The Miscavige Dynasty: Family Control and Scientology's Top Man - Scientology Secrets #14 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_04 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
Um, I've got my lovely wifeClaire here today.

SPEAKER_00 (00:22):
Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_04 (00:23):
And um, yeah, we did um this last, was it this last
week?
This last week, the interviewthat we did on the Mormon
Stories podcast uh came out.
I want to say it's like 11 hoursworth of interviews between the
two of part one and part two.

SPEAKER_00 (00:42):
Part one and part two, yes.
It was absolutely the longesthaul of interviews we've done in
a really long time.
Um, so yes, part one wasreleased on Monday, and part two
was released on Thursday.
So if you have not seen that,get on over to Mormon Stories
Podcast for a headly deep dive.

SPEAKER_04 (01:03):
Yeah, we did.
I mean, we probably we talkedabout a bunch of stuff when we
were there when we worked at theinternational headquarters, and
then we talked about how we gotout, and then some stuff that
happened afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (01:16):
So, yes, good stuff.
Um, today, oh, I I lost myslide.
We had uh we had some weirdtechnical fun uh right before we
started.

SPEAKER_00 (01:28):
BT's in the house.

SPEAKER_04 (01:30):
Sears BTs in these in this house.
Um, but we were we were able toconquer them.
But um one of the things Iwanted to show you guys was I
got this photo off the internet.
I don't know.
Oh, where'd it go?
Um, I don't know if that is anactual proper representation of
David Miscavige.
Somebody might have shooped it alittle.

SPEAKER_00 (01:52):
Possibly.

SPEAKER_04 (01:53):
Possibly, and um, or sent it to me like that.
I don't know.
I have a library of one, so Ijust grabbed a David Miscavige
little thumbnail, and his hairit does it does look enhanced to
me.
I'm not gonna say that that's100%.

SPEAKER_00 (02:07):
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, you know, playingdevil's advocate, I've never
seen someone who's just gottenhair plugs.
Maybe that's what it looks likefresh out of the It's true.

SPEAKER_04 (02:17):
You know, I don't know about I'm not I don't know
about hair plugs.
Do you know about hair plugs?

SPEAKER_00 (02:21):
I don't.

SPEAKER_04 (02:22):
I didn't never I never heard anything about hair
plugs.
It could be that he had them.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 (02:27):
Oh yeah.
I think definitely in lateryears.

SPEAKER_04 (02:29):
He did.

SPEAKER_00 (02:30):
I that's what I think just looking at unless
every single photo isphotoshopped.

SPEAKER_04 (02:36):
Well, also I don't have a problem with hair plugs.
If you want to look like youhave hair, then make it look
like you have hair.
People to wear makeup.
It's like makeup for dudes, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (02:45):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (02:46):
Whatever.
He can do what he wants.

SPEAKER_00 (02:47):
Whatever you want to do, we do you.

SPEAKER_04 (02:51):
We uh we've we've already got our people in here.
We know we do normally do alittle readout.
I'm sorry we had to do the thehair recap instead, but um we
can still do a shout-out topeople join us.
Okay, you read them and I'll jamthem up, okay?

SPEAKER_00 (03:04):
Okay, all right, see this.
Okay, Bella watching from Harl,Harlan, Kentucky.
Hi from the Netherlands, AnitaXenuite, Austin, Texas.
Nice.
Um greetings from Mesa, Arizona.
So glad to make this live.
Thanks for being here.
Hi from Germany.

(03:25):
Hello, Netherlands and Germany.
Uh oh, hello from NorthernCalifornia.
Karen, no one, Los Angeles here.
Awesome.
Good to see you.

SPEAKER_04 (03:36):
That's uh what's her name?

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What's what it's no one?

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Yeah, it's uh it's that's from Game of Thrones.

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Okay.

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That's the little girl.

SPEAKER_00 (03:45):
That's the Aria.

SPEAKER_04 (03:48):
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
She's the White Walker uh KingSlayer.

SPEAKER_00 (03:52):
She's the best.
Aria's the bomb.
Melanie, hi from West Virginia.
Carla, hi from England.

SPEAKER_04 (03:59):
Oh, we do have a ton of people here today.

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Tatum, hi from Arizona.
Uh JDR, hello from Florida.
Apostate Alex in the house,director of suppressive persons
affairs.
In and over association.

SPEAKER_04 (04:14):
We don't know what SP stands for in his country.

SPEAKER_00 (04:16):
I know what it stands for.
It's all about context.
Wild Family, hi from Hemett,California.
Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 (04:24):
Right next to the beast.

SPEAKER_00 (04:26):
Yes, apostate Alex, Linda.
I did too.
Oh, that's talking about theMormon Stories podcast.
Oh, there you go.
Yeah.
Uh blown for good, ScientologyExposed.
I listened to all 11 hours ofthe Mormon podcast.

SPEAKER_04 (04:39):
Holy moly.

SPEAKER_00 (04:40):
Should get a badge or something.
You should.
My goodness.

SPEAKER_04 (04:44):
We go to campaign bars.

SPEAKER_00 (04:46):
Oh my gosh, that was exhausting.
It took us like what, like fouror five days once we got home.
Yeah, I have to do the samething.

SPEAKER_04 (04:52):
Shut your phone off, woman.

SPEAKER_00 (04:55):
Uh we got we got home from that on Thursday
night, actually September 11th.
Um, and it took us like three,four days just to recover from
we really did.

SPEAKER_04 (05:07):
Yeah, that was a lot.
It was a lot.
Yeah, it was because we weretrap.
We had to travel and then wewere there for two days.
Then we had to catch up on workand yeah, then we had to do all
the things we would have done ifwe weren't doing that when those
two days happened.

SPEAKER_00 (05:21):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (05:21):
Um, okay.
I think we're good to go.
I think we got we have a fewmore Netherlands just because
there's so many.

SPEAKER_00 (05:26):
Menon, hello from the Netherlands.
Awesome.
Yes.
Um watching from Harlan,Kentucky.
Nice.
Gretchen Philly, Angel Cat,greetings from Cameron, North
Carolina.
Awesome.
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Vicky from Clearwater.

SPEAKER_04 (05:43):
Okay, good.
And then one last one from theuh Cher.

SPEAKER_00 (05:46):
Good evening from the Netherlands.

SPEAKER_04 (05:49):
And then, of course, Trevenon.

SPEAKER_00 (05:50):
Trevenon, yes.
Thank you, Trevenon, for beinghere.
Oh, Trein.
Billy Bob 123 reporting forMustard from the Netherlands.

SPEAKER_04 (05:59):
Yeah, Trevenon was very instrumental in making some
of that Mormon story stuffhappen.
Yes.
We did not know that he um He'sa mod for their channel.
Yeah.
Yes, no, that was awesome.
I found that out afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 (06:10):
Yeah, I was in the chat most of the time for both
episodes.

SPEAKER_04 (06:13):
So I was too, for at least one of them, I think I
was.
Yeah.
A little bit for the other one.

SPEAKER_00 (06:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (06:19):
Um, okay, folks, let's get to the business at
hand.

SPEAKER_02 (06:23):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (06:24):
Um, so we thought that it would be a great idea to
do another episode of DavidMiscavige Stories.
We had such a good reception touh the video we did, the last
video we did of David MiscavigeStories.
And actually, the other um oneof the other episodes that we
did about David Miscavige andTom Cruise stories, I think it's
one of the most watched episodeson the channel.

(06:45):
So I should have gone back tothat well before.

SPEAKER_00 (06:48):
The top dog, the captain of the sea organization.

SPEAKER_04 (06:51):
Yeah, the fact that he hangs out with Mr.
Risky Business doesn't hurteither.
That people are like, What's upwith this dude?
He's hanging out with, you know,the super runner.

SPEAKER_00 (06:59):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (07:00):
And uh the movie runner.

SPEAKER_00 (07:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (07:03):
Um, so would you want to go first?
You tell me um you well, I mean,that we can pick anything from
any.

SPEAKER_00 (07:09):
Yeah, no, I had a good idea while while you were
fixing our technicaldifficulties.
I thought it would be good totalk about David Miscavige's
relationship with his familymembers in the C organization,
namely starting with his father,Ron Miscavige.

SPEAKER_04 (07:25):
That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_00 (07:26):
Yeah, that's what I thought.

SPEAKER_04 (07:28):
So Ron Miscavige was a musician at Golden Air
Productions.
Now there is some folklorearound how Ron Miscavige got
into the Sea Org.
That was way before our time.

SPEAKER_00 (07:44):
It was.
And we weren't there for that.

SPEAKER_04 (07:46):
And I never ever talked to Ron about that.
Right.
Um, even after he left.
So I don't know anything aboutthat on first hand.
So the only thing I know is whenI got there in 1990, uh, Ron
Miscavige had not been therethat much longer before me.
He had only gotten there a fewyears earlier, as far as I could
tell.
And Ron Miscavige Sr.

(08:07):
was a trumpet player.
Yes, he was a horns player.
So he played trumpet.
And what the other job that hedid is he was what's known as an
arranger.

SPEAKER_01 (08:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (08:19):
So he would make an arrangement and kind of um make
a score for a video or uh anevent thing or something like
that, and then he put that alltogether and then he would
submit that to David Miscavigefor approval.

SPEAKER_02 (08:34):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (08:35):
So if there was a if we were shooting a movie for uh
like an internal training filmand it needed music, Ron
Miscavige was one of the twoguys that would put the the
music together and say, okay,good, this is the style and this
is the motif, and this is howwe're gonna put it together, and
this is kind of what it's gonnasound like.
And they would just record it ona keyboard, um, just a rough

(08:58):
track to kind of give you anidea of it.

SPEAKER_02 (09:00):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (09:01):
And if we were doing a video, um, they these videos
are really corny.
You can find them on theinternet, I'm sure.
But if we were doing a videoabout a drug rehab center,
Scientology drug rehab center inRussia, then they would make the
the motif and the style of themusic be very, very Russian.

SPEAKER_02 (09:18):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (09:19):
And then um they would get that approved by David
Miscavige himself, personally.
I think it had to go to theaudio director that's over the
music department, and then itwould go to the guys in the uh
LRH's audiovisual, which iscalled RAV, Ron's AV, RAV, and

(09:41):
then it would go directly toCOB.

SPEAKER_00 (09:42):
Yep.
Some there were Ron Ron as in L.
Ron Hubbard, not Ron's not RonSr.'s AV.

SPEAKER_04 (09:48):
And then um, and then yeah, and then that would
get approved by David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_03 (09:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (09:54):
And then David Miscavige would they would
record the music and to go withthe video that got um shot and
edited.

SPEAKER_02 (10:04):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (10:04):
And then David Miscavige would have to approve
the video edit, but if the musicwasn't done, then he would have
to approve the video edit byitself, but then he'd have to
watch the video again to then umhear the music um mix that went
on the video edit.

SPEAKER_03 (10:21):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (10:22):
So after years and years of having to approve all
these individually, somebody, Idon't know who, it might have
been me.
Um, or it might have been Davedemanding it, I don't remember,
but they were like, why don'tyou just put the music and the
edit and everything into onevideo and then each department
can have their CSW with it,their completed staff work to

(10:44):
say, this is why we pick thismusic.
This now, guys, if you thinkthat a few notes being off on
one of these Russian drug rehabvideos uh showing how
Scientology is getting peopleoff drugs in Russia, if you
think some of the music could bea little off and it wouldn't be
the end of the world, well,you've got something coming
because David Miscavige knowsbetter.

(11:05):
He knows that the music's got tobe perfect, the edit's gotta be
perfect.

SPEAKER_02 (11:09):
Every last year.

SPEAKER_04 (11:10):
The only person that can ensure that happens is him
personally.
Nobody else has the knowledge toknow if a video is perfect or
something.

SPEAKER_00 (11:19):
Because he's the ultimate quality control of the
universe.

SPEAKER_04 (11:22):
Yeah.
So I'm I want to say there wasprobably, I think we made a list
one time, there's over 400things that happen at the
international headquarters thatDavid Miscavige has to
personally approve before it cango to the next stage of whatever
it is getting done.
Whether it's a film, he wouldwatch all the daily shots.

SPEAKER_00 (11:44):
Um and which bear which uh brings to mind that
then when David Miscavige wouldget pissed that things weren't
getting done, nobody could eversay, but sir, the proposal is in
your office.
That was never an acceptableanswer.

SPEAKER_04 (12:01):
But also, the only reason I want to say all this is
that David Miscavige's father,he was just another one of the
another 400 people submittingthings to get approved by him.

SPEAKER_00 (12:10):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (12:11):
It wasn't like he was Ron Miscavige Dave's dad.
No, he was Ron Miscavigemusician.

SPEAKER_00 (12:18):
No, in fact, we we knew Ron quite well, rest in
peace, and Becky rest in peace,his his wife.
Um but I never once, personally,I never once saw Ron with David
Miscavige as son-fatherrelationship.
I never saw that.

SPEAKER_04 (12:38):
I did, but only I think because I was in music so
much, and then also because weRon Miscavige would come on the
events as a they the musicianswould play live at these events.
Right.
And um, and I did see them, andsometimes Dave would be yelling
at us and be like, da da, youguys do this, you gotta do that,

(13:00):
you guys are shit, you know,whatever.
And then he would go to the nextthe room next door, and then we
would all leave.
And then sometimes Ron would belike, Hey man, what's going on?
And we'd go talk to Dave.
So I did see that on a fewoccasions, but they weren't like
hugging and drinking a beer,they were just talking off to
the side, and who knows whatthey were talking about because

(13:21):
I do know there were manyoccasions where uh Shelly would
come and talk to Ron after themusicians boofed some mix down
or they uh messed up on an eventthing.
That's a no that's a good one.
So there was an event that wedid at the Free Winds.

(13:43):
Um, that's the Scientology'scruise ship.
And they have this week ofevents during in June called the
Maiden Voyage Anniversary weekof events.

SPEAKER_02 (13:54):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (13:55):
And they have like a CCHR night, that's the Citizens
Commission on Human Rights,that's Scientology's
Anti-Psychiatry front group.
They would have an ABLE night,which is Association for Better
Living and Education, that'sScientology's Drug Rehab Way to
Happiness Applied Scholasticsfront group.
And then they'd have an IASnight, that's the International

(14:16):
Association of Scientologists.
And then the other nights werewhatever else was happening that
might be news.
Usually they would do a CSTnight, which is the Church of
Spiritual Technology.

SPEAKER_00 (14:29):
Yeah, and they would do a um public relations office
of special affairs news night,yeah, too.

SPEAKER_04 (14:36):
That's right.
And the and the idea was thatthese are all things, the people
that are allowed to go to theMaiden Voyage anniversary events
are only the top level OT levelsevens and OT level eights in
the world, and usually the richones.
So if you're just a strugglingmiddle class Scientologist who

(14:58):
managed to get to OT eight,there's only like I think that
ship only holds like 400 andsomething 300.

SPEAKER_00 (15:04):
I looked it up.

SPEAKER_04 (15:04):
So 300 and 90 or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 (15:07):
Something like that.
But that includes the staff thatlive and work there.

SPEAKER_04 (15:11):
Yeah.
There's at least about a hundredof them.

SPEAKER_00 (15:13):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (15:14):
So you're talking maybe about 200 passengers that
can get into this event.

SPEAKER_01 (15:19):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (15:19):
So they let the richy riches come in first
because all the things thatthey're going to tell them
about, those are things theywant them to give them some
money for.

SPEAKER_02 (15:28):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (15:29):
So in order to be, you know, patron maximus, glute,
glutamus, whatever, you have togive them like$10 million.

SPEAKER_02 (15:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (15:39):
And then you can have$2 million of that could be
for the preservation of thetechnology.
That's the CST stuff, or you cangive to the any of the other
groups the IAS or whatever.
Anyway, we were going to do aconcert for one of these.
So they have the event, and thenafter the event, the musicians

(15:59):
put on a concert.

SPEAKER_02 (16:00):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (16:01):
Okay.
Now Drugie, uh Drugie Fresh.
Doug E.
Fresh, the rapper Dougie Fresh.
It was wacko.
Okay.
Drugie Fresh.
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (16:13):
Oopsies.

SPEAKER_04 (16:14):
Doug E.
Fresh, the famous New Yorkrapper, the human beatbox.
Um, was he the human beatbox?
I think he was the originalhuman beatbox.
Um anyway, Dougie Fresh issupposed to do a concert.
And this is also a really weirdworld because you got all these

(16:34):
rich, stuck-up whiteScientologists, okay?
There's no drinking anddrugging.
There's none of that stuff'shappening in that world,
supposedly.

SPEAKER_01 (16:45):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (16:46):
And now you've got a rapper, an old school 80s, 90s
rapper from New York City, doinga show for these guys.
Okay.
And it's definitely awkward upin there.
But at the end of this show, Iwant to say it was at the end,
or maybe it was right before theshow.
I don't remember that part ofit.

(17:06):
But I remember that DougieFreshard talking about his kid
being on crack or cocaine orsomething like that.
And he was struggling with it.
And it was like a real badthing.
And that's why he was, you know,totally for the drug
rehabilitation stuff and allthat.
And everybody's like, what thefuck is he going on about?

(17:27):
Dave Miscavige got pissed.
And Ron Miscavige was basically,even though he was just one of
the musicians, he was for, Ithink for a long time, he was
also the music director.
Or he was kind of like the headof the musicians.
He was the spokesperson for themusicians.

(17:50):
It was usually between him,Peter Schles, who wrote On the
Wings of Love, and DeniseFriend.

SPEAKER_00 (17:58):
Yeah, or and Rick Cruz and was also in that mix.

SPEAKER_04 (18:01):
Yeah, but he was mainly a mixer guy.

SPEAKER_00 (18:03):
Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_04 (18:04):
But he did play keys, but he wasn't really a
musician.

SPEAKER_02 (18:07):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (18:08):
For the most part.
Yeah.
He was just somebody DavidMiscavige liked to yell at yell
at for on behalf of otherpeople.
True.
Okay.
So Ron Miscavige got in bigtrouble because Dougie Fresh
went off script.
Yeah.
Basically.
He was just supposed to read theprompter, and then Dougie Fresh
just got excited about theproject and just started talking

(18:30):
about drugs and his kids andnonsense.
Anyway, I remember that Davejust came down on Ron.
And I think for I want to sayfor months, they were in lower
conditions because of that uhDougie Fresh situation.

SPEAKER_01 (18:47):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (18:48):
So um, so that's another thing you gotta know.
Sometimes just because your lastname is Miscavige, that doesn't
mean you're gonna get treatedany better.
I would say out of all of themiscavages, Shelly was the one
who benefited the most justbecause she was so close.
For a what for she had a run.

SPEAKER_00 (19:09):
Until it turned one.

SPEAKER_04 (19:10):
She had a run.

SPEAKER_00 (19:11):
She did.

SPEAKER_04 (19:12):
In the end, it didn't work out.
Yeah, no.
Up until the end, she probably Idon't know, you know, it's weird
because I always thought thatRoanne, Rowann, that we're going
a little off script here, butRoanne was L.
Ron Hubbard's granddaughter, andshe was in the Sea Org at the
Ant Base because her mother andfather, Diana Hubbard, L.

(19:34):
Ron Hubbard's daughter, also hadthe gingivitis, if you don't
mind me saying.
I do say that.
The gingis gingis max.
Anyway, she was also a redhead,and Roanne was actually a
redhead.

SPEAKER_01 (19:46):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (19:47):
And but Roanne's parents were both in the Sea
Org, and they were both at theposted at the international
headquarters.

SPEAKER_03 (19:54):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (19:54):
So Diana and then her husband, John Horwich.
John is not in the Sea Organymore.
Roanne is not in the Sea Organymore, but Diana is still
there.
Alive or not, we don't know.
We haven't heard or seen, and noone that has left recently knows
anything about her.

SPEAKER_01 (20:12):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:12):
And they've never or they haven't said anything.

SPEAKER_01 (20:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:15):
Um okay, so but I always thought that Roanne was
being treated specially becauseshe was El Ron Hubbard's
granddaughter.

SPEAKER_00 (20:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (20:24):
And then when Rowann left.

SPEAKER_00 (20:26):
And I think when she was younger, she had some
things.
Like she had a tutor, not thatnot that it was an accredited
tutor, you know, whatever.
She just had there were somethings that were done
differently to these L.
Ron Hubbard, I believe.

SPEAKER_04 (20:40):
Wasn't her tutor Jenny Sue Alexander?

SPEAKER_00 (20:42):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (20:43):
Yeah.
So it was she had a lady that Ithink used to be like a teacher.
Used to be in her prior to the Corganization.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (20:52):
Well, if she was accredited, I have no idea.

SPEAKER_04 (20:55):
But either way, it was just somebody who was the
most teacher-like of the peopleavailable.
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (21:03):
Exactly.
Yeah, you can never take titlesat face value when it comes to C
organization jobs because youknow they'll be electrician.
So one might presume from yourexperience in the real world
that that means said person haselectric electrician
certification andqualifications.

(21:23):
That's just not the case.
Same with a tutor.
Just because they have the titleof tutor means absolutely
nothing as to their actualqualifications.

SPEAKER_04 (21:32):
Yeah, you know, which is funny because I didn't
know a lot about plumbing andelectrical and stone veneer
before I joined the Sea Org.

SPEAKER_02 (21:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (21:41):
But now I I did ton I've done tons, I did hundreds
and hundreds of hours of thoseitems in this in the C
organization, building uhbuildings and stuff on that
property.
But now if I needed to do someof that stuff, I could do it.
I don't know that I would do itthe best or the nicest, but I
could do it.
But I wouldn't tell anybody thatI was an electrician.

SPEAKER_00 (22:03):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (22:04):
I wouldn't be like, yeah, I'm an electrician.
I've wired 4,000 outlets, butI'm not an electrician.

SPEAKER_00 (22:10):
Hey, I'm a rock star.

SPEAKER_04 (22:12):
Oh, hey, I did want to say uh show this too.
If you could read that realquick, I did look this up.

SPEAKER_00 (22:17):
Okay, hi Claire.
I politely suggest searchingrevenue ruling 93-73 and then
read the 2005 legal articleposted on UNC Charlotte's
website.
It's eye-opening best to all.
All right.

SPEAKER_04 (22:35):
It's a lot.
And there's it's it's not forthe light of heart in terms of
reading, but it basically arguesthat the IRS, a lot of people
are like, oh, Scientology isprotected like other religions
are protected.
It's actually not the case.
Scientology is allowed to dothings under the religious
umbrella that other religionsare not allowed to do.

(22:57):
The other religions are notallowed to um take religious
training and religious educationas a write-off.
That's not a thing.
The donations they are, but notfor religious training.

SPEAKER_00 (23:11):
Not the service-based items where you
can do that.

SPEAKER_04 (23:13):
So the way Yeah, the way Scientology was doing it,
and this is a good point.
Sorry, I put the camera on bothof both.
There we go.
Um I think that Scientologyknows that they're gonna lose
that.
They're not gonna be able tocheck auditing.

SPEAKER_00 (23:30):
That would be a s a potential theory as to why
they've transitioned over to thedonation model donation model.

SPEAKER_04 (23:37):
Because they know they're gonna lose this.

SPEAKER_00 (23:41):
Right, because it was already denied.

SPEAKER_04 (23:49):
Uh and the IRS is like, whatever, we these guys
are giving us grief.
We're gonna we gotta give themsomething.
So because they're switchingover to this donation model,
that is the thing that'sallowed.
You can give people money forwhatever you want.
Well, certain things are exemptand certain things aren't.

SPEAKER_02 (24:09):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (24:10):
Okay.
If they do end ultimately end uplosing that again, it won't
really matter.
Because the people could stillgive them money.
They have to lose everything taxexempt.

SPEAKER_01 (24:23):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (24:24):
Anyway, maybe if we could show that their tax exempt
dollars are being spentharassing us, then uh and the
environment.
Anyway, thank you for that,Jason.

SPEAKER_00 (24:33):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (24:34):
Um okay, what what else?
What other stories?
That's good enough.
Oh, no, the thing I was gonnasay about Rowan is sorry, we
went off track because I theonly reason I think about this
is because people always think,oh, the people related to the
people are doing fine.
It's not that way all the time.

SPEAKER_00 (24:52):
It's not that, and that's why I thought of Ron Ron
Misgavage Sr.
Yeah.
But finish what you're sayingabout Rowan, and then I'll say
my part about Ron.

SPEAKER_04 (24:59):
Perfect.
So when Rowan left, I asked herthis specific thing.
Yeah, but you had it prettygood.
She goes, you know, when she wasa steward in what's called CMO
Gold, which is the CommodoreMessengers organization for
golden era productions, they arethe ones that take care of L.
Ron Hubbard's personal spaces atthe international headquarters.

SPEAKER_02 (25:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (25:23):
So they're the ones that clean L.
Ron Hubbard's bedroom and puthis clothes out the night
before.
So when he shows back up thenext day in a 20-year-old body,
he can put on these 70-year-olddude clothes.
Because that's totally normal.
And um they clean the, theyclean.
They clean the tub, they cleanthe toilet, they wash the
kitchen, they do the dishes,they do all that stuff in L.
Ron Hubbard's house.

SPEAKER_01 (25:44):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (25:44):
But they also do that for David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_01 (25:46):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (25:47):
And so he had Rowan, David Miscavige, had Rowan, L.
Ron Hubbard's granddaughter,doing his laundry.

SPEAKER_02 (25:59):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (25:59):
And Shelly's laundry and feeding their dogs, and she
was their servant, she was theirsteward doing that kind of
stuff.
And then I thought that's kindof wacky if you think about it.
Like, just in a psychologicalway.
You're L.
Run Hubbard's granddaughter, butyou clean my dirty underwear.

SPEAKER_02 (26:18):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (26:19):
It's not, that's not a position of power and
privilege that she got.

SPEAKER_02 (26:23):
No.

SPEAKER_04 (26:24):
She basically got to do a demeaning in a way.
I mean, not that anything'swrong with that.
People do that as a job, but thefact that she was L.
Ron Hubbard's granddaughter.

SPEAKER_00 (26:34):
That's what that's where it's twisted.

SPEAKER_04 (26:36):
Is the little little little spin on that.
And that's kind of wild.

SPEAKER_00 (26:40):
Right.
And even just thinking about thefact that the children that L.
Ron Hubbard had, the only onestill there is Diana.
That's crazy too.

SPEAKER_04 (26:51):
It is crazy.
And we've talked about thisbefore at the international
headquarters, but I genuinelybelieve that there's some people
there that think L.
Ron Hubbard is coming back.

SPEAKER_02 (27:03):
Oh, I do too.

SPEAKER_04 (27:04):
He said to them he was coming back.

SPEAKER_02 (27:05):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:06):
So they're like, he would never lie to us.
Right.
And so they really genuinelythink that he's going to show up
and they're going to have 30years of tattletelling to do on
David Miscavige.
And I literally think that's agood thing.

SPEAKER_02 (27:23):
It really makes me sad to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 (27:24):
I know, but they're they you know the people too.

SPEAKER_02 (27:27):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (27:28):
Ray Midoff, Wendell Reynolds, Mark Yeager, Mark
Yeager, Diana Hubbard.
Yeah.
All of these people.
Shelly.
Shelly Miscavige.

SPEAKER_00 (27:36):
Shelly is probably top of the list.
She's dying to tattle on Dave atthis point.
Are you good?

SPEAKER_04 (27:40):
They are literally like when the old man comes
back, you are so toast.
And I think that's always why Ithink that David Miscavige
doesn't believe in Scientology.

SPEAKER_02 (27:53):
Right.

SPEAKER_04 (27:53):
Because if he believed in Scientology, he
would believe that L.
Ron Hubbard was coming back.
And he knows L.
Ron Hubbard's not coming back,but he plays the game like he
is.
So he had the building built.
And that's the other thing.

SPEAKER_00 (28:06):
Bonnie view, L.
Ron Hubbard's home.

SPEAKER_04 (28:08):
If he's like, we got to get this building built, El
Rate said he was coming back in2007.
If they're if they're jammingit, they're all waiting, like,
oh yeah, 2007.
I just got to get to 2007.
And you are so toast, Davy boy.
And then they build the house,and then he doesn't come back in
2007.
I don't know.
That's where I would have acrisis if I was one of those

(28:31):
guys.
Because like he said he wascoming back in 2007.
He didn't come back.
And now it's like we've beenwaiting 20 years, the countdown
to 2000 or 26 or 21 or whateverthe age was.

SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
But that's also where cognitive dissonance kicks
in and all those other elementsof you know.

SPEAKER_04 (28:50):
Is that you?

SPEAKER_00 (28:51):
No, it's not me.
I violent is mine.

SPEAKER_04 (28:54):
You got other devices you're hiding in there.

SPEAKER_00 (28:56):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (28:57):
Um, it might have been mine.
I didn't say what how long.
Sorry, guys.
This is we're having amateurhours today.
Um, yes.
Okay.
Hey, now that you said that, itwas her microphone.
She had something that wascreating a feedback loop, and
that's why we had to rip thewhole studio apart.

SPEAKER_00 (29:17):
Speaking of tattletales, my goodness.
Okay.
Oh boy.
Your turn.
Oh, yes.
So so Ron Miscavige Sr.
Uh I can't remember what year itwas, but it was early 2000s and
um, or maybe late 90s, yeah.
Late 90s, early 2000s, andShelly Miscavige came to see me

(29:41):
at the time I was responsiblefor correcting management,
anyone in gold, anyone that wasdoing submissions.

SPEAKER_04 (29:49):
This is when you were director of correction AVC.

SPEAKER_00 (29:52):
Yeah, in Religious Technology Center.

SPEAKER_04 (29:54):
So this is when that stands for authorization,
verification, and correction,and she was the correction part
of that.

SPEAKER_00 (30:00):
The C in the A V C.
And so Shelly would oftentimesgive me orders of, you know, do
this with this person, do thiswith this person, do this with
this person.
Well, specifically speaking acorrectional item.

SPEAKER_04 (30:15):
Correctional items items like making them look up
words or read policies.

SPEAKER_00 (30:20):
Find out what they've got going on because
they're acting weird aroundDavid Miscavige, or word clear,
you know, word clear them onDavid Miscavige's orders to get
them done, things like that.

SPEAKER_04 (30:32):
We can't let that just slide.
That is an actual thing that youcould get in trouble for at the
international headquarters,acting weird around David
Miscavige.

SPEAKER_00 (30:42):
Which is the point of my story today.

SPEAKER_04 (30:44):
Yeah, but also weird is completely subjective and
completely different to anypeople, other people each
person.

SPEAKER_00 (30:51):
Yeah, and not like you would never it in like
translating that to real world,that's just not a thing.

SPEAKER_04 (31:00):
Oh, no way.
Like if you literally sneezed abunch of times, that would be
it.

SPEAKER_00 (31:07):
If you were if you kept scratching your nose or you
were just acting bored in ameeting.

SPEAKER_04 (31:12):
Oh, okay.
You gotta tell that.
We have to tell that story aboutwhen I fell asleep in one of
David Miscavige's meetings.
Remember when I had the contactsand I fell asleep in the
meeting?
I don't remember trouble.

SPEAKER_00 (31:23):
I don't remember that.
Okay.
So back to this one.
It's like a rabbit hole talkingabout David Miscavige.

SPEAKER_04 (31:30):
I'm not gonna say anything, I'm gonna let you
talk.
Keep talking.

SPEAKER_00 (31:32):
Okay.
So um Ron Sr.
was in music, and um the sp thisspecific time was Shelly says,
Oh, Ron keeps messing up hisconversations with David
Scavenge.

SPEAKER_04 (31:48):
I remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (31:49):
Like, dude, it's his dad.

SPEAKER_04 (31:50):
This was this was in the late 90s.
I remember this because uh atthat time um I was working with
the musicians and I think I waseither the assistant producer or
the producer.
So yeah, it was 1990s, early2000s, somewhere in there maybe.

SPEAKER_02 (32:08):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (32:08):
And he couldn't, every time Dave would ask him
questions, he wouldn't answer hewould answer a not the question
he was asking or stuff likethat.
I totally remember that.

SPEAKER_00 (32:19):
Yeah, which to in my to my mind, in retrospect, more
had to do with lack of sleep.
Uh very and you know, I mean,hey, who reacts well when
someone's screaming and cussingat you at the top of their
lungs?
I mean, seriously, and and notonly that, it's your own father.

SPEAKER_04 (32:35):
Yeah, but also nobody was sleeping.

SPEAKER_00 (32:37):
Your son, I mean your son is yelling at you.
What dad responds well to theirson cussing them out full time,
right?

SPEAKER_04 (32:45):
But also, it was like David Miscavige or Ron
Miscavige is talking weird toDave.
No, he's talking weird toeverybody.
He's an old man who hasn't sleptin a week.
He was talking that way toeverybody around him.
It wasn't just Dave.
He wasn't singling him out to beweird with.

SPEAKER_00 (33:04):
No.
So Shelly's big solution to thiswas hey, um, you know, uh on on
grade zero, there's all theseprocesses that are supposed to
make sorry about that.
That's all right.

SPEAKER_04 (33:16):
I just smoked out your camera.

SPEAKER_00 (33:19):
Things got a little blurry.
Um so there's all these Hubbardprocesses that are supposed to
make it so that allegedly aresupposed to make it so you can
communicate about any subject,no matter how difficult, uh,
have a conversation withanybody, yada yada.
So Shelley's big bright idea washey, let's use those uh with Ron

(33:41):
Sr.
Um so that he can talk to hisdad properly.
So that went on for months.

SPEAKER_04 (33:48):
I remember that now.
That was so funny.
I can't even believe that thatand that's just a Tuesday,
really.
Like where you have to dosomething like that.
That same thing happened with somany staff.

SPEAKER_03 (34:02):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (34:02):
Glenda, I gotta put this up.
I can see, yeah, I could seepeople trying so hard to not
look weird that they startacting weird.

SPEAKER_00 (34:10):
Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 (34:10):
That's exactly what would happen.
People are so anxious thatthey're gonna do the wrong thing
or say the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_00 (34:18):
That is, and that is what led to the whole Piface
campaign that David Miscavigelaunched because he was like,
hmm, I don't know.
Why are people acting weirdamount around me?
You're all pie face.

SPEAKER_04 (34:32):
Here, go like this.
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (34:34):
Okay then.
Well, now my now my microphoneis gone.
We gotta move this afterwards.
We're gonna we're gonna do some.

SPEAKER_04 (34:42):
I think I was moving the table and the table.

SPEAKER_00 (34:48):
Oh boy.

SPEAKER_04 (34:49):
Anyway, yes, that was a definite um thing that
happened all the time.
Oh, let's see if your camera'sany good.
Oh, it's perfect, actually.
Let's see.

SPEAKER_00 (34:56):
Okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_04 (34:57):
I'm kind of jealous of the Mormon stories.
They have a very cool setup.
I mean, we did throw thistogether from stuff laying
around in my shop, but yeah,they do have a purpose-built
setup that is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 (35:08):
Yeah.
That and that's off topic, butthat the to me, that was such a
great two days of learning somuch about the parallels between
Mormonism and Scientology.
I was blown away.
Uh Nache, at Clara Carter is theMormon Stories interview one of
the first both Claire and Markdid together.
I think it is the first one.

(35:28):
I think it is.

SPEAKER_04 (35:29):
I mean with sides for TV shows and films and
movies.

SPEAKER_00 (35:32):
Yeah, we filmed before together.
Ironically, the longest one weever filmed together was for ABC
Nightline, and that one,Scientology got it shut down
before it ever aired.
Yeah.
And even that was not such along deep dive with both of us.

SPEAKER_04 (35:48):
Most of the time We did make the entire camera crew
cry on that one.
We pretty much had them all intears on that one.
That was a good emotionalstorytelling episode.
And they were like, this isgonna be the best episode we've
ever done.
And then it was then it nevercame out.
And I was like, yeah, good job,guys.

SPEAKER_00 (36:07):
I get goosebumps thinking about it because I
remember that moment.
I remember we were sittingupstairs in our living room, and
it was kind of lit like it wasdark, and the but we were under
the bright lights filming.
And I was talking, and then allof a sudden I noticed like
people wipe wiping away tears.
And I looked over you and youwere crying, and I was just

(36:31):
like, oh my gosh, it's it was alot of anyway.

SPEAKER_04 (36:35):
Um, Pi face, somebody said we talked about Pi
face and we never reallyexplained what that was.

SPEAKER_02 (36:40):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (36:41):
In in the C organization, same time period,
19 late 90s, early 2000s, aroundthere somewhere.
Yeah.
Um, because if you if DavidMiscavitch asked you a yes or no
question, if you answered yes,you were wrong, and if you
answered no, you were wrong.
And if you gave an explanation,well, then you were completely
wrong.

SPEAKER_00 (37:00):
And and not only that, excuse me, whoever would
end up responding would mostlike nine times out of ten
become the sacrificial lamb andbecome the main focus and
target.

SPEAKER_04 (37:15):
Yes.

SPEAKER_00 (37:15):
So there became more and more of a reluctance to be
to be that person.

SPEAKER_04 (37:20):
Yeah.
So David Miscavige, we'd be inthese meetings with 20 people
around a giant table, andthere'd be people standing
behind the people at the table,and he'd go, like, Does anybody
know why I can't get this done?
And everybody'd be like, Isurely do not know.
And everybody would just bestanding in there, just like and

(37:42):
then he would ask somebodydirectly, What do you know about
this?
And the person would just sitthere.
They wouldn't say anything.
It was kind of the craziestthing in the world.
It was like they're thinking, ifI answer him, he's gonna get mad
that I answered him.
I interrupted him.
So I'm not gonna say anything,I'm just gonna let him keep
yelling, and then it'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 (38:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (38:04):
And so people would get wrong.
So people would just sit there,and then he would just start
screaming and yelling andthrowing shit.
And so eventually he would hewould accuse everybody of being
pie face, and he drew thiscircle with these slight slit
eyes and a straight mouth and anose, and it was just like and

(38:25):
that was it.
And then those got posted allover the conference rooms, those
pictures.

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
And it was like, don't be pie faced um those
button badges that he would puton people pin on badges that
were pie faced.
It was just white.
I mean, it was just a circlewith any of our kids could do a
better job in terms of artwork.
There was nothing artistic aboutit.

SPEAKER_04 (38:49):
Uh you know what it actually looked like?
Oh, you keep talking.
I'm gonna find the picture thatit used to look like.

SPEAKER_00 (38:54):
Okay.
Yeah, anyway, so yeah, for a fora while that would be a thing.
Like he would have badges thatwere posters, Pi face.
And at the time, Marty Rathbinwas the uh David Miscavige's
second in command.
So he even started doing what'scalled rollbacks, where he would

(39:16):
put somebody on the e-meter andask when uh you know, uh, who
would just like he'd put theperson on the e-meter who had
just been quote unquote pie facewith David Miscavige to find out
where they got that idea fromand roll it back to find out who
was spreading the enemy linethat David Miscavige is hard to

(39:36):
talk to.
Remember that?

SPEAKER_03 (39:38):
Yep.

SPEAKER_00 (39:39):
Relax, dude.
He is though.
He's a psycho.
Anyway, all right, that's what Ihad to say.

SPEAKER_04 (39:46):
So Okay, I can't find the thing.
I found it, but I can't get itto present it.

SPEAKER_00 (39:50):
Yeah, it's all right.

SPEAKER_04 (39:51):
It's the um Where's the Gold At leprechaun sketch?
Okay, if you know the veryfamous viral video, Where the
Gold At um uh with theleprechaun sketch, the amateur
uh leprechaun sketch, that isvery similar to what David
Miscavige's Pi Face sketchlooked like.

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:10):
The Lembercon was much more detailed.
Okay, what's another good story?
And then I think we shouldprobably uh think about doing a
giveaway.

SPEAKER_00 (40:18):
Yeah, sounds good.
Um, okay, so we talk oh, and andalso, okay, so talking about Ron
and Becky, rest in peace.
Yeah, David Miscavige was alsosuper opposed to Becky.

SPEAKER_04 (40:32):
Yes, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 (40:33):
Like so derogatory.

SPEAKER_04 (40:36):
Uh she got a lot of flack just for being together.

SPEAKER_00 (40:40):
Unbelievable.
She was the one of the she hadthe capacity to just maintain
this like vivacious, bubblypersonality when most people had
long since been worn down,right?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (40:56):
And also, yeah, she was very positive no matter how
much he dunked on her.
Yeah, it was just like whatever.

SPEAKER_00 (41:03):
She was always put together, would always have her
hair done, her makeup on, likeyou know, all of that, which you
know is not common.
No, it's not, it's not.

SPEAKER_04 (41:12):
Some yeah, some gals hadn't had makeup on in over a
decade.
Yeah.
That's like how often people putsome of the women that this in
the Sea Org put makeup on.
It's just an it's just an extragiant waste of time that is no
one cares about.

SPEAKER_00 (41:26):
And not to mention the fact, I mean, when you're
getting$46 a week, and if youthen drink coffee and you smoke
cigarettes, I mean, you're notgonna have much money left over
for Mac makeup.
Best case scenario, it's gonnabe Walmart generic brand.
You think if you're lucky.

SPEAKER_04 (41:43):
Did they sell makeup and stuff like that in the
canteen?

SPEAKER_00 (41:46):
Um ever remembered that.
No, they didn't, but at onepoint they had um actually that
was uh uh something being pushedby Shelly Miscavige was to get
all the women wearing makeup andthe makeup artists in Cine had
AVITA discounts.
Yes.
So uh for a little bit, it wasshort-lived again, because forty

(42:08):
forty-six dollars a week doesn'tallow much of a budget for the
most of the people ordering aVita through makeup, because I
was the pre-production directorover makeup, most of the were
his RTC.

SPEAKER_04 (42:18):
There wasn't a lot of regular folks ordering makeup
from Avita direct from thebecause we had it, we were a
distributor, Golden EraProductions was like a
distributor, or we boughtthrough a distributor for Avita.

SPEAKER_00 (42:32):
You know what I remember most about Avita is
that it's like, oh, can we we'regonna get Avita now?
So we got shampoo, and I'm like,it smells so good because Avita
shampoo was not unscented.

SPEAKER_04 (42:47):
Yeah, which was also another weird thing because you
weren't allowed to have anythingscented in the C organization.
But because Shelly Miscavige andDavid Miscavige used Avita, then
everybody could use Avita, eventhough it had perfume in it.
Exactly and fragrance in it.
Yes, yeah, but it was they Idon't remember.
There was some excuse.
It was like, no, no, they'reessential oils.
They're an eck that it's anextract, it's not really

(43:09):
perfume, but it's right onthere, fragrance, like right on
the contents.

SPEAKER_00 (43:14):
Yeah, it did.

SPEAKER_04 (43:15):
Gosh darn it.
Yeah, we were there was a lot ofstinky Sea Org members.

SPEAKER_00 (43:21):
Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 (43:22):
Some people did.
I mean, if you're not allowed towear scented deodorant, then you
gotta buy like unscenteddeodorant, and that's expensive.
It was expensive, it was cheaperto buy the scented stuff.
Yes, so you would just not wearit.
There were people that were justlike, oh, deodorant.
That's like kind of like asuggestion.

(43:43):
So yeah, there was a lot ofthere was also a lot of people
that weren't from the UnitedStates, so they might have
different customs and culturesin those countries depending at
the differ that differ fromwhite folks in Hemet, California
in the middle of uh the desert.
But yeah, I tell you right now,I got fragrance in just about
everything I wear.

SPEAKER_00 (44:03):
We were jam it up.
Oh, thoroughly embraced thefragrance.
Like I love smelling good.
And you I love you smelling goodtoo, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 (44:15):
Uh Betsy Sue, Osa smells like poo.

SPEAKER_00 (44:17):
Oh, there we go.
Yes indeed.

SPEAKER_04 (44:19):
Yeah, I don't know why.
Um I don't know why people sayosa smells like poo.
I think that was uh started onthe internet, but um I think I
think Denver Stevo started that.
Osa smells like poo?

SPEAKER_00 (44:29):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:30):
I don't know.
I've never really smelt them upclose, the Osa folks.
But I mean, yeah.
They're old.

SPEAKER_00 (44:36):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (44:36):
And they're been in the same room sitting in that
chair.
So, I mean, it's not a it's nota stretch, probably.
No, it's not they do deal with alot of poo.

SPEAKER_00 (44:47):
They sure do.

SPEAKER_04 (44:48):
Um okay, let's get Damper Stevo.
Um, okay, let's uh do you wantto do some questions and then
we'll do the giveaway at theend.

SPEAKER_00 (44:56):
Let's let's do the giveaway now.

SPEAKER_04 (44:58):
Oh, geez, Louise.

SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
Remember because I I I have to bump out in in 10
minutes.

SPEAKER_04 (45:03):
Oh, bump out.

SPEAKER_00 (45:04):
Just a reminder.

SPEAKER_04 (45:05):
Is that a technical thing?
Bump out?

SPEAKER_00 (45:07):
I believe so.

SPEAKER_04 (45:08):
I think you 100% made that up.
It means nothing.
Bump out.

SPEAKER_00 (45:12):
Picky picky.

SPEAKER_04 (45:13):
Sounds like a drug reference.

SPEAKER_00 (45:14):
In ten minutes, I will be exiting the studio for
Foundation Feed Series numbernine, uh, part two with Phil
Jones and Ian Rafalco.
This stream will automaticallyredirect, but yes, there it is.
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (45:26):
We're doing a fake Navy dog uh photo contest.
We're gonna pick three winners.
Here's some examples.
We have these are the prizes.
We've been getting some great.
Is that I think that's a yougave me the wrong one.
That's the one Clara sent youthat has other stuff on it.

SPEAKER_00 (45:43):
Oh, well, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 (45:44):
That's it.

SPEAKER_00 (45:45):
Aren't I special?

SPEAKER_04 (45:46):
Okay.
Um anyway, these guys.
There's a whole bunch of theseguys.
Look, I got the three blindDavies, the three, no, they're
mustering up behind your laptopright there.
See no, hear no, speak no.
But I can't make their face, Ican't make their arms do
anything except for that one guyI was able to get to do a no
sino or something.
Yeah.
Um, get your fake Davy doll overat the SP shop.

(46:10):
All the uh proceeds go tosubmitting uh supporting the
Aftermath Foundation, theMichael J.
Render Aftermath Foundation,helping people get out of
Scientology or get back on theirfeet after they escape.
Um and um if you take a picturewith this guy and send it in,
you can enter in to win uh MikeBobblehead or Leah Bobblehead.

SPEAKER_00 (46:29):
Yes, exactly.
And so I I'm just looking at thecalendar.
So on our next live, yeah, we'llbe in October.

SPEAKER_04 (46:37):
So we'll that'll be the first one to announce a
September winner.
So send in your photos, youguys.
You've got a few more days tosend in your photos of your fake
Navy Davy dolls and um whereverthey may be, whatever they may
be doing.
And I don't want to say let'stry to push the limits of
YouTube, but if you do, we mayshow it.

(47:01):
I don't know.
I don't know what the limitsare.
We might have to find out, wemight have to see where the line
is so we can.
They are?

SPEAKER_00 (47:12):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (47:13):
Oh, of course they are.

SPEAKER_00 (47:15):
It's the best.

SPEAKER_04 (47:17):
Bumping out to the gym.
Thank you.
I'm telling you, look at this.
Hello, everyone.
I hope you enjoy the article.
I'm bumping out to the gym.
Telling you this is not a thing.

SPEAKER_00 (47:26):
Clara says she's gonna have to bump out in 10
minutes, too.

SPEAKER_04 (47:29):
Oh my god.
You know what?

SPEAKER_00 (47:30):
They get me.
Uh it's all good.
I get it that you don't.
Um it's all good.
Warning may cause alarm anddistress.
Apostate Alex.

SPEAKER_04 (47:39):
This guy.
I don't know.
If you're alarmed and distressedover this, then that's a whole
nother level of crazinessbecause this is he's got a but
but hold on.

SPEAKER_00 (47:50):
There's a there's there's an important point to be
made here.
There's a an important point tobe made here.
Yes.
Okay, apostate Alex's comment isin regards to last year's
protest at the InternationalAssociation of Scientologists
event at St.
Hill in the UK.
Yeah, and some of the protestershad David dolls, and the police

(48:10):
officer told Alex thatScientologists had alleged that
these were causing alarm anddistress.
Okay, flip side though,Scientologists believe that they
have the technology to confrontand shatter suppression.

SPEAKER_03 (48:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (48:24):
Okay, so if that's the case, and they're able to
confront and shattersuppression, how on earth is
this little doll causing alarmand distress?

SPEAKER_04 (48:33):
He's very powerful.

SPEAKER_00 (48:34):
It's just to state the obvious.

SPEAKER_04 (48:35):
He's a very powerful little guy.
Um fake Navy Davy.
You gotta get one.
Spshop.com.

SPEAKER_00 (48:41):
While supplies last.

SPEAKER_04 (48:43):
Okay, let's uh let's see if we could do a giveaway.
If I um I might have to go downhere.
Let's see.
Oh yeah, here we go.
Hold on.
Hold on.
There we go.
We're doing it.
And where'd it go?
Here it is.
There we go.
I did it.
It's a miracle.

(49:04):
Okay.
Um it says there's only ahundred people.
Is that true?
Maybe it is.
Maybe only a hundred peoplecalled me.

SPEAKER_00 (49:10):
So just reminder to be entered into the giveaway,
you have to comment.
So if you want to get anycomments in the Well, they just
did.

SPEAKER_04 (49:17):
I pulled the trigger.
I'm just it is what it is.

SPEAKER_00 (49:20):
Okay, for for next week.
Now you know.

SPEAKER_04 (49:22):
Mrs.
Woozy.
Oh, Toyia.
Has that person won before?

SPEAKER_00 (49:26):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (49:26):
They have?

SPEAKER_00 (49:27):
I believe so.

SPEAKER_04 (49:28):
Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 (49:29):
Well, congratulations.

SPEAKER_04 (49:30):
Congratulations, double winner.
This this have we had doublewinners before?
People who've won more than one?

SPEAKER_00 (49:36):
Yeah, a couple here and there.

SPEAKER_04 (49:38):
Really?

SPEAKER_00 (49:38):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (49:39):
Wow.
You gotta get more people inhere.

SPEAKER_00 (49:41):
If I remember correctly, this is the person
that asked for um a copy of mybook, which you know isn't done
yet.

SPEAKER_04 (49:49):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:50):
It's only two people I've done that with.
I have a list.
I don't want to lose.
Oh, really?
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (49:54):
Oh, you're really over overextending your share.
You gotta do the book before youcan reserve giveaways.

SPEAKER_00 (50:02):
I know, I know, I know, but it was a special
request, and I I um I'm not verygood at saying no, so I agreed
to it.
But anyway, congratulations onthe winner.
Send me an email, Claire atbaloneforgood.com with um what
you oh, we're doing the fakenavy Davy.
That's that's yes, fake navyday.

SPEAKER_04 (50:23):
Yeah, sorry, Miss Sorry, Mrs.
Woozy.
You were the second runner up.

SPEAKER_00 (50:28):
So Miss Woozy, you know what?
I commented, but I I'moverruling.
Miss Woozy was in chat for like11 hours at Mormon Stories.
So you're just giving her I'mgiving her a Davy doll.

SPEAKER_04 (50:40):
Wow, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (50:41):
Send me an email, Clara at Blownforgood.com with
your advantage.

SPEAKER_04 (50:44):
Two winners in one draw.
Two winners.
Look at that.

SPEAKER_00 (50:46):
How much of a pushover am I?
There you go.

SPEAKER_04 (50:49):
There you go.
So is it Tuya?

SPEAKER_00 (50:52):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (50:53):
We'll call it Touya.
Um Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 (50:56):
Clara says, I feel like 11 hours earns it.
LOL.
I agree.
I'm with Clara.
Here, right here.

SPEAKER_04 (51:04):
My thing must be behind.

SPEAKER_00 (51:05):
There you go.
See?

SPEAKER_04 (51:06):
Oh, there it is.
It just showed up.
Okay.
Um, yeah, there you go.
Oh my god, seriously, that'samazing.
There you go.
Congratulations, Mrs.
Woozy.

SPEAKER_00 (51:14):
Yes.
So Claire at blownforgood.com,send me your address and we'll
get that off to you.
Same for both winners.

SPEAKER_04 (51:21):
Okay, what was the email again?

SPEAKER_00 (51:23):
There we go.
We got you.

SPEAKER_04 (51:25):
Okay.
Oh, yeah, Claire put it inthere.

SPEAKER_00 (51:27):
Yes.

SPEAKER_04 (51:28):
Um, okay, good, good, good.
Okay.
So you want to I'll do a fewquestions here while we're
waiting.

SPEAKER_00 (51:32):
Yep.

SPEAKER_04 (51:33):
Um, if people even put questions in here, or do we
want to tell another uh DavyDavy story?

SPEAKER_00 (51:40):
Um here.

SPEAKER_04 (51:40):
Well, here's one.

SPEAKER_00 (51:41):
Okay.

SPEAKER_04 (51:41):
There you go.

SPEAKER_00 (51:42):
All right, Trevin on question.
Think thinking of a thirdepisode with John, there are
comments asking for that.
Oh, that would be amazing.

SPEAKER_04 (51:51):
Well, that's up to John and and and Margie.
I mean, we're not we're notgonna dictate that, but yeah, if
you want to do want them to doanother one with us, comment on
their video of uh Mormon Studiospodcast.

SPEAKER_00 (52:02):
Yeah, because Or Mormon Stories.

SPEAKER_04 (52:04):
Did I say Mormon Studios?

SPEAKER_00 (52:06):
Mormon Stories.
Yeah, um, Mormon Storiespodcast.
What I think would if we if wehad that opportunity, I would do
a deep dive in the stories fromwhen we got out.
Much of what you put in theoutline for your book, too, if
you ever wrote a second book.

SPEAKER_04 (52:23):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (52:23):
Like all the things, like all the things that
happened to us.

SPEAKER_04 (52:26):
Yeah, we didn't really get into that much of the
fair game and and stuff likethat.

SPEAKER_00 (52:29):
No, or even even just like the story of how we
ended up getting our belongingsback.

SPEAKER_04 (52:34):
That is the best.
We should do that on our uhchannel, though.
We should we gotta get that.
Let's just decide that is whatwe're doing next week.

SPEAKER_00 (52:41):
Okay, digitize those that list, that document, get it
as a PDF, talk about all thedetails of the documents.

SPEAKER_04 (52:46):
And we'll just go through that whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 (52:48):
Yeah, perfect.

SPEAKER_04 (52:48):
That is gonna be an amazing episode.
There's police involved, there'sinterstate uh possible
contraband transport.
There's all telling you this isa very, very jam-packed action.
This could be it's this could bean episode of blown for good.
Just that one thing.

SPEAKER_00 (53:09):
Yes, agreed.
Agreed.
There's a lot to do.

SPEAKER_04 (53:11):
Okay, we're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00 (53:12):
That's it.
Pretty awesome.

SPEAKER_04 (53:14):
Okay, sorry about that.
Trevin on, you gotta talk toyour people.
Or get your get the people totalk to your people.

SPEAKER_00 (53:20):
We'll we'll do it too.
I'll I'll you'll do it.

SPEAKER_04 (53:23):
You'll be you'll do talk to people too.

SPEAKER_00 (53:24):
Yeah, I talk to lots of people.
I I would beg to argue I talk tomore people than you do.

SPEAKER_04 (53:30):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Is somebody contesting that?

SPEAKER_00 (53:36):
I was just stating for the record, you know.
Anyway, it's been real,everybody.
I'm gonna pop it in.
Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 (53:43):
And then I then you can go.

SPEAKER_00 (53:44):
All right, what is it?

SPEAKER_04 (53:44):
Then you're free.

SPEAKER_00 (53:45):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 (53:46):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:47):
What is the likelihood of Miscavige
remaining faithful to Shellysince she has been disappeared?
I'm guessing unlikely.
Yeah, I would say zero chance ofthat.
Personally, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 (53:58):
The um, we're back on me.
Um, the chances, the likelihoodis probably low, I'd say.

SPEAKER_00 (54:06):
Bump it out.

SPEAKER_04 (54:07):
But um Claire's bumping out.
Look, there she is.
She gone.
She gone.
She gone.
There you go.
Empty.
Um I don't think that he I mean,I don't know.
How can you?
She's in the middle of a vaultsomewhere in Washington or
California or New Mexico, whoknows which vault she's in these

(54:28):
days.
Um the two locations that we100% know that she was either at
or registered to live at was thethe place in it's called the
Church of Spiritual Technology,and it's they have these
underground bunkers.
This is real, this is reality.
Um, and that's where all of L.
Ron Hubbard's writings andrecordings are stored, etched

(54:51):
onto metal plates and recorded,mastered onto gold records.
And they have a solar recordplayer that's got a hand crank
on it, too.
If you want to listen to L.
Ron Hubbard at night, whicheverybody's gonna want to do
that when there's after theapocalypse.
Um, I just can't even imaginelistening to this fuddy duddy on
a solar-powered record playerwith gold records, by the way.

(55:15):
Now, I don't know thatScientology thought this
through, okay?
If you are at in thepost-apocalyptic world and you
get into one of these bunkers,which they obviously mean for
people to get into them afterthe apocalypse, if you break
into one of these bunkers or getinto one of these bunkers and
it's filled with titanium andgold, I'm not sure that you

(55:37):
ain't gonna be melting thoserecords down and using those as
a currency.
I don't know that Scientology isreally popular.
Okay.
Um, question Do you remember thefirst time you ever met
Miscavige?
Absolutely.
The first time that I ever metMiscavige was right outside the
Hollywood Guarantee Building.
Uh, it's in my book.

(55:58):
And I was with my um friendJesse Randstrom, who had joined
the Sea Org a year prior to me,and he was coming to the same
building that I was working atto get his clearances, his
security clearances through theSea Organization, to be able to
go work uh at the internationalheadquarters.
And he knew my friend Jesse knewDavid Miscavige from Clearwater

(56:21):
because he was in theCommodore's messenger
organization in Clearwater.
And so we were just walking downthe street after getting a piece
of pizza across the street fromthe uh HGB, and David Miscavige
was there, and he walked rightup to him and he was like, Yes,
sir, da-da-da.
And he was talking, and I wasjust hanging back, and then he
had a whole conversation withhim, and then I walked, uh, he
walked back to where I was, andthen we walked inside the

(56:42):
building, and I was like, Whowas that?
And he's like, That was COB.
And I was like, Who the who'sCOB?
Like, I had no clue who DavidMiscavige was.
And then um, and then we went umback to Muster.
He went off to do his securityclearances, and I went back to
my organization to where we haveMuster after every meal.
You gotta line up so they cancount all the chickens, uh,

(57:04):
Seoric chickens.
And um, and uh Rena Weinberg wasthe executive director of Able
at the time, and she's like, COBis in the building.
If anybody, you gotta tell us.
And I was like, Oh yeah, no shithe's in the building.
I just we just talked to himoutside on the sidewalk, and
everybody was like freaking out.
Like, you've got to tell us ifyou had a conversation with COB.

(57:24):
Um, yeah, it was a lot.
Okay, uh, thank you, Alex.
Um dump bump do.
Question Did you ever go to theHemet Mall Wild Family 1996?
Thanks for that.
Um, yes, uh, so we did have um afew hours on Sunday morning
where we were supposed to do ourlaundry, and a lot of people
would do their laundry duringthe week because there's just

(57:46):
you know, there's 400 peopletrying to do their laundry in
three machines.
So you would do it if you alldid it at the same time, you
wouldn't end up doing it.
So um some people would just dotheir laundry early in the week,
make their bed, and then jamover to the mall.
The mall, I had a skateboard uhfor a while, and I also had a

(58:07):
bike at that time, I think.
And you could ride to the mallin like five, ten minutes.
And then um, yeah, we would goin the mall and look around and
mainly window shop.
Most of us didn't have anymoney.
But if you had a few bucks, Imean you could buy a pair of
tennis shoes or something likethat.
That's where you'd get it.
But almost everybody went toWalmart to do that because

(58:29):
Walmart was very, very cheap,and they had cheap shoes and
cheap t-shirts and cheapunderwear and stuff like that.
So most of the time we wouldjust go to Walmart to get that
stuff.
Um, but I don't ever remember Idon't ever remember really
buying anything at the mall.
I would save almost all of mymoney, and there was a record

(58:50):
store, I think it was calledFlorida Avenue.
There was a record store onFlorida Avenue, and that's where
I would do my shopping.
That's gonna do it for us thisweek, guys.
Thanks for everybody who joined.
Um, this uh video is gonnaredirect to the aftermath uh
channel for the foundation feed.
I think it's episode numbernine.
They're gonna do uh the secondpart of the interview with Ian

(59:12):
Rafanko, and uh we will see younext week, and we will do the uh
story we talked about next week.
So you guys are gonna love that.
So please tune in, like,subscribe, all that happy
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