Scientology's Alien Beliefs: Xenu, Galactic Federation, & the Secrets of the Sea Org with a Humorous Twist Scientology Q&A #43

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This episode originally aired on YouTube on December 15th 2024.

Ever wondered why Earth might just be the universe's ultimate "prison planet"? Join me and my wife for an entertaining exploration as we unravel the fantastical alien narratives buried within Scientology's secretive doctrines. We tackle everything from the notorious Xenu and his Galactic Federation antics to the quirky rules against "coffee shop auditing." Our lively Q&A session spills the juicy details you've been curious about, all while fielding your burning questions about the religion's alien connections.

Brace yourself for some eyebrow-raising anecdotes and humorous insights as we dissect Hubbard's sci-fi influence on Scientology. From spaceships resembling DC-10s to the curious concept of "body thetans" supposedly haunting our bodies, we leave no stone unturned. And yes, we even speculate on how Tom Cruise's deep dive into Scientology might have influenced his film career—who knew exorcising space aliens could be part of a leading man's repertoire?

Finally, we pull back the curtain on the organization's mysterious Sea Org and explore the whimsical lore of the Loyal Officers, all while sharing our own experiences, like that unforgettable trip to a New Mexico vault. Whether it's the eccentricities of Hubbard's final days or the oddities within the church's practices, we deliver a ride through Scientology's hidden secrets that's as enlightening as it is entertaining. Don't miss this one-of-a-kind episode that dares to question the logic behind one of the world's most controversial belief systems!

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Q&A.
We're going to do this live andwe are going to bring in my
lovely wife here.
I've got everything switchedaround there.
There she is.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Howdy hey.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I got to move back a little bit.
I'm like creeping into yourshot here.
Yeah, thanks for tuning inagain.
Guys, we're going to do alittle bit different today.
We've got a whole bunch ofthings we're trying to get to
you and, as usual, we are goingto have a giveaway at the end of
this video.
We are also going to give away,do all the giveaways for the

(00:56):
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(01:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:39):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
And then, yeah, what else do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:44):
We've got to do some um, some shout outs before yeah,
I marked a bunch of wherepeople are joining us from okay
you want me to read them?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
pull them up, sure oh , this person wanted to enter
into the uh socky sock face.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Good to see you here, Socky.
Does this multiply my entries?
It does not.
Just one entry will be justdandy.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Yeah, oh, I see, here , you got starred ones.
I just pulled up the very firstone that came up.
I didn't realize it wasn'tstarred.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
No worries, all right , bok Buddy.
Turns out the aliens only useVisa for commerce.
Ever since the Scientologychase wave fiasco, the cult
cults.
Coffers aren't able to beincreased.
Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
Okay, okay, is that what you were starring?
I'm confused.
Oh, here we go, here we go,yeah, I didn't Trevon on.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Good evening from the Netherlands.
Good evening Trev.
Thanks for being here.
Thanks for joining us, mb.
Hello from Washington State,nice.
Oh, socky McSockface is fromCheshire, uk Scientology Audit,
ottawa.
Hi, mark and Claire from Ottawa.

(02:59):
Nice to see you, xenu.
Okay, so that's a typo thatwill not get you entered into
the contest.
Just FYI, zinu Tuna 3120.
Hello from New Hampshire.
Hello.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
Nice, yeah, okay, we will.
We are going to do a.
So the way we'll do it today iswe're going to talk about
Scientology and the aliens,because that's a key thing for
us to cover, sure, and um,people want to know, people want
to know what's up withscientology and the aliens.
Um, and then, um, as soon aswe're done, uh, talking about

(03:36):
the aliens, we're going to askyou guys about, uh, what, what's
your uh theory on this?
What do you think?
Uh, we're going to ask for your, uh, for your opinions and your
ideas on what's up with thealiens and Scientology.
And, and, if you have questionsabout them, then we will, we'll
answer.
We're trying to answer thosequestions as much as possible.

(03:56):
Trevor Nunn says oops, anyway.
So so, yeah, this is live, weare live, yes, anyway so yeah,
this is live.
We are live, yes.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
And thanks to everyone who stuck with us after
our little audio debacle lastweek.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Last week we had this nightmare with the audio.
We never did actually reallyfigure out where it came from,
so there was definitely someaudio body things.
I don't know what.
I don't know what happened, butbut we, we cleaned up all
everything in here and we we gotsome new equipment and so
hopefully everything is soundingand looking great and and, yeah

(04:35):
, we can get, we can be donewith all the, with all the
nightmares on that stuff.
Okay, you ready?
Yeah, before we talk about thealiens, we should just bring up
that when we were in the Sea.
Okay, you have to get up towhat's called operating Thetan
level three, and everything fromthree up is all you.

(05:13):
You know you're you're talkingabout and you're dealing with
aliens.
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yep, that's right.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Now Claire she.
She got up to past OT three, soshe knows all about the aliens.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yep, I do, but we never talked about it because
that was strictly forbidden.
You can never have aconversation as a Scientologist
about where you're like hey,what do you think about OT3?
Are you buying into the wholeXenu story or what's your
thoughts?
No, that's strictly forbidden.
You would be ousted in aheartbeat to have that

(05:49):
conversation.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yeah, they don't let you.
You're not allowed to talkabout what they call in
Scientology your case.
So anything you do in auditingor counseling or you know when
they're asking you the questionson the e-meter, you're not able
to talk about that with anotherScientologist or even another
person.
It's not allowed in Scientology.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Yeah, in fact Hubbard calls it coffee shop auditing,
to compare notes with otherScientologists about where
you're at, what your thoughtsare, you know?
I mean, hey, the wholeindoctrination thing depends on
not comparing notes, right?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah, and you know, somebody just made a really
great comment and I want to putthis up here.
It says Beck, big brother fan.
Becky, big brother fan.
Sorry, that looked like anexclam to me, becky.
Anyway, question was itdifficult to decipher LRH's
handwriting?
So LRH, for any of you newviewers, is L Ron Hubbard, the

(06:47):
creator and the inventor ofScientology.
And the funny thing about thehandwriting thing is that in
Scientology there's a lot ofvideos and there's a lot of
writings where L Ron Hubbardwanted his original handwriting
to be the thing that peoplewould be reading.
So if you're a Scientologist,you have most likely read

(07:10):
hundreds of pages or at least abook or an essay or something
that L Ron Hubbard had writtenin his handwriting so you can
read.
Any Scientologist can read andrecognize L Ron Hubbard's
handwriting because it's in alot of different things and so
it's funny, it wasn't?

(07:31):
It's not really difficult todecipher after you've read it
for so many times, right?
Am I wrong about?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
that?
No, not at all.
It's.
Yes, it's a very distinctivehandwriting, but when you've
read, like you said, hundreds ofyou know yeah read it for years
, over and over.
I mean, you know, yeah, soyou're used to it.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
So, when we show you some of the things we're going
to show you today, we're goingto show you L Ron Hubbard's
original handwriting where hetalks about the Xenu.
Where he talks about the Xenuand because, whether you I don't
know whether the people thathave never been in Scientology
that are watching this now,there are a lot of
Scientologists that watch thischannel, okay, and we know this

(08:16):
because we hear from them andthey reach out to us and they
tell us things.
And in Scientology, no one isallowed to talk about the aliens
.
You're not allowed to.
It's just not something you'reallowed to do.
So, even though everybody who'sbeen up past this ot level

(08:37):
three and above, they all knowabout the aliens, but no one's
allowed to talk about it, andit's a crazy, crazy thing yep
and um and what's even I wasjust thinking about this the
other day in in the seaorganization.
Um, almost all of the peoplethat are like movers and shakers
and doing stuff like peoplethat are hot shot producers are

(09:00):
making something they don't knowabout the aliens right the only
people that know about thealiens are the executives in the
sea org and almost all of theexecutives in the sea organ in
scientology.
I would say, yeah, pretty muchtwo of one.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
They all know about the aliens yep there's not, I
mean it was a requirement to bea top executive is that you have
to be, you know, on the upperlevels, and that's how I ended
up.
Getting up to ot5 was shellymiscavige, told me, hey, you
have until you have three monthsand if you don't get to this
level you're out of rtc, whichobviously would have had

(09:42):
consequences, and and so, yeah,that's kind of what accelerated
the need for me to do the OTlevels, because it's not common
for Sea Org members to doauditing, counseling, all of
that, because they're, you know,first of all, working, often
not sleeping, and, second of all, it's just not priority.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, that's why I didn't do any of it.
I was doing, I was gettingstuff done.
I didn't have time to learnabout no aliens Anyway.
So this is a key thing thatpeople have to understand is
that even though Scientologistsbelieve in aliens and that is
the reason why there's all theseproblems they're not allowed to

(10:25):
talk about it with otherScientologists.
And then the people a lot oftimes the people that are in
Scientology public relationspositions or something like that
.
They 100% know about the aliensbut they're not allowed to say
anything because it's asuppressive act to discuss the,

(10:45):
the confidential operatingThetan levels.
It is a so you will.
If you in Scientology, if youtalk about the aliens, you will
be declared what's called an SPor a suppressive person.
So so that that's the.
That's kind of the lay of theland on how this works.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, and to be clear , just to comment on it, it's
not that I mean.
Sure there's plenty of peoplethat have crazy beliefs, but the
point is that A don't pretendthat Scientology is not
requiring somebody to paymillions of dollars to even
learn that A.
B don't pretend you're not anabusive organization that

(11:28):
destroys people's lives.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, we don't care.
We're not here to challenge anyof this.
It is what it is.
They're going to do.
Whatever they're going to do,we're just telling you this is
how it is and this is what theybelieve.
That is the number one questionabout Scientology is what do
they believe?
And if you ask Scientology,they ain't going to tell you.

(11:52):
So we as so, as somebody whoproduced materials and films and
videos and e-meters and audiovisual systems for Scientology,
I know all about the workings ofScientology and how these
things go, and also the systemsarea that made all the AV
systems was next to the OTmaterials production place where

(12:16):
they made all the OT materials.
So when I was working at theinternational headquarters, I
would see all of these peoplewho knew about this great
technology.
That was confidential and theywere like they weren't the rock
stars of the place.
I'll just tell you that rightnow, in almost every case, these
people had been busted orkicked off of their post or

(12:39):
kicked out of the seaorganization that they were in
and they were busted down toGolden Arrow Productions Golden
Arrow Productions, even thoughit's at an international level
of picked out of the seaorganization that they were in
and they were busted down togolden air productions.
Golden air productions eventhough it's at an international
level of Scientologyorganizations, it's the lowest
of those.
So usually if you get taken offa post in religious technology
center or CST or management, youget busted into golden air

(13:03):
productions, or management, youget busted into golden era
productions.
Is that accurate?

Speaker 2 (13:08):
yep, perfect, okay guys we're getting some great
questions, by the way perfect.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
I'm working on marking them yep okay, so don't
forget, we got um xenu hashtagxenu.
If you want to enter somethingin, let's get into the aliens.
Okay, so this is um.
This is one of the documentsthat you read on OT3.
That's right.
Is this?
Is this?
Is this one of those things?

Speaker 2 (13:30):
Yeah, which, by the way, funny story.
Yeah, in religious technologycenter they have the reports
officer, so that's like anyonewho has any complaint with
pretty much anybody at any levelof Scientology can write into
the reports officer at ReligiousTechnology Center.
Well, some people would oftensend a copy of that handwritten

(13:54):
Hubbard writing of OT3 to thereports officer, who, by the way
, was not OT.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
No.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
She wasn't even clear .
The way was not ot.
No, she wasn't even clear.
And warren mcshane?
The legal guy in rtc yeah, who,as we know, is an expert liar
yeah to form told her oh no,that's a squirrel version of ot3
.
That's not the real thing.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
They've tampered with it and yet it's in hubbard's
handwriting you're like come onnow that's so wild, um, okay, so
let's get back to it.
Okay, so this is where L RonHubbard explains that there was
a galactic federation and thehead of this galactic federation

(14:37):
it was 76 planets around largerstars visible from here, around
larger stars visible from here,um, and they had, um.
It says they had, 95 millionyears ago, very space opera
solved over population and whatthey had was they had 250

(14:57):
billion or so per planet.
You're talking, remember we hadthere was 76 planets or I can't
tell if that's a five or a six,it looks like a six to me 76
planets and they had $250billion or so per planet, $178
billion on average.
I love how he says they hadthis much and then he totally

(15:18):
changes it to an average that'sway lower.
By mass implanting, he causedpeople to be brought to TGAC,
okay, and TGAC is earth.
This is L Ron Hubbard's writing.
Guys, and somebody said thatthe sound is cutting out.
I think they're.
I hope they better.
They better be trolling usright now, okay.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Mark's a little sensitive.
Yeah, sensitive on the audio,the audio stuff anyway, we don't
need any audio bts anyway.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
So he solved overpopulation by mass
implanting.
He moved the people, he causedthe people to be brought to tgx,
which is earth, and he put an hbombs in volcanoes and then he
blew them up.
Okay, and this is a.
This is this whole thing in anutshell.
Okay, so there was a bunch ofwhen those people, those aliens,

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cause they're from one of these76 planets and they're talking
about bringing billions andbillions of these people to
earth.
Okay, so that's very key lateron in this whole thing.
Anyway, so he brings all thosethings to earth.
Okay, so that's very key lateron in this whole thing.
Anyway, so he brings all thosethings to earth and then he puts
them in volcanoes and blowsthem up.
And then they built thesethings that were like soul

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catchers in the sky to catch thealiens as they were coming out
of the volcanoes, and then theycaptured them and then they
showed them videos of Christ andthe man on the cross and
religions and all thesedifferent things.
Ok, so this is what this is andthis is written by Herbert.

(16:53):
Ok, so now let's just go throughthis a little bit, guys,
because this is this is whatScientologists believe.
They believe that there wereall these other planets and they
had 250 billion or 178 billionpeople average on all these
different planets.
Okay, and they believe thatthis guy, this alien overlord,

(17:16):
he rounded all these guys up andthen they sent them to earth
and they did so using all theseplanes.
Okay, that looked like DC tensand it says that in the Hubbard
thing that they look, they looklike planes with jet engines on
them.
Okay, which is wild.
And air Xenu, I made these.

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These are all generated byGronk.
I have a good time making Xu uhart on the internet for these
videos yeah, especially whenyou're having trouble sleeping.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
I'll wake up the next morning and be like oh my gosh,
I've got some really funnythings to show you like.
Oh my goodness, how, how, how,how late did you stay up?

Speaker 1 (18:01):
anyway.
So he brings all these people,they drop them in volcanoes.
And then when they dropped himin volcanoes, they had these
little orbs, these little soulsthat came out, and then they
gathered those up, they get,went around with all their
little sweepers and um, and theywent and they got all these
things.
And then when they programmedthem the things oh there, it is

(18:23):
there, they're all getting keptand programmed them and they
taught them all these spacealiens.
They taught them and showedthem videos and programmed them
to believe all these thingsabout religion and the man on
the cross and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Japan of Green Gable says who has better service Air
Xenu or Spirit Airlines?
Japan of Green Gable says who?

Speaker 1 (18:45):
has better service?
Air Xenu or Spirit Airlines?
Well, air Xenu, he was moving alot of bodies.
Yeah, Okay, we're talkingbillions and billions.
This is another thing that'swild about these stories, is
that they?
Why would they bring them hereof all places?

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Right, well, you know , I mean.
It was nine light years, it'snot like somebody's gonna audit
the story, but it's like ninelight years.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
They couldn't find another place to dump some stuff
.
Right, it's like they were justlooking for a trash planet to
like, just drop some yeah, well,that's why hubbard calls planet
earth the prison planet.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's why he says many times prison planet.
Yeah, that's why that's true.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's why he says many times prison planet.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Okay, anyway.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
He wasn't.
I guess he wasn't counting onspace travel coming around
anytime soon.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
He brings, so he brings these guys here.
Now these guys are the loyalofficers, okay, and they are
basically they are the police ofthe Galactic Federation, okay,
and they went and they basicallywere tasked with rounding Xenu

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up for doing all this.
Now this is the part where Idon't exactly understand,
because if he was solvingoverpopulation by doing this,
and now he, I don't understandwhy he's in trouble with these
guys.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Well, because he was enslaving all these millions of
beings.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Well, I know, but he was just relocating them to
another planet.
Well, and also like programmingthem, maybe dropping them in
the volcanoes wasn't that cooleither.
No, no, okay.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
So then and then like implanting them with you know,
any form of religion is just acontrol mechanism and you're,
you're stuck here and this isyour.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
you're banished for several, several gazillion years
, I mean somebody who's talkingabout the gender equality of the
loyal officers, you know.
Yeah, good point, I know, I justasked for a profile, you know a
shot of them, and that's what Igot.
I don't know, maybe there'sjust not that many.
I'm not even going to get intothis.

(20:52):
This is going to, I'm going to,we're going to go down a rabbit
hole anyway.
So they put, they lock, theyfind, they track Zito down, ok,
and they lock him up in amountain OK, and this is all in
Hubbard's writing.
Ok, they lock him up in amountain, okay, and this is all
in hubbard's writing.
Okay, they lock him up in amountain and they use
electricity to to electrify,like force fields or some, some,

(21:13):
some such stuff, to electrifythe, the gates or the bars of
the, the cell that xenu's inthis mountain, that he's in um
and then um, and we don't knowif some people suspect he might
still be there and he's justlike chilling.
We don't know.
We don't know about that, buthe doesn't seem to be too happy
about the project.

(21:34):
And also, it has been rumoredthat within the last few hundred
years, the batteries orwhatever was running his cell
may have drained or not,allegedly, I don't know.
Okay, so, but now fast forwardto today.
There's all these space aliensand in Scientology and in these

(21:56):
Hubbard writings.
He calls these body Thetans,and I wanted to talk about this
for a second with you.
Body thetans and I wanted totalk about this for a second
with you because this is anotherthing that Scientologists is.
A way Scientology kind of makespeople believe that it's not
real or it's not accurate ifthey hear about body thetans is

(22:17):
because in all of theScientology that you learn about
before OT3, hubbard talks a lotabout thetans, right, and
that's how the soul, a person'ssoul, is described as a, as a

(22:37):
thetan.
They just call it a thetan.
A person's soul is their ownthetan, but they don't call it a
body thetan.
No, they just call it a thetanby itself, right, which is which
is pretty judgmental when youget to whatever levels anyway
and, but no the way that.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
The way that hubbard describes it is you have your,
your, your body, and you haveyour soul, but in scientology
that's a thetan.
So they'll say close your eyes.
Think of a cat who's looking atthe cat.
It's obviously not your body.
Look your eyeballs looking atyour at the cat it's you.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
Because you have your eyes closed.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Anyway.
So when a Scientologist seesbody Thetans, they don't always
it's just a.
It's just a bit off because henever says body thetan, he just
says thetan.
And there was a few things inDianetics and in other
Scientology writings whereHubbard did mix up the
definition of a thetan.

(23:39):
He described it differently andit meant something a little
different.
And then later on when you findout about the body things, you
realize there's just differentkinds of things, basically so,
um, so this is key forScientologists that are watching
this.
Yes, he doesn't talk about bodythings until OT three, and one
of those reasons is thatScientology has gone through all

(24:01):
of his writings and all of hisrecordings and they've gone back
and they've edited anything outof those that cause any
confusion or give somebody theidea that you could find out
about these before you find outabout them.
And then they've moved allthose materials to the upper
levels.
So they've basically sorted allof Hubbard's nonsense so that

(24:22):
you don't learn about somethingbefore you're supposed to based
on.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
And before you've paid for it.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Yeah, pretty much before you, before you've given
them a check for all the spacealien stuff.
Oh yeah, and that's anothercrazy thing.
They just had this big event.
If you go to Tony Ortegaunderground bunker, they just
had an event in England wherethey gave out all these trophies
for all these people, and thesepeople have donated tens and

(24:50):
tens of millions of dollars, andmost of those people they pay,
they basically Scientology hasgot a really good way of vetting
who's got dough, because to getto the upper levels you've got
to have a few million bucks.

(25:10):
If you're a family, to get youand your wife all the way to OT8
, which is what they'recurrently up to it could easily
cost a million or so bucks, andso the faster you're able to do
that, they know you've got theresources.
And so then they start hittingyou up for 10 million donation
or a $5 million donation or a$500,000 donation, and they

(25:32):
basically have these just statuslevels that you can donate to,
and if you donate over a certainlevel then you get to meet the
big guy, fake Navy Davey, okay,david Miscavige, and so if you
get to meet David Miscavige,that's a big deal.
So there's sort of like a builtin guarantee that if you give a

(25:54):
certain a million amount ofdollars, you will get to take a
picture with fake Navy Davey.
And then this thing, antonioOrtega's site, it's got all
these pictures with fake NavyDavey.
So you go like, oh yeah, thisis, and he's only doing those
top level dudes.
He's not in there with theriffraff that are only given
500,000 or 250 K.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
No, he, you gotta, you gotta, there's gotta be a
million after that Clara saidthose are some expensive meet
and greet tickets.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
They really are.
No, it's a big thing inScientology Now they don't even
make any money off of delivering.
I mean they make some, but theamount of money that when we
were in came from auditing andcounseling, that's where they
made their money, and all ofthat happened in Florida and

(26:44):
Clearwater makes a milliondollars a week, and all of
Scientology's organizationsaround the world combined don't
make a million in a week Right.
So Flag made more than everybodyelse.
I think the Sea Org AOs mighthave been excluded from that
calculation, just the regularorganizations, like there's an

(27:08):
AO in Los Angeles that doesupper level stuff and there's
one in UK and there's one inAfrica and there's one in EU, in
Denmark, in Copenhagen, johnBonnage that's the street that
that place is on, anyway.
So those guys at Flag aremaking all the money.
Now David Miscavige is getting$10 million from a donor and

(27:33):
that replaces all of thenonsense they have to do in
Scientology.
So now it's just a pay toupgrade club.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah, and it is.
To me it's a huge balance sheetstrategy, because when they
collect money for services orfor courses, it goes on their
books as a liability, whereasthe IAS, you know, the donations
just flood in.
And I'm pretty sure even in theearly days Hubbard had said not
to collect donations.

(28:02):
Oh yeah, it was not.
That was not supposed to.
That was a strategy Miscavigeimplemented.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
So yeah, oh yeah, here we go.
Catherine Olson, this issomebody that just recently
she's the one of the most recentescapees of the sea
organization.
She said flag, which is theplace in Clearwater, went from
making a million a week to lessthan 200 K.
After the chase wave they weregetting 800 K of that, was it?

(28:29):
See?
This is another thing when wewere thank you, catherine, we
appreciate that.
Yeah, excuse me, when we werein the C organization, there was
a time when and right before weleft, actually in the early
2000s Scientology had $1 billionin money that they had received

(28:55):
for auditing or counseling orstudies or something that
Scientology needed to dosomething to give that person.
They had a billion dollars inwhat's called advanced payments
and that was in 2005.
I cannot imagine what nonsensethey've been up to since then.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, and obviously we know many things from behind
the scenes of working withpeople through the Aftermath
Foundation.
But even just in recent weeksthere we've helped people get
tens of thousands of dollarsback that were charged illegally
.
So we're keeping very closetabs on these things and they're
not going unreported.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yes, okay, so back to our space cooties.
Okay, so we got body Thetans,okay, aka, aka, space aliens.
And in present day,scientologists believe that
these space aliens areeverywhere and each person has

(30:03):
hundreds of thousands of thesethings that are basically living
rent-free in our bodies, in ourpersons, and that's why they're
called body thetans.
Now, some people could explainthese as microbes or germs or
all kinds of things, becausethat's essentially what they are

(30:26):
equivalent to.
In this world of Scientology,you can't see them unless you're
on these upper levels, or youcan't locate them if you're not
one of these upper levelScientologists that know, and
that's the thing you learn OnOT3, you learn about the aliens
and then, as you go up thelevels and you go to OT4 and OT5

(30:49):
and OT6, you basically learnhow to locate and evict the
aliens, and you have to alsoaudit the aliens.
You have to use Scientologycounseling on the eight Am I, am
I?
Am I smoking the duty or isthis right?
Am I explaining this right?
you are okay, this is.
This is not made up, guys, thisis the real thing that they

(31:11):
have in scientology.
Okay, so once you learn how toevict the aliens, you have to do
so on a weekly and consistentbasis well, no, it's, it's daily
like daily daily.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It's oh, because ot1 to 3 is is referred to as a, the
non-interference zone, so youhave to audit every day, no
matter what, and b it'sobviously ot3 is the wall of
fire, as it's referred to,meaning you're you again.
You have to audit every singleday, and by the time you get to

(31:48):
ot7, I think they're requiringlike four to five times a day or
five times a day.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
You have to do a session for it.
That's why they're doing theselike 20 minute little sessions
yes okay.
So you got to do this.
You got to do this alienexorcism where you could be
getting rid of 50 space cooties.
You could be getting rid of50,000.
You've got to do this every dayand so that's on.
Really, when you get into thebig time, just mass space cootie

(32:18):
evictions is on OT7.
And on OT7, they have theirmaterials that what they're
writing down about the spacecooties, they have to write up
how you know got rid of thesespace cooties.
They have to write up how youknow got rid of these space
cooties, got rid of these guys.
They got to write all this upand they got to put it in a
briefcase.
And scientologists wear ahandcuff around their wrist and
they handcuffed one of theselittle halliburton because

(32:40):
that's not creepy yeah,halliburton, briefcase around
their wrist handcuffed, and it'sgot to have a combo on it.
And yeah, so this is what.
If you're on OT seven or above,this is what you're doing and
you're getting rid of thesespace cooties.

(33:00):
Now, who?
That's what?
That's what it is.
This is this.
Again, these are all imagesgenerated by the, by Grok on X,
and yeah, so you've got likemovie stars.
There's a big movie star.
His name's Tom Cruise.
He was on OT seven when I leftin 2005,.

(33:21):
Either OT eight or or OT seven,right?

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yeah, no, he had.
He had just finished OT seven,right before we we left.
So yeah, it makes me wonder.
Like what does David Miscavigetell his buddy Tom Cruise?
Like, so it's been now you knowwhat, almost 20 years since he
finished OT eight?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Well, this is the thing I got to tell you, guys.
You're never going to believethis.
This, this matches up with mytheory.
I did not know what she wassaying.
Okay, I didn't know she wasgoing to say that because I
didn't know the exact timing.
Do you know Tom Cruise starteddoing some space alien movies?
Do you know when he starteddoing space alien movies?

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Let me guess 2005.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
In 2005,.
War of the Worlds came out.
I think Tom Cruise has justbeen workshopping ways to get
rid of aliens.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
I thought War of the Worlds was like earlier than
that.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
No 2005.
You guys can Google food, geton the gobbledygook machine and
see if you guys can say whenthat thing came out.
But either way, I think thattom cruise has been working
workshop and how to get rid ofaliens.
He did that, uh, he did worldof worlds and they killed them
all in world of worlds.
They wiped out all those aliens, yeah, so that's one way.

(34:40):
I'm just saying he's thinkingbig like.
He's like I've got a wholeworld.
We could like workshop thesewith everybody okay, fair enough
.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Edge of Tomorrow did it have aliens in it?

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Absolutely it had aliens in it.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I may have dozed off.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
He killed them every day, over and over and over and
over again.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
That's right, he was just killing aliens nonstop.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
And then he was in that other one, the one where
the AI aliens replaced.
They cloned the humans.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Oblivion.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Telling you guys.
And then he's the most famousScientologist and he is on a
rampage with getting rid ofaliens.
And this is the thing where Ithink, see, now we've got all
these aliens, They've beenevicted, they're, they're all I
mean, you're they're getting ridof 10 000 a day.

(35:34):
They're not killing them.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
As far as I've been able, to understand right, we're
not killing the aliens.
No, in fact, very often um I'veheard ot um scientologists
refer to as like them gettingrid of their body.
Thetans is what's contributingto the increase in population on
earth guys.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
This is real.
Okay, anyway, they're gettingrid of the aliens and the aliens
got nowhere to go.
They're jumping on other people.
Okay, I don't know why I've gota picture of the of the loyal
officers in here.
I don't know where that camefrom, but the Sea Org is
basically they think they aredescendants of the loyal
officers.
Okay, and even when Hubbarddied and there were two Sea Org

(36:19):
members that were with him thatwere taking care of him Hubbard
or they, we don't, nobody knows.
Really, there's a lot offolklore around this.
I wish I knew somebody whoactually knew and you know what.
To be fair, janice and markfisher probably know, but pat
broker wrote an issue, basicallyon behalf of l run hubbard,

(36:40):
saying that pat broker and anniebroker were assigned the status
of loyal officers.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Okay, and then David Miscavige canceled that and
declared them and Pat Brokerescaped with a truck full of
cash, yeah, and Annie Broker wasintercepted and she was kept
there until her death.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
You know, a few years ago, several years ago, but
regardless, scientologists- and,by the way side comment, that's
always where it gets a littlemurky like they were loyal
officers and yet the loyalofficers were the bad guys.
So are they the bad guys or arethey the good guys?
It's just contradictory yeahdon't don't ask too many
questions, I guess, is the moralof the story yeah, this whole

(37:26):
the sea orc is basically just aplaything.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
These are just scientologists cosplaying as, uh
, police.
Okay, um, let's see.
Okay, so you got, you got yourc-org.
They're protecting all the otlevels and they put them in
vaults.
And this is a real thing.
Before hubbard died, he saidyou got to round up all these ot

(37:48):
materials and you got to putthem in mountains, because we
know that's where.
If you want to keep somethingsafe, you put it inside of a
mountain.
That's what they did with xenuand that worked this whole time
yeah that that vault is veryreminiscent of silo, by the way.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
silo, the tv TV show, it's really good.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Dr D rail over here.
Okay, so we've got the loyalofficers.
They're putting stuff inmountains, they're Sea Org
members and they have these allover.
They have them in New Mexico,they have them in Washington,
california, is that it?
Did?
I name them all.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
I've been to one of them.
I've been to New Mexico.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
I've been to one of them.
I've been to one.
Oh, you said New Mexico, I'vebeen to the one in Tremontina.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
I actually went there with John Sweeney from the BBC
back in the day.
Do you have that footage, bythe way?
I do, actually, we should do anepisode on that.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
We should do it Because I recorded the entire
trip there and the entire tripback, and John actually wrote a
book called the book of fearchurch of fear church of fear,
the book of fear, the church offear and in that to be confused
with the book of Mormon right.
And he in that he explains thiswhole the whole trip we did and
we actually got followed by PIsand it was a whole bunch of

(38:59):
crazy stuff that happened, butwe should definitely do a video
about that Meanwhile I stayedhome with our young children and
prayed for your safe return.
Anyway, we've got some surpriseTremontina stuff at the end of
this video too, which I is themost amazing thing I've seen in
a long time, and I I gotquestions, but okay, so you got
all these Sea Org members allover the place.

(39:20):
Now I think the Sea Org shouldhave made a deal with Xenu.
That's what I think.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Yeah, because if he's able to get, if he's able to
like basically have, he'scapable of international space,
interdimensional, interspatialtransport, that guy we should be
friends with.
I don't think we should bemessing with him.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Yeah like, why try to recruit Earth people?
Earthlings for a plane, justsaying If Sea Org could have
with him.
Yeah like why.
Why try to recruit?

Speaker 1 (39:49):
earth, people, anyway , things from just saying you
see, or could have done that,that would have been a
partnership, they could haveworked this out.
I don't want to be around whenthe aliens show up, um, because
if they do show up erzunu andall those guys you know the
first place they're going toright boom, scientology.
That's the.
I guarantee you that's thefirst stop on their list.
They're not going to go to theWhite House or some big building

(40:10):
down, they're going to go rightto Scientology in Clearwater or
in LA and they're going to getScientology is going to get a
talk, and do I think that's ourlast thing?
Okay, so questions?
Okay, let's take your questions.
Did you star anything?

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I did.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Okay, we're going to do it.
Blown for good says we're goingto have a fun show Everybody
today we are.
Yeah, I did write that.
I did think that that's a JapanGreen game.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
I thought I'm reading the questions.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
You are.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Okay, great Japan of green gables, you gables, you're
being glib, love food kitchen.
You're being glib tom cruise.
There you go, okay, uh, lovefood kitchen.
Is purple tea, fella mark abs.
Answer to michael jackson noselooks a little unique, like he's
been enjoying a bit too much ofthe old markabian marching

(41:01):
powder and needs reconstructivesurgery and alien booger sugar.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Um, I don't know.
I think she's talking about thethumbnail.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
I think whoever that is is talking about the
thumbnail yes um, for the videowhich I've been getting very uh,
I'm having a great time with bythe way, yeah, allison piano
singing we don't talk about xenuin my head to the tune of we
don't talk about bruno, lolwe're not talking about xenon
exactly um, yeah, they cannottalk about xenon, but we can.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
We can talk about xenon all we want yep, exactly
agt mom.

Speaker 2 (41:36):
I am running to my computer.
I have been compiling a list ofquestions.
I have so many questions aboutthe thetans and aliens.
Well, if maybe just pop any anyquestions in the chat in case I
missed them while we wererunning through all those fun ai
images.
Sake mcsockface as a religion?
Do scientologists have anybeliefs on what happens when we
die, as most religions have thisdown before they claim aliens?

(42:00):
Yes, absolutely, scientologybelieves that as a thetan, when
you, when your body dies, youthen go and get a new body.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
It's different than reincarnation, just it's a
scientology version of that yeah, they actually have a thing an
end of life assist inscientology.
Is that what it's called?

Speaker 2 (42:22):
it's, it's a drop the body assist.
I understand they have some,they have a nice word for it.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
I think it's called the end of life resist assist,
where they tell you to go findanother body in that thing.
They tell you when you're dying, hey, go do this, go find,
cause you're already in thehospital.
There's going to be one born onthe second floor.
Just go down there and get one.
That's what they tell you.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
That's what okay, daniel sander.
Thank you for the super chat.
Xenu might be listening.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
There you go yeah, see, we don't care about xenu.
We, we, we're cool with xenu.
Whatever he wants to do, I'mcool with it.
I don't know what hubbard said.
I don't know if he did that ornot.
I wasn't there.
Um.
So, xenu, if you're listening,you know we haven't talked in a
while, but if you're listening,no hard feelings.

(43:15):
We're still good, man, we'restill good.
We're trying to.
We're trying to tattle on theScientologists and get them to
stop being up to nonsense.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
Mm, hmm.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
OK, so we did that one yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, hogsbelly question Are there any
Scientology courses outside ofthe OT materials that mentions
Dempeski aliens?
I think we covered that, butthey very carefully
recategorized any materials thattalked about body things and
also clusters and anything thatwas part of that body of

(43:45):
material.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Yeah, In the early days, hubbard kind of was all
over the place when he wastalking about this stuff and
sometimes he let slip somethingthat he was going to release
later or earlier or whatever.
And then it would be they wouldScientology would just edit
that and make it in the rightplace.
So they would move thosematerials.
Like there's a there's alecture that he gives on the

(44:09):
class eight course and there's alecture, there's lectures that
he gave on the class 12 course.
These are classes, are levelsof uh training for auditors, and
if you're a different, ifyou're at a certain class, you
can deliver certain operatingphaeton levels and you have to
be at different classes todeliver different levels.
And on those lecture there's alecture that he gives to a bunch

(44:33):
of people where he does talkabout some of this alien stuff
and they move those lectures tothose courses where you're able
to learn about uh doing thespace aliens goody stuff yeah,
what was the um, the screenplayor the book that covered the
whole ot3 story?

Speaker 2 (44:49):
do you remember the name of that something?
The?

Speaker 1 (44:51):
stars into the stars or mission into the stars.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
I think it's called into the stars, yeah, something
like that.
But either way, that coveredthe whole story, that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:02):
So that is another good point.
There is a book that Hubbardwrote or a screenplay that he
wrote.
He Hubbard was a sci-fi fanOkay, if you didn't figure that
out by now, and he wanted tomake a sci-fi fan.
Okay, if you didn't figure thatout by now, and he wanted to
make a sci-fi movie, and so herevolted in the stars.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yes, that was it?

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Chat is on fire today .
Yes, in the know, anyway.

Speaker 2 (45:27):
Catherine says to the stars I think it's, I think
it's 100% revolt in the stars,because any broker had a copy of
that.
Right.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
And she gave it to us .

Speaker 2 (45:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
And we thought it was a movie or we thought it was a
story.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
It was and it was supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
And then somebody said, oh yeah, no, that's true,
that's a good OT three, that'swhat OT three is about.
And I was like no way, and Inever believed it.
I thought that would be crazy.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Because you know, and of course you would never ask
me, your wife to commit asuppressive act of telling you
is this for real?

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Well, that's the thing in Scientology, if I.
If so I read this revolt in thestars thing, I thought this is
just a cheesy science fictionthing, and Hubbard wrote tons of
that stuff.
So it it's.
It was the same as that otherstuff.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
mission earth battlefield earth, final
blackout.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
All these in brigade yeah, he wrote a bunch of
fiction so I pedrito anyway.
So when he, when, when you'rereading this, if you read
mission earth or battlefieldearth, it's just more of the
same.
So, um, anyway.
But if I would have gone toclaire and said, hey, do you
know what body thetans are?
Or have you heard of this catnamed xenu who's like jacking up

(46:39):
stuff, um, I could have gottenbig trouble.
Um, okay, let's keep going yeah, uh.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
and, by the way, anthony spurgeon asked a good
question why would he want tomake an ot3 movie if it's top
secret?
You know you can't insert logicinto, into a lot of this, but
it's a good question.
Okay, japan.
A green Gables question Aremost Scientologists familiar
with Hubbard's handwritingbefore they get to OT three?
Yes, very definitely.
I think we covered that.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, we kind of.
We kind of covered that,because you see all these
handwriting things, so when yousee it you know that's his
handwriting.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, and even many of his famous quotes he had, you
know, were handwritten andframed and with pictures of him.
Oh, that's a great point Allover the organization in
Scientology.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
They have L Ron Hubbard's handwriting, and his
signature is on everything.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
So there's posters and there's pictures and there's
handwritten things.
So yeah, you really do on adaily basis.
If you're in a Scientologyorganization, you're seeing
pictures of Hubbard'shandwriting.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
Yeah, which I wonder if that's still the case to this
day, since David Miscavige hasbeen systematically removing
Hubbard's influence and quotesand references.
Who knows.
Yep, who knows?
Okay, okay Question Do you haveto go to ethics if one of your
BTs rock slams BT as in bodyThetan, those you're addressing

(48:08):
on the upper levels, and no, youdon't.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
So, just so everybody understands, in scientology
they have what's called ane-meter and it you, you hold
these electrodes in your handscans they used to use soup cans
and um, and they have differentreactions that happen on the
needle of this e-meter and oneof those is called a rock slam
and it's where the dial of theE-meter just violently just

(48:37):
thrashes around.
When that happens, scientologyconsider that that person has an
evil purpose, and the evilpurpose is what makes that the
meter do that.
And so she's asking if you goto ethics if one of your body,
thetans, rock slams?
I don't know this.
That's really a clear question,because that's that's like some

(49:01):
deep technical Scientologycrazy.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Yeah, but it brings up something I wanted to mention
, which is that Hubbard saidthat OT5 would cure cancer and
the reason he alleged this isbecause you would address body
thetans who were being cancerand get rid of them.
And that's how you know.

(49:24):
Allegedly it's supposed to curecancer, which of course we know
from the number ofScientologists who have sadly
passed from cancer.
That's not the case, it goeswithout saying.
But there you have it.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Yeah, that is another thing in Scientology, which is,
if you do have cancer insteadof going to the doctor and this
is where this thing comes fromwell, scientology don't go to
the doctor, they do this.
Well, even if a Scientologygoes to the doctor, the doctor
says hey, you have cancer.
Scientologists know that theonly way they're going to get
rid of the cancer is if they dothe thing in Scientology where

(49:56):
they get rid of that thing.
So, regardless of what thedoctor says to do, they know
that they got to get rid oftheir body things to get rid of
the cancer.
And that may be one of thereasons why a lot of them die of
cancer is because getting ridof those body things ain't
getting rid of the cancer.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:18):
Witness said what would Xenu do?
That's one of my favorites wegot to make some what would.
Xenu do merch Clara.
There you go, clara.
If you are watching Clara,she's always trying to get me to
get what would Xenu do?
Okay?

Speaker 2 (50:37):
You know what to do.
You know what to do.
You know what.
You can get one of thosebuttons.
You know that, like the magiceight ball that gives different
answers, what would xenu do?
Clara says on it mark uh,coffee first, always.
Even though the number ofscientology members is
diminishing, are you worriedabout the amount of power david
miscavige has with billions ofdollars that he could still
influence governments and otherorganizations?
Yeah, absolutely.
That is an issue.

(51:00):
The numbers are dwindling butthe dollars are not.
Which, again?
You referenced that TonyOrtega's article about the
underground bunker, whichcovered that whole thing about
trish duggan and the millions ofdollars she donated to
scientology from thepharmaceutical company.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
So mind-boggling it is.
So they're literally makingmoney on drugs and that drug
money is going to scientology.
It's one of the crazyscientology's so anti-drug.
You know it is very.
The hypocrisy is amazing.
In Scientology it is L RonHubbard.
When he died he hadanti-psychotic drugs.

(51:43):
He had psych drugs in his bodywhen he died and a lot of people
go well, it probably he wasdoctor.
Is the one who prescribed that?
Yeah, his doctor that was aScientologist and knew about all
the body thing and stuff.
Is the one who prescribed himthe psych drugs, anti
-psychotics.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
So it's the hypocrisy never ends.
It's wild.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Okay, we got to wrap these up because we got to get
to all these winners.
We have so much stuff thatwe've got to show you.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
on this other thing, and Dr X is in the chat oh good
to see you and maria, good tosee you perfect we'll put up
whatever.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Oh, I gotta, you gotta, find that.
Uh, dr x comment, I thought itwas not starred um.
Read this and then and findthat while we're, while we're
answering okay, japan of greengables.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
There's an old interview you did Mark where you
said Tom left after he went OTthree and then went OT four
within a week of rejoining.
Can you say more?

Speaker 1 (52:42):
Sure, Well, this actually oddly enough, you, you
know a lot about this too.
Um, but I only know because TomCruise was doing my auditing,
so he did a bunch of stuff.
When he did his auditing withme, he was very.
They were trying to get himtrained as an auditor and they
were trying to get him, um, tothe OT levels.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Right, and the reason for that is because you're
required to do both.
You can't do just thecounseling, you have to do the
training as well, and you can,if you want to he wanted to do
both of them.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yeah, you can do.
If you're a Richie Rich, uh,you can just do the training
side, or you can just do thatYou're not supposed to you're
not supposed to.
But if you give David Miscavige$10 million, he'll look the
other way and let you just dothe auditing and not have to do
all the training.
Tom Cruise did all the training.
He wanted to do the training,anyway.

(53:37):
So then he once he did that,and then him and Nicole when he
was doing my, when Tom Cruisewas auditing me in Scientology,
he had just finished Days ofThunder and he had just met
Nicole and they were in theirlike honeymoon phase of their
relationship, you know, dancingaround and laughing and giggling

(53:58):
, and he bought her a Mercedesrunning through a meadow full of
flowers.
Running through the meadows offlowers, like all that stuff was
happening at the end phase,right and um.
And so he just finished days ofthunder.
He was there and he was anintensively doing scientology
training and auditing andeverything before he was going
to do another movie.

(54:18):
And then once he did that, oncehe went off to do that other
movie, he never came back, hejust disappeared.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
And him and nicole did far and away and they did
eyes wide shut, they did all thestuff that they were doing and
they got their kids and they didall that stuff and well were
doing and they got their kidsand they did all that stuff and
well, no, sorry, when they didfar and away, they were still in
because we went to go see themovie, but eyes wide shut
Definitely not by the time itaway.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
That's right.
By the time they did eyes wideshut, they were persona non
grata and that's because theyknew Nicole was going to get
basically get Tom out and DavidMiscavige was going to lose his
golden boy.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Right, and when you say persona non grata, you mean
David Miscavige would frequentlytell us that Tom Cruise and
Nicole were out ethics and thatthey weren't.
They weren't, uh, and he hadtheir personal staff um Michael
Do and andrea yeah and theirtheir staff, who, who were

(55:16):
scientologists, activelyreporting on exactly what tom
and nicole were doing.
Um.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
So david miscavige had personal knowledge that they
were drifting away fromscientology yeah, anyway, when
they told tom, basically there'sa whole this is like a whole,
whole episode of its own, butthere's like this guy, anthony
Pelicano, and he worked for Tomand he may know some stuff about

(55:44):
this and he may know some stuffabout that.
Anyway, they basicallyconvinced from what we were told
by David Miscavige and andmarty ratcliffe.
They convinced tom that nicolewas cheating on him and because
she was pregnant, that was proofand that is why their marriage

(56:04):
was over.
And when that happened, martyaudited tom full time and did
all the interrogations and allthe stuff on the meter and also
did whatever he had to do to gethim back on his OT levels again
and back into Scientology andconvince him that if he gets,

(56:27):
you know, if he does theScientology upper levels, then
that's going to make everythinggood again in his life.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Right and even specifically that Nicole was the
suppressive person on TomCruise's case.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
If you're in Scientology and you are not
progressing up these upperconfidential, upper levels, it's
because you have a suppressiveperson in your life that's
keeping you from becoming abetter Scientologist and getting
trained and processed up thethese, these confidential levels

(57:00):
.
So if, if you, if if youbelieve in Scientology and you
believe that you're not gettingup the upper levels, then there
has to be a suppressive personin your life.
And they told Tom that Nicolewas that person.
And that is when he went rightback into Scientology and went
hard, and that was probablyearly 2000s, right 2003, 2004.

(57:26):
And then, from that pointforward, tom was team
Scientology hardcore, and that'swhen he starts making space
alien movies.
Anyway, okay, let's get back toit.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Okay, I know they are meaningless.
Question from Japan of greengables.
I know they are meaningless,but what were your ranks in the
Sea Org when you blew?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I was the CPO, a chief petty officer.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
So I I was a warrant officer at one point, but I had
been demoted when I got cause Iwas in the hole.
Yeah, when you go, when you getput in the hole, you're
automatically the lowest rankavailable, which is swamper.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Nice, Good job.
Well, I was a chief pettyofficer and I was I think I was
a mid shipment.
Is that the next one up from?

Speaker 2 (58:16):
CPO.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
I think that was a mid shipment.
For like six months I gotpromoted and then I got then the
crew got something very wateryby the end, like you, know it
didn't mean anything likeMiscavige, could rip off your
bars, which he did on a fewoccasions, and you were done.
Yeah, if he was mad at you andyou were wearing your bars, he'd
make you take your bars off.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Yeah, it's the stupidest thing it made that
some people turn them inside outa couple of times.
It was just bizarre.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
He also made them wear like fluorescent,
fluorescent pink badges and justlike weird things.
He was he was doing.
I'm going to pay in advance foranything you don't cover.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
Thank you, att.
Mom, I'm not totally sure.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Okay.
I guess in questions we covereda lot today.
This is actually jam-packed andwe were just coming up on the
hour so we did pretty good.
Is an engram associated with aparticular thetan?

Speaker 2 (59:14):
It can be.
It gets kind of loosey-gooseywhen you get onto the upper
levels, because when you reachthe state of clear, you realize
that you were creating your ownreactive mind or your reactive
bank, yeah, and yet then, whenyou get onto addressing body
thetans, those body thetans arenot clear.

(59:36):
So it gets very, veryconvoluted.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
It really does.
It really does.
Okay, scientology shouldtrademark Xenu.
It's a crowd favorite.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
There you go, Hi Maria.

Speaker 1 (59:46):
This is a great question and I'm glad you
started this, because this is avery slippery slope for
Scientology, because they saythey don't believe in space
aliens.
So how could they trademark theXenu thing?
So there were people, therewere SPs that were putting the
Xenu stuff on the internet andScientology is saying, hey, you

(01:00:09):
got to take that down, that's acopyright infringement.
And people are like, what areyou talking about?
This is real.
And then they're like, oh geez,what are we doing?
And so, um, so so I own the web.
The web Xenu is my homeboy, ismy domain, I own that.
So, um, and I've owned that fora while.

(01:00:29):
So I am the Xenu is my homeboyguy, and my son, my 16 year old,
wants me to change it to homie.
Xenu is my homie.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So let me know in the comments.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Yeah, he's like you can't say homeboy, they don't
say that anymore.
I'm like I know, but when Imade it up it was, like you know
, 20 years ago.
Xenu is my homeboy is what wesay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:48):
I sent some new merch coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Anyway, clara is what we say.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I sent some new merch coming.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Anyway, Clara, if you want, Athena was my homie.
Maybe we'll track some of theyounger demographics.
We got a bunch of Gen X andolder.
Seem to be the main peoplebuying our stuff here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Okay, yeah which, on a more serious note, we heard
from a viewer that yesterday orsometime in the last few days
during the airing of Yellowstone, Scientology has been rolling
out some brand new commercials.
So, on the one hand, we gouh-oh.
On the other hand, we know theyounger demographics.

(01:01:26):
They go to the internet if theyhave any questions about what
Scientology is, which willultimately lead them here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
The other thing is the last time Scientology is
which will ultimately lead themhere.
So you know, the other thing isthe last time Scientology went
crazy on advertising on theinternet.
We were doing a lot of videosand we were doing a lot of
numbers.
So we don't have a problem withScientology putting out ads.
It drives people to our channeland we do more content to kind
of capture that interest and tryto explain and answer questions

(01:01:57):
valid questions that peoplehave about Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Clara says frantically, typing merch ideas
in my spreadsheet Thank you,Clara, you're the best Coffee
milk dude.
Love to you both.
Everyone seems to have cancer.
Weird, they have so many cases.
Huh, ping me, claire, love me.
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
Okay, good, I don't know about that, but okay, you
say so.
Here's another one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
There you go, gail Richards.
How did LRH explain his illness?
Well, he didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Nobody knew.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, when he was dying, there was only a few Sea
Org members that were with himand, um, and there is a guy that
was with him.
His name was.
Was it Sarge?
Yeah, yes, sarge, and Sargewould tell these stories about
the stuff that L Ron Hubbard wasdoing.
One of the things that he wasdoing now you got to understand.

(01:02:48):
He wrote OT levels.
According to L Ron Hubbard, hewrote OT levels all the way up
to level 15, right, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
Well, the gray chart, the bridge to total freedom,
goes up to OT 15, but it's onlyreleased up to OT 8.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Yes, okay, but he wrote up to OT 15.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Allegedly.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
Allegedly what was released was all the way up to
eight.
Okay, well, he had written thatyears before.
This surge guy was hanging outwith him at one of the last
seorg members and he told surgeat one, or sarge, sarge.
He told sarge at one point thathe wanted to make him, him to
make a meter.
L Ron Hubbard wanted Sarge tomake a meter that would make it

(01:03:36):
so that L Ron Hubbard could findan electrocute body, thetans
with okay because if that's notsus, I don't know what.
Is so though I'm just saying hehad already written up to ot
level 15 and he was still tryingto get get rid of body thetans.
L Ron Hubbard was still tryingto get get rid of body phaetons.
L run hubbard was still tryingto get get rid of body phaetons
right before he died.

(01:03:57):
So if you think that the alienstuff is crazy, it's ghost it
who knows.
And.
And so, to be fair though, andwhat claire keeps alluding
alluding to is there are no otlevels above ot level eight.
Right, they don't exist.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
The version that I heard.
There are several differentversions of what allegedly did
or didn't happen.
The version that I heard isthat Hubbard said what was going
to be on those upper levels ina recorded conversation that he
had with Ray Midoff, and RayMidoff is, of course, the senior
tech guy, and that's why DavidMiscavige couldn't get rid of

(01:04:36):
Ray Midoff.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Yeah, and guess what they talked about?
Ray doesn't remember.
That's another one of theseamazing stories.
And if you're at the end base,you are told by David Miscavige,
himself the leader ofScientology, that L Ron Hubbard

(01:04:57):
sat down with Ray Midoff andexplained to him what OT 9 and
10 was, and then Ray Midoffforgot that that happened and he
didn't write it down.
He didn't know about it.
There is a record that there wasa meeting and there was a
recording and that this happenedand he didn't write it down.
He didn't know about it.
There is a record that therewas a meeting and there was a
recording and that this happened.

(01:05:18):
They cannot find the recordingand Raymond off does not
remember doing it.
Ok, so the only existence ofthese was supposedly something
that Pat Broker had, wassupposedly something that Pat
Broker had, and David Miscavigehas been watching Pat Broker for
decades because he thinks hemight still have OT 9 and 10 and

(01:05:40):
he's going to tell somebodyabout it because Scientology
doesn't have it.
They don't, it doesn't exist.
Yeah, and they certainly don'thave 11, 12, 13 or 15.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
As proven by the fact that, hey, they're collecting
money for all kinds of things.
You guarantee, if DavidMiscavige had something for
which he could collect moremoney, he would absolutely be
doing it 100%.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I think we did good.
I think we got all thequestions.
We did a bunch.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
If we missed your questions.
Sorry about that.
Thanks for everyone being hereand to our moderators, catherine
and Clara.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
We want to do?
Do we want to do the orgcontest?
One first.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Yes, let's do that, and thank you, dr X, for being
here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
As well.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I didn't get to start our comment.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
We are going?
Yeah, we'll definitely.
We'll be looking out for the DrX comments.
So this is this contest thatwas run and it ended on December
12th and people were supposedto take pictures of the small
and failing orgs around them andthey could also do AI pictures

(01:06:53):
and they could do.
Basically, it was very open todo whatever people wanted and
the results are in and we aregoing to show you how that all
went down.
So this is the how tiny is yourorg?
And people went on this questto find all of Scientology's
small and failing organizations.
And there's a little guy thatsays Xenu approved this message.

(01:07:13):
For the love of Xenu, enter thephoto contest.
And here we go how tiny is yourorg?
The categories are going to betiny org.
Empty org.
Ruined org.
Target to ideal org.
Ai image.
Target to ideal org.
Fake Navy Davey picture.
Most upvoted picture.

(01:07:35):
Most upvoted picture by XC org.
And a participation award JeezOne, two, three, four, five, six
, seven, eight awards.
Wow, and I think some of thesehave multiples right, it's like
10.
I don't know.
We're going to give them away,okay.
So the tiny org winner is thisone Tremontina Squirrel.

(01:07:58):
And this is a picture.
I don't know how this persongot this picture.
This is a picture inside of oneof the entrances to the vaults
in the Church of SpiritualTechnology CST at the Tremontina
Base Vault in New Mexico.
This is wild.

(01:08:19):
Okay, next slide is a ruinedorg.
The winner is nika casey turingand this is of toronto org.
And you know.
This is funny that this is theone that won this, because when
we were at the internationalheadquarters, if you were going
to be threatened to be sentsomewhere, it was almost always

(01:08:42):
to canada.
Right, right, weren't?

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
you going to go to canada at one point?
It weren't going to go toCanada at one point.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I think I was supposed to go to the Turk, to
Toronto, or?
Yeah, this is where I was goingto get sent.
Yeah, when I was in the holeand before I was able to
maneuver my way out of the hole,I was going to the Toronto, or
baby, okay, so congratulationsto Nika Casey Turing.
Empty ward.
Empty Ward.

(01:09:07):
Empty Org.
This is.
The winner is Tammy Tamitha.
This is Dallas Ideal Org inTexas, and this is a ghost town
of an org.
I mean, there's just we've seena lot of pictures of these
places and it is empty all thetime.
Good job, dallas, stay away.
Stay far, far away Do not enterTarget to Ideal Org.

(01:09:32):
Ai image Winner UaudibleBleeding Bodie Wyoming Ghost
Town Ideal Org.
Bodie Wyoming Ghost Town, idealOrg.
It's just like a Western ghosttown.
Okay, good job, job, awesome,there you go.
Target two ideal or my navydavy pictures.

(01:09:54):
Becky lunn, a certain fakecaptain of the fake space navy
providing the evening'sentertainment.
Oh he's got.
Look, he's got little spacecooties with him.
A certain fake captain of thefake space navy still riddled
with body thetans, no matter howhard he tries to get rid of
them.
That's amazing.

(01:10:17):
I believe she found it fits soperfect yeah wow, it's amazing
it's beautiful I love it.
These are great, most upvoted.
Petrina Lund, panicked by acertain flood.
Rumor has it that this was acertain fake Navy D captain of
the fake space Navy was doingwhen the great flood hit the

(01:10:37):
base in August 1991.
We're busy.
I can't read what's under therebecause it's under the slide
thing.
A certain fake expansion of theFagnesian hiding Nice.
Oh wow, he's hiding with theother bananas now.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Trevenant says Miscavige will be thrilled to
see this.
Oh yes, I'm sure it's going tobe so amusing for him.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Oh my goodness, Most upvoted picture by XC org winner
, patty Mower.
Is that how you say her name,mower?

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I'm not positive.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
Patty, correct us if we have the pronunciation wrong,
sorry A certain fake captain ofthe fake Space Navy writing his
knowledge report.
So the rest are true.
He does beat his staff.
Lol, I beat my staff.
That's amazing I love these.
Okay, how tiny is your org?
These are the winners.
Thank you, congratulations toeverybody.

(01:11:33):
Now, this is the most organizedthing that I've ever seen in my
life in terms of how well itwas put together and how
everybody I mean we've alreadysent these people all of their
prizes.
We've already communicated.
Claire's already communicatedwith the people and they've
gotten their addresses and itwas sent and everything.

(01:11:55):
So thank you very much toeveryone who participated.
If you want to find outanything more about this, you
can go to the website, which isthe CSEEorg, and I don't know if
they're going to do another one.
I've heard rumblings.
Maybe, possibly there could beone that ends in March 13th or

(01:12:17):
some other Scientology kind ofmilestone event date, but I did
want to.
Participation winners was thelast one, which was due to the
overwhelming number of entriesto the contest.
We have decided to awardmultiple participation winners.
Congratulations to all.
And this is Mrs J Mary K Lunden,happy Elf Kaz L Rond Hubbard,

(01:12:40):
kelly Kelly Gear and Inco G Nito.
I like that.
Incognognito that's a funnyusername incognito, um, okay,
great.
And then dr x.
I don't know who put thistogether.
Somebody sent this in.
Dr x and, uh, dr paul are theones who kind of like,

(01:13:01):
spearheaded and ran this wholething.
Yeah, they just um.
I don't know how they do.
Whatever they do.
It definitely seems likethere's like 10 of them somehow
some way.
There's no way that twoindividuals could do the things
that they do, so somebody madethis very cool poster.
The Adventures of Dr X'sSuperhero Serial Givers, friends

(01:13:25):
, globetrotters Special Editions.
I mean, these guys aredefinitely up Like we hear and
see their adventures.
They send us pictures and theysend us different things from
different.
I mean it is wild what they getup to.
So thank you very mucheverybody for supporting the
contest and congratulations toall the winners.
Yes, okay, and I think the lastthing we got to do is we got to

(01:13:49):
see what we got.
We only have 52 entries, okay.
Well, we're going to do thedrawing.
Oh, there's 300 people in here,so that's a good amount.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
And yes, Kaz, I saw your email and I will respond to
that when we're done here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Well, there you go.
Look at that, okay, we're goingto do the draw.
Here it is.
And oh, I'm clicking my screen.
There we go.
I got to click that screen.
Draw, okay, here we go.
This is going to do it.
Draw, oh there it goes.
Okay, where this is allcomputerized autumn.
Oh, I almost won.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
If I win, that would not be good, oh crazy clean,
crazy cleaner.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Crazy cleaner.
Congratulations, crazy cleaner.
You are the next contestant onthe BFG channel, awesome.
Well, it looks like we got Ithink we got all the super chats
.
We got all the starredquestions.
I think we got it all.
We took care of all of it.
If you guys like this way ofdoing it, we'll do more of these

(01:14:50):
.
I'm going to do a video on thisfootage I have of the
Scientologist cleaning up.
I just have to figure out agood way to present it, because
it's literally just clips like30 seconds, 10 seconds, 5
seconds, but there's a lot ofthem so I might cut a reel
together, but when I wasstarting to prep it, it's just

(01:15:12):
like oh, this is going to takeme like a week or two.
So that's why we decided to dothis today and because the
contest ended and all that goodstuff.
But we like answering you guys'questions.
One of the big questions thatcomes up a lot is about the
aliens, so we figured we'd do avideo about that.
Um, also, scientology'sstarting to put some ads on
yellowstone and it's the end ofthe year and they're starting to

(01:15:34):
get their.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
Uh, I guess, uh, davey's got excited about doing
some ads well, he's got to havesomething to announce at the new
year's event.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Oh, that's right, they've got to say at the New
Year's event they've writtenthese ads.
Good thinking, that's exactlywhat it is.
Yep, regardless, whenScientology run ads, we get
views and we sell merch and wedo whatever.
We do so and we get the wordout about Scientology.
And to all the Scientologiststhat are watching, we've got

(01:16:05):
look, you can click here andthere and down there We've got
all kinds of videos about allthe things that happen at the
Sea Org and the Ant Base, and so, yeah, we're going to keep
doing that.
We're going to try to do.
We've got the holidays comingup, guys.
We're going to try to do avideo every week if we can.
If they're not on Sunday, wemight slip one during the week,
if it's not going to line upholiday-wise or whatever we're

(01:16:28):
doing.
We're all over the place, guys.
So we try, we try, we try, wetry and hopefully the new studio
works out.
Hopefully this thing made itand sounds good and looks good
and yeah, we appreciate.
I guess I could show all thesethings.
Xenu is my homeboy and tons ofour amazing BFG merch we got
from the Blown for Good store.

(01:16:49):
The link is in the description.
If you want copies of my bookBlown for Good right there,
claire and I both signed those.
We only have a handful ofpaperbacks left and we've got a
few hundred hardbacks left.
If you want the fake Navy dolls, bobbleheads and SP bracelets,
you can get those from the SPshopcom.
The SP shop supports.

(01:17:10):
All the proceeds from the SPshop go to the aftermath
foundation and if you want tojust directly support the
aftermath foundation, you can goto the aftermath foundationorg
and then, yeah, go to the corgorg If you want to see any of
those photos or any other stuffthat people put in that we
didn't show here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:27):
And there we go, covered it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:30):
I think that was it.
I think that was all the things.
I think we did all of thethings.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Thanks to everybody who joined us today.
Great to see everybody and yeah, there you go Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
Thanks guys, we appreciate it, until next time.
Bye, thanks guys, we appreciateit, until next time.
Bye.
Oh, I got to set the outrovideo.
Oh fun, sorry guys, I'm goingto do this.
I got to set that and then Igot to go.
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