We Answer Your Big Questions About Xenu, OT Levels, Shelly, And Life After Escaping Scientology - Scientology Secrets #21 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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SPEAKER_03 (00:25):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good, Scientology
Exposed.
I'm joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.

SPEAKER_01 (00:35):
Hey, hey, hey.
Thanks for joining us this veryfine Sunday from someplace
located deep in the heart ofColorado.

SPEAKER_03 (00:44):
Yeah, we had a real busy week this week.
Um we have um we have a lot ofuh questions from last week's
stream that we want to uh answertoday.
And we'll and once we go throughthose, if you guys have got
questions, uh we can answerthose as well.

SPEAKER_00 (00:59):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00):
And um if you put a comment down below, you will
automatically be entered in todo a Davy doll giveaway that
we're gonna do at the end.
Um we were just I was just telltelling Claire I found I was
cleaning up, we were cleaning upthe house, and I found this
little guy here.
And uh he is at the exact samesize as the Davy dolls.

SPEAKER_01 (01:22):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:22):
But what what is it?

SPEAKER_01 (01:24):
He's um a little dude that we got at the Roll
Doll Museum.
What one time we were visitingEngland.

SPEAKER_02 (01:30):
Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:32):
And at the time our middle son was a huge fan of
Roll Doll books.
Um we did remember we when wewere in London, they had that
whole um the BFG, not to beconfused with Blown for Good.
That's right.
BFG as in the big friendlygiants.

SPEAKER_03 (01:48):
They had all those glasses.

SPEAKER_01 (01:49):
Yes, they had like this whole treasure hunt all
through London um with like thethe the uh dream bubbles or
whatever they're called.
Dream jars, yes, exactly.
So we went on that whole hunt uhfor our son, which he they I
mean, all the boys loved it, buthe is.

SPEAKER_02 (02:06):
You found a lot of them.

SPEAKER_01 (02:07):
We did, we found a lot of them, and then we went to
the museum in the town whereRoll Doll was born, and uh we
got that little dude.

SPEAKER_03 (02:17):
Nice, yep.
Okay, cool.
Um, you want to uh jam in wherethese people are coming from
here?
I'll I'll uh I'll uh show themand you read them.

SPEAKER_01 (02:27):
Yep, sounds like a plan.
Uh Gretsch L966, hi all joiningfrom Philadelphia.
Brian, it's a great day to be anSP in rainy Portland, Oregon.
Yes, it is a great day.
Uh Megan is a cat.
Hello from North Dakota.
Mary Kay is joining us.

(02:48):
Happy Sunday from Albuquerque,New Mexico.
Good to see you, Mary Kay.
Thanks for joining us on theregular.

SPEAKER_03 (02:54):
I wonder if they could see the northern lights
down there in New Mexico.
We could see here in Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 (02:58):
Our friends said they they could see them down
there too.
Uh Carla Green, hi from the UK.
Katie D watching from CountyGalway, Ireland.
Hi, everyone.
Nice.
Wow.

SPEAKER_03 (03:09):
It's Galway gal.

SPEAKER_01 (03:11):
Yes.
Uh Queen of the Silver Dollar,hi everyone, checking in from
Illinois.
Queen of the Silver.
Olga Alice, who is Zenu?
We all know who he is.
He is Mark's homeboy.
That's right.
Boom.

SPEAKER_03 (03:24):
BDs activate.

SPEAKER_01 (03:26):
Catherine Olson in the house.
Hi, people.

SPEAKER_03 (03:29):
Hey, Catherine.

SPEAKER_01 (03:31):
Poodlebone, hello from New York City.
Clara is in the house.
Happy Sunday, everyone.
Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 (03:38):
Thank you to Clara and uh Catherine for jamming in
the uh keeping track of thechat.

SPEAKER_01 (03:43):
Yes.
Valerie Trott, hi from BC, goChiefs.

SPEAKER_03 (03:48):
Okay, now hold on a second.
We when my grand when my dadlived here, when Grandpa Bernie
was living with us, we would beokay with the Chiefs, but he's
moved on and we're back.

SPEAKER_01 (03:59):
But he's still with us on this day, and he's still
rooting for the Chiefs.
Let's just call a spade a spade.

SPEAKER_03 (04:04):
But we're back to Bronco.
Let's ride.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (04:08):
We never had a uh, let's shall we say, peaceful day
in our house when Grandpa wasliving with us because he would
um retire to his room to watchthe Chiefs and root for the
Chiefs while we rooted for theBroncos.

SPEAKER_03 (04:21):
They lost every time against the Chiefs.
He'd come up during cat halftimein the game.
Oh my gosh.
Quite the game happened inthere.

SPEAKER_01 (04:27):
We would be reading his thought bubbles.
We're like, we're notappreciating your negative
energy here.
Jamie Perks, hi from rainysouthern Utah.
Good to see you, Jamie.
Joseph Brian Stanley, greetingsfrom sunny Speedway, Indiana.
Nice.
Audi Zebra, hi from Malden,England.
Thanks for the Europe-friendlytiming.

(04:48):
Yes, we try.

SPEAKER_03 (04:49):
We try, yeah.
It's really just Broncos gamedependent.
If they have a late afternoongame or an early afternoon, then
we we can do it early.
Exactly.
They do these early games.

SPEAKER_01 (04:58):
Yep.
Jerome PG was up from Chicago.
What's up?
Sherry, hi everyone fromMoorhead, Minnesota.

SPEAKER_02 (05:07):
Hmm.

SPEAKER_01 (05:08):
Sorry.
Apostate Alex in the house, BTBusting in Charge, International
Association of SuppressivePeople in the UK reporting for
duty.

SPEAKER_03 (05:17):
Alex, hey Alex.

SPEAKER_01 (05:19):
There we go.

SPEAKER_03 (05:21):
He's been a busy, busy boy these last few months.
Of course.

SPEAKER_01 (05:25):
We SP is we keep very busy.

SPEAKER_03 (05:27):
Holy moly.

SPEAKER_01 (05:29):
Absolutely.
Terry, hi from a very windyPittsburgh.
Trevanon, good evening from theNetherlands.
Hi, Trevenon.
Hello from Tuolemy.

SPEAKER_03 (05:41):
Okay, you say.

SPEAKER_01 (05:43):
Magda, hello from Washington.
Manon, hi all.
Finally catching alive againfrom the Netherlands.
Yay.
Good to see you here.
Netherlands, folks.
Jack Shaw, hello from RainyHenderson, Nevada.
Will, hello from Alpine, Texas.
Nice.
Thanks for being here.
Aline Levin, hello fromPhiladelphia.

(06:06):
Retro Cara, hi from wet andwindy West Sussex, UK.
Oh, that's my neck of the woods.
Yeah.
Well, my second neck of thewoods after Manchester.
Olga from Milwaukee, Oregon.
All right.

SPEAKER_03 (06:20):
Wow, I never heard of that.

SPEAKER_01 (06:21):
Mario Von Motz, greets from Greats from Berlin.
December Topaz 22.
Happy Sunday from West Virginia.
Nice.
Hello from upstate New York.
No one nowhere.
Hello from Earth.
My BTs are working overtimetoday.
Vicky, hi from Clearwater,Florida.

SPEAKER_03 (06:42):
Okay, we're gonna jam through there.
People are jamming in here.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Hello, Peterman.
Heather Peterman, hello fromLouisiana.
Ryan, hello from Rainy, SanDimas, Southern California.
Cherry Blossom and Bees, hi, hifrom Germany.
Allie, hi all from Ali Harvey inEngland.
Nice.
Thanks for being here.

SPEAKER_03 (07:00):
Yeah.
Oh, somebody sent somebody wascommenting.

SPEAKER_01 (07:03):
Aposte Alex looks like a troll.
Perfect to be sitting next toDavy.
Trolls live under bridges.
Yes, exactly.
He is a troll.
Or, you know, whatever.
Good afternoon from Loveland.

SPEAKER_02 (07:14):
Hey.

SPEAKER_01 (07:15):
Hey, hey.
Robert Sandy Beach.
Hi from Atlantic City, NewJersey.
Queen of the Silver Dollar.
Hello from Illinois.
Sunny but chilly.
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (07:25):
Okay, we got it.
Oh, one last one from Cherry.

SPEAKER_01 (07:27):
All right, Catherine joining from the Will Ammet
Valley, Oregon.
We got fan mail saying, thankyou for pronouncing that right.
Will ammet, dammit.
They're like, Will am it, damnit.
That's how you can remember.
I'm like, oh, good one.
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (07:43):
Cool, cool, cool.
So I guess is there anythingelse that was happening that we
wanted to talk about?
I I thought we had we hadsometimes we talk about things
like, oh, we should bring thisup on the next thing, and then
we totally uh sometimes weforget to update our shared
note.

SPEAKER_01 (08:00):
It's all but it's okay.
We had a busy week.
Lots of good things happening.
Um after this episode, if youwant to pop over to the Michael
J.
Render Aftermath FoundationYouTube channel, we have Phil
and I recorded an episode thisweek that we'll be premiering
after this show.
Um and we talk about the first72 hours after Escape, what's

(08:24):
most important?
Oh wow.
Yeah, it was a greatconversation.

SPEAKER_03 (08:27):
That sounds like a good one.

SPEAKER_01 (08:28):
Yes, very, very fun.

SPEAKER_03 (08:30):
Okay, well, I guess we'll get into the comments then
from last week.

SPEAKER_01 (08:34):
So um so do we want to reorient for anyone who
didn't see last week, maybe?

SPEAKER_03 (08:40):
Um sure, I guess so.
So basically, uh we covered uhthe secret bases of Scientology,
and then last week we covered uhthe Xenu story of Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 (08:53):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (08:54):
And um, for those who don't know, um Scientology
believed that we're all infestedwith space aliens, and that that
this was all due to this uhgalactic overlord Xenu bringing
all these people to Earth anddumping them into volcanoes and
a whole bunch of fun stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (09:14):
So if you missed the video to resolve an
overpopulation issue 76 millionyears ago.

SPEAKER_03 (09:21):
I thought it was 75.

SPEAKER_01 (09:23):
75, 76.
Let's get it straight here.
Um we have teenagers, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 (09:31):
Oh gosh.
Anyway.
Um dear.
So there was we could we didcover a lot of questions, and
some of these we might havetouched on a little, but then
basically we went through allthe uh questions that we didn't
think we answered or we didn'tanswer a lot, and uh Claire
jammed those into a thing herefor us.

SPEAKER_01 (09:50):
Yes.
Because as we said, our newformat is we cover a topic and
then the following week we do QAabout that.

SPEAKER_03 (09:56):
It's just too hard to do um uh much of any
substance if we spend the wholevideo answering questions and
trying to cover the subject.
So we'll just do we're trying tosplit it up a little and if
we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 (10:08):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (10:08):
Who knows?
It's it's easier to do twoone-hour videos than one
two-hour video.
For sure.
And people don't watch themanyway.
Based on the analytics, there'sonly about half you guys that
are subscribed somehow.
Anyway.

SPEAKER_01 (10:22):
That's all good.
You know what?
You do you.

SPEAKER_03 (10:24):
Okay.
So science tells you secrets QA.

SPEAKER_01 (10:27):
All right, here we go.
SPTV Junkie.
Do you know if Bob Ferris isstill at Int Base?

SPEAKER_03 (10:34):
I think he is.
I mean, we don't have any otherindication that he's not, but um
yeah, it's hard to figure outwho's there currently.
Yep.
Because we only get um, likethere's like a public records
thing that shows voterregistration and stuff like
that.
We get those every few years.

SPEAKER_01 (10:51):
Yeah, one year we even got uh, and this was a few
years ago, somebody sent us umthat there was a 5k somewhere in
that area.

SPEAKER_02 (10:59):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (10:59):
But Bob Ferris is definitely not running a 5K.
Um, but the people, it wasinteresting to see the people
that participated in that racebecause they were some of the
people that will always probablyparticipate in those races, like
the Pablo, what was his name?
Pablo uh Lopez.
Pablo, anyway, and uh ChloeRussell and a few other people.

(11:24):
You know, they they they doevery once in a while, when
things are not awful, do thingslocally to try and you know
create public area control.
Yes, exactly.
CRO.
Like, oh yeah, we're great, werun 5Ks.

SPEAKER_03 (11:37):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (11:39):
Uh Becky says, I wonder if Shelly's lodgings are
fancy or if she is just inregular Sea Org accommodation
now.

SPEAKER_03 (11:46):
Regular.

SPEAKER_01 (11:46):
Regular for sure.

SPEAKER_03 (11:48):
Yeah, she didn't.
I mean, even it's funny becausewhen you when we were in the Sea
Org, I used to think that theyhad a lot of fancy stuff um in
their door, in their birthing,and in their building and all
that.
Just because we didn't haveanything.
Right.
We it was like very, very andalso um I grew up poor.

(12:08):
I did too.
So we didn't have a lot offurniture and a lot of
knick-knacks, and we didn't theour apartment wasn't decorated.
There wasn't a lot of stuff upon the walls.
It was bare bones.

SPEAKER_00 (12:20):
No.

SPEAKER_03 (12:21):
So they they had okay stuff.
Maybe some of it was nice.
There was a lot of expensivestuff, but it wasn't always it
wasn't when we now I go like,eh, whatever.
They it's not it wasn't thatgreat compared to how you know
we have a house and we have nicethings, but it's sort of like,
okay, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 (12:42):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (12:43):
They had a little tiny apartment in when they
lived in the villas.

SPEAKER_01 (12:46):
Yeah, I mean, Shelly had access to you know, between
the gifts that they wouldreceive that she and and Miss
and Ms.
Govage would receive forChristmas and Miscavage.

SPEAKER_03 (12:57):
Somebody wrote in and said, Let's get back to
calling it Miss Cavage.

SPEAKER_01 (13:01):
Yeah, they were like, Thank you so much for
everything you do.
I really like listening to you,but can we please get back to
Miscavage?
I was like, that's funny.

SPEAKER_03 (13:10):
Anyway, I just think it's a it's it's all relative.
It is.
And so, yes, they do have a lotof expensive stuff, but I don't
think that where she is now, shehas a lot of expensive stuff.
She might have been able to takesome of her things with her.

SPEAKER_01 (13:26):
Yeah, but as we talked about, she wasn't even
allowed to take her beagles withher.

SPEAKER_03 (13:30):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:31):
So that's true.

SPEAKER_03 (13:32):
We did talk about that in the other video.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (13:36):
Question What was Russ Bellin like?
I've heard some horrible storiesabout things he did in the
whole.
Was he always like that or washe driven to it by the abuse?
I'm wondering if we're doing thewrong slides here.

SPEAKER_03 (13:48):
What do you mean?

SPEAKER_01 (13:49):
Because I thought we already did these from this was
from the CST.
That's what I said.
Yeah, it's all good.

SPEAKER_03 (13:58):
That's what I said.

SPEAKER_01 (13:58):
Yeah, no, I know.

SPEAKER_03 (13:59):
It's guys, I said I thought some of these slides.

SPEAKER_01 (14:03):
I should have looked at them.

SPEAKER_03 (14:04):
We can do.
It's fine.

SPEAKER_01 (14:05):
It's fine.
Either way.
Hold on.

SPEAKER_03 (14:07):
Let's get them.

SPEAKER_01 (14:08):
Okay.
All right.
Well, while while you do that,we'll talk about I'll answer
this question in the interim.
Um, Russ Bellin was generally anokay person in the years that we
were there, but in the lateryears when he became part of um
David Miscovaj's inner circle,he was under a lot of pressure,
and I think the nastier sides ofhim started coming out.

(14:30):
That's generally what happenswith the executives um or people
close to um the top ofScientology is it becomes a dog
eat dog world, and you eithercomply and do what's demanded of
you, or you end up in therehabilitation project force
doing heavy manual labor andintense security checking.

(14:52):
So interrogations, blah, blah.
Yep, that's my answer to thatquestion.

SPEAKER_03 (14:58):
Okay, here.
I'm gonna put you back here andyou can um answer some questions
in the chat if you want.

SPEAKER_01 (15:02):
I'm gonna I got what we needed.
Okay, perfect.
We're all good, guys.
Sorry about that.
It's uh I knew it.

SPEAKER_03 (15:09):
I knew it.
I knew I should have justtrusted my heart from the start.

SPEAKER_01 (15:14):
Your heart from the start.
Um Okay.
Uh here we go.
Aline says, Where is Shelly?
Has anyone seen her lately?
Nope.
No, there have been no recentsightings.
Um to our knowledge, she isstill tucked away under guard at

(15:35):
any one of a handful of remoteproperties that are owned and
controlled by Church ofSpiritual Technology known as
CST.

SPEAKER_03 (15:44):
Cool.
Um, I'm trying to jam this inhere.

SPEAKER_01 (15:48):
Yeah, it's all good.
No worries.

SPEAKER_03 (15:52):
Stop playing.
Nice with the case.

SPEAKER_01 (15:54):
We had the uh here, I'll keep going on the I can't
do it without doing it.

SPEAKER_03 (16:02):
So here hold on, let's just see.
This is like so silly.
It won't do it on that screenfor some reason.
So let me just see if I can jamit in.

SPEAKER_01 (16:10):
Oh, okay, no worries.
What are we doing here?

SPEAKER_03 (16:17):
Do your what do whatever you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 (16:19):
Oh, okay, there we go.
Yay! We got it now.
Who is Zenu the QA?

SPEAKER_03 (16:25):
Oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (16:26):
No, you're good.
Okay, there we go.
Now we're back on track.

SPEAKER_03 (16:31):
Okay, here you go.

SPEAKER_01 (16:32):
All right, Linda Golan says, where do your body
thetans go when you leaveScientology?
Do they jump on someone else?

SPEAKER_03 (16:38):
Yeah, they do.

SPEAKER_01 (16:41):
They do.

SPEAKER_03 (16:41):
Where do your When they get rid of their BTs?

SPEAKER_01 (16:44):
But yeah, but when you leave Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (16:46):
Oh, then you get to you get to keep as many as you
want.

SPEAKER_01 (16:48):
You get But you know what this reminded me of is how
David Miskovaj was alwayscompletely paranoid about um
like other executives who hedeemed were non-compliant, yes,
that he didn't want their bodythetans to jump on him.
That's I just this question justrandomly reminded me of that.

SPEAKER_03 (17:09):
Yes, David Miscavige.
So bizarre.

SPEAKER_01 (17:10):
He was paranoid about getting a bad body thetan
on on uh attached to him.
Yeah, from SPC org members.
Right, exactly.
Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 (17:21):
Yeah, what amazing psychopath.
Um here, let me get rid of thisbanner.
Um yes, that's right.
Yeah, that was a big thing.
And he also, um, this is a thingthat happened at the very end
when we were there where he wasputting these copper rods into
the ground.

SPEAKER_00 (17:36):
Yeah, we've talked about that before.

SPEAKER_03 (17:45):
I never read anything about that, so I don't
know if that's on the upperlevels and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 (17:49):
But but they had the Scientology has a big thing too
about that.
Um if you if you succumb to likebad intentions, like you're
trying to escape, they call forthe upper levels, it's called
freewheeling, which is where thebody thetans just kind of run
out of control and you knowyou're no longer your case is

(18:12):
taken over.
Yeah.
So for example, when I was inthe Las Vegas bus station, yeah,
Greg Wilhair tried to tell me,Oh, you're you're freewheeling.

SPEAKER_03 (18:24):
Really?

SPEAKER_01 (18:25):
Yeah, and I was like, no, I'm not.
I'm escaping.

SPEAKER_03 (18:29):
Oh, like your body thetans are controlling you
right now.

SPEAKER_01 (18:31):
Get your case under control.
Yeah.
Get your knock off your case onpost, that's what they say, and
uh get your butt back to the impbase.
And I was like, hello.
Are the volcanoes surroundingareas places that current
Scientologists avoid?
Thanks for the good question,Poodlebone.
No, because the majority ofScientologists don't even know

(18:53):
about what's on the upperlevels.
They definitely don't ever talkabout it.

SPEAKER_03 (18:57):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (18:58):
So I that was just not a thing.

SPEAKER_03 (19:00):
So, like if you're like, hey, I'm heading out to
Hawaii, everyone's like, I don'tknow, there's a lot of BTs over
there.

SPEAKER_01 (19:06):
No, because they're not still there.

SPEAKER_03 (19:08):
That's just where the but I'm just saying, that's
like a ground zero for BTfucking infestation.

SPEAKER_01 (19:15):
Yeah, exactly.
It wouldn't surprise me if ifcertain Scientologists believed
that they got things stirred upas a result of being in
proximity of those if they hadreached the upper levels.
But um, okay.
Next question.
If David Muscovaj don't believein Scientology, how he spends
money to reserve it, odd.

SPEAKER_03 (19:34):
Preserve it.

SPEAKER_01 (19:35):
Preserve it, yeah.
Yep.
Well, it's power, powerleverage.

SPEAKER_03 (19:39):
He's gotta play the game.

SPEAKER_01 (19:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (19:41):
He's gotta play the game.
If he's and also, you guys gottadig.
The they have this thing, thiscampaign that they run in
Scientology called thepreservation of the tech
campaign.
So they they they are spendingmoney on doing all these things,
but it's almost a lot of it'scoming from donations from

(20:01):
people, millions and millions ofdollars.
These these richie rich TomCummins and um what's the uh the
ad vie, the drug guy, uh Duggan,Bill uh is it Bill Duggan?
Bob Bob Duggan and his wifeTrish.

SPEAKER_01 (20:18):
His former wife, Trish.

SPEAKER_03 (20:19):
Yeah, his former, his ex-wife, Trish.

SPEAKER_01 (20:21):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (20:22):
They confirmed in a in a in an interview that
they've donated over 400 milliondollars to Scientology.
400 million.
Just them, just one couple.
So it's a lot of dough.

SPEAKER_01 (20:35):
Yep.
All right, sorry, let me getback there.
Full of questions.
Barbara, did he haveexplanations for fossils of
dinosaur dinosaurs, etc.?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (20:45):
No, he doesn't even really get into the dinosaurs at
all.
That's just kind of not reallyso if there was there's been
like four documented extinctionevents on Earth over, you know,
millions and millions of years.
The BTs are they don't, they'regood.
They don't uh they don't care ifthere's a flood or there's a
medium.

SPEAKER_01 (21:05):
They're not part of the physical universe.

SPEAKER_03 (21:07):
I understand, but I mean that's a lot of turmoil for
uh you know, if you're justhanging out.

SPEAKER_01 (21:14):
I never asked a lot of questions.
Did L.
Ron Hubbard believe this crapever?

SPEAKER_03 (21:19):
I think he really did believe it.

SPEAKER_01 (21:20):
But I think he did because he was psychotic.

SPEAKER_03 (21:23):
But I think it started out.
Um it started out like he waskind of going a little
wack-a-doodle.
Right.
No, there's um I don't know ifthey're still around, but years
and years and years ago,somebody sent me a DVD or a CD
or something of all of Hubbard'sFBI files.

(21:44):
A lot of it was the stuff thatthey raided in the 70s, but a
lot of it was all the way backin from when he was in the
military and he first startedkind of stirring up trouble with
Scientology.
And there's a whole bunch ofcrazy stuff in there about his
wife.
He tried he tried to basicallythrow Sarah, his second second

(22:06):
wife?

SPEAKER_01 (22:07):
Uh I can't remember.
Anyway, it was his second one.

SPEAKER_03 (22:11):
Yeah, it was his second wife that he never had.
So when he who was on the triedto throw her under the bus and
say she was the one that lefthis baby in a car, not him, and
all these other things.
And it it was just like and hewas and and she was saying that
he was schizophrenic.
And he had actually beendiagnosed by psychiatrist as
schizophrenic.

(22:32):
And he was basically uh, youknow, a couple sandwiches short
of a picnic when he startedthinking about Dianetics.

SPEAKER_01 (22:40):
Right.
And that's where when youlisten, when, you know, during
the years that we were inScientology, listening to all of
his lectures, he would drone onand on and on about this
happened and this happened, thishappened.
And then you read his true lifehistory in Bareface Messiah by
Russell Miller, and you're like,wait, what?
Yeah, he was basically trulybelieved the stories that he was

(23:00):
told.

SPEAKER_03 (23:01):
But he was like, everyone's after me.

SPEAKER_01 (23:03):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (23:04):
And all these plots are happening.
Yes.
He got beat up a bunch of times.
And one of these five with thethere's a letter that he wrote.
I'll see if I can find it, butthere's a letter that he wrote
to the FBI.

SPEAKER_01 (23:17):
Yeah, I saw that.

SPEAKER_03 (23:19):
And it was basic, it was like it's pages and pages
long.
And it's it's funny if you readit or uh knowing what he says
about Scientology and being avictim and all these other
things.
It's like, dude, you're like thebiggest victim of all.
Like all he got beat up, he gotmugged, he got jumped, he got
put in jail, he got arrested forfraud, he all these things

(23:41):
happening.
He's like, I don't I don't evenknow what's going on.
I didn't do anything.
And you're just like, you justlisted eight pages of stuff
that's happened to you becauseyou didn't do anything.
Yeah, that's the most it's kindof crazy when you s when you
read this and you're like,there's a string of nonsense
that's happening to one personfull time for for a decade, but

(24:04):
he didn't do anything.
He has no idea how all thisstuff happened to him.
And you're just like, dude,yeah, you're doing up to
nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 (24:12):
Completely delusional.
Like the biggest thing that Ithat really hit me was um, so
when we worked at the property,we had access to source
information retrieval.
It was called SIR, which was acomputerized library where every
like thousands and thousands andthousands of documents, all the
lecture transcripts, all thisstuff.

(24:33):
But very often Hubbard referredto his research.

SPEAKER_03 (24:37):
Yes.

SPEAKER_01 (24:38):
There was no research.

SPEAKER_03 (24:39):
Yeah, it was him, it was him getting up to some funky
stuff with Jack Parsons.

SPEAKER_01 (24:45):
I know what's wrong with this guy.
He took LSD.
Let's stick him in a sauna for10 hours, and that's because
this.
And there's no research, notactual research by the
definition of the word.

SPEAKER_03 (24:58):
Yeah, you know, they were trying to make a movie on
this for a while, a long time.
I don't know if it actually gotdone, but um, I want to say Dave
Chappelle and David DeCovneytalked about this on in an
interview years and years andyears ago about this book.
It's called Love and Rockets.
I'm pretty sure that's what it'scalled.

(25:19):
Yeah, Love and Rockets.
And it's about Jack Parsons andall the Alistair Crowley.
And it they talk about whenHubbard got in there and he was
messing with those guys too, andthey were doing weird stuff with
that woman, Sarah.
She was first Jack Parsons'girl.

SPEAKER_00 (25:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (25:39):
And hanging out with him when they were doing all
this stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (25:42):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (25:42):
And then Hubbard showed showed up and he was
like, Oh, hey, we gotta we gottado our own thing.

SPEAKER_00 (25:47):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (25:48):
Yeah.
Anyway, and that's in thatletter, too.
That though that file, that FBIfile, has a bunch of this Jack
Parsons stuff in it, too.
Anyway, yeah.
Love and Rockets, I think, isthe name of the book.
We'll have to look that up.
We might have to do a wholeepisode about that.

SPEAKER_01 (26:02):
Yeah.
All right, Matt Denny in thehouse.
What happens when the batteriesrun out?

SPEAKER_03 (26:08):
Yeah.
Like I said, they ain't using noAmazon Basics.
No offense to Amazon Basicsbatteries, but they ain't
lasting 75 million years.

SPEAKER_01 (26:19):
And of course, this is in reference to the batteries
keeping Xenu locked away.

SPEAKER_03 (26:23):
She's in an electric cage in the side of a mountain.
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (26:28):
And perhaps they researched um unlimited battery
power, and that's what they andthey brought them to Earth on
the, what is it, the DC eight?

SPEAKER_03 (26:37):
That's what I'm saying.
If they were flying DC eightsover here from another planet.

SPEAKER_01 (26:41):
We might be missing some technological context.

SPEAKER_03 (26:45):
Yeah, I don't think they had battery tech.

SPEAKER_01 (26:48):
Harvey Denton's Toads question
Miscavige never just make up OT9and 10?
And did Ray Midoff really forgetwhat Hubbard told?
We absolutely were told onmultiple occasions by Miscavage
that Ray Midoff had forgotten towhat what um Hubbard said.

SPEAKER_02 (27:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (27:06):
The part that I find that hard to believe, you know,
obviously in retrospect, is thateverything was recorded and
written down.
Um but Ray Midoff wasdefinitely, as Mark likes to
say, one sandwich short of apicnic.

SPEAKER_03 (27:22):
Yeah, he was just a couple cans short of a six-pack.
Um here's the thing, though,that's kind of weird about this
is that Pat Broker was the onethat was with Hubbard when he
was doing all of these upperlevel, all this upper level
research.

SPEAKER_00 (27:40):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (27:40):
So it's valid that Hubbard could have done
something.
Yeah, but nobody had it exceptfor Pat.

SPEAKER_01 (27:51):
Pat dug a hole somewhere in the middle of
nowhere and just buried it.

SPEAKER_03 (27:54):
David Miscavige spent like 25, 30 million
dollars watching Pat Brokerafter Pat Broker left.

SPEAKER_01 (28:02):
Why would he have done that?
Yeah.
Pat Broker wasn't speaking out.
He presented zero threat.
So what other explanation couldthere possibly be to justify
that level of wanting to keep aneye on somebody?

SPEAKER_03 (28:14):
Trevor Burrus, Jr.
And we only know about the 25 to30 million because two people
that were hired to watch himspoke out and and basically
exposed this whole thing thatthey're Tony Ortega covered
covered that.
And it was in the Tampa, theydid a thing in Tampa Bay uh
Times or St.
Pete Times or whatever it'scalled now.

SPEAKER_01 (28:34):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (28:34):
And so there could have been other operations that
were running parallel to that aswell, or since that that we
don't know about.
Correct.
But um so that's where it gets alittle tricky.
If David Miscavige releases OT 9and 10 that he made up, then it

(28:56):
could come out.
Well, here's what Hubbardactually wrote.
And then he's in a bunch oftrouble, especially if it makes
more sense that Hubbard wrotethe version that he may be
possibly wrote.

SPEAKER_01 (29:07):
Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (29:08):
Anyway, this is a little, this is this is a little
crazy.
And when you and when we were atthe AMPase, it was 100% said by
David Miscavige on multipleoccasions that there is no OT9
and 10 and anything else upabove that.
Hubbard David Miscavige saidthat Hubbard never wrote it,

(29:30):
they've never found it, and itdoesn't exist on multiple
occasions.

SPEAKER_01 (29:35):
So this is so yeah, but the question of why didn't
he make it up, you're right.
If he's still worried that it'ssomewhere out there, yeah, and
he were to make something up, oreven, you know, I mean, he was
doing uh revision after revisionafter revision after revision of
every single course, writing,everything, even the lectures,

(29:59):
you name it.
So perhaps he was scouring forsomething that would fit the
bill.

SPEAKER_03 (30:05):
Or or also they're just gonna uncover it.

SPEAKER_01 (30:07):
Right.
Yeah.
They'll be like, okay, we foundit.

SPEAKER_03 (30:11):
We found it.
We found it.
It was under cook, it was underrecipes.

SPEAKER_01 (30:15):
We we we lost it in one of our vaults, but we just
uncovered it.
Oopsies.
All right.
Jess says, question whatpercentage of Scientologists
actually reach OT3?
I'm guessing very few.
Yes, very, very few.
Like of let's say five, tenpercent.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good, a goodestimation.

(30:37):
Um even less when when we'retalking about members of the C
organization.

SPEAKER_03 (30:43):
Well, yeah, because they're not they're not spending
any time getting counseling.

SPEAKER_01 (30:46):
Like if if a member of the C organization was OT
operating Thetan had reached theupper levels, ninety-five
percent of that time was theyhad reached that before they
joined the C organization.

SPEAKER_03 (31:02):
That's right.
And even at the Ant Base, I'mgonna say there was like let's
say when there was 800 peoplethere, it was probably like 30,
40 people that were OT.
If that.

SPEAKER_00 (31:15):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:15):
Not even.
When they had these the OT printshop, they'd have to do an all
hands to get all these thingsprinted, and like 10 people
would show up.

SPEAKER_00 (31:24):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (31:25):
It was like, there's not that many people that can do
this.

SPEAKER_01 (31:28):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (31:29):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (31:30):
All right.
Mitch Brisker in the house.
Hey Mitch.
The church claimed that theconfidential material was
proprietary secrets.
How does a religion haveproprietary secrets?
Yes.
Solid question.
Exactly.
I mean, we literally could do awhole episode of this.
They even claim, you know, theyum they use corporate arguments

(31:51):
to protect, you know, they theyliterally just pick and choose
whatever they want to, you know,and that's where they utilize
the several, you know, veryhigh-level law firms that they
have to protect themselves.
But yeah, that's a solidquestion and a really good
point.
Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (32:12):
Okay.
Next one.

SPEAKER_01 (32:13):
And not to mention the fact, if they really did
have the technology to save theworld, why not just put it out
there?
Open source.

SPEAKER_03 (32:21):
Well, that was the kind of one of the struggles
that I was having when we werethere, is that I kept coming up
with these ways, like we canjust put all of this on an iPad.
Right.
Like you could just have acourse that's just a PDF.
Yeah.
And then all the lectures arejust MP3s.
Why are we making cassettes?
And why are we making it's thisis like we're doing this the

(32:41):
slowest way possible.
You could just make each course.
I had this whole thing laid out.
You could make each course inScientology a PDF.

SPEAKER_00 (32:48):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (32:49):
And you just sell the PDF.

SPEAKER_00 (32:50):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (32:51):
And then you just get it.
And then and then anybody canget it anywhere.
And then all the lectures couldbe MP3s, and all the you could
have a library, you could have asubscription service, you could
have I was thought of all thesedifferent things that are like,
no, we're not going to make anymoney if we make it all.
Yeah.
You can't charge$1,500 for anMP3 file, but we can charge that

(33:11):
for these CDs, this set of CDsand a binder and a pay big paper
transcript.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
And you're like, And that was the same was true,
which which explains so WarrenMcShane, who is the legal guy in
Religious Technology Center,spent did all kind spent th
probably millions of dollars ontrying to get the upper levels
off the internet.
Yes.
And the same was true.
Like, you know, the thestoryline was, oh, well, the

(33:40):
people are gonna die ofpneumonia.
Well, we you disproved that allin one night.

SPEAKER_02 (33:45):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (33:45):
Um, but it was all about money and control.
And yeah, anyway, okay.
Harvey Denton's Toads, I wasgoing to say, how did the
Simpsons get away with thatepisode?

SPEAKER_03 (33:58):
Yeah, I think that the Simpsons made fun of
everybody.
And so when they made fun ofScientology, Nancy Cartwright
didn't have real a real good legto stand on.
Like she's gonna say, like, oh,you guys can't make fun of my my
c my my little club.

SPEAKER_01 (34:17):
Yeah.
Well, it and it's funny now thatyou say that, because then you
think about um South Park, IsaacHayes, he wasn't able to shut
that down either.

SPEAKER_03 (34:25):
Well, yeah, but and he did the exact same thing.
He's like, I don't you can'tmake fun of Scientology.
He's like, dude, we make fun ofeverybody.
Right.
You can't you what wait, huh?

SPEAKER_01 (34:34):
Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 (34:35):
You didn't have a problem.
You didn't have a problem whenit's going the other way, Isaac.
Come on.

SPEAKER_01 (34:41):
Uh Matt Danny, that's a really good point.
What did Nancy think of thatepisode?
Yeah, she did not share herthoughts about that with and
with definitely not that weheard of.

SPEAKER_03 (34:51):
Also, to be fair, she's made tens of millions of
dollars from South.

SPEAKER_01 (34:56):
A lot of which she's given to Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (34:58):
Yeah, but still, she was nobody until she got that.
And then she started making somesome do reme.
So it's like, hey, come on, bitethe hand that feeds you.
Yeah.
She also did a robocall forScientology as Bart Simpson, and
she might have gotten in alittle bit of trouble for that.
She did one of these, like, heyguys, it's Bart.

(35:20):
And she was like, You gotta cometo flag or you gotta do this or
something like that.
And it was in Bart Simpson'svoice.
It was she did it as Nancy, butshe did it in Bart Simpson's
voice.

SPEAKER_00 (35:31):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (35:32):
Anyway, who gives a toot what Nancy thinks?

SPEAKER_01 (35:36):
Becky, big brother fan, South Park Scientology
episode was removed from ParapParamount Plus.
Really?
Hmm.
Yeah, I really, I really wouldlove to do um uh whatever we can
do.
I know we can't play the wholeepisode, but going through that
together for uh We did that.
No, we did not.

SPEAKER_03 (35:56):
I thought we did the video.
We did not.

SPEAKER_01 (35:58):
We talked about doing that.
If you would like us to do areaction video to South Park's
episode, drop a comment and letme know.
Uh and we'll we'll put that inour little shared note and do
that one of these weeks.

SPEAKER_03 (36:10):
We did a spy file that was about the documents of
Mike recapping the episode andin reports back and forth from
Dave to Dave Miscavage.

SPEAKER_01 (36:23):
Miscavage, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (36:24):
Okay, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 (36:25):
Harvey Denton's Toads question Do you think
there would be more or fewerScientologists if they were
upfront about Xenos?

SPEAKER_03 (36:32):
Fewer.

SPEAKER_01 (36:32):
Way, way, way, way, worse.

SPEAKER_03 (36:34):
I mean, it's one thing to say, oh, we're gonna
help you with communicationskills, and we're gonna help
with you have betterrelationships.

SPEAKER_01 (36:41):
Yeah, what's true for you is what's true for you.

SPEAKER_03 (36:43):
We're gonna help you get all the alien space cooties
out of here.

SPEAKER_01 (36:46):
If you if you in the if in the same conversation
you're saying, oh, what's truefor you is what's true for you,
we accept people of allreligions, and we believe in
Zenu from 76 million years ago.
Five.
75.
You know, it's a roundingproblem, okay.
Um it's just true.

SPEAKER_03 (37:06):
It's and he says approximately 75 million years
ago.
It could be more now.

SPEAKER_01 (37:11):
Yeah, exactly.
So, yes, if they were because alot of like we over the years of
talking to many, many differentpeople currently in, under the
radar, getting out, got out, um,a lot of them stayed on with
this false hope that what was onthe upper levels was going to

(37:34):
save them and you know solve alltheir issues they ever had as a
human being and make them a thisuh, you know, it's all it's
smoke and mirrors.

SPEAKER_03 (37:43):
Yeah, they want the money.

SPEAKER_01 (37:44):
Yeah.
Proto-man, but call me blues.
Does Elron have an origin forthis information?
Is it just stuff he rememberedfrom a previous life?
Yes, he it's stuff he rememberedfrom a previous life, whether he
was on drugs or prescriptions atthe time, he did not mention.

(38:06):
Uh yeah.
Slonomite.
What were L Ron Hubbard's viewson Star Trek and Star Wars?
Oh, this one we did talk about.

SPEAKER_03 (38:14):
We did talk about this, and also um there's a
video coming out in a few weeksthat Mitch and I, Mitch Brisker
and I did.
Yeah.
Because there's a bunch of umfor the cinematography area,
there's a bunch of um writingsthat L.
Ron Hubbard did to them, whichsome of them are just recorded
meetings that he had with themor things that he wrote to them

(38:36):
on how to do this or how to dothat.
And um and he talks about hethere's Star Wars is kind of
like he wanted it his movie tobe Star Wars.
The what was it called?
Battlefield Earth Revolt in theStarship Revolt in the Stars,
the screenplay screenplay thathe wrote for the movie.

SPEAKER_01 (38:55):
He thought that was gonna outperform Star Wars,
which is the Zenus story.
It's illusional.

SPEAKER_03 (39:01):
He thought that was he was like ding ding ding.

SPEAKER_01 (39:05):
Oh my goodness.
Whitney, question what was RonMiscavige Sr.
like?
Did he have a similarpersonality to David?
He did not, actually.

SPEAKER_03 (39:14):
We were just talking about this because we went on a
cruise in February one year, andit was our son's birthday party.

SPEAKER_01 (39:23):
Yes, and but backing up for a minute, because this is
worth talking about.
Ron Ron contacted us pretty muchalmost very soon after escaping.

SPEAKER_03 (39:33):
Yes, right, Ron Miscavige Sr., David Miscavige,
Miscavage's dad.

SPEAKER_01 (39:37):
Yes.
And you and Ron always were veryclose, like he was kind of like
a dad to you in at thatproperty.

SPEAKER_02 (39:44):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (39:45):
And um, and you know, we didn't nobody really
has a friend relationship at theproperty because it's such a
snitch culture, but we havereconnected with and so many
people that have gotten out andbecome good friends with them.

SPEAKER_03 (40:01):
And in Ron's case, but I was genuinely good friends
with him when we were there.

SPEAKER_01 (40:06):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (40:07):
And um, he was the one who set up all the weights
at the exercise building.
Yeah.
And when I was going able to goto the David Miscavige's little
exercise building, Ron washelping me with what weights I
should get and all thesedifferent things.

SPEAKER_02 (40:21):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (40:22):
And so we did talk a lot over the years.
And when we escaped, RonMiscavige heard an interview
that I did on the radio on hisiPad.
He on coast to coast.
He would listen to KFIAM 640 onhis iPad, and he heard an
interview, and him and his wifelistened to it, and then they

(40:43):
wrote a report basically saying,hey, we listened to this
interview that Mark did, and heain't lying about what's
happening here.
And he's right that these thingsshould not be happening here,
and they're off policy andthey're not per L.
Ron Hubbard, but they'rehappening, and then they got in
trouble.

SPEAKER_01 (41:01):
Yeah, exactly.
So fast forward they escape andwe reconnected with them, and
then their family were going onon annual cruises.

SPEAKER_03 (41:11):
Becky's family.

SPEAKER_01 (41:12):
Becky's family, yes.

SPEAKER_03 (41:13):
Yeah, his wife Becky.

SPEAKER_01 (41:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (41:14):
Um, her family had been going on cruises for years,
and only because Becky and Rongot out, they kind of said, Hey,
would you guys like to come onone of these cruises we go on
every year?
Yeah.
And then when they got invited,they invited us, and then we
actually went on the cruiseswith them.
I want to say we went on severalcruises.

SPEAKER_01 (41:36):
We were cruising with them for eight, nine years.

SPEAKER_03 (41:40):
Yeah.
So we would go on a cruise everyyear with Ron and Becky's
family, and Ron and Becky wouldgo.
But the funniest thing was therewas a year or two, or one of a
few times, where Ron and Beckydidn't come, but we did.
We went and hung out, and wealso invited a lot of our
friends to come on the cruisesas well.
So it wasn't just we were justhanging out with Ron and Becky's

(42:01):
family.

SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
Rest in peace to both of them.
So sad that they're not with usanymore.
But they did introduce ourfamily to cruising, and that
just became like our kids lovecruising.
Kids love it, yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
It's a no-brainer if you've gotkids.
But yeah, Ron Miscavige Sr.
was nothing like his son, anddefinitely recommend Ron's book,

(42:23):
Ruthless.
If you haven't read that, get acopy of that.

SPEAKER_03 (42:26):
The thing I was gonna say is on one of those
cruises, Ron and uh there was aseveral other musician friends
that used to be at theinternational headquarters.

SPEAKER_02 (42:39):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (42:40):
Like four or five people that showed up that were
musicians.

SPEAKER_01 (42:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (42:44):
And they brought all their instruments.
Yes.
So like Carrie brought herupright bass, and Ron brought
his trumpet, and they broughtall these things.

SPEAKER_01 (42:54):
And Steve Hall would sing sometimes.

SPEAKER_03 (42:57):
And at one of the dinners that we had, it was our
son's birthday.

SPEAKER_00 (43:02):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (43:02):
And Ron Miscavige, out of nowhere, just pulled this
trumpet out and started playingHappy Birthday in the dining
room, and everybody was like,these guys got their own band
for the happy birthday kid.

SPEAKER_01 (43:16):
It was the best.
Anyway, it was the first time.
Our son still talks about it tothis day.
It was a really special memory.
Yeah.
All right.
M.
Brisker, Mitch, I never heardXenu mentioned after OT3.
That's true for you.
Um, yes.
Just the body thing.
But still, yeah, exactly.
So the origin story nevershifted.

SPEAKER_03 (43:36):
Well, yeah, but but they don't need to cover Xenu
anymore because it's just like,yeah, hey, this is where the the
space cooties came from.
They came from this guy, and nowthis is all the cleanup that
we've got to do.
And he's locked up, so we don'thave to worry about him anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (43:49):
Yeah, for sure.
And so when you're addressingbody thetans and clusters, you
run them through incident three,incident one, and all of that.
It's it's still all the sameorigin story, but you're right,
Mitch.
He's not mentioned newly.
It's just still the same problemthat we're still working to
resolve, even though when youcomplete OT3, they're all gone.

(44:12):
But no, not so much.
We're back.

SPEAKER_03 (44:15):
Oh, that was it.

SPEAKER_01 (44:16):
That was all right, awesome.

SPEAKER_03 (44:18):
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We want to remind everybody forif you take your picture with uh
a fake Navy Davy, um, you can dowhatever you want with it.
You can go uh sightseeing withhim, you can go um hang out at
the local Scientologyorganization and and see uh if
he can get up to any adventuresaround there, getting pictures,

(44:40):
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You send them in to Blum forGood.
You can go to Blumforgood.com,and if you go to the contact us
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then we will do a drawing at theend of this month, which we

(45:00):
gotta figure out how we're gonnado that because I'm gonna be
gone.

SPEAKER_01 (45:04):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (45:04):
Anyway, logistics just uh kicked in.

SPEAKER_01 (45:07):
Okay, so we'll figure it out.
Okay, we're not gonna figure itout now.
But we have a bunch of otherquestions to answer, by the way,
in the chat.

SPEAKER_03 (45:13):
Okay, but I'm here, I'm doing it.
We're good, loving it.
There's your fan favorite,Claire's favorite, my favorite.
Yeah, there's three winnersevery month.
You can win one of these.
Um, do we have one in here?
Uh there's a um I was trying tosee if there was a uh what do
you call that thing?
Uh bobblehead.
Are there any bobbleheads inhere?

(45:34):
Oh, yeah, there's uh there's aLeah one and a Mike one.

SPEAKER_01 (45:37):
There we go.

SPEAKER_03 (45:38):
Anyway, yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (45:39):
Here is the Leah bobblehead.

SPEAKER_03 (45:42):
These are special edition bobbleheads that were
made um to support the AftermathFoundation.
We have a Leah one and we have aMike one.
And then you can also buy aspecial edition of those that
has you can just buy thebobblehead, or you can buy a
special edition.
Does it does every editionspecial edition, or can you buy
it by itself and you can buy itby itself.

SPEAKER_01 (46:03):
We have a a small amount left of signed.
Uh so we have if you get theLeah and the Mike bobblehead, it
comes with a photo of Leah andMike that's signed by each of
them.
No auto pen up and this was fromSeptember 2024, yeah.
That they both did this for us,and we have obviously when

(46:24):
they're they're done, they'redone.

SPEAKER_03 (46:26):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (46:26):
Goes without saying.

SPEAKER_03 (46:27):
And then you can just get a Leah one, or you can
just get a mic one.
And the person who wins thecontest, the three people that
win the contest, can pick eithera mic one or a Leah one.
Not with the signed photo, butjust a bobblehead.

SPEAKER_01 (46:40):
Yep.
Standard bobblehead.

SPEAKER_03 (46:42):
Anyway, okay, you want to do some questions?

SPEAKER_01 (46:44):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (46:45):
Let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 (46:46):
Start.

SPEAKER_03 (46:46):
Oh, we got a uh a super chat.
That's true.

SPEAKER_01 (46:49):
Oh, coffee milk, dude.
Great topic, great questions.
Thank you for being here.
We appreciate you.
Uh apostate.
Alex, question.
We know Scientologists tend tolike conspiracy theories.
Tend to.
Yeah.
Uh what do you think is theirgeneral take on all the news and
Congress hearings on UAPs, UFOs,and the three eye atlas comet?

SPEAKER_03 (47:11):
I think they just think that, yeah, of course.
We they already know about allthe aliens.
Well, the ones that are in theupper levels do.

SPEAKER_01 (47:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (47:17):
That's a good question.
It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 (47:20):
Can I just say something though?

SPEAKER_03 (47:21):
No.

SPEAKER_01 (47:21):
Uh I can.
And I will.
Gosh darn it.
When I read um Mission Earth,there's a whole thing in there
about aliens coming to Earth andthey they would be hovering over
and like, you know, uhtransparent spaceships and all
that.
So obviously, this was wellbefore I did the upper levels

(47:42):
and had any idea of any of theorigin story of Xenu and all
that, but I can remember as ateenager like looking up at the
sky and going, wait, are therealien ships here?

SPEAKER_03 (47:54):
Right.
Um, I see this one started.
I have no idea what this is.

SPEAKER_01 (47:59):
Okay.
Uh, do you guys know a JamesPeters who was in Camp Verde?
No.

unknown (48:05):
Never.

SPEAKER_03 (48:05):
What's Camp Verde?

SPEAKER_01 (48:06):
I'm not sure.
We're missing context.
So shoot us an email if you havemore information.
We'll do our best if we have anyinformation.
The journey 2020.
A Scientologist has claimed theXenus story is a parable.

SPEAKER_03 (48:18):
Well, yeah, they claim all kinds of things
because they don't want peopleto think that they believe
they're innate.

SPEAKER_01 (48:22):
Yeah, they also claim it's not a thing and all
that.

SPEAKER_03 (48:25):
So yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 (48:26):
They uh whatever's an acceptable truth to make
people um enter their doors.
Lupita, question, Mr.
Mark, please.
A QA on your book, off topic.
I know.
Oh, that's a great idea.
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (48:38):
Yes, if you guys maybe if we put a community post
up, and we just say, hey, if youwanna um if you want, if you
have a question for Mark aboutthe book, put it in this post
and then we'll put we'll when wehave enough questions, we'll do
a video.

SPEAKER_01 (48:53):
Perfect.
I love that idea.

SPEAKER_03 (48:55):
And then also I can just do that on my own if I'm
out and about.
So then that could be a videothat while I'm out, because I
got a I got a big project comingup.
I'm not gonna be around.

SPEAKER_01 (49:04):
Yep, several.
Uh Jerome, question Do you thinkDavid Miskovaj actually thought
or was nervous that LRH wascoming back in 2007?
Was the building of his housefor show?
Yeah, maybe a little bit.
Um on the off chance that heshowed back up, at least he'd
have a good uh a good thing to,you know, some good compliance

(49:25):
reports to well, but he wasnever gonna let him back in.

SPEAKER_03 (49:28):
In addition to telling um Ray Midoff OT nine
and ten, he also told RayMiddoff, El Ron Hubbard told Ray
Midoff when he was coming back.

SPEAKER_00 (49:39):
Right.

SPEAKER_03 (49:40):
So they had a date because they had that in writing
from Hubbard to Ray Midoffsaying, Hey, I'm peaceing out,
but I'll be back at this time.
And that time was in 2007, sothe house had to be done by the
time that house was.

(50:10):
Where's Hubbard?
He missed a train, he missed aconnection.

SPEAKER_01 (50:13):
Or he, you know, got on the uh the flight going the
opposite direction.
Aline, where is Shelly?
Has anyone seen her lately?
Oh yeah, we we did this one.

SPEAKER_03 (50:21):
Yeah, and we have done a whole series on where is
Shelly to give you all of thelatest and greatest information,
all the way back to her earlychildhood and all the way
forward to what we know now.

SPEAKER_01 (50:31):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (50:31):
So you can check that out on Blown for Good Uh
Scientology Exposed.
On the YouTuber, and you can goto our website and we've got
lists of all the episodes andstuff there.

SPEAKER_01 (50:41):
Yes.
Eastern Ocelot, do they have tofill out census data for the Imp
base?

SPEAKER_03 (50:46):
Aaron Ross Powell Um they do actually.
And they do voting stuff.
They do do stuff because theywant to make sure that the
politicians know how many peoplethat they have there and how
many voters they have there.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:57):
So they do try to do that.
There are a lot of staff fromother countries.
So, for example, the whole timeI was there, I was a resident
alien with a British passport.
So I never voted the entireyears that we were there.
Anyway, yep.

SPEAKER_03 (51:13):
They do have enough voters to sway a local election.

SPEAKER_01 (51:16):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (51:17):
At least that many.

SPEAKER_01 (51:18):
Yep, for sure.
Firebirds, child, how did youtwo learn how to be parents?
Neither of you had goodexamples, but it seems like
you've done okay.
Thank you.
Well, we're just trying to dothe opposite.
Read lots of books.
Uh, you know, we we just we knowwhat not to do.
Let's just put it that way.

(51:40):
But you know, also I will saythat both of us are, you know,
we learn from our mistakes, andso I I don't think there is such
a thing as a perfect parent.
It's not like when you have ababy, it comes with a a roadmap
for the next 18 years.

SPEAKER_03 (51:54):
And they don't all work exactly the same.

SPEAKER_01 (51:56):
You get different makes and models depending on
No, but you know, we've we'veworked through uh therapy,
books, podcasts, you name it.
When we run into a problem,we're very much like, okay,
United Front, let's let's tacklethis head on, right?
There you go.
All right.
Brian, question Did Hubbardwrite anything about Xenu coming

(52:19):
back if they are unsuccessful inclearing the universe?
No.

SPEAKER_03 (52:23):
No, they said he Hubbard said they locked him up.
He it was basically like thiswhole thing happened.
Don't worry though, it's doneand dusted.
We got Zenu locked up in amountain with this electric
bars.

SPEAKER_01 (52:34):
The less questions you ask the better.
And now we're just as with manythings in Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (52:38):
Just gonna spend the next 10,000 years doing space
coody cleanup.

SPEAKER_00 (52:41):
It's like I I researched this and I've got it
covered, and we are going toclear the planet.
This is our one chance in allthe millions of years.

SPEAKER_03 (52:50):
I've spent all my life scanning 75 million years
worth of experiences, and I'mnot gonna turn over any of the
I'm not gonna make a successionplan or or fix any of the
craziness or release all theseupper levels that that finish
all this off.
But trust me on this part.

SPEAKER_01 (53:09):
Yeah, exactly.
If he had such insight into lifeand everything else, then how
the heck did he bump off withoutfinishing everything?

SPEAKER_02 (53:17):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:18):
Audi zebra, does miscavige worry about ETs?
Yeah, we did.
We did cover that.
Yes, he definitely does, whichis weird because I think it has
to do with his paranoia and notnot so much his belief in
Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (53:30):
I wonder what our cooti count is.
And maybe that's why we haven'thad a lot of like personal
visits from Miscavige, becauseour cootie count is too high.
We've got a cootie count.
That's a good one.
We need to make some merch forthat.
We've got to tell Clara cootiecount over 9,000.

SPEAKER_01 (53:49):
Cootie count activated.
How many cooties do you haveactive at the moment?
Opal Mouse, does anyone knowwhere Pat Broker is today?
I think we vaguely know hiswhereabouts, but he has never
spoken out.
Maybe one day he will.

SPEAKER_03 (54:04):
Yeah.
I've got some stuff.
I've got some stuff coming outthis about this soon.
We'll see.
All right.
Not anytime.
Like nothing.
Don't be holding your breath.
But it's coming out.

SPEAKER_01 (54:15):
Okay.
All right.
Sounds good.
Hey Mark, last week youmentioned giving an interview
about a Scientology school inAustralia.
I had no idea they had schoolshere.
Can you share more details aboutthis?
Who was the interview with?

SPEAKER_03 (54:28):
Yeah, I think we linked to it in my um there was
a if you go in the comments,I'll see if it I think somebody
posted a comment in the videothat we did last week.

SPEAKER_01 (54:36):
Isn't it behind a paywall?
It is behind a paywall, so it'skind of hard for me to But we
can you know what we can do iswe were going to put up a
community post.
We can at least link to itthere.

SPEAKER_03 (54:47):
They did send me a PDF.

SPEAKER_01 (54:49):
Well, yeah, I don't want to get in trouble.

SPEAKER_03 (54:51):
Um, but we can say where the um Yeah, if you maybe
if you're in Australia, youmight have a subscription to
this thing.
I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (54:59):
Exactly.
So there you go.
Monica, Florida.
Don't the body thetans want togo to a hospital and go into the
body of a newborn?
Yes, probably that is um, it'snot really something Hubbard
talked about, but that is someScientologists have the theory
that them setting their bodythetans free is part of the
cause of overpopulation on theplanet Earth.

(55:22):
All right, apostate Alex.
Thank you.
Feet's activate.
Thanks, Alex.
We appreciate you.
Yeah.
Does Miscavige's fear of badbody thetans show he does
believe to some extent, or wasit all for show?
So I think that's my answer to Iknow, but my answer to that is
he's paranoid, period.
Like, you know, um yeah, seesaliens, thinks that the Martians

(55:47):
are coming to get him and allthat.
Like, I think it his the um thisaspect more speaks to his
paranoia than it does speak tohis belief in Scientology.
Yeah.
That's my personal thought.
Is your interview with Coast toCoast available online?

SPEAKER_03 (56:04):
Um, last I checked many years ago, it was in the
Coast to Coast.
If you're like a Coast to Coastsubscriber or something like
that, you can find it.
But um we'll have to look andsee.
We should see if we could findthe John and Ken interview I
did, the KFI.
Uh I think I've done at leasttwo or three shows on Coast to
Coast now.
Because I've done someafterwards.

(56:26):
Yeah.
See if we can find those.
And we'll we'll if we can findthem, we'll put a link in the
description.

SPEAKER_01 (56:30):
Yes.
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (56:32):
Gosp.

SPEAKER_01 (56:33):
Brian, question Can body thatans attach themselves
to anything aside from humans?
If so, do Scientologists worryabout their pets and body
thatans?
That's a funny uh I don't thinkso.
But you know what's what thisreminds me of is that in How to
Live Though an Executive, thebook by L.
Ron Hubbard, he talks about thatsometimes executives should take

(56:54):
a uh a cycle away from a humanbody and and pick up a dog body
as a you know like as a palatecleanser?

unknown (57:04):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (57:07):
Yeah.
Cootie cleanser.
I need a cootie cleanse.
I don't know about this one.
This is above my pay grade.
Okay.
I only know what I've read fromHubbard online.

SPEAKER_01 (57:18):
But yeah, no, they they can.
Um Paige Silver, question Howlong after leaving did you read
Bareface Messiah?
So for me, I read it like 2007.
So it was like a year and a halfafter leaving.
I also read Mad Men or Messiahby Bent Card.
And um yeah.

(57:39):
In the first it uh the first sixmonths, I think, I was still
pretty terrified to even look atanything.

SPEAKER_03 (57:47):
This is a great one.

SPEAKER_01 (57:49):
Callan Coop, wasn't Midoff on the bridge?
What happened to his perfectmemory?
Same with Broker.
Yes.
Great Midoff was OT eight.

SPEAKER_03 (57:57):
Yes, and also Pat Broker.
Um Pat Broker rememberedeverything.
That's the problem.
And that's why Miscavige spentso much money going after Broker
and keeping an eye on him, isbecause he knew what was up.
And I don't remember um bro PatBroker never worked at the base

(58:20):
when we were there.
Right.
The only time I ever saw him oror knew was when he when Elrin
Hubbard died and he went to thepalladium.
I was at the palladium and I sawhim there talking or whatever.
Um when we weren't just runningaround the lobby like kids
because we were like, who caresabout any of this?
Let's just play tag in thepalladium lobby and running up
and down the stairs andbalconies.

(58:40):
And um anyway, but um yeah, thisbroker thing is a weird thing
that nobody's really gotten tothe bottom of.

SPEAKER_01 (58:50):
No, the only person who can answer those questions
is Pat Broker, and he's notanswering any questions
currently.

SPEAKER_03 (58:55):
So there you have it.
Coming down the final few.

SPEAKER_01 (58:58):
All right, Code Monkey.
Question to Mark.
Before knowing about OT3 fromSouth Park, did you know of
Thetans or have any interest inup the bridge materials?
You knew about Thetan, but notbody thetans.

SPEAKER_03 (59:12):
Yeah, there was no I and the funniest thing was I
actually had a contractor that Ihad brought into the property
and he was selling me computersand audiovisual stuff.
And we were out in the parkinglot one day at the base.
He would come to the base andbring equipment there.
And we were out in the parkinglot.

(59:32):
He's like, So what's up with allthe alien stuff, dude?
And I was like, what are youtalking about?
And he was like, I heard youguys believe in like space
aliens and stuff.
And I was just like, dude, I hadI don't know anything about
that.
I ain't heard nothing aboutspace aliens.

SPEAKER_01 (59:46):
No, I think I think it's fair to say that given that
both of us were in I mean, I wasborn into Scientology, you got
in pretty young.
We were always just um drilledto answer those questions like,
do you always believe what youread in the newspaper?
Yeah, or on the internet.
People say wacko things aboutScientology that's oh oh, Dr.
X in the house.

(01:00:07):
Hi folks, Mark's homeboy Xenu isout jamming with his body
thaintons on his world tour.
Mark has merch.
There is a Mexico City bandcalled Xenu and the Thantans.
What?
Do you think Xenu has techthat's not touch us for
diseases, illnesses?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:20):
Is there really a Mexico City band called Xenu and
the Thaitans?

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:24):
Wow.
Yeah, maybe we'll have to checkthat out.
That is amazing.
We'll have to look at theirstart date and see if it but
yes, Dr.
X, you're right.
Mark has Xenu and the BodyThetans tour merch and concert
schedule and all kinds of thingson the BFG merch store because

(01:00:46):
as we always say, why not havefun here and there while we're
talking about such a darksubject?

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:51):
Yes, thank you for the super chat, Dr.
X.
It's very generous.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:54):
Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 (01:00:55):
Um COS episode of South Park is on Paramount Plus,
I just checked.
Yeah, I was gonna say they triedto get it off of the streaming
platforms, and that was covered.
We covered, we did this in a spyfiles episode.
We covered all of this, and um,they have not been able to get
it taken off of Paramount Plus.

(01:01:17):
I think when they transitioned,I think Paramount got bought by
somebody, and I think there wasa lot of stuff transitioning, so
it it might have taken a bit foreverything to to move over or
what however they did it, butit's up.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:28):
Coffee milk, dude.
Didn't you guys feel like ifanyone else did what miscavige
has done, Davey would have RPF'dor expelled them or whatever?
But because miscavage did it, itis somehow not suppressive.
Oh yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 (01:01:41):
100%.
That's and that would come up atthe base all the time.
Like, yeah, how can I get introuble for this when Dave is
doing that?
And you're just like, what'sgoing on?
There's no remote.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:51):
Yeah, no, I remember the time when it was like anyone
who even wrote a knowledgereport on David Miscavige or who
in um an auditing session, acounseling session, or um an
interview to find out who yourpotential trouble source to,
like who is the suppressiveperson influencing you?
Anyone that named DavidMiscavige in any of those was

(01:02:14):
gotten rid of.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:15):
Yeah.
This I think this might havebeen what her um Dr.
X is publishing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:19):
So, Kara, can we have a Xeno in the Body Thaitans
2025 tour shirt?

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:24):
Is it a 2024, the one I have?

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:26):
Oh, maybe it is.
That's a great question.
We'll have to.
He's Mark's gonna go check hisactual shirt that he has here in
the studio so we can check andanswer that question.
Uh what year is it?
Let's see.
Here you go, folks.

(01:02:46):
The moment we've been waitingfor.
He is re-entering the studiochair.

SPEAKER_03 (01:02:51):
Ask and you shall receive.
We have a 2025 Zenium NobodyTatans.
Concert tea.
Here, I'll put it on the Therewe go.
Okay, I see.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:05):
See?
There you go.
Pretty snazzy.
March 13th, Clearwater, Florida.
May 9th, Los Angeles,California.
June 6th, Aruba.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:18):
I got it going on.
We did it.
There you go.
Gotcha.
Done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:22):
Xenu is a little bit more.
I'll put a link.

SPEAKER_03 (01:03:24):
I'll put a link in the um video, the products.
I'll make I'll add the Xenu, theBody Thaitants t-shirt.
If it's not already there, Imight have already done it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:03:32):
Yep.
Very possibly.
Olga, question.
How do Scientology followers putto write that LRH and little
David Miscavge had most of theirfamily leave Scientology and
declared and not see that thosetwo are the PTS, potential
trouble source, the actualproblem.
Cognitive dissonance?
Oh, completely.
That's saying it is adisqualification for an

(01:03:56):
executive in Scientology to berelated to a suppressive person.
So David Miscavage, by Hubbardpolicy, does not qualify to run
Scientology.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:06):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:07):
Yep.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:08):
It is kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:09):
It is.
Yeah.
But you know, it's allconvenience.
Northern Shrew.
Question.
Oddly, I get the feeling thatDavid Miscavage wanted to like
Mark, that he had a low keyrespect and admiration for him.
Am I way off?
You're not way off.
Mark was always either doingreally, really well and like all

(01:04:30):
the meetings, or he was outshoveling poop from the aeration
ponds.
I mean, it was literally therewere no there was no in-between.
And at one point, even in theearly 90s, Shelley Miscavige had
picked you to um groom to becomea deputy for David Miscavige.
Well, that that didn't go well,but he's I wasn't in the cards.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:53):
I had other points.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:55):
Mark is way too much of a rebel for that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:04:58):
I was like, I ain't doing that.
I need to be doing the theaudiovisual stuff.
I ain't.
No way I'm coming at coming tohang out with you.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:06):
Not that you not that you could or did say that.
No, but I it didn't pan out.
Let's just say that.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:13):
I made that path veer it another way.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:15):
Yeah, for sure.

Question (01:05:17):
What do you think of that LRH 2.0 who's in prison?
Yeah, you know what?
Don't follow by Well, no,listen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:26):
This is the best thing, this guy.
Okay.
He comes back.
I can't remember actually.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:33):
He alleges that he comes back.
Didn't he change his name tolaughing at Ronald Hubbard?

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:37):
You know, he is his legal name is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:39):
Clearly, it's going really well.

SPEAKER_03 (01:05:41):
He's following in L.
Ron Hubbard's footsteps.
It's the natural progression ofL.
Ron Hubbard.
He would have ended up in jail.
So the new guy is doing what hewas gonna end up doing, going to
jail.
No, but this is the best thingbecause this guy came back.
He's this is his story.
I came back as L.
Ron Hubbard.
Okay.
Or he was L.
Ron Hubbard.
He came back, got this otherbody, and he's like, hey, I'm

(01:06:03):
here.
And they're like, no, you'renot.
That's the if another hundredpeople did that, they would say
the same thing.
Right.
There's no one who's coming backgoing, I'm Elron Hubbard.
They're gonna they're gonna belike, nope.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:16):
Nope.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:16):
So it's kind of crazy that they built this house
for him.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:20):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:21):
Somebody said that they were Elrond Hubbard, and
they're like, no, you're done.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:24):
And by the way, that is where I do believe David
Miscavige built that house forshow rather than the belief that
L.
Ron Hubbard was coming back.

SPEAKER_03 (01:06:32):
That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:33):
I'm saying that it's a good way to utilize lots of
money and tie it up in realestate.
And so, you know, hey, makeeverybody think that David
Miscavige thinks Hubbard iscoming back.
But even if Hubbard did or didnot come back, there's no way
he's gonna take back over.
David Miscavige is not gonnalike do his hat ride up and go,

(01:06:54):
here, sir, I had you coveredwhile while you were gone and
everything's great.
Uh that ain't never gonnahappen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:00):
Yeah, here's another great one.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:02):
All right, question.
Has there been credibility givento any of the numerous people
who have claimed to be Hubbardreturning?
Nope.
Zip, no, that's what I'm saying.
It's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_03 (01:07:12):
It's a perfect scenario, an example of what
happens when somebody does comeback and says I'm Hubbard.
Yeah, there's no way for anybodyto say yes or no.
Right.
And that's and actually thefunny thing is that is the
entire um premise of the SouthPark episode.
Yeah.
The kid comes back and they say,Yes, yes, yes, yes, you are,

(01:07:36):
da-da-da-da-da.
Yeah, which is a joke in theshow.
His thetan levels are off thecharts.
But but the fact that they thengo on to to say, you're not the
guy, the real guy would never dothis.
Right.
And then they just kick him out.
Right.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:51):
So But don't you think that if there's a piece of
me that goes that has to be ifHubbard and Miscavige both
believed that Scientology gaveyou full and complete recall of
all your lifetimes, everythingyou'd ever done, don't you think
they would have set up a codeword?

SPEAKER_02 (01:08:10):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:10):
Hey, when I come back, I'm gonna give you this um
authentication code, and that'sgonna that's gonna trigger the
turn everything over.
But that we know that was it'sjust all bonkers.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:24):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:25):
It's silliness.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:26):
All right.
How can Tom Cruise and JohnTravolta believe in Xenum?
And why don't they help Shellyfrom her Me Too captivity?
Yeah, completely.
So again, we've talked aboutthat anyone we've ever talked to
that had studied the upperlevels uh never believed it.
So, you know, they got they getalong to play along, whatever

(01:08:49):
you want to say.

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:50):
I think that's not the case with Tom Cruise.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:53):
Yeah.
I think He he absolutelybelieves it?

SPEAKER_03 (01:08:56):
I think he's been he's basically got the movie
studios subsidizingScientology's RD on how to get
rid of aliens.
Okay?
Edge of Tomorrow, World of theWorlds.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:08):
He's got the best minds in Hollywood trying to
figure out so you're saying thathe too is has a little bit of a
Zenu obsession?

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:15):
Of course he does, because he's been game, he's
been game planning how are wegonna get rid of the the a
aliens if they come and theydon't and they haven't been
their bodies, their soulshaven't been taken out of their
bodies.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:28):
Oh my god.
I know we're gonna have aproblem.
I'm just like, you know what?
I'm so over all the Xenu andalien nonsense.
I'm like, I love be the good.
I love be the good be the good.
Your life that you are havecontrol over is right in front
of you.
Uh anyway, whatever.
I won't get off, I'll clam offmy soapbox now.

SPEAKER_03 (01:09:45):
Yeah.
I want to show this one justbecause I want to see if it
makes you uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:49):
Okay.
Question Did either of you getthe vibe that Miscavige liked
Claire a little too much?
And you're trying to make meuncomfortable?
Wow, honey.
And that's why the rules aboutmarriage and RTC change.
So it's funny that you shouldsay that.
This thought is honestlyrepulsive to me.
Um, it really is, like grosslyrepulsive.
However, when we had startedinterviewing with the producers

(01:10:13):
uh for season one of Leah ReminiScientology in the Aftermath,
the producer was like, I I'mjust saying it sounds like he
had uh something going on there.
And I was like, ooh, that'sgross.
But uh yeah, it wouldn't it inretrospect, as creepy and vile

(01:10:34):
and disgusting as that is, um Ithink he did have a thing for
young women, especially if theywere remotely pretty.

SPEAKER_03 (01:10:44):
Yeah, but I don't think I didn't get that.
I didn't get that vibe from him.
That he was not not not not theother girls, but not to you.
Like yeah, there were definitelyother girls that you got you did
get that vibe.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:56):
Yes, but the one the the problem is Jenny Linson was
always kind of like Yeah, yeah,for sure.
Yeah, no, I'm I'm not um puttingout that, you know, I'm anyway,
whatever.
But I will say that the thingthat always drove me absolutely
nuts is being that I'm Englishand was especially younger, I

(01:11:19):
was shy and you know, whatever,and I tended to blush very
easily.
And he would stomp on that.
Like he would sometimes justwalk in to a meeting and he
would literally come over to meand go like this.
And I would turn completelypurple.
It was like something that I wastrying to fix with Scientology,

(01:11:41):
and I never could.
It was awful anyway.

SPEAKER_03 (01:11:44):
Okay, we're coming to the truly disgusting.
We're gonna pick well, we shoulddo the winner now, actually.
Okay.
I just realized we should dothat.
Okay, look at this.
Double Clares.
Um Okay, if you've commented, ohlook at that.
101.
Does it say 101?
I think it does.
Oh, it's 123 now.
Oh, nice.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:03):
Okay, here we go.
We're gonna do this.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:06):
I've Are you gonna play your sound?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:08):
I almost forgot.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:10):
So Tell us if you hear the sounds.
Mark, you know how Mark tell usif you hear the sounds.
Oh, musical mark is in thehouse.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:18):
Do you hear the sounds?
You've gotta hear the sound.
The timing was a little off.
Matt Henderson.
What?
Matt Henderson?
Is that Matt Henderson?
The Matt Henderson we know MattHenderson.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:39):
Well, we won't say anything.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:40):
Holy money.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:41):
Send us an email, Claire at blownforgood.com.
Congratulations.
Um, and hey, folks, let us knowif you heard Mark's Super Duper
sound effects there.
Of course they heard it.
Clara, did you hear it?

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:52):

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:54):
She heard it.
Yay!

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:55):
Congratulations, Matt.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:58):
Nice.

SPEAKER_03 (01:12:59):
Now, we knew a Matt Henderson.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:02):
Yes.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:03):
So I don't know if this is Matt.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:05):
I'm sure there's lots of Matt Hendersons in the
world.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:07):
I know, but it's kind of a coincidence that we'd
have a Matthew.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:11):
Quinky dink.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:12):
Anyway, um, yes, they heard it.
We heard it.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:15):
Yes, we did it.
Congrats, Matt.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:18):
We heard the sound.
We heard the sound of the men.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:22):
There you go.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:23):
Okay.
Um, we had a good video today,don't you think?

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:26):
Yeah, that was great.
And now we're off to go watchthe Broncos.
Go Broncos.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:30):
Yeah, and we're also going to be watching the
aftermath video.
We'll be in the comments on thatas well.
Yes, we will.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:35):
We'll join the chat there so you can ask any
questions as it premieres.
And uh thank you to everyone whojoined us this fine Sunday.

SPEAKER_03 (01:13:44):
Yeah, we're having um we're we we you know, for a
long time we were goingfull-time on work, and then for
a little bit we were likefull-time doing YouTube stuff,
and we figured out a kind of ahappy medium between the two of
them.
So we try to do at leastsomething once a week.
If we don't do it on Blum forGood, the aftermath has a video.

(01:14:05):
We've been actually doing onevideo on each for many, many
months now, pretty much.
So we've got a good happymedium.
I do have some big projectscoming up, so Claire might be
rolling solo for a few weekshere and there.
We'll see.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:18):
Maybe I'll do a solo AMA episode.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:22):
Something, whatever.
Claire's gonna have to figuresomething out because I ain't
gonna.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:26):
Or Clara and I will do something.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:27):
That's a great idea.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:28):
Yeah, no, Clara was gonna put together a bunch of
questions and like That's agreat idea.
It is, I know.
I just had it.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:35):
I love that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:35):
I love I love it when you love my ideas.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:38):
Okay, guys.
Till next time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:40):
She's real.
Bye.

SPEAKER_03 (01:14:43):
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