March 7, 2025 • 70 mins
This episode explores the enigmatic figure of Xenu, a central yet often misunderstood character in Scientology’s theology. We delve into the many levels of secrecy surrounding Xenu's existence and relationship to the higher tiers of the Scientology belief system. Discussions dive into the Birthday Game, a metric-based celebration in Scientology, revealing how it draws many into an illusion of growth within the Church.
- Overview of Xenu and his significance in Scientology
- The cultural implications of discussing aliens in the Church
- Insights into the Birthday Game and its internal metrics
- Personal reflections from former Scientologists regarding their beliefs
- Examinations of David Miscavige’s leadership and its effects on the Church
- Exploration of how these narratives contrast with current realities in Scientology
If you're intrigued by the dynamics of belief and how they shape human experience, join us for this exploration of Xenu’s iconic yet controversial legacy!
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
welcome to the channel, everybody.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology stories.
I'm joined by my wife, clairehere today, here today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you for joining us.
Happy Sunday to everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
As usual, if we've got, we do have a giveaway today
, right?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, so I've got to put up the thing that says
today's words.
Today's giveaway word is HailXenu, and if you want to let us
know where you're coming, we'reokay we're having.
Oh, um, if you want to let usknow where you're coming, um,
where, okay, we're having.
Oh, it's just something.
Streamer, it's telling me that,uh, one of the uh rumble didn't
like anything.
Okay, um, yeah.
(00:53):
So tell us where you'rewatching from today and then, um
, just if you add hashtag hail Znew um to that, then you will
be entered in to our giveaway.
Today, we'll usually give awaysomething from the BFG merch
store, whether it's a hoodie ora book or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Speaking of Zinu.
It occurred to me when we weregetting ready for this.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's a good thing you never did the OT levels,
because you never would haveshut up about Zinu.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh yeah, so that's true, everybody knows.
So everybody knows.
When I was in Scientology, Inever knew about Xenu.
There was one time when acontractor was actually with me,
an outside vendor was with meat the international base and we
were going through a bunch ofdifferent computer systems that
we were going to put togetherand he was going to supply the
(01:47):
computers.
And we were in the parking lotwe're just about to leave and
we're outside smoking acigarette and he goes hey man,
so is all this stuff about thespace aliens real?
And I was like, what are youtalking about, dude?
I was like I don't knowanything about aliens.
And he was, um, he'd obviouslybeen on the internet and seen
some stuff, but yeah, I had noidea what he was talking about.
(02:09):
So I kind of just blew it off,which is the reason why if you
do talk to a Scientologist andyou ask them about the aliens,
if they're not up to operatingThetan level three, then they
genuinely do not know about thealiens.
And that is one of the reasonssome of you may think, like
(02:30):
what's mark's deal with all thealiens?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
me included.
Can you get off of it already?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
um, let me take this banner off.
Um, but scientologists that arewatching these videos.
They're not allowed to talkabout the alien stuff and Xenu
and body thetans and all that.
So they, whether you guysrealize this or not, but there
are a lot of Scientologists thatwatch our channel and so it's
(02:58):
kind of like.
I guess for them it's likegoing up to the lake and in the
car and going and kissing.
They're kind of being naughtywatching these videos because
they get to hear about all theescapades of Xenu and so on.
(03:20):
Anyone in Scientology to dealwith us or watch our videos or
comment on the videos, if wetalk about OT3 and we talk about
Xenu, then that cuts off about90% of the Scientologists that
can fair game us or engage withus and only the people, the
operatives within OSA that areOT3 or above, can be assigned to
(03:45):
do anything or comment or trollus or anything like that.
Because we're going to tell themabout the Z News story.
And, just for good measure,this is the L Ron Hubbard's
handwriting of the OT3.
That is his actual handwritingand you can see the head of the
Galactic federation, 76 planetsaround larger stars visible from
here, and it goes on and ittells the entire story of xenu
(04:10):
and how he brought all these uhpeople to t, to tgac that's what
earth was called in thegalactic federation.
They referred to it as tgac,according to hubbard, anyway.
Um, so when, when we talk aboutthese upper level materials, it
just it's just another thing,that kind of messes with those
guys.
(04:30):
So, and it's fun, I like it, Ilike Zinu, he's, he's my homeboy
, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And it does kind of prove the point too that you're
not going to die from pneumoniaby learning about this, as you,
as you proved, oh yeah, you readall the ot levels in one
sitting yeah, when claire thisnight when you were like, okay,
honey, I'm gonna do a test, soif I die tomorrow, it's all true
, and you were right, and notthat I was right, you know,
hubbard was right.
(04:57):
If I'm, if I'm gone tomorrow,it's been real.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I love you yeah, we watched the south park episode.
This is when we first escapedfrom Scientology, like I
wouldn't say like a month or twoafter we had left and I was
watching this episode of SouthPark and they start talking
about all the Xenu and all thisstuff and I'm and Claire's not
watching, she's off somewhereelse doing something which was
(05:21):
intentional, by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was terrified.
I was like I can't be watchingthat.
That's suppressive man.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Anyway.
So she comes, like she's likeoff to the side in the bedroom
or something like that.
I remember it to this day.
I'm sitting on the couch, I'mwatching this and it breaks for
a commercial and it says on thebottom of the South Park episode
if you haven't seen it, you'vegot to watch it.
It's called Trapped in theCloset.
That's the name of the episodeand it shows at the bottom of
(05:55):
the screen.
This is what Scientologistsactually believe they have, that
it's called a lower thirds inthe broadcast world.
But they have this basicallytitle at the bottom of the
screen and it's playing throughthe entire time.
They're talking about xenu andthe galactic federation and all
the body, thetans.
And so she comes up and I lookover and I go, is this for real?
And she had done up tooperating level five by the time
(06:19):
we escaped in 2005.
So she goes basically prettymuch yeah, and I was like you've
got to be kidding me.
And then I thought about thatguy who asked me about the
aliens.
He knew more than I did.
Yeah, he was only at the basefor an hour or two and he
already knew more yeah, and Ithink I should add to my comment
(06:42):
that I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's not that I believed it or anything, but at
that point they still hadleverage, imagined leverage,
that I felt like, oh, if, if Iwatch, if I don't watch it, then
there's a chance I might everbe able to talk to my family
ever again.
And then, of course, you knowwell, the rest is history.
On that, disconnection is aliveand real folks that ship sailed
(07:07):
yep but um, I was, your mindwiped me.
I was gonna tell something elseabout the, about the guy you
were talking to, about thealiens I don't remember, anyway
come back um south park it's allgood, it's all good, but anyway
the all good, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The thing I was going to say, though, is that, oh
yeah.
So after I watched the episode,I was like that's not, that's
no way, that can be real.
And then so I went on theinternet, and I did find
Operating Thetan level three,four, five, six, and I read
every single one cover, cover tocover, every single thing that
(07:45):
I could find on the internet,and so, by the end of the night,
I was OT eight, Okay and um,and I thought to myself, and I,
and we, literally I said toClaire, we got into bed, excuse
me, and I said hey, if I don'twake up in the morning, then you
know, that was it, man.
I jammed all those OT levelsdown tonight all in one sitting,
(08:08):
and then, the next morning,when I woke up and I went, I
literally took a deep breath andwent not even a sniffle.
Anyway, today's video we aregoing to talk about L Ron
Hubbard's birthday when we werein Scientology.
(08:29):
L Ron Hubbard's birthday iscelebrated every single year.
It's March 13th is his actualbirthday.
We did absolutely zero researchfor this job.
When was he born?
1918?
, 1911,?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think, 1911.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He's going to be like a hundred and something years
if he was still around, but hewas born in Nebraska, in Tilden,
nebraska.
So for all you other people,myself included, that were born
in Nebraska yeah, it's a bummer,but it is a fact he was born
there.
And so in Scientology they havethis thing where every year
(09:11):
they have an event and it'scalled the L Ron Hubbard
Birthday Day event or birthdayevent.
Yeah, the birthday event overthe world in Scientology.
But they usually do an eventlike an actual presentation
somewhere and that's just calledthe March 13th event.
And when we worked at theInternational Base, there's a
(09:39):
lot of preparations andproduction and all these things
that have to get done inpreparation for the events and
as part of the event, theyalways tell you the story of L
Ron Hubbard's birthday and theybasically go through.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well.
So so, backing up for a minute,there is a policy that's called
.
It's a LRHED 339R, blue onwhite, whatever five pages, and
in it LRH Hubbard says well, Iwould always get asked what I
want for my birthday, and so, no, I don't want anything.
(10:12):
All I want is the expansion ofScientology, and I want you to
have 5.4X the statisticsinternationally.
And that's what I want for mybirthday.
And thus the birthday game wasborn.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, so now the thing you got to dig is that
Scientology when it was firstkind of getting going in the
1950s, it was all aboutDianetics, dianetics, dianetics,
and then over the years thatevolved into Scientology,
(10:49):
involved into Scientology andHubbard was being he was
basically being sought after bythe United States authorities
for possibly starting a littlescam cult thing going here, and
so he fled to England.
And when he fled to England hegot this castle or kind of this,
this mansion in the countrysidein East Grinstead Um, what is
that?
Uh, sussex, east Grinstead, um,and West Sussex.
(11:12):
West.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Sussex.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And um, and he bought this place called St Hill and
he started basically aScientology organization at this
mansion and people would flyfrom all over the world to get
audited, get to do theScientology counseling, and get
audited by Hubbard himselfpossibly, or by somebody that
(11:37):
Hubbard was training on how todo the counseling or the
Scientology auditing, and um.
And so there was hundreds andhundreds of people there, and
later on, when L Ron Hubbardwrote this birthday game
executive directive, he told thestory of St Hill and how many
(11:57):
people were there and how manystudents were on course and how
many auditing hours were beingdone each week, and so they had
all these metrics by which theycould measure this place called
St Hill.
And so when he wrote this, hesaid he had asked the executives
of Scientology, instead ofgiving him a new tie or a new
(12:21):
sports coat or a car or whatever, what he'd like is he'd like
expansion, and if they couldexpand Scientology organizations
by the metric of 5.4x.
And that's what he basicallysaid when Scientology was first
started and then the boomhappened to go to St Hill, it
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was multiplied by 5.4, x, and sohe asked them to do this, and
then they did it.
And so then he said thebirthday game was born.
And then so every year fromthen on, all of the different
organizations would competeagainst each other using a key
(13:03):
set of metrics in Scientologyorganizations the number of
auditing hours, how manystudents are in the course room,
how many new people they'regetting in all these different
metrics, and each of the metricssort of measured the overall
production of an entireScientology organization, so
that they could see, and ifthose statistics were 5.4 times
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the amount they were before,then that the organization could
continue to thrive and getbigger and make money and the
staff could get paid and allthese other things.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, and then the other part of it too that was
covered in that directive, whichnever happened in the 30 years
that I was in Scientology, isthat when an organization
achieved that St Hill sizestatus and were awarded that,
then the universe core wassupposed to come in and audit
(13:58):
the staff to the upper levels.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah.
So that's another thing that hebasically said in this ED is if
you, if you win against all ofthe other organizations, if
you're the winner of thebirthday game, it would almost
follow that you would be St Hillsize, the size of old St Hill
back in the 1960s Hill back inthe 1960s and so every year at
(14:30):
the birthday event, they wouldalso announce any organizations
that had achieved St Hill size.
And, as part of this, if yourorganization achieved St Hill
size, then the universe core,which is this group of these
hotshot Scientology auditorsthey, a team of them, would come
to your organization and theywould audit all of the members
(14:51):
of Scientology, the staffmembers, the workers.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, well, they were supposed to.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, but that's what he's wrote in this thing that
they would come and they wouldaudit you all the way up the OT
levels.
Now, something else that DavidMiscavige entered into this is
that when all organizationsreached the size of old St Hill,
then OTs 9 and 10 would bereleased.
(15:20):
And so there was this big pushfor everybody who was a clear to
get to OT1.
And if you were an OT3 to getto OT8.
And basically everybody had toget all the way up to the top of
the Scientology counselingbecause they're going to release
OT9 and OT10.
(15:40):
And so this birthday game was away for all Scientologists to
sort of be rallied around thesame thing get themselves all
the way up the OT levels, get asmany people into Scientology in
their area so that theirorganization could go St Hill
size or joining staff orwhatever it was to make their
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organization as big as this, theSt Hill back in the sixties,
and based on this L Ron Hubbardexecutive directive, then they
then Scientology would clear theplanet.
Yep, so that is sort of thestory of L Ron Hubbard's
birthday and how that went.
Okay, and when we, when, whenwe were in Scientology everyone
(16:27):
in Scientology knows about thebirthday game.
There's no way you don't knowthis is happening and you know
the whole story we just told youand why and what we're going to
get and all these other things.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Not many people know about Xenu, but everybody knows
about the birthday game Not manypeople know about Xenu, but
everybody knows about thebirthday game.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's right.
They know 100% about thebirthday game, okay.
So basically that's the bit andthat's what they.
The birthday event where theycelebrate in Scientology.
They do this every year.
They have the L Ron Hubbardbirthday event and they go
around and they show.
The theme of that event isexpansion and how Scientology is
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expanding all over the world.
Now that's tough in today's agebecause this has been sort of
documented.
Now, with AI and other newtechnologies, scientology may
have had around 65,000 peopletotal that were going into
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organizations and taking coursesand doing things.
It's height it might be.
For a while we thought it was100,000.
It actually might be closer to60,000, based on analyzing all
the magazines.
They said how many peoplecompleted and who was active in
all of the different countries.
So in the 80s they wereprobably in the 60, 65, 60,000.
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And since then they have beencontracting nonstop.
Since then they have beencontracting nonstop.
Basically since L Ron Hubbard'sdeath in 1986, in January of
1986, scientology was on a kindof a gradual, steady decline.
And then when David Miscavigereleased what he dubbed the
(18:20):
golden age of technology withinthe Scientology sphere, then
statistics steadily, even divedeven further down, and that was
in 1996, 1995-ish, mid-90s.
Scientology went even downfurther and that also coincided
with release of the operatingThetan levels and pretty much
(18:43):
all of the FBI files onScientology, how Scientology
perpetrated large infiltrationin the United States government
and its history All of thosedocuments in the that was.
That happened in the seventiesand the early eighties, but all
of those documents are on theinternet.
You can read all aboutScientology and Operation Snow
White and Operation Freakout andOperation Bloody Butt and all
(19:08):
these other crazy things thatare on the internet, and so the
more information people have onScientology, the less people get
into Scientology.
This is an inoculation sessionright now, okay, so you don't
fall prey to Scientology inthere Nonsense, anyway.
So that's the story of thebirthday, okay, the birthday
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game and Elron Humbert'sbirthday.
Okay, fast forward to early2000s.
First of all, when we wereworking at the international
headquarters no-transcript I wasquality control for the
(20:08):
broadcast truck, all differentthings.
As part of that, when you'reproducing these videos, we have
to shoot a video of thisorganization that's gone St Hill
size, and in order to do that,we have to show all these
different metrics in real life,not just on a graph.
And one of the ways we do thatwas we would just get people in
(20:32):
off the street and dress themand put them in the course room
to show that the course roomswere full.
There weren't students in thecourse room, which is what the
metrics measure.
The course rooms were empty andwe'd fill them for the video to
show that they were full.
And the same thing with the,the different, different
statistics.
We would never, we wouldsometimes not show the figures,
(20:54):
we just show the graph andthere's no figures on the graph.
So if they doubled the amountof pre clears in the, in the, in
the, the, the people gettingcounseling in the organization,
oh what?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Can you guys still hear us?
Can you still hear us?
Oh, what, the what, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Hold on what just happened.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We had a blackout.
We're still here, we're stillrecording.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh, we can hear.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, I know we can hear us, but we don't have any
video.
So hold on, hold on.
Okay, oh, you know what thatvideo, so hold on, hold on okay,
oh, you know what that was me.
There you go.
Sorry, you're good.
Somehow I hit the fade to black, oh sorry about that, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Um, okay, that's a new one I don't even know where
that button is.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So, uh, take it easy.
You know, I think I was wavingmy hand and I did a little
flippy flip.
Yep, okay, that's me, dr's me,dr.
Talk with his hands, okay.
Not the first time that'shappened, nor will it be my
hands down here, bts activate,okay, so I don't remember.
I wore oh, we're putting theseevents together.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We're having to make up stories fake videos.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, so that's a little bit of a clue to me.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I don't know if this birthday game thing is all
cracked up to be what it'ssupposed to be Right, because
you're going to these big, shinyorganizations that have
allegedly achieved this amazing,legendary status of St Hill
size and yet, in reality, theweek before they were auditing
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one person and now they'reauditing two people.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
They doubled, but they justwent from one to two and you're
supposed to have like 200 or 150or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Anyway.
Okay, so over the years we'reseeing there's there's a little
bit of fudging going on here.
There's definitely we'refudging this.
This is not legit for sure, andthis happens everywhere.
And the people that are inthese places, that's another
thing.
You just the cognitivedissonance is astounding.
There's people that live andwork in the area.
(23:08):
Like, if you're in let's justtalk about where the Ohio
Scientology Center.
There's people that live inOhio.
They've been to the org.
There's nobody ever in thereand there's nobody on course.
There's nobody gettingcounseling, there's nobody
walking in the front door.
And then they see the crew comehere to shoot this video and
they're like, hey, you got tocome into the org and sit in the
course room because we're doinga video, so they are part of it
(23:30):
too.
We would get as manyScientologists into the place to
do it, but then we'd also spikethe deck and just get people
off the street too.
I mean, if there's 30 seats andwe get 20 Scientologists,
there's going to be 10 peopleoff the street.
Or even sometimes I'll tell youwe would dress up the staff of
the Scientology organization andtake them, take their uniforms
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off and put on civilian clothesand then have them sit in the
course room.
So even the people that arewatching the video are seeing
the course supervisor sitting inthe seat being a student as
part of the video.
They're seeing all this Everyone.
That's why when you, when yousay there's a lot of cognitive
dissonance in Scientology,scientologists see these things
(24:16):
here and there and they noticethings and they hear things and
people get sent off to for aproject and you never see them
for 10 years and it was upbecause they were on the
rehabilitation project, the uhprison camp or whatever anyway.
So that's the birthday game.
That's a bunch of that stuff.
Now fast forward to the early2000s, when the hole was created
(24:42):
by David Miscavige and theywould have these things.
What would you call them?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
group confessions, david Miscavige would order that
basically, all the topexecutives are losers and
they're out ethics and they'reoff purpose and they're not
getting his orders done.
So therefore he would.
He would say that's it, you'reall in treason, you're not going
to do anything until you'veconfessed to your crimes.
And the format that would takewas group confessions of
literally a giant conferenceroom with all these management
(25:19):
executives just confessing toalleged crimes.
That would explain why theyweren't getting David
Miscavige's orders done.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, Now here's the clincher Almost all of those
executives were the sameexecutives that were in
Scientology when L Ron Hubbardtold them.
I want you to 5.4 times thestatistics and get them up to
the size of Old St Hill.
Right, which was in the 80s,which was in the 80s, and we're
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talking about Mark Yeager,guillaume Lasserve, ray Midoff,
mark Ingber, all these cats thatwere the head executives,
executive director,international commanding officer
, commodore's messengerorganization international, the
senior case supervisor,international case supervisor
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international.
All these got the watchdogcommittee chairman.
All of these guys were the onesthat were in charge of
Scientology when Hubbard wasdictating and telling them what
they're supposed to be doing.
Because he wasn't supposed tobe running Scientology, because
the government was trying toprove the Nerman and he was
benefiting.
It was a nonprofit.
He was getting all the money.
It wasn't going to anybody else.
He's not paying anybodyanything, it's all going to him.
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So he was managing Scientology,but these guys were supposed to
be the guys doing it and he wasjust telling them what to do
anyway.
So in I was in some of thesegroup confessions that had to
take place and I'm sitting inthere and these guys are
admitting that they falsifiedthe statistics to L Ron Hubbard
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when he told them to 5.4 X, allthe statistics and get the
organizations up to size of oldSt Hill.
And they lied.
They told him he wasn'tanywhere near Scientology.
He was in the middle of theCalifornia at a horse ranch in
Creston, or he was in Hemet,california, walking down the
street looking like ColonelSanders.
(27:25):
He wasn't doing anything withScientology.
So they basically lied to himand the person that was in
charge of getting messages to LRon Hubbard was David Miscavige.
So they would say these are thereports of what's happening in
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Scientology and they would writethose up and they would give
them to Miscavige.
And Miscavige would bring themto this guy named Pat Broker and
Pat Broker was the one actuallywith Hubbard and then they
would meet at a phone booth offof a highway in Riverside and
then they would exchange thesepackages to them, to Dave, and
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Dave would give all the messagesfrom the management to Pat and
then he'd take them to Hubbardand they would do this handoff.
David Miscavige didn't knowwhere Hubbard was.
Pat knew where he was and theyhad all these ways.
They would go and blacked outvans, and they would.
(28:28):
If you went to theinternational headquarters you
had to be blindfolded so youcouldn't see where you were
going, even though it's likejust off of Highway 79.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
All because Hubbard didn't want to get caught by the
government and by theauthorities.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because somebody didn't want to trace something
to the internationalheadquarters and then be able to
trace it from the internationalheadquarters to then to the Pat
and Dave meeting and thenfollow Pat to get to Hubbard.
Okay, so I'm sitting here inthese meetings, I'm going to
hold on a second.
The whole thing about the, thewhole, this whole birthday game,
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the whole thing is all basedoff of this thing that he said,
hey, 5.4, x, the statistics, andthen they did it, and then the
birthday game was born.
It was all bullshit.
They never did anything.
They falsified all thestatistics.
And here's the clincher guys.
They've been doing it theentire time.
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It's never changed.
And Dave, he knew this thewhole time because he was the
one passing the messages.
He knew Scientology wasn'texpanding, but he was passing it
on, so he had something on them.
And when he took over he waslike I know all the nonsense you
guys all been up to and I'mgoing to tell everybody about it
(29:46):
, unless I get to take over andyou guys all do what I say.
He's just the giant dirtcollector, yeah this was how
David people go like well, howdid he do this?
And how did he basically wascollecting dirt on folks and
even Pat Broker, who also, whenhe was bringing messages to
Hubbard, he was also bringingbankers, boxes of cash to
(30:11):
Hubbard, because Hubbardinsisted that they were stealing
and losing his money, whichthey were, David Miscavige and
these guys were in.
They got 30 million they lostin bad oil, fake oil, wills in
Oklahoma and 30 million whateverthey were gambling in Vegas and
they were up to all kinds ofnonsense.
(30:32):
But Broker had been skimming alittle off the top himself and
because he was taking cash fromdifferent locations to Hubbard,
he was basically carrying largeamounts of cash over state lines
which you're not supposed to do.
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It's not the most legal thing.
And because Miscavige had beenkeeping track of all the amounts
and where Pat was going to, heknew that he was going to
Arizona or he knew he was goingto Vegas or he knew he was
coming from here to California.
He just didn't know where inCalifornia or where in Arizona
or where in whatever stateHubbard was hiding out in.
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And so because he had dirt onPat and he had dirt on everybody
else, he got rid of Pat,because L Ron Hubbard may or may
not have told Pat he was goingto take over, but Pat made it
look like Hubbard was going tolet him take over, and so David
Miscavige was having none ofthat and he ratted all these
(31:36):
guys.
He basically he had dirt on allsides so he could take over and
nobody could contest him.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, and, to be fair , actually I think that's a huge
part of why the hole wascreated and why those executives
were put in lockup and havebeen vanished off the face of
Scientology completely isbecause those people, including
Shelley Miscavige, are the oneswho do actually know the truth.
No public Scientologist knowswhat did or didn't happen in
(32:06):
regards to David Miscavigetaking over Scientology.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, but the whole reason of today's video is this
birthday game idea and that inScientology it's sort of a
sacred thing, this wholebirthday game idea, and it's a
bunch.
It's basically all based on abunch of lies that never
happened and all of theexecutives of Scientology know
(32:32):
this.
They know all about all this.
And even over the years, all ofthese places that they've
determined were St Hill sizehave all not really been that
and they've all failed or closedor moved.
Or if you walk in there today,there's seven people in there,
including the staff or whateverit is.
It's a bunch of nonsense andthe craziest part of it is that
(32:56):
all Scientologists know this butnone of them acknowledge it.
And even so, much to the pointthat when Hubbard, when
Miscavige, realized that the StHill size thing was a dud and
they're never going to be ableto do it, he changed the
requirement to release OTs 9 and10 to all organizations need to
(33:20):
be ideal orgs.
So this ideal org standard,it's not a metrics-based
standard anymore, it's abuilding-based standard and the
strategy switched over to thisis Miscavige.
This is all Miscavige.
L Ron Hubbard, in Hubbardpolicies and Scientology
(33:41):
policies, has stated that theexact opposite of what the ideal
organization program should be.
He said you don't need fancyquarters, you don't need snazzy
this, you don't need real estate, you just need to counsel and
deliver Scientology technologyto the people, and your
organization will be giant.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, and Hubbard said too no fundraising, no
donations.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
None of that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's right.
Hubbard said that.
He basically said there's two.
That's a good point.
He said there's two things thatare forbidden in Scientology
conventions, or what they nowcall events.
Hubbard said never to do thoseand he said don't do fundraising
.
And those are the two thingsthat Miscavige solely does.
(34:27):
Now he just gets.
They basically buy status inScientology Patron glutus
maximus more meritorious.
And they give him $10 millionand he gives them like a just
giant bowling statue and butthese things are expensive, like
some of these trophies are like10,000 bucks for these
Scientologists.
(34:47):
I don't even know where you putthem.
You have to have a custom standjust to hold these things
Anyway, so that's so.
That's sort of the.
It became by historic buildingsand and some of these buildings
are so big when and this is oneof the last kind of things when
they when right before we leftwas when the ideal org thing was
(35:10):
really taking off in the earlytwo thousands.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I had to.
I was doing the audio visualand all these.
I went to New York.
I did a bunch of stuff in LosAngeles.
I had guys when we went toAfrica and we were putting in
theaters and we were putting innew projection screens and motor
we were, we were getting a tonof dough to trick out the audio
visual for these new idealorganizations.
And we had we, we had just doneone in Boston, no, buffalo, we
(35:44):
had done one in Buffalo and wewe got.
We said hey, what's happening?
Why can't you guys use thisprojection screen?
The place was just went idealand they just got all this new
stuff and we needed them to takea picture of their theater and
operations so that we could, wecould do components on our end
that we had done the stuff wewere supposed to do and submit
(36:06):
it.
And they said we can't.
We can't do it because when wewere, when they were testing the
heaters, theyers, the airconditioner was too close to the
projection screen and we cookedthe screen.
It's all brown, it's burnt.
It almost caught on fire and wehad been trying to get them to
(36:26):
fix this and then they told usoh, it's not a problem, we're
going to be able to fix it nextweek.
And I said, well, what about theheat?
And they said we don't haveenough money to pay the heating
bill.
So they turned off the heat sothat we're not, we can do it, we
can do the work.
We need to do it.
We won't.
I'm like, well, what about theheat?
We don't have enough money.
We're going to have to figureout what.
That's another problem, and I'mthinking to myself this place
(36:49):
just wasn't announced as anideal organization like a few
months ago.
And they don't have enoughmoney to pay the heating bill,
buffalo.
So, and that the staff don'thave enough.
They get all these fancyuniforms.
They don't have enough money todry clean them and they're not
allowed to wash them becausethey're dry clean.
Only kind of really fancy suits, these little um, maitre d and
(37:12):
like valets, valet, uh, parkparking guy suits that the
scientologists wear.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Little vampires, little parking that replaced the
vampires sailor uniforms, theyeah, navy nautical knockoff
uniforms david miscavige gets alot of flack.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Fake navy davy gets a lot of flack for the fake navy
stuff.
So they've kind've kind ofshifted away from the naval look
the sea organization.
They're not trying to be somuch sea anymore and just
organization.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But, by the way you know, the other reason that they
made that shift is because,with the sea organization and
the terms and everything else,he is Captain David Muscavige
and that then justifies in anylawsuits that he should be
served and he should have to bedeposed and should have to
answer for what's going onbecause he runs everything which
(38:04):
he does.
But there's nothing thatterrifies David Miscavige more
than the possibility of beingdeposed.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I just wanted to show this just because it's funny.
Love Food Kitchen.
Thanks for the comment.
She said Tom Cummins used tohave all his bowling trophies in
his office.
Imagine having a businessmeeting with him and having try
not to snigger at the uglytrophies all over the place.
Oh, don't you know it.
The reason I wanted to readthis is my sister, stephanie.
(38:34):
I'm not going to say her lastname, just because I'm Long time
.
Well, I wasn't going to dox her, I didn't say it.
Anyway, that's all.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Took me on for took me a second.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It was that one.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Not me.
I didn't say it, I said thefirst sound.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Anyway, my sister works for Tom Cummins, or she
did a few years ago.
Somebody that worked there toldme Anyway, tom Cummins is a
bigwig Scientology guy down in,I want to say, in Florida, in
the Tampa area, maybe Miami, andhe is one of their big guys.
(39:09):
Now he's got a big company.
He basically resells utilitiesin different places, like in
Florida, maybe elsewhere as well, and he gives a lot of dough.
I think he's given tens ofmillions of dollars to
Scientology Anyway, so, soScientology celebrates.
(39:33):
The thing they celebrate onMarch 13th, when it all comes
down to it, is expansion, and soit's funny that they've been
contracting since the 1980ssteadily and they're having an
event every year to talkarguably that they are expanding
(39:54):
is their real estate holdings,from getting money from wealthy
Scientologists and turning thatinto real estate.
And they're just.
They basically are a giant realestate investment corporation
that holds the real estate andthey're only buying historic
properties.
Real estate is and the and thethey're only buying historic
(40:17):
properties.
They're renovating theseproperties mostly with free sea
organization, labor free,meaning you know they're paying
cents on the dollar.
I think the last we heard theywere.
We heard that they had raisedthe seahorse, paid, I think a
hundred dollars in some placesyeah, or 75 and and it's being
paid by direct deposit.
Yeah, so that they cannot notpay that's right and um, and
(40:38):
then somebody told me thatthey'd lowered it back down
again.
So I don't know the current,but even if you're paying
somebody a hundred bucks a weekand they're working this, the
regular c-org schedule, the bareminimum c-org schedule, is 100
hours a week.
The general Sea Org schedulethat Sea Org members actually do
is 120.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And the reduced schedule is like 80.
No, yeah, yeah, exactly 40 to80 is reduced like when you're
in your 70s.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
If you're elderly, they give you an 80-hour week or
maybe a 40-hour week if you'reelderly.
I never got to say this Okay,where's my camera?
Give me this camera.
Okay, give me right down thebarrel.
Somebody commented I said 65was the retirement or was
(41:29):
considered elderly.
And somebody out there I'mgoing to say they were over 65
or 65 or older.
They crawled up those commentsand were like 65 is not
considered elderly.
I don't know where you'regetting your information.
That's not when you get intoretirement.
Anyway, I Googled that and itis 65 is when all that stuff
(41:51):
starts Retirement, elderly,cheaper coffee at McDonald's and
like a half-priced McMuffin Allthat stuff starts at 65.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Maybe they were from a different country and it's
different in other countries,who knows?
I?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
don't know, but 65 is considered elderly.
That's when elderly-nism starts, Anyway, I was so waiting to
tell that and I always forget itwas months ago whenever this
happened.
Anyway, I was so waiting totell that and I always forget it
was months ago whenever thishappened, anyway but also okay.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So before we dive off and get into comments and stuff
, to the other pieces, there aretwo main theories of what
Hubbard's plan was when he died.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Number one is he was going off to target two,
whatever that might be undefinedtarget two, which means I guess
planet earth was target one.
But then, more importantly,there was an advice, a
confidential written documentfrom Hubbard that nobody other
than high level like DavidMiscavige and Shelley and so
(42:55):
forth could know.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, Let me just say the reason it was called an
advice is because he wasn'tsupposed to be managing
Scientology.
So everything that he wrote tothem, it was tight.
They titled them advice so thathe wouldn't get in trouble if
they found all these documentsout of all these documents.
(43:16):
So it's the craziest thing tothis day, all of those, that
whole body of documents fromthat time period, are all
referred to as the advices.
That's how they talk to them.
So you know, like when there'sthe commandments and there's
this, the book of this they havein Scientology, they have the
same thing.
There's those are advices,these are, and these are his
research notes, and these arethe policies and these are,
these are and these are hisresearch notes, and these are
the policies and these are thebulletins and these are the
(43:37):
executive directives and theseare the flag orders.
And they have what is the thosetabs, the auditor bulletin, and
they have all these differentbodies of technology.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, and not to go down a separate rabbit hole
(44:15):
no-transcript thing.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
There was a project for a long time to take these
advices and then issue them asexecutive orders or executive
directives or in the in in inthe golden era productions, we
have these things called CINIexecutive directives, cini
standing for cinematography.
(44:43):
So almost all of those thatbody of advices were turned into
executive direct.
The dude's gone and dead now,so it doesn't matter if he was
running it or if he wasn't oryou know whatever.
So they just issued those allas permanent policies for the
seat for the C organization unitknown as golden era productions
.
They have that body of whatthey refer to as technology to
(45:08):
go from and some of these things.
I mean there was no internetback then, there was no digital
audio, there was no, and theseare all and there's.
And there was no internet backthen, there was no digital audio
, there was no video likehigh-definition 4K video.
So a lot of these policies anda lot of these directives are
based on technology from the 70sand the early 80s and um, yeah,
(45:32):
but there is a computerizeddatabase that has libraries of
every single one of these bodiesof information.
Lecture and what's it called?
Sir and what does service standfor?
source information retrievalthat's the system and depending
on what security clearances youhave in the C organization you
(46:03):
are, these bodies or thesedirectories of technology are
opened up to you.
So if you're not up at theinternational level, you don't
have access to cinematography,the cine, eds or certain things.
And if you're in golden eraproductions, you don't
necessarily have all the accessto the advices that deal with
management.
You only have the advices whichare dealt with golden era
productions were supposed toabide by.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
So, for example, author services had their own
set.
Religious technology center,which is David Miscavige's
organization, had its own set.
(46:45):
And, by the way, one of thoseadvices is where Hubbard says oh
, religion is a, an implant tocontrol people on the whole
track.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, isn't that one of the RTC advices?
Yeah, yeah.
So then that's where he doesdetail out the purpose of
Religious Technology Center andthe Church of Spiritual
Technology and all thesedifferent authored services and
(47:16):
all these organizations thatkind of nobody knows about.
They were all created in theearly 80s, before Hubbard's
death, on the advice ofattorneys and people trying to
reorganize Scientology.
So they could never get toHubbard and it would always end.
There was enough cutouts andenough in between men on the
(47:38):
money and the money he wasgetting Intentional, elaborate
corporate structures of layerupon layer upon layer.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
that we've has been well documented at various
different times.
But back to the back from therabbit hole.
We just went down about theadvices, the point being one
theory was that Hubbard wasgoing off to Target too.
Yeah, but the other one was anadvice that said he was coming
back by a certain date, that'sright.
(48:06):
That date is now like close toalmost like 15, 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The date was in 2007.
Yeah, and he told Ray Midoffthe date Right.
And he also this is anotherfunny thing David Miscavige
would give Ray Midoff a crapabout this all the time, like it
was a regular thing for yearsand years and years that Hubbard
essentially told Ray Midoffwhat OT nine and 10 were.
(48:32):
He explained to it because RayMidoff would audit L Ron Hubbard
on these levels that Hubbardwould create.
Then he would tell Ray Midoffor somebody, one of the
gentlemen who did a lot of that,what was?
The guy who was the big SP ofthe 1980s?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh no, david Mayo.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
David Mayo was one, a person that audited Hubbard on
the L rundowns and different OTlevels and stuff, and he,
hubbard, would tell him what thecounseling was supposed to be,
and then David Mayo would put LRon Hubbard on the e-meter and
then he would do the proceduresand whatever.
Anyway, ray Midoff was anotherone of these guys that Hubbard
(49:11):
had entrusted with thetechnology that he was going to
leave behind and um, and raymidoff just forgot what ot9 and
10 was, just just like spaced it.
Also there's somebody askedthis in a comment, um on a video
the other day and I'll just sayum, he asked if, uh, lsd being
a disqualification for the Corganization when that sort of
(49:33):
happened, if that was a resultof the government doing all
these experiments and kind ofsecret programs dosing people
with LSD.
And I think the answer to thatis that Hubbard, a large
majority of the people thatjoined the Sea Org in its early
days in the the 70s and the 80s,had taken LSD, and so Hubbard
(49:58):
spent hundreds and thousands ofhours trying to fix these people
.
That would just trip balls inthe middle of the day when they
were doing the purificationrundown or running in the desert
.
No, not allegedly.
When Hubbard was researchingthe purification rundown, he was
taking Sea Org members at thebase at Golden Era Productions,
(50:20):
specifically Golden EraProductions.
This is not a lot of peopleknow this.
Golden Era Productions was LRon Hubbard's guinea pigs for
all the stuff he developed inScientology Word clearing, study
, tech, the false purposerundown, key to life, life
orientation.
He was studying the golden eraproductions people and a ton of
(50:42):
these people were frickinghippies before they got into
Scientologists and they weretripping balls all the time.
But he had these two guyswearing wetsuits and it was
golden era productions in themiddle of the desert.
So it's like 120 degrees in thesummer.
He had these guys put wetsuitson and run around town and one
of these guys just startedtripping balls in the corner and
(51:02):
he basically was just freakingout and the dude that was with
him didn't know what to do.
This was, I want to say it wasrick cruisin and I don't know if
.
Charlie Rush, I think it was.
Those are the two guys thatthis story involves and um, and
they were gone for so long onthis run that they were
(51:25):
considered that they blew, andso they called a blow drill.
And that's when they go to huntpeople down and bring them back
to the property.
And then in some half an hourhour later they've happened upon
them on this corner, where oneof them was totally fine and the
other one was tripping balls.
And that's how Hubbarddiscovered that when you're
(51:46):
doing the purification rundown,they didn't have any fancy
saunas at first.
Hubbard just wanted to see howhe could get somebody to sweat,
so that's why they were wearingwetsuits in the summer in 120
degrees, because you're going tosweat.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, and my point, by the way, is that.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
That makes a good narrative.
I never saw I personally neversaw any evidence of the research
that.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Oh yeah, no, that was the research, it was just
handsome dudes running around.
But my point being that he didnthe research, it was just
handsome dudes running around,but my point being that he
didn't discover it.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Because of that he he stated hey, this is the what's
wrong with you guys, andessentially go the.
Then facts evolve and thatbecomes, oh yeah, see,
confirmation of what he figuredout.
And my point too is you knowhow we, maybe they were getting
two hours of sleep where theyactually tripping balls.
(52:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, the other thing also is that that's why the
purification rundown is done ina sauna now, because they
thought the cops were going tocatch them because they were out
in the middle of nowhererunning around in the desert
with web suits on.
So somebody said, hey, we can'tdo that anymore.
What are we going to do?
We could buy a sauna and thenthey could just sit in the sauna
(53:00):
and that would make them sweatand that would get the LSD trips
to go, or whatever.
Okay, I don't know how we gotunder that, but let's just go to
the comments and do somegiveaways we got a few minutes
left here.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
We went down a lot of rabbit holes there.
Holy moly, thanks for bearingwith us.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
This is a good Scientology story, though.
That's what we wanted to do.
We wanted to flush out somegood Scientology stories.
I think that the research ofthe purification rundown and
these guys running around withwet seats on in the desert
that's a good story.
We've got tons more of thosetoo, but you want to go through
(53:39):
some of these starred commentshere?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yep, you're going to pull them up.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'll pull them up.
I love it, I love it Becky, bigbrother fan.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yes, I adore a Sunday evening live with Mark, claire
and their chat.
Yay, thank you so much toeverybody who's joined us here.
Becca, hello, betsy Sue, justcall chat.
Yay, thank you so much toeverybody who's joined us here.
Becca, hello, uh, betsy sue,just call me betsy hail zenu.
Yes, indeed, good to see you,betsy sue.
Thanks for being here.
Uh, love it.
Joining us from golden.
Yay, um trevon on joining fromnetherlands.
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All right, uh, cool, jane, hifrom South Carolina.
Hello, yeah, we forgot to doour checking in with people at
the beginning.
M Hello from Washington State.
Awesome, oh, that was M.
That was the mysterious M fromlast week.
Hello, claire and Mark.
Greetings from the UK.
Thank you, thank you.
Good to see the Hedley beardstill there.
(54:33):
Yes, there, yes, indeed, quitethe distinguished look, honey or
santa, depending on yourperspective.
Jake lloyd, you're ot late.
I'm ot great awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Thank you, abe, for the super sticker we appreciate
it.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
We got a.
Uh, yeah, that's cool.
Thank you, abe.
Yeah, I think I was looking athis little avatar there.
It looks like I don't know.
It looks like something out ofsome video game or something.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Jess same day as Danny Masterson's birthday.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Oh, that's right.
His birthday is on March 13th.
Good for him.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
But you want to know another awesome coincidence.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The date that I escaped Scientology happens to
be the date that L Ron Hubbarddied.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh, I do.
I know that Is it the 26th 24th24th, that's right.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Which I didn't even know.
So it was a completelyunintentional coincidence.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, now, I normally wouldn't say this, but I just
remembered it, and today is theonly possibly appropriate day to
mention this story.
But when we worked at theinternational headquarters and
Claire can vouch for this DavidMiscavige, on a regular basis,
teased Guillaume Le Serve andmark yeager of having a
(55:57):
relationship with each other.
This was a constant thing formany, many, many, many years,
and at one meeting it was Ithink it was for march 13th
event- but.
But before you say, it bearsmentioning, they were, they were
both married he made them sleepin bunk beds in the same room,
even when they were married toother people.
He made them sleep in the sameroom together.
(56:18):
David Miscavige made him sleepon bunk beds, but in a meeting I
want to say it was for March13th event he said and I will
never forget this for the onlytime, forever.
He said the only expansion thateither of them had ever caused
in their lives was when theywere sticking it to each other
(56:39):
in their backsides.
That is what David and he usedmuch more profane language.
I watered it down but he saidDavid Miscavige, chairman of the
board fake Navy Davey, accusedthe executive director
international and the commandingofficer of the Commodore's
Messenger Organization ofexpansion in that method.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
And, by the way, this was not just a one-time
instance.
He did this so many times, andat the time Mark and Guillaume
were staying in the samebuilding where Shelley and David
Miscavige also slept, and so he, as you said, made them sleep
in the same room together.
(57:23):
And this bullying and thisincessant, just gross.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Non-stop In meetings with 20, 30 other people.
He would speak in explicitdetail of what they were up to
with each other.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, and it went on so much that eventually Mark and
Guillaume were like that's itand they took their mattresses
out of that room and drug themacross the property to somewhere
else.
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
And then he yelled at them for taking their
mattresses.
He said they were making himwrong and they taking their
mattresses.
He said he, they were makinghim wrong and they took their
mattresses and dragged themoutside and he made them drag
them back at like three o'clockin the morning, um, and it keeps
them of being non-compliantanyhow, whatever.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Again another rabbit hole.
So let's get back to ourcomments.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I don't get some super chats coming in all right,
jason, hello, mark and claire.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I'm going to citizens for responsibility and
ethicists.
Ethic, ethics six in washingtontomorrow to report my findings.
Wish me luck.
Hope all is well with you.
Awesome good luck um becky.
Big brother fan.
Question claire how did youcope with the atmosphere of
stress working so close toMiscavige and Religious
(58:35):
Technology Center?
It must have been emotionallytraumatic, yeah, very much so.
By the time I left I was acomplete and utter train wreck.
There was no easy way to dealwith that stress, but you know
it was an environment and aworld where you just tried to
make it through each day andsurvive and, you know, under
(59:00):
terrible threats of extremepunishment if you failed.
So yep, there you have it.
That's my short answer.
Harvey Denton, thank you forthe super sticker.
Appreciate it.
Barbara Bell again supersticker.
Thank you.
Hereara bell again supersticker, thank you here's a good
one for you, claire.
Hey trevon on question claire,how's your book going?
(59:22):
Okay, so it's been a ride.
Um, I, really I.
I have now been working on itevery day.
I'm 40,000 words in roughly,and I have some amazing people
helping me and it's just been.
It's been a ride, so it's been,I'm working, I did.
The beginning part of the bookfocuses on the three weeks after
(59:47):
Mark escaped.
So you know, for anyone whohasn't read, blown for Good
Behind the Iron Curtain ofScientology covers Mark's life
in Scientology and his escapeand then how we reunited three
weeks after, because you left onJanuary 4th and I escaped on
January 24th.
So the first part of the bookdetails those crazy three weeks,
(01:00:12):
the insanity and everythingthat I went through in great
detail to escape, and then Icircle back to being born into
Scientology, being named afterthe state of clear Claire,
french for clear.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's okay, you don't have to tell the whole book.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You don't even have to get it now.
That's it.
You know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
A lot of people have asked this question, so I'm
giving an in-depth answer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Read the next super holy moly stay tuned for more,
all right, uh, fancy pants longtime and steadfast fans.
Keep it up.
Thank you very, very much.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It's not always easy, but we are persistent if I'm
gonna show you this one, this isright um same day, oh same day,
that challenger space shuttleso I heard this story because um
amy scoby is the niece of dickscoby, who was the commander of
(01:01:10):
the challenger shuttle, and andshe got called on that day and
on the day the Challenger blewup because her uncle was the
commander, and when she was inScientology she said that they
were rejoicing because they knewthat L Ron Hubbard's death
(01:01:30):
wouldn't get covered in thepress, it would get buried
because the space shuttle was somuch bigger news.
So David Miscavige and otherswere happy that it happened,
because then it kind of got themoff the hot seat of that.
But yes, that is true, okay,and wow, we've got Tyler just
(01:01:51):
showed up, just popped in.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Glad you're all still up to this digging the beard.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Nice Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Your beard has become the star of the show, honey.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yeah Well, how are you going to keep warm?
Okay, here's a good one.
I saw this one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
All right, morbid curiosity, oh Maria Martins.
Hello, did Dave and Shellysleep on the same bed?
No, they did not, not theentire time we were there, in
fact, I don't know what it wasat the beginning, but when I
became aware of where they slept, they were in separate rooms,
even not even not in the samebed, but in separate rooms
(01:02:26):
altogether.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, oh, here's a good one from Catherine.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Catherine, no one's getting $100 anymore.
After the chase wave theyweren't even paying the yearly
bonuses.
There you go Yearly bonuseswhat are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
At the end base I think we got yearly bonuses like
three times in 15 years Yearlybonuses.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And any bonuses were less than the money we had not
been paid.
That was even the $46 a week.
Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, On my social security statement.
It has three years in thenineties where it's zero.
They literally reported not asingle penny paid out from I
think it was, I want to say 1990to like 1993.
It was actually right beforethe IRS exemption and the only
reason we started getting paidafter that is because now they
had to follow the rules and theywere saying that they were
(01:03:14):
paying us, so they actually hadto pay us.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
And which included that staff had to file tax
returns.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah Well, most people just didn't do it Right.
She did because in RTC theyactually did get paid, most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
But yeah, for the longest time Mark would joke
about how the payroll officerwas maintaining headly savings
and loan for all of our back paythat we hadn't been paid.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Thousands and thousands.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
All right, do they still get dressed up in sailor
suits?
Question yeah, and we touchedon that, that the nautical
uniforms were gotten rid of, andthey did.
They've done several iterationsnow of uniform upgrades and, as
Mark commented, I think you'reon point that the current ones
look like valet uniforms andrestaurant hostess people.
(01:04:01):
Yeah, okay, spanglish InglewoodIdeal Org couldn't afford
toilet paper per CarandellaCarrier and saying so, listen,
inglewood, you just reminded meof something I wanted to say
yeah, inglewood you justreminded me of something I
wanted to say.
Yeah, we were in Colorado and wegot a phone call saying hey,
come on down and help with theInglewood Org renovations.
Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
That's right.
I almost went to LA and showedup because I'm like you called
me.
Okay, they called us.
They called us.
They're so insane.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
We, literally our lawsuit was going on at that
time when they called us.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
It was crazy.
Okay, I think that's going tocall it here's.
I'm just going to put some funones up.
I'll read it real quick.
Hey, Mark, Claire and Mark.
Can you believe Miscavige stillcelebrates Elmer Hubbard's
birthday?
Lolz, hey.
Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Witness Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Oh, we got it Post Witness hello.
Oh, we got it Post-Aid.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Alex, sorry I'm late to the party.
D B, t and Turbulation.
Oh so this is Deputy B, t andTurbulation.
I see AO IA, sp, uk reportingfor duty.
Nice, good to see you, alex.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Here's another one from Alex.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Nowadays Scientology struggled to scrape together the
86 staff needed to make idealsize, let alone St Hill size.
There you go, yeah, and in factso much so that at a certain
point, as we've learned from anumber of people now, they took
Sea Org members and put them,just moved them to the ideal org
to kind of cover up that theydidn't have those numbers.
Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, here's this just in case we'll put out an
APB on this.
If anyone has a copy of the LRon Hubbard birthday event in
2014, please send it in LondonOrg1 and I'm featured in it.
Yeah, let's try to get Alexsome footage of him in the
Scientology realm.
You know, it's funny, theseorganizations.
(01:05:52):
When I worked on the events, wewould do a thing where we would
post-produce the event.
It would get edited and remixedand we would put it out on DVD
and those DVDs would go out toall organizations so they could
(01:06:14):
play the event in their lobbiesand bring people in.
So there was a time when therewas, I think, maybe 30 or 40 of
these DVDs had gotten in thehands of somebody who's you know
, ingested them and put themonto videos and and they were
floating around for a long time.
Many, many, many DVDs.
So if anybody's got a 2014birthday event, drop a line to a
pasta, alex.
Okay, guys, I think that's goingto wrap it up.
We're going to do our.
We do this.
Normally at the end we do agiveaway.
(01:06:35):
It was hail Zinu.
That was it.
You want to tell me when to?
Oh, I just got to.
I got to go up to this screen.
Everybody's seeing that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
So if you haven't put your hashtag in, now's the time
to do it to be included.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I can't.
Oh, it is what's going on.
I don't know hon, I can't, uh,I can't push draw.
This is ridiculous it's beenfun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
We're continuing to iron out the books of being
rusty from being gone for awhile.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Literally cannot go on top and push draw.
See if I go right there, oh itdid, oh, okay oh, I almost won,
oh, claire almost won nicecongratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
All right, the spiel is send me an email, claire at
blown for goodcom, with a linkto the item of your choosing
from either the bfg merch storeor the sp shop, and we will get
that taken care of.
Congratulations, and not to beforgotten, thank you to Clara
and Catherine, our mods.
(01:07:41):
We appreciate your help, asalways.
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, that was good guys.
Okay, if you, if you want toget any merch, you can go to the
blown for good store.
All copies of my book we'resigning.
I think we.
I think we have like 10paperbacks that we're about to
sell out of.
I think we have like 10paperbacks left.
Maybe it's a little more, butit's a handful.
They're gone.
That's it.
I'm not reprinting them.
(01:08:05):
You can get it on Audible, youcan get it digital and there's
still some hardbacks as well.
But we sign, claire and I signevery single one.
If we sell in the store andthen if you go to the SP shop,
all of the proceeds from the SPshop go to the Michael J Rinder
Aftermath Foundation and fakeNavy Davy dolls bobbleheads we
(01:08:26):
still have signed bobbleheadsfor both Mike and Leah, and then
we have a package that haseverything and we have signed
headshots from them and all thatstuff.
So if you guys want to supportthe Aftermath Foundation, you
can do that or you can just godirectly to
theaftermathfoundationorg andyou can donate directly there or
sign up for the newsletter soyou can keep up with what we're
(01:08:48):
doing.
That's where the submit yourphotos.
Do we have that?
Still Go to the SP.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Oh no, that was the C or that was another thing.
Yeah, the old thing.
I don't think we have a newthing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Sorry guys, I've just got all kinds of nonsense today
.
That's it.
Say any last words foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
The only other thing I wanted to mention is we've
been putting out podcastepisodes that featured Mike, our
dear friend.
We will, I'm sure, do somethingspecial in the future.
We're just it's too fresh atthe moment, so bear with us on
that.
Yeah, yep, awesome.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Thanks, guys.
Thanks for joining and we'llsee you next time.
Until next time, bye.
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welcome to the channel, everybody.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology stories.
I'm joined by my wife, clairehere today, here today.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Thank you for joining us.
Happy Sunday to everybody.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
As usual, if we've got, we do have a giveaway today
, right?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Okay, so I've got to put up the thing that says
today's words.
Today's giveaway word is HailXenu, and if you want to let us
know where you're coming, we'reokay we're having.
Oh, um, if you want to let usknow where you're coming, um,
where, okay, we're having.
Oh, it's just something.
Streamer, it's telling me that,uh, one of the uh rumble didn't
like anything.
Okay, um, yeah.
(00:53):
So tell us where you'rewatching from today and then, um
, just if you add hashtag hail Znew um to that, then you will
be entered in to our giveaway.
Today, we'll usually give awaysomething from the BFG merch
store, whether it's a hoodie ora book or any of those things.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Speaking of Zinu.
It occurred to me when we weregetting ready for this.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It's a good thing you never did the OT levels,
because you never would haveshut up about Zinu.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh yeah, so that's true, everybody knows.
So everybody knows.
When I was in Scientology, Inever knew about Xenu.
There was one time when acontractor was actually with me,
an outside vendor was with meat the international base and we
were going through a bunch ofdifferent computer systems that
we were going to put togetherand he was going to supply the
(01:47):
computers.
And we were in the parking lotwe're just about to leave and
we're outside smoking acigarette and he goes hey man,
so is all this stuff about thespace aliens real?
And I was like, what are youtalking about, dude?
I was like I don't knowanything about aliens.
And he was, um, he'd obviouslybeen on the internet and seen
some stuff, but yeah, I had noidea what he was talking about.
(02:09):
So I kind of just blew it off,which is the reason why if you
do talk to a Scientologist andyou ask them about the aliens,
if they're not up to operatingThetan level three, then they
genuinely do not know about thealiens.
And that is one of the reasonssome of you may think, like
(02:30):
what's mark's deal with all thealiens?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
me included.
Can you get off of it already?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
um, let me take this banner off.
Um, but scientologists that arewatching these videos.
They're not allowed to talkabout the alien stuff and Xenu
and body thetans and all that.
So they, whether you guysrealize this or not, but there
are a lot of Scientologists thatwatch our channel and so it's
(02:58):
kind of like.
I guess for them it's likegoing up to the lake and in the
car and going and kissing.
They're kind of being naughtywatching these videos because
they get to hear about all theescapades of Xenu and so on.
(03:20):
Anyone in Scientology to dealwith us or watch our videos or
comment on the videos, if wetalk about OT3 and we talk about
Xenu, then that cuts off about90% of the Scientologists that
can fair game us or engage withus and only the people, the
operatives within OSA that areOT3 or above, can be assigned to
(03:45):
do anything or comment or trollus or anything like that.
Because we're going to tell themabout the Z News story.
And, just for good measure,this is the L Ron Hubbard's
handwriting of the OT3.
That is his actual handwritingand you can see the head of the
Galactic federation, 76 planetsaround larger stars visible from
here, and it goes on and ittells the entire story of xenu
(04:10):
and how he brought all these uhpeople to t, to tgac that's what
earth was called in thegalactic federation.
They referred to it as tgac,according to hubbard, anyway.
Um, so when, when we talk aboutthese upper level materials, it
just it's just another thing,that kind of messes with those
guys.
(04:30):
So, and it's fun, I like it, Ilike Zinu, he's, he's my homeboy
, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And it does kind of prove the point too that you're
not going to die from pneumoniaby learning about this, as you,
as you proved, oh yeah, you readall the ot levels in one
sitting yeah, when claire thisnight when you were like, okay,
honey, I'm gonna do a test, soif I die tomorrow, it's all true
, and you were right, and notthat I was right, you know,
hubbard was right.
(04:57):
If I'm, if I'm gone tomorrow,it's been real.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I love you yeah, we watched the south park episode.
This is when we first escapedfrom Scientology, like I
wouldn't say like a month or twoafter we had left and I was
watching this episode of SouthPark and they start talking
about all the Xenu and all thisstuff and I'm and Claire's not
watching, she's off somewhereelse doing something which was
(05:21):
intentional, by the way.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I was terrified.
I was like I can't be watchingthat.
That's suppressive man.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Anyway.
So she comes, like she's likeoff to the side in the bedroom
or something like that.
I remember it to this day.
I'm sitting on the couch, I'mwatching this and it breaks for
a commercial and it says on thebottom of the South Park episode
if you haven't seen it, you'vegot to watch it.
It's called Trapped in theCloset.
That's the name of the episodeand it shows at the bottom of
(05:55):
the screen.
This is what Scientologistsactually believe they have, that
it's called a lower thirds inthe broadcast world.
But they have this basicallytitle at the bottom of the
screen and it's playing throughthe entire time.
They're talking about xenu andthe galactic federation and all
the body, thetans.
And so she comes up and I lookover and I go, is this for real?
And she had done up tooperating level five by the time
(06:19):
we escaped in 2005.
So she goes basically prettymuch yeah, and I was like you've
got to be kidding me.
And then I thought about thatguy who asked me about the
aliens.
He knew more than I did.
Yeah, he was only at the basefor an hour or two and he
already knew more yeah, and Ithink I should add to my comment
(06:42):
that I didn't watch it.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It's not that I believed it or anything, but at
that point they still hadleverage, imagined leverage,
that I felt like, oh, if, if Iwatch, if I don't watch it, then
there's a chance I might everbe able to talk to my family
ever again.
And then, of course, you knowwell, the rest is history.
On that, disconnection is aliveand real folks that ship sailed
(07:07):
yep but um, I was, your mindwiped me.
I was gonna tell something elseabout the, about the guy you
were talking to, about thealiens I don't remember, anyway
come back um south park it's allgood, it's all good, but anyway
the all good, but anyway.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
The thing I was going to say, though, is that, oh
yeah.
So after I watched the episode,I was like that's not, that's
no way, that can be real.
And then so I went on theinternet, and I did find
Operating Thetan level three,four, five, six, and I read
every single one cover, cover tocover, every single thing that
(07:45):
I could find on the internet,and so, by the end of the night,
I was OT eight, Okay and um,and I thought to myself, and I,
and we, literally I said toClaire, we got into bed, excuse
me, and I said hey, if I don'twake up in the morning, then you
know, that was it, man.
I jammed all those OT levelsdown tonight all in one sitting,
(08:08):
and then, the next morning,when I woke up and I went, I
literally took a deep breath andwent not even a sniffle.
Anyway, today's video we aregoing to talk about L Ron
Hubbard's birthday when we werein Scientology.
(08:29):
L Ron Hubbard's birthday iscelebrated every single year.
It's March 13th is his actualbirthday.
We did absolutely zero researchfor this job.
When was he born?
1918?
, 1911,?
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think, 1911.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
He's going to be like a hundred and something years
if he was still around, but hewas born in Nebraska, in Tilden,
nebraska.
So for all you other people,myself included, that were born
in Nebraska yeah, it's a bummer,but it is a fact he was born
there.
And so in Scientology they havethis thing where every year
(09:11):
they have an event and it'scalled the L Ron Hubbard
Birthday Day event or birthdayevent.
Yeah, the birthday event overthe world in Scientology.
But they usually do an eventlike an actual presentation
somewhere and that's just calledthe March 13th event.
And when we worked at theInternational Base, there's a
(09:39):
lot of preparations andproduction and all these things
that have to get done inpreparation for the events and
as part of the event, theyalways tell you the story of L
Ron Hubbard's birthday and theybasically go through.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Well.
So so, backing up for a minute,there is a policy that's called
.
It's a LRHED 339R, blue onwhite, whatever five pages, and
in it LRH Hubbard says well, Iwould always get asked what I
want for my birthday, and so, no, I don't want anything.
(10:12):
All I want is the expansion ofScientology, and I want you to
have 5.4X the statisticsinternationally.
And that's what I want for mybirthday.
And thus the birthday game wasborn.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, so now the thing you got to dig is that
Scientology when it was firstkind of getting going in the
1950s, it was all aboutDianetics, dianetics, dianetics,
and then over the years thatevolved into Scientology,
(10:49):
involved into Scientology andHubbard was being he was
basically being sought after bythe United States authorities
for possibly starting a littlescam cult thing going here, and
so he fled to England.
And when he fled to England hegot this castle or kind of this,
this mansion in the countrysidein East Grinstead Um, what is
that?
Uh, sussex, east Grinstead, um,and West Sussex.
(11:12):
West.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Sussex.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
And um, and he bought this place called St Hill and
he started basically aScientology organization at this
mansion and people would flyfrom all over the world to get
audited, get to do theScientology counseling, and get
audited by Hubbard himselfpossibly, or by somebody that
(11:37):
Hubbard was training on how todo the counseling or the
Scientology auditing, and um.
And so there was hundreds andhundreds of people there, and
later on, when L Ron Hubbardwrote this birthday game
executive directive, he told thestory of St Hill and how many
(11:57):
people were there and how manystudents were on course and how
many auditing hours were beingdone each week, and so they had
all these metrics by which theycould measure this place called
St Hill.
And so when he wrote this, hesaid he had asked the executives
of Scientology, instead ofgiving him a new tie or a new
(12:21):
sports coat or a car or whatever, what he'd like is he'd like
expansion, and if they couldexpand Scientology organizations
by the metric of 5.4x.
And that's what he basicallysaid when Scientology was first
started and then the boomhappened to go to St Hill, it
(12:43):
was multiplied by 5.4, x, and sohe asked them to do this, and
then they did it.
And so then he said thebirthday game was born.
And then so every year fromthen on, all of the different
organizations would competeagainst each other using a key
(13:03):
set of metrics in Scientologyorganizations the number of
auditing hours, how manystudents are in the course room,
how many new people they'regetting in all these different
metrics, and each of the metricssort of measured the overall
production of an entireScientology organization, so
that they could see, and ifthose statistics were 5.4 times
(13:28):
the amount they were before,then that the organization could
continue to thrive and getbigger and make money and the
staff could get paid and allthese other things.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, and then the other part of it too that was
covered in that directive, whichnever happened in the 30 years
that I was in Scientology, isthat when an organization
achieved that St Hill sizestatus and were awarded that,
then the universe core wassupposed to come in and audit
(13:58):
the staff to the upper levels.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah.
So that's another thing that hebasically said in this ED is if
you, if you win against all ofthe other organizations, if
you're the winner of thebirthday game, it would almost
follow that you would be St Hillsize, the size of old St Hill
back in the 1960s Hill back inthe 1960s and so every year at
(14:30):
the birthday event, they wouldalso announce any organizations
that had achieved St Hill size.
And, as part of this, if yourorganization achieved St Hill
size, then the universe core,which is this group of these
hotshot Scientology auditorsthey, a team of them, would come
to your organization and theywould audit all of the members
(14:51):
of Scientology, the staffmembers, the workers.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, well, they were supposed to.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, but that's what he's wrote in this thing that
they would come and they wouldaudit you all the way up the OT
levels.
Now, something else that DavidMiscavige entered into this is
that when all organizationsreached the size of old St Hill,
then OTs 9 and 10 would bereleased.
(15:20):
And so there was this big pushfor everybody who was a clear to
get to OT1.
And if you were an OT3 to getto OT8.
And basically everybody had toget all the way up to the top of
the Scientology counselingbecause they're going to release
OT9 and OT10.
(15:40):
And so this birthday game was away for all Scientologists to
sort of be rallied around thesame thing get themselves all
the way up the OT levels, get asmany people into Scientology in
their area so that theirorganization could go St Hill
size or joining staff orwhatever it was to make their
(16:04):
organization as big as this, theSt Hill back in the sixties,
and based on this L Ron Hubbardexecutive directive, then they
then Scientology would clear theplanet.
Yep, so that is sort of thestory of L Ron Hubbard's
birthday and how that went.
Okay, and when we, when, whenwe were in Scientology everyone
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in Scientology knows about thebirthday game.
There's no way you don't knowthis is happening and you know
the whole story we just told youand why and what we're going to
get and all these other things.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Not many people know about Xenu, but everybody knows
about the birthday game Not manypeople know about Xenu, but
everybody knows about thebirthday game.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
That's right.
They know 100% about thebirthday game, okay.
So basically that's the bit andthat's what they.
The birthday event where theycelebrate in Scientology.
They do this every year.
They have the L Ron Hubbardbirthday event and they go
around and they show.
The theme of that event isexpansion and how Scientology is
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expanding all over the world.
Now that's tough in today's agebecause this has been sort of
documented.
Now, with AI and other newtechnologies, scientology may
have had around 65,000 peopletotal that were going into
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organizations and taking coursesand doing things.
It's height it might be.
For a while we thought it was100,000.
It actually might be closer to60,000, based on analyzing all
the magazines.
They said how many peoplecompleted and who was active in
all of the different countries.
So in the 80s they wereprobably in the 60, 65, 60,000.
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And since then they have beencontracting nonstop.
Since then they have beencontracting nonstop.
Basically since L Ron Hubbard'sdeath in 1986, in January of
1986, scientology was on a kindof a gradual, steady decline.
And then when David Miscavigereleased what he dubbed the
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golden age of technology withinthe Scientology sphere, then
statistics steadily, even divedeven further down, and that was
in 1996, 1995-ish, mid-90s.
Scientology went even downfurther and that also coincided
with release of the operatingThetan levels and pretty much
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all of the FBI files onScientology, how Scientology
perpetrated large infiltrationin the United States government
and its history All of thosedocuments in the that was.
That happened in the seventiesand the early eighties, but all
of those documents are on theinternet.
You can read all aboutScientology and Operation Snow
White and Operation Freakout andOperation Bloody Butt and all
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these other crazy things thatare on the internet, and so the
more information people have onScientology, the less people get
into Scientology.
This is an inoculation sessionright now, okay, so you don't
fall prey to Scientology inthere Nonsense, anyway.
So that's the story of thebirthday, okay, the birthday
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game and Elron Humbert'sbirthday.
Okay, fast forward to early2000s.
First of all, when we wereworking at the international
headquarters no-transcript I wasquality control for the
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broadcast truck, all differentthings.
As part of that, when you'reproducing these videos, we have
to shoot a video of thisorganization that's gone St Hill
size, and in order to do that,we have to show all these
different metrics in real life,not just on a graph.
And one of the ways we do thatwas we would just get people in
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off the street and dress themand put them in the course room
to show that the course roomswere full.
There weren't students in thecourse room, which is what the
metrics measure.
The course rooms were empty andwe'd fill them for the video to
show that they were full.
And the same thing with the,the different, different
statistics.
We would never, we wouldsometimes not show the figures,
(20:54):
we just show the graph andthere's no figures on the graph.
So if they doubled the amountof pre clears in the, in the, in
the, the, the people gettingcounseling in the organization,
oh what?
Speaker 2 (21:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Can you guys still hear us?
Can you still hear us?
Oh, what, the what, I don'tknow.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Hold on what just happened.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
We had a blackout.
We're still here, we're stillrecording.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Oh, we can hear.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Okay, I know we can hear us, but we don't have any
video.
So hold on, hold on.
Okay, oh, you know what thatvideo, so hold on, hold on okay,
oh, you know what that was me.
There you go.
Sorry, you're good.
Somehow I hit the fade to black, oh sorry about that, guys.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Um, okay, that's a new one I don't even know where
that button is.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So, uh, take it easy.
You know, I think I was wavingmy hand and I did a little
flippy flip.
Yep, okay, that's me, dr's me,dr.
Talk with his hands, okay.
Not the first time that'shappened, nor will it be my
hands down here, bts activate,okay, so I don't remember.
I wore oh, we're putting theseevents together.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
We're having to make up stories fake videos.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Okay, so that's a little bit of a clue to me.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
I don't know if this birthday game thing is all
cracked up to be what it'ssupposed to be Right, because
you're going to these big, shinyorganizations that have
allegedly achieved this amazing,legendary status of St Hill
size and yet, in reality, theweek before they were auditing
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one person and now they'reauditing two people.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's exactly what I was going to say.
They doubled, but they justwent from one to two and you're
supposed to have like 200 or 150or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Anyway.
Okay, so over the years we'reseeing there's there's a little
bit of fudging going on here.
There's definitely we'refudging this.
This is not legit for sure, andthis happens everywhere.
And the people that are inthese places, that's another
thing.
You just the cognitivedissonance is astounding.
There's people that live andwork in the area.
(23:08):
Like, if you're in let's justtalk about where the Ohio
Scientology Center.
There's people that live inOhio.
They've been to the org.
There's nobody ever in thereand there's nobody on course.
There's nobody gettingcounseling, there's nobody
walking in the front door.
And then they see the crew comehere to shoot this video and
they're like, hey, you got tocome into the org and sit in the
course room because we're doinga video, so they are part of it
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too.
We would get as manyScientologists into the place to
do it, but then we'd also spikethe deck and just get people
off the street too.
I mean, if there's 30 seats andwe get 20 Scientologists,
there's going to be 10 peopleoff the street.
Or even sometimes I'll tell youwe would dress up the staff of
the Scientology organization andtake them, take their uniforms
(23:53):
off and put on civilian clothesand then have them sit in the
course room.
So even the people that arewatching the video are seeing
the course supervisor sitting inthe seat being a student as
part of the video.
They're seeing all this Everyone.
That's why when you, when yousay there's a lot of cognitive
dissonance in Scientology,scientologists see these things
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here and there and they noticethings and they hear things and
people get sent off to for aproject and you never see them
for 10 years and it was upbecause they were on the
rehabilitation project, the uhprison camp or whatever anyway.
So that's the birthday game.
That's a bunch of that stuff.
Now fast forward to the early2000s, when the hole was created
(24:42):
by David Miscavige and theywould have these things.
What would you call them?
Speaker 2 (24:56):
group confessions, david Miscavige would order that
basically, all the topexecutives are losers and
they're out ethics and they'reoff purpose and they're not
getting his orders done.
So therefore he would.
He would say that's it, you'reall in treason, you're not going
to do anything until you'veconfessed to your crimes.
And the format that would takewas group confessions of
literally a giant conferenceroom with all these management
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executives just confessing toalleged crimes.
That would explain why theyweren't getting David
Miscavige's orders done.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
Yeah, Now here's the clincher Almost all of those
executives were the sameexecutives that were in
Scientology when L Ron Hubbardtold them.
I want you to 5.4 times thestatistics and get them up to
the size of Old St Hill.
Right, which was in the 80s,which was in the 80s, and we're
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talking about Mark Yeager,guillaume Lasserve, ray Midoff,
mark Ingber, all these cats thatwere the head executives,
executive director,international commanding officer
, commodore's messengerorganization international, the
senior case supervisor,international case supervisor
(26:19):
international.
All these got the watchdogcommittee chairman.
All of these guys were the onesthat were in charge of
Scientology when Hubbard wasdictating and telling them what
they're supposed to be doing.
Because he wasn't supposed tobe running Scientology, because
the government was trying toprove the Nerman and he was
benefiting.
It was a nonprofit.
He was getting all the money.
It wasn't going to anybody else.
He's not paying anybodyanything, it's all going to him.
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So he was managing Scientology,but these guys were supposed to
be the guys doing it and he wasjust telling them what to do
anyway.
So in I was in some of thesegroup confessions that had to
take place and I'm sitting inthere and these guys are
admitting that they falsifiedthe statistics to L Ron Hubbard
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when he told them to 5.4 X, allthe statistics and get the
organizations up to size of oldSt Hill.
And they lied.
They told him he wasn'tanywhere near Scientology.
He was in the middle of theCalifornia at a horse ranch in
Creston, or he was in Hemet,california, walking down the
street looking like ColonelSanders.
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He wasn't doing anything withScientology.
So they basically lied to himand the person that was in
charge of getting messages to LRon Hubbard was David Miscavige.
So they would say these are thereports of what's happening in
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Scientology and they would writethose up and they would give
them to Miscavige.
And Miscavige would bring themto this guy named Pat Broker and
Pat Broker was the one actuallywith Hubbard and then they
would meet at a phone booth offof a highway in Riverside and
then they would exchange thesepackages to them, to Dave, and
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Dave would give all the messagesfrom the management to Pat and
then he'd take them to Hubbardand they would do this handoff.
David Miscavige didn't knowwhere Hubbard was.
Pat knew where he was and theyhad all these ways.
They would go and blacked outvans, and they would.
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If you went to theinternational headquarters you
had to be blindfolded so youcouldn't see where you were
going, even though it's likejust off of Highway 79.
Speaker 2 (28:36):
All because Hubbard didn't want to get caught by the
government and by theauthorities.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
Because somebody didn't want to trace something
to the internationalheadquarters and then be able to
trace it from the internationalheadquarters to then to the Pat
and Dave meeting and thenfollow Pat to get to Hubbard.
Okay, so I'm sitting here inthese meetings, I'm going to
hold on a second.
The whole thing about the, thewhole, this whole birthday game,
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the whole thing is all basedoff of this thing that he said,
hey, 5.4, x, the statistics, andthen they did it, and then the
birthday game was born.
It was all bullshit.
They never did anything.
They falsified all thestatistics.
And here's the clincher guys.
They've been doing it theentire time.
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It's never changed.
And Dave, he knew this thewhole time because he was the
one passing the messages.
He knew Scientology wasn'texpanding, but he was passing it
on, so he had something on them.
And when he took over he waslike I know all the nonsense you
guys all been up to and I'mgoing to tell everybody about it
(29:46):
, unless I get to take over andyou guys all do what I say.
He's just the giant dirtcollector, yeah this was how
David people go like well, howdid he do this?
And how did he basically wascollecting dirt on folks and
even Pat Broker, who also, whenhe was bringing messages to
Hubbard, he was also bringingbankers, boxes of cash to
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Hubbard, because Hubbardinsisted that they were stealing
and losing his money, whichthey were, David Miscavige and
these guys were in.
They got 30 million they lostin bad oil, fake oil, wills in
Oklahoma and 30 million whateverthey were gambling in Vegas and
they were up to all kinds ofnonsense.
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But Broker had been skimming alittle off the top himself and
because he was taking cash fromdifferent locations to Hubbard,
he was basically carrying largeamounts of cash over state lines
which you're not supposed to do.
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It's not the most legal thing.
And because Miscavige had beenkeeping track of all the amounts
and where Pat was going to, heknew that he was going to
Arizona or he knew he was goingto Vegas or he knew he was
coming from here to California.
He just didn't know where inCalifornia or where in Arizona
or where in whatever stateHubbard was hiding out in.
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And so because he had dirt onPat and he had dirt on everybody
else, he got rid of Pat,because L Ron Hubbard may or may
not have told Pat he was goingto take over, but Pat made it
look like Hubbard was going tolet him take over, and so David
Miscavige was having none ofthat and he ratted all these
(31:36):
guys.
He basically he had dirt on allsides so he could take over and
nobody could contest him.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yeah, and, to be fair , actually I think that's a huge
part of why the hole wascreated and why those executives
were put in lockup and havebeen vanished off the face of
Scientology completely isbecause those people, including
Shelley Miscavige, are the oneswho do actually know the truth.
No public Scientologist knowswhat did or didn't happen in
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regards to David Miscavigetaking over Scientology.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, but the whole reason of today's video is this
birthday game idea and that inScientology it's sort of a
sacred thing, this wholebirthday game idea, and it's a
bunch.
It's basically all based on abunch of lies that never
happened and all of theexecutives of Scientology know
(32:32):
this.
They know all about all this.
And even over the years, all ofthese places that they've
determined were St Hill sizehave all not really been that
and they've all failed or closedor moved.
Or if you walk in there today,there's seven people in there,
including the staff or whateverit is.
It's a bunch of nonsense andthe craziest part of it is that
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all Scientologists know this butnone of them acknowledge it.
And even so, much to the pointthat when Hubbard, when
Miscavige, realized that the StHill size thing was a dud and
they're never going to be ableto do it, he changed the
requirement to release OTs 9 and10 to all organizations need to
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be ideal orgs.
So this ideal org standard,it's not a metrics-based
standard anymore, it's abuilding-based standard and the
strategy switched over to thisis Miscavige.
This is all Miscavige.
L Ron Hubbard, in Hubbardpolicies and Scientology
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policies, has stated that theexact opposite of what the ideal
organization program should be.
He said you don't need fancyquarters, you don't need snazzy
this, you don't need real estate, you just need to counsel and
deliver Scientology technologyto the people, and your
organization will be giant.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Yeah, and Hubbard said too no fundraising, no
donations.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
None of that.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
That's right.
Hubbard said that.
He basically said there's two.
That's a good point.
He said there's two things thatare forbidden in Scientology
conventions, or what they nowcall events.
Hubbard said never to do thoseand he said don't do fundraising
.
And those are the two thingsthat Miscavige solely does.
(34:27):
Now he just gets.
They basically buy status inScientology Patron glutus
maximus more meritorious.
And they give him $10 millionand he gives them like a just
giant bowling statue and butthese things are expensive, like
some of these trophies are like10,000 bucks for these
Scientologists.
(34:47):
I don't even know where you putthem.
You have to have a custom standjust to hold these things
Anyway, so that's so.
That's sort of the.
It became by historic buildingsand and some of these buildings
are so big when and this is oneof the last kind of things when
they when right before we leftwas when the ideal org thing was
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really taking off in the earlytwo thousands.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
And I had to.
I was doing the audio visualand all these.
I went to New York.
I did a bunch of stuff in LosAngeles.
I had guys when we went toAfrica and we were putting in
theaters and we were putting innew projection screens and motor
we were, we were getting a tonof dough to trick out the audio
visual for these new idealorganizations.
And we had we, we had just doneone in Boston, no, buffalo, we
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had done one in Buffalo and wewe got.
We said hey, what's happening?
Why can't you guys use thisprojection screen?
The place was just went idealand they just got all this new
stuff and we needed them to takea picture of their theater and
operations so that we could, wecould do components on our end
that we had done the stuff wewere supposed to do and submit
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it.
And they said we can't.
We can't do it because when wewere, when they were testing the
heaters, theyers, the airconditioner was too close to the
projection screen and we cookedthe screen.
It's all brown, it's burnt.
It almost caught on fire and wehad been trying to get them to
(36:26):
fix this and then they told usoh, it's not a problem, we're
going to be able to fix it nextweek.
And I said, well, what about theheat?
And they said we don't haveenough money to pay the heating
bill.
So they turned off the heat sothat we're not, we can do it, we
can do the work.
We need to do it.
We won't.
I'm like, well, what about theheat?
We don't have enough money.
We're going to have to figureout what.
That's another problem, and I'mthinking to myself this place
(36:49):
just wasn't announced as anideal organization like a few
months ago.
And they don't have enoughmoney to pay the heating bill,
buffalo.
So, and that the staff don'thave enough.
They get all these fancyuniforms.
They don't have enough money todry clean them and they're not
allowed to wash them becausethey're dry clean.
Only kind of really fancy suits, these little um, maitre d and
(37:12):
like valets, valet, uh, parkparking guy suits that the
scientologists wear.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Little vampires, little parking that replaced the
vampires sailor uniforms, theyeah, navy nautical knockoff
uniforms david miscavige gets alot of flack.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Fake navy davy gets a lot of flack for the fake navy
stuff.
So they've kind've kind ofshifted away from the naval look
the sea organization.
They're not trying to be somuch sea anymore and just
organization.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
But, by the way you know, the other reason that they
made that shift is because,with the sea organization and
the terms and everything else,he is Captain David Muscavige
and that then justifies in anylawsuits that he should be
served and he should have to bedeposed and should have to
answer for what's going onbecause he runs everything which
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he does.
But there's nothing thatterrifies David Miscavige more
than the possibility of beingdeposed.
Speaker 1 (38:12):
I just wanted to show this just because it's funny.
Love Food Kitchen.
Thanks for the comment.
She said Tom Cummins used tohave all his bowling trophies in
his office.
Imagine having a businessmeeting with him and having try
not to snigger at the uglytrophies all over the place.
Oh, don't you know it.
The reason I wanted to readthis is my sister, stephanie.
(38:34):
I'm not going to say her lastname, just because I'm Long time
.
Well, I wasn't going to dox her, I didn't say it.
Anyway, that's all.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Took me on for took me a second.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
It was that one.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Not me.
I didn't say it, I said thefirst sound.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Anyway, my sister works for Tom Cummins, or she
did a few years ago.
Somebody that worked there toldme Anyway, tom Cummins is a
bigwig Scientology guy down in,I want to say, in Florida, in
the Tampa area, maybe Miami, andhe is one of their big guys.
(39:09):
Now he's got a big company.
He basically resells utilitiesin different places, like in
Florida, maybe elsewhere as well, and he gives a lot of dough.
I think he's given tens ofmillions of dollars to
Scientology Anyway, so, soScientology celebrates.
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The thing they celebrate onMarch 13th, when it all comes
down to it, is expansion, and soit's funny that they've been
contracting since the 1980ssteadily and they're having an
event every year to talkarguably that they are expanding
(39:54):
is their real estate holdings,from getting money from wealthy
Scientologists and turning thatinto real estate.
And they're just.
They basically are a giant realestate investment corporation
that holds the real estate andthey're only buying historic
properties.
Real estate is and the and thethey're only buying historic
(40:17):
properties.
They're renovating theseproperties mostly with free sea
organization, labor free,meaning you know they're paying
cents on the dollar.
I think the last we heard theywere.
We heard that they had raisedthe seahorse, paid, I think a
hundred dollars in some placesyeah, or 75 and and it's being
paid by direct deposit.
Yeah, so that they cannot notpay that's right and um, and
(40:38):
then somebody told me thatthey'd lowered it back down
again.
So I don't know the current,but even if you're paying
somebody a hundred bucks a weekand they're working this, the
regular c-org schedule, the bareminimum c-org schedule, is 100
hours a week.
The general Sea Org schedulethat Sea Org members actually do
is 120.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
And the reduced schedule is like 80.
No, yeah, yeah, exactly 40 to80 is reduced like when you're
in your 70s.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
If you're elderly, they give you an 80-hour week or
maybe a 40-hour week if you'reelderly.
I never got to say this Okay,where's my camera?
Give me this camera.
Okay, give me right down thebarrel.
Somebody commented I said 65was the retirement or was
(41:29):
considered elderly.
And somebody out there I'mgoing to say they were over 65
or 65 or older.
They crawled up those commentsand were like 65 is not
considered elderly.
I don't know where you'regetting your information.
That's not when you get intoretirement.
Anyway, I Googled that and itis 65 is when all that stuff
(41:51):
starts Retirement, elderly,cheaper coffee at McDonald's and
like a half-priced McMuffin Allthat stuff starts at 65.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Maybe they were from a different country and it's
different in other countries,who knows?
I?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
don't know, but 65 is considered elderly.
That's when elderly-nism starts, Anyway, I was so waiting to
tell that and I always forget itwas months ago whenever this
happened.
Anyway, I was so waiting totell that and I always forget it
was months ago whenever thishappened, anyway but also okay.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
So before we dive off and get into comments and stuff
, to the other pieces, there aretwo main theories of what
Hubbard's plan was when he died.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Number one is he was going off to target two,
whatever that might be undefinedtarget two, which means I guess
planet earth was target one.
But then, more importantly,there was an advice, a
confidential written documentfrom Hubbard that nobody other
than high level like DavidMiscavige and Shelley and so
(42:55):
forth could know.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, Let me just say the reason it was called an
advice is because he wasn'tsupposed to be managing
Scientology.
So everything that he wrote tothem, it was tight.
They titled them advice so thathe wouldn't get in trouble if
they found all these documentsout of all these documents.
(43:16):
So it's the craziest thing tothis day, all of those, that
whole body of documents fromthat time period, are all
referred to as the advices.
That's how they talk to them.
So you know, like when there'sthe commandments and there's
this, the book of this they havein Scientology, they have the
same thing.
There's those are advices,these are, and these are his
research notes, and these arethe policies and these are,
these are and these are hisresearch notes, and these are
the policies and these are thebulletins and these are the
(43:37):
executive directives and theseare the flag orders.
And they have what is the thosetabs, the auditor bulletin, and
they have all these differentbodies of technology.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, and not to go down a separate rabbit hole
(44:15):
no-transcript thing.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
There was a project for a long time to take these
advices and then issue them asexecutive orders or executive
directives or in the in in inthe golden era productions, we
have these things called CINIexecutive directives, cini
standing for cinematography.
(44:43):
So almost all of those thatbody of advices were turned into
executive direct.
The dude's gone and dead now,so it doesn't matter if he was
running it or if he wasn't oryou know whatever.
So they just issued those allas permanent policies for the
seat for the C organization unitknown as golden era productions
.
They have that body of whatthey refer to as technology to
(45:08):
go from and some of these things.
I mean there was no internetback then, there was no digital
audio, there was no, and theseare all and there's.
And there was no internet backthen, there was no digital audio
, there was no video likehigh-definition 4K video.
So a lot of these policies anda lot of these directives are
based on technology from the 70sand the early 80s and um, yeah,
(45:32):
but there is a computerizeddatabase that has libraries of
every single one of these bodiesof information.
Lecture and what's it called?
Sir and what does service standfor?
source information retrievalthat's the system and depending
on what security clearances youhave in the C organization you
(46:03):
are, these bodies or thesedirectories of technology are
opened up to you.
So if you're not up at theinternational level, you don't
have access to cinematography,the cine, eds or certain things.
And if you're in golden eraproductions, you don't
necessarily have all the accessto the advices that deal with
management.
You only have the advices whichare dealt with golden era
productions were supposed toabide by.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
So, for example, author services had their own
set.
Religious technology center,which is David Miscavige's
organization, had its own set.
(46:45):
And, by the way, one of thoseadvices is where Hubbard says oh
, religion is a, an implant tocontrol people on the whole
track.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, isn't that one of the RTC advices?
Yeah, yeah.
So then that's where he doesdetail out the purpose of
Religious Technology Center andthe Church of Spiritual
Technology and all thesedifferent authored services and
(47:16):
all these organizations thatkind of nobody knows about.
They were all created in theearly 80s, before Hubbard's
death, on the advice ofattorneys and people trying to
reorganize Scientology.
So they could never get toHubbard and it would always end.
There was enough cutouts andenough in between men on the
(47:38):
money and the money he wasgetting Intentional, elaborate
corporate structures of layerupon layer upon layer.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
that we've has been well documented at various
different times.
But back to the back from therabbit hole.
We just went down about theadvices, the point being one
theory was that Hubbard wasgoing off to Target too.
Yeah, but the other one was anadvice that said he was coming
back by a certain date, that'sright.
(48:06):
That date is now like close toalmost like 15, 20 years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:12):
The date was in 2007.
Yeah, and he told Ray Midoffthe date Right.
And he also this is anotherfunny thing David Miscavige
would give Ray Midoff a crapabout this all the time, like it
was a regular thing for yearsand years and years that Hubbard
essentially told Ray Midoffwhat OT nine and 10 were.
(48:32):
He explained to it because RayMidoff would audit L Ron Hubbard
on these levels that Hubbardwould create.
Then he would tell Ray Midoffor somebody, one of the
gentlemen who did a lot of that,what was?
The guy who was the big SP ofthe 1980s?
Speaker 2 (48:49):
Oh no, david Mayo.
Speaker 1 (48:50):
David Mayo was one, a person that audited Hubbard on
the L rundowns and different OTlevels and stuff, and he,
hubbard, would tell him what thecounseling was supposed to be,
and then David Mayo would put LRon Hubbard on the e-meter and
then he would do the proceduresand whatever.
Anyway, ray Midoff was anotherone of these guys that Hubbard
(49:11):
had entrusted with thetechnology that he was going to
leave behind and um, and raymidoff just forgot what ot9 and
10 was, just just like spaced it.
Also there's somebody askedthis in a comment, um on a video
the other day and I'll just sayum, he asked if, uh, lsd being
a disqualification for the Corganization when that sort of
(49:33):
happened, if that was a resultof the government doing all
these experiments and kind ofsecret programs dosing people
with LSD.
And I think the answer to thatis that Hubbard, a large
majority of the people thatjoined the Sea Org in its early
days in the the 70s and the 80s,had taken LSD, and so Hubbard
(49:58):
spent hundreds and thousands ofhours trying to fix these people
.
That would just trip balls inthe middle of the day when they
were doing the purificationrundown or running in the desert
.
No, not allegedly.
When Hubbard was researchingthe purification rundown, he was
taking Sea Org members at thebase at Golden Era Productions,
(50:20):
specifically Golden EraProductions.
This is not a lot of peopleknow this.
Golden Era Productions was LRon Hubbard's guinea pigs for
all the stuff he developed inScientology Word clearing, study
, tech, the false purposerundown, key to life, life
orientation.
He was studying the golden eraproductions people and a ton of
(50:42):
these people were frickinghippies before they got into
Scientologists and they weretripping balls all the time.
But he had these two guyswearing wetsuits and it was
golden era productions in themiddle of the desert.
So it's like 120 degrees in thesummer.
He had these guys put wetsuitson and run around town and one
of these guys just startedtripping balls in the corner and
(51:02):
he basically was just freakingout and the dude that was with
him didn't know what to do.
This was, I want to say it wasrick cruisin and I don't know if
.
Charlie Rush, I think it was.
Those are the two guys thatthis story involves and um, and
they were gone for so long onthis run that they were
(51:25):
considered that they blew, andso they called a blow drill.
And that's when they go to huntpeople down and bring them back
to the property.
And then in some half an hourhour later they've happened upon
them on this corner, where oneof them was totally fine and the
other one was tripping balls.
And that's how Hubbarddiscovered that when you're
(51:46):
doing the purification rundown,they didn't have any fancy
saunas at first.
Hubbard just wanted to see howhe could get somebody to sweat,
so that's why they were wearingwetsuits in the summer in 120
degrees, because you're going tosweat.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, and my point, by the way, is that.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
That makes a good narrative.
I never saw I personally neversaw any evidence of the research
that.
Speaker 1 (52:10):
Oh yeah, no, that was the research, it was just
handsome dudes running around.
But my point being that he didnthe research, it was just
handsome dudes running around,but my point being that he
didn't discover it.
Speaker 2 (52:17):
Because of that he he stated hey, this is the what's
wrong with you guys, andessentially go the.
Then facts evolve and thatbecomes, oh yeah, see,
confirmation of what he figuredout.
And my point too is you knowhow we, maybe they were getting
two hours of sleep where theyactually tripping balls.
(52:38):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, the other thing also is that that's why the
purification rundown is done ina sauna now, because they
thought the cops were going tocatch them because they were out
in the middle of nowhererunning around in the desert
with web suits on.
So somebody said, hey, we can'tdo that anymore.
What are we going to do?
We could buy a sauna and thenthey could just sit in the sauna
(53:00):
and that would make them sweatand that would get the LSD trips
to go, or whatever.
Okay, I don't know how we gotunder that, but let's just go to
the comments and do somegiveaways we got a few minutes
left here.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
We went down a lot of rabbit holes there.
Holy moly, thanks for bearingwith us.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
This is a good Scientology story, though.
That's what we wanted to do.
We wanted to flush out somegood Scientology stories.
I think that the research ofthe purification rundown and
these guys running around withwet seats on in the desert
that's a good story.
We've got tons more of thosetoo, but you want to go through
(53:39):
some of these starred commentshere?
Speaker 2 (53:40):
Yep, you're going to pull them up.
Speaker 1 (53:42):
I'll pull them up.
I love it, I love it Becky, bigbrother fan.
Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yes, I adore a Sunday evening live with Mark, claire
and their chat.
Yay, thank you so much toeverybody who's joined us here.
Becca, hello, betsy Sue, justcall chat.
Yay, thank you so much toeverybody who's joined us here.
Becca, hello, uh, betsy sue,just call me betsy hail zenu.
Yes, indeed, good to see you,betsy sue.
Thanks for being here.
Uh, love it.
Joining us from golden.
Yay, um trevon on joining fromnetherlands.
(54:10):
All right, uh, cool, jane, hifrom South Carolina.
Hello, yeah, we forgot to doour checking in with people at
the beginning.
M Hello from Washington State.
Awesome, oh, that was M.
That was the mysterious M fromlast week.
Hello, claire and Mark.
Greetings from the UK.
Thank you, thank you.
Good to see the Hedley beardstill there.
(54:33):
Yes, there, yes, indeed, quitethe distinguished look, honey or
santa, depending on yourperspective.
Jake lloyd, you're ot late.
I'm ot great awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:45):
Well, there you go.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Thank you, abe, for the super sticker we appreciate
it.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
We got a.
Uh, yeah, that's cool.
Thank you, abe.
Yeah, I think I was looking athis little avatar there.
It looks like I don't know.
It looks like something out ofsome video game or something.
Speaker 2 (55:00):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Jess same day as Danny Masterson's birthday.
Speaker 1 (55:07):
Oh, that's right.
His birthday is on March 13th.
Good for him.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
But you want to know another awesome coincidence.
Speaker 1 (55:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:15):
The date that I escaped Scientology happens to
be the date that L Ron Hubbarddied.
Speaker 1 (55:21):
Oh, I do.
I know that Is it the 26th 24th24th, that's right.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Which I didn't even know.
So it was a completelyunintentional coincidence.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
Okay, now, I normally wouldn't say this, but I just
remembered it, and today is theonly possibly appropriate day to
mention this story.
But when we worked at theinternational headquarters and
Claire can vouch for this DavidMiscavige, on a regular basis,
teased Guillaume Le Serve andmark yeager of having a
(55:57):
relationship with each other.
This was a constant thing formany, many, many, many years,
and at one meeting it was Ithink it was for march 13th
event- but.
But before you say, it bearsmentioning, they were, they were
both married he made them sleepin bunk beds in the same room,
even when they were married toother people.
He made them sleep in the sameroom together.
(56:18):
David Miscavige made him sleepon bunk beds, but in a meeting I
want to say it was for March13th event he said and I will
never forget this for the onlytime, forever.
He said the only expansion thateither of them had ever caused
in their lives was when theywere sticking it to each other
(56:39):
in their backsides.
That is what David and he usedmuch more profane language.
I watered it down but he saidDavid Miscavige, chairman of the
board fake Navy Davey, accusedthe executive director
international and the commandingofficer of the Commodore's
Messenger Organization ofexpansion in that method.
Speaker 2 (57:03):
And, by the way, this was not just a one-time
instance.
He did this so many times, andat the time Mark and Guillaume
were staying in the samebuilding where Shelley and David
Miscavige also slept, and so he, as you said, made them sleep
in the same room together.
(57:23):
And this bullying and thisincessant, just gross.
Speaker 1 (57:29):
Non-stop In meetings with 20, 30 other people.
He would speak in explicitdetail of what they were up to
with each other.
Speaker 2 (57:38):
Yeah, and it went on so much that eventually Mark and
Guillaume were like that's itand they took their mattresses
out of that room and drug themacross the property to somewhere
else.
I remember that.
Speaker 1 (57:50):
And then he yelled at them for taking their
mattresses.
He said they were making himwrong and they taking their
mattresses.
He said he, they were makinghim wrong and they took their
mattresses and dragged themoutside and he made them drag
them back at like three o'clockin the morning, um, and it keeps
them of being non-compliantanyhow, whatever.
Speaker 2 (58:07):
Again another rabbit hole.
So let's get back to ourcomments.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
I don't get some super chats coming in all right,
jason, hello, mark and claire.
Speaker 2 (58:14):
I'm going to citizens for responsibility and
ethicists.
Ethic, ethics six in washingtontomorrow to report my findings.
Wish me luck.
Hope all is well with you.
Awesome good luck um becky.
Big brother fan.
Question claire how did youcope with the atmosphere of
stress working so close toMiscavige and Religious
(58:35):
Technology Center?
It must have been emotionallytraumatic, yeah, very much so.
By the time I left I was acomplete and utter train wreck.
There was no easy way to dealwith that stress, but you know
it was an environment and aworld where you just tried to
make it through each day andsurvive and, you know, under
(59:00):
terrible threats of extremepunishment if you failed.
So yep, there you have it.
That's my short answer.
Harvey Denton, thank you forthe super sticker.
Appreciate it.
Barbara Bell again supersticker.
Thank you.
Hereara bell again supersticker, thank you here's a good
one for you, claire.
Hey trevon on question claire,how's your book going?
(59:22):
Okay, so it's been a ride.
Um, I, really I.
I have now been working on itevery day.
I'm 40,000 words in roughly,and I have some amazing people
helping me and it's just been.
It's been a ride, so it's been,I'm working, I did.
The beginning part of the bookfocuses on the three weeks after
(59:47):
Mark escaped.
So you know, for anyone whohasn't read, blown for Good
Behind the Iron Curtain ofScientology covers Mark's life
in Scientology and his escapeand then how we reunited three
weeks after, because you left onJanuary 4th and I escaped on
January 24th.
So the first part of the bookdetails those crazy three weeks,
(01:00:12):
the insanity and everythingthat I went through in great
detail to escape, and then Icircle back to being born into
Scientology, being named afterthe state of clear Claire,
french for clear.
Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
It's okay, you don't have to tell the whole book.
Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
I know.
Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
You don't even have to get it now.
That's it.
You know what's going on.
Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
A lot of people have asked this question, so I'm
giving an in-depth answer.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
So there you have it.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Read the next super holy moly stay tuned for more,
all right, uh, fancy pants longtime and steadfast fans.
Keep it up.
Thank you very, very much.
Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
It's not always easy, but we are persistent if I'm
gonna show you this one, this isright um same day, oh same day,
that challenger space shuttleso I heard this story because um
amy scoby is the niece of dickscoby, who was the commander of
(01:01:10):
the challenger shuttle, and andshe got called on that day and
on the day the Challenger blewup because her uncle was the
commander, and when she was inScientology she said that they
were rejoicing because they knewthat L Ron Hubbard's death
(01:01:30):
wouldn't get covered in thepress, it would get buried
because the space shuttle was somuch bigger news.
So David Miscavige and otherswere happy that it happened,
because then it kind of got themoff the hot seat of that.
But yes, that is true, okay,and wow, we've got Tyler just
(01:01:51):
showed up, just popped in.
Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Glad you're all still up to this digging the beard.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Nice Okay, good.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Your beard has become the star of the show, honey.
Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Yeah Well, how are you going to keep warm?
Okay, here's a good one.
I saw this one.
Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
All right, morbid curiosity, oh Maria Martins.
Hello, did Dave and Shellysleep on the same bed?
No, they did not, not theentire time we were there, in
fact, I don't know what it wasat the beginning, but when I
became aware of where they slept, they were in separate rooms,
even not even not in the samebed, but in separate rooms
(01:02:26):
altogether.
Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
Yeah, oh, here's a good one from Catherine.
Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Catherine, no one's getting $100 anymore.
After the chase wave theyweren't even paying the yearly
bonuses.
There you go Yearly bonuseswhat are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (01:02:38):
At the end base I think we got yearly bonuses like
three times in 15 years Yearlybonuses.
Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
And any bonuses were less than the money we had not
been paid.
That was even the $46 a week.
Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Yeah, On my social security statement.
It has three years in thenineties where it's zero.
They literally reported not asingle penny paid out from I
think it was, I want to say 1990to like 1993.
It was actually right beforethe IRS exemption and the only
reason we started getting paidafter that is because now they
had to follow the rules and theywere saying that they were
(01:03:14):
paying us, so they actually hadto pay us.
Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
And which included that staff had to file tax
returns.
Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah Well, most people just didn't do it Right.
She did because in RTC theyactually did get paid, most of
the time.
Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
But yeah, for the longest time Mark would joke
about how the payroll officerwas maintaining headly savings
and loan for all of our back paythat we hadn't been paid.
Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
Thousands and thousands.
Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
All right, do they still get dressed up in sailor
suits?
Question yeah, and we touchedon that, that the nautical
uniforms were gotten rid of, andthey did.
They've done several iterationsnow of uniform upgrades and, as
Mark commented, I think you'reon point that the current ones
look like valet uniforms andrestaurant hostess people.
(01:04:01):
Yeah, okay, spanglish InglewoodIdeal Org couldn't afford
toilet paper per CarandellaCarrier and saying so, listen,
inglewood, you just reminded meof something I wanted to say
yeah, inglewood you justreminded me of something I
wanted to say.
Yeah, we were in Colorado and wegot a phone call saying hey,
come on down and help with theInglewood Org renovations.
Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
That's right.
I almost went to LA and showedup because I'm like you called
me.
Okay, they called us.
They called us.
They're so insane.
Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
We, literally our lawsuit was going on at that
time when they called us.
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
It was crazy.
Okay, I think that's going tocall it here's.
I'm just going to put some funones up.
I'll read it real quick.
Hey, Mark, Claire and Mark.
Can you believe Miscavige stillcelebrates Elmer Hubbard's
birthday?
Lolz, hey.
Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Witness Hello.
Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Oh, we got it Post Witness hello.
Oh, we got it Post-Aid.
Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Alex, sorry I'm late to the party.
D B, t and Turbulation.
Oh so this is Deputy B, t andTurbulation.
I see AO IA, sp, uk reportingfor duty.
Nice, good to see you, alex.
Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Here's another one from Alex.
Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Nowadays Scientology struggled to scrape together the
86 staff needed to make idealsize, let alone St Hill size.
There you go, yeah, and in factso much so that at a certain
point, as we've learned from anumber of people now, they took
Sea Org members and put them,just moved them to the ideal org
to kind of cover up that theydidn't have those numbers.
Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
Yeah, here's this just in case we'll put out an
APB on this.
If anyone has a copy of the LRon Hubbard birthday event in
2014, please send it in LondonOrg1 and I'm featured in it.
Yeah, let's try to get Alexsome footage of him in the
Scientology realm.
You know, it's funny, theseorganizations.
(01:05:52):
When I worked on the events, wewould do a thing where we would
post-produce the event.
It would get edited and remixedand we would put it out on DVD
and those DVDs would go out toall organizations so they could
(01:06:14):
play the event in their lobbiesand bring people in.
So there was a time when therewas, I think, maybe 30 or 40 of
these DVDs had gotten in thehands of somebody who's you know
, ingested them and put themonto videos and and they were
floating around for a long time.
Many, many, many DVDs.
So if anybody's got a 2014birthday event, drop a line to a
pasta, alex.
Okay, guys, I think that's goingto wrap it up.
We're going to do our.
We do this.
Normally at the end we do agiveaway.
(01:06:35):
It was hail Zinu.
That was it.
You want to tell me when to?
Oh, I just got to.
I got to go up to this screen.
Everybody's seeing that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
So if you haven't put your hashtag in, now's the time
to do it to be included.
Speaker 1 (01:06:49):
I can't.
Oh, it is what's going on.
I don't know hon, I can't, uh,I can't push draw.
This is ridiculous it's beenfun.
Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
We're continuing to iron out the books of being
rusty from being gone for awhile.
Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Literally cannot go on top and push draw.
See if I go right there, oh itdid, oh, okay oh, I almost won,
oh, claire almost won nicecongratulations.
Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
All right, the spiel is send me an email, claire at
blown for goodcom, with a linkto the item of your choosing
from either the bfg merch storeor the sp shop, and we will get
that taken care of.
Congratulations, and not to beforgotten, thank you to Clara
and Catherine, our mods.
(01:07:41):
We appreciate your help, asalways.
Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
Yeah, that was good guys.
Okay, if you, if you want toget any merch, you can go to the
blown for good store.
All copies of my book we'resigning.
I think we.
I think we have like 10paperbacks that we're about to
sell out of.
I think we have like 10paperbacks left.
Maybe it's a little more, butit's a handful.
They're gone.
That's it.
I'm not reprinting them.
(01:08:05):
You can get it on Audible, youcan get it digital and there's
still some hardbacks as well.
But we sign, claire and I signevery single one.
If we sell in the store andthen if you go to the SP shop,
all of the proceeds from the SPshop go to the Michael J Rinder
Aftermath Foundation and fakeNavy Davy dolls bobbleheads we
(01:08:26):
still have signed bobbleheadsfor both Mike and Leah, and then
we have a package that haseverything and we have signed
headshots from them and all thatstuff.
So if you guys want to supportthe Aftermath Foundation, you
can do that or you can just godirectly to
theaftermathfoundationorg andyou can donate directly there or
sign up for the newsletter soyou can keep up with what we're
(01:08:48):
doing.
That's where the submit yourphotos.
Do we have that?
Still Go to the SP.
Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Oh no, that was the C or that was another thing.
Yeah, the old thing.
I don't think we have a newthing.
Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Sorry guys, I've just got all kinds of nonsense today
.
That's it.
Say any last words foreverybody.
Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
The only other thing I wanted to mention is we've
been putting out podcastepisodes that featured Mike, our
dear friend.
We will, I'm sure, do somethingspecial in the future.
We're just it's too fresh atthe moment, so bear with us on
that.
Yeah, yep, awesome.
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:09:26):
Thanks, guys.
Thanks for joining and we'llsee you next time.
Until next time, bye.
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