
So I'll do that, Maria.
That's exactly right.
Thanks for the reminder, Maria.

Speaker 1 (01:54:25):
Sorry, you had to do a super sticker for that.
I've got like 600 emailswaiting for me to do something
on.
Mer P says question BesidesMike.
On uh murpy says questionbesides mike who surprised you
the most when they left?
Uh scientology?
Um, that mitch guy surprised mewhen he left yeah, he was a

(01:54:45):
lifer, senior, surprised me yeah, the only thing about ron
senior was, I think I, I don'tknow.
I kind of really knew r Ron andI kind of saw.
I kind of thought if somebodyis going to go, he's going to go
, maybe.
But Mitch I talked about.

(01:55:05):
I've talked about Mitch a bunchof times.
This is Mitch Brisker, the onethat just did the video with
Janice and Mark.
I've told a lot of stories aboutthose times and stuff like that
and for the most part I thinkyou know Mitch was just he was
sort of an outsider, he was aseat, he was a paid, he was

(01:55:26):
essentially just a higher paidSea Org member.
But he had a whole life, he hada family and he had a house and
a mortgage and you uh, you knoweverything that you have in that
world.
But he worked in the Sea Orgworld and it ruined his regular
life.
I want to say they ruined hisrelationships and things he

(01:55:47):
could have done if he was justbeing a dad and a husband and
you know live in his life.
But because he was living inthis sea organ and organization
environment, it didn't.
It just didn't work out and itwas a horrible.
It took a horrible toll on himand, um, it's just a sad story.
And it's another one of thesestories where he started getting

(01:56:09):
older and they had they startedbringing in new young kids and
young directors and he was like,ah, I don't like this.
And it was just like you know,more and more it's like sorry
old man, you know we're donewith you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:21):
We'll definitely talk to Mitch.
I really liked his wife,Allison, at the time.
But, yeah, Mitch was a uniqueperson in so many ways because
he was for all int and purposesbeing a seer member, but he
wasn't yeah, and he wasn't beingpaid that much.

Speaker 1 (01:56:41):
I thought when I was in the seer I thought he was
getting, you know, millions ofdollars.
But you know, then when I leftI was like, oh, he really wasn't
making that much money, like hewas basically covering his his
monthly nut, if that maybe noteven that on a few occasions we
really tried to get get to beable to talk to him.
Remember one time we even droveby his house to see if he was

(01:57:02):
there to just oh, I sent himemails, yeah, oh, I might even
have talked about this on a livestream.

Speaker 2 (01:57:10):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:57:11):
Yeah, this is the guy I was telling you guys about.
I sent him emails in 2005.
When I got out, I sent himemails and said, dude, you got
to get out, I got to talk to you, I got to tell you some stuff.
And I kept sending him and keptsending him and finally he just
said, dude, I don't want tohear from you ever again, don't
talk to me.
And I was like, okay, I tried.

(01:57:33):
And then, ever again don't talkto me.
And I was like, okay, I tried.
And then, you know, I startedtalking to him, you know, a few
weeks ago, and he's like I waslike, hey, just to you know,
just be fair, I tried.
And he's like I know, I wish Icould get those.
You know what is that?

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
That's 17 years, 18 years 18 years.
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
So if you're watching this and you're in Scientology,
years yep, so if you'rewatching this and you're in
scientology.
You know ain't no time like thepresent that money may be gone,
but every extra minute youspend there you ain't getting
that back.
You can't make the time again.
You can always make more money,you can always, uh, buy another
car or another house, or youcan always do all that stuff,
but the time's gone every time.
All the minutes you waste,those are gone forever.

(01:58:15):
Yep Time memories, those arethings you can't ever get back.
Vsb since 1970, says muchrespect to you both for all you
do.
Thank you for that.
We appreciate it.
We appreciate all the supportyou guys.
We appreciate all the guystuning in here to watch this
stuff and those who like andsubscribe.
We also have a special place inour heart for you people as

(01:58:43):
well.
We are, and we are almost tothe end of this stream.
Chiyoko B says super sticker,thank you, and Kate tops it says
super sticker.
That's all.
It is perfect, love it.
Thank you.
Here we go.
Michael Lake, can you say howmany people aftermath foundation
has helped escaped?
It's incredible what you bothdo, more than Scientology has to
make the world better.
I don't know if we're keepingtrack like that, because it's

(01:59:04):
different Some people there'skind of all different categories
for the Aftermath Foundation.
The Aftermath Foundation isthere to help people sort of get
back on their feet once they'veleft Scientology.
Every once in a while, someone,the person who's leaving
Scientology it hasn't done ityet and we help them leave and

(01:59:27):
then we help them get back ontheir feet.
But we've helped people thatwere in the Sea Org maybe a few
years ago and they left or theywere in Scientology their whole
life and now their family havedisconnected from them because
they said they no longer want tobe involved in Scientology.
So everybody has a differentstory and in most cases these

(01:59:48):
people.
This is not the best time,maybe when you first get out.
Maybe that's not the best timeto share your story, maybe after
a year or so, when you get yourfeedback on the ground and you
sort of figure everything out.
And so we're not eager to sharethose people's stories with
anybody.

Speaker 2 (02:00:07):
And we want those people to share their stories or
not.
It's no strings attached.
There's no.
When the Aftermath Foundationhelps somebody, there's
absolutely no requirement thatthey speak out ever Nothing, Um.
And also the help that isprovided varies so widely
there's many, many pieces ofthat that we don't really put a

(02:00:28):
number on, like just talking topeople helping with resumes,
career mentorship, all of thoseelements.
But we are absolutelydefinitely gaining some really
good momentum, Like last year.
The direct assistance weprovided by dollar amount was, I
think, want to say triple whatwe've done in prior years.

(02:00:52):
Yeah, so we're absolutelygaining amazing momentum and
those stories will be shared.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
So, yes, yeah, For all those that want to share,
we're perfectly happy to do so.
Rocket Out with Kim D Hi, saysClaire.
What's the name of your furbaby?

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
Oh hi, Kim D.
Hey, well, I have four furbabies.
Bella is my German Shepherd.
She's not here right now.
Max is Mark's fur baby, more soI mean, if you ask Max right
before dinner, he'll say he's myfur baby.
And then our kitty kitties areOreo and Jazzy, and then there's

(02:01:32):
the salamander.
That's Mark's project it'sproject, it's grayson's well,
yeah, but you found him andbrought him into the home when
we had a pet moratorium it'strue.

Speaker 1 (02:01:44):
Um laurie in georgia says when I was little, I
thought clearing the planetmeant beaches oh, that's amazing
that's amazing it funny, we'reclearing the planet.
We're picking up cans off thebeach.

Speaker 2 (02:01:59):
So my version of that was I would always hear people
talking about Scientology,saying that it was brainwashing,
and I was like how does thatwork?
Do you put your brain in awashing machine?
Like what is that Bizarre?

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
John Satowski says should rum and Coke be called
the Xenu cocktail?
No, rum and Coke was Hubbard'sthing, so you could call it the
Blubberd Hubbard or you know wecould make a name for that.
I'm pretty sure that whateverdrink Xenu likes has glycol in
it.
I don't know how you would dothat.
That's what he put all the bodythings in the people who were

(02:02:36):
frozen and put them in thevolcanoes.

Speaker 2 (02:02:37):
Yeah well, if we ever do an SP cruise, we'll figure
out a Zinu cocktail.
We'll have a costume contest.
We'll have another night wherewe just do Scientology songs
karaoke.
We stand tall, you know allthat.

Speaker 1 (02:02:51):
I don't know why we're waiting for a cruise.
We need to think of some drinks.
Right now people are doingdrinking games.
If you guys have ideas forXenu-themed cocktails, shoot us
an email or just get in thecomments.
You don't have to email useverything.
Just go in the comments and sayyou know, put a little bit of
this and a little bit of thatand we'll call it the Xenu Rum

(02:03:12):
Jumper.

Speaker 2 (02:03:13):
Well, we're not going to see it.
We don't go back and read thecomments.
That's why.

Speaker 1 (02:03:16):
I do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:17):
Oh, okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:19):
Well then tell me, I even answer questions in the
comments.
There's a lot of times peopleput they don't get them here and
I'll just go and like, oh yeah,I know the answer to that and
I'll just write the comments.

Speaker 2 (02:03:27):
Okay Chat.
I said comments, I mentionedcomments.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
Yeah, yeah, no, I know, I know, I was just
reaffirming that's what I got todeal with folks.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
You see what?

Speaker 1 (02:03:39):
I'm saying it's just like I can't win, I can't lose,
it's just like you know I'll doit.
You know I'll do it.
Let's do a giveaway.
I got all those questions.
I did a ton of questions thatweren't super chats or whatever
you call them, super stickers,and you know I'm an equal

(02:04:02):
opportunity chat answerer.
Ok, do we want to do?
We'll do a giveaway and thenwe'll wrap this, wrap this piggy
up.

Speaker 2 (02:04:08):
Yep and don't forget to get on over to Scientology
Stories, peeling the Onion in 56minutes for their live stream.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
Yeah, we've got.
Yeah, if you want to getsomething, get in there, get in
the comments.
I'm going to do a countdownhere.
We are definitely getting some.
Wait a minute, what time is it?
Oh yeah, no, I've caught up.
I have caught up.
It's just, it goes fast whenthere's 2000 people in here.
Okay, so we'll do a five, four,three, two and a big old.

(02:04:39):
Oh, wait a minute, I am behind.
Sorry guys, I got to catch up.
I had it.
There we go.
I'm back.
I'm back.
Here we go.
I got it.
It took me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
I know I was like we're not done with comments
either, honey.

Speaker 1 (02:04:57):
There's, johnny, there's a couple left.
No, there's.
Oh, there is one.
I saw that.
Okay, merch, for me 2D.

Speaker 2 (02:05:01):
Okay then.

Speaker 1 (02:05:01):
Rachel, Rachel, Rachel.
Send Claire an email atblownforgoodcom and you will get
some merch for your 2D.
And yeah, let's do this.
Last question.
Oh, it's John Satowski, theScientology cocktail.
No alcohol, you just drink theKool-Aid.

(02:05:23):
That's a great one.
That's a great drink.
We can make a drink recipes forthe people who like to do the
drinking games when we do a liveand we can say we can just give
the recipes of them and that'llbe the Scientology cocktails.

Speaker 2 (02:05:37):
Be like that way can participate too.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
That's right.
They can literally mix up.
Who's what?
Is it A Kool-Aid man, you know?
The guy busts through the wallthe giant jug of sugar water.
Thank you for that, johnSatowski.
John Satowski is a frequentflyer here.
I think I'm going to go out ona limb and say we haven't done a
live that he hasn't been on.

(02:06:02):
This seems like maybe he's anAI robot that just when we do a
live, he's got some littleprogram that goes in and then
does some super jazz.
I don't know how he could justbe on every single one that
we've ever done, and it doesseem interesting to me.
I wonder about this.
Thanks for tuning in today,guys.

(02:06:23):
I'm glad we could do this.
We're going to be recording abunch of other videos today that
are going to be coming out overthe next few weeks.
I am going on a work trip and Iwill be out for a few weeks, so
I'm going to try to crank outas many um lives and as many
pre-recorded videos before Itake off on that trip and um,

(02:06:44):
and I will not be bringing mywhole rig um to this hotel that
I'm going to be at because I'mit's a.
It's a short.
Uh, it's a lot of work thatwe've got to do in a short
amount of time and, um, I can'tbe messing around with videos
and doing other stuff.
So, um, we're going to try toget as much of that out.
Claire's still going to bearound.
She might do live, she might dowhatever, um, during that time

(02:07:04):
period.
But, uh, but, my days arenumbered and that is why we've
been doing less videos is justbecause we have so much work
happening in our, in our regularlives, not, um, yeah, I'm going
to be on a work trip for a fewdays, coming up here too.
Yeah, so we're busy, but we'regoing to be cranking out some
content and I just wanted toshow this last comment just

(02:07:25):
cause it's funny.
Loadsome squirrel, also knownas CO bilf, says people who say
merch after the giveaway is doneOur PTS.
People who say merch after thegiveaway is done are PTS.
That's a potential troublesource.

Speaker 2 (02:07:42):
Yeah, so they can head on over to the
spshop-forthwallcom and getthemselves a potential trouble
source sweatshirt.

Speaker 1 (02:07:45):
And I do have to say in those people who are PTS for
commenting, merch after, is thatsometimes, depending on the
connection and I know this to betrue because I've done it
myself is that sometimes thesecomments, if you're on a phone
in the middle of nowhere by thetime it gets up to the satellite
and then gets back down to aground station and then gets to

(02:08:07):
the internet and then makes itover to YouTube.
A minute or two has sometimespassed before it populates into
what we're seeing here.
So it's not alwaysinstantaneous, and that is one
of the reasons why I do thiswhole kind of preamble and do a
countdown is so that thosepeople can get to get their

(02:08:28):
comment up by the time we hit.
So anyway, so thank you forthat and thank you for the funny
comment.
Lonesome squirrel aka squirrelaka co bilf.
I think that's it.
Did I forget anything?
Did we cover everything weneeded to cover?
We?

Speaker 2 (02:08:43):
covered everything.

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