Where Your Scientology Dollars Really Go: Inside David Miscavige's Empire - Scientology Secrets #2 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome back to the channel.
Welcome to another episode ofScientology Secrets.
I'm joined today by my lovelywife, Claire.
Hey, hey.
And we are going to keep goingwith our Scientology Secrets
series, since it's such a bighit.
If you're just joining in, letus know in the comments down

(00:36):
below where you're coming from.
And today's secret giveawayword is Xenu.
Okay, we've done that one inthe past, but I wanted to do
Xenu because I saw a comment itwas actually on our podcast
where somebody said that theywere afraid that our channel was

(01:00):
like some sort of miningoperation for ex-Scientologists
that might be thinking ofgetting out.
And I just wanted to leteverybody know.
If you say the word Xenu orbody, Thetan or anything else,
you cannot be a legitimateScientology organization or
group or channel or operation.

(01:21):
Xenu is a highly confidentialterm.
That's the big bad alien guy.
We covered that on Secretsepisode one.
But Xenu is a bad alien guy,big bad alien, and you can't
talk about him in Scientology.
It is strictly forbidden, Right, Claire?

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Yep Suppressive act For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah, so the secret word Xenu.
So we're good, we're legitbecause we can say xenu, um, you
will not.
I don't think under anycircumstance can a scientology
talk about xenu, right no underany like, not even no, not even
between two ots.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
Yeah, there's not allowed to talk about no xenu's
discussion period.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Nope, if you don't read about Xenu on the page
where L Ron Hubbard wrote aboutXenu, then that's the only place
you can really even see theword Xenu in Scientology is in
an OT materials.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yes, or a lecture, or a Hubbard lecture where he
talks about Xenu Right and trueto Scientology form.
Before you're even ever allowedto read about Xenu, you sign
multiple documents saying youwill never say anything, and I
think mentioning the name Xenucarries, I don't know, $50,000

(02:42):
penalty or something.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
It's enough that they don't say the word yeah.
How much ever it is.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
After however many thousands of dollars or tens of
thousands, hundreds of thousands, you already spent to read the
word, You're not going to.
By that point, the ship sailed.
You're going to keep your mouthshut.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Yeah, okay.
So while we're getting ready,I'll just put up some of the
folks.
We've got a whole bunch ofpeople in here already that have
let us know where they've,where they're watching from.

Speaker 3 (03:11):
Yep, pacono Pluck.
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Thank you for joining us.
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There we go.
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call me Betsy.
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And another one from theNetherlands, awesome.
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Hey from Texas.

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To all you, lovely SPs, hi KB,thanks for joining us.
Hi from Indiana, lovely SPs.
Hi KB.
Thanks for joining us.
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We got a good mix here.
Greetings from MontanaNecessary trouble.
One of my all-time favoriteYouTube names Trevenon.
Good evening from theNetherlands.
Nice, awesome, this is a goodone.

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I just thought I'd put it up.
Trevon on Wait.
Scientology has secrets, right?
Who knew it's?
Casey.
There we go.
Can't have a live withouttalking about Casey.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
I do want to say that the last time you read a
comment from Cassie, you saidCasey not me.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Well, I know you said Casey, see, that's you rubbing
off on me.
You said Casey, not me.
Well, I know that, casey,that's you rubbing off on me.
Unfortunately, I'm just kidding.
Oh, hello from Harrisburg,Pennsylvania, Lily Catherine
Olson in the house.
Hello from the WillametteValley.
Oh my gosh, it's just neverending.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
We had a somebody.
I've got to say this too.
This is the funniest.
We should have clipped it.
There was a person who wrote inand they said they just wrote.
I don't remember what thecomment was, but their name was
Hamit Agian.
That's what Claire said, hamitAgian.
And I said it says ham it upagain.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
And anyway it was in my defense, I was not wearing my
glasses.
I've made very clear that I'mon the struggle bus with my
glasses.
So there you have it.
So sorry, but yeah amy scobeycalled me and she was like oh my
gosh, it was like Saskatchewanall over again, because we all

(05:45):
remember that drama.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Okay, here's another few last ones here.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Harvey, hello from Birmingham, england, home of the
worst Scientology org in theworld.
There you go.
Yeah, manchester org is wheremy parents were when I was born,
which is not far from there.
Madison, from DC, any secretsabout DC org would be great.
Love you guys, keep up thefight.
We are behind you.
Amazing.
Thank you, madison.

(06:10):
Appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, I didn't realize that if we get into
individual organization secretswe would be here forever.
We're mainly just going tocover the overall Scientology
secrets.

Speaker 3 (06:23):
Yeah, we don't need to be here forever, just until
the day Scientology stopsabusing and hurting people, then
we'll be done, then we, weshall retire.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, oh wait, mark New Delphi is now in Lakeview
Terrace.
Okay, I think that's the sameone that's been there for a
while, the one that used to bein La Cunada, in Flint Ridge La
Cunada, flint Ridge but now Ithink the Lakeview Terrace one's
been there for a while.
Thank you for that, trisha.

(06:53):
Okay, so we everybody knowswhat the secret word is.
Put that in the comments, zinu,you'll be entered in to win.
We're going to do a giveaway atthe end of the episode.
So some of the secrets thatwe've already covered are that
RTC, religious Technology Center.
They run everything, and when Isay they, that's David

(07:17):
Miscavige.
David Miscavige runs all ofScientology in toto.
He does.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
There's nothing in Scientology that he is not in
control of yes, and in fact lastweek we were talking about how
the matters of RTC religioustechnology center concern have
been removed from their website.
And what we didn't talk aboutin that conversation is the fact
that in every organization onearth there's literally a report

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box with those matters of RTCconcern posted so that anyone
can send a report directly toDavid Miscavige, which further
documents that David Miscavigecontrols everything.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And don't they give a bounty?
If you give something thatresults in some kind of action
or prosecution, or a $10,000?
It's a $10,000 reward.
It says it right on the mattersof RTC, yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
We'll have to pull that up.
I don't remember the amount,but I think also for reporting
squirrels, people alteringScientology technology.
There was a whole campaignabout that in the 80s that had a
bounty with it.
I believe We'll have to asksome people to do some deep
diving on the interweb to findthat.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Exactly so.
Rtc runs everything.
The big secret in Scientologyis the space aliens.
I will say that that is the onething they don't want anybody
to know, and that's why theyhave all the operating thetan
levels that you do inScientology, whether you're
studying lectures or writtenwords by L Ron Hubbard or you're

(08:56):
doing the auditing where youlocate and eradicate the body
thetans that are infested AllScientologists have all these
body thetans.
Well, according to Scientology,we all do.
And so those are the two bigsecrets Xenu and the body
thetans, which I still think isan amazing band name.

(09:18):
If some band out there takesthat, I wouldn't be sad at all.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Xenu and the body thetans is a good name, yeah,
and I still think, by the way,that one of the all-time best
videos was Jason Begay talkingabout the levels and all that.
It's now a classic talkexposing Scientology's tactics
of how they lure people in andkeep them in.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Yeah, there's two Jason videos that Mark Bunker
did Um and I'm going to put alink in the description to those
um that are really good.
One is just Jason Begay talkingfor like an hour.
I want to say maybe more, maybeless.
And then there's another onethat's just a little clip from
one of those interviews, whichis really hilarious, which I'll

(10:07):
put a link to Um and um and um.
Yeah, what else is there?
We covered that.
Oh, the thing that we wanted toum cover today was scientology.
Where the money goes inscientology is that you I hear
it claire's laptop's about totake off and go to Tampa.
Hopefully it doesn't go to TampaAnyway just getting on approach

(10:30):
, just getting it lined up onthe runway Cleared for takeoff.
It's done now.
It just wanted to just do thatfor a second.
That was fun.
Anyway, the thing we wanted tocover today was where the money
goes in Scientology, becausewhen you give your money to
Scientology in any place in theworld, it has an exact like.

(10:52):
There's exact percentages atevery step of the way that are
taken out so that none of themoney is left anywhere.
There's no leftover money.
Every cent is accounted for andI would say if there was $100
that came in the organizationthat you're giving that to, they

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maybe get about $50 of that,maybe, depending on what's going
on, and then most of it goesall the way up to RTC, church of
Scientology International, andauthor services, because they're
taking a royalty fee on L RonHubbard's works and basically it

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goes to all these differentplaces.
So there's no real way for in aScientology organization
there's not really any way forsomebody to steal that money or
get that money, because there'sjust not really that much money
laying around.
Right, they're depositing.
I want to even say that maybenow they don't even have a lot

(12:01):
of cash.
It's mainly credit cards orchecks.
But the other thing is that inScientology the Sea Org members
and the staff members make very,very, very little money, in
some cases for a long time, theSea Org members were only making

(12:22):
$40, $40, $46 a week if theywere being paid.
But a lot of those Sea Orgmembers weren't getting paid.
Staff members, on the otherhand, they were sometimes
getting paid more per week, butthen they have to pay for their
own apartment and their own foodand their own transport.
They have to pay for all theirexpenses.
So even if they're getting $200a week, they have a whole world

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of expenses, yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
And we've heard stories from staff members.
So organization staff members.
So they're not members of the Corganization.
They have either signed a twoand a half year contract or a
five year contract and in somecases they were making less than
the pay of Sea Organizationmembers.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, it's wild.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Yeah, but by the way, you reminded me of something
circling back to Zinu andReligious Technology Center.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
As we know, they statistically track everything
and so every hour of processingthat people do when they're on
the upper levels.
A portion of that money goes toReligious Technology Center.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's a good point, because Religious Technology
Center is entrusted withprotecting the upper level
materials, which is all of theXenu and the body thetans.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Yes, and Religious Technology Center owns them and
licenses the organizations touse them.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
That's right.
So they have this wholestructure.
It was.
What was it called?
It was called something.
It was called the REORG or the.

Speaker 3 (13:53):
The corporate?
Yeah, Corporate sort out Right.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
They called it the corporate sort out.

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So Church of Scientology,international Religious
Technology Center, authorServices, cst all these
different entities that areactual corporations on paper Yep
, all of their members aremembers of the C organization,
but the C organization does notexist on paper.

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It does not exist in the realworld.
It's not a corporation, it'snot an S Corp, it's not an LLC,
it's nothing.
It doesn't even exist In thereal world.
It's not a corporation, it'snot an S-corp, it's not an LLC,
it's nothing.
It doesn't even exist In thereal world.
It doesn't exist.
And the thing that I wanted tosay, which was probably the big
secret, is that so all thismoney's going everywhere and the
Sea Org members, no matter whatorganization they're from, they

(15:02):
get paid like a stipend ofbasically just money for coffee
and cigarettes, which is $50.
They take taxes out of that.
So you get $46.26, if I recall,or $0.28, one of those,
depending on what the SDI andthe FICA were that year.
Those are just dumb tax codethings.

(15:22):
Anyway, david Miscavige, hedoesn't get paid that amount.
No, he doesn't what is theamount of being in RTC and being
aware of some of the finances,and this is available on the
internet.
You can find this.
There's tax forms or religioustechnology filings that had to

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be put into the governmentbefore and during their
transition to getting taxexemption, and I remember what
the number was.
I just want to see if youremember what his yearly salary
amount.
What do you remember it being?

Speaker 3 (15:58):
As I recall, 300,000.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
300,000.
So the SEERG members that areworking 120 hours a week every
week, 365 days, 52 weeks, allthat good stuff, they're getting
46 bucks a week.
Now I'm not a math wizard, butI think 300,000 a year makes his
weekly amount a little bit morethan them.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
Yeah, it might be more than all SEERG members
combined, internationallyactually.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
I think I can remember on my social security
statement of one of the yearswhere we got paid regularly and
I think I tapped out at about 2Kin a year like where we got
paid every week.
We got the 46 bucks and wemight've got a Christmas bonus
of a hundred bucks or somethinglike that.
Right, I think I got about 2kthat year.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Right.
So 46 times 52 is 2392.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
So if you get paid every week, you're making 2300
bucks.
And if you're David Miscavige,what is that 25k?
What is he making?

Speaker 3 (17:03):
300, 300k oh per week .

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah, what's the week ?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
Yeah, I was working on a different calculation.
He's getting the pay of 125 SeaOrg members per year.
He is yes.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes.
How do you figure that out?
Oh, because you divided 300K by2,300.
Right, exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:22):
What's 300K?

Speaker 1 (17:23):
by 52?
.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Yeah, yeah, divided 300k by 2300.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
What's 300k by 52?
Yeah, yep, yep.
What is it?
Basically?
6k rounded up 5800.
Okay, so he's making.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
Wow, he doesn't actually make that I know that's
the thing I mean.
You know, compared to relative,relative real world salaries.
It's just the concept of it andin you know what, what we
experienced and were paid for 15years.
Most of that time we didn'thave any idea what he was making
.
And actually the other thingtoo that was the interesting

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piece of it is that it wascarefully structured and rigged
so that David Miscavige was thenumber one pay amount.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
And even though during the 15 years we were
there, his next in command wasShelley Miscavige.
On the org structure.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
And I want to say that one year Shelley and
Larisse also got a large amountof money.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, no, they did.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
But it wasn't anywhere near the amount that he
was getting.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Right, but it was carefully structured so that
David was number one, larissewas number two and Shelley was
number three, because thelawyers advised that having a Mr
and Mrs as number one andnumber two didn't look good.
It wasn't good scenery, as theysay.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Wow Optics, not good optics, yeah.
So think about that for asecond, though.
The Sea Org members are getting46 bucks, and they have to pay
for all their stuff too.
They got to pay for their foodand their coffee, and this and
that and the other thing.
Room and board is covered.
They're getting food, andthey're getting three hots and a
cot, but they're not gettinganything more than that.

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I mean even to the point where,at the international
headquarters, whenever theservices staff the facilities,
sea Org members would refill thebathrooms with toilet paper.
They would literally fill thecupboards under the sink with
toilet paper and they would fillall the stalls with new toilet
paper, under the sink withtoilet paper, and they would

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fill all the stalls with newtoilet paper, and within a day
or two it would all be gone,because the seer members would
go in there, they'd use thefacilities and then they just
take the role with them, so thatthey had a role at home,
because no one's got time ormoney to be going out and you
know, squeezing the Charmin atthe grocery store, that would be
the last possible place you'dbe able to go to get Anyway.

(19:51):
But now here's the key thing,and somebody did comment on this
and I wanted to bring this upas well.
Ryan M said he might be paid300 K, but wasn't all of his
expenses covered?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yes, 100%.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yes, and then?

Speaker 3 (19:58):
some.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
So not only is all his gourmet seafood being flown
in from the coast, or driven in.
In the case when we were in theHemet, he was getting sushi
driven in every day from SantaMonica Seafood.
Shout out to Santa MonicaSeafood.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
I think the only thing that David and Shelly paid
for personally was dog food fortheir six beagles.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Really, mm-hmm, that was coming out of their.
They paid it personally was dogfood for their six beagles.
Really, that was coming out oftheir their they paid it
personally, yep.
Dog food.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
I think that's about it.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
We had a dog, they weren't covering our dog food.
At least he had to pay for hisdog food.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
We illegally had a dog.
We broke the rules and got adog.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Now if he and, by the way, not only were his expenses
covered, but David Miscavigehad an endless wishlist of all
the things that he wanted inlife?
When you're in Scientology andspecifically in the Sea Org, you
are encouraged and taught thatyou shouldn't need any physical

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objects to enrich yourself.

Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, in fact, if you had any desire to have nice
objects or like there's aHubbard writing that says those
shiny cars are driven bydegraded men.
You know, it was likemiddle-class PTS, which backing
up for a minute just means thatyou are lured by wanting to live

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a normal life like everyoneelse in the real world, have a
nice house, have nice clothes,didn't?

Speaker 1 (21:38):
they call it, it was called.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
It was called middle-class PTS.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
PTS to the middle class.
Pts to the PTS to the middleclass, which means a potential
trouble.
Pts to the middle class.
Pts to the middle class, whichmeans a potential trouble source
to the middle class, like themiddle class is sucking you in
to wanting things.
Okay.
So that being the bedrock of aSeaWorld member, david Miscavige
had this wish list of cars andmotorcycles and bikes and

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cameras and scuba gear andunderwater photography equipment
, and every year the Scientologyorganizations, all of them,
pick something on the list.
Now there's 200 plus differentorganizations all over the
United States, all over theworld, and all the ones that I
talked about Church ofScientology International, cst,

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asi, esi Executive Strata.
And then you have all thecontinents CMO Anzo, CMO PAC,
which is Los Angeles, CMO EastUS, CMO LATAM.
They would all get intosomething.
And so yeah, so he wouldliterally at his birthday and

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Christmas time there would bejust shipments, like, if you
look, we'll show this sometimetoo.
If you look at theinternational headquarters
property, they have these flythrough videos or drone shots of
the property.
If you go to the RTC building,it's called Building 50 in any

(23:06):
of the videos, and I think I'vedone some of these videos as
well where we just talk aboutthem.
I think we should probably do anew one.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Yeah, we talked about that last week.
We should definitely do that.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
Anyway, there are garages next to this Building,
50 building, and in this stringof garages is where they store
all the goodie, all the bootythat people send him like the
vehicle, all his personalvehicles and motorcycles and
harleys, and all that stuff isin the garages and then his

(23:41):
underwater gear and his cameragear and his endless, exactly,
and in contrast, you knowwhatever it's for.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I'm sure there's lots of people who have that in the
real world, but it's thecontrast to the lives of members
of the sea organization, wherethis just is a stark difference,
difference and to me I justdon't, I still don't understand
why there's not an um cause forinerman investigation there.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
You know of out exceedingly, you know huge
personal benefit well, I thinkthe way they get around that is
because they're gifts.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
So he's not.
He's getting a salary becausehe's the head.
He's the chairman of the boardof directors for the Religious
Technology Center, which is ajoke, because there's no board,
it's just him.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Board of one.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Yeah, and then so he's getting a salary from that
job which on paper and in thereal world is legit, and also
300,000, it's not really thatmuch in the overall scheme of
things, and very likely he doesget paid a lot more than that.
Now, this was in the ninetieswith this 300,000 figure.
So he probably, um, he'sprobably getting millions of

(25:01):
dollars at this point.
But he doesn't have anyexpenses except for that dog
food.
She's probably not putting themout too much.
They're probably buying the goodstuff, though I would guess
that they're buying the goodstuff they're not giving him.
They're not giving him some ofthat cheaper dog food with all
that aluminum in it.
Anyway, he's not gettingSundays or you know, like fresh

(25:25):
food you put in the fridge, butregardless, he's not paying for
anything except for dog food.
He's getting all these freegifts.
So he doesn't really he doesn'tneed to buy anything Like, he
doesn't need to buy toys, allthat he has all the toys in the
world he can buy, and then, inaddition to that, his facilities
where he lives, those are allbought and paid for by.

(25:46):
Religious Technology Center.
Yep.
So all his residences and allhis audiovisual systems and all
that stuff, those are prettytricked out.
I know I've been to many ofthose places setting them up so
I knew about those.
Yep.
Um, anyway, the big secret inScientology is the money that

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you give to Scientology.
The only one person whobenefits from it in Scientology
is David Miscavige.
There's no other Sea Orgmembers that are even next in
line getting a ton of money, orin waiting people in waiting on
the sidelines, did you?
Yeah, okay, does that mean Ihave to read the comments?

(26:27):
Yeah.
Okay, it's all good, anyway,yeah, yeah, so that is.
And the money, I mean theorganizations don't have enough.
If you go to Buffaloorganization Scientology
organization in Buffalo or LosAngeles or Florida, they barely

(26:49):
have enough money to feed thecrew, keep the place, the lights
on and the toilet paper rollsfilled and the place clean.
And they barely have enoughmoney to pay for the dry
cleaning of these fancy, youknow, maitre d' or valet suits

(27:10):
that the Sea Org members wearand the Scientologists that work
in the organizations.
They wear these to them, fancyoutfits that David Miscavige has
sort of implemented over thepast decade or two.
They don't even have money todry clean those.
So the money is going up and upand up.

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And also, that's another keything, all of Scientology
management, all of the peoplethat are writing these telexes
and receiving telexes back andforth to all these different
organizations.
That's all funded by thosepercentages that come up from
all the different organizationsall over the world.
And Flag, which is the Flagland base, which is the big

(27:58):
property in Clearwater, florida,where they have all the it's
like.
Basically they have probablylike 25 different buildings that
make up all these different SeaOrg, the Sea Org base in
Florida.
That organization by itselfmakes more money than all of the
rest of Scientology combined.
Yep.
That's a key thing everybodyshould know.

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So if you added up every singleother organization, whether
it's a Sea Org or whether it's aScientology organization that
just has staff members or it's amission, all of the income from
all of those organizations isnot more than what just comes

(28:39):
from flag every week.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Yeah, yeah.
And, by the way, in retrospect,on the topic of staff pay 100%.
To me the low amount of pay wasintegral to how long we stayed.
Felt like we were trapped thereand couldn't get out, because
if you have no money, I mean we.
I, when I escaped, I had moneyto make it to the Riverside

(29:05):
County um bus station.
That was it like.
Not even out of the state, youknow you.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
That's right, I had to get you a ticket.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Right, you got me a ticket, which is the only reason
, you know, I succeeded, youknow, or a huge part of why I
succeeded in getting away.
It's just, if you have noresources, nowhere to go.
On top of that, you know you'regoing to be pursued.
And, of course, we've learnedmany, many more examples of this

(29:34):
in the years since we've leftand in the work we do through
the aftermath foundation.
I mean, the stories are justabsolutely crazy.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, we, we always thought that it would.
It couldn't get worse when wewere there and we were there for
over a decade at theinternational headquarters but
every year you'd be like there'sno way it could get worse, like
there's just no way that nextyear could be worse than this
year.
And then, of course, next yearyou'd be like, well, at least it

(30:04):
can't get worse.
And that just kept going.
And so we just thought you knowthis, I don't think it's ever.
It's always going to get worse.
At a certain point we were likeit is going to get worse.
It never doesn't We've.
At a certain point, we werelike it is going to get worse.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
It never doesn't.
We've never talked to someonewho escaped and was like hey,
guess what?
You know what?
In 2015,.
You'll never believe it.
Things got better, Neverhappened.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Anybody who talks to somebody else who got out after
them, the person who morerecently got out is always like
oh man, you got out just in time.
I mean, you're just like what.
And when we talk to people thatgot out 10 years before us,
we're like oh dude, you got outjust in time.
You know, just like anybody whogot out earlier got out just in
time.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
No matter what.
And yeah, it never, never gotbetter.
And we do hear from people thatwe're helping and they tell us
some of the stuff are going onand we're just like I can't
believe.
Not only are they still doingit, but they're doing it to a
degree that is just mind blowing.

(31:11):
Yeah.
And all the mechanisms to gointo covering up that they're
still doing the thing thatthey're not supposed to be doing
.
You're just like why don't theyjust pay these?
Like you would just think andthis is a good point If they
really did have millions andmillions of members, who would
care if three people left?

(31:32):
Completely.
Or there was some silly peopleon YouTube talking about them,
or they wouldn't need to put uphate websites on us.
And they wouldn't need to putup, wouldn't need to send
private investigators after us.
If they had millions andmillions of people, I mean as an
organization that large, you'regoing to have fall off, you're
going to have defectors, you'regoing to have people that don't

(31:55):
like it and they're just goingto go.
And that's just part of doingbusiness.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah, I think that's the only thing David Miscavige
got right.
Actually, he used to say allthe time that they are their own
worst enemy.
Scientology is their own worstenemy.
That he got right.
He is his own worst enemy, yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Anyway, regardless of all that, when you do have I
think it was Lori Webster, doyou remember Lori Webster?
Yeah, I do she put out somekind of newsletter or something
like that.
They're trying to raise somemoney or get somebody, everybody
, to support something, and shesaid that they had gotten 11,000

(32:36):
people to support their thing.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Oh yes, Tony Ortega covered this recently.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
We should put a link to that.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
We'll put a link down in the description.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
But she basically said when they got everybody to
sign up.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
She flipped and gave an actual number.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, when they got everybody to sign up for their
thing.
Even though they have millionsand millions of members, they
only got 11,000 people to signup for this thing, which means
that's probably the actualamount of people that are in the
loop and doing Scientology.
Yeah, Because they do.
They have a lot of reach out,Like when they're when they need

(33:11):
somebody to do something inScientology.
They have a way of gettingahold of these people to do it,
Like they either call them orthey email them or they text a
way to get the hold of thesepeople to do it, Like they
either call them or they emailthem, or they text them or they
get them to come into theorganization.
So and they really do go totown on getting people to do
stuff, If they if DavidMiscavige says contact every

(33:32):
single Scientologist and getthem to come in and watch this
video, they have to sendcompliance that they did that,
yeah, and actually that's one ofthe most common requests, or a
very common request that we getinto the Aftermath Foundation is
how do I get off their mailinglist?

Speaker 3 (33:52):
How do I get them to stop contacting me?
So we've developed a whole listof do this, do this, do this,
do this, do this and try all ofthese things.
I think my favorite is thepeople that send back the
foundation cards to the staff.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Yeah, so we you can get.
If you go to the aftermathfoundationorg, we can send you
little business cards.
So just have our contact infoand it says hey, if you need
help or whatever.
And I think what, how do theygo out?
Like a hundred or 50 in a in apackage or whatever?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
whatever they want.
It's like stacks of fourdifferent designs of the cards
that go out.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
So sometimes people that are getting junk mail from
Scientology by the way, junkScientology is they.
I would say they're number onein junk mail.
Oh yeah for sure.
They produce and chop down moretrees than anybody to send out
to everybody they can everysingle week.

(34:48):
And it is a statistic inScientology in every single
organization If they sent out50,000 pieces last week, they
got to send out 51,000 piecesthis week.
It never ends.
So, they're always, and I usedto do this when I was there for
the time that I was in LosAngeles for about six months.
That was my job.
I was the I was in in ABLEInternational, the Association

(35:10):
for Better Living and Education,and I was in charge of the
what's called BMO bulk mail outand I had to go down to the
printing press and I had to goto the post office and make sure
it got printed in time.
And then it got and everyThursday before two o'clock I
had to chase this down and goover to Myers and Sons, which is
the fulfillment house which wasowned by Scientologist and they

(35:32):
were making so much money offof Scientology.
They were handling all of these, all this bulk mail for all of
the Los Angeles organizationsand yeah, it's a lot, it's a
major, major operation.
So people were getting thosejunk mail mailers and then they
have a return.

(35:53):
I don't remember what it'scalled anymore.
It's called a BRE, a bulkreturn envelope.
I think that's what it's called.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Oh yeah, that's right , and it's paid for.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
It's prepaid for by Scientology.
So if you want to send them acheck, you put it in your little
envelope and send it back.
Well, people have been puttingaftermath cards in those little
envelopes and sending them back,and so that's fun and that will
get you off the list.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, We've received enough responses from staff to
those all over the map, but itdefinitely gets through
surprisingly.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah.
So what else can we talk abouton the finances?
So we got David Miscavige getsall the money.
Oh so another way that and thisis kind of it was set up
originally in the corporate sortout back in the eighties.
It was originally set up thisway so that L Ron Hubbard could
get money and it wouldn't bethere, wouldn't, it wouldn't be

(36:53):
traced and it wouldn't be.
It wouldn't be traced and itwouldn't be, it wouldn't lead
back to him.
And when L Ron Hubbard sort ofwent off of of the management
lines of Scientology and he wentoff into hiding because the
governments of the world wereall trying to hunt him down and

(37:13):
Scientology had just beenconvicted of the largest
infiltration in the UnitedStates government and its
history.
You can Google Operation SnowWhite.
But when he was hiding, theyhad to reorganize the corporate
structure of Scientology so thathe basically, if he did get
caught, he wouldn't be convictedbecause they would have

(37:34):
rearranged everything.
So it's like no, no, no, youguys don't know what you're
talking about.
We don't.
This is how we have it all setup.
It's all legit.
Well, by the time that they hadalmost finished that, l Ron
Hubbard died.
He was chasing BTs till thevery last second and he was
trying to get himself shocked.
If people don't believe the BTs, there's stories out there

(37:58):
about some of the people thatwere there with Hubbard.
He was trying to hook himselfup to car batteries to shock
these body things that he couldjust not get rid of.
And so that might be what OT 9and 10 is.
You might have to like go getan e-meter from O'Reilly's, you
know, get a car, get some carbatteries.
Go over to Advance Auto Parts,mark 10 E-meters made up of six

(38:20):
car batteries.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Anyway, he was trying to zap himself and he
reportedly he did have a lot ofcash there where he was at, but
by the time he passed away itwas perfectly set up for whoever
took over to be able to takeadvantage of this new corporate
structure, and that was DavidMiscavige.

(38:43):
So, yes, lots of fun.
I'm trying to think of anythingelse.
The CIA did not createScientology.
You know there is a lot ofpeople that were.
Somebody wrote that in thecomments CIA created.
No, they didn't.
L Ron Hubbard createdScientology.
I won't say that there weren'tCIA adjacent programs being done

(39:08):
at the same time, because L RonHubbard, before he did
Scientology, you guys got torealize, before he started
Scientology he was messingaround with Alistair Crawley and
they were doing rituals andthey were doing all sorts of
psychedelics and trying to findthe antichrist and all this
stuff.
They were, he there was.
There was some nonsense thatthey'd be up to yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
I highly highly recommend reading bare faceiah,
always by uh russell meller.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
Um the history in there debunks pretty much
anything you ever might havebelieved about elrond hubbard if
you were ever in scientologyfor any amount of time yeah, and
that includes stuff about hisfirst wife and his second wife
that he never had and then histhird wife, because he even said
in an interview when he wasmarried to Mary Sue Hubbard and

(40:03):
somebody said, what about yoursecond wife?
And he said I never had asecond wife, even though he was
married to Mary Sue Hubbard,which technically, if he never
had a second wife, she wouldhave been his second wife.
He literally said on video I'venever had a second wife, she's
my third wife but I didn't havea second wife.
He literally said on video I'venever had a second wife.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
She's my third wife, but I didn't have a second wife.
Anyway that's just.
You know how that works.
It's like saying, anyway,whatever.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
It's a lot of nonsense happening in
Scientology and it came from LRon Hubbard.
He was a source of it but atthe time and you can read about
it in Barefaced Messiah, all ofthe nonsense he was up to.
But at the same time the CIAwas experimenting with LSD and
dosing soldiers and all thisother stuff.
And I also think when you're inthe Sea Org, one of the

(40:51):
qualifications which kind ofmakes it so you cannot join the
Sea Org is if you have taken LSDor angel dust.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Right, that's right Exactly.
It's an instantdisqualification.
But even though that became aqualification, anyone who had
already joined the SeaOrganization was just
grandfathered in, like my mother, for example.

Speaker 1 (41:16):
Your mom did LSD.
Lsd yeah, whoa, and we're thebad guys.

Speaker 3 (41:21):
Okay, she's tripping balls on lsd, but we're the bad
I mean it was before I was born,in the 70s, you know anyway,
but yeah there was a ton ofpeople at the international
headquarters, a ton of seahorsemembers that had been there and
worked directly for l.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Ron Hubbard, rick Kruzan, gary Weesey, charlie
Rush, all these cats and theyhad all done LSD.
It was almost like it wassurprising how many people were
there that had done LSD at theinternational headquarters.

Speaker 3 (41:56):
Yeah, maybe there's a study on that.
Like, maybe that is what causespeople to get into Scientology,
and then we were just thefallout because our parents got
in.
Yeah, that's wild Statistically.

Speaker 1 (42:08):
I didn't even think about that until just now,
because there was a ton ofpeople that had done LSD.
Didn't Peter Schless do LSD?
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Yeah, it broke something in their brain that
destroyed their resistance tocults.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
But whatever it was about the LSD and I want to say
Hubbard knew, he knew all aboutLSD- yeah, yeah, I don't know
that.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
He knew all about it.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Yeah, I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
So he knew that sometimes, or at least his
theory was, hubbard's theory wasthat the LSD got lodged in your
fatty tissue and residualamounts of it would be in there.
So you could be in the middle ofmixing an L Ron Hubbard lecture
and making the sound allawesome, and then you just start

(42:54):
tripping balls on LSD and thenyou'd mess up the lecture, right
.
So then he developed that's how.
That's exactly how thepurification rundown came to be
was that he was trying to makemovies and record lectures.
And all these people that wereseer members that he just said
you're an audio engineer, you'rea, a film mixer, you're a

(43:17):
cameraman they never done thatbefore in their life.

Speaker 3 (43:20):
Right, that wasn't the problem.
It wasn't the problem that theywere being asked to do jobs
that they had no idea and notraining for and no experience.
That wasn't the problem.
The problem was that they hadtaken LSD and it was stuck in
their fatty tissues.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
Yeah, so L L Ron Hubbard developed the
purification rundown and he usedthe golden era productions, lsd
, uh members, the people who hadtaken LSD in the past.
He used them as Guinea pigs todo this purification rundown
anyway.
Um, but yeah, the the the LSDthing.

(43:56):
Um, if there's no new Sea Orgmembers that are being let in
that have taken LSD.
No.
Definitely, that is a strictqualification.
You cannot have taken that andyou can't take any sort of drugs
if you're in the SeaOrganization.
Yeah, though, that being said,actually you reminded me, so you

(44:17):
mentioned Petereter schlessyeah he joined the sea
organization after that rulecame out, but it was waived for
him because he was a verytalented musician yeah, he wrote
um, if anybody who doesn't knowpeter schless, um, he wrote the
song um the Wings of Love,which is a big hit back in I

(44:40):
want to say the 80s.
On the wings of love, only thetwo of us.
I don't remember who sang it,al Jarreau, I don't remember.
I don't remember who sang thesong.
I'm sorry, okay, it wasn't my,I wasn't listening to that type
of tunes you did a pretty goodjob there if anybody knows the
song.
You did a pretty good job there.

(45:01):
If anybody knows the song.
I did a good enough job to jogtheir memory.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Yeah, you want to switch to you for a minute and
I'll swap this out so I can helpyou with the comment.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Okay, claire's going to swap out her laptop.
We're doing a hot swap.
We're doing a Jeffrey.
Now people are commentingJeffrey Osborne maybe.
Oh well, that's, that's MarkFisher.
He knows for sure.
Well, what happened the CIA,what happened to?
What did it do?
What, what did?
Oh, there it is Scientologypeeling the onion.

(45:29):
Hey, mark, shout out to MarkFisher.
He says it was Jeffrey Osborne,which I do believe.
That sounds right.
Somebody else here saying JamesIngram yeah, he says it was
Jeffrey Osborne, which I dobelieve.
That sounds right.
Somebody else here is sayingJames Ingram yeah, I don't
remember, I just remember.
I do remember that LSD is usedto create the venturing.

(45:52):
Yeah, tommy Davis is a drugrevert.
That is true.
Harvey Tommy Davis, he smokedmarijuana when he was a kid and
he was a Scientologist.
So, he likes to deny that, but Ihave it on good authority that

(46:12):
he did and it was the folks thatran it.
Catherine says hey, mofo,that's Mark Fisher's nickname
from David Miscavige.
Mofo Yep, no, not James Ingramor Al Jarrell, it's okay, you

(46:37):
two are youngsters.
Um, yeah, that, um, whoever'sdoesn't that, I don't know?
Um, I like it gonna cue on thewings of love.
Um, yeah, peter schless wasstill getting royalty checks at
the gold base.
I don't think they were thatmuch.
I want to say they're like $35or, you know, $15, but it was.

(46:59):
It was considered an externalinfluence that Peter Schless was
still making money from theoutside world, even though he
was a Sea Org member and hadbeen a Sea Org member for over a
decade at the Golden EraProductions base where I worked,
and he was still getting introuble for getting that money.
And anyway, are you, you firedup?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
I'm good to go Look at that.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
She got it.
Good to go, does it?
Do I still have you on camera?
I do Look at that, okay, so weare going to do.
We're going to get into some ofthese comments here, yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:33):
Oh and, by the way, I didn't get a chance to mention
this to you before we started,but we will do three giveaways.
Oh my goodness.
Thank you to Dr Paul and Dr Xfor their donation to the
spshopcom in honor of MikeRinder's 70th birthday coming up
this coming week, nice.
So we'll do three Mike Rinderbobblehead giveaways.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Three Mike Rinder bobblehead giveaways.
Okay, you heard it here, folks.
We're doing three giveaways andwe will do the giveaways with
the giveaway tool to make itcompletely random and totally
not fixed, even though I did winthat one time.
Let's go through the questionsyou ready.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Oh, yes and sorry.
One last comment, though, onPeter Schless.
If you want to learn more abouthis story, read Karen Presley's
book, which we will link to.
I think it's called EscapingScientology, I believe.
Yeah.
Yeah, okay, p LinkedIn questionDid DM really play Nintendo 64?

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Yes, Do you remember the time when we went up to Big
Bear?
Do you remember that In early,like 93?

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
We went one Christmas this was in the good years when
we got the day off forChristmastime, we went up to Big
Bear, california.
It was only, I don't know, anhour or so from the gold base,
maybe a little more SanBernardino in California.
Um, and we, and because I was,uh, one of the people that set

(49:04):
up the audio visual systems inDavid Miscavige's offices and
stuff like that, and I wasn't,um, I wasn't important enough to
have to stay at the base whenhe was there- but, I, was
qualified enough to go set uphis systems where he was going
to be spending Christmas time atsome hotel up in a big bear.

(49:27):
Right.
And so I was tasked with goingup there about two days before
everybody else got up there, andI had to go up there and set up
the TV and set up the thesespecific speakers and amplifiers
and the Nintendo system and DVDplay, all the stuff that you
needed.
I don't even think it was DVDat that time, it might've still

(49:49):
been VHS.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
And so, yes, he and Mark Yeager and Larisse and Greg
Wilhair and Guillaume, theywould play Super Mario Kart, and
David Miscavige would bitch,slap them to the hell in that
Mario Kart, because he wasplaying all the time.

(50:12):
They didn't know that, though.
When they would get up thereand then they would play, he'd
be like, hey, you guys want toplay.
And then they'd be like, oh,it's this, oh, it's Mario Kart,
okay, and he would just destroyMario Kart.
So, yes, he did.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Catherine Olsen.
I watched Jason's interviewwhen I was still in the CR.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
He blows my mind every week.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I know me too.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
So some people were mentioning this last week when
we had the billboards up and wehave the link or some of the
cards have a phone number.
We try every different whichway to get to these
Scientologists or ScientologySea Org members.
But some of these Sea Orgmembers are pretty resourceful,
as Catherine has demonstratedthe ones in Los Angeles.

(50:58):
They're out in the wild, theycan go out in the wild, they can
make it to a during lunch orwhenever.
If they can get to a Walgreens,they can get a burner phone or
they could get on the internetand the wifi.
It's they.
The SeaWorld members that wantto leave will figure out a way
If there's somebody there toreceive them or somebody that

(51:20):
can assist them.
It makes getting out ofScientology and the Sea Org so
much easier because we alreadyknow all the things that they
need to do.
We can get them a flight, wecan get them a plane, we can get
them a bus, we can get them acar, we can get them a job.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
We can them a bus.
We can get them a car.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
We can get them a job .
We can emergency housing.

Speaker 3 (51:41):
We can send our counseling education support,
whatever is necessary, for sure,yeah, yeah.
And by the way, on that note Idid want to say mark your
calendars.
On April 19th we will do an afull hour update just on the
Michael J Rinder AftermathFoundation.

Speaker 1 (51:57):
Awesome.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
Cool, okay, let's get some of these questions.

Speaker 3 (52:01):
Okay, Rebecca question how do you feel about
Trammell Tillman from Severanceworking in Mission Impossible?
He said in interviews how muchhe researched cults a lot to be
Milchick.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
It is what it is.
Man Right, when you're an actorin Hollywood, um, you're trying
to get gigs, you're trying todo work right, big work.
The bigger the movie, um, thebetter for you, for your career.
Right.
If just the main star happensto be some wackadoodle that
believes in space aliensinfesting his body.

(52:35):
I mean, that's part of the jamin Hollywood.
You got to play.
You want to be an actor in amovie.
You got to work with peoplethat have different thoughts and
points of views than you.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
For sure, but still you reminded me.
One fact that blew my mind wasthat Shalise Ann Sola, from
Cults to Consciousness onYouTube, highly recommend her
channel.
Her and her husband do amazingwork.
But I was talking with her andshe told me, oh yeah, she had
gone to.
Oh well, hello.

(53:07):
Then she had gone to Golden EraProductions as an extra and
worked on set there.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
She did an ad or some kind.
She was an actress in aScientology thing?
Yep, yeah, it's part of thegame in Hollywood.
You can't really, I don't know.
I mean, what's her name?
What's the gal who's doing thehandmaid's tale?

Speaker 3 (53:29):
Elizabeth Moss, yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
She's doing a show about cults and she's in a cult.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Okay, Just don't switch to my camera now.
You moved me out of frame, Ithink.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
Oh no, we'll be fine.

Speaker 3 (53:43):
All right.
Nashay Jones, I just found outwhere the Scientology location
is in my city.
How do they explain all of thecash they're bringing in when
people are panhandling andsleeping on the sidewalks not
very far away?
Yeah, I know, I would call thatcognitive dissonance.
Yeah, completely.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, they don't really care about any of that
nonsense.
You'll see, there's a videothere's a facility, a
Scientology facility called CCHR, the Citizens Commission on
Human Rights, located on SunsetBoulevard, and there were some
people that were intense outsideof their building and they were

(54:21):
hosing them down with a waterhose to get them to be like to
clean off the sidewalk.
That is literally that's beingnice to them in Scientology.

Speaker 3 (54:33):
Yep, absolutely, daniel Sander.
Greetings from Denmark, helloDaniel.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
Thanks, Daniel.
Thank you for joining us.

Speaker 3 (54:41):
Jake Lloyd.
Thank you, Mark and Claire, forhelping victims of Scientology
leave and get on their feet.
Yes, absolutely, it's just theright thing to do.
Harvey Denton, didn't peoplelike Marty Mark, Yeager,
Guillaume get bonuses in theearly days?
Yes, very definitely they did.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
They did get bonuses in the early days.
Yes, very definitely they did.
They did and I we talked aboutthis on a previous video but
they actually got bonuses basedon reporting up to L Ron Hubbard
what how Scientology, how wellScientology was doing when that
was total BS and it was notdoing that well.
They got bonuses based on thatdoing that well.

(55:20):
They got bonuses based on that.
So they were.
They were ill-gotten gains.
Um.
Okay, somebody mentionedsomething about the um.
I miss, it's gone.
Now people are oh, here we go.

Speaker 3 (55:28):
Um glenda stevenson question do the people working
directly under david miscavigemake more than 46 dollars a week
?
Uh, so, at least during thetime that I was in Religious
Technology Center, his personalstaff yes, they did receive
weekly bonuses for any week thattheir statistics were up, but
that was, I want to say at thattime it was maybe nine or 10

(55:53):
staff.
He had three stewards andseveral communicators whose jobs
were to type up all hismeetings, all his correspondence
, all that.
Those were the only people whowere getting a different pay
system than the entire rest ofthe C organization.
Melanie Johnson question If youhad to go to the doctor

(56:13):
hospital, how would the bill bepaid?
Great question.
That's a good question.
Short answer workers comp, um.
So, for example, when I brokemy leg, um, and also, by the way
, to go to the doctor you had tohave authorization from at
least five or six people to evengo to the appointment.

(56:34):
It had to be.
You had to plan way far inadvance.
It was no emergency rush visitsto the doctor or to the
hospital, unless it was, likeyou know, an extreme case
scenario.
Code monkey, the flip burgersforever threat doesn't make
sense to me.
Burger flippers make way moremoney in a week than SOs Sea Org
members make in a year, andthey let you go home and talk to

(56:55):
friends and family with daysoff.
Yeah, exactly, great comment.
And that's where we were soexhausted all the time and such
a lack of resources that and itjust wears you down until
finally, even through the fog ofexhaustion, malnutrition,
underpaid, long hours, all ofthat.
Even then you go.
You know what long hours all ofthat.

(57:20):
Even then you go.
You know what Flipping burgerssounds?
Absolutely amazing, let's getout of here.
But yeah, mark and I havetalked about this so many times
I'm like, yeah, absolutely, I'llflip burgers the rest of my
life.
I love making burgers MorganFreeman's favorite freckle.
Okay then can you imagine afuture of Scientology being an
elderly Miscavige or hissuccessor reclusively living on

(57:41):
a compound, with last fewhundred diehard Sea Org members
leading to a Jonestown situation, unfortunately?
I hope and pray that neverhappens, but from the many
abuses we saw it certainly isnot.
There are so many similaritiesfor sure.
I mean, yeah, that's a scarythought.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
I don't know about the Kool-Aid, but they would
definitely just be on thatcompound for the rest of time.
I don't know that they're.
I don't know if there's areason in Scientology why they
would go to the Kool-Aid option,but I don't think they would.
I don't think they would dothat part.
I think if they were told to,there might be some of them that

(58:25):
would do it, but I think thatthere would be a bunch of people
just be like well, if you guysare all going to off yourselves,
then I'm just going to take off.
I don't need to be here.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I hope so, I hope so, I hope so.
I don't know.
Agt Mom, the L Warren HubbardAuditorium that they want to
build in Clearwater.
Won't much of the work be doneby Scientology staff, many of
which are miners?
Wouldn't knowing that help slowdown the sale of the land?

Speaker 1 (58:54):
I think they would just have contractors build that
building.
They wouldn't.
Scientology now that they dohave a lot of money, they have
learned that it's cheaper tojust have professionals build
the buildings than to have theSea Org members just mess up
every single possible step ofthe construction and then have

(59:15):
to hire the professionals tocome in and fix it or tear it
down.
I mean, they've wasted hundredsof millions of dollars over the
decades on doing thingsincorrectly, because that's not
what they do for a living orit's not up to the most recent
codes or whatever it is.
And so they have these bigarchitect firms and construction

(59:38):
firms just build these thingsfor them now.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Right, even the buildings that were built most
recently, when we were stillthere, for example, um Bonnie
view Hubbard's house on the onthe um.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
well, that was one of the ones.
That was a sort of a hybrid.
At the time there were Searmembers working on it and
messing up things and eventuallythey were just like no more
SEERC members, we're doing thisprofessionally.
And then they did that inFlorida with that new flag.
That was 99% of that was doneby outside contractors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Yeah, and that's where Scientology evolves from
the multiple different lawsuitsthat have been filed over the
years, and they change whatthey're doing to protect
themselves more, more so.
Anyway, yep, jc, comanche.
Oh, they are Comanche.
How do you say that, comanche?

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
Comanche yeah, that was one of the.
I was wondering if he was fromone of the tribes that I'd
worked with on many of theprojects, and in fact he was
from the Jeep Comanche tribe.

Speaker 3 (01:00:37):
Yeah, received my giveaway hoodie yesterday.
Thanks, yay, you're welcome.
Oh yeah, so let's do one of thegiveaways now, then we can
answer a few more questions.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Wow, the time has come here, babe.
Yep.
Okay, let me get this commentoff there.
Thanks, JC Comanche.
Okay, what are we doing here?
Oh, we're going to do agiveaway let's go to the
giveaway.

Speaker 3 (01:00:58):
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Here we go, necessary trouble look at that see, there
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Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
That was not a rigged result, so congratulations,
necessary trouble um.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
She gets a Mike Rinder bobblehead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:37):
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Yeah.
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If you already have a MikeRinder bobblehead, just let me
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Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
There we go.
Let's go back to the.
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Okay, for the entries here.

Speaker 3 (01:01:54):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Let's go back to the there we go.
Okay, let's rip through somemore questions.
Oh, I like, whenever these Ilike when you guys bring this up
more often.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
Claire, how is your book coming?
Very good, thank you.
It's been challenging, you knowwork, kids, busy, busy, busy.
But that's okay, I'm working onit.
I had a very good meeting on iton Friday and about two thirds
of the way there.
So coming along.
Thanks for asking, mary Edwards, how well known is David

(01:02:28):
Miscavige's lifestyle within theSea Organization?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Very unknown.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Only his inner circle really knows even where he is
at any given time.

Speaker 1 (01:02:40):
Yeah, he likes to play this game of hide and go
seek with everybody.
Like nobody knows where he'sgoing to be, necessarily and
when.
He likes to just ambush peopleand show up.
Sometimes he has to announcethat he's going to be in a
certain place at a certain dateand he hates that.
That's like his worst nightmare, and I think he's in like South

(01:03:02):
Africa right now or somethinglike that, which is probably not
a good place to go if you'reDavid Miscavige.

Speaker 3 (01:03:08):
I wouldn't imagine so .
But I don't think any place isa good place to go if you're
David Miscavige.

Speaker 1 (01:03:13):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
As we've've mentioned before, his absolute worst fear
is being served and having toshow up for deposition.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Yeah, and so, but within I would say, I would say
even at the internationalheadquarters there weren't that
many people there that knew theintricacies of how well he was
living and that I know they knewhe had nice cars and cause
they'd see him driving thosethings around that property.

(01:03:42):
Yep.
But I don't think they knew hewas getting $300,000 a year.
He, I don't think they knew anyof that, but they knew that he
had it better than them, right?
But when he goes to theorganizations, like in Los
Angeles or these other places,they have no clue Like I would
say, 99% of the Sea Org membersin those locations have no clue.

(01:04:05):
Only the people that workdirectly for him in those
locations or that he's invitingout to dinners or doing social
activities would even get aglimpse into that, that world of
his finances and how he does.
Yep, good question, mary.
Thank you for that.
Okay, here's another one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Question Brooke Murphy.
I see at the organization nearme that I can go on a tour.
What might that entail?
Thanks for all you do, yeah, soa tour?
I know actually many peoplehave mentioned this through that
called into them to theAftermath Foundation like, oh, I
went and did a tour, do I needto be worried?
And we're like just don't giveyour real name or any any

(01:04:47):
information and sure, go ahead.
But you know, just be careful.
Um, uh, one one of my favoritequestions was somebody who
called and he was like I just Ijust went in like two hours ago.
Are they going to be followingme?
I'm like they have much biggerproblems than that.
So just you know, be careful,be cautious, don't go back.
And you're good, there you go.

(01:05:09):
Uh, ian Rofalco in the house.
Hey Ian, where's purist storyfrom either of you?
Okay, I have a good answer tothat okay, good so I did the
purification rundown when I was14 years old and um got up to
taking 5 000 milligrams ofniacin which, by the way, from
what I've looked up now, iscarcinogenic levels of taking

(01:05:32):
nice and not recommended,especially not for a 14 year old
and don't you have to take the5,000 every single day.
Yeah, yeah and then.
So I was about three weeks inand I ended up being up all
night throwing up vitamins andit's absolutely the worst thing
to throw up, by the way and yeah, and then they told me oh, oops

(01:05:56):
, you did the purificationrundown too long, so you're good
, don't, don't do it anymore.
And it was awful and I couldn'ttake.
I still have trouble takingvitamins, actually.
That gag reflex kicks inbecause of that memory.
So there you go.
That was mine.
Do you have one?
No, oh, there you go, cool.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
I did it twice and I just was like whatever.
Yeah, I did take a gazillionniacin and all that good stuff
which is uncomfortable, but um,yeah, I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:06:23):
They made a lot of people redo it after we left for
months and months and months ata time well, I redid it when I
had to do the running program.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I think I had to redo the purif before I did the
running program.
I'm pretty sure.
Yeah, I had to do it again.
Even though I did it when I waslike 12 years old or something
like that.
I had to do it again in my Idon't know, I was 20, something,
you know.
Yeah, there you go, there's.

Speaker 3 (01:06:45):
Jonah Harris Heard anything about the former
management, midoff, yeager etcetera.
By the way, I drove past goldthe other day, surreal to see in
person.
I'm a big fan.
Thanks, jonah, I appreciate it,and no, we have not heard.
Somebody sent us.
I think SP Spanglish just sentus a picture of James Byrne at

(01:07:06):
PAC.
I just saw that Anyway.
Yeah, no, we don't have.
Unfortunately, it is a crazypiece of Scientology that they
can vanish top executives asthey have done.
So Ray Midoff, guillaume MarkYeager, mark Ingber, rest in
peace.
Norman Starkey, Anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
We do hear from.
In addition to hearing fromformer Scientologists and former
Sea Org members, we also dohear from a lot of family
members of Sea Org members andScientologists, excuse me, where
they just don't hear from them.
They know they're inScientology and then sometimes
they'll say, hey, my relative'sname is this, do you know where

(01:07:52):
they are?
And then we can, usually,through the network of ex-CEARG
members, we can usually find outwhere that person is currently
or was last we knew, but theyjust don't hear from them.
They just don't hear from theirfamily member that joined
Scientology and they don't knowlike they want to know, like
what do they do all day?

(01:08:12):
And so this a lot of peoplethat do watch this channel are
family members or associates orex-friends or somebody they went
to school with or college endedup joining Scientology, and
then that's how they find us, isthey're trying to find that
person.
But yeah, they, yeah, wehaven't heard anything about

(01:08:34):
those guys.
And the other thing is, there'sthey, there are people on the
internet that are constantlysearching, um, like the public
records to see if there's a, adeath certificate of any of
these people.
So when some of these people dokind of pop up on a public
records search, that's usuallywhen we find out about it,

(01:08:55):
because somebody that's close tous will say, hey, we just saw
that this thing happened or thatthing happened, but yeah,
public records.
They try to stay away from that.
But they kind of get into alittle trap when they do vote,
because they vote,scientologists vote, and they
use their votes as littlebargaining chips with their
local politicians.

(01:09:16):
Because if you've got, it's aperfect example.
If you're in Golden ArrowProductions and you're in that
county, that's I guess it'sRiverside County is where
they're located.
Yeah, so if you've got 500votes, you're winning the
election in Riverside County, ifyou can lock up 500 votes.

(01:09:36):
So Scientology will schmooze thedoesn't?
They're not.
They don't care.
As far as I've seen they're notreally.
They don't really care theparty.
They don't care if you're aDemocrat or if you're a
Republican or if you're anindependent or if you're a green
party or labor party.
They don't care about any ofthat nonsense.
They just care.
If you're going to cause themgrief.
And if you're going to causethem grief, they're going to try

(01:09:58):
to get you locked up beforethat happens.
And if they can, if they canhand over an election to you,
then they 100% will do it.
If they get you, if they knowit's going to be a tight race,
they'll go, they'll study bothpeople and they'll figure out
which one's going to be the mostpro us and they'll wine and
dine them both just to sort thatout.

(01:10:20):
And then whoever is like 100%theirs.
They're like.
They just tell everybody at thebase.
We would literally get a sheetsaying this person.
It wouldn't tell us who to votefor, but it would say Johnny A
loves psychiatry and Billy,candidate B loves the way to

(01:10:41):
happiness and is very supportiveof our programs.
So you know we got to vote forguy number two.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Yep, and actually sometime within the last four or
five years somebody sent us awhole roster of about 10 to 15
staff from that from theheadquarters that had
participated in a local race, arunning, a 5k, yes, and of
course you know the top threewinners were all members of the
C organization.
I mean, yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah, it was wild, it was crazy it was kind of a
crazy thing that we could seethe people and we and we knew
all the names.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
There was nobody knew yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And I was like they're letting these guys go
run five Ks now for the tosupport some local cause, to try
and be like yeah, no, we're,we're, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
We don't work 120 hours a week.
See, we run five Ks and we winthem all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Yeah, here we go yeah .

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Joel Ashby, scientologist, smoked unfiltered
cigarettes back in the day.
How healthy is that rightexactly camel non-filters, baby
camel straights yeah, okay,let's do the second giveaway and
then we'll do a few lastquestions, and then we will wrap
up okay, here it is.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
We're gonna get the giveaway.
I'm flipping over to giveawaymode.
Perfect, okay, now I've got touh, congratulations again.
I'm gonna draw again.
Here it.
Okay, you guys should be seeingthat.
Ooh, dalton, he was code.
Oh, Kelly BC.

Speaker 3 (01:12:08):
Congratulations.
Please send me an email, claire, at blownforgoodcom, and we
will get you your Mike Rinderbobblehead Awesome.
Thank you for participating.

Speaker 1 (01:12:20):
Yeah, john Smith says this is a great cast.
Oh, there you go.
I don't know what that'stalking about, but thank you
Appreciate it.
I assume he's talking about thechat.
Yes, and then let's see, let'sanswer some more questions here.
Let's see, let's answer somemore questions here, let's see I
got some more starred ones.

Speaker 3 (01:12:40):
I do.
Okay, sabine question.
It seems that David Miscavigehas money stashed aside in some
kind of fiscal paradise overseas.
Why do you think he hasn't leftalready?
Why does he bother staying?
Yeah, well, if you're incomplete control, why not stay?
And yeah, I mean he doesn'thave to answer to anybody, so
it's not, and it's not like hecould do whatever he wants,
right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
He's got to kind of fly below the radar and not get
scooped up by the lawenforcement or anything but
other than that, I mean it'sjust like any other mafia boss
kind of situation.
He's got a good cushy gig rightnow.
I mean he does also get to hangout with his buddy, tommy boy,

(01:13:24):
tom cruise, he gets to go, theygo off and they do all sorts of
adventures and stuff.
Um.
They go on quests, him and tom.
Um.
So yeah, he's got a good.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
He's got a good gig oh my goodness, pete yensen tv.
Hey, pete question.
I've heard when they ask thatquestion during sex checks or
whatever to get into the Sea Org, they try to convince you it
may not have been LSD.
True?
Yes, that is 100% true.
That happened with my stepdad,hugh Witt, the same person who

(01:13:50):
was called as a counter expertwitness in the Danny Masterson
trial.
He thought he had taken LSD andRichard Reese at the time tried
to convince him that it was notLSD.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
Yeah, they do this thing.
It's it's kind of a crazy thing.
They say, hey, listen, ifyou've taken LSD you can't join
the Sea Org.
But then they're so desperateto get new people that then
they're like let's do aninvestigation.
What exactly did you take?
Did it say lsd?

Speaker 3 (01:14:19):
and another key question that they ask is like
well, did you hallucinate,though?
Did you hallucinate?
Well, I don't know, I blah,blah, blah.
If you didn't hallucinate,they're willing to strike it off
the list and say, no, it wasprobably something else you got
you got given something else, itwasn't the right, it wasn't
they.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
They have this thing where there was a lot of stuff
going around and they justeverybody called every and the
best part about this.
The people that are telling youthis are like 22 years old.
They've never seen LSD.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
They've never done LSD.

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
They don't know anything.
They grew up in a in a suburbin La Cunada Right and their
parents were Scientologists.
They've never even seen a drugin their life.

Speaker 3 (01:15:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
And they're like back in the day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:03):
And you know what's funny though, too, you just made
me realize I'm willing to betmoney.
There's drugs far worse thanLSD now that probably cause
hallucinations or whatever, butthat doesn't matter, because
that's not on the list, andHubbard didn't say they couldn't
join the C organization if theytook a drug that was created 10
, 15 years after he died.

Speaker 1 (01:15:25):
Yeah, also, I think now the amount of drug use
that's legal, even prescriptiondrug stuff, is so much more than
it was in the fifties and thesixties and the seventies when
they were trying to, whenthey're making up all these
rules.
So that is another thing aboutScientology, that is, it is a
thing that they have a theystruggle with, which is L Ron

(01:15:48):
Hubbard sealed all their rulesin a time capsule.
They can't, they're notsupposed to change them.
Now, to be fair, davidMiscavige has kind of worked
around, that is whenever it'snot good for Dave.
He says he has a fun littlegame he plays.
He says when he wants to dosomething and change something
that L Ron Hubbard wrote, he'llsay we found the original

(01:16:13):
writings and they weren't L RonHubbard and another person did
this, and in a lot of cases itwas Dave who did it the time
before, where he changedsomething.
And then they say we went inand we found the real stuff and
this was never supposed to bedone.
And then they'll say L RonHubbard actually said that we
were supposed to do X and not Y,and David Miscavige was the one

(01:16:39):
who changed it from X to Y andhe changes it back to X or he
changes it to Z, like thewhatever way will work best for
Dave, and then he'll throw allthese other people under the bus
that either escaped or theywent to the RP or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
It was all their fault.
He lays it all their fault.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
He lays it all on them and then he's like yeah,
that was that guy over there, Ihad nothing to do with that.
And everybody at the base islike bitch, please, that was you
.
100%, we were there.
We know about this.

Speaker 3 (01:17:10):
You were the one that did this.
He is the master of do as I say, not as I do, and then, you
know, play innocent when he doessome big investigation.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
Yeah, so A bunch of nonsense.
All of Scientology does have toplay by all these rules that L
Ron Hubbard sort of locked inthrough the 50s, through the 80s
.
But David Miscavige, he cankind of maneuver around those
where he really really needs to.
He'll figure out a way and hehas over the last 20, 30 years

(01:17:41):
he's done this many, like Iwould say, dozens and dozens of
times where he's revised ormanipulated Hubbard stuff or
just would find that when that'sthe other thing they've had all
this writing since the 1986,they're constantly finding new
things that they haven't gonethrough.

(01:18:01):
It's like how can you guysstill be finding stuff like it's
been 40 years, you've readeverything 50 times over, it's
all been digitized.
How are you finding new stuff?

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
yep, just confirming what we've been saying all along
.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Okay, one last giveaway.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Yes, thank you so much to everyone who has joined
us today.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
We've got a super sticker from Skip.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Thanks, skip oh hey, skip, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Skip's another guy.
He was in Celebrity Center whenYvonne Chance was there and
when Scientology had all thesehot celebrities in the seventies
and the eighties and he knowsall.
He knows all this stuff.
Thanks for joining us, skip.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Yep, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
Okay, here we go.
We got a screen, we got thegiveaway, we got Kelly
Congratulations.
We got the draw again, buttonBoom.
Okay, if I win or you win, babe, we're going to get, we're
going to get strung up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
I'm not going to win Cause because I didn't, I didn't
type there you type the commentno, but you have to do hashtag
xenu oh congratulations,lilyb212.
Please send me an email claireat blownforgoodcom got it.
Yeah, thank you forparticipating in our lilyb212.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Um, I can't believe that hammi agian hasn't joined
us this week oh my gosh, willyou ever get over that?
It was the best hami.
She's like literally I gotta, Igotta clip it if somebody, if
you know how to clip stuff, clipit send it to us, I'll post it.
But fun.
She says literally it'll be funhami, hami, agian, thank you,

(01:19:36):
and I and I'm like it says hamit up again.

Speaker 3 (01:19:39):
Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
It was the best.
It was the best.
Thank you, guys.
We had a.
Let's just see.
You know, I do do another thingwhere I just throw up people's
comments while we're doing theoutro.

Speaker 3 (01:19:51):
Yeah, and, by the way , I saw we have a few people
joining us for the first timetoday, so thank you so much.
We appreciate you watching.
If you get the chance, hit like, hit subscribe.
It helps with the algorithm andhelps us get the message to
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Speaker 1 (01:20:08):
We used to do all this and then we have the outro,
so we kind of stopped.
But yeah, we got the giveaway.
We got if you need, if you wantXenu as my homeboy or any other
kind of merch, but blown forgood merch.
We've got hats, mouse pads,stickers, books, bobblehead.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
We got all that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Bobbleheads are on the SP shop, the SP shop, which
we'll get to Um, but, um, pleasesubscribe to the aftermath
channel on YouTube.
We're trying to get theaftermath channel to have over
10,000 subscribers so that wecan do fundraisers for the
Aftermath.
We can just do those on theAftermath channel and then that
way it's very easyadministratively, because we

(01:20:47):
don't when we're doing afundraiser for the Aftermath, we
want all of the money to go tothe Aftermath and so, yeah,
we're trying to get it, so wecan just do the fundraisers on
the Aftermath YouTube channel.

Speaker 3 (01:21:00):
Yes, and then any other YouTube channels that want
to join in and participate.
It can be created in such a waythat that's very easily done.
It's a really slick feature ofYouTube to be able to support
the foundation.
So yeah, we'll do news andupdates the foundation.
So yeah, we'll do news andupdates.
Dedicated hour just talkingabout people.

(01:21:21):
We've helped programs.
We're launching updates fromthe newsletter that we sent out
recently and so forth, which, bythe way, is also now available
at the aftermathfoundationorg.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Yeah, so if you want to see the latest newsletter,
which has all sorts of excitingnew stuff that we've been up to,
Yep.
And you can also, I think ifyou read that you can kind of
see where things are headed.
We do have some very slicksurprises that are coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:48):
Completely.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
And then also I wanted to say we did talk about
the bobbleheads, but we've gotSP bracelets, that's,
suppressive person bracelets.
You can get one of those.
You can get fake Navy Daveydolls.
These little awesome dolls arebehind me here.
Where are we?
They're those little guys rightthere.
I got three of them justhanging.
One of them likes to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
We know David Miscavige is a big fan of those.
Remember what?
That police officer said Idon't know if Apostate Alex is
here.
I don't know if apostate Alexis here.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
I don't want to misquote it, but it was like
it's emotional distress.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Yeah, they cause emotional distress.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
These little dolls right here, these little guys.

Speaker 3 (01:22:24):
They cause emotional distress to Sea Org members
because yeah, by the way, whatdoes that say about a
Scientologist being able toconfront and chatter suppression
?
Not a hell of a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
It's not a good day in Scientology when a little
teeny little doll, little elf onthe shelf, doll modeled after
fake Navy Davey, gives youstress.
Yeah, but so you can get fakeNavy Davey dolls, bobbleheads,
sp bracelets.
We also do have these.
Oh, I can't show it, I can'treach it.
We've got these.

Speaker 3 (01:22:57):
Don't drop him.

Speaker 1 (01:22:58):
We got Mike.
We got these Mike Rinderbobbleheads and then we also
have some special edition MikeRinder bobbleheads and Leah
Remini bobbleheads.
That are they come.
You can either just get thebobblehead by itself of either
one of them or you can get asigned one, a signed headshot

(01:23:19):
with a bobblehead of Mike, or asigned headshot of Leah with her
bobblehead.
And then, if you're like acomplete baller and you're just
wilding out and you want to gocrazy helping out the aftermath
foundation, you can get a set ofboth of them and a combined
headshot that they've bothsigned right?
Yep, it's Leah and Mike in oneshot.

(01:23:39):
They both signed it and you geta Leah bobblehead and a Mike
bobblehead and all of theproceeds of that go towards
helping people escape or gettheir feet back on the ground
after leaving Scientology.
So what do we call theseMini-Mikes?

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Yeah, or mike jr, mike jr awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
Okay, I think we did it all.
We covered it all.
We did it.
It's another day.
Thank you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
Um it does help.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Happy sunday to everyone who's joined us here it
does help us, if you like, andsubscribe.
Um, because scientologists,they can't subscribe to our
channel because they thinkScientology is going to track
them down.
Um, they can't.
Nobody's going to track youdown for subscribing to a
YouTube channel.
That's kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Not a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
Anyway.
Um, I think that's it right,we're good.

Speaker 3 (01:24:28):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
Thanks guys, until next time.

Speaker 3 (01:24:30):
Bye-bye.

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