The Triangle of Control: Inside RTC's Secret Authority Over Scientology - Scientology Secrets #1 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode of Ithink we'll call this one
Scientology Secrets.
This is a Q&A.
We're going to do a Q&A, andjoined with me today is my
lovely wife Claire.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Hey, hey, hey, great to see everybody.
Thanks for joining us today.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
As usual, we want you to let us know where you're
watching from or listening from,and the secret word today is
secrets with an S.
We are going to talk about abunch of Scientology secrets
today, and if you want to enterin to win, we do a giveaway at

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the end of each episode.
Sometimes people would pay usto do a giveaway and so we'd
always end up doing a giveaway,so now we just do a giveaway.
We do one giveaway, no matterwhat, at the end of each video,
and then that way, we don't haveto have people sending in
donations to to prompt us to doa giveaway.
Yes, yeah, so if you want toput up a, we'll put up some of

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the folks where they're comingin from here.
You can read them.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, looking forward to a live hammy to pagan, all
right.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
It's ham it up again, babe.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Ham it up again and she's on a roll.
Becky, big brother fan yes,can't wait to see this.
Katie D yes, 7.
Pm Ireland, I'll be there.
Awesome, good Thanks forjoining us.
Katie Love food kitchen in thehouse.
I'm happy.
The thumbnail includes anupdated photo with the
magnificent beard, mark.

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I mean, I'm not suggestingClaire is sporting a beard these
days, although she can if shewants, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Well, thank you for your equality.
You cannot, how about?

Speaker 2 (01:59):
that, anita, looking forward to another live Awesome.
Thank you so much for joiningus.
Anita, hi, from the Netherlands.
There you go, awesome.
Claudia Rupp.
Claudia from Wisconsin.
Awesome.
Thank you for joining us,lupita.
Any guesses on the word of theday?
My guess is hashtag beard.

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There you go.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yes, no it's secrets.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's got to be on topic for what we're covering
that's the only requirement oreven beard for good.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
What did Scientology try to get the nickname changed
to?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
So we all know it's blown for good.
Scientology, during our lawsuit, was trying to run this whole
campaign that they were going tomake us broke for good.
Fail Beard for good is a muchhappier twist on blown for good.
Hi, claire, mark and everybody,I'm enjoying a rare cloudy day

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in Central Texas and lookingforward to some culty secrets.
Goldenrod, sp.
Love to all.
Nice, thank you for joining us.
Kb Audible oh, auntie Patty isan SP.
New London, connecticut, sweet.
Thank you for joining us.
Hi from DC Awesome.
Greetings from Myrtle Beach,south Carolina.

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Betsy, sue, just call me Betsy.
Shannon Graves hello fromCentral Florida.
Thanks for joining us, shannon.
Good to see you.
Becky, big Brother Fan.
Good evening from Reading,berkshire, nice One Love 51,000,
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Hello from Pennsylvania,awesome.
Agt Mom, north Carolina, here,sweet.

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Good to see you, kit Kat.
Hi from the UK.
Hashtag secrets yes, boom.
Secrets from ConnecticutAwesome.
So I have a question there.
There was a space in betweenthe hashtag and secrets.
Is that going to be entered orshould we tell her to do it
again?
I?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
don't know, you know, I don't know StreamYard.
I mean, I won a few weeks ago.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
I saw that it was the week that I was on vacation.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Seems like StreamYard's up for anything it
needs some R&R, yeah, exactly.
Speaking of up for anything.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Claire.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
Wait a minute.
She doesn't want to wear herglasses, even though she needs
to wear glasses to read.
But she figured out how to makethe font so big on the comments
that she could just read itthat way.
But I said, oh, you're, soyou're going to be free balling
today with no glasses?
She said no, free wheeling.
And I said no, it's freeballing.
And she says no, no, no.

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And then tell them what youtold me.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
So my point was hey, we're a blown for good channel.
We talk about exposingScientology.
So you know how young beard manover here has a fascination
with talking about the alienaspect of certain cults,
specifically Scientology, andtherefore I explained to him
that, as part of the Wall ofFire, ot3.

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Operating Thetan Level 3.
Ot three, um operating Thetanlevel three.
Operating Thetan level three,where you address and supposedly
release your body Thetans, ifyou're not doing a good job,
then your body Thetans startfreewheeling which means this is
a Scientology secret.
It really is, which means thatthey become the dominant being

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and they take over.
And so, for example, when I wasescaping, greg Wilhair, the you
know David Miscavige's deputy,said you're freewheeling, I'm
like whatever.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
That means the BTs are controlling you and you're
not no longer in control of yourbody, but the VTs are
controlling you.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
You've let your case, your case, get out of control,
are you guys?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
hearing this.
This is some Scientology secretaction right here.
They think that the aliens cantake over and this is called
freewheeling.
Okay, and I just thinkfreewheeling is a funny word it
is.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
It kind of reminds me of um that uh blade runner
movie it kind of reminds you ofblade freewheeling.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
What do they say in blade runner, don't they just
know when the robots go?

Speaker 2 (06:18):
right out of control, they start freewheeling they're
doing their own thing now.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yes, they're not doing their job, they're.
They're doing their own thingnow.
Yes, they're not doing theirjob, they're.
They're doing their their ownon a walkabout.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Right, exactly, or you know a Terminator or
whatever, like alien takeovers.
That's crazy guys.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
This is crazy.
This is science.
This is a real thing inScientology.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
We're not um not making it up.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Freewheeling is actually a thing.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
Now, the reason why we're doing, we wanted to do
this episode today was, I wantto say, last year sometime, we
updated the Blown for Goodwebsite we had not updated it in
like 10 years or something likethat.
Yeah, even more, just sold thebook, that's it.
We just had a book on there.
It sold my book and that'sreally all the website was, and

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it was a place to send people toso they could buy my book.
And then, yeah, last yearsometime, we updated it and even
though our old website was justa podunk like page that sold a
book, it was tried to get hackedby.
Sein told you, try to hack thiswebsite.
I lost count.

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It just was always a thing that,oh, the website's down again.
I'd be like, oh man, and thenwe'd have to update something,
because when the site getsattacked, the people that are
hosting the site, they don'twant you to get compromised, so
they just turn the site off.
Or they basically just say, hey, there's a bunch of issues with
the site, we're going to turnit off and you've got to fix

(07:43):
this.
You've got to fix this.
Is you got to fix somethinganyway?
And um, so over the years we hadlike the highest level security
you could get on the site andwe have to basically have a web
person full-time.
It's.
I can't keep up with webs.
I got enough work to do on myown.
I can't be keeping up withwebsite nonsense anyway.
So we've always pretty much hada website person.

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And then finally we just saidhey, you know what?
We're going to get a whole newsite.
We're going to do, upgrade thewhole thing.
We're also going to make it sopeople can send us messages.
Okay, so they can just go onthe site and put a message in
and then send it.
And, um, and it was awesome.
And for the first few months itwas like, oh, we were getting a
few messages here and there,people were using it to send us

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messages.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Right, but to be honest, speaking for myself in
all this, when we do thegiveaways, I always give the
whole spiel that everyone'sfamiliar with of send me an
email, claire at blownforgoodcom, and I kind of forgot that we
had this other avenue for peopleto send us messages.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Yeah, so we started getting messages just on email
and through social media, on Xand Facebook or whatever.
Anyway, somebody I want to sayif Bear's mom is in here, if
anybody sees Bear's mom it wasBear's mom sent us a message.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
She did.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
And then she wrote in the comments of a video or some
other way.
She said, hey, did you get mymessage?
Yes, and we didn't get hermessage.
And we were like, I don't know,I didn't get her message.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So I answered and I said, hey, thanks so much.
No, I did not get your message.
Can you please resend it?
So then she said okay, I didthat.
And then I'm like, okay, nowsomething funny is going on
because I have definitely notreceived the message.
And then there she said I sentit through your website.
And which is what was like oh,wait a minute.

(09:32):
Oh, houston, we have a problem.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, so then we found the messages and it looks
like about like two months intothe new message system.
We had to update the website orthere was a something, and when
we did that it broke the partthat once you send the message,
it then forwards it to us.
So that forwarding part was off.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
So instead, the bucket was just filling and it
wasn't going anywhere which isunfortunate.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
So I told Claire, I said we should just do one hour
just Q&A the whole time, eventhough we've been yapping half
this time, and then we wouldjust answer a lot of these
questions.
And I told Claire, let's gothrough them and make sure that
there's stuff we haven't covereda million times and that
there's sort of like secretsthat Scientology doesn't want

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you to know about.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
So what's the?
What's the first?
Oh look at people.
Oh look, shannon says Mark,these are not the secrets,
claire wondered out.
That is true I said speaking offreewheeling, speaking of free
balling, or whatever it was,anyway, okay, so what's the
first one?

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Sorry, yeah, no, that's okay.
So are you going to pull up thenote?

Speaker 1 (10:50):
The note.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Yeah, don't we have things ready.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
Well, either way, oh my God, now she wants me to do a
note.
You got to send me a note, okay.

Speaker 2 (10:59):
Yeah, well then, fine , I'll just read it, for which
I'm going to need my glasses.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I can pull it up.
I can pull it up.
You just have to show me whereit is.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
I don't have anything , I texted it to you.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Oh my God, folks here it is no, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
It's okay, I got it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Viewer messages.
Viewer messages.
I found it.
I found it.
What I won't say the word, herewe go.
Viewer messages.
Okay, good, okay, rtc previous.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Okay, you want me to read this because now I have to
read it, or do you want to?
Just?
No, yeah, so I'll.
I'll give the backstory first.
So in going through themessages from viewers which
thank you very much to everybodywho sent us a message and we
will be getting back to youSomebody sent us a message and
we won't mention any namesunless you say it's OK for us to
mention who you are.
So all of these are anonymous,other than Bear's mom, who we

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already said thank you to.
A viewer sent us a messagereferencing the fact that last
year in Leah Remini's court caseyear in Leah Remini's court
case Mike Rinder and I bothsubmitted extensive affidavits
and mine specifically coveredwhat's known as Matters of RTC

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Religious Technology Center,David Miscavige's organization.
So Matters of RTC Concern, andit was long, long, long lists of
all the things that ReligiousTechnology Center can
investigate as the internalaffairs section of Scientology

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or the Inspector General Network.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
It's basically like a get out of jail free card for
David Miscavige, because when LRon Hubbard wrote everything up
about Scientology, he made allthese rules for the organization
so that nobody can just come inand do whatever they want.
They got to go through whatthese things are called command
channels and has to go throughthis person.
That basically makes it soevery part of Scientology is

(12:58):
siloed and so and there's only acertain way to get into a
certain part of it and it has tobe through this whole structure

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.
Basically, just come in to anyorganization in all of
Scientology If any one of thesethings are present or they
suspect are present, thesenefarious activities and trying
to do bad things insideScientology and these matters of
RTC concern basically give himpermission to whenever he wants.

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He can go into any organizationand order or take somebody off
of their post or declaresomebody as suppressive or
whatever.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
That pretty much is it right, correct, yes, which is
how David Miscavige is involvedin overseeing all of the fair
game operations.
That's how he had involvementin the wrongful death of Lisa
McPherson at the Fort Harrison.
Anyway, there's a whole longlist of things that we could
cite and give specifics thatDavid Miscavige was directly

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involved in, but the matters ofRTC concern document how that is
possible.
That's the point.
So this viewer sent us thisemail and pointed out to us that
correctly and astutely andthank you so much for bringing
this to our attention thatwithin the last month the

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matters of RTC concern have beencompletely struck from the RTC
website boom, eliminated, gone.
And we thought you know whatthis is worth talking about,
because Scientology has thishistory of revisionism, like,
for example ask anyScientologist hey, are you aware
that the FBI raided Scientologyin LA and in Canada?

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And you know, not the FBI butgovernment agencies, and I'm
willing to bet you money thatany current Scientologist will
be unaware of that.
They won't know about Mary SueHubbard, they won't know about
Shelley Miscavige, they won'tknow about the raids.
It's just and again, that's awell-known example.
But this is fascinating.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
Yeah, the other thing is they took it off all of the
Scientology org boards.
So in Scientology when you areat an organization, l Ron
Hubbard wrote this policy calledthe Organizing Board, and every
Scientology when you are at anorganization, l Ron Hubbard
wrote this policy called theOrganizing Board, and every
Scientology organization has anOrganizing Board and it's
usually seven divisions and ithas divisions and department

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heads and all these things.
And then it has theAdministrative Council, which is
all of the division heads,which is all of the division
heads, and then it has thisthing called the executive
council, which is all of theexecutives that preside over
multiple divisions.
It's them as a committee, andthen it has the executive

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director at the top and a fewother folks, but then off to the
side in a triangle they havereligious technology center.
Basically, everybody else hasto go through all these command
channels, but this triangle canbasically enter into the
organization at any point thatit wants to, and when I went to
go Google one of these things,all the triangles had been
removed.
There's no versions of it outthere that have RTC on it

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anymore, except for on this guynamed Mike Rinder.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
On his podcast page he has an old copy that hadn't
been revised and it shows thecommand chart of Scientology and
you see, at the top it has thistriangle and the triangle
basically symbolizes that's sortof RTC's, one of their imagery,
one of their yeah, and it'sdefined as it's specifically a

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triangle, because you can slideit up and down, being it can go
into any level of anyScientology organization, as
also documented by the mattersof RTC concern that,
conveniently now, though they'vebeen in existence since 1984,

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are now just gone, vanished,boom removed this is an
interesting document too,because it shows every single
thing in scientology on one page.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
So you can see celebrity center there and you
can see the um.
You have the watchdog committeelike basically everybody in this
top square is at the int baseright, and that's rectangle
sorry like watchdog committee,has now also been abolished by
david miscavige yeah, but but mypoint is that you have

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religious technology center uphere at the top in the triangle,
yeah, and then you have cmo int, which is commodore's messenger
organization international, andthen I can't see what that
little box says, but it'sprobably something like the
networks or something like that.
Then you have executivedirector international and then
you have golden era productions.
So this entire box that was allat one.

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Nine, 65 highways, 79California, I think it's
actually seven, five, six orsomething like that was all at
1965.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Highways 79 Gilman, hot Springs, california.
I think it's actually 92756 orsomething like that 92583 babe.
Falling down.
In my old age, my memory mightbe getting a tad Rusty, along
with my eyeballs.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
The worst thing is, I know all the LA addresses too.
Yes, 6331 Hollywood Boulevard.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Hey, I remember my phone number from when I was 10
years old.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I remember the saint hill england phone number 24571
okay, anyway, this triangle cango into any of these points.
Then you have the next.
It's actually I want to.
I'll show this.
This is another good secret.
So the, the internationalheadquarters of all of
scientology, this top rectangleis in in is in gilman hot

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springs, california.
You just look up golden airproductions and it just you can
google maps anything, it'll tellyou.
That's there.
This next box, this is 6331hollywood boulevard, where it
says fcb, the flag commandbureau.
Um, they've many, manydifferent names over the years.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yeah, ilo, ilo.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Whatever, but this whole box of all these
organizations.

Speaker 2 (19:15):
You have word salad in the real world, but in
Scientology there's acronymsalad.
It's a new, it's just.
You know, as you guys know, wetry hard to not go there.
But you know, feel free tocriticize us when we slip.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Clara says y'all's good memories scare me, yeah,
yeah.
Anyway, it should.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Mark has photographic memory.
I have numeric memory, right,Annie.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yes, I would say so.
She can remember bank cardsfrom eight years ago.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Employer identification numbers, all that
kind of stuff yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Okay, so this next box down is that 6331 Hollywood
Boulevard.
That is what's called theHollywood Guarantee Building and
it's an old bank building thatwas bought by Scientology in the
1980s and it was refurbishedand that's where of all these
boxes are.
And then, as you go over to thelower one, you have the
continental liaison offices.

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So these are all like East US,west US, anzo, whatever they
call Denmark, eu, uk, that's allthose Sea Org bases are in that
box.
And then you have CMO Cont.
So in each continent wherethere's one of these continental

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liaison office, there's aCommodores Messenger org for
that continent.
And then you have what's calledFSSO.
That's the flagship serviceorganization.
That's the Freewinds.
So that's the organization onthe Freewinds.
It's kind of like its owncontinent.
Organization on the free windsis kind of like its own

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continent.
And then it has um threeorganizations.
It's crazy, on this one shipthey have three different
organizations and they all havetheir own org boards and they
all have their own accountingsystems.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's actually four when you count ias being on.
Oh my god, that's right four.
So you have.
You have what's called the fssothat's right.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Four, so that you have.
You have what's called the fsso, that's the flagship service
organization.
Then you have um the crew flagcrew.
Yeah, well they, what do theycall it?
Ship crew uh f, yeah, they callit ship crew, because flag has
flag crew fc something or otherflag service.
Whatever it's the crew, it'sthe crew organization, whatever
flagship crew organizationwhatever Flagship crew

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organization Okay.
And then they have the CMO ship.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
So they have a CMO organization, a set of these
young gals running aroundyelling at people.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
The Ms Wongs for the CMO ship.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
And then they have the IASA, which is the IAS
administrations, and the reasonthey have all these in this one
place is because they're ininternational waters.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yes and, by the way, circling back to viewer messages
, somebody asked like hey, whyhaven't they so with all the
real estate holdings andexpansion and ideal org program?
They asked why haven't theydone that with the with it, with
a cruise ship?
Because it's just this tinypodunk boat from the 80s

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compared to you know, like, ifyou anyway, and the answer to
that for me is they have had somany problems with staff on that
ship because they tend to bedisconnected and they can't be
controlled so much.
Yeah, and they've just had somany issues.
That's why they haven't gottena bigger yeah, done more cruise

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ships.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
I think you're 100, right?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think they have shelly, shelly muskavage used to
call it the love boat.
Did you know that?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
yeah, and, and also isn't that where they sent there
used to be a really hot stewardthat would uh kind of show put,
show herself off for Dave, anddidn't she?
Shelley sent her to the cruiseship as sort of a banishment.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, that's where they would banish anybody that
they didn't want, Like that'swhat they did to Valeska Paris.
That's what they did to DonJason.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
That's right.
It basically was like you werebeing sent somewhere to be
controlled, but it was thenicest of places to get sent.
So you're in the Caribbean,you're on a ship, whatever, but
most of those people could neverleave the ship.
They would go to islands orthey would dock somewhere.
They weren't allowed to get offthe ship.

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They were basically secured orrestricted to the ship itself.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (23:30):
Don Jason.
You can look up Don Jason'sstory.
I'm pretty sure Don Jasonclimbed down the rope.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Oh no, he like ziplined.
Yeah, he liked to be sure.
Yeah, no, it was covered in aTampa Bay Times article.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Like some hardcore getaway action right there.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
And these again these are scientology secrets, folks
yeah, um the thing, scientology,would much rather you not, but
the reason I was highlightingthe ship thing is because
they're in international waters.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
The international association of scientologists
takes in all these giant.
These are where you get thesemillion, ten million dollar
donations and five milliondollar, one million and 30, and
so being in there's a benefitfor them being operating out of
the Netherlands or Panama orwhatever flag they're flying
under to, to basically not haveto worry about any problems with

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the dough.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I'm willing to bet money that Scientology has
thoroughly investigated how tomaximize use of offshore
accounts, among other things.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
You don't think?
Listen to CSI FSO over here,anyway.
Okay, what's another thingabout the notes?

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah, okay, let's pull up the notes so that we did
RTC matters, we did the yeah,okay.
Matters of concern you want meto read the next one?
That I have sure?
All right, I'll go ahead andput my glasses on, okay, so
let's see.
Oh, this was just a funny onethat I thought you might enjoy.
Honey, because of you guys,whenever I see r2d2 put his

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probe in a port, I immediatelythink r2d2 out 2d, out, 2d, of
course being the scientology foryou know yeah, sexual relations
without uh proper withoutmarital pre-ordainment r2d2 was
getting his act, getting it,getting it on with uh, another
computer there anyway, dear markand claire, I'm now reading

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your astonishing Blown for Good,a riveting and enjoyable read.
I've also read the accounts oftheir escapes from Scientology
by Mike Rinder, leah Remini,jenna Miscavige Hill, along with
the stories of less well-knownpeople who have been held
against their will atScientology bases and had to
escape.
I have one burning questionScientology bases and had to

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escape.
I have one burning question whyin the have law enforcement
agencies local, state andfederal not raided gold base and
kicked in the doors?
It would seem that they haveample evidence of kidnapping,
false imprisonment, thousands ofviolations of child labor laws
and just possibly much worse.
Is Shelley Miscavige even alive?
I doubt it.
Thank you for making yourstories public.
I believe your book and thoseof other defectors from that

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depraved cult will help bringthis organization down.
There you go.
That's the message.
So yes, law enforcement, thereare many ongoing investigations.
I know it's frustratingly slow.
Yep, it's been what.
15 years ago, you and I wereconfidential informants.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Yeah, for the FBI.
We saw Claire and I have seendrone footage government drone
footage of the headquarters ofScientology.
They were watching them.
They had people all over theplace keeping eyes on them and
it's funny, when we had ourlawsuit against Scientology.
This is what Scientology doesthey use the lawsuits to smoke

(26:55):
out any weaknesses and they havebillions of dollars worth of
attorneys that rearrange and sayyou've got to do this or you
got to do that, you got to dothis, and then they make these
more, these things intoexistence.
And so in our case, we weresaying, hey, there's, there's
people living and working atthis place and they're not
allowed to leave.

(27:16):
Well, that's a huge humantrafficking indicator If you
have someone living and workingin the same location, and so
they.
And also if you're makingthings that are for sale, right.
So if you're producing aproduct and it's for sale and
you live and work all in thesame place, that happens.

(27:37):
That's pretty much.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
And especially if you add in details like they hold
your passports, yes, they readyour mail, you cannot call out,
you know just minor details likethat.
That kind of adds to andcompounds the problem.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So, as one of the things Scientology did, was they
cut off all production ofanything at that property.
So there was a hugemanufacturing facility there at
that property that would makeDVDs and CDs and laser discs and
VHS tapes and cassette tapesand all these different things,
and what they did was theyessentially abolished all of

(28:16):
that and had to move it to LosAngeles, because in Los Angeles
they were setting up theseprinting facilities.
They basically just tookeverything and put it into these
facilities and um, excuse me.
And so they shut down all ofthe things that got produced at
that Gilman hotsprings propertybecause of this thing where

(28:37):
people were living and working.
So it's okay if they havepeople that are managing people
there, because they're notproducing any um in income,
they're not generating um,they're not generating revenue
by selling something.
So essentially what they'redoing now is from what we've
been told is that everybodythere at the property just

(28:59):
cleans film like originalnegatives, they're going through
and cleaning them in thecomputer and they're doing busy
work as long as they need tountil everybody there just dies
out and then that property canjust be nothing.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, which I heard from somebody recently that got
a tour of that property and theyjust said there was barely any
staff visible or present andthat it of course felt extremely
staged are present and that itof course felt extremely staged
and I was like, well, yeah, it'sbeen staged since since we were

(29:34):
there, since, you know, it'sjust long term, that's what they
do.
They, you with scientology,only ever see what they want you
to see, which is why we'vealways been in a pain in their
side.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, well then the other was.
So that was the sort of themanufacturing part of it.
Well, also, what happened atthat property and one of the
things I was made I was heavilyinvolved in the manufacturing,
but I was heavily involved inthis other aspect was that we
shot TV commercials.
We saw, we shot ads forScientology, we shot internal

(30:07):
Scientology fundraising videos,we shot Scientology technical
training films and publicinformation series.
Well, those items will oftenget turned into something that's
either sold to Scientologyindividuals or sold to
Scientology organizations.
So none of that could behappening there, scientology

(30:30):
organizations.
So none of that could behappening there.
And I want to say, up until2005, when we left, we'd
probably spent a hundred milliondollars either building
buildings, setting up equipment,building that giant film studio
, all the film equipment, all ofthe there's the printing.
Well, no, that was the part ofthe manufacturing Right.
What I'm saying in terms ofjust the media and audio and

(30:50):
video production and filmproduction.
There's multiple studios.
There's the L Ron Hubbard MusicStudio, there's the Studio One,
studio Two, ron's Audio VisualStudio.
There's 14 audio recordingbooths all the spanish,
castilian, taiwanese.
They have all these individualstudios.

(31:11):
We should probably do anothertour of the gold base at one
time where we just go throughevery single place and all the
stuff that was there yeah, thatcould be part of the scientology
secrets there we go maybethis should be a new series,
scientology secrets.
We'll just this will be thefirst episode sounds.
We can just do ScientologySecrets every week, but anyway.
So they set up this giantmanufacturing place and then

(31:36):
they set up another place calledScientology Media Productions
and that used this old studiothat used to belong to KCET, and
so now all the things thatmanufacturing and golden era
productions are being done atthis place I think they call it
Alice or I can't remember thename of the building they call
it and then this new place,scientology Media Productions.

(31:57):
Those two buildings replacedthe gold base and all of the
people that were in managementremember when we showed you that
board where they had these guysat the top here, the watchdog
committee.
All of those guys.
They do nothing, they don'thave any purpose.
David Miscavige, his littletriangle, replaced every single

(32:21):
thing in that top box, everysingle thing that was in that
box.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
So if you just grow that triangle to just block out
that rectangular box, that'skind of what happened, right?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Graphically that's what took place.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
And we think one of the reasons this is being done
is because, again, like whenScientology we say, hey, they
live there, they work there,they sell things there poof,
they move all that away.
Okay, now another lawsuit comesalong and says David Miscavige
controls the entire thing andthat's why they have this
matters of our.
Now, that's gone.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
And now the triangles are disappearing.
So each time, hey, labor lawviolations.
Oh, guess what?
Everybody, you're a volunteer.
Sign a new 10 page documentthat says you're a volunteer and
you're totally fine withworking 150 hours a week, or
whatever the maximum number ofhours in a week, for $46 a week.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Yeah, okay.
What's another thing we wantedto talk about?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Okay, let me get my notes back up again here.
Okay, so next on the list,let's see here.
I want to personally thank you,claire and Mark, for teaching
me about what Scientology reallyis and it's dehumanizing
tactics, along with Leah Christy, amy Matt, john Atack and, of

(33:44):
course, mike Rinder.
Thank you very much.
Question really wanting to readyour book.
I have an Amazon gift card, butyour book is $13 134 on there.
Is there a reason the price isso high on there compared to
everywhere else?
So the reason I put this on thelist is just to tell everybody
we do not sell mark's book onamazon anymore except for kindle

(34:07):
.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Oh yes, and audible yes, kindle and audible sorry
but the actual physical book.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
We just sell that on the website because it was just
easier and less hassle and,frankly, cheaper.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Yeah, and in the very beginning, when we first were
selling the book on Amazon, itwas easy peasy.
We fulfilled it, everything wasfine.
And over the years, when Amazonstarted sort of saying, hey,
we're not going to offer this asprime or whatever, unless you
give it to us, and then theycharge you for giving it to them
, they charge you for storing itand then if you don't do

(34:42):
fulfillment by Amazon, you'renot the preferential seller.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
It's just ridiculous that the I mean the terms of
service has has gone through somany evolutions and iterations
that it's kind of scary.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yeah, anyway, so on Amazon, we have the Kindle and
we have the Audible, and thereason you have to use Amazon is
because they're the biggest, soyou got to put it on there,
right.
But you can get it anywhere.
You can get it on Apple, anyplace you want to get the book,
the audio book or the Kindle,you can pretty much get it.
The digital book, you can getit anywhere on any service.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, but also selling through the, through the
BFG website, means that everysingle copy is signed by both
Mark and I.
That's right.
So, and you know, there you go.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's the same price it was when it was on Amazon
unsigned.
So, yeah, exactly, we're tryingto hear folks, but the but.
The other thing is thatScientology they kept trying to
hack our website and sosometimes people wouldn't be
able to get the book because wewere just selling it through the
website.
So the way we have it now, it'sin a store and it's all.

(35:48):
It's not even us really.
The store end is fourth wall,so they take care of everything
and they have much more robustsecurity than we could ever have
.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, exactly, all right.
Next one Hi, claire and Mark.
I listened to your podcast andI joined your YouTube channel,
but I have not yet been able tofigure out how to watch you live
.
I know you two have otherbusinesses, but how do people
know when you're going live andwhere do I go to see you both
live?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
That's a great question.
All you have to do is click thesubscribe button and then
there's a little bell and if youclick the bell then you'll get
notified.
You have to have to make sureyou have it set up so that
YouTube can notify you, and buteither way, if you have it set
up, you'll get.
When we post we usually post aday or two before we're going to

(36:35):
do a video and then when thevideo goes live, you get
notified.
Hey, these guys went live andwe try to like vamp it up for a
few minutes at the beginning.
So you get a few minutes if yousee it and then, if you don't,
you just watch the replay andit's really the same thing,
except for it's not not as muchpossibility that we're going to
read your comment if you'rewatching it four hours after we

(36:55):
did the video.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
True, true, and for the most part, now we have
started to get into a bit of aroutine where every Sunday we
try, you know, work and familyschedule permitting.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, we've been doing the video every Sunday for
a few weeks now and supposedlypeople like it, so we'll keep
doing it.
You guys like it.
There's more people watch,people like it, so we'll keep
doing it.
You guys like it and there'smore people watch.
But if it does help us, it's asilly thing.
But YouTube is a reward basedsystem and if you don't get the
reward of the subscription, theydon't really hook you up and

(37:27):
kind of move you into people'sthings to view.
But if you hit the subscribebutton, it at least shows the
video is there to be watched andto more people.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
So and it also improves our chances of getting
into Scientologist feeds whoneed to know that they have a
way out and that there are manypeople who are willing to help
them do that.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's true, and we do and, to be
honest and this is a hugeproblem with our channel is that
we do have quite a bit ofScientologists that watch and
they ain't subscribing becausethey know Scientologists are
going to figure out how to havetheir YouTube and figure out
that they subscribe to us, sothey don't subscribe, they just
don't.
Everyone we've talked to islike are you crazy?

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, exactly Because , and I think you know what I
think that has to do with isthat that involves an action For
a Scientologist like that theyjust watched something isn't
necessarily like oh, it justhappened to come on.
This is 100% a thing, if theyclick a button, that means they
did something.
It's an overt that theycommitted.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
It's an overt of commission, which is much worse
than an overt of omission yes,like oops, I omitted to um.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
Click off the page when the video started playing
is much worse than I pushed abutton yeah, and subscribed.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
I fat fingered a comment, so I'm just going to
answer it while you figure I'llread it out.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, good, how come the f FBI closed down Nixxiom
and sent Keith to prison for 120years and DM David Miscavige is
still sleeping on his own bedevery night, right?
So Scientology, um got, waswell ahead of Keith.
Had he had he uh formed it as,as a religion, he would have
been fine.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right, sarah's, exactly the that was his one.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I talked about this on on an interview that we did
on the channel.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
We'll put a link to that in the description.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (39:24):
Remind me to do that, somebody, okay, anyway, yes,
thank you for 20 audits.
Ireland hey, we've got somebodyfrom Ireland.
He had a good comment there.
Yeah, from Ireland, who had agood comment there.
Yeah, the one thing that KeithRainieri or however you say his
name messed up is that he didn'tmake it a religion.
So, yes, sucks to suck.
Okay, back to your list there.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Okay, here we go.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
We'll do questions in 10 minutes.
We'll do questions and then thegiveaway.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
Okay, perfect.
First and most importantly, Iwant to extend you my sympathy
for the loss of your dear friendMike Rinder, such a brave soul.
I listen on CastBox.
I can only access the Q&Aepisodes as podcasts.
I've not seen a Spy Files orany of Claire's interviews since
back in October 2024.

(40:12):
Where can I access the spyfiles and Claire's interviews?
Help, there you go.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
I think that's on the podcast.
I have to figure that out.
I don't think I.
I don't think I ever releasedthe spy files as a podcast
because I was going through allthese documents.
Okay, I'll have to look at that, but either way, you can get
the spy files on.
All the spy files are onYouTube and that's where I
essentially read all of theScientology internal documents

(40:41):
that were on me that I was ableto get ahold of after Mike left
and then I also.
There's a bunch of otherdocuments that I've read on
there too, about all these otherinternal documents of
Scientology.
I might go through and do moreof them in the future.
There's just it takes a lot ofwork to go through that because
it's just thousands andthousands of I think it's 40,000

(41:05):
pages of documents in there.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, and translating to even be able to understand
what's being talked about.
It may as well be in a foreignlanguage is.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
It's all in scientologies and it's just,
it's it.
There's so much.
You have to say who the playerson the document are, then you
have to explain a bunch of terms.
Then it's a lot of work to sortof.
But if you like that and yousee the spy files, then comment
and bloopity, bloop, bloopity inthe comments and we'll, maybe

(41:36):
we'll do some more of those.

Speaker 2 (41:38):
Oh, put up this.
Would you put up this commentfrom nasty Nathaniel, by the way
?
I just noticed it and it wasworth.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Okay, is it in the?

Speaker 2 (41:46):
It's in the recent chat.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Did somebody star it?
No Okay.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I have a question, mark.
I read your blown for Blown forGood, fascinating read.
I wanted to know if securityguard Danny Dunnigan was really
as bad as he's been in videos.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Yes, that is a great question, Nathaniel.
If you read, I'm pretty sureDanny's pretty prominent in the
book as well.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
But I don't know I'm going to tell you his story
about.
I don't know that that I evenwrote this in the book about the
, about the um, the night visiongoggles.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Um, I don't remember.
I don't think you did.
I think it was one that didn'tmake it.

Speaker 1 (42:26):
Okay, we lived in a house um on sublet road which
was right next to theinternational headquarters on
the golf course.
It was a very nice house 50years ago and it never was ever
upgraded when Scientology boughtit.
But we lived in this house andwe were with multiple couples at
least two other couples If theyweren't married.

(42:48):
It was just two girls that werein a room together and another
couple.
I remember all different houseswe lived in.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Yeah, the one that you escaped from was with Lyman
Spurlock and Carol Spurlock,mike Sutter and Anka Sutter, and
didn't we have, like Tori orone other person that lived in
the other room for anyway?

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Maybe, at least we had this room with two other
couples.
At least we had this room withtwo other couples.
I, when we moved into the house, it was somebody's house that
lived there for 20 years on thegolf course and then they sold
it and moved on and they justleft all their stuff.
They didn't take anything withthem, like, the kitchen table
was their kitchen table.

(43:31):
The kitchen table that we hadin that house was the kitchen
table from the people that livedthere before.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Anyway, the garage was full of junk and I started
going through the garage one dayjust looking through stuff at
1.30 in the morning when I gothome and I found a pair of night
vision goggles and they wereamazing.
They were military goggles thatwere night vision anyway.
And, um, I can't remember why,but for some reason danny

(44:01):
dunnigan was at our house andthey were doing an inspection
and they confiscated the nightvision goggles and I was like
what was the weirdest thing?
Why would you do that anyway?
Um, he just wanted them.
So he confiscated them becausethey were.
Why would I need those?
And then I found out from othersecurity guards that that was a

(44:25):
thing that Danny did.
He just picked through people'sstuff and when they left, when
somebody blew, he did the samething.
He'd go through their stuff andthey'd cherry pick the good
stuff.
And then the person if theyeven asked for their stuff which
most of the time they wouldn't,but if they did ask for their
stuff to be sent to them, they'dstill have to be in touch with

(44:46):
Scientology.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
And that's probably by the way, a huge part of why
they started inventoryingpeople's belongings which we'll
absolutely have to do a deepdive on our inventory.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yes, 60 pages we will do that.
Yeah, we should do that, weshould absolutely do that.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
You have not seen that's a good Scientology
secrets one.
It is completely and we cantalk about what led up to it,
like the people who escaped,whose gold coins vanished things
like that, so many good onesand plus I have stories about
this from when I was in thecadet organization as a child.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
They did the same thing back then in England.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Apostate Alex says in the outside world that's called
theft, completely yeah, it istheft.
So back to nasty Nathaniel.
Yes, Danny is a huge D-bag inreal life, in videos, in my book
, in his own life he is just agiant piece.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
But let me tell my most recent Danny Dunn again
story.
So I want to say it was inlet's see 2010.
And 10, I was working with TomTobin and Joe Childs from Tampa
Bay Times at the time doing awhole, like they were
essentially doing a wholereenactment with me of when I

(46:05):
escaped.
Like what happened?
Where were you?
We literally went everywhere.
We went to the house on SubletRoad, we went to the Riverside
bus station, we went to thewalmart.
Anyway, we, we go to subletroad, which is what, like a
quarter of a mile down the roadfrom from the property and
connected.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
It's.
It's it's directly adjacent tothe at the property line right
and it's also it's on the entireproperty line of the golf
course, which is also owned bythem.
So Sublet Road, for all intentsand purposes, was completely
surrounded by Scientologyproperty.
The entire road, yes, and theonly road.

(46:44):
The only part that wasn't wasthe highway Right.
The part that it wasn't was theHighway 79.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yes, okay.
So we're in the car with JoeChilds, tom Tobin, pull up on
Sublet Road.
So as we pull, as we're pullinginto the road before we even
get to our house, they said tome, joe specifically turned to
me and he said so how long doyou think it's going to take for
security to show up?
I was like, ah, maybe a minute,maybe two, and they were like

(47:13):
way, and sure enough, like thecar stopped, joe opened the door
.
Before I even opened my door,boom, there's danny dunnigan on
a bike or in the car on amotorcycle

Speaker 1 (47:27):
yep yeah, see, they don't.
This is private property.
We're gonna call the police, soyeah public road, even right,
which is not private property no, completely they even put a
stanchion in the middle of theroad and said private property.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
When it was not private property, exactly they
would do what they do wild stuffout there they do yeah so, okay
, I think we should do somequestions and then we should do
the giveaway so, yeah, lots moreviewer emails to go through, so
maybe we'll do another episodeof this KB.
Hi Claire, mark and everybody.
Oh, we already did this onehoney.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Oh yep.
I did, we did all these.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yep oh no.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Hello from the London suburbs, Awesome hey we've got
friends in Cobham and well andwell and all over the place.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Yeah, how about that Family?
Yeah, mary Kay London, hi fromAlbuquerque.
Hello.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
Do we do these?
Did we do the people?
No one's in, no one's instarring anything.
Folks, I'm just going to showthem again.
We showed them already.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
Sorry From Texas, y'all Lupita, Hello Lupita.
I was trying to get oh my gosh,the star people are going out
of control.
It's 56 questions.
It's okay, don't take it easy,holy moly.
Nasty Nathaniel.
That was a fascinating story.
Thank you for sharing that.
I don't know if you know this,but the last time I went to Int
Base, Sublet Road had been tornup and the house demolished.

(48:51):
Yeah, that totally makes sense.
If they can't get the roadclosed, they'll just destroy it.
You know, what that's a way todo it.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
What I was told they did was they essentially bought
every single property on SubletRoad.
That was the first step, andsome of these properties they
bought for over a milliondollars.

Speaker 2 (49:08):
They weren't worth a million dollars but because
everybody along Sublet Road knewthat no matter what they're
gonna buy your house, it doesn'tmatter and they had already
done that for all the the housesthat were up on the hillside,
because those ones looked intoand they were over and looked
down into where david miscavigebuilt his religious technology

(49:30):
center, mansion yeah, anyway.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
So so they basically bought every single house that
was anywhere near the propertyand then they demolished them
all and then, because they wereall demolished, there was no
reason to have a street there,so then they closed the road and
then that's the end of it.
Now, the whole part, the wholeproblem, was that there were

(49:56):
houses there that people neededto get in and out of and there
needed to be a road.
So they were like, let's justbuy all of those houses and then
destroy them, and then there'llbe no need for there to be a
road there.
Yep, um, so yeah, there's,that's some.
That's.
Hey, if you're listening tothis or you're watching this and
you're a Scientologist, that'swhere the money's going To

(50:18):
nonsense.
Yep, okay, oh, we'll definitelydo the gold coins.
That will be the setup for thelist that we got in the episode
the gold coins Perfect.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
Yep, yeah, there's gold.
We got it.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
We'll add it to our notes there's treasure, there's
theft, there's adventure.
Har.
There's treasure, there's theft, there's adventure.
Harrowing tales of escape.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
All right, sherry.
Question Mark Do you know whatbecame of the girl who was
standing in the sink doingdishes with you?
I can still picture that imagefrom your book.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yes, that girl's name is Heather Ashworth and I think
she did a hate video on me.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
What yeah, oh?

Speaker 1 (50:56):
my goodness she became.
She was.
She worked in Los Angeles.
Her name was Heather Ashworth.
She worked at the base.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
And she, she, she got married to.
She became Heather Willoughby.
No, I don't remember who shegot married to.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Okay, I don't remember who she got married to,
but either way, um, she becamelike an executive assistant in
the in the exec in the executivedivision which I was in for a
long time, and then I think sheended up in manufacturing.
When Lisa got busted off post,I think she just went to
manufacture.
She might've even gone tomanufacturing before that, but
she, as far as I know, she stillis at the international

(51:34):
headquarters.

Speaker 2 (51:35):
Yeah, I mean she was born into the C organization,
but her father is out, right,her brother is out.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
I think it's just her and the mom that are still
there.
Yeah, I can't remember that's alot of Scientologists that we
knew when we were kids and whenwe worked.
A lot of either the parents orthe kids have left and the kids
are no longer in Scientologyanymore, but they just can't
talk to their.
A lot of my good friends havenot ever been able to speak to
their parents again because theyleft and that's it they work at

(52:03):
and their parents still workand live at the international
headquarters.
My one of my best friends inthe world, his mom, is the
commanding officer of CMO shipand she has been for decades.
So, um, yeah, crazy stuff, okay, yep all right, cool cat.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Does david miscavige have a secret escape plan when
the poop finally hits the fan?
I'm sure he does at this point.
I mean he has 100.
Yeah, he has like likesecretive compounds in multiple
locations all over the world.
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
Totally.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
Tim Greenglass I heard in Sea Org if you don't
mind the laundry, your clothesget pinched Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yes, that is what.
Well, we did tell a story onhere of the girl who stole a
rank like a.
Cpo patch on somebody's jacket,which in hindsight that is
pretty stupid because they know.
They know it's probably a CPOthat stole it, because there's
no mid shipment stealing CPObadges.

(53:10):
It's sort of like hey you justnarrowed it down to 80 people.
Sweetness, true, true, that istrue.
Oh my goodness, it was sort oflike, hey you just narrowed it
down to 80 people.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Sweetness, true, true , that is true.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
Marco question Did the security on Int Base carry
firearms, handguns and or longguns?

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I know the security the main booth did have shotguns
and rifles and handguns.
They did have, uh, shotguns andrifles and handguns.
They did have that and I wantto say for a long time, mo, at
least danny and kevin and kennyand uva, those they all had
carry permits and concealedcarry permits and they had to

(53:50):
have a guard badge or they hadto get something, a guard card
card.
They had to get a guard card.
So, yeah, I wouldn't get up tononsense if there's a chance
that you could be in the wrongand they could have some kind of
stand-by-ground nonsense wherethey can.
Just Swiss cheese you, but nostaff were allowed to have

(54:13):
weapons security confiscatedatedall of the ones that any of the
staff had at a certain pointthere is a story about jesse
prince who had a gun and theycame to get it from him and he
was like oh, I'm gonna shoot youif you take this.
Oh, this is a good one.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Free thinker okay, question why would they inspect
your home?
More of the question is whywouldn't they?
Every Sunday, we had what wascalled CSP, which was Clean.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Ship Program.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
Yeah, clean Ship Program.
Not that we were on a ship, sowhy, might you ask, would that
be relevant?
But either way, we wereallegedly given in the schedule
two hours to do our laundry andclean our rooms and then after
that, just as in severance, theywould do white glove
inspections, where the ethicsofficer would come with a white

(55:05):
glove and inspect your room.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
I don't know why I never thought that that was for
other than for nefariouspurposes, like they basically
just had free reign to gothrough all your shit once a
week when you weren't there.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Right, completely.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Duh, that's exactly what that's.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
That's why that's why when you escaped and I packed a
bag that first night, I had tohide it under the bed so that
nobody would.
Nobody would see it when theycame to inspect.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
They're like Claire's got a go bag.
David Muscovige is like don'twe all?
What are you talking about, gobag?
That's what that's called.
It's called a go bag.
Yeah right, you got to getgoing.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yes, una, this might be a strange question, but was
there offshore training, orwhatever it might be called, in
Australia in the early 2000s?
Hmm, not that I'm aware of.
I hadn't heard of that.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
I don't know.
I mean in the early 2000s.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, I never heard of the free wins going to
Australia when we were there.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Maybe it did Maybe some free wins buffs.
To be fair, we weren't reallykeeping track of the free wins
when we were at the MAs and, aswe've discussed, information is
so rigidly siloed betweendifferent organizations salty
beach girls said oh, I missed it.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
You missed it.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Said a moment from our yeah, I just never thought
that's a great because you wouldfind they'd find stuff and
you'd be like what, when arethey finding this stuff?
And be like, oh duh, whenthey're going through your shit
from inspections they're goingthrough, they're finding stuff.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yeah, you don't it's it is mind numbing, though how,
how lack, how improper it wascompared to real world, and you
know, it's just like, yeah, Iwas getting white glove
inspections since I was sixyears old.
I never thought to question itlike okay, catherine olson at sp
, hey, catherine at sp spanglish, there's a shotgun in the

(56:57):
security office in the hgb yeah,there you go.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, yeah, same thing.
I like this one, uh at hands.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Christian schwartz, you see all this cryptic stuff
in chat.
It is weird af, just imo yeah,witness.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I think there's a lot of people in there that are
using the lingo.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
Yes, for sure.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
It is what it is.
It's not that big of a deal.
Yeah, okay, apostate Alex, areyou sure about that thing going
to the US?
Do you know if the EU hasissued a travel warning?
He said he was going to come tothe US and some of you know the
EU has issued a travel warning.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Oh, there you go.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Okay, I think we should do the giveaway now.

Speaker 2 (57:35):
Okay, let's do it.
So, let's do.
Let's just remind everybody andgive them a few minutes to make
their entries.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
There, it is right there, add secrets and if you
enter that secrets in the chat,you will be entered to give the
giveaway, and now we're going toput this up on the screen here.
That's the.
That's another one we don'twant that it is there we go
secrets.
Okay, how many?
Uh, we've got 55 people thatare have already entered.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
So, um, I'll give it a few seconds yeah, let's do one
more comment while while peopleget in there okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
People are jamming those secrets in there right,
there you go.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
I know exactly that's , that's.
Uh, you know you're going topull up another comment.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Oh, sorry, I was going through them here we go.
Here we go.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
Lindsay Campbell question.
The UK government is crackingdown on migrant workers without
the proper working status.
Would international Sea Orgmembers have a UK workers status
?
Uh, we've heard of so muchnonsense on this, particularly
through the work the AftermathFoundation does of people.
Just I mean many, many cases.

(58:42):
So we have been working ondeveloping resources to help
those who need it who've beenput into really bad situations.
Totally, they get people, yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
They get people to.
They have a good system.
They have a.
They know they have so manydifferent organizations in so
many different countries.
They know which countries theycan get somebody from and to
what other country they need toget them to, so then they can
get them to the country wherethey want them.
So they basically move peoplearound like little pawns and

(59:16):
when, if the person turns onthem and says, oh, I don't want
to work for you, then they'rebasically on their own and
they're in most cases they'rescrewed because they don't have
any form of income or any way tomake money, because they're not
supposed to be working.
They're on like a K-1 visa orsome kind of religious visa, or
they're not really, but they'rekind of.

(59:37):
You know they're right on theedge of being illegal.
There's all these ways they doit and I think it's also by
design so that if you arereliant upon them to keep your
status legit, or at least a goodplace to hide where your status
is not legit, and if you justget out in the outside world,
you're going to go right back towherever you came from, which

(01:00:01):
in some cases may or not be thatgreat compared to the Sea Org.
That's another reason why theSea Org members that they have.
They have a lot of foreignnationals in the Sea Org that
may be from a place where threehots and a cot is a better
existence than wherever they'refrom.
So if they have to clean hotelrooms for $45 a week, okay, I

(01:00:24):
got clothes, I got a place tosleep, I get food and they give
me a little bit of money forcoffee and cigarettes.
So unfortunately that is thecase, and so some people.
It's not that bad compared toother things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Anyway, until it is that bad, and then they make a
break for it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Okay, we're going to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Okay, sounds good.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Draw Ooh wow, Look at that 80 people.
We double.

Speaker 2 (01:00:49):
There you go, see, I told you, if I win again, I'm
getting something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Did you enter?
If I win again, I'm gettingsomething this time Did you
enter.
No, it's just taking anycomment.
Oh, Robert was down in there.
Jc Comanche.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Nice Congratulations, JC Comanche.

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
I've done a lot of work on a lot of mountains that
have tribal affiliations, so Ican feel it Comanche over here.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
So please send me an email claireatblownforgoodcom
with a link to what you'd like,and we will get it taken care of
.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Awesome we did it folks, we did it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
Yes, we did.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
When we first I just have to say this for myself when
we first started doing thesevideos, I would do a majority of
the talking.
I'd say like 95% to 5%.
I'm trying to get it to be likea 50-50 situation here.
So just give me.
We went from 95-5 to maybe60-40.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
Yeah, something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Going towards 50-50.
Eventually it's going to be 95on her side.
I'm just going to sit here andrun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
That's never going to happen.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I'm just going to be like here, I'll do Okay, and
then Claire's going to have todo all the talking.
Cause, if you cut to me he'llbe sleeping, I'll be.

Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I'll have a prod rod.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Anyway, we'll do.
We're going to do that.
Scientology secrets that'sgoing to be the new series, just
Scientology secrets.
That's going to be the newseries, just Scientology secrets
.
And we're going to haveeverything that we're going to
tell you in one of these videos.
We will consider something thatScientology doesn't want you to
know, and they're trying tokeep it a secret.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Yeah, and which, on that note, and circling back to
the theme for today, we greatlyappreciate all of our viewers
and your input.
So if there are Scientologysecrets you would like us to
talk about, you can either emailus or comment on this video,
whatever you'd like, and we willpull together whatever we need
to to be able to talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Yeah, and another thing I do, which I'm starting,
is when we do that end at theend.
I just go in here cause I gotnothing to do until the video
ends and I just star randomcomments.
So if the, if you do commentand I didn't mention it there's
a chance in that little end dadsection, when we run the, you
know, go to the merch store andI'm all clean shaven.

(01:03:10):
It's like a little bit of ajarring thing now.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
I know it goes right from.
I have to redo that to goesfrom beard for good to uh, no,
beard for good yeah, we'll haveto do like um a silhouette,
updated merch or something withyour beard and you know beard
for good.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I like beard for good .
We should do beard for good,merch yeah, I do too, lol.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Mark could never stay quiet 90% of the time unless
he's asleep.
Exactly, exactly.
Great job, clara and Catherine.
Yes, thank you to our amazingmods.
We love you guys.
Glenda Stevenson See you allnext week?
Yes, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
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