Severance's Uncanny Parallels to Scientology - Severance and Scientology #2 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back, Welcome to the channel,
Welcome to another episode of isthis Scientology Q&A?
Scientology Stories ScientologyQ&A.
I'm joined today by my lovelywife Claire.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thanks for having me back.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, thanks for coming back.
Claire was on a trip last weekso we were home alone.
I think I can't remember if Isaid we would wear the merch,
but I mentioned the merch, or Isaid we would wear the merch
next week.
So we're wearing the merch,we're wearing the Bloom for Good
merch.
I got a Claire's, got ClaireBear and then and I got this

(00:51):
Hail Xenu sweatshirt that I wearall the time.
We have Apostate.
Alex is in the is was in a bignewspaper I don't know if it's a
big newspaper, but in the mediain England in a big newspaper I
don't know if it's a bignewspaper, but in the media in
England because Scientology ismessing with him and when we

(01:11):
used to say BTs activate forsome reason, alex got a real big
kick out of that.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
I think a lot of people did honey.
It wasn't unique to Alex.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So we're going to make.
How do I do?
Can I switch it?
Here he is, we're going to.
We've got some new merch in theUber suppressive merch Blame
for good store and it is the.
It's the Xenu, what's thecollection called?
There's a way to do collections.
Well, it's part of the XenuXenu and the Body Thetans

(01:41):
collection.
We've got these BT's Activatemugs.
On one side they have that, andthen on the other side, Shout
out to Clara for her amazingdesigns.
Yes, so I'm trying to.
Now I'm off the page while I'mtrying to look at it.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
There you go, there we go.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
And we're going to do .
If you guys like that, we'll dosome other things.
We'll do some stickers Likethese sticker packs are very
popular with people and we'll dosome caps and some hats and
some mugs.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
As we all know, you never miss a moment to talk
about aliens.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
And Xenu.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Basically Xenu, xenu.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Basically, xenu, xenu .
Anything that leads to Xenu isgood for me.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And then, oh, I've got to hit go live on Instagram.
Sorry people, I've got to justdo this real quick here.
There's so many things I haveto do.

Speaker 2 (02:39):
Yeah, one of these days we'll get back in the
groove.
Honey, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
It's not even doing anything, so you know whatever.
Thank you, instagram.
Anyway, let's find out wherepeople are in from.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Yes, let's do that.
All right, betsy Sue, just callme Betsy.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach,south Carolina.
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Tracy, good morning from parumpnevada.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Oh, that's where art bell used to broadcast from oh
kale, not kale, interesting.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Still alive in washington state.
Well, good job.
Still alive in colorado yeahsasha.
Hi from australia, awesome,thanks for joining us.
Bruce Hines, hello from alittle way up I-25.
Booyah, colorado, colorado.
Howdy Bruce, once a witness,vernon hello from California.

(03:59):
Hello, hi from France.
First, live Nice.
We got some newbies here, folks.
This is exciting.
Hello from Philadelphia, nashayJones.
Hey from Reading, uk, becky,big brother fan Hi, becky.
Hello from Astoria, queens.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Horatious Rita and Garth Taylor, north Carolina,
here Nice.
Um and Garth Taylor, northCarolina, here Nice.
Hi from Brazil, juliana, asuppressive from Connecticut.
Yes, that's kind of people.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, and then somebody did say that art bell,
uh, art bells.
Home is a few miles from me.
Kingdom of nine, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Wow Um the?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
um, this show that art bell used to have coast to
coast AM.
Um, this show that art bellused to have coast to coast am.
I've been on that show two ortwo or three times, at least two
, yeah, positive of.
I think I was on kfi, the samebroad, the same radio station
that broadcast that I was onanother show on there, right,
john and ken yeah, john and kenin the morning or something.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
One day we should do a revisit of that, because
because that that first timethat you did when Jason Bennett
called in and all that, oh mygosh, that would be an awesome
show to revisit.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
That would be.
Yeah, that's a good idea.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
It is.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
Today's episode is about Severance.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
We're going to talk about Severance.
We were.
We did an episode a few weeksago and we asked you guys if you
wanted us to do a part two andthe overwhelming response was
yes, that we should do a parttwo, but if you missed that one?
Basically, we compared a wholebunch of things in severance and

(05:41):
what the equivalent thing ofthat is in Scientology.
Now I don't know if this istrue or not, but I saw some
articles or some media thingsthat Patricia Arquette and at
least one of the other actorsstudied Scientology to play
these parts.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Yeah, and Patricia Arquette is also an executive
producer of the show too.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Yeah, so that to me is kind of wild.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah, no, I saw the same thing and yeah, I mean sure
you could say, well, perhapsit's satire of cults in general,
but certainly there are many,many, many similarities and you
just can't ignore some of theparallels.
It's just crazy.
So, yes, oh, becky had to backClaire up and vote strongly for

(06:31):
part two of severance.
Yes, yes, and I vote for partthree of severance.
Actually, we have some peoplethat would like to come on and
talk with us about it, sototally putting that in the
queue too.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Yeah, and let's not forget that this, there's not
severance.
Um doesn't only havescientologists that are showing
up saying, oh, this is just likemy cult.
Yes, there's so many peoplethat are like, oh, there's a
ex-mormon saying show and justuh.
So happens that a ton of them,like a giant majority of them,

(07:12):
are, uh, are scientology sort ofrelated yeah, though I will say
it occurred to me um at from myany perspective when I was in
any any.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
I would have gone.
I would have gone.
Oh, that's so bad.
That's an awful cult.
Thank God I'm not in a cult.
I did a whole study on that tooby the way.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I read that book several times and for the
longest time I dug in my heels.
I'm like I will not watch theshow.
This is an abomination.
And then, one day, I was likefine, I'll watch the show, but
I'm taking notes of how it isnonsense.
It is nonsense that she's in ashow about an abusive cult.
You know relationshipseverything 100%.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
It's just like wow.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Tell us in the comments where you're watching
from today.
And waffle party is the secretword.
And we did talk about that lastweek because because, um, I was
talking about when we had towrite letters.
It was in the schedule that wewent over.
We had a gold schedule and itsaid letter writing yep and um,
and I was talking about whoeverwrote, whichever division wrote,

(08:37):
uh, wrote the most letters,they would get donuts and how
the estates guys would just likedescend on these and we would
literally legitimately everysingle week maybe not every
single week when everybody wasin there, if everybody was in
the shits we didn't get donutsokay, there was no uh, there was
a lot of break room.
There wasn't a lot yeah, nothere wasn't a lot of uh but we

(08:59):
don't talk about break room itwasn't a lot of waffle parties,
it wasn't a lot of, uh, donutparties.
It wasn't a lot of donutparties.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
But yeah, but you know what?
So, on the topic of Ogo letters, I have to ask you this because
I never did.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
So I probably wrote I don't know a thousand or more
Ogo letters in the what fiveyears that I was in Golden Era
Productions.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I think I got an answer, maybe once.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I literally brought that up.
I said that I'd writtenthousands over the years because
I was in gold.
Claire, how many years?
You were in gold?
For five years.
I was in gold for 15 years andshe was in for five.
So I wrote three times as manyletters, and I did say that I
might have gotten like three orfour, maybe a handful of

(09:44):
responses in that entire time.

Speaker 2 (09:46):
Yeah, yeah, completely.
Anyway so much for you knowproper communication flows, so
much for keeping up with yourinbox and responding to letters.
I mean gosh.

Speaker 1 (10:01):
Okay, so we got to get to it.
What's what do you got?
Okay, what?
What are the?
Um?
We got a lot of people gettingin the waffle party here, okay,
um, so we, we mentioned thewaffle party, so that's a one we
didn't.
We didn't talk about that.
I don't think in that firstthing.
So waffle party in Scientologythey have donut parties and

(10:21):
pizza parties.
Those are the like, the two, Iwould say routine, like at least
once a month, or at least maybeonce or twice a month,
depending on if, if things aregoing, you know, relatively okay
, like if the whole entireproperty is not assigned a lower
condition.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Yeah, which in later years was just full time.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, but in the early years in that the five
years that you were there wereprobably the best five years.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, yeah, I mean they, they started good.
And then, you know, as, as wealways commented on things, oh
it in our mind, we're like oh,it could never get worse, and it
got worse every single time,but that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
It was always getting worse.
So the five years you had werethe five good ones.
Everything after that years youhad were the five good ones.
Everything after that.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
You were in the best of places to be in comparison to
Goldner, because we were alwaysdebatable, but we were always
the shitties.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Yeah, okay, what's another one.
What's another good one?

Speaker 2 (11:17):
So I decided that let's just take a step back for
a moment and let's talk aboutseverance versus disconnection.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Because there are so many parallels, like, for
example, all the tests andeverything that they're doing on
Gemma Mark Scout's wife.
The goal is to have her have nomemory of him whatsoever.
The goal is to have her have nomemory of him whatsoever.

(12:06):
So, like to me, disconnectionis with my father, because he
left Scientology when I wasthree and my mom made me
disconnect from him and sheliterally removed every photo of
him ever Like.
It was like poof, I didn't havea dad.
That's kind of what it was.
Anyway, that's, let's talkabout that.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Well, we just did.
I mean, it felt like I was theone talking.
Well, I'm just saying that yeah, sure Go, yeah, it's it checks
out.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Right, right Because, but but the the parallels of
you know like it's like as ifyour family doesn't even exist.
You don't talk to them, youdon't even ever have a real
conversation.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
But?
But I think Scientology'sversion of that is is not.
It's not.
You were disconnected from yourfamily when you were in the C
organization.
You were essentiallydisconnected from your family
when you were in the Corganization, even though they
were in Scientology, right, theycouldn't know what you were
doing.
Disconnected from your familywhen you were in the sea
organization, even though theywere in Scientology, they
couldn't know what you weredoing.
They couldn't know where youwere.
They couldn't know what yourjob was like, what you did, even

(13:15):
as opposed to what you did like, who you were involved with.
Or did you work with DavidMiscavige?
They couldn't know any of that.
So you're saying that theseverance is like disconnection.
I'm saying it's just like theSea Org.
What's the name of that company?
The company Lumen.
Yeah, lumen is the Sea Org,right.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yes, exactly.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Lumen is the Sea Org, and in the Sea Org you're only
your innie.
Yes, you don't have an Audi.
You may have an Audi once ortwice a year.
That's right If, if you'relucky.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
Yeah, but even then, like perfect example, when I,
when I broke my leg in 99, I wasnot even allowed to tell my mom
that.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
So I'm saying they didn't know anything about your
life.
They couldn't tell themanything.
So it was as if you didn't know, because when you went into the
outside world you had to be awhole nother person.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
The similarities, it couldn't be anymore exactly the
same.
You only were in Annie and youwere in Annie and then when you
went to the outside world youcouldn't say anything.
And maybe that's also veryparticular to the it base
Because if you worked in LA inthe Sea Org, everybody knew what
you did because they could seeyou, they could see you doing

(14:35):
the job that you had and theyknew what your post was.
And all that InternationalManagement, CMO, Ent, CMO Gold,
Golden Air Productions, RTC,Author Services, CST, all of
these upper Scientologyorganizations.
You're not allowed to sayanything.

(14:56):
If you give away anyoperational information to
somebody who's not cleared tohave that information, you get
assigned a condition of treason.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Right, Like like remember the time that we came
back from New Year's orsomething and your stepdad knew
where the property was and wemissed the van.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
This was like in 92, I think Like it was shortly
after we got married.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
It was the Christmas after we got married.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yeah, right, so Christmas 92, we left for one
morning.
We went the night of Saturdaynight we went down to spend two
hours with your stepdad and yourmom.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
That's right.
And then we stayed the night,yep, and then we missed the run.
In the morning there's a runthat leaves from Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
By run you mean just a van it's a van.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
It's called the run.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
I know.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
The LA run, the Int run, and it's a van and you get
in it and it drives to theproperty and yeah, you know what
?
This is the best one.
I love this Trevonon.
Mark casually throwing out aload of abbreviations and me

(16:22):
realizing.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
realizing I know what they are.
Yeah, that's there you go.
See, I know when he was sayingall those, I was like, oh boy,
here we go, Like, yeah, that'sjust exactly like severance to
the, the use of language toobscure and make outsiders feel
isolated and not like they don'tunderstand.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
That is a uh, an element of a cult.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
In the very beginning of my book I do.
I say like hey, we useeverything as abbreviated in
this organization and I said I'mgoing to give you a sentence
and it's just going to be allabbreviations and it's like it
means like a full paragraph ofinformation, but I'm doing it in
one sentence.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Right, yeah, you made the comparison that, like two
Scientologists could be in aroom having a conversation and
somebody would just haveabsolutely no idea of anything
that was just said.
Nothing, absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
Like not at all Right .
They could literally talk andno one would be able to
understand anything they'resaying.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Okay, what's another one?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh, it's your turn now.
I'll pull back up my notes.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Yeah, pull up your notes, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh, let's talk about Msang for a moment and the
messenger, um um parallel.
So this is season two, whichyou haven't watched.
But it starts out and um markcomes out of the elevator, or
whoever comes out of theelevator, and it's like there's
literally a 12 year old girl ina shirt and a uniform and um,

(17:52):
her name is ms wong and she islike, uh, milkshakes or whatever
his name is milkshake hisdeputy, like she's working under
him and apprenticing under himto be able to um, whatever, to
achieve a level, and then she'llgraduate from this program but
she's a 12 year old child.
Yes, she's a literal child andhe's like mark's, like wait, we

(18:15):
have children here now, likewhat is going on.
Where's miss cobell?

Speaker 1 (18:20):
yes, so in for those of you who do not know, in
Scientology, in the Corganization specifically, I
mentioned this organization in alot of videos.
It's called CMO or theCommodore's Messenger
organization, and originally,when L Ron Hubbard was at C on
the flagship Apollo, startingand running this thing called

(18:45):
the Sea Organization, these werethe people that signed the
billion-year contracts.
That's what we were.
We were the billion-yearcontract people.
Well, the organizationCommodore's Messenger
Organization was comprised ofmostly female, young women from
12.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
No from younger than that.
Women from 12?

Speaker 1 (19:10):
No, from younger than that Hubbard actually said the
ideal age to start someone onmessenger training is six years
old.
Okay, well, there were youngchildren there and this was in
the 60s and in the 70s.
Well, at the gold internationalgold base, when we were there
from 1990 to 2005.
They had the same thing the CMO.
There was kids in the CMO thatwere like 13 at international

(19:34):
management, 13 years old, andthey could be the boss or senior
to the entirety of Golden EraProductions.
Right, so you would have likeat Golden Era Productions, we
like, we had some like hardenedcriminal seer members there,
okay, and these were not like.
These were not.
Uh, no, none of these dudeswere playing patty cake.

(19:54):
These dudes were seasoned,veteran, hardened criminal seer
members.
They could have been at anotherorganization anywhere in that
international managementstructure and they'd gotten in a
huge amount of trouble fordoing dastardly things.
And they would get assigned toGolden Era Productions in the
grounds department or theelectrical department or the

(20:17):
construction department andthere'd be programs being run by
the messengers and the programs.
Operators were these younggirls and they would come down
into Golden Era Productions andscream.
And operators were these younggirls and they would come down
into golden air productions andscream and yell at these men to
do things that they weren'tgetting done and they're
literally just standing therejust getting yelled at by a
little kid.

(20:37):
And that's a tuesday, right,and that was the whole time I
was there.
Yeah, I mean, those girls gotolder as we were there, because
not a lot of new kids werecoming there over the years.
But I want to say, when we leftin 2005, there was at least
some 16-year-olds and17-year-olds kind of still
floating around.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, for sure, and talk about like by contrast.
Look at our kids now we're likeyeah, my oldest son, you know
he's the age now are like yeah,my oldest son.
You know he's the age like ourtwo oldest sons are, the age
when we were already carryingout a billion years.
Yeah, they're older than wewere.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
We were, we were married.
We were yes, exactly, andthey're older than we were when
we got married, and so that'swhy, when they get up to
nonsense I was thinking aboutthis this morning Um, sometimes
they get up to nonsense, they'reteenagers.
This this morning, sometimesthey get up to nonsense, they're
teenagers and I think, well, atleast they didn't join a cult
for 15 years.
That's exactly, couldn't bethat bad.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
They're not in a cult yet.
They're relatively pretty goodoff, you know.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
They're already doing better than me.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
It's a low bar folks, A very low bar.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
They're in high school, one's graduated, that's.
You know, we never even made itto high school, so hell yes,
winning.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, clara says you only need to comment once to be
entered.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yes, excellent point.

Speaker 1 (21:59):
The secret word is waffle party.
If any of you are joining anddo not know why people keep
writing waffle party in thecomments it just makes it fun,
we're gonna do a giveaway at theend of this live and waffle
party.
Gets you in.
Let's see, we can, can we putup, like we?
Well, I'll have to get to sharethat when we get to that,
because I'm I'm gonna get itready though.

(22:20):
Okay, what's the next thing?

Speaker 2 (22:22):
um, oh so, but still to finish up on ms wang.
Ms wang, um, the comment Iwanted to make is it's it
normalizes, it's mind numbing inthat.
You, it's just the way thingsare, like, yeah, there's kids
running around and and nobodycollectively goes wait, what are

(22:44):
we doing?
What's going on?
It's just that's how things areand it's normal, but it's.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, it's because Hubbard did it.
Correct.
That's really.
That's the only reason.
It's normal, that's right.
If Hubbard wouldn't have doneit, then everybody would be like
, hey, this is super creepy.
But because Hubbard did it here, because Hubbard did it,
because Hubbard did it becausethe is it Patricia Arquette?
Her character was.

(23:12):
That was one of those kids.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Right, yes, correct, she was in the cadet org.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Yeah, yeah, she was in the severance cadet org when
she was a little kid.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
It's the craziest thing, Jenny DeVocht.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Annie Tidman, all these guys.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
David muscavige david muscavige was one of those kids
right, completely, yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
but there's a conversation too where um mark
scout says to ms wong, why areyou so young?
And she says because of when Iwas born, you're just like right
Total Sea Org.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
member thing to say.
Right, exactly what's thelogical response why are you so
young?
I was born 12 years ago.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Because of when I was born.
Oh, you don't say that, thatwas not the point of the
question.
But also then they talk aboutthat when she graduates from
this program she's going to moveout of her parents' house to a
new center where she willsteward global reform.
Like again, just like wordsalad.
That means absolutely nothing.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
That that's good, that's a goodone.
And also that the hereobviously the key is it here,
here, here hubbard thing, that'sobviously yeah, come on that
guy, whatever that guy did.
The oh, that was the one Ithought of um patricia arquette
is Diana Hubbard.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Hmm, but she's not a cure though.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
I know, but she was like I mean Egan was but.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Kelly is an Egan.
Okay, yes, kelly is the DianaHubbard.
Yes, right, 100%.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Because she's a redhead, which is kind of crazy,
it is crazy I hadn't thoughtabout that.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
The moment you brought it up.
You brought it up.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
I was like, oh my God , the daughter of the guy.
Yeah, um, she was she, andshe's always on the struggle bus
.
She's always on the strugglebus but she has all this power
and all this privilege, right,although she's a total, uh, low
life in the place, right, likeshe's, nobody likes her.
She's a big problem foreverybody.
Yeah, and she also was gettingup to nonsense.

(25:25):
Like, I mean, are we going tosay, ok, I'm going to say it,
it's been said before.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, it has been said OK.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
When we were in these seance.
What do you call the?

Speaker 2 (25:37):
group seances the group confessions.
Aka literal nonsense.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
I want to say either Diana Hubbard admitted it in the
thing or somebody else accusedher, or Dave I think David
Miscavige kind of aired it outin front of everybody.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Yeah, that's what he did because it had been known
about.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
You know Hubbard would frequently fly on planes
and she as much as possibleaccording to David Miscavige
would try to join the Mile HighClub on those flights and he
would tell everybody this, likecome on, those are the kind of
things I want to know about thatpeople are confessing to.

(26:17):
He's like I don't want to knowabout paperclips I don't want to
know about.
Like people would confess tothe most insane things and then
he would be like oh, I alreadyknew about all that.
Tell me something I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yeah, okay, speaking of paperclips, yeah, so for
context, in the Hubbard writingsabout interrogating someone, he
has this whole thing where it'scalled paperclip overts, where
somebody basically will say oh,you know, I stole a paperclip,
and that's the example he he'sHubbard is giving and the

(26:51):
context of it is to essentiallysay oh, they're just saying
something that has noconsequence, means absolutely
nothing.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
It's a, it's a, it's a token gesture, right as a, as
a confession.
As a confession.
So when they say, what are youroverts and withholds?
And then you try to think ofthe silliest little thing that
you can say so that it countsfor something, and then you
don't have to say, and he callsit a Sherman tank, so that you

(27:19):
don't have to talk about thisSherman tank that you have
sitting there.
You talk about this littlepaper clip, like oh, I've got, I
did this, I stole the paperclip, and they're like we don't
want to know about the paperclips and and the.
And he literally says we wantto know about the Sherman tanks.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Okay, so now let me blow your mind.
Season two Milosec is having aperformance review.
One of one of the items ismisuse of paperclips.
He put them on backwards andit's like a point of correction.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
No, yes, and so he would say I misplaced the
paperclips.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Right.
Well like he put it onbackwards.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
But that's what he did.
He's saying, that's whatthey're correct, even though
that's what they're telling him.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
You, you are misusing paperclips.
And another one was you'reusing big words.
So he has this tendency to usehis vocabulary.
And then there's this wholeconflict moment where the big
bad enforcer guy is likesimplify your words.

(28:24):
Because Milchak said Iapologize, and he said you're
using big words, simplify yourwords.
And he said I'm sorry, and hesaid simplify them even more.
And then Milchak kind of breaksand he's like devour speculants
, which means eat shit.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
It's like this moment of rebelling against, uh, the
rules anyway I'll, whenever Ichance to talk about dave,
captain davey, fake navy davey.
Matt denny says dave'sobsession with anything smutty
is repugnant, disgusting and nota little creepy, complete
pervert.
Yeah, he, 100, 100% would.
If there was anything sexualabout anybody, he would latch

(29:13):
onto it and tell as many peopleas possible in these meetings.
Yeah, completely vile.
Became a sort of managementstyle for the other executives,
like where if something happenedor if something came up in a
person's confession where theycan confess to anything like
that, it would get brought up infront of the whole entire crew,

(29:36):
like at a muster.
They would literally announcehey, the reason why the tapes
aren't getting done is becausethis gal was sleeping with this
guy and they're both married andyou're like what?
And then that would be thewhole.
The fallout of that would lastfor a few months.
But yeah, david Miscavige lovedthat.

(29:56):
Okay, what's another thing?

Speaker 2 (29:59):
Okay, so the other thing I wanted to talk about
which we kind of talked a littlebit about this in the last one,
about the leaving staff routingform, because they have these
resignation requests- yeah and.
But it's really exacerbated inseason two, like where dylan
puts in a resignation requestand you think it's been accepted

(30:22):
yeah and he goes and gets inthe elevator oh, I love this,
this, this, this is the best.
And then it, freaking, goes downInstead of going up.
Instead of up Like he's goingfurther in and that is so like.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
That's where, if you go to any Sea Org base, the RPF
is in the basement.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Completely and there's no way out.
It's literally like In thetunnels In the tunnels under LA.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
It's literally like and and in the tunnels.
In the tunnels under LA, that'swhere the RPFers would get to
different buildings, and in thein Los Angeles they have these
built, this group of bluebuildings called the complex,
and at the complex it used to bea hospital and the morgue was
in the basement and they would.
And if somebody died in any oneof the buildings they could

(31:10):
take them to the morgue via theunderground tunnels so they
wouldn't have to have the folksthat had passed away up with the
regular folks.
They could do all that in thetunnels.
And when we were little kidsand we would play there, it was
not renovated, so they onlyrenovated the floors that people
went to and the basements wereall the lockers and stuff were

(31:33):
still there.
Like, wow, we would go downthere.
We'd do hide and seek downthere.
Now, that's some hide and seek,that's some high quality hide
and seek in the dark, stinky,rat infested morgue Used to be
morgue of a hospital.
Um, yeah, that is kind ofcreepy.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
um.
And then the other one is aboutthe materials and the handbooks
and the policies and the um.
But hold on, let me find itbecause I and they have it on my
note don't they have like videopresentations and stuff like
that that they have to watch?
Yes In.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Scientology.
David Miscavige I mean Hubbardbelieved in these things called
the, the training films and thepublic films and and the Sea Org
slideshow.
And Casey couldn't.
Hubbard really believed thatvisual aids were the way that
you could educate masses ofpeople without having to do

(32:31):
one-on-one stuff.
And David Miscavige has takenthat to a whole nother level.
Not even have any one-on-one,just the videos do everything.
And so that's what Golden ArrowProductions was.
We were producing technicaltraining films, the public films
, videos like educational videos, but then also internal
training videos on how to usethe e-meter and how to do

(32:54):
auditing and you know thingslike that.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, okay, so I found it.
Yeah, so you know, they cameacross this book, the U U R,
written by the, the guy'sbrother-in-law, mark's
brother-in-law, mark'sbrother-in-law, on the outside,
and it got snuck in by Ms Kobo.
Anyway, they make a comment man, it's just raining contraband
today.
This book and map from PD ofthe Severance Hall like

(33:18):
contraband.
A book is contraband, wow, butit's so similar.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Could you even imagine someone having a book
like bare face, messiah, oh yeah, no, you could never have that
you couldn't have a peoplemagazine that had a bad article
on psychology Right, like ifthey had a thing at the base.
And people this comes up allthe time.
I don't we, we, we, maybe weneed to talk about it more.
But all mail going into theinternational base to Sea Org

(33:47):
members and all mailing goingout is all.
When you write a letter to yourparents, you have to leave it
unsealed so they can read it.
Scientology can read it is likethe police chief of um of
golden air productions.
He would.
Him or his um, his employees,his Sea Org member staff would

(34:11):
have to read your letter, whatyou wrote, and when letters came
into you they would open themand read them.
So when you got them they werealways unsealed.
They'd already had been read bysomebody before you got them.
Yeah, and if your family saidany bullshit, you wouldn't get
the letter.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Right Like it was very common that parents would
send in phones.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yes, like burner phones.
They would send in burnerphones.

Speaker 2 (34:36):
Yes, and those would always get confiscated.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Like, oh no, that's an external influence and you're
not allowed to have thatbecause that gives you outside
connection to the world thatthey can't monitor.
Yeah, so, yeah, none of that,but yeah so.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
For all you people that are wondering like, is that
illegal?
That's super illegal, butScientology has you sign a
little document, a little likean agreement, saying, oh no, I
want you to do that, I want youto do this for me, I want you to
make sure that no one's talkingnonsense to me, so I want you
to go through it and save mefrom nonsense that I might be

(35:15):
subjected to.
You basically sign a formsaying that you consent that
they will open it, go in andcome in and you're totally 100%
fine with it, and somebodywitnesses that and it's done.
Now they can do it as well.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Not that any SEERC member ever reads the contract
that they're signing.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
But Scientology.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Or has legal representation.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Scientology has been doing this for 70 plus years.
They know how to get away witheverything.
They just have you sign adocument that says we can do all
this stuff to you.
And then if you go and try tosue them, they'll say you said
they could do all this stuff toyou.
And then if you go and try tosue them, they'll say you said
they could do all this stuff toyou.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
And not only that.
After every lawsuit, they thenrefine those contracts to like
oh maybe you know this, thiscould be a little stronger.
We found a loop.
They found a loophole here.
So, let's just changeeverything, and then everybody
will sign them all over again.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, a, they have a multi-hundred thousand dollar uh
allocation every week for thoseguys that are plugging the
wherever there's a leak in thedam.
They got uh, they get the besthole fillers in the world.
Yeah, to do that.
If they have to tear the wholedam down and build a whole new
dam, they'll do that.

(36:28):
If they have to get everysingle Sea Org member to sign
new documents all over again,they will do that.
And they did that several timeswhile we were there.
You would be there and you'd belike, hey, you have to re-sign
your Sea Org contract.
And you're like what?
Hey, you have to re-sign abunch of mail documents.
Oh, by the way, we have a newnon-disclosure agreement for you

(36:50):
to sign.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
You can't tell anybody that David Miscavige
lives in El Cádiz behind authorservices in Los Angeles.
You know this information butyou cannot tell anybody or it
will be $10,000 per incident.
And you're like I mean dude,when you're making $40 a week.
It's mind numbing how you justlike whatever.
I'm not going to say anythinglike whatever be done, but just

(37:13):
to finish up my contrabandthought on the textbooks and all
that kind of stuff too.
They quote a passage from KeirEgan where it says be content in
my words and dally not in thescholastic pursuits of lesser
men.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Wow, that sounds like Hubbard all day long.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Completely, and then idolatrous text should be turned
in immediately, like 100%.
Like you know, knowledgereports, turn it in.
Oh my gosh, you shouldn't havethat.
Like hot potato, your hands areon fire.
You've got idolatrous texts,anyway.
Yeah.
Oh my gosh, you shouldn't havethat.
Like hot potato, your hands areon fire.
You've got idolatrous texts,anyway.
Yeah, there you have it.
That was my, I get.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Basher says what happens when you refuse to sign?
You can't refuse to sign, youhave to sign.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, I mean, if you really want to die on that hill,
you certainly could.
But like, let's say so for me.
I was in Religious TechnologyCenter in the example I just
cited and I had to sign anon-disclosure agreement.
So had I refused, I would beescorted out of there, put under
security watch, not allowed totalk to Mark, probably for

(38:24):
months, if ever again, until Idid sign.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
Yeah, no is not an acceptable answer.

Speaker 2 (38:32):
And sure you could say, well, out here in the real
world, yeah, exactly, that's whywe call it the real world out
here.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
As miserable as it is , there is a more miserable
option one step away, at anymoment of any day.
Like, if you, if you don't justsay yes sir, no sir, three bags
full sir, and do it, it's, it'sgoing to be a world of pain,
right?
If you're already not sleeping,that's the other thing, but not

(39:01):
sleeping the you don't have.
There's no food source.
If you don't go to a meal,right, because a lot of times we
weren't getting paid.
And even if we were gettingpaid, if you're smoking and
you're drinking coffee thatburns up, that 45 bucks is gone,
right, you can't.
Even the people that didn't getpaid that were really like just

(39:21):
hardcore smokers.
They would smoke other people'sbutts out of the ash.
They would if there was a longwe call them refries If you
didn't have enough money, if youwere a person that was always
in trouble and you weren'tindependently wealthy or had
like a nest egg of a fewthousand bucks.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Of which there were very few CRC members like that,
by the way.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Yeah, there was, maybe.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
The best facts were the two.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I'd say there's out of 800 people at one time there
may be a bit 10 or 15 peoplethat had some dough.
Yeah, they could just be like Icould not get paid for five
years.
I'm still going to be able tobuy cigarettes, Right?
You know they don't.
There's nobody there really haslike a big monthly nut they got
to cover.
You know, some people mighthave had magazine subscriptions

(40:06):
or maybe they had a car and theyhad car insurance.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Yeah, but out of 800 people who had cars, it was
maybe like it was those same 15people that were loaded.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Those were the same 15 people that had cars right,
Pretty much Completely.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
If you had a car, you might as well have been a
millionaire at that place, yeah,we managed to have a car for
what like three months before itbroke down and and we couldn't,
yeah, and we had.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
We had purchased it from another seahawk member on
that property that had a carthat had a car and somehow he
was independently wealthy, Ithink well, no, he um, I'm not
exactly sure what his story was,but he basically sold us a
piece of junk yes, completely,and so the moment it broke down
yeah we were like well, there'snothing we can do now.
We couldn't afford gas.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
We had a good run.
We had a good run.
A whole good six weeks of 15minutes extra sleep, not having
to ride on the bus.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Holy moly, okay, should we do another one?
What's another one?
Do you have notes, do you?

Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, I have one more that before and then you know
so, in season two specifically,it's very much geared towards
figuring, figuring out how tobreak Gemma, the wife, out and
out, Cause Audi Mark hasbelieved she was dead and that
was the whole finale of seasonone as he realized, oh, she's

(41:32):
alive.
And when they did the what's itcalled Overtime contingency
hack to have their Audis comeout, he was like she's alive.
Anyhow, the the whole conflictof it, like everything about him
breaking Gemma out.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Reminded me, on so many levels of what we went
through.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah.
When I was in and you were out,and and they told me when I was
getting you out, they told methat they had gotten you back.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
That they had taught me.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
And they told you that they had gotten me to come
back.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So if you left, you would basically go to where I
wasn't and I would be back there, and then I wouldn't be able to
come to you.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Right.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
So they were basically doing just a mind
right.
Just they're basically doingthe same thing.
They were lying to both peopleabout the other person and
giving the opposite of what thatperson should be hearing,
Completely.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
To keep them together Completely.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
And also for what reason.
It's the stupidest thing.
If you think about it in theend, like you think about it now
, you're like who cares?

Speaker 2 (42:38):
Right, but like they told me that you were coming
back, yeah, so basically, andthey told me had I listened to
them.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
And they told me I listened to them and they told I
believed them.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, like I mean, obviously goes without saying
they were lying.
But in that moment, and for me,like these people have been my
entire life since, from birth toage 30, in this moment, and you
just kind of have to, like youknow, in my mind's eye I was was
like okay, I'm shutting off thefeed.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Yeah, totally.
This is a good one.
I just want to say was TommyDavis paid his Sea Org $50 per
week.
I gather he was independentlyextremely wealthy.
He was 100% independentlywealthy.
He was rocking five $10,000watches.
If you were a Sea Org memberand you had $5 thousand dollars,
you were might as well havebeen a billionaire.
Right, five thousand dollarswill last a long.

(43:32):
I had thousands of dollars whenI joined the seer.
It lasted like into the mid 90sright just because I had like
three thousand dollars right,which doesn't last forever, but
it lasted a few years.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Yep for sure.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Okay, should we do some comments and do the
giveaway?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
I'm putting it back, are you?
Excuse me Okay, here we go.
Sorry, I was like, oh, we gotto do all these different things
.
Did I show the merch site?
I did show the merch site,right.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Okay, we'll check in on the giveaway just to see how
many people it's up to.
There's 42 entries.
So if you want to get some freemerch at the end of the oh my
God, I'm looking at these,they're going so fast.
Now, you know, you say, oh,we're going to go to the
comments and people go crazyhere.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh yeah, dr X.
Oh wait, love it.
Dr X makes me happy too.
Just normal life stuff.
Love when my life is quiet asfires are bound to happy.
How's you Okay?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
Well, I'm not sure I understand the context of that,
but that's all right, it's allgood.
I meant to hit this one, but itwas moving too fast.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
either m or c still smoke, no, no um but it's been a
struggle bus for me.
I'll be honest.
Yeah, struggle bus on and offexactly it's real life.
What can I say?

Speaker 1 (44:58):
okay, we got a few more people telling us where
they're from uh, killing b asuppressive from connecticut.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
oh yeah, no, we did that one, okay, okay, yay.
Love Food Kitchen.
I'm determined to get somefunny beard dude merch in honor
of the facial hair and a nod tothe wise beard man.
There you go.
Okay, good to see you, mr Love,food Kitchen.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
He was complaining the other day that you thought
that Love Food Kitchen was awoman and I'm like I'll correct
the record.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Oh sorry, yeah, Sometimes I don't know how would
I know'm like I'll correct therecord.
Oh sorry, yeah, sometimes Idon't know how would I know?

Speaker 2 (45:29):
No, I know, I know it's all right Once a witness
Vernon Question Claire, will youhave on John Atack again?
I'm sure?
Yes, absolutely, we've justbeen.
My goodness we've been.
Yeah, it's been a lot.
Claire is your family inEngland Scientologist, thank
goodness.
Well, one of them is.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I was going to say you have that uncle that your
mom turned in when he escaped,her mom turned him in.
Was she in the Sea Org at thattime?
No, but she was before that.
Yes See, that's just likethat's double dealing right
there.
She left the Sea Org and then,when he left the Sea Org, she

(46:10):
ratted him out and he had to goback to the Sea Org.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, so my mom is one of seven kids and her older
brother is the one who got herinto Scientology when she was 17
years old.
She was, you know, hippie 70s,like LSD, all the, you know all
of that stuff, rebelling againsta Roman Catholic upbringing.

(46:37):
And my uncle, her older brother, is one who got her in.
There you go, uh, gt momcomment I think the goal is the
loss of pain, emotion, which isthe goal of auditing, right, yes
, I, and not even just the goalof auditing everything in
Scientology.
That's where I've commentedbefore the ideal Scientologist
is an Android, right?

Speaker 1 (46:56):
It's not.
You don't, you're not supposedto have that in.
In Scientology it's actuallycalled miss emotion.
So if you have any kind ofmis-emotion, that's just.
Why are you upset?
We've been here for trillionsand trillions of years.
Why are you upset that your kidpassed away?
Because you've had millions ofkids and you have been millions

(47:20):
of kids and it's like it's atiny little speck in the history
.
There's no need to get upsetabout.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
Right and in fact, even a Scientologist thinks that
, um, like somebody grieving is,they're in a lower tone and
they cannot be trusted.
They will lie, they will likeyou're literally not allowed to
grieve in Scientology.
So yeah, that's been.
Uh, learning how to grieve hasbeen a process and a half.

(47:48):
Let me tell you, oh, buttons.
I know this may be a weirdquestion, but why are men
seemingly not allowed to havebeards?

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Do you know why.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Why.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
Because I think when because you know, dave Miscavige
had a beard, mark Yeager had abeard, they all had beards.
Dave Miscavige had a beard,mark Yeager had a beard, they
all had beards.
Ray Madoff had a beard therewas some kind of thing that
happened in the 80s, the late80s, where in order to become an

(48:20):
executive, to qualify as anexecutive, you were not allowed
to have a beard, so they all hadto shave all their beards.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Off with the facial hair.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, it was a big thing, and then they didn't have
beards after that that wasbefore I was an adult.
If you look at old pictures ofDavid Miscavige and Mark Yeager
in historic pictures they allhad beards.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I remember seeing ones where they had mustaches
yeah well, but I didn't rememberbeards.
I remember seeing ones wherethey had mustaches, yeah well.
I didn't remember beards,full-on beards, beards and
mustaches.
Okay, interesting, I think.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
David Miscavige he had like a big pornstache
mustache and Jaeger Midoff thoseguys had big old beards.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
Yeah, but now that you mention it like of all the
hundreds of Hubbard photos I'veever seen, I don't remember one
where he had a mustache or abeard, do you?

Speaker 1 (49:09):
No, but he had some long crazy nails and long like.
There's some unedited likehistoric pictures of Hubbard and
he had.
He has like the curly nails,like Funyan nails, like yellow
old man nasty nails I don't knowhe wasn't doing a lot of typing
with those things, I guaranteeyou that.

(49:29):
Um but um.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
But he also had like nasty, like oily kind of long
hair like yeah, and it's funnythat um the uh I remember shelly
at least alleged oh, somebodyjust photoshopped that and make
and made it look that way.
That's not really true.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Yeah, they Photoshopped it in 1973.
Right, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
I mean hey, you know, you say potato, I say patata.

Speaker 1 (49:58):
Okay, what do we got what?
Do we got Okay, a few morequestions and then we'll do our
giveaway.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
Thanks to everybody who joined us today.
Dr Shun Lee, what's to stop youfrom getting those, these
contraband books and materialswhen you go to events, when you
have vehicle access?
Yeah, so technically you couldsay yeah, but like what are?
you going to do?
Run to Barnes and Noble and runin and be like give me bare
face, messiah.
And you know, you know it'sbuilt into your mentality as a,

(50:29):
as a Searig member that you knowyou're going to get
interrogated, like one time yousaid to me if you divorce me,
I'm going to become a greasespot on the highway.
That's what you said and I waslike, oh my God, I was terrified
that.
I was just grateful that youdidn't say you wanted to leave.
You didn't word it that way, soI could kind of like ignore it

(50:50):
in my mind.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I didn't say anything .
I said it'd be a grease butt.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Yeah, he was like it was a figure of speech, but yeah
, so there was always that riskand you know, you're just kind
of locked into that world Likesure.
If you don't mind losing yourfamily, all that, yeah, no
problem, Go for it.
Meredith Rowe Hi guys Checkingin from up the road in Parker
Yay.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Thank you for the sticker.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Good to see you, meredith.
Thanks for joining us.
Super sticker from Anita.
Thank you.
One love Fifty one thousandquestion.
Do they?
One love 51 000 question?
Do they advertise thatseverance is based on
scientology or did you guys justfigure it out?
Um, mark is the one who broughtit up.
I mean, of course, we had seenso many parallels, but mark is

(51:35):
the one that was like, hey,let's talk about this on a live.
I already had my whole notewell before mark even said he
did I.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
As soon as I said it, she says, oh, I have a whole
note, I'm like what?
And I was like, well, I do, Ihave a whole note, I'm like what
?
And I was like, well, I do too.
I got a whole bunch of goodstuff, but I only watched the
first season because after thatfirst season I was like I'm out,
I've already been to this place, I don't need to know anymore.
Literally every single episodeis like no, no.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, uh, no, yeah, and we didn't even get to
talking about the clay, the claytable processing we talked
about that and the e-meter wetalked about.
Okay, all right all right, okay, question how are mike render's
family doing after his passing?
Uh, thanks for the question.
Uh, what can I say?
It's it's a tough process yeah,but you're not I've been
listening to a podcast all thereis with anderson cooper on

(52:26):
processing grief and loss, whichis really really good, and in
there he says um, there's no,there's no, moving on, there's
moving forward.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
And there you go okay , um, yeah, we covered that one.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
That was the time we did cover that one um nashay
again.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
All the women seem to be taking on their husband's
last name when they get marriedover and over again.
Is this not by choice?
Well, no, they do that.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
Yeah, not everybody does it.
It's becoming less and lesscommon.
Now it's not mandatory.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
It's not a Sea Org or a Scientology thing.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:03):
But if you want to get busy, you got to be married.
That is a science, that is aSea Org thing.
You can't, you can't haverelations if you're not married
to that person, and that is oneof the things that David
Miscavige loves Like.
As soon as a couple gettogether, all eyes are on them.
How quickly do they get married, or does David Miscavige catch

(53:27):
them in the act before that?

Speaker 2 (53:29):
And that 10 couples at least.
Yeah, we probably had, I'd say,maybe 30 knowledge reports
written on us before we gotmarried.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Oh, you and I.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, and we yeah, deny,deny, when asked deny.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
They weren't far from the truth, but possession's
nine-tenths of the laws andnobody possessed any evidence to
the contrary.
Yeah, no, bring back Mark andMitch Make a movie.
Yeah, I know, I think Mitch wasmoving and he didn't have a
studio for a little bit.
I don't know.
I got to ask him what's up withthat.

(54:07):
We'll do it.
We'll do it.
It's not me.
It's not me.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Well, it kind of is your work schedule is pretty
great.
Well, I have been not here, butI have a studio now he says it's
not me, you can't do it ifyou're gone, honey, it's.
We're working to get back intoa routine of showing up and, you
know, talking about whateverpeople want to want to talk

(54:30):
about, and there you go.
The path is much more likeScientology, that's true.
In some respects actually, yeah, I guess from the cover of it.
To me, though, the mentalmanipulation and all those
layers of deepness are equallysimilar, hey, mark.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Hey, mark, it's Mark Fisher over at Sun Technology
Peeling the Onion.
There you go.
We did a show.
I did a show with Mark where,when we went to Vegas I don't
remember why we were there itwas for a convention.
Yeah, we went for a convention,but we went and saw Mark and
Janice yes.
And then, um, I did, uh like aChinese food place review.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Oh yeah, cause he has a travel channel.
He had.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Mark Fisher has a travel channel.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
Yeah, I remember that .

Speaker 1 (55:18):
I will put a link to it in the description.
Uh, but Mark Fisher has atravel channel.
He's lived in Vegas for like 15, 20 years, something like that,
and he knows all the best place.
And I love Japanese, asian Thai.
I'm into all that stuff, I lovethose, all that cuisine.
And he said this is the bestplace.
It's called I think it's calledChina Mama, it's really good,

(55:42):
it was delicious.
Okay, what do we got here One?
We got a few last ones.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Having our own children really puts our own
upbringing into focus.
It can get hard, but healing,oh yes, 100%.
My aunt, who was never inScientology, told me she begged
me.
Please stop putting your mom ona pedestal, cause I was still
justifying everything orexplaining why.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Oh no, it's totally normal.
She disconnected from me andshe's like stop talking.
I remember that.
And she's like no, she's ahorrible person.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Stop saying absolutely awful human being and
I told her as much and it's notokay.
So stop.
I'm loving the double studiowith you both.
You help me learn more foroutreach with my community.
Nice Thanks, fancy PantsAwesome.
Yes, it is awesome to be in thesame room with you, honey.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Oh, now, this is the perfect comment for this, and
then we're going to do thegiveaway.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
Okay.
Are Sea Org teams ever pittedagainst each other like the
departments are on the severancefloor?
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
That's the thing.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
The.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
Sea Org is like the Hunger Games folks.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Yeah, that's, that's the thing.
The c-org is like the hungergames folks.
Yeah, hunger games meetseverance.
Yes, 100, oh my gosh, it's 100,even that stupid donut thing.
Everybody wants those donuts Iknow and you know what's sad.
I remembered a time that davidmiscavige stood and watched the
feeding frenzy of the donuts andthen he was like like look at
these barbarians and you're likewhat?

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Yeah, I remember that too.
Yeah, cause he would literallybe like even when he would give
out chocolates or Cokes.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
Yep, oh yeah.
Oh yeah, that's a story foranother day, it's okay.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, Anyway, but then when we would eat them he
would be like that was not thepoint.
No that wasn't the point.
I can't believe you drank theCoke and ate, and ate the pack
of gum or the chocolate bar.
I always ate the gum.
I always drank the Coke.
I always ate the candy bar,even when I knew it wasn't
supposed to be eaten.
I was like who cares?
This is a dumb.

(57:36):
This is a dumb game thatMiscavige is playing with us and
I'm going to eat the.
I remember that one time heordered me oh my gosh, that was
really bad and I ate it all andI was so happy.
I was like, yeah, I know you'retrying to make me look bad I
want in and out.
I'm eating in and out.
Yeah, I don't care, yeahtotally crazy okay let's do a

(58:02):
giveaway, folks okay, awesome,let's do it.
Let's do it.
Add it to the stage, waffleparty.

Speaker 2 (58:06):
Do the waffle party?
I'm having flashbacks of themusic and the dancing.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
Did you know that I won last week?

Speaker 2 (58:13):
I saw that.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
I won.
That was so crazy.
I got my merch right here.
Folks, here's the best thing,jlbb57.
Congratulations, k-l-b-b-57.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Congratulations.
Okay, here's your spiel.
Send me an email, claire atblownforgoodcom with a link to
what you would like, and we willget it taken care of.
There you go.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Good, we did it, folks, we did it.
We can do a few more questionsnow that we've got that out of
the way.
Yep, agt mom again.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Comment.
The goal of severance is tocreate workers without
distractions, with emotions,pain, memories being part of the
problem.
Yes, completely.
Animal Audit Corner QuestionEven though you were married in
Scientology, were you twoallowed to talk about how your
day went or talk about your job?
No, absolutely not.

(59:02):
In fact, you know we've talkedabout it a few times that
actually from the very firstyear we were married, David
Miscavige was constantly on usabout, like he'd be come up to
me oh, you're still married tohim.
And and then, when I was movedto Religious Technology Center,
he he alleged that I didn'tqualify anymore because I was
sleeping with the enemy, ie, myhusband of 13 years.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, yes, we did talk about this early latter day
, latter day.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
How's my?

Speaker 1 (59:32):
family doing.
They're doing what they'redoing.
You know it is what it is andwe're all trying to make the
best of it.
And yeah, moving forward, mattDenny question it.
And, um, yeah, moving forward,matt denny question do we think,
with more and more people beingaware of the destructive nature
of scientology, and thereforeless and less people joining
scientology, will eventuallypeter out into nothing?

(59:52):
We hope so.
Yeah, I, I want it to.
Um, I don't what, I don't wantit to burn out.
I would.
What is it?
Uh, the better to burn out thanto fade away.
We want it to burn out, notfade away.
They could just get, they couldlose one big lawsuit and then

(01:00:18):
that would be the end ofeverything.
It just takes them beingconvicted.
Really, it takes Scientologybeing convicted of any kind of
criminal or felony or organizedcrime or taxes or mail fraud.
There's any one of 20 differentdominoes that could fall and

(01:00:39):
the whole thing will fall, andScientology knows this and we've
been picking away at so manydifferent parts, like in Europe.
The big thing for them isprivacy and operating without a
medical license.
In Scientology, they're keepingevery single document on you
that you have ever done anythingin Scientology they're keeping

(01:01:02):
that hard copy.
And if you've been in a session, have ever done anything in
Scientology, they're keepingthat hard copy.
And if you've been in a session, they're recording your
confessionals and they'rekeeping those.
In an EU there's.
They're not.
Somebody's going to come forwardand say I want you to get rid
of all my files and they'regoing to say well, we can't,
because Hubbard said you can'tget rid of any files.
You can never destroy files,even if somebody writes like you

(01:01:22):
.
They send you a piece of promoor they send you a mailing and
you write back Zeno is myhomeboy.
I love body thetans or whatever.
They don't delete your file,they just write dead file on it.
They keep the file.
They just mark it as a deadfile so you don't mail to it
because this person'ssuppressive.
But they still keep the files.
They still have all our filesTo this day.

(01:01:45):
They have all of our stuff.
They haven't destroyed it.
They have it and they use it.
All these videos.
They know who our familymembers are.
They know who.
If we said oh, when I was a kidI threw my sister in a dumpster
, or something like that, andthey go hey, you need to do a
video about Mark throwing you inthis dumpster.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
We went through his files and then they do a video
on me throwing my sister or thethe cracker licking I know this
cracker licking thing reallytook on the whole mind of its
own yeah, that one is bullshitof course that one I mean
totally seriously, I would youknow me, I don't like anything

(01:02:24):
like that, and also messing withpeople's food is like that's
awful.
The worst you ever did to mewas the you know, harry, the
tarantula.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Yeah, I didn't spring him on you I was keeping him in
a bucket as a pet.

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
In our bedroom.

Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
Harry was an awesome tarantula Hell no, hell to the
no.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
I got home I was like what the hell's?
Like it's harry.
I'm like harry is going in thegarage okay, last one uh,
comment, severance has beengreenlit, go see got season got
season three.
Nice, yes, amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
That means we'll have to do a, we'll have to do
another episode.
You guys tell us in thecomments uh, if you want us to
do another one of these evenbefore season three comes out,
because there are we.
There's a ton of things thatpeople have written yeah, and
there's a ton of more things wecan talk about.
If, if um people think that.
Uh yeah, one person says ramascavenge senior had a car, I

(01:03:17):
think yeah, he did yes yeah, andhe was one of those people that
was giving rides to people alsoand he used it to escape and he
used it to escape.
And I was going to say oneother thing that is the biggest
problem with the people that hadcars.
Yeah, they were always the onesthat escaped right like melissa
feshbeck anybody who had avehicle.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Yep, marty rathbun on his motorcycle on his
motorcycle yeah, uh, hismotorcycle.

Speaker 1 (01:03:42):
Yeah, All these people Jesse, Radstrom and
Tiffany.
When they tried to escape, itwas because he had a car.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
Yeah, and even actually John Stumpke and
Lawrence.
John Stumpke, they escaped inan org vehicle, yeah, but they
went into town and dropped it atthe bus station or something
and then you know like,transferred to some, but they
used the org vehicle to get outof there, the organization's
vehicle that they were driving.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Crazy Okay guys.
Well, thanks for joining us.
If you want us to make somemore of the, we call it, the
collection in the merch store isgoing to be Xenu and the Body
Thetans, which I think is agreat band name.
If anybody wants to do that,that would be really fun.
But if you want, clara, madesome BTs Activate stuff.

(01:04:33):
So we're going to do.
We're definitely doing mugs,because that's a totally a mug
thing all day long, but we'realso going to do shirts and at
least stickers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
If you guys want something else, if you want
hoodies, bt's activate hoodieslet me know.
We'll cook some of those up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
And yeah, we did it, folks, we did it.
I'm going to play outro and endstream Until next time.
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