Marc and Claire Headley explore the eerie similarities between Apple TV's hit show "Severance" and their 15 years as executives in Scientology's Sea Organization headquarters, finding the dystopian workplace drama to be a near-perfect parallel to their actual experiences.
• The show's core concept of "innies" and "outies" mirrors Sea Org life where members exist almost exclusively in work mode
• Founder "Kier Egan" clearly references L. Ron Hubbard, complete with busts, memorized quotes, and office spaces in every location
• "Break room" interrogations using the "woe meter" directly parallel Scientology's "ethics" interviews using the E-meter
• Clay demonstrations in "Severance" identical to mandatory clay modeling in Scientology courses
• "Wellness sessions" in the show reflect Scientology's TR bullbaiting where members must remain emotionless during provocations
• Scientology deliberately separates spouses by transferring them and falsely telling each that the other wants divorce
• The show's portrayal of surveys mirrors Scientology's exhaustive use of surveys for measuring public perception
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dream Yard.
Hey guys, welcome back to thechannel, welcome to another
episode of Scientology Storiesand, as it has been regularly
(00:24):
for the last two episodes, I'mjoined by my lovely wife, claire
.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Howdy hey, happy daylight savings to everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Happy jump forward day.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, spring forward.
Have we sprung forward?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh my gosh, I hate daylight savings in the org.
It was the worst.
It was the worst.
You get like maybe you get likefour or five hours of sleep on
a really good night.
You get four or five hours andthen you just that's it.
We're losing an hour.
And you're just like why?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
When you go from four to three, four hours to three
hours, that's a significant jump.
That's not just like oh, I wishI could have stayed in bed an
extra five minutes.
That's brutal.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know, not a lot of people know this we're
getting.
I'm going to get off and overit right now.
But sometimes Claire and Iwould get home so late Like we
would get home at like fouro'clock in the morning and I'd
have to get up at seven to go inat eight, or, you know, seven,
30 to go in at seven, 45.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And I had to get up at eight to go in at nine, so it
wasn't much difference for me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, so we would literally get home.
Maybe let's say I got home atfour, she got home at four, 30.
And then I'd be like you wantto watch a movie, I'll cook up
with some ramen and we'll watcha movie.
We would just have some ramen,watch a movie and just go take a
shower and go back to work,cause you're not going to.
(01:47):
It's worse when you, when you,when you go to sleep and you
know you have to get up, like intwo hours, it's just like by
the time I fall asleep, it'sgoing to be time to wake up
basically but hold on, if you'regoing to say that, you have to
break it down a little.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
First of all, we weren't supposed to have a TV,
but we did.
That's right.
Most TVs had been confiscatedmultiple times, but we just kind
of covered ours with a blanketor something like that it was a
plant.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It was a plant holder that turned into a TV.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, and we and we had it unplugged so that if
anyone ever came and inspected,it looked like we never used it.
So that was the rebel in you.
And then, in addition to that,nobody had access to movies
except you worked in the cinearea and systems.
Right.
So you did have access tomovies, because I remember when
(02:32):
you told me one day what movieswould you want to watch, I'm
like, are you for real Like anymovies?
And you were like, yeah,absolutely, just tell me what
movies you want to watch.
And I was like what?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because I was the pre-production director and I
was over the research department, they had to get as many movies
as possible into their libraryBecause you know, sometimes when
there's a really famous moviestar there at the property and
he says, oh, can you get thismovie, and we don't have it, we
look like knuckleheads.
So there was this brand newthing that came out.
(03:05):
It was called Netflix and I wasone of the very first people to
set up an account inScientology and I had it on the
nine DVD uh plan, and so we werejust getting DVDs in nonstop
and the research department hey,this was them.
This wasn't me.
I got the movies, that's all.
I was the supplier.
(03:28):
They would copy them.
We had a DVD copy machine andthey just put it in the copy
machine and they copied themovie and I think they made like
five copies at one time andthen they would put that in all
the different libraries andeverything and they'd send a
copy up to Department 21.
So that's David Miscavige,captain Davey, fake of the fake
Navy, and they would send up acopy to his office.
(03:51):
And there was a researchlibrary and that there was a
thing called the Cine libraryand anyway, we didn't start the
show.
We got to start the show.
We got like hey, where are you,where are you coming from today
?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're the one that got us all distracted.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying, I'm just
pointing out Likely story.
Look at this Today's word is any, and if you guys haven't seen
this show, severance, we'll kindof set it up, we'll explain it.
But if you want to enter intothe free giveaway for today,
just type hashtag I-N-N-I-E any,if you know, you know, and that
(04:33):
enters you into win whatevergiveaway we have for today or
whatever giveaway you want, Iguess.
Whatever it works, we're givingsomething away.
It's going to be whatever youwant it to be, from the blown
forget merch store.
Um, so that's going on.
Um, what else is happening?
What else happened?
Anything exciting happened thisweek um, not really.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We're gonna pop up and see who, uh where, people
are joining us from okay pop upsome comments perfect, good idea
.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
okay, so let me get this banner thing off here, so,
uh, we can do the commentswithout all this squirrely
McSquirrely stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, look, you read them, okay, and I'll just pop
them up Yep, voracious Reiter,astoria Queens, thank you for
joining us.
Hello from Pennsylvania,awesome West Texas, nice, it's
(05:30):
all a bit culty.
Valerie, there you go.
Lupita.
Lupita has some great, greatinput on our topic for today, p
ganson from los angeles.
Yeah, lupita, don't stop.
We love everything that you'reum bringing up.
This is going to be an amazingconversation.
The only problem is we're notgoing to be able to cover it all
.
So, lupita from Texas, there wego, awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So, sorry.
There's so many.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
West Virginia, I saw we did that one.
Yeah, northern California, nearShelley Dean Johnson, awesome.
Oh, copenhagen, nice.
Hello from Jax Florida, caseyin the house.
Hello from Chester, uk, nice.
Grand Rapids, michigan.
Awesome.
Berkshire, england, nice Becky.
(06:12):
Hello from Ontario, canada,nice, thanks for joining us,
haverhill.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh, it's Helen, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Helen, yay, good to see you here.
Sunny, southern, utah, nice,nice, awesome, and we did that
one Awesome Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Cool, there you go.
Well, those are all the onesthat start.
If you got, oh, here we go.
There's more, here's, I'm goinglive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Hello, from Detroit, I'm going live, doing live.
Okay, louisiana, nice, awesomeand Awesome, and Copenhagen,
very cool.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Nice, very cool.
Thanks guys, we appreciate it.
We, um, we have a lot of peoplethat watch from all over the
world, and that is why we dothis show at this time.
I know it's a little early inAustralia, but pretty much
everywhere else where we have alot of viewers.
Um, if we do it at this time,this is kind of like the most
popular time per YouTube.
It tells us when people arewatching on certain days, and
(07:05):
today, in the middle of the dayon a Sunday, is the best time
for everybody, including us,cause we have, we have work and
we have everything else.
That's the other thing I wasgoing to say.
I've been out of town for, likeI don't know, probably four or
five weeks in about as manyStates and um, and so Claire did
(07:26):
a really nice thing for meright after last week's video.
She booked me a massage, and itwas at one of these fruit fruit
places.
Like somebody got her, uh, agift for this place and then she
got me one.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Anyway, um, like any loving wife would do, honey
anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I I go to this place and, um, I hadn't really
eaten anything.
I don't eat until dinner time.
Each day.
I have a coffee in the morningand then I have a water for
lunch and then I have dinner andthat's it.
I'm not supposed to eatanything else, otherwise I turn
into uh, you know, they had tobutter my hips to pop me through
doorways and stuff, and it'stoo much.
Anyway, I go to this massageplace and it's very fancy, dancy
(08:10):
and the, the, the gals leadingme to the like I guess the
lockers or something and shesays do you want a drink or
something?
And I go oh yeah, because thesegals, they're doing mimosas and
whatever sparkling water I'mlike no, I'm good.
And then and I'm I'm hungry,though I was thinking about it
on the way over there, anyway,Cause it's already like three
o'clock in the afternoon by now.
(08:31):
It's late, I'm kind of like ohman, I'm a little hungry.
Anyway, you know, your brainplays tricks on you.
Because she said do you wantsomething to drink?
And then I got no, I'm fine.
And then she goes would youlike a Reuben sandwich?
And I thought to myself there'sno way they're cooking up
(08:51):
sandwiches in this, in thisjoint, and right before the
massage.
I'm like it doesn't make anysense.
My brain is thinking this.
But then my brain's also likenot a Reuben guy, but I would do
a BLT, like all day long.
So I say my brain is notcomprehending this right.
So I know, I know not to trustit.
And whenever somebody sayssomething and I don't get it, I
say the who, that's my thing,whatever I've done that my whole
(09:14):
life.
The who, no matter what it isAnyway.
So she says would you like aReuben sandwich?
I think about all this and I gothe who.
And then I'm thinking I reallywant to say no, but I'll take a
BLT.
But then I don't.
I stopped myself, I controlledmy, I put my filter in, which is
rare for me anyway and then Isaid the who and she says would
(09:35):
you like a robe and sandals?
And I go oh a robe and sandals.
I literally said it out loudlike that oh a robe and sandals.
And I thought, oh my gosh, Igot to just eat a sandwich man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Anyway, thank God you didn't.
I know I would have got reallyembarrassed, can you?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
imagine if I would have said that.
She said would you like a robeand sandals?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I said no, but I'll have a BLT.
I would have paid really goodmoney to see the look on her
face.
No, but I'll have a BLT Maybewhat moscow?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
with that blt as opposed to robin sandals yeah,
could you imagine?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
oh my god, that would have been the worst.
I could have never gone backthere ever again.
That would have been the storyat the place.
Since one dude came in lastweek.
He asked for a BLT right beforehis massage.
Instead of a Rube, yeah, sothat's how you know it's been a
long month.
Yeah, you know your brain islike playing tricks.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, and, by the way , we said that we would be
trying to get back at least oncea week.
But I do need to submit mycompleted staff work to you,
honey, that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I will be absent next week.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's okay, we'll go road next week.
Just me in the chat, do it,live it up.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We'll just do um, we'll just do a Q and a for an
hour.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There you go, perfect .
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Um, okay, um, we did the banner right.
We did the thing.
You got to put your thing in.
We'll do that at the end, yeah,okay, so do you want to explain
?
So I'll just set it up, becauseshe's actually watched the show
the whole, like she's reallyinto the show.
I watched the first season andafter one season I was like this
(11:22):
is too much, like it was toocrazily Like this is.
I was like this is too much,like it was too crazily, like
this is.
I was doing this for 15 years,like that's how it was for me.
I don't really get kind oftriggered by anything.
I don't think I'm not really Idon't really care, I'm kind of
easy, whatever, yeah, but thisthing really kind of bothered me
and the show is calledSeverance.
(11:42):
It's on Apple TV and it'sbasically about this company and
they put a little chip inpeople's heads when they go to
work.
They only know about work.
They don't know about theirother life.
It's like another hard drivethat they don't have access to
when they're in work, and so,and they work, they don't really
(12:04):
know what they're doing.
They're all siloed and they're.
And then when they go back inthe elevator is where, like the,
the electronics are thattrigger, the chip like an rfid
thing or whatever?
Yeah, and so when they go um inthe elevator and they get out
to go out of the place, theythey turn back into their real
self in the outside world andthey call that the outie.
(12:26):
And then the person that'sinside when you're at work,
you're an innie.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, which is a completely separate person and
personality, and obviously itgoes without saying, if you
haven't watched the show, we'reabsolutely going to spoiler
alert we're going to talk aboutthis, so deep dive yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So, but Claire watched, she's watched both
seasons.
She's like caught up with theshow wherever it's at.
In the second season I onlywatched the first season and
then I'm like I'm out, I'm good,I get it.
I was I this, like it's likethis is a documentary about
where I worked Basically.
I was I this like it's likethis is a documentary about
where I worked Basically.
I don't need to know anymore.
I know everything that's goingto happen.
And the crazy thing is is that,more than the second season,
(13:12):
like if the first season waslike it's similar and then
somebody says, oh, I was in acult, it was similar to my cult
too.
Now I'm telling you, in seasontwo, they, they let, they stop
pulling punches, they, literallythere's all kinds of stuff and
so yeah, it gets just absolutelycrazy.
So just to set it up.
So that's basically the show,and there's all kinds of other.
(13:36):
You got to watch the show tounderstand some of the stuff,
but if you've seen the show,we're going to tell you the
things that are either stolen oror or based off of.
I wouldn't say inspired or or sosimilar that it's impossible it
could be anything else.
We're going to go through thosethings, and then Claire will
(13:57):
have one and I'll have one.
Like, I've only seen the firstseason, but I've, I know I've
read a bunch of stuff about theshow, and there's a ton of
people we're not the only peopleto notice this.
There's a gazillionex-Scientologists out there that
are like oh yeah, that'stotally Scientology Like just no
question, no question, it'sScientology.
(14:19):
And the thing I wanted to tellyou, though, was, in the, the
Sea Org, and I'll just set upthat's the show.
Now, this is the Sea Org.
You're there from eight in themorning till midnight, at least
every single day.
You don't have any outside lifeat all, and you're not allowed
(14:39):
to talk about stuff.
You're not allowed to talkabout Xenu and body Thetans and
uh, and you're not allowed totalk about Zinu and body thetans
, and you're not allowed to talkabout anything in your own
counseling to anyone else.
Period.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, even going so far as your Audi is not even
allowed to tell your familynecessarily what you do, who you
interact with, where we evenphysically worked, like our
families did not know physicallywhere we worked for 14 years.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, we would send everything from a Hollywood
address and they would sendeverything to a Hollywood
address 6331 Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
California 90028.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Or 1710 Ivor Avenue, 1700.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
If you worked in RTC, your office was on the other
side of the building, so onestreet was on Hollywood
Boulevard and the other streetwas on Ivar.
If you worked in RTC, then youraddress was on Ivar and if you
worked in Golden Air Productionsyour address was on Hollywood
Boulevard.
Like it was a different place.
It was the same exact buildingand the mail all went to the
(15:45):
exact same door on Ivar Anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And it went in the same van to the same property.
It was ridiculous.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But, but, but the.
You don't in the Sea Org.
This is the only thing that Iwill say.
In the Sea Org, you're the.
The only thing you are is theinnie.
There is no outie, you're onlyan innie.
And maybe one or two days ayear when you would go and see
(16:14):
your family, you would be anoutie.
So the show is the same, exceptit's split like half and half.
In the Sea Org it's like 99%slash one.
That's it.
You don't live most seorgmembers at the internet, and let
me preface this also by sayingat the international
headquarters, because at theinternational headquarters you
weren doing an eight to midnightevery day.
(16:51):
In the Sea Org you're basicallya slacker.
You're a nobody worker.
Bc Org member.
You're not one of the moversand shakers, sea Org members
that are staying up two, threenights a week, going home at
four, coming in at seven.
So there was different.
Even at this place there wereplenty of Sea Org members that
(17:12):
would do that.
They would just come in atbreakfast and leave it on the 11
o'clock bus and that's whatthey did, and everybody knew who
those guys were.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Right, and also there was the very firm no
fraternizing rule.
So it's not like you ever wouldbe like oh hey, how's it going?
Chit chat, none of that.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, there's, no, there's no, like hey, you want
to come over and party on.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Saturday.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, if you basically anything that you did, like it
was the outside world, like ifyou did something it would be,
they would call, they had a wordfor it.
It was like being a walk and Iknow in some places walks a bad
word in the C organization or inScientology.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It just means somebody who's not in
Scientology which I think wasintentional by Hubbard, to take
a bad word and turn it intosomething that Scientologists
just rolls off their tonguewithout even thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Totally, that makes sense.
That's a good.
I never thought about it likethat.
But yeah, he turned a bad wordinto a bad word in Scientology.
Yeah, Anyway, if you were, ifyou were doing a hundred hours,
120 hours a week as a Sea Orgmember, that was normal, and so
it's like you're always theAnnie.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's all I wanted to say yeah, no, absolutely, and
your ability to even interactwith people in the outside world
just deteriorates as a resultof that.
Like you, um, or you're uh,become more and more scripted to
what you're allowed to say toyour family.
You know all that stuff totally, we have all the.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You actually get trained in the sea organization
on what the shore stories are.
So we're at sea and we're doinga secret mission and when we go
to land we have to have a shorestory for the locals.
So when they ask us questionsand stuff, we just just go oh
yeah, we do all of.
I mean it's so funny now that Ithink about it.
But we produce all of the mediaand print and publications and
(19:12):
materials for Scientologyworldwide and you're just like
okay.
And so then when somebody asksyou, you just whatever, you just
that's the story.
No matter and that was actuallythe story, for no matter where
you worked at the internationalbase, even if you were in
religious technology center, youwere part of the studios, you
were part of the mediaproduction you were part of you
know.
Or if you worked ininternational management, we do
(19:34):
all the promotion forScientology internationally.
Whatever it was, it was somevariation of this shore story.
If you went into town andsomebody at walmart was like hey
, where do you work at thatscientology place?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
right.
What are they?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
doing up in there do you?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
is it true?
You have machine guns in thegolf course?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
that was the biggest thing, is it true?
There's machine guns in thatmain booth on the highway, you
guys shooting guns at people.
Anyway, it was wild, okay.
So I guess I will do this youcan say one, and then I'll say
one, and we'll just go back andforth and we will at the end,
(20:12):
when we get near the end of this.
Are we still live?
Is anybody hearing us?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Testing, testing.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Are we on?
Are you there?
If we get to the end, we'll dothe giveaway and if you guys
have some really good commentsor questions, we'll try to put
them up and if there's somethingwe didn't answer, then we'll
say it too.
And there's other ex-SEERGmembers in the comments and
they're answering people'squestions.
Catherine's in there and if youare watching and you have
(20:45):
answers or you have something,get in the comments that we're
all here, we're live.
This is we're doing this rightnow.
There's no other.
Just so you guys know, do Ihave this other thing?
There's no other buddy here,it's just me and Claire.
This is the whole.
This is the whole show.
Okay, I'm doing the video andthe audio and the mixing and all
this, the live and the bannerand Claire's, that's it, and
(21:06):
there's a few people helping usin the background.
We got Clara and Catherine inhere, doing the work.
But yeah, it's just us Again.
There's no big productionhappening behind here.
Okay, yeah, I just saw thisthing.
What a horrific way.
Okay, yeah, it's way, it's.
I just saw this thing.
What a what a horrific way tolive, yeah, so that'll be the
(21:27):
last thing, and then we'll lettell Claire start telling one.
We worked there.
I worked there from 1989.
I worked in Los Angeles andthen I moved to the
international base early 1990.
And I was there from 1990 toJanuary 2005.
So 15 years, 89 to 2005, 15years.
(21:48):
And then how long were youthere, babe?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh gosh.
Well, I was born intoScientology.
I was in the Sea Org from fourto 10.
I was at the headquarters from91 until 2005.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm asking her, she's like telling me all this.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, I know, but you know that's part of my.
My story that's different thanyours.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I know, but just tell me how long you were in any.
Okay, I don't need to knowabout the, the, the, the warmup,
sure, okay, so that's a longtime.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It is yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
For both of us that was so and, like she said, she
was born into it, I grew up init, so we were basically in
Scientology our whole lives.
Yeah, but the C organizationwas about 15 years for me and 13
years for you, right?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah 13.
Yeah, wow, not counting thecadet org, but yeah, 30.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh yeah, not counting the cadet org, but yeah, 30.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's why it was relevant honey.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I get it.
It makes sense, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But you know what you know.
It's funny I forgot about shewas in the theater when she was
a little baby that you knowsucks to suck, you're right.
But also I think it's importantin the context of what we're
talking about today, because itoccurred to me while you were
talking the longer we were inthese, the harder it was to
(23:10):
consider being an Audi 100%, andthis is purpose.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
This was deliberate.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes, planned.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You are in a bubble and you don't know what goes on
outside the bubble.
You don't know how to get a job.
You don't have a bank account,you don't have a driver's
license, you're, you don't havea high school diploma, you don't
have anything.
And they, they make you knowthat.
Like, if you leave, what do you?
Where are you gonna go?
(23:39):
What are you gonna do?
You're gonna live with yourparents.
You're gonna like.
Will they even let you?
You know, it's like there'snothing for you to go do so and
I.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
In our case, our parents would have just turned
us back in yeah, they, well,they, yeah, they would have.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If they knew where we were, they would have turned us
.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean my mother did that to my uncle.
My uncle, franco sullivan, whoworks at St Hill, escaped.
That's right, and my mothertracked him down, found out that
he was with my uncle who wasnever in Scientology, and turned
him in and he got drugged backand he's still there to this day
.
It's really sad.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
That's why it's called blown for good, because
when people blow, there's peoplethat have blown the Sea
organization nine times andthey've gotten them back nine
times.
So, um, crazy, okay, you do anexample, what's your first?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
okay, and so I think just to, for context, mine is in
no particular sequence ofimportance, um, but, and again,
we've talked about what the showis about and the context of it,
even from the very first sceneof season one, where you have
this woman laying on the tableand she's just gone through the
(24:52):
severance procedure.
So she's in a conference roomlaying on the table, face down,
unconscious, and then kind ofcomes to and this voice comes
out of nowhere and um says hey,you on the table, who are you
which?
And again, watching this fromthe perspective of um.
(25:13):
So in Scientology there's theethics conditions, and when
you're um in a condition meaningyou're not performing, you've
been misbehaving, you're anon-believer, you're showing
your true colors, whatever,whatever variation of that, one
of the lower conditions is thecondition of enemy, which is,
find out who you really are.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, it's wild, that's a crazy like.
Even if you just saw that, youwould go like that's weird,
because it's one of the lowerconditions.
You have to find that outbefore you can move up.
Okay, One of the things is theyhave this Keir guy who's like
the, he's the founder, he's thesource Keir Egan, keir Egan.
(25:58):
And they have pictures of himall over the place and they have
busts of him and he, everythingthat he said is the gospel and
they, uh they commit things thathe said to memory and memorize
it and just sayings about dumbstuff, um, and and it's and it's
(26:18):
part of their everyday languagelike it's and it's part of
their everyday language, Likeit's, not just like, oh, I don't
know it's just like, oh, you,complete counseling, you have to
write a success story and you,it's basically, it's basically
(26:46):
you signing off that everythingyou did you wanted to do and
then you had a great time doingit.
And so if ever in the futureyou're like I hated this place
and it sucked, and you're like,well then, why did you write all
these glowing reviews everythree weeks of your entire
career about everything you weredoing?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Which, by the way, is not even a theoretical example.
That's what they did during ourlawsuits.
They were like here read yoursuccess story that you wrote
when you were 14 years old.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, but the thing is is, in order to complete
anything, you have to write asuccess story and you have to
give this glowing review and atthe end of it you always say
thank you to L Ron Hubbard andthank you to David.
It's expected that you writethis and it's a glowing review
and then you thank these people.
But it's just something you'realways um, if you don't know
(27:36):
what to do in life, they have athing what would LRH do?
And it's a thing you'resupposed to think about.
That's your mantra oh, I don'tknow what to do, what would LRH
do?
And so they have all theselittle things.
So they have in the severance.
It's basically they're doingall that stuff.
So to me that was just like Idon't know man and, by the way,
(27:57):
I've seen about four other cultsbe like oh, this is about my
cult, so it might just be a cultthing.
Yeah, scientology is got somuch of this stuff that they had
just a wealth of information topull from.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, perhaps it's satire of cults in general, but
certainly Scientology, if Ithink anyone would agree.
If you were to rate how cultyis my cult that I escaped from,
it's pretty high up there on thescale.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It totally is.
And another funny thing is thatBen Stiller is the director.
He's the main guy running thisshow and he's punked on Tom
Cruise in the past and I thinkTom Cruise and him are actually
friendly and they've done stufftogether and so it's kind of a
crazy thing.
It's like Paul Thomas Andersonshooting a movie maybe Tom
(28:50):
Cruise's best movie Magnoliawhere best his best acting
performance, arguably one of thebest with Paul Thomas Anderson
and then getting to know PaulThomas Anderson, and then
getting to know Paul ThomasAnderson and becoming very
friendly, and then Paul Tom PaulThomas Anderson directing the
master the movie with.
I think I can't remember hisname.
(29:11):
Colonel Dodd or whatever, thePhil Seymour.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That was so good.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Phil Seymour Hoffman character, but to me it's kind
of like that.
And also in Hollywood everybodyknows Scientologists and if
you're in Hollywood and you'rein the business, there's a lot
of Scientologists that are thatare.
They got their fingers in allkinds of little pies.
You got the Meskimens and yougot the, you had the Mastersons
(29:39):
and the Tom Cruise, johnTravolta, so there's a lot of
people that are Scientologyadjacent.
So you do have a lot of actorsand actresses in Hollywood that
are getting into Scientology.
They're doing courses, they'renetworking, they're trying to
get jobs, they're trying to geta commercial.
They're trying to get a KellyDaniels man.
(30:00):
If you do Kelly Daniels course,you're going to get a type
commercial next week.
Man Residuals Um, there's in in.
In Hollywood it's all aboutgetting a credit.
It doesn't matter what it is,you just need a credit.
Can I get a producer credit?
Can I get a acting credit?
Can I get a writing credit?
Can I get the only one?
It it's a, it's like a, it'sthe.
(30:21):
It's a main commodity inHollywood that you got to get.
You got to get something to puton your resume because that's
how you're going to get anothersomething.
And then, hopefully, if you getX amount of somethings, then
you get a big something.
It's just, it's a crazy worldand Scientology they feed right
into that.
(30:42):
They are so tapped into the Idon't know what you call it
transactional relationships andif you do this, then I'll do
that, and it's with the police,and it's with the writers and
the directors and the actors,and they have a and the
politicians the writers and thedirectors and the actors, and
(31:04):
they have a and the politicianthe politician adam schiff and
aaron batts, and you knowwhoever the latest person is.
They totally work it and they doit in such a crazy way.
So the fact that they're doingthis show and you know, you
almost know, it's dunking onScientology- yeah, I mean it's
impossible.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
even more so, like you said, you haven't seen
season two and we won't we won'tspoil everything in terms of
going deep dive, cause wewouldn't want to have time
anyway, but even more so.
I mean, it's just there's noway you could not see the many
parallels and the many examples.
But also I just think that someof the, the way that it, the
(31:46):
way that severance really showsyou the layers and the, the, the
mental numbing like of you know, just looking away from things
that you're like wait what?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Totally Like when they had the clay, I was like,
well, hey, I was like inScientology.
Whenever you do a course,there's probably I don't know
every five or six differentactions.
You have to read something, youhave to demonstrate something
with what's called ademonstration kit, a demo kit,
and then every once in a whileyou have to clay demo a concept
(32:20):
and you have to make littlepeople and somebody has to come
up to your concept and look atit and say the concept.
So you can't just phone it in.
You've got to really make apicture in your mind and then
visualize that and model that inclay, and it's called a clay
demo.
And it's everyone in Scientology.
(32:41):
If you've been in for five daysor five years, you've done some
clay demos and um, and you getclay all over your hands and
it's just a giant nightmare.
Thank goodness for baby wipes.
When baby wipes came out, claydemos were revolutionized
because you could clean up afteryourself very well with clay.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, oh.
And by the way, just to beclear, it could not be
plasticine.
That was forbidden by Hubbard.
It had to be actual clay.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, there's like an entire or Play-Doh.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It couldn't be Play-Doh, it couldn't be
anything that's easy to workwith.
It had to be clay.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, modeling clay was cold.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
If the clay was cold, then you.
Then it was going to take youtwice as long to do your clay
demo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's so funny that you say cold, because at the
International Base it's in thedesert, right.
So we had two types of claydemos.
We had oh my God, you'rebeating the clay with a hammer.
There was actually hammers androlling pins at the clay demo
(33:46):
play table so you could work theclay and then it's.
That was in the winter, it wasjust literally.
It's like 25 degrees out andyou're out.
The clay demo area was outsideand it had a patio over it and
the old qual.
So you would be outside,basically in a in an outdoor
patio, and it's 25 degrees andit's impossible.
It would take you three hoursto do something.
It should probably take youfive minutes anyway.
And then the other one was inAugust.
(34:08):
You just come out and sometimesif you do a clay demo,
sometimes a clay demo could takeyou like five or six hours.
You only have the study periodsonly two and a half hours a day
.
So you'd have to start, youlike'd like you could be reading
something and da da, da, da, dada, and then I could, half an
hour before course is over, youwould go from seven to 1030.
That's when course was everyday, 7.00 PM to 1030 at night.
(34:30):
Cause why not study thefounders uh, sacred knowledge
when you're dead tired and readyto go to sleep.
Anyway, that's when study timewas, because that's when people
are least productive and alsohalf the people are sleeping in
the course room in these placestoo.
Anyway, you join a clay demo,sure, and you start like a half
(34:54):
an hour before you got to go andthen you leave it there it's.
It's like 10 o'clock at night.
It's cold, it's a little cold,it's fine.
Well, tomorrow it's going to be120.
And you come to course the nextnight and there's just a pool
where this thing you spent ahalf an hour putting together,
it's just a pool of clay.
You're like, eh, I'm going todo that again.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Anyway, so that's mine, that's.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Clay, what do you got Okay?
So I just wanted to tap inagain and comment about Keir
Egan.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
So first of all, we're going to get through like
three things.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's what I said and this is not my point, by the
way, so this doesn't count formy turn.
I just wanted to say, obviously, first of all, keir Egan it's
an unusual name, as is LafayetteRonald Hubbard.
Second of all, one of the firstscenes when the innie is
arriving to work, you see thegiant bust of Keir or the giant
(35:53):
diagram or picture of Keir Eganin the lobby, and then there's
busts, which of course, coursethere are there's.
I mean, I've been looking atbusts of l ron hubbard since I
was six and even when I waslittle I was like that dude is
kind of ugly, like well, hisnose and his mouth, and I was
just like why do they have thesethings everywhere?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
it's a policy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think there has to be a bust in every single
scientology organization thatexists there has to be a bus and
there has to be an office inevery single Scientology
organization that exists.
There has to be a bust andthere has to be an office for L.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Ron Hubbard.
Yeah, and usually the bust isoutside the office or something
like that, or sometimes they'rein the office, I don't know, but
there has to be a bust andthere has to be an L Ron Hubbard
office in every singleScientology organization.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And it's always roped off Nobody can go in there.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, it's got a red velvet rope across the door and
you look in there and it's good.
There's an e-meter set up athis desk and a typewriter over
here and his books and all hisnew material and you're just
like, and that's in every singleplace.
And you know that's part oftheir scam.
Whenever they come out with newmaterials, every organization
has to buy a new set just forhis office.
(37:01):
It's like there's a constantcircular money thing.
Okay, well, you burned yourthing.
No, I didn't.
You burned your thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
No, so back on to surveys.
We're going to talk about theuse of surveys in severance.
So again back to the woman islaying on the table.
It's Heli.
Heli is her name, and the voiceagain comes out of nowhere and
says I wondered if you'd mindtaking a brief survey.
And again it's.
(37:28):
It just was a flashback for meto the, as you said.
But at the end of each courseyou'd be asked would you want
someone else to have theknowledge you now have?
Like that exact question,exactly as I said, it is
dictated by L Ron Hubbard, orthe alternate version is would
(37:49):
you want someone else to havesimilar gains to yours?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Like seriously surveys all the time.
Anyway, that's my one.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Okay, good, Well, I get to do a follow-up on your
one.
Sure, Because you did afollow-up on my one, Fair, Okay.
So whenever Scientology isstarting in a new area or
they're trying to do something,they do surveys.
They hire companies to dosurveys, they do their own
surveys.
They have people that haveclipboards, that are out on the
(38:19):
street asking questions and theyhave this in it.
It's actually called the surveynetwork, and so they have
people everywhere in the worldand their job is to do surveys.
I don't know if it's a big thingnow.
It used to be huge in the 80sand in the 90s and they would
use these people.
So international managementwould say we want to know about
(38:39):
this.
What do the public that's whatthey refer to as basically
potential new Scientologists thepublic or people that are going
to give them money.
They refer to those people asthe public or people that are
going to give them money.
They refer to those people asthe public.
And if it's not a Scientologykind of field where they have
people that they're marketing to, they call those people raw
(39:02):
public, not their public, buttheir raw public, and that's
somebody who doesn't know aboutScientology.
And so they have raw publicsurveys and they have public
surveys and they ask all thesequestions and then they get all
these answers back.
And so they have raw publicsurveys and they have public
surveys and they ask all thesequestions and then they get all
these answers back and then theygo.
Okay, we did.
And this is L Ron Hubbard wassuper hardcore into surveys.
He just talked about surveysnonstop.
(39:23):
And so the idea was, if youknow what the people want, then
you can tailor your marketing tothat exact thing and to the
buttons.
So the buttons that the peoplehave.
So the button that comes upwith is people want to know what
is Scientology, and so thenthey do ads that they say what
(39:48):
is Scientology and then they'regoing to tell you what it is.
And I do the Jason voicebecause Jason did a lot of
voiceovers and he would say yes,you should do Scientology.
If you don't know that, I'mtalking about Jason Begay from
Chicago PD.
He was a big time Sino when wewere there, Anyway.
(40:09):
So L Ron Hubbard really washardcore on the surveys and they
do surveys in there.
Okay, that was a lot for afollow-up.
Yeah, it was Okay, break room.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So in Severance they have this thing called the break
room.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
AKA Department 3, AKA the ethics office.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, so in the break room they basically just get
interrogated and they record itas well, and it's sort of a
confessional type ofinterrogation.
So, just like scientology hasthis thing called a security
check, and they have a thingcalled an interrogation, and
they have a thing called anethics interview, and they're
all kind of just a cousin of theother and they are recorded on
(40:55):
video and audio.
Actually, a lot of people don'tknow this.
If you're in a Scientologyorganization that's a new one
Every single counseling sessionis recorded on audio and video
in the world.
It doesn't matter if you're TomCruise or if you're Billy Bob
from Kentucky.
Your sessions, your counselingsessions, your confessionals,
(41:17):
are all recorded and they'redigitally stored.
I know because I set up hundredsand hundreds and hundreds of
these rooms with cameras twocameras, one microphone and like
basically a digital capturesystem that feeds to a server,
anyway.
And so in Severance they havethis thing called the break room
it's literally identical and aspart of that they have this
(41:39):
thing called the woe meter andyou basically hold these two
things in your hands and thismeter measures your responses
while they're giving you aninterrogation.
Are you kidding me?
Scientology has a thing calledthe e-meter and they you hold
two things in your hands and theperson asking the questions is
(42:00):
running like a little controlpanel.
It looks like an easy bake oven.
I kid you, not just Google easybake oven and then Google mark
eight quantum e-meter and you'regoing to see it too easy bake
ovens.
So the similarity between theshow and Scientology, like that.
Okay, even if you just saidnothing else like oh yeah, we
(42:21):
had.
We do clay in my cult.
Oh, we do.
We worship the founder of mycult.
Oh, we, we do surveys.
Do you have a frickingelectronic meter that measures
your responses while gettinginterrogated?
If you do, let us know.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, no, it's one of those.
If you do, you might be inScientology.
You are likely in Scientology.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Like.
For me that's just like.
Oh, come on, like.
Even up until that point I waslike whatever, these are all
just regular weird things, yeah,and they also talk regular
weird things, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And they also talk about break room hacks too.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Totally, and that you know what.
That's the best thing ever.
If you like, I'll just tell youif you ever read my book.
My break room hack is I went toa Depeche Mode concert at the
Rose Bowl.
It was called Concert 101 fromthe Music for the Masses album,
and I was front row center.
(43:16):
This is pre-Seahawk.
I was like 13, I guess what wasit?
13 or 14, whatever.
It was a spiritual experiencefor me.
Sacred, it was very sacred.
Anyway, it rained during thesong sacred, that's a song.
It rained and then stoppedraining.
(43:38):
There's it was.
It was crazy.
Anyway, I'm front row centerfor that.
Um, I'm a huge tepech mode fan,still to this day.
Um, and so whenever I wasgetting getting a security check
, getting interrogated, I Iwould just think about that
concert and got through a lot ofinterrogations with no
(43:59):
problemos, and so that was sortof my go-to break room hack and
that, literally, like when I wasin the deepest of deepest
troubles, I was just likesailing through those
interrogations.
Nobody could like.
Literally, people would call meout like dude, what the hell?
And if you, they think you'redoing break room hacks, if they
think you're manipulating themeter or doing it, they have a
(44:22):
whole set of questions to smokeyou out of that, so that if
you're doing it, basically inScientology, the, the, the deck
of cards is they give you, isyou, they give you the deck, and
then they make you build it.
And so, if you know, if youthink you're in trouble, you're
in trouble.
If you think you're not introuble, you're not in trouble.
(44:42):
And so as long as you fall forthe bullshit, then they'll get
you.
But if you're just like I knowthis is bullshit, we're playing
a game and I'm going to play itwith my rules, then it works
fine.
So break room hack.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, and also, just to add on to the darkness of the
break room scenes, they showhow Mark Scout the boss guy,
yeah, not me.
Yeah, not Mark, not Mark Hedley.
Mark Scout was trying toprotect Heli.
(45:25):
Yeah, not me.
Dark, eerie scene where they'resaying they have to say the
same statement over and, overand over again and, uh, the
ethics officer is like nope, youdidn't mean it.
Not enough feeling all thisother stuff.
Anyway, crazy, crazy.
All right, so now it's my turnyeah, okay so the next one I'm
(45:45):
going to talk about is thewellness wellness room, the
wellness sessions, and, um, andthe spooky part about this is
that the wellness counselor,jemma, which what she called
miss casey down there I thinkthey have different names too um
(46:06):
, she is actually the main guy'swife who he thought died in a
in a car accident.
Yeah, so this is some kind ofweird social experiment, and you
do.
They haven't actually shown youwhat the end, the end game, is
yet, but either way, they'rekind of like studying the fact
(46:29):
that mark down in it marks anyhas no idea who gemma is.
None whatsoever.
Um, and the wellness like thewhole thing about the wellness
break room.
Um, hold on, let me find itreal quick.
I have.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Well, I'm gonna just say one thing while you're
looking for that.
Yeah, the other thing is sothey tell so there's a guy and a
gal that are.
They're both in the real worldtogether and they're both in the
severance world, but they don'tknow each other, as in the
severance world as husband andwife, but they're married in the
outside world, but in theinside world she.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
She was killed in a car accident.
Well that's the reason he choseto get severed is to cut
himself off from that grief.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Okay, good, but the thing is is that they tell her
that he's remarried and has kidsand they tell him that she died
in a car accident.
They're both alive, they'reboth fine, so in the outside
world she's dead to him, butthen he's talking to her in the
inside world and she's not hiswife in that world, so he
(47:33):
doesn't know who she is.
The crazy thing about this isthat in Scientology they do this
thing where they split upcouples.
They send one to Keokuk andthen they have one at the
international base or whatever.
And then they tell the wife, oh,your husband wants a divorce.
And then they tell the husband,oh, your wife wants a divorce.
And then they get to, neitherone of them wanted a divorce,
(47:55):
but they tell each other thatthey want a divorce and it's
like, oh, screw you, I'm notgoing to see you again anyway.
So you know, sucks to be you.
And then when those people thenget out of the seawork and then
they meet MacGuffin, they'relike, well, you wanted a divorce
, like yeah, I never wanted todo it.
They do that.
They do that in the seaboard.
And when that happens in theshow, I'm just like, oh, another
(48:17):
one.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
You're just like, really, come on, seriously, like
this is so wild, um yep anyway,the one last one, I think well,
hold on, we're not done withwellness, remember no so there's
.
There's also quotes everywhere.
Um, so even in the wellnesslike entrance lounge area, on
(48:40):
the wall it says tame thytempers, let not weakness live
in your veins.
Um, and they have this wholething where they give the
wellness counselor givescomments like your outtie loves
to take a walk on the beach, andif there's any reaction then
they get points taken off andthey get less time with the
(49:00):
wellness counselor, which is sosimilar to bull bait, trs.
You know all of that kind ofnonsense, yeah, no reaction.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You're not allowed to read, you can't, and when
you're in the sea or you can'treact to stuff, there's so much
craziness going.
I think they knew there wasgoing to be a level of nonsense
that would be unprecedented, andthey basically we have to numb
these people to the amount ofnonsense.
Yeah, Because you, there's thecraziest things happen and
you're just like you're going to, you're going to go to lunch,
(49:30):
you know, are you going to?
Are we going to go to lunch?
Are we not going to go to lunchCause this happened?
Or can we still go to lunch?
Like who cares?
You guys just got in a fightand one of you broke your arm.
Can we go to lunch now?
Like whatever?
Um, just like like.
Oh, did you hear?
Tom chopped his finger off thetable?
Saw what?
What?
Anyway, you want to get somechips?
(49:51):
What do you want?
You're going to catch the bus,it's almost 1230.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
We laugh, but it's awful too.
It has occurred to me inretrospect that the ideal Sea
Org member is an android like,devoid of all emotions, devoid
of everything, devoid of anypersonal commitments, any you
know personal relationships.
You don't have friends youdon't have partners.
(50:17):
None of that.
The best is just be completelyisolated and completely focused
on the protocols of Keir Egan,aka L Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, you know, I'm just to say the other thing is,
if you do have like thoughtsabout something else outside of
Scientology, like if you have agenuine like oh, I think I want
to do this or I want to do that,that is literally a point that
they a piece of leverage thatthey can then use against you
because it's it's not okay to bethinking that.
So if you voice interest or yousay like you know, I always
(50:51):
wanted to get a jet ski, or youknow I always wanted to do this,
they'd be like oh okay, soyou're like, what do they call
it?
Speaker 2 (50:58):
off purpose other fish to fry no, no um wog, no,
not.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Uh, first dynamic oriented.
Like you see, it's all about me.
So, yeah, that's the firstdynamic in Scientology of the
eight dynamics.
If you want to do something foryou, then that's first dynamic
oriented.
Or they had another one.
It was called PTS to the middleclass.
Like you want a house, you wantkids, you want a dog, you want
(51:26):
a nice car, you want a nice car.
Then you were PTS to the middleclass and that was a potential
trouble source.
So the middle class was yoursuppressive person and you're a
potential trouble source becauseyou want to be like that, you
want to be, you want to havethings.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, you're being influenced.
You're being unduly influencedby the outside world, rather
than focusing completely onpolicy and getting up the bridge
and bringing new people intoScientology and doing all the
things that a good Scientologistdoes.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Basically, you're off purpose or you're not dedicated
to the cause Like you have.
Yeah, like you said, other fishto fry, that's all.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Panty waste dilettante.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Oh, chasing butterflies, that's all.
Panty waist dilettante.
Oh chasing butterflies, holymoly.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Turn that wandering gaze into a dedicated glare.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, see Commit to memory the bullshit of the
founder.
Okay, so listen.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
We know it's spooky when we start saying the same
words at the same time, but thatis the world of Scientology.
One hundred percent, absolutelyhow.
We know it's a cult, okay, atthe same time, but that is the
world of Scientology 100%,absolutely how we know it's a
cult.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Okay, so I think we do some comments and then we do
a giveaway.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Okay, awesome, yeah, because and if you guys like
this, I love Severance If youwant us to do a part two, tell
him.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I got to put it in the comments.
Don't tell me.
Put it in the comments.
That's how you tell me Clairewould so love.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
I mean, I have like five more pages of notes to talk
about here.
That are.
Some of them are reallyimportant.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
She was we every week .
We, you know, we just want todo whatever videos we want to do
.
We don't really care what'sgoing on.
There's always something goingon, and if you want to do that,
you want to know about that.
Go to Tony Ortega's blog andyou'll see what's going on.
If it's something that involvesus, like this, is a good point.
If it's something that involvesus or we know about, we'll
(53:23):
probably do a video on it.
If it's weird for me to do avideo on something that I don't
know, I'm not part of, I don'tknow about it.
So I try to do videos aboutScientology, about the stuff I
know, and I know about all thisstuff.
And when I saw this show whichI also watched, so I know about
that I go they're 100% I could,we'll talk about this.
(53:45):
And so when we were trying tothink, claire's like, oh, we
could do a video about this.
And so when we were trying tothink, claire's like, oh, we
could do a video about this, andI was like I don't know
anything about that, I won't beable to talk about it.
I said, what if we do one aboutseverance?
And she's like, yes, oh, my God, I'm part of a group and we
talk about everything and howit's Scientology.
I was like, oh, my goodness,i'm'm, I'm more, more than
halfway through.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
But still, like, there's a lot of things, a lot
of parallels and, like I said,we didn't really organize these
in terms of sequence ofimportance because, frankly, I
don't think you can reallynecessarily evaluate like what
(54:26):
might seem impactful or a hugeparallel to me might be
different to someone who wasnever in Scientology but has
incredible knowledge about, like, the number of people that we
know that were never inScientology but now understand
the language, the mechanisms,the control, the leverage.
All of that is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I'm just putting up some of the people
that I guess there's a lot ofpeople in here.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
They want to do part two.
Yeah, but'm just putting upsome of the people that I guess
there's a lot of people in here.
Oh, okay, they want to do Parttwo?
Yay, but Mark does videos aboutOT3.
Yeah, because I done read it,so I know about it.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I didn't do it in Scientology I might as well have
now.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
I'm Xenu's homeboy.
If somebody knows how to trackdown BTs, it's me, because I
know the guy who'd been donemaking them Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
BTs, it's me, because I know the guy who'd been done
making them, yeah, and so, yes,he didn't do OT3, but I did.
So it kind of makes it funnyfor us to have some banter back
and forth about this, and plus,let's just call a spade a spade,
hi Osa.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, I've said this before.
If you're new to the channel oryou are like trying to catch up
, if we talk about Xenu and wetalk about OT3, we talk about
body Thetans, it limits theamount of Scientology people
that are allowed to watch ourchannel, which makes more of
them watch our channel, becausein Scientology, if you're not
(55:43):
allowed to do something, you'regoing to get to doing it, okay.
The other thing is that youhave to they basically have to
have a scientologist who is ofthat level or above to be able
to deal with us, because they'dhave to watch our videos or they
have to be in the comments oryou know, I bet you they'd even
make them.
(56:03):
You got to do this.
But you can't turn the audio onlike that might.
That would be something an osaperson would say, like I need
you to watch this guy's videotoday, but I need you to not
have the audio on, which I don'teven know what the purpose of
watching the video would be.
Oh, if you want to stir uptrouble in the comments, I guess
.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, or see who's in the chat.
Oh, that's true, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, hey, also, fair warning.
Okay, there's a lot of.
You know, if you do like thevideos and you're not in
Scientology, hit subscribe,because we have a lot of
Scientologists that watch andthey're so paranoid that they
won't even subscribe.
It's a real.
It's a real thing.
Every person that I've talkedto that's in Scientology that
has contacted me and said hey, Iwatch the channel One of the
(56:44):
things I always ask them at thefirst thing but I go hey, by the
way, did you subscribe to thechannel?
Oh, no, dude, I first thing,but I go hey, by the way, did
you subscribe to the channel?
Oh, no, dude, I don't want tolisten to know about.
Uh, I'm just like come onScientology, You're jacking with
my, you're messing up thealgorithm.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Really.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
If you think about it , yep Um, which is not okay,
it's not cool.
Um, okay, let's film be like doyou want to?
Uh, do some more here?
Oh, here's another one.
Oh, it's going too fast.
I'm going back over to thestart.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, sorry, here we go.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
All right, trevon, on Hi Osa, if you want to leave,
reach out to the AftermathFoundation.
Yes, absolutely, thank you, andwe will.
By the way, I didn't know that.
Yeah, bear's mom, we appreciate.
Oh, you taking the time to yepTrevon on that is hilarious.
(57:36):
Doing grades while watchingMark's video Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
That's what Catherine said.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Oh, Matt Denny question why did the whole?
Why do the whole divorce thing?
What do they gain from it?
A sense of control?
Yes, absolutely 100%.
It's a sense of control.
In fact they, they want people,they want members isolated, and
with no, they, they just wantcomplete control over them.
(58:04):
So, for example, Mark and Iwere being pressured to, I was
being pressured to divorce Mark.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
They knew I would never divorce.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
The entire 13 years that we were there.
Over the years like multipletimes.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, they knew I would never divorce Claire.
They were trying to pressureher to divorce me and I would
give her shit about it all thetime.
Are you going to divorce me?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
And I'd be like, why are you saying that?
He was like well, and you wouldnever say well, I know, I know
that you're being pressured todivorce me, you would never say
that, but but it would alwaysgive me this feeling like, oh my
God, how does he know?
Why was he asking me this?
But I could never ask him.
We could never have aconversation about that, cause
that would be then the next timeeither of us were interrogated.
It would just make it a wholelot worse.
So, yes, catherine, grade twois overts and withholds.
Yes, exactly, catherine Olson.
(58:58):
I got through grade two while Iwas watching your videos, marga
.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
That's what she.
That's what Pete was talkingabout.
Okay, that is amazing, I'msorry.
I put up his comment havingread the other comments, but
nobody else did so.
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, no comment.
Having read the other comments,but nobody else did so, sorry
about that.
Yeah, um, miss amber sunshine.
That never makes sense to me,because you're supposed to be
well rested fed, oh my gosh.
I think there was a third thing, but I don't remember now.
Yeah, well fed, well rested forthe metabolism no, we were
talking about for study, even.
Oh, yeah, and so but you wouldnever.
No alcohol.
Yeah, that was another On thestudent's guide.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
No drugs or alcohol.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Right, and that's another severance.
All the protocols, the protocolWell-rested.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Are you well-fed?
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes, okay, come on guys, this is getting silly now,
the student's guide toacceptable behavior was one code
that you had to commit to mind,to memory, then the code of a
Sea Org member, the code of anauditor, whatever.
We could go on and on.
Oh, daniel Sander, glad to becatching a BFG live again.
Greetings from Denmark.
(01:00:02):
Good to see you, daniel.
Thank you for joining us andthank you for the super chat.
Mark and Claire, it's so goodto see you too.
Lost boys and golden girls.
The x scientology space hasbecome so toxic with drama.
You two are such a breath offresh air you know what they've
always, I know I was just gonnasay it's of toxic, so it doesn't
matter where this topic hasgone.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It doesn't matter there's always drama, guys drama
.
Humans are tribal and humansare drama.
They love drama.
They love.
No, people love drama.
That's everything that's on TV.
Soap operas.
You know your-.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
True crime.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Chicago, pd, chicago, it's all drama.
It's just all drama that youdon't have in your life.
And you see it over there andyou go what are these folks up
to?
And then some people want toget involved, some people want
to be the ones who make thedrama.
Everybody has their part toplay and when it was on, there
was a website called OperationClambake and they had a message
(01:01:08):
board.
It was called OCMB OperationClambake Message Board and I
will tell you they had you haveex-C org members,
ex-scientologists, critics,journalists and OSA and OSA
operatives, like publicScientologists that work for OSA
.
They're all in there togetherand they make that's what that's
(01:01:30):
you Every day.
You'd be like what's up today?
And you'd go in there and you'dbe like, oh shit, so-and-so did
what?
And it was just drama.
And then it was on Facebook andthen it was why we protest.
And then it was X Scientologymessage board and it was YouTube
, and then it was the real worldand it's so doesn't wherever,
wherever.
(01:01:51):
I don't think that's aScientology thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I think that's just a human thing.
No, I just think that-.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And Scientology loves to stir it up.
Correct, that's the thing.
That is the difference.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
They want to distract us from our goal.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Our goal is simply to expose a destructive cult, and
if somebody wants to get out,then help them get out.
That's it really.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
And the best way that we have found to do that is to
tell these stories, becausethere's another Scientologist
who's watching and they have astory that's just like our story
and they and the things thatwe're talking about.
We're not making shit up.
We're telling you what happenedat the highest levels of
scientology management and ifyou go like that's the boss,
(01:02:35):
that's david muscavige, is theone doing all this nuttiness and
he and this is an everydaything with this guy and then
people that think that believethe narrative that scientology
is telling them, and then thatwhat we're telling them they
know, because they're seeingsome of these things, or they're
just seeing the edges, orthey've heard a story, or they
(01:02:55):
know somebody that was in theSea Org and this happened to, or
so when we do this, they know,they're like, oh yeah, those
guys are telling the real deal.
So that's why we don't.
It's not that I don't, it's notthat I don't care about some of
these other people or some ofthe other stuff.
That's why we don't.
It's not.
It's not that I don't, it's notthat I don't care about some of
(01:03:15):
these other people or some ofthe other stuff that's going on,
but it's just like I was therefor 15 years.
I know that the nonsense thathappens online is is a hundredth
of the nonsense that happenedin the Sea Org, so I am numb to
it in the Sea Org.
So I am numb to it.
In the Sea Org, everyone isthere, are there's a group of
people that are the backstabbersand there's a group of people
(01:03:39):
that are the 9-to-5ers or the8-to-12ers.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Or the wallflowers as some would call them.
They just blend into thebackground.
They're.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
NPCs, if you know what that is.
It's in the game, which is thepeople that are programmed to do
the thing they do, and that'sall they do they're.
They have NPCs in the Sea OrgAnyway.
And and also there is a sort ofsnobbery and the Sea Org of
what, where you worked.
And so if you worked in a lowerorg, you were a Sea Org member.
(01:04:11):
In a lower org, like anorganization in the middle of
nowhere in the United States orin just some far-flung country,
then you were the lowest form ofSea Org member.
And then if you worked in anadvanced organization, you were
the next level of Sea Org member.
And then it went like that.
And if you were at Golden ArrowProductions, you were higher
than 90% of everybody else, butat the place you worked at you
(01:04:33):
were in the lower 1%.
So even if you were at theinternational base, you were
anywhere you went in the Sea Org, they had to call you sir, but
at the property you were thedeputy, deputy de-wheater, so it
didn't.
It wasn't like when you werethere you weren't shit, but if
you went somewhere else you werethe bomb, so they, and.
But if you went somewhere elseyou were the bomb, so they.
(01:04:54):
And then if you were inreligious technology center like
sweetness over here, then youwere like I mean, you were,
she's a come on now.
That's how we had a TV boy.
That's how I got, that's how Ihooked up that TV.
I got some of that RTC whiff,just a little whiff RTC.
So even if somebody went intoour room and there was a TV in
(01:05:15):
there, you ain't taking a TV outof an RTC staff member, a Sea
Org member's room.
You'd get your ass chewed ifyou did that.
That's a reality.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Anyway.
So thank you, whoever that was,who said that, lost Boys and
Golden Girls.
Thank you for the super chat aswell.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Okay, so we'll do a few more and then we'll do our
giveaway, cause we're running,we're out of time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Oh, just call me.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Betsy Hi, betsy, good to see you here.
Thanks for joining us, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I'm just going to put up a few more.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Okay, coffee, milk dude, the parallels, the
parallels to the seorg audi andany.
It's uncanny.
100, yep, absolutely yes,looking forward to more bfg
content, awesome, yes, uh,coffee first, always 100.
Oh man, can't wait to hear thisreplay, unfortunately.
(01:06:06):
Oh, okay then sorry you're good,can't read that fast, honey,
wow, you're going.
You're like what's this coffee?
All right, oh man, can't waitto hear this replay.
Unfortunately, this live is 5am in australia.
Awesome, all right, well, thankyou.
The protest scene and then,believing they're down there for
(01:06:28):
a worthy cause, then therecorded confessional from the
break room, which sounds likequote how you pull in everything
bad that happens to you 100,yeah we'll make a note of that
for the next one, becausethere's a whole nother thing
that, uh is very parallel tothat yeah, especially many more
in season two.
Um, I can see mark bullshittingthe meter.
(01:06:50):
Yes, exactly, glenda stevenendaStevenson.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Glenda.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yep, that's right hey there.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Did people get promoted from gold to higher
orgs?
Yes, that's what happened in mycase.
I worked at Golden EraProductions from 91 until 96.
And then I was moved up toreligious technology center and
it's kind of weird.
Even there, like you know, onceyou're being considered for a
(01:07:20):
higher organization, you cannotsay no, that would be, that's
right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
You can't refuse a promotion in the C organization.
No, it's basically like if youdon't, if you refuse a promotion
, you will be demoted.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
That's pretty much how it goes.
Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You're either going to go up or you're going to go
down.
Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That's right.
That's why I one time describedScientology like a skyscraper
the further up you go, theharder it is to get out, because
there's no way out.
You just go deeper and deeper,or?
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
like a spider web.
There's no elevator down youget more you got to jump out a
window.
Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, the more you wriggle the, the, the worse off.
You're going to be Right.
There you go, bruce Hines, hiyou guys, hey Bruce, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Hey Bruce.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Local Juco, best story ever.
Glad you dropped the song name.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Oh yes, there you go.
Song name.
Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Oh yes, there you go.
I don't know that I really hada hack.
I didn't have that kind of ahack.
Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Oh yeah, somebody was asking what's Claire's hack?
What's Claire's hack I?
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
don't know, Think happy thoughts.
I guess that was my own versionof it.
I just didn't have such a greatthing to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
But yeah, there you go Okay, this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Lupita.
Heli is a redhead.
Yes, heli are.
I love Heli.
He's a rebel.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Okay, so we're going to put this up and we're going
to do this.
I've got a giveaway link.
Let's see if it works.
Oh, it's been up the whole time.
Oh, no, it's right here.
Let's see if it worked.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, hashtag any.
Oh yeah, we had 58 peopleentered.
Cool, awesome, that's goodenough.
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Okay, here we go, we're going to draw.
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
It was nice to just change topic for a little bit.
It was kind of funny to reviewthe parallels of severance to
Scientology.
It makes it a little less heavythan some of the other things
we've talked about.
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, bear's mom.
I think Bear's mom has wonbefore.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
You always say that you say that whenever anyone
wins.
Bear's mom, here's your spiel.
Send me an email claire atbloomforgoodcom with a link to
what you would like from the BFGmerch store or the spshopcom,
and we will get you taken careof.
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Thanks for watching.
And you know what A lot oftimes when I say bears, mom or
somebody won, they do say in thecomments that they have won.
Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Okay, not always though.
Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I think the one, the one that really stands out in my
mind, was purple groovy 69.
Congratulations, bears mom.
There we go.
Yay, see, it's fun doing this.
Oh yeah, Look at this Hi from apoet, brian Lucas I love your
(01:10:02):
morning videos.
Awesome, terry Ray.
Hello, hello everybody.
Oh, there's Salty Beach Girl,lori Lupita.
Congrats Bears, mom.
There we go.
I don't know why I enter.
I always give it back.
Yeah, there's.
There's a lot of people thatthat do that, that pay it
forward, and we really like thattoo, not that you have to, that
we.
(01:10:22):
We do it to give stuff awayjust for fun, you know, uh, okay
oh, look up, katherine's gotsomething to say at Glenda
Stevenson.
The ones who do the drama do itfor the money.
There you go, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Maybe I don't know how much money there is, maybe
not always we do it for the funand there's not that much money.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Speaking of which, I'm going to take this moment to
show what we have added.
Look.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, oh, we've got to put it up.
This is a check that we gotfrom scientology.
It's actually from ken moxonand kenneth moxon from.
Uh, is it bowls and moxon?
Is that the name of the?
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
moxon and cobran trust and cobran this is a check
made out to claire headley fromapril 1st 2009 for 45 dollars.
Memo witness fee yeah which werefused to cash.
Mark has one too.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Mine's a.
Mine's up here somewhere.
I don't know where it is, butit's back there.
Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
The point being we, we don't, we do not subscribe to
doing it for money, that's thepoint.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Look who's here.
Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Uh, Scientology, peeling the onion Mark here Hi.
Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Mark, awesome, good to see you here.
Hey, mark, how's it going?
We got to do.
We were doing videos together along time ago when I was doing
them during the week and doingstuff, but now that I'm only
doing, we're only doing kind ofone video, but we'll have to get
back into doing that when I'mnot in the middle of doing
everything else.
Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I love Food.
Kitchen says I love how markcalls him ken when he hates that
yeah, his name is kenneth moxon.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I think that's his name, kendrick kendrick, is it
kendrick?
It doesn't actually say, say ohmy goodness, she's breaking the
place.
It just says moxon, a coburntrust account.
Um, anyway, while claire'swrecking, everything here I'll
take off the camera off her sowe don't have to see what she's
doing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh my goodness, that was a disaster, that was
exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I always knew him as Ken Monkson and I didn't know
that he didn't like that, butthat's what Dave always called
him and I think Dave called himthat because he didn't like that
.
Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I just knew that that was his name name kendrick
harvey said he also goes by rick, which I think he does.
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
He has at various points yes, doesn't he go by
rick yeah maybe that's the thing.
Yes, cash, and oh, you're right, there's too many pieces now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It's now the chats yeah, no, which is awesome yeah,
look great input folks.
Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Thank you, there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So, rick moxon, so not to be confused with the D
version.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It's so funny that I only call him Ken Moxon and his
name is Kendrick and he hatesKen.
Shout out to Kenny boy.
We should do a whole videoabout that dude and his daughter
, but yeah, actually.
Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I was thinking that we should, because the
anniversary is coming up in June.
Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Yeah, I don't know, we'll see that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Okay, I was thinking that we should, because the
anniversary is coming up in June.
Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I don't know, we'll see that's heavy.
Okay, I think we did it, folks.
We went a little over.
We went a little over, but wehad a good time.
We did, we had fun.
Yeah, if you guys want to getnotified when we're going to do
a live, then if you hit thesubscribe button and then also
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know when we're going to do alive.
We are going to try.
We're going to try to get up to40,000 subscribers and we used
to do a thing when we first kindof you know, I got a.
I got a notification fromYouTube that our channel is 17
years old.
Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Because I started it that long ago.
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, we just never did anything and I just used it
as a place to put videos that Ihad no like.
Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
if I wanted to send somebody a video, I was like,
well, I think you should putthis up, and they're like I
don't want to put it up.
I'll be like, okay, fine, I'llthere like the list of all the
scientology hate sites or, yeah,the domains that are based on
david miscavige or whatever.
Anyway, um, and now when westarted doing these like kind of
weekly videos, we've been,we've been building up
(01:14:21):
subscribers and we're up to like30, I think we're we we just
got over like 37 000, so we dowant to try to get up to 40,000
subscribers.
I think that's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Um, if so it's, it's not that big of a deal.
It's not the end of the world,but you know, we might get
another $13 a month if we had afew more subscribers.
And, uh, you know we're notdoing this for our health.
Okay, we're doing it becausethe more people that want to see
it, we'll do it and we don'thave.
I mean, we've been talkingabout this for 20 years.
(01:14:55):
We've been on like TV shows andmovies, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
But also I really like what you brought up, where
you were watching somebody andyou just talked about building a
legacy of kind of documentingour lives, especially for our
kids' sake, so they know who weare, because you know God only
knows.
If you Google our names, youcome across the OSA hate
websites, so why not be able totell our our story in our words
(01:15:19):
and have that be there inperpetuity?
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, yeah.
And the other thing is weprobably have more subscribers
than there are Scientologistsright now.
Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
We know there's more people watching us that are in
Scientology, that are actuallygoing to course and doing
counseling and giving them money, and there's not more than
30,000 now.
So it's fun for us to be ableto say we have more people.
But if we had a lot more that'dbe even more fun.
But that's all good, we did it.
We did another stream.
(01:15:49):
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We have every single episodethat we've done.
Besides a few Q&As which we'remaking available every week, we
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little podcast app every week.
You don't have to really doanything.
Awesome, I think we're good.
Oh, we have one last supersticker.
Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Which it's not letting me put up, so I'm not
sure what to do with that Anextra $13.
Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Hopefully that will be going straight towards your
next IAS statue, platinumDepeche Moditorius.
Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Somebody put Stan Push for the birthday game.
Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Anyway, yeah, lots of people.
There's Betsy, sue, I put thatup.
I don't know, I don't know howI can't put this.
Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It's okay, betsy.
Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Sue, I've been trying to put up your thing but it's
just shows me there, but itwon't let me put it up, so I
hope I already put it up.
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and, um, yeah, I won't see younext week.
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Dream Yard.
Hey guys, welcome back to thechannel, welcome to another
episode of Scientology Storiesand, as it has been regularly
(00:24):
for the last two episodes, I'mjoined by my lovely wife, claire
.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Howdy hey, happy daylight savings to everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Happy jump forward day.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah, spring forward.
Have we sprung forward?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Oh my gosh, I hate daylight savings in the org.
It was the worst.
It was the worst.
You get like maybe you get likefour or five hours of sleep on
a really good night.
You get four or five hours andthen you just that's it.
We're losing an hour.
And you're just like why?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
When you go from four to three, four hours to three
hours, that's a significant jump.
That's not just like oh, I wishI could have stayed in bed an
extra five minutes.
That's brutal.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
You know, not a lot of people know this we're
getting.
I'm going to get off and overit right now.
But sometimes Claire and Iwould get home so late Like we
would get home at like fouro'clock in the morning and I'd
have to get up at seven to go inat eight, or, you know, seven,
30 to go in at seven, 45.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And I had to get up at eight to go in at nine, so it
wasn't much difference for me.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yeah, so we would literally get home.
Maybe let's say I got home atfour, she got home at four, 30.
And then I'd be like you wantto watch a movie, I'll cook up
with some ramen and we'll watcha movie.
We would just have some ramen,watch a movie and just go take a
shower and go back to work,cause you're not going to.
(01:47):
It's worse when you, when you,when you go to sleep and you
know you have to get up, like intwo hours, it's just like by
the time I fall asleep, it'sgoing to be time to wake up
basically but hold on, if you'regoing to say that, you have to
break it down a little.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
First of all, we weren't supposed to have a TV,
but we did.
That's right.
Most TVs had been confiscatedmultiple times, but we just kind
of covered ours with a blanketor something like that it was a
plant.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It was a plant holder that turned into a TV.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, and we and we had it unplugged so that if
anyone ever came and inspected,it looked like we never used it.
So that was the rebel in you.
And then, in addition to that,nobody had access to movies
except you worked in the cinearea and systems.
Right.
So you did have access tomovies, because I remember when
(02:32):
you told me one day what movieswould you want to watch, I'm
like, are you for real Like anymovies?
And you were like, yeah,absolutely, just tell me what
movies you want to watch.
And I was like what?
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Because I was the pre-production director and I
was over the research department, they had to get as many movies
as possible into their libraryBecause you know, sometimes when
there's a really famous moviestar there at the property and
he says, oh, can you get thismovie, and we don't have it, we
look like knuckleheads.
So there was this brand newthing that came out.
(03:05):
It was called Netflix and I wasone of the very first people to
set up an account inScientology and I had it on the
nine DVD uh plan, and so we werejust getting DVDs in nonstop
and the research department hey,this was them.
This wasn't me.
I got the movies, that's all.
I was the supplier.
(03:28):
They would copy them.
We had a DVD copy machine andthey just put it in the copy
machine and they copied themovie and I think they made like
five copies at one time andthen they would put that in all
the different libraries andeverything and they'd send a
copy up to Department 21.
So that's David Miscavige,captain Davey, fake of the fake
Navy, and they would send up acopy to his office.
(03:51):
And there was a researchlibrary and that there was a
thing called the Cine libraryand anyway, we didn't start the
show.
We got to start the show.
We got like hey, where are you,where are you coming from today
?
Speaker 2 (04:04):
You're the one that got us all distracted.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
I'm not blaming you, I'm just saying, I'm just
pointing out Likely story.
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Whatever it works, we're givingsomething away.
It's going to be whatever youwant it to be, from the blown
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Um, so that's going on.
Um, what else is happening?
What else happened?
Anything exciting happened thisweek um, not really.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
We're gonna pop up and see who, uh where, people
are joining us from okay pop upsome comments perfect, good idea
.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
okay, so let me get this banner thing off here, so,
uh, we can do the commentswithout all this squirrely
McSquirrely stuff.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Yeah, look, you read them, okay, and I'll just pop
them up Yep, voracious Reiter,astoria Queens, thank you for
joining us.
Hello from Pennsylvania,awesome West Texas, nice, it's
(05:30):
all a bit culty.
Valerie, there you go.
Lupita.
Lupita has some great, greatinput on our topic for today, p
ganson from los angeles.
Yeah, lupita, don't stop.
We love everything that you'reum bringing up.
This is going to be an amazingconversation.
The only problem is we're notgoing to be able to cover it all
.
So, lupita from Texas, there wego, awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
So, sorry.
There's so many.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
West Virginia, I saw we did that one.
Yeah, northern California, nearShelley Dean Johnson, awesome.
Oh, copenhagen, nice.
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Awesome.
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Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh, it's Helen, it's.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Helen, yay, good to see you here.
Sunny, southern, utah, nice,nice, awesome, and we did that
one Awesome Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Cool, there you go.
Well, those are all the onesthat start.
If you got, oh, here we go.
There's more, here's, I'm goinglive.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Hello, from Detroit, I'm going live, doing live.
Okay, louisiana, nice, awesomeand Awesome, and Copenhagen,
very cool.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Nice, very cool.
Thanks guys, we appreciate it.
We, um, we have a lot of peoplethat watch from all over the
world, and that is why we dothis show at this time.
I know it's a little early inAustralia, but pretty much
everywhere else where we have alot of viewers.
Um, if we do it at this time,this is kind of like the most
popular time per YouTube.
It tells us when people arewatching on certain days, and
(07:05):
today, in the middle of the dayon a Sunday, is the best time
for everybody, including us,cause we have, we have work and
we have everything else.
That's the other thing I wasgoing to say.
I've been out of town for, likeI don't know, probably four or
five weeks in about as manyStates and um, and so Claire did
(07:26):
a really nice thing for meright after last week's video.
She booked me a massage, and itwas at one of these fruit fruit
places.
Like somebody got her, uh, agift for this place and then she
got me one.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Anyway, um, like any loving wife would do, honey
anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
So I I go to this place and, um, I hadn't really
eaten anything.
I don't eat until dinner time.
Each day.
I have a coffee in the morningand then I have a water for
lunch and then I have dinner andthat's it.
I'm not supposed to eatanything else, otherwise I turn
into uh, you know, they had tobutter my hips to pop me through
doorways and stuff, and it'stoo much.
Anyway, I go to this massageplace and it's very fancy, dancy
(08:10):
and the, the, the gals leadingme to the like I guess the
lockers or something and shesays do you want a drink or
something?
And I go oh yeah, because thesegals, they're doing mimosas and
whatever sparkling water I'mlike no, I'm good.
And then and I'm I'm hungry,though I was thinking about it
on the way over there, anyway,Cause it's already like three
o'clock in the afternoon by now.
(08:31):
It's late, I'm kind of like ohman, I'm a little hungry.
Anyway, you know, your brainplays tricks on you.
Because she said do you wantsomething to drink?
And then I got no, I'm fine.
And then she goes would youlike a Reuben sandwich?
And I thought to myself there'sno way they're cooking up
(08:51):
sandwiches in this, in thisjoint, and right before the
massage.
I'm like it doesn't make anysense.
My brain is thinking this.
But then my brain's also likenot a Reuben guy, but I would do
a BLT, like all day long.
So I say my brain is notcomprehending this right.
So I know, I know not to trustit.
And whenever somebody sayssomething and I don't get it, I
say the who, that's my thing,whatever I've done that my whole
(09:14):
life.
The who, no matter what it isAnyway.
So she says would you like aReuben sandwich?
I think about all this and I gothe who.
And then I'm thinking I reallywant to say no, but I'll take a
BLT.
But then I don't.
I stopped myself, I controlledmy, I put my filter in, which is
rare for me anyway and then Isaid the who and she says would
(09:35):
you like a robe and sandals?
And I go oh a robe and sandals.
I literally said it out loudlike that oh a robe and sandals.
And I thought, oh my gosh, Igot to just eat a sandwich man.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Anyway, thank God you didn't.
I know I would have got reallyembarrassed, can you?
Speaker 1 (09:53):
imagine if I would have said that.
She said would you like a robeand sandals?
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I said no, but I'll have a BLT.
I would have paid really goodmoney to see the look on her
face.
No, but I'll have a BLT Maybewhat moscow?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
with that blt as opposed to robin sandals yeah,
could you imagine?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
oh my god, that would have been the worst.
I could have never gone backthere ever again.
That would have been the storyat the place.
Since one dude came in lastweek.
He asked for a BLT right beforehis massage.
Instead of a Rube, yeah, sothat's how you know it's been a
long month.
Yeah, you know your brain islike playing tricks.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yeah, and, by the way , we said that we would be
trying to get back at least oncea week.
But I do need to submit mycompleted staff work to you,
honey, that.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
I'm.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
I will be absent next week.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
That's okay, we'll go road next week.
Just me in the chat, do it,live it up.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
We'll just do um, we'll just do a Q and a for an
hour.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
There you go, perfect .
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Um, okay, um, we did the banner right.
We did the thing.
You got to put your thing in.
We'll do that at the end, yeah,okay, so do you want to explain
?
So I'll just set it up, becauseshe's actually watched the show
the whole, like she's reallyinto the show.
I watched the first season andafter one season I was like this
(11:22):
is too much, like it was toocrazily Like this is.
I was like this is too much,like it was too crazily, like
this is.
I was doing this for 15 years,like that's how it was for me.
I don't really get kind oftriggered by anything.
I don't think I'm not really Idon't really care, I'm kind of
easy, whatever, yeah, but thisthing really kind of bothered me
and the show is calledSeverance.
(11:42):
It's on Apple TV and it'sbasically about this company and
they put a little chip inpeople's heads when they go to
work.
They only know about work.
They don't know about theirother life.
It's like another hard drivethat they don't have access to
when they're in work, and so,and they work, they don't really
(12:04):
know what they're doing.
They're all siloed and they're.
And then when they go back inthe elevator is where, like the,
the electronics are thattrigger, the chip like an rfid
thing or whatever?
Yeah, and so when they go um inthe elevator and they get out
to go out of the place, theythey turn back into their real
self in the outside world andthey call that the outie.
(12:26):
And then the person that'sinside when you're at work,
you're an innie.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Right, which is a completely separate person and
personality, and obviously itgoes without saying, if you
haven't watched the show, we'reabsolutely going to spoiler
alert we're going to talk aboutthis, so deep dive yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So, but Claire watched, she's watched both
seasons.
She's like caught up with theshow wherever it's at.
In the second season I onlywatched the first season and
then I'm like I'm out, I'm good,I get it.
I was I this, like it's likethis is a documentary about
where I worked Basically.
I was I this like it's likethis is a documentary about
where I worked Basically.
I don't need to know anymore.
I know everything that's goingto happen.
And the crazy thing is is that,more than the second season,
(13:12):
like if the first season waslike it's similar and then
somebody says, oh, I was in acult, it was similar to my cult
too.
Now I'm telling you, in seasontwo, they, they let, they stop
pulling punches, they, literallythere's all kinds of stuff and
so yeah, it gets just absolutelycrazy.
So just to set it up.
So that's basically the show,and there's all kinds of other.
(13:36):
You got to watch the show tounderstand some of the stuff,
but if you've seen the show,we're going to tell you the
things that are either stolen oror or based off of.
I wouldn't say inspired or or sosimilar that it's impossible it
could be anything else.
We're going to go through thosethings, and then Claire will
(13:57):
have one and I'll have one.
Like, I've only seen the firstseason, but I've, I know I've
read a bunch of stuff about theshow, and there's a ton of
people we're not the only peopleto notice this.
There's a gazillionex-Scientologists out there that
are like oh yeah, that'stotally Scientology Like just no
question, no question, it'sScientology.
(14:19):
And the thing I wanted to tellyou, though, was, in the, the
Sea Org, and I'll just set upthat's the show.
Now, this is the Sea Org.
You're there from eight in themorning till midnight, at least
every single day.
You don't have any outside lifeat all, and you're not allowed
(14:39):
to talk about stuff.
You're not allowed to talkabout Xenu and body Thetans and
uh, and you're not allowed totalk about Zinu and body thetans
, and you're not allowed to talkabout anything in your own
counseling to anyone else.
Period.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Yeah, even going so far as your Audi is not even
allowed to tell your familynecessarily what you do, who you
interact with, where we evenphysically worked, like our
families did not know physicallywhere we worked for 14 years.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Yeah, we would send everything from a Hollywood
address and they would sendeverything to a Hollywood
address 6331 Hollywood Boulevard.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
California 90028.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Or 1710 Ivor Avenue, 1700.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
If you worked in RTC, your office was on the other
side of the building, so onestreet was on Hollywood
Boulevard and the other streetwas on Ivar.
If you worked in RTC, then youraddress was on Ivar and if you
worked in Golden Air Productionsyour address was on Hollywood
Boulevard.
Like it was a different place.
It was the same exact buildingand the mail all went to the
(15:45):
exact same door on Ivar Anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
And it went in the same van to the same property.
It was ridiculous.
It was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
But, but, but the.
You don't in the Sea Org.
This is the only thing that Iwill say.
In the Sea Org, you're the.
The only thing you are is theinnie.
There is no outie, you're onlyan innie.
And maybe one or two days ayear when you would go and see
(16:14):
your family, you would be anoutie.
So the show is the same, exceptit's split like half and half.
In the Sea Org it's like 99%slash one.
That's it.
You don't live most seorgmembers at the internet, and let
me preface this also by sayingat the international
headquarters, because at theinternational headquarters you
weren doing an eight to midnightevery day.
(16:51):
In the Sea Org you're basicallya slacker.
You're a nobody worker.
Bc Org member.
You're not one of the moversand shakers, sea Org members
that are staying up two, threenights a week, going home at
four, coming in at seven.
So there was different.
Even at this place there wereplenty of Sea Org members that
(17:12):
would do that.
They would just come in atbreakfast and leave it on the 11
o'clock bus and that's whatthey did, and everybody knew who
those guys were.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Right, and also there was the very firm no
fraternizing rule.
So it's not like you ever wouldbe like oh hey, how's it going?
Chit chat, none of that.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Yeah, there's, no, there's no, like hey, you want
to come over and party on.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Saturday.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
No, if you basically anything that you did, like it
was the outside world, like ifyou did something it would be,
they would call, they had a wordfor it.
It was like being a walk and Iknow in some places walks a bad
word in the C organization or inScientology.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
It just means somebody who's not in
Scientology which I think wasintentional by Hubbard, to take
a bad word and turn it intosomething that Scientologists
just rolls off their tonguewithout even thinking about it.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Totally, that makes sense.
That's a good.
I never thought about it likethat.
But yeah, he turned a bad wordinto a bad word in Scientology.
Yeah, Anyway, if you were, ifyou were doing a hundred hours,
120 hours a week as a Sea Orgmember, that was normal, and so
it's like you're always theAnnie.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That's all I wanted to say yeah, no, absolutely, and
your ability to even interactwith people in the outside world
just deteriorates as a resultof that.
Like you, um, or you're uh,become more and more scripted to
what you're allowed to say toyour family.
You know all that stuff totally, we have all the.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
You actually get trained in the sea organization
on what the shore stories are.
So we're at sea and we're doinga secret mission and when we go
to land we have to have a shorestory for the locals.
So when they ask us questionsand stuff, we just just go oh
yeah, we do all of.
I mean it's so funny now that Ithink about it.
But we produce all of the mediaand print and publications and
(19:12):
materials for Scientologyworldwide and you're just like
okay.
And so then when somebody asksyou, you just whatever, you just
that's the story.
No matter and that was actuallythe story, for no matter where
you worked at the internationalbase, even if you were in
religious technology center, youwere part of the studios, you
were part of the mediaproduction you were part of you
know.
Or if you worked ininternational management, we do
(19:34):
all the promotion forScientology internationally.
Whatever it was, it was somevariation of this shore story.
If you went into town andsomebody at walmart was like hey
, where do you work at thatscientology place?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
right.
What are they?
Speaker 1 (19:48):
doing up in there do you?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
is it true?
You have machine guns in thegolf course?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
that was the biggest thing, is it true?
There's machine guns in thatmain booth on the highway, you
guys shooting guns at people.
Anyway, it was wild, okay.
So I guess I will do this youcan say one, and then I'll say
one, and we'll just go back andforth and we will at the end,
(20:12):
when we get near the end of this.
Are we still live?
Is anybody hearing us?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Testing, testing.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Are we on?
Are you there?
If we get to the end, we'll dothe giveaway and if you guys
have some really good commentsor questions, we'll try to put
them up and if there's somethingwe didn't answer, then we'll
say it too.
And there's other ex-SEERGmembers in the comments and
they're answering people'squestions.
Catherine's in there and if youare watching and you have
(20:45):
answers or you have something,get in the comments that we're
all here, we're live.
This is we're doing this rightnow.
There's no other.
Just so you guys know, do Ihave this other thing?
There's no other buddy here,it's just me and Claire.
This is the whole.
This is the whole show.
Okay, I'm doing the video andthe audio and the mixing and all
this, the live and the bannerand Claire's, that's it, and
(21:06):
there's a few people helping usin the background.
We got Clara and Catherine inhere, doing the work.
But yeah, it's just us Again.
There's no big productionhappening behind here.
Okay, yeah, I just saw thisthing.
What a horrific way.
Okay, yeah, it's way, it's.
I just saw this thing.
What a what a horrific way tolive, yeah, so that'll be the
(21:27):
last thing, and then we'll lettell Claire start telling one.
We worked there.
I worked there from 1989.
I worked in Los Angeles andthen I moved to the
international base early 1990.
And I was there from 1990 toJanuary 2005.
So 15 years, 89 to 2005, 15years.
(21:48):
And then how long were youthere, babe?
Speaker 2 (21:52):
Oh gosh.
Well, I was born intoScientology.
I was in the Sea Org from fourto 10.
I was at the headquarters from91 until 2005.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
I'm asking her, she's like telling me all this.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Well, I know, but you know that's part of my.
My story that's different thanyours.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I know, but just tell me how long you were in any.
Okay, I don't need to knowabout the, the, the, the warmup,
sure, okay, so that's a longtime.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
It is yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
For both of us that was so and, like she said, she
was born into it, I grew up init, so we were basically in
Scientology our whole lives.
Yeah, but the C organizationwas about 15 years for me and 13
years for you, right?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah 13.
Yeah, wow, not counting thecadet org, but yeah, 30.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
Oh yeah, not counting the cadet org, but yeah, 30.
Oh yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
That's why it was relevant honey.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Yeah, I get it.
It makes sense, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
But you know what you know.
It's funny I forgot about shewas in the theater when she was
a little baby that you knowsucks to suck, you're right.
But also I think it's importantin the context of what we're
talking about today, because itoccurred to me while you were
talking the longer we were inthese, the harder it was to
(23:10):
consider being an Audi 100%, andthis is purpose.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
This was deliberate.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Yes, planned.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
You are in a bubble and you don't know what goes on
outside the bubble.
You don't know how to get a job.
You don't have a bank account,you don't have a driver's
license, you're, you don't havea high school diploma, you don't
have anything.
And they, they make you knowthat.
Like, if you leave, what do you?
Where are you gonna go?
(23:39):
What are you gonna do?
You're gonna live with yourparents.
You're gonna like.
Will they even let you?
You know, it's like there'snothing for you to go do so and
I.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
In our case, our parents would have just turned
us back in yeah, they, well,they, yeah, they would have.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
If they knew where we were, they would have turned us
.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, I mean my mother did that to my uncle.
My uncle, franco sullivan, whoworks at St Hill, escaped.
That's right, and my mothertracked him down, found out that
he was with my uncle who wasnever in Scientology, and turned
him in and he got drugged backand he's still there to this day
.
It's really sad.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
That's why it's called blown for good, because
when people blow, there's peoplethat have blown the Sea
organization nine times andthey've gotten them back nine
times.
So, um, crazy, okay, you do anexample, what's your first?
Speaker 2 (24:30):
okay, and so I think just to, for context, mine is in
no particular sequence ofimportance, um, but, and again,
we've talked about what the showis about and the context of it,
even from the very first sceneof season one, where you have
this woman laying on the tableand she's just gone through the
(24:52):
severance procedure.
So she's in a conference roomlaying on the table, face down,
unconscious, and then kind ofcomes to and this voice comes
out of nowhere and um says hey,you on the table, who are you
which?
And again, watching this fromthe perspective of um.
(25:13):
So in Scientology there's theethics conditions, and when
you're um in a condition meaningyou're not performing, you've
been misbehaving, you're anon-believer, you're showing
your true colors, whatever,whatever variation of that, one
of the lower conditions is thecondition of enemy, which is,
find out who you really are.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Yeah, it's wild, that's a crazy like.
Even if you just saw that, youwould go like that's weird,
because it's one of the lowerconditions.
You have to find that outbefore you can move up.
Okay, One of the things is theyhave this Keir guy who's like
the, he's the founder, he's thesource Keir Egan, keir Egan.
(25:58):
And they have pictures of himall over the place and they have
busts of him and he, everythingthat he said is the gospel and
they, uh they commit things thathe said to memory and memorize
it and just sayings about dumbstuff, um, and and it's and it's
(26:18):
part of their everyday languagelike it's and it's part of
their everyday language, Likeit's, not just like, oh, I don't
know it's just like, oh, you,complete counseling, you have to
write a success story and you,it's basically, it's basically
(26:46):
you signing off that everythingyou did you wanted to do and
then you had a great time doingit.
And so if ever in the futureyou're like I hated this place
and it sucked, and you're like,well then, why did you write all
these glowing reviews everythree weeks of your entire
career about everything you weredoing?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Which, by the way, is not even a theoretical example.
That's what they did during ourlawsuits.
They were like here read yoursuccess story that you wrote
when you were 14 years old.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, but the thing is is, in order to complete
anything, you have to write asuccess story and you have to
give this glowing review and atthe end of it you always say
thank you to L Ron Hubbard andthank you to David.
It's expected that you writethis and it's a glowing review
and then you thank these people.
But it's just something you'realways um, if you don't know
(27:36):
what to do in life, they have athing what would LRH do?
And it's a thing you'resupposed to think about.
That's your mantra oh, I don'tknow what to do, what would LRH
do?
And so they have all theselittle things.
So they have in the severance.
It's basically they're doingall that stuff.
So to me that was just like Idon't know man and, by the way,
(27:57):
I've seen about four other cultsbe like oh, this is about my
cult, so it might just be a cultthing.
Yeah, scientology is got somuch of this stuff that they had
just a wealth of information topull from.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, perhaps it's satire of cults in general, but
certainly Scientology, if Ithink anyone would agree.
If you were to rate how cultyis my cult that I escaped from,
it's pretty high up there on thescale.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
It totally is.
And another funny thing is thatBen Stiller is the director.
He's the main guy running thisshow and he's punked on Tom
Cruise in the past and I thinkTom Cruise and him are actually
friendly and they've done stufftogether and so it's kind of a
crazy thing.
It's like Paul Thomas Andersonshooting a movie maybe Tom
(28:50):
Cruise's best movie Magnoliawhere best his best acting
performance, arguably one of thebest with Paul Thomas Anderson
and then getting to know PaulThomas Anderson, and then
getting to know Paul ThomasAnderson and becoming very
friendly, and then Paul Tom PaulThomas Anderson directing the
master the movie with.
I think I can't remember hisname.
(29:11):
Colonel Dodd or whatever, thePhil Seymour.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
That was so good.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Phil Seymour Hoffman character, but to me it's kind
of like that.
And also in Hollywood everybodyknows Scientologists and if
you're in Hollywood and you'rein the business, there's a lot
of Scientologists that are thatare.
They got their fingers in allkinds of little pies.
You got the Meskimens and yougot the, you had the Mastersons
(29:39):
and the Tom Cruise, johnTravolta, so there's a lot of
people that are Scientologyadjacent.
So you do have a lot of actorsand actresses in Hollywood that
are getting into Scientology.
They're doing courses, they'renetworking, they're trying to
get jobs, they're trying to geta commercial.
They're trying to get a KellyDaniels man.
(30:00):
If you do Kelly Daniels course,you're going to get a type
commercial next week.
Man Residuals Um, there's in in.
In Hollywood it's all aboutgetting a credit.
It doesn't matter what it is,you just need a credit.
Can I get a producer credit?
Can I get a acting credit?
Can I get a writing credit?
Can I get the only one?
It it's a, it's like a, it'sthe.
(30:21):
It's a main commodity inHollywood that you got to get.
You got to get something to puton your resume because that's
how you're going to get anothersomething.
And then, hopefully, if you getX amount of somethings, then
you get a big something.
It's just, it's a crazy worldand Scientology they feed right
into that.
(30:42):
They are so tapped into the Idon't know what you call it
transactional relationships andif you do this, then I'll do
that, and it's with the police,and it's with the writers and
the directors and the actors,and they have a and the
politicians the writers and thedirectors and the actors, and
(31:04):
they have a and the politicianthe politician adam schiff and
aaron batts, and you knowwhoever the latest person is.
They totally work it and they doit in such a crazy way.
So the fact that they're doingthis show and you know, you
almost know, it's dunking onScientology- yeah, I mean it's
impossible.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
even more so, like you said, you haven't seen
season two and we won't we won'tspoil everything in terms of
going deep dive, cause wewouldn't want to have time
anyway, but even more so.
I mean, it's just there's noway you could not see the many
parallels and the many examples.
But also I just think that someof the, the way that it, the
(31:46):
way that severance really showsyou the layers and the, the, the
mental numbing like of you know, just looking away from things
that you're like wait what?
Speaker 1 (31:57):
Totally Like when they had the clay, I was like,
well, hey, I was like inScientology.
Whenever you do a course,there's probably I don't know
every five or six differentactions.
You have to read something, youhave to demonstrate something
with what's called ademonstration kit, a demo kit,
and then every once in a whileyou have to clay demo a concept
(32:20):
and you have to make littlepeople and somebody has to come
up to your concept and look atit and say the concept.
So you can't just phone it in.
You've got to really make apicture in your mind and then
visualize that and model that inclay, and it's called a clay
demo.
And it's everyone in Scientology.
(32:41):
If you've been in for five daysor five years, you've done some
clay demos and um, and you getclay all over your hands and
it's just a giant nightmare.
Thank goodness for baby wipes.
When baby wipes came out, claydemos were revolutionized
because you could clean up afteryourself very well with clay.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Yeah, oh.
And by the way, just to beclear, it could not be
plasticine.
That was forbidden by Hubbard.
It had to be actual clay.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, there's like an entire or Play-Doh.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
It couldn't be Play-Doh, it couldn't be
anything that's easy to workwith.
It had to be clay.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, modeling clay was cold.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
If the clay was cold, then you.
Then it was going to take youtwice as long to do your clay
demo.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
It's so funny that you say cold, because at the
International Base it's in thedesert, right.
So we had two types of claydemos.
We had oh my God, you'rebeating the clay with a hammer.
There was actually hammers androlling pins at the clay demo
(33:46):
play table so you could work theclay and then it's.
That was in the winter, it wasjust literally.
It's like 25 degrees out andyou're out.
The clay demo area was outsideand it had a patio over it and
the old qual.
So you would be outside,basically in a in an outdoor
patio, and it's 25 degrees andit's impossible.
It would take you three hoursto do something.
It should probably take youfive minutes anyway.
And then the other one was inAugust.
(34:08):
You just come out and sometimesif you do a clay demo,
sometimes a clay demo could takeyou like five or six hours.
You only have the study periodsonly two and a half hours a day
.
So you'd have to start, youlike'd like you could be reading
something and da da, da, da, dada, and then I could, half an
hour before course is over, youwould go from seven to 1030.
That's when course was everyday, 7.00 PM to 1030 at night.
(34:30):
Cause why not study thefounders uh, sacred knowledge
when you're dead tired and readyto go to sleep.
Anyway, that's when study timewas, because that's when people
are least productive and alsohalf the people are sleeping in
the course room in these placestoo.
Anyway, you join a clay demo,sure, and you start like a half
(34:54):
an hour before you got to go andthen you leave it there it's.
It's like 10 o'clock at night.
It's cold, it's a little cold,it's fine.
Well, tomorrow it's going to be120.
And you come to course the nextnight and there's just a pool
where this thing you spent ahalf an hour putting together,
it's just a pool of clay.
You're like, eh, I'm going todo that again.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
Anyway, so that's mine, that's.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
Clay, what do you got Okay?
So I just wanted to tap inagain and comment about Keir
Egan.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
So first of all, we're going to get through like
three things.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
That's what I said and this is not my point, by the
way, so this doesn't count formy turn.
I just wanted to say, obviously, first of all, keir Egan it's
an unusual name, as is LafayetteRonald Hubbard.
Second of all, one of the firstscenes when the innie is
arriving to work, you see thegiant bust of Keir or the giant
(35:53):
diagram or picture of Keir Eganin the lobby, and then there's
busts, which of course, coursethere are there's.
I mean, I've been looking atbusts of l ron hubbard since I
was six and even when I waslittle I was like that dude is
kind of ugly, like well, hisnose and his mouth, and I was
just like why do they have thesethings everywhere?
Speaker 1 (36:16):
it's a policy.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
I think there has to be a bust in every single
scientology organization thatexists there has to be a bus and
there has to be an office inevery single Scientology
organization that exists.
There has to be a bust andthere has to be an office for L.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Ron Hubbard.
Yeah, and usually the bust isoutside the office or something
like that, or sometimes they'rein the office, I don't know, but
there has to be a bust andthere has to be an L Ron Hubbard
office in every singleScientology organization.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
And it's always roped off Nobody can go in there.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, it's got a red velvet rope across the door and
you look in there and it's good.
There's an e-meter set up athis desk and a typewriter over
here and his books and all hisnew material and you're just
like, and that's in every singleplace.
And you know that's part oftheir scam.
Whenever they come out with newmaterials, every organization
has to buy a new set just forhis office.
(37:01):
It's like there's a constantcircular money thing.
Okay, well, you burned yourthing.
No, I didn't.
You burned your thing.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
No, so back on to surveys.
We're going to talk about theuse of surveys in severance.
So again back to the woman islaying on the table.
It's Heli.
Heli is her name, and the voiceagain comes out of nowhere and
says I wondered if you'd mindtaking a brief survey.
And again it's.
(37:28):
It just was a flashback for meto the, as you said.
But at the end of each courseyou'd be asked would you want
someone else to have theknowledge you now have?
Like that exact question,exactly as I said, it is
dictated by L Ron Hubbard, orthe alternate version is would
(37:49):
you want someone else to havesimilar gains to yours?
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Like seriously surveys all the time.
Anyway, that's my one.
Speaker 1 (37:59):
Okay, good, Well, I get to do a follow-up on your
one.
Sure, Because you did afollow-up on my one, Fair, Okay.
So whenever Scientology isstarting in a new area or
they're trying to do something,they do surveys.
They hire companies to dosurveys, they do their own
surveys.
They have people that haveclipboards, that are out on the
(38:19):
street asking questions and theyhave this in it.
It's actually called the surveynetwork, and so they have
people everywhere in the worldand their job is to do surveys.
I don't know if it's a big thingnow.
It used to be huge in the 80sand in the 90s and they would
use these people.
So international managementwould say we want to know about
(38:39):
this.
What do the public that's whatthey refer to as basically
potential new Scientologists thepublic or people that are going
to give them money.
They refer to those people asthe public or people that are
going to give them money.
They refer to those people asthe public.
And if it's not a Scientologykind of field where they have
people that they're marketing to, they call those people raw
(39:02):
public, not their public, buttheir raw public, and that's
somebody who doesn't know aboutScientology.
And so they have raw publicsurveys and they have public
surveys and they ask all thesequestions and then they get all
these answers back.
And so they have raw publicsurveys and they have public
surveys and they ask all thesequestions and then they get all
these answers back and then theygo.
Okay, we did.
And this is L Ron Hubbard wassuper hardcore into surveys.
He just talked about surveysnonstop.
(39:23):
And so the idea was, if youknow what the people want, then
you can tailor your marketing tothat exact thing and to the
buttons.
So the buttons that the peoplehave.
So the button that comes upwith is people want to know what
is Scientology, and so thenthey do ads that they say what
(39:48):
is Scientology and then they'regoing to tell you what it is.
And I do the Jason voicebecause Jason did a lot of
voiceovers and he would say yes,you should do Scientology.
If you don't know that, I'mtalking about Jason Begay from
Chicago PD.
He was a big time Sino when wewere there, Anyway.
(40:09):
So L Ron Hubbard really washardcore on the surveys and they
do surveys in there.
Okay, that was a lot for afollow-up.
Yeah, it was Okay, break room.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Oh, my God.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So in Severance they have this thing called the break
room.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
AKA Department 3, AKA the ethics office.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Yeah, so in the break room they basically just get
interrogated and they record itas well, and it's sort of a
confessional type ofinterrogation.
So, just like scientology hasthis thing called a security
check, and they have a thingcalled an interrogation, and
they have a thing called anethics interview, and they're
all kind of just a cousin of theother and they are recorded on
(40:55):
video and audio.
Actually, a lot of people don'tknow this.
If you're in a Scientologyorganization that's a new one
Every single counseling sessionis recorded on audio and video
in the world.
It doesn't matter if you're TomCruise or if you're Billy Bob
from Kentucky.
Your sessions, your counselingsessions, your confessionals,
(41:17):
are all recorded and they'redigitally stored.
I know because I set up hundredsand hundreds and hundreds of
these rooms with cameras twocameras, one microphone and like
basically a digital capturesystem that feeds to a server,
anyway.
And so in Severance they havethis thing called the break room
it's literally identical and aspart of that they have this
(41:39):
thing called the woe meter andyou basically hold these two
things in your hands and thismeter measures your responses
while they're giving you aninterrogation.
Are you kidding me?
Scientology has a thing calledthe e-meter and they you hold
two things in your hands and theperson asking the questions is
(42:00):
running like a little controlpanel.
It looks like an easy bake oven.
I kid you, not just Google easybake oven and then Google mark
eight quantum e-meter and you'regoing to see it too easy bake
ovens.
So the similarity between theshow and Scientology, like that.
Okay, even if you just saidnothing else like oh yeah, we
(42:21):
had.
We do clay in my cult.
Oh, we do.
We worship the founder of mycult.
Oh, we, we do surveys.
Do you have a frickingelectronic meter that measures
your responses while gettinginterrogated?
If you do, let us know.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (42:37):
Yeah, no, it's one of those.
If you do, you might be inScientology.
You are likely in Scientology.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Like.
For me that's just like.
Oh, come on, like.
Even up until that point I waslike whatever, these are all
just regular weird things, yeah,and they also talk regular
weird things, yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
And they also talk about break room hacks too.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Totally, and that you know what.
That's the best thing ever.
If you like, I'll just tell youif you ever read my book.
My break room hack is I went toa Depeche Mode concert at the
Rose Bowl.
It was called Concert 101 fromthe Music for the Masses album,
and I was front row center.
(43:16):
This is pre-Seahawk.
I was like 13, I guess what wasit?
13 or 14, whatever.
It was a spiritual experiencefor me.
Sacred, it was very sacred.
Anyway, it rained during thesong sacred, that's a song.
It rained and then stoppedraining.
(43:38):
There's it was.
It was crazy.
Anyway, I'm front row centerfor that.
Um, I'm a huge tepech mode fan,still to this day.
Um, and so whenever I wasgetting getting a security check
, getting interrogated, I Iwould just think about that
concert and got through a lot ofinterrogations with no
(43:59):
problemos, and so that was sortof my go-to break room hack and
that, literally, like when I wasin the deepest of deepest
troubles, I was just likesailing through those
interrogations.
Nobody could like.
Literally, people would call meout like dude, what the hell?
And if you, they think you'redoing break room hacks, if they
think you're manipulating themeter or doing it, they have a
(44:22):
whole set of questions to smokeyou out of that, so that if
you're doing it, basically inScientology, the, the, the deck
of cards is they give you, isyou, they give you the deck, and
then they make you build it.
And so, if you know, if youthink you're in trouble, you're
in trouble.
If you think you're not introuble, you're not in trouble.
(44:42):
And so as long as you fall forthe bullshit, then they'll get
you.
But if you're just like I knowthis is bullshit, we're playing
a game and I'm going to play itwith my rules, then it works
fine.
So break room hack.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, and also, just to add on to the darkness of the
break room scenes, they showhow Mark Scout the boss guy,
yeah, not me.
Yeah, not Mark, not Mark Hedley.
Mark Scout was trying toprotect Heli.
(45:25):
Yeah, not me.
Dark, eerie scene where they'resaying they have to say the
same statement over and, overand over again and, uh, the
ethics officer is like nope, youdidn't mean it.
Not enough feeling all thisother stuff.
Anyway, crazy, crazy.
All right, so now it's my turnyeah, okay so the next one I'm
(45:45):
going to talk about is thewellness wellness room, the
wellness sessions, and, um, andthe spooky part about this is
that the wellness counselor,jemma, which what she called
miss casey down there I thinkthey have different names too um
(46:06):
, she is actually the main guy'swife who he thought died in a
in a car accident.
Yeah, so this is some kind ofweird social experiment, and you
do.
They haven't actually shown youwhat the end, the end game, is
yet, but either way, they'rekind of like studying the fact
(46:29):
that mark down in it marks anyhas no idea who gemma is.
None whatsoever.
Um, and the wellness like thewhole thing about the wellness
break room.
Um, hold on, let me find itreal quick.
I have.
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Well, I'm gonna just say one thing while you're
looking for that.
Yeah, the other thing is sothey tell so there's a guy and a
gal that are.
They're both in the real worldtogether and they're both in the
severance world, but they don'tknow each other, as in the
severance world as husband andwife, but they're married in the
outside world, but in theinside world she.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
She was killed in a car accident.
Well that's the reason he choseto get severed is to cut
himself off from that grief.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Okay, good, but the thing is is that they tell her
that he's remarried and has kidsand they tell him that she died
in a car accident.
They're both alive, they'reboth fine, so in the outside
world she's dead to him, butthen he's talking to her in the
inside world and she's not hiswife in that world, so he
(47:33):
doesn't know who she is.
The crazy thing about this isthat in Scientology they do this
thing where they split upcouples.
They send one to Keokuk andthen they have one at the
international base or whatever.
And then they tell the wife, oh,your husband wants a divorce.
And then they tell the husband,oh, your wife wants a divorce.
And then they get to, neitherone of them wanted a divorce,
(47:55):
but they tell each other thatthey want a divorce and it's
like, oh, screw you, I'm notgoing to see you again anyway.
So you know, sucks to be you.
And then when those people thenget out of the seawork and then
they meet MacGuffin, they'relike, well, you wanted a divorce
, like yeah, I never wanted todo it.
They do that.
They do that in the seaboard.
And when that happens in theshow, I'm just like, oh, another
(48:17):
one.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
You're just like, really, come on, seriously, like
this is so wild, um yep anyway,the one last one, I think well,
hold on, we're not done withwellness, remember no so there's
.
There's also quotes everywhere.
Um, so even in the wellnesslike entrance lounge area, on
(48:40):
the wall it says tame thytempers, let not weakness live
in your veins.
Um, and they have this wholething where they give the
wellness counselor givescomments like your outtie loves
to take a walk on the beach, andif there's any reaction then
they get points taken off andthey get less time with the
(49:00):
wellness counselor, which is sosimilar to bull bait, trs.
You know all of that kind ofnonsense, yeah, no reaction.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
You're not allowed to read, you can't, and when
you're in the sea or you can'treact to stuff, there's so much
craziness going.
I think they knew there wasgoing to be a level of nonsense
that would be unprecedented, andthey basically we have to numb
these people to the amount ofnonsense.
Yeah, Because you, there's thecraziest things happen and
you're just like you're going to, you're going to go to lunch,
(49:30):
you know, are you going to?
Are we going to go to lunch?
Are we not going to go to lunchCause this happened?
Or can we still go to lunch?
Like who cares?
You guys just got in a fightand one of you broke your arm.
Can we go to lunch now?
Like whatever?
Um, just like like.
Oh, did you hear?
Tom chopped his finger off thetable?
Saw what?
What?
Anyway, you want to get somechips?
(49:51):
What do you want?
You're going to catch the bus,it's almost 1230.
Speaker 2 (49:55):
We laugh, but it's awful too.
It has occurred to me inretrospect that the ideal Sea
Org member is an android like,devoid of all emotions, devoid
of everything, devoid of anypersonal commitments, any you
know personal relationships.
You don't have friends youdon't have partners.
(50:17):
None of that.
The best is just be completelyisolated and completely focused
on the protocols of Keir Egan,aka L Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1 (50:27):
Well, you know, I'm just to say the other thing is,
if you do have like thoughtsabout something else outside of
Scientology, like if you have agenuine like oh, I think I want
to do this or I want to do that,that is literally a point that
they a piece of leverage thatthey can then use against you
because it's it's not okay to bethinking that.
So if you voice interest or yousay like you know, I always
(50:51):
wanted to get a jet ski, or youknow I always wanted to do this,
they'd be like oh okay, soyou're like, what do they call
it?
Speaker 2 (50:58):
off purpose other fish to fry no, no um wog, no,
not.
Speaker 1 (51:03):
Uh, first dynamic oriented.
Like you see, it's all about me.
So, yeah, that's the firstdynamic in Scientology of the
eight dynamics.
If you want to do something foryou, then that's first dynamic
oriented.
Or they had another one.
It was called PTS to the middleclass.
Like you want a house, you wantkids, you want a dog, you want
(51:26):
a nice car, you want a nice car.
Then you were PTS to the middleclass and that was a potential
trouble source.
So the middle class was yoursuppressive person and you're a
potential trouble source becauseyou want to be like that, you
want to be, you want to havethings.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, you're being influenced.
You're being unduly influencedby the outside world, rather
than focusing completely onpolicy and getting up the bridge
and bringing new people intoScientology and doing all the
things that a good Scientologistdoes.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
Basically, you're off purpose or you're not dedicated
to the cause Like you have.
Yeah, like you said, other fishto fry, that's all.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Panty waste dilettante.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Oh, chasing butterflies, that's all.
Panty waist dilettante.
Oh chasing butterflies, holymoly.
Speaker 2 (52:15):
Turn that wandering gaze into a dedicated glare.
Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, see Commit to memory the bullshit of the
founder.
Okay, so listen.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
We know it's spooky when we start saying the same
words at the same time, but thatis the world of Scientology.
One hundred percent, absolutelyhow.
We know it's a cult, okay, atthe same time, but that is the
world of Scientology 100%,absolutely how we know it's a
cult.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Okay, so I think we do some comments and then we do
a giveaway.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Okay, awesome, yeah, because and if you guys like
this, I love Severance If youwant us to do a part two, tell
him.
Speaker 1 (52:47):
I got to put it in the comments.
Don't tell me.
Put it in the comments.
That's how you tell me Clairewould so love.
Speaker 2 (52:55):
I mean, I have like five more pages of notes to talk
about here.
That are.
Some of them are reallyimportant.
Speaker 1 (53:02):
She was we every week .
We, you know, we just want todo whatever videos we want to do
.
We don't really care what'sgoing on.
There's always something goingon, and if you want to do that,
you want to know about that.
Go to Tony Ortega's blog andyou'll see what's going on.
If it's something that involvesus, like this, is a good point.
If it's something that involvesus or we know about, we'll
(53:23):
probably do a video on it.
If it's weird for me to do avideo on something that I don't
know, I'm not part of, I don'tknow about it.
So I try to do videos aboutScientology, about the stuff I
know, and I know about all thisstuff.
And when I saw this show whichI also watched, so I know about
that I go they're 100% I could,we'll talk about this.
(53:45):
And so when we were trying tothink, claire's like, oh, we
could do a video about this.
And so when we were trying tothink, claire's like, oh, we
could do a video about this, andI was like I don't know
anything about that, I won't beable to talk about it.
I said, what if we do one aboutseverance?
And she's like, yes, oh, my God, I'm part of a group and we
talk about everything and howit's Scientology.
I was like, oh, my goodness,i'm'm, I'm more, more than
halfway through.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
But still, like, there's a lot of things, a lot
of parallels and, like I said,we didn't really organize these
in terms of sequence ofimportance because, frankly, I
don't think you can reallynecessarily evaluate like what
(54:26):
might seem impactful or a hugeparallel to me might be
different to someone who wasnever in Scientology but has
incredible knowledge about, like, the number of people that we
know that were never inScientology but now understand
the language, the mechanisms,the control, the leverage.
All of that is fascinating.
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I'm just putting up some of the people
that I guess there's a lot ofpeople in here.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (54:51):
They want to do part two.
Yeah, but'm just putting upsome of the people that I guess
there's a lot of people in here.
Oh, okay, they want to do Parttwo?
Yay, but Mark does videos aboutOT3.
Yeah, because I done read it,so I know about it.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
I didn't do it in Scientology I might as well have
now.
Speaker 1 (55:03):
I'm Xenu's homeboy.
If somebody knows how to trackdown BTs, it's me, because I
know the guy who'd been donemaking them Okay.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
BTs, it's me, because I know the guy who'd been done
making them, yeah, and so, yes,he didn't do OT3, but I did.
So it kind of makes it funnyfor us to have some banter back
and forth about this, and plus,let's just call a spade a spade,
hi Osa.
Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, I've said this before.
If you're new to the channel oryou are like trying to catch up
, if we talk about Xenu and wetalk about OT3, we talk about
body Thetans, it limits theamount of Scientology people
that are allowed to watch ourchannel, which makes more of
them watch our channel, becausein Scientology, if you're not
(55:43):
allowed to do something, you'regoing to get to doing it, okay.
The other thing is that youhave to they basically have to
have a scientologist who is ofthat level or above to be able
to deal with us, because they'dhave to watch our videos or they
have to be in the comments oryou know, I bet you they'd even
make them.
(56:03):
You got to do this.
But you can't turn the audio onlike that might.
That would be something an osaperson would say, like I need
you to watch this guy's videotoday, but I need you to not
have the audio on, which I don'teven know what the purpose of
watching the video would be.
Oh, if you want to stir uptrouble in the comments, I guess
.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Yeah, or see who's in the chat.
Oh, that's true, or whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:21):
Yeah, hey, also, fair warning.
Okay, there's a lot of.
You know, if you do like thevideos and you're not in
Scientology, hit subscribe,because we have a lot of
Scientologists that watch andthey're so paranoid that they
won't even subscribe.
It's a real.
It's a real thing.
Every person that I've talkedto that's in Scientology that
has contacted me and said hey, Iwatch the channel One of the
(56:44):
things I always ask them at thefirst thing but I go hey, by the
way, did you subscribe to thechannel?
Oh, no, dude, I first thing,but I go hey, by the way, did
you subscribe to the channel?
Oh, no, dude, I don't want tolisten to know about.
Uh, I'm just like come onScientology, You're jacking with
my, you're messing up thealgorithm.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
Really.
Speaker 1 (57:01):
If you think about it , yep Um, which is not okay,
it's not cool.
Um, okay, let's film be like doyou want to?
Uh, do some more here?
Oh, here's another one.
Oh, it's going too fast.
I'm going back over to thestart.
Speaker 2 (57:10):
Okay, sounds good.
Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay, sorry, here we go.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
All right, trevon, on Hi Osa, if you want to leave,
reach out to the AftermathFoundation.
Yes, absolutely, thank you, andwe will.
By the way, I didn't know that.
Yeah, bear's mom, we appreciate.
Oh, you taking the time to yepTrevon on that is hilarious.
(57:36):
Doing grades while watchingMark's video Okay, cool.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
That's what Catherine said.
Speaker 2 (57:43):
Oh, Matt Denny question why did the whole?
Why do the whole divorce thing?
What do they gain from it?
A sense of control?
Yes, absolutely 100%.
It's a sense of control.
In fact they, they want people,they want members isolated, and
with no, they, they just wantcomplete control over them.
(58:04):
So, for example, Mark and Iwere being pressured to, I was
being pressured to divorce Mark.
Speaker 1 (58:12):
They knew I would never divorce.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
The entire 13 years that we were there.
Over the years like multipletimes.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah, they knew I would never divorce Claire.
They were trying to pressureher to divorce me and I would
give her shit about it all thetime.
Are you going to divorce me?
Speaker 2 (58:36):
And I'd be like, why are you saying that?
He was like well, and you wouldnever say well, I know, I know
that you're being pressured todivorce me, you would never say
that, but but it would alwaysgive me this feeling like, oh my
God, how does he know?
Why was he asking me this?
But I could never ask him.
We could never have aconversation about that, cause
that would be then the next timeeither of us were interrogated.
It would just make it a wholelot worse.
So, yes, catherine, grade twois overts and withholds.
Yes, exactly, catherine Olson.
(58:58):
I got through grade two while Iwas watching your videos, marga
.
Speaker 1 (59:01):
That's what she.
That's what Pete was talkingabout.
Okay, that is amazing, I'msorry.
I put up his comment havingread the other comments, but
nobody else did so.
Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, no comment.
Having read the other comments,but nobody else did so, sorry
about that.
Yeah, um, miss amber sunshine.
That never makes sense to me,because you're supposed to be
well rested fed, oh my gosh.
I think there was a third thing, but I don't remember now.
Yeah, well fed, well rested forthe metabolism no, we were
talking about for study, even.
Oh, yeah, and so but you wouldnever.
No alcohol.
Yeah, that was another On thestudent's guide.
Speaker 1 (59:34):
No drugs or alcohol.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
Right, and that's another severance.
All the protocols, the protocolWell-rested.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
Are you well-fed?
Speaker 2 (59:42):
Yes, okay, come on guys, this is getting silly now,
the student's guide toacceptable behavior was one code
that you had to commit to mind,to memory, then the code of a
Sea Org member, the code of anauditor, whatever.
We could go on and on.
Oh, daniel Sander, glad to becatching a BFG live again.
Greetings from Denmark.
(01:00:02):
Good to see you, daniel.
Thank you for joining us andthank you for the super chat.
Mark and Claire, it's so goodto see you too.
Lost boys and golden girls.
The x scientology space hasbecome so toxic with drama.
You two are such a breath offresh air you know what they've
always, I know I was just gonnasay it's of toxic, so it doesn't
matter where this topic hasgone.
Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
It doesn't matter there's always drama, guys drama
.
Humans are tribal and humansare drama.
They love drama.
They love.
No, people love drama.
That's everything that's on TV.
Soap operas.
You know your-.
Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
True crime.
Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Chicago, pd, chicago, it's all drama.
It's just all drama that youdon't have in your life.
And you see it over there andyou go what are these folks up
to?
And then some people want toget involved, some people want
to be the ones who make thedrama.
Everybody has their part toplay and when it was on, there
was a website called OperationClambake and they had a message
(01:01:08):
board.
It was called OCMB OperationClambake Message Board and I
will tell you they had you haveex-C org members,
ex-scientologists, critics,journalists and OSA and OSA
operatives, like publicScientologists that work for OSA
.
They're all in there togetherand they make that's what that's
(01:01:30):
you Every day.
You'd be like what's up today?
And you'd go in there and you'dbe like, oh shit, so-and-so did
what?
And it was just drama.
And then it was on Facebook andthen it was why we protest.
And then it was X Scientologymessage board and it was YouTube
, and then it was the real worldand it's so doesn't wherever,
wherever.
(01:01:51):
I don't think that's aScientology thing.
Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
I think that's just a human thing.
No, I just think that-.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
And Scientology loves to stir it up.
Correct, that's the thing.
That is the difference.
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
They want to distract us from our goal.
Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Our goal is simply to expose a destructive cult, and
if somebody wants to get out,then help them get out.
That's it really.
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
And the best way that we have found to do that is to
tell these stories, becausethere's another Scientologist
who's watching and they have astory that's just like our story
and they and the things thatwe're talking about.
We're not making shit up.
We're telling you what happenedat the highest levels of
scientology management and ifyou go like that's the boss,
(01:02:35):
that's david muscavige, is theone doing all this nuttiness and
he and this is an everydaything with this guy and then
people that think that believethe narrative that scientology
is telling them, and then thatwhat we're telling them they
know, because they're seeingsome of these things, or they're
just seeing the edges, orthey've heard a story, or they
(01:02:55):
know somebody that was in theSea Org and this happened to, or
so when we do this, they know,they're like, oh yeah, those
guys are telling the real deal.
So that's why we don't.
It's not that I don't, it's notthat I don't care about some of
these other people or some ofthe other stuff.
That's why we don't.
It's not.
It's not that I don't, it's notthat I don't care about some of
(01:03:15):
these other people or some ofthe other stuff that's going on,
but it's just like I was therefor 15 years.
I know that the nonsense thathappens online is is a hundredth
of the nonsense that happenedin the Sea Org, so I am numb to
it in the Sea Org.
So I am numb to it.
In the Sea Org, everyone isthere, are there's a group of
people that are the backstabbersand there's a group of people
(01:03:39):
that are the 9-to-5ers or the8-to-12ers.
Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Or the wallflowers as some would call them.
They just blend into thebackground.
They're.
Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
NPCs, if you know what that is.
It's in the game, which is thepeople that are programmed to do
the thing they do, and that'sall they do they're.
They have NPCs in the Sea OrgAnyway.
And and also there is a sort ofsnobbery and the Sea Org of
what, where you worked.
And so if you worked in a lowerorg, you were a Sea Org member.
(01:04:11):
In a lower org, like anorganization in the middle of
nowhere in the United States orin just some far-flung country,
then you were the lowest form ofSea Org member.
And then if you worked in anadvanced organization, you were
the next level of Sea Org member.
And then it went like that.
And if you were at Golden ArrowProductions, you were higher
than 90% of everybody else, butat the place you worked at you
(01:04:33):
were in the lower 1%.
So even if you were at theinternational base, you were
anywhere you went in the Sea Org, they had to call you sir, but
at the property you were thedeputy, deputy de-wheater, so it
didn't.
It wasn't like when you werethere you weren't shit, but if
you went somewhere else you werethe bomb, so they, and.
But if you went somewhere elseyou were the bomb, so they.
(01:04:54):
And then if you were inreligious technology center like
sweetness over here, then youwere like I mean, you were,
she's a come on now.
That's how we had a TV boy.
That's how I got, that's how Ihooked up that TV.
I got some of that RTC whiff,just a little whiff RTC.
So even if somebody went intoour room and there was a TV in
(01:05:15):
there, you ain't taking a TV outof an RTC staff member, a Sea
Org member's room.
You'd get your ass chewed ifyou did that.
That's a reality.
Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
That is true.
Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Anyway.
So thank you, whoever that was,who said that, lost Boys and
Golden Girls.
Thank you for the super chat aswell.
Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
Okay, so we'll do a few more and then we'll do our
giveaway, cause we're running,we're out of time.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Oh, just call me.
Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Betsy Hi, betsy, good to see you here.
Thanks for joining us, thankyou.
Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
I'm just going to put up a few more.
Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Okay, coffee, milk dude, the parallels, the
parallels to the seorg audi andany.
It's uncanny.
100, yep, absolutely yes,looking forward to more bfg
content, awesome, yes, uh,coffee first, always 100.
Oh man, can't wait to hear thisreplay, unfortunately.
(01:06:06):
Oh, okay then sorry you're good,can't read that fast, honey,
wow, you're going.
You're like what's this coffee?
All right, oh man, can't waitto hear this replay.
Unfortunately, this live is 5am in australia.
Awesome, all right, well, thankyou.
The protest scene and then,believing they're down there for
(01:06:28):
a worthy cause, then therecorded confessional from the
break room, which sounds likequote how you pull in everything
bad that happens to you 100,yeah we'll make a note of that
for the next one, becausethere's a whole nother thing
that, uh is very parallel tothat yeah, especially many more
in season two.
Um, I can see mark bullshittingthe meter.
(01:06:50):
Yes, exactly, glenda stevenendaStevenson.
Speaker 1 (01:06:52):
Good to see you.
Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Glenda.
Speaker 1 (01:06:53):
Yep, that's right hey there.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
Did people get promoted from gold to higher
orgs?
Yes, that's what happened in mycase.
I worked at Golden EraProductions from 91 until 96.
And then I was moved up toreligious technology center and
it's kind of weird.
Even there, like you know, onceyou're being considered for a
(01:07:20):
higher organization, you cannotsay no, that would be, that's
right.
Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
You can't refuse a promotion in the C organization.
No, it's basically like if youdon't, if you refuse a promotion
, you will be demoted.
Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
That's pretty much how it goes.
Speaker 1 (01:07:35):
You're either going to go up or you're going to go
down.
Speaker 2 (01:07:37):
That's right.
That's why I one time describedScientology like a skyscraper
the further up you go, theharder it is to get out, because
there's no way out.
You just go deeper and deeper,or?
Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
like a spider web.
There's no elevator down youget more you got to jump out a
window.
Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
Yeah, the more you wriggle the, the, the worse off.
You're going to be Right.
There you go, bruce Hines, hiyou guys, hey Bruce, thanks for
joining us.
Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
Hey Bruce.
Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
Local Juco, best story ever.
Glad you dropped the song name.
Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Oh yes, there you go.
Song name.
Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Oh yes, there you go.
I don't know that I really hada hack.
I didn't have that kind of ahack.
Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
Oh yeah, somebody was asking what's Claire's hack?
What's Claire's hack I?
Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
don't know, Think happy thoughts.
I guess that was my own versionof it.
I just didn't have such a greatthing to fall back on.
Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
But yeah, there you go Okay, this is the last one.
Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Lupita.
Heli is a redhead.
Yes, heli are.
I love Heli.
He's a rebel.
Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
Okay, so we're going to put this up and we're going
to do this.
I've got a giveaway link.
Let's see if it works.
Oh, it's been up the whole time.
Oh, no, it's right here.
Let's see if it worked.
Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Okay, hashtag any.
Oh yeah, we had 58 peopleentered.
Cool, awesome, that's goodenough.
Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Okay, here we go, we're going to draw.
Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
It was nice to just change topic for a little bit.
It was kind of funny to reviewthe parallels of severance to
Scientology.
It makes it a little less heavythan some of the other things
we've talked about.
Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Yeah, bear's mom.
I think Bear's mom has wonbefore.
Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
You always say that you say that whenever anyone
wins.
Bear's mom, here's your spiel.
Send me an email claire atbloomforgoodcom with a link to
what you would like from the BFGmerch store or the spshopcom,
and we will get you taken careof.
Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
Thanks for watching.
And you know what A lot oftimes when I say bears, mom or
somebody won, they do say in thecomments that they have won.
Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
Okay, not always though.
Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
I think the one, the one that really stands out in my
mind, was purple groovy 69.
Congratulations, bears mom.
There we go.
Yay, see, it's fun doing this.
Oh yeah, Look at this Hi from apoet, brian Lucas I love your
(01:10:02):
morning videos.
Awesome, terry Ray.
Hello, hello everybody.
Oh, there's Salty Beach Girl,lori Lupita.
Congrats Bears, mom.
There we go.
I don't know why I enter.
I always give it back.
Yeah, there's.
There's a lot of people thatthat do that, that pay it
forward, and we really like thattoo, not that you have to, that
we.
(01:10:22):
We do it to give stuff awayjust for fun, you know, uh, okay
oh, look up, katherine's gotsomething to say at Glenda
Stevenson.
The ones who do the drama do itfor the money.
There you go, Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Maybe I don't know how much money there is, maybe
not always we do it for the funand there's not that much money.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
Speaking of which, I'm going to take this moment to
show what we have added.
Look.
Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
Yeah, oh, we've got to put it up.
This is a check that we gotfrom scientology.
It's actually from ken moxonand kenneth moxon from.
Uh, is it bowls and moxon?
Is that the name of the?
Speaker 2 (01:10:59):
moxon and cobran trust and cobran this is a check
made out to claire headley fromapril 1st 2009 for 45 dollars.
Memo witness fee yeah which werefused to cash.
Mark has one too.
Speaker 1 (01:11:13):
Yeah, Mine's a.
Mine's up here somewhere.
I don't know where it is, butit's back there.
Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
The point being we, we don't, we do not subscribe to
doing it for money, that's thepoint.
Speaker 1 (01:11:22):
Look who's here.
Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Uh, Scientology, peeling the onion Mark here Hi.
Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Mark, awesome, good to see you here.
Hey, mark, how's it going?
We got to do.
We were doing videos together along time ago when I was doing
them during the week and doingstuff, but now that I'm only
doing, we're only doing kind ofone video, but we'll have to get
back into doing that when I'mnot in the middle of doing
everything else.
Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
I love Food.
Kitchen says I love how markcalls him ken when he hates that
yeah, his name is kenneth moxon.
Speaker 1 (01:11:55):
I think that's his name, kendrick kendrick, is it
kendrick?
It doesn't actually say, say ohmy goodness, she's breaking the
place.
It just says moxon, a coburntrust account.
Um, anyway, while claire'swrecking, everything here I'll
take off the camera off her sowe don't have to see what she's
doing.
Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Oh my goodness, that was a disaster, that was
exciting.
Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
I always knew him as Ken Monkson and I didn't know
that he didn't like that, butthat's what Dave always called
him and I think Dave called himthat because he didn't like that
.
Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
I just knew that that was his name name kendrick
harvey said he also goes by rick, which I think he does.
Speaker 1 (01:12:35):
He has at various points yes, doesn't he go by
rick yeah maybe that's the thing.
Yes, cash, and oh, you're right, there's too many pieces now.
Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
It's now the chats yeah, no, which is awesome yeah,
look great input folks.
Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
Thank you, there you go.
Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
So, rick moxon, so not to be confused with the D
version.
Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
It's so funny that I only call him Ken Moxon and his
name is Kendrick and he hatesKen.
Shout out to Kenny boy.
We should do a whole videoabout that dude and his daughter
, but yeah, actually.
Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
I was thinking that we should, because the
anniversary is coming up in June.
Speaker 1 (01:13:11):
Yeah, I don't know, we'll see that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Okay, I was thinking that we should, because the
anniversary is coming up in June.
Speaker 1 (01:13:14):
Yeah, I don't know, we'll see that's heavy.
Okay, I think we did it, folks.
We went a little over.
We went a little over, but wehad a good time.
We did, we had fun.
Yeah, if you guys want to getnotified when we're going to do
a live, then if you hit thesubscribe button and then also
enter the bell, hit the bellnotification, then it'll let you
(01:13:35):
know when we're going to do alive.
We are going to try.
We're going to try to get up to40,000 subscribers and we used
to do a thing when we first kindof you know, I got a.
I got a notification fromYouTube that our channel is 17
years old.
Speaker 2 (01:13:52):
Yay.
Speaker 1 (01:13:53):
Because I started it that long ago.
Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, we just never did anything and I just used it
as a place to put videos that Ihad no like.
Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
if I wanted to send somebody a video, I was like,
well, I think you should putthis up, and they're like I
don't want to put it up.
I'll be like, okay, fine, I'llthere like the list of all the
scientology hate sites or, yeah,the domains that are based on
david miscavige or whatever.
Anyway, um, and now when westarted doing these like kind of
weekly videos, we've been,we've been building up
(01:14:21):
subscribers and we're up to like30, I think we're we we just
got over like 37 000, so we dowant to try to get up to 40,000
subscribers.
I think that's not a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
Um, if so it's, it's not that big of a deal.
It's not the end of the world,but you know, we might get
another $13 a month if we had afew more subscribers.
And, uh, you know we're notdoing this for our health.
Okay, we're doing it becausethe more people that want to see
it, we'll do it and we don'thave.
I mean, we've been talkingabout this for 20 years.
(01:14:55):
We've been on like TV shows andmovies, yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
But also I really like what you brought up, where
you were watching somebody andyou just talked about building a
legacy of kind of documentingour lives, especially for our
kids' sake, so they know who weare, because you know God only
knows.
If you Google our names, youcome across the OSA hate
websites, so why not be able totell our our story in our words
(01:15:19):
and have that be there inperpetuity?
Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Yeah, yeah.
And the other thing is weprobably have more subscribers
than there are Scientologistsright now.
Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (01:15:29):
We know there's more people watching us that are in
Scientology, that are actuallygoing to course and doing
counseling and giving them money, and there's not more than
30,000 now.
So it's fun for us to be ableto say we have more people.
But if we had a lot more that'dbe even more fun.
But that's all good, we did it.
We did another stream.
(01:15:49):
You can also listen to these onany podcast platform.
We have every single episodethat we've done.
Besides a few Q&As which we'remaking available every week, we
add another Q&A that we've donein the past to the podcast.
If you're only listening tothis on a podcast and you don't
watch this on YouTube, and so ifyou do like podcasts, you can
(01:16:11):
subscribe to the podcast as well, and it just downloads to your
little podcast app every week.
You don't have to really doanything.
Awesome, I think we're good.
Oh, we have one last supersticker.
Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (01:16:24):
Which it's not letting me put up, so I'm not
sure what to do with that Anextra $13.
Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Hopefully that will be going straight towards your
next IAS statue, platinumDepeche Moditorius.
Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Somebody put Stan Push for the birthday game.
Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:16:40):
Anyway, yeah, lots of people.
There's Betsy, sue, I put thatup.
I don't know, I don't know howI can't put this.
Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
It's okay, betsy.
Speaker 1 (01:16:50):
Sue, I've been trying to put up your thing but it's
just shows me there, but itwon't let me put it up, so I
hope I already put it up.
Speaker 2 (01:17:01):
Um, anyway, thanks guys, we will see you next week
and, um, yeah, I won't see younext week.
Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
I will until next time.
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