July 1, 2025 • 66 mins
Marc and Claire Headley host a Friday evening Q&A session to answer viewer questions about Scientology while sharing insider experiences from their years in the Sea Organization.
• Clearing up misconceptions about the state of "Clear" in Scientology and its marketing as a solution to life's problems
• Revealing how Sea Org members were prevented from interacting with non-Scientologists in Clearwater
• Explaining that Scientology has never "cleared" even a single city block despite decades of operation
• Discussing L. Ron Hubbard's Mission Earth books and their inappropriate, explicit content
• Analyzing how David Miscavige contradicts Hubbard's instructions while maintaining control
• Estimating current Scientology membership at approximately 10,000 active members worldwide
• Sharing respect for former members who speak out publicly about abuses
• Breaking down why the "superhuman abilities" promised by OT levels fail to materialize
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Secrets.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, hey, hey, good to see everyone here this fine
Friday evening.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We decided we were out last weekend and we're going
to be again out this weekend,so we figured we'd do just a
live Q&A on a Friday, just so wecould, you know, keep doing
stuff and stay in touch with youguys.
And, as always, we like to knowwhere you're watching from in
(00:52):
the comments.
And if you let us know in thecomments where you're watching
from, you will automatically beentered into a giveaway at the
end of the video.
And we're going to do somethinga little different.
We're going to show you thething that we're giving away
today.
It's a desk mat.
I'm going to show you guys thisit's a Zeno in the Body things
(01:15):
desk mat.
It is 15 inches by 31 inches.
It's actually I think it's alittle bit, even a little bit
bigger.
It's 15 and a half by 31 and ahalf lest you have to be peering
to see the aliens.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You will not have to rest assured.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And um, it's.
It's a xenu and the bodythetans, the, the band uh, xenu
and the body thetans.
It's their official merchandise.
And oh, actually we can show ithere.
Look see, this is how big it is.
I'll put up, uh, go see there,it is right there.
That's how big it is, rightthere on the table, xenu in the
body.
It covers your whole desk.
It's basically like a, it'slike a mouse pad, but it's for
(01:52):
your entire desk.
I love desk mats.
I use them all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Claire's got a desk mat, she's got one, I've got one
, we've got one right here andsomebody is going to get one at
the end of this stream.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, maybe two somebodies We'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh, two somebodies.
Okay, good and yeah.
So we want to pull up thecomments and we'll.
We'll see where people arecoming in from.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, let's do that.
Becky, big brother fan.
Hey, looking forward to this.
Good to see you, becky.
Lori Pachica, ottawa, in thehouse.
Hi all, Awesome.
K Peel, watching from TempeArizona, drinking out of my new
Zinu is my homeboy mug.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Nice, also available in the merch store.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Should we say Zinu is a proud sponsor of the shows
here at the.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He's not.
He's not.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, fair enough.
I don't know.
You know I was feeling, uh,whatever you call it emilyn
smith.
Hi from south carolina.
That wasn't the word I waslooking for, but that's okay.
Poodle bone hello from new yorkcity.
Awesome, kb from waco, texas.
Good to see everyone.
Uh, betsy, sue, greetings fromcameron, north Carolina.
(03:05):
Nice, dave Rauscher, just cause.
Hello from Tioga County,pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Cool.
Jane from South Carolina.
Yeah, we're throwing off ourvery fastidious routine of
Sundays, but you know, hey, whatcan we say?
We're keeping it going.
Ruth from Toronto is here.
Thank you for joining us.
Susie SP or S Poon, s Poon,susie Spoon.
(03:36):
Hi from Hunter Valley,australia.
Awesome, that's sweet, anita.
Hello, beautiful people fromthe Netherlands.
It's funny, I was literallyjust thinking oh, I wonder if we
messed up the Netherlands.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, they're here.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
John watching from Niagara Falls.
Awesome, jack Shaw 809.
Hello from Henderson Nevada.
Wow, it's 102 here, oof.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
No, thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Or as our youngest son likes tosay I'm good, I'm good, I'm
good.
Harvey denton, hello frombirmingham, everyone awesome.
Allison piano, hi from newjersey.
Julie, hey from wisconsin,transfer madness.
Sedona, ari, awesome.
(04:22):
Denny Sue, detroit, in theHouse, nice.
Rhett Stack, howdy, howdy fromSactown, california, there you
go.
Melanie Johnson, happy Fridayfrom a very rainy West Virginia.
Yeah, luckily we have beautifulweather here.
Lupita, hi y'all from Texas,nice, oh, we did that one.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We did that one there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I think we caught up and, of course, thank you to our
wonderful mod, catherine, forbeing here.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, oh, one more, a few more.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Danny Clark, hi Mark and Claire, and to everyone from
Dublin Ireland, nice.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And then this one.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, hi from Sweden.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, good, last one.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Therese Arvin, he says that all the time.
By the way, folks, indianapolis, indiana, slowing down, awesome
, right Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay.
So normally when we do theseScientology secrets episodes we
tell you guys a bunch of secretsabout Scientology.
Today we're just going to askfor questions.
If you guys have questionsabout things, put them in the
comments.
It helps if you put questionbefore it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I think sometimes it does Just so it helps us find it
.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But if you guys have got questions, go ahead and put
them in the comments and ifthey're good ones they'll get
starred and then we'll read them.
They'll get noted for me topull them up.
But we did have.
Where is this one?
We did have a good one.
I thought that was right beforethe stream they put in.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That was a great question.
Auditing Scientology KC.
Would the SP know of his pastlife if he hasn't reached OT8?
Does being declared cancel OT8if you've reached it?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So the first answer- Well, let's break this down a
little bit.
Because not everybody knowseverything.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, true, yeah, we should back it up.
Just a second.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
SP means suppressive person, and if you're in
Scientology and you talk badabout Scientology or you do
anything that Scientologydoesn't like which really could,
at the end of the day, could beanything then you get declared
a suppressive person and you'renot allowed to be in Scientology
anymore.
That's it.
You're kicked out.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's similar to.
It's similar to beingexcommunicated or shunned, but
when you're declared you aredisconnected from and literally
the only way you would ever beable to speak to your family
members again or anyone elsethat you cared about that has
disconnected from you, like mymother or Mark's mom or, you
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know, our siblings the only wayyou would ever be able to speak
to them again is to do whatScientology calls the A to E
steps and essentially go backinto Scientology calls the A to
E steps and essentially go backinto Scientology.
That's the only way.
So, sidebar, when Scientologysays they accept people of all
religions, this is one of themost blatant examples of how
(07:14):
that is a complete and utter lie.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, they don't, they definitely, they certainly
don't.
And this point okay.
So they said would the SP knowof his past life if he hasn't
reached OT8?
Right, ot8, really, and this iskind of funny because not any
of these.
Operating OT means operatingThetan, level number eight, and
(07:38):
that's the highest level ofcounseling you can get in
Scientology and it's called andactually I was thinking about
this the other day it's calledtruth revealed.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It is.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
There's no truth revealed.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Unless you realize you should.
Gtfo Scientology.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It should be called bullshit revealed.
That's what it should be called, but there's no, there's, no,
there's no like achievement thatgets unlocked.
That, then, will allow you toremember what happened in a
previous life.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Right, and even backing up there, just you know,
in case we have new peopletuning in.
So in Scientology, they believethat you live lifetime after
lifetime after lifetime,lifetime after lifetime.
Um, so, when you die, you, yourthetan, aka that's
(08:32):
scientology's word for soul goesand just gets a new body at the
local hospital.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right, yeah, theoretically that's how it
works theoretically.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Uh, if that's your belief system, which it's not
mine, but that's okay.
Uh, obviously I wouldn't be,here blown for good.
Would the SP know of his pastlife if he hasn't reached OTA?
So the answer to that istechnically yes, because even
way below, before you get to theadvanced levels you learn about
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and you go in your counselingyou start addressing what's
called whole track, meaning likeyou talk about things that
happened in earlier lifetimesthat might be the cause of you
know the problems that you'refacing currently.
So, in other words, ota is not arequirement for the person to
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know that they've lived prior,or that they've alleged to
believe that they've lived prior, or that they allege to believe
that they've lived priorlifetimes.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, but the key point here is that David
Miscavige canceled that whereyou have things that you did in
your last life that you couldthen take credit for in this
life.
So there was a long time where,if someone had achieved the
state of clear which is sort oflike the very first major
milestone on Scientology'sbridge to total freedom, yes,
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you could say in the olden days,from like the 50s to like the
1980s or early 90s, you couldsay, oh, I went clear last
lifetime and everybody was allup for that.
But in the 90s David Miscavigecanceled that and said it
doesn't matter what you did lastlifetime, that was nonsense.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You have to do it this lifetime.
He literally went around tohundreds of people and whoever
said that they had achieved,quote unquote, last lifetime
clear which, by the way, issomething Hubbard had talked
about in some of his writingsthat, oh, they're going to be
coming back around becausethey're dying and they're
picking up new bodies, and sowe'll be seeing last lifetime
clears Though you know it'sfunny.
(10:28):
You just made me realizethere's nothing similar to that
for OT levels.
There's not any like oh, I waslast lifetime OT3.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, no, that's why I'm saying it's not even a thing
.
So that's why I'm saying, eventhough technically maybe you
could remember it, they wouldn'taccept it, because you, because
anybody could say that, and saythat I remembered that and it
would be, it would be nonsenseand if it wasn't nonsense, it'd
still be nonsense.
Somebody messaged me the otherday saying you know, how can you
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talk about a lot of this stuff?
Cause in Scientology people whoknow my story I didn't do any
training or counseling inScientology.
I was working there, I wasmaking DVDs and tapes and all
that.
And it's sort of like sayinglike, like, if somebody left the
Nixxiom cult, and saying, well,how far did you get, how could
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you talk about Nixxiom if youweren't?
Well, I don't have a PhD inbullshit, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I have a PhD in bullshit.
He does have a PhD in bullshit,so it's sort of like I actually
, when I was getting ready totestify as an expert witness in
the Danny Masterson trial, Iliterally did the calculations
of, from, you know, age four uponwards, but especially from
when I joined the seaorganization when I was 16 years
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old.
That's that.
That's the hours that I countedI was in the sea organization,
counted up the number of hours Ispent studying those materials,
and it was more than 10 000hours yeah, which counts as a
phd if you look at how manyhours it so that's called a PhD
in bullshit.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, it's the expert level if you've done something
for 10,000 hours.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Doesn't matter how messed up.
Whatever it was that you weremade to do.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, the other thing is that where I worked in
Scientology, we produced thesethings called the technical
training films, and in order toproduce those films, we actually
did have to study and know whatwe were filming and have an
understanding of it so that itcould be the correct
representation of thatScientology technology.
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So, just as a I don't even knowwhat you call it as a secondary
contact, we were exposed to alot of the theories and the
technology, as they call it inScientology.
But anyway, yes, a lot ofnonsense in Scientology.
Okay, do we have another goodquestion?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
there.
Oh yeah, we have a bunch ofgood questions.
Oh yeah, okay, here we go.
You want me to say it.
Sorry, I'm multitasking.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to read this one while you're looking
for it.
Debbie Baker says Mark, nodisrespect to Claire.
When you are talking and Claireinterrupts you while you are
talking, the look on your faceis priceless.
The second time you look likeyour head is going to explode.
Yeah, no, a lot of times it'sfunny when Claire and I get to
talking.
If we're telling a story orwe're trying.
(13:28):
If somebody asks a question,we're both trying to answer it.
We will both when.
We used to do this a lot whenwe were in different rooms,
because there's a little bit ofa delay and so we would answer a
question and then we would bothbe trying to answer it,
thinking the other person isgoing to stop talking.
But neither one of us everstops talking.
So we just keep talking over itUntil finally I'd just be like
(13:50):
I guess I'm going to have tostop talking because she's just
not going to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, hold on a minute.
I have something to add to that.
I used to just let you talk.
And then I realized if I don'tever cut them off, I'm literally
never going to get a word inedgewise.
So you're going to have to getused to this.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, okay, here's another.
Here's another good one here.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay, jessica question why does Scientology
want to own all of Clearwater?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't think that they, I don't think they want to
own all of Clearwater.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh, I do.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, no, they do want to own that whole downtown area
where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, that way they could say they have a cleared
city.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Now Scientology has this thing where the ultimate
goal of Scientology is to clearthe planet, which means to get
every single person in the worldand all of Earth up to that
point that we were talking aboutthe state of clear, which is
like the first major milestoneon the Scientology bridge to
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total freedom, or what they callthe grade chart.
And if you get everybody tothat first level of clear, then
according to Scientology, thenthe world will be saved and then
people can then progress allthe way up the other levels
where you get superpowers andyou can be cause over matter,
energy, space and time.
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Scientology has been aroundsince the 1950s.
They have never cleared asingle zip code, much less the
planet or a block.
They've not even ever cleared ablock, yeah, a city block
they've never cleared.
So if Scientologists justpracticed math they could figure
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that out.
Like how many people like anyScientology organization out
there, let's say, they're makingthey get one person to clear
every week, which no Scientologyorganization, um, does every
single week?
They're not getting somebodycleared.
It may be in Florida at thatbig giant complex, at that place
(15:56):
Maybe they make a clear everyweek, but they're not even
supposed to be doing the lowerparts of Scientology.
They're supposed to be doing theupper levels of Scientology.
But even if every organizationin the world cleared one person
a week, it'd take them like10,000 years to clear a zip code
(16:18):
.
So they're never going to clearplanet Earth.
It's an impossible task thatthey will never, ever achieve,
ever.
It's.
It's an impossible task thatthey will never, ever achieve,
ever.
It's not going to happen, um,and they've only been getting
slower at doing it becausethere's more people.
So if they say in 1950, theywould have had to do a thousand
clears a week in order to do it,and that would take them
(16:40):
whatever, you just divide thepopulation by a thousand per
week and it's still going totake them thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So it's ridiculous and they're never going to do it
.
But the other answer to thequestion on why they're trying
to buy all of Clearwater or allof the downtown area is that
particularly David Miscavige isexceptionally paranoid 100%.
They would like to havecomplete control, their zone in
which they can keep a bubblearound all those staff, so
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nobody from the outside worldcan interact, nobody can see
them or talk to them or any ofthat, and that's another piece
of it from a strategyperspective.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, when we were there and when we were in
Scientology and in the Sea Org,our jobs took us to Florida and
we worked in the Clearwater area.
It's called the Flag Land Base.
Is what that in the Sea Org?
That's what that is referred toFLB or the Flag Land Base or
just Flag.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And we weren't allowed to shop at the stores in
Clearwater that weren'tScientology owned.
We weren't allowed to kind atthe stores in Clearwater that
weren't Scientology owned.
We weren't allowed to kind ofinteract with the people.
You had to.
There was a period where youweren't even allowed to walk
from building to building.
You had to go on a shuttle formany, many years.
If you wanted to go from one oftheir properties to another
properties.
You had to get in a van and geta ride to one of those other
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properties Because there wereSPs just out in the wild Right
talking about Xenu and bodythetans, oh my.
And so they wouldn't even allowit.
So ideally, david Miscavigewants to give the appearance to
Scientologists that they'reexpanding, and the way they
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expand in Scientology is topurchase more real estate and
the more real estate they have,that proves, quote unquote, that
they're expanding and they'regetting bigger.
Really, their bank account'sexpanding from the few people
that they do have.
They're just figuring out moreand better ways to get money out
of those people and they'rejust buying more buildings.
They're not getting moremembers.
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Scientology's members have beenshrinking since the 90s and I
would say I mean for a while wewere saying it could be 10,000,
it could be 15,000, could be20,000.
I think it's more closer to the10, the people that are in
Scientology, that are gettingcounseling or they're going into
an organization andparticipating in training, doing
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Scientology courses or doingScientology counseling.
I would be surprised if it wasmore than 10,000 people.
At this point, based oneverything that's happening,
just even based on the eventsthat they hold, they can't even
fill Ruth Eckert Hall.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, and honestly, even if it is 10,000, there's no
way those 10,000 people areactively doing Scientology
courses and training.
Just no way.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Here's another good one that helps people when it
says what exactly does clearmean?
It just means in Scientologythey have this thing called the
reactive mind and in Dianeticsyou learn that the reactive mind
is recording these moments ofpain and unconsciousness and
they may have words or commandsattached to them, called engrams
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.
And when you do Dianetics,auditing and early Scientology
procedures you erase and you getrid of those engrams.
And when you first start inScientology they tell you the
engrams are what's messing youup.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Right.
So it's Dianetics, the modernscience of mental health, which,
as we've talked about before,is considered the book one of
Scientology and Dianetics.
But yes, in that book Hubbarddescribes the theory that you
have an analytical mind and areactive mind, and the reactive
mind is the cause of allsomatics, pain, you know,
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misemotion, all of that kind ofstuff.
So if you address the engramsand then realize you're creating
your own reactive mind poof,it's all gone, and now you're
just a uh hom mind poof, it'sall gone, and now you're just a
homo novus, I think it's calledYou're no longer homo sapiens.
Yeah, homo sapien, you're a homonovus.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Here's another good follow-up to that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Love it.
Do you think that not having areactive mind just means going
blank?
No reaction emotionally.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Good question I don't think that it means it's, it's
literally.
This is another.
We get into this thing wherewe're asking questions about
bullshit.
So, theoretically, if you getrid of the things that are
causing negative emotions andnegative responses, then you'll
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be less negative.
But really this is all.
This whole end Dianetics thingis just starter bullshit for the
bullshit that's going to come.
Okay, so they go from it's ingrams and grams and grams and
grams.
As soon as you get clear, thenyou enter this place called the
non-interference zone and youhave to get on your OT levels
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lickety split, because you nowyou're like a blank slate and
anything that happens in yoursponge.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, that could suck it all.
All suck up all the nonsense.
But though that being said, Iremember.
So I was 12 in 1988 when um ot8was released.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Just gave away your age.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Like, just like that whatever I'm not, I am who I am
there you go, except me as I amI was 12 and I remember like
knowing people who had attainedot8 and then when I saw them
crying or upset, I was like what?
I thought they were OT.
What's what's up with that?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, we had people at the international.
We worked at a place called theinternational headquarters in
Gilman hot Springs, california,one, nine, six, two, five.
Highway 79, gilman hot Springs,california, nine, two, five,
eight, three.
If you want to mail them apostcard or something, yeah,
anyway, when we worked there itwas like what a handful of
people maybe 10 or more thatwere very high OT levels, yep
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People who were not only at thetop of the OT levels but they
had also worked for L RonHubbard Yep, and some of these
people were just, you know,couldn't pour piss out of a wet
paper bag.
I mean, they were not moversand shakers, if you know what I
mean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
To be fair, I don't think the C organization brought
out the best in anybody, justThane.
But I understand.
It definitely didn't bring outthe OT levels in these folks
that they'd done so you know,I'd like to see some people do
what they did on two hours ofsleep and you know she's
(23:25):
sticking up for the flat ballbearings over here, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Anyway, regardless of that, it's the same exact thing
.
You were saying that you'd seeone of these people that were
clear or in their ot levels andthey're having a little tantrum
and you're like, if you got ridof all your nonsense, why are
you throwing a temper?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
tantrum correct I mean, it was definitely like and
then add on top of that thetraining routines, the training
you're supposed to be able todeal with any communication
situation, no matter how tough.
And so that, to me, is wherethe non-emotion, non-reaction
element that you see inScientologist comes in.
It's not actually communication, it's this machinery and
(24:07):
programming that Scientologistsdo hundreds and hundreds of
hours in.
Really, yeah, and it doesn'thelp that Like I don't, nothing
anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, but but what I was leading to a little earlier
is that first they say it's allabout the engrams.
As soon as you get onto the OTlevels, the operating Thetan
levels, you find out the engrams.
Oh, those were, those were,those were.
No problem, we got rid of thoseeasy peasy.
The next thing we got to getrid of is tens of thousands, if
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not millions, of body thetansthat are attached to every
person.
And then you go like, well, Ithought it was the engrams, well
, no, it turns out that the bodythetans themselves have like
tendencies or negative things,and they are now getting you to
do negative stuff because thealiens I mean to be fair, they
(25:05):
did get blown up in volcanoes byLord Zeno, according to Hubbard
, so they're already not in agood mood, just to start with.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, and let's not forget, so you've achieved the
state of clear.
If your life is not all daisiesand wonderful now, well that's
because you're in thenon-interference zone and we got
to quick, quick, quick, get youonto the upper levels.
So essentially, really, whatthe non-interference zone is.
It's like the upsell aisle inthe grocery store, like quick,
(25:34):
quick, get more stuff, get more,get more, pay more, pay more,
keep going, keep going.
And if you're at allunsatisfied it's just because
you haven't done the next level.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, it's, and that's another great thing.
I've I've been meaning to saythis on a stream and I just I
never, I never remember whenwe're actually doing this dream.
But one of the ways I think isa good way to learn in life is
when you have a failure or youmake a mistake, then you can
analyze what did I do wrong,what do I, what should I do
differently, and then you cannavigate or engineer another
approach or path to solve a taskthat won't include what you did
(26:15):
that made it fail.
Well, scientology has never hada failure.
They've never done anythingwrong.
They've never, they've, they'vehad, they've had plenty.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They'll just never admit it.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
According to them, they're never the ones that are
wrong and they're not failing.
So, and because Hubbard wroteeverything and nothing can ever
be changed and he never didanything wrong as well then they
never learn and they can neverrepair or fix themselves,
because they've never failed andthey never make mistakes.
(26:47):
So there's no reason to changewhat they're doing.
Because if you fail and this isthe most amazing part of
Scientology is if you, they sayin Scientology, if you do it
100% correct and you applyScientology 100%, then you will
have success, and if there's 1%failure, that was you, because
(27:10):
Scientology can't be wrong.
So, for any reason, ifanything's ever wrong, you did
it wrong and you're the problem,and it's never Scientology ever
.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Anyway.
Okay, I think we answered thosepretty good.
Here we go.
This is a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Okay, harvey Denton question.
What would happen if someoneturned up at an org claiming to
be the reincarnation of aprominent deceased Scientologist
and could quote, unquote, proveit?
How seriously would they takeit?
Okay, so, first of all, nope, Imean, how would they actually
prove it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean, if you, I don't know.
See, this is another one.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Are they going to dig a hole and bury their birth
certificate and their clearcertificate and then go retrieve
those things and then walk intothe org with that if that's
never happened?
Number one, so there's neverbeen any proof.
But number two now you tookdown the question so I can't
remember the second half of thequestion could, how seriously
would they take?
oh, yeah, they do not take itseriously at all.
(28:10):
Like, like we already talkedabout earlier, there was a thing
called Last Life Clear andDavid Miscavige canceled it.
So they do not take itseriously at all.
Because guess what, if you'realready OT5, that's a lost
source of income.
So, yeah, no, and chances are,in reality those levels have
changed since you were here 50years ago and now you're.
(28:33):
You know, I mean factor in thetime.
Obviously, a newborn is notgoing to walk into an org,
thankfully, so you're going tobe at least what 17, 18, 19.
So imagine all the revisionsthat have happened since then.
So, hell, no, they're not goingto accept that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well in the purse.
Harvey's comment says aprominent Scientologist and at
the base I know myself of atleast a handful of people that
none of them came.
None of them thought that theywere a prominent Scientologist.
There were people that thoughtthat they were, and this is
(29:11):
according to the rumors thatwent around, because I know
we've said this before inScientology rumors for me.
I saw it in Scientology, thepeople that are confessing to
things and admitting things intheir counseling whether they're
Sea Org members or or employeesof Scientology or public
civilian Scientologist, itdoesn't matter who.
(29:32):
Anybody that admits somethingor says something in their
counseling, that's wild.
It gets spread around.
It's like people magazine forthe for Scientology and Sea Org
members, and there was at leastone or two people that were
thought they were Jesus.
There was a gal, abrahamLincoln that.
There was a gal that used towork for me and she used to
always get really bad headachesand one day she realized that
(29:54):
she was.
She used to be Abraham Lincolnin a past life.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But she got headaches , well after like, anyway,
whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
She got headaches well after.
Yeah, Quentin.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Hubbard was another one.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh, yeah, quentin, yeah, one of.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Elron Hubbard's sons, who committed suicide.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Somebody thought that they were him.
No, multiple people, well,thought that they were him.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So yeah, multiple people.
Well, that's true, and thatwould qualify as a prominent
Scientologist one of Hubbard'sfamily, yeah, except well more
like prominent SP, because hehad been outed.
He wasn't part of the foldanymore.
Anyhow, oh my gosh.
Yeah, there's many rabbit holeswe could go down.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But that's a short, a relatively short answer to that
question.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Perfectly Next.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay question Do you think Miscavige believes in
Scientology?
I know others have answeredthis, but I'm interested to hear
what you think.
Yes, I know I've seen varyingdegrees but honestly I say
there's no way he believes inScientology.
He believes in maintaining thepower of belief to control his
minions.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, he has changed so many things and done so many
things that Hubbard said don'tdo this.
He does those things.
Hubbard said don't dofundraising, they do fundraising
.
He said don't do thesecongresses or events in all
these different like basicallythey just round up everybody in
Scientology and have this event.
(31:21):
Hubbard said do not do that.
That is the most disruptivething in Scientology is to have
these events, because everybodystops doing their work in
Scientology and they get readyfor this event.
Miscavige any chance he getsfor this event.
Miscavige any chance he gets.
(31:41):
He tries to find some researchnote or just new discovery, to
undo something that Hubbard saidthey had to do so that he can
change it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So and also he and if he believed he wouldn't be
rewriting all the training?
All the books, all that, and hewould be doing getting
counseling himself, which he'snot.
He would be doing the thingsthat Hubbard outlined to do
instead of re-mapping the entirelandscape of Scientology.
(32:07):
Really, that's what he's done,anyway, whatever, that's my
answer.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, good Is that your final answer.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That is my final answer.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Anita gave us a super sticker.
Thank you for that.
Okay, good, is that your finalanswer?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That is my final answer.
Anita gave us a super sticker.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Thank you for that, anita.
Thank you, anita.
That's very generous.
Okay, we had another one here Ireally wanted to read because
it was great.
And also Harvey talk aboutHarvey's getting a lot of good
questions, and here's a good one.
This is the one.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Okay, therese Arvin, since the cult is shrinking,
what keeps Sea Org members busyfor all the working?
I watched your video, but I'mconfused.
Yeah, that's a good question, Imean whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To be fair, they're doing busy work.
To start with, most Sea Orgmembers are pushing paper and
cleaning hotel rooms.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Or writing letters or tracking down people that
haven't been in Scientology for30 years and yeah you got to dig
.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Hubbard codified and developed Scientology in the 50s
and 60s and he stole a lot oftheir operational techniques and
administrative functions fromthe military.
So they have like three basketin, out and pending
communication systems andthey're doing everything hard
copy on paper and they'rewriting reports all day on other
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Sea Org members and rattingeach other out and reporting on
this and reporting.
So Sea Org members do a lot ofbusy work.
When there are people cominginto Scientology and when
they're not, people that arecoming into the organizations
and getting counseling ortraining on Scientology courses.
There's endless amounts of busywork for them to get up to and
(33:46):
they're only making.
See, this is the key thing.
This is a genius in the wayHubbard set it up.
Sea Org members are making $45 aweek for a hundred, plus work
hour week.
So they're not spending moneyon labor.
The biggest expense is thethree hots at a cot and the
(34:09):
expensive buildings and theupkeep, and so they're basically
just treading water for themost part.
And there's the people that arein Scientology.
They're giving them $10 millionor they're giving them $2
million for some giant bowlingtrophy at the IAS event, the
International Association ofScientology event, at the end of
(34:30):
the year.
Those.
That's how Scientology issurviving.
If all of the Scientologywhales dried up and said we're
not giving any more money, Ithink when we left Scientology
in 2005, they had over a billiondollars worth of money that
they had received.
Scientology had taken in abillion dollars for counseling
(34:54):
and training that they had notyet delivered to their publics.
If they just if somebody saidwe're not going to take in any
more money until Scientologydelivers everything that it's
owed, it would take themhundreds of years to deliver the
things that they've alreadycharged people for.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Which, of course, motivated what For them to
change their contracts to makesure nobody could ever get their
money back.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, but then also a lot of people get declared a
suppressive person.
They don't get their money back.
Nope, they also changed itwhere if you had given money for
X and they didn't deliver you X, then they could give you books
or materials or give yousomething else that they did
have that they could easily justexchange with you and then
(35:42):
clear their debt.
But I wouldn't doubt that thenumber of undelivered services
is still in the billion or more.
They didn't deliver all thatstuff and they didn't give out
that many books and CDs.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Or David Miscavige just canceled that statistic
altogether.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well, I think that is a.
I think that's another one ofthose statistics that Hubbard
said.
This is your statistic.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He's canceled other things.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Hubbard said we got a Debbie Baker, one of our
commenters there.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Debbie, appreciate it .
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Very, very generous of of you.
Okay, um, let's see if we'vegot any more um comments, or
should we do a giveaway?
Should we do like a midwaygiveaway?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
yeah, let's do a midway giveaway let's see friday
night.
It's been a long week fridaynight.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, let me see if I can um do the screen here, the
giveaway tool, and we'll shareit.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And just as a reminder, the giveaway item for
today is the Zinu and the Bodyof.
Thayton's desk mat.
That mat right there.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's the one we're doing.
Oops, okay, here we go, we'regoing.
Oh, we're going to do the draw.
Oh, there's 64 people havecommented.
So that's it what we're doing,and we're going to hit the draw
button.
Here we go.
Commented.
So that's what we're doing, andwe're going to hit the draw
button.
Here we go, and it's going.
One of those people, one ofthese people, is going to be a
lucky winner of a Zinu and thebody Thetans desk mat and
(37:06):
congratulations witness.
Awesome, I don't think she'swon before.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Nice Congratulations, witness, good to see you here.
Shoot me an email.
All I need is your email and Iwill send you the giveaway link
for this item.
Congratulations.
There you go, xenu, in the bodythings I'll say, alex said, oh
my God, there's a BT desk mat,yeah of course, Alex.
What else would you expect?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So we're giving away today Xenu in the body things.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Beard for good over here.
What else would you expect?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
in the body, bearded beard for good over here.
What else would you expect?
Come on now.
Absolutely okay, back to thereal world over here.
I don't know why that camera?
Well, it's just a.
It's just a tiny little cameraI didn't end up using for a job
and I stuck it up there.
Um, okay, let's see.
What else do we have any othergood do shippy shippy shoe?
We had other questions, mark wedid, but, um, I'm I'm running,
I'm running out of them.
Okay, here we go.
This is a good one.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Okay, bears Mom question.
Mark, you went from callingClaire sir to doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
No, I've never called her doctor, but I did actually.
I don't even know.
I may have had to call her sironce or twice, but most of the
time if I was referring to her Ihad to actually call her Mr
Headley.
So if I was Uber weird, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
So if she came down to the area and she said
something to so-and-so andbecause she was from Religious
Technology Center and I was inGolden Era Productions, so for
context for anyone listeningthat doesn't know that backstory
I was senior to Mark bymultiple echelons at that point.
So for a period of eight yearsI was in Religious Technology
Center and Mark was in GoldenEra Productions.
So during those years, per LRon Hubbard, he was required to
call me sir if he was directlyaddressing me, or Mr Headley if
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he was talking about directlyaddressing me, or Mr Hedley if
he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So somebody came in.
If she came in and sent a bunchof stuff to some people and
then left, and then one of myexecutives came in and said what
happened, I'd say Mr Hedley wasjust here and then she talked
to this person and this personsaid they need to do blah, blah,
blah, based on something thatDavid Miscavige said to do, but
I would have to refer to her asMr Headley, or actually I could
call you, depending on what yourjob.
I could say.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Durr Internal was here and she said this I could
say it Internal Exact, I wasn'tDurr.
Internal, whatever Internal.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Exact.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, the weirdest thing was the times that I would
go to study.
So any CEREC member at Hubbardis required to attend study for
two and a half hours a day, fivedays a week.
For, like, the minimum amountof study for a member of the Sea
Organization is 12 and a halfhours of studying Scientology
(39:46):
per week, Like it has to be inthe schedule.
So at the beginning of everytwo and a half hour period of
study everyone sits down,there's supervisors and the
supervisor does a roll call andso for the lower orgs they would
just say your name and youwould say I, I, I.
But for the people in RTC orreligious technology center or
(40:09):
management they would say MrBlah, mr Blah, mr Blah.
We were just like oh my God.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
That was good too.
Yeah, I like this, Joseph BrianStanley.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Okay, let's see.
Oddly, the first thingMiscavige did after LRH died was
hold a huge event, Exactlycompletely.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Literally the week he died they did an event and
everybody had to come and findout.
But yes, there is.
This is a big deal at theinternational headquarters
because you you can only seethis thing that L Ron Hubbard
wrote If you're at the very topof Scientology, which is there
is a lot of, a lot of thingslike that that happen at the
(40:51):
international headquarters.
You are privy to L Ron Hubbardwritings and L Ron Hubbard
directives that you can't get atany other level in Scientology.
So you get an extra perspectiveon things where you can see the
thing that Hubbard wrote sayingdo not do these events and
they're forbidden.
(41:11):
And then you know that there'sseven events every year since
Miscavige took over.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And you basically like.
Well, why are we doing this, ifhe said not to do this?
And there's no answer to thatquestion, so yes, another
comment from Lapita.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Tori.
Tori said she met manyCleopatras, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
There was a yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think I met a Julius Caesar at one time.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I mean you know as I'm telling
you guys why be mundane when youcan be outstanding?
I guess I don't know Like makeit entertaining, at least get
some creativity in the room.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, oh, here's, one .
Speaker 2 (41:56):
John question what do you think about Joy Vila
leaving Scientology?
Yes, good for her, great to herfor speaking out and yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's great.
I mean, the thing is about Joyis?
There's a lot of celebrities, Iguess, in that kind of people
that are known in the outsideworld, that are in Scientology,
and a lot of those people haveleft recently.
What's that skateboarder guy,tony?
No, not Tony the other guy,what's the guy?
(42:28):
Jason Lee, laura Prepon?
There's people that have left.
They just don't tell anybodyand they never make it public.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So when somebody leaves and then they tell
everybody, that those peoplehave my respect way more than
the people that just crawl awayand don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
that's where Leah Remini will always have my
respect.
She didn't.
She could have just walked away.
Could have just walked away.
Luckily she got her entirefamily out, but she didn't Hell
no.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, here's another one.
Kb love it.
I think that's when Davey comesup with things like the golden
age of tech.
So everyone has to do coursesover.
Yes, that's absolutely correct.
Golden age of tech, golden ageof knowledge, golden age of
admin, golden age of do it allover again.
Yeah it's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, it's a lot of nonsense.
Yeah, oh, debbie says I neverget notifications anymore.
Unsubscribe and thenresubscribe and then click the
bell notification item icon.
Usually that fixes it.
Sometimes I don't know.
Youtube is there's, you know,there's billions of hours of
video and people using YouTube,so sometimes things slip through
the cracks.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh yeah, apostate Alex is in the chat.
He said golden age of tech,phase two, don't forget.
Yeah exactly Phase two, phasethree, phase 500, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So much nonsense.
And Beccacca says this issunday afternoon already.
No, we're doing it earlybecause we're going to be gone
on sunday.
We're throwing, we're throwinga bone out there because, um, we
didn't do it, um, here we go.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Okay, that wasn't it, sorry, okay oh, hey, mark also,
so he can make people redoauditing levels they already did
.
Yes, that's in reference topeople having to do things over
and over again in Scientology.
Yes, dave question.
I know Edgar Winter was inScientology.
Was his brother, johnny Winter,in as well?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I don't actually think so.
I know that Edgar Winter cameto the international base on a
few different occasions to dorecordings he recorded at.
Edgar Winter actually recordedan album called Space Jazz.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And was it Space Jazz ?
No, Mission Earth.
There is an album called SpaceJazz, but Edgar Winter recorded
this one called Mission Earth.
I think Space Jazz was alsokind of Mission Earth or
Battlefield Earth, kind ofadjacent.
But Edgar Winter recorded analbum, a bunch of songs from an
album called Mission Earth, andit went along with this whole
(45:07):
series of books, science fictionBasically.
I mean, we've talked about thisbefore, but anybody who hasn't
read Mission Earth there's 10volumes, I think- I don't
recommend it.
It's basically space porn.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
It's major hardcore triple X space porn.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's worse than that, actually.
I understand Some of it isworse than that.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
If they could never make a movie and be true to the
books, that wouldn't be triple X.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That is the fact of it.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
With like a mix of what's it called those dark, you
know the.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Hold on a second, let's go, let's zoom in a Claire
, it was like, it's like tripleX meets snuff movies.
What.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, no, it absolutely is.
It would basically be I wasallowed to read it when I was 13
and I remember my hair beinglike wait, what?
Yeah, I remember as a kid beingencouraged to read mission
earth I was adults were allreading it in scientology and it
was like you I read battlefieldearth when I was 13, when I was
doing the purification rundown.
(46:14):
Not recommended, by the way, asa 13-year-old, to spend five
hours, sometimes 10 hours, a dayin the sauna.
Not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Also, and you were reading it in the sauna.
Yeah, she was reading spaceporn in the sauna, guys.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
No, no, this was Battlefield.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Earth.
Oh, that's not Mission Earthwas the one that was.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That's what I was talking about.
Battlefield Earth was just, youknow, like so, so sci-fi,
(46:51):
nothing compared to RobertHeinlein and you know all the
peers, the amazing sci-fiauthors from that era where
Hubbard was trying to emulatethose people, and yeah, whatever
, we're off on a tangent, solet's go back to it.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
yeah, it's uh definitely mission earth space
porn.
I they don't talk about that inscientology, they never talk
about that aspect.
Nor do they talk about, by theway, that, while Hubbard did not
write, the upper OT levels hedid write 10 volumes of space
(47:20):
porn meets snuff movies anothergreat example of how there's
definitely not any OT levels,because Hubbard took a break
from writing OT levels to write10 volumes of space porn.
Okay, so there's no over upperOT levels.
And also, he died right afterthat.
(47:41):
He literally wrote that andthen died.
So, anyway, he, he, he.
I'm not gonna.
We can't keep talking about itbecause my, uh, my dialogue will
devolve very quickly.
Um, okay, what else do we gothere?
Um, here's a good okay.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Jessica question has the decay of Scientology moved
slower or faster than you haveexpected?
Very definitely faster, I meanwe you know Mark has been had
started posting on the internetin 2006.
That's, we got out in 2005.
So we literally now have beenexposing and talking about
(48:23):
Scientology abuses for 20 yearsand I will absolutely say that
HBO's documentary Going Clear,leah Remini's Scientology in the
Aftermath exponentiallyincreased the decline of
Scientology.
I mean, we had done multipledocumentaries, participated in
(48:44):
many different things prior tothat.
We live in a small town inColorado.
The impact that it had was veryobvious to Mark and I because
we'd have people coming up to uswho had known us for 10 years
in our small town and, of course, we have businesses, we work,
we interact with people.
It's not that we don't talkabout it, but we don't make it
(49:08):
our leading line like oh hi, I'mClaire, nice to meet you.
I was born in a cult and spentthe first 30 years of my life
and escaped and yeah, hey, letme help you.
That's not how we would lead,anyway, and the point being that
we saw an exponential increasein the amount of people
generally publicly aware of theabusive and dangerous nature of
(49:30):
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes, oh, here's another.
Oh, it's a fall.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Oh, Joseph Brian Stanley Mission Earth artwork
was very erotic as well.
I was around 10 when it cameout.
They had cosplay charactersrunning around Big Blue at the
time, oh my.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
God, that's right they had.
There's a guy.
Yeah, because there was this.
There's a guy.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, cause there was a Jethro Heller and I think his
sister's name was Heidi in thebook.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
The artist.
There's an artist who did allof these paintings for mission
earth and his name was FrankFrazetta, and Frank Frazetta,
basically for every.
I think he might've done theall of the covers of those books
, like all of the book covers.
And then they had all thisartwork that they were selling,
which I will tell you a littlesecret.
(50:16):
We'll give you a little hint ofa secret about that whole thing
, but either way, he had thesewomen were very scantily clad in
all of, and I remember Scantilyclad in all of, and I remember
Scantily clad.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I remember when Wait what.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
They would sell these paintings.
They were like $10,000 for apainting and they were signed
and they were special printingsand all this other stuff and
there was a whole bunch of TNAflapping around in these
pictures and they would be up inthe organizations and you'd be
like going.
I was a little kid.
I was like I want to say what88 is when?
(50:54):
A lot of that stuff, when did alot of that stuff come out?
In the mid 80s, right right, itwas like late 80s, mid 80s,
somebody google, google, foo,when mission earth came out
earlier well, yeah, but yeah,but Mission Earth was the
spaceport.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, I think it came out I don't know roughly 86 to
88.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Either way, when these things came out, they had
titties and all the orgs inthese pictures.
That's how it went.
It was a lot.
It was a lot if you were ayoung man going into the
organization.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
A young boy, you're like wait what?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
You're like so what are we doing here?
What's going on?
Yes, Joseph, the Mission Earthartwork.
I totally forgot about all that.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Look, it's Casey.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Casey, I love to you both.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Thanks, Casey.
It's very generous of you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Never ceases to make me laugh.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Anyway, what else do we got Wait, I don't see any
other questions in there Ifwe've gotten, some I didn't see.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Let me look.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Hold on, You've been yapping and I've been yapping
and no one's been starringanything.
I'm just going to throw up afew little here and I'll read
them while you look.
Hello to the other Aftermathgang, If you're listening
Christy, Leah, Amy, Matt and therest.
We miss you.
Yes, absolutely, We'll let themknow.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
We will, indeed, and Amy, when we did the foundation
live a few weeks ago talkingabout all the different programs
that the Michael J RinderAftermath Foundation has been
working on, amy and Matt joinedus for that and Amy said she
might consider coming back for,uh, our gosh, what was it called
?
Uh, weekly wednesday updatesthat we always did that we had
(52:35):
so much fun doing and talkingabout all things, oh, all things
scientology.
Gosh, how can I forget that wedid like 27 episodes of that for
yeah, that would be fun yes,anyway so, but yes, we will pass
that along.
Thank you for that, love it.
After a few years, didn't yourun out of stuff to study?
You would think so, but no,because there was always new
(52:57):
things, or you know, just likewe were talking about with the
golden age of tech and goldenage of admin and golden age of
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
Same was true.
And actually, as a Sea Orgmember, you always had to have
what was called a TIP, aTechnical Individual Program,
which dictated the courses andthe counseling that you were
(53:18):
required to do.
So if you ever ran out, thenthey would give you more to do.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Nice, I think it was Women on Wednesday women on
Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
There you go, something like that.
But either way, I, we, we had alot of fun doing that and
obviously life got in the way,but hopefully we can get back to
that Cause I would love that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yep, and yeah, that's about it.
So why don't you do thegiveaway?
I'll look for any last umquestions oh, wait um, okay love
maddie question how successfuldo you think the scientology
podcast with carrie casem willbe destined for failure?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
yeah, they're not allowed to talk about anything
real with anybody.
Real, no, everything's.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
They're not allowed to respond to any real questions
like is Scientology a cult?
They can't answer that question.
So you know and that's usuallythe first question that anyone I
was thinking about that.
You know, they Scientology putup this whole fight about the
curious billboards and um,alleging that it was their trade
(54:25):
dress, and I, I thought tomyself, gosh, how really stupid
are they.
Because in this day and age, ifyou're curious about something,
what do you do?
You Google it on the internet,at least as a starting point.
Yeah, yeah, bad news,scientology.
Have you Googled yourselflately?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
Somebody said Emlyn Smith justfound an audio drama of invaders
planet.
Am I listening to this thing orlater, or not?
I don't think that the audioversions will have the space
porn in them.
I think they're.
The audio versions are cut downof what the book is.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Really it's a bridged .
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I mean each volume waslike they were giant, easily two
, two inches thick.
They were like the other thing.
I just saw somebody said it andsaid uh, joseph, brian Stanley,
88, the same time.
So mission earth came out in1988.
I knew it was in the late 80s.
Yeah, so it came out the sametime.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
But it wasn't all released all at once.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
I understand.
Okay, but it came out, startedcoming out in 88.
It was the same time as OT8.
So they released the lastoperating Phaeton level, number
eight, that Hubbard ever wrote.
He didn't write any other afterthat ever wrote.
He didn't write any other afterthat.
So if any, if you see any ot9sor 10 coming out of scientology,
(55:52):
that's some more made upnonsense which, to be fair, l
run.
Hubbard made it up in the firstplace.
So making up some new stuff'snot that really a stretch.
But either way that he came outwith ot8, which I'm gonna say
ot8.
How many pages is ot8?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
like I don't actually know, but it's not that long
let's say it's 20 or 30 pagesyeah, it's not long at all.
Let's say it's 50 pages forcomparison, and so you
understand what we're talkingabout.
Ot7 takes anywhere from youknow, easily two to ten years.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Uh, ot8 took generally a week yeah, just for
Just for to the operating Thetanlevel eight.
Yeah, it takes a week, it's aweek.
You go that to free wins and aweek or two later you're done.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Now you.
I think you would be hardpressed to read mission earth If
you read it all day and allnight.
I think you'd be hard pressedto get through it in a week if
you just read all day and allnight.
Yeah, it would take you.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I mean, if you're a speed reader, mad genius.
I mean, anyway, I'm not a slowreader, I'm not a super fast
reader, but you know me, I readbooks all the time, at least
once a week or one or two weeks.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, if it's.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
If it's exceptionally good, then it will be read in
two days.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Scientology peeling.
The onion Mark said 1985, bythe way.
But yeah, it's fine Either way,it was all right around in the
same like period.
Yeah, the audio versions.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
the cassette versions may have come out in the later
80s or either way, butregardless, Hubbard did write 10
volumes, hundreds and thousandsof pages of space porn and no
OT levels.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
So evidently he wasn't doing the greatest good
for the greatest number ofdynamics.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
The guy had priorities.
Okay, he had priorities, andone thing was that it is all
crap.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Exactly, that's.
That's exactly right.
Jess Wilco said my mother wason OT seven for 18 years.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
There you go.
Gary Jackson Moorhead hey, youtwo fabulous people.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Hey Gary, hey Jackson , okay, let's see.
Yeah, there you go.
Ddk, it's all crap yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
It's it.
So for anybody who's like, howcan you talk about this If you
didn't do that level?
Um, I didn't.
The fact that I didn't pay todo the OT levels and I was able
to read them online and just ripthrough them and not have
anybody tell me I was doing itwrong or doing it right Um, I
was able to ascertain thatthey're a bunch of nonsense.
(58:28):
And also, you learn about howto get rid of space cooties.
That's what you learn on the OTlevels.
Okay, and then you on OT7, thiswoman who says that her mom was
on OT7 for 18 years.
Ot seven is where you're.
You're basically like your ownpersonal immigration office and
(58:52):
you're evicting illegal aliensfrom your body all day.
That's what you're doing.
You're evicting body Thetansthat are living in you and and
and negatively affecting yourlife.
And you, you're supposed to dothis every single day and
sometimes multiple times a day.
Right, you're supposed to do it.
(59:13):
You're supposed to go onsession if you can, even once or
twice a day.
Not just once a day, butmultiple times, cause these
space cooties they get to movingaround.
If you don't keep kicking themout, they might find another
good hiding place.
So you got to keep them on theball.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, we're members of the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Here we go.
Okay, japan of Green Gables.
Hey, hey, hey, question.
We're members of the Sea Orgwith front-facing posts required
to read LRH fiction, in caseany public asked about it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Not really.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
No, I mean, we were all required to read I Pedrito
when that came out, but not forthe purpose of answering
questions, though.
Were you supposed to read, likethe Hubbard, basic books to be
able to answer any questionsabout Scientology?
Absolutely, but the fiction Imean possibly at Bridge
Publications and Author Services.
(01:00:07):
Maybe I didn't hear about thatbeing a requirement.
No, anyhow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, the people that were required to read it were
the people that worked at BridgePublications, who made the book
, just because they're sellingit and they're talking about it,
and then the people that workedat this place called Author
Services or ASI, and they're theones that get the books
translated and produced and dobook fairs and all this, you
know nonsense.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It just made me laugh about like the whole hard sell,
like what are they going to do?
Hard sell you on.
You just did a better hard selljob on Mission Earth.
There's already people lookingit up like wow, spaceborne.
I'm going to go read this.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I wish, I wish I had a referral
link, but we ain't on the bestof terms with those folks, so I
don't think I'm getting one.
But, um, somebody messaged methe other day saying that we get
this all the time.
I we get one of these emailslike probably every six months,
like hey, I went to go buy yourbook on Amazon.
It was $650.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I know so.
So backstory we do not sell onAmazon, we have, we have a hand.
Oh sorry, you always correct meon this.
We sell Kindle and audible onAmazon.
For the actual physical books,we sell those on.
Okay, that's enough, enough,move along.
(01:01:30):
Please Come on now, geez.
For the actual physical books,there's a very limited amount of
copies left of paperback andhardback and we sell those
directly on our merch store oron our website, belongforgoodcom
.
That's where you can buy themat a very reasonable rate of
$19.95 for a paperback versionand $24.95 for a hardback, plus,
(01:01:54):
of course, the cost of shipping.
So there you have it.
That's my answer.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Okay, we can be good now.
Okay, do we need to do a secondgiveaway?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yep, we'll do one last giveaway and then we'll let
everyone go be free.
Bts for friday free bts.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, we're gonna draw again.
See up here in the corner itsays draw again.
I'm gonna hit that button andthen we're off.
Here we go, here we go, and onelucky winner is gonna win a
xenu in the body, thetan's deskmat.
Congratulations, mark.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
You don't even have to do anything, I'll send you a
giveaway link, mark.
Congratulations, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Look at that.
You know, see, it's definitelynot rigged we.
I know stream yards giveawaytool man.
It's great, Look at that.
Good job, Mark.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Um go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Okay, I think we did good here we're going to.
It's the summer, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
We got kids, we got jobs, we got summer and we do
have something special happening, not this Sunday, but next
Sunday, so June 8th.
So if you didn't get anotification bell today, then do
what Mark suggested unsubscribe, resubscribe, hit that
notification bell.
We will be doing a specialthing.
Mark doesn't even know what I'mtalking about, so it's okay.
(01:03:14):
Just you know he does what Itell him, even if it appears
otherwise on camera.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, I'm finding out for the first time, guys.
Okay, thanks, guys, we will do,but we will be in and out
throughout the summer.
We're going to try and do asmany as we can, but I'm going to
be in.
I think I counted it up.
I'm going to be in nine states,different states, doing work
this summer.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
And then we just have a lot going on in our, in our,
just our regular everyday lives.
At least most of the time.
Those are not long trips, soyou will be back for most of the
weekends and I have a reallygood idea to pitch to you for
for my filler, filler.
You know days that I need tofill for you.
I had, I had a really good idea.
I just have to make sure youknow you approve my complete.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Oh, look at this guy, You're hearing it right here.
Um awesome guys do whatever Iwant.
So yeah, I don't.
It's like, if she wants to do,uh, you, we do have a bunch of
people that you were going to.
Um, we do have a whole bunch ofnew interviews that we're doing
on the channel with someamazing people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So I'm looking forward to that and, yes, I I
thoroughly enjoy when I I justhonestly have been really
buckling down to finish my book,which is finally making some
really good progress.
End of June is when I will bedone with my first draft and I'm
aiming for later this year forrelease.
So, yay, Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Awesome guys.
Well, thank you very much forjoining us today, and I think we
did all the giveaways, we didall the stuff, yep.
Much for, uh, joining us todayand, um, I think we did all the
giveaways, we did all the stuff,yep, um thanks to everyone
joining us.
Hope you have an amazingweekend yeah yeah until next
time, guys, I gotta do my endthing so I can match my uh, my
guide, my out guy sure till nexttime, guys.
Thanks for watching.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Secrets.
I am joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hey, hey, hey, good to see everyone here this fine
Friday evening.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We decided we were out last weekend and we're going
to be again out this weekend,so we figured we'd do just a
live Q&A on a Friday, just so wecould, you know, keep doing
stuff and stay in touch with youguys.
And, as always, we like to knowwhere you're watching from in
(00:52):
the comments.
And if you let us know in thecomments where you're watching
from, you will automatically beentered into a giveaway at the
end of the video.
And we're going to do somethinga little different.
We're going to show you thething that we're giving away
today.
It's a desk mat.
I'm going to show you guys thisit's a Zeno in the Body things
(01:15):
desk mat.
It is 15 inches by 31 inches.
It's actually I think it's alittle bit, even a little bit
bigger.
It's 15 and a half by 31 and ahalf lest you have to be peering
to see the aliens.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
You will not have to rest assured.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
And um, it's.
It's a xenu and the bodythetans, the, the band uh, xenu
and the body thetans.
It's their official merchandise.
And oh, actually we can show ithere.
Look see, this is how big it is.
I'll put up, uh, go see there,it is right there.
That's how big it is, rightthere on the table, xenu in the
body.
It covers your whole desk.
It's basically like a, it'slike a mouse pad, but it's for
(01:52):
your entire desk.
I love desk mats.
I use them all the time.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Claire's got a desk mat, she's got one, I've got one
, we've got one right here andsomebody is going to get one at
the end of this stream.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, maybe two somebodies We'll see.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh, two somebodies.
Okay, good and yeah.
So we want to pull up thecomments and we'll.
We'll see where people arecoming in from.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Yes, let's do that.
Becky, big brother fan.
Hey, looking forward to this.
Good to see you, becky.
Lori Pachica, ottawa, in thehouse.
Hi all, Awesome.
K Peel, watching from TempeArizona, drinking out of my new
Zinu is my homeboy mug.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Nice, also available in the merch store.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Should we say Zinu is a proud sponsor of the shows
here at the.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
He's not.
He's not.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, fair enough.
I don't know.
You know I was feeling, uh,whatever you call it emilyn
smith.
Hi from south carolina.
That wasn't the word I waslooking for, but that's okay.
Poodle bone hello from new yorkcity.
Awesome, kb from waco, texas.
Good to see everyone.
Uh, betsy, sue, greetings fromcameron, north Carolina.
(03:05):
Nice, dave Rauscher, just cause.
Hello from Tioga County,pennsylvania.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Cool.
Jane from South Carolina.
Yeah, we're throwing off ourvery fastidious routine of
Sundays, but you know, hey, whatcan we say?
We're keeping it going.
Ruth from Toronto is here.
Thank you for joining us.
Susie SP or S Poon, s Poon,susie Spoon.
(03:36):
Hi from Hunter Valley,australia.
Awesome, that's sweet, anita.
Hello, beautiful people fromthe Netherlands.
It's funny, I was literallyjust thinking oh, I wonder if we
messed up the Netherlands.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, they're here.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
John watching from Niagara Falls.
Awesome, jack Shaw 809.
Hello from Henderson Nevada.
Wow, it's 102 here, oof.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
No, thank you, no, thank you.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yeah, exactly.
Or as our youngest son likes tosay I'm good, I'm good, I'm
good.
Harvey denton, hello frombirmingham, everyone awesome.
Allison piano, hi from newjersey.
Julie, hey from wisconsin,transfer madness.
Sedona, ari, awesome.
(04:22):
Denny Sue, detroit, in theHouse, nice.
Rhett Stack, howdy, howdy fromSactown, california, there you
go.
Melanie Johnson, happy Fridayfrom a very rainy West Virginia.
Yeah, luckily we have beautifulweather here.
Lupita, hi y'all from Texas,nice, oh, we did that one.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
We did that one there you go.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I think we caught up and, of course, thank you to our
wonderful mod, catherine, forbeing here.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Yeah, oh, one more, a few more.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Danny Clark, hi Mark and Claire, and to everyone from
Dublin Ireland, nice.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
And then this one.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, hi from Sweden.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Okay, good, last one.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Therese Arvin, he says that all the time.
By the way, folks, indianapolis, indiana, slowing down, awesome
, right Cool.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Okay.
So normally when we do theseScientology secrets episodes we
tell you guys a bunch of secretsabout Scientology.
Today we're just going to askfor questions.
If you guys have questionsabout things, put them in the
comments.
It helps if you put questionbefore it.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I think sometimes it does Just so it helps us find it
.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
But if you guys have got questions, go ahead and put
them in the comments and ifthey're good ones they'll get
starred and then we'll read them.
They'll get noted for me topull them up.
But we did have.
Where is this one?
We did have a good one.
I thought that was right beforethe stream they put in.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
That was a great question.
Auditing Scientology KC.
Would the SP know of his pastlife if he hasn't reached OT8?
Does being declared cancel OT8if you've reached it?
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So the first answer- Well, let's break this down a
little bit.
Because not everybody knowseverything.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Okay, true, yeah, we should back it up.
Just a second.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
SP means suppressive person, and if you're in
Scientology and you talk badabout Scientology or you do
anything that Scientologydoesn't like which really could,
at the end of the day, could beanything then you get declared
a suppressive person and you'renot allowed to be in Scientology
anymore.
That's it.
You're kicked out.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's similar to.
It's similar to beingexcommunicated or shunned, but
when you're declared you aredisconnected from and literally
the only way you would ever beable to speak to your family
members again or anyone elsethat you cared about that has
disconnected from you, like mymother or Mark's mom or, you
(06:53):
know, our siblings the only wayyou would ever be able to speak
to them again is to do whatScientology calls the A to E
steps and essentially go backinto Scientology calls the A to
E steps and essentially go backinto Scientology.
That's the only way.
So, sidebar, when Scientologysays they accept people of all
religions, this is one of themost blatant examples of how
(07:14):
that is a complete and utter lie.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Yeah, they don't, they definitely, they certainly
don't.
And this point okay.
So they said would the SP knowof his past life if he hasn't
reached OT8?
Right, ot8, really, and this iskind of funny because not any
of these.
Operating OT means operatingThetan, level number eight, and
(07:38):
that's the highest level ofcounseling you can get in
Scientology and it's called andactually I was thinking about
this the other day it's calledtruth revealed.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It is.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
There's no truth revealed.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Unless you realize you should.
Gtfo Scientology.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
It should be called bullshit revealed.
That's what it should be called, but there's no, there's, no,
there's no like achievement thatgets unlocked.
That, then, will allow you toremember what happened in a
previous life.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Right, and even backing up there, just you know,
in case we have new peopletuning in.
So in Scientology, they believethat you live lifetime after
lifetime after lifetime,lifetime after lifetime.
Um, so, when you die, you, yourthetan, aka that's
(08:32):
scientology's word for soul goesand just gets a new body at the
local hospital.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right, yeah, theoretically that's how it
works theoretically.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Uh, if that's your belief system, which it's not
mine, but that's okay.
Uh, obviously I wouldn't be,here blown for good.
Would the SP know of his pastlife if he hasn't reached OTA?
So the answer to that istechnically yes, because even
way below, before you get to theadvanced levels you learn about
(08:59):
and you go in your counselingyou start addressing what's
called whole track, meaning likeyou talk about things that
happened in earlier lifetimesthat might be the cause of you
know the problems that you'refacing currently.
So, in other words, ota is not arequirement for the person to
(09:19):
know that they've lived prior,or that they've alleged to
believe that they've lived prior, or that they allege to believe
that they've lived priorlifetimes.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Yeah, but the key point here is that David
Miscavige canceled that whereyou have things that you did in
your last life that you couldthen take credit for in this
life.
So there was a long time where,if someone had achieved the
state of clear which is sort oflike the very first major
milestone on Scientology'sbridge to total freedom, yes,
(09:48):
you could say in the olden days,from like the 50s to like the
1980s or early 90s, you couldsay, oh, I went clear last
lifetime and everybody was allup for that.
But in the 90s David Miscavigecanceled that and said it
doesn't matter what you did lastlifetime, that was nonsense.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You have to do it this lifetime.
He literally went around tohundreds of people and whoever
said that they had achieved,quote unquote, last lifetime
clear which, by the way, issomething Hubbard had talked
about in some of his writingsthat, oh, they're going to be
coming back around becausethey're dying and they're
picking up new bodies, and sowe'll be seeing last lifetime
clears Though you know it'sfunny.
(10:28):
You just made me realizethere's nothing similar to that
for OT levels.
There's not any like oh, I waslast lifetime OT3.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, no, that's why I'm saying it's not even a thing
.
So that's why I'm saying, eventhough technically maybe you
could remember it, they wouldn'taccept it, because you, because
anybody could say that, and saythat I remembered that and it
would be, it would be nonsenseand if it wasn't nonsense, it'd
still be nonsense.
Somebody messaged me the otherday saying you know, how can you
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talk about a lot of this stuff?
Cause in Scientology people whoknow my story I didn't do any
training or counseling inScientology.
I was working there, I wasmaking DVDs and tapes and all
that.
And it's sort of like sayinglike, like, if somebody left the
Nixxiom cult, and saying, well,how far did you get, how could
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you talk about Nixxiom if youweren't?
Well, I don't have a PhD inbullshit, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I have a PhD in bullshit.
He does have a PhD in bullshit,so it's sort of like I actually
, when I was getting ready totestify as an expert witness in
the Danny Masterson trial, Iliterally did the calculations
of, from, you know, age four uponwards, but especially from
when I joined the seaorganization when I was 16 years
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old.
That's that.
That's the hours that I countedI was in the sea organization,
counted up the number of hours Ispent studying those materials,
and it was more than 10 000hours yeah, which counts as a
phd if you look at how manyhours it so that's called a PhD
in bullshit.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, it's the expert level if you've done something
for 10,000 hours.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Doesn't matter how messed up.
Whatever it was that you weremade to do.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, the other thing is that where I worked in
Scientology, we produced thesethings called the technical
training films, and in order toproduce those films, we actually
did have to study and know whatwe were filming and have an
understanding of it so that itcould be the correct
representation of thatScientology technology.
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So, just as a I don't even knowwhat you call it as a secondary
contact, we were exposed to alot of the theories and the
technology, as they call it inScientology.
But anyway, yes, a lot ofnonsense in Scientology.
Okay, do we have another goodquestion?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
there.
Oh yeah, we have a bunch ofgood questions.
Oh yeah, okay, here we go.
You want me to say it.
Sorry, I'm multitasking.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I'm going to read this one while you're looking
for it.
Debbie Baker says Mark, nodisrespect to Claire.
When you are talking and Claireinterrupts you while you are
talking, the look on your faceis priceless.
The second time you look likeyour head is going to explode.
Yeah, no, a lot of times it'sfunny when Claire and I get to
talking.
If we're telling a story orwe're trying.
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If somebody asks a question,we're both trying to answer it.
We will both when.
We used to do this a lot whenwe were in different rooms,
because there's a little bit ofa delay and so we would answer a
question and then we would bothbe trying to answer it,
thinking the other person isgoing to stop talking.
But neither one of us everstops talking.
So we just keep talking over itUntil finally I'd just be like
(13:50):
I guess I'm going to have tostop talking because she's just
not going to stop.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, hold on a minute.
I have something to add to that.
I used to just let you talk.
And then I realized if I don'tever cut them off, I'm literally
never going to get a word inedgewise.
So you're going to have to getused to this.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yeah, okay, here's another.
Here's another good one here.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Okay, jessica question why does Scientology
want to own all of Clearwater?
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I don't think that they, I don't think they want to
own all of Clearwater.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Oh, I do.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
No, no, they do want to own that whole downtown area
where they are.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah, that way they could say they have a cleared
city.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Now Scientology has this thing where the ultimate
goal of Scientology is to clearthe planet, which means to get
every single person in the worldand all of Earth up to that
point that we were talking aboutthe state of clear, which is
like the first major milestoneon the Scientology bridge to
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total freedom, or what they callthe grade chart.
And if you get everybody tothat first level of clear, then
according to Scientology, thenthe world will be saved and then
people can then progress allthe way up the other levels
where you get superpowers andyou can be cause over matter,
energy, space and time.
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Scientology has been aroundsince the 1950s.
They have never cleared asingle zip code, much less the
planet or a block.
They've not even ever cleared ablock, yeah, a city block
they've never cleared.
So if Scientologists justpracticed math they could figure
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that out.
Like how many people like anyScientology organization out
there, let's say, they're makingthey get one person to clear
every week, which no Scientologyorganization, um, does every
single week?
They're not getting somebodycleared.
It may be in Florida at thatbig giant complex, at that place
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Maybe they make a clear everyweek, but they're not even
supposed to be doing the lowerparts of Scientology.
They're supposed to be doing theupper levels of Scientology.
But even if every organizationin the world cleared one person
a week, it'd take them like10,000 years to clear a zip code
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.
So they're never going to clearplanet Earth.
It's an impossible task thatthey will never, ever achieve,
ever.
It's.
It's an impossible task thatthey will never, ever achieve,
ever.
It's not going to happen, um,and they've only been getting
slower at doing it becausethere's more people.
So if they say in 1950, theywould have had to do a thousand
clears a week in order to do it,and that would take them
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whatever, you just divide thepopulation by a thousand per
week and it's still going totake them thousands of years.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
So it's ridiculous and they're never going to do it
.
But the other answer to thequestion on why they're trying
to buy all of Clearwater or allof the downtown area is that
particularly David Miscavige isexceptionally paranoid 100%.
They would like to havecomplete control, their zone in
which they can keep a bubblearound all those staff, so
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nobody from the outside worldcan interact, nobody can see
them or talk to them or any ofthat, and that's another piece
of it from a strategyperspective.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, when we were there and when we were in
Scientology and in the Sea Org,our jobs took us to Florida and
we worked in the Clearwater area.
It's called the Flag Land Base.
Is what that in the Sea Org?
That's what that is referred toFLB or the Flag Land Base or
just Flag.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And we weren't allowed to shop at the stores in
Clearwater that weren'tScientology owned.
We weren't allowed to kind atthe stores in Clearwater that
weren't Scientology owned.
We weren't allowed to kind ofinteract with the people.
You had to.
There was a period where youweren't even allowed to walk
from building to building.
You had to go on a shuttle formany, many years.
If you wanted to go from one oftheir properties to another
properties.
You had to get in a van and geta ride to one of those other
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properties Because there wereSPs just out in the wild Right
talking about Xenu and bodythetans, oh my.
And so they wouldn't even allowit.
So ideally, david Miscavigewants to give the appearance to
Scientologists that they'reexpanding, and the way they
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expand in Scientology is topurchase more real estate and
the more real estate they have,that proves, quote unquote, that
they're expanding and they'regetting bigger.
Really, their bank account'sexpanding from the few people
that they do have.
They're just figuring out moreand better ways to get money out
of those people and they'rejust buying more buildings.
They're not getting moremembers.
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Scientology's members have beenshrinking since the 90s and I
would say I mean for a while wewere saying it could be 10,000,
it could be 15,000, could be20,000.
I think it's more closer to the10, the people that are in
Scientology, that are gettingcounseling or they're going into
an organization andparticipating in training, doing
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Scientology courses or doingScientology counseling.
I would be surprised if it wasmore than 10,000 people.
At this point, based oneverything that's happening,
just even based on the eventsthat they hold, they can't even
fill Ruth Eckert Hall.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
No, and honestly, even if it is 10,000, there's no
way those 10,000 people areactively doing Scientology
courses and training.
Just no way.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Here's another good one that helps people when it
says what exactly does clearmean?
It just means in Scientologythey have this thing called the
reactive mind and in Dianeticsyou learn that the reactive mind
is recording these moments ofpain and unconsciousness and
they may have words or commandsattached to them, called engrams
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.
And when you do Dianetics,auditing and early Scientology
procedures you erase and you getrid of those engrams.
And when you first start inScientology they tell you the
engrams are what's messing youup.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Right.
So it's Dianetics, the modernscience of mental health, which,
as we've talked about before,is considered the book one of
Scientology and Dianetics.
But yes, in that book Hubbarddescribes the theory that you
have an analytical mind and areactive mind, and the reactive
mind is the cause of allsomatics, pain, you know,
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misemotion, all of that kind ofstuff.
So if you address the engramsand then realize you're creating
your own reactive mind poof,it's all gone, and now you're
just a uh hom mind poof, it'sall gone, and now you're just a
homo novus, I think it's calledYou're no longer homo sapiens.
Yeah, homo sapien, you're a homonovus.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Here's another good follow-up to that.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Love it.
Do you think that not having areactive mind just means going
blank?
No reaction emotionally.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Good question I don't think that it means it's, it's
literally.
This is another.
We get into this thing wherewe're asking questions about
bullshit.
So, theoretically, if you getrid of the things that are
causing negative emotions andnegative responses, then you'll
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be less negative.
But really this is all.
This whole end Dianetics thingis just starter bullshit for the
bullshit that's going to come.
Okay, so they go from it's ingrams and grams and grams and
grams.
As soon as you get clear, thenyou enter this place called the
non-interference zone and youhave to get on your OT levels
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lickety split, because you nowyou're like a blank slate and
anything that happens in yoursponge.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, that could suck it all.
All suck up all the nonsense.
But though that being said, Iremember.
So I was 12 in 1988 when um ot8was released.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
Just gave away your age.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Like, just like that whatever I'm not, I am who I am
there you go, except me as I amI was 12 and I remember like
knowing people who had attainedot8 and then when I saw them
crying or upset, I was like what?
I thought they were OT.
What's what's up with that?
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, we had people at the international.
We worked at a place called theinternational headquarters in
Gilman hot Springs, california,one, nine, six, two, five.
Highway 79, gilman hot Springs,california, nine, two, five,
eight, three.
If you want to mail them apostcard or something, yeah,
anyway, when we worked there itwas like what a handful of
people maybe 10 or more thatwere very high OT levels, yep
(22:44):
People who were not only at thetop of the OT levels but they
had also worked for L RonHubbard Yep, and some of these
people were just, you know,couldn't pour piss out of a wet
paper bag.
I mean, they were not moversand shakers, if you know what I
mean.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
To be fair, I don't think the C organization brought
out the best in anybody, justThane.
But I understand.
It definitely didn't bring outthe OT levels in these folks
that they'd done so you know,I'd like to see some people do
what they did on two hours ofsleep and you know she's
(23:25):
sticking up for the flat ballbearings over here, guys.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Anyway, regardless of that, it's the same exact thing
.
You were saying that you'd seeone of these people that were
clear or in their ot levels andthey're having a little tantrum
and you're like, if you got ridof all your nonsense, why are
you throwing a temper?
Speaker 2 (23:43):
tantrum correct I mean, it was definitely like and
then add on top of that thetraining routines, the training
you're supposed to be able todeal with any communication
situation, no matter how tough.
And so that, to me, is wherethe non-emotion, non-reaction
element that you see inScientologist comes in.
It's not actually communication, it's this machinery and
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programming that Scientologistsdo hundreds and hundreds of
hours in.
Really, yeah, and it doesn'thelp that Like I don't, nothing
anyway, whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, but but what I was leading to a little earlier
is that first they say it's allabout the engrams.
As soon as you get onto the OTlevels, the operating Thetan
levels, you find out the engrams.
Oh, those were, those were,those were.
No problem, we got rid of thoseeasy peasy.
The next thing we got to getrid of is tens of thousands, if
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not millions, of body thetansthat are attached to every
person.
And then you go like, well, Ithought it was the engrams, well
, no, it turns out that the bodythetans themselves have like
tendencies or negative things,and they are now getting you to
do negative stuff because thealiens I mean to be fair, they
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did get blown up in volcanoes byLord Zeno, according to Hubbard
, so they're already not in agood mood, just to start with.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, and let's not forget, so you've achieved the
state of clear.
If your life is not all daisiesand wonderful now, well that's
because you're in thenon-interference zone and we got
to quick, quick, quick, get youonto the upper levels.
So essentially, really, whatthe non-interference zone is.
It's like the upsell aisle inthe grocery store, like quick,
(25:34):
quick, get more stuff, get more,get more, pay more, pay more,
keep going, keep going.
And if you're at allunsatisfied it's just because
you haven't done the next level.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Yeah, it's, and that's another great thing.
I've I've been meaning to saythis on a stream and I just I
never, I never remember whenwe're actually doing this dream.
But one of the ways I think isa good way to learn in life is
when you have a failure or youmake a mistake, then you can
analyze what did I do wrong,what do I, what should I do
differently, and then you cannavigate or engineer another
approach or path to solve a taskthat won't include what you did
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that made it fail.
Well, scientology has never hada failure.
They've never done anythingwrong.
They've never, they've, they'vehad, they've had plenty.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
They'll just never admit it.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
According to them, they're never the ones that are
wrong and they're not failing.
So, and because Hubbard wroteeverything and nothing can ever
be changed and he never didanything wrong as well then they
never learn and they can neverrepair or fix themselves,
because they've never failed andthey never make mistakes.
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So there's no reason to changewhat they're doing.
Because if you fail and this isthe most amazing part of
Scientology is if you, they sayin Scientology, if you do it
100% correct and you applyScientology 100%, then you will
have success, and if there's 1%failure, that was you, because
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Scientology can't be wrong.
So, for any reason, ifanything's ever wrong, you did
it wrong and you're the problem,and it's never Scientology ever
.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
No, of course not.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Anyway.
Okay, I think we answered thosepretty good.
Here we go.
This is a good one.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Okay, harvey Denton question.
What would happen if someoneturned up at an org claiming to
be the reincarnation of aprominent deceased Scientologist
and could quote, unquote, proveit?
How seriously would they takeit?
Okay, so, first of all, nope, Imean, how would they actually
prove it?
Speaker 1 (27:44):
I mean, if you, I don't know.
See, this is another one.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Are they going to dig a hole and bury their birth
certificate and their clearcertificate and then go retrieve
those things and then walk intothe org with that if that's
never happened?
Number one, so there's neverbeen any proof.
But number two now you tookdown the question so I can't
remember the second half of thequestion could, how seriously
would they take?
oh, yeah, they do not take itseriously at all.
(28:10):
Like, like we already talkedabout earlier, there was a thing
called Last Life Clear andDavid Miscavige canceled it.
So they do not take itseriously at all.
Because guess what, if you'realready OT5, that's a lost
source of income.
So, yeah, no, and chances are,in reality those levels have
changed since you were here 50years ago and now you're.
(28:33):
You know, I mean factor in thetime.
Obviously, a newborn is notgoing to walk into an org,
thankfully, so you're going tobe at least what 17, 18, 19.
So imagine all the revisionsthat have happened since then.
So, hell, no, they're not goingto accept that.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well in the purse.
Harvey's comment says aprominent Scientologist and at
the base I know myself of atleast a handful of people that
none of them came.
None of them thought that theywere a prominent Scientologist.
There were people that thoughtthat they were, and this is
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according to the rumors thatwent around, because I know
we've said this before inScientology rumors for me.
I saw it in Scientology, thepeople that are confessing to
things and admitting things intheir counseling whether they're
Sea Org members or or employeesof Scientology or public
civilian Scientologist, itdoesn't matter who.
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Anybody that admits somethingor says something in their
counseling, that's wild.
It gets spread around.
It's like people magazine forthe for Scientology and Sea Org
members, and there was at leastone or two people that were
thought they were Jesus.
There was a gal, abrahamLincoln that.
There was a gal that used towork for me and she used to
always get really bad headachesand one day she realized that
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she was.
She used to be Abraham Lincolnin a past life.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
But she got headaches , well after like, anyway,
whatever.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
She got headaches well after.
Yeah, Quentin.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Hubbard was another one.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Oh, yeah, quentin, yeah, one of.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Elron Hubbard's sons, who committed suicide.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Somebody thought that they were him.
No, multiple people, well,thought that they were him.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
So yeah, multiple people.
Well, that's true, and thatwould qualify as a prominent
Scientologist one of Hubbard'sfamily, yeah, except well more
like prominent SP, because hehad been outed.
He wasn't part of the foldanymore.
Anyhow, oh my gosh.
Yeah, there's many rabbit holeswe could go down.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But that's a short, a relatively short answer to that
question.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
Perfectly Next.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Okay question Do you think Miscavige believes in
Scientology?
I know others have answeredthis, but I'm interested to hear
what you think.
Yes, I know I've seen varyingdegrees but honestly I say
there's no way he believes inScientology.
He believes in maintaining thepower of belief to control his
minions.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Yeah, he has changed so many things and done so many
things that Hubbard said don'tdo this.
He does those things.
Hubbard said don't dofundraising, they do fundraising
.
He said don't do thesecongresses or events in all
these different like basicallythey just round up everybody in
Scientology and have this event.
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Hubbard said do not do that.
That is the most disruptivething in Scientology is to have
these events, because everybodystops doing their work in
Scientology and they get readyfor this event.
Miscavige any chance he getsfor this event.
Miscavige any chance he gets.
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He tries to find some researchnote or just new discovery, to
undo something that Hubbard saidthey had to do so that he can
change it.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So and also he and if he believed he wouldn't be
rewriting all the training?
All the books, all that, and hewould be doing getting
counseling himself, which he'snot.
He would be doing the thingsthat Hubbard outlined to do
instead of re-mapping the entirelandscape of Scientology.
(32:07):
Really, that's what he's done,anyway, whatever, that's my
answer.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Okay, good Is that your final answer.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
That is my final answer.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Anita gave us a super sticker.
Thank you for that.
Okay, good, is that your finalanswer?
Speaker 2 (32:16):
That is my final answer.
Anita gave us a super sticker.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Thank you for that, anita.
Thank you, anita.
That's very generous.
Okay, we had another one here Ireally wanted to read because
it was great.
And also Harvey talk aboutHarvey's getting a lot of good
questions, and here's a good one.
This is the one.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Okay, therese Arvin, since the cult is shrinking,
what keeps Sea Org members busyfor all the working?
I watched your video, but I'mconfused.
Yeah, that's a good question, Imean whatever.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
To be fair, they're doing busy work.
To start with, most Sea Orgmembers are pushing paper and
cleaning hotel rooms.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Or writing letters or tracking down people that
haven't been in Scientology for30 years and yeah you got to dig
.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
Hubbard codified and developed Scientology in the 50s
and 60s and he stole a lot oftheir operational techniques and
administrative functions fromthe military.
So they have like three basketin, out and pending
communication systems andthey're doing everything hard
copy on paper and they'rewriting reports all day on other
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Sea Org members and rattingeach other out and reporting on
this and reporting.
So Sea Org members do a lot ofbusy work.
When there are people cominginto Scientology and when
they're not, people that arecoming into the organizations
and getting counseling ortraining on Scientology courses.
There's endless amounts of busywork for them to get up to and
(33:46):
they're only making.
See, this is the key thing.
This is a genius in the wayHubbard set it up.
Sea Org members are making $45 aweek for a hundred, plus work
hour week.
So they're not spending moneyon labor.
The biggest expense is thethree hots at a cot and the
(34:09):
expensive buildings and theupkeep, and so they're basically
just treading water for themost part.
And there's the people that arein Scientology.
They're giving them $10 millionor they're giving them $2
million for some giant bowlingtrophy at the IAS event, the
International Association ofScientology event, at the end of
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the year.
Those.
That's how Scientology issurviving.
If all of the Scientologywhales dried up and said we're
not giving any more money, Ithink when we left Scientology
in 2005, they had over a billiondollars worth of money that
they had received.
Scientology had taken in abillion dollars for counseling
(34:54):
and training that they had notyet delivered to their publics.
If they just if somebody saidwe're not going to take in any
more money until Scientologydelivers everything that it's
owed, it would take themhundreds of years to deliver the
things that they've alreadycharged people for.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Which, of course, motivated what For them to
change their contracts to makesure nobody could ever get their
money back.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, but then also a lot of people get declared a
suppressive person.
They don't get their money back.
Nope, they also changed itwhere if you had given money for
X and they didn't deliver you X, then they could give you books
or materials or give yousomething else that they did
have that they could easily justexchange with you and then
(35:42):
clear their debt.
But I wouldn't doubt that thenumber of undelivered services
is still in the billion or more.
They didn't deliver all thatstuff and they didn't give out
that many books and CDs.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
Or David Miscavige just canceled that statistic
altogether.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Well, I think that is a.
I think that's another one ofthose statistics that Hubbard
said.
This is your statistic.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
He's canceled other things.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Hubbard said we got a Debbie Baker, one of our
commenters there.
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Debbie, appreciate it .
Speaker 1 (36:12):
Very, very generous of of you.
Okay, um, let's see if we'vegot any more um comments, or
should we do a giveaway?
Should we do like a midwaygiveaway?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
yeah, let's do a midway giveaway let's see friday
night.
It's been a long week fridaynight.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Okay, let me see if I can um do the screen here, the
giveaway tool, and we'll shareit.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
And just as a reminder, the giveaway item for
today is the Zinu and the Bodyof.
Thayton's desk mat.
That mat right there.
Yes.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
That's the one we're doing.
Oops, okay, here we go, we'regoing.
Oh, we're going to do the draw.
Oh, there's 64 people havecommented.
So that's it what we're doing,and we're going to hit the draw
button.
Here we go.
Commented.
So that's what we're doing, andwe're going to hit the draw
button.
Here we go, and it's going.
One of those people, one ofthese people, is going to be a
lucky winner of a Zinu and thebody Thetans desk mat and
(37:06):
congratulations witness.
Awesome, I don't think she'swon before.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Nice Congratulations, witness, good to see you here.
Shoot me an email.
All I need is your email and Iwill send you the giveaway link
for this item.
Congratulations.
There you go, xenu, in the bodythings I'll say, alex said, oh
my God, there's a BT desk mat,yeah of course, Alex.
What else would you expect?
Speaker 1 (37:28):
So we're giving away today Xenu in the body things.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Beard for good over here.
What else would you expect?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
in the body, bearded beard for good over here.
What else would you expect?
Come on now.
Absolutely okay, back to thereal world over here.
I don't know why that camera?
Well, it's just a.
It's just a tiny little cameraI didn't end up using for a job
and I stuck it up there.
Um, okay, let's see.
What else do we have any othergood do shippy shippy shoe?
We had other questions, mark wedid, but, um, I'm I'm running,
I'm running out of them.
Okay, here we go.
This is a good one.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Okay, bears Mom question.
Mark, you went from callingClaire sir to doctor.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
No, I've never called her doctor, but I did actually.
I don't even know.
I may have had to call her sironce or twice, but most of the
time if I was referring to her Ihad to actually call her Mr
Headley.
So if I was Uber weird, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
So if she came down to the area and she said
something to so-and-so andbecause she was from Religious
Technology Center and I was inGolden Era Productions, so for
context for anyone listeningthat doesn't know that backstory
I was senior to Mark bymultiple echelons at that point.
So for a period of eight yearsI was in Religious Technology
Center and Mark was in GoldenEra Productions.
So during those years, per LRon Hubbard, he was required to
call me sir if he was directlyaddressing me, or Mr Headley if
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he was talking about directlyaddressing me, or Mr Hedley if
he was talking about.
Speaker 1 (38:58):
So somebody came in.
If she came in and sent a bunchof stuff to some people and
then left, and then one of myexecutives came in and said what
happened, I'd say Mr Hedley wasjust here and then she talked
to this person and this personsaid they need to do blah, blah,
blah, based on something thatDavid Miscavige said to do, but
I would have to refer to her asMr Headley, or actually I could
call you, depending on what yourjob.
I could say.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Durr Internal was here and she said this I could
say it Internal Exact, I wasn'tDurr.
Internal, whatever Internal.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
Exact.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
Yeah, the weirdest thing was the times that I would
go to study.
So any CEREC member at Hubbardis required to attend study for
two and a half hours a day, fivedays a week.
For, like, the minimum amountof study for a member of the Sea
Organization is 12 and a halfhours of studying Scientology
(39:46):
per week, Like it has to be inthe schedule.
So at the beginning of everytwo and a half hour period of
study everyone sits down,there's supervisors and the
supervisor does a roll call andso for the lower orgs they would
just say your name and youwould say I, I, I.
But for the people in RTC orreligious technology center or
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management they would say MrBlah, mr Blah, mr Blah.
We were just like oh my God.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
That was good too.
Yeah, I like this, Joseph BrianStanley.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
Okay, let's see.
Oddly, the first thingMiscavige did after LRH died was
hold a huge event, Exactlycompletely.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Literally the week he died they did an event and
everybody had to come and findout.
But yes, there is.
This is a big deal at theinternational headquarters
because you you can only seethis thing that L Ron Hubbard
wrote If you're at the very topof Scientology, which is there
is a lot of, a lot of thingslike that that happen at the
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international headquarters.
You are privy to L Ron Hubbardwritings and L Ron Hubbard
directives that you can't get atany other level in Scientology.
So you get an extra perspectiveon things where you can see the
thing that Hubbard wrote sayingdo not do these events and
they're forbidden.
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And then you know that there'sseven events every year since
Miscavige took over.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
And you basically like.
Well, why are we doing this, ifhe said not to do this?
And there's no answer to thatquestion, so yes, another
comment from Lapita.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
Tori.
Tori said she met manyCleopatras, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
There was a yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
I think I met a Julius Caesar at one time.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I mean you know as I'm telling
you guys why be mundane when youcan be outstanding?
I guess I don't know Like makeit entertaining, at least get
some creativity in the room.
Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah, oh, here's, one .
Speaker 2 (41:56):
John question what do you think about Joy Vila
leaving Scientology?
Yes, good for her, great to herfor speaking out and yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It's great.
I mean, the thing is about Joyis?
There's a lot of celebrities, Iguess, in that kind of people
that are known in the outsideworld, that are in Scientology,
and a lot of those people haveleft recently.
What's that skateboarder guy,tony?
No, not Tony the other guy,what's the guy?
(42:28):
Jason Lee, laura Prepon?
There's people that have left.
They just don't tell anybodyand they never make it public.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So when somebody leaves and then they tell
everybody, that those peoplehave my respect way more than
the people that just crawl awayand don't say anything.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Yeah that's.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
that's where Leah Remini will always have my
respect.
She didn't.
She could have just walked away.
Could have just walked away.
Luckily she got her entirefamily out, but she didn't Hell
no.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Yeah, okay, here we go.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Okay, here's another one.
Kb love it.
I think that's when Davey comesup with things like the golden
age of tech.
So everyone has to do coursesover.
Yes, that's absolutely correct.
Golden age of tech, golden ageof knowledge, golden age of
admin, golden age of do it allover again.
Yeah it's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
Yeah, it's a lot of nonsense.
Yeah, oh, debbie says I neverget notifications anymore.
Unsubscribe and thenresubscribe and then click the
bell notification item icon.
Usually that fixes it.
Sometimes I don't know.
Youtube is there's, you know,there's billions of hours of
video and people using YouTube,so sometimes things slip through
the cracks.
Speaker 2 (43:44):
Oh yeah, apostate Alex is in the chat.
He said golden age of tech,phase two, don't forget.
Yeah exactly Phase two, phasethree, phase 500, you know.
Speaker 1 (43:54):
So much nonsense.
And Beccacca says this issunday afternoon already.
No, we're doing it earlybecause we're going to be gone
on sunday.
We're throwing, we're throwinga bone out there because, um, we
didn't do it, um, here we go.
Speaker 2 (44:07):
Okay, that wasn't it, sorry, okay oh, hey, mark also,
so he can make people redoauditing levels they already did
.
Yes, that's in reference topeople having to do things over
and over again in Scientology.
Yes, dave question.
I know Edgar Winter was inScientology.
Was his brother, johnny Winter,in as well?
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I don't actually think so.
I know that Edgar Winter cameto the international base on a
few different occasions to dorecordings he recorded at.
Edgar Winter actually recordedan album called Space Jazz.
Speaker 2 (44:43):
Oh boy.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
And was it Space Jazz ?
No, Mission Earth.
There is an album called SpaceJazz, but Edgar Winter recorded
this one called Mission Earth.
I think Space Jazz was alsokind of Mission Earth or
Battlefield Earth, kind ofadjacent.
But Edgar Winter recorded analbum, a bunch of songs from an
album called Mission Earth, andit went along with this whole
(45:07):
series of books, science fictionBasically.
I mean, we've talked about thisbefore, but anybody who hasn't
read Mission Earth there's 10volumes, I think- I don't
recommend it.
It's basically space porn.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It is.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
It's major hardcore triple X space porn.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
It's worse than that, actually.
I understand Some of it isworse than that.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
If they could never make a movie and be true to the
books, that wouldn't be triple X.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (45:38):
That is the fact of it.
Speaker 2 (45:39):
With like a mix of what's it called those dark, you
know the.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Hold on a second, let's go, let's zoom in a Claire
, it was like, it's like tripleX meets snuff movies.
What.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Yeah, no, it absolutely is.
It would basically be I wasallowed to read it when I was 13
and I remember my hair beinglike wait, what?
Yeah, I remember as a kid beingencouraged to read mission
earth I was adults were allreading it in scientology and it
was like you I read battlefieldearth when I was 13, when I was
doing the purification rundown.
(46:14):
Not recommended, by the way, asa 13-year-old, to spend five
hours, sometimes 10 hours, a dayin the sauna.
Not a good idea.
Speaker 1 (46:22):
Also, and you were reading it in the sauna.
Yeah, she was reading spaceporn in the sauna, guys.
Speaker 2 (46:27):
No, no, this was Battlefield.
Speaker 1 (46:28):
Earth.
Oh, that's not Mission Earthwas the one that was.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
That's what I was talking about.
Battlefield Earth was just, youknow, like so, so sci-fi,
(46:51):
nothing compared to RobertHeinlein and you know all the
peers, the amazing sci-fiauthors from that era where
Hubbard was trying to emulatethose people, and yeah, whatever
, we're off on a tangent, solet's go back to it.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
yeah, it's uh definitely mission earth space
porn.
I they don't talk about that inscientology, they never talk
about that aspect.
Nor do they talk about, by theway, that, while Hubbard did not
write, the upper OT levels hedid write 10 volumes of space
(47:20):
porn meets snuff movies anothergreat example of how there's
definitely not any OT levels,because Hubbard took a break
from writing OT levels to write10 volumes of space porn.
Okay, so there's no over upperOT levels.
And also, he died right afterthat.
(47:41):
He literally wrote that andthen died.
So, anyway, he, he, he.
I'm not gonna.
We can't keep talking about itbecause my, uh, my dialogue will
devolve very quickly.
Um, okay, what else do we gothere?
Um, here's a good okay.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
Jessica question has the decay of Scientology moved
slower or faster than you haveexpected?
Very definitely faster, I meanwe you know Mark has been had
started posting on the internetin 2006.
That's, we got out in 2005.
So we literally now have beenexposing and talking about
(48:23):
Scientology abuses for 20 yearsand I will absolutely say that
HBO's documentary Going Clear,leah Remini's Scientology in the
Aftermath exponentiallyincreased the decline of
Scientology.
I mean, we had done multipledocumentaries, participated in
(48:44):
many different things prior tothat.
We live in a small town inColorado.
The impact that it had was veryobvious to Mark and I because
we'd have people coming up to uswho had known us for 10 years
in our small town and, of course, we have businesses, we work,
we interact with people.
It's not that we don't talkabout it, but we don't make it
(49:08):
our leading line like oh hi, I'mClaire, nice to meet you.
I was born in a cult and spentthe first 30 years of my life
and escaped and yeah, hey, letme help you.
That's not how we would lead,anyway, and the point being that
we saw an exponential increasein the amount of people
generally publicly aware of theabusive and dangerous nature of
(49:30):
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (49:32):
Yes, oh, here's another.
Oh, it's a fall.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Oh, Joseph Brian Stanley Mission Earth artwork
was very erotic as well.
I was around 10 when it cameout.
They had cosplay charactersrunning around Big Blue at the
time, oh my.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
God, that's right they had.
There's a guy.
Yeah, because there was this.
There's a guy.
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yeah, cause there was a Jethro Heller and I think his
sister's name was Heidi in thebook.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
The artist.
There's an artist who did allof these paintings for mission
earth and his name was FrankFrazetta, and Frank Frazetta,
basically for every.
I think he might've done theall of the covers of those books
, like all of the book covers.
And then they had all thisartwork that they were selling,
which I will tell you a littlesecret.
(50:16):
We'll give you a little hint ofa secret about that whole thing
, but either way, he had thesewomen were very scantily clad in
all of, and I remember Scantilyclad in all of, and I remember
Scantily clad.
Speaker 2 (50:29):
I remember when Wait what.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
They would sell these paintings.
They were like $10,000 for apainting and they were signed
and they were special printingsand all this other stuff and
there was a whole bunch of TNAflapping around in these
pictures and they would be up inthe organizations and you'd be
like going.
I was a little kid.
I was like I want to say what88 is when?
(50:54):
A lot of that stuff, when did alot of that stuff come out?
In the mid 80s, right right, itwas like late 80s, mid 80s,
somebody google, google, foo,when mission earth came out
earlier well, yeah, but yeah,but Mission Earth was the
spaceport.
Speaker 2 (51:08):
Yeah, I think it came out I don't know roughly 86 to
88.
I'm not sure.
Speaker 1 (51:13):
Either way, when these things came out, they had
titties and all the orgs inthese pictures.
That's how it went.
It was a lot.
It was a lot if you were ayoung man going into the
organization.
Speaker 2 (51:26):
A young boy, you're like wait what?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
You're like so what are we doing here?
What's going on?
Yes, Joseph, the Mission Earthartwork.
I totally forgot about all that.
Speaker 2 (51:37):
Yeah, I did too.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
Look, it's Casey.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Casey, I love to you both.
Speaker 1 (51:42):
Thanks, Casey.
It's very generous of you.
Speaker 2 (51:45):
Never ceases to make me laugh.
Speaker 1 (51:49):
Anyway, what else do we got Wait, I don't see any
other questions in there Ifwe've gotten, some I didn't see.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
Let me look.
Speaker 1 (51:55):
Hold on, You've been yapping and I've been yapping
and no one's been starringanything.
I'm just going to throw up afew little here and I'll read
them while you look.
Hello to the other Aftermathgang, If you're listening
Christy, Leah, Amy, Matt and therest.
We miss you.
Yes, absolutely, We'll let themknow.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
We will, indeed, and Amy, when we did the foundation
live a few weeks ago talkingabout all the different programs
that the Michael J RinderAftermath Foundation has been
working on, amy and Matt joinedus for that and Amy said she
might consider coming back for,uh, our gosh, what was it called
?
Uh, weekly wednesday updatesthat we always did that we had
(52:35):
so much fun doing and talkingabout all things, oh, all things
scientology.
Gosh, how can I forget that wedid like 27 episodes of that for
yeah, that would be fun yes,anyway so, but yes, we will pass
that along.
Thank you for that, love it.
After a few years, didn't yourun out of stuff to study?
You would think so, but no,because there was always new
(52:57):
things, or you know, just likewe were talking about with the
golden age of tech and goldenage of admin and golden age of
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah.
Same was true.
And actually, as a Sea Orgmember, you always had to have
what was called a TIP, aTechnical Individual Program,
which dictated the courses andthe counseling that you were
(53:18):
required to do.
So if you ever ran out, thenthey would give you more to do.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Nice, I think it was Women on Wednesday women on
Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
There you go, something like that.
But either way, I, we, we had alot of fun doing that and
obviously life got in the way,but hopefully we can get back to
that Cause I would love that.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yep, and yeah, that's about it.
So why don't you do thegiveaway?
I'll look for any last umquestions oh, wait um, okay love
maddie question how successfuldo you think the scientology
podcast with carrie casem willbe destined for failure?
Speaker 1 (53:58):
yeah, they're not allowed to talk about anything
real with anybody.
Real, no, everything's.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
They're not allowed to respond to any real questions
like is Scientology a cult?
They can't answer that question.
So you know and that's usuallythe first question that anyone I
was thinking about that.
You know, they Scientology putup this whole fight about the
curious billboards and um,alleging that it was their trade
(54:25):
dress, and I, I thought tomyself, gosh, how really stupid
are they.
Because in this day and age, ifyou're curious about something,
what do you do?
You Google it on the internet,at least as a starting point.
Yeah, yeah, bad news,scientology.
Have you Googled yourselflately?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (54:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
Somebody said Emlyn Smith justfound an audio drama of invaders
planet.
Am I listening to this thing orlater, or not?
I don't think that the audioversions will have the space
porn in them.
I think they're.
The audio versions are cut downof what the book is.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Really it's a bridged .
Speaker 1 (55:08):
Yeah, 100%.
Yeah, I mean each volume waslike they were giant, easily two
, two inches thick.
They were like the other thing.
I just saw somebody said it andsaid uh, joseph, brian Stanley,
88, the same time.
So mission earth came out in1988.
I knew it was in the late 80s.
Yeah, so it came out the sametime.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
But it wasn't all released all at once.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
I understand.
Okay, but it came out, startedcoming out in 88.
It was the same time as OT8.
So they released the lastoperating Phaeton level, number
eight, that Hubbard ever wrote.
He didn't write any other afterthat ever wrote.
He didn't write any other afterthat.
So if any, if you see any ot9sor 10 coming out of scientology,
(55:52):
that's some more made upnonsense which, to be fair, l
run.
Hubbard made it up in the firstplace.
So making up some new stuff'snot that really a stretch.
But either way that he came outwith ot8, which I'm gonna say
ot8.
How many pages is ot8?
Speaker 2 (56:07):
like I don't actually know, but it's not that long
let's say it's 20 or 30 pagesyeah, it's not long at all.
Let's say it's 50 pages forcomparison, and so you
understand what we're talkingabout.
Ot7 takes anywhere from youknow, easily two to ten years.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Uh, ot8 took generally a week yeah, just for
Just for to the operating Thetanlevel eight.
Yeah, it takes a week, it's aweek.
You go that to free wins and aweek or two later you're done.
Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (56:38):
Now you.
I think you would be hardpressed to read mission earth If
you read it all day and allnight.
I think you'd be hard pressedto get through it in a week if
you just read all day and allnight.
Yeah, it would take you.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
I mean, if you're a speed reader, mad genius.
I mean, anyway, I'm not a slowreader, I'm not a super fast
reader, but you know me, I readbooks all the time, at least
once a week or one or two weeks.
Speaker 1 (57:03):
Yeah, if it's.
Speaker 2 (57:04):
If it's exceptionally good, then it will be read in
two days.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (57:08):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Scientology peeling.
The onion Mark said 1985, bythe way.
But yeah, it's fine Either way,it was all right around in the
same like period.
Yeah, the audio versions.
Speaker 1 (57:20):
the cassette versions may have come out in the later
80s or either way, butregardless, Hubbard did write 10
volumes, hundreds and thousandsof pages of space porn and no
OT levels.
Speaker 2 (57:35):
So evidently he wasn't doing the greatest good
for the greatest number ofdynamics.
Speaker 1 (57:41):
The guy had priorities.
Okay, he had priorities, andone thing was that it is all
crap.
Speaker 2 (57:48):
Exactly, that's.
That's exactly right.
Jess Wilco said my mother wason OT seven for 18 years.
Speaker 1 (57:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:56):
There you go.
Gary Jackson Moorhead hey, youtwo fabulous people.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Hey Gary, hey Jackson , okay, let's see.
Yeah, there you go.
Ddk, it's all crap yeah.
Speaker 2 (58:05):
Yep, it is.
Speaker 1 (58:06):
It's it.
So for anybody who's like, howcan you talk about this If you
didn't do that level?
Um, I didn't.
The fact that I didn't pay todo the OT levels and I was able
to read them online and just ripthrough them and not have
anybody tell me I was doing itwrong or doing it right Um, I
was able to ascertain thatthey're a bunch of nonsense.
(58:28):
And also, you learn about howto get rid of space cooties.
That's what you learn on the OTlevels.
Okay, and then you on OT7, thiswoman who says that her mom was
on OT7 for 18 years.
Ot seven is where you're.
You're basically like your ownpersonal immigration office and
(58:52):
you're evicting illegal aliensfrom your body all day.
That's what you're doing.
You're evicting body Thetansthat are living in you and and
and negatively affecting yourlife.
And you, you're supposed to dothis every single day and
sometimes multiple times a day.
Right, you're supposed to do it.
(59:13):
You're supposed to go onsession if you can, even once or
twice a day.
Not just once a day, butmultiple times, cause these
space cooties they get to movingaround.
If you don't keep kicking themout, they might find another
good hiding place.
So you got to keep them on theball.
Speaker 2 (59:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah, we're members of the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
Here we go.
Okay, japan of Green Gables.
Hey, hey, hey, question.
We're members of the Sea Orgwith front-facing posts required
to read LRH fiction, in caseany public asked about it.
Speaker 1 (59:45):
Not really.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
No, I mean, we were all required to read I Pedrito
when that came out, but not forthe purpose of answering
questions, though.
Were you supposed to read, likethe Hubbard, basic books to be
able to answer any questionsabout Scientology?
Absolutely, but the fiction Imean possibly at Bridge
Publications and Author Services.
(01:00:07):
Maybe I didn't hear about thatbeing a requirement.
No, anyhow, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Yeah, the people that were required to read it were
the people that worked at BridgePublications, who made the book
, just because they're sellingit and they're talking about it,
and then the people that workedat this place called Author
Services or ASI, and they're theones that get the books
translated and produced and dobook fairs and all this, you
know nonsense.
Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
It just made me laugh about like the whole hard sell,
like what are they going to do?
Hard sell you on.
You just did a better hard selljob on Mission Earth.
There's already people lookingit up like wow, spaceborne.
I'm going to go read this.
Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I wish, I wish I had a referral
link, but we ain't on the bestof terms with those folks, so I
don't think I'm getting one.
But, um, somebody messaged methe other day saying that we get
this all the time.
I we get one of these emailslike probably every six months,
like hey, I went to go buy yourbook on Amazon.
It was $650.
Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Oh my gosh.
Yeah, I know so.
So backstory we do not sell onAmazon, we have, we have a hand.
Oh sorry, you always correct meon this.
We sell Kindle and audible onAmazon.
For the actual physical books,we sell those on.
Okay, that's enough, enough,move along.
(01:01:30):
Please Come on now, geez.
For the actual physical books,there's a very limited amount of
copies left of paperback andhardback and we sell those
directly on our merch store oron our website, belongforgoodcom
.
That's where you can buy themat a very reasonable rate of
$19.95 for a paperback versionand $24.95 for a hardback, plus,
(01:01:54):
of course, the cost of shipping.
So there you have it.
That's my answer.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Okay, we can be good now.
Okay, do we need to do a secondgiveaway?
Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Yep, we'll do one last giveaway and then we'll let
everyone go be free.
Bts for friday free bts.
Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Okay, we're gonna draw again.
See up here in the corner itsays draw again.
I'm gonna hit that button andthen we're off.
Here we go, here we go, and onelucky winner is gonna win a
xenu in the body, thetan's deskmat.
Congratulations, mark.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
You don't even have to do anything, I'll send you a
giveaway link, mark.
Congratulations, there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Look at that.
You know, see, it's definitelynot rigged we.
I know stream yards giveawaytool man.
It's great, Look at that.
Good job, Mark.
Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Um go.
Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Okay, I think we did good here we're going to.
It's the summer, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
We got kids, we got jobs, we got summer and we do
have something special happening, not this Sunday, but next
Sunday, so June 8th.
So if you didn't get anotification bell today, then do
what Mark suggested unsubscribe, resubscribe, hit that
notification bell.
We will be doing a specialthing.
Mark doesn't even know what I'mtalking about, so it's okay.
(01:03:14):
Just you know he does what Itell him, even if it appears
otherwise on camera.
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Yeah, I'm finding out for the first time, guys.
Okay, thanks, guys, we will do,but we will be in and out
throughout the summer.
We're going to try and do asmany as we can, but I'm going to
be in.
I think I counted it up.
I'm going to be in nine states,different states, doing work
this summer.
Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
And then we just have a lot going on in our, in our,
just our regular everyday lives.
At least most of the time.
Those are not long trips, soyou will be back for most of the
weekends and I have a reallygood idea to pitch to you for
for my filler, filler.
You know days that I need tofill for you.
I had, I had a really good idea.
I just have to make sure youknow you approve my complete.
Speaker 1 (01:04:05):
Oh, look at this guy, You're hearing it right here.
Um awesome guys do whatever Iwant.
So yeah, I don't.
It's like, if she wants to do,uh, you, we do have a bunch of
people that you were going to.
Um, we do have a whole bunch ofnew interviews that we're doing
on the channel with someamazing people.
Speaker 2 (01:04:22):
So I'm looking forward to that and, yes, I I
thoroughly enjoy when I I justhonestly have been really
buckling down to finish my book,which is finally making some
really good progress.
End of June is when I will bedone with my first draft and I'm
aiming for later this year forrelease.
So, yay, Nice.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Awesome guys.
Well, thank you very much forjoining us today, and I think we
did all the giveaways, we didall the stuff, yep.
Much for, uh, joining us todayand, um, I think we did all the
giveaways, we did all the stuff,yep, um thanks to everyone
joining us.
Hope you have an amazingweekend yeah yeah until next
time, guys, I gotta do my endthing so I can match my uh, my
guide, my out guy sure till nexttime, guys.
Thanks for watching.
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