The Aftermath Billboards: How Public Awareness Helps Sea Org Escapees leave Scientology

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode onBlown for Good, exposing
Scientology since 2006.
Today we have a very specialepisode.
We're going to be doing afundraiser for the Michael J
Rinder Aftermath Foundation andwe have, of course, we have
special guests.

(00:33):
We have my wife, Claire Headley.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Hey, hey, hey, thank you for joining everybody.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
And then we've got Matt and Amy.
Hey guys.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
Hey, nice to be here.
It's good to see you guys,again it's good to be doing a
video again.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
It's been a while.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yes, it has A very long time.
So good to have everybody hereand we are going to be having a
very fun-filled hour packed fullof news and updates,
specifically all about theMichael J Rinder Aftermath
Foundation and the work that wevolunteer our time as board
members, meaning obviously Markand Amy and Matt and, of course,

(01:21):
Phil.
We're very grateful for yourhelp and expertise in our second
round of the billboards.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
Thank you.
Do you want me to talk a littlebit about that, please?
That would be, awesome, awesome.
So billboard update here we go.
So the billboards we originallyput 20 up.
For those who don't know, wehave three different billboards
that are all for the foundationand we've got 20 sites up right

(01:53):
now and they've been up for amonth slightly over a month, but
they're all still up and wehave now contracted to maintain
an additional.
We're going to keep 10 of them.
To keep 20 up would be a littlemuch, but we're going to keep
10 of them up for a year.
This is huge.

(02:15):
I've worked on billboards in thepast and to have billboards up
for a couple of months is big,but to have them up for a year
is very exciting.
But to have them up for a yearis very exciting.
This is going to have themessage out there that Sea Org
members, staff members,scientologists are going to see
they're going to bump into it atsome point in time With 10
billboards around Los Angelesnearby Scientology buildings.

(02:37):
They're going to run into themand the message is very clear.
Now we had to make a few slightchanges, but that was just on
the one billboard.
There was some pushback fromScientology, of course.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Of course, as is always to be expected.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
I've run into this many times in the past
Scientology will always pushback.
But this time I mean it's notthat much different than what we
ran into years ago with theCall Me campaign.
They pushed back.
We had to make a fewadjustments back then where we
had to put like a little messageon it, initially, at least for

(03:16):
the first month, and then, oncethings settled down, then they
allowed us to take the messageoff, which was basically paid
for by, and this one will saypaid for by the Aftermath, which
was basically paid for by, andthis one will say paid for by
the Aftermath Foundation.
Now it's only for the one, andthis one is the one, the Mike
Rinder billboard, and thepushback was specifically on by

(03:38):
Scientology on the word cult.
Of all the things we had onthose billboardsboards, the one
thing that just pissed them offthe most was the word cult so it
did to be fair.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
It didn't even say scientology.
It said the main differencebetween a cult and not a cult is
what happens when you leave.

Speaker 4 (03:57):
It doesn't even mention scientology exactly, and
we even tried to take allreferences to scientology off
the billboard, like even on thewebsite, at the bottom and
everything.
But there was enough pushbackfrom Scientology that they
wouldn't allow us to put theword cult in there.
So we just we changed it upslightly, the wording on it, and

(04:18):
instead of cult we're going tobe using a high control group.
So the difference between areligion and a high control
group is what happens when youtry to leave and Mike's picture
is still on there, the websiteis still on there, everything.
And the phone number, theAftermath phone number, is on
there.
So the only difference and thismessage of paid for by the

(04:43):
Aftermath Foundation is only onthat billboard and I'm assuming
that after a month or twothey'll allow us to take that
off there.
That's what happened when wedid our original Call Me
Billboards.
The first month we had themessage paid for by on it and
then after that they said youknow, I guess what happens is
once Scientology settles downand their lawyers go away and

(05:04):
whatever, then I guess the mediacompany gets a little more
comfortable with it.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, it's so ironic that they didn't complain about
Scientologyabusecom, but theythrew a complete fit over the
definition of cult, which, bythe way, in the English
dictionary, as Steve Kent sokindly pointed out to us.
He sent us a wholedocumentation of how they

(05:31):
absolutely fit the definition.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
Because they know they're a cult.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Plus, I'm sure that Mike Rinder's picture being up
there is triggering as well.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
That's really at the end of the day.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
Yeah, I mean, it'd be tough for them to say we don't
want that picture up there.
So they had to argue something,and so the one thing they
locked in on was the word cult.
We wanted to not fight too muchwith the media company, because
the more important thing was toget this campaign running for a
year.
Yes, and so if we push back toomuch, I didn't want to

(06:10):
jeopardize the campaign at all,so we kind of bent a little bit
for them, which is fine, becausethe billboards are still up.
We're going to have 10billboards up.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, and we're going to call them our cult
billboards, anti-cult billboards, but they can say high control
group.
They fit that bill too Right, Iknow.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
They do.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, and when you have Mike Rinder's face, whether
it says cult or high controlgroup, everyone is going to
think of Scientology.
No question about it, the worldover.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Exactly, Exactly and just as a side note, there is a
person in LA who walks aroundthe Sea Org buildings a lot
almost every day, and I gave himsome of these cards with the
aftermath message on them andhe's been handing them out to
Sea Org members.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
Amazing.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
So yeah, and so if anybody else wants any of those
that are in LA or near any SeaOrg buildings, and if they want
some, let us know and we'll sendthem to you.
And if you just hand them outto Sea Org members, it's got the
phone number on it.
And this friend of mine too.
What the other thing he does ishe, if they don't take a card,
he'll say the phone number outloud and it's a real easy to

(07:25):
remember phone number.
It's just 888-3002.
And he's just out there sayingthat to every Sea Org member
that he sees.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
That's awesome, and those cards, by the way, are
available on spshopcom.
We print them and all that weask is that you pay the cost of
us shipping them to.
You print them and we all thatwe ask is that you pay the cost
of us shipping them to you.
But we have four differentdesigns of the aftermath card
the curious design, the needhelp leaving all of those, and
there's also on the aftermathfoundation website a way that

(07:57):
you can also just print them offyourself if that's easier for
you.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Yeah.
And that is a duplicate of oneof the billboards.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Correct, it's yeah, the only difference is the image
of the person in the card is afemale and on the billboard it's
male.
So you know, diversifying.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
I bet you didn't even notice that.
No, no, but the ones I have arethe male.
But I didn't realize.
Oh nice, we have both.
We have both versions.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Just to make clear that anyone who wants to leave
this organization, we will helpthem.
Yes, Nice.
Awesome and we have an awesomevideo that we're going to play
displaying these billboards injust a minute here.
But first of all, I just wouldlike to give a shout out and a
huge thank you to our boardmember, michelle adair, who you

(08:48):
will see featured in this video,and also michelle's wife,
rachel hastings adair, who ofcourse, helped with all this
filming and put this videotogether at very short notice so
we could share it here todaygreat, awesome.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
And then we'll do a little bit of a Q and a um after
this, if people have questionsor whatever.
And then before I, if just incase I forget, if you make any
comments during today's video,we're going to do a giveaway at
the end of the video.
We're going to do a giveaway atthe end of the video and just
commenting on today's videowe'll enter you in.
You don't have to buy anything,it's free.

(09:23):
Just make a comment and you'llbe automatically entered in to
win something at the end of thevideo.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Yes, and also before we play the video, I would like
to give a huge shout out to themany people who have donated in
support of the AftermathFoundation.
The work that we do would notbe possible without your support
, so we are just incrediblygrateful that we get to continue
our work to help people get out.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Awesome, without any further One.

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Last point on the billboards is for those that
don't know.
The purpose of the billboardsis, to a large degree, it's to
give a pathway for people thatare in the Sea Org, have no
resources.
If they want to leave the SeaOrg and they walk out the door,
are they going to turn left?
They're going to turn right.
They have no money, they haveno phone, they have no internet

(10:12):
access, but they might see aphone number up on one of these
billboards and if they can getto a phone they can get help and
this gives them a chance.
I'm sure there's been manypeople over the years who've
wanted to leave but didn't.
They ended up staying in theSea Org just because they had no
way, nowhere to go, nobody tohelp them if they got out.

(10:33):
So the billboards offer themthat pathway and that's the
important thing about keepingthem up there.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
Yes, absolutely.
And last comment on that, bythe way, we very often work with
families of current members ofthe Sea Organization and guide
them and mentor them on what tocommunicate to their family
member who is stuck in the SeaOrganization.
And you're absolutely right,phil.
Many, many times the member ofthe Sea Organization feels stuck

(11:03):
because they've been soisolated from the outside world
and they think well, you know, Iwouldn't be able to get a job,
but my life is over, I have noresources, and so just arming
the family members with theknowledge that, as soon as the
person is ready to leave, we'rehere to 10 active cases that
we're working on right now.

(11:24):
Very often, we work withfamilies over the course of
months or even years.
In the case of Rosemary Brown,we were working with her family
since March of 2021, so anentire year before she actually
made her escape.
So it's very important that wekeep this message up, and just

(11:44):
having it out there, as you'llsee very visibly in this video
we're about to play, is huge.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
Awesome.
Ok, we're going to do it Ready.
It's going to play right awayas soon as I click the button.
So here we go.

Speaker 6 (12:02):
I'm Michelle Adair and I'm a board member on the
Mike Render Aftermath Foundation, and I'm out here today to
bring you some footage ofbillboards that we were able to
get put up here in Los Angeles,close to a lot of the
Scientology buildings, in orderto help Scientologists escape

(12:22):
the cult of Scientology.
With these billboards we'll beable to get the word out to as
many people as possible, to justplant the seed so they can call
the Aftermath Foundation andreceive the help that they need.
We will be able to unitefamilies back together, save
children from abuse, stop humantrafficking, stop elder abuse,

(12:43):
and the list goes on and on.
I'm a little nervous out heretoday to be filming this,
because the last time that weput one of these up, phil Jones
and my wife were attacked by anunsheltered man paid by
Scientology.
So hopefully today we have alittle better luck.
That was right here.

Speaker 7 (13:02):
That happened with the billboard that was just down
there.
This is the AB, the Anthonybuilding, which is the birthing
where they live, the staff forthe International Liaison Office
, the HGB they all live in here.

(13:24):
At least the majority of themlive in this building.
Hundreds of Seerig members.
There's a van, pool van Pickingup some Seerig members.
That's a Scientology van, andwe are now heading towards
another billboard.
I think it's down here.
I think it's down here by theStarbucks.

(13:44):
So this along here is where SeaOrg members from the ILO they
walk during their CSP.
They'll come down here.
Sometimes they'll go early inthe morning before post, also go
to the Starbucks on the cornerhere, which is where I believe
the billboard is.
We haven't been to thisbillboard is.

(14:08):
We haven't been to thisbillboard yet, so we're going to
have to find it, but this isdefinitely there.
It is, oh, very close, that'samazing.
Very close.
This is right on the path.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's so awesome.

Speaker 7 (14:24):
I'm waiting for them to drive their van, cool van and
not that's my little staffmember Seahawk members that just
went by this sign.
There's no air around it.
It is so close to the AB.
Hundreds of Seahawk memberslive there.

(14:47):
A whole van of them just droveby Because the AB is just down
there.
No avoiding it.
So this is the Starbucks SeaOrg members like their Starbucks
.
There it is.
That's the billboard, nice.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Mike.

Speaker 7 (15:08):
Rinder's face.
He's at the Starbucks where theILO Sea Org members go early in
the morning if they can wake upor if they haven't gone to
sleep yet and they gotta go backon post on Sunday morning Mocha
with Mike At the entrance tothe 101.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
Yes.

Speaker 6 (15:28):
They're going to highlight that oh.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Mike oh.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
Fraggle.
Mike, you went too far.
Here we are at our here we gotime, just blocks away from
Scientology and right in frontof the Starbucks where the
Scientologists like to go anddrink coffee.
So they get to have coffee withMike every morning.
We're excited.

Speaker 7 (15:54):
Not every morning.
They're probably not allowed togo every morning.
The bus from the ILO it's goingto go turn there because the
birthing is over there.
It's going to come along eitherright along the street here or
it's going to get on the freewayright here.
That's really common, but theyhave to drive by.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
I love that spot, mike Rinder Wow.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
There's no avoiding it Right on the freeway on-ramp.

Speaker 6 (16:29):
Everyone who has done this deserves the badge of
honor of being a suppressiveperson of Scientology.
Heroes come in many forms.
Being Scientology enemy numberone should be a competition.
We are also so grateful for ourdonors.
Without their unwaveringsupport, none of this would be
possible.
I know that 30 seconds afterthis video goes up, there will

(16:50):
be 500 Scientology trolls inaction to discredit the Mike
Rinder Aftermath Foundation, butone thing always stands strong,
and that is the dedication ofour donors to help people.
Scientology has beeninfiltrating the Scientology
survivor groups for some timenow and turning them on each
other, and I think it's time torefocus.
So I've personally never beenin Scientology and I definitely

(17:15):
have not escaped Scientology.
However, my wife has, and hereshe is filming me.
So what is it to you to havethis billboard go up?

Speaker 7 (17:28):
well, I think there are still quite a lot of people
who are trapped withinscientology.
There's people that I knowpersonally who are working right
now down the street at the bluebuildings.
There's people that I knowpersonally who are working a
couple blocks away at S&P and Iknow that they want to leave.
I know they're unhappy and theyfeel that they can't.

(17:49):
They feel that they're trapped,they're kept without any
financial resources, the threatof losing everyone they know all
their family and friends andhaving a sign up that they're
going to drive by, that theyhave to drive by, that they
could walk by during a normalroute that they take during CSP.
Actually, having 20 signs up inall these different areas is

(18:13):
hope.
I really hope that you knowpeople know, if they end up
seeing this video somehow underthe radar, that you really can
escape.
You really can be free and youknow.
Call the number, find a way toget online.
Go to a library and get on anunfiltered internet line.
Go to aftermathhelp.

(18:34):
Call 888-FREE-002.
The Aftermath Foundation existsto help you escape, because I
think that it's really importantthat we have this out there and
Scientology has been fightingit, and the reason they're
fighting it is because they knowthey have members that they're
trapping and that they'reenslaving and that they're not

(18:57):
letting go that want to go.
If everybody that was in justwanted to stay, like Scientology
says, they wouldn't care aboutthese billboards because they
wouldn't have any power.
The fact that Scientologyfought so hard to get the other
one removed in 48 hours, thatthey're fighting so hard right
now to get these billboardsremoved, is a sign of how
important they are and how muchwe need them.
So I just hope that thismessage gets out.

(19:19):
If it gets out to one personand we free one life, we're
supporting human rights.
If it gets out to one personand we free one life, we're
supporting human rights, and Ithink that's really important
and I know a lot of people outthere have folks still in
Scientology that they care aboutand they want them to see this
message.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
So we need to do everything we can to spread the
word about this and support themhowever we can, so these
billboards can stay up and go upin more places.
And that's Rachel HastingsAdair coming to you live from
the Michael Render AftermathFoundation billboard.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
There you go, amazing .

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Awesome, love it.
We lost Phil there.
We Phil, there we are.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
One little point.
If you noticed on there some ofthe, it looked like maybe a
slight bit of peeling on thebillboards.
Those original billboards wereone material that were short
term.
We've had new ones printed upwith better materials that will
last the year.
So if you see a little bit ofthat, don't panic over the

(20:28):
little kind of peeling up orblemishes or stuff like that.
The billboards going up for thenext year are the better
materials that will last theentire year.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, if you only get a month, they only put up
material that lasts a month.

Speaker 5 (20:43):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
They've got to go find science.

Speaker 4 (20:46):
They do.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
That was an amazing and powerful video.
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Oh my.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
God.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Michelle, oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
And I do want to make sure that people understand
that these billboards are notfree.
We have to pay to put them upand because we want to reach
these people, we need funds tohelp the people, but we also
need funds to help put up thebillboards.
So the reason that we're doingthis video today is this is a

(21:16):
fundraiser.
We're trying to raise morefunds so we can pay for the year
of billboards.
We can pay for years ofbillboards and the only way that
we're going to be able tocontinue to do billboards and
not only in Los Angeles but inother places is if we receive
donations from people to supportthe foundation.

(21:37):
So we want to do fundraisersmore often.
We want to get the Aftermathpage.
The Aftermath has a websitethat you can go to to donate.
You can also go to the SP shopand that's where you can buy
merch merchandise.
That 100% of the proceeds go tosupport the Aftermath
Foundation.
And we're also trying to getthe Aftermath Foundation channel

(21:59):
YouTube channel up over 10,000subscribers, so the Aftermath
channel itself can dofundraisers and we can post.
We're going to post that videoyou just saw.
We're going to post that up onthe aftermath YouTube page If
you guys want to watch it againand yeah, it's exciting.
We can't thank you enough, phil, for all the help that you've

(22:21):
given us to get through this.
You wouldn't think that puttinga billboard is such a such a
challenge.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
There's a lot of pieces to it there's you know
surprising people don't?
I mean, there's a lot of backand forth.
You got to get the artwork done, then you got to get this
approved.
They go back to the art.
You know there's a lot of backand forth.
But one point too that, uh, ifsomeone does want to donate,
they can, on the aftermathfoundation site, donate
specifically for the billboards.
If does want to donate, theycan, on the Aftermath Foundation
site, donate specifically forthe billboards if they want to

(22:47):
do that.
So just go to where it saysdonations and then just pull
down the little menu from thereand it'll say donate to the
billboards and you can if youwant to.
For however you want to do it.
But yeah, definitely we want tokeep these up because it does
give that opening for people whowant to leave the Sea Org.

Speaker 3 (23:07):
It is, and it's also for the family members that have
people in the Sea Org.
They know what line to call youknow because maybe, maybe their
loved one isn't necessarilyseeing the sign, but people on
the outside are.
So, yeah, there's people knowScientologists or have loved
ones in there and they need tosee the message too that there
is hope and help.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yes, through and through.
It's a message of help and alsoto educating anyone that might
for one second consider oh, whatScientology about?
Let me go in and see.
No, that's the other second.
You know, secondary purpose.
That is equally important.
Stop people getting lured in inthe first place.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah, they can get their information from our
website and then all of ourvideos.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Yes, completely Awesome.
Well, this concludes ourbillboard section.
Phil, thank you so very muchfor joining us today.
I will just end with we havehuge news coming on monday, so
just remember to subscribe.
You know, follow us on allsocial media.
We'll have a page up later inthis show today that will show

(24:14):
you all the ways you can do that.
But stay tuned for big newscoming monday awesome.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Thank you, phil, thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Phil, Thank you so much.
Phil Talk to you soon.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
Happy Easter.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Happy.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Easter everybody Bye.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Okay, awesome, well, that was very exciting.
I'm so proud of everybody whohelped us do that, and we really
, really think that this isgoing to make a big difference
and we're going to be able toreach a lot more people and get
a lot more people helped.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Yes, yeah, that video was awesome.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
What are we doing next?
We're going to do?

Speaker 2 (24:53):
you're going to do a recap of 2024.
Next, we're going to talk aboutnews and updates and talk about
our program progress in 2024.
So we have a slide presentation.
So we have a slide presentationand then at the end we'll come
back in and talk about what weshowed, some examples of people

(25:14):
we've helped, without, of course, naming any names.
You know, as I mentioned, thereare many times that we are
working on cases over the courseof months, or even a year or
more, working with theirfamilies, et cetera,
reconnecting them, andunfortunately, it's not always,
it doesn't always work out asplanned.
We'll touch on some of thatagain, without giving away any
information, but we keep ondoing the work and that's what's

(25:38):
really, really important.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
Absolutely.
And just so you guys know, thisvideo that we're in right now
is playing should be playing onthe Aftermath channel.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
I hope it is.
Oh, clara says yes, it is.
Yay, you can get on over andwatch it on the Aftermath
channel and everything.
But even more so it's greatwhen we can entirely set it up

(26:07):
to just support a nonprofitcause, which in this case, of
course, is the Michael J RenderAftermath Foundation, and it
makes way more sense for us todo and talk about our work in
that context as a fundraiserthan on our personal YouTube
channel, where there's you knowwhatever Google ad says revenue
that's.
It's far more important to usthat the work we do benefits the

(26:31):
foundation.
Thus us being here today.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Somebody said I'm on the aftermath channel and it's
working fine.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
Yay, thank you, amy.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Awesome, there we go Okay good, so um sorry am I um
my clicker button is got alittle bit of a blitz there,
okay, so there you go.
There we go, okay, good, sosorry, my clicker button is
going a little bit of a blitzthere, okay.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
So there you go there we go All right 2024 programs,
100 plus total people helped.
This is between not only directgrant recipients our mentorship
services, our foundationoutreach career counseling.
We started the mental healththe therapy group, physically in

(27:07):
Los Angeles.
It was starting in.
I believe that started inOctober of last year and coming
in June we will have an onlineversion of that group so that we
can reach even more people,which is amazing.
And let's see what else, oh yeah, we've talked about.
We have obviously the crisisline, 888-3002.

(27:30):
So that when they run intostrange situations with members
of the SEER organization andthey are very limited in what
they can do and say, they have aline to be able to call for
support, which is amazing.

(27:51):
We also have the educationgrant which we launched to
enable members, formerScientologists, to afford them
education opportunities thatmany of us include myself and
Mark included were denied by byby virtue of the fact that many

(28:12):
of them were born into andraised in Scientology and and
formal education was poo-pooed,to put it lightly, wouldn't you
agree, guys?

Speaker 3 (28:21):
I mean, come on, I think I finished eighth grade
and that was it.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Somebody was saying that I was a high school dropout
and I was like, take it easythere, I dropped out of middle
school folks.
I didn't even get to highschool, so don't be
misidentifying me as a highschool dropout.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I know I never saw a day of high school in my life.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, me neither.
Yeah, I managed to get my GEDtwo weeks before our oldest son
graduated, yay.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Did you do the last thing?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Okay, and then 15 people helped, assisted with
emergency housing.
So very often when someone isjust getting out mostly from the
SEA organization, but also fromstaff, and some of those people
have had children in tow aswell, and so we've enabled them
to relocate to other states,away from Scientology.
You know, anyway, there's wehave Clara, who is our social

(29:19):
media person for the AftermathFoundation.
Yay, clara, you're amazing, hasbeen posting testimonials on
our social media for theAftermath Foundation.
Yay, clara, you're amazing, hasbeen posting testimonials on
our social media for theAftermath Foundation.
So you can read specificexamples there.
Again, we keep everyoneanonymous.
We just decided that makes themost sense.
You know, the last thingsomeone getting out of
Scientology needs to worry aboutis Scientology finding out and

(29:43):
going to get them back.
So there you have it.
The funding provided to grantrecipients last year 2024, was a
40% increase from 2023.
Yay, amazing.
Grantees we helped a number ofgrantees relocate to other
states and away from Scientology.
We covered that.
Did we go the other way?

(30:03):
Oh, all of our grantees remainanonymous unless they choose to
speak out, in which casewonderful.
But that's not a conversationthat we have in the work that we
do.
We focus on helping them feelsafe, supported and providing
whatever services they need tohelp them get back on their feet
.
Stories Remember time is of theessence.

(30:24):
If you have family in the SeaOrg, we encourage you to stay in
touch with them, visit them.
We often help families navigatethese situations.
We've covered on some of thatand at the end of this
presentation we'll give a fewspecific examples.
Again, no names Testimonial.
Before I ever came into contactwith Scientology in my teenage
years, I always knew I wanted tobe a filmmaker.

(30:45):
Scientology quickly convincedme that my dreams and
aspirations were a small game,not worthwhile.
I was instead led intobelieving that joining the Sea
Org was the big and importantgame that I really should be
playing.
My dreams were crushed and Ihardly even realized it.
I joined the Sea Org and Ithought I was doing something
far more important than my ownsilly, selfish goals.
I eventually left the Sea Org,not being able to stand being

(31:11):
there any longer.
I left on their terms andfollowed their rules.
After months of gruelingsecurity checks, manual labor,
they finally released me back tomy family.
Even after leaving the SeaOrganization, I still considered
myself a Scientologist foryears.
After thinking once I got backon my own two feet.
I would eventually go back, payoff my freeloader debt and
continue my way up the bridge tototal freedom.

(31:34):
Luckily for me, before I everdecided I was ready to go back,
I found a television seriesonline called Scientology in the
Aftermath.
To say the least, the showopened up my eyes and soon after
watching every episode, Idiscovered the Aftermath
Foundation.
At the time, I was strugglingto make money.
I was pursuing my dream as afilmmaker, but struggling quite
a bit because the equipment Iwas using was all my old

(31:57):
equipment from before I joinedthe Sea Org.
It took a while, but I finallydecided to put my pride to the
side and ask the AftermathFoundation for help.
I asked for new tools for myfilmmaking career so that I
could provide a higher qualityproduct, have a faster
turnaround time, make morevideos, land more clients and
pick myself up right when Ialmost just gave up.

(32:18):
Once I worked up the nerve toask a stranger for help and
apply to the AftermathFoundation, they quickly let me
know that they were there for meSorry.
After they processed myapplication in short time, they
let me know that I was approved.
I was granted the tools that Ineeded to pursue my lifelong
dream.
My world became a littleclearer for the first time in a

(32:40):
long time.
I felt hopeful.
This is all thanks to the donors, the kindhearted people who
donated to the AftermathFoundation, and not a day goes
by that I don't think about howgrateful I am for everyone
involved in this foundation,inside and out.
Thank you a million times.
Thank you.
You're changing lives, yay.

(33:02):
And we have submitted all ofour extensive paperwork for our
third year participation in theCFC campaign.
This is the combined federalcampaign.
It's the most rigorouslyscreened workplace giving
program in the US and providesboth current federal employees

(33:24):
and retired federal employeesthe option to support our work.
Not only that, it gives theAftermath Foundation the
presentation opportunities wherewe can educate multiple
government agencies on the workthat we do.
So there you have it.
You can volunteer for theMichael J Rinder Aftermath

(33:44):
Foundation by visiting ourwebsite, and there's the link so
you can sign up to volunteer.
The link so you can sign up tovolunteer.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
We had 1,963 volunteers in 31 countries
around the world as of today.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Wow, fantastic, yes, amazing, amazing.
And here are all the links ofhow you can follow the work of
the Michael J Render AftermathFoundation on social media.
Nice, there we go.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yes, yay.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
We did it.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
We did it.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
How much do I love those testimonies you know, and
that's just one of several.
But boy, I get so emotionalabout it because I mean, that's
what it's all about Also a lotof these people.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
They don't need that much.
No, exactly the amount you needto help one person could vary
from a few hundred dollars to afew thousand dollars, and then
that amount and also someresources, like a place to stay
or the hookup, you know, justknowing who we can put them in
touch with that can help themwith the exact thing that they

(34:52):
need help with.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Sometimes that is worth more than anything, and
it's free and our careercounseling program also focuses
on identifying transferableskills, because it's not
necessarily someone who's beenin this organization for 25
years, who's been in the Corganization for 25 years.

(35:13):
You know that their lingo doesnot even translate into
something that an employer wouldnecessarily go oh you're
amazing, and yet you know most.
We can do it.
Every member of the Corganization I've ever met is a
very capable person with theirheart in the right place, and so
just having that program tohelp them identify and create a

(35:34):
usable resume that gets themhired is huge.

Speaker 5 (35:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
I mean knowing anything about the outside world
.
You know when, when you leavethe Sea Org, especially if you
started as a teenager or younger.
You don't know the basic things, like we never did a resume.
I mean I didn't even know whata resume was.
Yes, I remember writing myfirst resume.
I was like I think I'm justgoing to work for myself the

(35:59):
whole rest of my life.
What education you don't wantto know.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yes, completely.
But yeah, I did want to talkabout an example.
You know we talked in thispresentation about how time is
of the essence and, as Imentioned, we have many
successes elder abuse that goeson in the SEER organization to

(36:36):
this day.
This was an example of a person.
Again, I'm not going to mentionname, gender or location, but
this person was in their 70s andhad been diagnosed with stage
four cancer.
They were a member of the Corganization at this time.
The Aftermath Foundation workedvery hard with multiple members

(36:58):
of the family to get them to beable to visit this person and
work to get them out of the Corganization.
With stage four cancer in their70s, they were put on a
shortened schedule of 40 hoursper week and we worked with the
family over a period of threemonths and, unfortunately,

(37:19):
before our efforts to get theperson out and relocated to be
living with the family, theycollapsed and ended up in the
hospital and passed away.
And again, you know we wishthat it was always successes,
but it's important to talk aboutbecause time is of the essence

(37:39):
with these cases.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Yeah, and that is another thing that really
demonstrates how Scientology,the empathy that exists for Sea
Org members.
A person with stage four cancer, instead of having to work 120
hours a week, they only work a40 hour a week.

(38:01):
So imagine that if you only hadto work nine to five now
instead of having to work nineto midnight, and's that's that
and that person in within theSea Org I mean anybody correct
me if I'm wrong the Sea Orglooks down on that person as
being a slacker that they areleaving at dinnertime and not

(38:22):
working until the end of thenight.
Like, oh yeah, you know Billcan't be here because he's going
to go home now.
You know, and and you're justlike great, thanks, bill.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, and even in this case, the person had been
in the C organization fordecades and we were working with
the family to get them out,which, in the terminology of the
C organization, meant they werepreparing a fitness board to
find this elderly personfighting stage four cancer as

(38:52):
unfit.
I mean, that's the derogatoryapproach that Scientology takes
in these cases and it'sabsolutely disgusting and needs
to be exposed.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Yeah, look at Catherine, what was the
announcement from Debbie Cook.

Speaker 5 (39:08):
Oh, maybe we just point something out.
Back in around, I don't know,2000 or so, debbie Cook at the
time was the captain of the FlagService Organization and she
made an announcement at thestaff meeting.
Which was anybody?
Well, basically any specialschedules, reduced schedules

(39:28):
because of the person's age orthe medical situation was
canceled.
Basically, if a person couldn'tdo the full schedule then they
were going to get fitnessboarded, given a couple hundred
bucks and put out in the street.
And that was announced to thewhole crew.
And I looked around like do youguys get it?
A lot of you guys have beenhere for 30 years or more and

(39:49):
after all the work you did, ifyou can't do 120 hours a week,
you're out of here.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, they throw you away like trash when they're,
when they're, when they can'tsqueeze any more blood out of
the rock, they just throw youout like trash.
And that is another thing thatSea Org members are worried
about is, if they do get thrownout, then that's a whole nother
problem for them.
Where are they going to go?
So that is another thing.
We do sometimes help people whohave been thrown out of the

(40:18):
organization or kicked out, orthey were declared an SP out of
no, a suppressive person out ofnowhere, and sometimes we end up
having to help those peoplebecause Scientology, after years
of using and abusing them, justthrows them out like trash.
And then they still need aplace to live, they still need a
place to go, and sometimesthose people still believe in

(40:38):
Scientology and we still helpthem.
That's right and we still helpthem find a place and we give
them resources to get a job or,you know, whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
Yeah, but it takes a little.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
it takes a minute, you know once you leave, yeah,
but it takes a little, it takesa minute, you know.
Once you like, yeah, it takes aminute, you know.
But just taking that first stepout the door is so, so critical

(41:10):
and life changing, and you know.
And then they will figure itout from there on their own.
We're not here to changeanyone's mind.
We're not here to convinceanyone of anything.
We're just simply providing alanding spot to help people
start the next chapter of theirlives without feeling coerced
and trapped and anything else.
That is exactly how you feelwhen you're in Scientology.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Exactly.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
Absolutely.
I think I can give some insightabout how many people would
want to leave if they could.
I'll give you an example, backin about 1982, I was the
security chief up at theinternational base.
We had about 450 to 500 peopleon the base and Hubbard wanted
us to announce at the staffmeeting there that if anybody

(41:55):
wanted to leave, they could.
They wouldn't be interrogatedfor weeks, they wouldn't be
declared a suppressive personand separated from their
families.
It would just be like you canjust walk out the door, we'll
take your luggage into LosAngeles and drop you off.
So I'm thinking, ok, maybe it'sgoing to be like all you had to
do is step off to the side.
We're in the big dining areaand I'm thinking, oh, there's

(42:16):
going to be like three or fivepeople or something's going to
step over to the side.
Over a third of the base walkedover there For real.
For real, which to me means ifthe CEO did that right now, if
Miscavige stood up and said ifyou want to leave, you won't be
interrogated, you won't bedeclared and separated from your
families, you won't go throughall this rigmarole, you can just

(42:36):
simply walk out with you know,we'll call it.
Even You'd have over a thousandpeople would walk out of that
freaking place immediately 100%,they're being held in there
because they're trapped.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
They did a similar thing at the end.
Yeah, they did a similar thingat the end.
Yeah, they did a similar thingat the base when Marty Rathbun
was there and he was the one whowas like we.
Basically, they called it theDeadwood program Get rid of all
the Deadwood Right and so theydid the same thing.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
But they didn't really ask all of us.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Well no they didn't.
And anyway, that's what you'dcall a loaded question in that
circumstance and also they sayand this is another thing I want
to say, because matt brought upsomething.
He said you're not going to getinterrogated, you're not going
to do that.
Uh, they've said things likethat in the past and then you
say, okay, sign me up, and thenyou get interrogated, and then

(43:28):
you go, and so you're like Idon't know.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
I've seen this wait and see what yeah, you're like.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I've seen this episode.
I know the ending.
Yeah, you'll learn not toanswer no surveys.

Speaker 5 (43:38):
You know like if you could leave, would you want to
leave?
You know, we're not going to doanything to you.
We're just kind of curious,just kind of feel out the base
and anybody who answers it.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
They're toast man yeah, it's a trick question.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
But when they did do that, even with all those
factors, I think they got twobusloads of people.
I remember it was like 80people that just disappeared the
next day and so it was like wow, two busloads just drove off
the property, those guys, and wenever saw those people ever
again.
They were just gone.
Some of them did end up in LosAngeles and some of them ended

(44:11):
up on the Rehabilitation ProjectForce, but I think a majority
of those people skedaddled righton out of there.
But you don't know.
And also I think they gave them$250 and just see it wouldn't
want to be there, so it wasn'tlike I mean, that's a hard sell
if you don't have anywhere to goor you don't have relatives or

(44:32):
you don't have family orwhatever.
With 250 bucks, start your lifeover.
I know it's rough because wedid it.
It's not the easiest thing todo with no resources.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah, you know $250.
But then they use that to buymy ticket.
That's right.
So I got like $75.
And you know, after being inthe RPF Rehabilitation Project
Force for a couple of years, Ilook like a concentration camp
goon, so I used that to get myhair done before I arrived to my
family.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
The money isn't there to help you.
The money is there to make sureyou move far enough away from
the base that you're not goingto be a problem or a distraction
.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
And it's also there because you're signing documents
and if there is a cash exchangewhen documents are signed, that
gives Scientology the upperhand in.
If you come back later and say,hey, I didn't have anywhere to
go.
I didn't want to be there, butI didn't have anywhere to go, so
I just signed whatever theysaid.

(45:30):
And they said, well, no hold ona second.
You received a compensation forsigning that, so you knew there
was a deal being made and it'slike it was 250 bucks.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
And it's video.
The whole thing is videoed andwhat you're signing is like you
are a totally piece of crap,Never did anything good for you
30 years there Right.
And they helped you, despiteyou being such a pain in the ass
.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:53):
And you know that's what you're assigning to get
your little couple hundred bucksso you can catch a bus out of
town.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, yeah, completely.
Okay, awesome, and I just wantedto give a shout out to everyone
joining us today.
Thank you so very much.
It is our pleasure to be heretalking today about the
important work of the Michael JRinder Aftermath Foundation.
And again, a shout out to ourmany donors, supporters,
volunteers and everything else.
You make our work possible.

(46:19):
So, thank you.
And with that, yes, we'll dosome Q&A and we'll do some
giveaways and, yeah, we'll see.
I would like to be able to dothese quarterly and I'm thinking
you know, hey, if there'ssomething you'd like us to talk
about, I'm thinking we'll do.
Meet the board.
News and updates, new programs,all of these kinds of things

(46:43):
Awesome, that's an awesome idea.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
One of the first things I want to say is I am
seeing the chat and I'm seeingall the love guys.
Thank you, thank you, thank you.
I love you too.
It's been a minute but we'veyou know, even though we haven't
been on the YouTube scene, thatdoesn't change our dedication
and everything like that, butit's really nice to see

(47:06):
everybody too.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yes, we have lots of stuff happening in the
background.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yes, so much, and we are just so grateful to have you
, amy and Matt, on the boardhelping us do the work that we
do.
And, by the way, the billboardswas Amy's idea originally.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Billboards- billboards billboards In your
face, in your face.
Yes, completely.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
So I just wanted to acknowledge you for that
brilliant idea.
Boy, has it been an adventure.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Yes, it has, oh gosh.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
And thank you for.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Phil, who's been pioneering this thing, helping
us too.
It's fantastic, yes, andapostate Alex and Kathy and
everybody involved.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
It has been very much a team effort, such a team
effort, such a team effort, sucha team effort and hey, it just
goes to show when we worktogether we can accomplish
amazing things to exposeScientology and get people out
and give hope and all of thatgood stuff.

Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yes, agreed, 100%, okay, good.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Should we put up some questions?
Let's do it.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
I'm going to read them and you guys answer them.
Yeah, that's how we'll do it.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Perfect.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
Okay.
Okay Now, shay Jones them.
Unless it, yeah, we'll do.

Speaker 5 (48:14):
that's how we'll do it, perfect, okay now, shea
jones what if someone in the corg is badly injured and becomes
disabled?
See, you wouldn't want to beyou.
Yeah, well to be fair um.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
There was a gentleman who was he actually was the
security chief at the end basefor a little while too, and his
name was uve and uve um hewe.
He was in internationalmanagement for a while.
He got in trouble and then hewas assigned to Golden Era
Productions and then, I think,after a short stint in

(48:43):
electrical or the estatesdivision, he became the security
chief of the base and over theyears he developed MS.
And once he developed MS he wasoffloaded, which that means you
basically transferred from theinternational headquarters to
Los Angeles and he went to theRehabilitation Project Force

(49:07):
with a terminal disease and hewas in a wheelchair.
And the entire time that he wasin the wheelchair in Los
Angeles he was on therehabilitation project force,
even though he had a terminaldisease, and he had worked at
the international base for yearsand years.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
And he was married to Larisse Stuckenbrock.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yes, his name was Uwe Stuckenbrock.
He was the husband of LarisseStuckenbrock, who was the
assistant or the communicator,the secretary for David
Miscavige the leader and stillis to this day.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
She divorced Uwe the moment he became ill, and you
know that's Scient's, that's.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I mean he might have been very well have might have
been the most most privilegedand connected person to have
that happen to, and that's howthey treated him.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
And that's how they treat him.
Yeah, and did he have familyeven?
I mean, he was from Germany, sowhere, where was his family
even?

Speaker 1 (50:06):
You know well you know it's funny is that his
brother, marcus, was looking forhim for many, many years to
find out what had happened tohim.
And Marcus actually flew to theUnited States with a film team
and we did a whole program forGerman TV.
I participated in this and Italked with Marcus and I got to

(50:27):
tell Marcus stories about Uweand some of the things that
happened and some of the goodtimes that Uwe was involved in
and then.
But then Marcus was like but Iwant to know about what the
other things as well.
And it was heartbreaking tohave to tell the person's family
, like how this person wastreated when he was so ill and

(50:47):
all these other things happened.
And I want to say that theynever informed his family before
he passed away.
If I remember correctly I thinkthis all they basically were
notified after he had passed.
That's right, hey, yourbrother's gone or your son or
whatever it was.
And then his brother was likewell, what happened?
Like how could he go from wherehe was?

(51:09):
All the way to this?
Nobody did anything, yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:12):
The other person that was exactly the situation was
Engelbert Wagner.
He had multiple sclerosis, hewas on the Ent base, he was
married to Gertie Wagner andthey got a divorce and he was
scooted off into, I think, theranch at first and then maybe LA
or something like that.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
But he was from Germany, had no family Now his
wife has divorced him and he wasjust left.
Yeah, and that again.
These are examples of why weencourage everybody if you have
family in the SEED organization,reach out to them, reconnect,

(51:50):
and that will very often plantthat first seed that is
necessary to give them hope forlife outside that very isolating
world.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
Yeah, if they.
If they can at least tell theirfamily member who's in the CO
that they're always going to bethere for the person.
If they ever need help, thatthe family's there for them,
just to put that seed there.
That's enough A lot of times togive the guy enough confidence
to walk out the door and have aplace to go.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yes, absolutely, Apostate Alex in the house.
Hey guys, just on my way homefrom work.
Hope the live stream is goingwell.
So good to see Amy and Matt.
Big love to you all.
Awesome, We'll be talking withAlex very soon.
Melanie Johnson question Didyou do anything special for

(52:33):
Easter when you were inScientology?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
No, I don't even think we had ham on.

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Easter.
I literally think it was a noevent.
Not even a chocolate bunny.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
Not even one plastic Easter egg Percy, remember, not
a one, I don't actually evenremember Easter, even
registering as a day when wewere in the civilization,
unfortunately, you know, I thinkat one time we had, when we
first were at the internationalheadquarters, we lived in these

(53:08):
apartments that were in town inHemet, and we would get bused to
and from the apartments eachday.
And I remember one Sunday whenwe were leaving to get on the
bus and there were some peoplethat lived in the apartments
that weren't part of Scientologyor part of the Sea Org and
there was some kids coloringeggs or something and it was
sort of like oh yeah, I rememberthat.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Yeah, you remind me of something too.
So there were certain holidayslike July 4th is an example that
comes to mind where we would beworking the whole day but we
would be told to come in wearingcivilian clothing instead of
our uniforms.
Oh, that's right, but Easterwas not one of those days.
Easter Sunday we never weretold to wear civilian, not even

(53:53):
wear civilian clothing, whichwas a little bit of a treat for
us in the mundane repetition ofthe life of a Seargift member.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Yeah, I think even in July 4th it was like we're
going to have burgers for lunch.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Right, that's the celebration.
That's right.
Sometimes it was the galleythat did anything.
You know nothing was happeningbut the galley that did anything
.
You know nothing was happeningbut the galley.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Sometimes you would come down for a meal and there
would be, you know like flags,yeah, like a little colored
napkins they'd have.

Speaker 5 (54:22):
They'd literally have flag napkins and be like the
galley's, really going all outoh my goodness, me and and Amy
were in the Scientology prisoncamp before we left and it was
Thanksgiving and we had 20minute meals where we got to eat
the leftover food from thestaff and I gave them an extra
10 minutes to eat.

(54:42):
I was like the person in theRPF that was kind of running it.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
He was running it.

Speaker 5 (54:47):
Internally I got in so much trouble for giving that
extra 10 minutes, giving them 30minutes to eat instead of 20
minutes.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
On Thanksgiving.
Let me guess I told you youwere worker oriented.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Oh yeah, Big time.
What the heck was I thinking?

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Oh, my goodness, let's keep going.
We got to burn through somequestions here and then we'll do
our giveaways, love it.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Question how hard is it for people coming out
escaping Scientology to shakeoff Scientology lingo?
Yeah, that's a great question.
It's something that once you assomeone coming out and again,
it really depends.
I think it can be acceleratedby getting far away from
Scientology, but it is somethingyou have to work on because you

(55:30):
don't necessarily.
It's like peeling layers of anonion learning to unspeak the
language of Scientology,especially depending, like in my
case.
I started learning thatScientology language when I was
four years old, so it can bequite the process.
But once you set your mind toit any person coming out it kind
of accelerates very quickly.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
I just want to say one thing about that.
I mean it is hard, especiallywhen you're married to somebody
else who knows the lingo too,and it just kind of like happens
.
But like yesterday I toldsomebody you know that I was
going to get something donebefore I secure.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Secure isn't said in the real world the way we used
to say it yeah, secure is whenyou go to bed for the night,
when you wrap everything andsecure and it's meant I think
it's borrowed from the ship dayswhen you would secure
everything because you're goingto be rocking around and you
don't want the stuff to get, youknow know, fall over.

(56:29):
So you secure everything beforeyou go to bed.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
But I think this one's for Matt and Amy.
Question from KB.
Understand you've been devotedto important things, but can we
look forward to a few more cameoappearances in 2025?
Love you dear, yes absolutely,absolutely.

Speaker 3 (56:46):
We have some good things.
We have some good things in theworks.
Plus, you know, claire, I'mmissing our all things.
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
I know, I know, I know that was so much fun and it
was like weekly I would get tojust have fun with you, yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:02):
Yeah, we'll probably do that again.
We'll probably do that again.
I was going to talk to you thisweek about that.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited, yes, about that.
Oh my gosh, I'm so excited, yes, and you know he's got a book
and we're trying to get thatcompleted.
And of course, we had othermatters this past year that you
know been taken care of, butwe're keeping the flag flying.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So amazing, amazing.
That is awesome news.
Ashley Campsy question Wasthere any holidays you
celebrated in Scientology?

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I mean we kind of Christmas a little bit, but not
as a thing.
We would just do like you know,pick a name out of a hat and
then give that person, like youknow, some candy.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
That's right, you would do like a gift exchange.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Yeah, a gift exchange , like keep it under 20 bucks or
something.
It was only for one person.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
A few years yeah, kk kris kringle, that's what we
would do.
It, yeah, but at the base therewas a few years it wasn't all
of the years, but there were afew years early on where we'd
get our christmas bonus and ifwe were doing well, it might be
as much as a hundred dollars andwe'd get our Christmas bonus,

(58:12):
and it would be the week beforeChristmas when you'd get your
Christmas bonus.
Sometimes, sometimes, sometimes, it would be three days before
You'd get your Christmas bonusand then you were supposed to go
out and if you had familymembers that you wanted to send
gifts to, you'd have to go.
They would take a bus and you'dgo to this place.
It was called Cabazon.
Was that the place?

Speaker 2 (58:33):
Yes, cabazon.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Cabazon.
It's like an outlet mall that'soff the 10.
I think it's off the 10 freewayin like in the desert near
where the Scientology and basewas.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
And I never drove there, so I have no idea what
city it was in.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
No, it was, it was, it was in it.
It was right near an Indianreservation that had a casino
and hotel and a whole bunch ofstuff.
But it was so funny becauseyou'd get $100 and you'd think
like I'm going to get so manygoodies.
And then you'd just walk intoone place like J Crew or one
place, and you'd be like, oh, Ilike this sweater and it's like
that sweater's $140 million, andyou're just like what.

(59:09):
And so you would, because younever, you're not out buying
stuff at a mall.
You don't know how much anythingcosts when you do go out.
I think I'm getting cards formy family.
I think I'm getting marriedChristmas cards for the people
that I'm going to send somethingto.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Also, when you get your bonus, the hand is out for
you to give it back so that theycan get gifts for Miscavige.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
Oh, that's right.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
I was in Treasury, we had to give the staff pay them
in cash, because people don'thave bank accounts and all that
kind of stuff right.
So it's all cash and as theyreceive the envelope with the
cash, there's a person therewith the crew list and you got
to give your half of it backover to go to Miscavige as a
gift for Christmas and your namegets scratched up.

(59:58):
You're not going to miss it.
He's going to pick up 3,000 SeaOrg members times $30, which is
like $9,000 is going to go overto David Miscavige to go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
And they're going to buy him a scuba diving camera or
a motorcycle, a motorcycle, aheart for his motorcycle.
Not a motorcycle, just a heart.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Or a special leather jacket and all kinds of stupid
stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Yeah, like he needs all of those things more than I
need the honey blocks or walkingaround with holes in our elbows
and knees.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Cardboard in the bottom of our shoes, so the
water's not coming up to thebottom of your shoe.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
We're eating must-go stew.
That's all the stuff in thegalley that must go Must-go stew
.
Okay we've got another one here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
All right, Scientology Up North.
Comment Just had conversationwith someone who was in EPF,
together with someone who hadDown syndrome.
I cannot believe the crueltythese people have gone through.
I know 100%.
It's absolutely devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Yeah, they're not, they don't really.
Yeah, that's not even a thingthere.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Dr X in the house.
So if now they say that familyis important, will they allow
kids to spend time with theirparents during holidays?

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
No, Now if you don't work at the same place as your
family, then the likelihood thatyou're going to see them is
almost 0% chance, especially ifyou work in LA and they work in
Florida.
You're 100% chance, especiallyif you work in LA and they work
in Florida.
You're 100%.
Not Even if you work at thebase and they work in Los
Angeles.
It's also a very good chance.

(01:01:40):
You're not going to be able,even though it's only two hours
away, unless you can sneak offduring that two hours.
You're supposed to do yourlaundry in the morning.
If you can go the nightsometimes.
What people would do and thiswas a very real thing for many
years and then they outlawed itPeople would go when they got
off work at midnight on Saturday.
They would.
If they had a car, or if theyhad somebody who had was going

(01:02:03):
and that person had a car, youcould maybe hitch a ride with
them.
So if you both left at midnight, you get in their car to go
home, but instead of going homeyou would drive to Los Angeles
and then that person would gosee their spouse or go see their
kids or whatever.
You get to see your kids frommidnight until morning.
And then first thing in themorning you'd have to drive back

(01:02:26):
to the property, so you wouldbasically be seeing them or
visiting with them during yoursleep time, and that was how it
was sort of justified or allowedfor many, many years.
But then what ended uphappening is sometimes people
would go see their family andthen they'd never, ever come

(01:02:46):
back, and so it got outlawed,and then you couldn't even go to
LA to see your kids or yourwife or your husband or whatever
.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Yeah, my example, Sorry, my example of that was
when I was six years old.
My mother was in the Corganization.
She was a single mom and abouta month before Christmas she got
was told oh, you're going to goto Europe on a project to
recruit new people and yeah,you're going to be gone for
about three months and that wasthat.

(01:03:14):
So I was given to anotherfamily.
I didn't even know, and my momcried about it.
She's like I'm so sorry.
I tried to query it.
They disapproved it.
Bummer, I can't spend Christmaswith you.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
And how old were you then?
Six, she was six.
It's like here this is johnnyand molly.
This is going to be your familyfor christmas and you know
what's funny?

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
the sad part is that I have it frozen in time.
They said here's your family,and I walked in and the dad uh,
he had all fake teeth and so hisdentures were removed.
So he was about the scariestlooking human I'd ever run into
at six years old and I was justlike wait, wait, what is
happening?

Speaker 3 (01:03:53):
Oh, that's terrible.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Neshea had another question Holes in your clothes.
Do you have time to mend them?
Are you expected to do so?
In the Sea Org for a long timewe wore polyester blend shirts
long sleeve, even though we werein the desert and it was 110
degrees out With ties.
We're in long sleeve shirts,which that also became a public
relations flap after a while,because people would be like I

(01:04:17):
get everything you guys aredoing, I get everything at this.
Why are you making these peoplewear poly polyester long sleeve
shirts desert black in colorwith wool pants, in leather
shoes, in the desert, at 120degrees, anyway.
but we have people would if youwear a shirt every day, if you

(01:04:38):
wear a shirt every single dayfor a year, 120 hours a week.
Some people only had one shirt,some people had two shirts.
If you were lucky, you hadthree shirts.
If you weren't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:47):
Hardly anybody had three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
All out baller.
You had three shirts, mostpeople had had one or two, but
what you'd get is you get thiswould just be permanently
stained this area right here,and you would blow out the
elbows in your shirt, just fromjust it's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
it's impossible because no shirt is built, even
to to be worn.
What 120 hours a week everysingle week.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
And also this is another thing which I don't know
it's a false economy.
I think the more you wash ashirt, the more wet worn it gets
so because you're wearing itand stinking it all up.
You got to wash it at leastthree or four times a week so
that this thing's you're justnot chasing people out of the
room when you show up, you know.
But yeah, there was a lot.

(01:05:32):
I bet you, if you did a survey,if you put, made all CR numbers
go like this, blown out.
Just all the elbows are blownout.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
And then I mean we could do a whole thing on this
but hold on.
So when you wash them, you haveto like hand wash them, you
know.
And then you dry them byironing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
With your iron.
Yes, super dry.
That's.
The only way you can get driedin time is to iron them dry.

Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
And you had to have your uniform.
Yeah, go ahead, don't worry,you had to have your uniform.

Speaker 5 (01:06:03):
You have different colors at that time, like each
division had a different color.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
And what would happen is you'd be down to like one
shirt and when you want to doyour laundry, you know they have
all the machines lined up whichyou're paying the church to use
their machines.
You know, give them back themoh yeah not free laundry no,
it's not free.
I mean, they're giving you 10bucks and they're taking back
five to do your laundry and theother five they're getting in
the canteen.

(01:06:28):
That's right that's right, butthe deal is people wouldn't be
afraid to leave their laundrylike like you couldn't put it in
the machine, then go offsomeplace.
Think you could come back in 30minutes your shirt would be
gone.
Your shirt would be gone.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
So you have to stand there and watch to make sure
your stuff didn't get stolen yes, because people are so
desperate to get another shirtyeah, and even if they didn't
get stolen, it would 100% be onthe floor or in a pile Like
somebody else is like oh, thisperson's laundry's done and they
didn't take it out.
There you go, it's out, now mystuff's going in.

(01:07:02):
Oh my goodness.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Completely.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, should we do a giveaway here?

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yes, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:08):
Okay, let's see if I've got this worked out.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Look at that we have 147 entries.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
Okay, Awesome, I'm going to hit the button.
Here we go.
This is we do this, guys, Mattand Amy.
A few weeks ago I won because Icommented.
You got a comment to get in thevideo and I won.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
It was up you know I saw Bruce Hines.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Wow Barbara.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Bornhold.
Congratulations, barbara.
Thank you for joining us todayfor this hour full of fun,
filled news and activity.
Please send me an email withwhatever you would like from the
SP shop dot com and I will sendyou a giveaway link.
So congratulations.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
Nice, are you guys cool to hang out a little bit
more?
I know it's over an hour, butwe like to.
Sometimes people are.
People are here watching Rightnow.
We have 500 people betweenTwitter and Blown for Good and
the Aftermath page andeverything we got about.
A little over 500 peoplewatching us live here.
So we figured we'd keep going.

Speaker 2 (01:08:10):
Yeah, we'll do.
And then a giveaway yes, goahead.

Speaker 5 (01:08:14):
You know, to get the leather shoes would be like 125
bucks.
So the organization's not goingto pay 125 bucks to give you a
pair of shoes and what you wouldget is a plastic shoes from
Payless.
And now you're in them inFlorida, you know, 20 hours a
day.
I'm telling you, people gotstuff grown on their feet.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
You know I will say this that in the, in the uniform
series and when you're learningto be a Sea Org member, one
thing that they tell you andyou've got to pay attention, is
they want you to wear flip flopsor some kind of sandals when
you go into the showers, becausethe showers in Los Angeles it's
group.
You go into the showers becausethe showers in the in los
angeles it's group.
It's like a room with 20showers in it and there's people

(01:08:56):
lined up.
It's like a.
It's like, um, if you've everseen one of those places where
they process chickens, it's likethat, but with people taking
showers and there's people linedup going in and out of these
showers.
And when you see some of yourfellow Sea Org members' funky
feet, you're going to get towearing sandals all the time.
That's awful you don't want toget any of that on your feet.

(01:09:18):
So, yeah, we could do an entireepisode on just uniforms and it
could be a series.
It could be 10 videos.
We would be able to tell somany insane stories.
It could be 10 videos we wouldbe able to tell so many insane
stories.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
I mean, matt went to Columbia to get all those you
know canary yellow, pink andpurple and green, and you know
lime green.
Like all those uniforms for theFlag Service Organization.
You know, and they apologized.

Speaker 5 (01:09:47):
Yeah, I was supposed to like check them out before
the money gets released.
You know, yeah, the guy rightaway was apologizing.
He said, just so you know, thisis what they wanted.
I mean, he didn't even show methe clothes.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
Yet, oh my God, they asked for this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
We're not playing a joke on you.
Awesome, oh goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Okay, here we go.
This is a good one.
I don't know how much exactlywe can say, but go ahead and
read it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Okay, one love 51,000 question how much does it cost
to keep the billboards up?
I know it's expensive, so niceto see everyone together.
Yeah, so basically it varies,because the first month they
gave us we did 10 billboards andthey give us 10 free, but
ballpark is around $2,000 to$3,000 a month.

(01:10:35):
Really is what we're talkingabout.
So yeah, it's not nothing,they're giving us a really good
price as a nonprofit, and it isnot nothing.
It's a significant investmentto give a message of hope to the
members of the Sea Organizationwho don't have access to the
Internet and everything else.

(01:10:55):
So it's essentially acalculated effort on the part of
the foundation to get thatmessage out there and get it to
where to the people that need tosee it the most.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
This is a great one.
This is another one.
I love highlighting this anychance I get.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
Okay, love Maddie.
Plastic shoes from Payless,while David Miscavige has all
his clothes tailored and shoesprobably no, definitely made and
brought and bought in fromItaly.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Yeah, yeah, no he 100% was having his clothes
tailored, produced and made inItaly.
Correct.
That's not a, this is a realthing, Correct.
And with one of his pairs ofshoes you could probably buy a
hundred Sea Org members actualquality shoes for the price that

(01:11:46):
he's just getting one pair andhe's not paying for his If you
were.
That is another point, Matt, Imean.
Correct me if I'm wrong, butusually when you sign up and you
become a Sea Org member, you'rebasically told the Sea Org
member is going to give youclothes.
That's like a deal you makewe're going to give you food,
we're going to give you a placeto sleep and we're going to give

(01:12:07):
you uniforms.
If you need anything medically,we're going to take care of all
that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:11):
In reality.

Speaker 1 (01:12:13):
they give you a shirt .
They give you maybe a pair ofpants, not some socks.
They will give you a pair ofshoes, and sometimes you don't
get new shoes.
If somebody blew last week andthey left their shoes, you'll
get their shoes.

Speaker 5 (01:12:26):
If you're the same size, you're not going to get
new shirts and pants either whenyou come in.
That's right.
You don't have to get newshirts and pants either when you
come in, that's right, you canget whatever can be rounded up.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
I won't.
I'm not embarrassed to say this, but I did wear.
There was an executive at thebase.
His name was Guillaume Lassevand Guillaume got all new
uniforms because he was theexecutive director international
.
Okay, well, guillaume and Iwere the exact same size and his

(01:12:56):
pants were nice.
They were almost like.
They were almost silk.
I don't remember what kind ofmaterial, I just remember they
were the softest.
They weren't that really thatworn, they weren't that beat up.
I wore the shit out of thosepants.
You know, I had those pants.
That was what might have beenthe best pair of pants I had in
the sea, or it was ahand-me-down from Executive

(01:13:16):
Director International.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
I can tell you the average like amount of money per
week to go to staff uniforms atthe FSO, the Flag Service
Organization, which brings inlike $2 million a week On an
average over a year.
I figured it out we had $500for uniforms for 1,000 staff A
year, no a week $500 a week overa year.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
For all of them.
All of them, not each.
It was 500 split amongst allthose people.

Speaker 5 (01:13:47):
Yes, it's like almost no money.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
That math ain't math and folks.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
No, it is not.
May as well, wear paper bags atthat point.

Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
Oh, my goodness, I love people are commenting from
watching the video, from.
They're not all watching itwith us.
Some people were watching fromthe beginning and catching up.
Somebody said there's Jennifer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I'm going to cry Mike , right at Starbucks.
Awesome.
Yes, we were crying the entiretime watching that video.
We will absolutely put it up onthe Aftermath Foundation channel
.
Again, thank you to MichelleAdair, our board member, and her
wife, rachel Hastings Adair,for putting that together.
Awesome job, rtv.
Thanks for all you do.
So good to see the gangtogether again.

(01:14:34):
Yes, thank you everybody forjoining us Such an awesome day
today.
Thanks, clara, for therecommendation that we do this
today.
You know we've been doing livesevery Sunday, but of course,
tomorrow is Easter Sunday, so wewish everyone a happy Easter.
Casey is Easter Sunday, so wewish everyone a happy Easter
Casey.
Hey, you guys, great to see you.

(01:14:57):
Thanks for joining us.
She did it again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:59):
She said Casey.
I said Cassie.
I don't know if we were doingthis when you guys were on with
us but we've been pronouncingCasey and Cassie differently for
every single video.

Speaker 2 (01:15:10):
You are the one who started the Casey thing, like
two years ago, so just sayingshe makes, she gives you a clue
there, Mark.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
Oh, I know 100%.
I said it right, she said itwrong.

Speaker 2 (01:15:27):
Jack Shaw 809.
Love Matt's stories?
Yes, we always love.

Speaker 1 (01:15:31):
You know, matt and I work together outside of the
Scientology nonsense andwhenever Matt gets into telling
stories, I just always am likewe've got to get Matt back on
there telling some of thesestories.
Yes, he has.
I don't think he could.
I literally think, matt, youcould.
We were saying this the othernight.
We were there for decades inthis place and there wasn't a

(01:15:56):
lot of downtime where nonsensewasn't happening.
It's nonstop nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:16:03):
And then you have to double the amount of years to
factor in the length of hours wewere working Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yeah, it's not just a normal day so like at least
double it Right.
Yeah, it's not just a normalday so like at least a double
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
So there could have been five crazy things that
happened every single day, andyou don't even think about them
until you start talking withsomebody like Matt, or with Amy
or me.
It triggers, that's right.
And then you remember like, ohyeah, what about that one time
that dude did body ball?
And you're like, oh, I totallyforgot about that because it was
just a Tuesday.
It wasn't anything special whenit happened.
Okay.
Let's do a few more questions,and then should we do one more

(01:16:42):
giveaway.

Speaker 2 (01:16:42):
Yes, we should.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
We're over a thousand bucks on the fundraiser and
also replays and when peoplewatch it we'll get more.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So and by the way I did also want to mention so the
YouTube fundraiser feature makesit so that you can enable any
YouTube channel to collaboratewith a fundraiser to support the
cause.
So for any YouTube channels outthere who would like to support
this billboard campaign, youare able to do so.
We're going to leave this up.
You can just point to this inYouTube Studio to support this

(01:17:12):
billboard campaign.
You are able to do so.
We're going to leave this up.
You can just point to this inYouTube Studio to support the
billboards and boom.
There you go.
We would love any and allsupport we can get to keep this
program going.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
Yes, okay, I don't know what to go.

Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
Shakedology, snake oh , snake.
Sorry, is the Orange Countylocation a spot for Sea Org?
Would they be shuttled to LosAngeles or do they stay around
Santa Ana?
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
I don't have any current intel on Orange County.
When we were there it was notSea Org members.
They did have some Sea Orgmembers kind of stationed there
to keep an eye on things.
Because Orange Countynotoriously over over the years
there's been a lot of nonsensethat's gone on in orange county.
There was a period of time, Imean, they were trendsetters,

(01:17:57):
they were stealing money oncredit cards before anybody was
stealing money on credit cardsright, maybe not before hamburg
no, no, no, orange countyno no, no, they 100.
It was in the 80s when they didand they were the best they, oh
they.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
They wasn't Orange County that triggered the whole,
or they were featured in theTime magazine article.

Speaker 1 (01:18:17):
I'm pretty sure it was yeah.
And I think also they might havebeen part of when Amex,
american Express, the creditcard American Express, yes
Banned all of Scientology fromhaving to from from processing
American Express because theywere they were just overcharging
.
They do in Scientology they havea thing that's called crush

(01:18:38):
reging and it, the registrar, isthe person who gets money from
Scientologists for theorganization, for counseling or
courses or whatever it is, andthey would tell the person you
have to pay for your entirebridge all the way up before you
leave today, and that could be$100,000 more, it could be
$200,000.

(01:18:58):
And they would just beat thatperson up.
This person has $8,000 total intheir bank account and before
that person leaves they'd get$50,000 out of them.
The person would buckle and sayI can't give you $200,000, but
I could give you $50,000.
And 42 of it would be on creditcards and the rest would be
their entire bank account, andthen that person would default
and then they wouldn't.
Then they get in trouble andthey would do 30 people like

(01:19:26):
that a week and so that caughtup to them.
And then also this makesdisgruntled Scientologists when
they can't pay their own billsbecause they gave it all to
these guys, and then they findout, these guys are just giving
it all to David Miscavige forhis Italian shoes and it's like
wow.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
Which, by the way you reminded me, in 2024, there
were numerous civilianScientologists that the
Aftermath Foundation helped withwho had been cross-reged for
credit card charges and weworked with them to get those
charges reversed, reported thoseto multiple law enforcement

(01:19:57):
agencies as credit card fraudand we were keeping a tally and
it was in excess of $100,000that we helped people get
reversed in 2024.
So just another example of thework the Michael J Rinder
Aftermath Foundation does.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Yeah, and I also want to.
This is a perfect comment toput that up, because Rachel says
how many credits this is inrelation to the testimony, the
testimonial that you read.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
How many credit cards were taken out in his name once
he got that diagnosis?

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Or the guy that you were talking about that passed
away oh yes.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
Yes, no, absolutely.
It was in excess of $30,000.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
That they really did.

Speaker 2 (01:20:35):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
Yeah, so this person that was in the Sea Org that was
diagnosed they had taken outcredit cards, and now I don't
know that.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Rachel Including the one we knew about from
Rosemary's case.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
That was like 80-.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
Navy Federal Credit Union.

Speaker 1 (01:20:51):
But how much was that ?

Speaker 2 (01:20:52):
it was a lot it was no.
The total and in rosemary'scase I believe was ballpark 200
000 yeah, so another person whenthe the?

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
this is a real thing.
So when they the the peoplethat are elderly in the seawork,
they know that they're going topass away.
So racking up all these creditcards is a no brainer for the
sea org.
It's a victimless crime forthem because the person's going
to pass away and there's nothingthey can do with that debt
because the person's gone andthey were in the sea org, they

(01:21:24):
don't have any of the family oranything, so they just
Scientology can just take allthat money free.
So this is a very, very commonoccurrence where they they get
the person to open as manycredit cards as they possibly
can, max them all out, give allthe money to Scientology, then
the person passes away and thenScientology walks away with all

(01:21:47):
that credit card fraud in theRosemary's case, they did this
because of course, she's goingto pass away.
She didn't.
She got they told her to theytold her you need to pass away
and they have a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
They said drop your body.

Speaker 1 (01:22:01):
That's what it is, but she didn't she reached out
we ended up getting a hold ofher, and she's still alive to
this day.
This happened years and yearsago.

Speaker 2 (01:22:08):
She just texted me last week she was she was like I
saw your live about thebillboards.
Yay, I'm like yay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
So if you think about that for a second, not only did
they condemn her that, oh,she's a write-off, let's just
rack up $200K worth of creditcard debt.
She then does not pass away,she gets out.
And when they found out that weknew about the credit cards, oh,
they started writing somechecks and that's another thing,
even if you don't like us andyou don't care about us and

(01:22:40):
you're like, oh, those guys arenot really helping.
If you were in Scientology andyou got some credit card debt,
as soon as you mention us, theystart writing you checks Because
they don't want us to getinvolved with knowing about the
crimes.
So they try to erase.

Speaker 2 (01:22:56):
And this is the Because they know we have many
law enforcement agencies onspeed dial and put them on the
regular.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
And the people who are doing it should be in jail
Like you know, let's see somepeople go to jail.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
It's the craziest thing that they're doing this to
elderly people.

Speaker 2 (01:23:12):
It's so wild.
Oh and, by the way, so foranyone watching, if you weren't
aware, we put out a newsletterjam-packed full of detailed
information.
It is also available on thewebsite on the
aftermathfoundationorg, andthere you can also sign up for
notifications to receive those.
But my point being that we alsoset up a platform on the

(01:23:35):
website to enable any current orformer Scientologists to submit
information of crimes thatScientology has perpetrated,
completely anonymously, so thatwe can connect them with law
enforcement agencies at theirrequest and as necessary.
But it enables, like you don'teven have to have an email

(01:23:56):
address to be able to reportcrimes there.
Okay, as an Everett, I can'tbelieve some of these stories.
It's just mind-boggling.
Yes, absolutely, and this iswhy we continue to do the work
that we do and volunteer for thefoundation to get people out of
there.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Absolutely Okay, should we do another giveaway?

Speaker 2 (01:24:17):
And then we'll wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:24:18):
Okay, let's go back to.
We got Barbara.
She was the winner.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
We're going to draw again.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
We've got it's got another 169 people it's going to
draw from.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
Nice.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Here we go, draw again.
Hey, I hit the button up there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:24:31):
Okay, here we go, folks, here we go.
Ooh, rachel, almost got seeanybody who comments.
Is what RTV?

Speaker 2 (01:24:41):
Congratulations.
Look at that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:43):
He just made a comment too.
I want to see it now.
I'm going to put it up now thatwe read one of our TV's
comments yes, we did.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
Congratulations our TV.
Send me an email, claire, atblown for goodcom, with a link
to what you would like and wewill get that taken care of.
And thank you again so much toeverybody who joined us.
We, if you enjoyed our contenthere today in support of the
Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation, feel free to drop in
the comments what you'd like usto cover in future fundraisers.

(01:25:15):
Again, we'll do we'll.
We'll get to planning more ofthese in the future with more
special guests.
Thank you so much, amy and Matt, for joining us.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
Anytime, anytime.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Watch this, go like this, Look see, look at, I have
magic.
I can make her turn like twiceto claire in order to because we
have, because we have itdoesn't work.
Now I'll hook you up, I'll showyou how to do it.
Because we have multiple peopleand the way our studio is, I

(01:25:51):
had to set up Claire with herown feed and everything so that
she could be in this, and it wasa lot of work because this is
our normal camera and we bothare on, and then we have singles
and so now that Claire has herown camera, she can be me or she
can be her.

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
Where is?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
that what.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
It's in our basement, in our basement.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Yeah, yeah, here, this is what it looks like here.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Let's see, that's what it looks like oh fantastic,
yeah, job on getting that setup, wow it's.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
It is pretty cool.
Even you know what's funny?
My, our kids don't really careabout any of this stuff.
They're just like whatever youguys are going to do a live,
okay, fine.
But when they have friends over, they bring their friends and
like check this out oh yeah,they're like.
They're like what, do yourparents have a youtube studio?
I bet the other day when I camein here and there was a bunch

(01:26:43):
of kids in here, I was likewhat's going on and my kid, my
son, was like you're showingthem your studio?

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
We're like okay.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Anyway, another thing we do is when we do the end
outro, when it's like, you know,do this and do that and all
this other stuff, we put upeverybody's comments over me
yapping at the end, but yeah,For future.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
We'll do a dedicated aftermath intro and outro for
these in the future.
Again, we're just, we were justkind of figuring this out and,
you know, taking advantage of it, and it makes so much more
sense to do it this way insupport of the foundation and
keeping it separate frompersonal YouTube channel.
So, yay, fantastic.

Speaker 1 (01:27:27):
Yes, absolutely.
Thank you for joining us, Mattand Amy.
It's it's, it's, even thoughthere's only two of you.
It's at least four times thefun when you go okay, we love
you.

Speaker 3 (01:27:41):
Guys, love you so much awesome thanks for joining
us, everybody until next timeokay, bye-bye thanks for
watching.

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
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You can also pick up a copy ofmy book Blown for Good Behind

(01:28:12):
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There's also a link to ourpodcast and you can get that on
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