Scientology's Latest Attack: Uncovering Their 2025 Fair Game Tactics - Scientology Attacks - Episode #2 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined here today by mylovely wife.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, hey, hey, good to be here.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Today's video, we're going to do something.
We just did a video similar tothis a few weeks ago about
Scientology coming after us andtrying to mess with our personal
lives and our businesses andstuff like that.
So we just got an emailThursday Thursday, on Thursday
and we actually got an emaildirectly from Scientology.
This is a crazy one.

(00:49):
We'll do our normal thing wherewe find out where everybody's
coming in from, whereeverybody's watching from.
If you're watching this live,we are live right now so people
can write in and comment.
We like to read out wherepeople are watching from.
It gives a minute or two forpeople to uh join into the video

(01:11):
that are just getting theirnotifications or whatever.
So, uh, we'll go ahead and dothat sounds good um, let me uh
put back over to here so we canuh let cla Claire read these off
here.
Okay, we got a lot of happySundays too.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Yes, mary Kay London.
Hi everyone from Albuquerque.
Hi Mary Kay.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
That's from you, that's me.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Happy Sunday everybody.
Happy July 4th weekend toeveryone celebrating that.
Karen Ortiz, happy Sunday SPs.
Yes, petrina.
Petrina, good evening.
Mark Claire and gang fromReading, uk.
Good to see you here, manon.
Hello from a very rainyFleveland.

(01:57):
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Speaker 1 (02:00):
I really do man.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
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(02:23):
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(02:44):
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(03:06):
And Karen.
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(03:29):
Jess Wilco.
Greetings from an unusually hotManchester, uk, nice.
Yeah, I always remember itbeing rainy, excited.
I'm in Chicago.
Love you both.
Thanks for being here, ariana,and thanks for making it.
Jerry Miller, hi from Omaha,the second live.
Yeah, happy day, all right,trevenon.

(03:52):
Good evening from theNetherlands.
Oh, wow, look at this.
Britzy 74, sa.
Hi from what is that?
Cold?
South Africa, yeah, wow.
Okay, then Gabby, I'm late.
Hi everyone, everyone fromtexas.
You're not that late, we'regood, we're just getting started
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Speaker 1 (04:12):
Oh, it just said beard for good beard's looking
good.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Beard for good.
Yep, there you go.
Travis bowman, hot and humid.
Cincinnati, ohio.
Yeah's pretty hot here too, butjust not humid.
Heidi, oceanside, california,lindy.
Hello from Central Ohio.
Awesome, I just got my book BFG, I just love.

(04:38):
Marty's forward, nice, yeah,right, apparently has stood the
test of time.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Hanging by the pool in Grand Rapids, nice, nice,
yeah Right, apparently has stoodthe test of time.
Yep, hanging by the pool inGrand Rapids, nice, nice,
awesome.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Awesome guys.
Thanks a lot.
I think we got enough people inhere that we can actually start
.
Usually we do it when we have ahundred people in the YouTube
stream yes, watching live Thenwe just start.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, you know, otherwise the people on replay
are like why do we have?

Speaker 1 (05:07):
to hear about all these people.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Oh good, you know what?
We appreciate everyone who'shere.
It's worth it.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
We like to do a little community thing.
You know what I'm saying yes.
Yeah, Thanks for joining usguys.
We wouldn't do this if you guysweren't watching, If there were
nobody tuned in.
We'd just be like, OK, I guessit ran its course there.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
We can just talk over coffee upstairs.

Speaker 1 (05:27):
Yeah, we can do this on our own.
We don't have to do it in frontof people.
So, yeah, how do I start this?
So, claire and I for those ofyou who are new or this is the
first time you're watching avideo on our channel Claire and
I worked in the Scientology SeaOrganization.
Video on our channel.
Claire and I worked in theScientology Sea Organization.

(05:48):
I worked there from 1989 to2005, and 15 years of that, from
1990 to 2005, was at theinternational headquarters where
David Miscavige worked.
And, claire, what were theyears that you were there?
You're not 92, 91.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I, yeah, started in my billion year contract at the
age of 16, in 1991, and escapedin January 2005.
So 14 years basically.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Yeah, so when we left and we did cover a lot of this
in the last video, but when weleft in 2005, it didn't take
more than a day for them tostart messing with us, talking
to our family, telling them theycouldn't talk to us and
declaring us suppressive personsand all this other stuff.
But over the years they've beenmessing with our businesses and

(06:44):
they really, really try.
There is a Hubbard policycalled fair game and in that, or
what's the one that says,destroy them utterly?

Speaker 2 (06:55):
There's a whole body of policies about how to destroy
the critics of Scientology,silence them utterly, destroy
them utterly, do anything andeverything to shut them down and
, for all intents and purposes,that's what Scientology has been
doing to Mark and I since theday we left, and it has

(07:18):
sometimes it's gone in ebbs andflows, but it's been pretty
consistent, I would say since2010, at least, or thereabouts,
maybe 2012, I think, is what wefigured out.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Well, 2012 was when they started the websites Right,
and we think this is veryinteresting because when we were
in a lawsuit with Scientology,they didn't have anything on the
internet.
When we were in the middle ofsuing them, they didn't have a
single thing up on the internet.
They still did things to messwith us in person, with private

(07:52):
eyes and private investigatorsfollowing us all around and
harassing our clients and peoplethat work for me, and you name
it.
We even have a recording ofthis.
I think we got to dig that upand see if it's on Tony Ortega's
blog.
But it was even a guy that usedto work for me, that also used
to work at the internationalheadquarters, and Scientology,

(08:16):
tommy Davis, specificallydragged him in to the office of
special affairs in Los Angelesand told him basically that I
was uh akin to uh uh, hitler andthat he, by working for me,
would that's like him workingfor Hitler.
And um, they basically told himthat if he didn't quit working

(08:40):
for me, he was my only employee,by the way, at that time it was
my sole employee.
I had one person working for meand it was this guy and um, and
he worked at Golden AirProductions with me.
Um, when I was there as well,he was on the shoot crew.
Um, uh, that when I was theshoot crew chief and um, and one

(09:01):
of the things we've done we'vealways done since we've got out
is we try to hire as many peoplefrom the seat that left the Sea
Org or left Scientology aspossible to kind of hook them up
, help them out until theyfigured out what they wanted to
do.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
If they didn't want to do what we were doing.
That because we realized thatthe Office of Special Affairs
had an open place where theywould.
When somebody did successfullyget out from the Sea Org, the
Office of Special Affairs wouldput them in a job where not only
were they making very littlemoney but also they could keep a

(09:44):
close eye on them and supervisethem and keep them still under
their control.
And oftentimes the person hadreally good life skills where
they could be making a waybetter living.
But unfortunately, when you'vebeen conditioned so many years
in the C organization, making$46 a week even minimum wage

(10:06):
seems like you're you're.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
it's a baller.
That's a baller.
That's a baller.
Move making minimum wage 15 anhour.
Oh my God, you can make aweek's worth of pay in one day.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Yeah, I mean remember when I got my first job as a,
as a waitress, I forgot to evenask how much I was making.
It didn't even matter to me, Iwas just like I got a job yeah,
she came out.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
We were literally job hunting for claire for about 30
minutes.
30 minutes into our job hunt,claire got a job at this uh
pizza restaurant in lee summit,missouri, called the pizza shop
yes, um great people greatpeople, people.
We love the family that ownedthat chain.
They owned a bunch offranchises of that restaurant,
yeah.
But she goes in.

(10:51):
It said Help Wanted outside.
I drive up I say, oh, why don'tyou go check that out?
She goes in, I don't know.
10 minutes later she comes out.
10 minutes later she goes.
I got the job and I was likeamazing, how much are they going
to pay you?
She goes oh, I didn't ask thatjump.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
And I was like amazing.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
How much are they going to pay?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
And she goes oh, I didn't ask that, it was pretty
amazing and it turned out.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
It was like $2.50 an hour plus tips, but actually I
did really good.
Oh, she slayed it, she wasmaking, I think someday she was
making five weeks of pay in oneday.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Of Sea Org pay, that is yeah.
Exactly, pay in one day?
Yeah, sea org pay, that is yeah, um, so the other thing I did
want to say and I wanted to kindof start uh, I wanted to give
this as a sort of background tothis, as when you're in
Scientology, um, a lot of peoplesay, what's the?
There must be something goodabout it.

(11:42):
There must be something, um,there must be a reason why
there's people that are doing itbesides all the space aliens
and Xenu and the cooties and allthat good stuff.
And the thing I I've beentrying to figure out how to
articulate this for for thelongest time, and I think I kind
of figured it out the other daywhen I was listening to another

(12:04):
podcast about cults and it wasthe Nixxiom thing, because there
was a strange parallel betweenScientology and Nixxiom, even
though Nixxiom is pretty muchjust almost a full-fledged
ripoff of Scientology.
Like he kind of cherry pickedthings and kind of moved things

(12:25):
around and renamed them, butit's a lot of the same nonsense
that they did at Nixxiom.
They do that in Scientology.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Even a lot of the same language, a lot of the same
concepts.
It's 100% an offshoot, Totallyyeah.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Anyway, one of the things they do, and especially
in the C organization, is thatthey beat the wimp out of you,
and by wimp I mean anybody who'snot willing to work 100 hours a
week, every week for the restof your life.
But they grind you down untilyou're basically a machine, a

(13:00):
compliant machine that will beas productive as possible, and
that's my experience in the SeaOrg.
But I've seen a similar thinghappen with paying members of
Scientology.
Because they don't want anyslouches in Scientology, they
want to get a few million bucksout of you, no matter who you
are.
They want to get as much moneyas possible out of you, and if

(13:24):
you're just laying aroundwatching TV and playing video
games, you're most likely notgoing to be able to come up with
that much dough to give them.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Right.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
And so they want people that are going to work
hard and make a lot of money sothat they can get a lot of money
out of you, and so one of thethings they do is they, they,
they make hustlers.
I got to say.
I really do think that I wantto say, like 80% of
Scientologists are hustlers.

(13:53):
They've, they've, they're,they're trying to do anything
and everything to make as muchmoney as possible so they can
give it to Scientology.
And, and one of the other waysthey try to do that is they try
to get other successful peopleinto Scientology that they know
can make some dough or that arealready making some dough, so

(14:14):
they can get some money out ofthem.
And I think that's one of thereasons why they concentrate.
You hear about a lot of dentistsand chiropractors and getting
into Scientology and becausethat is sort of a cash machine,
those businesses, if you knowhow to do it.
So they have these doctors thatcome in that they're good
doctors, like they're a gooddentist or whatever, or, if you

(14:36):
want to say, a good chiropractor, but they don't really know how
to organize and they don't knowhow to hustle maybe, and so
they try to.
They basically try to give themways, shortcuts if you will, or
sometimes even just justpractices that are very common,

(14:59):
like promote and and offersubscription-based services and
stuff like that.
So they basically give themtips and tricks on how they can
hustle and make some more dough.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
So I wouldn't.
I wouldn't credit that, for Imean, you pointed out that
Hubbard ripped off much of it,but to me, the biggest motivator
for those people in Scientologyis the control and leverage
Scientology has on them.
Sure, so you know their family,they've gotten their friends in
, so now they they're stuck inthis, this hamster wheel where

(15:27):
they've they have to keep going,they have to keep hustling,
like you said.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Well, yeah, that that that is a good point too.
Once you start in Scientology,you're not really allowed to
like quit.
Yeah, if you know, if youunderstand like you can never
stop doing Scientology andremain in Scientology, they
really want you to keep goingand keep doing new things.
And if they have somebody whodid a course in 1979 and didn't

(15:54):
do a course until you know 1983,they're being like and they
call it stalled, someone who'sstalled on the bridge, and then
they send people out to thatperson's like dude, you're
stalled on the bridge, we needto do people out to that
person's like dude, you'restalled on the bridge, we need
to do a handling on you or youneed to get, get, get GTFO.
That's pretty much how it goes.

(16:16):
And the people in the C org orthat are public that they're
grinding and trying to make intothis money-making machine or a
product producing machine, oryou know, in the C org getting
as much busy work done aspossible product producing
machine, or you know, in the seaor getting as much busy work
done as possible, the peoplethat don't that, don't, that
aren't pliable and that they canmold into a machine, those are
some of the people that getbroken.
Those are the people that youfind out.
They, you know they had ahorrible accident or they made

(16:48):
themselves happen or a horribleaccident, or they, you know they
the the people that have, thepeople that have mental issues
from what Scientology has doneto them.
They just kick them out whenthey and and we were telling we
were, we, our neighbors, knowall this nonsense.
We were hanging out with ourneighbors the other night and
they were asking us aboutsomething.
One of them one of ourneighbors, by the way, he's in
here every once in a while.
He kind of gets in the comments.
We don't know his username.

(17:10):
But he says that he's in hereall the time.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
He enjoys chatting with you guys.
Yeah, he loves tuning intothese videos.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Anyway, we were talking with some of our
neighbors and they pointed outwhich I never even really
thought about as soon assomebody starts to have legit
mental issues in Scientologyalmost a hundred percent of the
time, from what?
Scientology?
The?
The abuse, the mental andphysical and just the abuse that

(17:39):
they're getting fromScientology they kick them out.
Right, they said get out ofhere, you're useless.
And for somebody, for a placethat claims to have the modern
science of mental health, assoon as mental health is an
issue, they throw you right outof there.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, completely.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's wild Anyway, so.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Scientology is a never-ending stack of
contradictions.
Once you actually start askingyourself honest questions, it
just doesn't end.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You cannot insert logic into this.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, it's wild, but the reason I say that is because
when you leave the Corganization after working 100
or more hours a week, working isnot a big deal.
No, a hundred or more hours aweek working is not a big deal.
No, it's not, it's just.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
especially if you're just doing a 40 hour a week job,
it's sort of like andespecially when you've spent the
first 30 years of your life ina cult and now you're faced with
having to hustle and build alife from literally nothing,
that's true.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
So not only do they make you a hustler, but they
make you a hustler that's sortof interdependent on the
Scientology network and yourfriends and family.
They try to yes, they try tokind of do that.
So, that being said, whenClaire and I left, we did work
for other people.
When we first got out, and notby coincidence, I worked for a

(19:08):
guy, that the guy who got me thejob was a Scientology spy, and
Claire worked for a company.
The people that got her jobwere that got her that job were
Scientology spies.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
So, and once we sort of.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Not that we knew that at the time.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
We didn't know at all .
We were just newbies out in theworld.
And they were like, hey, we'llpay you this much.
I'm like that seems prettydecent.
And then we went and worked forthose people and then, after I
want to say probably by the endof the first year, we both
peaced out by the end of 2005,.
We were like, okay, I see, wekind of started putting the

(19:42):
pieces together and it was like,okay, we can't work for, we
can't work for somebody that wasin Scientology, that we don't
know right, we don't, we don'ttrust.
And then we also, and also bothof these people could speak with
their family that were still inScientology, right, Even though

(20:03):
they had left from theinternational headquarters, like
we did, which when you're there, they tell you if you leave,
you're getting declared period,Right.
So the fact that there we were,these other people, they were
sort of declared but theyweren't declared.
They were allowed to talk totheir family, but they were
still had to do things to getback in good standing.
It was a little bit of a weirdthing.
And then eventually we justrealized, oh, OSA is making a

(20:25):
deal with them.
If they spy for them, thenthey'll let them talk to their
family.
But in order to be able tocontinue to talk to their family
, they have to continue toprovide information to
Scientology about the peoplethat are, you know, speaking out
or whatever.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Yeah, and I will say those experiences for me anyway,
helped me to understand how OSAleverages and controls people
and therefore, when someonewould approach us and the you
know who was a had gotten out ifit didn't make sense that they
were talking to us like, dude,you're talking to your mom, if

(21:01):
you talk to us, you're going toget yourself in a world of pain.
So if the pieces didn't makesense, I'd be like you know what
, nice Thanks for reaching outand all that, but I'm not going
to.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, that is always a good sort of uh yardstick for
on whether or not we could trustthe person.
Yeah, if there's something alittle pinche in the works.
You're like, hey, listen, thisguy's hanging out with us, but
he also goes and sees his mom,who's in the sea organization,
exactly goes and sees her onsunday morning for an hour.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
You're like and yet our, our parents, who are not in
the sea or we're not allowed totalk to them.
We're like, come on.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah.
So we knew that was a good sortof barometer, for if there's a
possibility of nonsense, that'sa key indicator.
And some people wouldlegitimately be like if they
weren't in the Sea Org, or theyused to be in the Sea Org and
they weren weren't any longer.
Or they used to do scientologyand they weren't any longer, but

(22:00):
they were still allowed to talkto their parents, maybe because
they never said anything or didanything or never spoke out.
And when those people would comeand we thought we did trust
them and we thought we said, hey, listen, you know we like you
and all and we'll hang out.
But you gotta, hanging out withus is not going to be good for
your situation.
It's going to, it's going toescalate very quickly.

(22:20):
And some people we told that tothey were like I don't care.
You know, if they do that to me, then screw them.
And we do have I mean, weprobably have 10, maybe five to
10 people that we know that arelike that.
They kind of were just like youknow what your friendship is
more valuable than playing thisgame with these guys and I never
talked to my mom.

(22:40):
Anyway, she's in the c org.
I haven't seen her in 20 yearsand you know she sends me a card
right, but nonetheless it's it.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Talking about it in this context and looking like
reflecting on it, it's justshitty that you know we were
literally had nothing.
We're starting over now, butyet we were in this big like
quandary of who can we trust,who can we?
Not trust who's trying to messwith us, Like already from day
one.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Obviously, because we are working with people who are
leaving and stuff like that,but we're not hanging out with a
lot of these people.
They may be right to us and wesay, yeah, we could help you, we
can do this.
We're not giving outoperational information to just
randos that email us.
But at the same time, youalways have to be second
guessing, even when we would getclients, sometimes we would get

(23:33):
people that say, oh, I'd loveyou to do this for me, or, you
know, do this Claire's businessand my business.
And then, and if they, if itwasn't, if it seemed unorganic
or like just out of place, likeone time too good to be true.
Like one time we used to have acompany, um that um did some

(23:54):
stuff with farmer's markets inLos Angeles and one time
somebody came to the farmer'smarket and found out that I had
an AV company by talking tosomebody that was working the
farmer's market and they wantedme to bid on a job for them.
That's super weird.
To go to a farmer's market tofind an AV company, that's just

(24:16):
not a.
That's not a.
It was very contrived, excuseme.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Just, didn't, didn't make sense, it just didn't make
sense.

Speaker 1 (24:25):
But also when I went to do that job there were
definitely like red flags and ofcourse it ended up being some
sort of OSA op.
Yeah, and the the funniestthing was on that job, it was a.
It was a giant house inglendale this is when we were
still in california.
It was a giant house in theglendale, maybe silver lake area

(24:46):
and um, and it had already beenmessed up by another av company
, like another av company haddone a bunch of the prep work
and just horribly, it was just a.
It was just not a good job.
And then they wanted me to comein and sort of fix it.
It just happened to be a sortof system that I didn't really
do.
I didn't program that sort ofautomation system for the

(25:10):
audiovisual stuff, so I broughtin a guy a Scientologist was
under the radar, not wanting todo Scientology.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
That you'd known since you were a kid right.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
That I went to Scientology school with yeah,
and he was like, oh yeah, I'llcome take a look at it.
And as soon as he showed up,the whole thing fell apart.
Like they didn't answer mycalls, they didn't answer emails
, and I was all like, oh, Imight have, like they were
trying to throw me under the busand then I put one of their own
people back in there and thenthey were going to have to throw
him under.
His daughter was in the Sea Organd all this other nonsense

(25:41):
Anyway.
And then I actually ran intothat guy at like a Home Depot,
like years later, and he waslike dude, they, my daughter,
and you know it was like, and Iwas like dude, I get it.
You know kind of shitty that.
You know that.
You know you got kind of, hegot kind of, he probably got a

(26:02):
little roughed up on it, but itwas them and it was him and them
.
So I'm like, hey, you guys arestill playing this game, so you
got to face consequences anyway.
Ok, so, and then we have done alot of different things over
the years um, differentcompanies and stuff.
Um, for the most part I've hadmy main one company and for the

(26:24):
most part claire's had her maincompany, but we you know so and
you start, so you started yourcompany in 2006.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, doing av systems.
I started my bookkeepingcompany in 2008.
After I started learningQuickBooks in 2006, february
2006, which was the same monthour oldest son was born.
But yeah, that has been, andwe've done multiple different
things over the years and andalways come back to realizing

(26:53):
that, hey, you know our two corecompanies, that's what we're
good at, that's what we know.
We should just focus on that.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, but we did a lot of other things here and
there and sometimes we'd have acompany that you know, we'd know
somebody we were good friendswith and they said, oh, you guys
are so good, can we do this?
And we kind of go in onsomething together with somebody
, maybe?
Yep, anyway, so that leads usto this weird thing that
happened on Thursday.

(27:23):
Yes, I want to say, in like2013-ish, we had a lot of
friends that used to be inScientology, that left
Scientology, and they were whatthey call power sellers or you
know, for Amazon they sold they.
They manufactured products andsold them on Amazon and um, I

(27:46):
don't know if you guys know howhow Amazon works, but basically
if you have a really goodproduct that people have given,
uh, the that a lot of purchaseshave been made and there's a lot
of good reviews, for then whensomebody searches for you know,
a yellow beanbag and you're justlike the best reviewed yellow
beanbag in the world, then itgoes to the top of the search

(28:07):
results and you can sell somepretty good numbers of yellow
beanbags, anyway.
So there's a lot of companiesthat started sprouting up that
would it's basically likeproduct testing.
You would somebody, a seller,would hire you and say, hey,
I've got these 10 products thatI need to get tested and I need

(28:28):
people, I need feedback and Ineed reviews on them, yep, and
then they give you products andthen you send them to people
that do reviews for like producttesting, and the reviews don't
have to be good, they can be abad review yeah, it's whatever
it's.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
The point is to get the um to, like you said, get
feedback and input on theproduct and then also kind of
jump start if it's a goodproduct, then great, great, then
people will start talking aboutit and in those early days of
Amazon it was very, very common.
Yeah, you know, we're talkinglike you know, obviously.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
You can Google right now.
You just go product testing orproduct reviews and there's
probably, you know, 20 pages ofcompanies that do this all over
the world.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Yeah, anyway, and we should also mention, just as
we're setting up this forcontext.
We knew from our friends whowere doing these.
Amazon businesses that asignificant number of
Scientologists were also inthese power selling groups.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, and this one of the people that we knew that
went.
They have these, they haveconventions and meetings and
Zooms and all these things thatthey kind of round these people
up, and it costs to be in one ofthese groups where they share
all the tips and tricks how tobe.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, like a significant amount of money.
Yeah, I mean, one of ourfriends was grandfathered in and
still I think it was like$5,000 a year and it had gone up
to.
I don't know, I want to waslike $5,000 a year and it had
gone up to I don't know.
I want to say 40 to 50,000 ayear just to be in this power
selling group.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, it's a lot.
Anyway, there was one guy.
She went to one of theseconventions and there was one
guy that used to work at thebase Shout out to Kenny Davies
who was getting blowies on thebus, and that's why he got
kicked off the base.
Anyway, he was in one of thesebig groups and he was at one of
these conventions and it waslike what?
Anyway, we just thought that wasfunny, but regardless, one of

(30:28):
our Amazon friends said, hey,this would be a great business
and it's not a lot of work, andit might be a great thing.
And so we actually had acompany that did this and I want
to say, maybe after six monthswe were just like this is a ton
of work for not a lot of money.

(30:51):
It was just not a.
I mean, I guess if you did iton a huge, huge scale, it would
be productive, but we werealready doing really well in the
companies that we had, and soit was sort of like we don't, we
don't, we already have thebooks and the Scientology stuff
and her company and my companyand the kids, and that it's just

(31:12):
like yeah, and at this time, atthis time, our kids were little
, yeah, so I was struggling tokeep up with with my business
and working with you on yourbusiness and three young
children, um, so it was way toomuch.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
It was too much too much.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So we stopped doing it.
I want to say I can't evenremember, like I had to ask
Claire, did we even do anyreviews for anybody, like that's
how much I was involved with it.
I was just like, did we even doany reviews?
And Claire's like yeah, we dida few here and there and I was
like, okay, but either way.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Again, we're talking 2014.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
2014 for like a six month period, we had this
company, Okay.
So Claire got an email onThursday and it and this is
other another weird thing itwent to Claire's personal email,
which she doesn't share, andthat's not a public thing.
I don't think anywhere.

(32:11):
I mean not that we know notthat we know, obviously.
Scientology could have gottenit from a spy who might have
been a friend with us, who wroteto us and then Claire wrote
back to him, and who knows?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
But either way, I mean they have been periodically
.
Osa has been sending emails tothat email, like they always
when they're running their hatecampaigns.
They used to do these emailalerts like oh you should see
this new article right here.
Oh, that's right, we did used toget yeah, and so we always
saved those because ourattorneys advised us just

(32:45):
document everything, date time,when it happens.
So we have a very long list.
Since our attorney told us thatyears ago, she was like just
there's not much you can do, butat least keep track of it with
dates and times and specificsand who did what.
So I so I know they've had thatemail, this personal email of

(33:05):
mine, for a very long time, butit has been a minute since they
sent me anything.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah and okay, so let me just bring up this email
then.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
Yeah, so, and this was from Thursday morning.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
So this past Thursday , dear Ms Headley, we are
preparing an article on your LLC, Product Reviews USA LLC which
appears to be an effort to denypersonal liability for a
business that openly traffics inpaid reviews to deceive buyers
and artificially inflate sellerratings, in violation of

(33:40):
Amazon's rules of operation andFederal Trade Commission
regulations.
Do you have any comment youwish to make or defense you wish
to offer before the article ispublished?
Our deadline is Saturday, July5th at 3 pm.
Regards John Blosser.
Investigative reporter, FreedomMagazine.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, there you go, those of you who don't know what
Freedom Magazine is.
Freedom is Scientology's.
It's a magazine and a websiteand basically a propaganda arm
of the Office of Special Affairsbasically a propaganda arm of
the Office of Special Affairs.
The people who run the Freedommagazine and most of their

(34:22):
writers for the last 30 yearswere OSSA office, scientology,
office of Special Affairs, seaOrg members and the people who
run Freedom are Sea Org members.
Now, this John Blossercharacter is not a Sea Org
member.
I don't even think he's aScientologist.
Really.
Tony Ortega did a whole articleabout him and there's a link to

(34:46):
that in the description of thevideo.
After you're done watching, ifyou want to, you know, find out
more about this guy.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, the article thatony did from two years ago
is it's from march 23rd 2023.
Meet john blosser,scientology's new shill, who is
targeting graham berry.
Anyway, tony does a great jobof breaking down who this person
is and his history, um,including that he got fired from

(35:15):
where was it?
Let let's see whatever.
Either way, it's covered in thearticle and, yeah, he's a
character who does Scientology'sdirty tricks and dirty work,
and so we always try to you know, shout out and say what's
happening and how they're tryingto get to us.
Yeah, because it's justcontinuing and ongoing for years

(35:38):
.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
And we like to document it and now we kind of
this is a great thing, becausesometimes when this happens it
doesn't.
I don't get the emails anymore,because I have them.
I basically have blocked everypossible communication form that
they send me and if they do getsomething through, I just add
it to the block list.
So I try to stay off theirwebsites that hate websites

(36:03):
about us and the and I blockthem.
If they come at me on X orwhatever, I just block them.
I don't really care.
But now that we have a platformwhere we can be like, oh, hey,
guess what guys look what theydid this week and we're just
going to do it that way.
That'll be our way ofdocumenting it and then just
making a video and then, oh, youwant to find out what happened
they did in, you know, july 2025.

(36:23):
It's right here in this video,right here, and remember all the
specifics and we have the emailand all that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Yeah, and they and their efforts are always
completely inflammatory andcompletely just intended to get
under our skin, which is wherewe're like dude.
John Blosser, we haven'toperated this business in 2014.
There's nothing illegal and,not to mention, the violations
that you cite are from laws that, in terms of service from

(36:51):
Amazon from 2024, 10 years afterwe operated the business.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
Anyway.
So it is sort of funny, I mean,from the things that we've
gotten, that people have said,hey, you know they did this, or
they told me you did this orthat.
They're like, okay, we gotcracker licking.
That was one of my major crimes.
There's a spider story.

(37:18):
I don't know if I've told thespider story, but there's a
spider story involves a gianttarantula that I had and then
now we've we're adding, uh,reviewing products on Amazon.
It's like, really, guys, likeyou're a cult of a multimillion
dollar scam operation that'staking money from people and

(37:40):
breaking up families.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But this guy licks some crackers.
Watch out for him.
As of Thursday July 3rd, we'restill 20 years later.
Yeah, A problem, a thorn in theside of a billion dollar cult
says everything that we need toknow about the fact that we just
need to keep talking abouttheir abuses.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
Yeah, david Miscavige is definitely not happy with
any of what we're doing, andthat's another thing that I want
to constantly point out topeople is that the Office of
Special Affairs is if Golden EraProductions was micromanaged by
David Miscavige, office ofSpecial Affairs is micro, micro

(38:30):
micromanaged by David Miscavige.
You can't do anything at OSFunless he knows about it or he
said to do it, and you can'tjust, you know, revive a hate
campaign If he, if, if you'regoing to do something, you got
to say hey, dear sir, theHeadleys are talking about our,

(38:53):
our boy Tom, mr Risky business,and they're talking about you,
mr David Miscavige, and allthese other things, and I'm
never going to say his name theother way, ever again.
It's Miscavige.
For the rest of time, unless Ihave a Freudian slip, anyway,
you can't do anything in OSAwithout David Miscavige

(39:16):
approving it or directing it.
Period.
It's just the Office of SpecialAffairs.
Every time they've donesomething that he said not to do
and it goes sideways, then hejust goes in and people heads
roll.
If something happens or they dosome stunt like this and it

(39:37):
gets out.
If he directed it and thishappens we're doing a video on
it right now then, um, he's likesee it's working or you know
whatever, but it just notworking, dave, it's not working,
it's not working, you guys um Idon't want you to do more.
I mean if, if you want you can,it's just more content for the
channel, but we'd rather tellstories of crazy stuff you've

(40:06):
been up to, dave, practice offair game is alive and well, as
directed directly and only by.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
how do you say it, david?

Speaker 1 (40:19):
miscavage, miscavage.
It's easy, babe, just rememberthe vag part, miscavage.
Um, anyway, it's easy.
Uh, shout out to uh, oompa vil,the oompa vil youtube channel.
I was telling you guys, oh,that's the other, I don't know
if I told you this, so I waswatching.
I I've watched this channel abunch of times.

(40:40):
I think I mentioned it on lastweek's video, uh, or the week
before, or whenever this othervideo came out.
Um, there's a channel calledoompa-ville on youtube and I've
actually been watching this guyfor several years.
He had these little pugs thatwould just hang out with him
when he'd do the video and if hegot excited and started yelling
or barking or making weirdnoises, the dogs would start

(41:01):
barking.
Anyway, I thought it was funnyand he would mainly cover like
internet and sort of likeYouTube slash, internet social
media scammers like Logan Pauland Jake Paul and you know
whoever Bitcoin, ftx or whateverthat kind of stuff.
And I found it interesting.

(41:25):
I found the content interesting.
Anyway, this channel, like amonth or two ago, maybe three
months ago now he did thisreally long video.
His videos are very long formand they're heavily, heavily
produced and edited.
He has a whole team of peoplethat work on his content and he
did a whole thing on Scientologyand I was sort of like wow,

(41:45):
that's kind of wild that he'sdoing that.
And then I also kind of waslike I don't know, we'll see how
this goes.
I mean, I really do.
I really do think he might getsome clap back from Scientology,
but we'll see.
He's got a few millionsubscribers, I think I don't
remember.
But he just did a video liketwo days ago, another video on

(42:09):
Shelly Muscavige missing, and hequoted us like I don't know,
maybe four or five times in thevideo of articles, or he quoted
something on Tony Ortega's blogand it was covered in there.
But I did think that I was like, oh, now some of these bigger
YouTubes that cover scams arenow.

(42:30):
There's a lot more YouTubersthat are covering Scientology
now and there's a lot morecontent that they're not really
afraid of, these old school, youknow thug tactics that
Scientology does.
Scientology it is very muchsimilar to like a little baby

(42:50):
North Korea.
They have these little islandswhere you have no freedoms.
You have no.
You're not allowed to judge theleader and you're not allowed
to openly speak out against theleader and if you do, you end up
in a re-education camp or youend up being pushed down the
class system within Scientologyor within the Sea Org or however

(43:13):
it works.
The Sea Org or however it works.
The parallels to North Korea areastounding.
If you take all the things thatthey do and all the things that
Scientology do, you'd thinkthat Hubbard and Miscavige were
like whatever North Korea does.
We need to be doing thatbecause those people they ain't
going anywhere and even the factthat they have and I didn't

(43:35):
know this until just like a weekago they have like ultra
barrier all the way around NorthKorea, just like they do at
Scientology bases, gilman, hotSprings, all the CST properties,
all the places that are remote,have these barbed wire fences
that face inward, fences thatface inward.

(43:58):
So, just like North Korea,they're not trying to keep
people out of North Korea,they're trying to keep people in
North Korea.
That's the same way.
Scientology has all their sortof compound setup.
They're out.
Where they can do that?
Obviously in the middle ofOrlando or Hollywood, california
.
They don't have ultra barrieraround on the fences, but
actually they might on HollywoodBoulevard, the Holiday Inn, the

(44:18):
Hollywood Inn Anyway, I digress, but it is interesting that
there are more people coveringit.
So to me, I think we're justgoing to keep doing it.
We did participate in a fewdifferent things that may or not
end up on YouTube, they mightend up on another platform, but

(44:42):
that we just recently did andthere's going to be- and we have
a bunch scheduled coming up too, so we'll post them on the
community page when they'recoming out, with news and
updates of where they will be.
Sure, and we might even do avideo on them when they come out
to see how it turned out,because sometimes we do these
things and then they never comeout Right when they're about to

(45:06):
get it ready and mosttraditional media companies and
news outlets and platforms theyat least contact Scientology and
say hey, we're doing a story,we're doing a show on you, we're
doing a program on you, we'redoing 10 episodes or two
episodes or a series or whatever.

(45:27):
And then Scientology sends themthese dossiers which they just
got jacked up for doing that inUK.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Because why do you have a dossier on this person,
right?
Why?
Why would you do that for thisperson that is not even part of
your group anymore?
Why would you have a dossier onthem, right?
We've been told by people wholeave Scientology that maybe
knew us or knew of us or used tobe friends with us when we were

(45:57):
kids or when we were in the SeaOrg.
And they show them when theyleave and they say, hey, you
can't talk to these guys.
You got to read this binder onall the dirt.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah, in fact, you reminded me one of the people
that Tommy Davis and JessicaFeshback had had one of these
meetings with was somebodyanother person that that I had
started a company with.
That's right, I totally.
You just reminded me of that.
And she and her husband werepulled in and shown this giant

(46:29):
binder dossier I know I did too.
You just literally justreminded me it was literally a
um like an, a nanny businesslike we were going to help you
know, kind of an nanny locatoryeah, exactly like help moms
with young kids find a nanny andbe introduced or babysitter or
whatever which there wasn't atthe time

Speaker 1 (46:51):
there wasn't and now there's probably, you know, a
hundred yeah, for sure, there'stons of them.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
This was back in 2008 .
This one, yeah, but yeah, no,that was they were shown a giant
big binder of how we were atthe time.
Their latest line was that wewere mr and mrs anonymous that's
right, because I was going toall the anonymous protests.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Claire went to like one or two.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah Well, our kids were really little.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
Yeah, but regardless, we didn't work with them.
They also had a lawsuit againstScientology that they dropped.
They bailed out of.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
And we haven't really talked to them since, but the
thing that they did was both ofthese people were declared SPs
and they could not speak withtheir family.
And one of the people herentire family was in Scientology
aunts, uncles, brothers,sisters, mother, father,
grandfather, grandmothers,everything they were all in

(47:52):
Scientology, yeah, and theylived minutes from them in LA.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
And I think at the time even her sister was still a
member of the Sea Organizationand had been a steward for David
, whatever his name is Miscavige.
Miscavige, miscavige I'm goingto have to retrain my brain now.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
It's not hard.
It's not hard, it's easy toremember.
By the way, I'm not short,shaming anybody, but my 12 year
old son is two inches tallerthan David Miscavige.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
You just wanted to say that for the record he's
going to be like 63.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
Anyway, but regardless, the deal they made
with them is that they couldspeak with their families if and
be undeclared, have norestrictions on them If they
didn't talk to us, if theydidn't work with us and if they
would basically tell themeverything they knew.
Right, and then bingo, theywere just undeclared.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
And the funniest part is oh yeah all the freeloader
bill was canceled.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
They had a you know tens or hundreds of thousands of
dollar freeloader bill.
Just like everybody else wholives in the organization and
and you know what, I I don'thave any ill feelings towards
those people.
I understand how the game isplayed and I just don't want to
play by Scientology's rules.
That's all right.
I don't, I don't, I don't haveill will towards you because you

(49:21):
wanted to have contact withyour family.
You know that's, that'sridiculous.

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Of course not.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Hold on.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
I want to pop up this comment here because it's
applicable to what we're talkingabout.
Oh shoot, I lost it.
Hold on.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Okay, good job there, you can, you can.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Okay, Um, you were going to anonymous protests, but
you weren't anonymous.
You were dressed as Mark whichis exactly what we said many,
many times.
This was also during the yearsof our lawsuit.
We were being deposed.
We had people showing up oh,you're part of anonymous.
And Mark and I were both likewe've never been anonymous.

(49:54):
Scientology has known who weare, where we live and
everything about us from day one.
How could we possibly beanonymous?

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah, I did play along and wear one of the Guy
Fawkes masks sometimes, but alot of times I would just show
up.
I mean, I'm showing up in mycar, which they have PIs
watching my house.
They know what my car lookslike, they know what my license
plate is.
So when I go and park on thecorner of where the protest is,
right next to the sign, thereare times that I went to protest

(50:22):
I parked in front of theHollywood Guarantee Building,
like in front, like there's abus stop, and then right behind
the bus stop there's a parkingspace.
I have parked in that spot whenI've gone to protest.
And then I put the mask on as Iget out of the car and I walk 10
steps to the front of thebuilding.
It's sort of like, yeah, I wastrying to fit into the anonymous

(50:45):
crowd, but you guys know who Iam.
They have pictures of me.
You know, I'm not the mostslender person, so this little
gut of mine is prettyrecognizable.
And also I w I've been probablywearing the same kind of shirts
and shorts for, you know, 30years.
That's my, that's my jam.
Okay, I'm not, I'm not, I'm notdressing up in.

(51:07):
What are those called thosetight jeans?
What are those called?
I don't know, I'm not dressingup in skinny jeans and, you know
, wearing tight white T-shirts.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Not wearing five piece suits, or you know.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
Whatever?

Speaker 1 (51:21):
So it was funny that they call this Mr and Mrs
Anonymous.
I would always say I don'tthink they know what anonymous
means.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
You can't know the person.
And that was another funnything when we were in our
lawsuit and in certaindepositions they'd be like do
you know who Bloddy Blah is?
I'd be like no.
And then they'd be like whatabout Bloddy Blah?
And they were giving all theseanonymous members real names and
I was like and they were all ofthe.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
It was like 20 names that they gave us.
They were like we demand to seeevery communication you've had
with this whole long list ofpeople.
And we were like who the hellare these?
We have no idea.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
Yeah, any of these.
And then later on we found out,when we searched them up, we
found out.
I think I only found one or twopeople who they were.
Yeah, and they were anonymous.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
They used to be anonymous yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Even that they had that list was so creepy.
Well, because they would get.
They would.
They would scan plates and theywould get, they would follow
protesters home and follow themon the train.
If they took the train right,they had teams of people that
would literally, if they didn't,uh, integrate into the protest
that they would then just followpeople.
And, um, that's not creepy, um,following protesters home from

(52:43):
anonymous protests.
Um, but either way, um, wedidn't know who any of these
people were because they wereanonymous.
You, mohia?
Um, so that's the latest thing.
We didn't respond to the email.
Well, what I mean?
What are they going to do?
They're going to be like, oh,the headley said, uh, this,
never, this is not a big deal.

(53:04):
No, whatever, they're going towrite, they're going to write.
And also, somebody sent me ascreenshot of a tweet they did a
few weeks ago.
I can't remember what it wasabout something I did, some
horrible crime that I didAlleged, yeah, and it had 47
views and I was like I was likeI was like when we don't have

(53:28):
that many views on our videos.
Sometimes we we've got a fewvideos that maybe have a hundred
, 50,000 or 200,000 views orwhatever.
That's on the high end,probably for sure.
But most of our videos havelike five, 10,000 views.
You know, maybe even let me3000 views, and I'm just like
doesn't much matter, I'm doingthis in my basement.

(53:49):
You're a multi-billion dollarorganization.
You've got 47 views, you guys?
I mean you have long hours, butthe time is not being spent
efficiently.
I don't know what to tell you.
If I was going to do hatevideos on somebody, I think I
could pull a hundred views.
That's double the multi-billiondollar group.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
More to the point is we don't do hate videos.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
No, we're just trying to educate, exactly.
I don't want to hate on anybody.

Speaker 2 (54:15):
Educate and expose abuse.
That's the reason we're herehere and again document that
still to this day, scientologycontinues to actively fair game
us, despite the fact that weleft 20 years ago and we're just
getting on with our lives andtalking about david miscavige's
control hey, come on, miscavigecome on you're gonna write me up

(54:41):
now.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Send me to cramming anyway, I gotta put this up here
.
I'll pop that alexmicromanaging for the microman
oh, there you go um again, I'mnot short shaming anybody, I'm
just stating the facts.
He is what he is.
He's 413.
My son's taller than that, umI'm trying to think if there's
anything else they've been doinglately to mess with us.

(55:02):
I think the video that theysent me was about stuff I was
doing when I was six, about howI was trying to.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Yeah, no, we have heard they've been putting up
all kinds of new hate videos.
On the hate side.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
The word on the street is they're getting it's
getting busy over there at OSAin the heavily hate side.
The word on the street isthey're they're getting it's
getting busy over there at OSAin the heavily hate department.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
And, of course, you know, okay, if that's the price
that we have to pay to continueliving with Scientology's fair
game and continuing harassmentfor the freedom to speak out,
the freedom to help other peopleget out, through the work of
the Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation, putting up
billboards and many otherexciting campaigns that we'll

(55:43):
talk about when we next do ourdedicated aftermath video, then
great, so be it.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yeah, the aftermath is slaying it right now yeah,
completely.
And also I do have somebodyfrom the short community.
I'm a very short person.
We don't claim Miscavige as oneof ours.
He is a different species oftiny, okay good.
So see, we've gotten the greenlight from the short Kings
community and we're good.

(56:11):
Nobody's stepping on any toeshere, but he's not short, he's
micro, that's a totallydifferent thing.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Yeah, micro psychopath.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Micro psycho, micro psycho that could be new merch
Comedy.
Click clickety and the bloopitybloops down in the comments.
If we should do the micropsycho, let's do some questions.
Oh, here's a good we got.
Oh, this is super chat in hereeven.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Wow, clay's closet.
Thank you.
Keep up the amazing work hereand with aftermath.
You are both such kind peoplewith so, so much empathy, which
most don't have.
Love the hell's angels.
Look, sir, and how y'all makeeach other laugh tons.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Yeah, Thank you for that Crazy Next month we are
coming up on our 33rd weddinganniversary.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Honey, crazy, crazy, you don't have to tell me man,
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
We did all these.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Maybe for our 33rd anniversary we should do a part
two of marriage in the Sea Organd talk about all the crazy
specific stories about thatFollow up on our wedding video.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Put it on the list.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Okay, love Food Kitchen.
These thumbnails are gettingmore and more sinister each week
.
At the moment, gone are thecute Markabians, the tiny
tyrants, the teen matinee idols,replaced by wall of fire terror
.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Yeah, this is a serious business, scientology
and they want to.
If they want to charge peoplemillions of dollars to find out
about the space cooties, thenI'm 100% going to tell people
about it for free, because I'mbasically saving these
Scientologists, saving themhundreds, if not millions,
hundreds of thousands, if notmillions, of dollars.
I'm doing a service, acommunity service, here, folks.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, and, more importantly, definitely don't
spend hundreds of thousands, upto millions of dollars unless
you know for sure that yourfamily is at risk, your children
are at risk and Scientologywill do anything and everything
in their power to destroy you ifyou change your mind.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, I think on Tony's site I think it was this
last week he had these twolittle girls that joined up for
the Sea Org and I was just likeyou've got to be kidding me.
Those poor little girls, I meanthey were young, they were like
teens, I mean I'm guessing 15,16, 18, something like that.
Anyway, it's a horrible thing.

(58:38):
That anybody could bebamboozled in this day and age
to join the C organization isinsane.
And also, I do want to say evenwhen we were still there in the
nineties and the two thousands,a lot of these young
Scientology kids that werecoming in were getting eaten up
and chewed and spit out.
There was a lot, especially alot, of the famous kids that had

(59:01):
rich parents.
There was an opera singer inScientology and her daughter,
one of her daughters, went intothe Sea Org and the word on the
street is that this girl waspretty messed up from the
nonsense in the Sea Org and alot of the people that knew her
before and after were like theyreally broke her.

(59:23):
They just she was in a bad wayfor a while.
I don't know if she still is, Idon't know if she got better,
but um, this, was.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
Hopefully she got far , far away from all that abuse
yeah, it's no, it's no fun no,it's not brian question.
How is it that the scientologywhales don't know how empty the
orgs are?
Do they receive their auditingoutside of the empty buildings?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
That's a great question.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
It is a great question.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
A lot of these people that give a ton of money.
They go to the Florida, they goto Flag.
If you have a lot of money inScientology and you're still
going to your local organization, that's a giant red flag.
You're still going to yourlocal organization.
That's a giant red flag youshould have.
If you, if you had a hundredthousand dollars and you gave it
to your local organization, youwould run out of stuff to do

(01:00:10):
there.
You couldn't keep giving themmore money.
You're going to run out ofthings to do.
You have to go to an advancedorganization, which is a
advanced organization, which isadvanced organization Los
Angeles, uk, eu, africa,australia.
You have to go to one of thoseadvanced organizations.

(01:00:30):
That's where Space Cootietraining starts.
At the advanced organization.
There's no Space Cootie info atyour local organization.
That's just a great way to lookat it yeah nothing happening at
the local organization hasanything to do with space
cooties or xenu or body thetansor however you want to talk
about it.
Um, that all happens at anadvanced organization, um, which

(01:00:56):
the ones we listed out, or atthe flag land base, which is in
clear downtown Clearwater, or atthe, their, their little
tugboat, the free winds, thewhat is it?
We used to call it the, theflea winds.
At the flea winds, asbestosheadquarters down in the

(01:01:18):
Caribbean Aruba, curacao, orBonair, abcs, aruba, curacao, or
Bonaire, abcs, aruba, bonaire,curacao.
Those are the only places youcan really find out about the
space cooties and the aliens.
Yeah, so, if you're still in ascience, if you're in a
Scientology organization rightnow and you're watching this
video, and you haven't heardabout Lord Xenu, the body
Thetans, that's all legit.

(01:01:40):
We, we, she, she, she did.
Claire did all that.
She knows they.
They're real and also, as a, asa interesting fact that maybe
not not a lot of people know,when hubbard died, he was still
trying to figure out how to getrid of some pesky space cooties
that he had just not been ableto shake.
He knew these space cooties werestill in him even though he'd

(01:02:04):
done all the way up to OT8.
Ot9 was him trying to figureout how to get rid of those
space cooties, and he couldn'teven stick with it.
He had to go write MissionEarth space porn for a few years
and then he died, and then hecouldn't figure out how to get
the rest of his little spacecooties.
So if Hubbard never figured itout, I seriously doubt Miscavige

(01:02:26):
is going to figure it out.
Ok, those your space cootiesare there to stay.
Ok, scientology might have away to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Or not or they were never there in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
Oh no, they're powerful.
I use my space cooties.
Bts activate oh shit, I got to.
Bts activate.
Yeah no, you have to harnessthe power of the space cooties.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Okay, okay, calm, calm down.
I would like to add to thisquestion, though, before we move
along, that we have also heardfrom many people under the radar
that Scientology switched gearsto having many of the LA
Scientologists move toClearwater to again and we've
talked about this before but tobuild up an isolated you know

(01:03:11):
block, not a city ofScientologists.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
So yeah, yeah, yeah.
And also, to be fair, that wassort of my job at Golden Era
Productions.
Or the job of Golden EraProductions is to put on, make
these videos and put on theseevents, which is Hollywood movie
magic, to make it look likethese organizations are just

(01:03:35):
teeming with folks, justoverflowing.
They've got to build a newplace because we can't even fit
into the old place that was inthe strip mall next to the dog
groomer.
I'll tell you what the placethat was next to the strip mall
by the dog groomer was twice asbusy as this giant mansion that
they set up in the same town,where there's three people in

(01:03:58):
there doing Scientology.
When there's three people nextto the place next to the dog
groomer, it looked like we'redoing okay, but when you put
those same three people in a50,000-square-foot facility,
good luck finding them.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Right, yeah, and the work of Golden Era Productions,
of course, is now done by SMPScientology Media Productions in
Los Angeles, so they're stillgoing on doing that.
Same old, same old.
Did you all see the billboardin Los Angeles Scientology had
put up that someone wrote F?
Ice?
I can't remember who postedthat, but one of the LA people,

(01:04:31):
Hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Oh, like on our billboard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I don't know, I hadn't heard of that.
Well, you know what?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
I will get.
I will use this as an excuse toplug Lamar.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Lamar has been amazing.
The billboard company in LosAngeles.
Yeah, if there's somethingwrong with the billboard, let us
know, because we just tellLamar and if they haven't fixed
it already, they'll just put upa new billboard.
It's part of our contract withthem.
Any destruction or any kind ofdamage that happens to the
billboard, they will replace itas part of the contract.

(01:05:03):
So go to theaftermathfoundationorg.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
And you can go to contact us and send us an email.

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah, just let us know what the nearest cross
streets are and we'll get thatscooped up, if that's possible.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
We have lots of people in L in LA who can go
scope it out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Yeah, I did not know that I don't.
I'm not on social media toenough.
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Question Can you make a micro Davy doll?
We have?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
those?
What do you think these are?
These are fake Navy Davies.
These are captain Chucklesworth.
These are the tiny tyrant, themicro psycho we got.
I got to add that as a new, anew product description.
You know we have, if you go onto the SP shop dot com yes, the
SP shop dot com All of theproceeds that come from, all of

(01:05:56):
the proceeds from the SP shopcomgo to the Aftermath Foundation
and that is where you can getthese little fake Navy Davies,
whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
Heidi says those are life-size.

Speaker 1 (01:06:11):
No, these are actually bigger.
Sorry, that's not arepresentative of actual size,
these are bigger.
But also, hey, these dosomething.
Check this out.
I'll show you guys.
You see that you can.
You can put them on things likelook, this guy's riding the
rocket over here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Okay, that's what he likes to do.
There we go.
Thank you, Clara she added thelink in the chat for the SP shop
.

Speaker 1 (01:06:39):
Do we have micro?
I'm all over that.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
I've had these things for two years micro Davy doll
um and um.
Hold on just to answer anotherquestion here, fyt 54321 just
put it up okay that's the reasonthey do it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
They want us to read it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
They want us everybody to see that they're,
they're, they're okay, isn'tlamar the same company that
instantly caved and removed the,the board that went up two
blocks from big blue?

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
no, that was clear channel that's right, that was
clear channel.
Clear channel, not a fan um.
Lamar, they're doing good, yeah, um, and also, to be fair, they
have been up lamar's and oh,they have been causing so much
trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
And again we'll do an Aftermath Foundation update
where we just do an hour of allthe updates on our programs and
so forth.
We do prefer to keep thatseparate to this channel, though
of course we support theAftermath Foundation and we're
on the board and that's all.
Volunteer.
We do not get paid, it's justwork.

(01:07:41):
We do because it's the rightthing to do.
Yeah, uh, child of cascadiaquestion are miscavages, space
cooties tinier than everyoneelse's so they can fit on him?

Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
that's a good question, it's a great question
now you guys got to knowsomething about these space
cooties and I don't want to makethis a space cootie episode.
But in Scientology, don't you?
You can, hey, come on InScientology.
They think you have millionscould be millions of these space

(01:08:16):
cooties in you.
And when you go in sessionyou're supposed to go in session
sometimes a few times a daywhen you get into the space
cootie eviction level, which isOT7, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
It starts at OT3.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Okay, starts in OT3, but it goes from OT3 to OT7.
That's all space cootiemaintenance slash evictions and
you could evict 10,000 at a time.
If there's a cluster of them,you could go identify them and
then you tell them to get out.
Right, you tell them you got toget out of here, go find
someplace else.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
I mean, you don't literally tell them that.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
In your mind, you do with your mental masturbation,
whatever they're doing, andthose things.
Yeah, okay, either way.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
The idea, whatever they're doing in those things.
Yeah, okay, either way the ideais to release them.
You know, whatever it's release, it's really semantics.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
On whatever you're, you say tomato I say fuck that
anyway, um, they, they'reevicting these space cooties and
with also for hundreds ofthousands of dollars over the
years, that you're between ot3and ot7, and on ot8 you find out
that you're between OT3 and OT7.
And on OT8, you find out thatyou created the space cooties.

(01:09:24):
You find out you created thespace cooties on OT8 and that
you're basically a god.
And even though that's what youfind out on OT8, hubbard was
still trying to evict spacecooties after ot8.
So he was trying to shockhimself with e-meters that had

(01:09:44):
car batteries wired to them toshock out these last.
They're like barnacle spacecooties.
They're just hanging on fordear life, but not they could
not evict them.
They were space cootiesquatters.
They would not leave and hecouldn't get rid of them.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Yeah, reminds me of some people in the Sea
Organization currently to thisday doing David Muscovage's
dirty work, like the WarrenMcShane's of the world and the
Jenny Linson's, but basicallyhis space cooties are probably
maybe a little smaller thaneverybody else's.

Speaker 1 (01:10:16):
The other thing is, like I've been saying, the space
cooties are probably maybe alittle smaller than everybody
else's.
The other thing is, like I'vebeen saying, the space cooties,
you have to harness the power ofthe space cooties.
If you've got space cootiesthat are really into baking like
be a baker man, harness somespace cootie culinary skills and
shit.
My space cooties just like toeat.

(01:10:38):
So that's all I got going forme in that department.
Okay, what else we got here?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Okay, antonia, since OSA has to watch all these
videos, have any of them left?
Yeah, there's been a bunch ofpeople who have left from OSA
Office of Special Affairs, forsure, yep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Yeah, and also a lot of them are passing away,
because most of the folks in OSAare, I want to say, in their
40s, 50s and 60s.
At least there's a whole bunchof 50s and 60s.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
And there's a bunch in their 70s.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
I was going to say there's a bunch of the 70s.
I mean these guys were in theGuardian's office.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
So they were around in the 70s and they're still
there.
Yeah, exactly the one that theygot rid, the people that they
got rid of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
They're still there.
Yeah, Okay, John, Kalisasuggestions start calling orgs
stores there you go Well, see,this is another.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
this is a good comment because I like this.
That is what they are.
They're Scientology stores,right, but when?
If we?
But if we water down theScientologies too much, then
Scientologists don't think thatwe were Scientologists.
So even I saw a comment on avideo the other day I don't look

(01:11:53):
at the comments all the time,but I do see them every once in
a while.
I'll just check on the channeldashboard and it said this guy
didn't even read Dianetics.
That's their main book.
I don't think he was aScientologist and that is a very
good point, and I should haveread Dianetics, but it was a
long, boring pile of turd so Ididn't want to have to deal with

(01:12:16):
it and I didn't actually everread it.
So you know, I that made that'sprobably a good thing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yep Love it.
Question has Scientology everdone AI hate videos or is it all
?

Speaker 1 (01:12:33):
verbal with pics Mostly just our relatives.
Yeah, people that work with mymom, my sisters, my stepdad my
mom, my cousin, my mom, mysister.

Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
I mean, hey, nothing says cult louder than POW videos
from our very own familymembers.
I mean, come on.
Scientology I was born intoScientology.
My mother joined the Corganization when I was four
years old.
Scientology, my mother joinedthe C organization when I was
four years old.

(01:13:04):
So I whatever it is is in yourhate videos that's from
Scientology.
And yes, I got the heck out themoment I was able to.

Speaker 1 (01:13:09):
Yeah, that is another good point which I do bring up
sometimes, which is they'resaying that I was this horrible
person that grew up inScientology, and I think that's
why they started shifting tothese videos of stuff I did when
I was six, because I reallyhadn't done much Scientology
when I was six, so that's when Iwas.
That's when my space cootieswere just like just wired.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Oh, my gosh Code monkey question Is there
anything you will not eat due tobad experiences or triggers?
From the Int Base Cafe?

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
I know that's a really good question.
You know what?
Which one I don't want to eat.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Must go stew.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Must go stew yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
If you guys haven't had the very, very interesting
dish must go stew.
It's everything in the fridgethat must go and it goes into a
stew, right, and it's usually atthe end of the week when
they've run out of money.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
So there was, there was.
You know they're running out ofstocks and they don't have
money approved, so they wouldjust literally throw it all in
the pot.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Throw it in the pot.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Mine, my.
I mean I had really really badfood poisoning there twice.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Did you eat those tacos that one time?

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Yes, I did it was literally the worst, in fact-.

Speaker 1 (01:14:26):
Is the taco story in my book.

Speaker 2 (01:14:29):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
If you want to know about the famous taco incident,
you got to read the book.

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
But it is a it has to do with rancid oil, weevils and
a few other nasty things that Ireally don't want to
particularly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
It's a pretty shit-tastic story.
There were people lined up.
It was like they were queuingfor a concert, but they were
just trying to get into thebathrooms that day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
Yeah, and that was a problem because, as we've talked
about before, there was adistinct lack of toilet paper on
that property.
So that was a big.
That was a shitty day.

Speaker 1 (01:15:02):
It was literally like there were probably 30 toilet
desks that day they were.
Those toilets got murdered.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
Yeah, so I will say it's.
I don't particularly.
I will still eat tortillas, butI will say that the three times
I've had food poisoning sinceleaving like, that's it,
wherever it came from that place.
I'm never going there again,and not even to try, not
interested at all.
Love it.
Wonder how many people theysent emails to who are no longer

(01:15:32):
alive.
Yeah, exactly, that's one ofthe most commonly asked things
of the Michael J RenderAftermath Foundation how do we
get off the list?
So now we've developed thiswhole like you know all the
steps you can take.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
Just so you guys know , scientology has a software
suite that they pay for.
It's one of the most advancedand thorough skip trace
softwares that you can buy andwhat they've done is they have
integrated their entire contactlist into this skip trace

(01:16:12):
program and basically what itdoes is if they, let's just say
they have a list of 30,000people, let's just say they have
a list of 30,000 people, thatlist, their software is
constantly scrubbing theinternet for their cell phone,
for their social, for theirlatest this, anything that is on
the web.
Their software is scraping andupdating their contact card for

(01:16:36):
you with that info.
So I've heard stories Peoplehave written in saying they were
in Scientology in 1972 andthey're getting emails or mail
from Scientology and theyhaven't been into a Scientology
organization since the earlyseventies and somehow they have
their current cell phone numberand address.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Yeah, and and remember that you actually got
very specific information aboutthis one fine day, when we were
called and told, like four yearsafter we were declared-
Somebody called me from the LosAngeles org.
It was the Inglewood.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Inglewood org that I had never been to in my life.
Right, somebody called me fromthere.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
We were by now already in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yeah, I'd already written a book about Scientology
and they called and asked if Iwanted to come and help do the
renovations of this new buildingthat they bought, and I I
almost went.
I was, I was debating, I wasdebating, going and just at
least showing up and being likehey, I'm here to do the
renovations.

(01:17:41):
I'm good at electrical concrete, stone, veneer plumbing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:45):
I'm sure it's no surprise to anyone here that
Mark likes to get you know onceyou get him talking and telling
stories.
He has a gay old time.
So when this person called hejust kind of like thought you
know what?
I'm just going to have a reallygood conversation with this
person and she and shedownloaded so much she spilled

(01:18:05):
this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
She spilled so many beans.
I thought she was uh, what isthat jack and the beanstalk?
I mean, there were beanseverywhere with this cow, he
told me.
She's actually the one who toldme that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Yeah, I know, that's why I brought it up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
Yeah, she told me.
I said wow, I didn't know.
I gave you guys my new number,but I'm glad you called I love
hearing news.
And she told me oh, we havethis really super, super awesome
program.

Speaker 2 (01:18:34):
I'm really impressed.
How did you you know, how'd youget this number?
And she just filled the beans.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Yeah, she told me this whole thing they had and I
was like oh really, ohinteresting.
Thank you for telling me thatyes, exactly.
She said it was the mostadvanced program that would
update contacts that you canpossibly get.
Yes, I mean that could be thestory they're telling everybody.
But I mean they did have abrand new cell number.

(01:19:03):
Yeah, that I didn't have when Iwas even in the C organization.

Speaker 2 (01:19:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
And it was from an organization that I'd never been
to, so it was definitely weird.

Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
Okay, we'll do a few last comments and questions and
then we'll do our giveaway andwrap it up for this fine Sunday,
sp Danny.
Then we'll do our giveaway andwrap it up for this fine sunday,
sp danny.
Hey mark, can we still emailyou if we think we have a pi
following us around?

Speaker 1 (01:19:23):
I remember hearing you say we could in a past
podcast sure, if you takepictures or whatever, the thing
that I don't want people to dois don't.
I don't think you should runfrom them or try to evade them
any.
If there's any kind of safety,you know, like if it's on the
road and you have a PI followingyou in another vehicle, if you

(01:19:44):
feel like you're in danger, thenabsolutely call the local law
enforcement and tell them thathey, I am in this kind of world
and I think the Scientologyprivate investigator, just
somebody's following me a reportand if nothing comes of it,
nothing comes of it, but atleast it'll.
It'll be a document, but, um,but don't, don't.

(01:20:05):
I wouldn't confront them, Iwouldn't, uh, cause a scene, I
would definitely don't engage,just do your.
Just do your thing.
I mean, I used to say if you'redoing nonsense and you're being
followed by scientology, thenthey got you right where you
want, where they want you,because they want to smoke out
some nonsense.
If you're not up to nonsenseand it's sort of like you know

(01:20:27):
you're going to see what kind ofeggs and cereal you buy at the
grocery store or where you liketo go get coffee it's like who
cares really what?
What kind of nonsense is that?

Speaker 2 (01:20:36):
Yeah, Most of the time the only.
It's really for the impact andreaction from you.
That's what they're trying toget.
Okay, let's do one.
Oh, Matt, Denny.
Hey, Matt question how longdoes it take for you to trust
new people?
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I think we sort of have a good radar for that kind
of stuff these days.
And also, we kind of we're not,you know, we're not going
clubbing, we're not going to,you know, mixers.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
No, we're like we spend time with our kids.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
It's like if you're not in our circle, our pets,
you're not going to hang outwith our neighbors and that's
really.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
And you know, of course we talk to a lot of
different people.
I don't know.
I try not to focus on who wecan trust or not trust, though I
mean it is an element, it'sundeniably an element, but we
had some friends I don't mindtelling this story.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
We had some friends that we met in the last few
years and a lot of ourScientology friends were
convinced that these new friendsthat we made were spies.
There was no, there was spies.
There was a lot of coincidenceson how they kind of ran into us
and that they knew us beforethey ran into us.
And one of the people was avery big fan of Depeche Mode and

(01:21:52):
we actually met at a DepecheMode concert.
They were sitting next to us ata Depeche Mode concert.
Okay, now, I don't know if youguys go to concerts, but if you
try to get the seats next tosomebody that you don't know
where their seats are, and evenif you do know where their seats
are and you're trying to sitnext to them at a sold-out
concert, I mean, and I even toldthis, we had dinner with them

(01:22:16):
about a few weeks ago orwhatever, and I told him if you
guys work for Scientology,you're the best goddamn fucking
spies that they've ever had.
And I told her that to theirfaces.
I'm like, and you've probablyspent a good 20, $30,000 on
Depeche mode concerts.
And I went, we've been, I'vebeen to several concerts with
these people in the last fewyears.

(01:22:36):
So I mean, if you're playingthe game and you're that
hardcore, then hats off man.
And I'm not giving, I'm nottelling these people operational
info.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
That's going to jack me up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:49):
I'm just like I'm me.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
And they've also come up with some really, really
good ideas to help the work thefoundation does.
And also, too, I just want tosay our friends can think
whatever they want.
We're not going to decidesomebody is a spy because
somebody else thinks they're aspy.
You know, it's we.
We just have always made ourown decisions about that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:12):
Yeah, and we also sometimes still talk to people
that used to be kind of workingwith OSA here and there, right,
like like they were reporting toOSA, would ask them questions
and they'd tell them somethingor be like I don't know, I don't
know anything about that.
And then sometimes they'd say,yeah, I don't know how Mark
bought that new car, I don'tknow what he's doing for who,
but he does have a new car, youknow, and I'm, you know, I'm

(01:23:34):
just like okay, whatever that,okay, whatever that's not, no,
Like we said, it's not that bigof a deal.

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
No, we have nothing to hide.
We just work hard and do whatwe do, so we're going to keep
doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:45):
Awesome, let's do some giveaways.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Oh, I pushed the wrong button.
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Yay.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
You guys ready for this?

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
Yeah.
So just to reiterate the rulesof this little giveaway If
you've posted a comment in thechat, you are automatically
entered to win something and youget to choose whatever it is
you'd like from either the BFGmerch store or the SP shop.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And any comment is entered.
So you may have entered.
You may have commented five orsix times.
It's only going to use you as adraw.
It's only going to draw from.
Yeah, you'll only get pickedonce's only going to draw from.

Speaker 2 (01:24:20):
Yeah, you'll only get picked once.

Speaker 1 (01:24:23):
Yeah, however, that will get drawn, yeah, drawn.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Oh my gosh, we're falling apart.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
now it's time to move along here with our running on
a real lean mixture right now.
Folks, it's a couple ofsandwiches short of a big.
Yeah, oh, I almost won.

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Oh nice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:37):
Oh, Dalton almost won Lupita.
There you go, Lupita.
I don't think Lupita won again.
Has she ever won before?

Speaker 2 (01:24:45):
I don't think so, but I saw her comment that to pray
for people in Texas that arebeing impacted by flash floods
currently.
So we please all stay safe.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
Email Claire, you know the normal routine.
Lupita, you're a frequent flyer.
You Email, claire.
You know the normal routine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:59):
Lupita, you're a frequent flyer, you know what to
do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:00):
Yes, you know what to do, awesome guys.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Congratulations, lupita.

Speaker 1 (01:25:05):
I lost my mouse.
It's gone forever.

Speaker 2 (01:25:08):
That's fun.
Yep I really did you want me totake over?

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
I just don't know where it went.
I don't know.
Hold on, I'll find it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Just keep talking.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
You read some comments or something while I
try to figure out what happenedhere.
I really did.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
That's great honey, that's super exciting.
It is kind of wild.
Let's see here.
Oh sorry folks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
I don't even know how to get that thing off this.
We've lost control, folks, oh,I literally.
You know, last week we had theinternet was jamming it up and
it was just you're doing okay.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Lynette says do you think dave is currently planning
his escape in preparation fromwhen for when shit hits the fan?
Um, you know, I don't thinkhe's planning to go anywhere or
turn over anything.
I'm sure he has um evolved hislevels of plans of how to
disappear and how to evadeprocess servers and things of
that nature.

(01:26:04):
That's what I think.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Are you seeing this?

Speaker 2 (01:26:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Look at that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Oh, my gosh, wow.
So Mark's mouse is nowliterally on the desk, on the
table, and I can see it loud andclear, but he's I'm on another
computer, somehow it's literallylike the mouse just.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
I'm share screen One of your space.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Cooties went into your mouse and has now taken
over.

Speaker 1 (01:26:29):
But how do I get back to this screen?

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
I don't know, honey, it's a mystery.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
This has never happened before.
Babe, we've got space cootiecluster, it's just.
Can you control this thing?
Can you control stuff?
Yeah, I think so Can you goback to the normal thing?

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
Which one is the normal?
This one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
The one that says normal, that one, yeah, okay,
there you go, I did it, she didit.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
That was a close call .

Speaker 1 (01:26:55):
Can you go over where it says end stream right there
Can you go to end stream.
Can you go over where it saysend stream right there Can you
go to end stream.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Yep, I can.
Otherwise we'll be sitting herefor the next two weeks while
Mark figures out how to get his.
Yeah, okay, I can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
Holy moly folks, sorry about that.
I was going to say we hadinternet space cooties last week
and we I didn't get rid of anyof them, I just transferred them
from the interwebs to me.
So our internet's good and nowI'm more powerful.
But we had literally we had thecable company get back out here

(01:27:31):
and they scrubbed everythingdown and everything is amazing
now.
So we should be out of thespace cootie realm on the
interwebs Fingers crossed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
We should be out of the space cootie realm on the
interwebs Fingers crossed.
Our recent speed tests haveshown that many, many space
cooties were eliminated in thatprocess.
They weren't eliminated.

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
They were transferred .

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Whatever you want to say they were relocated
peacefully and veryintergalactically you can't say
humanely.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
You have to say intergalactically it was, our
method was approved by theHumanely would be judgmental of
space goodies.
It was approved by the GalacticFederation.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
They approved the relocation plans for the space
goodies.
Thank you guys for joining us.
Thank you for joining us.
We appreciate you.
We'll keep going despitewhatever.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Office of Special Affairs throws at us next, if
you want us to review some ofyour products that are on Amazon
.
We can't because we shut thecompany down 11 years ago.
Scientology is hot on our trail.
They're only 11 years behind.
We've got 11.
We can get up to nonsensetomorrow, and it's going to be

(01:28:36):
in a video in 2037.

Speaker 2 (01:28:38):
So I guess that means we have a lot of upcoming
content.
I won't even be here.

Speaker 1 (01:28:44):
Okay, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
All right, been real, take care.

Speaker 1 (01:28:47):
Till next time.
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