August 26, 2025 • 60 mins
When a bizarre letter surfaced on the internet, Marc Headley immediately recognized the signature—"Trudy Hensley, Letter Writer." This wasn't just any Scientology recruitment attempt; it was written by Marc's own mother, who remains deeply entrenched in the organization while completely disconnected from her family.
The letter itself is absurd enough: "Well done on purchasing a book in 1999!!!" it exclaims, attempting to recruit someone who bought a Scientology book 26 years ago (and who, as it turns out, has been deceased for years). But beneath this strange marketing failure lies a heartbreaking family story that exposes Scientology's ruthless policies on family separation.
Marc and Claire walk us through Scientology's "central files" system—an elaborate tracking mechanism that, according to L. Ron Hubbard policy, can never be deleted. Once your information enters these files, you're tracked for life, and apparently beyond. The organization obsessively measures statistics like "letters out" and "letters in," believing that sheer volume of communication will inevitably lead to new recruits.
Trudy's journey within Scientology included years in the Rehabilitation Project Force (RPF), Scientology's notorious labor camp, after fighting with a high-ranking Religious Technology Center representative. Marc shares a particularly painful memory of David Miscavige himself mocking his mother during a staff meeting, calling her "the dumbest bitch in all of the Sea Org." Despite this degrading treatment, she continues to volunteer for the organization while maintaining zero contact with her own grandchildren.
This episode provides a rare window into how Scientology's disconnection policy tears families apart, and how the organization's bizarre recruitment practices continue unchanged despite their obvious ineffectiveness. For anyone who's ever wondered how cults maintain control over members even when they're being mistreated, this story offers powerful insights straight from those who lived it.
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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined today by my lovelywife Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, hey, hey, thanks for joining us today, everybody
.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We have a little bit of a different episode today.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't we always?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We try to keep.
We try to.
You know we try to do differentstuff on here.
We try to do what people liketo hear about.
But we got sent a photo on theinternet and, um, and we're
going to go through that, but,as we always do, let people get
their notifications and let themget a chance to get in here.
If you want to uh enter intotoday's giveaway that we're
(00:58):
going to do on the channel, allyou have to do is comment and,
uh, what we'd like to do is we'dlike to see where you guys are
coming from or where you'rewatching from.
So, if you want to put in thecomments where you're watching
from, we'll take a minute to gothrough those and then, once we
have a certain amount of peoplein here, then we'll fire it up
and we'll get into the main meatand potatoes of the video
(01:20):
Sounds like a plan.
Let's see here, here we go.
Sounds like a plan.
Let's see here here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You get to read them for today, since my computer is
still firing.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, my goodness, I got to do everything At the last
second.
This computer just wouldn'tturn on, so we got another one,
and supposedly that one doesn'tturn on it might not be the
computer, if you know what Imean, guys.
Hey now wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To be full disclosure , that was not my computer that
died, it was yours, this is mine, but I will take responsibility
for the fact that it was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So we swapped out one dead computer for another dead
computer, yeah.
Is that cord plugged in, thatyou're plugged into there?
Yep, okay, well, katie D fromIreland is here.
Oh yay, joseph Brian Stanleyfrom Speedway Indiana.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Nice.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We got Tracy Hobart from Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We got Trevenon from Netherlands.
As always, he's a frequentflyer, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yes, netherlands in the house.
We appreciate you, trevon, forbeing here.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And then we've got Em from Washington State, tricia
from Sunland, california, laurenB from Maryland, amelia Seven
from Nova Scotia.
Necessary Trouble from GlasgowMontana, my all-time favorite
YouTube handle.
Necessary Trouble from GlasgowMontana.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
My all-time favorite YouTube handle Necessary Trouble
.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We got Mary Kay, london from Albuquerque, haggis
Basher from Toronto, jamie fromSouthern Utah, december from
East Tennessee, carla from theUK, nice and from Sweden.
We've got a lot of diversityhere in the locations.
I love it.
(03:11):
Ddk hello for Scientology.
Free Rhode Island, yes.
Purple Groovy 69, st Louis,missouri.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh nice, we haven't seen Purple Groovy for a little
bit.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't think, yeah, welcome back Jack Shaw 809 from
Henderson Nevada.
It haven't seen Purple Groovyfor a little bit.
I don't think.
Yeah, welcome back Jack Shaw809 from Henderson Nevada.
It's only 98 today.
It's a chilly 98 in Henderson,it's a lot.
And then we got Ellie fromPennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Awesome Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So, yeah, lots of people in here and we have
Scientology Peeling the Onionfrom Las Vegas.
Yay, mark's been putting out.
I did a bunch of interviews onMark Fisher's channel that's
Scientology Peeling the Onion.
Him and Janice both live in LasVegas and we did I've done a
bunch of interviews on theirchannel over the years, but he's
(04:01):
been cutting up them intoshorts.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And most of them are David Miscavige related.
So I think he just put anotherone of those out today.
So if you guys want to go overthere and check out Scientology,
peeling the Onion, he's got alot of fun stuff on there.
Mark Fisher was in ReligiousTechnology Center and he was
directly under David Miscavige.
What am I supposed to call himDavid Miscavige?
(04:25):
What am I supposed to call himMiscavige?
He was under David Miscavigefor many years and he was the
corporate liaison in charge.
So like there used to be athing in Religious Technology
Center where if ReligiousTechnology Center was dealing
with other parts of Scientologythat really weren't like, I
(04:50):
think, the ecclesiastical Idon't exactly know the do you
know what the origin of thatoffice is?
Why corporate liaison?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was, and.
Mark would know the answerbetter, but it was basically
like you know and again we'vetalked about how RTC religious
technology technology center isrepresented as a flag corporate
liaison was just the, thelanguage that made it that they
could go into any organizationand get david miscavige's orders
done yeah, anyway corporateliaison, meaning they can go
(05:21):
anywhere and do anything I mean,you don't really need a title
for that in psychology but theycame up with one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Now they just do that .
Yeah, exactly, that's just anormal thing.
David Miscavige just doeswhatever he wants.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He got rid of all of upper management, so he's just,
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Anyway, Mark Fisher was in Religious Technology
Center right under DavidMiscavige.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So most of the stories he left very shortly
after we got there, maybe evenbefore you got there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, he was gone.
But by the time I got there,yeah.
So there was a there was like ayear crossover period where I
was there and he was there andthe main thing that david
miscavige was working on ingolden era was where where I
worked, right.
So I had a lot of dealings withdavid miscavige and when mark
fisher was there, a lot ofdealings with David Miscavige.
And when Mark Fisher was there,a lot of dealings with Mark
Fisher.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So we share some stories, and you talk about Mark
in your book too.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's true, Mark Fisher.
There's a whole section inthere where David Miscavige
basically gives him the beatdown.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right, and that was the first time you witnessed
David Miscavige physically abusea staff member.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, In 1990.
Like just directly Right, whatthe hell is going on?
Yeah, that was a little wild.
Even for that place it was alittle wild.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, I think we're ready to do this.
We've already got like almost200 people in here, so thank you
for joining us guys.
Oh let me do a shameless plugbefore we get get into your
computer working.
You can't do anything until youget your computer working.
That's your assignment.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
No plugs for you, no no, I'm, I'm doing it anyway, um
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We'll have Catherine Olson onas a guest, talking with Phil
(07:12):
and I about life afterScientology and how the
Aftermath Foundation helped herescape and get on her feet.
It will be a wonderfulconversation and we'll also have
news and updates.
So thank you so much toeveryone who has helped us grow
that channel.
We were approved formonetization, so we're well on
our way to our 10K subscribercount, which is when we will be
(07:33):
able to initiate and originatefoundation fundraisers on the.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Aftermath channel.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And those of you who don't know, the Aftermath
Foundation itself is already anapproved YouTube charity, Of
course.
So if you go to the story ofSergio Obolinski on our channel,
that video supports theAftermath Foundation and any
(08:02):
donations or anything that'smade in that it.
It says fundraiser and you canjust click right on it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So on our channel.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, On BFG, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Because, because to to originate or have any video
that supports a fundraiser, aYouTube channel has to have
10,000 subscribers.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, okay.
There you go Is that is thatthe are you done with your
shameless plug.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yep, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Eight minutes in guys , we might even be able to do a
video here Okay, is yourcomputer turned on yet?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I declined to mention it's powering up.
Now I'm making progress.
Good job, babe, good job.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, okay, how do we ?
We got to?
We got to kind of set this upfor how this is Okay In
Scientology, in a Scientologyorganization.
So as opposed to, as opposed to.
Well, actually all Scientologyorganizations in the world are
(09:00):
required to do this.
So this actually does apply toany Scientology organization.
L Ron Hubbard wrote a policyabout sending letters out to
your central files.
So if somebody comes in andbuys a Dianetics book, they go
into the files.
If they do a course on how tosuccess through communication,
(09:26):
they buy a course or they doanything in Scientology and they
capture your identity.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yep, even if they just take the personality test.
That's true.
Yeah, even if you take that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, any any physical way that Scientology
captures your identity.
You are now in what is referredto as their central files, and
L Ron Hubbard was very, veryparticular that these files can
only be added to.
They can never be deleted.
(09:57):
They can never be destroyed.
No name in the files can everbe gotten rid of.
They can mark them as deadfiles so people know not to
contact that person, but youcannot remove the contact
information out of the files.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, and even to be fair, the dead file system has
many flaws.
Like we should have been deadfiled when we were declared
suppressive.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Let's not nitpick, babe.
If anything, Scientology hasmany flaws, not just their
filing system.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yes, not to state the obvious, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay.
So L Ron Hubbard says you makethe files, you make the files
bigger.
You never get rid of the files,If anything.
If somebody proves antagonisticor a suppressive person, then
you can mark their file as adead file.
And yes, we have bothtechnically should have been
dead filed, but we have beencalled and we have been sent
(11:01):
mailing items from Scientology.
Even though they purport to notwant us to come there, they
still try to get us to come backin many different forms and
ways.
Okay, so that's sort of thesetup for this.
There is another policy where LRon Hubbard directs all
Scientology organization staffmembers to send letters to these
(11:25):
files.
They're supposed to write and Idon't remember it exactly,
which is probably a good thing,but there's a policy that says
the number of pieces sent to themailing list, not the quality,
determines the income of anorganization, or some such
bullshit.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, and sorry, just to back up for a minute too.
Organizationally, anyorganization in Scientology has
seven divisions, and all theletter writing and all this type
of activity that we're talkingabout occurs in division two,
which is known as thedissemination division.
That's correct.
Mm-hmm, which is known as thedissemination division.
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So the dissemination, but also other divisions, are
also required to send letters tothese people.
So if you're in thedissemination division you might
send a letter to somebodysaying, hey, you bought a book
and we'd like you to get startedon your next thing.
And then if somebody has notcalled in or hasn't come into
(12:27):
the organization in many years,then very possibly somebody from
the qualifications division,division five.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yep.
Would then send a letter sayinghey, we haven't seen you in a
while, and that would be fromthe department of correction or
like Well, usually they wouldcall an all hands, like if
there's not an actual letterwriter post, then they'll say,
okay, we're going to do an allhands.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Everybody everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So that's key because they'll have some other
position or post.
But when they come in for theall hands, their hat is letter
writer.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's true.
Yeah, that's exactly.
This is a good point, that's agood setup.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay so finally so there's a lot of.
So there's a lot of pieces tothis, but essentially all
Scientology staff members andSea Org members internationally
are usually per L Ron Hubbard'spolicies, they are required to
write letters to these centralfiles.
(13:27):
Yes, and there is actually astatistic in a Scientology
organization and it's calledletters out and letters in Yep.
And then they have anotherstatistic that's called BMO bulk
mail out.
That's not a letter.
Bulk mail out, that's not aletter.
That's when you say we're goingto have an event on Saturday
(13:53):
the 15th and we're going todress up like cartoon characters
and we're going to try to getas much money from you as
possible, and then they sendthat to everybody.
That's in that organization'scentral files.
Okay, good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, Differentiation between promotional pieces
that's right and actual letters.
So you got letters out lettersin and BMO Right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And those statistics the letters out and letters in,
are the statistics of thedivision one in HCO, the
Department of Communications.
Okay, so see, I used to be ahazard a.
Hubbard area secretary.
So I know these things and Iwould-.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I was over HCO at one point in religious technology.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And you didn't know L no.
Anyway, okay.
So if you basically inScientology the thinking is, if
you send a thousand letters out,you're going to get a
proportionate of letters back in.
If you send zero letters out,technically you should get zero
(14:55):
letters in.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Because the Hubbard principle outflow equals inflow.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, okay, so you always have to be outflowing to
be able to then inflow, okay.
So, there's actually a quotefrom Alron Hubbard said he's
talking about outflow equalsinflow, and he goes in fact, if
somebody were to get shot andthey immediately outflowed a
bullet, they may not even beinjured.
Anyway, this is a real thing,right?
(15:26):
I'm not making that up.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No, that's in the documentation on the cycle of
communication.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, anyway, it wasn't a
medical genius, we'll give himthat.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I have seen people outflow bullets while
inflowing bullets and theythey're still injured.
Yeah, even if it's the samebullet kind of bullets yeah okay
, so that's a good setup for allof this nonsense okay oh my god
um, and even at golden eraproductions we we didn't have.
(15:59):
We had letters out like the.
The division one had their ownletters out but we had what were
called OGO letters, which wasthe org gold officer and staff
members and Sea Org members thatlived at the international base
that worked at GoldeneyeProductions.
We would write to Scientologystaff members that worked in
(16:19):
Scientology organizations.
We didn't write to generalpublic Scientology organizations
.
We didn't write to generalpublic.
We wrote to Sea Org members andand Scientology staff members
that worked in the variousorganizations and we would send
them.
It would be like hey, did youguys get your minimum stock of
the of the we stand tall musiccassettes, love Mark Ogo officer
(16:42):
, whatever it was Boston orwhatever org.
I had New Jersey or New Havenor something like that and and I
was required to to send like 20of those a week.
There's only like 25 people atthe organization.
So these guys are getting aletter from me essentially every
week.
That just says it's just gotsome dumb question.
I want to say, in all the yearsthat I worked at Golden Air
(17:05):
Productions and that I wrotethese letters, I don't remember
ever getting an answer from oneperson.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Maybe once or twice they'd say like they would just
write on the letter Thanks, weare, we have our stock.
And then they just put it rightback in the envelope.
And also, by the way, this isall sent in Scientology's
internal mail pack system, soeach organization will just put
a FedEx together and then sendthat to LA and then send that to
(17:33):
LA yeah.
And then LA sorts it and theysort all the mail from that
organization to all the otherorganizations, because of course
Scientology cannot use theUnited States postal system
because that could beinfiltrated.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, and that would be out security.
Their mail and would result ina condition of enemy.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Their mail would get intercepted, like they do to all
of their, their members.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, talk about that .
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, we can intercept your mail, but hey, we
don't want our mail intercepted?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, absolutely not.
So put that anyway, that's areally good point right.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's kind of wild.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It is wild that they don't want their mail to be
intercepted, but theyintercepted all of our mail and
yet for 30 years we never hadmail that had not been
intercepted.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When we worked at the base.
when we got our mail it hadalready been opened and read
before we got it, and if we sentsomething out we had to leave
it unsealed so somebody couldread it and then seal it when
they were done right or theycould even take stuff out, like
if we sent pictures, or theycould take that stuff out and
(18:41):
sometimes not even send theletter, right, just shred it or
put it in your file, yeah, andbe like and put a note on it
saying we didn't send this.
There was an end, or heincluded some information that
we felt was not correct orsomething.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That was secured.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And they wouldn't even tell you.
Maybe if you did somethingreally wild like hey, come get
me, then they'd probably go andsay, hey, what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Of all the people there.
No staff member would try that.
I mean, you know, I don't knowabout that.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I heard, I've heard uh stories because, well,
because, yeah, because I workedwith people that were, some of
my friends, were in thedepartment three, so they tell
us stories and then we'd hearstuff and be like what anyway,
okay, that's a lot of setup.
Let's get to this.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Let's get to this fun stuff here.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You'll never guess what.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
My computer is working.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Awesome.
Do we have the letter in thisthing?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yes, we do Okay, Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, guys, somebody sent me this photo.
This is amazing.
Somebody sent me this photo.
I don't know where it came from.
I think it's on reddit or it'son twitter, it's somewhere x,
it's somewhere out there on theinterwebs.
Someone sent it to me and saidhey, I saw this.
Is this?
Does you?
(20:07):
Do you know who this is?
And um, okay, let's just startit.
We'll just put it up here.
This, this is my mother.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Her name is trudy hensley I don't get to be on the
screen anymore uh, I guess Ican put you in here too.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
There we go, we're both squeezing in there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
All right, there we go this is trudy hensley.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Is there another good layout for this?
You did.
You whack up these layouts nolet me see if there's a yeah,
there's one right there.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You want me to do it it?
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't know.
We'll do that one.
I like that one better.
Okay, trudy Hensley, this is mymother.
She was in the when I joinedthe Sea Org when I was 16, I
recruited my sister for the SeaOrg and then my sister worked
Actually, we both worked at AbleInternational in Los Angeles,
(20:56):
which is a Scientologyorganization responsible for
Narconon, criminon, appliedScholastics and the Way to
Happiness Foundation, and it isa Sea Org organization.
I recruited my sister.
My sister was actually incharge of letters out and
letters in and I was in chargeof recruitment.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's all going to make sense.
She was writing letters out andI was in charge of recruitment.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's all gonna make sense.
She was writing letters out andget letters in, but I wasn't
getting any people in.
She was actually the onlyperson I got in.
Yeah, okay, then several yearslater I don't know who recruited
her, if my sister recruited heror if my mom just joined.
I actually don't know the storyon that.
I just know that my mother thenalso joined the C organization
and my mother was supposed tobecome an operating Phaeton
(21:38):
course room supervisor, so shewould supervise people that were
getting the secret OT levelsone through eight.
She was at AOLA, so she wasdoing one through five or one
through six and then you can doseven at there.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
No six and seven are at FLAG.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, so she would do up to five at AOLA.
So you find out all about Zinuand she was a course supervisor
there and then she had to go toFLAG.
I think she had to go to FLAGto Florida to be trained on how
to become an OT supervisor.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right, which was during in 1996, for the golden
age of tech.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'm not, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to make
this that long, but you need toknow the backstory to understand
the insanity of where we're,where we're going to get to here
.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So in the C organization she went through
her operating.
Thayton levels.
She did some before, but shedid some in the C org as well
and she trained to become an OTsupervisor in the C org, that's
right, yeah, okay.
When you do any kind ofcounseling or training in
Scientology, if you're in the Corganization, you do not pay for
that.
You sign a note saying, yeah,I'm a C org member, I'm good.
(23:01):
If I bail, you can bill me.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Okay, okay, so she did all that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When she was training in Florida, she got into a
fight with an RTC staff member.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, she got into a number of fights actually, to be
fair.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh, I only knew about one.
She was hey the other one hebeat the shit out of me when I
was growing up, so I don't it'snot a surprise to me that she's
a violent, angry person, theother ones were with her husband
at the time, who?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
was also a member of the sea organization.
His name was burt.
Yes, and I remember becauseburt smith yes, there you go.
So she was trudy smith, yeah,and he came in to work one day.
I was training to become an rtcrep yeah, and he had all these
scratches and bruises and likewhat's going on with burt?
And he and somebody said, oh,trudy, beat him up.
I was like ohops.
(23:54):
My mother-in-law is getting amighty fine reputation around
here.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
She liked to throw fists.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
She liked to scrap.
Okay Okay, that was a littlebit of a side note I didn't know
all that much about, but eitherway, we didn't have a whole lot
of time for notes when we werein the organization.
Now she gets into these fightsin Florida and she ends up
getting into a fight with areligious technology
(24:24):
representative.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And her name is Marina Pazotti.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah Was she has since passed away.
I think she had cancer or yeahwas Was.
She has since passed away.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think she had cancer or yeah.
Anyway, marina Pizzotti I likedMarina.
Marina was actually kind of awild gal she was.
She was a bit of fun, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
She could get her mean streak.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh yeah, no problem, she could switch to.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She wasn't like the Jenny Linsons of the world, like
through and through pure evil.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
She wasn't diabolical , but if she needed to get nasty
she could switch on nasty realeasily and very effectively.
Yes, for sure I knew herbecause she was on a mission to
AOSHEU, which is the AdvancedOrganization of St Hill Europe,
in Denmark, copenhagen, onJambonagé, when we were
renovating it there across fromScala I don't know if Scala is
(25:15):
still there or Tivoli, but it'sright down there in Copenhagen
and she went there to do anethics mission.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And when they were there doing the ethics mission,
people were escaping.
As soon as they showed up,people started just skedaddling
because they whatever.
Whenever you're in the Sea Organd an epics mission shows up,
that basically means everyone inthe entire place is going to
get interrogated and they'regoing to find out any and all
nonsense that's going on,because if you don't rat
(25:45):
yourself out, somebody else willrat you out.
Oh, the light went out again.
You know, I ordered a new oneof these signs but I had to hot
wire this one that the powersupply melted into a ball, and
then I I re, I rewired it withsomething else, but it's not
living up.
So anyway, nobody can even seethat.
There you go.
That light it's out, sorry,back to the story, okay, okay,
(26:10):
so she gets in a fight withMarina Pizzotti and Marina and
Marina Pizzotti assigns her tothe Rehabilitation Project Force
.
Yes, just like hey, you can'tfight an RTC staff member.
I'm the boss of everybody.
My boss is David Muscavage.
You're going to the RPF Right.
For anybody who's new watchingthe channel, the RPF is the
Rehabilitation Project Force andit's a Scientology labor camp
(26:34):
that Sea Org members do.
That can last anywhere from twoyears to 15 years and you do
hard labor all day and either inthe morning or at night.
You get interrogated abouteverything you've ever done in
your life and you getreprogrammed, so to speak.
If you make it through the RPF,you've had a good amount of
reprogramming or Scientologybrainwashing like forcefully
(26:57):
done to you every single day foryears at a time.
There's no days off.
You do it until you're done andit we literally know people who
have been on it over a decade.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, and your mom was on it for at least three or
four, maybe five years At leastMost.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I would say half her Sea Org career was spent on the
RPF.
Yeah, at least, if not asignificant portion of it, many,
many years.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Which is actually funny.
I just think of that.
I just thought of this.
You know who else went to theRPF for a long time?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Your mom.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yep, your mom and my sister.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, exactly.
And those are all the guys thatare doing hate videos on us.
They all went to the RPF.
Yes, screw them, okay.
So my mom gets into a fight.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, I think it's also relevant for what we're
talking about here, sure it iswe're going to show, because the
whole purpose of theRehabilitation Project Force is
to reprogram your soul into arobot that will do exactly what
it's supposed to yeah, stopgetting up to nonsense and do
what we tell you to do Right,exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Okay, so my mom, trudy Hensley, she's now Trudy
Smith.
She was Trudy Morgan, then shebecame Trudy Hedley, then she
became Trudy Kingsbury, then shebecame Trudy Smith, then she
became Trudy, something or other, some it was like a foreign guy
, right?
I can't remember his name.
Even I don't remember that oneyeah there was a foreign guy for
(28:22):
it, like Pablo or Dominguez, orI don't know.
Anyway, then she became TrudyHensley, and that's what she is
today.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
As of recently, within the last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, okay, as of 2025, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So when she was Trudy , she might have been Trudy
Smith or she might have been thenext Trudy when this happened.
Yes, when she went to the RPF.
Yeah, okay, she goes to the RPF.
And what they basically claimedis and we are going to get a
little teeny bit into the weedshere but if you go on an e-meter
and you're getting aninterrogation on the e-meter and
(29:00):
the e-meter does what's calleda rock slam, the needle of the
e-meter shakes and rattleserratically all over the dial.
That's called a rock slam.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
now, if that happens, it's like slashing back and
forth with absolutely no controlviolent slashing yes, the
needle yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
If the needle rock slams when somebody is getting
interrogated, there's only twopossibilities.
Yep, two, the meter is faultyyep or that person is super evil
right and it's called a rockslam, it's called a evil purpose
(29:41):
.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They have an evil purpose and they and it's called
a list one list one rockslammer yeah, which means one is
um, it, uh, it's a, an actuallist, but it means that the
person has evil intentionstowards Scientology L Ron
Hubbard, david Miscavige, likevery specific core subjects, not
(30:04):
just like, oh, they have evilintentions towards turtles.
It's not like that is list.
One is they have a rock slam onspecific subjects directly
related to Scientology, whichmeans that they uh, yeah, and so
much so.
By the way, when you talk aboutthe two reasons that if the
(30:25):
e-meter, the lie detector inScientology, begins to have this
needle phenomena, the veryfirst thing the person operating
the e-meter must do isimmediately do this whole check
to see if it's the meter that'smalfunctioning.
They have to write that down inthe worksheets that they did
that, and if that test does notshow any fault, then it's
(30:51):
validated as an actual list.
One rock slam.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, this is a huge deal in Scientology and there
was a period I want to say itwas in the 1970s or the 80s
where people were just beingdeclared suppressives and saying
they're rock slammers all overthe place, and it turned out
this all comes back to me reallyit turns out that the E-meters
that were made at Golden EraProductions were, in fact,
(31:18):
faulty and that's why all thesepeople were getting these needle
reactions, because childrenwere soldering these things and
they had bad solder joints andbad solder connections.
To be fair, this was before Iworked at Golden Era Productions
, but during the time that I didwork there, there were children
still soldering the E-meters.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I had to solder E-meter parts as part of all
hands.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Does not know how to solder.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, does not know how to solder at all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, thanks for that .
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So it's such a big deal.
Cold solder joint queen overhere, okay, does not thanks for
that.
So it's such a big deal.
Cold solder joint queen overhere, okay, does not let it flow
.
The solder needs to flow andthen you know, you're good.
That's the key, the solder,okay.
So she gets in a fight withMarina.
She gets an interview, themeter rock slams.
They don't check the meter,they don't do none of that, they
(32:10):
just say, of course you're evil.
Marina said you were evil.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now the meter saying you fought with Marina.
Yeah, you're just see, Iwouldn't want to be yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
See you next Tuesday.
Okay, so now she gets assignedto the RPF.
Yep, now, every single day shewrites a report and says I
shouldn't be on the RPF, thischick is.
She started it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I didn't get a committee of evidence.
This is an injustice.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She tries to use all the Scientology policies.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
My statistics were up .
I was doing great things.
My students were raving aboutme.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
She sends a report every single day that she's on
the RPF, yeah, okay, and I haveto tell you all this because
when you see what she's doingnow, you will not believe it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It won't make any sense.
Aside from hate videos yeah,she also has done hate videos on
us, so whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Maybe she, maybe they were right, I don't know.
Anyway, whatever on us, sowhatever Maybe she.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
maybe they were right I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Anyway, whatever, oh gosh, okay, she writes a report
every day.
Whatever she's going, she's,that's it she.
And when you write a report inScientology, if something
horrible has happened andthere's been an injustice and L
Ron Hubbard's policies have beenviolated, you're supposed to
send a report to the reportsofficer.
Rtc.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And then you can send them to your local organization
and you can copy people.
It's a lot of work to write areport in Scientology because
you might need to make 60 copiesof the thing to send it to all
the different people that haveto get a copy of this thing.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And also none of the people are required to do
anything with it.
They can just put it toshredding and no one will know
anything about it.
I mean, there's policies thatyou're supposed to do stuff, but
they can easily not, but not ifit's written on somebody who's
upstate.
Well, either way, ethicsprotected, that's true, Okay, so
she writes these reports.
Years go by, she's stillwriting these reports every day.
(34:02):
She's still on the RPF and Ithink eventually she became part
of the.
They have a mill, a wood mill,a furniture mill in Clearwater
that makes all the furniture fortheir hotels and their
buildings and they make alltheir own furniture with CNC
machines and planers and edgersand all the stuff you need to
make furniture and that's whereshe works.
(34:25):
Actually, for my birthday oneyear she sent me a bunch of wood
scraps that she called a demokit and it was in an old ice
cream package.
Like you know, if you buy likea half a gallon of ice cream
it's a plastic tub.
It was in one of those, all thepieces and it was like happy
birthday, that was my birthday.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know what they say?
It's a thought.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's a good one, babe .
Okay.
So now it's like three, fouryears later, David Miscavige is
having this meeting with us andhe had just been in Florida the
day before.
And in this meeting he'stelling the story and he, he
basically we're kind of waitingfor some people to arrive Like
(35:06):
he called somebody like hey, goget this person.
And while we're waiting for himto get that person to the
meeting, he just likes to vamp.
This is his thing, he, he, hewill, he will find a reason to
stop the meeting, that we allhave to wait and we can't
continue what we were talkingabout.
And during that time he vampsand he starts, he starts off
(35:29):
this meeting.
I remember this like it wasyesterday.
He basically says you guys arenever going to believe I met the
dumbest bitch in all of the SeaOrg.
That's exactly what he said.
Those were the exact words.
He goes it's this blondedingbat that's in the mill in at
flag and she's on the rpf forsome stupid thing and there's no
(35:53):
way she should even be on therpf, but she's so stupid that
they let her be on the rpf.
Yeah, that I just was likewhatever, leave her there.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She's not going to be any good anywhere else yeah,
she's literally and again toreiterate, these are you're
quoting David Miscavige on whathe was saying, word for word.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And also this was going on for like 15 minutes.
Whoever this person was, theywere not nearby.
They had to round them up fromthe building across the property
and also the property's 548acres.
So if you're on the other side,it could take 15 minutes to get
to wherever you got to get to.
Okay, so we're having thismeeting.
He's talking about this chickand he's like she's so stupid
(36:35):
and she's blonde.
To top it all off, she's alsoblonde and every question I
answer is just like she isliterally a robot.
She's the stupidest person, andI'm like thinking to myself hmm
, I knew a little bit enoughabout her story that she got in
a fight and she went to the RPF,which is kind of a wild thing.
I don't know anyone else in theentirety of the Sea Org who
(36:59):
went to the RPF for just gettingin a fight.
People get in fights all thetime, like there's a fight every
day at the gold base.
It's not uncommon.
People get in fights all thetime, true, like there's a fight
every day at the gold base.
Yeah, it's not uncommon forpeople to dust it up over dumb
things and nothing to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Right, yeah, I mean David.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Miscavige, is going around beating everybody.
So it's not like, and he, he,he leads by example.
So when somebody doesn't getsomething done and he gives them
a beat down, then that person,when they're yelling at their
people, they give their people abeat down, and so on and so on.
It's like that Clairolcommercial, anyway, okay, okay.
So the meeting ends andeverybody leaves and I pulled
(37:38):
two of the people that were inFlorida aside it's actually
Angie Blankenship and JennyLinson.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I pulled them aside and I say hey, and they look
like oh yeah, they know.
Like as soon as I walk up tothem, they're like shit, we're
fucked.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Anyway I go, hey, he's talking about my mom, right
, and they're like your mom'sTrudy Hensley, right.
And I said or Trudy Smith orwhatever the frick her name was
then and I go, yeah, it wasTrudy.
I want to say it was TrudySmith.
Yeah, I want to say it wasTrudy Smith.
(38:16):
At that time she hadn't changedher name or whatever it was.
They knew that we had someconnection.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And they said, yeah, it was her.
And I said you know, she writesa report every single day.
They go yeah, we know.
And then this is like butthere's no way we can do
anything because she is the onewho had the conversation with
him, so we can't get involved.
It's just we.
We're not going to stick up forher because she couldn't stick
up for herself.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, like they could never say, oh well, sir,
actually she like.
When he says, oh, she's sostupid she shouldn't even be on
the rpf, yeah, the logical thingyou'd say is, well, sir,
actually she's been doing, youknow, writing reports on this
whole.
Thing every single day for thelast three years.
But if they say that, then theyare going to become the target
(38:59):
of miscavige's wrath that'sright and he's going to tell
them their worker oriented andblah, blah, blah, yeah, in this
c?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
org.
You don't fall Sea Org.
You don't fall on your a sword.
You don't fall on someoneelse's sword.
No, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
If you, if you, if you dug yourself into a hole,
that's your hole, you, you getit.
I'm not.
I'm not jumping in there withyou, right, for no reason.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Okay, here's the clincher.
She's been writing thesereports to RTC every single day.
Well, after she got in a fightwith this gal, the RTC Marina,
she got taken away from flagbecause she was a little bit of
a firecracker herself, yep.
So when that happened, it waslike hey, maybe let's move
(39:44):
Marina back to rtc.
She's been out there a whileand she's dusted it up with
people, let's just bring herback to rtc yeah she becomes the
rtc reports off.
So my mom is sending a report tothe person that assigned her to
the rpf and that person doesn'tgive two shits about her and I
(40:05):
don't even think marina evenknew she was related to me no,
because she has a different lastname.
If you knew you knew, but othergenerally familial relations
were never discussed no, andalso the organization.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It would be a mystery yeah, we rarely even knew like
which seer members had kids, forexample, or you know yeah,
exactly, we work with somebodyfor 20 years and then we get out
, we go.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That was my mom.
I was like oh, I didn't even.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
He never even mentioned that he had a kid.
Yeah, like I had.
Yeah, anyway, that's the point.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Or she, or whichever.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Okay, so she stays on the RPF, that's it.
That RPF, that's it.
That's where the story ends,okay, when I escaped, when
Claire and I escaped in 2005, mysister worked at the
international headquarters.
She'd also had a long stint onthe RPF too, and Biddy Miscavige
is the one that signed her tothe RPF.
(40:57):
Okay, so when we leave in 2005,january 2005, my sister is in
the Sea Org at the InternationalBase.
She's the Director ofCommunications at Golden Air
Productions, again in charge ofLetters Out and Letters In.
Okay, and she my mother wasstill on the RPF in Florida, at
(41:23):
Clearwater, at what they callthe Flag Land Base.
Right in Florida, at Clearwater,at their what they call the
flag land base.
Right, and they got kicked outof the Sea Org because now they
were connected to us, right, andthey don't.
They don't serve any benefit tothe Sea Organization on their
own, but because they'reconnected to us they cannot be
(41:43):
in the Sea Organization.
They are a liability at thispoint, right, because we're
causing trouble and we'retelling all the stories about
David Miscavige, so my motherand sister both get basically
kicked out of the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah.
I have to think too, though,that a huge part of the threat
was that, should they decide tojoin us, then the stories they
would tell us and everythingelse would exponentially just
have ripple effects?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, yeah, because they left many years after we
did and they also.
They were in Florida for longand they were, and my mother had
this conversation with DavidMiscavige, and so they are their
own liabilities now thatthey're connected to us, yeah,
which circles back to the reasonfor the hate sites.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
We've always presumed that we were the primary
audience for the hate sites thatthey do.
But I was thinking through itgoing.
Well, why does some people havehate sites and some people
don't?
And certainly one commondenominator of everyone who has
a hate website is they havefamily members still in
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, they need to be made an example of and they
need to use those family membersagainst them, because we don't
want the family members to turnyes and then they also get.
They add to the fold.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, I just think it's very important to
understand the dynamics at play.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, that's a lot of setup.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think we're good, we're ready to go Okay, so
that's her.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
That's Trudy Hensley, mark's mother.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
That is my sister, Stephanie Hedley.
Her new last name is Latine or.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Latine?
I don't know, I don't know howto spell it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I don't know how to say it.
That's my sister, stephanie.
This is also a screenshot fromher hate video.
And also, this is even betternow If you're in the Sea Org and
you go to the RPF, you're ashitty Sea Org member.
Have you ever been to the RPF?
Have I ever been to the RPF?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
We both came very close, but no, the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Years, these two Years.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, in fact, when we were talking about this
before this episode, I wastelling you how I had decided my
.
So my mother was sent to therehabilitation project force
when I was seven years old, andat that time I was going to show
a picture of her.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh yeah, Is she in here too?
There she is there that's mymother.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
When I was seven years old, she was sent to the
rehabilitation project force.
My resolution at that time isif anyone ever tries to send me
to the rehabilitation projectforce, I don't care what happens
, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, also, let's go back to these guys.
Okay, trevon put this upExactly, 100%.
He says Scientology.
They should thank you for beingkicked out of the Sea Org.
Yes, yes, that's what I was.
I'm like you're welcome, I leftand then you got a red carpet
(44:35):
right out of there.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, that's how I feel about the people who got to
leave and have kids.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Okay, so this is the photo wegot sent, though it is a letter.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Okay, so this is the photo we got sent, though it is
a letter, okay, oh, by the way,trevon also said I was in the
hole, though, and that is true.
I was in the hole for threemonths.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Everybody was in the hole in all of international
management.
It wasn't selective.
There weren't two people in thehole, there was 200.
Right, okay, this is from theChurch of Scientology of
Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You got to put it on both of us.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Oh, okay, whatever?
You're reading it here.
I'm going to make it real big,because this is a doozy.
Okay, church of Scientology ofCincinnati.
Don't get boggled down by logicat any point of this.
The Church of Scientology ofCincinnati is located in
Florence, kentucky.
Now, okay, let's just say okay,I'm pretty sure, cincinnati,
(45:39):
the city of Cincinnati islocated in Ohio.
I understand that Florence,Kentucky is a suburb of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
It would be like having having an organization, a
Scientology organization, inGreenwood Village, Colorado, and
calling it the Denver.
That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, don't get boggled down by logic.
Don't try to make sense ofanything in Scientology.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, we do recommend .
Do not try to insert logicAnyway this is from this year,
folks.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It says dear bloody blah, good day to you.
Very well done on purchasing abook in 1999, exclamation,
exclamation, exclamation.
Your next step is the Dianeticsseminar.
Come in today at 283 MainStreet, florence, kentucky,
(46:29):
41042.
For all the details, bestregards Trudy.
Trudy Hensley.
Letter writer.
Okay, now, guys, let's pickthis thing apart for a second
here, okay, we have a new levelof nonsense going on here.
(46:54):
Folks, I can't make the rightthere we go.
Good day to you.
That's okay it is.
She does write to the persondear, let's just call him jack,
dear, jack, yep, hey, well done,I'm buying that book back in
1999 now.
First of all, well done, that'sa 100.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's a scientology lingo okay, I have an important
question for you yes, let.
Let me ask you, Mark.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, seriously yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
What book did you buy 26 years ago?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, I don't think I've ever bought a book
unless it was a required thingfor, like when you do the
Hubbard Qualified Scientologistcourse.
That's one of the very firstcourses you do in Scientology.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And when I was I think I did it when I was like
11 or 12.
And I was made to buy aDianetics book.
I had to literally get money.
I had to make the money.
I had to take out garbage in myapartment building and save up
like $8.
And then they made me buy thebook.
And I never read the damn thing, but I had to buy it and I even
(47:57):
tried to buy an old copybecause those were cheaper.
And I think they still got mefor eight bucks.
Yeah, yeah, um, so I think that.
Oh, and you know, when we werein the seo, I had to buy an
ethics book.
Yeah, I had to buy a volumezero and they made us buy all
that.
You know what?
I just realized that theydidn't give us those.
We had to buy our own materials.
We did in the, in the, in thefreeloader thing.
(48:18):
They don't.
You could do the course forfree, but you have to buy the
material.
Yeah, what a hunk of shit.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Okay, Anyway.
So this person bought a book in1991, 1999.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
26 years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He's writing him 26 years later to let him know hey,
you know what the next thingyou're supposed to do is?
You're supposed to do theDianetics seminar.
So he probably bought theDianetics book.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, and, and to insert a more serious note, this
letter is coming from Mark'smother who has never met our
three kids, never met hergrandchildren.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Well, no, she met him at a funeral.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Oh, yeah, she did one time.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
But she, I mean that's it but like.
They don't know who she is andshe doesn't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I forgot about that, but she and she didn't anyway.
Yeah, but still like.
How many letters has she everwritten to her grandchildren?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
None.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
None, that was my point.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But she wrote a letter to good old Jack here and
then she says your next step isto seminar.
Come in today.
Today she gives the address,which the address is in the
letter, it's in the on theletterhead.
Yep, she's kind of like okay,like you didn't have to do that
weak repetition you just say youcould come in today at the
address up above.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Let's I mean come on but then it wouldn't have been a
full-page letter also.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
And then it just says for all all the details, period
.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Which is not even a grammatically correct English
sentence.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
It should be come in today for all the details and
then don't even put the address.
Just come in today for all thedetails.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Obviously somebody has to use X.
In the early days, when youcould only get, you only had
like so many characters, you hadlike 44 characters or whatever
it was.
It's like no use ampersands.
Let's take out some of thesewords.
We're getting a littlefrou-frou here.
Let's turn this thing down oh myokay and then it says best
regards trudy trudy hensleyletter.
(50:10):
Writer.
Now these titles, they'rereally good.
We read these, this letter thatthey sent all of the companies
that I've done work for, and itwas like they had in there like
freedom rights activist.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, and you know what?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Mom, but I did want to say Freedom fighter.
You know, just yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Insanity.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
They just have they.
Literally they attachsignificances to everything.
She could just write TrudyHeadley, cincinnati, org, or you
know whatever, or volunteereven yeah but also by the way,
also by the way, this is I gottasay this the letter writer is
the lowest life form in the corganization well, there's no
(50:55):
what else?
What else like janitor and, uh,even the janitors is like when
something's broken, it's like,hey, no, Phil's not writing any
letters.
You got to unclog these toilets, Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Fair enough, fair enough A letter writer is the.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's basically like when, when there's shit to get
done, yeah, ain't letter writinggetting done, no, Letter
writing is the least priority ofeverything, yeah, we gots to
get stuff done.
Maybe at Golden Air Productions.
Yes, I don't know how it was inthese organizations, but even
when I worked at Los Angeles Day, when I was like 11 or 12, when
(51:29):
I was doing that course, Iworked and I did the bulk mail.
We stuffed letters and we wroteletters and stuff like that.
Yeah, and I was 11 and I waswriting letters Okay, 11.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yes, this was 1984.
We have nine minutes TinaTurner.
What's?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
love got to do with.
It was playing on the radio.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
But here's what I wanted to say yes, Because,
because to us this was this waslike totally normal.
Yeah, that's how you signletters.
But the person that sent thisto you made the really good
comment Like what kind ofmarketing is that like make the
person feel really important?
Speaker 1 (52:05):
why don't you lonely letter writer also we should
just note for the record thisperson passed away many years
ago right before also scient.
Before you start trying totrack shit down, the person you
wrote this to has passed away.
Somebody who knows them gave itto their friend, who gave it to
(52:25):
their friend, who put it on theInternet.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
And we have no idea who that is.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Don't mess with any of these people, okay.
Your letter writer done, messedup.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
And your mom is writing this letter not from a
position of a staff member ofthe organization, but as a
civilian Scientologist.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
She's volunteering because she's not allowed to do
anything until she pays off herfreeloader debt.
So all that money she racked updoing OT, supervisor courses
and all that they gave her abill.
And then, after she pays thatbill, if she wants to do
Scientology again, she has tostart over and go from the
(53:06):
bottom.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
She's already been paying tens of thousands of
dollars over the last few yearsto redo all of her training.
It's absolute insanity.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
We know this because she speaks to all of her family
that are not in Scientology andmost of the time when she's
ringing them up, it's to getsome do-re-mi out of them so she
can go back and learn aboutXenu and the body Thetans again.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, and every time we hear that we say oh, just
tell her to give us a call, ortell her to pound sand.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Please don give her any money right for space cootie
training come on exactly canyou imagine no one of her family
members giving her like tenthousand dollars so she can
relearn about space cooties.
No, what a giant waste of funds.
Okay, now we have some other.
This again this is jen.
This is claire's mom, um, andshe.
(53:57):
She also lives in Clearwater.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
She does.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
My mother lives in.
Last time somebody told me shelives next to a strip bar in
Kentucky, somewhere like in alittle motel unit that's not in
the best part of town.
My sister lives in Clearwaterand works for American Power and
Gas.
I think his name is Tom Cummins, some big, richy, rich
(54:21):
Scientologist, and then yourmother and father also live in
Clearwater now or in.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Florida, in the Florida area, yeah, clearwater.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
This is Hugh Claire's stepfather.
And he was also did a hatevideo and he was also named as a
Scientology witness when Clairebecame a Scientology expert.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, he was named to counter my expert witness
testimony on Scientology, whichis just a big laughing joke.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah.
Also this photo is, so somebodyhad to go for us and get all
these images from theScientology hate sites.
And Scientology watches ourchannel because Claire hasn't
worn these glasses until werecently did a video on our
channel and so they're watching.
And also, I don't know, I'm nota Photoshop expert.
(55:10):
I mean, I can get around in it.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
It's literally comical.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
But I don't know what's going on with the Sea Org
Photoshop team.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
We just wanted to share this.
You know whatever.
Okay, do whatever you're goingto do to my face it's kind of
sad that Scientology'stax-exempt dollars are being
used to cut my face in half.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Hey, you know what At least?
Speaker 2 (55:33):
well, actually, you don't even look like you have
any teeth and apparentlyMiscavige, doesn't like my
glasses.
There you go.
They photoshopped out my teethin my shot, I know, and that's
the other thing.
I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Like not all of them, just individual ones, Right.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Like the photo they have of Mark on the website that
they sent to us is from like 20years ago.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, but my photo.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
They sliced my face in half and it's from like May
of this year.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, so anyway, go to the next slide.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
So we said welcome our latest OSIS subscribers
watching the channel.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
I don't know if the subscribers, but they're
definitely getting views.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, we're getting views anyway.
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
God Okay, guys.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
So you're going to do a giveaway and I'm going to
bounce and be ready for to startin four minutes.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Oh, is that how it is ?
Yeah, bye everybody We'll seeyou uh.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
See you shortly.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, we're going to go to um this video after I do
the giveaway.
This video will automaticallyfeed into the um, the aftermath
foundation feed.
What is it number three or four?
Number three, um, okay, let'sdo the uh, let's do this.
Where's the uh giveawaygiveaway screen?
Wow, we got a hundred entriesso far.
(56:51):
If you want to uh comment, uh,you'll be entered into the
giveaway.
Otherwise, uh, I'm just gonnado it right now.
I'm going to go, we'll do thisand then I'll answer some
questions until the last fewseconds before it feeds into the
other video.
And congratulations to Becky,big Brother Fan.
(57:12):
I think Becky's won before.
I don't know, but I think shehas.
Congratulations big.
Becky, big Brother fan.
You know what to do?
Email, claire, she'll hook youup.
Let's do some questions here.
Harvey Denton.
I like that, harvey Denton.
(57:33):
I wonder if doing hate videoswas the price of getting off the
RPF.
You know, I think the hatevideos might be of a.
You need to.
If they want to get out oflower conditions or they want to
get onto their OT levels, theyneed to prove that they're loyal
and that they're not talkingwith us and they're not friends
(57:53):
with us, and that's pretty muchproves if you're you're loyal,
you're gonna do a hate video.
So if you know somebody thatwas in scientology and they have
um a um a hate video on them byone of their family members,
then that family member is mostlikely very, very loyal to
(58:14):
scientology.
Um, burb life says has theblown?
Has the light blown for good?
I think the light did you knowhere.
Let me see if I go back to it.
You know, it's like the powersupply I have is a little
different than the one that camewith it, so I think it just
overheats.
But, um, anyway, when I went togo get a new one, they said
(58:36):
they don't use that power supplyanymore.
I was like, well, yeah, goodthing, mine tried to burn my
house down.
Okay, what else do?
We got here.
How many more minutes do wehave?
We have like another minute ortwo.
Do estates orgs have BMO andletters out?
You know, I've never worked inan estates org.
I would assume they do, becausethey have to write letters to
(59:00):
the organizations like hey, youknow your people aren't doing
their cleaning stations andwe've had to vacuum more than
once a year.
Make sure your people do that.
Japan of Green Gables question.
Hi, headways, I'm guessing thereason Scientology officials
always sign letters with muchlove was in policy.
Was that Hubbard's rationalefor always closing with this
Seems very 2D.
Yeah, yeah, you know, I don'tknow where much love comes from.
It might be an, uh, l ronhubbard thing and it might just
(59:22):
be a c-org thing um, becauseeverybody in the c-org does that
.
Um, okay, uh, oh, we gotanother one here.
Uh, do estates orgs have bmoand letters in?
Yeah, we did that one.
This is the one.
Our so crew actually gettingany grade chart action?
Uh, how much.
What does the staff sectionofficer really do?
It's very, very rare thatpeople do Scientology counseling
(59:46):
in the C organization.
Okay, I'm going to end this andwe're going to go to the other
video.
Thanks guys, we'll see you nexttime.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofBlown for Good Scientology
Exposed.
I am joined today by my lovelywife Claire.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hey, hey, hey, thanks for joining us today, everybody
.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
We have a little bit of a different episode today.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
Don't we always?
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We try to keep.
We try to.
You know we try to do differentstuff on here.
We try to do what people liketo hear about.
But we got sent a photo on theinternet and, um, and we're
going to go through that, but,as we always do, let people get
their notifications and let themget a chance to get in here.
If you want to uh enter intotoday's giveaway that we're
(00:58):
going to do on the channel, allyou have to do is comment and,
uh, what we'd like to do is we'dlike to see where you guys are
coming from or where you'rewatching from.
So, if you want to put in thecomments where you're watching
from, we'll take a minute to gothrough those and then, once we
have a certain amount of peoplein here, then we'll fire it up
and we'll get into the main meatand potatoes of the video
(01:20):
Sounds like a plan.
Let's see here, here we go.
Sounds like a plan.
Let's see here here we go.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
You get to read them for today, since my computer is
still firing.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh, my goodness, I got to do everything At the last
second.
This computer just wouldn'tturn on, so we got another one,
and supposedly that one doesn'tturn on it might not be the
computer, if you know what Imean, guys.
Hey now wait a minute.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
To be full disclosure , that was not my computer that
died, it was yours, this is mine, but I will take responsibility
for the fact that it was dead.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So we swapped out one dead computer for another dead
computer, yeah.
Is that cord plugged in, thatyou're plugged into there?
Yep, okay, well, katie D fromIreland is here.
Oh yay, joseph Brian Stanleyfrom Speedway Indiana.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Nice.
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
We got Tracy Hobart from Wyoming.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Awesome.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
We got Trevenon from Netherlands.
As always, he's a frequentflyer, for sure.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yes, netherlands in the house.
We appreciate you, trevon, forbeing here.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And then we've got Em from Washington State, tricia
from Sunland, california, laurenB from Maryland, amelia Seven
from Nova Scotia.
Necessary Trouble from GlasgowMontana, my all-time favorite
YouTube handle.
Necessary Trouble from GlasgowMontana.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
My all-time favorite YouTube handle Necessary Trouble
.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We got Mary Kay, london from Albuquerque, haggis
Basher from Toronto, jamie fromSouthern Utah, december from
East Tennessee, carla from theUK, nice and from Sweden.
We've got a lot of diversityhere in the locations.
I love it.
(03:11):
Ddk hello for Scientology.
Free Rhode Island, yes.
Purple Groovy 69, st Louis,missouri.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Oh nice, we haven't seen Purple Groovy for a little
bit.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
I don't think, yeah, welcome back Jack Shaw 809 from
Henderson Nevada.
It haven't seen Purple Groovyfor a little bit.
I don't think.
Yeah, welcome back Jack Shaw809 from Henderson Nevada.
It's only 98 today.
It's a chilly 98 in Henderson,it's a lot.
And then we got Ellie fromPennsylvania.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Awesome Sounds good.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So, yeah, lots of people in here and we have
Scientology Peeling the Onionfrom Las Vegas.
Yay, mark's been putting out.
I did a bunch of interviews onMark Fisher's channel that's
Scientology Peeling the Onion.
Him and Janice both live in LasVegas and we did I've done a
bunch of interviews on theirchannel over the years, but he's
(04:01):
been cutting up them intoshorts.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Oh, okay.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
And most of them are David Miscavige related.
So I think he just put anotherone of those out today.
So if you guys want to go overthere and check out Scientology,
peeling the Onion, he's got alot of fun stuff on there.
Mark Fisher was in ReligiousTechnology Center and he was
directly under David Miscavige.
What am I supposed to call himDavid Miscavige?
(04:25):
What am I supposed to call himMiscavige?
He was under David Miscavigefor many years and he was the
corporate liaison in charge.
So like there used to be athing in Religious Technology
Center where if ReligiousTechnology Center was dealing
with other parts of Scientologythat really weren't like, I
(04:50):
think, the ecclesiastical Idon't exactly know the do you
know what the origin of thatoffice is?
Why corporate liaison?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was, and.
Mark would know the answerbetter, but it was basically
like you know and again we'vetalked about how RTC religious
technology technology center isrepresented as a flag corporate
liaison was just the, thelanguage that made it that they
could go into any organizationand get david miscavige's orders
done yeah, anyway corporateliaison, meaning they can go
(05:21):
anywhere and do anything I mean,you don't really need a title
for that in psychology but theycame up with one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Now they just do that .
Yeah, exactly, that's just anormal thing.
David Miscavige just doeswhatever he wants.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He got rid of all of upper management, so he's just,
you know.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Anyway, Mark Fisher was in Religious Technology
Center right under DavidMiscavige.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
So most of the stories he left very shortly
after we got there, maybe evenbefore you got there.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, he was gone.
But by the time I got there,yeah.
So there was a there was like ayear crossover period where I
was there and he was there andthe main thing that david
miscavige was working on ingolden era was where where I
worked, right.
So I had a lot of dealings withdavid miscavige and when mark
fisher was there, a lot ofdealings with David Miscavige.
And when Mark Fisher was there,a lot of dealings with Mark
Fisher.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
So we share some stories, and you talk about Mark
in your book too.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
That's true, Mark Fisher.
There's a whole section inthere where David Miscavige
basically gives him the beatdown.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Right, and that was the first time you witnessed
David Miscavige physically abusea staff member.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Yeah, In 1990.
Like just directly Right, whatthe hell is going on?
Yeah, that was a little wild.
Even for that place it was alittle wild.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Okay, I think we're ready to do this.
We've already got like almost200 people in here, so thank you
for joining us guys.
Oh let me do a shameless plugbefore we get get into your
computer working.
You can't do anything until youget your computer working.
That's your assignment.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
No plugs for you, no no, I'm, I'm doing it anyway, um
, as we did last week.
Oh, there we go.
As we did last week.
Um, this, the BFG show willredirect automatically to our
foundation feed, series numberthree, which will begin at 3 pm
Mountain Time.
We'll have Catherine Olson onas a guest, talking with Phil
(07:12):
and I about life afterScientology and how the
Aftermath Foundation helped herescape and get on her feet.
It will be a wonderfulconversation and we'll also have
news and updates.
So thank you so much toeveryone who has helped us grow
that channel.
We were approved formonetization, so we're well on
our way to our 10K subscribercount, which is when we will be
(07:33):
able to initiate and originatefoundation fundraisers on the.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Aftermath channel.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Yes, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And those of you who don't know, the Aftermath
Foundation itself is already anapproved YouTube charity, Of
course.
So if you go to the story ofSergio Obolinski on our channel,
that video supports theAftermath Foundation and any
(08:02):
donations or anything that'smade in that it.
It says fundraiser and you canjust click right on it.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
So on our channel.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yes, On BFG, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Because, because to to originate or have any video
that supports a fundraiser, aYouTube channel has to have
10,000 subscribers.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, okay.
There you go Is that is thatthe are you done with your
shameless plug.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yep, I'm done.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Eight minutes in guys , we might even be able to do a
video here Okay, is yourcomputer turned on yet?
Speaker 2 (08:34):
I declined to mention it's powering up.
Now I'm making progress.
Good job, babe, good job.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Okay, okay, how do we ?
We got to?
We got to kind of set this upfor how this is Okay In
Scientology, in a Scientologyorganization.
So as opposed to, as opposed to.
Well, actually all Scientologyorganizations in the world are
(09:00):
required to do this.
So this actually does apply toany Scientology organization.
L Ron Hubbard wrote a policyabout sending letters out to
your central files.
So if somebody comes in andbuys a Dianetics book, they go
into the files.
If they do a course on how tosuccess through communication,
(09:26):
they buy a course or they doanything in Scientology and they
capture your identity.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Yep, even if they just take the personality test.
That's true.
Yeah, even if you take that.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Yeah, any any physical way that Scientology
captures your identity.
You are now in what is referredto as their central files, and
L Ron Hubbard was very, veryparticular that these files can
only be added to.
They can never be deleted.
(09:57):
They can never be destroyed.
No name in the files can everbe gotten rid of.
They can mark them as deadfiles so people know not to
contact that person, but youcannot remove the contact
information out of the files.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, and even to be fair, the dead file system has
many flaws.
Like we should have been deadfiled when we were declared
suppressive.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Let's not nitpick, babe.
If anything, Scientology hasmany flaws, not just their
filing system.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yes, not to state the obvious, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Okay.
So L Ron Hubbard says you makethe files, you make the files
bigger.
You never get rid of the files,If anything.
If somebody proves antagonisticor a suppressive person, then
you can mark their file as adead file.
And yes, we have bothtechnically should have been
dead filed, but we have beencalled and we have been sent
(11:01):
mailing items from Scientology.
Even though they purport to notwant us to come there, they
still try to get us to come backin many different forms and
ways.
Okay, so that's sort of thesetup for this.
There is another policy where LRon Hubbard directs all
Scientology organization staffmembers to send letters to these
(11:25):
files.
They're supposed to write and Idon't remember it exactly,
which is probably a good thing,but there's a policy that says
the number of pieces sent to themailing list, not the quality,
determines the income of anorganization, or some such
bullshit.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Yes, and sorry, just to back up for a minute too.
Organizationally, anyorganization in Scientology has
seven divisions, and all theletter writing and all this type
of activity that we're talkingabout occurs in division two,
which is known as thedissemination division.
That's correct.
Mm-hmm, which is known as thedissemination division.
That's correct.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
So the dissemination, but also other divisions, are
also required to send letters tothese people.
So if you're in thedissemination division you might
send a letter to somebodysaying, hey, you bought a book
and we'd like you to get startedon your next thing.
And then if somebody has notcalled in or hasn't come into
(12:27):
the organization in many years,then very possibly somebody from
the qualifications division,division five.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Yep.
Would then send a letter sayinghey, we haven't seen you in a
while, and that would be fromthe department of correction or
like Well, usually they wouldcall an all hands, like if
there's not an actual letterwriter post, then they'll say,
okay, we're going to do an allhands.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Everybody everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So that's key because they'll have some other
position or post.
But when they come in for theall hands, their hat is letter
writer.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That's true.
Yeah, that's exactly.
This is a good point, that's agood setup.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Okay so finally so there's a lot of.
So there's a lot of pieces tothis, but essentially all
Scientology staff members andSea Org members internationally
are usually per L Ron Hubbard'spolicies, they are required to
write letters to these centralfiles.
(13:27):
Yes, and there is actually astatistic in a Scientology
organization and it's calledletters out and letters in Yep.
And then they have anotherstatistic that's called BMO bulk
mail out.
That's not a letter.
Bulk mail out, that's not aletter.
That's when you say we're goingto have an event on Saturday
(13:53):
the 15th and we're going todress up like cartoon characters
and we're going to try to getas much money from you as
possible, and then they sendthat to everybody.
That's in that organization'scentral files.
Okay, good, this is good.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah, Differentiation between promotional pieces
that's right and actual letters.
So you got letters out lettersin and BMO Right.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
And those statistics the letters out and letters in,
are the statistics of thedivision one in HCO, the
Department of Communications.
Okay, so see, I used to be ahazard a.
Hubbard area secretary.
So I know these things and Iwould-.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
I was over HCO at one point in religious technology.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
And you didn't know L no.
Anyway, okay.
So if you basically inScientology the thinking is, if
you send a thousand letters out,you're going to get a
proportionate of letters back in.
If you send zero letters out,technically you should get zero
(14:55):
letters in.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Because the Hubbard principle outflow equals inflow.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yeah, okay, so you always have to be outflowing to
be able to then inflow, okay.
So, there's actually a quotefrom Alron Hubbard said he's
talking about outflow equalsinflow, and he goes in fact, if
somebody were to get shot andthey immediately outflowed a
bullet, they may not even beinjured.
Anyway, this is a real thing,right?
(15:26):
I'm not making that up.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
No, that's in the documentation on the cycle of
communication.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, anyway, it wasn't a
medical genius, we'll give himthat.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Yeah, I have seen people outflow bullets while
inflowing bullets and theythey're still injured.
Yeah, even if it's the samebullet kind of bullets yeah okay
, so that's a good setup for allof this nonsense okay oh my god
um, and even at golden eraproductions we we didn't have.
(15:59):
We had letters out like the.
The division one had their ownletters out but we had what were
called OGO letters, which wasthe org gold officer and staff
members and Sea Org members thatlived at the international base
that worked at GoldeneyeProductions.
We would write to Scientologystaff members that worked in
(16:19):
Scientology organizations.
We didn't write to generalpublic Scientology organizations
.
We didn't write to generalpublic.
We wrote to Sea Org members andand Scientology staff members
that worked in the variousorganizations and we would send
them.
It would be like hey, did youguys get your minimum stock of
the of the we stand tall musiccassettes, love Mark Ogo officer
(16:42):
, whatever it was Boston orwhatever org.
I had New Jersey or New Havenor something like that and and I
was required to to send like 20of those a week.
There's only like 25 people atthe organization.
So these guys are getting aletter from me essentially every
week.
That just says it's just gotsome dumb question.
I want to say, in all the yearsthat I worked at Golden Air
(17:05):
Productions and that I wrotethese letters, I don't remember
ever getting an answer from oneperson.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Maybe once or twice they'd say like they would just
write on the letter Thanks, weare, we have our stock.
And then they just put it rightback in the envelope.
And also, by the way, this isall sent in Scientology's
internal mail pack system, soeach organization will just put
a FedEx together and then sendthat to LA and then send that to
(17:33):
LA yeah.
And then LA sorts it and theysort all the mail from that
organization to all the otherorganizations, because of course
Scientology cannot use theUnited States postal system
because that could beinfiltrated.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Yeah, and that would be out security.
Their mail and would result ina condition of enemy.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Their mail would get intercepted, like they do to all
of their, their members.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Yeah, talk about that .
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I mean, we can intercept your mail, but hey, we
don't want our mail intercepted?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
No, absolutely not.
So put that anyway, that's areally good point right.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
It's kind of wild.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
It is wild that they don't want their mail to be
intercepted, but theyintercepted all of our mail and
yet for 30 years we never hadmail that had not been
intercepted.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
When we worked at the base.
when we got our mail it hadalready been opened and read
before we got it, and if we sentsomething out we had to leave
it unsealed so somebody couldread it and then seal it when
they were done right or theycould even take stuff out, like
if we sent pictures, or theycould take that stuff out and
(18:41):
sometimes not even send theletter, right, just shred it or
put it in your file, yeah, andbe like and put a note on it
saying we didn't send this.
There was an end, or heincluded some information that
we felt was not correct orsomething.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
That was secured.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
And they wouldn't even tell you.
Maybe if you did somethingreally wild like hey, come get
me, then they'd probably go andsay, hey, what's up with that?
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Of all the people there.
No staff member would try that.
I mean, you know, I don't knowabout that.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I heard, I've heard uh stories because, well,
because, yeah, because I workedwith people that were, some of
my friends, were in thedepartment three, so they tell
us stories and then we'd hearstuff and be like what anyway,
okay, that's a lot of setup.
Let's get to this.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Let's get to this fun stuff here.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You'll never guess what.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
What.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
My computer is working.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
Awesome.
Do we have the letter in thisthing?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yes, we do Okay, Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay, guys, somebody sent me this photo.
This is amazing.
Somebody sent me this photo.
I don't know where it came from.
I think it's on reddit or it'son twitter, it's somewhere x,
it's somewhere out there on theinterwebs.
Someone sent it to me and saidhey, I saw this.
Is this?
Does you?
(20:07):
Do you know who this is?
And um, okay, let's just startit.
We'll just put it up here.
This, this is my mother.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Her name is trudy hensley I don't get to be on the
screen anymore uh, I guess Ican put you in here too.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
There we go, we're both squeezing in there.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
All right, there we go this is trudy hensley.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Is there another good layout for this?
You did.
You whack up these layouts nolet me see if there's a yeah,
there's one right there.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
You want me to do it it?
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I don't know.
We'll do that one.
I like that one better.
Okay, trudy Hensley, this is mymother.
She was in the when I joinedthe Sea Org when I was 16, I
recruited my sister for the SeaOrg and then my sister worked
Actually, we both worked at AbleInternational in Los Angeles,
(20:56):
which is a Scientologyorganization responsible for
Narconon, criminon, appliedScholastics and the Way to
Happiness Foundation, and it isa Sea Org organization.
I recruited my sister.
My sister was actually incharge of letters out and
letters in and I was in chargeof recruitment.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
It's all going to make sense.
She was writing letters out andI was in charge of recruitment.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
It's all gonna make sense.
She was writing letters out andget letters in, but I wasn't
getting any people in.
She was actually the onlyperson I got in.
Yeah, okay, then several yearslater I don't know who recruited
her, if my sister recruited heror if my mom just joined.
I actually don't know the storyon that.
I just know that my mother thenalso joined the C organization
and my mother was supposed tobecome an operating Phaeton
(21:38):
course room supervisor, so shewould supervise people that were
getting the secret OT levelsone through eight.
She was at AOLA, so she wasdoing one through five or one
through six and then you can doseven at there.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
No six and seven are at FLAG.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Okay, so she would do up to five at AOLA.
So you find out all about Zinuand she was a course supervisor
there and then she had to go toFLAG.
I think she had to go to FLAGto Florida to be trained on how
to become an OT supervisor.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Right, which was during in 1996, for the golden
age of tech.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
Yes, okay.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
I'm not, I'm not trying, I'm not trying to make
this that long, but you need toknow the backstory to understand
the insanity of where we're,where we're going to get to here
.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Yes, for sure.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
So in the C organization she went through
her operating.
Thayton levels.
She did some before, but shedid some in the C org as well
and she trained to become an OTsupervisor in the C org, that's
right, yeah, okay.
When you do any kind ofcounseling or training in
Scientology, if you're in the Corganization, you do not pay for
that.
You sign a note saying, yeah,I'm a C org member, I'm good.
(23:01):
If I bail, you can bill me.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Right.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Okay, okay, so she did all that.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When she was training in Florida, she got into a
fight with an RTC staff member.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Yeah, she got into a number of fights actually, to be
fair.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Oh, I only knew about one.
She was hey the other one hebeat the shit out of me when I
was growing up, so I don't it'snot a surprise to me that she's
a violent, angry person, theother ones were with her husband
at the time, who?
Speaker 2 (23:33):
was also a member of the sea organization.
His name was burt.
Yes, and I remember becauseburt smith yes, there you go.
So she was trudy smith, yeah,and he came in to work one day.
I was training to become an rtcrep yeah, and he had all these
scratches and bruises and likewhat's going on with burt?
And he and somebody said, oh,trudy, beat him up.
I was like ohops.
(23:54):
My mother-in-law is getting amighty fine reputation around
here.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
She liked to throw fists.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
She liked to scrap.
Okay Okay, that was a littlebit of a side note I didn't know
all that much about, but eitherway, we didn't have a whole lot
of time for notes when we werein the organization.
Now she gets into these fightsin Florida and she ends up
getting into a fight with areligious technology
(24:24):
representative.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
And her name is Marina Pazotti.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah Was she has since passed away.
I think she had cancer or yeahwas Was.
She has since passed away.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
I think she had cancer or yeah.
Anyway, marina Pizzotti I likedMarina.
Marina was actually kind of awild gal she was.
She was a bit of fun, okay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
She could get her mean streak.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Oh yeah, no problem, she could switch to.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
She wasn't like the Jenny Linsons of the world, like
through and through pure evil.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
She wasn't diabolical , but if she needed to get nasty
she could switch on nasty realeasily and very effectively.
Yes, for sure I knew herbecause she was on a mission to
AOSHEU, which is the AdvancedOrganization of St Hill Europe,
in Denmark, copenhagen, onJambonagé, when we were
renovating it there across fromScala I don't know if Scala is
(25:15):
still there or Tivoli, but it'sright down there in Copenhagen
and she went there to do anethics mission.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
And when they were there doing the ethics mission,
people were escaping.
As soon as they showed up,people started just skedaddling
because they whatever.
Whenever you're in the Sea Organd an epics mission shows up,
that basically means everyone inthe entire place is going to
get interrogated and they'regoing to find out any and all
nonsense that's going on,because if you don't rat
(25:45):
yourself out, somebody else willrat you out.
Oh, the light went out again.
You know, I ordered a new oneof these signs but I had to hot
wire this one that the powersupply melted into a ball, and
then I I re, I rewired it withsomething else, but it's not
living up.
So anyway, nobody can even seethat.
There you go.
That light it's out, sorry,back to the story, okay, okay,
(26:10):
so she gets in a fight withMarina Pizzotti and Marina and
Marina Pizzotti assigns her tothe Rehabilitation Project Force
.
Yes, just like hey, you can'tfight an RTC staff member.
I'm the boss of everybody.
My boss is David Muscavage.
You're going to the RPF Right.
For anybody who's new watchingthe channel, the RPF is the
Rehabilitation Project Force andit's a Scientology labor camp
(26:34):
that Sea Org members do.
That can last anywhere from twoyears to 15 years and you do
hard labor all day and either inthe morning or at night.
You get interrogated abouteverything you've ever done in
your life and you getreprogrammed, so to speak.
If you make it through the RPF,you've had a good amount of
reprogramming or Scientologybrainwashing like forcefully
(26:57):
done to you every single day foryears at a time.
There's no days off.
You do it until you're done andit we literally know people who
have been on it over a decade.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, and your mom was on it for at least three or
four, maybe five years At leastMost.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
I would say half her Sea Org career was spent on the
RPF.
Yeah, at least, if not asignificant portion of it, many,
many years.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Which is actually funny.
I just think of that.
I just thought of this.
You know who else went to theRPF for a long time?
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Your mom.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Yep, your mom and my sister.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Yeah, exactly.
And those are all the guys thatare doing hate videos on us.
They all went to the RPF.
Yes, screw them, okay.
So my mom gets into a fight.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
Well, I think it's also relevant for what we're
talking about here, sure it iswe're going to show, because the
whole purpose of theRehabilitation Project Force is
to reprogram your soul into arobot that will do exactly what
it's supposed to yeah, stopgetting up to nonsense and do
what we tell you to do Right,exactly.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
Okay, so my mom, trudy Hensley, she's now Trudy
Smith.
She was Trudy Morgan, then shebecame Trudy Hedley, then she
became Trudy Kingsbury, then shebecame Trudy Smith, then she
became Trudy, something or other, some it was like a foreign guy
, right?
I can't remember his name.
Even I don't remember that oneyeah there was a foreign guy for
(28:22):
it, like Pablo or Dominguez, orI don't know.
Anyway, then she became TrudyHensley, and that's what she is
today.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
As of recently, within the last few weeks.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Yeah, okay, as of 2025, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
So when she was Trudy , she might have been Trudy
Smith or she might have been thenext Trudy when this happened.
Yes, when she went to the RPF.
Yeah, okay, she goes to the RPF.
And what they basically claimedis and we are going to get a
little teeny bit into the weedshere but if you go on an e-meter
and you're getting aninterrogation on the e-meter and
(29:00):
the e-meter does what's calleda rock slam, the needle of the
e-meter shakes and rattleserratically all over the dial.
That's called a rock slam.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
now, if that happens, it's like slashing back and
forth with absolutely no controlviolent slashing yes, the
needle yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
If the needle rock slams when somebody is getting
interrogated, there's only twopossibilities.
Yep, two, the meter is faultyyep or that person is super evil
right and it's called a rockslam, it's called a evil purpose
(29:41):
.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
They have an evil purpose and they and it's called
a list one list one rockslammer yeah, which means one is
um, it, uh, it's a, an actuallist, but it means that the
person has evil intentionstowards Scientology L Ron
Hubbard, david Miscavige, likevery specific core subjects, not
(30:04):
just like, oh, they have evilintentions towards turtles.
It's not like that is list.
One is they have a rock slam onspecific subjects directly
related to Scientology, whichmeans that they uh, yeah, and so
much so.
By the way, when you talk aboutthe two reasons that if the
(30:25):
e-meter, the lie detector inScientology, begins to have this
needle phenomena, the veryfirst thing the person operating
the e-meter must do isimmediately do this whole check
to see if it's the meter that'smalfunctioning.
They have to write that down inthe worksheets that they did
that, and if that test does notshow any fault, then it's
(30:51):
validated as an actual list.
One rock slam.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, this is a huge deal in Scientology and there
was a period I want to say itwas in the 1970s or the 80s
where people were just beingdeclared suppressives and saying
they're rock slammers all overthe place, and it turned out
this all comes back to me reallyit turns out that the E-meters
that were made at Golden EraProductions were, in fact,
(31:18):
faulty and that's why all thesepeople were getting these needle
reactions, because childrenwere soldering these things and
they had bad solder joints andbad solder connections.
To be fair, this was before Iworked at Golden Era Productions
, but during the time that I didwork there, there were children
still soldering the E-meters.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I had to solder E-meter parts as part of all
hands.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Does not know how to solder.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Right, does not know how to solder at all.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Okay, anyway.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Well, thanks for that .
Speaker 1 (31:49):
So it's such a big deal.
Cold solder joint queen overhere, okay, does not thanks for
that.
So it's such a big deal.
Cold solder joint queen overhere, okay, does not let it flow
.
The solder needs to flow andthen you know, you're good.
That's the key, the solder,okay.
So she gets in a fight withMarina.
She gets an interview, themeter rock slams.
They don't check the meter,they don't do none of that, they
(32:10):
just say, of course you're evil.
Marina said you were evil.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Now the meter saying you fought with Marina.
Yeah, you're just see, Iwouldn't want to be yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
See you next Tuesday.
Okay, so now she gets assignedto the RPF.
Yep, now, every single day shewrites a report and says I
shouldn't be on the RPF, thischick is.
She started it.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
I didn't get a committee of evidence.
This is an injustice.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
She tries to use all the Scientology policies.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
My statistics were up .
I was doing great things.
My students were raving aboutme.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
She sends a report every single day that she's on
the RPF, yeah, okay, and I haveto tell you all this because
when you see what she's doingnow, you will not believe it.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
It won't make any sense.
Aside from hate videos yeah,she also has done hate videos on
us, so whatever.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Maybe she, maybe they were right, I don't know.
Anyway, whatever on us, sowhatever Maybe she.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
maybe they were right I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Anyway, whatever, oh gosh, okay, she writes a report
every day.
Whatever she's going, she's,that's it she.
And when you write a report inScientology, if something
horrible has happened andthere's been an injustice and L
Ron Hubbard's policies have beenviolated, you're supposed to
send a report to the reportsofficer.
Rtc.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
And then you can send them to your local organization
and you can copy people.
It's a lot of work to write areport in Scientology because
you might need to make 60 copiesof the thing to send it to all
the different people that haveto get a copy of this thing.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
And also none of the people are required to do
anything with it.
They can just put it toshredding and no one will know
anything about it.
I mean, there's policies thatyou're supposed to do stuff, but
they can easily not, but not ifit's written on somebody who's
upstate.
Well, either way, ethicsprotected, that's true, Okay, so
she writes these reports.
Years go by, she's stillwriting these reports every day.
(34:02):
She's still on the RPF and Ithink eventually she became part
of the.
They have a mill, a wood mill,a furniture mill in Clearwater
that makes all the furniture fortheir hotels and their
buildings and they make alltheir own furniture with CNC
machines and planers and edgersand all the stuff you need to
make furniture and that's whereshe works.
(34:25):
Actually, for my birthday oneyear she sent me a bunch of wood
scraps that she called a demokit and it was in an old ice
cream package.
Like you know, if you buy likea half a gallon of ice cream
it's a plastic tub.
It was in one of those, all thepieces and it was like happy
birthday, that was my birthday.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
You know what they say?
It's a thought.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
It's a good one, babe .
Okay.
So now it's like three, fouryears later, David Miscavige is
having this meeting with us andhe had just been in Florida the
day before.
And in this meeting he'stelling the story and he, he
basically we're kind of waitingfor some people to arrive Like
(35:06):
he called somebody like hey, goget this person.
And while we're waiting for himto get that person to the
meeting, he just likes to vamp.
This is his thing, he, he, hewill, he will find a reason to
stop the meeting, that we allhave to wait and we can't
continue what we were talkingabout.
And during that time he vampsand he starts, he starts off
(35:29):
this meeting.
I remember this like it wasyesterday.
He basically says you guys arenever going to believe I met the
dumbest bitch in all of the SeaOrg.
That's exactly what he said.
Those were the exact words.
He goes it's this blondedingbat that's in the mill in at
flag and she's on the rpf forsome stupid thing and there's no
(35:53):
way she should even be on therpf, but she's so stupid that
they let her be on the rpf.
Yeah, that I just was likewhatever, leave her there.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
She's not going to be any good anywhere else yeah,
she's literally and again toreiterate, these are you're
quoting David Miscavige on whathe was saying, word for word.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
And also this was going on for like 15 minutes.
Whoever this person was, theywere not nearby.
They had to round them up fromthe building across the property
and also the property's 548acres.
So if you're on the other side,it could take 15 minutes to get
to wherever you got to get to.
Okay, so we're having thismeeting.
He's talking about this chickand he's like she's so stupid
(36:35):
and she's blonde.
To top it all off, she's alsoblonde and every question I
answer is just like she isliterally a robot.
She's the stupidest person, andI'm like thinking to myself hmm
, I knew a little bit enoughabout her story that she got in
a fight and she went to the RPF,which is kind of a wild thing.
I don't know anyone else in theentirety of the Sea Org who
(36:59):
went to the RPF for just gettingin a fight.
People get in fights all thetime, like there's a fight every
day at the gold base.
It's not uncommon.
People get in fights all thetime, true, like there's a fight
every day at the gold base.
Yeah, it's not uncommon forpeople to dust it up over dumb
things and nothing to happen.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Right, yeah, I mean David.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Miscavige, is going around beating everybody.
So it's not like, and he, he,he leads by example.
So when somebody doesn't getsomething done and he gives them
a beat down, then that person,when they're yelling at their
people, they give their people abeat down, and so on and so on.
It's like that Clairolcommercial, anyway, okay, okay.
So the meeting ends andeverybody leaves and I pulled
(37:38):
two of the people that were inFlorida aside it's actually
Angie Blankenship and JennyLinson.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
I pulled them aside and I say hey, and they look
like oh yeah, they know.
Like as soon as I walk up tothem, they're like shit, we're
fucked.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
They know what's coming.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Anyway I go, hey, he's talking about my mom, right
, and they're like your mom'sTrudy Hensley, right.
And I said or Trudy Smith orwhatever the frick her name was
then and I go, yeah, it wasTrudy.
I want to say it was TrudySmith.
Yeah, I want to say it wasTrudy Smith.
(38:16):
At that time she hadn't changedher name or whatever it was.
They knew that we had someconnection.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
And they said, yeah, it was her.
And I said you know, she writesa report every single day.
They go yeah, we know.
And then this is like butthere's no way we can do
anything because she is the onewho had the conversation with
him, so we can't get involved.
It's just we.
We're not going to stick up forher because she couldn't stick
up for herself.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, like they could never say, oh well, sir,
actually she like.
When he says, oh, she's sostupid she shouldn't even be on
the rpf, yeah, the logical thingyou'd say is, well, sir,
actually she's been doing, youknow, writing reports on this
whole.
Thing every single day for thelast three years.
But if they say that, then theyare going to become the target
(38:59):
of miscavige's wrath that'sright and he's going to tell
them their worker oriented andblah, blah, blah, yeah, in this
c?
Speaker 1 (39:05):
org.
You don't fall Sea Org.
You don't fall on your a sword.
You don't fall on someoneelse's sword.
No, that's not a thing.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
No, it's not.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
If you, if you, if you dug yourself into a hole,
that's your hole, you, you getit.
I'm not.
I'm not jumping in there withyou, right, for no reason.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Okay, here's the clincher.
She's been writing thesereports to RTC every single day.
Well, after she got in a fightwith this gal, the RTC Marina,
she got taken away from flagbecause she was a little bit of
a firecracker herself, yep.
So when that happened, it waslike hey, maybe let's move
(39:44):
Marina back to rtc.
She's been out there a whileand she's dusted it up with
people, let's just bring herback to rtc yeah she becomes the
rtc reports off.
So my mom is sending a report tothe person that assigned her to
the rpf and that person doesn'tgive two shits about her and I
(40:05):
don't even think marina evenknew she was related to me no,
because she has a different lastname.
If you knew you knew, but othergenerally familial relations
were never discussed no, andalso the organization.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
It would be a mystery yeah, we rarely even knew like
which seer members had kids, forexample, or you know yeah,
exactly, we work with somebodyfor 20 years and then we get out
, we go.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
That was my mom.
I was like oh, I didn't even.
Speaker 2 (40:30):
He never even mentioned that he had a kid.
Yeah, like I had.
Yeah, anyway, that's the point.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Or she, or whichever.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Okay, so she stays on the RPF, that's it.
That RPF, that's it.
That's where the story ends,okay, when I escaped, when
Claire and I escaped in 2005, mysister worked at the
international headquarters.
She'd also had a long stint onthe RPF too, and Biddy Miscavige
is the one that signed her tothe RPF.
(40:57):
Okay, so when we leave in 2005,january 2005, my sister is in
the Sea Org at the InternationalBase.
She's the Director ofCommunications at Golden Air
Productions, again in charge ofLetters Out and Letters In.
Okay, and she my mother wasstill on the RPF in Florida, at
(41:23):
Clearwater, at what they callthe Flag Land Base.
Right in Florida, at Clearwater,at their what they call the
flag land base.
Right, and they got kicked outof the Sea Org because now they
were connected to us, right, andthey don't.
They don't serve any benefit tothe Sea Organization on their
own, but because they'reconnected to us they cannot be
(41:43):
in the Sea Organization.
They are a liability at thispoint, right, because we're
causing trouble and we'retelling all the stories about
David Miscavige, so my motherand sister both get basically
kicked out of the Sea Org.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah.
I have to think too, though,that a huge part of the threat
was that, should they decide tojoin us, then the stories they
would tell us and everythingelse would exponentially just
have ripple effects?
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Well, yeah, because they left many years after we
did and they also.
They were in Florida for longand they were, and my mother had
this conversation with DavidMiscavige, and so they are their
own liabilities now thatthey're connected to us, yeah,
which circles back to the reasonfor the hate sites.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
We've always presumed that we were the primary
audience for the hate sites thatthey do.
But I was thinking through itgoing.
Well, why does some people havehate sites and some people
don't?
And certainly one commondenominator of everyone who has
a hate website is they havefamily members still in
Scientology.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Yeah, they need to be made an example of and they
need to use those family membersagainst them, because we don't
want the family members to turnyes and then they also get.
They add to the fold.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, I just think it's very important to
understand the dynamics at play.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
Okay, that's a lot of setup.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
I think we're good, we're ready to go Okay, so
that's her.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
That's Trudy Hensley, mark's mother.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (43:12):
That is my sister, Stephanie Hedley.
Her new last name is Latine or.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Latine?
I don't know, I don't know howto spell it.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I don't know how to say it.
That's my sister, stephanie.
This is also a screenshot fromher hate video.
And also, this is even betternow If you're in the Sea Org and
you go to the RPF, you're ashitty Sea Org member.
Have you ever been to the RPF?
Have I ever been to the RPF?
Speaker 2 (43:39):
We both came very close, but no, the answer is no.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Years, these two Years.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, in fact, when we were talking about this
before this episode, I wastelling you how I had decided my
.
So my mother was sent to therehabilitation project force
when I was seven years old, andat that time I was going to show
a picture of her.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Oh yeah, Is she in here too?
There she is there that's mymother.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
When I was seven years old, she was sent to the
rehabilitation project force.
My resolution at that time isif anyone ever tries to send me
to the rehabilitation projectforce, I don't care what happens
, I'm out.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Yeah, also, let's go back to these guys.
Okay, trevon put this upExactly, 100%.
He says Scientology.
They should thank you for beingkicked out of the Sea Org.
Yes, yes, that's what I was.
I'm like you're welcome, I leftand then you got a red carpet
(44:35):
right out of there.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Right, that's how I feel about the people who got to
leave and have kids.
You're welcome.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
Yeah, you're welcome.
Okay, so this is the photo wegot sent, though it is a letter.
Speaker 2 (44:45):
Okay, so this is the photo we got sent, though it is
a letter, okay, oh, by the way,trevon also said I was in the
hole, though, and that is true.
I was in the hole for threemonths.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Everybody was in the hole in all of international
management.
It wasn't selective.
There weren't two people in thehole, there was 200.
Right, okay, this is from theChurch of Scientology of
Cincinnati.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You got to put it on both of us.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Oh, okay, whatever?
You're reading it here.
I'm going to make it real big,because this is a doozy.
Okay, church of Scientology ofCincinnati.
Don't get boggled down by logicat any point of this.
The Church of Scientology ofCincinnati is located in
Florence, kentucky.
Now, okay, let's just say okay,I'm pretty sure, cincinnati,
(45:39):
the city of Cincinnati islocated in Ohio.
I understand that Florence,Kentucky is a suburb of Ohio.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
It would be like having having an organization, a
Scientology organization, inGreenwood Village, Colorado, and
calling it the Denver.
That's what it's like.
Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, don't get boggled down by logic.
Don't try to make sense ofanything in Scientology.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, we do recommend .
Do not try to insert logicAnyway this is from this year,
folks.
Speaker 1 (46:06):
It says dear bloody blah, good day to you.
Very well done on purchasing abook in 1999, exclamation,
exclamation, exclamation.
Your next step is the Dianeticsseminar.
Come in today at 283 MainStreet, florence, kentucky,
(46:29):
41042.
For all the details, bestregards Trudy.
Trudy Hensley.
Letter writer.
Okay, now, guys, let's pickthis thing apart for a second
here, okay, we have a new levelof nonsense going on here.
(46:54):
Folks, I can't make the rightthere we go.
Good day to you.
That's okay it is.
She does write to the persondear, let's just call him jack,
dear, jack, yep, hey, well done,I'm buying that book back in
1999 now.
First of all, well done, that'sa 100.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
That's a scientology lingo okay, I have an important
question for you yes, let.
Let me ask you, Mark.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah, seriously yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
What book did you buy 26 years ago?
Speaker 1 (47:24):
You know, I don't think I've ever bought a book
unless it was a required thingfor, like when you do the
Hubbard Qualified Scientologistcourse.
That's one of the very firstcourses you do in Scientology.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (47:36):
And when I was I think I did it when I was like
11 or 12.
And I was made to buy aDianetics book.
I had to literally get money.
I had to make the money.
I had to take out garbage in myapartment building and save up
like $8.
And then they made me buy thebook.
And I never read the damn thing, but I had to buy it and I even
(47:57):
tried to buy an old copybecause those were cheaper.
And I think they still got mefor eight bucks.
Yeah, yeah, um, so I think that.
Oh, and you know, when we werein the seo, I had to buy an
ethics book.
Yeah, I had to buy a volumezero and they made us buy all
that.
You know what?
I just realized that theydidn't give us those.
We had to buy our own materials.
We did in the, in the, in thefreeloader thing.
(48:18):
They don't.
You could do the course forfree, but you have to buy the
material.
Yeah, what a hunk of shit.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Okay, Anyway.
So this person bought a book in1991, 1999.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
26 years ago.
Speaker 1 (48:33):
He's writing him 26 years later to let him know hey,
you know what the next thingyou're supposed to do is?
You're supposed to do theDianetics seminar.
So he probably bought theDianetics book.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, and, and to insert a more serious note, this
letter is coming from Mark'smother who has never met our
three kids, never met hergrandchildren.
Speaker 1 (48:52):
Well, no, she met him at a funeral.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
Oh, yeah, she did one time.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
But she, I mean that's it but like.
They don't know who she is andshe doesn't know who they are.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I forgot about that, but she and she didn't anyway.
Yeah, but still like.
How many letters has she everwritten to her grandchildren?
Speaker 1 (49:08):
None.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
None, that was my point.
Speaker 1 (49:09):
But she wrote a letter to good old Jack here and
then she says your next step isto seminar.
Come in today.
Today she gives the address,which the address is in the
letter, it's in the on theletterhead.
Yep, she's kind of like okay,like you didn't have to do that
weak repetition you just say youcould come in today at the
address up above.
Speaker 2 (49:30):
Let's I mean come on but then it wouldn't have been a
full-page letter also.
Speaker 1 (49:34):
And then it just says for all all the details, period
.
Speaker 2 (49:37):
Which is not even a grammatically correct English
sentence.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
It should be come in today for all the details and
then don't even put the address.
Just come in today for all thedetails.
Speaker 2 (49:47):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:48):
Come on, what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (49:50):
Obviously somebody has to use X.
In the early days, when youcould only get, you only had
like so many characters, you hadlike 44 characters or whatever
it was.
It's like no use ampersands.
Let's take out some of thesewords.
We're getting a littlefrou-frou here.
Let's turn this thing down oh myokay and then it says best
regards trudy trudy hensleyletter.
(50:10):
Writer.
Now these titles, they'rereally good.
We read these, this letter thatthey sent all of the companies
that I've done work for, and itwas like they had in there like
freedom rights activist.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
Yeah, and you know what?
Speaker 1 (50:25):
Mom, but I did want to say Freedom fighter.
You know, just yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:30):
Insanity.
Speaker 1 (50:31):
They just have they.
Literally they attachsignificances to everything.
She could just write TrudyHeadley, cincinnati, org, or you
know whatever, or volunteereven yeah but also by the way,
also by the way, this is I gottasay this the letter writer is
the lowest life form in the corganization well, there's no
(50:55):
what else?
What else like janitor and, uh,even the janitors is like when
something's broken, it's like,hey, no, Phil's not writing any
letters.
You got to unclog these toilets, Okay.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
Fair enough, fair enough A letter writer is the.
Speaker 1 (51:09):
It's basically like when, when there's shit to get
done, yeah, ain't letter writinggetting done, no, Letter
writing is the least priority ofeverything, yeah, we gots to
get stuff done.
Maybe at Golden Air Productions.
Yes, I don't know how it was inthese organizations, but even
when I worked at Los Angeles Day, when I was like 11 or 12, when
(51:29):
I was doing that course, Iworked and I did the bulk mail.
We stuffed letters and we wroteletters and stuff like that.
Yeah, and I was 11 and I waswriting letters Okay, 11.
Speaker 2 (51:40):
Yes, this was 1984.
We have nine minutes TinaTurner.
What's?
Speaker 1 (51:45):
love got to do with.
It was playing on the radio.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
But here's what I wanted to say yes, Because,
because to us this was this waslike totally normal.
Yeah, that's how you signletters.
But the person that sent thisto you made the really good
comment Like what kind ofmarketing is that like make the
person feel really important?
Speaker 1 (52:05):
why don't you lonely letter writer also we should
just note for the record thisperson passed away many years
ago right before also scient.
Before you start trying totrack shit down, the person you
wrote this to has passed away.
Somebody who knows them gave itto their friend, who gave it to
(52:25):
their friend, who put it on theInternet.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
And we have no idea who that is.
Speaker 1 (52:29):
Don't mess with any of these people, okay.
Your letter writer done, messedup.
Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (52:36):
And your mom is writing this letter not from a
position of a staff member ofthe organization, but as a
civilian Scientologist.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
She's volunteering because she's not allowed to do
anything until she pays off herfreeloader debt.
So all that money she racked updoing OT, supervisor courses
and all that they gave her abill.
And then, after she pays thatbill, if she wants to do
Scientology again, she has tostart over and go from the
(53:06):
bottom.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
She's already been paying tens of thousands of
dollars over the last few yearsto redo all of her training.
It's absolute insanity.
Speaker 1 (53:16):
We know this because she speaks to all of her family
that are not in Scientology andmost of the time when she's
ringing them up, it's to getsome do-re-mi out of them so she
can go back and learn aboutXenu and the body Thetans again.
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah, and every time we hear that we say oh, just
tell her to give us a call, ortell her to pound sand.
Speaker 1 (53:36):
Please don give her any money right for space cootie
training come on exactly canyou imagine no one of her family
members giving her like tenthousand dollars so she can
relearn about space cooties.
No, what a giant waste of funds.
Okay, now we have some other.
This again this is jen.
This is claire's mom, um, andshe.
(53:57):
She also lives in Clearwater.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
She does.
Speaker 1 (54:00):
My mother lives in.
Last time somebody told me shelives next to a strip bar in
Kentucky, somewhere like in alittle motel unit that's not in
the best part of town.
My sister lives in Clearwaterand works for American Power and
Gas.
I think his name is Tom Cummins, some big, richy, rich
(54:21):
Scientologist, and then yourmother and father also live in
Clearwater now or in.
Speaker 2 (54:26):
Florida, in the Florida area, yeah, clearwater.
Speaker 1 (54:29):
This is Hugh Claire's stepfather.
And he was also did a hatevideo and he was also named as a
Scientology witness when Clairebecame a Scientology expert.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, he was named to counter my expert witness
testimony on Scientology, whichis just a big laughing joke.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah.
Also this photo is, so somebodyhad to go for us and get all
these images from theScientology hate sites.
And Scientology watches ourchannel because Claire hasn't
worn these glasses until werecently did a video on our
channel and so they're watching.
And also, I don't know, I'm nota Photoshop expert.
(55:10):
I mean, I can get around in it.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
It's literally comical.
Speaker 1 (55:14):
But I don't know what's going on with the Sea Org
Photoshop team.
Speaker 2 (55:19):
We just wanted to share this.
You know whatever.
Okay, do whatever you're goingto do to my face it's kind of
sad that Scientology'stax-exempt dollars are being
used to cut my face in half.
Speaker 1 (55:31):
Hey, you know what At least?
Speaker 2 (55:33):
well, actually, you don't even look like you have
any teeth and apparentlyMiscavige, doesn't like my
glasses.
There you go.
They photoshopped out my teethin my shot, I know, and that's
the other thing.
I was like wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (55:45):
Like not all of them, just individual ones, Right.
Speaker 2 (55:48):
Like the photo they have of Mark on the website that
they sent to us is from like 20years ago.
Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, but my photo.
Speaker 2 (55:58):
They sliced my face in half and it's from like May
of this year.
Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, so anyway, go to the next slide.
Speaker 2 (56:04):
So we said welcome our latest OSIS subscribers
watching the channel.
Speaker 1 (56:08):
I don't know if the subscribers, but they're
definitely getting views.
Speaker 2 (56:11):
Yeah, we're getting views anyway.
Oh my.
Speaker 1 (56:15):
God Okay, guys.
Speaker 2 (56:17):
All right.
Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
So you're going to do a giveaway and I'm going to
bounce and be ready for to startin four minutes.
Speaker 1 (56:23):
Oh, is that how it is ?
Yeah, bye everybody We'll seeyou uh.
Speaker 2 (56:27):
See you shortly.
Speaker 1 (56:29):
Yeah, we're going to go to um this video after I do
the giveaway.
This video will automaticallyfeed into the um, the aftermath
foundation feed.
What is it number three or four?
Number three, um, okay, let'sdo the uh, let's do this.
Where's the uh giveawaygiveaway screen?
Wow, we got a hundred entriesso far.
(56:51):
If you want to uh comment, uh,you'll be entered into the
giveaway.
Otherwise, uh, I'm just gonnado it right now.
I'm going to go, we'll do thisand then I'll answer some
questions until the last fewseconds before it feeds into the
other video.
And congratulations to Becky,big Brother Fan.
(57:12):
I think Becky's won before.
I don't know, but I think shehas.
Congratulations big.
Becky, big Brother fan.
You know what to do?
Email, claire, she'll hook youup.
Let's do some questions here.
Harvey Denton.
I like that, harvey Denton.
(57:33):
I wonder if doing hate videoswas the price of getting off the
RPF.
You know, I think the hatevideos might be of a.
You need to.
If they want to get out oflower conditions or they want to
get onto their OT levels, theyneed to prove that they're loyal
and that they're not talkingwith us and they're not friends
(57:53):
with us, and that's pretty muchproves if you're you're loyal,
you're gonna do a hate video.
So if you know somebody thatwas in scientology and they have
um a um a hate video on them byone of their family members,
then that family member is mostlikely very, very loyal to
(58:14):
scientology.
Um, burb life says has theblown?
Has the light blown for good?
I think the light did you knowhere.
Let me see if I go back to it.
You know, it's like the powersupply I have is a little
different than the one that camewith it, so I think it just
overheats.
But, um, anyway, when I went togo get a new one, they said
(58:36):
they don't use that power supplyanymore.
I was like, well, yeah, goodthing, mine tried to burn my
house down.
Okay, what else do?
We got here.
How many more minutes do wehave?
We have like another minute ortwo.
Do estates orgs have BMO andletters out?
You know, I've never worked inan estates org.
I would assume they do, becausethey have to write letters to
(59:00):
the organizations like hey, youknow your people aren't doing
their cleaning stations andwe've had to vacuum more than
once a year.
Make sure your people do that.
Japan of Green Gables question.
Hi, headways, I'm guessing thereason Scientology officials
always sign letters with muchlove was in policy.
Was that Hubbard's rationalefor always closing with this
Seems very 2D.
Yeah, yeah, you know, I don'tknow where much love comes from.
It might be an, uh, l ronhubbard thing and it might just
(59:22):
be a c-org thing um, becauseeverybody in the c-org does that
.
Um, okay, uh, oh, we gotanother one here.
Uh, do estates orgs have bmoand letters in?
Yeah, we did that one.
This is the one.
Our so crew actually gettingany grade chart action?
Uh, how much.
What does the staff sectionofficer really do?
It's very, very rare thatpeople do Scientology counseling
(59:46):
in the C organization.
Okay, I'm going to end this andwe're going to go to the other
video.
Thanks guys, we'll see you nexttime.
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