What happens when the Church of Scientology faces a growing wave of opposition right in its own backyard? Join us for a captivating episode of Scientology Stories as we sit down with Apostate Alex from the UK to unravel the recent protests in East Grinstead. With firsthand insights, Alex recounts the spirited presence of protesters challenging the Church's dwindling influence during the International Association of Scientologists event. From the buzz on the ground to the online support, we explore the shifting dynamics of Scientology's reach in Europe and the organizational nuances of these protests compared to past years.
The episode takes a closer look at the seemingly untouchable Church's struggle with event planning compliance. Despite its history of non-adherence, recent efforts have led to a planning contravention notice being issued against the Church, demanding accountability. We dissect the strategic moves employed by Scientology to bypass regulations, often with the aid of celebrity figures like Tom Cruise. With detailed anecdotes, we uncover the ongoing tug-of-war between local councils and Scientology, revealing the persistence needed for governance to keep the Church in check.
But it doesn't stop there. Discover the peculiar saga of the Captain Davy doll, which sent unexpected shockwaves through the Scientology community. We highlight the humor and irony behind the controversy, contrasting it with the organization's usual intimidation tactics. As we consider the playful yet poignant ways to maintain the dialogue, the episode balances serious discourse with light-hearted moments, making it a compelling listen for anyone invested in understanding the Church's public interactions and the creative resistance against them.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Stories.
Today's episode is live.
So if you're listening on thepodcast or you're watching on
YouTube or X or wherever you'retuning in, we are doing this
live.
So if you're listening on thepodcast or you're watching on
YouTube or X or wherever you'retuning in, we are doing this
live.
It is about five o'clock on aTuesday here in Colorado.
(00:33):
Let's bring on our guest today,my lovely wife Claire, as my
co-host.
And then we have joining us allthe way from the United Kingdom.
Have apostate alex, hey guyshow's it?
Going.
It's going great.
You had a very uh.
You had a very busy weekend outthere.
(00:54):
Actually, you've had a very uhpast few months out there in
east grest, east grinstead yeah,I it's.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
it's been exhausting, so it's actually been quite
nice to have two days off fromYouTube and try not to think
about all the Scientology stuffTotally.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We're going to do a giveaway at the end of this
video and Alex is actually justgoing to say when on the drawing
little machine and he's goingto pick the winners today at the
end of the video.
So if you guys want to tune in,stick around for that.
But also, if you go into thecomments and you put hashtag BFG
, you will automatically beentered to win today's giveaway.
(01:37):
So if you want to do that, youonly have to do it once, and
once you do it, it's out of theway.
And actually I could put up alittle there you go we usually
like people to tell us wherethey're watching from and then
also put hashtag BFG in there toenter today's giveaways.
(01:57):
And then, yeah, other than that, I'll let you sort of run this
thing, claire, and yeah, let's,let's get going and find out
what Alex has been up to.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Sure and Alex PTS for life is in the chat and he asks
have you caught up on sleep yet?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I have and he knows because he was here and he saw
it firsthand last year,obviously, and he stayed with me
for the protest last year, sohe, uh, he knows how little
sleep I get in the the lead upto the ies protest.
So, yeah, I actually this yearbecause I didn't want to
overwork myself and I knew thatit can be quite overwhelming, I
don't want to be burnt out Ischeduled two days, yesterday
(02:39):
and today, to just like not doanything and just recover, um.
So yeah, I'm, I'm definitely,I'm almost there, not completely
back to normal, but almost nice, yeah, amazing work.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So, yes, how about you run us through?
The events leading up to it andthen a recap of the days of
protest.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was able to watch a bunch on youtube, but you know
I'd love to hear it from youdirectly yeah, and and it's a
lot as well I think I was livestreaming for three or four
hours, three days in a row, so Idon't expect anybody to have
watched the whole thing and, tomy surprise, there were a
handful of people who were thereevery time I checked into the
live chat across all three days.
(03:18):
So, firstly, thank you to thoseof you who watched it and were
there supporting I think.
For me it just felt so amazing.
We had 18 protesters on thefriday.
We had less on the saturday andthe sunday, but even though it
was a small group, we knew thatwe had the support of thousands
around the world and you know, Ithink it's it's up to like 14
000 views or something now overthe weekend and I don't care so
(03:40):
much about views and stuff on mychannel, but you know it's a
protesting.
I count those people as peoplestanding there with us
protesting.
So that means we have for everymaybe four Scientologists at
the IES event or sorry, forevery one Scientologist we had
four protesters about that.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
How many people does that tent that they erected?
How many does?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
that hold.
So they claim 6,000.
But I did some maths last yearbecause I worked out how big the
tent was, with some dronefootage and aerial shots, and I
worked out what the legal healthand safety capacity of the tent
is and I estimate it to beabout 3,000, 3,200 or something
if you completely pack it outand there's no way it is
(04:26):
completely full.
I've seen pictures from insideand there are a lot of empty
chairs and just being there onthe ground seeing the cars and
coaches arriving on the property.
It was way smaller than lastyear.
Like we noticed over 20 coacheslast year because they use a car
park at the rugby club opposite, and last year there were about
(04:46):
20 coaches.
This year there were eightcoaches, and that's for all of
the orgs across Europe.
So it was way smaller.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's amazing.
Yeah, when we used to do theevents when I worked at Golden
Air Productions, I did severalevents at that.
The same event that youprotested was the event that we
were producing once a year andthey used to have it in what's
called the Great Hall there.
And I want to say that doesn'teven fit If it's more than a
(05:17):
thousand.
It's like you literally wouldhave to cram people into it.
And so because I want to say Idon't think it's 400.
Maybe it is, it could be, but wewould fill that and then we'd
have overflow in the tent.
Many people that they thenwanted to have the event in the
(05:46):
tent and have the overflow inthe great hall and then that way
they could do their big stagesand all that because those big
stages wouldn't fit into thegreat hall and it's a sort of a
silly thing.
They could have just had it inthe great hall and then that's
it, and then there could be avideo screen outside for any,
for all the screaming kids andand people that don't want to be
there anyway, which the a largemajority of the children that
(06:07):
go to these events.
They do not want to sit therefor three hours and listen to
david miscavige drone on.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, I just on the kit.
So, firstly, I think it's notlong until they're going to have
to go back to the great hallbecause scientology is drinking
a rate of knots, and it reallywouldn't surprise me if, in a
couple of years time, if they dohave to resort to that, because
it's almost embarrassing tohold the is event in a tent of
that size and have it halffilled.
So we may see that.
(06:34):
But just regarding the children, this year I actually uncovered
um, a promotional flyer thatwas sent to scientologists a
couple of weeks beforehand, andthey had arranged with
Greenfield School, which is theDelphi of the UK, as Claire
obviously knows because you wentthere they had childcare at
Greenfield, so any parents goingto the IES event could drop
(06:56):
their kids off at Greenfieldsand then go pick them up
afterwards, which is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's like a 45-minute drive.
No.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't think it's that long, but it's a good 20
minutes, half an hour, I reckon,from memory anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, factor in I never had a car.
I was always riding on the bus,so that might be distorting my
memory.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
When you're a kid that's a lot longer of a drive.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, but still that's a long way away.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, and also considering they.
As we discussed last time, wespoke claire about their
safeguarding concerns that wereraised by the government at
greenfields, and alsogreenfields were providing
accommodation for adults stayingfor the ies event.
So we have the situation wherecomplete strangers, adults who
have no background checks oranything anyone from europe
could pay for a room to stay atGreenfields.
At the same time, they'relooking after kids whose parents
(07:48):
are not there because they'reat the IS event.
It was a recipe for disaster100%.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh, I don't even think about that in
Scientology, Like that's likeeven that you're saying that
that is not even a question thatwould come up internally, that
we should double check this.
You say that like they had justpublic, like civilian
Scientologists staying at thisschool and the port captain, the
(08:21):
person in charge of the publicrelations for the international
headquarters of Scientology hearranged for the firefighters,
which just happened to beprisoners of California prisons.
He arranged for them to stay atthe same place where the
children of the people thatworked at the headquarters
stayed at.
That's what he arranged.
Like he offered that up as apossible alternative so that
(08:44):
they wouldn't be staying on themountain that david miscavige
stayed on.
That was not acceptable, but hecould stay where the kids were.
That's not a problem.
He can do that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They can do that so, yeah, outrageous, isn't it?
It's just it.
It's truly remarkable how they,they just don't think about
these things, because they justthey think that they are above
the law and they have thesolution to everything, and
their ethics system and so on isbetter than any.
You know, I don't want to usethe w word, but any you know
non-scientology formula, andit's just that I think this this
(09:17):
was the thing that I did a lotthis year with the protest,
planning and stuff was reallygiving scientology the
opportunity to let themselvesmake mistakes, and we were
talking about the marquee, thetent.
One of the things that I didbeforehand was look up the
planning regulations, becauseyou can't just build a building,
a structure, without permission, and in the UK there's you're
(09:39):
allowed a temporary structurefor 28 days, as long as it's
less than 100 square meters.
So you know, you can put atemporary marquee in your garden
, for example, um, but thisthing is, like, you know, 4 000
square meters and it's meant tohold 3 000 people.
So I've reported it to thecouncil and I said, look, this
is, this is clearly bigger than100 square meters and it's up
(10:00):
for 28 days.
And they initially said, ohyeah, we know, however it, it's
always temporary.
It does get taken down afterthe event.
So we're not going to doanything.
And I said, yeah, but it's upfor a good two months, which is
double the period and it's waybigger.
So I kept pushing and itresulted in Scientology getting
a planning contravention notice,which is kind of a warning.
(10:23):
It's saying you've broken therules.
You have 21 days to tell us why, or get rid of it, or will
there'll be further action.
So of course they'll take thetent down, but it puts them on
notice, I think.
But what's even funnier is whenthe daily mail covered the
whole protest situation, umkaren powell, the spokesperson
over in la, made a statementthat said we grow to go to great
(10:47):
lengths to ensure that wecooperate with the council.
We don't break any regulations.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They've only started doing that since you put them on
the radar, I bet you for yearsthey haven't even gotten a plan
or a approval or because they'regoing to do the same thing, no
matter what they're going to say.
Hey, if they notice it, thensomeone's going to say you guys,
put this up, you got to take itdown or pay a fine.
(11:13):
And then by the time theyanswer, they'll say here's a
picture, there's nothing there,we it's gone.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So there you go it's kind of like a dirty little
secret.
Everyone in east grinsteadknows that this event goes on.
They know they break the rules,they know it causes havoc on
the roads, um, but they justkind of put up with it because
it's one weekend and I've comeinto this with the approach of
like, look, they can hold theirevent.
I'm not opposed to them.
You know, if people want totravel from across europe to sit
(11:40):
in a tent in a field in thedark country like the sussex
countryside and listen to davidmiscavige speak for three hours,
be my guest, but do it asyou're supposed to play by the
rules, right?
There are regulations therethat need to be followed and if
they applied for planningpermission they would probably
get it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And that's my point is why aren't they months?
They can just say we need itfor two months exactly because
we're gonna, it's gonna.
We need a month to build it andset build the stage and set up
all the carpets.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And then we need three weeks for david miscavige
to rehearse in there to makesure he doesn't say one word out
of place, and then we have theday for the event and then the
next day we take it all down andit's putting a lot of strain on
their relationship with thecouncil as well, because another
thing that they have a premiseslicense which basically gives
them permission to hold largeevents of up to 7,000 people on
(12:34):
the property, but one of theconditions is they have to
provide six weeks notice to thecouncil to say, hey, we're doing
this, and last year I calledthem out for it.
They didn't provide the sixweeks notice and Janet Laveau,
who's been the head of OSA inthe UK for a couple of decades
at least, she replied to thecouncil and said oh, I'm sorry,
(12:55):
it's my first time organizingthis event.
I had no idea.
We'll make sure we do it nextyear.
And I I said that's absoluterubbish.
But, ok, fair enough, it's thefirst time they've been reported
for it, so I understand thecouncil wanting to be a bit
lenient.
So this year I heard, like acouple of people under the radar
, that the event was going to behappening on the first or
(13:18):
second weekend of October, so Ithink it was six weeks exactly
beforehand.
I emailed the council and said,hey, have they given you six
weeks notice?
And, through a Freedom ofInformation Act request, I've
now got all the emails that wenton in the background and,
instead of replying to say no,the council emailed Janet Laveau
(13:39):
and said hey, don't forget tohand in your six weeks notice.
Oh, come on.
And then they did the next dayand then replied to me and said
yeah, we got the six weeksnotice.
And then they did the next dayand then replied to me and said
yeah, we got the six weeksnotice.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You know why?
They don't know when the eventis?
Because of Miscavige, right,exactly?
There's two possible reasonsthat they wouldn't do that
because Miscavige won't say thisis when it's going to be.
If someone says when it's goingto be, he will invariably say I
didn't want to do it, then Iwanted it.
(14:10):
Or Tom can't go.
It has to be coordinated aroundTom Cruise, because if Tom
Cruise doesn't come to thesethings, then no one would come.
The reason they can get severalhundred or a few thousand
people at most is because tomcruise is going to be there and
they know.
It's sort of an agreement thatif you can get to tom and get a
(14:32):
picture, he'll take it with you,because this is his one time a
year to show hey, I'm ascientologist and look, here I
am with run-of-the-millscientologists so, and that
that's why I described tomcruise in the Daily Mail article
last week as a fundraising tool, because that's exactly how
he's used by Scientology.
Yes, 100%, you're absolutelyright, yeah, the other reason is
(14:54):
that they don't want to filethese things and they don't want
to put in writing these things,because then people like you
will know exactly what it'sgoing to be and then you can get
all your ducks in a row.
Unfortunately for them, itseems like you may have already
had all your ducks in a row, nomatter which date they picked,
so it doesn't.
(15:15):
It's sort of silly that theyplay these games with everybody
when we know how they play thegame, so you can kind of get
around or plan.
You know it's going to be inOctober and you know it's likely
going to be on one to threedifferent weekends.
They never have done it anyother time.
There's been a few times whereI think it slipped into the
(15:37):
beginning of November or it wasin the late September, but for
the most part it's always inOctober, because that is the
anniversary of the, the formingof the IAS and this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, and again, it's just giving them an opportunity
, because I know that's how theyoperate and I know it's all at
the whim of Miscavige.
And you know I work in theentertainment events industry,
right, so I'm I'm alwayssurrounded by people who
organize large events thatthousands of people go to, and
it's a year in the planning, ifnot more, every single time, and
(16:09):
this thing is just throwntogether at the last minute in a
matter of weeks, because theyknow that.
You know Scientologists have togo there.
They're given the instruction.
If you can possibly go, youhave to, and if you can't afford
the travel, that's OK, becausewe're putting on a coach from
Copenhagen which is like a 20hour drive.
There's literally no escapingit.
And so I've been trying toreally show that to the council.
(16:32):
Scientology applied in July fora public spaces protection order
, which is basically a ban onprotesting outside St Hill.
It's an exclusion order thatwould limit the area and say,
hey, there's no, you can't holdsigns or, you know, shout chants
or whatever the conditions arewithin a certain radius of the
property.
(16:52):
They applied in July and againthrough FOI I can now see all
these emails.
The council said OK, well, whenis the event happening and
Scientology for months couldn'tgive the answer.
They said we know it's inOctober, it turns out Janet
Laveau told the council thatthey were preparing for it to be
the first or second weekend ofOctober because that's what
they'd been instructed toprepare for, and then, about
(17:14):
three weeks beforehand, shefinally emailed into the council
and said we've now been giventhe go ahead from up lines and
it's going to be on this weekend, the 23rd or whatever it was.
Um, so it just shows it's solast minute and they're just
waiting.
And it actually worked to theirdetriment because for them to,
they could have potentially gotthis ban in place and they could
(17:36):
have prepared better.
They could have closed the road, because you have to apply six
weeks beforehand if you want toclose the road, but you can't do
that if you don't have the date.
So it's just showing theirdisorganization up to the
council yeah and they've triedto do this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They've done the same sort of thing around the shrine
auditorium.
They've done the same thing atthe international headquarters.
They've done the same thing inLos Angeles at what's normally
referred to as the complex orthe group it'll take, so that
they can shut down both sides ofthe street and then provide a
(18:30):
detour around all their stuff,and then that way protesters
can't get near where theScientologists are going to be.
And this is a common tacticthat they also use in Florida at
the Ruth Eckerd Hall or at theFort Harrison Hotel, where they
sometimes do smaller events.
(18:50):
So it's amazing that this isthe first time that they've
actually tried to do it in theUK, but it's not surprising that
they failed utterly, becausethey're very good at that well,
you know, it's still sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You're gonna say something no, I was just gonna
ask too.
On that note, I heard youtalking about in your live, when
you're protesting, that theyhad put up bushes and a fence
that's bush tech.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Bush tech also another very a variation of
sprinkler tech and various other.
Yeah, speaker, tech, tech bushtech.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh, and what?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
about umbrella tech.
Were they doing umbrella tech?
They were doing umbrella techexactly.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's actually comical .
I can't help but laugh at howmuch they try.
So, for example, what you weretalking about is a couple of
years ago they erected a fenceand planted a hedge directly
opposite the St Hill entrance,and that's because protesters
used to gather there.
That was before I startedspeaking out and I was like this
(19:56):
isn't OK.
How come no one's complainedabout this?
And so I contacted the highwaysdepartment because that's not
their land, it's the vergeopposite their property.
And I said look, this iscausing an obstruction for the
protesters and for any attendees, because last year they they
didn't have enough parking spaceon the property, so they were
using the rugby club opposite umand people having to get out
(20:18):
the cars and walk along the road.
And it's this dark country lanewith no pavement, it's muddy,
it's quite dangerous.
And so I was making the casethat it's this dark country lane
with no pavement, it's muddy,it's quite dangerous.
And so I was making the casethat it's unsafe for the
attendees, for them to have thishere, never mind the protesters
.
And the Highways Agency wrote toScientology and ordered that
they remove both the fence andthe hedgerow and gave them 28
(20:40):
days to do so, which would havebeen the Monday before the
protest.
Um, obviously they didn'tremove it because they know they
get a 14 day extension.
And they're now claiming uh,they admit to planting it and
putting it there, but they'reclaiming that they did so with
the permission of the council.
And the council is saying wedidn't give you permission.
You need to provide evidence ofthat, otherwise we're going to
(21:02):
take it down and send you thebill.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, they've also done that exact same thing at
the international headquarters.
They actually put in notrespassing signs on the
easement side of the propertythe county's property, and not
on there to push the roadsmaller and smaller so that
there would be nowhere forprotesters to walk.
And they've over the yearsthey've sort of engineered this
a way of thinning the road andthey even have islands in the
middle of the road that's in thethat goes through the
international headquarters, tomake the lanes there less room
(21:53):
for lanes, so that there's, ifyou make the shoulder less and
the lanes less and then put abig Island in the middle that no
one's allowed to protest on,then that this gets rid of.
So yeah, it's no surprise to methat they're they basically
they have a very limited bag oftricks they pull out of, but
(22:13):
that it just it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's comical that they do the same thing
everywhere around the world andthey don't give up like so.
This is another thing that theywere doing was, um, on the
verge directly outside.
The profit like this is right.
I have spent hundreds of hoursover the last few months looking
up by the property boundariesand like looking at their old
planning applications to showthe layout of the road and all
(22:36):
of this stuff is.
It's terribly boring, but it'sworth it, because then I know my
stuff and I can say no, look,when we're there on site.
This is their property.
They accused this official HM,his majesty's land registry copy
.
They accused me ofphotoshopping it.
Oh my god.
I know it's ridiculous, butessentially they put on the
(22:59):
verge directly outside.
They put these massive plantpots last year and they
completely block off the vergeand then they park cars all the
way down so that there's nowhere protesters stand, and so I
have a couple of localresidents who were going past
and taking pictures in the daysbeforehand and thursday night
they put out these huge planters, the event being on friday, and
(23:20):
so I reported it straight away.
Highways wrote an email andcalled saint hill up first thing
, friday morning, and orderedthey remove the planters, which
they did, and then a couple ofhours later they put new
planters out that was slightlysmaller, but it's like like on
the edge of the verge, so it'sactually in the road.
And then I said you know, Ireported that again and highways
(23:40):
called up again and said wetold you, not like you can't
block this right of way, get ridof them.
And so when we arrived there onthe day, they had got rid of
all the planters, but then theyput a barrier in place to try
and separate the area of wherewe were standing as protests and
where they were, and it justgoes on and on and on.
It's like how many times doesthe council need to tell them
(24:01):
not to do something?
And they go, okay, we won't doit, and they just try and do
something slightly similar.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
For next year.
You have to make sure, you haveto say can you?
Because they always do this.
You have to say in there youcannot place planters, pots,
plants, benches, bushes,barricades oh my god, the
bagpipes don't, oh, oh mygoodness, dude, you were talking
.
(24:30):
I wasn't able to join for allthree hours of every single
thing, but whenever I popped inand you were speaking with that,
it looked like it was almostalways the same officer that I
saw you speaking with.
When you did speak with him, itwas the same one that asked you
to take down our favorite Davydoll fake.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Navy Davy, Captain Whack from.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
PGA.
When you were talking to thatguy, I was so impressed how you
were.
He basically interacted withyou and said, hey, we'd like to
take the doll down because itrepresents their profit, and I
like how you just went rightinto it.
You said, hey, we'd like totake the doll down because it
represents their profit, and Ilike how you just went right
into it.
You said, well, yeah, just soyou know, just for your
information.
And this is all what's goingout on the live.
(25:17):
And I thought it's so amazingthat he weaved all this
information into a response tothem saying, hey, we don't like
the Captain Davey is offensivedoes.
To them saying, hey, we don'tlike the Captain Davy as
offensive does, but then thatDavid Miscavige is not listed on
any of their formal documentsfor the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He's not a designer.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, he's not an owner, he's not a representative
, he doesn't exist as a personreally in this location at this
time.
He has no rights or benefits astheir leader in the united
kingdom, because he's not.
He's not on a single documentand then also he's not their
prophet.
He's a guy who works at a placein los angeles that really, at
(26:01):
the end of the day, shouldn'thave anything to do with these
guys here yeah, and I'm not evensure if he has the right work
visa, because he's definitelyworking when he's here.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Does he have a work visa because?
He's definitely working whenhe's here.
Does he have?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
a work visa Completely.
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And I loved Alex too, that you responded with.
Well, it's interesting that youfind that offensive.
They have hate websites on meand all these other people.
I was like exactly Tax exemptdollars paying for hate sites
and leveraging people's familiesagainst them and so on and so
forth.
(26:33):
Anyway, it was really goodresponse on your part thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I mean the, the, the official term that they used,
because this is by the law.
If for something to beharassment in the uk, it needs
to be, it needs to cause alarmand distress.
So the words were that theCaptain Davy doll caused alarm
and distress.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And this is for Scientologists who can allegedly
confront and shattersuppression and who can handle
any communication situation, nomatter how rough, right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Cause over matter energy, space and time, but not
dolls, not dolls.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They cause alarm and distress.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so my response was well, I'm sorry, let me just
insert one other comment.
I love that they see theresemblance, yeah, I was really
torn in my mind.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I had a split second to decide which route am I going
to go down here?
Because I could admit that itis very clearly captain davey,
but or I could go down the route, whereas no, this is just.
This is a naval officer thatlooks like an elf, that's a bit
dead behind the eyes.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Like I could have gone down either route, do you
know another guy who's nameddavy that has a fake navy.
Is there such a thing?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
well, yes, that's the thing I mean.
I was like, look, it's going tobe hard to to argue that it's
not david, because it's captaindavy.
Fair enough, let's be honestabout it.
Um, but I I was like, like Imentioned, well, I find it
alarming and distressing whenthey sit outside my house with
private investigators every day,or when they try and hack into
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my website a thousand times aday, or when they do this and
they do this.
Or you know, when my friend wasabused, or when my friend had
this happened, or when thishappened to me, when they locked
me in a room, like I justlisted all the things, and I was
like, are you really trying totell me that this is alarming
and distressing?
And fortunately the policeofficer got it and it was like
(28:35):
cool, I'm just asking.
And I I said I will politelytake down the doll, you know, as
a gesture of goodwill, becauseI don't want to antagonize them,
but please note that this isridiculous we're gonna have to
get little masks for them sothey can be disguised next time
um, yeah, and maria in the chatsaid can we get a bagpipe for
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that doll?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
yeah you know what?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I've got a small toy factory that's going on over
here at my, at my warehouse.
So between we got, we gotBobbles, we got Leah and Mike,
which, if you guys didn't know,we just announced these a few
days ago.
And then we got the Davey dolls.
I'm trying to get out of thedoll business, not start making
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accessories for them.
If I make a bagpipe for fakeDavey, I'm going to be making
purses for the Leo bobbleheadand the next thing you know,
mike's going to get a fedora.
It's too much, guys.
We got to just take it easy.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The bagpipes were ridiculously incessant.
It was three bagpipe songs onrepeat all day, every day, and
it was the same three last yearand so I'm kind of like
programmed to kind of ignorethem.
So I don't notice it that muchnow, but I do get that it's
irritating on the live stream.
But you know, the thing is thevolume.
So there's if they erect afence temporarily along the
(30:02):
perimeter where we stand so thatwe can't see into the property
or they can't see us, and theyput us loud speaker speaker just
one, not one both sides foreveryone to hear.
It's one speaker pointeddirectly at us as protesters.
So it's clearly aimed at justdrowning us out and annoying us,
that's what's referred to asspeaker tech.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Speaker tech yeah.
This also started at theInternational.
They actually started doingthat when I still worked at the
property and I was working inthe audiovisual areas and we set
up towers of speakers all alongthe highway with amplifiers and
it was a major production toset up these towers and then
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they would play stuff, but itwas just played to annoy them.
Now that there's things YouTubeand other things now they can
play it to ruin your audio or insome locations I think they did
this in Hollywood they'll playcopyrighted music so that your
video will be unmonetized.
(31:07):
So even if you do leave it uplike some people are like
whatever, I'm going to make$3.83 from this video, I'll suck
it up and you can put the musicon there.
But it sounds like in this oneit was more meant of an
annoyance or an audio ruinerrather than a copyright thing,
it's both.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is copyrighted.
My live stream's got copyrightstruck, but fortunately Because
of the music.
Yeah, those three bagpipe songsare copyrighted, but fortunately
you have an exemption underfair use, because I'm not
recording the audio.
It's just incidental, it's inthe background of something
happening in the public.
I can appeal it, and last yearI appealed it and it was fine.
(31:48):
So I got my five bucks orwhatever I got from ad revenue.
But, um, you know, it's justone of those things that causes
a nuisance, because you knowthat, you know that's going to
be delayed, and any ad revenue,they have to review it all and
then you have to go through thelegal rigmarole of it all and
that's exactly what theirpurpose is.
Um, and also, with the volume,every time we started chanting,
(32:09):
they, they whacked the volume upand so obviously I reported it
to the council officers thatwere there observing the protest
and, uh, they were like, yeah,we can see, and they were not
taking notes of every time theyturned it up and turned it down.
Um, and then on the saturday,we actually I'm surprised that
the police officer managed to dothis, but we managed to
negotiate with scientology,because they didn't like the
(32:30):
fact that we were standing onboth sides of the entrance,
because then, whicheverdirection people are coming from
, they see us.
So for the Saturday, thePatrons Ball.
Um, we agreed, I said I.
I will happily agree for us tobe on just one side of the road,
on the condition you remove thebarrier that's blocking us, you
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don't stand there withumbrellas and you turn the
bloody bagpipes down those aremy exact words, and the police
officer who was in charge, thesergeant, went and negotiated
and they came.
He came back and he said, yeah,they've agreed to it and I was
like fantastic yeah, but theystill every over maybe half an
hour or so.
(33:10):
The volume just kept creeping upand I kept.
I said, guys, if you keepturning the volume up, we're
just going to go and stand onthe other side as they run back
and turn it down again.
And the whole day was justconstantly like they were trying
it and trying it all day.
So by the sunday I was like,look, it's not worth us doing
that again today.
So we're going to be on bothsides.
You put it as loud as you want,because I know the council
(33:33):
aren't going to like it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And that's another thing like maybe in the future,
if this, ever, if a protesttakes place like this again,
then you could say these are allthe things that you did last
time that are not acceptablethey should be.
Or these are all the thingsScientology did last time that
are not acceptable.
These are all the thingsScientology did last time that
were unacceptable and werebasically unchecked or they
(33:56):
didn't agree to not do itanymore.
The other thing that you got toknow, alex, is that if this
shows up on David Miscavige'sradar and he makes a comment,
they're locked in.
So if he said you know, whatwould be funny is if you guys
play bagpipes while they wereprotesting, and then there
always has to be bagpipesAnytime somebody protests at St
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Hill, they have to play bagpipesbecause that's what David
Miscavige said.
So there could be things inthat are happening in and around
your protest that scientologyhas no choice to do.
But if he just said playbagpipes and didn't say play it
loud, then somebody couldinterpret that as they were
(34:40):
playing the bag types bagpipes,but we had to turn it down so
that they couldn't be.
You know it's, it's, it's all amind screw in Scientology where
you have to do nonsense andcomply to somebody who's
ordering you to do nonsense andsomehow still live your life and
(35:00):
do your job.
And this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I'm just like giving them the opportunity to make
themselves look like fools, justlike giving them the
opportunity to make themselveslook like fools.
So because they turned thevolume up every time we chanted
and turned it down and thenturned up again, they made it
clear that the bagpipes were inresponse to us as protesters,
not because they wanted tocreate an atmosphere for people
(35:22):
attending the event.
So we're going through thispublic spaces protection order
process at the moment.
We're going through this publicspaces protection order process
at the moment and as part ofthat, they have to review
whether a ban on protestingwould be necessary and
proportional or whether thereare other alternatives, like can
we come to an arrangement, forexample, standing on one side of
the road or the other?
And during that point, you know, I can bring up all of these
(35:44):
things and say, look, they'reclearly doing this to disrupt
the protesters, and here's thefootage to show it.
And they're doing this anddoing this.
So it's I.
I deliberately played it coolthis year and probably didn't
complain as much as I wouldnormally, because I wanted to
just gather the evidence todemonstrate all of their tactics
.
And they're just there tointerfere with us.
(36:04):
Why are three.
They so scared that you know 3000 attendees are going to be
disrupted by 18 protesters.
There were 11 of us on Sunday.
Like come on guys.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, you could also use as evidence the speaker.
Tech and bush tech and planttech that they've done in
countless other locations aroundthe world and you can say
Scientology does this everywhere.
There's no reason for bushes tobe here or plants to be here.
This is how they block peoplefrom viewing Scientology
(36:40):
facilities and try to make it so.
There's no place for theprotesters to safely and that is
a key thing.
They try to make it unsafe forthe protesters.
Among everything, that's thetop thing that they do make it
unsafe or uncomfortable for theprotesters to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, and one of the things I was trying to point out
this year is those precautionsor those things they put in
place that make it unsafe for us, make it unsafe for everybody,
because there's a dark countrylane, so on the sunday, for
example, um, they didn't turn.
They have these big floodlights illuminating the road and
they didn't turn them on.
They claimed it was because theclocks changed overnight
(37:22):
because in the uk we change ourclocks a week before and they
were automatic and and I waslike, no, that's absolutely
rubbish, because you knowthere's, they weren't on
automatic.
They came on different times,on the friday and on the
saturday and the sunday.
When they did come on, itwasn't exactly an hour one side
or the other, so it's just theydidn't want to turn them on
until 20 minutes before theevent started.
(37:43):
But I was making the case thatthat's making it unsafe for the
attendees, for we brought ourown lights, so we were clearly
illuminated.
We had our high-vis jackets andwe put them along the verge, so
our safety was thought aboutbeforehand.
Their games that they're playingis only making it unsafe for
their own people and that'snegligence you know, one of the
(38:04):
things the highways departmentsaid was, if you park cars along
the verge or you obstruct theright of way, that invalidates
your public liability insurance.
So if someone hurts themselves,you're not covered and by law
you can't hold events of thatsize without having the
insurance, and so it's justgiving them, like I said, the
opportunity, and kindness andcompassion is really important
as well, and you know, kindnessand compassion was really
(38:26):
important as well.
But when it comes to peoplewalking along the road and such,
we were actually like pointingthem where to park and we were
saying hey guys, you know, don'twalk in the road, walk on the
verge.
And we have hours and hours offootage of us guiding the
attendees who didn't realize wewere protesters to begin with,
because we weren't shouting intheir faces or anything.
(38:46):
We were saying hey and try andstick to the pavement, don't
walk in the road, there's a carcoming.
And they were like, oh, thankyou very much.
And then we go look, if youever need any help, we're here
to support you.
And they go what?
And then we give them anaftermath card or something and
then suddenly it clicks in theirhead and it was actually a
really beautiful tactic but,like you know, we were trying to
highlight safety was reallyimportant and, for example, one
(39:09):
of the things they did was stopcars outside the gates to let
people out, and then they walkin the road.
And so I made the point to thepolice and the council that
that's unsafe.
They have a huge property withmultiple entrances that they
could be using.
They're not using the coachdrop off point down by the
stables, and that's because allthe staff are probably eating
dinner right now.
(39:29):
They're not using the manorentrance because that's reserved
for L Ron Hubbard, who, by theway, died in 1986.
And this is the only otherentrance and so they're using
that one.
And so we were trying to say,guys, if you drop people off in
the property, then they don'thave to walk past us protesters,
so we cause less disruption andthey're safer.
(39:50):
And Scientology just wouldn'tgo along with it.
And even though that's to ourdetriment, because we want
people walking past us, it showsthat we're prioritizing safety
and again made them look bad allby their own doing.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and I and I don't understand that, like the
many events I attended at StHill, they would always drive
the coach down to the centralarea at the bottom of the St
Hill Green.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
They don't do that anymore because I'm pretty sure
I don't know if it's still thisway but they had the CMO and
that's where Dave hangs out atthe manor and that's sort of
like where, if Tom is there,that's where Tom might stay or
that's where they would keepthose kind of folks.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
It's changed now.
So CMO and CLO are actually onan off site.
They're at a different placenow.
They bought the Fonthill Lodgewhich used to be a school on
Coombe Hill Road, literally justup the road.
They bought that and convertedit.
That's now CLO and CMO.
The stables which used to bebirthing and, you know, eat food
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there was, I think the galleywas there.
That and the new Quoll buildingare, you know, quoll now.
So they don't really use it,other than they built this coach
pick up and drop off placewhere the buses run to the
birthing and drop people off inthe morning and pick them up in
the evening.
So it is supposed to be a coachpick up and drop off point but
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they don't use it because it'sthe other side of the property
and because that's where all thestaff are going to be eating
their food on, on the RPS orwhatever and the like I said.
The other entrance is the manorwhich is, I imagine, where Tom
Cruise would be staying or DaveMiscavige, and the only other
entrance is the gates where wewere.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Wow, so they won't drop them off at the manor and
then they won't drop them off atthe drop off point.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
No, and if you look at the property, does it make
any sense?
No, you're not going to see itvery well on this, maybe I
should send you if you want tolook it up you can look it up.
But like there is, there is aclear route.
Right, I'm, it's all back tofront for me, but you could
enter on one through oneentrance and drive through the
property and leave through theother.
And I'm not a trafficmanagement expert by any stretch
(41:59):
of the imagination.
But I was trying to say to thecouncil, surely it makes sense
to for everyone to go in, dropthem off and then come out.
But no, they refused to do.
They even hired a trafficmanagement company.
This was another thing.
It was absurd.
They were trying to claim thatlast year protesters standing in
the road was what causeddisruption to the local
community and long tailbacks andcongestions on the on the road
(42:22):
and stuff.
And I was like no, it's becauseof the 3 000 scientologists
coming from all over Europetrying to cram into this
property when they're only usingone entrance.
And so they were like, okay,this year we're going to have a
traffic management company whojust stood in the car park and
told the coaches where to park.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh my gosh, that's what they needed, that's what
they were missing.
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous so much nonsense.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I do appreciate that you were following the local
laws and regulations and beingvery cordial with the law
enforcement that showed up andthat sort of thing.
We want to if people are listen.
I've been protesting since theearly 2000s.
Since the early 2000s, likewhen I got out in 2005,.
(43:14):
I was protesting in 2006 and2007 and 2008 and going forward
when we were when we still livedin Los Angeles, so I'm very
familiar about how, if you areprotesting and you do something
that Scientology can misconstruein any way whatsoever, they
will use that until the end oftime.
They because I attendedanonymous protests in 2007 or
(43:35):
2008 or when 2009, whenever Idid um, I and myself and claire
there's a website that's calledmr and mrs anonymous and it
talks about how we're part ofAnonymous, even though we're not
anonymous.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
So we can't be part of Anonymous.
We're like go word, clear thedefinition of anonymous.
You know who we are.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Anyway, you know what's funny?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
What is wrong with you, Actually?
I?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
want to show this real quick because in 2000,
every year when there would beprotests, at least in Los
Angeles in the United States,when there is a protest, people
take pictures of the protestsigns and then they rank the
protest signs for the year.
And in 2010, this was I don'tknow if they ever did the final
(44:24):
list, but this was the bestprotest sign of 2010 so far.
And it says Conan saved me fromScientology.
And someone sent this to me theother day and I thought
wouldn't it be funny if we kindof could get some of these going
again?
The person who sent me thisasked me if we could track this
(44:44):
person down and if you look here, it says Conan saved me from
Scientology.
And this was during when ConanO'Brien, who's a talk show host
in the United States, in May of2010, he was fired from the show
that he was on the one of thenetworks here, and then there
was a big protest.
Anyway, I don't need to trackthe guy down because, um,
(45:07):
because I still actually havethe sign from that day and, uh,
they unfortunately they took offthe link to my website that was
on there, but, um, I did havethe best protest sign in 2012,
so I know a thing about thatputs my signs to shame, mark,
anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
No, you had great signs, Alex.
I love them.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I didn't have a doll back then I could bring over
today.
I mean just having.
I can't.
When you sent me that link tothe video that you had to put
the doll away, I was like you'vegot to be kidding me.
They know about the doll nowthis is amazing, a doll and
distress.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So for anyone watching, if you don't have your
very own Davy doll, head onover to the spshopcom where you
can get your own SPparaphernalia.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, I'm tempted to suggest that at the next protest
we all dress up as Captain Davyof the fake Space Navy protest.
We all dress up as captain davyof the fake space navy.
Um, but that's all on hold atthe moment because I mentioned
earlier about the pspo publicspace protection order, just to
to inform you and your audiencelike the protest is over.
(46:21):
But actually the hard work forme now begins, because what is
happening is the council arereviewing.
They were there observing theprotest.
Scientology claimed that ourprotest causes disruption to
local community.
It's persistent.
There are certain criteria thatneed to be met in order to ban
a protest in a certain area, andso the council were observing
(46:43):
it.
They are now reviewing all ofthe evidence.
All the people that attendedthe protest can hand in
statements, and it's alreadyvery one sided because, of
course, they are going to supply3000 statements from
Scientology Scientologistssaying that we disrupted them
and we hurled abuse at them, andthis, that and the other, and
we're going to supply 18statements that say we didn't do
(47:06):
that.
That's why it was important tohave the police there and the
council, and there was a lot ofwork beforehand.
You know, I went down and metwith councillors.
I went down and met, we did asite visit with the police a
week beforehand and we scopedout where we want to stand.
There's a lot of planning thatgoes into it.
Now they're reviewing theevidence.
They then decide in four weekstime whether to go ahead with
(47:27):
public consultation.
If they decide to go ahead withthat, then it opens it up until
I think it's from end ofNovember until the end of
December or beginning of January.
That's when the public will beable to give their views and
then it goes to a vote at thecouncil and they will decide at
the end of january whether ornot to ban the protesting
outside saint hill.
(47:48):
And it's not any protest groupor any protester, it's.
It's actually banning certainactivities.
So they will specify it is nowillegal to hold a sign outside
saint hill or it's illegal tochant things outside.
So it will be a list and thatban will be in place
indefinitely and for a minimumof three years.
(48:09):
And so the pressure a was onover the weekend to show and
demonstrate that we are therewith kindness and compassion,
didn't want to cause disruption.
But b now the pressure is onbecause we now have to go
through all this rigmarole andlegal loopholes.
And if they do implement a PSPO, the appeals process is
straight to the high court.
(48:29):
So it's certainly not somethingto joke around about and I'm
taking it very, very seriously.
But this is the stressful partnow.
So I've taken my two days off,but I've got my work cut out for
me for the next few months.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
And, as I've said, alex, whatever you need, I'm in
as, having grown up in the cadetorg at St Hill.
Whatever testimony I can give,whatever I can do to help, I'm
down for that 100%.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Thank you.
I appreciate that and Iappreciate got the support of
people over in the States andthere are other UK people.
It does feel like I'm kind offighting alone sometimes, but it
really does mean a lot to knowthat I've got the support of
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literally thousands of peopleonline that you know, if it
opens up to public consultation.
You know, I don't know whetherthey'll allow statements from
people abroad or not, butperhaps they will, perhaps they
won't, but there's a communityhere that are offering support.
So it's just about how do weuse that, utilize that support,
because what this is is this isa potential ban and restriction
(49:39):
on free speech, which is a waybigger issue than you know
Scientology it's like that's awhole another kettle of fish,
totally yeah okay is thereanything else we?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
need to cover, or should we do some?
Uh, read some comments and dosome giveaways?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
yeah, let's go through the comments I
highlighted a bunch, so you pullthem up, honey.
I'll read them and, alex, youcan respond.
Sure, all right, buck buddyquestion.
Can you apply for temporary noparking on the road in front of
your protest for next year?
Speaker 3 (50:11):
yeah, so we did that last year.
Actually, I had a temporaryroad closure in place, um, and
it was approved, and thenscientology meddled and they got
a counselor whose name, I kidyou not, is dick sweat man.
Um, he's the local councillorthat scientology loved.
So they they, you know calledup dick and he basically tried
to stop the temporary roadclosure, um, and then it got
(50:34):
cancelled and then it wasreinstated in the morning.
So there was a lot of back andforth.
We ended up having the roadclosure permit, but we didn't
enforce it because what we'dagreed with the police instead
was that they would give us arolling escort down the road so
that causes less disruption tothe local community.
We can't restrict traffic andaccess to properties, so the
(50:55):
road closure all that does isjust give us a little bit more
space to protect protesters.
So we came up with thisagreement with the police and
that's what we did again thisyear and if we're allowed to do
it, we'll do it again next year,because it's, overall, keeps us
safe and we can be on publicland.
I think ideally there would bemaybe an extended space, maybe
we can close a small portion ofone of the lanes, maybe, um, but
(51:20):
that's a discussion for nextyear okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Dr x in the house.
Quick hello from paul and I.
Real world beckons clinicaltrials and world first surgery.
Well done to alex sp chef andall the protesters involved in
the is protest wow, thank you,dr x.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Dr x is awesome she completely.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Uh, love food kitchen .
I really must join alex nextyear.
It's been 15 years since I lastprotested saint hill and,
although I suspect without theguy fox mask, they'll suddenly
stop inviting me to events thereyes probably good, good chance
of that.
Uh, socky mcsockface.
The only other things I knowhundreds of people go into a
(52:04):
tent to see somethingentertaining is a circus that's
not another thing.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
That is that.
That is what it is yep,completely kaz.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Hey, greetings from melbourne, australia.
Uh, mary k, london.
Hi everyone from new mexico,hello, and bach buddy.
Hello from minnesota.
Sorry, I tagged a bunch of oneshi from west virginia at the
beginning of where we peoplewere joining us from.
So there you go.
Uh, echoplex media.
(52:33):
Alex is just super nice, that'swhy he's good at talking to
people.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
There you go, alex thank you, I appreciate that
love it comment.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
impressed with alex skill at talking and debating
with everyone.
Yes, indeed, great job.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Danielle Chamberlain in the house Question Do you
know if they have a PRS license?
Alex?
Speaker 3 (52:55):
I got them in trouble for that last year.
So PRS is the.
I don't know what it exactlystands for.
I think it's public recordservice or something like that.
Essentially, if you want toplay music in the uk, you have
to have a prs license as abusiness, whether that's playing
live music or recorded musicover a speaker system.
If you are running a shop andyou just want to have music
(53:17):
playing over, like a radiostation or something, you have
to have a license for it.
It's not expensive and you knowit's.
It goes towards paying rightsfor the musicians that made the
music and so obviously they'replaying copyrighted music over
the loudspeakers.
They play music at these events.
They have live performers.
Even though the jive aces aretheir own band, they still have
(53:38):
to have a prs license for thejive aces to officially play
their own songs on the propertyand so yeah, looked it up last
year, they they did not have aPRS license.
I reported them for it.
I don't know, off the top of myhead, if they had one in place
for this year.
I would imagine they did.
But you can look it up online,wow.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
There you go.
Catherine Olson, I think theytry to do things in the UK that
are easy to get away with in theUS and it can backfire big time
because the laws are different,exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the UK is in the Scientology
world.
I don't know if you guys agreewith this, but most of the
people I've spoken to said thatthe UK are always known for
doing things a little bitdifferently in terms of the orgs
and like not following ordersand we're just doing our own
thing anyway, because it's StHill it'son's home, um, and so
they are definitely trying that.
But there are some things thatthey they've tried all over the
(54:30):
world, like we were talkingabout earlier the obstructions
and the bush tech and the soundtech.
But, yeah, the I think becauseI've spent so much time
educating counselors and the lawenforcement and building
relationships with these people,I've been able to educate them
and say, hey, this is whatthey're going to do, this is why
they're say, hey, this is whatthey're going to do, this is why
they're going to do it, this ishow they're going to justify it
(54:50):
.
And that kind of prepares themso that when Scientology claim
that we're harassing them, I'vealready got in place to counsel
people, to make sure they'rethere to observe it themselves,
to see that we're not harassingthem, and I think that work
beforehand is really important,and so I think that's why
they're not getting away with itso much this year.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yep, I 100% agree that that type of work is so, so
important.
Marla Dillard, all in Neverin100.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Thank you.
Yes, we need the support ofNeverins.
There's not many.
X-sign holders so the more helpwe can get, the better.
Danielle's here.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Thank you, danielle, good to see you here we love
danielle danielle's lovely, allright, uh, coffee milk dude,
thank you.
Thanks for joining us.
Salty beach girl, laurie.
Alex, my friend, you were builtfor this.
Your temper temperature is onpoint.
(55:50):
I think she meant tempertemperament thank you, he's hot,
he's doing okay, sure,temperament and temperature they
.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
They certainly do try , and this is one thing I will
give scientology credit for.
This right is doings.
Spending so many hours in thecourse room doing TRs.
It does prepare you to be ableto deal with stuff that they
throw at you in the real world.
And so when they're, you knowcoming up and shouting in my
face and you know trying to usewords that they know are my
(56:24):
buttons to get me to react.
You know trying to use wordsthat they know are my buttons to
get me to react and where mostpeople would kind of lose their
minds a bit when someone comesup to and says you're alarming
and distressing, and you knowthat is funny.
But being able to hold it infor a minute and have a sensible
conversation about it, I thinkgoes a long way.
That's the only thing I'll givethem credit for, and that's
because of my TRs.
But but I would.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I would counter that because I understand but.
But let's just call a spade aspade, what?
What Scientologist is out hereright now having a having a
conversation and answeringquestions and anything else.
So I would beg to differ to saythat sure you got some
experience in in scientology,but the catalyst of leaving has
(57:08):
motivated you to become astronger person oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
And if I hadn't have been in scientology, I wouldn't
have needed to use those trs indealing with the police and such
.
So yes, you know, of course.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Japan gable says she knows what prs stands for.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Preclear rundown suck , there you go.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
I think it's Performer's Rights Service.
I think, oh, that makes sense,that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, they have the same thing here in terms of
licensing, like restaurants andthings like that.
It's a software licensing formusic and stuff.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, Okay, if you haven't entered, if you're just
joining us in the comments andyou haven't commented with a
hashtag BFG in the commentsbelow, please do so.
We are about to do the drawing,we're going to put it up here
and then, alex, you just, I'mgoing to say, you just have to
(58:07):
actually just tell me when topush that button.
Draw, that's easy.
And then okay.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
So if you yeah, put in your hashtag BFG give.
We'll give it a couple ofminutes.
I already see that numberbouncing up.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well, it's good.
There's also there's also adelay.
I've I've used this tool beforeand it's really good, but I've
noticed there's a good five, 10second delay before you showing
something on the on the screenand you getting the live chats
through.
So it's it's good to leave it asecond before hit and draw.
Okay, perfect, which we've done.
Where are we at with numbersnow?
(58:39):
Do we need to draw?
Speaker 1 (58:40):
60 people have entered, that's 61.
There you go, go it's going,it's catching up.
Go ahead and do one.
How many are we doing claire?
Uh, we'll do two okay, good,we'll do two two for uh the leah
bubble yeah, and just soeverybody knows and I'll riff
for just a second here we had awin, we had some winners.
In the last video that we didon, which was it was actually
(59:01):
yesterday, was on sunday right.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
We did that yesterday two days ago sat this tuesday
it's tuesday.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, I lost a day somewhere.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Um, anyway, um, that's what happens when we work
too much you're succumbing tomessed mark.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yes, some of those winners um donated their prize
to this prize yes, they paid itforward, so yes, I think it was
kp123 that I rememberspecifically.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yes, you did Very good job.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
All right, let's draw , let's do one Perfect, I'm
doing it.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
And no, joanna, upper or lowercase does not matter.
Right, right, mark.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
It just has to be hashtag BFG.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
There you go, jean Gal, jean Gal, there we go.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Well done, well, there you go, jean gal, there we
go.
Well done, jean gal.
Hey send me an email, claire,at blown for goodcom, with your
address, and we will get thatshipped off to you.
Awesome, okay.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Also, before we do the next one, I wanted to say as
well, thank you to to theaftermath foundation for giving
I don't know if you can, it'snot the best view, the best for
you, but we were wearing theset-shirts for the entire protest,
um, which have the uk phonenumber on them, and um, we're
giving out cards with qr codesand that sort of thing and um,
you know, it's just really goodto have those resources.
So, thank you to you guys, orthanks to the aftermath, for
(01:00:17):
providing those, because it'sreally important to make sure
those resources are, you know,available yes, very definitely.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Thank you for sharing and doing the work and and
helping us get the message out.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Okay, we're ready.
Sure Again, let's go Poof.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I like how it hangs on those last ones.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Oh, I know, I know oh .
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I know, oh, he makes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Oh my gosh Awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Well done Ellen.
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Congratulations, ellen.
Send me an email, claire, atblown for goodcom with your
address, and we will get yourLeah bobblehead shipped off to
you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Awesome.
Well, I think we did good.
Thank you very much for joiningus today, alex.
Thank you.
I really appreciate, like wesaid, all the everything that
you're doing, and it really doesmatter when you've got, you
know, multiple Scientologyorganizations all around the
world.
It's hard to have somebody inthe spot when they're doing it
(01:01:30):
that's able to do it without,you know, causing a lot of
nonsense.
So you were able to do that andI think it's it's important.
Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Well, thank you, but, like I said earlier, I couldn't
do it without the support ofeverybody else and I wouldn't be
here if it weren't for peoplelike you guys coming before me
and doing this for years beforeI ever even joined Scientology.
And you know, people likeBonnie Woods came along for the
protest on the Friday to havethat experience, and the
knowledge and all the groundworkthat's been put in place before
(01:01:59):
I came along is is really,really valuable.
So I want to throw that backand say thank you to you guys as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
Thank you, alex, amazing workand, like I said, whatever you
need to keep this alive and keepit going, we're in.
Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Thank you.
Just don't cause alarm anddistress.
Just be careful.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, get your Davy doll, get your TRs in, put your
manners back in.
Somebody said they didn't winbecause they had too many BTs.
No, you want more BTs, more BTs.
You don't have enough BTs?
Bt powers activate, right.
Yeah, there you go.
Go get power Thaitans.
(01:02:42):
Thanks everybody who joined.
We'll do this again.
We wanted to do this becauseAlex just kind of finished up.
Go for it.
If you want a Davy doll or Leahbobblehead or a Mike bobblehead
(01:03:05):
or any of those things, it'lltell you how to do all that in
the outro.
Anyway, thanks again, alex.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Thank you, Alex.
Talk to you soon.
Until next time, guys.
Bye.
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All right, awesome, that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, it says we're still live.
I did it.
I didn't work.
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Stories.
Today's episode is live.
So if you're listening on thepodcast or you're watching on
YouTube or X or wherever you'retuning in, we are doing this
live.
So if you're listening on thepodcast or you're watching on
YouTube or X or wherever you'retuning in, we are doing this
live.
It is about five o'clock on aTuesday here in Colorado.
(00:33):
Let's bring on our guest today,my lovely wife Claire, as my
co-host.
And then we have joining us allthe way from the United Kingdom.
Have apostate alex, hey guyshow's it?
Going.
It's going great.
You had a very uh.
You had a very busy weekend outthere.
(00:54):
Actually, you've had a very uhpast few months out there in
east grest, east grinstead yeah,I it's.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
it's been exhausting, so it's actually been quite
nice to have two days off fromYouTube and try not to think
about all the Scientology stuffTotally.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
We're going to do a giveaway at the end of this
video and Alex is actually justgoing to say when on the drawing
little machine and he's goingto pick the winners today at the
end of the video.
So if you guys want to tune in,stick around for that.
But also, if you go into thecomments and you put hashtag BFG
, you will automatically beentered to win today's giveaway.
(01:37):
So if you want to do that, youonly have to do it once, and
once you do it, it's out of theway.
And actually I could put up alittle there you go we usually
like people to tell us wherethey're watching from and then
also put hashtag BFG in there toenter today's giveaways.
(01:57):
And then, yeah, other than that, I'll let you sort of run this
thing, claire, and yeah, let's,let's get going and find out
what Alex has been up to.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Sure and Alex PTS for life is in the chat and he asks
have you caught up on sleep yet?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
I have and he knows because he was here and he saw
it firsthand last year,obviously, and he stayed with me
for the protest last year, sohe, uh, he knows how little
sleep I get in the the lead upto the ies protest.
So, yeah, I actually this yearbecause I didn't want to
overwork myself and I knew thatit can be quite overwhelming, I
don't want to be burnt out Ischeduled two days, yesterday
(02:39):
and today, to just like not doanything and just recover, um.
So yeah, I'm, I'm definitely,I'm almost there, not completely
back to normal, but almost nice, yeah, amazing work.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
So, yes, how about you run us through?
The events leading up to it andthen a recap of the days of
protest.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
I was able to watch a bunch on youtube, but you know
I'd love to hear it from youdirectly yeah, and and it's a
lot as well I think I was livestreaming for three or four
hours, three days in a row, so Idon't expect anybody to have
watched the whole thing and, tomy surprise, there were a
handful of people who were thereevery time I checked into the
live chat across all three days.
(03:18):
So, firstly, thank you to thoseof you who watched it and were
there supporting I think.
For me it just felt so amazing.
We had 18 protesters on thefriday.
We had less on the saturday andthe sunday, but even though it
was a small group, we knew thatwe had the support of thousands
around the world and you know, Ithink it's it's up to like 14
000 views or something now overthe weekend and I don't care so
(03:40):
much about views and stuff on mychannel, but you know it's a
protesting.
I count those people as peoplestanding there with us
protesting.
So that means we have for everymaybe four Scientologists at
the IES event or sorry, forevery one Scientologist we had
four protesters about that.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
How many people does that tent that they erected?
How many does?
Speaker 3 (04:03):
that hold.
So they claim 6,000.
But I did some maths last yearbecause I worked out how big the
tent was, with some dronefootage and aerial shots, and I
worked out what the legal healthand safety capacity of the tent
is and I estimate it to beabout 3,000, 3,200 or something
if you completely pack it outand there's no way it is
(04:26):
completely full.
I've seen pictures from insideand there are a lot of empty
chairs and just being there onthe ground seeing the cars and
coaches arriving on the property.
It was way smaller than lastyear.
Like we noticed over 20 coacheslast year because they use a car
park at the rugby club opposite, and last year there were about
(04:46):
20 coaches.
This year there were eightcoaches, and that's for all of
the orgs across Europe.
So it was way smaller.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
That's amazing.
Yeah, when we used to do theevents when I worked at Golden
Air Productions, I did severalevents at that.
The same event that youprotested was the event that we
were producing once a year andthey used to have it in what's
called the Great Hall there.
And I want to say that doesn'teven fit If it's more than a
(05:17):
thousand.
It's like you literally wouldhave to cram people into it.
And so because I want to say Idon't think it's 400.
Maybe it is, it could be, but wewould fill that and then we'd
have overflow in the tent.
Many people that they thenwanted to have the event in the
(05:46):
tent and have the overflow inthe great hall and then that way
they could do their big stagesand all that because those big
stages wouldn't fit into thegreat hall and it's a sort of a
silly thing.
They could have just had it inthe great hall and then that's
it, and then there could be avideo screen outside for any,
for all the screaming kids andand people that don't want to be
there anyway, which the a largemajority of the children that
(06:07):
go to these events.
They do not want to sit therefor three hours and listen to
david miscavige drone on.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Well, I just on the kit.
So, firstly, I think it's notlong until they're going to have
to go back to the great hallbecause scientology is drinking
a rate of knots, and it reallywouldn't surprise me if, in a
couple of years time, if they dohave to resort to that, because
it's almost embarrassing tohold the is event in a tent of
that size and have it halffilled.
So we may see that.
(06:34):
But just regarding the children, this year I actually uncovered
um, a promotional flyer thatwas sent to scientologists a
couple of weeks beforehand, andthey had arranged with
Greenfield School, which is theDelphi of the UK, as Claire
obviously knows because you wentthere they had childcare at
Greenfield, so any parents goingto the IES event could drop
(06:56):
their kids off at Greenfieldsand then go pick them up
afterwards, which is outrageous.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's like a 45-minute drive.
No.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
I don't think it's that long, but it's a good 20
minutes, half an hour, I reckon,from memory anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah, factor in I never had a car.
I was always riding on the bus,so that might be distorting my
memory.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
When you're a kid that's a lot longer of a drive.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, but still that's a long way away.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, and also considering they.
As we discussed last time, wespoke claire about their
safeguarding concerns that wereraised by the government at
greenfields, and alsogreenfields were providing
accommodation for adults stayingfor the ies event.
So we have the situation wherecomplete strangers, adults who
have no background checks oranything anyone from europe
could pay for a room to stay atGreenfields.
At the same time, they'relooking after kids whose parents
(07:48):
are not there because they'reat the IS event.
It was a recipe for disaster100%.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Oh my gosh, I don't even think about that in
Scientology, Like that's likeeven that you're saying that
that is not even a question thatwould come up internally, that
we should double check this.
You say that like they had justpublic, like civilian
Scientologists staying at thisschool and the port captain, the
(08:21):
person in charge of the publicrelations for the international
headquarters of Scientology hearranged for the firefighters,
which just happened to beprisoners of California prisons.
He arranged for them to stay atthe same place where the
children of the people thatworked at the headquarters
stayed at.
That's what he arranged.
Like he offered that up as apossible alternative so that
(08:44):
they wouldn't be staying on themountain that david miscavige
stayed on.
That was not acceptable, but hecould stay where the kids were.
That's not a problem.
He can do that.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
They can do that so, yeah, outrageous, isn't it?
It's just it.
It's truly remarkable how they,they just don't think about
these things, because they justthey think that they are above
the law and they have thesolution to everything, and
their ethics system and so on isbetter than any.
You know, I don't want to usethe w word, but any you know
non-scientology formula, andit's just that I think this this
(09:17):
was the thing that I did a lotthis year with the protest,
planning and stuff was reallygiving scientology the
opportunity to let themselvesmake mistakes, and we were
talking about the marquee, thetent.
One of the things that I didbeforehand was look up the
planning regulations, becauseyou can't just build a building,
a structure, without permission, and in the UK there's you're
(09:39):
allowed a temporary structurefor 28 days, as long as it's
less than 100 square meters.
So you know, you can put atemporary marquee in your garden
, for example, um, but thisthing is, like, you know, 4 000
square meters and it's meant tohold 3 000 people.
So I've reported it to thecouncil and I said, look, this
is, this is clearly bigger than100 square meters and it's up
(10:00):
for 28 days.
And they initially said, ohyeah, we know, however it, it's
always temporary.
It does get taken down afterthe event.
So we're not going to doanything.
And I said, yeah, but it's upfor a good two months, which is
double the period and it's waybigger.
So I kept pushing and itresulted in Scientology getting
a planning contravention notice,which is kind of a warning.
(10:23):
It's saying you've broken therules.
You have 21 days to tell us why, or get rid of it, or will
there'll be further action.
So of course they'll take thetent down, but it puts them on
notice, I think.
But what's even funnier is whenthe daily mail covered the
whole protest situation, umkaren powell, the spokesperson
over in la, made a statementthat said we grow to go to great
(10:47):
lengths to ensure that wecooperate with the council.
We don't break any regulations.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
They've only started doing that since you put them on
the radar, I bet you for yearsthey haven't even gotten a plan
or a approval or because they'regoing to do the same thing, no
matter what they're going to say.
Hey, if they notice it, thensomeone's going to say you guys,
put this up, you got to take itdown or pay a fine.
(11:13):
And then by the time theyanswer, they'll say here's a
picture, there's nothing there,we it's gone.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So there you go it's kind of like a dirty little
secret.
Everyone in east grinsteadknows that this event goes on.
They know they break the rules,they know it causes havoc on
the roads, um, but they justkind of put up with it because
it's one weekend and I've comeinto this with the approach of
like, look, they can hold theirevent.
I'm not opposed to them.
You know, if people want totravel from across europe to sit
(11:40):
in a tent in a field in thedark country like the sussex
countryside and listen to davidmiscavige speak for three hours,
be my guest, but do it asyou're supposed to play by the
rules, right?
There are regulations therethat need to be followed and if
they applied for planningpermission they would probably
get it.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
And that's my point is why aren't they months?
They can just say we need itfor two months exactly because
we're gonna, it's gonna.
We need a month to build it andset build the stage and set up
all the carpets.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
And then we need three weeks for david miscavige
to rehearse in there to makesure he doesn't say one word out
of place, and then we have theday for the event and then the
next day we take it all down andit's putting a lot of strain on
their relationship with thecouncil as well, because another
thing that they have a premiseslicense which basically gives
them permission to hold largeevents of up to 7,000 people on
(12:34):
the property, but one of theconditions is they have to
provide six weeks notice to thecouncil to say, hey, we're doing
this, and last year I calledthem out for it.
They didn't provide the sixweeks notice and Janet Laveau,
who's been the head of OSA inthe UK for a couple of decades
at least, she replied to thecouncil and said oh, I'm sorry,
(12:55):
it's my first time organizingthis event.
I had no idea.
We'll make sure we do it nextyear.
And I I said that's absoluterubbish.
But, ok, fair enough, it's thefirst time they've been reported
for it, so I understand thecouncil wanting to be a bit
lenient.
So this year I heard, like acouple of people under the radar
, that the event was going to behappening on the first or
(13:18):
second weekend of October, so Ithink it was six weeks exactly
beforehand.
I emailed the council and said,hey, have they given you six
weeks notice?
And, through a Freedom ofInformation Act request, I've
now got all the emails that wenton in the background and,
instead of replying to say no,the council emailed Janet Laveau
(13:39):
and said hey, don't forget tohand in your six weeks notice.
Oh, come on.
And then they did the next dayand then replied to me and said
yeah, we got the six weeksnotice.
And then they did the next dayand then replied to me and said
yeah, we got the six weeksnotice.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You know why?
They don't know when the eventis?
Because of Miscavige, right,exactly?
There's two possible reasonsthat they wouldn't do that
because Miscavige won't say thisis when it's going to be.
If someone says when it's goingto be, he will invariably say I
didn't want to do it, then Iwanted it.
(14:10):
Or Tom can't go.
It has to be coordinated aroundTom Cruise, because if Tom
Cruise doesn't come to thesethings, then no one would come.
The reason they can get severalhundred or a few thousand
people at most is because tomcruise is going to be there and
they know.
It's sort of an agreement thatif you can get to tom and get a
(14:32):
picture, he'll take it with you,because this is his one time a
year to show hey, I'm ascientologist and look, here I
am with run-of-the-millscientologists so, and that
that's why I described tomcruise in the Daily Mail article
last week as a fundraising tool, because that's exactly how
he's used by Scientology.
Yes, 100%, you're absolutelyright, yeah, the other reason is
(14:54):
that they don't want to filethese things and they don't want
to put in writing these things,because then people like you
will know exactly what it'sgoing to be and then you can get
all your ducks in a row.
Unfortunately for them, itseems like you may have already
had all your ducks in a row, nomatter which date they picked,
so it doesn't.
(15:15):
It's sort of silly that theyplay these games with everybody
when we know how they play thegame, so you can kind of get
around or plan.
You know it's going to be inOctober and you know it's likely
going to be on one to threedifferent weekends.
They never have done it anyother time.
There's been a few times whereI think it slipped into the
(15:37):
beginning of November or it wasin the late September, but for
the most part it's always inOctober, because that is the
anniversary of the, the formingof the IAS and this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Yeah, and again, it's just giving them an opportunity
, because I know that's how theyoperate and I know it's all at
the whim of Miscavige.
And you know I work in theentertainment events industry,
right, so I'm I'm alwayssurrounded by people who
organize large events thatthousands of people go to, and
it's a year in the planning, ifnot more, every single time, and
(16:09):
this thing is just throwntogether at the last minute in a
matter of weeks, because theyknow that.
You know Scientologists have togo there.
They're given the instruction.
If you can possibly go, youhave to, and if you can't afford
the travel, that's OK, becausewe're putting on a coach from
Copenhagen which is like a 20hour drive.
There's literally no escapingit.
And so I've been trying toreally show that to the council.
(16:32):
Scientology applied in July fora public spaces protection order
, which is basically a ban onprotesting outside St Hill.
It's an exclusion order thatwould limit the area and say,
hey, there's no, you can't holdsigns or, you know, shout chants
or whatever the conditions arewithin a certain radius of the
property.
(16:52):
They applied in July and againthrough FOI I can now see all
these emails.
The council said OK, well, whenis the event happening and
Scientology for months couldn'tgive the answer.
They said we know it's inOctober, it turns out Janet
Laveau told the council thatthey were preparing for it to be
the first or second weekend ofOctober because that's what
they'd been instructed toprepare for, and then, about
(17:14):
three weeks beforehand, shefinally emailed into the council
and said we've now been giventhe go ahead from up lines and
it's going to be on this weekend, the 23rd or whatever it was.
Um, so it just shows it's solast minute and they're just
waiting.
And it actually worked to theirdetriment because for them to,
they could have potentially gotthis ban in place and they could
(17:36):
have prepared better.
They could have closed the road, because you have to apply six
weeks beforehand if you want toclose the road, but you can't do
that if you don't have the date.
So it's just showing theirdisorganization up to the
council yeah and they've triedto do this.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
They've done the same sort of thing around the shrine
auditorium.
They've done the same thing atthe international headquarters.
They've done the same thing inLos Angeles at what's normally
referred to as the complex orthe group it'll take, so that
they can shut down both sides ofthe street and then provide a
(18:30):
detour around all their stuff,and then that way protesters
can't get near where theScientologists are going to be.
And this is a common tacticthat they also use in Florida at
the Ruth Eckerd Hall or at theFort Harrison Hotel, where they
sometimes do smaller events.
(18:50):
So it's amazing that this isthe first time that they've
actually tried to do it in theUK, but it's not surprising that
they failed utterly, becausethey're very good at that well,
you know, it's still sorry.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
You're gonna say something no, I was just gonna
ask too.
On that note, I heard youtalking about in your live, when
you're protesting, that theyhad put up bushes and a fence
that's bush tech.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Bush tech also another very a variation of
sprinkler tech and various other.
Yeah, speaker, tech, tech bushtech.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Oh, and what?
Speaker 2 (19:28):
about umbrella tech.
Were they doing umbrella tech?
They were doing umbrella techexactly.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
It's actually comical .
I can't help but laugh at howmuch they try.
So, for example, what you weretalking about is a couple of
years ago they erected a fenceand planted a hedge directly
opposite the St Hill entrance,and that's because protesters
used to gather there.
That was before I startedspeaking out and I was like this
(19:56):
isn't OK.
How come no one's complainedabout this?
And so I contacted the highwaysdepartment because that's not
their land, it's the vergeopposite their property.
And I said look, this iscausing an obstruction for the
protesters and for any attendees, because last year they they
didn't have enough parking spaceon the property, so they were
using the rugby club opposite umand people having to get out
(20:18):
the cars and walk along the road.
And it's this dark country lanewith no pavement, it's muddy,
it's quite dangerous.
And so I was making the casethat it's this dark country lane
with no pavement, it's muddy,it's quite dangerous.
And so I was making the casethat it's unsafe for the
attendees, for them to have thishere, never mind the protesters
.
And the Highways Agency wrote toScientology and ordered that
they remove both the fence andthe hedgerow and gave them 28
(20:40):
days to do so, which would havebeen the Monday before the
protest.
Um, obviously they didn'tremove it because they know they
get a 14 day extension.
And they're now claiming uh,they admit to planting it and
putting it there, but they'reclaiming that they did so with
the permission of the council.
And the council is saying wedidn't give you permission.
You need to provide evidence ofthat, otherwise we're going to
(21:02):
take it down and send you thebill.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, they've also done that exact same thing at
the international headquarters.
They actually put in notrespassing signs on the
easement side of the propertythe county's property, and not
on there to push the roadsmaller and smaller so that
there would be nowhere forprotesters to walk.
And they've over the yearsthey've sort of engineered this
a way of thinning the road andthey even have islands in the
middle of the road that's in thethat goes through the
international headquarters, tomake the lanes there less room
(21:53):
for lanes, so that there's, ifyou make the shoulder less and
the lanes less and then put abig Island in the middle that no
one's allowed to protest on,then that this gets rid of.
So yeah, it's no surprise to methat they're they basically
they have a very limited bag oftricks they pull out of, but
(22:13):
that it just it.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
It's comical that they do the same thing
everywhere around the world andthey don't give up like so.
This is another thing that theywere doing was, um, on the
verge directly outside.
The profit like this is right.
I have spent hundreds of hoursover the last few months looking
up by the property boundariesand like looking at their old
planning applications to showthe layout of the road and all
(22:36):
of this stuff is.
It's terribly boring, but it'sworth it, because then I know my
stuff and I can say no, look,when we're there on site.
This is their property.
They accused this official HM,his majesty's land registry copy
.
They accused me ofphotoshopping it.
Oh my god.
I know it's ridiculous, butessentially they put on the
(22:59):
verge directly outside.
They put these massive plantpots last year and they
completely block off the vergeand then they park cars all the
way down so that there's nowhere protesters stand, and so I
have a couple of localresidents who were going past
and taking pictures in the daysbeforehand and thursday night
they put out these huge planters, the event being on friday, and
(23:20):
so I reported it straight away.
Highways wrote an email andcalled saint hill up first thing
, friday morning, and orderedthey remove the planters, which
they did, and then a couple ofhours later they put new
planters out that was slightlysmaller, but it's like like on
the edge of the verge, so it'sactually in the road.
And then I said you know, Ireported that again and highways
(23:40):
called up again and said wetold you, not like you can't
block this right of way, get ridof them.
And so when we arrived there onthe day, they had got rid of
all the planters, but then theyput a barrier in place to try
and separate the area of wherewe were standing as protests and
where they were, and it justgoes on and on and on.
It's like how many times doesthe council need to tell them
(24:01):
not to do something?
And they go, okay, we won't doit, and they just try and do
something slightly similar.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
For next year.
You have to make sure, you haveto say can you?
Because they always do this.
You have to say in there youcannot place planters, pots,
plants, benches, bushes,barricades oh my god, the
bagpipes don't, oh, oh mygoodness, dude, you were talking
.
(24:30):
I wasn't able to join for allthree hours of every single
thing, but whenever I popped inand you were speaking with that,
it looked like it was almostalways the same officer that I
saw you speaking with.
When you did speak with him, itwas the same one that asked you
to take down our favorite Davydoll fake.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Navy Davy, Captain Whack from.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
PGA.
When you were talking to thatguy, I was so impressed how you
were.
He basically interacted withyou and said, hey, we'd like to
take the doll down because itrepresents their profit, and I
like how you just went rightinto it.
You said, hey, we'd like totake the doll down because it
represents their profit, and Ilike how you just went right
into it.
You said, well, yeah, just soyou know, just for your
information.
And this is all what's goingout on the live.
(25:17):
And I thought it's so amazingthat he weaved all this
information into a response tothem saying, hey, we don't like
the Captain Davey is offensivedoes.
To them saying, hey, we don'tlike the Captain Davy as
offensive does, but then thatDavid Miscavige is not listed on
any of their formal documentsfor the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
He's not a designer.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Yeah, he's not an owner, he's not a representative
, he doesn't exist as a personreally in this location at this
time.
He has no rights or benefits astheir leader in the united
kingdom, because he's not.
He's not on a single documentand then also he's not their
prophet.
He's a guy who works at a placein los angeles that really, at
(26:01):
the end of the day, shouldn'thave anything to do with these
guys here yeah, and I'm not evensure if he has the right work
visa, because he's definitelyworking when he's here.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Does he have a work visa because?
He's definitely working whenhe's here.
Does he have?
Speaker 2 (26:10):
a work visa Completely.
That's a good point.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
And I loved Alex too, that you responded with.
Well, it's interesting that youfind that offensive.
They have hate websites on meand all these other people.
I was like exactly Tax exemptdollars paying for hate sites
and leveraging people's familiesagainst them and so on and so
forth.
(26:33):
Anyway, it was really goodresponse on your part thank you.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
I mean the, the, the official term that they used,
because this is by the law.
If for something to beharassment in the uk, it needs
to be, it needs to cause alarmand distress.
So the words were that theCaptain Davy doll caused alarm
and distress.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
And this is for Scientologists who can allegedly
confront and shattersuppression and who can handle
any communication situation, nomatter how rough, right.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Cause over matter energy, space and time, but not
dolls, not dolls.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
They cause alarm and distress.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, so my response was well, I'm sorry, let me just
insert one other comment.
I love that they see theresemblance, yeah, I was really
torn in my mind.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
I had a split second to decide which route am I going
to go down here?
Because I could admit that itis very clearly captain davey,
but or I could go down the route, whereas no, this is just.
This is a naval officer thatlooks like an elf, that's a bit
dead behind the eyes.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Like I could have gone down either route, do you
know another guy who's nameddavy that has a fake navy.
Is there such a thing?
Speaker 3 (27:53):
well, yes, that's the thing I mean.
I was like, look, it's going tobe hard to to argue that it's
not david, because it's captaindavy.
Fair enough, let's be honestabout it.
Um, but I I was like, like Imentioned, well, I find it
alarming and distressing whenthey sit outside my house with
private investigators every day,or when they try and hack into
(28:13):
my website a thousand times aday, or when they do this and
they do this.
Or you know, when my friend wasabused, or when my friend had
this happened, or when thishappened to me, when they locked
me in a room, like I justlisted all the things, and I was
like, are you really trying totell me that this is alarming
and distressing?
And fortunately the policeofficer got it and it was like
(28:35):
cool, I'm just asking.
And I I said I will politelytake down the doll, you know, as
a gesture of goodwill, becauseI don't want to antagonize them,
but please note that this isridiculous we're gonna have to
get little masks for them sothey can be disguised next time
um, yeah, and maria in the chatsaid can we get a bagpipe for
(28:57):
that doll?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
yeah you know what?
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
I've got a small toy factory that's going on over
here at my, at my warehouse.
So between we got, we gotBobbles, we got Leah and Mike,
which, if you guys didn't know,we just announced these a few
days ago.
And then we got the Davey dolls.
I'm trying to get out of thedoll business, not start making
(29:22):
accessories for them.
If I make a bagpipe for fakeDavey, I'm going to be making
purses for the Leo bobbleheadand the next thing you know,
mike's going to get a fedora.
It's too much, guys.
We got to just take it easy.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
The bagpipes were ridiculously incessant.
It was three bagpipe songs onrepeat all day, every day, and
it was the same three last yearand so I'm kind of like
programmed to kind of ignorethem.
So I don't notice it that muchnow, but I do get that it's
irritating on the live stream.
But you know, the thing is thevolume.
So there's if they erect afence temporarily along the
(30:02):
perimeter where we stand so thatwe can't see into the property
or they can't see us, and theyput us loud speaker speaker just
one, not one both sides foreveryone to hear.
It's one speaker pointeddirectly at us as protesters.
So it's clearly aimed at justdrowning us out and annoying us,
that's what's referred to asspeaker tech.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Speaker tech yeah.
This also started at theInternational.
They actually started doingthat when I still worked at the
property and I was working inthe audiovisual areas and we set
up towers of speakers all alongthe highway with amplifiers and
it was a major production toset up these towers and then
(30:46):
they would play stuff, but itwas just played to annoy them.
Now that there's things YouTubeand other things now they can
play it to ruin your audio or insome locations I think they did
this in Hollywood they'll playcopyrighted music so that your
video will be unmonetized.
(31:07):
So even if you do leave it uplike some people are like
whatever, I'm going to make$3.83 from this video, I'll suck
it up and you can put the musicon there.
But it sounds like in this oneit was more meant of an
annoyance or an audio ruinerrather than a copyright thing,
it's both.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
It is copyrighted.
My live stream's got copyrightstruck, but fortunately Because
of the music.
Yeah, those three bagpipe songsare copyrighted, but fortunately
you have an exemption underfair use, because I'm not
recording the audio.
It's just incidental, it's inthe background of something
happening in the public.
I can appeal it, and last yearI appealed it and it was fine.
(31:48):
So I got my five bucks orwhatever I got from ad revenue.
But, um, you know, it's justone of those things that causes
a nuisance, because you knowthat, you know that's going to
be delayed, and any ad revenue,they have to review it all and
then you have to go through thelegal rigmarole of it all and
that's exactly what theirpurpose is.
Um, and also, with the volume,every time we started chanting,
(32:09):
they, they whacked the volume upand so obviously I reported it
to the council officers thatwere there observing the protest
and, uh, they were like, yeah,we can see, and they were not
taking notes of every time theyturned it up and turned it down.
Um, and then on the saturday,we actually I'm surprised that
the police officer managed to dothis, but we managed to
negotiate with scientology,because they didn't like the
(32:30):
fact that we were standing onboth sides of the entrance,
because then, whicheverdirection people are coming from
, they see us.
So for the Saturday, thePatrons Ball.
Um, we agreed, I said I.
I will happily agree for us tobe on just one side of the road,
on the condition you remove thebarrier that's blocking us, you
(32:50):
don't stand there withumbrellas and you turn the
bloody bagpipes down those aremy exact words, and the police
officer who was in charge, thesergeant, went and negotiated
and they came.
He came back and he said, yeah,they've agreed to it and I was
like fantastic yeah, but theystill every over maybe half an
hour or so.
(33:10):
The volume just kept creeping upand I kept.
I said, guys, if you keepturning the volume up, we're
just going to go and stand onthe other side as they run back
and turn it down again.
And the whole day was justconstantly like they were trying
it and trying it all day.
So by the sunday I was like,look, it's not worth us doing
that again today.
So we're going to be on bothsides.
You put it as loud as you want,because I know the council
(33:33):
aren't going to like it.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
And that's another thing like maybe in the future,
if this, ever, if a protesttakes place like this again,
then you could say these are allthe things that you did last
time that are not acceptablethey should be.
Or these are all the thingsScientology did last time that
are not acceptable.
These are all the thingsScientology did last time that
were unacceptable and werebasically unchecked or they
(33:56):
didn't agree to not do itanymore.
The other thing that you got toknow, alex, is that if this
shows up on David Miscavige'sradar and he makes a comment,
they're locked in.
So if he said you know, whatwould be funny is if you guys
play bagpipes while they wereprotesting, and then there
always has to be bagpipesAnytime somebody protests at St
(34:20):
Hill, they have to play bagpipesbecause that's what David
Miscavige said.
So there could be things inthat are happening in and around
your protest that scientologyhas no choice to do.
But if he just said playbagpipes and didn't say play it
loud, then somebody couldinterpret that as they were
(34:40):
playing the bag types bagpipes,but we had to turn it down so
that they couldn't be.
You know it's, it's, it's all amind screw in Scientology where
you have to do nonsense andcomply to somebody who's
ordering you to do nonsense andsomehow still live your life and
(35:00):
do your job.
And this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
I'm just like giving them the opportunity to make
themselves look like fools, justlike giving them the
opportunity to make themselveslook like fools.
So because they turned thevolume up every time we chanted
and turned it down and thenturned up again, they made it
clear that the bagpipes were inresponse to us as protesters,
not because they wanted tocreate an atmosphere for people
(35:22):
attending the event.
So we're going through thispublic spaces protection order
process at the moment.
We're going through this publicspaces protection order process
at the moment and as part ofthat, they have to review
whether a ban on protestingwould be necessary and
proportional or whether thereare other alternatives, like can
we come to an arrangement, forexample, standing on one side of
the road or the other?
And during that point, you know, I can bring up all of these
(35:44):
things and say, look, they'reclearly doing this to disrupt
the protesters, and here's thefootage to show it.
And they're doing this anddoing this.
So it's I.
I deliberately played it coolthis year and probably didn't
complain as much as I wouldnormally, because I wanted to
just gather the evidence todemonstrate all of their tactics
.
And they're just there tointerfere with us.
(36:04):
Why are three.
They so scared that you know 3000 attendees are going to be
disrupted by 18 protesters.
There were 11 of us on Sunday.
Like come on guys.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Yeah, you could also use as evidence the speaker.
Tech and bush tech and planttech that they've done in
countless other locations aroundthe world and you can say
Scientology does this everywhere.
There's no reason for bushes tobe here or plants to be here.
This is how they block peoplefrom viewing Scientology
(36:40):
facilities and try to make it so.
There's no place for theprotesters to safely and that is
a key thing.
They try to make it unsafe forthe protesters.
Among everything, that's thetop thing that they do make it
unsafe or uncomfortable for theprotesters to be there.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Yeah, and one of the things I was trying to point out
this year is those precautionsor those things they put in
place that make it unsafe for us, make it unsafe for everybody,
because there's a dark countrylane, so on the sunday, for
example, um, they didn't turn.
They have these big floodlights illuminating the road and
they didn't turn them on.
They claimed it was because theclocks changed overnight
(37:22):
because in the uk we change ourclocks a week before and they
were automatic and and I waslike, no, that's absolutely
rubbish, because you knowthere's, they weren't on
automatic.
They came on different times,on the friday and on the
saturday and the sunday.
When they did come on, itwasn't exactly an hour one side
or the other, so it's just theydidn't want to turn them on
until 20 minutes before theevent started.
(37:43):
But I was making the case thatthat's making it unsafe for the
attendees, for we brought ourown lights, so we were clearly
illuminated.
We had our high-vis jackets andwe put them along the verge, so
our safety was thought aboutbeforehand.
Their games that they're playingis only making it unsafe for
their own people and that'snegligence you know, one of the
(38:04):
things the highways departmentsaid was, if you park cars along
the verge or you obstruct theright of way, that invalidates
your public liability insurance.
So if someone hurts themselves,you're not covered and by law
you can't hold events of thatsize without having the
insurance, and so it's justgiving them, like I said, the
opportunity, and kindness andcompassion is really important
as well, and you know, kindnessand compassion was really
(38:26):
important as well.
But when it comes to peoplewalking along the road and such,
we were actually like pointingthem where to park and we were
saying hey guys, you know, don'twalk in the road, walk on the
verge.
And we have hours and hours offootage of us guiding the
attendees who didn't realize wewere protesters to begin with,
because we weren't shouting intheir faces or anything.
(38:46):
We were saying hey and try andstick to the pavement, don't
walk in the road, there's a carcoming.
And they were like, oh, thankyou very much.
And then we go look, if youever need any help, we're here
to support you.
And they go what?
And then we give them anaftermath card or something and
then suddenly it clicks in theirhead and it was actually a
really beautiful tactic but,like you know, we were trying to
highlight safety was reallyimportant and, for example, one
(39:09):
of the things they did was stopcars outside the gates to let
people out, and then they walkin the road.
And so I made the point to thepolice and the council that
that's unsafe.
They have a huge property withmultiple entrances that they
could be using.
They're not using the coachdrop off point down by the
stables, and that's because allthe staff are probably eating
dinner right now.
(39:29):
They're not using the manorentrance because that's reserved
for L Ron Hubbard, who, by theway, died in 1986.
And this is the only otherentrance and so they're using
that one.
And so we were trying to say,guys, if you drop people off in
the property, then they don'thave to walk past us protesters,
so we cause less disruption andthey're safer.
(39:50):
And Scientology just wouldn'tgo along with it.
And even though that's to ourdetriment, because we want
people walking past us, it showsthat we're prioritizing safety
and again made them look bad allby their own doing.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and I and I don't understand that, like the
many events I attended at StHill, they would always drive
the coach down to the centralarea at the bottom of the St
Hill Green.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
They don't do that anymore because I'm pretty sure
I don't know if it's still thisway but they had the CMO and
that's where Dave hangs out atthe manor and that's sort of
like where, if Tom is there,that's where Tom might stay or
that's where they would keepthose kind of folks.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
It's changed now.
So CMO and CLO are actually onan off site.
They're at a different placenow.
They bought the Fonthill Lodgewhich used to be a school on
Coombe Hill Road, literally justup the road.
They bought that and convertedit.
That's now CLO and CMO.
The stables which used to bebirthing and, you know, eat food
(40:55):
there was, I think the galleywas there.
That and the new Quoll buildingare, you know, quoll now.
So they don't really use it,other than they built this coach
pick up and drop off placewhere the buses run to the
birthing and drop people off inthe morning and pick them up in
the evening.
So it is supposed to be a coachpick up and drop off point but
(41:16):
they don't use it because it'sthe other side of the property
and because that's where all thestaff are going to be eating
their food on, on the RPS orwhatever and the like I said.
The other entrance is the manorwhich is, I imagine, where Tom
Cruise would be staying or DaveMiscavige, and the only other
entrance is the gates where wewere.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Wow, so they won't drop them off at the manor and
then they won't drop them off atthe drop off point.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
No, and if you look at the property, does it make
any sense?
No, you're not going to see itvery well on this, maybe I
should send you if you want tolook it up you can look it up.
But like there is, there is aclear route.
Right, I'm, it's all back tofront for me, but you could
enter on one through oneentrance and drive through the
property and leave through theother.
And I'm not a trafficmanagement expert by any stretch
(41:59):
of the imagination.
But I was trying to say to thecouncil, surely it makes sense
to for everyone to go in, dropthem off and then come out.
But no, they refused to do.
They even hired a trafficmanagement company.
This was another thing.
It was absurd.
They were trying to claim thatlast year protesters standing in
the road was what causeddisruption to the local
community and long tailbacks andcongestions on the on the road
(42:22):
and stuff.
And I was like no, it's becauseof the 3 000 scientologists
coming from all over Europetrying to cram into this
property when they're only usingone entrance.
And so they were like, okay,this year we're going to have a
traffic management company whojust stood in the car park and
told the coaches where to park.
Speaker 1 (42:40):
Oh my gosh, that's what they needed, that's what
they were missing.
It's nuts.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Oh my gosh, it's ridiculous so much nonsense.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
I do appreciate that you were following the local
laws and regulations and beingvery cordial with the law
enforcement that showed up andthat sort of thing.
We want to if people are listen.
I've been protesting since theearly 2000s.
Since the early 2000s, likewhen I got out in 2005,.
(43:14):
I was protesting in 2006 and2007 and 2008 and going forward
when we were when we still livedin Los Angeles, so I'm very
familiar about how, if you areprotesting and you do something
that Scientology can misconstruein any way whatsoever, they
will use that until the end oftime.
They because I attendedanonymous protests in 2007 or
(43:35):
2008 or when 2009, whenever Idid um, I and myself and claire
there's a website that's calledmr and mrs anonymous and it
talks about how we're part ofAnonymous, even though we're not
anonymous.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
So we can't be part of Anonymous.
We're like go word, clear thedefinition of anonymous.
You know who we are.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Anyway, you know what's funny?
Speaker 2 (44:01):
What is wrong with you, Actually?
I?
Speaker 1 (44:02):
want to show this real quick because in 2000,
every year when there would beprotests, at least in Los
Angeles in the United States,when there is a protest, people
take pictures of the protestsigns and then they rank the
protest signs for the year.
And in 2010, this was I don'tknow if they ever did the final
(44:24):
list, but this was the bestprotest sign of 2010 so far.
And it says Conan saved me fromScientology.
And someone sent this to me theother day and I thought
wouldn't it be funny if we kindof could get some of these going
again?
The person who sent me thisasked me if we could track this
(44:44):
person down and if you look here, it says Conan saved me from
Scientology.
And this was during when ConanO'Brien, who's a talk show host
in the United States, in May of2010, he was fired from the show
that he was on the one of thenetworks here, and then there
was a big protest.
Anyway, I don't need to trackthe guy down because, um,
(45:07):
because I still actually havethe sign from that day and, uh,
they unfortunately they took offthe link to my website that was
on there, but, um, I did havethe best protest sign in 2012,
so I know a thing about thatputs my signs to shame, mark,
anyway.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
No, you had great signs, Alex.
I love them.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I didn't have a doll back then I could bring over
today.
I mean just having.
I can't.
When you sent me that link tothe video that you had to put
the doll away, I was like you'vegot to be kidding me.
They know about the doll nowthis is amazing, a doll and
distress.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So for anyone watching, if you don't have your
very own Davy doll, head onover to the spshopcom where you
can get your own SPparaphernalia.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Yeah, I'm tempted to suggest that at the next protest
we all dress up as Captain Davyof the fake Space Navy protest.
We all dress up as captain davyof the fake space navy.
Um, but that's all on hold atthe moment because I mentioned
earlier about the pspo publicspace protection order, just to
to inform you and your audiencelike the protest is over.
(46:21):
But actually the hard work forme now begins, because what is
happening is the council arereviewing.
They were there observing theprotest.
Scientology claimed that ourprotest causes disruption to
local community.
It's persistent.
There are certain criteria thatneed to be met in order to ban
a protest in a certain area, andso the council were observing
(46:43):
it.
They are now reviewing all ofthe evidence.
All the people that attendedthe protest can hand in
statements, and it's alreadyvery one sided because, of
course, they are going to supply3000 statements from
Scientology Scientologistssaying that we disrupted them
and we hurled abuse at them, andthis, that and the other, and
we're going to supply 18statements that say we didn't do
(47:06):
that.
That's why it was important tohave the police there and the
council, and there was a lot ofwork beforehand.
You know, I went down and metwith councillors.
I went down and met, we did asite visit with the police a
week beforehand and we scopedout where we want to stand.
There's a lot of planning thatgoes into it.
Now they're reviewing theevidence.
They then decide in four weekstime whether to go ahead with
(47:27):
public consultation.
If they decide to go ahead withthat, then it opens it up until
I think it's from end ofNovember until the end of
December or beginning of January.
That's when the public will beable to give their views and
then it goes to a vote at thecouncil and they will decide at
the end of january whether ornot to ban the protesting
outside saint hill.
(47:48):
And it's not any protest groupor any protester, it's.
It's actually banning certainactivities.
So they will specify it is nowillegal to hold a sign outside
saint hill or it's illegal tochant things outside.
So it will be a list and thatban will be in place
indefinitely and for a minimumof three years.
(48:09):
And so the pressure a was onover the weekend to show and
demonstrate that we are therewith kindness and compassion,
didn't want to cause disruption.
But b now the pressure is onbecause we now have to go
through all this rigmarole andlegal loopholes.
And if they do implement a PSPO, the appeals process is
straight to the high court.
(48:29):
So it's certainly not somethingto joke around about and I'm
taking it very, very seriously.
But this is the stressful partnow.
So I've taken my two days off,but I've got my work cut out for
me for the next few months.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
And, as I've said, alex, whatever you need, I'm in
as, having grown up in the cadetorg at St Hill.
Whatever testimony I can give,whatever I can do to help, I'm
down for that 100%.
Speaker 3 (48:56):
Thank you.
I appreciate that and Iappreciate got the support of
people over in the States andthere are other UK people.
It does feel like I'm kind offighting alone sometimes, but it
really does mean a lot to knowthat I've got the support of
(49:18):
literally thousands of peopleonline that you know, if it
opens up to public consultation.
You know, I don't know whetherthey'll allow statements from
people abroad or not, butperhaps they will, perhaps they
won't, but there's a communityhere that are offering support.
So it's just about how do weuse that, utilize that support,
because what this is is this isa potential ban and restriction
(49:39):
on free speech, which is a waybigger issue than you know
Scientology it's like that's awhole another kettle of fish,
totally yeah okay is thereanything else we?
Speaker 1 (49:52):
need to cover, or should we do some?
Uh, read some comments and dosome giveaways?
Speaker 2 (49:56):
yeah, let's go through the comments I
highlighted a bunch, so you pullthem up, honey.
I'll read them and, alex, youcan respond.
Sure, all right, buck buddyquestion.
Can you apply for temporary noparking on the road in front of
your protest for next year?
Speaker 3 (50:11):
yeah, so we did that last year.
Actually, I had a temporaryroad closure in place, um, and
it was approved, and thenscientology meddled and they got
a counselor whose name, I kidyou not, is dick sweat man.
Um, he's the local councillorthat scientology loved.
So they they, you know calledup dick and he basically tried
to stop the temporary roadclosure, um, and then it got
(50:34):
cancelled and then it wasreinstated in the morning.
So there was a lot of back andforth.
We ended up having the roadclosure permit, but we didn't
enforce it because what we'dagreed with the police instead
was that they would give us arolling escort down the road so
that causes less disruption tothe local community.
We can't restrict traffic andaccess to properties, so the
(50:55):
road closure all that does isjust give us a little bit more
space to protect protesters.
So we came up with thisagreement with the police and
that's what we did again thisyear and if we're allowed to do
it, we'll do it again next year,because it's, overall, keeps us
safe and we can be on publicland.
I think ideally there would bemaybe an extended space, maybe
we can close a small portion ofone of the lanes, maybe, um, but
(51:20):
that's a discussion for nextyear okay, sounds good.
Speaker 2 (51:25):
Dr x in the house.
Quick hello from paul and I.
Real world beckons clinicaltrials and world first surgery.
Well done to alex sp chef andall the protesters involved in
the is protest wow, thank you,dr x.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
Dr x is awesome she completely.
Speaker 2 (51:43):
Uh, love food kitchen .
I really must join alex nextyear.
It's been 15 years since I lastprotested saint hill and,
although I suspect without theguy fox mask, they'll suddenly
stop inviting me to events thereyes probably good, good chance
of that.
Uh, socky mcsockface.
The only other things I knowhundreds of people go into a
(52:04):
tent to see somethingentertaining is a circus that's
not another thing.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
That is that.
That is what it is yep,completely kaz.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Hey, greetings from melbourne, australia.
Uh, mary k, london.
Hi everyone from new mexico,hello, and bach buddy.
Hello from minnesota.
Sorry, I tagged a bunch of oneshi from west virginia at the
beginning of where we peoplewere joining us from.
So there you go.
Uh, echoplex media.
(52:33):
Alex is just super nice, that'swhy he's good at talking to
people.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
There you go, alex thank you, I appreciate that
love it comment.
Speaker 2 (52:41):
impressed with alex skill at talking and debating
with everyone.
Yes, indeed, great job.
Speaker 3 (52:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Danielle Chamberlain in the house Question Do you
know if they have a PRS license?
Alex?
Speaker 3 (52:55):
I got them in trouble for that last year.
So PRS is the.
I don't know what it exactlystands for.
I think it's public recordservice or something like that.
Essentially, if you want toplay music in the uk, you have
to have a prs license as abusiness, whether that's playing
live music or recorded musicover a speaker system.
If you are running a shop andyou just want to have music
(53:17):
playing over, like a radiostation or something, you have
to have a license for it.
It's not expensive and you knowit's.
It goes towards paying rightsfor the musicians that made the
music and so obviously they'replaying copyrighted music over
the loudspeakers.
They play music at these events.
They have live performers.
Even though the jive aces aretheir own band, they still have
(53:38):
to have a prs license for thejive aces to officially play
their own songs on the propertyand so yeah, looked it up last
year, they they did not have aPRS license.
I reported them for it.
I don't know, off the top of myhead, if they had one in place
for this year.
I would imagine they did.
But you can look it up online,wow.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
There you go.
Catherine Olson, I think theytry to do things in the UK that
are easy to get away with in theUS and it can backfire big time
because the laws are different,exactly.
Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the UK is in the Scientology
world.
I don't know if you guys agreewith this, but most of the
people I've spoken to said thatthe UK are always known for
doing things a little bitdifferently in terms of the orgs
and like not following ordersand we're just doing our own
thing anyway, because it's StHill it'son's home, um, and so
they are definitely trying that.
But there are some things thatthey they've tried all over the
(54:30):
world, like we were talkingabout earlier the obstructions
and the bush tech and the soundtech.
But, yeah, the I think becauseI've spent so much time
educating counselors and the lawenforcement and building
relationships with these people,I've been able to educate them
and say, hey, this is whatthey're going to do, this is why
they're say, hey, this is whatthey're going to do, this is why
they're going to do it, this ishow they're going to justify it
(54:50):
.
And that kind of prepares themso that when Scientology claim
that we're harassing them, I'vealready got in place to counsel
people, to make sure they'rethere to observe it themselves,
to see that we're not harassingthem, and I think that work
beforehand is really important,and so I think that's why
they're not getting away with itso much this year.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Yep, I 100% agree that that type of work is so, so
important.
Marla Dillard, all in Neverin100.
There you go.
Speaker 3 (55:20):
Thank you.
Yes, we need the support ofNeverins.
There's not many.
X-sign holders so the more helpwe can get, the better.
Danielle's here.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
Thank you, danielle, good to see you here we love
danielle danielle's lovely, allright, uh, coffee milk dude,
thank you.
Thanks for joining us.
Salty beach girl, laurie.
Alex, my friend, you were builtfor this.
Your temper temperature is onpoint.
(55:50):
I think she meant tempertemperament thank you, he's hot,
he's doing okay, sure,temperament and temperature they
.
Speaker 3 (56:02):
They certainly do try , and this is one thing I will
give scientology credit for.
This right is doings.
Spending so many hours in thecourse room doing TRs.
It does prepare you to be ableto deal with stuff that they
throw at you in the real world.
And so when they're, you knowcoming up and shouting in my
face and you know trying to usewords that they know are my
(56:24):
buttons to get me to react.
You know trying to use wordsthat they know are my buttons to
get me to react and where mostpeople would kind of lose their
minds a bit when someone comesup to and says you're alarming
and distressing, and you knowthat is funny.
But being able to hold it infor a minute and have a sensible
conversation about it, I thinkgoes a long way.
That's the only thing I'll givethem credit for, and that's
because of my TRs.
But but I would.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I would counter that because I understand but.
But let's just call a spade aspade, what?
What Scientologist is out hereright now having a having a
conversation and answeringquestions and anything else.
So I would beg to differ to saythat sure you got some
experience in in scientology,but the catalyst of leaving has
(57:08):
motivated you to become astronger person oh, absolutely.
Speaker 3 (57:12):
And if I hadn't have been in scientology, I wouldn't
have needed to use those trs indealing with the police and such
.
So yes, you know, of course.
Speaker 1 (57:21):
Japan gable says she knows what prs stands for.
Speaker 2 (57:24):
Preclear rundown suck , there you go.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
I think it's Performer's Rights Service.
I think, oh, that makes sense,that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, they have the same thing here in terms of
licensing, like restaurants andthings like that.
It's a software licensing formusic and stuff.
Speaker 1 (57:46):
Yeah, Okay, if you haven't entered, if you're just
joining us in the comments andyou haven't commented with a
hashtag BFG in the commentsbelow, please do so.
We are about to do the drawing,we're going to put it up here
and then, alex, you just, I'mgoing to say, you just have to
(58:07):
actually just tell me when topush that button.
Draw, that's easy.
And then okay.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
So if you yeah, put in your hashtag BFG give.
We'll give it a couple ofminutes.
I already see that numberbouncing up.
Speaker 1 (58:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (58:19):
Well, it's good.
There's also there's also adelay.
I've I've used this tool beforeand it's really good, but I've
noticed there's a good five, 10second delay before you showing
something on the on the screenand you getting the live chats
through.
So it's it's good to leave it asecond before hit and draw.
Okay, perfect, which we've done.
Where are we at with numbersnow?
(58:39):
Do we need to draw?
Speaker 1 (58:40):
60 people have entered, that's 61.
There you go, go it's going,it's catching up.
Go ahead and do one.
How many are we doing claire?
Uh, we'll do two okay, good,we'll do two two for uh the leah
bubble yeah, and just soeverybody knows and I'll riff
for just a second here we had awin, we had some winners.
In the last video that we didon, which was it was actually
(59:01):
yesterday, was on sunday right.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
We did that yesterday two days ago sat this tuesday
it's tuesday.
Speaker 1 (59:06):
Yeah, I lost a day somewhere.
Speaker 2 (59:08):
Um, anyway, um, that's what happens when we work
too much you're succumbing tomessed mark.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
Yes, some of those winners um donated their prize
to this prize yes, they paid itforward, so yes, I think it was
kp123 that I rememberspecifically.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
Yes, you did Very good job.
Speaker 3 (59:28):
All right, let's draw , let's do one Perfect, I'm
doing it.
Speaker 2 (59:31):
And no, joanna, upper or lowercase does not matter.
Right, right, mark.
Speaker 1 (59:37):
It just has to be hashtag BFG.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
Perfect.
Speaker 1 (59:41):
There you go, jean Gal, jean Gal, there we go.
Speaker 2 (59:44):
Well done, well, there you go, jean gal, there we
go.
Well done, jean gal.
Hey send me an email, claire,at blown for goodcom, with your
address, and we will get thatshipped off to you.
Awesome, okay.
Speaker 3 (59:55):
Also, before we do the next one, I wanted to say as
well, thank you to to theaftermath foundation for giving
I don't know if you can, it'snot the best view, the best for
you, but we were wearing theset-shirts for the entire protest,
um, which have the uk phonenumber on them, and um, we're
giving out cards with qr codesand that sort of thing and um,
you know, it's just really goodto have those resources.
So, thank you to you guys, orthanks to the aftermath, for
(01:00:17):
providing those, because it'sreally important to make sure
those resources are, you know,available yes, very definitely.
Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Thank you for sharing and doing the work and and
helping us get the message out.
We appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Okay, we're ready.
Sure Again, let's go Poof.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
I like how it hangs on those last ones.
Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Oh, I know, I know oh .
Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
I know, oh, he makes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Oh my gosh Awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Well done Ellen.
Yeah, yes.
Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Congratulations, ellen.
Send me an email, claire, atblown for goodcom with your
address, and we will get yourLeah bobblehead shipped off to
you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Awesome.
Well, I think we did good.
Thank you very much for joiningus today, alex.
Thank you.
I really appreciate, like wesaid, all the everything that
you're doing, and it really doesmatter when you've got, you
know, multiple Scientologyorganizations all around the
world.
It's hard to have somebody inthe spot when they're doing it
(01:01:30):
that's able to do it without,you know, causing a lot of
nonsense.
So you were able to do that andI think it's it's important.
Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Well, thank you, but, like I said earlier, I couldn't
do it without the support ofeverybody else and I wouldn't be
here if it weren't for peoplelike you guys coming before me
and doing this for years beforeI ever even joined Scientology.
And you know, people likeBonnie Woods came along for the
protest on the Friday to havethat experience, and the
knowledge and all the groundworkthat's been put in place before
(01:01:59):
I came along is is really,really valuable.
So I want to throw that backand say thank you to you guys as
well.
Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Awesome.
Well, thank you.
Thank you, alex, amazing workand, like I said, whatever you
need to keep this alive and keepit going, we're in.
Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Thank you.
Just don't cause alarm anddistress.
Just be careful.
Speaker 1 (01:02:21):
Yeah, get your Davy doll, get your TRs in, put your
manners back in.
Somebody said they didn't winbecause they had too many BTs.
No, you want more BTs, more BTs.
You don't have enough BTs?
Bt powers activate, right.
Yeah, there you go.
Go get power Thaitans.
(01:02:42):
Thanks everybody who joined.
We'll do this again.
We wanted to do this becauseAlex just kind of finished up.
Go for it.
If you want a Davy doll or Leahbobblehead or a Mike bobblehead
(01:03:05):
or any of those things, it'lltell you how to do all that in
the outro.
Anyway, thanks again, alex.
Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
Thank you, Alex.
Talk to you soon.
Until next time, guys.
Bye.
Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
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Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
All right, awesome, that was perfect.
Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Yeah, it says we're still live.
I did it.
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