September 9, 2025 • 60 mins
Ever wondered what happens when you compress four decades of work into just 15 years? The math is staggering. At 109 hours per week—a conservative estimate—Sea Org members pack more work hours into their service than most people will complete in their entire careers.
The schedule begins at 7:45 AM with a bus ride to the compound, followed by a brief breakfast and mandatory muster where every staff member is accounted for. Then comes production time—making movies, cleaning facilities, manufacturing materials, or whatever your division requires. Lunch lasts a mere 30 minutes (sometimes just 15), including travel time across the 500-acre property. Another muster, more production, dinner, evening work, mandatory study time, and if you're lucky, you might get home by 11 PM to start again tomorrow. The same routine continues seven days a week, with only Sunday morning's "Clean Ship Program" offering a semblance of personal time—though even then, you're cleaning your quarters and doing laundry under supervision.
What makes this schedule particularly insidious is how it deliberately fragments relationships. Despite being married for nearly 14 years while in the Sea Org, we estimate we ate meals together perhaps 40 times total. Our schedules were intentionally staggered by an hour, ensuring the organization remained our primary focus rather than our relationship. Many married couples lived like ships passing in the night, sharing living quarters but rarely sharing experiences.
The financial reality compounds this control—earning roughly $50 weekly (before taxes), members must purchase their own hygiene supplies, laundry detergent, and even pay for laundry machine quarters. This perfect storm of exhaustion, isolation, and dependency creates an environment where questioning one's commitment becomes nearly imp
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Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
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being here.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, we have a good show today.
We're going to go through howlong Sea Org members work each
day and what they do, what theycould be doing, and then what
that equates.
And this is just for you and I.
Yes.
So if you were a Sea Org memberat a different location than the
international headquarters, youcould have had a totally
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different schedule and didthings at different times on
different days, but the hourswere about the same.
Maybe not as long as the impbase, the imp base.
Of all the Sea Org bases I'vebeen to, they go a little
crazier than a lot of the otherones.
A lot of the other ones have todo that when David Miscavige is
at their Sea Org base but thenwhen he leaves it goes back to
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the way it used to be, for themost part, yep, that's fair,
okay, so let's get right into it.
So this is our Sea Org years Now, we worked at the.
Both worked at theinternational headquarters, but
we were also at another placebefore we got there.
Yes.
So I joined the Sea Org in LosAngeles and I worked at the
Hollywood Guarantee Building,6331 Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how old were you when you joined the Sea Org?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was 15 when I joined the Sea Org, and I turned
16 when I was working at Able,and then, right before I went to
the base, I turned 17.
Okay.
And then no, did I turn 16 in89?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
yep I would have turned 16 in 89 yes, and you got
to the base, the headquartersin 1990 in like the end of may
1990 right okay, yes, so I so,and then I worked there from May
1980, 1990.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yep.
Does that seem right?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it does.
It does Because the floodhappened right after I got there
In August 1990,.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, okay, so then, and I left in January of 2005.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So that's the time period for me.
And now, when did you work so?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I joined.
Well, for me, you know, factorin.
I was in the Sea Organization'scadet organization from age
four to 10.
But then when I started my ownbillionaire contract, I was 16,
and that was in July of 1991.
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July of 1991.
And by September of 1991 iswhen I had been moved to the
headquarters in Gilman hotSprings 97, where I was in
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Clearwater Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, but for most of that time period your schedule
was relatively similar.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh, and we should say this Pretty much the entire
time, we were at the base and wewere married, we were on
different schedules so our mealtimes were off by one hour.
So I would eat at lunch but notthe same lunchtime you would go
to.
You would go an hour after Iwent and dinner and breakfast
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and and go home.
Going home and coming into themorning, everything was shifted
an hour.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, so even though we were married, by the time we
escaped, we had been married for13, going on 14 years.
That's true.
And we could probably say thatwe ate together maybe 40 times
in those years.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe, Because even when wewere on the same schedule, you
were part of the qual division.
So sometimes if there was asession or there was something
that went into a meal, then youwould just go after the meal or
you wouldn't go at all, andsometimes I was doing the
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similar thing, or I was on thenight shift, or you were off the
property, or you were inDenmark, or you were at an event
, or you were elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But yeah, like we, very like, I think originally
when we first got married inAugust 1992, we ate together,
you know, a few times at thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, maybe a few times a week.
Yeah.
When our schedules were sort ofthe same and there was nothing
crazy happening.
Then we would eat, maybe-.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Which was very rare, by the way.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So we maybe eat two or three times a week at that
time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, so maybe it was more than 40.
But nonetheless, the pointbeing in 13 and a half years we
were 100%.
It's fair to say we were shipspassing in the night in terms of
schedule, that is absolutely onpoint.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay, so that's the years we worked there.
Now this is the math of howthat works.
Okay, I'm just wanting, we wantto go through it.
So this is for me, from May1989 to January 4th 2005.
Yep.
Yeah, okay, good, so you get upat 745.
And, like I said, differentSeaork bases have different
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schedules, but this was theschedule for me at the end base.
For most of the.
The schedules always change too.
They, they tweak things andexercise time comes in and then
exercise time goes out.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Then this comes in time goes in, study time goes
out.
It's important to mention toothat though we have study time
listed here by the policywritten by L Ron Hubbard called
the Student's Guide toAcceptable Behavior, for a
student to attend study, theyhave to have had adequate sleep,
adequate food, not drunk anyalcohol not a problem there for
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Sea Org members nor taken anydrugs again not a problem there
for Sea Org members.
And so if you're notstudentable, then you just keep
working, or sometimes, aspunishment, they would put you
on doing like filing or somekind of menial task.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's true.
I didn't realize that it usedto be.
If you weren't studentable, youwould just go to the course
room and say, hey, I didn'tsleep enough, I can't study
tonight.
And they'd be like, okay, fine,you're not leaving, you're
going to do work for us here.
That's right, and as apunishment, so that you don't
just get out of having to go tostudy, you still have to show up
, right, cause some people wouldneed to get work done, they'd
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be like, oh, I'm just going totell them I didn't sleep, or
just make something up, and somepeople would just not go.
But if you didn't go, god, thisis going to take forever.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The other thing the ethics officers were supposed to
go around at study time andkick everybody out of their
offices and make them go tostudy time.
So, it was like anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Anyway, these things would come on and off.
Sometimes they'd be kicking you, but they go to study.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This is going to be a very deep conversation on the
ultimate bureaucracy of life inthis organization.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Anyway, let's just go through the schedule, We'll
talk, we'll highlight things aswe go, yeah, but I just want to
say this after every meal atleast after every meal there is
what's called a muster.
Yes, and a muster is supposedto take like five minutes, but
sometimes it can take five hours.
Yeah, they're just countingeverybody to make sure we didn't
lose anybody between this mealand the last meal.
(11:52):
Yes.
And they want to just counttheir chickens.
At least three times a day, seaOrg members are counting their
chickens.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, and so what does that look like?
You have all the staff.
So when I first got to theproperty, there were about I
don't know 500 plus staff inGolden Era Productions.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh no, it was more like 300.
The base had 500 people butgold had about gold at some.
Of its biggest was in the 300s.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, so you have 300 staff.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Golden Era Productions.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Minus out security who can't leave their posts,
minus out people on the nightshift or anyone who's just not
available.
But so let's say it's 250people all line up outside
Massacre Canyon Inn, which isthe dining hall at the property.
You line up by division, sothere's seven divisions.
Sometimes, well, there'smultiple production divisions.
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So let's say there's 10divisions.
All the executives line up upfront.
The division head of each ofeach division stands up front
with everyone lined up behindthem in pristine lines, and then
they do a roll call and theethics officer calls it off
Division one president accountedfor officer calls it off
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division one president accountedfor.
And then they would have to sayyou know, billy bob is
unaccounted for or you knowanyone who they didn't know
where their whereabouts.
They would have to say thosenames and the yeah the, the, the
ethics officer would take notesof that and then, immediately
right after the muster, go trackthose people down right yeah,
and then sometimes, when theywould read somebody out, you'd
be like, oh that guy's long gonelike somebody who's had been in
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trouble for weeks and weeks,and weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And then they're like hey, uh, alex billy bob is
unaccounted for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You're like oh, alex billy bob done got a head start
on you guys and I would like tomention always there was the the
most incidents of that type ofconversation on Sunday at
lunchtime.
Yes.
After we'd had two hours of CSP.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's what it was called Clean ship program.
It's basically where you doyour laundry and you clean.
We weren't on a ship.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Nor was it a program.
You just have to do yourlaundry and clean your room.
Nor was everything Then yourroom is then that afternoon
going to get a white gloveinspection.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, yeah, yeah, okay, you know we haven't even
gotten past breakfast, I know,okay, you got to.
Let me read the schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Go right ahead, honey , you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
There's just a lot of context.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
We haven't even gotten to breakfast yet.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We haven't even gotten on the bus.
Okay, I'm providingtelecommentary breakfast, yet we
haven't even gotten on the bus.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, I'm providing color commentary.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Okay, as I'm trying to do, play by play, to reenact
a day in the life of a Sea Orgmember, that's that's my attempt
here, Okay, good, here we go,745 to eight.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So at this time again , this is for us.
We lived 15 minutes from theproperty in Hemet, california,
in an apartment building calledKirby Gardens on Kirby Street in
Hemet.
Okay, so we would leave thereat 745 and get on a bus and the
bus would take us to theproperty and then at 8 o'clock
to 8.30 was breakfast.
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Now, some years, breakfast wasonly 15 minutes and muster-.
Some years all meals were 15minutes and then muster would be
at eight, 15 or it would itwould it just the they changed
over the years, but pretty muchevery year we started at the
same time and we ended at thesame time, no matter what
happened in the middle.
Yep.
So eight, 30 to 12, that'sproduction.
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So if you work making widgetsor you're cleaning toilets or
making movies or supervisingpeople doing courses, your
production time is when you dothat.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yep.
And at the start of each day,you have to prepare a battle
plan, which is that'sScientology's.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If we're going to do the whole day, we're never going
to get through even this oneslot.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's relevant.
So you have everything on yourbattle plan as to what you're
going to do that day to get yourstatistics up.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, and here's the crazy thing Okay, when you get
in the after breakfast, you gotto make sure you have a BP.
That's a battle plan.
And then you got to make surethat you're marking your graph
every single hour.
So if you make cassettes whereI work or you make a, you're
doing VHS tapes or whatever, yougot to count those every hour.
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You've got to mark it on agraph by your at your desk and
and that is referred to as aseven R graph which is from L
Ron Hubbard's executive series7R.
Yes, Anyway, and it's talkingabout the ultimate micromanager.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh, my God Dude and that's not even the only graph,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You have a weekly graph as well, and a monthly
graph?
No, yeah, weekly.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
As our kids would say Daily and weekly.
As our kids would say Bruh.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Bru, yeah, weekly, as our kids, daily, and weekly, as
our kids would say brah, brah,okay, um, anyway.
So then is it, are we?
Still live and people evenwatching this.
Okay, hello.
So if you don't have you, whenyou, when you first start for
the day, you got to make sureyou have all that stuff yes okay
, and then you work frombreakfast until lunch.
You have lunch.
Again it's a half hour,Sometimes it was 15 minutes.
It would shift 15 or forwardwhatever.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And, by the way, let me just interject one thing.
So, the compound is 500 acres,okay, so this is relevant
because if you work on like amile away from the dining hall,
you will not be caught deaddeparting for lunch even a
minute early.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, lunch is from 12 to 1230.
That includes your travel time.
If your building is 15 minutesand people would do this all the
time.
If your building is 15 minutesfrom where the mess hall is,
then you're going to eat up 15minutes of that half hour just
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getting there, yep.
And if the meal breaks 15minutes, this is a problem, yes,
so what?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
people would do just a cool nightmare.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
People would do.
People did this all over theproperty.
Just a cool nightmare.
What people would do?
People did this all over theproperty.
They'd be like, hey, I got togo bring this over to the
services division which is inthe back of the galley.
You'd have to bring somethingto some building near the mess
hall right before a meal, and ifyou could swing that, you'd be
like, hey, I'm going to run thisover to Billy Bob over in Cine,
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and Cine was right next to themess hall, and then the
cinematography division where Iworked for many years, and then
you could, you could bring thatover to them and and then you
could just be like, hey, here'sa piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I wanted to bring you how convenient.
Look at that it's 1159 and 59seconds.
What ta-da.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
How convenient.
Look at that.
I'm going to head on over 11.59in 59 seconds.
What amazing timing I have.
Okay, so you go eat lunch, thenthere's another muster.
Then from lunch to five youwork, okay.
And also, when you're in theSea Org and you're working, if
you ain't getting to doingsomething, you're going to get
smoked out pretty quick.
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So, like if you're one of thesepeople who likes to kind of
mill about and do busy work,yeah, that's not a thing in the
Sea Org there's no such thing asbusy work.
You're either working orcleaning, that's it.
And if you ain't got work to door studying, you got cleaning
to do.
Yeah, okay.
So then from 5 to 5.
Yeah, okay.
So then from five to five 30 isdinner.
From then this and this is likeI said, that different Sea Org
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bases they study in the morning,or they study in the afternoon,
or they study in the the.
They study all day, two days ofthe week, or they have it all
different.
But at this property, from five30 to, there's a muster again
at 5.30.
And then from 5.30 to 6.30, youjust go back to work or you do
your meetings, your end of theday meetings, or whatever, and
then you go and you havecleaning stations.
Every day Sea Org members haveto clean where they work.
(19:56):
There's no cleaners In most SeaOrg places.
There's no cleaners that areassigned to the property, unless
it's like a premier property orsomething that has to be
cleaned.
It's too much space for justthe people that work there to
clean, like at the Golden AirProductions we had a studio and
we had a studio cleaner and shehad an assistant.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, just because the studio had giant spaces.
Yeah, and same for the dininghall.
There were one or two peoplewho would clean that whole space
yeah, and don't think they callthem cleaners in the sea org.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They were.
They were doing crazy stuff wayback, okay for a long time,
especially golden eraproductions, at least in the 90s
yep it was a sanitationengineer.
Okay.
If you're taking out garbage,you're an engineer.
Yep, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You're like, and then there's a deputy You're doing
stuff with plastic, you knowcomposites recycling.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
There's some science in this thing, yes, and some
engineering.
Okay, Then from 7 to 1030,again different places had
different schedules.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
People go crazy when I would say we did this, oh, no,
7 to 9.30.
That's it, because it was twoand a half hours oh sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So 7, yeah, and it usually was a little.
They try to get you a littleout of there before 10.
Yeah.
Because people are just goingto start falling asleep anyway.
Yes.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, because people are just going to start falling
asleep anyway.
Yes, okay.
So yeah, it's 7 to 9.30.
It's a policy that any actuallyany Scientologist, but also
obviously Sea Org members aresupposed to get 12 and a half
hours of study per week, whichis five slots of two and a half
hours a day.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, then you would have
exercise time and then travel tobirthing, or you know,
depending on what was going on,that there could be.
That schedule could be youwould leave at 1045 and get home
at 11, or maybe you'd leave at1145 and get home at 12, or
there was a 145 bus, a 245 bus,yeah, and, and just to reiterate
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, this is a very conservativeestimation because, it's fair to
say, exercise was the firstthing to go.
So, like in my case, I didexercise time the first year we
were there, um, so maybe youknow, know that first year, but
after that I didn't do exerciseyeah, exercise time was one of
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those uh love hate, becausepeople would be like, oh, we get
exercise time, and then if youwent to exercise time and then
david miscavige showed up inyour area and he's like, hey,
where's mark?
And then somebody says he mightbe at exercise, sir.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And he'd be like that's giddy motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Is it exercise?
What's up with that?
He don't need no exercise.
Or he would do the exactopposite.
He would show up to exercisetime and he'd be like where is
everybody?
Aren't you guys supposed to getyour pay docked if you don't go
to exercise?
And then people are starting tothen get their pay docked
because they didn't go toexercise.
(23:09):
And then he goes to your areaand like where was Billy?
He's like, oh, he's at exercise, like goddamn worker, oriented
Right.
And you're just like oh.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And Kenny Siebold was the exercise.
What was his title?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was the well.
He was the sports fields incharge.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that was his actual post, but he was
responsible for exercise time.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But he was actually a .
He was in grounds.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He was in the grounds department.
Yeah.
And he mowed the lawns that wereon the exercise fields and he
just happened to also be theexercise instructor, and also
because Dave's exercise buildingwas down where exercise time
was supposed to be held, and hehad his own gym and bikes and
treadmills and all this fancydancy equipment, anyway, okay.
(23:52):
Okay, now you go home for thenight and then you're basically
you're supposed to sleep atleast seven hours.
That's kind of like theunspoken rule to be able to be
sessionable or studentable, youhave to sleep at least seven
hours.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, which means you get home, you get ready for bed
you go to sleep and you wake upin the morning.
Like the amount of times thatwe actually had capacity.
I mean, I don't know about you,I couldn't fall asleep.
I would read a book because Iwas off purpose.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I don't know, but that was the basic schedule for
the basic day, which is, let'ssay, and we're underestimating
it Dramatically let's say, itwas called where, and we're
underestimating it Dramatically.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Like there there are.
You'll see when we get to thenext slide why we're, why we're
prefacing this.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, yeah, because you.
There was the amount of timesyou went home on the three 40,
the two 45 bus instead of theright or when you were doing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know you are under a justice action.
So you had to be making amendsand burning the midnight oil, as
they would say.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, burning the midnight oil.
We burned all the oil, midnightoil.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We have none left.
We are dead out of midnight oil.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, so that's like a Monday through Saturday
schedule.
Yes, on Saturday we didrenovations, but we took up the
whole day.
That's what I'm trying to say,even if we did something
different.
We did renovations but we didit.
We took up the whole day.
That's what I'm trying to say,even if we did something
different.
We weren't doing it less.
Sunday you got to do what'scalled clean ship program, which
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is, you got to wash yourlaundry and clean your room, and
that went from 9 to 11.45.
Yep.
And that is basically in termsof free time.
That's your free time for theweek.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's an it's a stretch to call it free time.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I understand, but it was time, it was time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Officers would come around to and that's true, to
make sure you hadn't overslept.
And yeah actually cleaning yourrooms.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's right, of course.
I was going to say there was atime where you just you just
sleep in to 1145,.
Get up and go and just be likeyeah, I did my laundry on
Thursday night middle of thenight, I'm good to go.
Yeah, okay so.
But then they started doingmusters at where you lived.
Yes, that's right, so everybodywould have to go out and round.
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They'd round everybody up.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That was a rough looking muster man.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's, oh my God, people would come in their
underwear.
Yeah.
Basically, just like who cares?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like they just came out of bed.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And a t-shirt, no shoes, no socks.
Okay, yep, that's clean setprogram, then you.
Then, right after that, itbasically flips over to the
exact same schedule.
So we are saying, though, thatthat 9 to 11.45, that's your
time.
We're not going to include thatin the hours we're giving you
(26:50):
those hours.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, even though it's not free time.
Again, we've done a veryconservative estimate for the
sake of you know, painting avery clear picture of the best
case scenario.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Which it rarely was.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, now, I'm not a mathematician, so there could be
some errors in this math.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For the most part, ballpark.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, we're ballparking it and we're erring
on the side of low.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Because we know it's more than this.
We know, we lived it.
Yep.
Okay, so you're working 109hours a week.
That's the least amount of aweek.
There's no week in any Sea Orgthat's going to be a vast number
lower than that.
Right, they're all at leastworking about this.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Just depending on how much more they work could vary
from base to base, and by theway, as a comment, this also is
great context to mention thatelder Sea Org members are
sometimes put on a shortenedschedule.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Which is around 80 hours.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So, for example, yes, exactly, there was a um, a
staff member we were working tohelp escape from Los Angeles.
Not that long ago.
He had been diagnosed withstage three cancer and he was
put on a reduced schedule of 40hours a week.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, that's where these numbers.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, guys, seriously , yeah, it's bad, it's hardcore,
yeah, okay.
So 109 hours a week, that's5,668 hours a year, okay, 5,668.
Now, in work weeks, that's2,218 work weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right.
So if you factor in, mostpeople in the real world have a
job and they work 40 hours aweek and maybe they get you know
, between Christmas and July 4thand vacation, maybe they get
two three weeks off.
So again, they got two threeweeks off.
Yeah, so again, we haven'tfactored that in, we're just
saying 52 weeks in a year of a40-hour work week.
(29:04):
That's what it translates to is.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's 42 years.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, 42 years.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
In the regular world at a 40-hour a week job, and I
know some people don't work a40-hour week.
Some people work a 50 or a 60or an 80.
I understand that, but if youwere just doing a nine to five
job, that's 42 years of that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So which you did in 14, 15 years I squeezed 42 years
into 15 years.
It helps for context tounderstand why we have stories
for years.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Oh yeah, and so how many hours is that?
That's 88,726 hours, Right?
So when you say well, how longdid you do that for?
Well, I only did it for threeyears.
Yeah.
But I was clocking in 5,600hours a year, under three years.
So even though I did that forthree years, I did it for 15,000
(30:05):
or plus hours, right, justright, because that's how long I
was working on it, right?
So some of the things that Iworked on at least 10,000 hours
on is audiovisual manufacturingof cassettes, vhs, laser discs,
cd and DVDs, audiovisual qualitycontrol, av systems
manufacturing, first assistantdirector, video production,
(30:28):
video and film pre-production,film production, video
production, av systems, designand integration.
Those were all the things thatI worked on during that time.
Design and integration, thosewere all the things that I
worked on during that time.
Now I worked on a ton of otherthings too.
We did construction.
I did electrical plumbing,drywall, stone, veneer, concrete
.
I did so many things, but Ididn't do them 10,000 hours I
(30:50):
only did those about four or5,000 hours, so I didn't even
them.
10,000 hours, right?
I only did those about you knowfour or 5,000 hours, so I
didn't even include those on thelist, right?
Those are just hobbies.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because what is it?
They say it takes 10,000 hoursto become an expert.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
At something or something like that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay.
So that's me.
That's a lot.
Now that I'm looking at it likethis, that's a lot, okay.
The only thing you can't getback you can make as much money
that you want to get, you can'tget the time back.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Here's Claire, all right.
So Golden Era Productions, Iwas in the staff training
department from 1991 until 1996.
And I had the same schedule.
However, as we've mentioned,because I was in the staff
training department and myposition was supervisor, which
(31:44):
is closest real world equivalentis teacher.
But Hubbard policy dictatedthat you had to have one
supervisor teacher to 20students and that ratio had to
be in place no matter what, orheads would roll.
So there were many times when Ijust had to work through meals
(32:07):
because I either had nobody toreplace me and there were
students still studying orwhatever.
So there you go.
But yeah, during these yearswas the closest amount of time
where I would somewhat sometimesbe on a similar schedule to you
.
Yeah, even though we worked onopposite sides of the property
(32:29):
and therefore we rarely saw eachother.
So, yeah, yeah, but againbasically the same schedule
16.25 hours a day.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Same things Mustards, production, study time, all the
same stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Exactly Okay, then, from 1996, march 1996 until
January 24th, or actually no 96until it was September, october
2004.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, this says to 2004, because you got kicked out
of RTT and I got put in thehole yeah, but your schedule was
pretty much exactly the same.
That didn't change.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yep, so again.
So the management organizationsand religious technology center
were on a one-hour laterschedule.
That way the dining hall.
So the dining hall had twoshifts for breakfast, two shifts
for lunch, two shifts fordinner and so forth.
So basically, and I would, myallocated study time was in the
(33:28):
morning, from 930 to 12.
And then again the rest of itis basically the same.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, ok.
So there's those hours.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yep, so again, 109 hours per week.
Very, very conservatively,79,352 hours, which for me was
the equivalent of 38.15 years Ifyou're measuring those hours
worked against a 40-hour workweek in the real world.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, that's so crazy .
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And yeah, areas I worked staff training, staff
auditing or counseling.
For one year I was training tobe an RTC representative in
Clearwater, florida, then staffcorrection, where I was involved
with overseeing and correctingmanagement executives, and then,
(34:22):
from 2000 to 2004, rtc internal, which was staffing, human
resources, finances, training,et cetera.
And I put I added goldmanufacturing, all hands on
there, because do you rememberthat I, while I was in Religious
Technology Center, I was thefastest CD stuffer on the entire
(34:45):
property?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Which was kind of funny because I was a
manufacturing guru and she was amanufacturing guru and we also.
There was a time period atGolden Era Productions where
this giant castle called theCine Castle, the cinematography
division's studio, was housed bya castle, yes, and they cleared
(35:11):
out all of the sets in thestudio, every single last piece
of set or equipment or film crewlighting, anything, and they
turned it into the manufacturingdivision of golden era
production.
So we had shrink wrappers inthere, we had forklifts, we had
all of the equipment that youwould find in a, in a
manufacturing facility, insideof a film studio, and the entire
(35:36):
property.
It didn't matter where youworked.
You had a job in manufacturing.
You were either a shrink wrapper, or you stuffed CDs into these
special binders, or youeverybody did.
And even though I was the headof the manufacturing division, I
was a much better shrinkwrapper than any other shrink
(35:57):
wrapper manufacturing division.
I was a much better shrinkwrapper than any other shrink
wrapper.
So during an all hands whereeverybody on the property came
to do stuff, I would run theshrink wrap machines because
that was the fastest.
I was the fastest and I couldalso fix them if they broke, and
they always broke.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So um as is likely to happen when you operate
something close to 24 hours aday.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So Claire did 79,000.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, oh, and then I included attending meetings with
David.
Miscavige, because you know,gosh, I should figure out one
day what the actual figure ofhours of meetings attended, but
it was depressing how much itwas so here's a great question.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'm going to do it right now, just because it's
code monkey oh, code monkeyquestion.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
not to get personal, but why do people in the Sea Org
get married?
If you never see your partner,how can you have any sort of
relationship?
Yeah, that is a really goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I will give you the very down and dirty answer
yeah, One in the Sea Org.
You can't be messing around ifyou're not married.
So that's one good reason.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And the threat of going to the rehabilitation
project, for should your handslip and touch you know an
intimate location, then thenthat's not going to be good.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, the other reason, it's a very tragic
outcome.
Is.
I don't know how it is at otherSea Org bases In Los Angeles
you could be in a dorm with 20other dudes At the base.
It was usually only about fouror five other people in one
birthing.
Sometimes it got a little crazy, but usually for the most part
it was four or five people inyour dorm that you would have to
(37:33):
share a bathroom and then maybesome sleeping things with or
whatever.
Share a bathroom and then maybesome sleeping things with or
whatever, but if you weremarried, just one person.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
See how that works you just gave me a flashback of
the time when marion pow wasmaking trying to force me to
divorce you yeah um, and I sentyou that letter with the rings
and which, by the way, we havethat letter.
It's's so embarrassing,mortally embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm going to read it to everybody one day.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
She's like send me her rings.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Part two, and I didn't say I wasn't asking for a
divorce.
It was how I got Marion off myback, but I will never forget
that you were like what the heckLaughable.
Why are you giving me?
What is with this letter?
Could, with this letter, couldwe not have had a conversation
first and then you were like youcannot do this to me.
Literally, all I'm going to beseeing is hairy butts for the
(38:22):
rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I was like I ain't moving out.
You can divorce me, but I'mwe're staying in the same bed,
still in the same room.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay, that's a that's a sad but true folks.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Okay, a lot, a lot Is that.
It Is that the end, thank youyeah, there we go okay, before I
forget, it's my friend chris'sbirthday.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I told him I was gonna do this yeah, happy
birthday chris, um okay chris isour very dear mutual friend.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's actually the friend I've had since I was five
years old and he also used towork at the base in that all in
the cinematography division withme.
Yeah, he and I were in thecadet for all you spies out
there trying to keep track ofthis.
Should we do the giveaway?
I have something really cool Iwant to talk about after the
giveaway.
Also, by the way, oh yeah, yeah, remember we got other stuff we
(39:08):
got to do.
Yeah.
We get 20 minutes Go ahead.
Davey dolls.
That's our new thing, daveydolls.
We're coming up on christmas.
We're coming up on christmas,we got to get rid of these davy
dolls?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I have so many of these.
Should we do a dave on theshelf competition?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
we should, actually we should.
If you have one of these,that's a good idea yeah what
should we give away if they werethe mike and leah signed
bobblehead?
Yeah, the one that has thesigned headshots.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
With both of them signing it, and then one of each
bobblehead.
Yeah.
If you take a picture, that'sreally good.
Let's try not to do AI.
I kind of feel bad.
I think maybe we should do oneAI and one real world.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, so two categories, you're saying.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, because you can't really compare them
together.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, but if somebody Photoshop's or does something
funny and it's really reallygood, then we should recognize
it.
Yeah, because some people arenot going to take.
They're not going to take thisand go to the.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
We should include the elements of creativity, not
only the picture but the title,like dave in a cave, you know
well, yeah dave on a wave.
Dave dave trying his hand at astave.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Whatever, dave in a cave anyway, okay, holy moly,
okay, but from now on, all thegiveaways we're going to do on
the channel until we don't haveany more of these little guys,
if you win, you win this.
Yeah, because we got to get ridof these.
We got a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I'm gonna say there's a lot of davy elves in the
world, but there's also a lotthere's, you know, probably
about a third left, so we wouldlike to.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
We got to get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, these are great for dog treats and contrary to
what scientology says outsidesaint hill in the united kingdom
, they do not cause alarm anddistress.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
That's true, they literally and you know there's a
weird thing happening onYouTube.
I can never add these anymoreto the store for some reason.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I noticed that too.
It's because they'reself-fulfilled.
I don't know why I have tocontact fourth wall and see if I
can do that.
Cause I noticed the same.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like we can't add the foundation cards no, that
doesn't make sense, because thebooks, I can add my books and my
books oh, okay take anotherstab at it.
Um, you can um pour catnip allover these things makes for some
amazing video put it in a ball,in a ball jar.
(41:37):
Yep and seal with catnip andyour cat will love this toy for
the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We have three cats.
We do we have three cats andtwo dogs.
It's like a circus up in this.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, there's the same amount of animals as there
are humans, which personally Ithink is a nice balance.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Anyway, they love these things, dogs and cats
alike.
They love them.
They rip these things and theythey're pretty strong.
They do have a little Velcrothing on here so you can hang it
from stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But you know other than that.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Anyway, get in there and get some of them.
They're on the SP shop.
I'll put a link in thedescription, but they're on the
spshopcom and every one of thesethat we sell.
The proceeds go to theAftermath Foundation to support
the Aftermath Foundation and buyyourself a Captain Space Navy,
davey, fakie, wavy, whateverthey call them on the SP shop.
(42:29):
Get yourself one of these.
We're going to do a drawing.
It says zero entries.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
It may need to be refreshed or maybe we said it
wrong, so you have to do ahashtag and we didn't tell folks
.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
No no.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Hmm, okay, here Time.
Today we will be doing part twoof an interview with John
Christensen, so this stream willredirect to that, but if you
haven't subscribed to theYouTube channel over there, we
would greatly appreciate yoursupport.
It's a very, very easy way tosupport the work that we do at
the Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Okay, so I did figure it out, I think somewhat, but
it's only got 27 drawings, so Iknow that it's got more than
that.
So if you want to, I'm going to.
We'll do it at the end.
We'll do it at the very end.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, perfect.
So if you want to enter in towin, any comment is
automatically entered, or shouldbe.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It probably wasn't hooked up or something at the
start Okay, yeah, so all good.
This is the next thing I want totalk about, and I did link to
this in the description.
There is a website that isgoing to now be the repository
for it looks like Scientologydocuments.
Somebody sent me this link.
They don't want to.
They don't want anybody to knowwho they are, so they just
(44:08):
anonymously sent me this, andthis is the Scientology database
, and it has OSA network orders.
It literally has the entiretyof the policies that the Office
of Special Affairs operates offof, and you can read them on the
site Also.
(44:30):
They do have this version.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh, I like that one.
I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
If you go to the top and say light, it'll turn it
back to this version, nice.
So if you like the matrix, look.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Currently, the two databases that are populated on
this is the OSA network ordersand a glossary.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, so the documents have a lot of verbiage
in them, and so, in order tounderstand these documents,
there is a dictionary of all ofthe terminology that they use in
the C-ORG and in OSA, which isvery important.
The website is calledscnfilescom.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yep Sierra Charlie North SCN Files.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, listen to Miss Aviation over here, okay, so go
check it out if you want to lookthrough these things.
There's no question.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Here.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'll show you.
Look, actually I have these.
There we go.
So these are the office ofspecial affairs, osa network
orders and it it has.
The entirety of them are inhere.
So I don't know whose site thisis and I don't know how long
this is going to be up, but ifyou want to look at any of this
stuff, you can download it.
(45:43):
And I went there and there wasthis pdf and I downloaded and it
literally it has the purpose,it has the reputation of
scientology and l ron hubbard, Imean it's we're talking this
slide, uh, this document, thispdf of this thing, it's a lot,
it's all of the pages.
(46:03):
Yeah, so yep if you guys want to, uh, go check that out.
It's pretty wild.
And the other thing is thatthere are people leaving
Scientology and there's notreally a place to put these
things, so this might actuallycome in handy.
I don't know if there's a wayyou can send them files.
(46:23):
Anyway, I don't know how they'dverify that.
I don't know how that wouldwork, but either way, there's
2,847 documents on the websiteright now.
Let's see.
We maybe will check back in onthis site in a few months and
see how much stuff they've added.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
But it's an awesome repository, like you said,
because even though there's somuch information out there, you
kind of have to go to multipledifferent locations and it can
be very, very difficult to know.
There's so many awesomeversions of books and everything
else.
(47:04):
So between the glossary and thedocuments.
Oh, let's see.
Codemonkey Osa is going to havea fun time trying to figure out
who is running this site.
Yes, completely.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That would be a fun thing.
Oh, I just saw it looks like wegot a.
How do you put that up?
How do I put up this?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Crystal, is it like that at every org?
At some point the tasks mustbecome repetitive and redundant.
Is there some poor soul outthere vacuuming the same carpet
12 times every day?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, there is, this is the one.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
But also on the cleaning stations.
You have to get inspectionswith the white gloves so they'll
come along and be like you yougot dirt well, they're not.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
The shelves down right by where you're at are the
problem, it's when they're onthe top of doorways right above
light and conveniently.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Many of the ethics officers doing those inspections
were incredibly tall.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes, that's true right it's totally true.
I'm putting this little littledavey guy there um dr x.
Uh, thank you very much for thesuper chat.
She says hi all.
How would you guys communicatewhen you were separated in
different locations?
You had the phones, but if youdidn't, how would you talk to
your spouse?
Did you have to get permissionto call or write?
We will fund the winners.
(48:21):
Oh well, that's very nice.
You don't have to do that, butyeah, we would.
There were times where I mightnot talk to Claire for like a
month or two.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Or longer, Like when I was in Clearwater and by which
time I was in ReligiousTechnology Center because I was
classified as being on mission,which means just I was on a
special project versus my normalassigned position.
Yeah.
I would have to have acompleted staff work approved by
(48:52):
four or five people to be ableto call you.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, I didn't have to have anything like that
because I was in Golden ArrowProductions and because you were
a rebel.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, you were supposed to.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Maybe you did when you were in denmark I didn't
need approval to call anybody, Ijust would call I had to have
approval to call you well, yeah,but I was in denmark.
Who's going to tell me what todo in denmark?
I was the boss of my domainanyway, regardless.
Um, we didn't talk that much wedid, did not.
No, um, okay, uh, let's go backand see if we can do this.
(49:29):
I'm going to get rid of that.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I'm going to get this .
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm going to flip back over to here.
And then we got 43.
Okay, we're going to do adrawing.
Here we go Skadoosh.
Hopefully I don't win again.
I won last week um I'm I didn'tcomment this week, so it
wouldn't be me oh, that's reallyhelpful.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's so specific, well, youtube user no, we're
gonna redo it oh why.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Well, if they how are they going to verify they're
the youtube user?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
they can say, well, because that's their handle,
isn't that their handle handle?
I don't know.
I mean okay, so listen we'renot interested in in any
injustices.
So, youtube user if you send mean email, clara at blown.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I guess yeah, I don't think that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Go ahead and do one more.
We're we're kind of not surehow this works with a generic
handle like that, but you didwin, fair and square.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
You're winning a Davey doll, no matter what
happens.
You're winning a Davey doll,here we go.
And Catherine Olsen, I'mtelling you man.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
We're not having the best of luck.
This DreamYard giveaway tool is.
Your cats will love it,catherine.
I think she has some, yeah,okay, well, if she doesn't, then
I'll send her to one.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We gotta do it again.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
We gotta do it again never a dull moment over here,
and yeah and z news cave thereyou go, chandra.
Okay, congratulations you justwon yourself a baby doll, the
person who's in colorado too, ifI remember correctly?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Oh well, there you go , We'll save on shipping.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
There you go.
Boom Bob's, your uncle.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Okay, let's see if we can get.
You know, I realized I wasthinking we could go back to our
normal way, which is let's seeif I do it.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Boom, there we go.
Boom, there we go.
Okay, you want to do somequestions?
Yes, let's do this.
Okay, here we go.
All right, manon, when did youhave time to buy essentials?
Great question, so sometimes.
Well, in the early years whenwe were living in Hemet at Kirby
Gardens, if you got yourcleaning done, you could do a
(51:47):
brisk walk to what was it?
Walmart at that time?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
a brisk walk.
That's a half hour walk, I know, on a good day yeah, you or
some you could bike on your bike.
Normal bike walk is too, thatthat's oh, I've walked it before
well, I know, but then you burn, you're burning, uh, 45 minutes
there, 45 minutes back back.
There's no half hour.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I mean, I don't know, my walk counts as a jog, more
like.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
We should go there and do do a reenactment Anyway,
the point being that sometimeswe would be allowed to go into
town or to a Vons um to get likeshampoo and basic supplies, and
that would be if you had savedup enough money from your $46 a
week to buy hygiene supplies.
However, in what was that?
(52:33):
1993, 1994-ish?
That was banned and then theychanged it so that the canteen
would stock the shampoo and thehygiene supplies.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Oh yeah, you had to buy your own laundry detergent.
Yep, you had to.
You did have to pay for yourlaundry too.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
You had to get quarters and do all the normal.
There were laundry machines atthe in the apartment complex but
you had to have quarters.
I think it was 75 cents to washand 50 cents to dry, or a
dollar to dry or something likethat, or a dollar to wash and 75
cents to dry or something likethat Either way, that's.
That's the answer to thatquestion.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, which answers this next question.
Did you have to pay to do yourlaundry.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yes, we did.
Oh, hi, glenda, good to see youhere.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yes, we did.
Oh, yeah, we did that one.
Okay, let me just, I'm justgoing to, I'm now, I'm just
putting up stuff, okay, noworries, Brian question.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Does the average Scientologist know about the
brutal work schedule in the SeaOrg?
What are their perceptions oflife in the Sea Org?
Another great question.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
So I think well, there's two answers to that.
Many Scientologists have hadstints in the Sea Org at various
times, like, for example, mymother.
So yes, they know it's a veryhard, grueling schedule.
(53:59):
They may not know all the insand outs, but they see the staff
at the organizations, and soit's not like this wouldn't
surprise them for sure.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
They're not going like oh, I didn't know, you guys
work so hard, right, they?
They know.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
They know, they know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Okay, what's this one saying?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Okay, maybe some of the spy files could go up.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I'll.
I'll see if I can reach out tothis person or people or
whatever and answer back ontheir weird email they sent and
say I mean I'm sure they'll get.
I mean those files are theycould put those up there?
I think they would have to.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
We have absolutely been noticing a significant
uptick in emails from under theradar people, which this is not
from an under the radar personto be clear we don't know it is.
Okay, where does mark buy hisshirts?
Speaker 1 (54:48):
now at hot topic no, this is an untuck.
It okay, I like these shirts.
This I actually got.
This is a.
I just got this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I like it yeah, there you go it's nice and thin it's
colorful it's comfy okay yep,there you go.
Auditingology Casey, when isthe last time that the ESSO got
a raise?
Yeah, so I think that's aquestion Catherine would be able
to answer better than I can,but we heard that they did.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
It went up.
Like in Florida.
It went up.
Traditionally Sea Org membersmake $50 a week.
Yep, that's it $50.
And then they take taxes out ofthat, that's it $50.
And then they take taxes out ofthat, so it's actually $46.28
when they're done with that taxas it used to be.
It could be different now.
It was that for many years.
But then in Florida we heard arumor that it went up to $75 or
(55:36):
$100 for a little while and thenit went back.
We were told no, it went backdown.
So it went up to $100.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
And there's also been periods in there where it was
like by direct deposit so it wasmandatory, but then there's
been a lot of changes so, yeah,we'd have to ask.
We'll ask some of the peoplethat are leaving these days
which was their last amount,most of the time it's been $50.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And funnily enough, they'll say it's going to go up,
and then it never goes up inthe Sea Org.
So that's been a thing for awhile too.
And then we and traditionallyScientology staff members would
make more, but then we found outthat they make very little.
Sometimes they might not evenmake $20 a week as a Scientology
(56:24):
, like a full-time or apart-time Scientology staff
member in the middle of Keokukor something With that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
it's time for me to teleport.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Claire's going to leave.
I'm going to close this thingout and we're going to.
I'll answer a few morequestions here.
Let me see if I put it thereyou go.
Now you can exit clean.
Hopefully this sounds good andlooks good this week.
Guys, we had to redo a bunch ofstuff in here.
I'm going to tell you guys nowthat Claire's gone and then we
(56:53):
are going to redirect into theFoundation feed.
So if you just stay watching,you'll end up with Claire and
Phil on the Foundation feednumber six I think it is and
they're going to do part twowith John Christensen, as far as
I know.
I'm pretty sure that's what itis, so that will be exciting.
(57:13):
We had a light switch that wasup in the ceiling and it was
turning on and off during ourstreams and it did turn on.
We now have it just hooked upto a light over in the corner
and it did turn on and off rightbefore the stream but it hasn't
done anything since it is asmart switch that I don't have
(57:34):
set up, so maybe somebody hackedinto this switch and they're
messing with it during it onlydoes this when we're doing the
streams.
I have it plugged in and justsitting there and it's been
sitting there doing nothinguntil right before we went live
and it turned off and on a fewtimes.
Spooky, spooky, spooky.
Okay, I saw another Dr Xquestion said who would
supervise the ethics folks?
(57:56):
Security would mainly be thekeepers of the people that were
in trouble the security guards.
You sort of get assigned to asecurity guard and they're kind
of like the one who you have tocheck in with before you go find
a place to sleep on theproperty and that kind of thing.
So if they're looking for you,they need to know where to find
you.
Okay, guys, I think that'sgoing to do it as normal.
(58:20):
I will put up some comments onthe screen as we're doing the
end, whatever.
It's called the outro.
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um, okay, hey guys, can you hear us?
We, um, we're doing something alittle different today.
We've got a little bit of adifferent setup, so we just want
to make sure it looks likeeverything's live.
I can hear the audio going out.
Let's just see if we've got mylovely wife Claire here today.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Testing, testing.
Hello, hello, happy Sunday.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Well, I don't hear anybody saying they can't hear
us, so I think we should be goodhere, guys, as usual, if you're
joining us here today, tell usin the comments where you are
watching from or listening from,and we like to hear from all
the different countries, andwhile we're waiting for people
(00:58):
to show up, we like to put a fewof those up on the screen, and
so we're going to do that herereal quick.
Let me see if I can get Claireback in here.
There she is, okay.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You ready here?
Let's see, it's always a littlenerve wracking when you've
changed the setup.
It really is.
It's like oh boy, hello world,are you out there?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
You know what?
I just had an idea.
We could even do this Hi fromIndiana.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Hi bears Mom.
Thanks for joining us.
This Bear's mom.
Hi from Indiana.
Hi Bear's mom.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
Thanks for joining us Trying to think of.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
What are we doing here?
You want me to work on thecomments while you do that, so
we're multitasking here intandem.
All right, here we go.
Okay, paul Schwach, the Moparguy Hello, from sunny California
home of Celebrity Center wherewe got married.
Yes, indeed, oh look.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Anita hi, from the Netherlands.
I was like, wow, I think I'mseeing myself in double right at
the moment.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah, that was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Mary Kay London, hi from Albuquerque, new Mexico
Awesome Thanks for joining ustoday.
Janine, hi from the NetherlandsYay, netherlands represent Matt
.
Denny, hi from Norfolk, england.
Thanks for being here.
Matt S hi guys.
Love from the UK Yay, I alwaysappreciate love from the UK, my
(02:19):
home country.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Okay, I got it now.
There you go.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Katrina.
Good evening everyone.
Happy Sunday Funday fromReading, uk.
Yay Cher.
Hello from the Netherlands,boom.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Netherlands, man.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yes, jdr.
Hello from Florida, nice, manon, hi all.
Good evening from you, guessedit the Netherlands, nice.
What's going on over?
Speaker 1 (02:44):
guessed it, the Netherlands, nice.
What's going on over there?
Speaker 2 (02:46):
I love it.
It's okay, shonan and Ra.
Hello from a North Carolinianin Connecticut.
I was an almost in.
Thanks for these Finally caughtalive, amazing.
Well, thank you for being hereand thanks for being an almost
in.
Thank goodness you were not anin and now an outie.
You know that there's always asilver lining.
(03:07):
Kbd.
Hello from Ireland.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
I just realized, if I have us both on here, I can't
cut away from myself when I'mdrinking.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, well, you can.
You can adjust having yourcoffee, yep, but you can put it
back to me on the, in those rareinstances where you need to get
some extra caffeine.
Yeah, there you go.
Yep, but you can put it back tome on the in those rare
instances where you need to getsome extra caffeine.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yep Becky big brother fan.
Good evening from Reading, uk.
Awesome Swathika Chandra.
Greetings from Colorado.
Boom Greetings back fromColorado.
Yes.
Good evening from Sweden.
Nice Thanks for being here.
Howdy from Wyoming Awesome MarkT, oakland, california M.
(03:51):
Hello from Washington, luna3120.
Hello from New Hampshire,joseph Brian Stanley.
Greetings from Speedway,indiana Doodle Dom.
Hello from Cologne, germany,catherine Olson.
Let's see if Mark can pronounceWillamette.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Willamette Valley, willamette, saskatchewan.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Heather, hello from Louisiana.
Never a dull moment over hereat Blown for Good Scientology
Exposed Patty.
Hello fellow SPs from NewLondon, connecticut.
Hi, patty, good to see you here.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
Nice, okay, good, I think that's good.
We did it, we got through it.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
For anyone we missed, hello anyway, we appreciate you
being here.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Yeah, we have a good show today.
We're going to go through howlong Sea Org members work each
day and what they do, what theycould be doing, and then what
that equates.
And this is just for you and I.
Yes.
So if you were a Sea Org memberat a different location than the
international headquarters, youcould have had a totally
(05:01):
different schedule and didthings at different times on
different days, but the hourswere about the same.
Maybe not as long as the impbase, the imp base.
Of all the Sea Org bases I'vebeen to, they go a little
crazier than a lot of the otherones.
A lot of the other ones have todo that when David Miscavige is
at their Sea Org base but thenwhen he leaves it goes back to
(05:25):
the way it used to be, for themost part, yep, that's fair,
okay, so let's get right into it.
So this is our Sea Org years Now, we worked at the.
Both worked at theinternational headquarters, but
we were also at another placebefore we got there.
Yes.
So I joined the Sea Org in LosAngeles and I worked at the
Hollywood Guarantee Building,6331 Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
And how old were you when you joined the Sea Org?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
I was 15 when I joined the Sea Org, and I turned
16 when I was working at Able,and then, right before I went to
the base, I turned 17.
Okay.
And then no, did I turn 16 in89?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
yep I would have turned 16 in 89 yes, and you got
to the base, the headquartersin 1990 in like the end of may
1990 right okay, yes, so I so,and then I worked there from May
1980, 1990.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yep.
Does that seem right?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Yeah, it does.
It does Because the floodhappened right after I got there
In August 1990,.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, okay, so then, and I left in January of 2005.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
So that's the time period for me.
And now, when did you work so?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I joined.
Well, for me, you know, factorin.
I was in the Sea Organization'scadet organization from age
four to 10.
But then when I started my ownbillionaire contract, I was 16,
and that was in July of 1991.
(07:03):
July of 1991.
And by September of 1991 iswhen I had been moved to the
headquarters in Gilman hotSprings 97, where I was in
(07:29):
Clearwater Florida.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yeah, but for most of that time period your schedule
was relatively similar.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh, and we should say this Pretty much the entire
time, we were at the base and wewere married, we were on
different schedules so our mealtimes were off by one hour.
So I would eat at lunch but notthe same lunchtime you would go
to.
You would go an hour after Iwent and dinner and breakfast
(07:57):
and and go home.
Going home and coming into themorning, everything was shifted
an hour.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, so even though we were married, by the time we
escaped, we had been married for13, going on 14 years.
That's true.
And we could probably say thatwe ate together maybe 40 times
in those years.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe, Because even when wewere on the same schedule, you
were part of the qual division.
So sometimes if there was asession or there was something
that went into a meal, then youwould just go after the meal or
you wouldn't go at all, andsometimes I was doing the
(08:39):
similar thing, or I was on thenight shift, or you were off the
property, or you were inDenmark, or you were at an event
, or you were elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
But yeah, like we, very like, I think originally
when we first got married inAugust 1992, we ate together,
you know, a few times at thebeginning.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, maybe a few times a week.
Yeah.
When our schedules were sort ofthe same and there was nothing
crazy happening.
Then we would eat, maybe-.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Which was very rare, by the way.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
So we maybe eat two or three times a week at that
time.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Yeah, so maybe it was more than 40.
But nonetheless, the pointbeing in 13 and a half years we
were 100%.
It's fair to say we were shipspassing in the night in terms of
schedule, that is absolutely onpoint.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Okay, so that's the years we worked there.
Now this is the math of howthat works.
Okay, I'm just wanting, we wantto go through it.
So this is for me, from May1989 to January 4th 2005.
Yep.
Yeah, okay, good, so you get upat 745.
And, like I said, differentSeaork bases have different
(09:53):
schedules, but this was theschedule for me at the end base.
For most of the.
The schedules always change too.
They, they tweak things andexercise time comes in and then
exercise time goes out.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Then this comes in time goes in, study time goes
out.
It's important to mention toothat though we have study time
listed here by the policywritten by L Ron Hubbard called
the Student's Guide toAcceptable Behavior, for a
student to attend study, theyhave to have had adequate sleep,
adequate food, not drunk anyalcohol not a problem there for
(10:19):
Sea Org members nor taken anydrugs again not a problem there
for Sea Org members.
And so if you're notstudentable, then you just keep
working, or sometimes, aspunishment, they would put you
on doing like filing or somekind of menial task.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's true.
I didn't realize that it usedto be.
If you weren't studentable, youwould just go to the course
room and say, hey, I didn'tsleep enough, I can't study
tonight.
And they'd be like, okay, fine,you're not leaving, you're
going to do work for us here.
That's right, and as apunishment, so that you don't
just get out of having to go tostudy, you still have to show up
, right, cause some people wouldneed to get work done, they'd
(10:58):
be like, oh, I'm just going totell them I didn't sleep, or
just make something up, and somepeople would just not go.
But if you didn't go, god, thisis going to take forever.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
The other thing the ethics officers were supposed to
go around at study time andkick everybody out of their
offices and make them go tostudy time.
So, it was like anyway.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Anyway, these things would come on and off.
Sometimes they'd be kicking you, but they go to study.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
This is going to be a very deep conversation on the
ultimate bureaucracy of life inthis organization.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Anyway, let's just go through the schedule, We'll
talk, we'll highlight things aswe go, yeah, but I just want to
say this after every meal atleast after every meal there is
what's called a muster.
Yes, and a muster is supposedto take like five minutes, but
sometimes it can take five hours.
Yeah, they're just countingeverybody to make sure we didn't
lose anybody between this mealand the last meal.
(11:52):
Yes.
And they want to just counttheir chickens.
At least three times a day, seaOrg members are counting their
chickens.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, and so what does that look like?
You have all the staff.
So when I first got to theproperty, there were about I
don't know 500 plus staff inGolden Era Productions.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh no, it was more like 300.
The base had 500 people butgold had about gold at some.
Of its biggest was in the 300s.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Okay, so you have 300 staff.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Golden Era Productions.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Minus out security who can't leave their posts,
minus out people on the nightshift or anyone who's just not
available.
But so let's say it's 250people all line up outside
Massacre Canyon Inn, which isthe dining hall at the property.
You line up by division, sothere's seven divisions.
Sometimes, well, there'smultiple production divisions.
(12:44):
So let's say there's 10divisions.
All the executives line up upfront.
The division head of each ofeach division stands up front
with everyone lined up behindthem in pristine lines, and then
they do a roll call and theethics officer calls it off
Division one president accountedfor officer calls it off
(13:05):
division one president accountedfor.
And then they would have to sayyou know, billy bob is
unaccounted for or you knowanyone who they didn't know
where their whereabouts.
They would have to say thosenames and the yeah the, the, the
ethics officer would take notesof that and then, immediately
right after the muster, go trackthose people down right yeah,
and then sometimes, when theywould read somebody out, you'd
be like, oh that guy's long gonelike somebody who's had been in
(13:27):
trouble for weeks and weeks,and weeks.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
And then they're like hey, uh, alex billy bob is
unaccounted for.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
You're like oh, alex billy bob done got a head start
on you guys and I would like tomention always there was the the
most incidents of that type ofconversation on Sunday at
lunchtime.
Yes.
After we'd had two hours of CSP.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
That's what it was called Clean ship program.
It's basically where you doyour laundry and you clean.
We weren't on a ship.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Nor was it a program.
You just have to do yourlaundry and clean your room.
Nor was everything Then yourroom is then that afternoon
going to get a white gloveinspection.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, yeah, yeah, okay, you know we haven't even
gotten past breakfast, I know,okay, you got to.
Let me read the schedule.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Go right ahead, honey , you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
There's just a lot of context.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
We haven't even gotten to breakfast yet.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
We haven't even gotten on the bus.
Okay, I'm providingtelecommentary breakfast, yet we
haven't even gotten on the bus.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Okay, I'm providing color commentary.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Okay, as I'm trying to do, play by play, to reenact
a day in the life of a Sea Orgmember, that's that's my attempt
here, Okay, good, here we go,745 to eight.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
So at this time again , this is for us.
We lived 15 minutes from theproperty in Hemet, california,
in an apartment building calledKirby Gardens on Kirby Street in
Hemet.
Okay, so we would leave thereat 745 and get on a bus and the
bus would take us to theproperty and then at 8 o'clock
to 8.30 was breakfast.
(14:59):
Now, some years, breakfast wasonly 15 minutes and muster-.
Some years all meals were 15minutes and then muster would be
at eight, 15 or it would itwould it just the they changed
over the years, but pretty muchevery year we started at the
same time and we ended at thesame time, no matter what
happened in the middle.
Yep.
So eight, 30 to 12, that'sproduction.
(15:21):
So if you work making widgetsor you're cleaning toilets or
making movies or supervisingpeople doing courses, your
production time is when you dothat.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yep.
And at the start of each day,you have to prepare a battle
plan, which is that'sScientology's.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
If we're going to do the whole day, we're never going
to get through even this oneslot.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
It's relevant.
So you have everything on yourbattle plan as to what you're
going to do that day to get yourstatistics up.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Yeah, and here's the crazy thing Okay, when you get
in the after breakfast, you gotto make sure you have a BP.
That's a battle plan.
And then you got to make surethat you're marking your graph
every single hour.
So if you make cassettes whereI work or you make a, you're
doing VHS tapes or whatever, yougot to count those every hour.
(16:16):
You've got to mark it on agraph by your at your desk and
and that is referred to as aseven R graph which is from L
Ron Hubbard's executive series7R.
Yes, Anyway, and it's talkingabout the ultimate micromanager.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Oh, my God Dude and that's not even the only graph,
by the way.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
You have a weekly graph as well, and a monthly
graph?
No, yeah, weekly.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
As our kids would say Daily and weekly.
As our kids would say Bruh.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Bru, yeah, weekly, as our kids, daily, and weekly, as
our kids would say brah, brah,okay, um, anyway.
So then is it, are we?
Still live and people evenwatching this.
Okay, hello.
So if you don't have you, whenyou, when you first start for
the day, you got to make sureyou have all that stuff yes okay
, and then you work frombreakfast until lunch.
You have lunch.
Again it's a half hour,Sometimes it was 15 minutes.
It would shift 15 or forwardwhatever.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
And, by the way, let me just interject one thing.
So, the compound is 500 acres,okay, so this is relevant
because if you work on like amile away from the dining hall,
you will not be caught deaddeparting for lunch even a
minute early.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Yeah, lunch is from 12 to 1230.
That includes your travel time.
If your building is 15 minutesand people would do this all the
time.
If your building is 15 minutesfrom where the mess hall is,
then you're going to eat up 15minutes of that half hour just
(17:53):
getting there, yep.
And if the meal breaks 15minutes, this is a problem, yes,
so what?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
people would do just a cool nightmare.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
People would do.
People did this all over theproperty.
Just a cool nightmare.
What people would do?
People did this all over theproperty.
They'd be like, hey, I got togo bring this over to the
services division which is inthe back of the galley.
You'd have to bring somethingto some building near the mess
hall right before a meal, and ifyou could swing that, you'd be
like, hey, I'm going to run thisover to Billy Bob over in Cine,
(18:24):
and Cine was right next to themess hall, and then the
cinematography division where Iworked for many years, and then
you could, you could bring thatover to them and and then you
could just be like, hey, here'sa piece of paper.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I wanted to bring you how convenient.
Look at that it's 1159 and 59seconds.
What ta-da.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
How convenient.
Look at that.
I'm going to head on over 11.59in 59 seconds.
What amazing timing I have.
Okay, so you go eat lunch, thenthere's another muster.
Then from lunch to five youwork, okay.
And also, when you're in theSea Org and you're working, if
you ain't getting to doingsomething, you're going to get
smoked out pretty quick.
(19:05):
So, like if you're one of thesepeople who likes to kind of
mill about and do busy work,yeah, that's not a thing in the
Sea Org there's no such thing asbusy work.
You're either working orcleaning, that's it.
And if you ain't got work to door studying, you got cleaning
to do.
Yeah, okay.
So then from 5 to 5.
Yeah, okay.
So then from five to five 30 isdinner.
From then this and this is likeI said, that different Sea Org
(19:32):
bases they study in the morning,or they study in the afternoon,
or they study in the the.
They study all day, two days ofthe week, or they have it all
different.
But at this property, from five30 to, there's a muster again
at 5.30.
And then from 5.30 to 6.30, youjust go back to work or you do
your meetings, your end of theday meetings, or whatever, and
then you go and you havecleaning stations.
Every day Sea Org members haveto clean where they work.
(19:56):
There's no cleaners In most SeaOrg places.
There's no cleaners that areassigned to the property, unless
it's like a premier property orsomething that has to be
cleaned.
It's too much space for justthe people that work there to
clean, like at the Golden AirProductions we had a studio and
we had a studio cleaner and shehad an assistant.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
Yeah, just because the studio had giant spaces.
Yeah, and same for the dininghall.
There were one or two peoplewho would clean that whole space
yeah, and don't think they callthem cleaners in the sea org.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
They were.
They were doing crazy stuff wayback, okay for a long time,
especially golden eraproductions, at least in the 90s
yep it was a sanitationengineer.
Okay.
If you're taking out garbage,you're an engineer.
Yep, okay, yep.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
You're like, and then there's a deputy You're doing
stuff with plastic, you knowcomposites recycling.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
There's some science in this thing, yes, and some
engineering.
Okay, Then from 7 to 1030,again different places had
different schedules.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
People go crazy when I would say we did this, oh, no,
7 to 9.30.
That's it, because it was twoand a half hours oh sorry.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So 7, yeah, and it usually was a little.
They try to get you a littleout of there before 10.
Yeah.
Because people are just goingto start falling asleep anyway.
Yes.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, because people are just going to start falling
asleep anyway.
Yes, okay.
So yeah, it's 7 to 9.30.
It's a policy that any actuallyany Scientologist, but also
obviously Sea Org members aresupposed to get 12 and a half
hours of study per week, whichis five slots of two and a half
hours a day.
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, then you would have
exercise time and then travel tobirthing, or you know,
depending on what was going on,that there could be.
That schedule could be youwould leave at 1045 and get home
at 11, or maybe you'd leave at1145 and get home at 12, or
there was a 145 bus, a 245 bus,yeah, and, and just to reiterate
(22:06):
, this is a very conservativeestimation because, it's fair to
say, exercise was the firstthing to go.
So, like in my case, I didexercise time the first year we
were there, um, so maybe youknow, know that first year, but
after that I didn't do exerciseyeah, exercise time was one of
(22:29):
those uh love hate, becausepeople would be like, oh, we get
exercise time, and then if youwent to exercise time and then
david miscavige showed up inyour area and he's like, hey,
where's mark?
And then somebody says he mightbe at exercise, sir.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
And he'd be like that's giddy motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Is it exercise?
What's up with that?
He don't need no exercise.
Or he would do the exactopposite.
He would show up to exercisetime and he'd be like where is
everybody?
Aren't you guys supposed to getyour pay docked if you don't go
to exercise?
And then people are starting tothen get their pay docked
because they didn't go toexercise.
(23:09):
And then he goes to your areaand like where was Billy?
He's like, oh, he's at exercise, like goddamn worker, oriented
Right.
And you're just like oh.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
And Kenny Siebold was the exercise.
What was his title?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
He was the well.
He was the sports fields incharge.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that was his actual post, but he was
responsible for exercise time.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
But he was actually a .
He was in grounds.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
He was in the grounds department.
Yeah.
And he mowed the lawns that wereon the exercise fields and he
just happened to also be theexercise instructor, and also
because Dave's exercise buildingwas down where exercise time
was supposed to be held, and hehad his own gym and bikes and
treadmills and all this fancydancy equipment, anyway, okay.
(23:52):
Okay, now you go home for thenight and then you're basically
you're supposed to sleep atleast seven hours.
That's kind of like theunspoken rule to be able to be
sessionable or studentable, youhave to sleep at least seven
hours.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
Yeah, which means you get home, you get ready for bed
you go to sleep and you wake upin the morning.
Like the amount of times thatwe actually had capacity.
I mean, I don't know about you,I couldn't fall asleep.
I would read a book because Iwas off purpose.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
I don't know, but that was the basic schedule for
the basic day, which is, let'ssay, and we're underestimating
it Dramatically let's say, itwas called where, and we're
underestimating it Dramatically.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Like there there are.
You'll see when we get to thenext slide why we're, why we're
prefacing this.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Well, yeah, because you.
There was the amount of timesyou went home on the three 40,
the two 45 bus instead of theright or when you were doing.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know you are under a justice action.
So you had to be making amendsand burning the midnight oil, as
they would say.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Yeah, burning the midnight oil.
We burned all the oil, midnightoil.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
We have none left.
We are dead out of midnight oil.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay, so that's like a Monday through Saturday
schedule.
Yes, on Saturday we didrenovations, but we took up the
whole day.
That's what I'm trying to say,even if we did something
different.
We did renovations but we didit.
We took up the whole day.
That's what I'm trying to say,even if we did something
different.
We weren't doing it less.
Sunday you got to do what'scalled clean ship program, which
(25:29):
is, you got to wash yourlaundry and clean your room, and
that went from 9 to 11.45.
Yep.
And that is basically in termsof free time.
That's your free time for theweek.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
It's an it's a stretch to call it free time.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I understand, but it was time, it was time.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Officers would come around to and that's true, to
make sure you hadn't overslept.
And yeah actually cleaning yourrooms.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
That's right, of course.
I was going to say there was atime where you just you just
sleep in to 1145,.
Get up and go and just be likeyeah, I did my laundry on
Thursday night middle of thenight, I'm good to go.
Yeah, okay so.
But then they started doingmusters at where you lived.
Yes, that's right, so everybodywould have to go out and round.
(26:16):
They'd round everybody up.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
That was a rough looking muster man.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
That's, oh my God, people would come in their
underwear.
Yeah.
Basically, just like who cares?
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Like they just came out of bed.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And a t-shirt, no shoes, no socks.
Okay, yep, that's clean setprogram, then you.
Then, right after that, itbasically flips over to the
exact same schedule.
So we are saying, though, thatthat 9 to 11.45, that's your
time.
We're not going to include thatin the hours we're giving you
(26:50):
those hours.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yes, even though it's not free time.
Again, we've done a veryconservative estimate for the
sake of you know, painting avery clear picture of the best
case scenario.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
Which it rarely was.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Yeah, now, I'm not a mathematician, so there could be
some errors in this math.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
For the most part, ballpark.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yeah, we're ballparking it and we're erring
on the side of low.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
Because we know it's more than this.
We know, we lived it.
Yep.
Okay, so you're working 109hours a week.
That's the least amount of aweek.
There's no week in any Sea Orgthat's going to be a vast number
lower than that.
Right, they're all at leastworking about this.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Just depending on how much more they work could vary
from base to base, and by theway, as a comment, this also is
great context to mention thatelder Sea Org members are
sometimes put on a shortenedschedule.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
Which is around 80 hours.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
So, for example, yes, exactly, there was a um, a
staff member we were working tohelp escape from Los Angeles.
Not that long ago.
He had been diagnosed withstage three cancer and he was
put on a reduced schedule of 40hours a week.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, that's where these numbers.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Yeah, guys, seriously , yeah, it's bad, it's hardcore,
yeah, okay.
So 109 hours a week, that's5,668 hours a year, okay, 5,668.
Now, in work weeks, that's2,218 work weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Right.
So if you factor in, mostpeople in the real world have a
job and they work 40 hours aweek and maybe they get you know
, between Christmas and July 4thand vacation, maybe they get
two three weeks off.
So again, they got two threeweeks off.
Yeah, so again, we haven'tfactored that in, we're just
saying 52 weeks in a year of a40-hour work week.
(29:04):
That's what it translates to is.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
It's 42 years.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, 42 years.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
In the regular world at a 40-hour a week job, and I
know some people don't work a40-hour week.
Some people work a 50 or a 60or an 80.
I understand that, but if youwere just doing a nine to five
job, that's 42 years of that.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
So which you did in 14, 15 years I squeezed 42 years
into 15 years.
It helps for context tounderstand why we have stories
for years.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Oh yeah, and so how many hours is that?
That's 88,726 hours, Right?
So when you say well, how longdid you do that for?
Well, I only did it for threeyears.
Yeah.
But I was clocking in 5,600hours a year, under three years.
So even though I did that forthree years, I did it for 15,000
(30:05):
or plus hours, right, justright, because that's how long I
was working on it, right?
So some of the things that Iworked on at least 10,000 hours
on is audiovisual manufacturingof cassettes, vhs, laser discs,
cd and DVDs, audiovisual qualitycontrol, av systems
manufacturing, first assistantdirector, video production,
(30:28):
video and film pre-production,film production, video
production, av systems, designand integration.
Those were all the things thatI worked on during that time.
Design and integration, thosewere all the things that I
worked on during that time.
Now I worked on a ton of otherthings too.
We did construction.
I did electrical plumbing,drywall, stone, veneer, concrete
.
I did so many things, but Ididn't do them 10,000 hours I
(30:50):
only did those about four or5,000 hours, so I didn't even
them.
10,000 hours, right?
I only did those about you knowfour or 5,000 hours, so I
didn't even include those on thelist, right?
Those are just hobbies.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Because what is it?
They say it takes 10,000 hoursto become an expert.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
At something or something like that.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Okay.
So that's me.
That's a lot.
Now that I'm looking at it likethis, that's a lot, okay.
The only thing you can't getback you can make as much money
that you want to get, you can'tget the time back.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Here's Claire, all right.
So Golden Era Productions, Iwas in the staff training
department from 1991 until 1996.
And I had the same schedule.
However, as we've mentioned,because I was in the staff
training department and myposition was supervisor, which
(31:44):
is closest real world equivalentis teacher.
But Hubbard policy dictatedthat you had to have one
supervisor teacher to 20students and that ratio had to
be in place no matter what, orheads would roll.
So there were many times when Ijust had to work through meals
(32:07):
because I either had nobody toreplace me and there were
students still studying orwhatever.
So there you go.
But yeah, during these yearswas the closest amount of time
where I would somewhat sometimesbe on a similar schedule to you
.
Yeah, even though we worked onopposite sides of the property
(32:29):
and therefore we rarely saw eachother.
So, yeah, yeah, but againbasically the same schedule
16.25 hours a day.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Same things Mustards, production, study time, all the
same stuff.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Exactly Okay, then, from 1996, march 1996 until
January 24th, or actually no 96until it was September, october
2004.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Yeah, this says to 2004, because you got kicked out
of RTT and I got put in thehole yeah, but your schedule was
pretty much exactly the same.
That didn't change.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yep, so again.
So the management organizationsand religious technology center
were on a one-hour laterschedule.
That way the dining hall.
So the dining hall had twoshifts for breakfast, two shifts
for lunch, two shifts fordinner and so forth.
So basically, and I would, myallocated study time was in the
(33:28):
morning, from 930 to 12.
And then again the rest of itis basically the same.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Yeah, yeah, ok.
So there's those hours.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
Yep, so again, 109 hours per week.
Very, very conservatively,79,352 hours, which for me was
the equivalent of 38.15 years Ifyou're measuring those hours
worked against a 40-hour workweek in the real world.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Yeah, that's so crazy .
Speaker 2 (34:02):
And yeah, areas I worked staff training, staff
auditing or counseling.
For one year I was training tobe an RTC representative in
Clearwater, florida, then staffcorrection, where I was involved
with overseeing and correctingmanagement executives, and then,
(34:22):
from 2000 to 2004, rtc internal, which was staffing, human
resources, finances, training,et cetera.
And I put I added goldmanufacturing, all hands on
there, because do you rememberthat I, while I was in Religious
Technology Center, I was thefastest CD stuffer on the entire
(34:45):
property?
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Which was kind of funny because I was a
manufacturing guru and she was amanufacturing guru and we also.
There was a time period atGolden Era Productions where
this giant castle called theCine Castle, the cinematography
division's studio, was housed bya castle, yes, and they cleared
(35:11):
out all of the sets in thestudio, every single last piece
of set or equipment or film crewlighting, anything, and they
turned it into the manufacturingdivision of golden era
production.
So we had shrink wrappers inthere, we had forklifts, we had
all of the equipment that youwould find in a, in a
manufacturing facility, insideof a film studio, and the entire
(35:36):
property.
It didn't matter where youworked.
You had a job in manufacturing.
You were either a shrink wrapper, or you stuffed CDs into these
special binders, or youeverybody did.
And even though I was the headof the manufacturing division, I
was a much better shrinkwrapper than any other shrink
(35:57):
wrapper manufacturing division.
I was a much better shrinkwrapper than any other shrink
wrapper.
So during an all hands whereeverybody on the property came
to do stuff, I would run theshrink wrap machines because
that was the fastest.
I was the fastest and I couldalso fix them if they broke, and
they always broke.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
So um as is likely to happen when you operate
something close to 24 hours aday.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
So Claire did 79,000.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Yeah, oh, and then I included attending meetings with
David.
Miscavige, because you know,gosh, I should figure out one
day what the actual figure ofhours of meetings attended, but
it was depressing how much itwas so here's a great question.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
I'm going to do it right now, just because it's
code monkey oh, code monkeyquestion.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
not to get personal, but why do people in the Sea Org
get married?
If you never see your partner,how can you have any sort of
relationship?
Yeah, that is a really goodquestion.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
And I will give you the very down and dirty answer
yeah, One in the Sea Org.
You can't be messing around ifyou're not married.
So that's one good reason.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
And the threat of going to the rehabilitation
project, for should your handslip and touch you know an
intimate location, then thenthat's not going to be good.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Yeah, the other reason, it's a very tragic
outcome.
Is.
I don't know how it is at otherSea Org bases In Los Angeles
you could be in a dorm with 20other dudes At the base.
It was usually only about fouror five other people in one
birthing.
Sometimes it got a little crazy, but usually for the most part
it was four or five people inyour dorm that you would have to
(37:33):
share a bathroom and then maybesome sleeping things with or
whatever.
Share a bathroom and then maybesome sleeping things with or
whatever, but if you weremarried, just one person.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
See how that works you just gave me a flashback of
the time when marion pow wasmaking trying to force me to
divorce you yeah um, and I sentyou that letter with the rings
and which, by the way, we havethat letter.
It's's so embarrassing,mortally embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm going to read it to everybody one day.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Yeah, we'll do it.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
She's like send me her rings.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Part two, and I didn't say I wasn't asking for a
divorce.
It was how I got Marion off myback, but I will never forget
that you were like what the heckLaughable.
Why are you giving me?
What is with this letter?
Could, with this letter, couldwe not have had a conversation
first and then you were like youcannot do this to me.
Literally, all I'm going to beseeing is hairy butts for the
(38:22):
rest of my life.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I was like I ain't moving out.
You can divorce me, but I'mwe're staying in the same bed,
still in the same room.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Okay, that's a that's a sad but true folks.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
Okay, a lot, a lot Is that.
It Is that the end, thank youyeah, there we go okay, before I
forget, it's my friend chris'sbirthday.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
I told him I was gonna do this yeah, happy
birthday chris, um okay chris isour very dear mutual friend.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
He's actually the friend I've had since I was five
years old and he also used towork at the base in that all in
the cinematography division withme.
Yeah, he and I were in thecadet for all you spies out
there trying to keep track ofthis.
Should we do the giveaway?
I have something really cool Iwant to talk about after the
giveaway.
Also, by the way, oh yeah, yeah, remember we got other stuff we
(39:08):
got to do.
Yeah.
We get 20 minutes Go ahead.
Davey dolls.
That's our new thing, daveydolls.
We're coming up on christmas.
We're coming up on christmas,we got to get rid of these davy
dolls?
Speaker 2 (39:21):
I have so many of these.
Should we do a dave on theshelf competition?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
we should, actually we should.
If you have one of these,that's a good idea yeah what
should we give away if they werethe mike and leah signed
bobblehead?
Yeah, the one that has thesigned headshots.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
With both of them signing it, and then one of each
bobblehead.
Yeah.
If you take a picture, that'sreally good.
Let's try not to do AI.
I kind of feel bad.
I think maybe we should do oneAI and one real world.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Okay, so two categories, you're saying.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, because you can't really compare them
together.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, but if somebody Photoshop's or does something
funny and it's really reallygood, then we should recognize
it.
Yeah, because some people arenot going to take.
They're not going to take thisand go to the.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
We should include the elements of creativity, not
only the picture but the title,like dave in a cave, you know
well, yeah dave on a wave.
Dave dave trying his hand at astave.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
Whatever, dave in a cave anyway, okay, holy moly,
okay, but from now on, all thegiveaways we're going to do on
the channel until we don't haveany more of these little guys,
if you win, you win this.
Yeah, because we got to get ridof these.
We got a lot of these.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I'm gonna say there's a lot of davy elves in the
world, but there's also a lotthere's, you know, probably
about a third left, so we wouldlike to.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
We got to get rid of them.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
Yeah, these are great for dog treats and contrary to
what scientology says outsidesaint hill in the united kingdom
, they do not cause alarm anddistress.
Speaker 1 (40:58):
That's true, they literally and you know there's a
weird thing happening onYouTube.
I can never add these anymoreto the store for some reason.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Yeah, I noticed that too.
It's because they'reself-fulfilled.
I don't know why I have tocontact fourth wall and see if I
can do that.
Cause I noticed the same.
Speaker 1 (41:16):
Like we can't add the foundation cards no, that
doesn't make sense, because thebooks, I can add my books and my
books oh, okay take anotherstab at it.
Um, you can um pour catnip allover these things makes for some
amazing video put it in a ball,in a ball jar.
(41:37):
Yep and seal with catnip andyour cat will love this toy for
the rest of time.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
We have three cats.
We do we have three cats andtwo dogs.
It's like a circus up in this.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, there's the same amount of animals as there
are humans, which personally Ithink is a nice balance.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
Anyway, they love these things, dogs and cats
alike.
They love them.
They rip these things and theythey're pretty strong.
They do have a little Velcrothing on here so you can hang it
from stuff.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But you know other than that.
Speaker 1 (42:09):
Anyway, get in there and get some of them.
They're on the SP shop.
I'll put a link in thedescription, but they're on the
spshopcom and every one of thesethat we sell.
The proceeds go to theAftermath Foundation to support
the Aftermath Foundation and buyyourself a Captain Space Navy,
davey, fakie, wavy, whateverthey call them on the SP shop.
(42:29):
Get yourself one of these.
We're going to do a drawing.
It says zero entries.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
It may need to be refreshed or maybe we said it
wrong, so you have to do ahashtag and we didn't tell folks
.
Speaker 1 (42:41):
No no.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Hmm, okay, here Time.
Today we will be doing part twoof an interview with John
Christensen, so this stream willredirect to that, but if you
haven't subscribed to theYouTube channel over there, we
would greatly appreciate yoursupport.
It's a very, very easy way tosupport the work that we do at
the Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Here we go.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
Okay, so I did figure it out, I think somewhat, but
it's only got 27 drawings, so Iknow that it's got more than
that.
So if you want to, I'm going to.
We'll do it at the end.
We'll do it at the very end.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Yeah, perfect.
So if you want to enter in towin, any comment is
automatically entered, or shouldbe.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
It probably wasn't hooked up or something at the
start Okay, yeah, so all good.
This is the next thing I want totalk about, and I did link to
this in the description.
There is a website that isgoing to now be the repository
for it looks like Scientologydocuments.
Somebody sent me this link.
They don't want to.
They don't want anybody to knowwho they are, so they just
(44:08):
anonymously sent me this, andthis is the Scientology database
, and it has OSA network orders.
It literally has the entiretyof the policies that the Office
of Special Affairs operates offof, and you can read them on the
site Also.
(44:30):
They do have this version.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
Oh, I like that one.
I didn't see that.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
If you go to the top and say light, it'll turn it
back to this version, nice.
So if you like the matrix, look.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Currently, the two databases that are populated on
this is the OSA network ordersand a glossary.
Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, so the documents have a lot of verbiage
in them, and so, in order tounderstand these documents,
there is a dictionary of all ofthe terminology that they use in
the C-ORG and in OSA, which isvery important.
The website is calledscnfilescom.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
Yep Sierra Charlie North SCN Files.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Yeah, listen to Miss Aviation over here, okay, so go
check it out if you want to lookthrough these things.
There's no question.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
Here.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
I'll show you.
Look, actually I have these.
There we go.
So these are the office ofspecial affairs, osa network
orders and it it has.
The entirety of them are inhere.
So I don't know whose site thisis and I don't know how long
this is going to be up, but ifyou want to look at any of this
stuff, you can download it.
(45:43):
And I went there and there wasthis pdf and I downloaded and it
literally it has the purpose,it has the reputation of
scientology and l ron hubbard, Imean it's we're talking this
slide, uh, this document, thispdf of this thing, it's a lot,
it's all of the pages.
(46:03):
Yeah, so yep if you guys want to, uh, go check that out.
It's pretty wild.
And the other thing is thatthere are people leaving
Scientology and there's notreally a place to put these
things, so this might actuallycome in handy.
I don't know if there's a wayyou can send them files.
(46:23):
Anyway, I don't know how they'dverify that.
I don't know how that wouldwork, but either way, there's
2,847 documents on the websiteright now.
Let's see.
We maybe will check back in onthis site in a few months and
see how much stuff they've added.
Speaker 2 (46:43):
But it's an awesome repository, like you said,
because even though there's somuch information out there, you
kind of have to go to multipledifferent locations and it can
be very, very difficult to know.
There's so many awesomeversions of books and everything
else.
(47:04):
So between the glossary and thedocuments.
Oh, let's see.
Codemonkey Osa is going to havea fun time trying to figure out
who is running this site.
Yes, completely.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
That would be a fun thing.
Oh, I just saw it looks like wegot a.
How do you put that up?
How do I put up this?
Speaker 2 (47:21):
Crystal, is it like that at every org?
At some point the tasks mustbecome repetitive and redundant.
Is there some poor soul outthere vacuuming the same carpet
12 times every day?
Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (47:34):
Yeah, there is, this is the one.
Speaker 2 (47:38):
But also on the cleaning stations.
You have to get inspectionswith the white gloves so they'll
come along and be like you yougot dirt well, they're not.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
The shelves down right by where you're at are the
problem, it's when they're onthe top of doorways right above
light and conveniently.
Speaker 2 (47:55):
Many of the ethics officers doing those inspections
were incredibly tall.
Speaker 1 (47:59):
Yes, that's true right it's totally true.
I'm putting this little littledavey guy there um dr x.
Uh, thank you very much for thesuper chat.
She says hi all.
How would you guys communicatewhen you were separated in
different locations?
You had the phones, but if youdidn't, how would you talk to
your spouse?
Did you have to get permissionto call or write?
We will fund the winners.
(48:21):
Oh well, that's very nice.
You don't have to do that, butyeah, we would.
There were times where I mightnot talk to Claire for like a
month or two.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Or longer, Like when I was in Clearwater and by which
time I was in ReligiousTechnology Center because I was
classified as being on mission,which means just I was on a
special project versus my normalassigned position.
Yeah.
I would have to have acompleted staff work approved by
(48:52):
four or five people to be ableto call you.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Yeah, I didn't have to have anything like that
because I was in Golden ArrowProductions and because you were
a rebel.
Speaker 2 (49:04):
Yeah, you were supposed to.
Speaker 1 (49:06):
Maybe you did when you were in denmark I didn't
need approval to call anybody, Ijust would call I had to have
approval to call you well, yeah,but I was in denmark.
Who's going to tell me what todo in denmark?
I was the boss of my domainanyway, regardless.
Um, we didn't talk that much wedid, did not.
No, um, okay, uh, let's go backand see if we can do this.
(49:29):
I'm going to get rid of that.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
I'm going to get this .
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I'm going to flip back over to here.
And then we got 43.
Okay, we're going to do adrawing.
Here we go Skadoosh.
Hopefully I don't win again.
I won last week um I'm I didn'tcomment this week, so it
wouldn't be me oh, that's reallyhelpful.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
That's so specific, well, youtube user no, we're
gonna redo it oh why.
Speaker 1 (49:57):
Well, if they how are they going to verify they're
the youtube user?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
they can say, well, because that's their handle,
isn't that their handle handle?
I don't know.
I mean okay, so listen we'renot interested in in any
injustices.
So, youtube user if you send mean email, clara at blown.
Speaker 1 (50:16):
I guess yeah, I don't think that's how it works.
Speaker 2 (50:19):
Go ahead and do one more.
We're we're kind of not surehow this works with a generic
handle like that, but you didwin, fair and square.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
You're winning a Davey doll, no matter what
happens.
You're winning a Davey doll,here we go.
And Catherine Olsen, I'mtelling you man.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
We're not having the best of luck.
This DreamYard giveaway tool is.
Your cats will love it,catherine.
I think she has some, yeah,okay, well, if she doesn't, then
I'll send her to one.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We gotta do it again.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
We gotta do it again never a dull moment over here,
and yeah and z news cave thereyou go, chandra.
Okay, congratulations you justwon yourself a baby doll, the
person who's in colorado too, ifI remember correctly?
Speaker 1 (51:09):
Oh well, there you go , We'll save on shipping.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
There you go.
Boom Bob's, your uncle.
Speaker 1 (51:14):
Okay, let's see if we can get.
You know, I realized I wasthinking we could go back to our
normal way, which is let's seeif I do it.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Boom, there we go.
Boom, there we go.
Okay, you want to do somequestions?
Yes, let's do this.
Okay, here we go.
All right, manon, when did youhave time to buy essentials?
Great question, so sometimes.
Well, in the early years whenwe were living in Hemet at Kirby
Gardens, if you got yourcleaning done, you could do a
(51:47):
brisk walk to what was it?
Walmart at that time?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
a brisk walk.
That's a half hour walk, I know, on a good day yeah, you or
some you could bike on your bike.
Normal bike walk is too, thatthat's oh, I've walked it before
well, I know, but then you burn, you're burning, uh, 45 minutes
there, 45 minutes back back.
There's no half hour.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I mean, I don't know, my walk counts as a jog, more
like.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:12):
We should go there and do do a reenactment Anyway,
the point being that sometimeswe would be allowed to go into
town or to a Vons um to get likeshampoo and basic supplies, and
that would be if you had savedup enough money from your $46 a
week to buy hygiene supplies.
However, in what was that?
(52:33):
1993, 1994-ish?
That was banned and then theychanged it so that the canteen
would stock the shampoo and thehygiene supplies.
Speaker 1 (52:45):
Oh yeah, you had to buy your own laundry detergent.
Yep, you had to.
You did have to pay for yourlaundry too.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
You had to get quarters and do all the normal.
There were laundry machines atthe in the apartment complex but
you had to have quarters.
I think it was 75 cents to washand 50 cents to dry, or a
dollar to dry or something likethat, or a dollar to wash and 75
cents to dry or something likethat Either way, that's.
That's the answer to thatquestion.
Speaker 1 (53:10):
Yeah, which answers this next question.
Did you have to pay to do yourlaundry.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yes, we did.
Oh, hi, glenda, good to see youhere.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
Yes, we did.
Oh, yeah, we did that one.
Okay, let me just, I'm justgoing to, I'm now, I'm just
putting up stuff, okay, noworries, Brian question.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Does the average Scientologist know about the
brutal work schedule in the SeaOrg?
What are their perceptions oflife in the Sea Org?
Another great question.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
So I think well, there's two answers to that.
Many Scientologists have hadstints in the Sea Org at various
times, like, for example, mymother.
So yes, they know it's a veryhard, grueling schedule.
(53:59):
They may not know all the insand outs, but they see the staff
at the organizations, and soit's not like this wouldn't
surprise them for sure.
Speaker 1 (54:05):
They're not going like oh, I didn't know, you guys
work so hard, right, they?
They know.
Speaker 2 (54:11):
They know, they know, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1 (54:13):
Okay, what's this one saying?
Speaker 2 (54:14):
Okay, maybe some of the spy files could go up.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Yeah, I'll.
I'll see if I can reach out tothis person or people or
whatever and answer back ontheir weird email they sent and
say I mean I'm sure they'll get.
I mean those files are theycould put those up there?
I think they would have to.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
We have absolutely been noticing a significant
uptick in emails from under theradar people, which this is not
from an under the radar personto be clear we don't know it is.
Okay, where does mark buy hisshirts?
Speaker 1 (54:48):
now at hot topic no, this is an untuck.
It okay, I like these shirts.
This I actually got.
This is a.
I just got this yesterday.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
I like it yeah, there you go it's nice and thin it's
colorful it's comfy okay yep,there you go.
Auditingology Casey, when isthe last time that the ESSO got
a raise?
Yeah, so I think that's aquestion Catherine would be able
to answer better than I can,but we heard that they did.
Speaker 1 (55:16):
It went up.
Like in Florida.
It went up.
Traditionally Sea Org membersmake $50 a week.
Yep, that's it $50.
And then they take taxes out ofthat, that's it $50.
And then they take taxes out ofthat, so it's actually $46.28
when they're done with that taxas it used to be.
It could be different now.
It was that for many years.
But then in Florida we heard arumor that it went up to $75 or
(55:36):
$100 for a little while and thenit went back.
We were told no, it went backdown.
So it went up to $100.
Speaker 2 (55:43):
And there's also been periods in there where it was
like by direct deposit so it wasmandatory, but then there's
been a lot of changes so, yeah,we'd have to ask.
We'll ask some of the peoplethat are leaving these days
which was their last amount,most of the time it's been $50.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
And funnily enough, they'll say it's going to go up,
and then it never goes up inthe Sea Org.
So that's been a thing for awhile too.
And then we and traditionallyScientology staff members would
make more, but then we found outthat they make very little.
Sometimes they might not evenmake $20 a week as a Scientology
(56:24):
, like a full-time or apart-time Scientology staff
member in the middle of Keokukor something With that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
it's time for me to teleport.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
Claire's going to leave.
I'm going to close this thingout and we're going to.
I'll answer a few morequestions here.
Let me see if I put it thereyou go.
Now you can exit clean.
Hopefully this sounds good andlooks good this week.
Guys, we had to redo a bunch ofstuff in here.
I'm going to tell you guys nowthat Claire's gone and then we
(56:53):
are going to redirect into theFoundation feed.
So if you just stay watching,you'll end up with Claire and
Phil on the Foundation feednumber six I think it is and
they're going to do part twowith John Christensen, as far as
I know.
I'm pretty sure that's what itis, so that will be exciting.
(57:13):
We had a light switch that wasup in the ceiling and it was
turning on and off during ourstreams and it did turn on.
We now have it just hooked upto a light over in the corner
and it did turn on and off rightbefore the stream but it hasn't
done anything since it is asmart switch that I don't have
(57:34):
set up, so maybe somebody hackedinto this switch and they're
messing with it during it onlydoes this when we're doing the
streams.
I have it plugged in and justsitting there and it's been
sitting there doing nothinguntil right before we went live
and it turned off and on a fewtimes.
Spooky, spooky, spooky.
Okay, I saw another Dr Xquestion said who would
supervise the ethics folks?
(57:56):
Security would mainly be thekeepers of the people that were
in trouble the security guards.
You sort of get assigned to asecurity guard and they're kind
of like the one who you have tocheck in with before you go find
a place to sleep on theproperty and that kind of thing.
So if they're looking for you,they need to know where to find
you.
Okay, guys, I think that'sgoing to do it as normal.
(58:20):
I will put up some comments onthe screen as we're doing the
end, whatever.
It's called the outro.
Thank you Till next time.
Thanks for watching.
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(58:44):
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