Yesterday's Guardians, Today's Ghosts: The Collapse of Scientology's Intelligence Apparatus - Scientology Q&A #39 - Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed

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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Hey guys, welcome to the channel.
Welcome back to Blown for GoodSPTV live stream.
Let's get Mike in here.
Hey, mike, hey Mark, wow, we'vealready got 400 people in here
right off the bat.
That's awesome.
Thanks for joining us today,guys.
Today we are going to talkabout OSA, and there was no way

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that I could have a live streamabout OSA without having Mike
here, because he worked in andaround OSA for how many years,
mike, do you think he worked inand around OSA?
For how many years, mike, doyou think he worked in and
around OSA, either as the bossof them or just doing stuff
related 25.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
25 years.
There was a period in therewhere I wasn't, you know, I was
LRH, post-PRO int or I was chiefof CMO int or COCMO int or in
the hole or whatever, and soprobably the number of years.
Well, actually when I was inthe hole I was still sort of OSA
, so you know, 20, maybe 20years.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Still 20 years.
That's a lot of experience.
So for anybody who doesn't know, anybody who's new to the
channel, osa stands for theoffice of Special Affairs and
that is Scientology's spy wing,previously known as the
Guardian's office.
And they perpetrated thelargest infiltration in the
United States government in itshistory.
And was it?

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11 senior Scientology officials.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yes 11.

Speaker 1 (01:43):
11.
Yeah, pled guilty to espionageand Went to prison.
Went to prison, federal prison,federal prison including L Ron
Hubbard's wife, mary Sue Hubbard.
Right, and the only reasonpretty sure the only reason that
Hubbard didn't end up in jailwas because they couldn't find
him, and Mary Sue fell on hersword for him and took it.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Not just Mary Sue, all of the defendants, everybody
who was investigated as part ofthat government prosecution,
claimed that Hubbard knewnothing, that he was you know.
He was, you know oblivious toall the things that they had
done, which was very much a lie,and in fact, the things that

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they had done were based on whathe had directed be done.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
So it was like Couldn't have been any further
from the truth what theytestified to, right from the
truth what they testified to,right.
So and the only reason they thereally the only reason they
pled guilty and they had to fallon their swords is because they
had them.
It was done, there was, theyhad, they caught him red-handed
and then they raided.
The FBI raided Scientology'sfacilities in DC Hall in

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Hollywood and in well, bothlocations, in the Celebrity
Center and the complex and intheir Washington DC location.
And you know I've gotten somany people have emailed me that
months, the months leading upto that raid, people were going

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through all the files, all ofthe Guardian's office files and
any writing that had L RonHubbard or his signature on them
or his name anywhere.
They were taking razor bladesand cutting them out of the
pages of these documents.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Oh, that happened many times, mark.
That wasn't just prior to theraid.
It also happened when there wasthe fear of another raid.
When Hubbard was in La Quinta,which was in late 1979, early
1980 or something like that,they feared that there was

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another raid coming becausethese two people who had been
shooting movies with him, daleand Ernie Hartwell, had blown
and they'd been unable torecover them.
And another guy I can'tremember his name now had also
Walters, somebody.
Walters had also blown and theywere afraid that they had gone

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to the fbi.
They may have even gone to thefbi and reported that uh well,
you think that you got all thepeople that were involved in
everything?
Uh, you didn't.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
They're still there doing it going on.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Yeah, and so that's when hubbard took off in the
middle of the night with his gobag and two messengers and went
to Reno, nevada, and hid out ina motel in Reno with Dee Dee and
Annie Broca and I think maybeClaire Rousseau, and then I

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think Gene Denk came there too,but they were like in hiding
incognito in a motel in Reno,nevada, wow.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
And he then subsequently well, now I'm
getting off into somethingthat's completely irrelevant I
know, but just so for the setupof it, the Office of Special
Affairs.
After this whole thing happenedwith the Guardian's office and
they went to jail, scientologysaid we have disbanded the
guardian's office and they wentto jail.
Scientology said we havedisbanded the guardian's office.
We got rid of everybody fromthe guardian's office.

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That doesn't exist anymore.
And what they did was theychanged the name to the Office
of Special Affairs and even someof the same people that were in
the guardian's office stillwork for the office of special
affairs, like rick moxon, kenmock, kendrick moxon he was an
unindicted co-conspirator andwas, and they knew that.

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He testified that signatureshad been falsified in government
documents and stuff like thisand he was an unindicted
co-conspirator.
He's the in-house legal counselfor osa to this day, well worse
than that much.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
The president of rtc was the intelligence head for
the guardian's office, new york,warren mcshane he was in the
go2.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Absolutely't know that.
Yes, I thought he ran anasphalt company before he did.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Oh, he did, that's when he was the Guardian's
office, people were not Sea Orc.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Oh, I get it.
So he was doing that work.
He was literally pavingconcrete and then doing
espionage part-time.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Well, I think that he sort of left his, his paving
business, uh, to his partner andthen went, went to new york to
become the, the assistantguardian for information, the
euphemistic name for theintelligence so literally some
of the guardians office people.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Not only are they still in osa, but they're in
religious technology center.
Oh, that is, that'sunbelievable.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
Do you know?
Do you know who the recruiterfor RTC was for the longest time
?
Brian Andrus.
Brian Andrus was the guy thatkidnapped Michael Meisner, the
Guardian office.
He's the one who was caught bythe FBI and then was basically

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kidnapped by Scientology toprevent him from testifying, and
that became a central part ofthe case.
When he finally escaped andwent to the FBI and said they
were holding me in this safehouse.
They put a tennis ball in mymouth, they handcuffed me, they
threw me in the floor of theback of a car and moved me in
this safe house.
They put a tennis ball in mymouth, they handcuffed me, they
threw me in the floor of theback of a car and moved me to
another safe house.

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And the guy that did that wasBrian Andrus.
He was the recruiter for RTC.
He isn't anymore.
Yeah, now he's a big, now he'sa patron.
He's a whale Of Scientology inClearwaterwater who's developing
the buildings that they'reusing.
That's right.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
That's all those properties.
Yeah, that's Brian Andrus.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
That's exactly right, brian Andrus.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
So literally you have Guardian's office, the head of
the Office of Special Affairs.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
Today, linda Hamill was in the Guardian's office.
She was the Deputy Guardian'soffice Guardian.
She was the deputy guardianUnited States Wow.
So Kathy O'Gorman, who is thehead of data of OSA
International, was the assistantguardian for flag.

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She was the AG flag when theoperations were being conducted
against Gabe Cazares Wow.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
That's amazing.
So this is a perfect example.
So Scientology gets caught forinfiltrating the government.
A bunch of people get arrested.
They lie through their teeth.
We're not doing that anymore.
The guardian's office has beendisbanded.
Meanwhile, all of those peoplethat were in the guardian's

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office are still working for theoffice of special affairs to
this day.
They just call it somethingdifferent the, the, the playbook
that they operate off of isexactly the same as what the geo
had.
There is even OSA documentsthat were written to the GO that
they, that they.
When you study, when it's likeoh, this is this, you know, you
know what I'm saying.
Like when they write an issue.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Office of Special Affairs.
Yeah, but it's the same Samewriting.
It just changed the name on thetop of the issue from a
Guardian order to an Office ofSpecial Affairs Network order.
That's it.
Wow, that's amazing, right.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Okay.
So how do we get all the waydown this rabbit hole?
Well, I was just trying to saywhat OSA was and I just said
they.
I was trying to just set it uplike these guys are criminals
and they're criminals that workfor Scientology.
But the reason why I wanted tohave Mike on here is because

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when I was in Scientology at theinternational headquarters, I
worked at Golden Era Productions, so I was in the media arm of
Scientology where we created thevideos and the events, these
big galas that they'd put on,and then all the films and
videos, and every once in awhile we'd be asked to do
something for an OSA video or wewould have to give them
something or some specialeffects or something like that.
But if there was a legal casegoing on, like if there was a

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legal case going on, was a legalcase going on like if there was
a legal case going on?
That was a huge flap for OSAand they had to be all over it
and they had to make that casedisappear.
And if the case didn'tdisappear, david Miscavige, the
insanity would escalate.
The longer the case went, thehigher the insanity level would
go.
Same thing if there was spsprotesting at the base, or same

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thing.
If there was a bad uh, uh, whatwas that magazine?
Premiere magazine or rollingstone magazine?
If there wasn't a science, ifscientology was mentioned in a
negative way in a in a magazine,it would be somebody at osa is
gonna to heads are going to rollat OSA, that this, that this
was allowed to happen, yeah,absolutely OK.

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And there were a lot of thingsthat OSA would make disappear of
these type of things TV showsthat are about to happen, or an
interview that was interviewedand that never saw the light of
day.
They did spike stories and theydid make these things go away
and that's sort of that.

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That's their gig.
That's what they're supposed todo, right?
So so the reason why I wanted tohave Mike on here is because
there was a thing that happeneda few weeks ago where there was
a legal case in Switzerlandwhere Scientology was accusing
some people of harassing them.
Scientology said these two guysare harassing us.

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And I don't know all the insand outs, but they could have
been protesters or people thatwere just saying, hey,
scientology is evil, theyshouldn't be doing evil in our
town and we don't want them andthey need to get out of here.
And so Scientology said we'retaking you to court, you guys
are harassing us.
And then Scientology didn'tshow up to the hearing and they

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lost the case just because theydidn't bring their lawyers with
them to the case.
Bring their lawyers with themto the case.
And and the second I saw that Ithought, oh, osa is doing
something else besides whatthey're supposed to be doing, or
they're just too much for themto do that.
That could just slip throughthe cracks like that.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
Too much.
They have too much there.
Even back in the good old dayswhen OSA I say good old days in
inverted commas with criminalconviction of Danny Masterson

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with the internet absolutelyslaughtering them all day and
every day, with SPTV it wouldhave been.
They would have beenoverwhelmed and would not have
been able, or we would not havebeen able, to deal with all of
this stuff at one time.

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It would have to be focused onwhat's the biggest stuff, and
the biggest stuff would bewhatever Miscavige had his
attention on, whatever he wascomplaining about or worried
about or issuing orders about.
That would be what everybodywould be working on, and a lot
of stuff would fall by thewayside.

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Now the amount of things thatare falling by the wayside is
huge, like far more than I haveever seen.
There is more stuff that nowhappens.
That is sort of I.
I look at and I go, oh, this is, this is not good.

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Up there on the, the 10th and12th floor of the hgb building
is not a happy, happy camp.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Well, just the fact that there's you know, aaron's
doing videos on his channel andhe's got people in the orgs
talking to him that he's thentelling their stories.
He's got.
What about Matt Pesch?
He's got Matt Pesch.
Family members are calling him,scientologists are calling him.

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They're giving him.
The funny thing about Matt isMatt is I mean, he's basically
retired and for fun he does Uber.
He delivers people to theScientology base.
He's driving Scientologists tothe base and they're telling him
stuff on the way there.
They don't know who they'retelling him stuff on the way
there.
They don't know they're, theydon't know who they're talking
to.
But, um, but then you've got.

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You've got um Sea Org membersthat are escaping left, right
and center.
Those Sea Org members in a lotof cases are contacting us and
then telling us stuff.
Um, you've got staff membersthat are escaping, like these
are the, the Scientologists thatare employed in the
organizations all over theUnited States or all over the
world that aren't part of thebillion year contract Sea Org

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members.
And then you've got theobviously the Danny Masterson
case.
That that's probably.
That's probably the flap of thedecade for OSA right now.
That that case, that entirething was there, was OSA's mess
that they they created.
You know, decades ago, reallytwo decades ago, they created

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this mess and they and theyburned a bunch of people, and
those people felt like they gotburned and so they were out for
justice.
They wanted to say, like youguys tried, you got that, you
guys said we were the bad guys,and then this guy got to go away
and then he kept doing what hedid to me, to other people,
right, and so it was just likethere was no way that that was

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never gonna get back out.
Well, the reason what I think sothe reason I think oh, so
should be really freaking outabout now is, I guarantee you,
there's a hundred other DannyMasterson Such that went down,
maybe not all exactly the same,where somebody was assaulted
this way or that way, but therewere crimes committed that have

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been covered up by Scientology.
This has been going on fordecades, and in most cases, the
people that were victims at thetime either are no longer in
Scientology or Scientologykicked them out or did did them
wrong in another way, and sothese people are seeing this
Danny Masterson thing andthey're they're all starting to
come out of the woodwork.
Oh, absolutely, and that's yeah, and that's where I think OSA

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is that, because where do you?
It's like, uh, you know, it'slike one of those uh,
whack-a-mole, you know exactlywhich, which, which leak, which
hole do you?
It's like one of thosewhack-a-mole Exactly which leak,
which hole do you cover in thedam, when there's a hundred
holes?
I?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
totally agree with you, mark.
The issue, from as far as Osagoes, is compounded.
It is not just that there areall these people out there, it's
that they are becoming braverand less concerned about
speaking up and stepping forward.

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It has become safer in theminds of people to speak out now
.
Now we are seeing people whohave been silent for years and

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years and years suddenlystepping out and saying, ok,
it's time for me to talk.
And I'm going to tell you whatI know.
And there has been a lot ofthose in the last six months
ramped up the level of peoplewho are speaking out by about
10x in six months Easily, andthat's what you can see on the

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YouTube.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
End of it you can see .
You know, even Sterling andMike Brown.
We're friends with these guys,we've talked to them for years
but they never were at a pointwhere they would be like oh, I'm
going to tell my story onYouTube.
Almost, I would say 90% ofthese people were not at that
point and we did the show, theaftermath show.
The people that were on theaftermath show, that was

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probably two times as manypeople that were willing to
speak out than before theAftermath show.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Yeah, exactly, it's beengrowing exponentially since.
Really, what I peg as thewatershed was the Truth Rundown
series in the Tampa Bay Times.
That's exactly right, becausethat's when the first people
sort of stepped forward Marty me, tom DeVocht, you and Claire

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and there were a few others.
But we sort of came out verypublicly and spoke and then,
when they did some of thefollow-up, there were more
people Ben Jackson and ShellyKarius and I can't even remember
, was it High Levy.
High Levy.
Yeah, there was more and moreand more.
And then when it got time forthe aftermath and I started

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calling around to people saying,hey, would you like?
You know we're doing this shownow.
In season one there weren't somany people that were kind of
willing, like that was.
Aaron came out for the firsttime yeah, he hadn't really
spoken out.
Mary khan hadn't really spokenout before that.

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She, we did an episode with herand a couple of other people
and you know we did you andclaire and tom and jeff hawkins,
jack people who had jacks,people who had already spoken.
But in season two we startedgetting more and more and Miriam
and Sina and you know, andChrissy and Chrissy, like it

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grew and grew and now it is justcontinuing to grow and people
are writing books too.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yes, that's amazing, there's books that are coming
out.
There used to be five books byX members, now there's 50.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
I know I know feeling like, okay, we've been sticking
our fingers in the dike for 10or 15 years and we used to do
pretty good at that.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
we call it now, just so there's no confusion.
Mike, we call it a damn now.
Oh okay, got it okay.
So yes, I'm sorry I didn't.
I just wanted to make sure thatI didn't go without a comment,
because otherwise people wouldbe writing in there oh right,

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anyway it used to be that themajor leaks and the major gushes
could be sort of controlled.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yes, could be sort of controlled, yes.
Now they must just look at thisand go okay, I'm ready to fall
backwards and just let it washover me, because we cannot keep
up.
And you just see this all overthe place, they are losing stuff

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left, right and center, likedumb stuff.
They're neglecting things, dumbthings.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Here's a perfect example of the reason that the
Switzerland thing happened, andI made a mental note of it.
Okay, they didn't show up witha lawyer.
That seems like like that's an.
Somebody went to the like inour day.
Somebody went to the RPF, or ateam of people would have gone
to the rpf if something likethat happened 20 years ago.
Okay, so then apostate alex wasdoing a live the other night

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and he said that thescientologists in east grinstead
, the seawork there, whoever didnot apply for a permit to build
this tent and do you know, puton the event Hold an event.
Yeah, which they bring in.
Arguably, thousands andthousands of vehicles are going

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to travel into East Grinstead.
People need lodging, peopleneed all that stuff.
They don't have that.
Scientology doesn't have that.
They have to get it from thetown.
Scientology doesn't have that,they have to get it from the

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town.
And they need to get some sortof notice to the council that
they're going to have this eventwithin six weeks of the event.
Well, the event's like two anda half weeks away and they
haven't.
They hadn't notified.
I don't know what the currentstatus of this is.
They may have been there firstthing this morning at the
council.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
Um, we'll have to find out.
I watched apostate alex'slatest uh live that I think was
live earlier this afternoon andhe didn't say that he had spoken
to the people who are in chargeof these permits and that they
haven't still haven't receivedanything.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Okay, so so that to me is like okay, fine, but
that's not the biggest deal.
And and scientology does haveone of these if there's a fine,
we'll just pay the fine.
It's just sort of like whateveroh yeah, five thousand dollars
yeah, they were paid.
How much did they pay?
Three hundred thousand dollarsin fines, something like that.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
Three hundred thousand dollars they paid in
fines get permission to put upthe tent for that kooky IAS
event they held there.
And they went, yeah, well,we're not taking.
They got ordered to take itdown.
They said we're not taking itdown.
They said we're going to startfining you.
And they said, okay, big whoop,yeah.
And then they paid the fine.
The scavenger didn't want thetent taken down because it would
be he would lose face, so theyjust paid.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Yeah.
So you could think like, okay,fine, and that was my first
reaction.
But then Apostate Alex saidthat he planned a protest to
take place the same days thatthe events were going to be
there.
So they have the IES event andthen the Patrons Ball, and so
there's a few days of events.

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And he said that he put in hissubmission to the planning
council that he is going to havea protest.
And then I thought to myself,well, that's going to be weird,
because if they get his proposaland there's no event on the
books from Scientology's end,there's no conflicts and he's
good to go, he's going to getall his stuff approved.
Well, then he dropped this bombthat he has road closures.

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And if you were in the UnitedStates and he said, oh, they're
going to close the road, well,there's another road going the
other way and there's threelanes one way and it's not like
that around East Grinstead.
East Grinstead, if there's acar driving down the road and
you're from America, you'reprobably going to pull over and
let that car go by.
If you're from England, you'reboth going to pull over and let

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that car go by.
If you're from England, you'reboth going to rip right by each
other and your mirrors are goingto like there's going to be
like a one little hair betweenthem when you pass and you might
even touch a little.
There might even be a littlekiss as the mirrors go by.
But it's a very, very, verytight road and if the road is
closed for people to walk up anddown the road doing protesting,
then the thousands ofScientologists that are arriving

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there from elsewhere are notgoing to be able to get there.
And even if they put them onbuses like I'm going through my
mind all the things they'regoing to have to do, like oh,
we're going to stage them hereand then we're going to bus them
in and then we're going to doit's just the logistics is a
nightmare.
If there's a road closure rightoutside Sand Hill, that's
really the part that makes thisnot workable.

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And then you think, well, thisis all on Scientology, because
if they would have put in theirevent thing, then it would have
been fine.
But somebody, somewhere either,either, is busted like the
person who's that when, whensomething silly like this
happens to me, I try to figureout this is the biggest flap in
the world, how could this havetaken place?

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And I go okay, the personthat's job this was that did it
every single event for the last20 events got sent to the RPF or
got sent to Los Angeles orworks in another place and they
didn't tell anybody.
This is what they do, and nowit didn't get done and now no
one knows what to do.
It's just a big mess, right?
So or they're watching sptv andthey're doing sptv not because,

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for those of you who don't know, some of the sptv creators, um,
are now being harassed byscientology.
Whether you know this or not,it is happening and it's some of
the newer ones.
And I think this is anotherthing that you got.
You got to know, guys, ifyou're doing, if you're messing
with Scientology, and then theystart messing with you and you

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react and you get all worriedand then they double, they go oh
, we got one.
If you, if they mess with youand you don't do anything and
you just do a funny video aboutit, then there's not really
anything for them to do andthey're just creating content
for us.
Essentially, I mean, theyfollowed Mike.
They followed Mike.

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I don't even know why.
I really thought when Mike wassick and he was not doing videos
.
In my heart of heart, I thinkScientology was like what's Mike
doing?
He ain't doing videos.
We need to find out what he'sdoing.
He's going to the hospital andhe's going to the doctors and
they're like he's up to no goodbecause he's not doing videos.
So he must be working on asecret.

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Know they're, they're they'rethey're really grasping at
what's going on and who'scontrolling all this.
And that's also the other thing.
Dave always thinks there's big,some big conspiracy, right?
Oh, absolutely Just likeHubbard.

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Yeah, it's, this is aconspiracy.
And really, at the end of theday, scientology is spending
millions and millions of dollarson Google ads, and those Google
ads are skewing the YouTubealgorithm to make all this
content float to the top ofpeople's recommended pages, and
this is all Scientology is doing.
I wouldn't be doing this ifScientology wasn't paying us so

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well to do it.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Ok, that's how this is working In addition to our
big pharma checks.
Yeah, oh.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I know they've been telling the Scientologist.
This is real, guys, this is notjoke.
Dave Miscavige and OSA havebeen telling the Scientologist
that the pharmaceuticalcompanies are paying us to to
take out Scientology, becauseit's the, it's the
pharmaceutical companies whogained to, who have the most to

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gain by Scientology not existing, and so they they.
And it's in magazines, right,it's on websites and magazines
and all sorts of things that we,big pharma was paying us to
protest when anonymous wasprotesting.
Big pharma was paying me towrite a book about scientology,
like and, and I would alwaysjoke like hey, eli lilly, talk

(29:29):
about staff member of the week,like 20 weeks running.
Where's my, where's my checkman?
Where's my bonus?
I've not got one check to thisday.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
You haven't is it pfizer, who's supposed?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
to be paying us Pfizer, eli Lilly, I don't even
know any other ones.
What are the other ones thatshould be giving us dough?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
Oh, AbbVie, abbvie.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
You know we could be sponsored by them.
Yeah, we could.
We could be sponsored by that,and then it would at least make
sense.
But if there's AbbVie, pfizer,lily ads running during our uh
lives, people, right, get getdown but do the bleepity blop in
the comments there and tell usif uh, tell us what ads you see
during these videos so we canfigure out who's paying us.

(30:15):
Besides, so far the ones I'mgetting reported are scientology
, uh, top gun, missionimpossible.
Those are the ones the ads thatare running during my job.
Yep, exactly, oh, my goodness,what else did I have?
So I got switzerland, dannymasterson, the is event, um, sp
tv.
Yeah, the sp tv thing is a is abit of a phenomena that I'm not

(30:37):
sure.
I'm not sure how osa could evenwatch all the videos.
I mean, I can't even watch allthe videos I.
I mean, I can't even watch allthe videos I go.
If I log in, I get to work,I've opened up my YouTube and if
somebody's live I'll just putthe video on while I sit there
working and I'll listen.
And if they say something I'llkind of go in the chat or
something and I kind of justhave it playing all day.
And the different channels,like Clearwater, chad and Denver

(31:00):
, stevo and Marilyn and Kellyand you know all the different
channels they see me pop inthere every once in a while.
I could not imagine having totranscribe and record every
single possible video.
It would be.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think all of OSA.
I don't think that they canpossibly do that at this point.
I think that probably what theyhave is some sort of program
that auto transcribes yeah.
So TV or the SMP has a softwareprogram that they're using to
do that Right, and it's probablyfairly gobbled because there's

(31:36):
a lot of weird nomenclature thatgets used in these things, so
it's probably pretty messy inthese things, so it's probably
pretty messy.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
And then the best one is that if you say, if you say
David Miscavige or you say DavidMiscarriage, it'll do it.
But if you say David Miscavigeand you say his name, right, it
AI will still say McCabbage.
All nine out of 10, it'll sayMcCabbage, mccabbage, mccabbage.
I use AI all the time to dostuff for my podcast and it

(32:08):
literally I thought I taught itafter a while because you can
correct it and tell it.
This is the way it is.
But every once in a while it'llpop out of McCabbage on me and
I'll be like, oh man.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Yeah, and then I think there's probably a few
people that are assigned thetask of skimming through them
and like highlighting when andthey probably have some flags,
like when Masterson getsmentioned, when Miscavige gets
mentioned, like certain thingsget mentioned, they flag them,

(32:44):
but it's still, it'soverwhelming, like I said, the
dam and the fingers in the damnot able to keep up with the
leaks that are springing, andthere is more of them every day,
literally, like literally everyday, there's new things that

(33:05):
show up that you go oh wow,here's another one.
Oh wow, here's someone else.
Oh wow, another person speakingout.
Oh, another article.
Oh, another YouTube channel.
Oh, another YouTube video.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
Another book thinking about the other day, mike was
if OSA can't stop a thing inSwitzerland from happening just
because they didn't send anybody, all this SPTV stuff is just
unbridled.
They can't do anything aboutthat.
The things that they do need todo, like our lawsuits, they
have to really have their shittogether to be able to.

(33:41):
I mean, at the end of the day,they're paying lawyers, but a
lot of the dirty work and a lotof the make the lawsuit stop
work.
That's not the lawyer'sdepartment, that's OSA's
department.
That's where they are trying tomake backroom deals, to make
like, let's, let's give anexample, like if you have a
family member in Scientologythat you wanted to talk to and

(34:04):
now you're suing Scientology oryou're bringing a lawsuit
against Scientology, scientology, osa would go to that family
member and say you need to talkto your relative and tell him
that if he drops a lawsuit, thenyou can talk and everything's
good, yeah, and this whole thingwill go away.
And if that doesn't work, thenit's like it's check writing

(34:27):
time, like, okay, we need, osaneeds to figure out how we're
going to pay this person and notdo it through the lawyers,
because then it'll, the lawyerswill get paid and OSA doesn't
want to pay the lawyers.
They want to pay off the peoplethat are suing them and make it
so.
There's no kind of judgment orsettlement.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
They don't want there to be a paper trail, they just
want to make it disappear, whichreminds me Mark of something
else that came up recently thatwas another indicator of the
demise of the Office of SpecialAffairs, rosemary Chickwack,
that they just paid the fullamount with a check or a deposit

(35:13):
into her account.
Yeah, like they didn't eventell her Asking for a release,
not even asking for one.
This is like unheard of one.
This is like unheard of.
There was many, many, many,many times when the hold up to
resolving one of thesesituations was there absolutely

(35:37):
had to be a release.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
We're going to write the check, but they got to sign
a document.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
This is all going to go away, but you must sign a
release and if the personblocked on it, it didn't happen.
Yeah, and that was basicallythe operating policy of OSA for
the entire time that I was there.
I don't think that we ever paidanyone to get and settle

(36:04):
litigation without a release andusually a gag order.
Yeah, not only the release.
Yeah, so you can't sue us foranything in the future, you
can't, so you won't even talk.
Yes, and that was that was very, very, very firm policy.
It has gotten to the point nowof they don't even ask for it

(36:28):
and that, to me, is probably thebiggest indicator that OSA is
floundering.
I mean floundering not eventrying, not even trying to get a
release.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And they direct deposited it into her account.
There wasn't a check, therewasn't anything.
It literally like she went andlogged into her account and
there was a lot of money therethat wasn't there before, and
that's the other thing.
It wasn't a negotiated amount,it was the total amount that
they had taken from her, and itwas.

(37:04):
And they could have said it was800,000.
Who knows.
And they could have said it was$800,000.
Who knows what they could havesaid.
That's the part that's kind ofcrazy to me.
They sent Graham Berry or thelawyers or whoever did it, sent
them a letter saying this is theamount and they just direct
deposited that amount into heraccount.
To me that's insane.

(37:24):
Yep, and like you said, saidand they have nothing, they gave
her the money back.
And this is another thing.
Guys, if you steal a bunch ofmoney from somebody and they say
you stole the money from themand you did it on over state
lines and used credit cards andall this, the crime is done, the

(37:45):
crime has been committed.
If you send the money back tothem, that doesn't undo it,
doesn't walk back the crime.
It just it proves that you didthe crime really.
It just it.
Basically it's like oh, this isthe amount.
The omission of guilt yeah,this is the amount that you said
that they stole from you andthis is the amount of guilt yeah
, this is the amount that yousaid that they stole from you

(38:05):
and this is the amount that they, just out of nowhere, just
deposited into your account.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Right.
So, and the best they could dowas draft a letter from some
person that nobody has everheard of to say we don't really
have to give you this money, buthere it is.
Yeah, that was it.
Yeah.
I didn't even know why theybothered with that.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I know that was the best part.
We don't have to do this, butwe're going to do it because
you're on YouTube right nowtelling the story full time, and
there's 700,000 people who'venow seen this.
Yeah, we don't have to do it.
We don't have to do it, butwe're such nice guys.
We're going to throw you a boneand give you back all the money
that we stole from you.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Right, I just want to go back to this UK thing, yes,
and the IES event, because youknow we've been talking about
how we're going to do anaftermath fundraiser to coincide
with that event.
I just want to get in a plug forthat, yes, um, and that maybe
we will have, uh, some sort ofreport from the activities

(39:16):
outside of the saint hill.
Um, maybe live, but I don'tknow that the timing will work
out exactly.
We'll see.
But I don't want everybody toget their hopes up that what is
going to happen is that ApostateAlex's road closure is going to
be approved and it is going tocause havoc for that event,

(39:40):
because the people who you know,the people in East Grinstead
who are responsible for thissort of stuff, including the
police and the council, andwhoever those people are, they
know how these events go.
They know and they've seen themfor many, many years.

(40:03):
They know that these buses comein from all over Europe and
there are maybe 50 buses thatare at St Hill at that time.
Because I mean, I just saw anad yesterday from Malmo or
somewhere where they say for 20euros, you can get on our bus to

(40:25):
St Hill and back for 20 euros,for 20 bucks.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, that's insane From Sweden.
Yeah, yeah, how far is that?

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Well it's, I don't know, it's probably a seven or
eight hours to drive, but thepoint is that they go.
It's probably seven or eighthours to drive, but the point is
that they go.
They are so desperate to makesure that they have people at
this event.
Yes, that the vast majority ofpeople at the IS event in the
United Kingdom are not from theUnited Kingdom.

(41:01):
Yes, that's true.
In fact, if every Scientologistin the United Kingdom showed up
for that event, they wouldstill be a tiny minority.
It'd be a flap that only thatmany people showed up.
But so they bring them in fromall over the place.
And so everybody the police andeverybody knows that there is a
whole bunch of these buses thatare going to pull up on Friday

(41:23):
afternoon, like the first eventknows that there is a whole
bunch of these buses that aregoing to pull up on friday
afternoon, like the.
The first event is on fridaynight.
Okay, so they arrive on fridayafternoon.
They leave in the morning fromwherever they are in europe.
If they're coming from spainand italy, they probably have to
leave the night before, driveall the way through the night
and then arrive.
But this it would be.

(41:44):
It would be chaos if the streetor the road in front of saint
hill was closed and there were50 buses accumulating.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
That's what I'm saying that's as soon as he said
he had he was, uh, applying forroad closures for the safety of
the protesters.
That says that's exactly what.
What came to my mind was one ofthose giant buses trying to get
down the road.
And then it's like nope,because if you're in a car and
you just you know you're in amini cooper and there's a road

(42:17):
and you're out of there, but ifyou're one of those buses and
there's 48 buses behind you, Iknow there's that's why I'm
saying I don't think that theywill close the roads for that
reason, because they think thatthey will view that as a public
safety issue.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
that is a greater of greater concern to them.
Yeah, because the road in, asyou know, mark, the road in
front of saint hill, just justgoes from St Hill Green up to
the main road into EastGrinstead.
It's about a mile long give ortake.
If the buses back up to thatroad that goes on either end

(42:56):
that goes actually the road intoEast Grinstead it will be havoc
and that will be a lot lessthan 50 buses required to
accomplish that.
So I don't believe that theywill close the road.

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I believe that it will be—, but if they don't have
a—there's no event right now.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
Well, they know that there is an event coming,
they're going to go down to StHill.
Know that there is an eventcoming, they're going to go down
to St Hill.
Somebody Massimo Anguius or oneof the people from OSA is going
to show up and say oh, we're sosorry, we forgot.
And you know they filed it everyyear before and it was just
because of something or other.
They'll come up with someexcuse and they'll go look, we

(43:43):
can't create this issue, andthey will win that argument.
I believe that's what my beliefis that they will prevail, and
probably sensibly so, like goodsense will prevail in that.
From the perspective of EastGrinstead.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
But then do you think that Alex's people won't be
able to protest?
No, no, no, no.
They will still be able toprotest, but there just won't be
a road closure for it.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Right, that's what I believe or they will cordon off
a section that encroaches in theroad, so it's only one-way
traffic.
Theoretically, that road istwo-way, but two buses.
They have to back up to get toa spot where it's wide enough.

Speaker 1 (44:34):
Well, it'd have to be right at that part where the
gate is, because it kind of fansout right there, right.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
And there's three gates into St Hill.
Yeah, you know that, that'strue.
There's the main one at the top, where the parking lot is,
where everybody tries to go,yeah, and then there is the
manor gate, which is notsupposed to be used by anybody.
And then there is the gate atthe stables down the bottom
which connects Isn't?

Speaker 1 (44:59):
that where the parking goes.
Don't they have a big fieldwhere everybody parks in?
That's at the top, okay.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, that's at the top.
So I just don't want everybodythinking okay, well, what's
going to happen is that thewhole event is going to be
messed up and disrupted becausethe road's going to be closed
and nobody's going to be able toget in.
They're not going to do that.
I don't believe I just don'tbelieve that that will happen.

(45:27):
Have created a situation withwhoever the powers that be are,
where they're not going to behappy with them because they've
put them in an untenableposition, because if they deny
you know, alex's applications,he's going to rightfully say,

(45:49):
hey, this is we did it right andthey did it wrong.
And you're siding with them,you're siding with Scientology,
and I guarantee you there'll bea reporter from the Daily Mail
or some other public the Sun orthe Mirror or one of the other
tabloids in the UK who will lovethis story.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They will love it.
They will think that this isjust a great story about how the
Scientologists got specialfavors from the East Grinstead
City Council or whoever it is,and that they're in the pocket
of the cult.
Yeah, so they got to be carefulabout how they go about doing

(46:34):
it.
But you know, I got to saykudos to apostate Alex for doing
it the right way and then alsofor discovering that Scientology
was not doing it the right way.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Yeah, I don't know, We'll see what happens.
I mean, I really, I really aminterested.
And the other thing is that, ifso, like like I was saying
earlier, if all these things aregoing on like this, that's good
.
That it's OSA's fluff in theduff right now and I'm sorry,
OSA, but this will get thisvideo, Dave somehow this video

(47:10):
will get to Dave and you knowhow this goes on the inside.
Dave will say even the SPs knowthat you guys are fluffing the
duff.
They just said it in a video youknow, like even the SPs are
saying what's going on with OSA?
Why aren't they doing their job?
Okay, like, hey, osa, you'resupposed to be on the stick here

(47:31):
, but I think that theselawsuits are going to go
horribly sideways for them ifthey're doing this on the
rudimentary things.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Well, they lost.
I mean they lost their appealin the UK also on the exempt
status.
Yeah, you know it hasn't beengoing well.
They can't manage to preventthe Danny Masterson civil case
from going forward.
As much as they wanted to tryto have that held indefinitely

(48:02):
in abeyance, they didn't pullthat off.
So things are not lookingreally rosy on any front in the
OSA world.
Not one, not nothing, nothing,not media, not PR, even Marty J
world Not one, nothing, nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Not media, not PR, not legal.
Even Marty jumped ship.
Even Marty jumped ship.
Even Marty's working foranother team.
Now Somebody said Marty foundJesus and he's doing life
coaching or something.
I was like what, what is goingon?
Are we in Bizarro World rightnow?
Yep, yep, yep.
Oh my goodness, should we dosome questions?

(48:37):
Sure, okay, let's see here.
Yeah, okay, yvonne says sohappy for you.
Mike, thanks for sharing yourwonderful news.
Oh, yeah, that's right.
You guys did that video, wasthat yesterday?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah, that was last night.
Nice, that's a.
That video Was that yesterday?
Yeah, that was last night.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Nice, kristi and I.
That's a great video.
Super Storm Day I got my littleCaptain Davey doo-doo last week
.
Oh, goody, goody, if youhaven't, I don't have a little
thing.
Look, you covered mine up.
Hold on what?
Oh, he's up there.
He's in the SPTV corner here.

(49:14):
Watch this, there you go.
Watch, there you go.
Now you can see him.
Um, we got, uh, yeah, a littleDavey doll up there on the
corner.
Um, if you haven't gotten yourDavey doll, you got to get it
quick.
Where they're selling outpretty quick, they're selling um
very steadily.
Um, they kept in, uh, daveypants, whatever we call them.
There's so many names now FakeNavy Davy that's my favorite.

(49:37):
You can go to the spshopcom andget yourself a fake Navy Davy.
Catherine, catherine, hello,Mark and Mike.
I just finished your book, mark.
Thank you so much, you've donegood.
Would love a part two, mike,you're on my list of books to
read.
Thank you so much.
You done good.
Would love a part two, mike,you're on my list of books to
read.
My thank you, catherine.
I appreciate it, mrs.

(50:01):
Mr, mrs T Rush, t Roosh this isT Roosh.
I'm always trying to see ifthere's some hidden meaning in
these names that just look likeMrs T Roosh.
Why didn't Andres go to prisonfor at least tampering with a
witness, if not kidnapping?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
I actually don't know the answer to that.
I think they focused on thehigher ups, like the people that
got prosecuted by the DOJ werethe top of the Guardian's office
.
Yeah, kind of, not the flunkies.
So that's just my supposition,I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
He's a whale now.
He's a big high roller inClearwater Guardian's office
agents everywhere.
Henning Heldt was the same way.
Henning Heldt was in theGuardian's office.
I think he was one of the onesthat went to prison.
Yes, he was.
Henning Heldt was theheadmaster of the school that I
went to, delphi in Los Angeles.
He was the headmaster after hegot out of prison for

(51:02):
infiltrating the United Statesgovernment.
Yep Special qualifications tobe a Scientology principal, you
have to have at least done someprison time.
I guess Mike was Mary Sue'sreplacement.
Well, kind of, actually, yeah,I know that's a good point.
Really I was thinking like no,and I was like, actually, he
kind of.
Was actually, he really kind of.

(51:24):
Was you really were Mike, ifyou think eventually, yeah, yeah
, you were that WDC.
Oh, so, which is might as wellbeen the Guardians, what do you
call it?
The Guardians?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
CSG CSG Commodore Staff Guardian yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Wow, yeah, good job.
Ann Taylor, you're exactlyright.
We never, even no one's ever,said that before.
That's true.
It was 100% accurate.
Thank you for that Peytonquestion.
Is it true that there is a neworg opening in Mexico?
If you happen to know, yes, itis true, and they've been
building.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
No, it's not a new org, it's a new building.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
Yeah, but they've been building that thing for
like 10 years, 15 years, right?
Isn't that the one theycouldn't?
They wouldn't, Mexico wouldn'tallow them to work on for years
and years.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Well, that that was the AO, but there was another
one, and you know they all havethese weird names.
But there is a building there.
I got a picture of it the otherday and you know they're
progressing on renovating it.
They've done their CGIrendition of it like seven years
ago and it is starting to lookkind of like the CGI rendition.

(52:34):
Finally, but eventually,they'll get that completed.
But how long before?
I mean, chicago has beensitting there done for two years
.
Yeah, apparently, portElizabeth is done and Austin is
done.
These buildings and they'repaying rent To Scientology.

(52:57):
Scientology is paying rent tolocate these orgs in strip malls
somewhere off in Never, neverLand, while their building that
they have spent tens of millionsof dollars to purchase and
renovate sits completely emptybecause David Miscavige can't

(53:20):
get there to open the buildingand they can't hire the staff
that will give them enoughpeople to have one person for
every four rooms, one person forevery four rooms.

(53:41):
So this program, this Ideologprogram, is the biggest failure
in the history of Scientology.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Well, not to mention the fact that even if he did
show up and open the org,there's nobody going to go into
it.
It's going to just sit thereand be empty.
There's nobody going to go intoit.
It's going to just sit thereand be empty.
And, in actual fact, from allthe people that have been part
of these orgs, that were in astrip mall and then went to the
ideal org, if you ask thesestaff members yeah, if you ask
these staff members they hadmore people coming into the org

(54:07):
when it was next to the donutshop in between the the the dog
groomer.
They had more people coming inwhen they were in that spot.
And when they moved into thebig giant building in the middle
of nowhere that had no foottraffic, then they stopped
getting anybody at all and itwas just the handful of people
that just come, no matter wherethey are, they just show up.
You know Yep Professionalstudents.

(54:30):
Yeah, I don't know about thisone in Mexico.
We'll have to find out aboutthat.
John Edgecombe, henning andMary Helt went on Delphi staff
after getting booted from GEO.
I don't know about a Mary Helt,but I know that Henning Helt
was 100% the headmaster ofDelphi Los Angeles and then,
actually after that, he went onto work for Craig Jensen, who

(54:56):
worked at a company calledExecutive Software that made the
disk defragmenter program forMicrosoft Windows, and then they
called it something else afterthat.
I can't remember, but eitherway he worked at a big
Scientology software company thebig Scientology software
company that was owned by.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
That's because Craig Jensen was the deputy guardian
legal for the United States.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
You are blowing my mind right now.
Craig Jensen, the head of thesoftware company, was also in
the guardian's office.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
Yes, and he got booted out of the guardian's
office for being on watch whenthey accepted service for L Ron
Hubbard.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
No way.
Yes, so he's literally justbeen making amends for the last
four years.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Well, Craig Jensen, to begin with was not allowed to
go onto OTA because of that,Even after he gave millions and
millions of dollars.
No, that was before he gavemillions and millions of dollars
.
He started giving millions andmillions of dollars and then
they let him do OTA I think itwas the second maiden voyage or

(56:01):
something and he showed up andMiscavige saw him and it was
like get this guy the fuck outof here.
Like seriously.
It was like, yes, craig Jensenwas like persona non grata, wow.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Until he was done.
Yeah, one of his daughters wasa Sea Org member for a while.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I know, I know he got back into good graces with
enough checks.
Wow, no idea.
So executive software becamethe go-to place for ex-Seorg
members to be shuffled into,because they would be watched
there and they would report toKirsten.
What's happening with Joe Blow?

(56:45):
What's happening with Jackson?
What's happening with Jackson?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Jackson when he went from security chief in base, he
left the Sea Org and he startedworking at executive software so
they could keep tabs on himEven though he wasn't in the Sea
Org.
They have Scientologists thathave companies and they put Sea
Org members and that's the otherthing.
They can pay them almostnothing and it's still a hundred

(57:09):
times what they're making inthe Sea.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Org.
Right, and just to go back,mary Helt was Henning's wife.
Yeah, and she was in theGuardian's office US at the same
time that Henning Helt was thedeputy guardian for the United
States and she did end upsomewhere at Delphi, but I can't
remember where.
Huh, you know their daughter,lettie, was the receptionist at

(57:36):
the sandcastle.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I know I learned how to drive in letty's car back in
1988.
She had a little french le car,a little red le car and a
gentleman by the name of jasonwalker shot, taught me how to
drive in a parking lot of thecountryside mall one afternoon
and it was in lettytie's car.
But yes, I knew that Lettie.
She joined the Sea Org as soonas she got out of Delphi.

(58:00):
She went to Delphi, oregon,right, and I think as soon as
she graduated she joined the SeaOrg.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
But she was never allowed to do any position
Because she was Henning'sdaughter.
Because she was Henning'sdaughter, so she was the
receptionist and she wasactually a pretty competent,
bright girl, easy on the eyestoo.
Yeah, she was very pretty, Imean anyway.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Unbelievable.
So many stories, lisa in thesky.
Mu Question Was John Safranever on COS OSA radar for his
Xenu LRH Beck skits in 2004?
Would love to see SPTV do reactvideos on those skits.

(58:43):
I've never heard of this.
No, me either.
I'll have to look into that,lisa.
A lot of the spy files that Ihave are from 2004, 2005, 2006,
and I haven't seen anything inthere about that, so I haven't
searched.
I'm not familiar with that nameat all.
Yeah, we'll have to look.
Thank you for the super chat.
Anthony Spurgeon blown for good.
Scientology exposed.
Who is the head of OSA right now?

(59:04):
I think it's Linda Hamill.
Linda Hamill, and you knowLinda Hamill, you know what?
That's exactly right.
Linda Hamill did it, um, somekind of something recently,
within the last few months shedid some.
She's made some kind ofstatement for something and it
was like something in a legalcase.
Yeah, and I remembered that abunch of the spy files,

(59:25):
documents, are from Linda, yes,and I was like, oh, this person
is not the person who needs tobe writing this.
We have so many good documentsto cover from her, so I'll have
to find that and put them up.
Like this is the same personwho said this?
Okay, the person is like oh,we're all for human rights and
it's like we're going to start awar with you if you don't stop

(59:47):
talking about us.
John Satowski says, Mike, willChristy allow you to eat fudge?
Oh, watch out for this, mike.
You've got to answer this veryquest.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Uh, carefully, uh I don't like fudge this to john.
I'm not a fudge eater.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Oh he's not a fudge, you know there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
You know that, mark, I'm not a chocolate.
Oh, I know, I'm not at all I'mnot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:11):
I like brownies but I'm not so big on fudge.
But this fudge from Uranus wasvery good.
The best fudge comes fromUranus.
John Satowski, thank you verymuch for that.
I guess it's a no-go.
On the fudge from Mike John,you got to figure something else
out.
Okay, Boda29, have you ever readChaos by Tom O'Neill?

(01:00:33):
Speaks of corruption in LAPD,LA Sheriff's Office, DA office
pretends to be shocked duringthe Manson trial.
Wild and intriguing.
Huh, I haven't heard of that Meeither.
At least 15 years that I knowof the whole entire time.

(01:00:59):
Um, that I was at the either inLos Angeles on the Hollywood
building, uh, Hollywood Mark you.
Uh, I adjusted the mic and Imuted myself.
Um, ever since.
Um, that the entire time I wasat the end base and when I was
in Los Angeles, Lee Baca wouldalmost every year ride in the
Scientology's float, the way tohappiness float in the Hollywood

(01:01:19):
Christmas parade and wave, andthey'd stick.
You know whoever it was Sophia,Milos, or you know whoever the
celebrity, what's that guy'sname?
The Pena guy, Michael Pena, orwhoever in there with him?
Um, yeah, I don't know aboutthis.
Uh, tom o'neill, though peopleare like really throwing all

(01:01:40):
kinds of uh things at us that wedon't know about.
Rev girl I encourage everyone towrite rtckrs.
You can actually go to the rtcwebsite, religious technology
centerorg, and you can write aknowledge report right on their
website.
Uh, definitely bag up and use avpn if you're going to the
Scientology's directly to one oftheir sites, though that's not
a good idea to go in unprotected.

(01:02:00):
See my tutorial at rev girl 9.
It's easy and we could keepthem busy.
Oh, so will love the attention.
I don't really know if you goto RTC's website and write a KR
I I don't really know If you goto RTC's website and write a KR.
I don't know how they reallyhandle that.
It's probably just kind of it'slike a spam.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
It depends on what it says.
If the KR is clearly, you knowa joke or an attempt to get
their goat, then they will justignore it.
If, on the other hand, one wereto go in there and write a
carefully worded knowledgereport about something that had

(01:02:42):
been observed concerning one ofthe whales of Scientology, they
probably would wonder whetherthey needed to do some
investigation, and that couldkeep them busy for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Yeah, especially if you know something that OSA
don't know, right that would belegitimately, that would keep
them busy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
So there are a bunch of people that have written to
me recently saying, well, Iworked at this place and I
worked at that place and this iswhat they were doing and this
is how they were treating peopleand this is the the assaults
that were occurring and like alot, a lot of this stuff.
And you know, hey, rtc wants toknow about that sort of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, they really do.
There used to be a $10,000reward If you knew of a crime
that happened within Scientologyor within a wise company or
something like that, and youreported it and it led, uh like
no, it was trademarks andcopyrights.
If you, if somebody, wasmisusing um Scientology
copyrights or trademarks, it wasthat.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
And then there was a policy that says if someone
tries to blackmail you forsomething, yeah, and you turn
them in.
Yeah, you get a reward forturning them in and we'll deal
with the blackmail.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Really, yeah, wow, craziness.
Free Zinu project of Farsak.
So there's no, it's not TGA.
This is not the free Zenuproject of TGA, this is a Farsec
.
That's where psychiatrists areborn and what planet they come
from.
Mike, I have a question whenyou were in OSA, what kind of
response would you have gottenfrom little Davey with his fake

(01:04:29):
space Navy for coming to him?
Oh, for say this stream, notgood.
Yeah.
For say this stream, uh, notgood, yeah you would.
You would essentially have toreport.
You'd have to do a summary ofwhat we talked about, and it
wouldn't be details, it wouldjust be like uh, this guy, mark,
mike and mark went over a bunchof they would just say black pr

(01:04:53):
on david, miscaviger on cob,osa would write that and then it
would go up to Mike and thenMike would have to kind of say a
little further.
There was a video.
Yeah, there was a video.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
That was done and there were some taking care of
it.
We're investigating these guysand everything is in hand.
And don't worry, sir, your goodname is being preserved at all
costs.
We're working 24-7 to make surethat these people are put out
of business.
You know, it's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
There was a video.
We did a film and I'll probablycover this with Mitch, but we
did a film with a girl at Gold.
We did a film with an actressat Golden Era Productions and
she was in a movie called theMarried Couple and we had shot
this whole movie with this woman, this actress.

(01:05:47):
And then, when the movie wasbeing edited, dave wrote to me
because I was the pre-productiondirector at Golden Era
Productions, and he wrote to meand says, hey, why is the girl
that you guys just shot thisfilm with, why is she in porn
movies on Cinemax at fouro'clock in the morning?
And I'm like, yeah, why are youwatching?

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Why are you watching?

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Skinemax at four o'clock in the morning.
That's really the milliondollar question here.
But it was on Cinemax orShowtime or something.
It was an X movie that she wasin but there was an R version of
it that came out on DVD and shehanded that in to the talent
department and said I was inthis video.

(01:06:29):
And she gave the R version andthey looked at it and it was
like that's not really anything,it's just kind of insinuated
activities thing.
It's like just kind ofinsinuated um activities.
But the one that davidmiscavige watched on cinemax,
all of that insinuation wasthere in full technicolor glory
and um, and so, um, I had towatch the thing for research

(01:06:50):
purposes, I had to see what hewas, what he saw.
So I got the version that thathe watched and um, and then I
just told him I literally justmade up oh, that's the last time
Cinemax is scheduled to airthat thing and it's not gonna.
It's not gonna air anymoreafter this.
And um, cause I knew I was likehow is this going to keep going
?
This is not a.

(01:07:11):
He can't keep going down thisroad.
Like, hey, dude, two months agoyou told me this wasn't going
to be on and I just watched itthree more times.
You know, like I was like howis this going to not be a thing?
How is this even a thing?
And um, they aired that movielike another 500 times after I
wrote that report anyway, oh my.

(01:07:32):
So I'm pretty sure the osa guysI could see in the spy files.
I can see how Kirsten talks tosomebody, the person that she
talks to in the spy files.
They spice up the story alittle and they add their in to
make themselves look good.
Then when Kirsten writes thereport, she spices it up a
little and then when it goes toLinda, linda adds her little

(01:07:56):
spin to it and then when it getsto you, you take out all the
fat and then you summarize itComplete bullshit.
And then that's what goes toDave and I'm like, oh my God,
this story was.
It's like telephone game, butwith like Scientology's mixed in
with it.
Yep, king Cobra, 357.

(01:08:17):
Nice to see you, mike, up andrunning.
I've had issues watching vidsof Mike since the announcement
of the Big C.
I hope your health is adequate.
Yeah, king Cobra, thank you.
He did a video yesterday.
You gotta get over to hischannel and watch that one.
Everything's good now, as goodas it can be right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Actually, if you're not watching on my channel right
now, get out of Headless andcome on over to mine.
Yeah, king Cobra, mine's muchmore friendly than Headless.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
Yeah, his subscribe button is nice and furry, it's
like felt.
Okay, touch that, rub hislittle, rub the kitty, rub the
kitty.
Okay, here we go.
Laura, laura Font, please sayhi to Lucy.
She is having a moment andneeds a pick-me-up.
Oh, hey, lucy, hi Lucy.

(01:09:03):
Lucy, come on, man, take iteasy.
It's okay, everything's good,everything will be fine.
Yeah, lucy, if there's onething I've learned after being
around so long, everything'sgoing to work out.
Okay, it's going to work out.
Okay, it's going to work out.
Don't get too worked up overanything at any given time here.
Thank you for that, laura.
Feel better, lucy, amelia Sevensuper chat.

(01:09:25):
Awesome Super sticker.
Thank you, you can ask aquestion next time if you want.
Mex AO got a dig permit for onemillion cuffed of dirt.
Cubic feet, oh, cubic feet ofdirt.
Mex AO got a dig permit for onemillion cubic feet of dirt.
I'm telling you they're justpouring money.

(01:09:45):
It would be one thing if theywere stealing the money and then
they were spending it on likerehoming the homeless or, you
know, reintegrating all theseabandoned Scientologists back
into society.
They're literally just buildingbuildings that no one ever goes
into and no one ever doesanything.
It's just a giant waste ofeverybody's time and money.
Keisha Mark has been fishingagain.
How was the catch, keisha?

(01:10:06):
We saw a ton of mountain.
What are they called Bullhornsheep?
We saw an otter.
We got four nibbles.
No catches.
This is a hotspot spot for us.
Last time we got seven fish and, yes, that is why I'm so red.
I've been fishing with my, myyoungest son, all day today.
And, um, and I wore mysunglasses up like this because
I didn't want to get raccooneyes, and so I got raccoon eyes

(01:10:28):
here and here, and so thatdidn't work out the way I
planned at all.
And um, it was supposed to bereally cold and it ended up
being kind of sunny and I wasunprepared.
Sorry about that.
Sorry, I'm so red.
In a few days I'll be goodagain.
Jennifer M questioned doesanyone question the reaction and
thoughts of DM are veryparanoid?

(01:10:50):
Well— no, nobody questions that.
No one questions it.
It does seem that he's paranoid.
Even when we were there, hewould tell us we were
suppressives, a few times a weekat least.
I'm pretty sure he wouldthreaten to disband the property
.
Yeah, we were always out to gethim.
Everybody was out to get him isthat?

(01:11:13):
If he got given a water bottleand the top even looked suspect,
like it had been cracked andresealed or something, he would
literally just throw it to theside and be like give me another
one.
And I thought, like you thinkwe're going to open up your
water, you think that's how it'sgoing to go down?
I was like I'm pretty sure,when it happens, it ain't going
to be the water bottle.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
Or one of those stupid protein bars that he used
to eat.
Oh yeah, pure.
Was it pure protein?
What were they called?
I can't remember what they werecalled.
I remember the water, but Idon't remember the name.
Yeah, but the and, and theywould be uh like, carefully
prepared but not actually fullyopened.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Yes, but like ready to be readily open, actually
easily open yes, I remember thattoo.
It was such a weird thing.
You know, when David Miscavigewould come because he would have
meetings in my workspace likethe place where I was my jobs to
have a meeting, he would meetin that conference room where I

(01:12:12):
was supposed to have my meetings, was supposed to have my
meetings, so and it was.
There was an L Ron Hubbardpolicies that said I had to have
certain meetings every week andevery during a film, and we had
to have these certain things,and if we didn't do it,
inevitably Dave would be the onethat would light us up for not
doing it, and so he would meetin the place where we were
supposed to do it, and then wecouldn't meet there.
But a little SWAT team wouldcome in the conference room

(01:12:34):
before he'd get there and theythere'd be cigarettes and waters
and ashtrays and you know, thetrash would be emptied and they
would.
They would literally go throughthe whole room and make it
ready, and if there was a smellin that room that they couldn't
deal with, then that meetingwould get moved to another room.
It'd be like, oh, there's justsomething not right in here and
it would be like, okay, it'sgoing to be in the other place

(01:12:55):
and you'd be like, oh, we got togo to another building because
there's a stink in this one.
But, uh, yeah, no, they do.
Uh, he is very paranoid.
Vanderella, are ashton kutcherand his wife scientologist?
I don't think they are.
I just think that, um, they'revery, um, they're very
knowledgeable of dannymasterson's uh goings-ons and

(01:13:20):
other probably unoptimumgoing-ons that they were
involved with over the years.
That's what that's my from they, from the, from the people that
I've spoken to, um, that is, uh, that's what's going on.
Donna rose, any update on bobferris?
Um, the only update that wehave is that he is still alive
and that has been confirmed.

(01:13:41):
Right, that was really the lastthing.
He is now claiming to no longerwant to see anybody, or not
need to see anybody, even thoughthey were looking for him
feverishly a few months ago andthey didn't know where he was.
And now, all of a sudden, uh,he's back there and he's totally
fine.
Matt elliott maa.

(01:14:02):
So, sptv canada uh, mark's onthe tv, mike render on the
computer, and it's 22 hours.
From stockholm, sweden, to eastgrinstead holy moly, 22 hours.
I knew it, I knew it, it was,it was.
I took a train.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
But Stockholm's further away than Malmo.
Okay but I mean, I took.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
I know, but I was in Copenhagen and I had to take a
train to Malmo to get somespeakers and it was like hours
and hours just to get to Malmo.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Hours and hours to get to Malmo from.
I'm pretty sure it was Maybetwo.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
What's on the other side of the flying, what's on
the flying boat when you go fromDenmark to Sweden?
What's that?
Malmo or Gothenburg?
Yeah, gothenburg.
And then when I got toGothenburg, then I had to take a
train to Malmo.
It was at least three hours, Ithink, okay, there was no bridge
.
Malmo, it was at least threehours, I think, okay, there was
no bridge.
All right, well, whatever, 22hours is a long bus ride.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Those poor suckers are getting a $20 bus ride to
hell.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
You couldn't pay me.
You couldn't pay me $2,000 toget on that bus.
That's a long time.
Now I'm doing the math, I'dprobably charge you $10,000 for
that trip.
I'm trying to think now.
Now I'm doing the math, I'dprobably charge you 10K for that
trip.
Matt's Caustic comments.
Mark, I made an unboxing videofor Fake Navy Davey.
I won on Denver Stevo chat.

(01:15:26):
He runs into trouble with MikeRinder bobblehead.
Please check it out.
Okay, where do I see it?
You got to send me a link orsomething.
I made an unboxing video I.
You got to send me a link orsomething.
I made an unboxing video.
I want to.
Okay, I'll look.
You got to send me a link.
Send us where it is.
Yeah, maybe just type in fakeNavy unboxing.
Sherry, alex was not asking forwhole road closed for the whole

(01:15:49):
time, just the time that theyare marching down from starting
point to the final destination.

Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Okay, that makes sense.
Yeah, I get that destination.
Okay, that makes sense.
Yeah, I get that too.
That could well be granted.
Yeah, we'll see.
It's just like a 10 or 15minute time.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
Yeah, but even the fact that there's a protest
happening during the event,that's a huge flap, don't worry,
that alone is an RPF assignment, just that part.
If that guy gets the roadclosed, it's just the number of
people that fall into this holeis going to depend on what
actually happens that day.
Right, exactly, free Zinuproject to Farsack.
Do you think Boss Baby Daveyrealizes when he keeps putting

(01:16:26):
OSA members in the hole orwherever no one can man SPTV, or
wherever no one can man SPTV?

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
I don't.
He doesn't care about that sortof shit.
That's someone else's problemto deal with.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Yeah, I really don't think the only thing that I know
, mike, that I that I was goingto ask you about is usually,
when these sort of things happen, the pressure that gets put on
people is what makes them pop.
So, like you were, you wereassigned to John Sweeney um,

(01:17:00):
cause he was doing that show forpanorama and it was going to be
a big flap and he'd alreadytalked to a bunch of us.
You're still on the inside.
He's already talking to a bunchof SPs.
He's already got, he alreadyknows, we already know, it's not
going to be the best showScientology's ever seen.
And he sent you to go deal withit.
And then he didn't like whatyou did.

(01:17:20):
And then he basically told youyou're toast.
When you get back here, you'retoast.
No, he told me I'm not comingback there.
Okay, so he told you youweren't coming back.
And so this essentially, younow have nothing to lose, right?
That's exactly right.
You go, okay, I'm not going tosee my um, my kids, ever again.

(01:17:42):
I'm not going to see my wifeever again, and I, if I, if I,
if I stay here, then I willnever make it back there.
He will make sure, and you knowthat he will do this because
you've seen him do it to otherpeople.
He just disappears, people.
And then you think, oh, I'mgoing to get back, I'm going to.
But you know you're nevergetting back.
It's never, you're.
You've, you've already triedhis last, uh, patience, his last

(01:18:06):
little bit, and it's nevergoing to work out.
And so then you go, okay, I'mout, and that's what happened to
me.
It's like, oh, I'm not going toever see Claire again, I'm
never going to be able to speakto my family again.
So it's like, okay, peace out,I'm done, this is, I'm not, I'm
not going to play it, I'm notgoing to play.
If we're not going to play itfair, well then I'm not going to
play, I'm going to leave, I'mgoing to take my ball, I'm going
to go, I'm leaving, exactly.

(01:18:27):
So usually that happens whenthese things lawsuits and TV
shows and magazine articles andDanny.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
Masterson, when the flaps get bigger, the pressure
gets hotter and the people whoare under that pressure tend to
explode.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Yeah, they can't take it anymore.
You can only go, you can onlyput up with the nonsense for so
long, and then you're just likeyou know what.
Nothing's worth this.
My future, eternity is notworth this nonsense.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Yep, I'll trade a night of sleep and a good meal
for my future eternity rightabout now.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
Exactly and no nonsense.
Just the lack of nonsense istherapeutic.
Yep Question how can therapistsbetter understand and work with
cult survivors?
You know there's we've theaftermath has found some good
therapists that have helpedpeople when they leave, I think

(01:19:32):
you have to go to a therapistthat deals with that type of
with I don't know how you callit case or person or scenario.
I don't know how you word that,but if you're looking for
somebody, contact the Aftermath,go to theaftermathfoundationorg
.
Go to theaftermathfoundationorgand we know of the therapists

(01:19:54):
that can do that.
I wouldn't be able to tell youwhat the therapist should do.
It's just being knowledgeablein high control groups and cults
.
Um, there are therapists thatare.
That's what they do.
Yep, Thank you.
Woodstock code monkey.
Thank God OSA is incompetent.
I hate to ask, Mike, but whatwould have happened if you were

(01:20:15):
in the c org when you receivedyour cancer diagnosis?

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
um, a pts handling to find out who I was connected to
and then a lot of knotsauditing to find the bts that
were being the cancer that isnot stands for new era for ots
right new era dynamics for forOTs right New Era.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
Dianetics for OTs and that's where you uh, you deal
with the BTs.
Again, people, I do notrecommend this.
It's a giant waste of time.
Get those BTs working for you.
Bts activate as soon as Ifigure out this BT thing and I
get it going.

(01:20:55):
They're going to help me catchfish the next time we go.
Okay, those BTs are going towork for me.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
You got a thumbs up for that.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
I know I did a thumbs up and it did it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
It was like yeah, good job, there you go, yeah,
yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
Those BTs are going to work for me, yep, and they're
going to help me catch somefish.
Uh, emma louise tennyson, uhquestion will the totem totem,
totem totem ham, tottenham,tottenham court road, tottenham
court road scientology shop beshut for the event?
I used to work opposite and wasdefinitely a family who ran the

(01:21:31):
shop, and I'm so intrigued.
Um, this is definitely apostatealex, uh territory, but um, no,
I don't think they would closeit.
They just leave like one or twopeople there?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
Yeah, one or two, in case one of them fell asleep.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
Question how many people do you think will show up
for the IAS event?
I mean, if they get as many asthey want, it's going to be in
the 4,000 to 5,000 range theamount of people that are going
to show up and attend the event.
Not all of those people aregoing to be the whales.
There's going to be a bunch ofwhales there, but probably 4,500

(01:22:09):
of those people are going to bejust bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:22:14):
Yeah, they're going to be.
The staff from all the orgs inEurope, yeah, and the public
that don't have anything else todo with their life, who can
take a few days and catch a busto go to Seattle for 20 euros
and that'll be it.
They will get that number ofpeople and that'll be it.

(01:22:38):
They will get that number ofpeople.
It used to be that they didn'treally have to work very hard to
get that number of people.
Nowadays, they have been workingon this for months and months
and months, and the phone callsand the pressure to confirm
people who are going to be atthe event is, I am sure,

(01:23:00):
absolutely out of this world.
People are probably getting 10phone calls a day to confirm
them that they are going to beat the event.
So they'll fill the place with,or at least make it look like
it's full.
They'll fill the front of it.
They'll fill the front with, orat least make it look like it's
full.
Yeah, they'll fill the front ofit.
They'll fill the front.

(01:23:21):
At the very least they may fillthe whole tent.
And Europe is a pretty sadstate of affairs when it comes

(01:23:44):
to this organization that claims11,000 organizations, groups,
missions, whatever, and millionsof millions all over the world
growing at exponential rates.

Speaker 1 (01:23:52):
I can't believe they're still touting the
millions of members thing.
I'm like they still say this.
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
It's ridiculous.
They spend months scrapingtogether 5,000.
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:24:08):
And they might not even do that Right.
I know that's the scary part.
If they don't even get the5,000,'t even get the 5 000,
it's going to be like, oh boywell you will.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
You'll be able to tell whether there's any reverse
angle shots from the event ohyeah, no, there's not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:25):
That's never a good shot, never even when we would
do events at the shrine.

Speaker 2 (01:24:29):
It's like never never tilt up to the balcony, yeah,
never tilt up to the balcony,never tilt up to the balcony.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
And you go up there.
There's kids running aroundthere with balloons and shit and
you're like, oh shit, go six,go, camera six.
No, don't show that.
Joshua Armenta, the mix I don'tknow how to say that but the
org, the Mexico org, is the newIO, not new building.

(01:24:57):
I don't even know what an IO is.
I-l-o no.
Ideal org, oh, ideal org, notnew building.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
Oh, okay.
Well, there's a few orgs inMexico City.
One maybe they're renovatingthe building that they already
had.
I don't really know.
I don't know.
People in Mexico know betterthan building that they already
had.
I don't really know, I don'tknow.
People in Mexico know betterthan me.

Speaker 1 (01:25:20):
Yeah, sorry I haven't been down there in a while, at
least not to the Org.
Yeah, exactly, we did go to, wedid.
Yeah, I was going to say nottoo much detail there.
Kat Mediats, it makes me sohappy to see that a troll doll
on my shelf.
That troll doll on my shelf Wayto take your power back.

(01:25:41):
Kudos to all of you for doingjust that.
Thank you, kat, we appreciateit.
Yeah, I don't know how Dave'sgoing to react.
What does Osa do about thetroll doll?
That's also just like anotherweird, stupid thing that Osa
should have never let happen.
Maria de Jesus Gutierrez sayswho at gold slash it got sent to
the hole.
Someone asked Sterling if hewas, but I thought he wasn't

(01:26:05):
high ranking enough.
Who was Mike Claire Amy?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
I put a list on my blog at one point, Maria, of
everybody that I could recallthat was in the hole.
I think if you just search holelist, there was more like 140
people.
It was not just it started asexecutives, it ended up being
anybody.

Speaker 1 (01:26:28):
Yeah, and I actually put a list on Operation Clan
Bank back in 2006.
That was one of the posts thatare in the spy files.
Was me listing out all thesepeople who got locked up?
It wasn't really called theHole in 2004.
It was just you went up to CMOAnt and you just never left.

(01:26:48):
It wasn't called the Hole, itwas just called shit.
I'm stuck here for a few days.
We didn't have a name for it,we just knew it sucked and then
later on it became kind of knownas the hole, but um, what's
that then?
it had a sign yeah, then it hada sign only carved wooden sign.

(01:27:08):
Yeah, what is it?
What's the quote?
A hole?
No, I know, I know, but wasn'tthere an l ron hubbard quote
that says, uh, uh.
Jb said there's an l ronhubbard quote that says JB said
there's an L Ron Hubbard quoteonly an individual, when he gets
up to cause or something, candig himself out of the hole that
he's gotten himself in, orsomething like that.
And you're just like, oh really, so you made a place, you call
it the hole, and then you put mein it, but I'm the only one who

(01:27:30):
can causatively get myself outof it.
Yep, amy Scobie.
Oh, she did officer training atthe Freewinds with Matt.
That must be Maddie.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Letta, oh, letta Letty.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
Helt.
Yes, wow, there you go, thankyou, amy.
Yeah, I like Letty.
Donna Rose, is it possible tosee Ben coming slash going to
work?

Speaker 2 (01:27:54):
No, no, they drive buses.
Everybody gets in the bus atthe Hacienda which is behind the
fences, and it's the camerasand the wire and et cetera, et
cetera.
They get driven in and they getoff the bus and go straight
into the building.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
So for those of you who don't know, Ben Ben Rinder
is Mike's son and he works inClearwater.
He did.
I don't know if he still does.
He still does, he still does.

Speaker 2 (01:28:20):
Well, one of the people that was talking to Matt
said well, Ben's no longer achef, he's working in the
engineering division now.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Probably because they don't want people public
interfacing with him in thedining room and being able to
take pictures with him, likepeople have done.
Yes, interfacing with him inthe dining room and being able
to take pictures with him likepeople have done.
Yes, Dr X.
What I have concluded from SPTVis that DM is the one in the
group who does nothing slash,can't get anything done, but
takes the credit when it goesright, blames people when things

(01:28:52):
go to shit seems nothing getsdone when he's in charge.
You got it, you.
I mean you've graduated, that'swhy you're a professor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah, that's it.
This is why you're a professor,Dr X.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
She watched 50 videos and she got.
She's like oh, I get it, I getit.
I see what's going on here.
That is 100%.
He complains the entire timeyou're trying to do work and the
only thing he does is distractyou from the work.
And then, when the work doesn'tget done on time, he gets
someone else to finish it foryou, yells at you that he had to
do it all himself and then, uh,you know, goes up on stage and

(01:29:26):
tells you about what he did andyou're just like I had it.
If you would have just let methat last two percent, I could
have taken it all the way homethere.
Oh, that's awesome.
Maria de Jesus Gutierrez.
Lee Baca is in prison.
That's correct.
Yeah, I forgot to tell you thepunchline of the Lee Baca story.
He was a corrupt sheriff and hewas Scientology's sheriff for

(01:29:50):
many, many years and then heended up going to jail
Ironically, not for theScientology stuff For some other
prison.
What was it there?
It was in the prison system indowntown la corruption right,
unbelievable.
oh, david's here.
Hey, dave, captain, davyhimself, my alter ego, david
miscavige, is the world'sshortest human trafficking cult

(01:30:13):
leader.
Oh gosh.
Well, thank you for that, davidMiscavige.
We appreciate it.
See, that's when you know yougot problems.
Oh, so screenshot this one.
It's even got Dave's headshotin the thumbnail.
I mean, what are we doing here?
This is like this is this iswe're in.
This is some kind of bizarroworld we're in Diane Fry.
Thank you for the super sticker.

(01:30:38):
Laura question have youconsidered putting a flap on
Davy Navy so that we can make itinto a dog toy ourselves?
Make a flap, we can add thesqueaker.
Oh, oh, I see you could call itthe Davy flapper, the Davy
flapper.
You know it's hard to customizethese things when you're trying
to make a lot of them and everytime you add a little thing or

(01:31:00):
add this, or it just drives thecost up.
But we're trying to get themquick and down and dirty and
raise some money for theAftermath Foundation.
So we just made them as simpleas possible.
You know, there wasn't even anyrevisions.
They sent that thing to me andI was like looks great.
And then Claire's like whatabout the hair?
The hair is not even his colorand I was like, okay, we can
adjust the hair.

(01:31:20):
And then they adjusted the hairand it still wasn't the right
color.

Speaker 2 (01:31:27):
I'm like, we're good, okay, the fact that he has a
frumpy butt and he's all weird.
That's what Leah said to me theother day.
She said why didn't you make itwith the big bouffant on top
top?
They kind of come like you know, this is a thing.
Yeah, you get these things fromchina.
I mean, it's like look at hisears easy his ears.

Speaker 1 (01:31:46):
They don't go backwards, they go forward.
It's like they put the ears onbackwards, like you know.
Like like that, they don't flapback, they flap forward.
And I thought, yeah, so so hecan hear better.
I don't know.
You know, like I'm thinking Ithink it's hilarious, it's like
the one it says he's listeningfor all the conspiracy theories.

(01:32:10):
That's right.
He's got to have his ears thisway to be able to hear all the
noise at him.
But it's.
It's a better representationthan the bobblehead they made of
you.
Mine looks mine looks more likehim than their bobblehead does
look like you.
So I was like you know what?
It's good enough, okay, yeahand it's life.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Those of you who don't know, the bobblehead that
they made of me was theinspiration for the bobblehead
that we made, or that Mark madeof me.

Speaker 1 (01:32:42):
Yeah so this bobblehead.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
They made a bobblehead, he's all seen it out
Was intended.
They put it in one of theirstupid videos about how I was
just a yes man for Leah, videosabout how I was just a yes man
for Leah and they had thisbobblehead sitting there

(01:33:05):
supposedly me wearing a cardiganor something.

Speaker 1 (01:33:06):
What was it, mark?
Like a sweater?
Yeah, it was a weird sweaterand I was like Mike.
First of all, mike doesn't wearsweaters.
I've never seen Mike wear asweater and it didn't even look
like Mike.
And I was like, and I askedMike, as soon as they somebody
tweeted or something, oh this iswhat Scientology has up.
And it was a bobblehead goinglike that.
I was like who's that supposedto be?
And they're like.
I was like, oh, that's supposedto be Mike Rinder.
And I thought, oh my God,they're geniuses.
And so then we made this guy andthis looks I mean, that's a

(01:33:29):
pretty good Mike.
You got to say it is prettygood for a Mike Rinder.
And so this whole thing wastheir idea.
They started bobbleheads, whichthen led to fake Navy dolls, so
this is all kind of.
You know, this is Dave.
I guarantee you Dave's the onewho said the bobblehead thing,

(01:33:52):
because that was a severalhundred dollar bobblehead that
somebody won off yeah.
And so Dave said we should makea bobblehead of him and then
we'll shoot the video.
Ha, ha, ha ha.
And now look, it happened, dave.

Speaker 2 (01:34:04):
Yeah, same thing with SPTV.
Okay, we've only got withScientology TV.

Speaker 1 (01:34:09):
That's true, that's true.
Ours is so much better, though.
Their content is trash, lisa.
Their content is trash Lisa,gillespie, gillespie, gillespie.
The look in your eyes, mike,telling the black male double
inside mole program priceless,so nice.
Your sonorous voice, is that aword?
Yeah, sonorous, sonorous voiceand smiling face are back, mark,

(01:34:32):
oh, full of sonic, full ofsound.
Full, full of round, nice soundtonight on smooth hits we bring
you sonorous tv with lloyd surewhat is scientology's obsession

(01:34:59):
with abbreviations?
Holy moly, we don't even getinto it here.
I define most of theabbreviations we use here, but
in Scientology, you can get intoa word sandwich with somebody
and you guys could rattle offhundreds of abbreviations.
They rattle off hundreds ofabbreviations and that's a
high-control group sign whenthey make the language coded and

(01:35:22):
so other people can'tunderstand.
That's a high-control groupsort of scenario.
That is common.
Yep, they make up their ownlanguage and words.
Okay, we've got to hurry up,mark, we've got a lot more to go
.
Doris Azevedo, mike justpurchased your book on Audible
Mark.
We've got to hurry up, mark,we've got a lot more to go.
Doris Azevedo, mike justpurchased your book on Audible
Mark.
You'd is next.
Love you guys.

(01:35:43):
I think you're all socourageous.
Well, thank you, doris.
We appreciate it.
Hope you enjoy the book.
Yes, what is with Scientologyobsession with abbreviations?
We covered that, melissa.
Thank you, king Cobra.
Again.
Mom passed away from the big Cback in 2018 and another five or
so coworkers and acquaintanceshas passed away since then, so
that gives me issues.

(01:36:03):
I understand, king Cobra.
Yeah, well, thank you for that.
We appreciate it.
Sorry, you lost those people tothe big C.
Big C is no fun.
My father also passed from thebig C.
Salty Beach Girl Lori Finallyblah, blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:21):
Did you rip out a blah blah blah?
You missed it.
And I did it very slowly too, Imissed it totally Blah blah
blah.
Not blah blah, blah, a blahblah blah.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Mark, buy some SPF sunscreen.
It's for SPs, right, mike,Exactly.
To tell you the truth, I didnot think I was going to get any
sun, it was just.
It was a kind of a.
It's been very cold here latelyand it just got really hot just
today.
Kenny the editor, mike, I'mcurious about the balls the
Guardian's office had byinfiltrating the government,

(01:36:57):
especially that this allhappened right after or during
watergate.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
Yes, you're exactly right, I mean, but realize that
those people, and scientologistsin general, believe that
they're just doing what ron saidto do and it doesn't it.
It's like it's not a matter ofwhether you're you've got balls

(01:37:21):
or not, it's just a matter of,hey, he said to do it, so we do
it, yeah, and it's like it hasto be done robotically,
idiotically, um, unthinking.
There's no thought that goesinto these things.
It's just there's no thoughtthat goes into these things.
It's just Ron said this is whatwe need to do, so we're doing
it.
It's a blindfold.

Speaker 1 (01:37:42):
It'll all be okay, blindfully following whatever
they say to you.
That's the scary part of OSA isthat if Dave says to do
something, it's going to getdone.
They're either going to do itthemselves.
The only difference now betweenOSA and the Guardian's office
is that the Guardian's office,they did the deeds themselves,
like Scientologists did thedeeds.

(01:38:05):
The OSA, they direct the deedsand they get private
investigators or lawyers orhenchmen or shady cats or
hackers.
They have cutouts doing thestuff.
So if somebody gets lit up theguy that hacked Mike Rinder and
Tony Ortega he went to jail buthe didn't give up.

(01:38:27):
Who hired him?
But he went to jail.
In your opinion, how does littleDM Napoleon work?
His weird ugly Work his weirdugly?
I don't know what that means.
I'm sorry, lisa, but I don'tknow what that means.
If that's code for something, Idefinitely don't know what it

(01:38:47):
means and I don't know how heworks his weird ugly.
David Miscavige is kind of anenigma, I think.
I personally.
He makes even when you're thereand you're doing stuff and
you're trying to get stuff done,he makes sometimes the worst
possible decision at the worstpossible time and somehow he

(01:39:09):
makes sense of it all and you'rejust sitting there like we just
wasted four million dollars.
I'm not sure how you're goingto make this come out in your
head like you did somethingright.
This was a giant disaster.
Yep, diana B.
Hey Osa, who see this?
Come on.
Oh my God, diana, if you'regoing to do it, you got to like
just take an extra second.

(01:39:29):
I don't know what that says.
Hey Osa, who sees this?
Come on, we out.
We here for you.
Come on out, we're here for you.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
There you go.
Hey Osa, anybody who sees this,come on out, we're here for you
.

Speaker 1 (01:39:40):
There you go.
Diane B.
Diana B, mike is your whisperer.
Okay, thank you.
Yeah, osa.
Thank you, diana.
Sorry I butchered that.
Did Lisa Marie live inScientology's sponsored house
when she lived in England?
No, no, thank you for that,Kathy.
Lisa Marie had dough.

(01:40:01):
She could afford a house there.
I think she actually.
Yeah, I'm not going to sayanything more because I don't
know what I know and how I knowit, dave Wheelhauer.
Mike, did you consider going toSweeney for help?

Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
No, I didn't.
I went to my old friends,ex-members that were already out
.
Tom and Biddy and Ronnie andSarah and Jim and all those guys
.
And then, interestingly, I didgo to Sweeney eventually, but

(01:40:38):
not for help but to sort of makegood for what I had done on the
previous show.
Williamsburg, virginia, and Iwas selling cars there at a
Toyota dealership and theproducer of John Sweeney's

(01:41:01):
segment, sarah Mull, showed upat the car dealership to talk to
me out of the blue.
She flew all the way fromEngland to come and ask me if I
would now do.
She heard that I had left it.
She tracked me down If I wouldnow do an interview with them
and I said, sarah, I'm not ready, but when I am ready you will

(01:41:23):
be the first person that I cometo and I did, and there is a
second panorama Scientology and.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
I use the intro clip from for his channel introduced
many of my videos.
Anyway, yeah, that's anotherthing which which I was thinking
about when we were talkingabout that earlier.
Not only did you not handleSweeney, but you were on the
second show he did.

Speaker 2 (01:41:47):
How did?

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
that's a David.
That's what that entirescenario was created by David
Miscavige, personally, right.
The reason Mike is here isbecause of David Miscavage.
Personally, right, the reasonmike is here is because of david
mizcavage.
The reason I am here is becauseof david mizcavage and claire
and the reason claire's here isbecause, and christy, all these
people, david, mizcavage didsomething.
Yeah, he did something and, andthere was a chain reaction and

(01:42:12):
it caused us to leave.
However, we left, and in inmost cases, we were slaying it,
like in terms of his lieutenants.
We were top shelf and so whenwe left, there was not another
person to fill that hole, andthat's what's happening right
now is David Miscavige ischasing off all of his loyal

(01:42:32):
lieutenants, one by one over theyears, and those people are now
going.
Oh, I'm not what DavidMiscavige said.
I was, and now it's causingproblems for David Miscavige.
Who could Rathbun possibly belife coaching, though?
That is a very good question,honey bunny, and I'm not sure

(01:42:53):
that Marty even knows the answerto that question.

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
Well, maybe we'll do a little program about that.

Speaker 1 (01:42:59):
Yeah, we'll get back to you on that one.
We'll get back to you.
We haven't seen any of thesuccess stories coming out of
the Wrathbone life coachingseminars yet.
Eight points of OutRFactor.
Thank you for the super sticker.
Eight points of OutRFactor.
That's so bizarre of a name.
Fat cat's heaven.

(01:43:19):
I was in the rpf in 82.
Are there c org who never getsent?
I've never.
I've never been to the rpf, um,but I was about to go when I
got got, when I got out of dodgeI said I'm gtfo and out of here
.
Um, I was on my way to the rpf.
This is t T Roosh.
You skipped my other super chat.

(01:43:41):
I have not skipped a singlesuper chat, and I even actually
remember reading yours, mrs TRoosh, because I struggled over,
was it, mrs T?
Mr T's, mrs T Roosh?
And I did rush, rush, and Mikecorrected me the last time too.
So there you go.
Thank you for that.
You could have just asked thesame question, but I'm pretty

(01:44:02):
sure we covered that.
Tassie devil.
Here we go, mark, you getsunburned from the reflection
off the water, even if it's cold.
But then you grew up in a cult.
Yeah, I know, I figured thatout today.
I'm not a fisherman.
Okay, I'm not a fisherman.
Okay, I'm not doing a lot.
This fishing thing is new.
Yeah, well, because I don't.

(01:44:23):
I'm not doing a lot of watersports these days.
Um, you used to do jet skiingall the time I did, yeah, but I
wasn't, but I was tan and Iwouldn't get burned.
I would just be just dark, dark, dark, dark, dark.
Okay, oh, my god davy's backagain.
David Miscavige, my alter ego.
David may very well be aschizophrenic with borderline
personality disorder.
He clearly needs psychiatricmedications.

Speaker 2 (01:44:43):
Yeah, big Pharma needs to step in to give him a
hand.

Speaker 1 (01:44:47):
That's also very funny.
When I first left and I foundout L Ron Hubbard passed away
with psychiatric medicine in him, I was like, oh my goodness,
that's the biggest hypocrite inthe world.
Salty Beach Girl Lori says mindblown, my son goes to college
in Williamsburg.
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
William and Mary College.
Probably, probably, it's thebig one there.
It's really beautiful.
It's a beautiful campus, one ofthe oldest universities in the
United States.
Mark's famous Christy Colbran.
Mark's max famous saying I'mnot a scientist that's right,
I'm not a scientist.

Speaker 1 (01:45:23):
Yeah, I used to say that for a long time, like if
somebody said something like hey, you can't put uh, you can't
put bleach with soap, you'regonna make mustard gas.
But what do I know?
Take it easy there.
Okay, I'm just trying to cleana sink here.
There's some bleach in thereand there's some soap in there.
I'm sorry, I didn't try to bombeverybody out.
Um, that's right, I remember Iused to say that all the time.

(01:45:45):
I should bring that back.

Speaker 2 (01:45:46):
I used to bring that back.
Yeah, that's a good one, I likethat.

Speaker 1 (01:45:53):
I love that christy remembers that I'm not a
scientist um okay, I have a lotof advice here.

Speaker 2 (01:45:59):
Tip put sunscreen in the tackle box.
I love that Christy remembersthat I'm not a scientist.
Oh, you've got a lot of advicehere.
Tip put sunscreen in the tacklebox.

Speaker 1 (01:46:05):
Just don't use it to put on the hook.
Yeah, you know what's thesilliest part of that?
We had sunscreen.
We had it.
It was in the bag with theother stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:46:14):
I just, we were just having fun.
Salty Beach Girl Lurie yeah,Second oldest behind Harvard
chartered by the King of Englandthere you go, look at that, see
, I know my shit aboutWilliamsburg man.

Speaker 1 (01:46:24):
Mike knows a lot about a lot of things.
When we go places he'd be likeoh yeah, we're down here and
over here on K Street.
And then he's just like, oh myGod, how do you know all this?
Thank you for that salty beachgirl.
Um, I think that's it.
We got all the uh super chats.
Um, let's take care of some uhhousekeeping here before we uh,
before we tie a bow on thisthing um no housekeeping, what

(01:46:48):
I'm done.

Speaker 2 (01:46:48):
I'm done with my chores for today, um I did the
dishes mark bunker.

Speaker 1 (01:46:54):
mark bunker is running for clearwater city
council and Scientology aregoing to do everything in their
power to make sure that hedoesn't win, and so we are
really trying to make sure thatwhatever we can do to support
Mark Bunker.

Speaker 2 (01:47:13):
I like that little thing.
How show you the way?

Speaker 1 (01:47:17):
Anyway, if you go to MarkBunker2024.com, you can
donate to his campaign.
You can donate from anywhere inthe United States.
As far as I know, I think thereis a limit of $1,000 per person
, per company, per organizationor whatever that can donate.
But if you can throw him $20,if you can throw him $5, if you
can throw them $50, whatever,we've got to get the word out

(01:47:38):
and make sure that every singlepossible person votes.
Clearwater is sort of all theseplaces they open up all over the
world.
They don't mean anything reallyto Scientology.
Scientology doesn't care aboutthem.
Scientology doesn't care whathappens in Buffalo, they don't
care what happens in Mexico,they don't care what happens in
any of those places.
The place they care about isClearwater and that's why
they've been trying to runeverybody out of downtown

(01:48:00):
Clearwater for all these years.
It's because they just wanttheir little island there and
they want to be able to bringScientologists there and have a
perfect experience for theScientologists that come there.
Who spends millions andmillions of dollars.
So the fact that they can't getanybody on that city council to
do exactly what they want themto do is sort of a big deal, and

(01:48:21):
Mark Bunker is pretty much oneof the main reasons why they're
not allowed to get away with alot really down in Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (01:48:29):
He is absolutely unafraid and he doesn't play it
for jokes.
He's not there doing a shtick.
He is absolutely serious aboutmaking sure that Scientology's

(01:48:50):
malevolent influence over thecity of Clearwater does not go
unchecked.
Clearwater does not gounchecked and he is basically
the only reason, apart from theSt Tampa Bay Times and Tracy
McManus that that happens.
And it's really important thathe stay on the city council
because, even though he's onlyone voice, that voice being

(01:49:12):
raised makes a difference,because it shames the other
people or or exposes the otherpeople to not be able to just
quietly roll over and play dead.
Because he makes it clear thisis what's really going on here
and if you go and agree withthis then you are selling your

(01:49:37):
soul to the devil.
And without that voice thisstuff just goes on under the rug
, sneaking around kind of stuff,and he brings it to everybody's
attention.
So he is absolutely invaluableto the city of Clearwater.
I cannot stress it enough.
He must get reelected.

(01:49:58):
He must remain the voice of youknow, the only voice who will
speak up about what's reallygoing on in Clearwater vis-a-vis
Scientology.

Speaker 1 (01:50:12):
Yeah, he also makes it very uncomfortable for those
other council members to playnice with scientology, because
they know they're going to getcalled out for it.
They 100 know if they do anyunderhanded or any backroom
deals, it's going to get foundout and mark will bring it up.
I mean he brought up one with avideo that we did with rosemary
.
I know he brought it up at thecity council meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:50:36):
I was like ouch, I was just saying, you know, yeah,
whatever, he is a vital, vitalpart of Clearwater surviving
Scientology.
Yeah, literally.
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
If you, if you oh, we don't have any merch, I don't
have any merch.
If you want one of these reallycool Hail Xenu mugs or any
other SPTV merch, you can go tothe Blown for Good store.
The link is in the descriptionbelow.
And if you want to get a copyof my book Blown for Good Behind
the Iron Curtain of Scientology, you can also get that at the
merch store.
Or you can also get that at themerch store, or you can go to

(01:51:17):
blownforgoodcom, and all copiesthat we send out are signed by
myself and my wife, claire,who's also here on sp tv and
videos on this channel all thetime.
And, um, yeah, lastly,bobbleheads and sp bracelets can
be gotten also at the spshopcom and that is also where
this little captain what do wecall?

(01:51:38):
There's a captain, fake navydavy, fake navy davy, uh,
captain chucklesworth is one ofthe favorites, um, but you can
also get this little guy.
All the proceeds from the saleof the bobbleheads, the sp
bracelets or fake davy davies,um, all the proceeds of those go
to support the AftermathFoundation and that helps people

(01:52:03):
leave Scientology.
And you can support theAftermath Foundation by going to
theaftermathfoundationorg, andwe are getting so much traffic
to the Aftermath website thesedays people asking for
assistance, people volunteering,people just getting on the
mailing list just to.
If we say what's happening orwe announce somebody that we
helped or a video that we did,you get notified.
So you don't have to payanything to join that list and

(01:52:28):
we'll keep you up to date onwhat we're doing over there.
I think that's it, mike.
I can't you know.
I got so good at this I don'teven know how to turn it off.
Oh, there we go.
Did I forget?

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
anything.
You didn't have to show me thatone.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Yeah, oh, like and subscribe all that Yahoo, blah,
blah, blah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:49):
Like, subscribe.
Well, that's blah blah blah forhis channel, not for mine.
Mine is not blah blah blah.
Like and subscribe to mychannel Click blah blah, blah,
blah.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Click all the buttons , hit the things, hit the knobs.
Oh, you know, I figured out howto do this the other day and
now, oh, here it is.
Look.
So, claire, doesn't there's?
You can do.
Um, you can do like differenteffects and stuff in your videos
and um, so, like when I likewhen I did that little thumb
thing, it'll do it when you dothis.

(01:53:19):
I don't know how to make thedifferent things do it, but I
figured out there's a placewhere I can just make them do
them whatever I want.
I don't have to say anything ordo anything and it'll just do
these random things.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
You look like a teenager when you do that shit.
Yeah, I don't.
It's literally built in tosomething.

Speaker 1 (01:53:42):
I don't know, even know what it's built into, um,
anyway.
But um, that's enough messingaround for today.
Guys, thanks for joining us,thanks for watching uh, the
video all the way to the end andum, we're going to.
We've got spy files coming up.
We got, uh, got Scientologyfilm reviews coming up.
There's so much happening inthe world of SPTV that we're

(01:54:04):
actually having to figure outwho's going to do what, because
we have too many things to cover, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:54:11):
And we've got the whole Aftermath fundraiser
coming in.
Boy, do we have a lot of stufffor that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:24):
Oh my God, we have so much stuff in store guys.
So if you want to know whenthat stuff happens and sometimes
, like Mike and I, we're doingother stuff, so we can't just do
a willy nilly video whenever wewant we got to kind of have to
a few days ahead.
We got to say, hey, we got todo it this time at this day, um,
but we have so many videos thatif we, if we have a little
pocket where we can go on, wemight just, on the spur of the
moment, do a live.
If you want to know.

(01:54:45):
You got to click the bellnotification and subscribe.
It doesn't cost anything, it'sfree.
I don't know how to explainthis.
It doesn't cost anything.
You just say subscribe andthere are no credit cards,
nothing, just.

Speaker 2 (01:54:58):
And we don't do them that often that you're going to
get harassed constantly withdinging on your phone.

Speaker 1 (01:55:03):
Yeah, mike's putting out maybe two or three videos a
week on his channel.
I'm putting out maybe two orthree videos a week on my
channel.
It's not that many.
Come on, hit the subscribe, hitthe like, don't be dumb, give
me some.
Anyway, thanks for joining ustoday, mike.
We appreciate it Okay buddy.
Okay, let's get it, let's getan outro here.

(01:55:23):
Bye guys, until next time.
Thanks for watching.
If you'd like to help supportthe channel, feel free to check
out the merch store link in thedescription.
We have Hail Xenu Xenu is myhomeboy and BFG branded mouse
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us to bring you new content ona regular basis.

(01:55:44):
You can also pick up a copy ofmy book Blown for Good Behind
the Iron Curtain of Scientologyin hardback, kindle and audible
versions as well.
There's also a link to ourpodcast podcast and you can get
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And if you'd like to watchanother video, you can click on

(01:56:05):
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Thanks a lot, until next time.

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