September 16, 2025 • 60 mins
Marc and Claire Headley discuss their upcoming joint podcast interview, their first time sharing their full Scientology experiences together, and answer audience questions about the inner workings of the organization.
• Recently recorded a two-part, 12-hour podcast interview covering both Mark and Claire's escapes from Scientology
• Latest information on Shelly Miscavige shows she was registered to vote at a remote Church of Spiritual Technology location in Petrolia, California
• Office of Special Affairs can track escaping members through airline reservation systems and has intercepted people during escape attempts
• Sea Org food was so bad that sneaking out for Jack in the Box at 3am was considered a major treat
• Religious Technology Center roles included Inspector General positions for Ethics, Admin, and Tech, which have since been eliminated by David Miscavige
• Former members still struggle with habits formed in Scientology, particularly eating quickly and working constantly
• No clear succession plan exists for leadership after David Miscavige, likely creating organizational chaos when he dies
• Scientology claims to accept members of all religions but gradually prohibits any religious practice outside of Scientology
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to a new episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed or Exposing Scientology.
Why do I always mix it up?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's just one of those days.
Happy Sunday, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire.
There she is.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Here I am.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We did a few little tweaks in the studio, so let me
know in the comments if you canhear us and see us and all that
happy hoo-ha.
It appears that people can hearus because they're telling us
already where they're watchingfrom Perfect, wildly and quickly
.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Very good.
Thank you, folks.
We appreciate yourparticipation here at Alone for
Good Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Is it Scientology Exposed or is it Exposing
Scientology?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I thought it was Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, well, we'll go with that for now.
Um, we do like to do a thingwhere we find out where
everybody's watching from.
It gives just a few minutes forpeople who've got the
notification to get off theirass, get to a computer or their
phone or whatever they're doing,or if they want to stay on
their ass, it's okay too.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah that's probably a better viewing spot.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yes, I see somebody who's like channel name is
Scientology exposed.
Okay, thank you for telling us.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Thank you, trevon, on I don't know why I always get
get it mixed up.
I think because Mike's channelwas called something very
similar.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes, yes and I think we had to kind of do something,
got our wires crossed, yepanyway.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So, uh, do you want to give some shout outs to uh,
to all those people?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
yes, sir, sherry.
Hello to all from moorhead,minnesota, happy to catch
another live.
Well, we sure do appreciate youbeing here.
Thank you, uh, trevon on.
Good evening from theNetherlands.
I love our Netherlands friends.
Gretchen, philly.
Hello from Philadelphia.
Mary Kay, london.
(02:12):
So much going on football on theTV, baseball on the iPad and
this on my phone.
Talk about multitasking, lol.
Hi from Albuquerque, new mexico.
Yes, we, we have on our agendafor today to watch the broncos
game.
Just saying, uh, manon, hi all.
Greetings from the netherlands.
I'm on the replay crew, spendthe weekend with my
(02:34):
three-year-old granddaughter, um, so this nana is knackered,
knackered.
Yeah, there you go, heather, hi, heather.
Hi.
Mark, hi.
Claire Bear, looking forward tothis.
Love from California.
Thank you, heather, appreciateit.
Cher.
Hello from the Netherlands.
Deborah.
Good afternoon from WisconsinDells.
Happy to catch a live.
(02:55):
Awesome, we appreciate youbeing here.
Poodlebone, hello from New YorkCity, nice, sarah.
Hello from Liverpool, uk.
Becky, big brother fan.
Good evening from the UK.
Yay, uk represent.
Valerie.
Hi from British Columbia,israel.
Hi from Arizona.
Carla hi from England, nice,love it.
(03:20):
Brian.
Hi from Portland, oregon, nice.
Lindsay.
Hi guys from Kilseth, scotland.
Wow, very cool.
Not so fast, mark Monica,florida.
(03:41):
I would like the volume alittle louder, can you?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
turn up your TV or your device.
Do we have to turn up ourdevice?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
here I'll turn it up a little bit.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is that louder?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Sounds louder to me.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Okay, we'll do it.
Okay, let's do this.
I'm up for requests.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Lindsay, we did that one, we're good.
Hi from Scotland, jess.
Happy Sunday from Claire'shometown of Manchester, uk.
Woohoo, mancunian at heart,nashay.
Hello Headleys.
Greetings from Philadelphia,watching while I'm sewing a
quilt Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Nice, yes, okay, I think that's good.
We've already got 100 people inhere.
That's my limit, since it goesover 100, I'm like we're good to
go.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh hi, Salty Beach Girl Laurie, Good to see you
here.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't have that.
Oh, here we go, there we go.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there we go.
Salty Beach Girl Laurie, I madeit.
I seem to be rewatch crewlately.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Yes, everyone is doing well.
Yes, we're doing well.
We're a little the worst forwear this week, but other than
that everything's good.
(04:54):
Okay, hi from Sweden.
Hello.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Nice, ashley.
Hi from West Virginia, loveyour channel.
Well, thank you, okay.
Well, today we're going to dosomething a little different.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think you say that every time.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, that's because we're always doing different
stuff, I guess, uh, yeah, howabout that?
Um, we did a here.
Let me put this let me see ifthere's a way I can go to uh,
double, double jeopardy here yes, and what walmart does that?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
there we go betsy, sue, hello, thanks for joining
us okay, so, um, we traveledthis week.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We were gone for most of the week.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And we did a podcast and I will tell you, I've never
been on a podcast like thispodcast we were on this week.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
We recorded for two days, for basically two.
It'll be a two part podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It will be.
Yes, but it was like 10 AM to 7PM and then 10 AM to three 30.
And then we've we literallyleft and went straight to the
airport.
Yeah, it was a lot so we'll puta.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We'll put a post out on the community tab when that
comes out.
Yes, it will.
I'm almost sure it'll be in twoparts and I think they air one
part on Monday and then the nextpart on Wednesday, I think they
said.
So we'll see how it is, butwe'll put that out.
But it is the first time thatboth Claire and I have done a
(06:16):
long form interview of our sortof history, our story in
Scientology, and then kind of alittle bit of the aftermath
after we got out.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And also both of us talking simultaneously.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Not simultaneously.
We took turns.
I let her talk once in a while.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Really yeah, once in a while, as is the modus
operandi.
Let me get a word in edgewise.
No, but my point is it's the.
It's the first time we've doneus both talking about,
respectively, you, you escaping,me escaping, and how, what that
(06:58):
all looked like togethertogether, that will actually air
.
We have done it before, but itnever saw the light of day.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, well, we did that, we did.
We basically did the exactthing we did for ABC Nightline.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And then that show was nuked by ABC when it was
almost ready to go.
Yeah, but this is probablygoing to come out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We'll see it is going to come out.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If it comes out, I don't know if it's going to come
out this Monday or if it'sgoing to come out next Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think it's.
We don't know exactly when.
We'll let everybody know onceit comes out.
I'm very excited to see.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They had recorded other interviews so it was in
the pipeline of the other stuffthat they have to release.
So when it comes out, we'llgive you guys a heads up.
Yeah, today.
So the thing we wanted to dotoday, we haven't done this.
I think the last time we didthis was in March of this year,
where we did just a Q and A,where we just answer people's
(08:00):
questions about Scientology.
So if you have a question thatyou've been dying for us to
answer about Scientology, bleep,bloop it in the comments down
there and we're going to havethe mods are going to be going
through and if there's a goodquestion in there, we'll star it
and then we will go ahead andtry to answer it as best we can.
(08:23):
We haven't done these in a longtime because we've had so many
other things to talk about anddo and also, if there's other
things that you'd like us tocover, put it in the comments.
We did do a lot of Q&As.
I think we did almost like over40 episodes where we just
answered people's questions, orwe did a regular episode and
(08:44):
sometimes we do a little Q& a atthe end.
We're just going to do a Q anda for this whole episode and, as
always, I think I got to putthis in there.
There we go.
If you tell us where you'rewatching from, not only does it
give us a sense of where ourviewers and listeners are at,
but it also automatically entersyou to win a fake Navy, davey
(09:06):
doll, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Coming up on Christmas.
It makes for a good theme tojust have a little fun with a
pretty dark topic, Right?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I think that's it.
If you do have a question, ifyou just write question and then
write it, that way we can pickit out from you.
Know, bill from Philadelphia.
We can just see oh, question,question, questions makes it a
little easier for the mods sothey know you've got a question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Um, so let's put up the first one here.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, sounds good.
Sounds like a plan.
Becky, big brother fan LoveGood.
Sounds like a plan.
Becky, big brother fan Love.
A Q&A.
Remember Mike and Leah'spodcast, q&a 2.
Always so interesting.
Yes, the Fair Game podcast.
For anyone watching who hasn'tlistened to that, it's a great
series.
I think there was close there'sclose to 90 episodes if I'm not
mistaken All fascinatingconversations and I will say
(10:03):
from that podcast I I really sawthe benefit of having
conversations with people fromother cult-like or culty
organizations.
It's always so eyeopening tohear other perspectives and to
to draw parallels and so forth.
So Awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, here's a good question, good question.
It kind of answered thequestion that was right before
it too, about Shelly Yep, so Iwas just going to put that up
Question.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Any updates on Shelly Miscavige?
Nope, not not that we know of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think the last time we talked about Shelly was when
we found the the legal recordthat her voting registration,
her driver's license, had been.
Was it a voting it?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
was her driver's license, but I think that
there's a default in Californiawhen you renew your driver's
license to register as a voterand unless you uncheck that box
it just happens automatically.
So she was registered to votein Petrolia California, which is
the Church of SpiritualTechnology.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's the group or the organization within
Scientology that digs giantholes into mountains and puts
all of L Ron Hubbard's worksonto titanium plates and gold
records plates and gold recordsand then buries them inside the
mountain so that, if there is anuclear war, the only thing that
will be left will be theHubbard all of the technology
that L Ron Hubbard wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Because, of course, if there's a world ending event
or any kind of catastrophe, yourfirst priority would be to
retain we're going to need toknow how to get those touch
assist fired up, those funky,weird massages.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So she was at a location in Big Bear.
They have a Church of SpiritualTechnology CST location in Big
Bear, running Springs.
It's near it's Big Bear-ishadjacent, and then, based on
this voter registration,updating it showed that she'd
been moved to even a more remoteCST location and those
(12:29):
locations usually only have ahandful of people at the most
that are stationed at them.
And it was her and, I think,two or three other people that
all had the same registeredvoting address that were at that
location and I think one ofthose we didn't even recognize
the name.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
No, exactly, and I will say it's debatable if they
just took her there to renew herdriver's license, knowing that
it would become public record,or if she was actually there for
some period of time, but giventhe public attention correctly.
So on the question, where isShelley Miscavige?
Thanks to Leah Remini's policereport back in what was that?
(13:08):
2013 or 14.
Um it, it's not.
It's not.
Either of those options are alikely scenario.
I would say.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, yep, we have a question.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
All right, we have a question.
Let's do this.
Oh, ottman question how manyreports did the reports officer
RTC concern?
Rtc is Religious TechnologyCenter, the highest
(13:46):
ecclesiastical organization inScientology, run directly by
David Miscavige.
Religious Technology Center isthe police organization of
Scientology, also referred to asthe Inspector General Network,
and it was Hubbard mandate thatin every single organization on
(14:07):
the planet there was a reportsRTC reports box where people
could put in reports, and thenlater there was an online form
for that which has-.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
When you say there's an in every single organization
has an RTC reports officer box.
It's just like a wood box witha hole in the top of it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's a sealed yeah, it's a locked box because the
idea was that somebody anyone ina Scientology organization
should be able to reportcorruption or any kind of other
matters of RTC concern withoutit being intercepted.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Also, if you're reporting on something that's
happening at that organization,you don't want the head of that
organization to get your reportand then delete it or shred it
before it gets to RTC.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Exactly which has happened.
Gosh, now I lost my train ofthought.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So how many did they get?
Yes so was there a stat or wasthere?
Do you remember any of that?
Wasn't serena mckelvin thereports off for a while and then
and then, following her ummarina pazotti was the rtc
reports officer for a while andthen tammy wyckoff.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now tammy leak was um the rtTC reports officer for a
long time Did Tammy Wyckoff getmarried to Chris Leak?
She did, wow, yeah, right aftershe escaped and was intercepted
and then brought back.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And also Roanne left as well.
Roanne was married to Chrisbefore.
That, that's right, and sheescaped.
Wow, this guy.
If you want to escape andyou're in the seer at the base,
it seems like you need to getmarried to this kid named Chris
leak, because those gals aregetting out of there.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I see what you're saying, I see where you're going
with that, but so, yeah, itdepends depending on the time.
At least in the time I wasthere, there were reports coming
in like hundreds per week andthose would all get summarized
and copied to David Miscavige,Shelley Miscavige and executives
(16:18):
in Religious Technology Center.
The RTC reports officer wouldsometimes respond to those not
necessarily always justdepending on the topic at hand,
but yeah, that's how many werecoming in during the time I was
there.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
All right, jess.
Question With so many lawsuitsagainst Scientology, do you
think they will have an effectin some way with the ultimate
collapse of Scientology?
We've always believed thatevery single lawsuit exposes new
information and establishesprecedence, and so, like in our
(17:00):
lawsuit, certainly it had aneffect and just builds on public
record.
So, yes, I do.
You know, I don't know.
We've hoped for a long timethat significant things would
change.
It's been a slow roll.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I think one of the other things is that
Scientology, even though itexposes more things, they're
then able to steal themselvesagainst those things While the
lawsuit is going on.
They undo everything that makesthat a reality, that what's
being brought up in the lawsuit.
They either stop doing it orthey do it more discreetly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yes.
Or they changed their contractsto um to enforce, for example,
quote, unquote, arbitration andall these other things that were
were not even a a thing duringour lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, exactly, we didn't have.
We did.
That wasn't even a that wasn'teven an option that was
considered in our lawsuit,because their contracts at the
time and this is a good point,their contracts at the time were
illegal, so they weren't ableto enforce illegal contracts.
So they modified everyone'scontracts and then had everybody
(18:18):
re-sign them so that they couldbe more fluid with the current
laws at the time.
I like this question.
People ask this question allthe time, but one of the things
we have to sort of assume onYouTube is that some of the
people are watching, have neverheard the question or never
heard the answer, so we'll goahead and do it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, cher.
Sorry if this question has beenasked a million times, that's
okay, but do you have any ideawho will be the next leader of
Scientology when Miscavige dies?
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis this past week and Hubbard
did not have a clear, documentedsuccession plan, and neither
does David Miscavige.
(18:59):
Um, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's just ironic to me that by the nature of it he,
david Miscavige, expects toretain power.
Forever.
The other thing is that youhave to understand that David
Miscavige is the singular personwho knows everything about the
Scientology organization becausehe runs the lawyers directly
from Religious Technology Center.
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He also runs a lot of theOffice of Special Affairs
activities that's digging updirt on people.
He's the one who oversees that.
He oversees all the differentsilos of Scientology, of the
Scientology organization andincluding all of the different
Scientology organizations.
Because, ironically, he was putin charge of a project to do a
(19:53):
corporate sort out ofScientology so that L Ron
Hubbard couldn't be charged orarrested for for his, for his
endearment, for elron hubbard'sendearment.
And so when hub, when hubbarddirected muscavige to do that,
he basically was doing that fulltime up until hubbard's death
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and then when hubbard was gone,he was basically the one holding
all the bags that nobody elseknew what all these different
things were.
So and then one other point isthat he has shit-talked all of
the other executives that arethat used to run Scientology.
He has exposed all of theircrimes to all of the other
(20:38):
executives.
So whenever there's a, he'sdone this, miscavige has said I
want you to tell me who can bein charge of this organization
and this organization and in theprocess of just doing that, not
in charge of religioustechnology center but just
within the, it being in chargeof lower Scientology management
organizations they would alwaysfight over who could do what,
(21:01):
because they'd say, well,remember, you did this, so that
disqualifies you.
And then that person will belike well, you did this,
remember when Dave said you didall that, so you can't be in
charge.
So it's just a weird thing,where none of them are really
none of the lower executivesthat would take over, none of
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them have enough knowledge orpower or sort of immunity to say
I'm the one who's going to takeover, and it wouldn't just be a
total cluster.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, so it's definitely safe to say that when
David Miscavige dies, it'sgoing to be a complete cluster
to see what happens next.
So who knows?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, this is a good one.
I always like food questions.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Of course you do.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Question.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I didn't mean it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It wasn't like it wasn't a question.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was there ever any food you had during the sea org
that actually was healthy tasty?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know I did like the fried rice.
I'm a big fan of fried rice.
Every once in a while they makea decent fried rice.
It didn't have a lot of peasand carrots the proportions were
off, but it was a tad tasty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, I can't say that I have.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I put the camera on you while I talked, and then,
while you talked, I put it on me.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, that's okay, it happens.
I can't say that I have anysignificant food memories.
That's not what stands out.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I do remember.
I do remember one thing that wewould get, that was very, very
tasty.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jack in the crack.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Completely.
If we went to Jack in the box,I would get we'd always get the
same thing you would get abreakfast sourdough.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Sourdough breakfast sandwich.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, and we would get not onion rings mozzarella
sticks.
Yeah, and egg rolls and eggrolls, and sometimes, if I was
feeling really randy, I'd getmyself a double bacon cheese.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, but that was kind of on the down low.
We weren't really allowed to dothat, but because you had a
motorcycle I could zip downthere.
It was the first restaurantwithin like 10 minutes of the
property that I could jam to gothrough the drive-thru on my
(23:31):
bike and zip back before anybodyknew I was gone.
Yeah, so when you're operatingon very little money per week,
you can't afford to go to Jackin the Box very often.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That's true.
That's basically like a month'sworth of Sea Org pay to get a
good Jack in the Box, but youwould always radio me on the
Nextel radios at like three inthe morning.
Yeah, I'm just getting off work.
You want something?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
for Jack in the Crack , you know anyway.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know the other thing that I used to do and I
used to for for I don't know ifI've ever told this, I might
have, but because I was incharge of a film crew, we would
have to go on location and wewould do location shoots.
So I almost always had a van agolden era productions assigned
van to drive.
But the only way I could getthat is that same van had to be
used for a three o'clock run.
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That would take all of thereligious technology staff.
It would take them home atthree o'clock in the morning.
Yes, 3am, and then I and inorder to keep the van, I would
have to drive those people homeat 3am even though I still had
to get up at eight and bring myown crew.
I had to take them on a shootor whatever, but I'd be able to
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get that van at night.
And religious technology centerpeople at the base are the most
senior and sort of no-nonsensepeople at the base and going to
Jack in the Box was basicallynot allowed.
It was forbidden, yep, and Iwould take the RTC staff to Jack
(25:01):
in the Box on that 3 o'clockrun Like I would basically be
like.
You corruptor, I basically wouldbe like you guys, sure, you
just want to go straight home,or maybe we make a pit stop.
And most of the time they'd belike let's make a pit stop, mark
, and we would just hit that,drive through and uh, and and,
and sometimes I'd be like whatdo you guys want?
(25:21):
And then they'd tell me, andthen it'd be like what do you
want?
I'd be like I want this.
They'll be like we'll take careof it, and then they get me my
stuff and the stuff for Claireand Nothing tastes better than
Jack in the box at four o'clockin the morning.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Let me tell you, even if it's cold when you've been
living on Sea Org food it's likethe bomb.
Yeah so it's uh, it's kind ofsad.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, so the only the only reason I wanted to say
that is that gives you a.
That gives you a scale of howtasty the Sea Org food was.
That Jack in the box isbasically the best meal you're
going to get in a week, comparedto whatever you ate at the
property that entire week.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and, and the fried rice did not even touch
your current.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That's true.
I have a black stone and I makea mean fried rice, chicken
fried rice, fried rice, beeffried rice.
I do it Hibachi style.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, it's a hit.
It's a hit at our house.
Yeah, okay, that's a goodquestion.
I like food questions,food-based questions.
Okay, we already answered.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Clara says her fried rice is better than yours.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know how she can say that, if she hasn't
tasted it.
Pretty sure she has Vietnamese.
I want to say she hasVietnamese heritage, so let's
not go like that.
Okay, you should have betterrice than me.
That's how that works.
Let's not pretend that youdidn't have an unfair advantage,
(26:55):
okay.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Question what was the statistic of IG Ethics RTC and
IG Admin RTC?
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So I'm trying to remember, but IG Ethics
definitely had to do with Wellyou have to explain these things
Not everybody just grew up wasborn with Scientology
nomenclature programmed intotheir brain.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So IG Ethics was Inspector General for Ethics.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And that post was directly below David Miscavige,
correct.
There was IG Admin, ig Ethicsand IG Tech.
And that's gone now, they don'thave that anymore.
No, and that's gone now, theydon't have that anymore.
That was when L Ron Hubbardknew about RTC.
They had those and the idea wasthat you'd have these
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independent people that wouldn'tnecessarily be able to be
compromised by other people andthey had their own sort of
domain and David Miscavige heabsorbed those and he absolved
those, and the people that wereon those posts will tell them.
So chairman of the boardreligious technology center was
(28:05):
David Miscavige.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is to this day.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, yeah, but at the time when they had these
posts and then below him was IGethics and that was Marty
Rathbun.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For the most part.
At some point it was also MikeSutter.
With the top executive poststhey would rotate very
frequently and that's fair tosay, of any of the posts, so
when one person would get put onheavy manual labor as
punishment, someone else wouldstep in.
But Marty Rathbun was the, Ithink, the longest tenure on
(28:37):
that post.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, and then IG admin was a gentleman by the
name of Mark Yeager.
For the longest time he was thecommanding officer of the
Commodore's messengerorganization and that is the.
That is basically themanagement body that is is of
(29:10):
getting L Ron Hubbard's ordersand his directives done and
compl the technical areas ofScientology in the Commodores
Messenger organization under thepost of Senior Case Supervisor
INT.
And then he became IG Tech.
Mark Yeager became IG Admin andMarty was IG Ethics.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And then I want to say in the late 2000s maybe, or
the mid-90s, mid-90s, latemid-90s, late 90s- yeah, because
by the time I was moved intoReligious Technology Center,
Mark Yeager was now the head ofthe management organization and
Ray Madoff was in charge of techat that level.
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They were no longer inreligious technologies that are.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, so to get back to the statistics, yeah, so IG
ethics had to do so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
There was an ethics statistic called situations
found and handled and so it wasa cumulative of those that
statistic and a situation wouldbe any like non-optimum
situation.
So, for example, a lawsuitagainst Scientology is a
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situation and I mean you can'treally say it's found.
It's more like served, buthandled is means it's shut down
and concluded, but handled ismeans it's shut down and
concluded.
So that was IG ethics had to dowith situations found and
(30:47):
handled for all of Scientologyand situations that were such
that it would impact, forexample, Scientology's nonprofit
status or things of that level.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Was that reports off?
Was the reports off under IGEthics at that time?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, so that would make sense.
So they get a report in andthen, if it's nothing, they just
go whatever.
But if it's something, they gotto find out what exactly is
going on and then handle it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, okay.
And then IG admin had to dowith the number of executives
who were what's calledpermanently posted.
That means that they've donetheir full hat, they've studied
all policies relating to theirposition, they've they're
successfully performing theduties of that post and they've
received false purpose rundown,which is to remove, find and
hand, find and remove any evilpurposes towards scientology and
(31:43):
david miscavige yes, that'sright.
Um, so it had to do with,essentially, the structure and
performance of scientology iswhat measured religious
technology center Center, Forexample.
Religious Technology Centeralso had a statistic that was
called value of servicesdelivered for advanced levels.
(32:06):
Because Scientology owns orsorry, Religious Technology
Center owns the licensing rightsof the upper operating thetan
levels of Scientology.
So therefore, anytime somebodygets through the upper levels,
Scientology again I keep sayingScientology instead of Religious
Technology Center.
Religious Technology Centergets money from that.
(32:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, I guess the answer is none of us were those
posts.
So most of the time, unless youwere doing the post, you're not
necessarily going to rememberwhat the statistics of another
post are.
I do know that when I was inmanufacturing and I was checking
the quality control of thecassettes coming off the line,
(32:53):
those giant reels of tape werecalled pancakes and I was the
pancake quality control.
So my statistic was number ofpancakes checked and passed.
So yeah, I know what a goodpancake is like.
It's basically the morals.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'll never forget, though, one of the rare times we
visited my mother, who did noteven know physically where we
worked, and it was like when youwere first meeting her for the
first time, and she was like, oh, what's your post?
And you said pancake QC.
And she was like, wow, theymonitor the quality of pancakes,
as in breakfast pancakes.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And I'm like damn straight Skippy.
That's why I'm doing so well.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's funny to me that that kind of illustrates
perfectly how clueless she wason the lives we were living.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
This is a good question and we did talk about
this in length on this interviewthat we did.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yes, jess.
Question Do you think Miscavigeactually believes in
Scientology, hubbard, or justlikes the power he gets from
being COB chairman of the board?
Yeah, my answer to that is thatI truly do not.
I think that Miscavige's entiredrive is by the power that he
wields over people and over themoney and everything else,
(34:16):
because and again, we're sayingthis based on my personal
experiences and observationsLike a hardcore Scientologist, I
think it's fair to say studiesScientology 12 and a half hours
a week, goes in session, meaninggetting counseling of
Scientology and is constantlymoving through the levels and
(34:42):
doing what they're supposed todo.
David Miscavige hadn't receivedcounseling since 1993.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, yeah, I'd agree .
I'd also say that, while thatis true and I think that's
pretty accurate, I would alsosay that I think hubbard really
did come to believe in spacecooties, the body thetans and
all that because at the end ofhis life he was trying to get
(35:09):
them to hook a meter up to highvoltage so that they could he
could zap body thetans thathubbard this is Hubbard that he
still thought were he couldn'tget rid of- yeah, Though I would
argue that didn't have to haveto do with belief so much as I
had to do with psychosis,because also you know there were
(35:29):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
he was engaging in things that no, no Scientology
person would be allowed toengage in, with drugs and other
things.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He was also writing space porn for the last few
years of his life.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So I think that's where I say I don't know.
I don't necessarily know thatit had to do with Hubbard's
belief.
So much as you know.
You know, yes, I think that wasan element of it.
But also, a lot of psychosisand paranoia does a lot to
pervert a person's mind.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Good.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All right, linda.
Hello at blown for good.
Scientology exposed.
So what was the first foodtreat when you blew, mark and
Claire?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Did we go to Denny's?
We did, I think we went toDenny's and again we talked
about this in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
We just did so.
You know Mark picked me up fromthe bus station after a very
epic escape with his help that Icouldn't have done it without
Mark and you know it was likeyay, we're free and it's like
okay, want to go to Denny's, wehave some things to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Like yeah, you left me behind claire hadn't eaten
for like almost two days at thispoint I was.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I was in bad shape, so, yeah, that denny's was um
that wasn't really a food treat.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It was just food which was a treat.
Yeah, it was just any food.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We didn't really have a high bar at that point it was
just the fact that we'reallowed to go to a restaurant or
not even allowed.
It didn't even matter at thatpoint.
It was the first free choice wewere making.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm trying to think, I don't know, that we've been to
a Denny's.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Since then.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
We have.
Yeah, we have.
Yeah, not very often.
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, denny's is not my favorite but if we're on a
road trip and there's a.
Denny's or if you know it'sjust like 3 am Like Denny's will
work or IHOP or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But we haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Jack in the Box a lot , that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, no, because I got food poisoning from Jack in
the Box when I was pregnant withour second son and that did it
for me no more.
Our second son, and that did itfor me no more.
Um, I have not eaten it since.
It was miserable.
But I will say that the firstmemorable meal that that when we
got out, was um, because wewere living with mark's dad for
(37:53):
the first two or three weeksuntil we got our own apartment
and we went with bernie and hiswife at the time and your aunt
and we went to I think it was anOlive Garden.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
No, it was Marie Callender's.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Marie Callender's, are you sure?
No, it was an Italianrestaurant, macaroni Grill or
something like that, somethinglike that.
Yeah, either way, it was anItalian restaurant and it was
the first time that we weregoing out for dinner with other
people and we ordered our foodwe literally inhaled engulfed it
(38:30):
engulfed it yeah, like we didnot know how to you know eat
normally.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh, it was we were just a vacuum, a human vacuum
cleaner inhaling food.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It was more like a human vacuum cleaner inhaling
food.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think it was because there were years where
we basically had 15-minute mealbreaks.
Yeah, and even if you didn'thave a 15-minute meal break
because we worked on a giantproperty, you weren't really
allowed to go to the meal beforethe meal.
You had to the meal includedtravel time.
You had to the meal includedtravel time.
So, even if you had a half anhour by the time you got there,
(39:05):
you only had 10 or 15 minutesleft, and then you have to bush
your table, and so you would eat, like in five or 10 minutes you
would basically eat an entireplate of food, bush your table
and then get back out to musterand so it's just a thing where
years of that.
You just that's how you eat.
You just gobble.
It's like a dog.
(39:25):
When you give a dog a bowl offood and you make so they even
have these, these dishes nowwhere they're kind of grooved so
they have to kind of work toget the food so they can't just
inhale it.
Yeah, that's what seer memberssome seer members need after
they leave.
They need a dish that the foodis like it's not easy to to eat.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, and there's another piece we haven't talked
about.
Becky, big brother fan, justcommented on this too, and I was
going to bring this up.
Not only does your 30 minutemeal break if you have 30
minutes, like Mark said,oftentimes it would be cut to 15
minutes Not only does thatinclude travel time, but also
many members of the Corganization smoke cigarettes,
and that's also the time thatthey were allowed to smoke
(40:04):
cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well it was.
You could smoke a cigarette ifyou were on the way back to your
workspace too, but after a mealis a common cigarette break
time, so you eat for two minutesand then you smoke for five
minutes and then you go tomustard.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's all about prioritizing what matters.
Yes, I did see another goodquestion in minutes and then you
go to mustard.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's all about prioritizing what matters.
Yes, I did see another goodquestion in here and then I had
to go fold that up.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Oh well, while you find that just a reminder, this
stream will redirect when we endto the Michael J Render
Aftermath Foundation YouTubechannel.
We hope you will join us there.
We'll be having Phil Jones andI will be having a very
interesting conversation withIan Rafalko.
I'm looking forward to that,and that will start in 20
minutes.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, all right.
Question Can Office of SpecialAffairs surveil members travel
and how do they do it?
Very definitely yes, theyabsolutely can.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
We did talk about this as well, and there is a
document I'll see if I can findit, but I've seen it on the
intern webs before which.
It was a document that wascirculated within the Office of
Special Affairs.
That's Scientology's DirtyTricks Department.
Their predecessor, or the namethat they had before they had
(41:20):
the Office of Special Affairs,was the Guardian's Office and
they were convicted ofperpetrating the largest
infiltration into the UnitedStates government in its history
.
And what they had, the Officeof Special Affairs had a list of
all of the major airlines andwhat the frequent flyer
toll-free number was, frequentflyer toll-free number was.
(41:44):
And they had instructions ofexactly how to find out if
somebody had booked a flight orif there was somebody who had
escaped or whatever.
And they would say, hey, listen, I don't have my number, but
this is who I am, this is mysocial or any details is my
address?
And then I just want to know ifmy last flight is going to
credit into my frequent flyermiles.
(42:06):
And then they would tell you oh, yes, thank you, mr Smith, the
last flight you have was bookedfrom Los Angeles to Denver and
you have been credited with thatflight.
And then they hang up andthey're like, okay, smith's on
the way to Denver, credited withthat flight.
And then they hang up andthey're like, okay, smith's on
the way to Denver.
And then they know and they knowwhich flight it is and
everything.
Now they have, there's a SeaOrg member at the international
(42:29):
headquarters.
This used to be done by agentleman named William
Delderfield, who was a young kidwho had grown up at the ranch
or in the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Cadet Org.
He was born into the seaorganization.
He's the son of ken deldafield.
Rest in peace and denise deldaand denise yes and lost had, who
had been in the seaorganization for decades and
worked with hubbard andeverything else yeah, yeah, and
so he was the.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I think it was called the Travel Reservations in
Charge or something I can'tremember.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Travel IC or something like that.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
And he had because Scientology booked so many
flights.
They used to actually gothrough a travel agent which was
it was called Magic Travel.
I don't remember the gal's name, I think it was like Leanne or
Denise or something and it wasthis woman who ran this travel
agent.
She did all of Scientology'stravel, flights and bookings and
everything.
And then eventually Scientologyjust became their own travel
(43:29):
agent and they got access toevery major airline ticketing
system and when you're in theticketing system you can't
really see all of the full names.
But if you know the name you'relooking for, it's very easy
because they just have the firstinitial and then, I think, like
the three letters of the lastname, something like that.
(43:50):
And it's very easy, if you knowwho you're looking for, to be
able to find them on the flightand then you can move seats.
They used to be able to do this.
They used to either be able tomove seats or delay you like
bump you to another flight,especially if you didn't have a
travel agent.
It would be like, oh, they'retravel agents moving the flight
(44:12):
and they could also just see ifyou'd booked a flight and if
somebody escaped they'd be like,okay, where do they?
They'd go through your lifehistory and see okay, he's got
family in Kansas City, denver,los Angeles, so he's not going
to fly to Los Angeles, so it'seither Denver or Kansas City.
Okay, good, let's see whatflights there are to Denver or
(44:33):
Kansas City.
United Delta American up.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
He's on a United flight.
Check those flights for saidlast name and information.
He's on a United flight.
Check those flights for saidlast name and information.
And yes, we, I mean we haveseen it many times that they'll
interfere with especially travelplans for somebody in the
process of escaping, and so forexample, they bumped someone off
a flight and had that person'smother fly to where that person
(45:00):
was on a layover to interceptthem.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
So yeah, yeah, like this person escaped from
Clearwater was on a flight.
They had a connecting flightand when they got to their
connecting airport their nextleg was canceled or they got
bumped somehow.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
They'd been moved to standby.
They'd been moved to standby.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
They'd been moved to standby and they didn't get on
the flight.
And then, while they're waitingto get on another flight, that
person's mother, who works inLos Angeles, is magically at the
airport.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Shows up in Texas.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
There's no way you can do that unless you have
those abilities to see wherethey're going.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, and to be able to move them to standby so they
miss the flight and then putthem onto another Nevada bus
station.
There were already five to sixstaff members waiting there,
knowing that I was getting offthat bus and, like, as I stepped
off the bus, I hadn't evenwalked into the bus station and
boom, they're standing rightthere to to take me back.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
So you know yeah, their trickery knows no bounds.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Right, okay, question Someone could be Jewish and a
Scientologist?
Yes, since it is an ethnicityas well as a religion.
So my answer to that isScientology always says oh, we
accept people of all religionsand all beliefs, but they accept
them.
But that doesn't mean it'sallowed to stay that way.
(46:44):
And that's.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
That's a good way to put that, because they will say
um oh, you can be of anyreligion and be in scientology.
Scientology is an appliedreligious philosophy.
You don't have to, not do, butas you stay inology, you very
quickly find out that you can beof Jewish heritage, but you
ain't doing any, you ain'tgetting up to no Jewish
(47:08):
religious items.
You're going to be doingScientology and that's it.
And if you do another religionor philosophy or any of that, in
Scientology it's calledsquirreling and they define it
as mixing practices and it'sactually I think it's either a
misdemeanor or a high crimemixing practices, yeah, and so
(47:30):
in Scientology there's a lot ofemphasis on suppressive persons,
which is the two and a halfpercent of the population who
are antisocial personalities,but also potential trouble
sources.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
And there are potential trouble sources A to J
, which includes mixingpractices as one of those forms
of potential trouble source, andalso open-minded meaning oh,
I'm just here to try this out.
That's another form ofpotential trouble source.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
They don't want you trying it out.
You're either doing it or youain't doing it?
Yes, exactly so good, that wasa good question.
It was a good answer.
Thank you for that.
Nashay's an extraordinarymachine.
Okay, let's see.
Oh, here we go, here you go.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Matt Denny in the house question how long did it
take to break some of the habitsyou learned whilst in like
eating quickly, for example?
Yeah, that's a great question.
Some of that is still a work inprogress.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I think it's fair to say yeah, I think we do take a
little bit more time to eat.
I don't think we're not goingcrazy.
No, I mean we still eat prettyfast for regular folk.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
We're not slow eaters , no, Like when we go for our
anniversary dinner.
It's not a long affair, let'ssay.
But you know we were verydeliberate about trying to take
time to adjust.
We were talking about this onthe podcast.
We just did like the first.
I remember the first few dayslike just being like I get off
(49:05):
work at 4 PM, like now whatthere's like eight hours until
midnight, like what do I do?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know it's, it's uh that is another thing I would
say is not working all the timeis a hard, hard habit to break,
because you're used to.
You're basically being used tobeing measured by your
productivity and if you don'tproduce, then you're basically
kind of like a lazy person.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
So you and you have to always be doing something
productive and working towards.
You know like it's notacceptable to just sit and read
a book or sit and watch a movieor sit and play a video game,
like that's not a thing for amember of the C organization.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, you wouldn't be .
I mean even.
Yeah, I think even now I haveto be like I had to.
I used to have my office at thehouse and I had to move my
office to my shop and kind ofundo any office I had at the
house so that I wouldn't work atthe house just all day and all
(50:09):
night.
I would have to travel to mywarehouse or my shop work during
the day and then leave that andthen come home.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, and I still have my desk in our house, my
office in our house.
So all the time on the weekend,mark will be like where are you
at?
I'll be like I'm at my desk.
What you doing?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Just doing some email , yeah, and I have to be like
it's Sunday.
Get out of there.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Stop working.
Yeah, no, it is a.
That is still a work inprogress.
I think the eating we're fine.
We do eat fast, but not oneminute that was.
It was literally like if youjust had a trough and you just
dump the plate.
That's how it was in the SeaOrg.
You just shovel your food in aslike you would.
I would eat with a big spoonmost of the time, just so I
(51:00):
could shovel the food in.
Okay, good jobs, good jobs.
Okay, it's let's do.
I think we should do giveawaysnow.
Okay, good idea, and then if wehave a little bit of time, maybe
we'll do another question, butbefore I have to teleport all
we're trying to my office,speaking of which these Davy
dolls, these Davy dolls, this isthe big push right now.
(51:20):
Davy dolls, everybody needs aDavy doll.
If you don't need one, your dogor your cat would love one.
We like to put these in agallon lock, a gallon Ziploc bag
with, you know, maybe ateaspoon or maybe a tablespoon,
if you're feeling really randyof catnip, and you just let him
(51:41):
kind of marinate in thatovernight and then you give that
to your cats and they will loveyou forever, if they don't
already, and they will also lovedavey forever.
We do have some video, I think,of our cats just attacking
davey little davey
Speaker 2 (51:55):
doll just we can share one of those videos, yeah,
one of One of these days.
It's pretty comical.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, okay, let's see Can I do this.
Let's see if I can click thisbutton.
Oh, double Claire's.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Okay.
So so far we've got 95 entries,so hopefully you guys can see
that up there I'm going to dothe big old draw here.
Okay, listen, if I win, orClaire wins, or one of the mods
win, that's not us, that'sStreamYard, and it just picks
from the comments randomly.
Okay, I'm just saying thatbecause we have had a lot of
(52:29):
inside man winners lately.
Okay, here we go See.
If you don't see your nameflash by then, that means you
haven't commented.
Okay, oopsie, catherine Olsenalso won the other week too.
Rebecca B in the house.
Okay, rebecca, you know what todo.
You can email Claire at Claireat Blown for Good.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yep and send me your address.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And then she is going to send you your own fake Navy
Davy doll.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yes, there we go.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Oh, we should say what we're going to do.
That's a good point.
So we did the winner we did it,we're good.
Okay now.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Congratulations, Rebecca B.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
We've got this here, skadoosh.
Look at that, the fake NavyDavy doll photo contest.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
We are going to have you guys take pictures of your
fake Navy doll if you want.
It's just a game.
There's no, no one's going toget punished if you don't do it.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
But if you do do it, you could win a prize.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
No, fake Navy Davies will be harmed.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Okay, so this is how we're going to do this.
We're going to have threewinners at the end of each month
.
Okay, so you send us yourphotos.
You go to blownforgoodcom, thecontact us page.
There's a way you can submit animage and you can write a
little blurb and say who you areand maybe what the situation of
this photo is that you've taken, and it just basically just
(53:54):
needs to have this little guy init.
If it's on top of the EmpireState Building, well that's
pretty cool.
If it's in Australia with anoceanfront view of the harbor
also very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
We have found that, contrary to Scientology's
statements, these little fellastend to you know.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
They bring joy and happiness.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
They bring joy and comedy, not alarm and distress.
Yeah, joy and happiness is whatwe're into In fact, the last
person we gave one of these twowas just enamored, like he
really was.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Actually I was kind of surprised because you know,
some people could be a littlesensitive about this little navy
davy doll fake navy doll but um, yeah, I kind of like it on
said extra points for fake navydavy at the local scientology
org.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That I completely agree with because it never I
always appreciate seeing howempty the Scientology
organizations are.
I'm all for not having newpeople dragged into that
dangerous organization, whileour focus is getting people out.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, you know it's just all of that.
So we're going to have threewinners every month.
Yeah, you know, it's just allof that.
So we're going to have threewinners every month.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Three winners every month.
We're going to have fanfavorite.
So if you post it on X and youget a thousand likes and four
comments and the next fanfavorite gets 800, the thousand
one wins.
So the more people you canshare it to and get it liked by,
that is what we're going toconsider the fan favorite of
(55:28):
that month.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, here I put up this comment from Clara.
I helped design these, so youshould know it was designed with
intentionality and attention todead eyes.
I mean details, exactly.
Well said.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
So there's going to be the fan favorite, which is
really going to be determined bythe, by the statistics of how
many times it's been shared, yep.
And then there's going to beClaire's favorite photo and
there's going to be my favoritephoto and the first podcast that
happens in the new month.
So let's say, for September,we're going to get all these
(56:03):
photos in.
People are going to send usscreenshots.
Look my thing, got a thousandretweets or whatever, or this or
that or the other thing, orshares or likes or whatever the
metrics are.
And then we're going to haveClaire's favorite and my
favorite favorite and we'regoing to announce those in the
podcast or the video.
That's the first one of thenext month, so that would be
(56:23):
October's after September.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yep.
So Sunday, october 5th, is whenwe'll announce this first round
.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Awesome, okay, and then what do you get?
Oh, what do you?
What do they look like?
These are ones.
We did this with thebobbleheads Mike, mike Rinder's
bobblehead.
It was very popular and we gota lot.
I mean, we got hundreds andhundreds of photos sent in and
there was some shoops as well.
I'm a big fan of shoops.
That's when you Photoshopsomething to be silly.
(56:51):
Now, with AI, shoops are justout of control.
So if you've got a good shoopthat could go, you could submit
Shoop's or or AI generated stuff.
Oh, Claire's just like decidedthat she's gone.
Okay, Bye, Claire, she's got togo to do the other thing, the
prizes you're going to.
You can win a Mike Rinder or aLeah bobblehead, one or the
(57:16):
other.
We I was saying in an episodewe might do the signed ones.
The signed ones are really forfundraising and we kind of got
them from the.
They have a signed headshot.
The Leah one has just Leah'ssigned headshot and the Mike has
just Mike's signed headshot.
But there is like a deluxepackage that supports these all
(57:38):
support the Aftermath Foundationand the spshopcom package that
supports these all support theaftermath foundation and the sp
shopcom.
But, um, then there's one withMike and Leah that they've both
in the headshot and they've bothsigned it and it's a Mike
bobblehead and a Leah bobblehead.
So that's like the deluxepackage.
So we're going to save thosefor the fundraising.
So you can just win thebobblehead on its own.
Um, you can pick.
If you want the Leah one, or ifyou want the Mike one, or if
(57:59):
you just want more Davy dolls,we'll send you more Davy dolls
as well.
Submit photos, go toblownforgoodcom slash, contact
us and you can tag us on atblown for good on X so we can
see it, because we'll retweet ittoo.
If we see it and if you get, ifyou tag us and we're able to
see it, that might help yourchances of being the fan
favorite.
You know what I mean?
Awesome.
(58:21):
Well, that's going to do it fortoday, guys, If you stick
around, you'll go right into theFoundation feed number seven.
They're going to be doing aninterview today and, yeah,
hopefully we got to enoughquestions and you guys like this
and let us know in the commentsif you want us to do more Q&As
or you want us to do DavidMiscavige stories or what do you
(58:44):
want.
We're watching, we're lookingat the comments and we try to
pay attention to that stuff.
Thanks, guys.
We'll see you next week.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to a new episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed or Exposing Scientology.
Why do I always mix it up?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
It's just one of those days.
Happy Sunday, everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire.
There she is.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Here I am.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
We did a few little tweaks in the studio, so let me
know in the comments if you canhear us and see us and all that
happy hoo-ha.
It appears that people can hearus because they're telling us
already where they're watchingfrom Perfect, wildly and quickly
.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Very good.
Thank you, folks.
We appreciate yourparticipation here at Alone for
Good Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Is it Scientology Exposed or is it Exposing
Scientology?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I thought it was Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Okay, well, we'll go with that for now.
Um, we do like to do a thingwhere we find out where
everybody's watching from.
It gives just a few minutes forpeople who've got the
notification to get off theirass, get to a computer or their
phone or whatever they're doing,or if they want to stay on
their ass, it's okay too.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah that's probably a better viewing spot.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Yes, I see somebody who's like channel name is
Scientology exposed.
Okay, thank you for telling us.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Thank you, trevon, on I don't know why I always get
get it mixed up.
I think because Mike's channelwas called something very
similar.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Yes, yes and I think we had to kind of do something,
got our wires crossed, yepanyway.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So, uh, do you want to give some shout outs to uh,
to all those people?
Speaker 2 (01:51):
yes, sir, sherry.
Hello to all from moorhead,minnesota, happy to catch
another live.
Well, we sure do appreciate youbeing here.
Thank you, uh, trevon on.
Good evening from theNetherlands.
I love our Netherlands friends.
Gretchen, philly.
Hello from Philadelphia.
Mary Kay, london.
(02:12):
So much going on football on theTV, baseball on the iPad and
this on my phone.
Talk about multitasking, lol.
Hi from Albuquerque, new mexico.
Yes, we, we have on our agendafor today to watch the broncos
game.
Just saying, uh, manon, hi all.
Greetings from the netherlands.
I'm on the replay crew, spendthe weekend with my
(02:34):
three-year-old granddaughter, um, so this nana is knackered,
knackered.
Yeah, there you go, heather, hi, heather.
Hi.
Mark, hi.
Claire Bear, looking forward tothis.
Love from California.
Thank you, heather, appreciateit.
Cher.
Hello from the Netherlands.
Deborah.
Good afternoon from WisconsinDells.
Happy to catch a live.
(02:55):
Awesome, we appreciate youbeing here.
Poodlebone, hello from New YorkCity, nice, sarah.
Hello from Liverpool, uk.
Becky, big brother fan.
Good evening from the UK.
Yay, uk represent.
Valerie.
Hi from British Columbia,israel.
Hi from Arizona.
Carla hi from England, nice,love it.
(03:20):
Brian.
Hi from Portland, oregon, nice.
Lindsay.
Hi guys from Kilseth, scotland.
Wow, very cool.
Not so fast, mark Monica,florida.
(03:41):
I would like the volume alittle louder, can you?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
turn up your TV or your device.
Do we have to turn up ourdevice?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
here I'll turn it up a little bit.
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is that louder?
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Sounds louder to me.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Okay, we'll do it.
Okay, let's do this.
I'm up for requests.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Lindsay, we did that one, we're good.
Hi from Scotland, jess.
Happy Sunday from Claire'shometown of Manchester, uk.
Woohoo, mancunian at heart,nashay.
Hello Headleys.
Greetings from Philadelphia,watching while I'm sewing a
quilt Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Nice, yes, okay, I think that's good.
We've already got 100 people inhere.
That's my limit, since it goesover 100, I'm like we're good to
go.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh hi, Salty Beach Girl Laurie, Good to see you
here.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
I don't have that.
Oh, here we go, there we go.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah, there we go.
Salty Beach Girl Laurie, I madeit.
I seem to be rewatch crewlately.
Hope everyone is doing well.
Yes, everyone is doing well.
Yes, we're doing well.
We're a little the worst forwear this week, but other than
that everything's good.
(04:54):
Okay, hi from Sweden.
Hello.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Nice, ashley.
Hi from West Virginia, loveyour channel.
Well, thank you, okay.
Well, today we're going to dosomething a little different.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think you say that every time.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well, that's because we're always doing different
stuff, I guess, uh, yeah, howabout that?
Um, we did a here.
Let me put this let me see ifthere's a way I can go to uh,
double, double jeopardy here yes, and what walmart does that?
Speaker 2 (05:17):
there we go betsy, sue, hello, thanks for joining
us okay, so, um, we traveledthis week.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
We were gone for most of the week.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
And we did a podcast and I will tell you, I've never
been on a podcast like thispodcast we were on this week.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
We recorded for two days, for basically two.
It'll be a two part podcast.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It will be.
Yes, but it was like 10 AM to 7PM and then 10 AM to three 30.
And then we've we literallyleft and went straight to the
airport.
Yeah, it was a lot so we'll puta.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
We'll put a post out on the community tab when that
comes out.
Yes, it will.
I'm almost sure it'll be in twoparts and I think they air one
part on Monday and then the nextpart on Wednesday, I think they
said.
So we'll see how it is, butwe'll put that out.
But it is the first time thatboth Claire and I have done a
(06:16):
long form interview of our sortof history, our story in
Scientology, and then kind of alittle bit of the aftermath
after we got out.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
And also both of us talking simultaneously.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Not simultaneously.
We took turns.
I let her talk once in a while.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Really yeah, once in a while, as is the modus
operandi.
Let me get a word in edgewise.
No, but my point is it's the.
It's the first time we've doneus both talking about,
respectively, you, you escaping,me escaping, and how, what that
(06:58):
all looked like togethertogether, that will actually air
.
We have done it before, but itnever saw the light of day.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, well, we did that, we did.
We basically did the exactthing we did for ABC Nightline.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
And then that show was nuked by ABC when it was
almost ready to go.
Yeah, but this is probablygoing to come out.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
We'll see it is going to come out.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
If it comes out, I don't know if it's going to come
out this Monday or if it'sgoing to come out next Monday.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I think it's.
We don't know exactly when.
We'll let everybody know onceit comes out.
I'm very excited to see.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
They had recorded other interviews so it was in
the pipeline of the other stuffthat they have to release.
So when it comes out, we'llgive you guys a heads up.
Yeah, today.
So the thing we wanted to dotoday, we haven't done this.
I think the last time we didthis was in March of this year,
where we did just a Q and A,where we just answer people's
(08:00):
questions about Scientology.
So if you have a question thatyou've been dying for us to
answer about Scientology, bleep,bloop it in the comments down
there and we're going to havethe mods are going to be going
through and if there's a goodquestion in there, we'll star it
and then we will go ahead andtry to answer it as best we can.
(08:23):
We haven't done these in a longtime because we've had so many
other things to talk about anddo and also, if there's other
things that you'd like us tocover, put it in the comments.
We did do a lot of Q&As.
I think we did almost like over40 episodes where we just
answered people's questions, orwe did a regular episode and
(08:44):
sometimes we do a little Q& a atthe end.
We're just going to do a Q anda for this whole episode and, as
always, I think I got to putthis in there.
There we go.
If you tell us where you'rewatching from, not only does it
give us a sense of where ourviewers and listeners are at,
but it also automatically entersyou to win a fake Navy, davey
(09:06):
doll, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Coming up on Christmas.
It makes for a good theme tojust have a little fun with a
pretty dark topic, Right?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I think that's it.
If you do have a question, ifyou just write question and then
write it, that way we can pickit out from you.
Know, bill from Philadelphia.
We can just see oh, question,question, questions makes it a
little easier for the mods sothey know you've got a question.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Um, so let's put up the first one here.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Okay, sounds good.
Sounds like a plan.
Becky, big brother fan LoveGood.
Sounds like a plan.
Becky, big brother fan Love.
A Q&A.
Remember Mike and Leah'spodcast, q&a 2.
Always so interesting.
Yes, the Fair Game podcast.
For anyone watching who hasn'tlistened to that, it's a great
series.
I think there was close there'sclose to 90 episodes if I'm not
mistaken All fascinatingconversations and I will say
(10:03):
from that podcast I I really sawthe benefit of having
conversations with people fromother cult-like or culty
organizations.
It's always so eyeopening tohear other perspectives and to
to draw parallels and so forth.
So Awesome.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well, here's a good question, good question.
It kind of answered thequestion that was right before
it too, about Shelly Yep, so Iwas just going to put that up
Question.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Any updates on Shelly Miscavige?
Nope, not not that we know of.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I think the last time we talked about Shelly was when
we found the the legal recordthat her voting registration,
her driver's license, had been.
Was it a voting it?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
was her driver's license, but I think that
there's a default in Californiawhen you renew your driver's
license to register as a voterand unless you uncheck that box
it just happens automatically.
So she was registered to votein Petrolia California, which is
the Church of SpiritualTechnology.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
That's the group or the organization within
Scientology that digs giantholes into mountains and puts
all of L Ron Hubbard's worksonto titanium plates and gold
records plates and gold recordsand then buries them inside the
mountain so that, if there is anuclear war, the only thing that
will be left will be theHubbard all of the technology
that L Ron Hubbard wrote.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Because, of course, if there's a world ending event
or any kind of catastrophe, yourfirst priority would be to
retain we're going to need toknow how to get those touch
assist fired up, those funky,weird massages.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
So she was at a location in Big Bear.
They have a Church of SpiritualTechnology CST location in Big
Bear, running Springs.
It's near it's Big Bear-ishadjacent, and then, based on
this voter registration,updating it showed that she'd
been moved to even a more remoteCST location and those
(12:29):
locations usually only have ahandful of people at the most
that are stationed at them.
And it was her and, I think,two or three other people that
all had the same registeredvoting address that were at that
location and I think one ofthose we didn't even recognize
the name.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
No, exactly, and I will say it's debatable if they
just took her there to renew herdriver's license, knowing that
it would become public record,or if she was actually there for
some period of time, but giventhe public attention correctly.
So on the question, where isShelley Miscavige?
Thanks to Leah Remini's policereport back in what was that?
(13:08):
2013 or 14.
Um it, it's not.
It's not.
Either of those options are alikely scenario.
I would say.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Okay, yep, we have a question.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
All right, we have a question.
Let's do this.
Oh, ottman question how manyreports did the reports officer
RTC concern?
Rtc is Religious TechnologyCenter, the highest
(13:46):
ecclesiastical organization inScientology, run directly by
David Miscavige.
Religious Technology Center isthe police organization of
Scientology, also referred to asthe Inspector General Network,
and it was Hubbard mandate thatin every single organization on
(14:07):
the planet there was a reportsRTC reports box where people
could put in reports, and thenlater there was an online form
for that which has-.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
When you say there's an in every single organization
has an RTC reports officer box.
It's just like a wood box witha hole in the top of it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
It's a sealed yeah, it's a locked box because the
idea was that somebody anyone ina Scientology organization
should be able to reportcorruption or any kind of other
matters of RTC concern withoutit being intercepted.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Also, if you're reporting on something that's
happening at that organization,you don't want the head of that
organization to get your reportand then delete it or shred it
before it gets to RTC.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Exactly which has happened.
Gosh, now I lost my train ofthought.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So how many did they get?
Yes so was there a stat or wasthere?
Do you remember any of that?
Wasn't serena mckelvin thereports off for a while and then
and then, following her ummarina pazotti was the rtc
reports officer for a while andthen tammy wyckoff.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now tammy leak was um the rtTC reports officer for a
long time Did Tammy Wyckoff getmarried to Chris Leak?
She did, wow, yeah, right aftershe escaped and was intercepted
and then brought back.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
And also Roanne left as well.
Roanne was married to Chrisbefore.
That, that's right, and sheescaped.
Wow, this guy.
If you want to escape andyou're in the seer at the base,
it seems like you need to getmarried to this kid named Chris
leak, because those gals aregetting out of there.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
I see what you're saying, I see where you're going
with that, but so, yeah, itdepends depending on the time.
At least in the time I wasthere, there were reports coming
in like hundreds per week andthose would all get summarized
and copied to David Miscavige,Shelley Miscavige and executives
(16:18):
in Religious Technology Center.
The RTC reports officer wouldsometimes respond to those not
necessarily always justdepending on the topic at hand,
but yeah, that's how many werecoming in during the time I was
there.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
All right, jess.
Question With so many lawsuitsagainst Scientology, do you
think they will have an effectin some way with the ultimate
collapse of Scientology?
We've always believed thatevery single lawsuit exposes new
information and establishesprecedence, and so, like in our
(17:00):
lawsuit, certainly it had aneffect and just builds on public
record.
So, yes, I do.
You know, I don't know.
We've hoped for a long timethat significant things would
change.
It's been a slow roll.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Yeah, I think one of the other things is that
Scientology, even though itexposes more things, they're
then able to steal themselvesagainst those things While the
lawsuit is going on.
They undo everything that makesthat a reality, that what's
being brought up in the lawsuit.
They either stop doing it orthey do it more discreetly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yes.
Or they changed their contractsto um to enforce, for example,
quote, unquote, arbitration andall these other things that were
were not even a a thing duringour lawsuit.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, exactly, we didn't have.
We did.
That wasn't even a that wasn'teven an option that was
considered in our lawsuit,because their contracts at the
time and this is a good point,their contracts at the time were
illegal, so they weren't ableto enforce illegal contracts.
So they modified everyone'scontracts and then had everybody
(18:18):
re-sign them so that they couldbe more fluid with the current
laws at the time.
I like this question.
People ask this question allthe time, but one of the things
we have to sort of assume onYouTube is that some of the
people are watching, have neverheard the question or never
heard the answer, so we'll goahead and do it.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
All right, cher.
Sorry if this question has beenasked a million times, that's
okay, but do you have any ideawho will be the next leader of
Scientology when Miscavige dies?
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis this past week and Hubbard
did not have a clear, documentedsuccession plan, and neither
does David Miscavige.
(18:59):
Um, it's.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's just ironic to me that by the nature of it he,
david Miscavige, expects toretain power.
Forever.
The other thing is that youhave to understand that David
Miscavige is the singular personwho knows everything about the
Scientology organization becausehe runs the lawyers directly
from Religious Technology Center.
(19:30):
He also runs a lot of theOffice of Special Affairs
activities that's digging updirt on people.
He's the one who oversees that.
He oversees all the differentsilos of Scientology, of the
Scientology organization andincluding all of the different
Scientology organizations.
Because, ironically, he was putin charge of a project to do a
(19:53):
corporate sort out ofScientology so that L Ron
Hubbard couldn't be charged orarrested for for his, for his
endearment, for elron hubbard'sendearment.
And so when hub, when hubbarddirected muscavige to do that,
he basically was doing that fulltime up until hubbard's death
(20:15):
and then when hubbard was gone,he was basically the one holding
all the bags that nobody elseknew what all these different
things were.
So and then one other point isthat he has shit-talked all of
the other executives that arethat used to run Scientology.
He has exposed all of theircrimes to all of the other
(20:38):
executives.
So whenever there's a, he'sdone this, miscavige has said I
want you to tell me who can bein charge of this organization
and this organization and in theprocess of just doing that, not
in charge of religioustechnology center but just
within the, it being in chargeof lower Scientology management
organizations they would alwaysfight over who could do what,
(21:01):
because they'd say, well,remember, you did this, so that
disqualifies you.
And then that person will belike well, you did this,
remember when Dave said you didall that, so you can't be in
charge.
So it's just a weird thing,where none of them are really
none of the lower executivesthat would take over, none of
(21:22):
them have enough knowledge orpower or sort of immunity to say
I'm the one who's going to takeover, and it wouldn't just be a
total cluster.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah, so it's definitely safe to say that when
David Miscavige dies, it'sgoing to be a complete cluster
to see what happens next.
So who knows?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, this is a good one.
I always like food questions.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Of course you do.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Question.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Look at me.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
I didn't mean it that way.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
It wasn't like it wasn't a question.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Was there ever any food you had during the sea org
that actually was healthy tasty?
Speaker 1 (22:14):
You know I did like the fried rice.
I'm a big fan of fried rice.
Every once in a while they makea decent fried rice.
It didn't have a lot of peasand carrots the proportions were
off, but it was a tad tasty.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Okay, I can't say that I have.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I put the camera on you while I talked, and then,
while you talked, I put it on me.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah, that's okay, it happens.
I can't say that I have anysignificant food memories.
That's not what stands out.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
I do remember.
I do remember one thing that wewould get, that was very, very
tasty.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
What.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Jack in the crack.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Completely.
If we went to Jack in the box,I would get we'd always get the
same thing you would get abreakfast sourdough.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Sourdough breakfast sandwich.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Yeah, and we would get not onion rings mozzarella
sticks.
Yeah, and egg rolls and eggrolls, and sometimes, if I was
feeling really randy, I'd getmyself a double bacon cheese.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Yeah, yeah, but that was kind of on the down low.
We weren't really allowed to dothat, but because you had a
motorcycle I could zip downthere.
It was the first restaurantwithin like 10 minutes of the
property that I could jam to gothrough the drive-thru on my
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bike and zip back before anybodyknew I was gone.
Yeah, so when you're operatingon very little money per week,
you can't afford to go to Jackin the Box very often.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
That's true.
That's basically like a month'sworth of Sea Org pay to get a
good Jack in the Box, but youwould always radio me on the
Nextel radios at like three inthe morning.
Yeah, I'm just getting off work.
You want something?
Speaker 2 (23:49):
for Jack in the Crack , you know anyway.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
You know the other thing that I used to do and I
used to for for I don't know ifI've ever told this, I might
have, but because I was incharge of a film crew, we would
have to go on location and wewould do location shoots.
So I almost always had a van agolden era productions assigned
van to drive.
But the only way I could getthat is that same van had to be
used for a three o'clock run.
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That would take all of thereligious technology staff.
It would take them home atthree o'clock in the morning.
Yes, 3am, and then I and inorder to keep the van, I would
have to drive those people homeat 3am even though I still had
to get up at eight and bring myown crew.
I had to take them on a shootor whatever, but I'd be able to
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get that van at night.
And religious technology centerpeople at the base are the most
senior and sort of no-nonsensepeople at the base and going to
Jack in the Box was basicallynot allowed.
It was forbidden, yep, and Iwould take the RTC staff to Jack
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in the Box on that 3 o'clockrun Like I would basically be
like.
You corruptor, I basically wouldbe like you guys, sure, you
just want to go straight home,or maybe we make a pit stop.
And most of the time they'd belike let's make a pit stop, mark
, and we would just hit that,drive through and uh, and and,
and sometimes I'd be like whatdo you guys want?
(25:21):
And then they'd tell me, andthen it'd be like what do you
want?
I'd be like I want this.
They'll be like we'll take careof it, and then they get me my
stuff and the stuff for Claireand Nothing tastes better than
Jack in the box at four o'clockin the morning.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Let me tell you, even if it's cold when you've been
living on Sea Org food it's likethe bomb.
Yeah so it's uh, it's kind ofsad.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
Yeah, so the only the only reason I wanted to say
that is that gives you a.
That gives you a scale of howtasty the Sea Org food was.
That Jack in the box isbasically the best meal you're
going to get in a week, comparedto whatever you ate at the
property that entire week.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah, and, and the fried rice did not even touch
your current.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
That's true.
I have a black stone and I makea mean fried rice, chicken
fried rice, fried rice, beeffried rice.
I do it Hibachi style.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, it's a hit.
It's a hit at our house.
Yeah, okay, that's a goodquestion.
I like food questions,food-based questions.
Okay, we already answered.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Clara says her fried rice is better than yours.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
I don't know how she can say that, if she hasn't
tasted it.
Pretty sure she has Vietnamese.
I want to say she hasVietnamese heritage, so let's
not go like that.
Okay, you should have betterrice than me.
That's how that works.
Let's not pretend that youdidn't have an unfair advantage,
(26:55):
okay.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Question what was the statistic of IG Ethics RTC and
IG Admin RTC?
That's a great question.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
So I'm trying to remember, but IG Ethics
definitely had to do with Wellyou have to explain these things
Not everybody just grew up wasborn with Scientology
nomenclature programmed intotheir brain.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
So IG Ethics was Inspector General for Ethics.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
And that post was directly below David Miscavige,
correct.
There was IG Admin, ig Ethicsand IG Tech.
And that's gone now, they don'thave that anymore.
No, and that's gone now, theydon't have that anymore.
That was when L Ron Hubbardknew about RTC.
They had those and the idea wasthat you'd have these
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independent people that wouldn'tnecessarily be able to be
compromised by other people andthey had their own sort of
domain and David Miscavige heabsorbed those and he absolved
those, and the people that wereon those posts will tell them.
So chairman of the boardreligious technology center was
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David Miscavige.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Is to this day.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Well, yeah, but at the time when they had these
posts and then below him was IGethics and that was Marty
Rathbun.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
For the most part.
At some point it was also MikeSutter.
With the top executive poststhey would rotate very
frequently and that's fair tosay, of any of the posts, so
when one person would get put onheavy manual labor as
punishment, someone else wouldstep in.
But Marty Rathbun was the, Ithink, the longest tenure on
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that post.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, and then IG admin was a gentleman by the
name of Mark Yeager.
For the longest time he was thecommanding officer of the
Commodore's messengerorganization and that is the.
That is basically themanagement body that is is of
(29:10):
getting L Ron Hubbard's ordersand his directives done and
compl the technical areas ofScientology in the Commodores
Messenger organization under thepost of Senior Case Supervisor
INT.
And then he became IG Tech.
Mark Yeager became IG Admin andMarty was IG Ethics.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
And then I want to say in the late 2000s maybe, or
the mid-90s, mid-90s, latemid-90s, late 90s- yeah, because
by the time I was moved intoReligious Technology Center,
Mark Yeager was now the head ofthe management organization and
Ray Madoff was in charge of techat that level.
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They were no longer inreligious technologies that are.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Yeah, so to get back to the statistics, yeah, so IG
ethics had to do so.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
There was an ethics statistic called situations
found and handled and so it wasa cumulative of those that
statistic and a situation wouldbe any like non-optimum
situation.
So, for example, a lawsuitagainst Scientology is a
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situation and I mean you can'treally say it's found.
It's more like served, buthandled is means it's shut down
and concluded, but handled ismeans it's shut down and
concluded.
So that was IG ethics had to dowith situations found and
(30:47):
handled for all of Scientologyand situations that were such
that it would impact, forexample, Scientology's nonprofit
status or things of that level.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Was that reports off?
Was the reports off under IGEthics at that time?
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Okay, so that would make sense.
So they get a report in andthen, if it's nothing, they just
go whatever.
But if it's something, they gotto find out what exactly is
going on and then handle it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yes, okay.
And then IG admin had to dowith the number of executives
who were what's calledpermanently posted.
That means that they've donetheir full hat, they've studied
all policies relating to theirposition, they've they're
successfully performing theduties of that post and they've
received false purpose rundown,which is to remove, find and
hand, find and remove any evilpurposes towards scientology and
(31:43):
david miscavige yes, that'sright.
Um, so it had to do with,essentially, the structure and
performance of scientology iswhat measured religious
technology center Center, Forexample.
Religious Technology Centeralso had a statistic that was
called value of servicesdelivered for advanced levels.
(32:06):
Because Scientology owns orsorry, Religious Technology
Center owns the licensing rightsof the upper operating thetan
levels of Scientology.
So therefore, anytime somebodygets through the upper levels,
Scientology again I keep sayingScientology instead of Religious
Technology Center.
Religious Technology Centergets money from that.
(32:29):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Well, I guess the answer is none of us were those
posts.
So most of the time, unless youwere doing the post, you're not
necessarily going to rememberwhat the statistics of another
post are.
I do know that when I was inmanufacturing and I was checking
the quality control of thecassettes coming off the line,
(32:53):
those giant reels of tape werecalled pancakes and I was the
pancake quality control.
So my statistic was number ofpancakes checked and passed.
So yeah, I know what a goodpancake is like.
It's basically the morals.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'll never forget, though, one of the rare times we
visited my mother, who did noteven know physically where we
worked, and it was like when youwere first meeting her for the
first time, and she was like, oh, what's your post?
And you said pancake QC.
And she was like, wow, theymonitor the quality of pancakes,
as in breakfast pancakes.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
And I'm like damn straight Skippy.
That's why I'm doing so well.
Speaker 2 (33:37):
It's funny to me that that kind of illustrates
perfectly how clueless she wason the lives we were living.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
This is a good question and we did talk about
this in length on this interviewthat we did.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Yes, jess.
Question Do you think Miscavigeactually believes in
Scientology, hubbard, or justlikes the power he gets from
being COB chairman of the board?
Yeah, my answer to that is thatI truly do not.
I think that Miscavige's entiredrive is by the power that he
wields over people and over themoney and everything else,
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because and again, we're sayingthis based on my personal
experiences and observationsLike a hardcore Scientologist, I
think it's fair to say studiesScientology 12 and a half hours
a week, goes in session, meaninggetting counseling of
Scientology and is constantlymoving through the levels and
(34:42):
doing what they're supposed todo.
David Miscavige hadn't receivedcounseling since 1993.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Okay, yeah, I'd agree .
I'd also say that, while thatis true and I think that's
pretty accurate, I would alsosay that I think hubbard really
did come to believe in spacecooties, the body thetans and
all that because at the end ofhis life he was trying to get
(35:09):
them to hook a meter up to highvoltage so that they could he
could zap body thetans thathubbard this is Hubbard that he
still thought were he couldn'tget rid of- yeah, Though I would
argue that didn't have to haveto do with belief so much as I
had to do with psychosis,because also you know there were
(35:29):
anyway.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
he was engaging in things that no, no Scientology
person would be allowed toengage in, with drugs and other
things.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
He was also writing space porn for the last few
years of his life.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
So I think that's where I say I don't know.
I don't necessarily know thatit had to do with Hubbard's
belief.
So much as you know.
You know, yes, I think that wasan element of it.
But also, a lot of psychosisand paranoia does a lot to
pervert a person's mind.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Good.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
All right, linda.
Hello at blown for good.
Scientology exposed.
So what was the first foodtreat when you blew, mark and
Claire?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Did we go to Denny's?
We did, I think we went toDenny's and again we talked
about this in the podcast.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
We just did so.
You know Mark picked me up fromthe bus station after a very
epic escape with his help that Icouldn't have done it without
Mark and you know it was likeyay, we're free and it's like
okay, want to go to Denny's, wehave some things to talk about.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Like yeah, you left me behind claire hadn't eaten
for like almost two days at thispoint I was.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
I was in bad shape, so, yeah, that denny's was um
that wasn't really a food treat.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
It was just food which was a treat.
Yeah, it was just any food.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
We didn't really have a high bar at that point it was
just the fact that we'reallowed to go to a restaurant or
not even allowed.
It didn't even matter at thatpoint.
It was the first free choice wewere making.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
I'm trying to think, I don't know, that we've been to
a Denny's.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Since then.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
We have.
Yeah, we have.
Yeah, not very often.
Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, denny's is not my favorite but if we're on a
road trip and there's a.
Denny's or if you know it'sjust like 3 am Like Denny's will
work or IHOP or whatever.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
But we haven't been to.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Jack in the Box a lot , that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, no, because I got food poisoning from Jack in
the Box when I was pregnant withour second son and that did it
for me no more.
Our second son, and that did itfor me no more.
Um, I have not eaten it since.
It was miserable.
But I will say that the firstmemorable meal that that when we
got out, was um, because wewere living with mark's dad for
(37:53):
the first two or three weeksuntil we got our own apartment
and we went with bernie and hiswife at the time and your aunt
and we went to I think it was anOlive Garden.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
No, it was Marie Callender's.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Marie Callender's, are you sure?
No, it was an Italianrestaurant, macaroni Grill or
something like that, somethinglike that.
Yeah, either way, it was anItalian restaurant and it was
the first time that we weregoing out for dinner with other
people and we ordered our foodwe literally inhaled engulfed it
(38:30):
engulfed it yeah, like we didnot know how to you know eat
normally.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
Oh, it was we were just a vacuum, a human vacuum
cleaner inhaling food.
Speaker 2 (38:38):
It was more like a human vacuum cleaner inhaling
food.
Speaker 1 (38:41):
I think it was because there were years where
we basically had 15-minute mealbreaks.
Yeah, and even if you didn'thave a 15-minute meal break
because we worked on a giantproperty, you weren't really
allowed to go to the meal beforethe meal.
You had to the meal includedtravel time.
You had to the meal includedtravel time.
So, even if you had a half anhour by the time you got there,
(39:05):
you only had 10 or 15 minutesleft, and then you have to bush
your table, and so you would eat, like in five or 10 minutes you
would basically eat an entireplate of food, bush your table
and then get back out to musterand so it's just a thing where
years of that.
You just that's how you eat.
You just gobble.
It's like a dog.
(39:25):
When you give a dog a bowl offood and you make so they even
have these, these dishes nowwhere they're kind of grooved so
they have to kind of work toget the food so they can't just
inhale it.
Yeah, that's what seer memberssome seer members need after
they leave.
They need a dish that the foodis like it's not easy to to eat.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Yeah, and there's another piece we haven't talked
about.
Becky, big brother fan, justcommented on this too, and I was
going to bring this up.
Not only does your 30 minutemeal break if you have 30
minutes, like Mark said,oftentimes it would be cut to 15
minutes Not only does thatinclude travel time, but also
many members of the Corganization smoke cigarettes,
and that's also the time thatthey were allowed to smoke
(40:04):
cigarettes.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Well it was.
You could smoke a cigarette ifyou were on the way back to your
workspace too, but after a mealis a common cigarette break
time, so you eat for two minutesand then you smoke for five
minutes and then you go tomustard.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
It's all about prioritizing what matters.
Yes, I did see another goodquestion in minutes and then you
go to mustard.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
It's all about prioritizing what matters.
Yes, I did see another goodquestion in here and then I had
to go fold that up.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Oh well, while you find that just a reminder, this
stream will redirect when we endto the Michael J Render
Aftermath Foundation YouTubechannel.
We hope you will join us there.
We'll be having Phil Jones andI will be having a very
interesting conversation withIan Rafalko.
I'm looking forward to that,and that will start in 20
minutes.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (40:47):
Yeah, all right.
Question Can Office of SpecialAffairs surveil members travel
and how do they do it?
Very definitely yes, theyabsolutely can.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
We did talk about this as well, and there is a
document I'll see if I can findit, but I've seen it on the
intern webs before which.
It was a document that wascirculated within the Office of
Special Affairs.
That's Scientology's DirtyTricks Department.
Their predecessor, or the namethat they had before they had
(41:20):
the Office of Special Affairs,was the Guardian's Office and
they were convicted ofperpetrating the largest
infiltration into the UnitedStates government in its history
.
And what they had, the Officeof Special Affairs had a list of
all of the major airlines andwhat the frequent flyer
toll-free number was, frequentflyer toll-free number was.
(41:44):
And they had instructions ofexactly how to find out if
somebody had booked a flight orif there was somebody who had
escaped or whatever.
And they would say, hey, listen, I don't have my number, but
this is who I am, this is mysocial or any details is my
address?
And then I just want to know ifmy last flight is going to
credit into my frequent flyermiles.
(42:06):
And then they would tell you oh, yes, thank you, mr Smith, the
last flight you have was bookedfrom Los Angeles to Denver and
you have been credited with thatflight.
And then they hang up andthey're like, okay, smith's on
the way to Denver, credited withthat flight.
And then they hang up andthey're like, okay, smith's on
the way to Denver.
And then they know and they knowwhich flight it is and
everything.
Now they have, there's a SeaOrg member at the international
(42:29):
headquarters.
This used to be done by agentleman named William
Delderfield, who was a young kidwho had grown up at the ranch
or in the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Cadet Org.
He was born into the seaorganization.
He's the son of ken deldafield.
Rest in peace and denise deldaand denise yes and lost had, who
had been in the seaorganization for decades and
worked with hubbard andeverything else yeah, yeah, and
so he was the.
Speaker 1 (42:57):
I think it was called the Travel Reservations in
Charge or something I can'tremember.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Travel IC or something like that.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
And he had because Scientology booked so many
flights.
They used to actually gothrough a travel agent which was
it was called Magic Travel.
I don't remember the gal's name, I think it was like Leanne or
Denise or something and it wasthis woman who ran this travel
agent.
She did all of Scientology'stravel, flights and bookings and
everything.
And then eventually Scientologyjust became their own travel
(43:29):
agent and they got access toevery major airline ticketing
system and when you're in theticketing system you can't
really see all of the full names.
But if you know the name you'relooking for, it's very easy
because they just have the firstinitial and then, I think, like
the three letters of the lastname, something like that.
(43:50):
And it's very easy, if you knowwho you're looking for, to be
able to find them on the flightand then you can move seats.
They used to be able to do this.
They used to either be able tomove seats or delay you like
bump you to another flight,especially if you didn't have a
travel agent.
It would be like, oh, they'retravel agents moving the flight
(44:12):
and they could also just see ifyou'd booked a flight and if
somebody escaped they'd be like,okay, where do they?
They'd go through your lifehistory and see okay, he's got
family in Kansas City, denver,los Angeles, so he's not going
to fly to Los Angeles, so it'seither Denver or Kansas City.
Okay, good, let's see whatflights there are to Denver or
(44:33):
Kansas City.
United Delta American up.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
He's on a United flight.
Check those flights for saidlast name and information.
He's on a United flight.
Check those flights for saidlast name and information.
And yes, we, I mean we haveseen it many times that they'll
interfere with especially travelplans for somebody in the
process of escaping, and so forexample, they bumped someone off
a flight and had that person'smother fly to where that person
(45:00):
was on a layover to interceptthem.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
So yeah, yeah, like this person escaped from
Clearwater was on a flight.
They had a connecting flightand when they got to their
connecting airport their nextleg was canceled or they got
bumped somehow.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
They'd been moved to standby.
They'd been moved to standby.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
They'd been moved to standby and they didn't get on
the flight.
And then, while they're waitingto get on another flight, that
person's mother, who works inLos Angeles, is magically at the
airport.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Shows up in Texas.
Speaker 1 (45:34):
There's no way you can do that unless you have
those abilities to see wherethey're going.
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Yeah, and to be able to move them to standby so they
miss the flight and then putthem onto another Nevada bus
station.
There were already five to sixstaff members waiting there,
knowing that I was getting offthat bus and, like, as I stepped
off the bus, I hadn't evenwalked into the bus station and
boom, they're standing rightthere to to take me back.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
So you know yeah, their trickery knows no bounds.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Right, okay, question Someone could be Jewish and a
Scientologist?
Yes, since it is an ethnicityas well as a religion.
So my answer to that isScientology always says oh, we
accept people of all religionsand all beliefs, but they accept
them.
But that doesn't mean it'sallowed to stay that way.
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And that's.
Speaker 1 (46:45):
That's a good way to put that, because they will say
um oh, you can be of anyreligion and be in scientology.
Scientology is an appliedreligious philosophy.
You don't have to, not do, butas you stay inology, you very
quickly find out that you can beof Jewish heritage, but you
ain't doing any, you ain'tgetting up to no Jewish
(47:08):
religious items.
You're going to be doingScientology and that's it.
And if you do another religionor philosophy or any of that, in
Scientology it's calledsquirreling and they define it
as mixing practices and it'sactually I think it's either a
misdemeanor or a high crimemixing practices, yeah, and so
(47:30):
in Scientology there's a lot ofemphasis on suppressive persons,
which is the two and a halfpercent of the population who
are antisocial personalities,but also potential trouble
sources.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
And there are potential trouble sources A to J
, which includes mixingpractices as one of those forms
of potential trouble source, andalso open-minded meaning oh,
I'm just here to try this out.
That's another form ofpotential trouble source.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
They don't want you trying it out.
You're either doing it or youain't doing it?
Yes, exactly so good, that wasa good question.
It was a good answer.
Thank you for that.
Nashay's an extraordinarymachine.
Okay, let's see.
Oh, here we go, here you go.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
Matt Denny in the house question how long did it
take to break some of the habitsyou learned whilst in like
eating quickly, for example?
Yeah, that's a great question.
Some of that is still a work inprogress.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
I think it's fair to say yeah, I think we do take a
little bit more time to eat.
I don't think we're not goingcrazy.
No, I mean we still eat prettyfast for regular folk.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
We're not slow eaters , no, Like when we go for our
anniversary dinner.
It's not a long affair, let'ssay.
But you know we were verydeliberate about trying to take
time to adjust.
We were talking about this onthe podcast.
We just did like the first.
I remember the first few dayslike just being like I get off
(49:05):
work at 4 PM, like now whatthere's like eight hours until
midnight, like what do I do?
Speaker 1 (49:11):
You know it's, it's uh that is another thing I would
say is not working all the timeis a hard, hard habit to break,
because you're used to.
You're basically being used tobeing measured by your
productivity and if you don'tproduce, then you're basically
kind of like a lazy person.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
So you and you have to always be doing something
productive and working towards.
You know like it's notacceptable to just sit and read
a book or sit and watch a movieor sit and play a video game,
like that's not a thing for amember of the C organization.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, you wouldn't be .
I mean even.
Yeah, I think even now I haveto be like I had to.
I used to have my office at thehouse and I had to move my
office to my shop and kind ofundo any office I had at the
house so that I wouldn't work atthe house just all day and all
(50:09):
night.
I would have to travel to mywarehouse or my shop work during
the day and then leave that andthen come home.
Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah, and I still have my desk in our house, my
office in our house.
So all the time on the weekend,mark will be like where are you
at?
I'll be like I'm at my desk.
What you doing?
Speaker 1 (50:29):
Just doing some email , yeah, and I have to be like
it's Sunday.
Get out of there.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Stop working.
Yeah, no, it is a.
That is still a work inprogress.
I think the eating we're fine.
We do eat fast, but not oneminute that was.
It was literally like if youjust had a trough and you just
dump the plate.
That's how it was in the SeaOrg.
You just shovel your food in aslike you would.
I would eat with a big spoonmost of the time, just so I
(51:00):
could shovel the food in.
Okay, good jobs, good jobs.
Okay, it's let's do.
I think we should do giveawaysnow.
Okay, good idea, and then if wehave a little bit of time, maybe
we'll do another question, butbefore I have to teleport all
we're trying to my office,speaking of which these Davy
dolls, these Davy dolls, this isthe big push right now.
(51:20):
Davy dolls, everybody needs aDavy doll.
If you don't need one, your dogor your cat would love one.
We like to put these in agallon lock, a gallon Ziploc bag
with, you know, maybe ateaspoon or maybe a tablespoon,
if you're feeling really randyof catnip, and you just let him
(51:41):
kind of marinate in thatovernight and then you give that
to your cats and they will loveyou forever, if they don't
already, and they will also lovedavey forever.
We do have some video, I think,of our cats just attacking
davey little davey
Speaker 2 (51:55):
doll just we can share one of those videos, yeah,
one of One of these days.
It's pretty comical.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
Yeah, okay, let's see Can I do this.
Let's see if I can click thisbutton.
Oh, double Claire's.
There we go.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
All right.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Okay.
So so far we've got 95 entries,so hopefully you guys can see
that up there I'm going to dothe big old draw here.
Okay, listen, if I win, orClaire wins, or one of the mods
win, that's not us, that'sStreamYard, and it just picks
from the comments randomly.
Okay, I'm just saying thatbecause we have had a lot of
(52:29):
inside man winners lately.
Okay, here we go See.
If you don't see your nameflash by then, that means you
haven't commented.
Okay, oopsie, catherine Olsenalso won the other week too.
Rebecca B in the house.
Okay, rebecca, you know what todo.
You can email Claire at Claireat Blown for Good.
Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yep and send me your address.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
And then she is going to send you your own fake Navy
Davy doll.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
Yes, there we go.
Speaker 1 (52:59):
Oh, we should say what we're going to do.
That's a good point.
So we did the winner we did it,we're good.
Okay now.
Speaker 2 (53:05):
Congratulations, Rebecca B.
Speaker 1 (53:07):
We've got this here, skadoosh.
Look at that, the fake NavyDavy doll photo contest.
Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (53:15):
We are going to have you guys take pictures of your
fake Navy doll if you want.
It's just a game.
There's no, no one's going toget punished if you don't do it.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (53:26):
But if you do do it, you could win a prize.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
No, fake Navy Davies will be harmed.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Okay, so this is how we're going to do this.
We're going to have threewinners at the end of each month
.
Okay, so you send us yourphotos.
You go to blownforgoodcom, thecontact us page.
There's a way you can submit animage and you can write a
little blurb and say who you areand maybe what the situation of
this photo is that you've taken, and it just basically just
(53:54):
needs to have this little guy init.
If it's on top of the EmpireState Building, well that's
pretty cool.
If it's in Australia with anoceanfront view of the harbor
also very cool.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
We have found that, contrary to Scientology's
statements, these little fellastend to you know.
Speaker 1 (54:14):
They bring joy and happiness.
Speaker 2 (54:15):
They bring joy and comedy, not alarm and distress.
Yeah, joy and happiness is whatwe're into In fact, the last
person we gave one of these twowas just enamored, like he
really was.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
Actually I was kind of surprised because you know,
some people could be a littlesensitive about this little navy
davy doll fake navy doll but um, yeah, I kind of like it on
said extra points for fake navydavy at the local scientology
org.
Speaker 2 (54:40):
That I completely agree with because it never I
always appreciate seeing howempty the Scientology
organizations are.
I'm all for not having newpeople dragged into that
dangerous organization, whileour focus is getting people out.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Yeah, you know it's just all of that.
So we're going to have threewinners every month.
Yeah, you know, it's just allof that.
So we're going to have threewinners every month.
Speaker 2 (55:05):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (55:06):
Three winners every month.
We're going to have fanfavorite.
So if you post it on X and youget a thousand likes and four
comments and the next fanfavorite gets 800, the thousand
one wins.
So the more people you canshare it to and get it liked by,
that is what we're going toconsider the fan favorite of
(55:28):
that month.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Yeah, here I put up this comment from Clara.
I helped design these, so youshould know it was designed with
intentionality and attention todead eyes.
I mean details, exactly.
Well said.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
So there's going to be the fan favorite, which is
really going to be determined bythe, by the statistics of how
many times it's been shared, yep.
And then there's going to beClaire's favorite photo and
there's going to be my favoritephoto and the first podcast that
happens in the new month.
So let's say, for September,we're going to get all these
(56:03):
photos in.
People are going to send usscreenshots.
Look my thing, got a thousandretweets or whatever, or this or
that or the other thing, orshares or likes or whatever the
metrics are.
And then we're going to haveClaire's favorite and my
favorite favorite and we'regoing to announce those in the
podcast or the video.
That's the first one of thenext month, so that would be
(56:23):
October's after September.
Speaker 2 (56:25):
Yep.
So Sunday, october 5th, is whenwe'll announce this first round
.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Awesome, okay, and then what do you get?
Oh, what do you?
What do they look like?
These are ones.
We did this with thebobbleheads Mike, mike Rinder's
bobblehead.
It was very popular and we gota lot.
I mean, we got hundreds andhundreds of photos sent in and
there was some shoops as well.
I'm a big fan of shoops.
That's when you Photoshopsomething to be silly.
(56:51):
Now, with AI, shoops are justout of control.
So if you've got a good shoopthat could go, you could submit
Shoop's or or AI generated stuff.
Oh, Claire's just like decidedthat she's gone.
Okay, Bye, Claire, she's got togo to do the other thing, the
prizes you're going to.
You can win a Mike Rinder or aLeah bobblehead, one or the
(57:16):
other.
We I was saying in an episodewe might do the signed ones.
The signed ones are really forfundraising and we kind of got
them from the.
They have a signed headshot.
The Leah one has just Leah'ssigned headshot and the Mike has
just Mike's signed headshot.
But there is like a deluxepackage that supports these all
(57:38):
support the Aftermath Foundationand the spshopcom package that
supports these all support theaftermath foundation and the sp
shopcom.
But, um, then there's one withMike and Leah that they've both
in the headshot and they've bothsigned it and it's a Mike
bobblehead and a Leah bobblehead.
So that's like the deluxepackage.
So we're going to save thosefor the fundraising.
So you can just win thebobblehead on its own.
Um, you can pick.
If you want the Leah one, or ifyou want the Mike one, or if
(57:59):
you just want more Davy dolls,we'll send you more Davy dolls
as well.
Submit photos, go toblownforgoodcom slash, contact
us and you can tag us on atblown for good on X so we can
see it, because we'll retweet ittoo.
If we see it and if you get, ifyou tag us and we're able to
see it, that might help yourchances of being the fan
favorite.
You know what I mean?
Awesome.
(58:21):
Well, that's going to do it fortoday, guys, If you stick
around, you'll go right into theFoundation feed number seven.
They're going to be doing aninterview today and, yeah,
hopefully we got to enoughquestions and you guys like this
and let us know in the commentsif you want us to do more Q&As
or you want us to do DavidMiscavige stories or what do you
(58:44):
want.
We're watching, we're lookingat the comments and we try to
pay attention to that stuff.
Thanks, guys.
We'll see you next week.
Until next time, Thanks forwatching.
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