Space Cooties and Empty Promises - Scientology Secrets #6 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
hey guys, welcome back to the channel, welcome to
another episode of blown forgood scientology secrets.
I am joined today by mybeautiful wife, claire.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Hey, hey, hey, happy Sunday, everybody, thanks for
being here.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
And, yeah, what we're going to cover today is we're
going to cover Scientologysecrets, but we're going to talk
about the things thatScientology does to their
members and some of the thingsthat Scientology won't tell you
about that they know about aheadof time and they still they

(00:47):
basically still keep it going sothey can get some money in, and
things like that.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
And it's all about the money.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
My screen.
Hopefully everybody's goingokay here.
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Is your screen frozen on me?

Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, you look frozen to me.
Okay, Well you can try puttingit on me and see if that's
different.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I can see the live switching here, but I don't know
what's going out to the feed.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh but uh are we frozen Clara?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yep the screen is also frozen on.
Both sides, but can they hearus?

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Can you hear us?
Yep, we can hear us.

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Well, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Um, this is Mark's TR0, training routine zero.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
What are you thinking ?

Speaker 2 (01:30):
about You're frozen.

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Well, I guess we can try to do some settings here.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
Sorry guys.
We've been having major BTissues with our internet and it
seemed to be fine right beforewe started, but evidently, oh,
now we're good, are we good now?

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah Well.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I don't know.
We'll just play it like it isJust roll with it, we're good.
Oh yeah, we're good now.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Otherwise, this will just be a great podcast episode.
We yeah, we're good now.
Otherwise, this will just be agreat podcast episode.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We'll just have a great little conversation and be
like cool.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Well, let's do a thing like we normally do.
We like people to come and tellus where they're watching from
in the comments and, as always,anybody who comments will be
entered into when a giveawaythat we will be doing at the end
of the video.
We're going to try to keep thisto an hour, but we might go a

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little over, because there's alot of scams going on inside
Scientology that we can talkabout.
We're going to try to get to asmany of them as we can, but we
will be doing the giveaway atthe end.
So, if you tell us where you'recoming from, we'll do that for
a little bit and then, oncewe've got at least a 100 or so
people in here watching, then wewill start talking about the
Scientology secrets.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
Sounds good.
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you here.
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M hi from Washington, awesome.
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Dalton.
Hello from the island.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Good to see you um, okay, oh, we got some more here
that.
Oh, they're coming in fastannette.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Good morning from chili bendigo in australia.
Nice awesome, betsy, sue.
Greetings from fort bragg,north carolina, uh, we know.
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Speaker 1 (04:38):
Good evening from the netherlands, yay did we do this
one from fort bragg?
Uh, yes, we did perfect okay,um, I think that, uh, I think
that takes care of this.
We do, we do with that onebear's mom.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, indiana.
Somebody said oh, apostate alexis here.
Oh, you got to pull that one up.
Okay, inmate number 8808,reporting for duty from his
majesty's prison, clearwater, uk.
Did you hear that they had Alexarrested for 15 minutes?
I mean handcuffed.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Yeah, handcuffed.
They didn't actually arrest him, of course not Because he
wasn't doing anything illegal.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Exactly, I know, unbelievable.
We're glad you're safe, alex,thanks for everything that you
do, yeah.

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I think here, yeah, why gray, gray, wild, wild.
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Always did oh come, come on,come on, leave me alone.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Saskatchewan, Saskatchewan, I would say
Awesome.
Look, there's lots of peoplefrom other countries.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
Hello, all Hello all, yes, exactly Wherever you're
joining us from.
Thank you for being here andthank you for your support in
our exposure of Scientology'sabuses, which we will keep doing
until they not abusing anymore,right.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
At least yeah.
At least.
Oh, there's one last one I wantto show here.
It says those Captain Daveydolls must be real distressing.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
I know Right.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
We have these dolls.
We've been getting a lot offlack for these dolls because
they're causing great distressalarm and distress.
Where do we have them, theseguys right here, these little
guys, those are Captain Navydolls.
You can get those on thespshopcom and um and support the
aftermath foundation, um, andalso, oh, oh, I thought it froze
for just a second.

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See that, yes, better be good.
We are.
Everything's good, theinternet's good, everything we
have been.
There has been some suspiciousInternet things happening since
we started the channel, kind ofgoing and doing the shorts and
doing the billboards and andeverybody else around us is
Internet is totally fine, butour Internet has been super

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sketchy.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Yeah, no, we're not, not to worry, we have nothing to
hide, it's a beard scratcher.
Beard scratcher.
Well, I, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Anyway, today we're going to talk about I was
thinking I didn't exactly know Iwas going to call it
Scientology on Scientology crime.
A lot of these crimes areeither the Scientology
organization itself orindividual Scientologists that
are making lots of money andthey're giving a lot of that

(07:30):
money to Scientology.
So they kind of get clearancefrom the tower to do whatever
they're doing, even if it's noton the up and up.
But I figured we'd just gothrough them.
And there's a whole bunch ofthem, but I'd like to get at
least three or four of them wecould talk about, and we were
both there for a lot of these.
But at least to start,scientologists are given,

(07:57):
they're presented a bridge andit's called what do they call it
?
The grade chart.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
The grade chart or the bridge to total freedom?

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Yeah, and the grade chart.
On one side of the grade chartit has all of the training that
you would do to become anauditor, or what they call an
auditor in Scientology.
It's like a counselor aScientology counselor, someone
who audits other people inScientology and they have all
these different levels ofauditing that you can do and all
of them cost vast amounts ofmoney.

(08:27):
To get to about a quarter ofthe way up the bridge, where
clear is, can cost hundreds ofthousands of dollars to get to
that point and then to get tothe OT levels.
It could be hundreds ofthousands more, or even millions
levels.
It could be hundreds ofthousands more or even millions,
depending on how you do it.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah because the cost of those services and those
courses does not include yourmembership, your required
membership in the InternationalAssociation of Scientologists?
Well, yeah, but that's not thatmuch.
That's like $50,000 there.
Well, yeah, to get approved forthe upper levels, you have to
show that you're a contributingmember of Scientology and that

(09:10):
you're doing good things anddonating lots of money and you
know you're in good standing andall this.
So you have to present all ofthat to be approved to even read
those upper level materials anddo those levels to even read
those upper level materials anddo those levels, yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
But but besides all that, they have these levels
that are listed, but several ofthose levels do not exist and
will likely never exist.
They have on on the counselingside.
They have after you do, afteryou become clear and you get rid
of your reactive mind with allthe bad engrams.
Well then, when you get ontothe operating fate and levels,
or OT levels as they call it inScientology, you find out you've

(09:54):
got all these space cooties andthey're the real reason that
you're having all these problems.
It wasn't the engrams.
The engrams are just kind oflike that's the starter, that's
the starter story.
And then, as you get further upin Scientology, you find out
the space cooties are number oneproblem.
Okay, and then you devote allof these OT levels to dealing
with the space cooties.

(10:15):
And then it goes up to OT leveleight and that's where it
stopped.
That's the only one thatHubbard wrote up to.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well, so the diagram of the Bridge to Total Freedom
shows up to OT 15.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
But of course from OT 8,.
Ot 8 is as far as you can go.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Well, that's because Hubbard died after he got up to
OT 8.
And that's the only thing thathe'd written.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
Yeah, which, by the way, that in and of itself
proves that Scientology willnever change, because he didn't
write those levels.
And here we are, so he died in1986.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
Yeah, but to be fair, he did write the bridge to
total freedom and he wrote up toOT15 on the chart, correct?
He was like this is my plan,this is the roadmap.
Well, he stopped writing mapsat eight.
So, from OT nine through 15,those are never coming out Right

(11:15):
.
And David Miscavige and this isthe scam part of it, besides
everything else aboutScientology.
But this is for people, this isfor Scientologists that are
watching.
They're like why is it a scam?
And you say, okay, well, firstof all, you're being sold this
whole entire thing, but onlyhalf of it exists.

(11:36):
So you're paying to play thisgame, but the game is never
going to go past OTA.
So it's a false promise to themthat they're going to get to
this.
And whenever a Scientologist isdoing these OT levels and
they're disappointed and they'relike, hey, how come I'm not

(11:59):
getting all my special powers,it's always like, well, you got
to, you got to the levels, arethe levels?
You got to keep going.
Powers it's always like, well,you got to, you got to the
levels, are the levels, you gotto keep going.
And as you get to the higherlevels, then you'll become more
of an operating Thetan, and anoperating Thetan in Scientology
is defined as someone who iscause over matter, energy, space
and time.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, and let's not forget, they also have the
non-interference zone, meaningwhen someone attains a state of
clear and then is going on tothe OT levels, they have to
pound, pound, pound, get themonto the next level, otherwise
bad things will happen.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
They have this by now in Scientology, once you become
clear and you've gotten rid ofall your engrams, you're
susceptible, very susceptible,to bad things happening to you
now that you've gotten rid ofthe engrams.
The whole thing up until thispoint is once you get rid of
your engrams, you're going to bepowerful.
And then, as soon as you getrid of the engrams, they say, uh

(12:56):
, hey, take a, take a, take abeat here, because now you're in
the most vulnerable positionyou've ever been in.
You got to get onto your OTlevels right away, Yep.
And then you do the OT levelsand then you start getting rid
of space cooties and every timesomebody says, hey, I'm not
feeling it, I don't know whereall the powers are at, but they
ain't coming to me.
And then they say, oh, it's thenext level.

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And then you do the next leveland you're like, eh, still not
getting any of those OT powers.
And then they have people thatare on ot8 and their people been
on ot8.
Ot8 was released in the 80s,late 80s I think, 88, 89, 90,
early I think it was actuallyyeah, 88 in 1988, that's when
the free winds had been 88,because that's when the free

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winds set sail, that maidenvoyage, and that's when they
released ot8.
Right, you can only dooperating level eight on a
cruise ship that is either inaruba, curacao or bonaire um
affectionately referred to bythe seer members and
scientologists as the abcs aruba, bonaire, curacao, um and you

(14:01):
could only, uh, do OT8 at thefree winds, and I think also it
has to be out to sea.
I think that's one of thethings when they do the courses
and everything is when it's outto sea.
I could be wrong about that,but the funny thing is is there
was a while where the free windshad all this asbestos on it.

(14:22):
It still has asbestos on it,but they were covering it with
other stuff so that asbestoscouldn't get out Space cooties
are a big problem, but cancercausing asbestos?
no sweat, um, so they?
Um, it was a dry dock, yep, andup until this point, ota had to
be delivered on the free windsbecause that was the only safe
place.
And then, as soon as it was indry dock, they're like oh, we're

(14:44):
just going to deliver the OTAlevels at flag.
You can do OTA at flag.
It's like what happened to thewhole, like we got to be out in
the sea and we got to be ininternational waters because
there's no.
It's like no, that's all outthe window as soon as they need
to make some money.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
But regardless of that, Hubbard died in 1986.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
And in 1986, they'd only released up to OT7.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (15:10):
And after he died, people started freaking out.
What about the OT levels?
Da-da-da-da-da-da.
And David Miscavige was likewell, we got to get at least OT8
out.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Because otherwise people are going to jump ship
Right, get at least OT8 out,because otherwise people are
going to jump ship Right.
And then he let the OT8 out andthen all the people that had
done OT7, which was like a fewthousand people that were at
that level then were able to doOT8.
Right.
And then there was basicallythis idea that they weren't

(15:43):
going to release any more OTlevels until all organizations
in Scientology had reached thesize of the original
organization that Hubbard hadmade in England called St Hill.
And so what they would say iswe're not going to release these
new OT levels until all orgs goSt Hill size.
And for years, probably adecade or two, that was the rule

(16:09):
.
When all the orgs become StHill size, they're going to
release the rest of these OTlevels.
And the organizations werereaching St Hill size.
They weren't really, butScientology was telling the
members that they were.
They would pad the statisticsand they'd game the system and
they'd make this organization StHill size.
And then it would.

(16:30):
It would predictably, and everysingle time they would do it,
it would be empty.
A year later There'd be nobodythere after it went St Hill size
?

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, there were.
There were some pictures thatTony Ortega posted on his blog
recently of the current staff invarious different organizations
and it was shocking to see howfew staff there are in 2025.
I mean, it's not shocking butit is.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
And we're going to cover that, as one of the scams
that we're going to cover isthis outer org trainee thing
that they do in Scientology,which is just another scam that
Scientology runs on its membersand even its organizations, but
midway through the system of allorgs going St Hill size, they
changed it.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And it wasn't that anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
By they meaning David , Miscavige David.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Miscavige, he changed the rules.
And David Miscavige is theexpert of moving the goalposts.
Okay, whenever Scientology aregetting close to scoring a goal,
he moves those goalpostsbecause he knows he's got to
release these OT levels thatdon't exist.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
He's either going to have to make something up or
he's going to have to telleverybody hey, the old dude died
after he wrote OT8 and that wasthe end of it.
And we even kind of had tofudge the OT8 thing because he
didn't even really write that.
We just took a bunch of stuffhe did and we made that OT8.
And then we haven't been ableto come up with anything for
these other OT levels andthere's a bunch of rumors and

(17:58):
Dave Miscavige we worked withDave for many years, with Dave
for many years, and he wouldtell stories to us about how L
Ron Hubbard told Ray Midoff abunch of these OT levels at
least.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
OT 9 and 10.
Yeah, and Ray Midoff was thehighest technical person that
oversaw all of the Scientologycourses and training of every
Scientologist the world over.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, at the time, his post title, his job title,
was the Senior Case SupervisorInternational and that person is
responsible for all Scientologytraining and counseling in the
world.
And so when he was on that job,hubbard told him what OT 9 and
10 were, according to DavidMiscavige and then Ray Midoff

(18:50):
being this ultimate person whowas very smart and could
remember things because he wasan OT and all these other things
.
He forgot everything.
Hubbard told him he didn'twrite it down.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, probably because his brother had left and
was an SP.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, anyway, ray Midoff's brother.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Which is that's a whole nother story anyway, but
either way, there's no, no OTnine and 10 and whatever.
Hubbard told Ray that it was.
It's gone forever.
Yep, and David Miscavige hasbeen yelling, had been yelling
at Ray Midoff about that formany, many years while we were
there.
It would come up in meetingsLike he would ask Ray something
and then Ray would say yes,absolutely, sir.

(19:31):
No, yes, sir, no, sir, threebags full, sir.
And then David would be likejust like you forgot no, t9 and
10.
And he'd be like and everybody,and there's a lot scammy that

(19:52):
they do in scientology, that's,that's to all scientologists.
Yeah, they lie to all of them.
Whenever these orgs become, oh,the, the new thing is they have
to become ideal orgs, whichmeans they have to have this
giant building and they have tohave all these people and they
have to dress up like the guysthat park cars, like the valet

(20:13):
guys or the you know whatever.
And then, when that happens,they're going to release these
remaining OT levels.
I hate to break it to you guys.
If you're waiting for new OTlevels, they ain't coming.
And if they do come, theyweren't written by Hubbard.
They probably have a lot to dowith more space cooties and the
space cooties have evolved.

(20:33):
Who knows what's going to be onthese other OT levels, but
regardless.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Speaking of space cooties, by the way, some I saw
somebody asked did they actuallycall them cooties?
Space, space cooties, or areyou just having fun?

Speaker 1 (20:44):
They call them body thetans.
That's what they're actuallycalled, and there's tens of
thousands of them on you rightnow.
Everybody has them.
You can't get away from them.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
There's billions, no, no.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
This is per Scientology.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Billions and billions of these body thetans.
I think Tony Ortega is actuallythe one who kind of coined the
term space cooties.
Oh, okay, that is the bestaccurate description of them.
Yeah, space cooties, bodythetans, doesn't mean anything
to anybody, true?
If you walk up to these sayingyou got body thetans, they go.
What are you talking about?
If you say space cooties, theyknow what you're talking about,

(21:19):
right?

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Yep, so we're going to stick with space coot, space
Scientology does a lot of thatwith the language, by the way.
They just blur things withtheir own special use of
language, which serves toisolate their members and make
it very difficult for a personwho knows nothing to understand
what on earth they're talkingabout.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, and because Claire and I we grew up in
Scientology and we worked at theinternational headquarters.
I worked there for 15 years,claire worked there for 13 years
.
She worked directly with DavidMiscavige.
I worked directly with DavidMiscavige, we've been privy and
we've been in a whole bunch ofmeetings where they've talked
about all of this.
It's not a secret at theinternational headquarters that
there are no OT levels.
That's not a secret.

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It's widely known amongstpeople.
Ray Midoff forgot about whatHubbard told him on OT 9 and 10,
and there is nothing past thatthat even remotely exists.
And there was a lot of powerstruggles in the 80s after
Hubbard died to figure out whohad these OT levels.
And after exhaustiveinvestigations and going through

(22:28):
anybody and everybody, davidMiscavige essentially found out
they don't exist.
No one has them and they don'texist.
And the only person whopossibly may have them is a guy
named Pat Broker.
And this makes a lot of sensewhen you think about it, because
Hubbard spent over no Hubbard.
David Miscavige spent tens andtens of millions of dollars

(22:51):
paying private investigators towatch Pat Broker.
Up until a few years ago he wasstill being watched and he left
in 1986.
He left right after Hubbard diedHim and he was supposed to take
over per Pat, and Pat was theone with L Ron Hubbard when he
died.
And so David Miscavige thoughtwe got to play this right.

(23:15):
And Pat basically said if youtake me out, then you're going
to lose your OT levels.
Okay, well, pat Broker was theone with L Ron Hubbard when he
died, and so if anybody wasgoing to know about where these
OT levels were, it would havebeen Pat, and Pat knew that.
So that's why he said I gotthese OT levels.
He didn't have them, and if hedid have them, he still has them

(23:35):
and Dave don't.
So either way, best case, youget OT 9 and 10, which are going
to be whatever, who knows.
But Miscavige has been playingthe long game on this.
This has been going on sincethe 1980s, so basically 40 years
Hubbard's been dead.
David Miscavige has now beenrunning Scientology longer than

(23:58):
Hubbard was Right and there'sstill no new OT levels.
Hubbard was the one writingeverything and creating all of
this nonsense and he died.
So he stopped creating nonsenseand every once in a while
Scientology plays this game likeoh, we were going through some
things, some original writings,and we stumbled upon something.

(24:19):
They went through everythingthat Hubbard wrote within a few
years after Hubbard writing it.
They went through everythingthat Hubbard wrote within a few
years after Hubbard writing it,and every once in a while they'd
stumble on a manuscript thatwas altered or something.
And then they would be like oh,we had a big discovery.
They ain't had any bigdiscoveries.
They couch them as bigdiscoveries.
When they need to come up withsomething, they stumble upon

(24:41):
some original writings.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
They haven't stumbled upon anything, guys.
That's all just PR for themembers.
So they think why didn't theycome out with this 10 years ago,
Right, and be like we didn'tknow about it?
No, they've known about it all.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay.
So that's the first kind ofmajor thing.
That's Scientology onScientology crime.
It's Scientology on Scientologycrap, where Scientologist is
clearly, obviously, deceivingevery Scientologist Correct.
Simultaneously, nonstop,they're selling them all these
bull stories.

(25:17):
Nothing ever is going to comeof these things, right.
Okay, another thing that theydo in Scientology and this ties
into this all this nonsensethat's going down in Clearwater
right now.
Right down in Clearwater,scientology has a very large
cluster.
Let's call it a cluster.
I like that.
That's a good word cluster.
There's a cluster in the OTlevels, hubbard.

(25:41):
When you get a whole bunch ofspace cooties together, it's
called a cluster.
Anyway, they have a cluster ofbuildings down in Clearwater and
they've been buying up more andmore.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I think they own like 200 or more properties in
Clearwater right now Significantreal estate holdings.
Tracy McManus a few years agodid a really good article kind
of documenting all of that.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yeah, and in this recent development, scientology
is trying to build a big hole indowntown Clearwater and it's
called the L Ron Hubbard Hall.
Now, when we were there, theywere talking about building this
and this is in the or in thetwo thousands.
They were talking about thisand they had a design and they
wanted to do all these differentthings and they were raising

(26:26):
money for it.
They've still been raised.
They've been raising money forthis thing for 20 years, right?
So the fact that they haven'tbuilt it, it's no sweat off
their back to not build it,because when it's built you
can't raise money for it anymore.
Right, because it's alreadydone, been built.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
So they're always like, hey, we want to do this
and we want to do this and wewant to.
And even when they werebuilding the building where
that's there that is finallybuilt, now called the Flag
Building, or this new building,which is a giant building across
the street from the FlagAuditorium, or what they call
the Fort Harrison Hotel, andthis building had the cross on

(27:06):
it and they were tellingScientologists, if you give us
$50,000, you will be the one whobuilt the cross.
Scientologists if you give us,you know, $50,000, you will be
the one who built the cross andweren't they also doing
cornerstone bricks or somethinglike that.
Yeah, like for the superpowerbuilding Sure, but there's
multiple bricks Right the thingswith the crosses, there's only
one.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
And, according to a lawsuit that was filed against
Scientology, there were multipleScientologists that were told
if you pay 50,000, the crosswill be paid for by you.
Well, there was like 10families who paid for the cross
and they all thought they werethe ones that paid for the cross
.
Well, they've been doing thatkind of stuff forever.
So there might be an L RonHubbard Hall.

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They might be selling a seatfor $10,000.
This will be your seat.
It'll have your thing on it.
Or I can just imagine theendless amounts of scams that
they've been running on the halland they've raised all this
money and the money's justsitting there, right, and it's
gaining, it's making money.
The money's making money, yep.

(28:08):
So not building it.
Scientology will not build thisthing for 20 years, right,
because they're just getting,they're raising more money and
they're making money off themoney they've already raised,
which, I guarantee you, is inthe millions and millions of
dollars.
There was a gal named LoriWebster who was one of the big
fundraisers for things thatwould happen in Florida, for

(28:35):
things that would happen inFlorida, and I guarantee you
that somewhere she's toldsomebody how much they've raised
or how much they need to raise,or something like that.
So if anybody's heard aboutthat or knows anything about
that, bleep, bloop that in thecomments and we'll maybe we'll
talk about that.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
But when we were talking about this yesterday too
, we were also talking aboutpart of the primary.
Well, an equally importantpurpose of attaining all that
real estate is to push anyonenot in Scientology out of
Clearwater.
That is part of the purpose aswell.
Totally They've done this manytimes in many different

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locations, and we know this.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, they build this thing and and somebody says she
still is Lori Webster stilldoing it.
I don't doubt it, anyway, butyeah, so like they'll build,
they built a park.
It used to be a Checkers.
I think we talked about this ina recent video, but there was a
restaurant which, down in theSouth, they have these fast food

(29:31):
restaurants called Checkers,and they had a Checkers that was
right near David Miscavige'soffice on Fort Harrison
Boulevard and he hated thatthere were all these people out
there and they were a stone'sthrow from his office windows.
And so if he's yelling andscreaming at somebody, it's a
possibility that some youngfolks enjoying some crispy

(29:53):
crinkle fries would overhear himin his loud voice screaming and
yelling at his young femaleSeaWorld members and they might
take offense to this.
So the checkers, I think,closed and then Scientology
bought the property and thenthey demolished everything and
they turned it into a park andthey said this is going to be a
park for everybody property.
And then they demolishedeverything and they turned it

(30:13):
into a park and they said thisis going to be a park for
everybody.
And then, and then, as soon assome some people showed up that
they didn't like, it suddenlywas a park for everybody, except
for these guys.
Yeah, that was mark bunker andleah and mike and it's like hey,
you guys can't be here becausethis is all.
This is a scientology property.
Be like it says everybody'swelcome.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Well, not you yeah, that, of course, was a one of
the episodes of I can't rememberwhich season, but Leah Remini's
Scientology in the Aftermath.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Oh yeah, they covered that in there.
It went in a show.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, and they did this with the Fort Harrison.
They said we're going to dothis, all this stuff, at the
Fort Harrison Hotel and we'regoing to open the ballroom and
we'll use the auditorium andpeople can pay and use our
property for whatever they want,Right, and then they pick the
nonprofits that get to do theirthing there.
And if you're a nonprofit andyou want to do a thing there and

(31:03):
you got maybe some people therethat are talking about space
goodies, well your nonprofitwill not be able to get on the
schedule because it's alreadybooked.
So it's everybody until it'snot everybody and that's how
Scientology always plays it Fromthe very beginning.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
I mean, they start off with we accept people of all
religions.
No, they don't.
What's true for you is what'strue.
No, it's not.
I mean we could go on and ontrue?

Speaker 1 (31:34):
uh, no, it's not.
Yeah, I mean, we could go onand on.
Well, we had a.
We had at the internationalheadquarters, which was located
19625 highway 79, gilman, hotsprings, california.
In case anybody's wanted toknow where it is, or google that
19625 highway 79, gilman hotsprings, california.
Um, there was 92583.
Was this zip code?

Speaker 2 (31:51):
I think so, 92583 if you really a zip code, I think
so.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
92583.
If you really want to reallyget into the gritty there, Not
that we ever used that address.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
We were not allowed to give that address to anybody
because it's a confidentiallocation.
So not even our parents wereallowed to know where we worked,
which is why, for me, my motherand stepfather had to sign over
guardianship of me when I was16 years old to a woman who
worked at that property who Ihad never met.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
And who?
Who was that?
Whose husband was that, uh, theperson your guardian, whose
husband?
Who were their husband?

Speaker 2 (32:27):
I don't know, it was Leo Adam.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Oh, I thought Gelda was your like keeper.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Oh, yeah, no, she was .
She was more like just keepingan eye on me, but she wasn't
officially my guardian geldamidoff, which was ray midoff's
wife, was claire's sort of likeguardian angel yes okay well, if
you, I wouldn't really call itthat well she told you not to
date somebody at a certain pointshe did that wasn't me but with
somebody else.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Anyway, um, which thanks for getting us way off
track.
But either way, um at theproperty yeah, that we worked at
yep they had a clipper ship.
This is the craziest thing.
It's the desert, first of all.
Gilman hot springs is in themiddle of the desert for some

(33:11):
reason.
Hubbard wanted a clipper.
Springs is in the middle of thedesert For some reason.
Hubbard wanted a clipper shipbuilt in the middle of the
desert, a full functioningclipper ship from the deck up
and it had masts and sails andhe definitely had a lot of Navy
oriented fixations.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Something happened to him in the Navy that kind of
stuck in his brain for life Ican't remember.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Somebody emailed us recently about something.
Anyway, I'll have to add it toour notes for another time,
because it kind of blew my mind.
Oh, I know what it was the Navyorganizing chart.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
And it's identical to a Scientological organizing
chart that Hubbard developed.

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah, newsflash.
Hubbard ripped off all of hisorganization tech that has
anything to do with the Navy.
They have that in the SeaOrganization and he couldn't
call it the Navy.
He couldn't call it theScientology Navy, so he called
it the Sea Organization.
Right, yes, anyway, okay, butthey had this clipper ship.
And when they were building theclipper ship, the town was like,

(34:15):
why are you building theclipper ship?
And it's like oh, this is goingto be for events for you guys.
We're going to have events foryou guys on this ship.
And they said that.
And then they didn't have anyevents for guys on that ship.
And then every once in a while,dave would say, hey, let's have
an event, let's have a mixer orsomething and you guys can have
it on the Clipper ship.
And then they'd put this eventon for the public.

(34:37):
And of course their public came, and so did the SPS, and they
filmed and they talked to people.
And then Dave said no more, nomore events on the Clipper ship.
They had a golf course that theybought and they said they said
Scientology, why you guys need agolf course.
I said, oh, this is for youguys.
We're building this for this,for the city.
We're building this for thepeople, we're building this for

(34:59):
you, it's not for us, it's foryou, we'll use it, but you use
it too.
And then they said, no, wecan't do that, no more.
And then so there were periods,went back and forth and the
golf course went into disrepairand then they spent a lot of
money.
And so we've seen this amillion times where they're like
oh, we're building this for you, for the city, and then, as
soon as the city starts gettinga little yippy, a little, a

(35:22):
little yip-yap, scientologygives them a little bit of slip
slap.
They say Nope, you don't get touse no more.
I think if the Clearwater, ifthis ever comes up again,
scientology withdrew their thingwhere they wanted to get this
street.
If you want to know all aboutthis, you go to Tony Ortega's
blog.
It's an excruciating detail onthere.
But they withdrew their bid toget this private street, to

(35:56):
build this Elrond Hubbard Hall,because the city was essentially
going to deny it.
So, to avert the embarrassmentof being denied, they withdrew
it.
So they couldn't deny it.
But if I was going to giveClearwater some advice,
scientology has promised todevelop the entire downtown area
and revitalize it.
I would say, once they do allof that, and it's done and the

(36:18):
revitalization has occurred,then maybe you can talk about
what Scientology could do,because I don't think they're
going to revitalize anything.
I don't think they're going tohelp the city at all.
They basically have sucked thelife out of downtown Clearwater.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
Completely, and that's a really good point.
Somebody could go through anddocument every promise that
they've made to the city ofClearwater and go okay what
happened with this?
What happened with this?
What happened?

Speaker 1 (36:46):
with this.
When we were Sea Org membersand we traveled to Florida, we
were told under no uncertainterms you are not allowed to
frequent the local businesses,You're not allowed to spend
money in those businesses,unless they were owned by
Scientology.
Unless they were Scientologyowned and approved, Because even
the one-stop shop which isowned by one of their kind of

(37:09):
OSA henchmen that does-.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Wasn't it owned by Paris, or no, yeah, paris
Morphopolis, who, by the way, wein an episode a few weeks ago
we talked about a new round ofattacks Scientology has been
making against Mark and Ipersonally, for our business.
And he's one of the and who'sone of the signers on that
letter?
None other than ParisMorphopolis.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Don't remind me to tell you about some Stanley
getting telling.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Paris, morphopolis.
Don't remind me to tell youabout some Stanley Intel.
Yes, because it's very key,okay, but even then we weren't
even allowed to stop at the.
We weren't allowed, as Sea Orgmembers, to even shop at the
one-stop shop for a little while.
Right and it, and basicallywhat we were told is you're
supporting non-Sea OrgScientology things.
So all of the thousands of SeaOrg members which this is the

(37:55):
next thing we're going to getinto, they are shopping.
They're getting paid.
Well, first of all, they'regetting paid $50 a week, if that
.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Well, I think it's increased recently, according to
Catherine Olson.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But I was also told it went back down.
Oh, okay, so I'm sticking withthe 50 until somebody gives me a
pay stub that says somethingmore Fair enough.
When we were there, we weregetting paid $46 and 26 cents,
that's $50 after you take outthe taxes.
But they were spending thatmoney in Scientology snack bars
and Scientology facilities wherethey would buy dish soap or not

(38:30):
dish soap, but laundry soap ordeodorant.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
They called the canteen, which is also dictated
by Hubbard policy that it'ssupposed to be a completely
isolated system, Like no Sea Orgmember should ever need to go
anywhere other than withinScientology.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
So essentially, scientology is getting these
guys from many nations.
By the way, there's a lot ofHungarians, ukrainians, russians
, there's a lot of foreignnationals that work in
Clearwater because they'regetting three hots and a cot and
all they have to do is just dowhatever Scientology tells them,
for 120 hours a week, and theyget their money and they get the

(39:08):
three hots and a cot, but theway they do it is even that 50
bucks.
It's coming right back into theorganization.
So it's a very tight ecosystemwithin Scientology.
Not a lot of that money isescaping from Scientology.
So when Scientology says we'regoing to build something and we

(39:30):
have thousands of members thatare going to frequent these
businesses, it's like you're notgoing to buy.
You're not going to go to apizza restaurant and spend your
entire paycheck on four slicesof pizza.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
That's not a likely scenario.
That is not.
Yeah, that's just not how itworks.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Anyway.
So here's another thingScientology for years has been
telling all of their Scientologymembers.
We've gone through allHubbard's writings and we have a
breakthrough technology that'sgoing to blow Scientology wide
open.

(40:06):
It's going to be insane.
Everyone's going to be aScientologist two years from now
.
The entire world's going to bea Scientologist once they get a
hold of this new technologywe've come up with and this has
been happening since the 80s aswell.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
Yeah, completely.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
And what they do, though, is they come up with
this thing.
Let's just say there's a coursein Scientology that was called
the Key to Life course, andClaire was a key to life course
administrator.
She delivered the course topeople.
That's how she actually gotinto the Sea Org.
One of the ways but either way,they have to train all these

(40:44):
people on how to do this key tolife course.
They have to train the Sea Orgmembers on how to do the course
and then how to deliver thecourse to Scientologists.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Yeah, like the, it's the Scientology equivalent of a
teacher.
Basically, you have to, but inorder to get another person
through that course, you have tohave done it yourself, which is
not the case with allScientology courses, but it was
specific to the key to lifecourse that you had to have done
it yourself.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, so so the the system that they have is they
have to train all these people,but they have to train them from
all over the world, becausewhen the when the course is
released in Scientology, it'sgoing to go out to all of the
orgs in Scientology.
So somehow they have to trainhundreds and hundreds of people

(41:31):
on how to deliver this course.
And so what they do is they sayhey, listen, you Scientology
organization in Keokuk, you gotto send six people to Florida.
Right now they may only haveeight people that work in the
organization and you can'tdeliver this course with four
people, with two.
It's got to be six or more, orwhatever the amount is for the

(41:54):
different thing they're doing.
So they say you got to send sixpeople.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
And, by the way, we should note as well that the
first time this was done, wherethe staff from Outer Orcs were
sent to flag specifically, wasin 1996, at the orders of David
Miscavige, because before thatthey were supposed to be sent to
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (42:16):
They went to the international training
organization.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Exactly which is a key, a key piece to discuss
because it relates to the amountof humans in the flag location.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
So you're right and that is a key part of this story
, because in 1996, so you'reright and that is a key part of
this story, because in 1996, theway david miscavige and all, by
the way, I'm saying a lot ofthis stuff is the information
that we have from working at theinternational headquarters.
But this is how david miscavigeis telling us this, how that
this is how this works.
Like if you are working atgolden era productions and

(42:50):
you're making films and videos,you don't't know how FLAG works
and how the outer work traineething works.
You don't know any of thatbecause you're little cubicle,
you're little silos over here.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
You're not privy to these other silos of Scientology
activities.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
FLAG, the organization in Clearwater, was
making at least a milliondollars a week.
This was in the 1990s.
It was a regular occurrencewhere it would make a million
dollars a week.
The entirety of all of the restof Scientology organizations in
the world did not make amillion dollars a week.

(43:29):
If you added them all up, theydidn't total a million dollars.
So the Clearwater location wasthe organization solely
supporting internationalmanagement and middle management
and the Sea Org and ReligiousTechnology Center Clearwater.
That organization in Clearwatersupports all of Scientology's

(43:51):
international activities.
This is key to know because allof the other organizations
they're basically just churningmoney and they're not making
money.
They're getting money andthey're spending it and that's
it, it's all gone.
When they're done with it,there's not a lot of profit that
can go to support otheractivities and that's why you'll

(44:13):
see all these otherorganizations that never get any
attention and they never getbuilt up or they don't get a new
.
They don't get an L Ron HubbardHall.
They're not getting L RonHubbard Halls anywhere else.
The reason they're getting themin Clearwater is because that's
where all the money gets madeand for a long time, the people
that are going to Florida andthey're seeing the Clearwater

(44:33):
facility.
It's empty.
There's not a lot of peoplethere, but the people that are
there are paying a lot of moneyto be there and that's
supporting all their activities.
But they're going.
Why aren't there more peoplehere?
This is the biggest facility inall of Scientology.
Why aren't there more peoplethere?
And David Miscavige, this washis idea.
He told us this was his idea.

(44:54):
Instead of sending all thesepeople that need to get trained
on stuff to the internationaltraining organization, which was
located in Hollywood, in LosAngeles, california, usa.
Let's bring them to Florida,and then it's going to look like
there's way more people heredoing way more stuff, even
though we told them they had tocome.

(45:14):
And this is the crazy part Ifyou're from Keokuk and you send
those six people to Florida, yougot to pay for them.
It's not free to train thesepeople on how to do this new
revolutionary technology that'sgoing to blow Scientology wide
open.
No, it costs thousands ofdollars a week and guess what?
Most of these organizationsthey can't afford to pay these

(45:37):
people.
They can't afford to payFlorida to house their Sea Org
members and to feed them and todo all this, or their staff
members that they're sending.
So what Scientology does, whatFlag does, is they say well, you
can work part of the day andthen you can study the other
part of the day.
So now, suddenly, yourthree-month training program is

(45:57):
now a six to nine-month trainingprogram, because you're going
to be working a bunch of the day.
What are you going to be doing?
You're going to be cleaninghotel rooms, you're going to be
doing janitorial, you're goingto be in the kitchen cooking
food for paying people that arepaying money to eat in
Scientology restaurants, andguess what?
You're going to work that off,but we're still going to bill

(46:20):
Keokuk and they're going to oweus a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
And not only that, let's not forget of the six
staff that Keokuk sent to Flagto get trained.
They're going to be poachingthose staff to get them to join
the SEER organization nonstopthe entire nine months that
they're there.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Well, to be fair, if they send six people and two or
three of those are flat ballbearings and they got one
superstar and maybe some otherhot shots in there, they're
going to steal those people andthey're going to.
Then, when they're trainingthem, they're going to be like
and they're going to.
Then, when they're trainingthem, they're going to be like
oh, this guy really gets it,he's a rock star.
And they'll be like hey, bob, Idon't think you're going to end

(47:00):
up going back to Keokuk.
You're going to have to stayhere for life.
We're going to have to get youin the Sea Org and you're going
to have to just do this forever.
So, and also, the people thatthey sent could have been the
people that were making themoney in Keokuk when they were
there, right?
So now they don't have their,their, their rock stars, right,
they got sent.

(47:20):
The Scientology and the Sea Orgare going to steal the people
that they sent.
They're going to make thoseguys work for them anyway if
they can't afford it.
And then they're also going tobuild Keokuk for the money, yep.
And then maybe a year from nowit never takes they say we need
these guys for three months.
They it never takes threemonths, sometimes it's a year,
sometimes it could be two years.

(47:41):
These people could be there,okay, and the reason they do
that is because they then don'tflag the clear water facility.
They they have less overheadbecause they've got more work.
They got more workers.
They're making money off of thepeople.
They're going to bill for thembeing there and it's marked up.

(48:02):
So if it's a hundred bucks aday to feed and clothe and room
and board and everything,they're charging them 250.
But then all this happens.
And guess what, guys?
I don't know if you alreadyknow the punchline of this, but
key to life came out in the lateeighties, early nineties.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
Yeah, early nineties, I think 1990, 1989.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
Okay, it didn't blow the top the socks off of
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
It sure did not.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
And since the key to life, they had the golden age of
tech, which happened in 1996.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yep.
Then they had golden age ofknowledge.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Golden age of knowledge.
That didn't blow it off thegolden age of tech.
Actually, if you look at aScientology international graph,
the stats started going downwhen Hubbard died, but they
really started going down in1996 when David Miscavige
released the golden age of tech.
And every time he does one ofthese things it just tanks all
of Scientology's statisticsinternationally.

(48:59):
But it's an appearance thing.
He wants it to appear that thisis the most bustling activity
so they can get more peoplethere, and that was another
thing.
Activity so they can get morepeople there, and that was
another thing.
In an effort for moreScientologists just to be around
Clearwater, he basicallystarted telling all of these

(49:20):
bigwigs that have been givingScientology a few million bucks
here or a few million bucksthere or 10 million here, he
said, listen, you gots to moveto Clearwater because that's
where Scientology is happening.
So he's been in basicallyrecruiting these whales and
Scientology to move into theClearwater area so that they
will attract more Scientologiststo move there, because they

(49:42):
move their businesses there andthey move their.
Their friends want to be nearthem.
So then all of these RichieRiches are now all living in.

Speaker 2 (49:51):
And it's also, it's also where they can keep much
better tabs on what those peopleare doing and or so even like
anyone, that, for example, ourfamilies, they move them to
Clearwater to to keep them underwraps, because they Scientology
and OSA know full well that ifour family, my mom, my sisters,

(50:14):
your sister, your mom wake upand speak out, all hell is going
to break loose.

Speaker 1 (50:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep.
Oh, look at this, mitch is here, hey Mitch, hey Mitch CSW.
That's completed staff work inScientology.
He says it was taken from theAir Force.
It was taken from the Air Force.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
There you go, See, but not only the Navy was I
didn't know that learn somethingnew every day.
It's crazy, I know.
Here we are.
I, you know, I thought, since Iwas the first time I ever had
to write a CSW, completed staffwork.
I was six years old.
I was told that it wassomething that Erwin Hubbard had
created.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, that is another argument which Scientologists
and other, evenex-Scientologists, will say.
They'll say well, ifScientology is banned, then how
can it have this good technologyin it?
Because Hubbard stole that fromother places, so there'd be
some.
There's got to be some cheesein the trap.
You can't have a mousetrapwithout cheese, right, hubbard

(51:15):
went and he stole the cheesefrom other people.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
He looked around.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
He found some cheese.
He rebranded it.
He rebranded the cheese andthey put it in the trap.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yep, and, and we're not just saying that in
Hubbard's personal library hehad 2000 books of you know
everything from psychology.
He had 2,000 books of you knoweverything from psychology,
psychiatry, navy, blah, blah,blah, on and on and on,
thousands of books that,ironically, no Scientologist is
allowed to read.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Yeah, anyway, another thing that they're doing in
Scientology, but just inaddition to all the other things
we've already talked about,they do have this thing where
the richy, rich Scientologiststhey don't want those people to
poach Scientologists to work forthem.
So what they did is theycreated this thing called the
WISE.
It's like a WISE.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
It's the World Institute of Scientology
Enterprises.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
It's basically like a Scientology business club,
right?
And if your company is a memberof the WISE group, then other
Scientologists know that yourcompany is good with Scientology
and if you spend money there,it's all good.
The main reason for WISE was inthe early days of Scientology.

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There were Scientologists thatwere also businessmen that
realized hey, there's a captiveaudience of people here that'll
do whatever I want because I'm abig, quick Scientologist and I
can get them to work for me andnot pay them a lot and kind of
mistreat them and use them upand then just spit them out.
And just, there's just anendless supply of these people

(52:55):
that are eager to make money, topay for Scientology stuff that
I can take advantage of.
And Hubbard saw this very early.
A con game knows game, okayfolks.
So Hubbard knew hey, I'mconning all these people.
I got these little guys thatare trying to con some of my
people, so I got to figure out away.
I got to figure out a wayaround this and so in order to

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be part of wise, you got to payScientology some more money and
then your business.
When somebody does somethingwrong or there's a dispute in
your businesses, you're notallowed to go to the law like
the public law enforcement.
Yep, you got to settle itwithin Scientology and so what

(53:37):
it does is it keeps all of theseScientology businesses out of
the court system and out of thereal world data records and
keeping and complaints andmisdemeanors and fraud.
That keeps them out of all thatstuff and so and it also buys

(53:59):
Scientology some time.
So let's say there's let's justsay there's a guy named Reed
Slatkin and he has an investmentfirm and he's getting money
from all these Scientologistsand he has this investment group
and Scientologists feel theyget ripped off.
They can go to Scientology andsay, hey, reid's ripping me off.
I think this is a Ponzi scheme.

(54:19):
Well, now Scientology's got alittle bit of time to figure out
what's what's doing therebefore they get rid of any
incriminating documents.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Make sure they the key people that need to pull
their money out.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Well, that's what I was going to say and this is a
huge deal because I knowpersonally I probably know 20
different people that lost moneywith this guy named Reed
Slatkin, who was a Scientologyminister and also a fraudulent
investment group head, honcho,and he basically was running a

(54:58):
Ponzi scheme where he would getinvestors and then he would say
you're going to make 20% orwhatever on your money and then
when somebody would ask formoney, he'd give some of the
initial investments, he'd givethat to those people to then um,
to then pay off people thatwere asking for their profits or
their dividends or whatever itwas.
And when we were at theinternational headquarters I

(55:20):
want to say this happened in thetwo thousands Um, they're,
they're basically Scientologyfound out that this guy reads
Latkin was running a Ponzischeme.
Well, there was a lot of highprofile Scientologists,
celebrities what's the guy?
What's the guy in Yellowstone?

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Art Linson.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
No, well, yeah, art Linson, his son John, they both
had money with Reed Slatkin andI think even Wings Huser, cole
Hauser, the guy who played Ripon Yellowstone.
His dad was a Scientologist andhis mom also was a
Scientologist and I think theyboth lost money in that, reed

(56:05):
Slatkin, I think even ColeHauser lost money.
I'll have to look at the listagain, but either way, there was
a lot of people that were goingto lose money.
I thought I might.
I'm off the look at the listagain, but either way.
Um, there was a lot of peoplethat look that we're going to
lose money, and even Seawardmembers.
A lot of people don't know this, but Art Linson, who produced
this Yellowstone show and tonsof other shows I mean he
produced the movie, he, he'sbeen a Hollywood movie producer

(56:27):
for decades Um, he had moneywith Reed Sladkin.
That was actually his daughter,jenny Linson.
Some of you might have knownher as Jenny DeVocht.
She was married to Tom DeVochtand she worked for David
Miscavige at the internationalheadquarters.
Still, does.
And she still does.
Well, she doesn't work for Dave, she just works there, because
Dave don't go there no more.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
But either way, she's probably the whole in charge.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
The only reason I even know about any of this is
because a bunch of people weregoing around and saying, hey,
you got to get your money out ofthis.
This whole thing's about toblow up.
This guy's about to get lit upfor being a Ponzi scheme.

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Right.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
And Jenny was like no way, I'm making a ton of money
with this dude, I'm not givingthe money up.
This is how Dave told us thestory.
I'm making a ton of money withthis dude, I'm not giving the
money up.
This is how Dave told us thestory.
He said no.
Jenny said she didn't want totell her dad or her brother
about this and if it happened,it happened, but it was her
money and she doesn't have to doanything.
Anybody tells her blah, blah,blah, blah, blah.
Anyway, that's the only reasonArt Linson and John Linson are

(57:29):
on the list of getting defrauded.
It was because she thought shewas going to make a bunch of
money and she didn't want togive it up, or whatever the
story was.
They didn't get their money,they didn't take their money
back.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
But?
But there were many otherpeople who did, and Scientology
basically made a whole bunch ofpeople whole as much as they
could and they worked withwhoever in the Slatkin camp to
make all this happen beforeofficial charges were brought
against him.
And then at that point whoeverwas in it was in it.

(58:01):
And I think also I want to saythat Scientology because many,
many millions of the money thatReed Slatkin made, he gave to
Scientology, because that's howthe air cover works.
That's how if you're doing badstuff and you want Scientology
to be on your side, if you givethem 8 million bucks, they're a

(58:22):
little bit more amenable tomaybe not getting so upset about
stealing all the hundreds ofmillions from all their members,
right, but either way,scientology did have to pay a
bunch of money back to the fundto then go to people that lost
money.
And a large majority of thepeople who'd lost money I want
to say maybe 50% or more wereScientologists, rich

(58:46):
Scientologists, who were theones that were defrauded by this
Scientologist investor.
And then there were otherpeople that weren't, that were
just regular Hollywood peoplethat got in from somebody else
telling them and then they lostmoney.
Yep, that is a Tuesday inScientology Right.

(59:06):
These wise organizations runrampant and basically really do
screw over Scientologists andbecause they're a Scientology
wise member, the Scientologistis the one who's going to lose
If they bring up a thing againstthem.
They're going to say oh well,you have to do this and you have
to do this.
It's like what about my $80,000they stole Be like well, you

(59:29):
know that money's gone and hewent to the free wins and he did
all his courses and so we'vegot that money and we're not
giving it to you, yeah, andlet's not forget, we're not even
talking about the other piecewhere they will get
Scientologists to loan money toother Scientologists so that
they can do their services, andthat practice has been going on

(59:50):
for decades.

Speaker 2 (59:51):
But don't forget, if anything goes sideways on that
deal, no lawyers.
And that practice has beengoing on for decades.
But don't forget, if anythinggoes sideways on that deal, no
lawyers.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
And you're on the hook for the money that you lent
, so yes, that's right, they dodo that a lot that you, your
buddy doesn't have any money buthe wants to go to get on his OT
levels.
And so they come to you, theyknow you got the money.
They say, hey, your buddy wantsto do the OT levels.
What does that mean?
Yeah, so Well, you got.
You want to give him 100K.

(01:00:17):
Get him going.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And we worked out this whole plan.
He's got these credit cards,we're going to do this, we're
going to do that.
And then your buddy, of course,he finds out about the space
cooties.
Really, that's crazy and it'slike, well, you owe me 100k.
He's like no, dude, I don'tknow, you know money that would,
you did.
And now and now this guy whowas trying to help his buddy out
he's probably out 100k and hisand him and his buddy now might

(01:00:41):
have to get into it in the legalworld to figure out how to get
the money back.
But scientology is gonna belike no, no, no, you can't, you
can't go legal.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
You gotta, you gotta work this out with us yeah, and
they have been perfecting theircontracts, the scientology
contracts, for 70 years.
Yeah, each time anything goessideways in a lawsuit, they
revise their contracts to makethem, uh, more reinforceable
yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
So basically scientology is at the point
right now with Scientology is ifyou get into Scientology and
anything bad happens to you,they have a document that you
signed that says if I get intoScientology and anything bad
happens to me, it's my fault, Iwill not sue, I will not go to
law enforcement, I will not doanything.

(01:01:29):
It's my fault.
It's my fault.
It's my fault.
Enforcement, I will not doanything.
It's my fault.
It's my fault.
It's my fault.
And just in case somebodydidn't know, here's a document
saying no matter what happens,it's my fault.
That I've signed and it'snotarized, and so they they're.
Basically, if you get intoScientology at this point and
you get screwed, it is yourfault.
Just it is, because that's howlife works.

(01:01:52):
You should know better.
At this point Everybody knowsthe end product of being a
Scientologist is being anex-Scientologist.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
That's how it works.
The end phenomena ofScientology is getting out of
Scientology and becoming asuppressive person.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Anyway, regardless of all that, we still do try to
help these people get back ontheir feet and do things, but as
far as many of them are stuckin and have either been born in
or exactly.
Some people are born into itand it's not necessarily their
fault it not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
It's not their fault at all but.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
but what I'm saying is in the world, in the eyes of
the world, and the legal systemsand everything else, and
Scientology has has perfected avery specific thing, which is
this dot all these documentskeep you out of the court
systems, keep you out of thelegal system, and for a court

(01:02:50):
and for a city and for ainfrastructure that has to spend
money to fund this legal system.
It's like I've got documentshere that say you're not, you
don't even want to use the legalsystem to deal with this.
You want to do this internal toScientology called arbitration.
The courts are like sounds goodto us.
Here you go, arbitration overto you.
Here you go, arbitration overto you.
Scientology sort your peopleout.

(01:03:11):
So it really is a problem nowwhere you have no means of
recourse in Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
If you gave them a bunch of money and I think I
think I'm I'm positive that atsome point In the ongoing
lawsuits the court system willwake up and realize the complete
fraud that Scientologyarbitration factually is.
It's not even something thatHubbard wrote.
It's something that they'vecreated to keep out of the law,

(01:03:42):
the legal system.
Like they, it wasn't the casein our lawsuit.
We weren't required to go toarbitration.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Yeah, well, we lost though.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Oh yeah, I understand .
So we did.
But the judge did say in thefinal ruling had we pursued
other causes of action, such asfalse imprisonment, assault and
battery, we may have fareddifferently.

Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
So yeah there's that too has perfected not only ways
to deceive the general publicand anybody who looks into
Scientology, but they've figuredout ways to game their members,
to game their donors.
To just every single level ofScientology, no matter what part

(01:04:27):
you're in, there's a con goingon, and whether it's Scientology
, the organization or it'sbusinesses that kind of operate
on Scientology ways and meansand policies and stuff like that
, anyway, it's not good.
We wanted to tell you about it.
There's a lot of Scientologiststhat are watching this that

(01:04:49):
they 100% are like oh yeah,that's totally true.
It's hard not to see it whenyou're in Scientology, but you
don't see all different parts ofit.
You might only be seeing itfrom the lens of this one
specific viewpoint and itdoesn't seem that big of a deal
and it's also it's not thatwidespread, right.
But when you're at theinternational level of

(01:05:12):
Scientology and you're hearingabout different scams every week
that are happening somewhereand how they're trying to cover
it up, then you go like, oh myGod, this is insane.
Like yeah, but these guys aredoing it.
Scientologists are robbing otherScientologists, right?
Not just Scientology robbingthem, but they're robbing each

(01:05:32):
other, and then Scientology isrobbing both of them.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Yeah, but then when you get out and you no longer
have the control mechanisms ofinformation control and all that
and you're able to actually,for example, read Barefaced
Messiah by Russell Miller orGoogle Scientology or, in our
case, even go throughScientology deposition, you get
to see the absolute dark andabusive side of Scientology full

(01:06:00):
on in the face.

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Totally.
I think we should go to thecomments now.
I think we've talked enough.
Yep, we've done enough for thisweek.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
We'll answer some questions.
Do some two Mike giveawayquestions.
Do some to Mike giveaway.
We'll do two giveaways of abillion years.
We have the personalizededition from Mike's service,
Thanks to his beautiful wife,Christy, and it has a message
from Christy, Shane and Jack onthe inside front cover of the
book.
So that's going to be ourgiveaway for today.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Awesome.
Do we do a giveaway and then dosome comments?
Yeah, let's do that.
Giveaway Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:06:34):
Okay, hopefully I've got this right here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Oh, no See, I boofed the boof.
Okay, I've got it.
Now hold on.

Speaker 2 (01:06:41):
Let me put this back here Read some comments, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:45):
You know how this I did.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I didn't.
Okay.
Here comment stuff I gotta prepthe other thing.
I can't do, I can't do it all.

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
What too late.
I've got it here we go.
All right, miss your window?
Um, okay, let's see missed yourwindow there it is.
Oh, we got 99 entries right nowin the comments up, just
clicked over to 100 nice okay,here we go.
We're gonna do the draw 101 busthere it.
I saw my name in there.
I would like to win again ifpossible.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
That would be funny.
Don't say that, because if youwin, Socky McSockface.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Yay, congratulations, socky McSockface.
Is that an OSA avatar?
Is that somebody from OSArunning that one?
No, that's Socky McSockface.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
What do they call it?
Socky mcsockface has been inour chat many times I know.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I'm just saying they have a name for it.
It's called uh.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
When you have, like a sock account sock puppet
account or sock sock account Ithink it's sock puppet.

Speaker 1 (01:07:48):
Okay, maybe I don't know.
I don't know all the lingo, Idon't know the lingoingo.
The point is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Congratulations, socky McSockface.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
You won your win for today.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Thank you for joining us.
Send me an email claire atblownforgoodcom with your
address and I will get yourprize sent off to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Okay, let's do some.
This is a good one fromGretchen Philly.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Okay, I'm starting to think it's all about the money.
Yeah, us too, gretchen.
Good observation.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
Yeah, maybe that is what it is Follow the money.

Speaker 2 (01:08:19):
Follow the money.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Okay, here's a question.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
Okay, coffee first always Question how come David
Miscavige is never heldaccountable for the fact that he
doesn't do auditing sessions,nor is he completing the OT
levels?
My answer to that is we'vetalked many times about the silo
of information withinScientology.
Very few Scientologists knowthat David Miscavige does not

(01:08:45):
get auditing or do training orany of that, so he keeps to
himself and keeps very privatewhen he's not beating up his
staff.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Oh, look at this, somebody's getting OT9.
Local.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Juco, is there a hoax OT9 floating around the
internet?
I once had a weird account sendme it, but it seemed suspicious
.
I can't have been the only one.

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
Hmm, interesting I haven't heard of that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
I've seen many times people suggest oh, david
Miscavige is just going to go onchat GPT and Well, Saki
McSockface is saying that rightnow.
Oh, I'm sure chat GPT can makesome good OT levels Exactly.
We've talked about this a fewtimes.
Be interesting, actually, I'mgoing to do that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
You know you don't have to babe, because I have.
I have a project I'm working onwhat you want me to do right
here.
You know you don't have to,babe, because I have a project.
I'm working on what you want meto do it right here.
Yeah, I have a project I'mworking on and I have already
codified all of the OT levels upto OT 15.
Wow, look at you and they'reamazing, really, are amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Does it require an e-meter?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Really.

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
No, not at all.
You don't have to do anythingon my thing.
It's also, it's all free.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
It is free.
That's the best part.
So I'm working it into somestuff.
We'll see what happens with it.
Something to be said about thepower of belief.
So, hey, you know what?
If you believe it's going tohelp you, then go right ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:10:15):
Yeah, oh, here's a.
Uh.
What's this one?
I don't know what it says.
It says uh, jess, didn't theybuild a soccer field for david
beckham?
Well to be fair, they actuallydid yep um at the international
headquarters where we worked.
We had an okay soccer field.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
It was like was decent they, yeah, and but even
those were the upgrades they didwere for the for appearances
from when tom cruise and nicolekitman visited.
No-transcript.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
It was basically a field of grass that they painted
some lines on.
It wasn't a proper pitch.
Okay, I just wanted to go.
Pies, pies are number one rightnow.
Collingwood magpies suck it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:49):
Thank you to Dr.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
X.
Yeah, but yeah, they did.
When he was going to come there, they tried to spiff a bunch of
stuff up For Tom Cruise.
They did when he was going tocome there.
They tried to spit a bunch ofstuff up for Tom Cruise.
They did the same thing.
They made all these littlebungalows and whenever David
Miscavige has got a whale, thenwhatever that person likes, he's
going to put that stuff thereso that that person will stay
there.
I don't even think I have tocheck my sources, but I don't

(01:11:12):
think David Beckham ever went tothe property.
I think he soured before theycould get him there.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
There we go, george's General.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Gretchen Philly Was George's General's store in LA.
Scientology owned.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
It was owned by George and he was a
Scientologist.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
And George was early on the Capitalize on Sea Org
members game.
Because in Scientology, andit's specifically in the Sea Org
, you're required to do certainthings and have certain supplies
and you could never get thosein the Sea Org.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
No like, for example, what we're talking about is you
had to have an exact brand ofshoe polish for example.
So what was it called?
Oh yeah, so when you join, theC organization no, no.
When you join the C organization, you do the estates project
force, where you're doing heavymanual labor Chinese school
chanting Hubbard quotes over andover a definition of a team,

(01:12:09):
things like that and you'reessentially being trained and
groomed into being a member ofthe sea organization.
One of the courses that you dois called personal grooming and
to complete that course you haveto have the correct shoe polish
and you have.
There's a few other things.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
But I got to tell you this because this is the
funniest thing in the world Inthe policy that says that you
had to use this, it's called, itwas called Propert's.
The policy that says that youhad to use this, it's called, it
was called Propert's.
And it was called Propert'sboot cream.
And in the policy Hubbardspecifically says if you're
going to use polish on your SeaOrg, on your boots or your shoes
, you can only use Propert's.

(01:12:47):
And he specifically says do notuse Kiwi.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And so so in the world of Scientology, if you
were a Sea Org member, you knewyou can only use Properts.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Well in a, in the most ironic In an uncanny turn
of events, shall we say, in themost ironic of all possible
scenarios, kiwi brought Properts, okay and?

Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
and so it was called Kiwis, propert's boot polish.
And I'm telling you, if seorgmembers weren't frying their
brains trying to figure this oneout, I don't know what it's
like.
Well, uh, what do we do now?
And everybody was like, well, Idon't know, and there was, it
was like a, it was a legitproblem, like how are we going

(01:13:31):
to use it now?
Because?
Because now it's Kiwis, butit's also Propert's.
I don't know what happened onthat one.
I wasn't polishing my bootsmuch anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:13:39):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Or my shoes or whatever.
It was.
Okay, let's get back Whateverhappened.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Back to questions.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Oh yeah, we did that we did this Laser focus.
We did the oh spanglish spspanglish.

Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Did muscavige cancel the key to life course?
Yes, he did.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
He released it and then canceled it that's true, he
is the one who released it andhe is also the one who canceled
right it was going to blow theworld off scientology back in
the early 90s, but not so much.
He's probably canceled many ofthe things that he's, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Yeah, well, pretty much every version of book he
approved in the first place.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
That's true.
He's also canceled and saidthat's another thing.
I do have to say this wheneverthey come up with, when they
have one of these new researchthings they stumble upon, it's
almost always Dave saying wekind of take this out of this
book because it's like super notgood and we're not making money
, we're losing money or this iscausing lawsuits or whatever it

(01:14:42):
is.
They'll stumble upon anothermanuscript for that book.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
And they'll tweak it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
Guess what?
We found out that Hubbard'ssecretary fell over when she was
taking the manuscript to theprinter and it got all out of
sequence and we printed it thatway anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Yes, oh, my goodness, didn't Leah.
This is from Mark Scientology.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Hey Mark, Thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:15:13):
Didn't Leah our work at New York George's as a
teenager?
No, oh, no, yeah, she did workat New York George's, which was
a separate George's.
There was George's GeneralStore which was on the same
street as New York George's.
Yes, but New York George's wasowned by a guy named another guy

(01:15:34):
named george.
There's a lot of georges in thescientology business.
You're actually right, thereare there are a lot of georges
now that I think of it, yeah,that's weird too.
Anyway, um, yes, you know, leahdid work there and this is the
craziest thing ever.
She used to wait on us, my momused to we when we went to

(01:15:55):
Scientology school and we livedright around the corner from
where this restaurant was, newYork Georgia's and, um, my
mother would give rides to theone, to one or two of the kids
that the the own, the owner,george, and this other guy.
She would bring their kids toand from school every day and

(01:16:18):
they would pay her in New YorkGeorge's gift cards.
Instead of giving her cash,they gave her gift cards or
credit at the restaurant, and sowe ate there all the time
because she had all this cashfrom doing the carpool.
And Leah waited on us manytimes when I was a little kid,
that's crazy.
Not little.
I mean, I was only a few yearsyounger than she was at the time

(01:16:40):
, but anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:16:41):
We went there one time when I was 10.
We came from England to visitand spent a week in LA and I
remember going to New York,georgia, and having a really
good milkshake.
England cannot do milkshakesthe way America does.
It's just not a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Well, you can't really make a good milkshake
with powdered milk, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Oh, come on now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
Anyway, that's just my little dig.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
I love to throw them.
They probably have greatmilkshakes now, but when I was
growing up there they did not,so yeah, and New York,

(01:17:34):
no-transcript perfection.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
Um, okay, I think we should do another giveaway and
we should get on out of here.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
Um, let's just look here.
But but do we doba-doBa-ba-da-ba-dee?
And this one, is this the one?
Oh, there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:17:57):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
That's not it.
What's going on, babe?
What have you done?
There we go.
That's not the one either.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
Oh hey, Shannon, Good to see you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
This one, that one I had a really good one for this
and now it's gone, oopsies.
Well, you know what happenssometimes.
Whatever that's good enoughExcited about the project.
Yeah, okay, let's do anotherdraw.
How do we do draw again now?

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
Hmm, see, goodness me , this is where you get in.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
We're having some issues today, folks.
Oh no, there's a button righthere, there it is, on the corner
of the screen.
Here we go, folks.
The Wheel of Fun.
The guitar says that.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
I don't know the rest .

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Oh, Slushy Beach Girl Laurie is here Archite-,
architew, this Academy, archie.
We don't know, guys.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Well congratulations, you win.
Yeah congratulations, claire atblownforgoodcom, with your
address.
Thank you very much, thanks forjoining us, yeah.
Congratulations, claire at blowfor goodcom with your address.
Thank you very much, thanks forjoining us, yay.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
I think we did good today.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
We did it.
We did it.
We went a little bit long.
We went a little bit long.
You predicted that was going tohappen.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
I knew because I wanted to yap.
I wanted to yap and I wanted toyap about all these frauds
because a lot of Scientologiststhey know a little bit but they
don't know the breadth of it.
And I guarantee you, if we didany research whatsoever for this
episode, we would have come upwith 30 other scams that we knew
.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
Yeah Well, even just from a couple of months ago.
Through the work we do for theMichael J Rinder Aftermath
Foundation, we've helped a fewdifferent people, including
elder people, who werefraudulently charged to their
credit cards without theirknowledge or prior consent,
still just recently.

Speaker 1 (01:19:43):
Yeah, this happened months ago.
Guys, within the last fewmonths, Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
So we've helped get money back for a number of
people.
So there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
It's still going on.
I would like to make anannouncement about that as well.
If you have been defrauded, orScientology opened up credit
cards in your name that youdidn't know about and they
charged up a bunch of cards andyou're saddled with the debt we
know some people that if we putyou in touch with those people
and they send a letter toScientology, I want to say in

(01:20:12):
every single case, within a weekthose people were made whole.
Scientology wrote them a checkand just sent the money Of
course it depends on thecircumstances.
Of course.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
But yeah, and that is why we have set up on the
foundation website a report andissue where you can anonymously
submit documentation and we canconnect you with who you need to
talk to to get help.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Yeah, look at Jess, jess covering for you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
Mark, don't forget.
Wow, yeah, Good job, jess, goodjob.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
Jess, you could have gone seriously bad for the
ginger today if I didn't seethat Now.
Listen, we were talking tosomebody.

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
You're the one that wrote the agenda.
How is it going to go bad forme?
I didn't even write.
Stand on the thing.
Well, listen, we were talkingto somebody that wrote the
agenda.
How.
How is it going to go bad forme?

Speaker 1 (01:20:55):
I didn't even write, stand on the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:20:57):
Well, that's your problem.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Anyway, listen, we were talking to somebody a few
weeks ago and there's a hatevideo on my one of my hate
websites.
I haven't been to them, but Iknow it's there because people
have sent it to me and it's thiskid.
It's this kid named QuentinQuentin Christopher.
I was going to do a wholediagram of how this kid and I

(01:21:24):
are connected, because his dadused to work for my stepdad and
his and, to be fair, he's not akid.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
He's just a few years younger than us.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Well, yeah, but when we were at the property, he
arrived there I think when hewas 14 years old.
He arrived at the InternationalHeadquarters when he was 14.
He was tiny, yes, and he didwork for me and he did piss me
off on several occasions and Idid yell at him and I did
attempt to come after him onetime, but I was in a space suit
because I was shooting a spacescene.
I was being Jason Begay'sdouble and they didn't want

(01:21:55):
Jason to cook himself to deathin a spacesuit.
So they put my dumb ass in aspacesuit and I filmed all these
scenes and this little QC hisname was Quentin Christopher,
but we called him QC.
Anyway, qc was being a littlebitch and I tried to go after
him and I was in the spacesuit,so I couldn't really run fast
and I was very emote.
I was basically in a spacesuit.
Anyway, they turned this wholething into like I beat this poor

(01:22:16):
little kid.
I never even touched thislittle kid, but he's the head of
the stand league, I found out.
He's the one who creates allthe accounts.
He's he's the one responsiblefor doing all the media, all the
shorts, all that stuff atscientology media productions.
He's the guy and I was likewhat a little weasel.

(01:22:38):
Yeah, when I was a shoot crewchief he did so much better than
the prior shoot crew chief andI helped him out, even though
when he was a little bitchsometimes I did, you know, come
down on him but um, we'rerequired to yeah, it was my job
yeah but, um, when he wasn'tpulling his weight, I had to be
like, hey, you need to pull yourweight, but regardless, um, hey

(01:22:59):
, hey, qc, um his wife naominaomi was at the ant base, yep,
and he went to la to go to smpand she wasn't allowed to go,
and then I think they ended upgetting a divorce.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Wow, you know what's crazy is.
Naomi went to school withChristie.
Christie, mike's wife.

Speaker 1 (01:23:20):
Yeah, we both did babe.

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Okay, I went to school with Christie too.
She's in my yearbook.
Okay, I'm just saying, it's thesmall, tiny world of
Scientology.
That was my point.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
Well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:35):
If they had millions of members, we wouldn't have
known each other.
But if they have 20,000, you'reprobably going to know.
Nor would they be coming afterus and trying to destroy us just
for talking about ourexperiences.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
I mean, come on, oh yeah, look at this.
Mitch QC is in charge of allinternet marketing at SMP.
There you go, that'sScientology Media Productions.
Thank you for that, mitch.
Yeah, I just didn't know aboutthe Quentin part, but I did the
stand part.
Well, I didn't know.
Quentin was in the stand.
That's the Quentin part.

Speaker 2 (01:23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:58):
Could be the stand part or the Quentin part.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Yeah, yeah, but we were saying anyway, whatever,
you see what's happening here,guys, you see what's happening.

Speaker 1 (01:24:06):
See what I got to deal with.
It's like gingernomics here.
Okay, like what am comics?
Oh my good, anyway, um, yes,you see you little weasel, you?
Yeah, hey, qc, get out, we'llhelp you.
Yeah, also, um, qc, what areyou doing?
Okay, we have a video.

(01:24:26):
This is not a joke, this isreality.
We have a video.
I want to say it's like 40, 50seconds long, not even a minute,
I don't think of Dave Miscavigeand Tom Cruise backstage at Tom
Cruise's birthday on the freewins.
Yep, it's getting 2,000 views, Ithink, a week right now, and

(01:24:46):
that's because of MissionImpossible.
We always see a content spikewhen Tom gets up to doing stuff.
Spike when Tom gets up to doingstuff.
But somebody sent me ascreenshot of one of your videos
, qc, of you talking smack aboutme or talking smack about my
company or whatever, and theysent it to me.
It had come out of a weekbefore they sent it to me and it

(01:25:07):
had 32 views.
And when I see that, I kind ofthink like, wow, I a video of
dave and tom back stage that'sdoing 2 000 views a week.
And your video that you justmade today, that you spent time
on.
You had this million dollarfacility.
It's getting 32 views a week.
You see, you got to step it up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:26):
I'm still gonna give you a hard time either way, or
leave, and uh, you can.
You can work for me, um, anyway, I don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:30):
Yeah, no, but that's all right.
Well, calm down beard for good,or leave and you can work for
me.
Anyway, I don't know about that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:34):
Yeah, no, but that's all right.

Speaker 1 (01:25:37):
Well, calm down.
Beard for good, dan QC.
Don't do beard for good likethat.
This beard for good thing isgetting out of control.
Go gingers, just for beard forgood.

Speaker 2 (01:25:49):
You know what's funny ?
Somebody commented on lastweek's video.

Speaker 1 (01:25:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:53):
Because you know you positioned your head exactly.
It did work.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
And somebody was like Claire, there's a.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
There's a hairless man in your basement.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
Yeah, we're going to do that anyway.
It's pretty funny.
Um, we've decided.
We decided Mark's not new nameis beard for good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Yeah, there you go.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
I can change, I keep the.
I can still keep the initials,so it's good for me.
I don't care.
Beard for good.
Pretty soon I could be bald forgood.
You don't know hey, now youdon't know this, you have.
You have good uh, good hair.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
Dna or genes or whatever it's called I don't
know about that.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
We'll see what happens.
Folks.
Um.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
We appreciate you guys tuning in yes, thank you
for joining us this fine Sunday.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
We like doing these videos.
If you guys could give us a youknow, hit the like and the
subscribe and all that nonsense.
That helps us.
It does help us aninfinitesimal amount, but it
does help.
It makes YouTube put the videosup for other people that
wouldn't normally get them.
That's the main thing we dohave.
I want to say, probably halfour views are from
non-subscribers on the channel.

(01:26:58):
So if and we do know that thereare a lot of Scientologists that
watch the channel but theycan't subscribe because they
think Scientology is going tofigure out who subscribed to us
and they're going to connect thedots, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:27:10):
Yeah, that's why we got to fight.
It helps with the algorithm tolike and subscribe and that way
our video will cross the path ofsomeone looking to get out.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Yeah, and somebody who's a tech wizard on the knows
the interwebs and they find outif you like a video.
I get the subscribe part.
That's a little.
I get it.
There's a way to track thatthey can see who you subscribe
to, but they can't tell whatvideos you like, can they?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
That would be a little extreme.

Speaker 2 (01:27:38):
Come on.
Oh, and, by the way, let's givea shout out to our amazing mods
, clara and Catherine, whoalways do such an amazing job.
So, yes, we appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
Awesome.
Thanks, guys.
Until next time.
Until next time.
I got to position myself, Notyou, Claire, oh we could do you
too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
No, we'll do it, that would be weird.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Here we go.
Let's get you right in themiddle.
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